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Hey friends! Here's issue 2 of Deceptive Minds: a newsletter about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it.

 Hey listeners, Perry Carpenter here. Yeah, it's been a while since I've posted this feed, but I've got something exciting that I think you'll be interested in. It's the audio version of a newsletter that I recently started. The newsletter is called Deceptive Minds, and it's all about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it. In other words, t's the exact right newsletter for the 8th Layer Insights audience. So for the next little bit at least, I'm going to post these audio newsletters into the 8Li feed -- exactly where you are right now. We'll see if it grows into something else or if it fades into oblivion. But regardless, I hope you enjoy it while it's here. So with that, let's get to episode one, or I guess I should call it issue number one of Deceptive Minds, the audio newsletter, if you're interested in the print version, it's a LinkedIn newsletter and you can also subscribe on my new website, The Deception Project, at https://thedeceptionproject.com. So, regardless of your format of choice, unless you wanna see my face reading this on video, you can get the audio version right here or. Or you can read the print version on LinkedIn or in an email that will make its way to your inbox and hopefully not to your spam filter. With that, let's go ahead and get to issue number one. Thanks! Perry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of 2024. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. In our holiday episode, Mason opens a rather unique Christmas present from Perry, we invite a special guest to help explain the infamous "Paperclip Maximizer" thought experiment, and we discuss an interesting (and somewhat disturbing) new AI Safety paper from Apollo Research. Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cThqEnMhJz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** An interesting cluster of new AI safety research papers: Apollo research: Frontier Models are Capable of In-context Scheming (Dec 5, 2024) YouTube Video: Apollo Research - AI Models Are Capable Of In Context Scheming Dec 2024 YouTube Video: Cognitive Revolution - Emergency Pod: o1 Schemes Against Users, with Alexander Meinke from Apollo Research OpenAI o1 System Card (Dec 5, 2024) Anthropic: Alignment Faking in Large Language Models (Dec 18, 2024) Anthropic: Sycophancy to subterfuge: Investigating reward tampering in language models (June 17, 2024) Fudan University: Frontier AI systems have surpassed the self-replicating red line (Dec 9, 2024) Other Interesting Bits: The Paperclip Maximizer thought experiment explanation Theory of Instrumental Convergence iPhone Game: Universal Paperclips VoxEU: AI and the paperclip problem Real Paperclips! 500 Pack Paper Clips (assorted sizes) OpenAI Announces New o3 Reasoning Model: OpenAI's "12 Days of Ship-mas" announcement page YouTube video: OpenAI's announcement of their o3 Model TechCrunch: OpenAI announces new o3 models Wired: OpenAI Upgrades Its Smartest AI Model With Improved Reasoning Skills TechCrunch: OpenAI trained o1 and o3 to ‘think' about its safety policy Matthew Berman YouTube video: OpenAI Unveils o3! AGI ACHIEVED! NewScientist: OpenAI's o3 model aced a test of AI reasoning – but it's still not AGI Yahoo Finance: OpenAI considers AGI clause removal for Microsoft investment *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm  Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com

Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. Warning: today's episode gets a bit dark as we chat with seasoned prosecutor and founder of Operation Shamrock, Erin West, about a devastating combination of attacks known as "Pig Butchering" scams. We go deep into how they work and what we can do about them. Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cThqEnMhJz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** Learn more about Erin West Erin's LinkedIn Profile Operation Shamrock Pig Butchering Scams: CNN Story featuring Erin West: Killed by a scam: A father took his life after losing his savings to international criminal gangs. He's not the only one CNN Story: Hear how this man lost $1M in a 'pig butchering' crypto scam CNN Story: Myanmar-based gangs force trafficking victims to scam Americans online YouTube video: John Oliver episode FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) Ok, doomer! Let's talk P(doom): NY Times article: Silicon Valley Confronts a Grim New A.I. Metric FastCompany article: P(doom) is AI's latest apocalypse metric. Here's how to calculate your score Wikipedia Entry PauseAI P(doom) records *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm  Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com

Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to The FAIK Files--- the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense! In this week's episode: Mason shares how ChatGPT became an unexpected hero in solving his home networking and studio challenges Perry dives into the mysterious case of "David Mayer" and how a simple ChatGPT privacy patch sparked widespread conspiracy theories We explore Tencent's bold entry into AI video generation with their open-source HunyuanVideo model And in our AI Dumpster Fire of the Week, we unpack the drama surrounding leaks of multiple models from OpenAI Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cU7wepaz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** The ChatGPT Privacy Patch Conspiracy: TechCrunch: Why does the name 'David Mayer' crash ChatGPT? OpenAI says privacy tool went rogue FastCompany: The Internet is Freaking Out Because ChatGPT Won't Say the Name "David Mayer" USA Today: Why won't ChatGPT acknowledge the name David Mayer? Internet users uncover mystery YouTube: Solved: Why ChatGPT Will Not Say "David Mayer" The Decoder: New York Times writer exposes how AI models can be fooled by invisible text on websites NYT: How Do You Change a Chatbot's Mind? Tencent's HunyuanVideo Release: The Decoder: Tencent introduces open source video generator HunyuanVideo and challenges Sora TechNode: Tencent launches and open-sources Hunyuan video-generation model YouTube: New AI Video Model Storms Onto The Scene! HuggingFace: HunyuanVideo Official Model Page Research paper about text based sound generation for videos. SonicVisionLM: Playing Sound with Vision Language Models AI Dumpster Fire of the Week (The Sora Leak): TechCrunch: OpenAI's Sora video generator appears to have leaked Washington Post: OpenAI hits pause on video model Sora after artists leak access in protest Tom's Guide: OpenAI's o1 model leaked on Friday and it is wild — here's what happened Leopold Aschenbrenner: SITUATIONAL AWARENESS: The Decade Ahead Additional Sora leak from internal preview *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm  Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com

Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to The FAIK Files— the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense! In this week's episode: Mason has an update on last week's shocking story of Google Gemini's alleged threats against a user. Is this a glitch, a hack, or something more sinister? We sit down with cybersecurity expert Justin “Hutch” Hutchins (author of The Language of Deception) to dive into his experience weaponizing large language models and what it means for the future of AI. And finally, we lighten things up with some fun AI music experiments, showing that Perry & Mason may have too much time on their hands, Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cU7wepaz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** Hutch's stuff: Justin's Book: The Language of Deception: Weaponizing Next Generation AI AI podcast: The Frontier Today (Apple Podcasts) (Spotify) Justin and Len Noe's podcast: Cyber Cognition (Apple Podcasts) (Spotify) RSA Conference talk: Autonomous Hacking Systems - Future Risk or FUD Houston Security Conference talk: This is how we lose control - Focused on the catastrophic/societal risks - P(Doom) Mason's update on theories about Google Gemini threatening people: AI Didn't Threaten Humanity—The Media Did: Breaking Down the Gemini Incident LLM Context Windows Lost in the Middle: How Language Models Use Long Contexts Attention Sorting Combats Recency Bias in Long Context Large Language Models Cognitive Overload Attack: Prompt Injection for Long Context Suno and Generative AI Music Generation: Suno Udio Whispers in the Static (full song generated on Suno) Experimental outro from today's episode (Suno) Wired: US Record Labels Sue AI Music Generators Suno and Udio for Copyright Infringement Soundiiz Blog: The music industry is at war against AI: Suno and Udio's case *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm  Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com

Note: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Happy FAIKs-giving everyone! Welcome to the newly renovated and relaunched FAIK Files podcast. On this week's episode, Perry & Mason cover Anthropic's recent hiring of an employee focused on AI well-being, an AI grandmother from hell (for scammers), and Google's Gemini chatbot allegedly tells a user what it really thinks of them. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK You can also join our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/cU7wepaz *** NOTES AND REFERENCES *** AI Wellbeing: Anthropic has hired an 'AI welfare' researcher:https://www.transformernews.ai/p/anthropic-ai-welfare-researcher It's time to take AI welfare seriously: https://www.transformernews.ai/p/ai-welfare-paper Taking AI Welfare Seriously: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2411.00986  The problem of sycophancy in AI: Suckup software: How sycophancy threatens the future of AI: https://www.freethink.com/robots-ai/ai-sycophancy  Towards Understanding Sycophancy in Language Models:https://arxiv.org/pdf/2310.13548 AI Interpretability: Mapping the Mind of a Large Language Model: https://www.anthropic.com/news/mapping-mind-language-model  Lex Fridman podcast interview with Dario Amodei, Amanda Askell, & Chris Olah: https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4  Deceptive and self-serving tendencies in AI systems: Sycophancy to subterfuge: Investigating reward tampering in language models: https://www.anthropic.com/research/reward-tampering  OpenAI o1 System Card: https://openai.com/index/openai-o1-system-card/ Announcing our updated Responsible Scaling Policy: https://www.anthropic.com/news/announcing-our-updated-responsible-scaling-policy AI Grandmother from Hell (for scammers): Phone network employs AI "grandmother" to waste scammers' time with meandering conversations: https://www.techspot.com/news/105571-phone-network-employs-ai-grandmother-waste-scammers-time.html YouTube video of Daisy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_SdCfZ-0s AI Dumpster Fire of the Week (Gemini tells an end user what it really thinks about him): Article: https://people.com/ai-chatbot-alarms-user-with-unsettling-message-human-please-die-8746112 Gemini interaction: https://gemini.google.com/share/6d141b742a13 *** THE BOILERPLATE *** About The FAIK Files: The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get the Book: FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions (Amazon Associates link) Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Check out Perry & Mason's other show, the Digital Folklore Podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-folklore/id1657374458 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2v1BelkrbSRSkHEP4cYffj?si=u4XTTY4pR4qEqh5zMNSVQA Other: https://digitalfolklore.fm  Want to connect with us? Here's how: Connect with Perry: Perry on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/perrycarpenter Perry on X: https://x.com/perrycarpenter Perry on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/perrycarpenter.bsky.social Connect with Mason: Mason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-amadeus-a853a7242/ Mason on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/pregnantsonic.com

This is Part Three of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com Voice credits for the opening "Whispers from the Static": Kayla Temshiv  This is the last episode we are publishing in this feed. If you enjoy The FAIK Files, be sure to follow the show's feed so you don't miss out on future episodes. Links to the show: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-faik-files-decoding-ai-deception/id1771521321 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7CGEktxUQAbgwQaWB922Ip?si=9-NazIazRgKCDXudoGwAdQ All others: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2409237

This is Part Two of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.  Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com We'll be posting episodes 1 through 3 on this feed. If you enjoy The FAIK Files, be sure to follow the show's feed so you don't miss out on future episodes. Links to the show: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-faik-files-decoding-ai-deception/id1771521321 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7CGEktxUQAbgwQaWB922Ip?si=9-NazIazRgKCDXudoGwAdQ All others: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2409237

This is Part One of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.  Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Check out the website for more info: https://thisbookisfaik.com We'll be posting episodes 1 through 3 on this feed. If you enjoy The FAIK Files, be sure to follow the show's feed so you don't miss out on future episodes. Links to the show: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-faik-files-decoding-ai-deception/id1771521321 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7CGEktxUQAbgwQaWB922Ip?si=9-NazIazRgKCDXudoGwAdQ All others: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2409237

In this conversation, Perry sits down with Dr. Bilyana Lilly to discuss her new book Digital Mindhunters (Coming Oct 30) and the intersection of cybersecurity, disinformation, and AI. She describes the narrative structure of her book, navigating a world of cyber threats and influence operations, and the evolving landscape of disinformation with AI amplifying threats. Dr. Lilly emphasizes the importance of awareness and education in combating misinformation and highlights the global threats posed by countries like Russia and China. Guests: Dr. Bilyana Lilly (LinkedIn) (Twitter) References: Digital Mindhunters, by Dr. Bilyana Lilly (Amazon Associates Link) EU vs. Disinfo website International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN) Code of Principles Quote Origin: A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes SE Community John Henry competition (where Perry's AI bot was able to compete!) [PROVED] Unsuspecting Call Recipients Are Super Vulnerable to AI Vishing Perry's LinkedIn post talking about the competition results Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

