Podcasts about career pivots

Austin Brittenham is a first-generation lawyer, legal tech founder, and the creator of 2nd Chair, an AI-powered tool designed to help solo and small firm lawyers work faster and smarter. In this episode, Austin and Kyla talk about space law, law school culture, and what it really means to use your legal education creatively. From debating in high school to launching two startups, Austin proves that you don't have to follow the traditional legal path to make a meaningful impact.Lawyer Side HustlesAustin's side hustle is now his full-time gig. He founded 2nd Chair while still in law school and used his background in AI and education startups to build something lawyers actually need. The tool creates litigation timelines, drafts legal materials, and helps lawyers save time and serve more clients. But it's not just about software, it's about increasing access to justice and making legal practice more sustainable.“We can distribute more justice, we can serve more people—or just have more vacation,” expresses Austin Brittenham in Episode 200 of You Are a Lawyer.Austin's story reminds us that entrepreneurship doesn't have to mean abandoning the law. It can mean expanding it, reimagining it, and making it more human. 2nd Chair exists because Austin saw a gap in the system and took the risk to build something better.LISTEN TO LEARNHow Austin built 2nd Chair to support small firm lawyersThe difference between legal knowledge and legal valueHow to take career risks using your law degree as a safety netWE ALSO DISCUSSThe pros and cons of legal tech adoption across generationsAustin's detour into space law and education startupsWhy volunteering and community work can shape your legal futureJoin the FREE mailing list!Get behind-the-scenes content from You Are A Lawyer. 1) Visit www.youarealawyer.com2) Add your email address to the Subscribe pop-up box OR3) Enter your email address on the right side of the screen4) Get emails from me (I won't fill your inbox with junk)!Interact with You Are A LawyerKyla Denanyoh hosts the You Are A Lawyer podcast. Follow the podcast:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@youarealawyerWebsite: https://www.youarealawyer.com

In this episode, host Jenny Dempsey chats with Joseph Rudd, who went from selling bathroom fixtures in London to managing personal brands in the marketing world. His journey is a real-deal look at what it takes to flip your career when everything feels uncertain.After the pandemic threw his career plans off course, Joseph didn't wait for someone to give him a shot, he created his own opportunities. He started building experience from scratch, leaned into the world of personal branding, and learned how to stand out by being, well...himself.We talk about:Making big career changes without a traditional backgroundWhy networking isn't as scary as it soundsThe magic of having supportive people in your cornerWhat to do when self-doubt shows upHow to start building a personal brand—even if you're not in marketingWhy your portfolio matters more than your degree Joseph's story is a reminder that it's never too late to start something new, and you don't need a fancy title or perfect plan to begin. You just have to start.✨ If you've ever thought, “Who's going to take me seriously?”, this one's for you.Connect with JosephLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephrudd/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/worklifewithjoe/?hl=en Thanks for listening to The Career Flipper!If you enjoyed this episode, let's spread the word! Share it with a friend, subscribe, and leave a review—it helps other career flippers find the show.Let's Stay Connected:Join the community: thecareerflipper.comTikTok: @thecareerflipperInstagram: @thecareerflipperpodGot a career flip story? I'd love to hear it—and maybe even have you on the podcast! Whether you've completed your flip, are just starting, or are in the thick of it, submit your story here: https://www.thecareerflipper.com Want to support the show?Looking for a speaker? I'd love to talk about career changes at your next event.Collaborate through sponsorships or affiliates! Let's work together.Email me: hello@thecareerflipper.comCheck Out My Customer Service CoursesBefore my career flip, I led customer experience teams and created online courses that have helped over 12,000 students worldwide. Whether you're switching to customer service or sharpening your skills to run your own business, these courses are packed with practical tips. Learn more at thecareerflipper.com/courses.Other Ways to Get Involved:Buy me a coffee!Explore my furniture flipsMusic CreditsSeason 1: Intro and outro music by audionautix.com. Season 2: Intro and outro original music by Jenny Dempsey, recorded in a home studio.What's the best that could happen?

In this episode, Senior Fashion Editor Eliza Huber—Who What Wear's resident expert on the intersection of sports and fashion—is sitting down with two stylists behind some of the best tunnel fashion we've seen in recent months. Brittany Hampton is a seasoned athlete stylist whose client roster includes some of the buzziest women in basketball: Paige Bueckers, Sabrina Ionescu, Cameron Brink, Evan Mobley, and Nika Mühl. She's also the Golden State Valkyries' fashion strategist. Manny Jay began his styling career working with musicians like Trippie Redd and Tink, and more recently manifested his way into the sports arena through his work with WNBA tunnel 'fit veteran Skylar Diggins-Smith. Today, Hampton and Jay discuss the WNBA's unprecedented growth over the last year and how that heightened visibility impacts their clients' relationships with fashion. They get into the ways that athlete fashion extends beyond aesthetics, influencing fan accessibility, marketing avenues for players, and even their on-court performance. Check out Eliza's Go Sports content here!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Waverly Deutsch doesn't just coach entrepreneurs—she translates English to English, reframes stories with strategy, and helps even the most logic-trained professionals tap into their conviction. In this three-part series, we walk through her unusual path from consulting to Chicago Booth to founding WyseHeart, her pitch strategy firm.Each episode reveals a new dimension of her journey: the personal (Part 1), the academic and instructional (Part 2), and the entrepreneurial, including her bold take on how to co-exist with AI (Part 3). Across every chapter, Waverly models what it means to coach with both love and logic—bringing clear frameworks to messy human dreams.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Book Smarts to Business Savvy“Entrepreneurship is a process—whether you're 20 or 50.”At Booth, Waverly coached a wildly diverse mix: undergrads with unchecked imagination, MBAs with ideas but risk aversion, and execs who played it too safe. Her role? Adjusting the dials between wild dreams and grounded strategy—always pushing people to think just a little bigger (or a little sharper).Love for the Logical Skeptics“If you, the entrepreneur, don't believe you're building a $50M company, why should the investor?”Her job wasn't to sugarcoat—it was to stretch minds. She shares how she helped overly rational MBAs move from “safe” ideas to bold, fundable visions—and overly optimistic young founders get real about execution. Her coaching mantra? Meet them where they are—and nudge from there.The Muffin That Grew a Billion Dollars“This could be the Betty Crocker of the 21st century.”A standout case: Simple Mills founder Caitlin Smith. What began as a gluten-free side hustle turned into a billion-dollar brand—thanks in part to Waverly's nudge to imagine bigger. It's a masterclass in how one coach reframed a story and sparked a scale-worthy vision.Coaching in the Wild“I'm an English-to-English translator.”Post-Booth, Waverly now works with a broader crowd: from seasoned pros to small business owners without MBAs. Her key lesson? Listen deeply, strip away jargon, and tailor advice to meet people where they are—because real coaching starts with trust, not templates.Can AI Be Your Coach? Nope.“If marriage is ‘til death do us part, investment is ‘til exit do us part.”Waverly doesn't see AI as competition—yet. A pitch deck might be AI-generated, but building investor trust, interpreting nuance, and navigating founder doubt? That's strictly human territory. Coaching is about relationships, not just logic—and for that, love still wins._______________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Waverly Deutsch --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

Waverly Deutsch doesn't just coach entrepreneurs—she translates English to English, reframes stories with strategy, and helps even the most logic-trained professionals tap into their conviction. In this three-part series, we walk through her unusual path from consulting to Chicago Booth to founding WyseHeart, her pitch strategy firm.Each episode reveals a new dimension of her journey: the personal (Part 1), the academic and instructional (Part 2), and the entrepreneurial, including her bold take on how to co-exist with AI (Part 3). Across every chapter, Waverly models what it means to coach with both love and logic—bringing clear frameworks to messy human dreams.Key Highlights of Our Interview:What Investors Actually Want“Good ideas are everywhere. I invest in people who know how to execute.”Lessons from both sides of the table: raising capital and writing checks.You Are Not Your Company“When a startup fails, it doesn't mean you failed.”Helping founders detach identity from outcome.The Metrics That Really Matter“Sometimes traction isn't revenue—it's retention, referrals, or even the right kind of no.”How she helps founders track the right signals.Managing the Urge to Please“Women, especially, are taught to be agreeable. That doesn't work in fundraising.”Teaching confidence without arrogance.Love and Logic, Always“Lead with empathy. Decide with data. And know which one to use when.”Her golden rule for founders—and herself._______________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Waverly Deutsch --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

Unexpectedly, trauma-informed leadership skills are not just for disaster relief workers, they're crucial for leaders in any workplace. Dive into this podcast to uncover the surprising stories from a world-renowned trauma therapist who translated pain into understanding and despair into dignity. Hear how trauma manifests in the body and why creating a psychologically safe environment isn't just a nice-to-have, it's essential for high performance. Plus, get insights on navigating workplace cultural conflict and becoming a change agent inside organizations. This isn't your typical leadership advice – it's a deep dive into the unexpected intersection of trauma, neuroscience, and leadership. Stay tuned to discover how trauma-informed leadership isn't just a buzzword but the key to leading differently in today's challenging world. In this episode, you will be able to: Learn how trauma-informed leadership skills can transform your team's well-being and productivity. Master the art of navigating workplace cultural conflict for a more harmonious and inclusive environment. Discover the secrets to creating psychological safety at work for enhanced employee well-being and engagement. Understand the effects of global unrest on leadership and how to navigate them successfully. Explore effective strategies for overcoming employee burnout and fostering a resilient workforce. The key moments in this episode are:00:00:00 - Introduction and Invitation to Subscribe 00:02:37 - The Importance of Trauma-Informed Leadership 00:09:02 - Neuroscience and Psychological Safety 00:10:35 - Insights from Catherine Matisse 00:13:17 - Leading with Curiosity and Humanity 00:15:02 - Advocating for Change 00:15:36 - The Power of Therapy 00:16:39 - Career Satisfaction 00:17:54 - Overcoming Challenges

keywordscybersecurity, culinary arts, penetration testing, career transition, high-pressure situations, horror films, IT, social engineering, cooking, cybersecurity horror, dark web, pen testing, B-Sides community, cybersecurity, lifestyle polygraph, music, childhood memories, culinary skills, competition takeawaysKathy Collins transitioned from IT to culinary arts and back to cybersecurity.Her journey highlights the transferable skills between cooking and cybersecurity.Physical penetration testing involves unpredictable human elements.High-pressure situations in cooking can prepare one for cybersecurity challenges.Unexpected challenges can arise in both culinary events and cybersecurity tests.The importance of communication in cybersecurity engagements is crucial.Kathy's experience in cooking for large groups parallels the complexities of cybersecurity.The need for proper notification in penetration testing to avoid misunderstandings.Kathy's culinary background influences her approach to problem-solving in cybersecurity.There is a lack of big-budget horror films focused on cybersecurity. Going with the correct skeptical mindset is crucial.Using tools like Flare helps in dark web monitoring.B-Sides events are affordable and beneficial for newcomers.Engaging with the community fosters excitement and learning.Hannibal Lecter would be an interesting pen test partner.The Jaws soundtrack sets a perfect mood for stealth.Bonding over music can strengthen family relationships.Childhood toys can reveal early hacker tendencies.Culinary skills can be approached with a hacker mindset.Competition in cooking shows often emphasizes drama over skill. summaryIn this episode of the No Password Required podcast, host Jack Clabby and co-host Kaylee Melton welcome Kathy Collins, a security consultant at Secure Ideas. Kathy shares her unique journey from working in IT to pursuing a culinary career, and then back to cybersecurity. The conversation explores the transferable skills between cooking and cybersecurity, the unpredictability of physical penetration testing, and the high-pressure situations faced in both fields. Kathy also recounts memorable experiences from her culinary career and discusses the lack of horror films centered around cybersecurity. In this engaging conversation, the speakers delve into various aspects of cybersecurity, including the use of the dark web in penetration testing, the importance of community events like B-Sides, and the fun of the Lifestyle Polygraph segment. They also share personal anecdotes about music, childhood memories, and culinary skills, creating a rich tapestry of insights and experiences in the cybersecurity field. titlesFrom Chef to Cybersecurity: A Unique JourneyThe Culinary Path to CybersecurityHigh Stakes: Cooking and Cybersecurity Under PressurePenetration Testing: The Culinary Connection Sound Bites"I had to do some soul searching.""I was like, what if I have to do...""It's disturbingly easy.""There are so many opportunities there.""Going with the correct skeptical mindset.""We have a tool that we use called Flare.""They should attend them, first of all.""I had an Easy Bake Oven and took it apart." Chapters00:00 Introduction to Cybersecurity and Culinary Journeys02:46 From IT to Culinary Arts: A Unique Transition06:02 The Shift Back to Cybersecurity09:00 Experiences in Physical Penetration Testing11:48 High-Pressure Situations: Cooking vs. Cybersecurity15:02 Unexpected Challenges in Culinary Events17:54 The Intersection of Horror and Cybersecurity23:32 Exploring the Dark Web in Pen Testing25:34 Engaging with the B-Sides Community27:09 The Lifestyle Polygraph: Fun and Games 31:09 Bonding Over Music and Childhood Memories34:17 Culinary Skills and Competition Insights