In this episode, Perry catches-up with Stephanie (Snow) & JC Carruthers. They talk about social engineering, the DEFCON Social Engineering Community / Village, and share their favorite (and most embarrassing) social engineering stories. Perry also gives a quick update on his recent exploits entering an AI chatbot into the Social Engineering Village CTF, speaking at the DEFCON AI Village, and the release of his new book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Guests: Stephanie (Snow) Carruthers: (LinkedIn) (Twitter) JC Carruthers: (LinkedIn) (Twitter) References: Social Engineering Community website SE Community twitter page SE Community John Henry competition (where Perry's AI bot was able to compete!) [PROVED] Unsuspecting Call Recipients Are Super Vulnerable to AI Vishing Perry's LinkedIn post talking about the competition results Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Ed Skoudis to discuss the simplicity and complexities of cybersecurity ethics. Ed's new book is The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity. Guest: Ed Skoudis (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity, by Paul J. Maurer and Ed Skoudis The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel: Genius, Power, and Deception on the Eve of World War I, by Douglas Brunt The Cybersecurity Code (downloadable): https://www.montreat.edu/cybersecurity-code/ The Code of Honor book page YouTube Video: Inside SANS Holiday Hack Challenge 2023 | Host: Ed Skoudis | August 29, 2023 Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Jon Gillham. Jon is the founder and CEO of Originality.ai -- an AI content detection platform designed to help website owners, content marketers, writers and publishers hit 'publish' with integrity in the world of generative AI. In this interview, we get the lowdown on how AI content detection works, what it is good at, and where some of the current limits are. Guest: Jon Gillham (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: AI Content Detector Accuracy Review + Open Source Dataset and Research Tool, Originality.ai blog post Is Using AI Tools the Same as Plagiarizing? A Legal Perspective, Originality.ai blog post Empirical Study of AI-Generated Text Detection — Results as per An Empirical Study of AI-Generated Text Detection Tools, Originality.ai blog post A Survey on LLM-Generated Text Detection: Necessity, Methods, and Future Directions LLM-as-a-Coauthor: The Challenges of Detecting LLM-Human Mixcase Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with investigative journalist, author, and podcaster, Geoff White. They discuss Geoff's new book, "Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks", the state of global cybercrime, and (everybody's favorite topic) artificial intelligence. Guest: Geoff White (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Books and References: Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks, by Geoff White RinsedGPT -- Generative AI questions/answers from the book, Rinsed The Lazarus Heist: Based on the hit podcast, by Geoff White Crime Dot Com: From Viruses to Vote Rigging, How Hacking Went Global, by Geoff White The Lazarus Heist podcast (BBC) YouTube video: Three Key Types of Cybercriminals, by Geoff White Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

In this episode, Perry sits down with award winning cybersecurity author, George Finney to discuss his recent book, Project Zero Trust. This is a broad discussion that hits on the concepts of Zero Trust, George's approach to writing the book, his passion for storytelling, and much more. Guest: George Finney (LinkedIn) (Website) Books and References: Project Zero Trust: A Story about a Strategy for Aligning Security and the Business, by George Finney Well Aware: Master the Nine Cybersecurity Habits to Protect Your Future, by George Finney The history and evolution of zero-trust security, TechTarget Wikipedia: Zero Trust Security Model Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

In this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits. Guest: Rachel Tobac (LinkedIn) (Twitter / X) (Website) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): KB4-CON 2024 Main Stage Sessions (Registration required) Deepfake scammer walks off with $25 million in first-of-its-kind AI heist, Ars Technica The Social Engineer's Playbook: A Practical Guide to Pretexting, by Jeremiah Talamantes The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security, by Kevin Mitnick YouTube video: 60 minutes Here's how I used AI to clone a 60 Minutes correspondent's voice to trick a colleague YouTube video: It Was Easy to Hack a Billionaire YouTube video: Inside the Mind of an Ethical Hacker Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models. Guest: Dr. Matthew Canham (LinkedIn) (Website) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel Cognitive Security Institute website YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of Human Exploitation by AI Assistants YouTube video: NEW AI Jailbreak Method SHATTERS GPT4, Claude, Gemini, LLaMA Not with a Bug, But with a Sticker: Attacks on Machine Learning Systems and What To Do About Them, by Ram Shankar Siva Kumar & Hyrum Anderson Six Thinking Hats, the de Bono Group Six Thinking Hats: Looking at Decision in Different Ways, MindTools AI + Six Thinking Hats, LifeArchitect.ai 8Li Season 4, episode 10: Artificial Intelligence Insights & Oddities Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world. Guest: Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022], Jeremy Treadwell YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy Treadwell The Institute for the Future website Four Questions to Turn Everyone in Your Company Into a Futurist, FastCompany article How Does a Futurist See the Future, LinkedIn Article by Jacob Morgan The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: "On Robustness and Fragility", by Nassim Nicholas Taleb The Gray Rhino: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore, by Michele Wucker William Gibson's Future Is Now, Pagan Kennedy, the New York Times 8Li Season 1, episode 8: The Risk Episode: Black Swans, Grey Rhinos, Angels & Demons Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Welcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights! To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer. Guest: Kerry Tomlinson (LinkedIn) (Website) (YouTube) Books and References: YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams National Cybersecurity Alliance : Romance Scams Resource Kit Federal Trade Commission: Romance scammers' favorite lies exposed Know Your Meme: On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're A Dog ‘NOBODY KNOWS YOU'RE A DOG': As iconic Internet cartoon turns 20, creator Peter Steiner knows the joke rings as relevant as ever Wikipedia: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief. Guests: Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks (LinkedIn) (Website) Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Lev Gorelov, Research Director at Handshake Consulting (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Resources Interview with the AI, part one, by the Brandon Karpf / the CyberWire 'Hard Fork': An Interview With Sam Altman, by The New York Times The Exciting, Perilous Journey Toward AGI, Ilya Sutskever TED Talk Ilya: the AI scientist shaping the world, by The Guardian Meet Loab, the AI Art Woman Haunting the Internet: Is she a demon? A Cryptid? Or nothing at all..., the Guardian In 2016, Microsoft's Racist Chatbot Revealed the Dangers of Online Conversation The bot learned language from people on Twitter—but it also learned values, IEEE Spectrum Perry's Digital Folklore episode about AI Handshake's Generative AI Masterclass on Maven Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news. Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Let's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade. In this episode, we explore a few of the positives and some of the unintended consequences associated with recent technological advancements. We'll hear from Dr. Lydia, Kostopoulos, Dr. Charles Chaffin, Andra Zaharia, and Aaron Barr. Guests: Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos (LinkedIn) (Website) Dr. Charles Chaffin (LinkedIn) (Website) Andra Zaharia (LinkedIn) (Website) Aaron Barr (LinkedIn) (Website) Books and Resources: IEEE Article: Decoupling Human Characteristics from Algorithmic Capabilities by Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos Numb: How the Information Age Dulls Our Senses and How We Can Get them Back by Dr. Charles Chaffin (Amazon Associate Links) The Numb Podcast by Dr. Charles Chaffin The Cyber Empathy Podcast by Andra Zaharia Reminder: Your 'smart AI' often involves a low-paid contractor surveilling you How creepy is your smart speaker? Newton's Laws of Motion Unintended Consequences Elon Musk's warning regarding AI Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter (Amazon Associate Link) Everything is Alive podcast by PRX and Radiotopia Production Credits: Additional voice talent provided by Kristina Leigh. Additional research by Nyla Gennaoui. Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: hello [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On today's show, Perry sits down with Rick Howard to discuss Rick's new book and the concept of "First Principles" as they apply in the domain of cybersecurity. Rick Howard is the CSO of N2K and the Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at the N2K Cyber, formerly CyberWire. His past lives include CSO at Palo Alto Networks, CISO at TASC, the GM at Verisign/iDefense, the Counterpane SOC Director, and the Commander of the Army's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT). Rick served 25 years in the Army, taught computer science at West Point, and recently published , "Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics." Guest: Rick Howard (LinkedIn) Rick's book, podcasts, and other stuff Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics (Amazon Associate link) Promo video for Rick's Cybersecurity First Principles video course CSO Perspectives Podcast Word Notes Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news. Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