Are you a top executive woman feeling the call for a significant career change, but grappling with the fear of the unknown, the exhaustion of past challenges, or the question of "who am I" outside of your corporate identity? In this episode of How Women Inspire, Julie Castro Abrams, JeanAnn Nochols, and Lori Igleski dive deep into the world of career pivots, offering a roadmap to make your transition less stressful and more fulfilling. Join them as they explore how to align your mindset, leverage community support, and discover your true north in your next professional evolution. This week's episode 176 of How Women Inspire Podcast is about career pivots: navigating your next chapter with joy and success! In this episode of How Women Inspire Podcast, JeanAnn Nichols and Lori Igleski are sharing the importance of aligning professional choices with personal values and actionable steps you can take right now to prepare yourself for a meaningful career pivot. JeanAnn Nichols is an accomplished executive with more than 30 years of diverse professional experience. She has managed engineering, product design, manufacturing, marketing, sales, communications, and IT operations for Fortune 500 companies. Most recently she served as a Vice President and General Manager for a $60B global technology company.Lori Igleski founded Heart-Led Ventures LLC in 2022, leveraging decades of financial services experience to guide organizations through transformational change and ensure the next generation of diverse leaders benefits from her expertise. Throughout her career, she spearheaded over 35 significant merger and acquisition integrations, reorganizations, and technology implementations, passionately advocating for both the client and employee experience by building robust change management and employee engagement strategies. Some of the talking points Julie, JeanAnn, and Lori go over in this episode include:Prioritizing professional rest and mindset alignment.Addressing common fears during a career pivot and embracing self-discovery.Leveraging community support for resilience.Building a portfolio career to fulfill diverse needs.What is one small step you can take today to align your current professional path with your deepest values? Share this episode with a friend who might be contemplating their own career pivot, and subscribe to How Women Inspire for more insights on leading, investing, and giving.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, take a screenshot of the episode to post in your stories and tag me!  And don't forget to follow, rate, and review the podcast and tell me your key takeaways!Learn more about How Women Inspire at https://www.howwomenlead.com/podcast CONNECT WITH JEANANN NICHOLS:LinkedInWebsiteCONNECT WITH LORI IGLESKI:LinkedInCONNECT WITH JULIE CASTRO ABRAMS:LinkedIn - JulieHow Women LeadHow Women InvestHow Women GiveInstagram - HWLLinkedIn - HWLFacebook - HWL

Waverly Deutsch doesn't just coach entrepreneurs—she translates English to English, reframes stories with strategy, and helps even the most logic-trained professionals tap into their conviction. In this three-part series, we walk through her unusual path from consulting to Chicago Booth to founding WyseHeart, her pitch strategy firm.Each episode reveals a new dimension of her journey: the personal (Part 1), the academic and instructional (Part 2), and the entrepreneurial, including her bold take on how to co-exist with AI (Part 3). Across every chapter, Waverly models what it means to coach with both love and logic—bringing clear frameworks to messy human dreams.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Computer Scientist Who Loved Shakespeare“I've always had a foot in both worlds—logic and emotion, code and creativity.”How Waverly's dual passions for computer science and theatre shaped her approach to business.The Pivot Into Entrepreneurship“I didn't want to write code anymore. I wanted to solve problems worth solving.”Why she left tech to help build a startup—and never looked back.Real Lessons, Not Just Case Studies“Harvard cases are great, but I wanted to teach with my own stories.”How she built her curriculum at Booth from lived experience.Founders Aren't Born“They're shaped by experience, community, and the right mindset.”What makes someone capable of starting—and sustaining—a business.Emotion Belongs in the Room“Business is about people. If you're not teaching that, you're missing the point.”Why she teaches soft skills just as seriously as finance and ops._______________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Waverly Deutsch --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

In Part Two, Brian opens up about what it really cost him to tell the truth inside a political system built on avoidance. From surviving misinformation attacks to refusing to play nice for the sake of power, he reflects on the risks and responsibilities that come with using your platform when it might backfire. We also hear how he rebuilt after the storm—why starting over matters, and what he's doing differently this time around.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Price of Authenticity“I didn't lose because I lacked support—I lost because I refused to lie.”What really happened during his run for lieutenant governor.Party Loyalty vs. Personal Truth“I wasn't going to smile and play along just to move up.”When doing the right thing means going against your own team.Retaliation Isn't Always Loud“It's the silence. The meetings you stop getting invited to.”How quiet resistance can be louder than shouting.Redefining Leadership“I don't want to lead the way they taught us. I want to lead in a way that reflects my truth.”Why he's rebuilding his leadership from the ground up.The Work Continues—But Differently“My goal now isn't to win office. It's to win trust.”From political power to public service, on his own terms._______________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Brian Sims --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

Chloe Glynn, maintenance sales rep at Midwest Mechanical, discusses her successful career pivot into the HVAC industry having had no prior experience.

Denise Woodard is the founder and CEO of Partake, an allergy-friendly food company. Woodard started her career in pound-the-pavement sales roles at Philip Morris and FedEx, gaining robust experience in winning business by providing genuine solutions to her clients. She then spent the majority of her early career at the Coca-Cola Company, starting in sales and then finding her niche working on the emerging brands that were better aligned with her values, like Honest Tea and Health-Ade. After rising through the ranks and becoming the director of national sales for Coca-Cola's Venturing and Emerging Brands (VEB), Woodard was proud of the career she had built for herself and didn't envision she'd ever leave her job. But after having her daughter, Vivienne, and finding out her child suffered from food allergies, she started to realize just how stark the allergy-friendly food landscape was. She couldn't find any options that were nutritious and delicious, and after some nudging from her nanny, Woodard decided to do something about it. She promptly put together a new business pitch for an allergy-friendly snack brand, entered a pitch competition, and won. She spent the next year building Partake while working her day job before leaping into it full-time. Since then, Woodard has become the first Black woman to raise over $1 million for a packaged food company, and Partake Foods can now be found in over 18,000 retailers, including Target and Whole Foods.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What does it take to pivot into a creative career — especially when you're not in your 20s, don't live in a major city, and didn't follow a traditional design path?In one of the most popular episodes of the Imprint Podcast, interior and prop stylist Jen Paul shares how she transitioned from teaching to styling, landed a role at Studio McGee, and built a career on her own terms. She opens up about the power of being intentional, learning on the job, and how following her curiosity led to unexpected opportunities.If you're questioning your path or wondering if it's too late to start something new, Jen's story is a powerful reminder that it's never too late to back yourself — and move into action.➤ Let's continue the conversation here: www.nataliewalton.substack.com ~Go DeeperFor Interior Designers & Stylists: A proven program to elevate your interiors, develop your signature style and attract your dream clients with clarity and confidence. | Start HereFor Creative Entrepreneurs: Expert guidance in a 1:1 mentorship intensive to start or scale your creative business. | Learn MoreFor Business Strategy, Systems & Support: A strategic business growth group program for interior designers and creative business owners who are focussed on growing smarter, not harder. | Join Here~Let's connect!Join 20k readers of This Creative Life for free on Substack. Follow me on Instagram: instagram.com/nataliewaltonExplore my resources and programs: nataliewalton.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nataliewalton.substack.com

In this episode of 'Don't Cut Your Own Bangs,' Danielle Ireland interviews adventurer and SDM Diving owner Eli Martinez. They discuss his unique career leading land and ocean safaris, dispelling myths about predators, and the connection between exploring the wild and self-discovery. Eli shares his journey from aspiring bull rider to renowned wildlife guide and photographer, emphasizing the therapeutic and transformative power of nature. Together, they explore how experiencing the wild fosters understanding, empathy, and personal growth. RATE, REVIEW, SUBSCRIBE TO “DON'T CUT YOUR OWN BANGS”  Like your favorite recipe or song, the best things in life are shared. When you rate, review, and subscribe to this podcast, your engagement helps me connect  with other listeners just like you. Plus, subscriptions just make life easier for everybody. It's one less thing for you to think about and you can easily keep up to date on everything that's new. So, please rate, review, and subscribe today. DANIELLE IRELAND, LCSW I greatly appreciate your support and engagement as part of the Don't Cut Your Own Bangs community. Feel free to reach out with questions, comments, or anything you'd like to share. You can connect with me at any of the links below. Connect with Eli: Book an adventure HERE - https://sdmdiving.com/ Instagram Connect with Danielle: Watch the show on YouTube Instagram The Treasured Journal Wrestling a Walrus 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest 00:13 Eli Martinez: The Adventurer's Journey 01:21 Connecting with Nature and Overcoming Fear 02:18 Building a Dream Career 05:59 Diving into the World of Sharks 12:16 The Power of Social Media and Storytelling 17:59 The Importance of Conservation and Ecotourism 21:40 Personal Growth Through Wildlife Experiences 28:40 Connecting with Nature and Self 29:07 The Lion Tracker's Guide to Life 29:38 Struggles with Anxiety and Self-Doubt 31:04 Emotional Awareness and Growth 32:00 Transformative Experiences in the Wild 35:03 Launching Shark Diver Magazine 35:55 Shifting from Magazine to Excursions 40:49 Dispelling the Predator Myth 48:28 Curiosity and Career Pivots 53:30 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Transcript Eli Martinez Podcast Interview [00:00:00] Danielle: Hello. Hello. This is Danielle Ireland and you are listening to Don't Cut Your Own Banks and Today's Guest. this has been a long time coming for me. I am so excited beyond excited to introduce Eli Martinez. Eli is an adventurer. [00:00:14] He's an explorer, he's an operator and owner of SDM Adventures. It's a group that leads land and ocean safaris. If you have ever seen these wild otherworldly images of people swimming with humpback whales, swimming with orca whales, swimming with crocodiles, swimming with anacondas. There's a good chance that you've stumbled across his images because he is one of the few, right? [00:00:42] It's a pretty small pool of people who make a living doing what he does, Images, they grab your attention, they hook your imagination. But it being on a screen, it's easy to think, well, that's so far removed from my life. what value is there in that for me? Like that's a cool image. But the internet has lots of cool images. [00:01:00] There's a couple of important distinctions and what I think makes this episode so special. What we talk about is dispelling the predator myth and my work as a therapist and his work as a safari guide. They don't seem too related, but there was one common thread that came out of this episode that it's gonna stick with me for a long time. [00:01:21] He's guiding people into the natural world to feel connected to the natural world in a deep and profound way. And when anybody sits with their emotional space. With their feelings. Feelings of discomfort, fear, terror, trauma. That's really hard to do and hard to hold. But when you do and access curiosity, you begin to tap into your true nature. [00:01:49] Your intuition, and so Eli might be talking about sharks and the deep ocean, and I might be talking about feelings, but there is a common thread in language here that makes this episode already one of my favorites. I can't wait for you to hear his story because not only is the work itself that we spent a lot of time talking about, fascinating. [00:02:10] He leads people on wildlife safaris in the ocean, on land. I mean, it's just. What a cool, amazing job. But he built that job. There wasn't an application for him to fill out. He built this from the ground up and there were stumbling blocks, missteps and pivots along the way, and he shares those with us. [00:02:30] So not only can we learn about how could I build a dream that I didn't know was possible, you also have the benefit of. Really getting a sense of what is it like, what is the value, what is the purpose? And I would argue where is the healing in connecting with the natural world, whether that's through a hike or through looking out your window. [00:02:53] And as he states a couple of times, just watch a sunset. Really watch a sunset. So I'm gonna save that. I'm gonna leave that for you there. Thank you for being here. You're gonna love this episode. Welcome, Eli Martinez. [00:03:08] [00:04:18] Danielle: Eli Martinez, thank you so much for being here with Don't cut your own bangs. [00:04:23] This is not the first time we've met, but this is the first time we've done a podcast together and I am like the little kid in me who wanted to be a marine biologist when she first knew what dolphins were. [00:04:34] This feels like just she feels so greedy with excitement to talk to someone who has made a living, being an adventure traveler and swimming with animals and interacting with animals all over the world. So I'm very excited to talk to you. [00:04:47] Eli: Actually, I was a little self-conscious about it because of, because of your background in psychology. [00:04:52] I'm like, okay, all right. where do I start? [00:04:55] Danielle: You know what? Yes. your family actually told me to schedule this podcast interview so that we could really get into what makes Eli tick. No, no, no, no, no., This is a celebration what I'm curious about personally, not just professionally working as a therapist, but I love understanding what leads people down, whatever path they end on. [00:05:16] And probably a lot of that is because I mistakenly thought during my twenties that you went through the school system. You graduate with a degree, you start working in that career, and you follow all of the steps to be a good. Citizen and that was not my path, and it was a lot more twisty and turny and there were a lot of pivots and I can see that now as of value. [00:05:43] But, in those moments where I thought I knew what I was going to be doing and life took me in a different direction, it. Knocked me down pretty hard I think there were a lot of moments where I felt like I was failing or wasn't doing it right, using air quotes of whatever it is. [00:05:59] And so someone like you who, are a storyteller, explorer, wildlife photographer, and have spent your life chasing the wild. you lead ocean and land wildlife, safaris. I love that distinction. Ocean and land, wildlife safaris. [00:06:15] There is not, you can't go to high school and then college and then just start doing what you're doing. There's no Reddit, there's no LinkedIn interview that you can fulfill to make that a career. You had to chisel that together. And so I really wanna understand that more. how you built this dream. [00:06:36] What seems from afar, like a dream life? And I'm sure it is many days, but I wanna know how you did it. [00:06:43] Eli: animals have always been like my first love, as a child, I can remember my first toys were animals. my dream as a child was to become a wildlife veterinarian. that was the only way I knew that I could actually physically be around animals that, 'cause I had no idea about wildlife guiding or photography or storytelling [00:07:05] So veterinarian was the only way I could get close to a zebra or a giraffe. And I said, that's what I want to do. So as a child, that was like that one dream that I had. And of course, life gets in the way and I went to a completely different route. I actually went to school to be a motorcycle mechanic. [00:07:23] So what? [00:07:24] Danielle: Yeah. [00:07:24] Eli: That's [00:07:25] Danielle: definitely a different route. [00:07:26] Eli: Yeah. No, it was, I fell in love with race bikes and I wanted to travel the world. look, me being a mechanic for race teams, that was my thing. I love motorcycles, but I like wrenching them. I like working on them more than I like writing them for, it's just my DNA, just how I like to be. [00:07:43] Fast forward a bunch of years, I fell in love with shark diving. I went scuba diving and on my very first. Dive. I saw a shark and it terrified me. It excited me. filled me with everything that I enjoyed about wildlife to begin with. [00:08:00] And it was coming out of the water that I realized I knew absolutely nothing about sharks. Everything I thought I knew was wrong. [00:08:09] Mm-hmm. , [00:08:10] So I, came outta the water that day and I was just completely fascinated, really obsessed with learning more about sharks. So I, I bought every book I could find. [00:08:20] I read as much as I could about them, and I just was like, I gotta get in the water with them some more. And it was on my very first, travel. I went to The Bahamas and it was on that experience is. What got me on this path that I'm on today was just like, I want to dive with sharks. I want to travel to exotic places. [00:08:41] I want to meet amazing people, [00:08:43] Danielle: How do you wait? Do okay? I, okay, so we're gonna get to the how. So you fell in love, and now it's the how, but I wanna go back. Do you remember the first shark, like in your, can you access that memory and do you know the shark? [00:08:55] I can. What was it? It was a bull shark. Oh, whoa. Okay. Yeah. that's gnarly. Yeah, that is. okay. The first shark you ever swam with was a bull shark. I don't know why that's like the one that scares me. I, I can relate. So not to put on the therapy hat for, for anything other than just, I find this so interesting that the things that scared me, I wanted to learn more about, I found endlessly interesting. [00:09:21] And when I was young it was the ocean, the deep ocean, And I really became, in the way that a suburban kid could really curious about sharks and very interested in sharks. And I would always talk about them and just rattle off a bunch of shark facts. [00:09:36] And I, as you were talking, you reminded me of the fork in the road moment where I thought. What I thought was I wanted to work with animals. What I realized was, oh, I just kinda like you love turning wrenches more than you love racing. I love learning about animals more than I want to. I'll just tell the story. [00:09:57] When I was, 13 or 14, I applied for a summer job at our Indianapolis Zoo. that really burst my bubble of what that was gonna mean. I wanted to work with animals. But I realized, I just wanted to play with the elephants. I didn't wanna do the dipping dots concession stand. [00:10:14] So there's this sense of you, you were afraid you shared that. I dove with sharks. I swam with a bull shark. I came outta the water. I was afraid and then fascinated. is that something there, is that like a theme for you that you feel a jolt or a rush and then you wanna understand that rush more? [00:10:31] Possibly, [00:10:32] Eli: it was just more of like, when I saw the shark, I had two primal instincts, which was, one was to follow it. And the other was to get outta the water. That was just like those two conflicting feelings that was going through me. [00:10:46] And the, when I was, I ran out of air really quick 'cause it was actually my very first ocean dive. [00:10:51] Okay. So I was sitting on the surface, the dive master sent me up to the surface by myself, which is crazy. And when I think about it, man, I didn't know anything I was doing. I'm just looking down. [00:11:01] I'm just like, really worried the shark is gonna come up and get me 'cause I'm on the surface. And that's all I knew. I always knew. I knew the jaw story. I knew a little, just very small snippets of information on sharks and Yeah. And it was completely opposite of what was happening. the shark wanted nothing to do with us. [00:11:17] It tried to avoid us completely. [00:11:18] Danielle: Yeah. [00:11:19] Eli: Got out of the water and then the whole way back to port, I was just like, okay. He didn't come after us. He didn't want anything to do with this. [00:11:28] Like, why? and it was that moment that was just like, after that I got out of the water, I'm like, okay. I gotta know. I gotta know. yeah. [00:11:36] Danielle: what you thought you knew, conflicted with what you experienced, and you were trying to understand that more. [00:11:42] Eli: Right. [00:11:43] Danielle: That's really interesting. I can relate to that. I honestly think that's a big thread of what led me to therapy. I wanted to understand my internal experience more. And I think there's, steps of you're introduced to a concept and then you embody the concept. [00:11:57] you're no longer having to consciously think about it, but really mastery when you're able to teach. And so I think in many ways I wanted to understand that enough to help others, but it began through my own experience and my own curiosity. so I feel like I should mention, How I got connected with you. [00:12:16] I think social media gets a bad rap. it gets a lot of bad press, but thank God for social media. it was in 2012 or 13 and I was watching Shark Week because you always gotta be watching Shark Week. [00:12:27] I was watching Shark Week and the whole episode I was watching was, they were trying to see could large species sharks experience the same temporary paralysis as smaller or baby sharks when they're flipped upside down for study? And I was, of course they're doing all of these great cuts, is it gonna work? [00:12:43] Who knows? Is it gonna work? And of course, they're gonna end it with it working, you're on the edge of your seat. what are they gonna do? What are they gonna do? And they showed a clip of you with a tiger shark in The Bahamas and you were like hand feeding it. And then you stimulated the and you correct me with all the science terms, but you were like stimulating the sout and it just put it in this little trance and then you just tipped it upright. [00:13:06] You just, it stood vertical and you held it just, a shark, a tiger shark. Yeah. I don't know. Was like 16 feet, 15 feet, something like that. [00:13:15] Eli: Possibly. yeah. Anyway, it [00:13:17] Danielle: blew my mind and I think I just made a post about it. I took a picture of my tv. I was like, my mind is blown. [00:13:24] And then some weeks later you commented, thanks so much for the shout out. And that was one of those first moments. That really connected with oh, you can actually connect with the people who were doing things that you think is cool. it just, it really bridged this gap. And then once, of course, I found out what you and your family, 'cause it's a family band, it's like a whole, it's the whole family involved on these excursions. [00:13:46] But as soon as I made that connection, my husband and I signed up to, swim with Whale Sharks with you and your wife, and your son and your daughter. So that's just, I feel like I gotta give credit to, the algorithm and the innerwebs for making that possible. 'cause I don't know if I would've even thought that was a possibility. [00:14:05] Eli: Oh, that's, thanks for sharing that. I, man, that story just,, [00:14:09] Danielle: mm-hmm. [00:14:10] Eli: Wow. Just flooded with memory with that little piece. [00:14:13] Danielle: Yeah, it was, [00:14:14] When I set out to write a book, I only knew two things. One was I wanted to make big feelings, feel less scary and more approachable, and I wanted to bring some lightness to the feelings themselves. What I know to be true as a therapist is that emotions are energy in motion. They have information to tell you to inform the next right step to take and self-doubt, fear, anxiety, live in that space between knowing and not knowing. [00:14:38] The second thing I knew was that I wanted to have fun in the process of making. This thing. The result is this wrestling a walrus for little people with big feelings, beautifully illustrated children's book that has a glossary at the end for some of the bigger feeling words. What this story does in a light and loving way is create context for those relationships. [00:14:58] You can't change those people that you wish would treat you different. The things in life that we cannot control and yet we face that are hard. This book, it's a conversation starter for any littles in your life. Who want to create more safety and love and patience for some of those experiences. So hop one over to the show notes. [00:15:16] You can pick it up@amazon.com, barge de noble.com or my website. I hope that you do because I believe in this little book. I freaking love this little book, and I cannot wait to hear your experience with it. Thanks so much for listening and get back to the episode. [00:15:29] Eli: those are fun, fun shows to do. and there's definitely a lot of benefits to social media, I think. I think it's a great tool. It's a great servant, A terrible master. [00:15:41] That's the best way I can describe it. said. yeah, it is just, there's so many benefits to, connecting with people on the other side of the world to learning about unique places, to learning unique things. it's been one of my most important tools when finding new places for wildlife. [00:15:58] but on the flip side, there's sometimes there's just too much information out there and too much because of it. it's made life difficult for wildlife, difficult for kids, difficult for, it's just. It can be too much. And that's the only downside [00:16:14] Danielle: it's like, how we engage with it. It's an extension of how we are showing up with it, what we're looking for, what interests us. [00:16:21] what I love about how you show up there and how your family shows up there with images is it really, I think, highlights How we operate. we look first and then we listen second. And so you'll capture these images or these videos that seem other worldly and it catches your attention enough. [00:16:43] And if you can hold that attention enough, and it probably helps that your message is consistent of conservation, understanding, connecting with nature. when you can capture someone's attention with an image, just what happened with me? [00:16:56] And then you can maybe engage in a dialogue . And it actually leads me to something, that you mentioned. Something I caught from your website that I really liked this language, that when people experience the wild, they understand and when they understand they care. [00:17:12] And that sounds much like the experience you had swimming with the bull shark. But I wanna know more about that because you, not only through, your media outlets and the content you put out, but you are handholding, you're guiding people into the water or in, ocean and land safaris. [00:17:31] And I wanna understand more about this concept 'cause I think it's true of emotions too. If you can't articulate what you're feeling, then when people don't have language for what they're experiencing, they usually shut down and collapse or they explode with rage. it's gotta go somewhere. [00:17:46] And so when you can create context and language, you also create safety. it seems like with what you're guiding people through, you want them to understand and so that they care. yeah, tell me more. [00:17:59] Eli: Yeah, that has a lot to do with just experiences being out in nature. [00:18:04] I think nature is probably one of the best doctors on the planet. first and foremost, I think that people being around wildlife, people being in the ocean, people being in the wilderness, it replenishes your soul. It recharges your batteries. I think it just makes you a better person. [00:18:21] it's through these connections and meeting wildlife and having people go out there in the wild and see these places and see these animals and they come back and they tell stories, they tell their friends. [00:18:31] And hopefully it's through those kind of connections that, [00:18:36] Conservation comes out of, like at the end of the day, the animals win. That's what you're hoping for is for the animals to win because these are voiceless souls on our planet that share this world with us. and without these people, without these experiences, they're completely vulnerable for lack of better words, to bigger business, to sadly going away, for lack of better words. [00:18:56] Danielle: I think one of the biggest problems that animals have is that they are second class citizens on our planet that we share. And unfortunately, we're seeing our wild places disappear. alarmingly fast, and it's, I think that conservation ecotourism are probably the only tools left that are going to save, what's left of our wild places, what's left of our wildlife, Let's try to get some people on your wildlife safaris. What would be, so if someone's listening who has maybe like me, just from a television screen or from a social media account, wondered, that would be cool, but that could never work for me. I could never do something like that. [00:19:40] That it just, when you're. Physical reality or even your mental reality feels so removed from the wild world. we live in boxed rooms and we're so connected with screens and, my wildlife outside my window is squirrels, cardinals. [00:19:58] Eli: That's perfect. [00:19:58] Danielle: So how would you speak life into someone saying yes to an adventure and where do they begin? [00:20:07] Eli: Oh man. I think it really, first and foremost, it all comes down to your comfort level. I think that there's so many ways for people to reconnect with nature, whether it's hiking, whether it's biking, whether it's going to the beach for the day, watching a sunset. [00:20:23] Just watching a sunset is so powerful. I think it's so important. I don't think we do it enough. I think that is probably the simplest way to remember that you are a part of something bigger and as simple as it sounds, it is so important. now watching a sunset in an amazing place is even 10 times better. [00:20:42] It's that much more powerful. just, trying to reconnect with nature, I think the important part to remind people that yes. The earth is here. She is alive and she breathes and she's got a heartbeat every day. And I think that sunset is her heartbeat. [00:20:55] and it's a great way to see it. [00:20:57] Danielle: I just saw, I think it was nasa, release some footage of a particular, some type of lens on a satellite that was able to actually detect a pulse on the earth. [00:21:08] Like the earth has a heartbeat, but I'm sure the more sciencey people have another way of explaining it. but that it caught my attention. And that feels just right on par with what you're saying when the heart space and the head space connect, I think that's where magic happens. [00:21:22] Like when you can believe it in your mind, but then you experience it in your body, that is, powerful. I think everybody needs to have an experience like getting into the deep ocean or going out into the wild nature. I really think everybody should have that in their life at least once. [00:21:40] But I wanna share a little bit about what my experience was like , with, um, you and your wife swimming with winter parks, because it was there was so much momentum for me built up into what I thought that experience was gonna be because from the time I understood. Little mermaid, Disney to the time I, could name the dolphin body parts and thought that's what I wanted to be like this, there was so much emotional charge and I'm gonna go in the water and I'm gonna swim and it's gonna be great. [00:22:11] And I just had this idea that I'm gonna connect with this shark. We're gonna make eye contact and it's gonna, we're gonna just be on the same vibe. so many expectations that I never expressed, but they were all there. I was, probably trying to keep it cool. But, no,the reality it, the i'll, I will just to skip to the end, the reality far exceeds whatever I imagine. [00:22:31] the first day was me reconciling what I thought it would be and what it really was. Getting on a little charter boat going way out in the middle of the gulf and. Then, I think sturgeon were spawning and that was what was drawing the sharks. And so it made visibility like all of these little eggs were refracting light. [00:22:51] So it was this very sparkly, but also sometimes visibility was funky. And the thing that I couldn't wrap my head around was from the boat. You could look out at the water and see, I don't know, a dozen whale sharks at any given time, but then you get in the water and adrenaline hits and I don't know where they are. [00:23:13] I can't see them. It's just having very little to no experience in the deep water. That was such a jolt and a shock to my system. and then being in the water with an animal, 20 feet, 25 feet, 30 feet long, My nervous system just didn't know how to compute. it was so much, I don't think I'd ever been that tired, ever. [00:23:37] Just, it took so much outta me. And then, day 2, 3, 4, each day got a little easier 'cause I had a better idea of what to expect. And also I didn't, you're covered in fish eggs, you're culvert in fish eggs. So the, the imagination that I would become this mermaid this other worldly creature and have this like soul bond with a whale shark, it wasn't that. [00:23:59] But the real life experience was incredible too. But I just, I don't, and I guess I don't really know where I'm leading with the question, but how do you see when having guided so many people through these moments? Like for somebody who's thinking about. Possibly planning an experience like that? [00:24:20] Like what, how do you prepare what would be good for someone to prepare for what that is like? [00:24:26] Eli: Wow, man. it's so different for everybody. it's just, valid. [00:24:30] Danielle: Valid. Then everybody maybe wants to be [00:24:32] Eli: Yeah. there's a few that want to be mermaids for sure on our trips. I'm not gonna lie. [00:24:38] but yeah, it's just really these animals the whale shark is a great, I call 'em, they're like gateway animals into a bigger world because, when it comes to seeing orcas and whales and of all different species and sharks, a whale shark is possibly, [00:24:55] It's a great ambassador for the species because they're a harmless species. They're just like big giant catfish floating on the surface. and it's a wonderful animal for someone of all ages to experience. it really is, [00:25:10] the whale shark, and I don't know if you had man rays on your trip as well, because Sometimes they show up every other year. The man ray is another, ocean angel. they're just, they're just, the perfect animal for people, for if you wanna. [00:25:24] Experience the ocean. If you wanna experience what life is like in the ocean, in a Disney way, that is the perfect animal to do it with. It's just very safe. it's a phenomenal, way to decide if, you know what? I would like to do more of things like this, or, this was perfect, this was enough. [00:25:43] You know, [00:25:45] Danielle: I wanna go back to something, something that you wrote that I really liked. that reminded me. [00:25:50] Even though we are talking about safari, we're talking about adventure, we're talking about animals, I think the more specific we become in a way, the more universal it becomes. And this quote made me think about a lot of the stuff that you write, it's a Mark Twain quote that travel is fatal to prejudice. [00:26:09] once you see something, you can't unsee something. I wanna speak to the, Why beyond conservation? if I'm not connected to nature, if I'm not connected to animals and I've got enough going on in my life, that conservation, cool, I'm glad someone's taking care of it, but that's not my focus. [00:26:29] What would be a personal selfish reason that would be maybe a call to action that you like? What would be the invitation for somebody individually, not globally, not, for any other reason, like why it could change your life to jump into the deep or get in a Jeep with no top and go drive out to a pride of lions. [00:26:55] what is the reason that you could articulate why somebody should do that? [00:27:00] Eli: I think the wildlife is, they're reminders of where we all came from. we were all of us in our DNA, if you look at the generations of people that have lived on this planet, at some point we were all part of that. We were all out there. [00:27:18] there wasn't this separation between us and our wild places. whether it was the ocean, whether it was a jungle. some of our ancestors had to deal with bears in their front porch. some of our ancestors had to deal with lions walking through camp. [00:27:34] that's something that we have either. Blocked out or forgotten. Obviously we've forgotten just because of generations of separation from it. But we are all part of that. We are all part of this world. beyond our cars and our homes and our clothes, we are part of nature a hundred percent. [00:27:55] We've forgotten this. And I think these are great reminders to remind us, Hey, this is where we all come from. This is, we're not separated from these things. we are very much a part of these things. And if anything, there are so many species that, although they're no longer, relevant in our world, they're so important for our world, not only as reminders, but as part of this giant balance, because we're all connected in some way, in some form. [00:28:23] we're all for lack of better, we're all one. And I think it's important. To remind people that, like we, we need to stay connected. We need to protect these animals because, they're much a part of this earth as we are. and we have to remind people that they're there yeah, that, that's, [00:28:44] This is our home. This is their home. This is our home. [00:28:47] Danielle: And I also, what I'm hearing too, it's they, when you're in communion with nature, you become more in touch with, or in tune with your own natural rhythm, your own self. There's, you might actually, know him or, 'cause I would imagine the community, like the pool you're in terms of career is probably small, I'm just guessing. [00:29:07] But, Boyd Verdi, he's from South Africa, he wrote The Lion Tracker's Guide to Life He has a property in South Africa called Alose. It was a game preserved. Okay. Yeah. Yes, I, and but his work in that book is basically teaching people to track wild animals, helps them become more in touch with the rhythms of nature. [00:29:29] And by, not by default, but through becoming more in tune with tracking nature, you, your track, like your path. So I think so many of the clients I attract are struggling with anxiety, depression, and burnout. And I think a lot of the confusion and self doubt and, head trash is also rooted in, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. [00:29:54] It's that maybe they don't articulate it like that, but it's experienced that way of just, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. As opposed to, I wanna know what I'm called to do. I wanna know what I'm meant to do or what I want to do. my dog never questions when she's hungry, when she's tired, like she is completely embodied because she doesn't have this giant brain getting in her way of everything. [00:30:19] And I love hearing you talk about the more in tune you are with nature, you are reminded that you are nature too. [00:30:27] Eli: it's it's so important for people to stay connected to nature and it's getting worse. I think it's just part of I. [00:30:35] Part of what I feel is that they're completely pulling us away from it. I think that unhealthy feeling, I remember having it as a growing up. I remember there was many times where I didn't know what I wanted to do. I didn't know, what my calling was but I always just, I remember standing there and just looking around saying, something's wrong. [00:31:00] I don't belong here. [00:31:01] Danielle: that's something's wrong. the language I like to use. with clients is, that's usually what gets people into an appointment with me first. It's when I say it's like your smoke detector's going off. 'cause your smoke detector can't tell the difference between burning toast or bacon and a fire in some part of your house, but it's just beeping 'cause it senses smoke, something's wrong. [00:31:20] And so I think a lot of times getting that emotional awareness or that clarity starts with something's wrong and then you sit with that. But then the discomfort, it's like I think about that story with you and the bull shark the first time it's, I either need to chase it and funnel down with it or I need to run away from it. [00:31:40] And I think that tension is what happens every time we hit a big emotion or a fork in the road or we're at a growth edge, we're about to change. but I think that is the. Following the path of curiosity is almost always what leads you down to some new sense of understanding, about yourself or the world. [00:32:00] I wanna, do you have, of all of the experiences you've led other people through, do you have It could be one, it could be more than one, it might even be with a member of your family, but have you seen, like shifts happen in people that just observed? 'cause I have over the years seen many powerful shifts happen in sessions, but it's such an intimate thing, but where you're out in the wild with someone, are there any moments that stand out to you of just being like, whoa, this person is different, or this person is really having an experience here? [00:32:35] Eli: Yeah. I have this one gentleman who. would do adventures. he would do travel on his own, and then he went on one of our trips a very successful, businessman. and I could see that this was just something he was doing for like, and that's interesting. [00:32:54] [00:32:54] Danielle: on [00:32:54] Eli: That's so interesting. Yeah. He was, he was on the trip And he was there to experience the animal, but it was almost like a science project, it wasn't like it was super into the animal. Like he was intellectualizing it. he was, it was like, it wasn't like [00:33:11] a bucket list. It was like, okay, I'm on this journey of I'm gonna photograph wildlife. Now, I've been photographing these other things and I'm gonna photograph wildlife now. we went out there, he had the experience and it was almost like this. [00:33:25] Yeah. You could feel the shift of just now I get it. oh, I got a goosebump thinking about it. Yeah. it was like now. Okay, okay. You know, it was, it was, [00:33:35] Danielle: it was like his body, like it kicked on. [00:33:38] Eli: Yeah. something inside him came alive [00:33:41] And it was just like more. And it was a completely different, more than when he first started and it was something [00:33:47] Danielle: beside him came alive. That gave me chills. I almost wonder if it's the distinction of when you were describing a sunset, like the difference between driving in your car and you're getting somewhere as the sun happens to be going down and you're doing a million other things versus watching a sunset and taking it in. [00:34:08] So not being just a passive observer, but being a present participant in the moment. [00:34:14] Eli: Yeah. Purposely trying to watch, I'm going to this spot because I want to see the sunset, or I'm gonna, I'm gonna stop to put my phone down and I'm gonna watch the sunset. Even if you take your phone, you know you're watching it through your phone as you wanna record it, because that's what we do now. [00:34:31] just that act alone of purposely trying to do that is significant. It is life changing to sometimes for some people. [00:34:38] Danielle: That's awesome. that was a really good answer. I wanna hear a little bit more. So I was circling back, you were starting to connect how that first dive, you were scuba diving, you saw the bull shark, you were swimming up to the surface, and then you almost started to shift to how that led you down this path. [00:34:57] I wanna go back to that and maybe if I could jump forward a little bit more in your story. You created Shark Diver Magazine in 2003, and you said you had 25 publications and then it really, the business model really shifted to your excursions. I wanna know more about, deciding to launch a magazine that sounds so ambitious, 25. [00:35:21] me trying to put a blog out sometimes feels like a real effort. but 25 publications is no small thing. And then you shifted it to excursions. it's one thing to do something yourself as a hobbyist or as an enthusiast, but you're leading people with all varying degrees of experience. [00:35:40] Some people that wanna be, mermaids and you're leading all types of people from all over the world on these trips and you're dealing with a lot of personalities. I would love to know more about how you made that shift from the magazine into leading your safaris. [00:35:55] Eli: Yeah, it was, so I started the magazine, in 2003. I didn't know anything about publishing. I didn't know anything about photography. I didn't know. Anybody in the business. And I had never really written anything outside of my journals before. [00:36:14] Danielle: So it was just like, I am, I'm so excited by this. [00:36:16] You're like, I am gonna build a rocket ship, but I don't have an engineering degree. I don't understand the mechanics. and I've never flown on a plane, but I'm gonna build a rocket ship. [00:36:25] Eli: what I did. Yeah. So I just, I went all in. I've always had a love affair with magazines as far as, any sport that I was into. [00:36:34] Had a magazine dedicated to it with mountain biking, surfing, rock climbing, scuba diving. but there was nothing dedicated to shark diving. And that's the area that I fell in love with. And I said, here's my, and I really was trying to find. A vehicle. And a way to get into the industry, to make a name for myself, coming from Landlock, Texas. [00:36:54] there was, this was my way in. This was an opportunity. And this is all pre-social media, so it was all from scratch and trying to create this business. And, yeah, we did it for eight years. I published 25 issues and it was a lot of fun. And it was, a lot of laying in bed going, what the hell did I do? [00:37:14] Why did I do this to myself? And, this is crazy. And it was fueled by also, I, the first pub, the first magazine I came out with, a family friend. I overheard him in the distance, say I wonder if it's gonna be around in a year. And that, so I wrote those words down and I put it in my office. [00:37:36] and that, inspired me to make it to the first year it was a, and then after that, I made it to the second and the third. it was just this labor of love. This, chance for me to tell stories, chance for me to share this world with people. [00:37:50] because, when I first started and when I was looking through the books, it really felt like, , a, a club. And it really felt more like a researcher's club more than anything else. It was like, the guys who had access to all these amazing places were usually the scientists, the shark scientists, the shark researchers. [00:38:06] And it really didn't feel like it was open to guys like me. And so this is the world that I wanted to create. I wanted to create a world where it was open to. Sharks were accessible to the world. And that's what I wanted to do with this magazine. and what I wanted to do with my storytelling is invite everybody who was really interested in sharks like myself and help them find places where they could dive with these animals and read stories from fellow people like myself that were not all scientists, we're not all research. [00:38:36] yeah. So that was the idea. That was what I really wanted to do when I started the magazine. And then, trying to get advertisers to be interested in us when we had zero subscribers and no real history, and it was just like, mm-hmm. That was an impossible feat. So I don't know where I came up with the idea. [00:38:54] Somebody either shared that idea with me or I was doing my research. I just decided to try to organize, oh, I know what it was. It was one of my potential sponsors asking me to organize a trip. And that's what started the opportunities is it's a great way to raise money. [00:39:12] If I can get people to travel with us, we can use that money to help publish the magazine. Yeah. And that's what the first trips were. So May I ran our first expedition to North Carolina for Sand Tiger Sharks in May of 2003. So that first year coming out of the box, we, we brought some people and we just started doing that. [00:39:32] So from the first year we organized those trips, and then we just, it just kept going. and it was, and it ended up being the way I funded the magazine for the first eight years. I didn't, after that I really didn't chase sponsors very much because I just didn't like, I'd go to a travel show. [00:39:48] And then we, and. It would be, I would end up being that magazine guy that's just trying to get money from me. Yeah. And I didn't like that feeling at all. So I just said, you know what, I don't need to do this. this is what the trips are about. It's reader sponsored, and I can do whatever I want with a magazine. [00:40:04] I can tell the stories the way I want to tell 'em. and so that's what I did. [00:40:08] Danielle: I think because we've all been sold so many different times through so many different channels, it's like you can feel it when it's coming at you. [00:40:15] And nobody likes that. So it's just so much this is what it is, this is what we're doing, this is what I like. gosh, having come from different sales backgrounds and have family and my husband who's in sales, it's like when a sale happens, you're really just offering information. [00:40:31] It's I don't, my guess is you're not selling people ongoing on your trips, right? People are already interested. You're giving them the information and then that's when they say yes. But you're not going out selling people on doing it. I feel like I'm trying to do that for you. 'cause I just think more people need to do it. [00:40:46] You are very intentionally not doing that. I want to acknowledge the predator myth, I found it really interesting that you were passionate about dispelling the predator myth. I wanna understand that better because obviously we all know how sharks are portrayed. [00:41:01] we've seen all those things. but I think the ocean, deep ocean and what we fear in the ocean, it correlates to emotions, big, uncomfortable feelings. I don't think it's called a therapy myth, but there has to be something terribly wrong to seek that type of help or seek that type of guidance. [00:41:20] and I wanna know more in your world, in your space, what is the predator myth and what do you want people to know? [00:41:28] Eli: Oh, for me its exactly what I was brought up believing about sharks is just that, sharks are mindless monsters and they're just out to get you. [00:41:37] And the moment you step in the ocean, there's gonna be a shark down there. And, I've heard this. My entire life that, oh, I'll never jump off a boat into the ocean because there's just sharks waiting. [00:41:47] Danielle: [00:41:47] Eli: me, and it's completely opposite. I really wish that if I just went out into the ocean, jumped off a boat and there'd be a bunch of sharks there, it's just not the reality. [00:41:58] It takes so much work to find these animals. It takes a lot of effort and usually the people That get lucky and say, oh look, there's a great white under my boat. they're the ones who don't wanna see sharks. the people that wanna see sharks like a great white under their boat, never get to see a great white under their boat. [00:42:15] that's just the way nature works. But, yeah, for me it was more about, trying to help people pass this prejudice, pass this belief system that is ingrained in us, that's actually probably ingrained in our DNA [00:42:27] So it's very much ingrained in all of us from the beginning. And the more I understood sharks, the more I wanted to get rid of that stigma as best I could. Yeah. I started doing a lot of, Talks at schools and helping kids with, sharing, what I know about sharks, and I've through the years, really figured out what works and what doesn't. [00:42:48] And I used to show pictures of sharks and try to get people to dispel their fear with just a picture of shark, but in their mind, it's still a shark. [00:42:57] But when I started sharing videos of myself with a shark in my arms and giving a back rub and rolling them upside down and just, like a shark sticking his face between my knees so I could scratch his back. [00:43:10] and showing these kids these images and showing these kids that, this other side, and you could see it, you see it in the teachers. they're just like, wait. Mm-hmm. Wait, what? Wait, what? It's like you wake them up, you wake up something primal in them and say, wait, that's possible. [00:43:24] Danielle: yes. That you just said it, 'cause I think that you don't have to prove to someone what you're saying is true, but what you're showing them is it's possible. I think it's when you don't believe it's possible, that's when people freeze or shut down or wanna give up or stop. [00:43:39] And it's when we're afraid we want control, we want contracts, we want guarantees, we want promises, we need something ironclad. But, there is no guarantee. But knowing that, there's something possible that's really, yeah. I feel that really deeply. Yeah. you're igniting possibility in people. [00:43:58] It, you also just reminded me too, I love Leopard Sharks. I've never swam with them, but, I love leopard Sharks and I feel like that. That shark more than any other, you see them almost act like little dogs, like just anyone listening, just Google videos of like leopard shark pups. And they swear, they just act like dogs. [00:44:14] So cute down. They're beautiful. What is the, what do you think is the biggest gap in our understanding of not just predators, but marine life, wildlife? what's our biggest gap in understanding? [00:44:29] Eli: I think it's disconnect. like you said earlier, it's, oh, I'm glad somebody out there is doing it. [00:44:34] that kind of thing. It's it's not for me. I got too many things I'm doing in my life, my life is a mess, Lack of empathy for something. and that has to do with disconnect because it's more of, it's talking about the shark, [00:44:46] it's one thing to talk about, it's another thing for people to see it. And, in them, me, roll the tiger. just like open that up in your mind, the fascination in your mind of oh wow, like I didn't even know this was a thing. Or if it's even possible. And that's what I've tried to do [00:45:01] predators and with crocodiles and anacondas and all the other animals that I dive with is just showing the other side of these animals and, their place in the world And how important they are. And it's not just, when we jump in the water with an anaconda and if, people are so surprised to know that it's. [00:45:18] the Anaconda is terrified and all he's trying to do is hide from us. So you're looking at a 18 foot, 20 foot long snake. the moment I jump in the water and he's just like, where do I hide? it's like he's completely terrified of my presence. [00:45:32] [00:45:32] Danielle: the crocodile, those images just, everyone should visit Eli's, social media channels as soon as you, you stop listening to this episode, just go scroll through and look. But the crocodile one, those, late night scrolling, when I see one of those images that stops me in my tracks, and I thought I was pretty open-minded with nature, but man, that, that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. [00:45:54] That's wild. [00:45:56] Eli: I used to say Crocs of the new Sharks. Okay, sure. I feel that makes sense. So yeah, because for years, right? when I started the magazine in 2003, it was still Steve Irwin. Mm-hmm. The late great Steve Irwin was still diving with Tiger Sharks in a cage. [00:46:11] on his show, he was showing, that diving with them in a cage. so for years they're like,it's impossible to dive with tigers outside of a cage. Then, in The Bahamas and Fiji, they're diving with tigers outside the cage and they're like, you can do it during the day, but you can't do it at night. [00:46:27] So we started diving with tigers at night, and then they're like, you can do that with a tiger, but you can't do it with a great white. Yeah, we're diving outside the cage with great whites. And so, I mean, it was just like, well, you could do it with sharks, but you can't do it with crocodiles. [00:46:39] Danielle: You're right. You're right. It's the same prejudice, just moving into a different face. [00:46:44] Eli: Right. Oh, interesting. The same thing with orcas too. Like you can, when they're like, you can't swim with an orca. we started swimming with orcas and then, you can do it with these, but you can't do it with the pelagic orcas because, they're a lot more aggressive and they eat sea lions. [00:46:56] And so we're diving with those species too. it's just they're always trying to find, and it's usually people who don't swim with these animals that are creating the ideas that people believe, [00:47:07] Danielle: you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So it's like the people that aren't the mechanics or the one trying to pump the brakes. [00:47:12] Um, I, so I saw on your social media just this morning that you said the duck bill platypus is your unicorn. Yes. That was, it wasn't intended to be a question, but I have to ask, why is the Depa plat picture your unicorn [00:47:24] Eli: as a kid? I, that was one of the first most exotic animals I had ever seen. [00:47:31] Danielle: Yeah. [00:47:31] Eli: This book in second grade, that I read about the platypus and it was, the fact that it lays eggs and that it's got a duck bill and it looks like a beaver, but it's not. and it was just a fascination was born in that moment. And it was something that like, I have to see this animal. [00:47:50] Like I just have to, so it's always been, it's been my unicorn. I have, I'm ashamed to say I've never been to Australia. [00:47:57] But as soon as I do, that is like task number one. I gotta see a platypus like this. Okay. [00:48:03] Danielle: that was gonna be my follow up question because I embarrassingly don't know where the poses live. So I was gonna ask you where would one, find one. Okay. So Australia. Perfect. I actually think there's a couple of Australian listeners. I don't know where in Australia. I just see this map and wherever it's highlighted that shows where people have downloaded episodes. [00:48:20] So anyone in Australia don't miss your opportunity to catch a platypus because Eli's gonna come snap some photos. Okay. So we're nearing the end and I'm really excited to lay out the don't cut your own bangs moment with you. 'cause I have a feeling you probably have too many that could just fill up its own episode. [00:48:41] But I would love to know what a don't cut your own bang moment is for you. [00:48:45] Eli: I spent a big part of my youth trying to become a professional bull writer growing up in Texas. What. [00:48:57] Danielle: Okay. Okay. This is good. This is already, this is already one of the top two. Okay. Go on. [00:49:01] Eli: So I wanted to be a world champion bull rider. [00:49:04] I ate, drank, dream, slept, dreamed bull riding. I was in love with the sport. [00:49:09] And it was during, I was working on my pro permit when I cracked my hip at a show and I gave myself three months to heal. And it was during that time, one of my best friends got a scuba diving certification and he was telling me about it. [00:49:25] So I had three months off. So I took the time to get my scuba certification. [00:49:30] Danielle: After I got scuba certified, I went, I just wanna, I just wanna put a brief pause. So your time off was actually you healing a fractured hip. You weren't. Oh, okay. So in your off time with a fractured hip, you got your scuba certification? [00:49:45] Eli: Yes, exactly. Okay. Okay. Cool. Okay, go on, go on. [00:49:51] So it was on that, on that bowl that I, when I cracked my hip, I got, I got scuba certified. I went to Kmel, I saw a shark. I came back from that adventure. I was, I went to my next rodeo and I was behind the chutes. And I fell off my bowl and all I had, I usually would throw a fit. When I would buck off, I would just, so angry at myself. [00:50:15] But off, after that ride, I was behind the chutes and I had Caribbean music, blue water, white sand sharks floating through my mind. I was like, I'm done. I'm going shark diving. And, so not becoming a professional bull rider was the best thing that never happened to me. [00:50:34] Danielle: Oh, that is so, that is good. [00:50:39] And I feel like those, those moments, that perspective is unfortunately earned in hindsight. It's so hard to trust in those moments when you're down with a fractured hip or saying goodbye to an old dream, feeling like you're starting over. That is hard. I mean, in your magazine was that too? But you can even see now in the full expression of what your business is, how learning to tell stories, learning to create a narrative, learning to take images and then not just take images that are clear and focus, but that are also telling a visual story. [00:51:18] And you've passed that on to your daughter who, she's a wildlife photographer in the making. I mean she is and is continuing to be, but it's like all of those steps. But it's, all of those things led to the next thing, but I think it only could have, because you followed the curiosity as opposed to maybe drowning in what you were losing. [00:51:41] You allowed yourself to become curious about where you wanted to go. And I think that's a really remarkable quality. That's a good, that's a great emotionally resilient quality. [00:51:52] Eli: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, thanks. I just, uh, yeah. It was, it was, that was a huge chunk of my life that I just I gave up, but it felt right. [00:52:02] It felt right. And it was just like, that's why I think maybe that. Let's see if he's still around in a year. Doing that came from just because I was like, okay, he is gonna be a bull rider now. He is gonna be a shark diver. [00:52:15] Danielle: Yes. my background was on ballroom dance. I taught, before that I did commercial acting. [00:52:20] my plan was to move to la I had a very similar, about face, very big pivot and started teaching ballroom dance. Did that for about seven years. And I just felt that pressure where I'm about to grow outta my shell. I knew it was not this, but I wasn't crystal clear on what that was. [00:52:38] I just knew not this. And so little step by little step, I found my way in grad school and I was, about 11 years older than every other person in that particular class when I decided to switch careers and do what I'm doing now. But yeah, I always appreciate when people can share those moments like that. [00:52:58] 'cause I think what I'm doing is trying to build up a bank of stories that would've comforted those versions of me that was just so terrified about to do something new. . [00:53:08] This was so exciting. Thank you for being here. I'm excited for everybody to, check out your account, look at all your images, sign up for a trip, just take the leap, put a deposit down on an adventure. [00:53:22] Just scroll through. Pick an animal that terrifies you and just say yes to that one. I can't wait for everybody to hear this. Awesome. Thank you so much. [00:53:30] Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode of Don't Cut Your Own Bangs. I hope that you enjoyed it as much as I did recording it, because this in so many ways was a dream come true if you couldn't tell by the episode itself. I wanna leave you with , a quote that I pulled from Eli that was said in the episode, but really is the heart of what this episode is, as well as what I hope to bring to every episode. [00:53:55] When people experience the wild, they understand and when they understand they care If you replace the wild with the self. When people experience the self, they understand and when they understand they care. The more I understand my own emotional landscape, the more equipped and empowered I feel to navigate it. [00:54:22] The more empathetic, the more compassionate, the more connected I feel with the people in my life. The people who I believe have wronged me with my past. I feel more hopeful for my future. That connection to the self, our essential self or nature, the natural world around us is I think what makes us unique in the experience we get to have on this planet. [00:54:47] So if you haven't already decided you're gonna book your adventure, this might be your call. Whether that adventure is outside your window looking at a sunset, [00:54:58] but I want that for you. I want that for me, and I think we all deserve to have that kind of magic. We can make it if we want it. Thank you for tuning in this week. I look forward to catching you next time, and as always, I hope you continue to have a wonderful day. [00:55:11]  