If you've been listening to this show for a while, you'll know that we've touched on the topic of Open Source Intelligence (otherwise known as OSINT) several times. It is an area of information security that penetration testing that's been getting quite a bit of attention over the past several years. When you think about the digital world we live in, where we have a proliferation of personal, organizational, and governmental data on the internet...and the simple fact that data likes to leak…we can safely predict that OSINT investigation techniques will continue to be in demand. On this episode, Perry sits down with Rae Baker. Rae is the author of the book Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, which was released in April of this year from Wiley publishing. In this discussion with Rae, you'll hear a bit about her career pivot to OSINT specialist from being a graphic designer, how creativity fuels her job, advice for aspiring cybersecurity and OSINT professionals, and a lot more. Guest: Rae Baker (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, by Rae Baker (Amazon Associate link) Kase Scenarios: https://kasescenarios.com/ The OSINT Curious project TraceLabs YouTube Playlist from the 2022 SANS OSINT Summit YouTube video by The Cyber Mentor: Learn OSINT in 4.5 Hours Lockheed Martin Cyber Kill-Chain: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/cyber/cyber-kill-chain.html Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Listen in as Perry Carpenter & Dr. Jessica Barker present their joint session, "Conversational Security Awareness" at the SANS Managing Human Risk Summit. ... and stay tuned after the presentation for a quick conversation between Perry, Jessica, and Lance Spitzner (SANS) as they discuss themes from this year's event. Guests: Dr. Jessica Barker (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Lance Spitzner (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Additional Resources: Jessica Barker's great blog post summarizing this session Jessica Barker's 2020 RSA Keynote Related 8Li Episodes: 8Li S1 E9: Security ABCs Part 1: Make Awareness Transformational 8Li S1 E10: Security ABCs Part 2: 8th Layer Insights and the Quest for Security Culture 8Li S2 E10: The Next Evolution of Security Awareness 8Li S4 E3: Carrots, Sticks, and Culture: The Art and Science of Social Signaling 8Li S4 E5: We are the Champions 8Li S4 E6: Blending Awareness, Social Engineering, and Physical Penetration Testing -- A Conversation with Jayson E. Street Relevant Books (Amazon Associate Links) Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career, by Jessica Barker Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change by Jessica Barker, Adrian Davis, Bruce Hallas, & Ciarán Mc Mahon Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work, by Uri Gneezy Security Awareness Program Builder: Practical guidelines for building your Information Security Awareness Program & prep guide for the Security Awareness and Culture Professional (SACP)™ by Mark Majewski Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com

On today's show, Perry sits down with Jayson E. Street to discuss his unique blend of social engineering, physical penetration testing, and security awareness. Jayson refers to this as being trained by a simulated adversary. At the heart of Jayson's method is intense boldness in his approach to social engineering and penetration testing coupled with an equally intense passion for helping his clients and their employees improve their overall security posture and mindsets. It's about education rather than exploitation. Guest: Jayson E. Street (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) YouTube videos of Jayson 2022 Saintcon: Hacker Striptease Tomorrow Unlocked: Penetration tester Jayson E. Street helps banks by hacking them Risks & Reels: Who's a Hacker? Jasyon's book (Amazon Associate link) Dissecting the Hack: The V3rb0t3n Network Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news. Season 2 starts September 4, 2023. Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Hey all! I'm at BlackHat and Defcon this week. If you're there, track me down. I'd love to meet you! This week's episode is an encore of one of my favorites. My interview with James Linton (a.k.a. The Email Prankster). In 2017, James went on a virtual joyride exploiting the ways that people interact with emails. One of the most interesting things about James' story is that his exploits didn't rely on any type of highly technical method(s); they were simple display name deceptions. But that didn't stop him from fooling CEOs from some of the worlds largest banks, celebrities, and high ranking staff members in the White House. James' success using these simple methods serves as a warning for us all. We don't fall for scams because they are technically sophisticated or because we are stupid. We fall for scams because we are human. Guest: James Linton (LinkedIn) (Website) Books and Resources: Anatomy Of An Email Impersonation Spree: Who Got Pranked And Why An email prankster is hitting the CEOs of the world's biggest banks How to Prank the Rich and Powerful Without Really Trying Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman falls for email prank This Man Pranked Eric Trump And Harvey Weinstein — Now He Just Wants A Job Media Coverage YouTube Playlist James Linton -- Wikipedia Entry The Journal of Best Practices: A Memoir of Marriage, Asperger Syndrome, and One Man's Quest to Be a Better Husband by David Finch Perry -- Interview on Springbrook's Converge Autism Radio Perry -- Security Weekly Interview Perry Carpenter - The Aspies Guide to Social Engineering - DEF CON 27 Social Engineering Village Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com

There has been a lot of buzz for the past few years about the benefits and importance of establishing security champions programs. These are groups of people in your organization who become vital, responsible, and proactive contributing evangelists to the security culture of your organization. I often refer to them as "culture carriers." And, while there is general agreement that these are good programs to have, establishing them is currently a bit of a dark art. On today's show, Perry sits down with Sarah Janes of Layer 8 security to discuss the importance of champion programs and tease out a few best practices. Guest: Sarah Janes (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, Perry sits down with Chad Peterson, Managing Director at NetSPI, to discuss the importance of penetration testing. We touch on aspects of social engineering, discussing complex security issues with Boards of Directors, the prevalence of Ransomware, and some of the unique challenges facing the healthcare industry. Guest: Chad Peterson (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links) CISO Desk Reference Guide: A Practical Guide for CISOs by Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, & Matt Stamper Penetration Testing: A Hands-On Introduction to Hacking by Georgia Weidman  Practical Social Engineering: A Primer for the Ethical Hacker by Joe Gray Ransomware Protection Playbook by Roger Grimes The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity by Christian Espinosa Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, what cybersecurity professionals need to understand about how social signaling and incentives really work. Today's episode features a conversation with Uri Gneezy. In the field of cybersecurity, we are very interested in identifying proactive and positive ways to encourage the behavior we want. That's where Uri comes in. Uri is a well-known behavioral economist and professor of economics and strategy in the Rady School of Management at the University of California at San Diego. Most of us recognize that many of our behaviors, beliefs, and values are caught rather than taught. So, if you are interested in developing a positive security culture in your workplace, then it's important to understand the dynamics of how people both receive and signal their security-related beliefs and values so that associated behaviors become a natural result. Listen in as Perry sits down with Uri to discuss key findings from Uri's new book, Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work. This is a fascinating deep dive into Uri's research that has immediate applicability for anyone needing to design programs that work with, rather than against, human nature. Guest: Uri Gneezy (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links) Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work, by Uri Gneezy The Why Axis: Hidden Motives and the Undiscovered Economics of Everyday Life by Uri Gneezy & John List Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