In Part One, Brian walks us through the pivotal moments that shaped his path—from coming out as a college athlete to confronting power structures as a civil rights lawyer. He shares how being raised by military parents shaped his moral compass, how football taught him about leadership under pressure, and why he believes his queerness has made him a better, sharper advocate. This is the story of a public servant forged in fire—and not afraid to stay loud.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Day Job and the Gay Job“There was work I did to earn a living. And work I did to sleep at night.”Brian's legal path wasn't linear—it was moral. Disability law by day, LGBTQ+ advocacy by choice. The real career came when he fused both.Feminist Lawyer at Age 12“I told people I wanted to be a feminist lawyer… before I even knew what that fully meant.”His mother's defiance of gender roles shaped more than his politics. It gave him a framework for justice—before he ever came out.Raised by a Combat Nurse with a Crew Cut“She probably got accused of being a lesbian once a week in the military. It didn't harden her—it strengthened her.”Growing up with two military parents meant discipline and love. But it was his mother's quiet power that taught him to be an upstander, not a bystander.Coming Out—and Coming Into Power“My teammates waited until they knew I'd be safe to ask me if I was gay.”Brian's coming out wasn't loud—it was supported. That emotional safety net shaped how he now builds space for others.From Closet to Capitol“Eight months before I took office, I knew I was the only out person in the room. But I also knew I wasn't the only one.”Brian didn't just fight for LGBTQ+ rights—he stood up for racial justice, reproductive rights, and equality as a full strategy. Being gay got him elected. Being an ally kept him effective._______________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Brian Sims --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

Taiwo Oyeniyi shares his journey from aspiring aeronautical engineer to chemical engineering, and eventually transitioning into software engineering. Discover how his background in chemistry and math played a vital role in his successful pivot into tech. Taiwo discusses the challenges, learning curves, and key skills that aided his transition, as well as the importance of open-mindedness and critical thinking in both careers. Learn about his experiences at companies like Goldman Sachs, Fight Metric (UFC), and Distrobird, and his eventual move to a leadership role in technology.▬▬▬▬▬ Resources ▬▬▬▬▬Taiwo Oyeniyi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taiwo-o-15b37b14/Alon Cohen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alon-cohen-31b26b/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cacklemedia/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cacklemediaX: https://x.com/CackleMediaLLCYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CackleMediaLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cacklemedia/Support the pod when signing up for Descript / SquadCast: https://get.descript.com/transferableskillSign up for our newsletter: https://shorturl.at/WDrfTWant to be a guest on the show?: https://shorturl.at/umZ2l▬▬▬▬▬ Timestamps ▬▬▬▬▬00:00 Introduction to Transferable Skills00:19 Taiwo's Early Aspirations01:13 Choosing Chemical Engineering02:50 Transition to Software Engineering06:04 First Job and Career Growth10:40 Skills Transfer and Team Dynamics16:06 The Value of a Diverse Team16:31 Coaching vs. Executing17:25 Career Pivot and Leadership17:48 Hiring and Mentoring Junior Developers19:18 Critical Thinking in Interviews20:47 Handling Pressure in Interviews21:50 Career Progression and New Challenges22:46 Building a New Platform from Scratch24:16 Balancing Technical Decisions and Business Needs26:35 Estimating Project Timelines29:58 Reflecting on Project Management32:08 Guilty Pleasure Job33:20 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In Part Two, Kevin Eikenberry challenges the myth that leadership is just for those with formal authority. He unpacks the idea of “leadership by choice,” reflects on the rise of remote work, and shares practical advice for building influence, trust, and connection—especially when you're not in the same room. With insights from decades of coaching and his own mistakes, Kevin makes a compelling case: the future of work belongs to people who choose to lead, wherever they are.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Leadership Isn't a Title“You don't need a position to lead. You just need to make the choice.”Why influence, not authority, defines real leadership.From Compliance to Commitment“Command and control can get people to do the work. But it won't make them care.”How great leaders inspire action—not just obedience.Remote Work Is Here to Stay“Hybrid is the reality. The leaders who adapt will win.”Why resisting change isn't a strategy—and what to do instead.Trust Can Travel“Distance doesn't have to mean disconnection.”Building rapport, connection, and shared purpose in remote teams.Be a Student of Your Own Leadership“Every leader needs a development plan—just like athletes have coaches.”Why leadership is a daily practice, not a fixed identity.____________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Kevin Eikenberry>>>Your $79 free gift is here for you to accept -- not a scam, it's a personal gift from Kevin to you. --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