In this episode, Perry Carpenter sits down with renowned mentalist and skeptic, Banachek. Banachek (Steve Shaw) grew up with a fascination in magic and a frustration with psychic frauds. As a teenager, he contacted magician and skeptic, James “The Amazing” Randi and ended up working with Randi on a special initiative known as Project Alpha, which set out to expose a general lack of objectivity in parapsychology research. Banachek served as the director for the James Randi Educational Foundation's “One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge” for 15 years and is now the President of the James Randi Educational Foundation.  Perry and Banachek discuss Project Alpha, the ways of fake psychics and fraudulent faith healers, and issues associated with confirmation bias and framing effects. They also discuss Banachek's new live mentalism show in Las Vegas, which incorporates theatrical mindreading and other mentalism effects along with a storyline that explores Banachek's life, antics, and passion for critical thinking. Guest: Banachek (Website) (twitter): Mentalist (Performing in Las Vegas add 'social' for 30% off tickets), Skeptic, President of the James Randi Educational Foundation This episode also featured a quick comment from: George Finney: (LinkedIn); Chief Security Officer at Southern Methodist University; Founder of Well Aware Security Books and References (Book links are 'Amazon Associate' links which help support the show): Brian Brushwood's podcast, World's Greatest Con Banachek Wikipedia entry Project Alpha Wikipedia entry James Randi Wikipedia entry Article about Houdini's efforts to debunk fake mediums The Discoverie of Witchcraft Wikipedia entry The Psychology of the Ouija Barnum Effect Wikipedia entry James Randi & Project Alpha Video Project Alpha lookback -- James Randi and Michael Edwards Psychological Subtleties vol 1, by Banachek Behind the Scenes with the Mediums, by David Abbott The Discoverie of Witchcraft Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors by Perry Carpenter Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski.

This week's episode is a late Star Wars ("May the 4th Be With You") celebration. We check out a couple interesting articles about security-related lessons embedded in the Star Wars movies, and Perry sits down with Adam Shostack, author of the new book, Threats: What Every Engineer Should Learn From Star Wars to discuss threat modeling principles using Star Wars related examples. Guest: Adam Shostack (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links) Threats: What Every Engineer Should Learn From Star Wars, by Adam Shostack Threat Modeling: Designing for Security, by Adam Shostack Threat modeling videos from Adam Threat modeling and security-related games by Adam Adam's whitepapers BlackPoint: Learn Their Lesson, They Did Not Gary Hibbard LinkedIn post Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Voice Acting for this episode: Darth Vader voice over artist: https://business.fiverr.com/freelancers/mistercorley Darth Vader breathing sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBi01iy2db8&ab_channel=chefhawk Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Welcome to season 4, episode 1 of 8th Layer Insights! On this episode, Perry speaks with Josiah Dykstra (Senior Fellow, Office of Innovation at the National Security Agency) about the new book he co-authored with Eugene Spafford and Leigh Metcalf. The book is titled Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions: Avoiding the Hazards and Pitfalls that Derail Us, This topic coincides well with Perry's recent studies into folklore and urban legends for his other podcast, Digital Folklore. Guests: Josiah Dykstra (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Chelsey Weber-Smith (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Mason Amadeus (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links) American Hysteria Podcast episode, Urban Legends in the Internet Wilderness with the Digital Folklore Podcast Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions: Avoiding the Hazards and Pitfalls that Derail Us, by Eugene Spafford, Leigh Metcalf, and Josiah Dykstra Essential Cybersecurity Science: Build, Test, and Evaluate Secure Systems, by Josiah Dykstra Folklore 101: An Accessible Introduction to Folklore Studies, by Jeana Jorgensen  Folklore Rules: A Fun, Quick, and Useful Introduction to the Field of Academic Folklore Studies, by Lynne S. McNeill Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. 8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