In Part One, Kevin shares the personal and professional journey that shaped his leadership philosophy—from farm life to corporate training to becoming a global thought leader. He explains why leadership isn't about innate traits or job titles, but about everyday choices. Drawing from his early career, client work, and lessons from home, Kevin lays out why leading by default isn't enough—and how you can start leading by design.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From the Farm to the Front of the Room“I didn't grow up thinking I'd teach leadership. But I grew up watching it.”How growing up on a farm quietly planted the seeds of leadership.Default Mode Isn't Leadership“Too many people lead by accident. They react. They wing it. And it shows.”Why awareness and intention are the real foundations of influence.Leadership Is Learned, Not Born“No one gets promoted and magically becomes a leader.”The myth of the ‘natural leader'—and why it holds people back.Everyday Moments Matter Most“Leadership shows up in the way you write an email, run a meeting, or give feedback.”The seemingly small actions that build—or break—trust.The First Step Is a Mirror“If you want to lead others, you have to lead yourself first.”Why self-awareness is the starting point of every leadership journey.____________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Kevin Eikenberry --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

In Part Two, Adaira Landry goes beyond storytelling and gets strategic—explaining how to stop saying yes to everything, avoid burnout, and take back control of your time. She shares how the original title of her book almost became Chisel, why Micro Skills isn't meant to be read cover to cover, and what FOMO vs. JOMO really means in your career.This episode is a mindset shift for anyone who's overcommitted, overextended, or overdue for some clarity. Her message is simple but powerful: just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Book Almost Had Another Name“We wanted to call it Chisel. But it didn't land the way we hoped. Micro Skills captured it better—it's about precise, meaningful action.”Ambition Without Boundaries Isn't Sustainable“I used to say yes to everything. Then I realized—none of it was helping me grow upward. It was just clutter.”Say No to Say Yes“JOMO—the joy of missing out—is real. You don't need to chase every opportunity. You need to choose the right ones.”The Burnout Trap“If you're always working horizontally, you never move vertically. That's not growth. That's noise.”Fast Impact, Not Magic“You don't need a new degree or a big life change. You just need to start—small, now, and with purpose.”_____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Adaira Landry MD --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

In Part One, Dr. Resa Lewiss reflects on the experiences that led her to emergency medicine, from early memories of gender inequity at the dinner table to the interdisciplinary studies that shaped her worldview. She shares why she chose a career in high-pressure medicine, how a love of procedures led her to ultrasound, and why teaching globally changed how she practices and leads.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Medicine Was a Calling, Not a Family Trade“I didn't grow up around doctors. But from early on, medicine was in my bones.”Resa explains how her internal pull toward healthcare was stronger than any external influence.The First Fight for Fairness“My dad said, ‘Girls, clear the table.' I said, ‘What about the boys?'”She recalls early moments that sparked her refusal to accept unequal expectations.Finding Her Fit in Emergency Medicine“Once I rotated in emergency, I thought—this is it. This is where I belong.”Resa describes the moment she discovered the dynamic, procedure-driven specialty she'd been looking for.The Power of a Liberal Arts Education“My literature and sociology classes made me a better doctor. They taught me empathy.”She shares how studying beyond science helped her connect more deeply with patients.Teaching Around the World“When I went to India, Rwanda, Jordan—these were not lectures. These were collaborations.”Why global teaching in ultrasound expanded her understanding of medicine and leadership._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Resa Lewiss MD --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

In Part Two, Resa gets tactical. She explains why Micro Skills begins with time, trust, and self-care—because none of the communication tricks matter if you're running on empty. She unpacks workplace blind spots that slow careers down, shares why she wrote this book for more than just doctors, and explains why clarity, not complexity, wins in high-stakes situations. Also: BCC etiquette, post-traumatic growth, and the exact moment she realized the workplace comes with an unwritten playbook—and how she set out to write it.This is about what really sustains you: self-respect, situational fluency, and knowing what's worth your time.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Workplace Doesn't Come with a Playbook“I didn't get the playbook—so I wrote one.”Why Micro Skills is the field guide she wishes she had years ago.Why the Book Starts with Time“Time can only be spent. You can't save it. You can't refund it.”What trauma bays taught her about urgency, and how it applies to every job.Letters of Recommendation and Hidden Rules“No one told me how the game worked. That one insight saved me years of inefficiency.”The invisible workplace norms that trip people up—and how to name them.Rest Is Strategy, Not a Luxury“If you're not well, nothing else works. We call that micro skill #1.”Why self-care opens the book—and isn't just about bubble baths.Intentional Email Etiquette“BCC isn't sneaky—it's smart. You're protecting privacy and reducing clutter.”How respect shows up in the smallest digital behaviors.Practicing Under Pressure“People think it's all adrenaline. But real calm comes from preparation.”What she teaches students who want to stay grounded in chaos._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Resa Lewiss MD --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

Before she became a physician, educator, and mentor to hundreds, Adaira Landry felt out of place in nearly every professional room she entered. In Part One, she opens up about entering college at 16, watching a man collapse on campus, and how that moment -- and a painful accident -- pulled her toward medicine. She reflects on growing up without access to mentors, and why that made her even more intentional about creating useful, inclusive career tools later on. This episode is a behind-the-scenes look at what shaped the voice behind Micro Skills.Key Highlights of Our Interview:When Life Said “Step In”“He collapsed right outside my class. And I just walked toward him. I didn't know what I was doing—but I knew I had to do something.”The moment on campus that first pulled her toward medicine.Burned and Alone“I remember laying on the floor thinking—this isn't how it's supposed to be. I couldn't even call for help.”A personal injury that left her with pain—and perspective.No One Called It Mentorship“We never used that word growing up. It wasn't until grad school that someone even explained what a mentor really does.”Why finding guidance felt so unfamiliar at first.The Confidence Gap“I had to teach myself to stop over-explaining—to just say the thing.”On growing into her voice in high-pressure environments.Why Micro Skills Mattered“I was tired of career advice that was abstract. I wanted to write something people could actually use Monday morning.”The motivation behind a book built for practicality, not prestige._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Adaira Landry MD --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.20 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1% Podcast.Top 5 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>200,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.