For the last episode of season 3, I thought we'd talk about something that's been in the news quite a lot recently: Authentication and Password Managers. As security professionals, we've decried the password for decades. Multifactor authentication (MFA) has started to gain popularity... but not without its own issues. Security leaders and tech teams may have once again hoped for a silver bullet, only to be disappointed to find out that crafty attackers can easily bypass MFA. We've also been touting the benefits of Password Managers for quite a while. After all, in a world where most of us have to manage upwards of 200 passwords in a year, who can keep up? No human can have great password hygiene across all those accounts. But password managers also face their own problems as illustrated by a recent high-profile incident. Our guest today is Roger Grimes. He has a multi-decade cybersecurity career and is the author of 13 cybersecurity books, countless articles, and is a highly sought-after industry luminary. ... Oh -- and he has opinions. Listen in as Roger and I discuss the current state of authentication, MFA, password managers, and more. Guests: Roger Grimes (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Want to submit a question to have answered in a future episode? If you've got a question or comment that you'd like me to try to answer or respond to, leave a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/8Li. Frankly, that would make it more engaging than if I just read your questions. But, if you aren't able to record a message or don't want your voice on the show, then you can email me your questions at perry@8thLayerMedia.com. I'd love to hear from you and answer any questions you have about my thoughts on security topics, creativity, online culture, podcasting… or anything else you have on your mind. Books & References: Password Managers Can Be Hacked Lots of Ways and Yes, You Should Still Use One, by Roger Grimes Roger's Password Masterclass Roger's Hacking MFA presentation Hacking Multifactor Authentication, by Roger Grimes Cryptography Apocalypse: Preparing for the Day When Quantum Computing Breaks Today's Crypto, by Roger Grimes Ransomware Protection Playbook, by Roger Grimes A Data-Driven Computer Defense: A Way to Improve Any Computer Defense, by Roger Grimes Hacking the Hacker: Learn from the Experts Who Take Down Hackers, by Roger Grimes LastPass Security Incident, December 22, 2022 LinkedIn 2FA Hacking demo by Kevin Mitnick The Humane Interface: New Directions for Designing Interactive Systems, by Jef Raskin Wired Magazine Article -- The Best Password Managers to Secure Your Digital Life Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Hey all! An announcement and something special! First, the announcement: Here's your chance to participate in the final episode of 8Li season 3. If you've got a question or comment that you'd like me to try to answer or respond to, leave a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/8Li. Frankly, that would make it more engaging than if I just read your questions. But, if you aren't able to record a message or don't want your voice on the show, then you can email me your questions at perry@8thLayerMedia.com. I'd love to hear from you and answer any questions you have about my thoughts on security topics, creativity, online culture, podcasting… or anything else you have on your mind. Now for something special: Here's a quick 10 minute sneak peek from episode 1 of my new show, Digital Folklore. Season 1 kicks off Jan 16. This episode introduces us to two "monsters" who were birthed on the internet, but couldn't be contained there. Their names are Slenderman and Momo, and they are great examples of a few key folkloric concepts. So join us as we take a look at Slenderman and Momo and learn about ostension, monster theory, moral panics, and the defining traits that make something folklore as opposed to just a simple online expression of creativity. Guests appearing on the full episode include: Dr. Vivian Asimos, author of Digital Monsters and Digital Mythology and the Internet's Monster: The Slender Man Ben Brock Johnson, Amory Sivertson, and Quincy Walters from WBUR's podcast, Endless Thread Chelsey Weber-Smith, host of American Hysteria Kathleen Hale, author of Slenderman: Online Obsession, Mental Illness, and the Violent Crime of Two Midwestern Girls Season 1 begins Jan 16, 2023. Subscribe or follow so you don't miss out! You can sign-up for our newsletter and learn more about the show at https://digitalfolklore.fm. Support the Digital Folklore Podcast on Patreon: https://patreon.com/digitalfolklore Find us on the socials: Twitter: @digiFolklorePod Facebook: DigitalFolklorePod Instagram: DigitalFolklorePod TikTok: digitalfolklore Thanks so much!

On this episode, Perry speaks with Chris Cochran and Ron Eddings. Chris and Ron started the Hacker Valley Studio Podcast back in June of 2019 with the goal of exploring the human condition to inspire peak performance in cybersecurity. The podcast is about Chris and Ron's quest to find inspirational stories and knowledge to elevate themselves and their communities. That podcast eventually kicked off a journey that led them to create their own podcast network (Hacker Valley Media), foster communities, and they recently partnered with SANS to create the Difference Makers Awards. Chris and Ron are passionate about cybersecurity, leadership, creativity, and podcasting — and so on today's show, you'll hear us touch on all of those topics and more. Guests: Chris Cochran (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Ron Eddings (LinkedIn) (Twitter) References: Hacker Valley Media Hacker Valley Studio podcast Technically Divided Difference Makers Awards Hacker Valley Discord server Perry's new show, Digital Folklore. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, and more. Coming January 16, 2023 everywhere you listen to podcasts. You can also check a 10 minute sneak peek of episode 1. Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, Perry sits down with Marta L. Tellado, President and CEO at Consumer Reports, to discuss the digital moment we are in and what that means for consumers and the marketplace: the risks, dangers, traps… and also the places and paths that can lead to progress. They also discuss Marta's new book, Buyer Aware: Harnessing Our Consumer Power for a Safe, Fair, and Transparent Marketplace. Guest: Marta L. Tellado (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: Fighting For a Fair Digital World. Consumer Reports resources to empower you to take action Buyer Aware: Harnessing our consumer power for a safe, fair, and transparent marketplace, by Marta L. Tellado Old Consumer reports commercials: Example 1, Example 2, Example 3. Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Get ready for those 'fun' holiday dinner conversations with friends and family. You know the ones... In the spirit of the holidays, I thought we'd revisit Season 1, Episode 2. This is an episode about the battle for truth. As disinformation, misinformation, malinformation, and conspiracy theories seem to be hitting epidemic levels, how can we help each other determine what is real and what is fake? How can we help people who are falling down conspiracy rabbit holes? And what roles do technology companies, governments, and ordinary citizens play? Perry Carpenter speaks with acclaimed cybersecurity expert, Bruce Schneier, disinformation experts, Samantha North and Allie Wong, and conspiracy theory researcher, Mick West. In this episode, we also hear from Peter Leyden from Reinvent and Eli Periser, author of The Filter Bubble. Learn more about our guests here: Bruce Schneier - Internationally renowned security technologist, author, and speaker. You can find Bruce's website here. Allie Wong - VP of Mis/dis/mal-information, Response and Resiliency, Limbik; Consultant, United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research. (LinkedIn) Samantha North - Disinformation researcher and consultant. (LinkedIn) Co-Founder: North Cyber Research (website) Mick West - Skeptical investigator and retired video game programmer. Creator of the websites Contrail Science (website) and Metabunk (website). Author of Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect (link). Personal website (link). Special thanks to Reinvent for allowing use of audio. References: http://reinvent.net/events/event/how-we-can-pop-the-filter-bubble-with-eli-pariser/ https://reboot-foundation.org/study-social-media-poor-judgment/ https://reboot-foundation.org/is-there-a-fake-news-generation/ Recommended Books: Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect by Mick West. Click Here to Kill Everybody: Security and Survival in a Hyper-connected World by Bruce Schneier. The Filter Bubble: How the New Personalized Web Is Changing What We Read and How We Think by Eli Pariser. Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. Why Are We Yelling?: The Art of Productive Disagreement by Buster Benson. The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt. Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

There is something about a good spy story that seems to really resonate with people in the cybersecurity world. We love watching the moves and the counter moves, and the sneaking around, and the social engineering, and hacking, and all of the gadgets and toys, and car chases, and fights and double crosses and triple crosses. Yeah, you get the point.  But how much of that is real and how much can be chalked up to an author's creative license? And what's life and work like for real people in the intelligence industry? This episode features two guests: ex-CIA agent Peter Warmka and Andrew Hammond, historian and curator at the International Spy Museum. Guests: Peter Warmka (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Andrew Hammond (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: Confessions of a CIA Spy: The Art of Human Hacking, by Peter Warmka The CIA Guy & CIA Spy Podcast, Peter Warmka and Robert Siciliano Peter Warmka Videos International Spy Museum website SpyCast Podcast, hosted by Andrew Hammond INTEL.gov The Evolution of Espionage in America, INTEL.org Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