Dr. Rhonda Glover Reese is a certified career and leadership coach with 34 years of FBI experience under her belt. From counterintelligence to white collar crime, her federal career was vast and dynamic. In this powerful episode, Dr. Rhonda shares how her dream of working for the FBI led to a fulfilling career in public service and how her new chapter as a coach helps others step into their purpose with confidence.Side HustlesDr. Rhonda's “side hustle” is far from traditional. After retiring from the FBI, she launched a coaching business to help others find fulfillment in their careers. Her passion lies in career and leadership development, especially for those in law enforcement. She also offers training, speaks at events, and creates space for honest conversations about burnout, purpose, and growth.“I'm great at mentoring and coaching, particularly in that law enforcement space. I'm good. I'm great,” expresses Dr. Rhonda Glover Reese in Episode 199 of You Are a Lawyer.Her journey from federal agent to entrepreneur was not accidental. It was built on prayer, reflection, and a growing awareness that people were turning to her for guidance. Today, she is intentional about the size and structure of her business to maintain the life she wants; one that includes faith, flexibility, and continued serviceLISTEN TO LEARNWhat a long-term FBI career looks like behind the scenesHow coaching and law enforcement can work hand in handWhy fear keeps us stuck and how to move through itWE ALSO DISCUSSThe truth about leadership and being in the arenaBuilding trust and vulnerability in coaching relationshipsThe power of lived experience and mentorship in helping others growJoin the FREE mailing list!Get behind-the-scenes content from You Are A Lawyer. 1) Visit www.youarealawyer.com2) Add your email address to the Subscribe pop-up box OR3) Enter your email address on the right side of the screen4) Get emails from me (I won't fill your inbox with junk)!Interact with You Are A LawyerKyla Denanyoh hosts the You Are A Lawyer podcast. Follow the podcast:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@youarealawyerWebsite: https://www.youarealawyer.com

What starts as a hobby can totally change your life—and Laura Hatcher is living proof.In this episode of The Career Flipper, I chat with Laura, a former Navy captain turned full-time professional photographer based in Alexandria, Virginia. Her journey from military structure to creative entrepreneurship is honest, emotional, and so deeply inspiring.We talk about:Transitioning from military to civilian lifeFinding identity outside the uniformImposter syndrome and self-doubt as a creativeBuilding a business from a side passionHow mentorship and community helped her growThe emotional side of setting “big” goalsNavigating cultural identity and belonging in new spacesAdapting through the pandemic and learning as she wentIf you're in the thick of a transition—or wondering if your side project has legs—Laura's story will meet you where you are, and maybe even give you that little nudge to keep going.

Ron Robinson is the founder of BeautyStat and the cosmetic chemist behind Hailey Bieber's skincare line, Rhode. Robinson began his career at Clinique in the '90s and, over the past two decades, has worked on products for industry giants like Revlon, Avon, L'Oréal, and Lancôme. He launched BeautyStat as an educational platform for beauty enthusiasts in 2009 but ultimately moved into developing his own product line in 2019 with the launch of his groundbreaking, ultra-potent vitamin C formulation. Celebs took notice, and Hailey Bieber quickly reached out to bring him on as a partner in what would become Rhode. In this episode, Robinson chats with Who What Wear Beauty Director Erin Jahns about the science behind successful products and which ingredients are worth the hype.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Uncover the unexpected! Dive into a conversation that redefines leadership and human connection, challenging the way we view stress and emotional intelligence. Join us as we unravel the surprising truth about building confidence and embracing the power of mind, body, and spirit. Get ready to be seen, energized, and inspired in ways you never imagined. Don't miss out on this eye-opening journey of self-discovery and growth. Stay tuned for the big reveal. In this episode, you will be able to: Develop effective leadership skills through emotional intelligence. Manage stress effectively in high-pressure jobs. Experience the benefits of coaching for personal growth. Integrate mind, body, and spirit for success. Build confidence from the inside out. My special guest is Stephanie Simpson Stephanie Simpson, a professional dancer turned executive coach based in New York City, brings a unique perspective to leadership development. With a background in performing arts, Stephanie emphasizes the integration of mind, body, and spirit for success. Her coaching focuses on emotional intelligence, stress management, and building confidence from the inside out. Through her lived experiences and expertise, Stephanie offers valuable insights into the practical application of emotional intelligence in leadership, making her a compelling guest for this episode. The key moments in this episode are:00:04:08 - Introduction to Emotional Intelligence 00:07:07 - Developing Emotional Intelligence 00:12:47 - The Universality of Emotions 00:13:26 - Gender Stereotypes and Emotional Expression 00:14:23 - Emotional Expression and Gender Generalizations 00:16:20 - Importance of Emotional Intelligence in the Workplace 00:17:31 - Building Confidence from the Inside Out 00:23:42 - Applying Arts Background to Group Development 00:26:38 - Building Confidence and Empowerment 00:27:53 - Shifting Our Relationship with Stress 00:33:20 - Recognizing Good Stress for Personal Growth 00:35:20 - Leading Your Own Life 00:39:08 - Overcoming Unwritten Rules 00:39:24 - Reconnecting with the Body and Intuition in Leadership 00:41:50 - Embracing Human-Centered Leadership in the Future of Work 00:45:28 - Life-Changing Books and Morning Routines 00:46:27 - Power of Music for a Powerful Mindset 00:48:25 - Connecting with Stephanie 00:52:47 - Getting Unstuck and Taking Action Subscribe, rate, and share the podcast A World of Difference with five people who need it too. Help build a community of people who believe in empathy, equity, kindness, and the power of listening to those who are different from us. Join the Difference Makers community on Patreon for unfiltered behind-the-scenes conversations and support in doing the hard, beautiful work of becoming who you're meant to be. Post a clip of this episode, tagging the show on social media. You never know who needs this story today. Rate and review the podcast to help more people find the space and spread the message of empathy, equity, kindness, and the power of listening to those who are different from us. Connect with us: https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com Linkedin YouTube Substack FaceBook Instagram Threads Patreon (for exclusive episodes just for Difference Makers) Bluesky TikTok Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and share this episode with 5 friends who might need to hear it. Your support helps the community grow and keeps these important conversations going. If you need professional help, such as therapy: https://www.betterhelp.com/difference If you are looking for your next opportunity, sign up for Lori's Masterclass on Master the Career Pivot: https://www.loriadamsbrown.com/careerpivot Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alyssa Wasko Stein is the founder and designer of Los Angeles–based womenswear brand Donni. Stein has had entrepreneurial tendencies since childhood, but she didn't always know her love of fashion would take her down the designer path. She studied a different part of the fashion industry (retailing and consumer sciences) and secured a coveted internship in Chanel's visual merchandising department during college. But after her father's passing at the beginning of her sophomore year, Stein sought out a creative outlet for her grief. She began handmaking and selling scarves, naming the business Donni Charm after her father, Donald. Stein slowly grew her side business while continuing to work at Chanel after graduating, but after some early wholesale success, she decided to focus on Donni Charm full-time. She moved operations to Los Angeles and rebranded to simply Donni. Most significantly, though, she stumbled into designing ready-to-wear clothing, as she wanted specific pieces to style with her scarves. While Stein had no prior clothing design experience, it came naturally to her, and she surprised herself with a full line of 30 SKUs within four weeks, laying the groundwork for the Donni we know and love today. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What if the uncertainty you're feeling about your career path is more common and more solvable than you think? In this episode, Khushboo Sheikh tech leader and founder of Tech Exploration shares how community, storytelling, and strategic self-awareness can turn doubt into direction. Hear the real-life story of Subhan Ali's pivot from a civil engineering PhD to leading AI product development at NVIDIA, and discover how to spot the untapped skills and passions that could fuel your own transition. We dive deep into the unique challenges women face during major life changes like maternity leave, explore the underappreciated role of Technical Account Managers, and reveal how peer groups can offer clarity and confidence at every stage of your career. Whether you're debating a move into management or wondering what's next, this episode offers tactical insights and inspiring reminders that you don't have to navigate change alone. Timestamps 00:00:00 - Introduction and Welcome to Business Legacy Podcast   00:00:30 - Introduction of Khushboo Shaikh, Dynamic Technology Leader and Advocate for Women in Tech   00:01:15 - Discussing the Inception and Mission of Tech Exploration   00:02:30 - The Concept of Career Pivots and Leveraging Skills Across Roles   00:03:45 - Highlighting Subhan Ali's Transition from Civil PhD to AI Product Lead at NVIDIA   00:05:00 - Insights into Motivations, Challenges, and Transferable Skills in Career Pivots   00:08:13 - Exploring Peer-to-Peer Groups and Their Role in Career Transitions   00:09:00 - Understanding Diverse Career Roles Like Technical Account Managers   00:10:00 - Balancing Career Transitions with Motherhood and Personal Challenges   00:11:30 - Personal Anecdotes from Mothers in Tech on Career and Motherhood Balance   00:12:45 - The Importance of Recognizing Core Competencies and Passions   00:13:45 - Proactively Seeking Opportunities to Build Experience and Confidence   00:15:00 - Conclusion and Where to Find More Information About Tech Exploration   00:16:00 - Closing Remarks and Encouragement to Engage with the LinkedIn Community   Episode Resources: Connect with Khushbu here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/khushbushaikh/ Legacy Podcast: For more information about the Legacy Podcast and its co-hosts, visit businesslegacypodcast.com. Leave a Review: If you enjoyed the episode, leave a review and rating on your preferred podcast platform. For more information: Visit businesslegacypodcast.com to access the shownotes and additional resources on the episode.

In this raw, bold, and empowering episode, April welcomes Dr. Maureen Gibbons—known online as Dr. Moe—for a no-holds-barred conversation on the power of pivoting. From burned-out ER doctor to multi-million-dollar CEO, Dr. Moe shares her unfiltered journey of reinvention, facing fear, public vulnerability, food addiction, and reclaiming her health and voice. Whether you're standing at a pivot point in your career or simply ready to stop playing small, this episode is a wake-up call. It's not just about changing careers—it's about reclaiming your story, your health, and your power. Key Takeaways:

Bill Mitchell is a veteran litigator, negotiation strategist, and the author of The Disruptive Lawyer's Little Black Book of Litigation Management. With three decades of experience, Bill has a bold message for lawyers: less litigation, more resolution. In this episode, he shares how he became a top 1% dealmaker by helping clients resolve cases faster and cheaper, without sacrificing strategy or results.Lawyer Side HustlesBill's side hustle? Changing how lawyers think. He authored The Disruptive Lawyer's Little Black Book of Litigation Management and teaches a course called “Masters in Negotiation” for attorneys, claims professionals, and in-house counsel. His mission is to equip lawyers with the tools they didn't learn in law school, including how to close cases with confidence and clarity.“I do an eight-part series on negotiation. If 92% of all cases settle, you need really good negotiators,” expresses Bill Mitchell in Episode 94 of You Are a Lawyer.His upcoming book, The Disruptive Lawyer's Little Black Book of Negotiation, builds on that mission. Whether training junior associates or consulting with Fortune 500 legal departments, Bill is helping shift the mindset from litigation to resolution.LISTEN TO LEARNWhy 99% of lawsuits should never reach a courtroomHow lawyers can provide more value by closing, not extending, casesWhy client goals should define legal success, not just billable hourWE ALSO DISCUSSHow Bill built a national practice with a resolution-first mindsetThe problem with traditional billing incentives in litigationHow to train new lawyers to think like dealmakersJoin the FREE mailing list!Get behind-the-scenes content from You Are A Lawyer. 1) Visit www.youarealawyer.com2) Add your email address to the Subscribe pop-up box OR3) Enter your email address on the right side of the screen4) Get emails from me (I won't fill your inbox with junk)!Interact with You Are A LawyerKyla Denanyoh hosts the You Are A Lawyer podcast. Follow the podcast:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@youarealawyerWebsite: https://www.youarealawyer.com

Sometimes a joke turns into a new life.Trish Jasinski had built a fulfilling, decades-long career in corporate marketing—and she really loved it. But during the pandemic, while working remotely from a very tiny Paris apartment, she started joking with friends that châteaux in the countryside were cheaper than her shoebox of a flat.Just for fun—and with zero plans to actually buy—she went château shopping.And then it happened. She stepped into Château de Gère, a 14th-century stone fortress tucked into the Vallée d'Ossau, and something inside her said, “This is it.”So she did the unthinkable: she bought it. With no plan. Just heart.Now, Trish lives in a quiet French village where sheep outnumber people, and she's turned the château into a beautiful retreat and event space. She's taken everything she learned from her corporate years and poured it into this new life—this wild, magical, entirely unexpected next chapter.In this episode, we talk about:Following a totally unserious whim that changed everythingWhy “no plan” doesn't mean “no purpose”Using your past experience in completely new waysListening to your intuition (even when it makes zero sense)Creating a life that's slower, sweeter, and more youConnect with TrishBook a stay at Château de Gère: https://chateaudegere.com/Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chateaudegere/  Thanks for listening to The Career Flipper!If you enjoyed this episode, let's spread the word! Share it with a friend, subscribe, and leave a review—it helps other career flippers find the show.Let's Stay Connected:Join the community: thecareerflipper.comTikTok: @thecareerflipperInstagram: @thecareerflipperpodGot a career flip story? I'd love to hear it—and maybe even have you on the podcast! Whether you've completed your flip, are just starting, or are in the thick of it, submit your story here: https://www.thecareerflipper.com Want to support the show?Looking for a speaker? I'd love to talk about career changes at your next event.Collaborate through sponsorships or affiliates! Let's work together.Email me: hello@thecareerflipper.comCheck Out My Customer Service CoursesBefore my career flip, I led customer experience teams and created online courses that have helped over 12,000 students worldwide. Whether you're switching to customer service or sharpening your skills to run your own business, these courses are packed with practical tips. Learn more at thecareerflipper.com/courses.Other Ways to Get Involved:Buy me a coffee!Explore my furniture flipsMusic CreditsSeason 1: Intro and outro music by audionautix.com. Season 2: Intro and outro original music by Jenny Dempsey, recorded in a home studio.What's the best that could happen?