For this week, we are revisiting a previous episode that first aired as Season 1 Episode 10. In this episode, we discuss the concept of security culture -- specifically, the difficulty that security leaders have in defining what a security culture actually is. Luckily, we can draw on learnings from organizational culture management and culture transformation experts. Guests for this episode include, David Sturt, Executive Vice President of the O.C. Tanner Institute, author of Great Work: How to Make a Difference People Love and Appreciate: Celebrating People, Inspiring Greatness., Dr. Jessica Barker (co-CEO and Co-Founder, Socio-Technical Lead at Cygenta; author of Confident Cyber Security and co-author of Cybersecurity ABCs), Kai Roer, Chief Research Officer at KnowBe4, creator of the Security Culture Framework, author of Build a Security Culture, and Michael Leckie, founding partner at Silverback Partners, LLC and author of The Heart of Transformation: Build the Human Capabilities that Change Organizations for Good. Guests: David Sturt Dr. Jessica Barker Kai Roer Michael Leckie References, Resources & Books: Security ABCs Part 1: Make Awareness Transformational, 8Li Season 1, Episode 9 4 Ways to Build a Thoughtful Security Culture, by Perry Carpenter 7 Tips for Building a Strong Security Culture, by Perry Carpenter Appreciate: Celebrating People, Inspiring Greatness, by David Sturt Build a Security Culture, by Kai Roer Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career, by Jessica Barker Culture Rules! The 10 Core Principles of Corporate Culture, by John R. Childress Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change, by Jessica Barker, Adrian Davis, and Bruce Hallas Great Work: How to Make a Difference People Love, by David Sturt The Heart of Transformation: Build the Human Capabilities that Change Organizations for Good,, by Michael Leckie The Importance Of A Strong Security Culture And How To Build One, by Perry Carpenter Perry Carpenter's (ISC)2 Info Security Professional Journal 4 episode series on Security Awareness (Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, Episode 4) Security Culture and Credential Sharing, KnowBe4 Research Security Culture Report 2021: A Global Security Culture Perspective During a Pandemic, KnowBe4 Research Seven Dimensions of Security Culture, KnowBe4 Research Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this episode, Perry sits down with Jenny Radcliffe (a.k.a. The People Hacker). Jenny is a well-known speaker, podcaster, professional social engineer, and physical penetration tester… in other words, she's a social engineer who specializes not only in tricking people into doing things they shouldn't do… but she also specializes getting into places she shouldn't be and finding things she shouldn't be able to find. Her job is to embody the criminal mindset and use the skills of a criminal to find the vulnerabilities that a criminal would find. In this interview, Jenny talks shop about her path to becoming a full time social engineer, the realities of penetration testing, inherent vulnerabilities in buildings and humans, and how to continuously improve at anything. Guests: Jenny Radcliffe (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books and References: Bruce Schneier blog about the Security Mindset Video -- Jenny Radcliffe: How I Fooled A £2mil Security System Jenny's interview on the Jordan Harbinger Show Jenny's interview on Darknet Diaries Jenny's interview on the Security Mastermind's Podcast The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security by Kevin Mitnick Harvard Business Review article on the Principles of Persuasion A blog series Perry did on Deception (Part 1), (Part 2). Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

Over the past few years, there's been a lot of talk about the value of understanding Open Source Intelligence (OSINT). But, even with so much talk, relatively few cybersecurity professionals have had the time to take a deep dive into the topic. In this episode, Perry sits down with social engineer, OSINT investigator, and member of the OSINT Curious project, Christina Lekati to get an overview of the value of OSINT as well as some basic techniques. After that, we hear from Chris Kirsch (co-founder and CEO of runZero). Chris is a former black badge winner at DEF CON's social engineering competition and served as a judge in the most recent competition. He recently released an interesting report analyzing the top OSINT sources and vishing (voice phishing via phone) pretexts from that competition. Guests: Christina Lekati (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Chris Kirsch (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Books and References: Top OSINT sources and vishing pretexts from DEF CON's social engineering competition, research by Chris Kirsch referenced in this episode YouTube video by Christina Lekati: Protecting High-Value Individuals: An OSINT Workflow YouTube video: DEF CON 27 Recon Village presentation by Chris Kirsch: Using OSINT for Competitive Intelligence YouTube Playlist from the 2022 SANS OSINT Summit YouTube video by The Cyber Mentor: Learn OSINT in 4.5 Hours The OSINT Curious project DEFCON Social Engineering Community 15 top open-source intelligence tools, CSO Online Top 25 OSINT Tools for Penetration Testing, SecurityTrails WebMii.com Hunter.io Wigle.net Lockheed Martin Cyber Kill-Chain: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/cyber/cyber-kill-chain.html Threat Modeling: Designing for Security by Adam Shostack What is Threat Modeling: https://securityintelligence.com/posts/what-is-threat-modeling-and-how-does-it-impact-application-security/ 12 Methods of threat Modeling: https://insights.sei.cmu.edu/blog/threat-modeling-12-available-methods/ The Art of Attack: Attacker Mindset for Security Professionals by Maxie Reynolds Perry's Books Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

In this episode, Perry talks about the value of storytelling and provides 7 tips for anyone who faces the fear associated with staring at a blank screen, wondering how they can begin to create fresh content. This is adapted from a presentation Perry recently gave at the 2022 SANS Security Awareness Summit. Books & Resources: Overview of "The Iron Triangle" Visual Summary of Perry's SANS Security Awareness Summit presentation YouTube Video: You are not a storyteller - Stefan Sagmeister @ FITC Security is Alive: 8th Layer Insights, Season 2, episode 6 Creativity for Non Creatives: 8th Layer Insights, Season 2, episode 10 Igniting and Sustaining Creativity: 8th Layer Insights, Season 2, episode 1 Unleashing Trojan Horses for the Mind: 8th Layer Insights, Season 1, episode 1 Steal Like an Artist: 10 Things Nobody Told You About Being Creative, by Austin Kleon Show Your Work: 10 Ways to Share Your Creativity and Get Discovered,, by Austin Kleon MasterClass -- Margaret Atwood Teaches Creative Writing "Everything is Alive" Podcast Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

In this episode, Perry sits down with Mikko Hyppönen for a wide ranging discussion about the history, current state, and future of cybersecurity. We also discuss Mikko's new book, the title of which is derived from Hyppönen's Law: If It's Smart, It's Vulnerable. Guest: Mikko Hyppönen (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Web) Books & Resources: If It's Smart, It's Vulnerable, by Mikko Hyppönen Mikko's TED Talks Daemon, by Daniel Suarez Internet of Things and data placement, by Dell Technologies Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

This is a follow-up to Season 2, episode 4 –Bridging the Cyber Skills Gap. Many listeners contacted me saying that they loved the episode, but wished that I'd put more focus on people trying to find a career in cybersecurity later in life. So, consider this episode a Bridging the Cyber Skills Gap Part 2. We'll hear the stories of several people who've come to cybersecurity a bit later in life. This episode features interviews with Alethe Denis, Tracy Z. Maleeff (a.k.a. InfoSec Sherpa), Phillip Wylie, Lisa Plaggemier, Naomi Buckwalter, and Alyssa Miller. Guests: Alethe Denis (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (LinkTree) Tracy Z. Maleeff (a.k.a. InfoSec Sherpa) (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Phillip Wylie (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Medium) Lisa Plaggemier (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Naomi Buckwalter (LinkedIn) Alyssa Miller (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books & Resources: The Cybersecurity Career Guide, by Alyssa Miller The Pentester BluePrint: Starting a Career as an Ethical Hacker, by Phillip Wylie The Hacker Factory Podcast | With Phillip Wylie Building the Next Generation of Cybersecurity Professionals, LinkedIn Learning course from Naomi Buckwalter 8Li: Fun and Games: Lock Picking, Capture the Flag Contests, Simulations, and More How to Break Into Cybersecurity, article by Katlyn Gallo Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

You've probably been hearing the term 'mindfulness' a lot these days. And for good reason. We humans seem to be busier and more stressed out than ever before, and mindfulness practices seem to offer positive benefit. But how does mindfulness intersect with cybersecurity? What practices can we learn and promote to decrease human risk in our organizations and live safer digital lives? In this episode, we explore the topic of cyber mindfulness. And to do so, we'll be hearing from Anna Collard, Michael Davis, and Yvonne and Jasmine Eskenzi. Guests: Anna Collard (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Company Site) Michael Davis (LinkedIn) (Company Site) Yvonne Eskenzi (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Company Site) Jasmine Eskenzi (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Company Site) Books & Resources: The Zensory App Research Paper: The current state of mind: A systematic review of the relationship between mindfulness and mind-wandering Research Paper: Training to Mitigate Phishing Attacks Using Mindfulness Techniques Research Paper: Understand the mistakes that compromise your company's security University of Dayton's Cyber Mindful program overview The Human Firewall: 3 Mindfulness Techniques Your Team Can Use to Prevent Phishing Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this bonus episode, Perry sits down with physical penetration tester, lock picking guru, and Board Member of The Open Organization of Lockpickers (TOOOL), Deviant Ollam. They discuss lockpicking, physical penetration testing, locksport, and the ethics of teaching these skills. Guest: Deviant Ollam (Twitter) (YouTube) (Website) Books & Resources: 8th Layer Insights S2E8: Fun and Games: Lock Picking, Capture the Flag Contests, Simulations, and More Lockpicking Resources from Deviant Ollam Keys to the Kingdom: Impressioning, Privilege Escalation, Bumping, and Other Key-Based Attacks Against Physical Locks, by Deviant Ollam. (Amazon affiliate link) Practical Lock Picking: A Physical Penetration Tester's Training Guide, by Deviant Ollam. (Amazon affiliate link) TOOOL US -- The Open Organization of Lockpickers TOOOL US instructional videos on YouTube The Official TOOOL Slides The Lockpicking Lawyer on YouTube Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

On this bonus episode, Perry sits down with investigative journalist, speaker, podcaster, and author, Geoff White to talk about his path into investigative journalism, podcasting, and his new book, "The Lazarus Heist: From Hollywood to High Finance: Inside North Korea's Global Cyber War." Guest: Geoff White (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Books & Podcasts: Lazarus Heist Book Lazarus Heist Podcast Crime Dot Com: From Viruses to Vote Rigging, How Hacking Went Global Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram

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If you could interview a password, what questions would you ask? Today, May 5th, 2022 is World Password Day. World Password Day was first established in 2013 and is celebrated each year on the 1st Thursday in May. To celebrate, I thought it would be fun to share an excerpt of a previous episode ("Security is Alive") where I interviewed multiple security-related objects. This clip is my interview with Dave the Password. Stick around after the interview for a few password-related tips and best practices!

Creativity can be a scary topic for technologists. Most of us haven't been trained in the art and science of creativity and so they either feel out of their depth when called on to create content. But it doesn't have to be that way. In this episode, Perry sits down with New York Times bestselling author, Michelle Richmond, Audible bestselling author Rob Dircks, and two critically acclaimed cybersecurity podcasters, Ran Levi (creator and host of the Malicious Life podcast) and David Spark (creator and host of the CISO Series podcast) to discuss creativity, how to create relatable content, and how to communicate technology-related content in clear and compelling ways. Guests: Ran Levi (LinkedIn) (Website) David Spark (LinkedIn) (Website) Michelle Richmond (LinkedIn) (Website) (Amazon Page) Rob Dircks (LinkedIn) (Website) (Amazon Page) Books and Resources: 8Li Season 1, Episode 1: Unleashing Trojan Horses for the Mind 8Li Season 2, Episode 1: Igniting and Sustaining Creativity 8Li Season 2, Episode 2: You're Listening to "The Dark Stream" 8Li Season 2, Episode 3: Technology & the Law of Unintended Consequences 8Li Season 2, Episode 6: Security is Alive "Malicious Life" Podcast, Ran Levi "CISO Series" Podcast, David Spark How do you explain virtualization to your mom? -- David Spark video "Everything is Alive" Podcast "Writing Excuses" Podcast The Wonder Test: A Novel, by Michelle Richmond (Amazon affiliate link) The Marriage Pact: A Novel, by Michelle Richmond (Amazon affiliate link) Where the Hell is Tesla? A Novel, by Rob Dircks (Amazon affiliate link) You're Going to Mars (An Audible Original), by Rob Dircks (Amazon affiliate link) Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting, by Robert McKee (Amazon affiliate link) HBR Guide to Persuasive Presentations (HBR Guide Series), by Nancy Duarte (Amazon affiliate link) Alchemy: The Dark Art and Curious Science of Creating Magic in Brands, Business, and Life, by Roy Sutherland (Amazon affiliate link) How Creativity Rules the World: The Art and Business of Turning Your Ideas into Gold, by Maria Brito (Amazon affiliate link) On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft, by Stephen King (Amazon affiliate link) You Are an Artist: Assignments to Spark Creation, by Sarah Urist Green Ticktime Pomodoro Timer (Amazon affiliate link) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter (Amazon affiliate link) The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer (Amazon affiliate link) Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: hello [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com