For our second annual Who What Wear 100 Beauty Awards, Beauty Director Erin Jahns is joined by beauty editors Jamie Schneider, Kaitlyn McLintock, and Maya Thomas for a roundtable discussion about all of their favorite products. After spending months testing items from the buzziest new brands and the industry giants, the team has narrowed their top picks down to 100 items across haircare, skincare, makeup, bodycare, tools, nails, and fragrance. Warning: You may want to listen to this episode with your beauty retailer of choice's website open for easy, add-to-cart access. The Who What Wear Beauty 100 story is live, so check out the full list here!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey difference makers! Are you tired of feeling like your work environment is draining and uninspiring? Have you been told to just push harder and things will get better, only to find yourself feeling more checked out and unfulfilled? It's time to stop the cycle of outdated leadership and start fostering a culture of empathy and inclusivity in your organization. Let's talk about how to create a psychologically safe work environment where everyone feels valued and can thrive. Because the leaders who prioritize inclusivity are the ones who will truly thrive in the future. Are you ready to make a difference? In this episode, you will be able to: Cultivate a Safe and Supportive Workplace Culture: Learn how to foster an environment where every team member feels valued and respected. Lead with Empathy and Inclusion: Discover the power of leading with empathy and creating an inclusive environment that brings out the best in your team. Master Effective Meeting Management: Uncover strategies to streamline meetings and make them more productive for everyone involved. Combat Workplace Bullying: Understand the impact of workplace bullying on company culture and how to address and prevent it. Embrace Neurodiversity in Leadership: Explore the benefits of embracing neurodiversity in leadership and how it can drive innovation and success. My special guest is ⁠Minette Norman⁠ Minette Norman is an award-winning author, speaker, and leadership consultant who previously spent decades leading global technical teams in the Silicon Valley software industry and realized that we needed a new, more human model of leadership. As the author of The Boldly Inclusive Leader and the co-author of The Psychological Safety Playbook, Minette is committed to helping leaders unleash the full potential of the people in their organizations.Minette knows that when leaders create inclusive team cultures, performance soars, breakthroughs emerge, and innovation accelerates. Her most recent position before starting her consultancy was as Vice President of Engineering Practice at Autodesk. Responsible for influencing more than 3,500 engineers around the globe, she focused on state-of-the-art engineering practices while nurturing a collaborative and inclusive culture.Named in 2017 as one of the “Most Influential Women in Bay Area Business” by the San Francisco Business Times and as “Business Role Model of the Year” in the 2018 Women in IT/Silicon Valley Awards, Minette is a recognized leader with a unique perspective. The key moments in this episode are:00:02:22 - Creating Safe and Inclusive Leadership 00:09:26 - Link Between Psychological Safety and Inclusive Culture 00:11:46 - Navigating Language and Real Work of Inclusion 00:12:39 - Embracing Differences and Inclusivity 00:14:26 - The Importance of Meetings 00:16:31 - Harnessing Collective Genius 00:21:01 - Overcoming Bias in Promotions 00:23:27 - The Power of Listening 00:24:58 - Women in Leadership 00:25:32 - Leaving the Tech Industry 00:26:26 - Workplace Bullying 00:27:12 - Starting a Business 00:28:52 - Impact of Workplace Bullying 00:37:11 - The Impact of Fear-based Leadership in Organizations 00:37:43 - The Influence of Fear and Greed in Leadership 00:38:14 - Neuroscience Research and Social Exclusion 00:40:04 - The Need for Social Science in Leadership Share the show with five people who need it too. Join the difference makers ⁠Patreon⁠ community for exclusive bonus content, including an interview with Minette Norman where she gets vulnerable and real about a leadership failure that changed everything for her. Hit subscribe, drop a ⁠rating and review⁠. 5 stars if you think we did a great job and help more difference makers find the show. Check out the Mastering the Career Pivot masterclass at ⁠loriadamsbrown.com/careerpivot⁠ Get 10% off your first month of online therapy at ⁠betterhelp.com/difference⁠. Connect with us: ⁠https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Big career shifts can feel scary—but they can also be the doorway to something better aligned. In this episode, I'm joined by Sandi Bouhadana, career consultant, communications coach, and host of the Open for Hire podcast, who shares her powerful story of navigating a major career pivot after being laid off from her role as Senior Director of Training & Development at Beachbody Corporate—after 16 years. Sandi walks us through the emotional aftermath of a layoff, the deep identity work that followed, and how she ultimately found clarity and purpose in her next chapter. This conversation is full of insight for anyone who's been feeling uncertain about their path or wondering how to rebuild with intention. We also talk about: Reclaiming confidence after a major change The role of adaptability in a constantly evolving workforce Why understanding your unique skills + impact is everything The tension between ambition and motherhood (and how to honor both) And how to stay human in a world that's increasingly driven by AI

Ceramicist Rachel Saunders shares her self-taught creative journey—from leaving LA burnout behind to launching a soul-led business, shifting into retreats, and redefining success on her own terms._______Support this podcast with a small donation: Buy Me A CoffeeThis show is powered by branding and design studio  Nice PeopleJoin this podcast and the Patreon community: patreon.com/womendesignersyoushouldknowHave a 1:1 mentor call with Amber Asay: intro.co/amberasay_______About Rachel:Rachel Saunders is a self-taught ceramicist and designer based on Vancouver Island, Canada. She is the founder of Rachel Saunders Ceramics, a brand known for its sculptural yet functional pieces that explore themes of femininity, sustainability, and intuitive design. Her now-iconic Woman Vase has become a symbol of empowerment and creativity.Rachel began her creative journey in visual merchandising in Los Angeles, but after experiencing burnout in a toxic work environment, she returned to Canada and immersed herself in clay—learning through community studios, YouTube videos, and trial and error. Over time, she built a globally recognized brand, with her work featured in publications like Architectural Digest, Vogue, and Elle Decor.In 2022, Rachel made a major shift away from product-based production toward more intentional, holistic offerings—launching an online creative membership and hosting artist retreats in Greece and Tuscany. Through her work and her story, she continues to inspire creatives to define success on their own terms and prioritize a sustainable, soul-led life.Follow Rachel:Website: rachelsaundersceramics.comInstagram: @rachelsaundersceramics.  ____View all the visually rich 1-min reels of each woman on IG below:Instagram: Amber AsayInstagram: Women Designers Pod

Nina Blackshear has turned career pivots into an art form. As the owner and principal of Nina Blackshear Coaching and Consulting, she's a certified executive coach and in-house corporate attorney. Her unconventional path, from law school to real estate, to fundraising, to employee relations, to marketing communications, and back to law, has become her greatest professional asset. Her specialty is helping others overcome impostor syndrome, intense perfectionism, and the burnout that results from constant striving —challenges she has navigated personally.What started as a series of unexpected career detours has evolved into Nina's mission. Helping others (especially women of color) discover their superpowers and write their own stories in professional spaces that weren't designed for them. Her love language, as she puts it, is helping people discover their power, and she's built both her personal brand and coaching practice around that core belief.In this episode of Branding Room Only, Paula Edgar and Nina dive deep into the importance of self-awareness and emotional intelligence in building an authentic personal brand. They explore how to build EQ as a muscle, the unique challenges women of color face in professional spaces, and why knowing your non-negotiables is essential for leading confidently. Plus, they discuss the power of coaching, the importance of strategic networking, and why Nina believes we should all "do more giving and less taking" in our professional relationships.1:31 – What personal brand means to Nina, how she describes herself in three words, and her favorite motto and hype song4:51 – How being a Philly girl has shaped Nina's personal brand7:45 – Nina's education and multi-pivotal career, from law school to executive coaching16:20 – How Nina was able to hone her emotional intelligence (EQ)20:47 – How to build your emotional intelligence muscle (and find organizational leaders lacking it who can develop it)25:37 – How Nina helps clients (especially women of color) navigate professional spaces and write their own story32:00 – The key to leading confidently and working authentically and the power of having a coach38:13 – What causes most people to make personal branding mistakes (and how it often shows up in immigrant families)45:32 – The importance of a strategic supportive network to prep for a career pivot49:24 – The need for more reciprocity in professional relationships and building your own community51:56 – Nina's “garbage soup” and the foundations of her personal brand and Branding Room Only magicMentioned In How Career Pivots Can Strengthen Your Personal Brand with Nina BlackshearNina Blackshear Coaching and ConsultingNational Black Law Students AssociationBreaking Barriers, Pioneering Career Paths, and Making a Positive Impact with Paula BoggsLearn More About Paula's Personal Branding Strategy Session OfferSponsor for this episodePGE Consulting Group LLC empowers individuals and organizations to lead with purpose, presence, and impact. Specializing in leadership development and personal branding, we offer keynotes, custom programming, consulting, and strategic advising—all designed to elevate influence and performance at every level.To learn more about Paula and her services, go to www.paulaedgar.com or contact her at info@paulaedgar.com, and follow Paula Edgar and the PGE Consulting Group LLC on LinkedIn.

In this episode of "Cocoon Conversations," host Jenny Dempsey gets real about the emotional rollercoaster of juggling her career and furniture-flipping side hustle. She spills on burnout, imposter syndrome, and the chaos of pricing her art (“Am I worth it?!”). Jenny shares her messy, vulnerable moments—singing to her furniture, doubting herself, and still showing up. She reminds us that spirals aren't failures, but part of the process, and that confidence is more like a flickering patio light than a spotlight. It's raw, relatable, and a little unhinged—in the best way. Thanks for listening to The Career Flipper!If you enjoyed this episode, let's spread the word! Share it with a friend, subscribe, and leave a review—it helps other career flippers find the show.Let's Stay Connected:Join the community: thecareerflipper.comTikTok: @thecareerflipperInstagram: @thecareerflipperpodGot a career flip story? I'd love to hear it—and maybe even have you on the podcast! Whether you've completed your flip, are just starting, or are in the thick of it, submit your story here: https://www.thecareerflipper.com Want to support the show?Looking for a speaker? I'd love to talk about career changes at your next event.Collaborate through sponsorships or affiliates! Let's work together.Email me: hello@thecareerflipper.comCheck Out My Customer Service CoursesBefore my career flip, I led customer experience teams and created online courses that have helped over 12,000 students worldwide. Whether you're switching to customer service or sharpening your skills to run your own business, these courses are packed with practical tips. Learn more at thecareerflipper.com/courses.Other Ways to Get Involved:Buy me a coffee!Explore my furniture flipsMusic CreditsSeason 1: Intro and outro music by audionautix.com. Season 2: Intro and outro original music by Jenny Dempsey, recorded in a home studio.What's the best that could happen?

Katie Sturino is the founder of Megababe, the innovative beauty brand known for nontoxic, cult-favorite products like Thigh Rescue and Bust Dust. She's also a body-acceptance advocate with a highly engaged community of close to one million supporters across platforms. Sturino joined Hillary Kerr on Second Life back in 2020 to talk about her winding career path from PR to social media to beauty (listen to her first episode here), but we had to have her back on to discuss her most recent pivot to fiction writing. In this episode, Sturino shares why she decided to write her debut novel, Sunny Side Up, and gets refreshingly candid about the challenges of continuing to transform your career when everyone has feedback. She opens up about what it's like to work with a ghostwriter and where she hopes to take this creative endeavor moving forward. Of course, she also catches us up on the last five years of bootstrapped growth for Megababe and shares what's on the horizon for the business.Buy Sturino's new book, Sunny Side Up, here! (It's Hillary Kerr approved.)See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When I left oil and gas – or rather, when the door slammed behind me – I thought I needed a plan immediately. Instead, I discovered something far more valuable: the power of following small sparks of curiosity.In this episode, I share why curiosity became my compass during one of the foggiest periods of my life, and how it can become yours too.What I Cover:How curiosity literally rewires your brain for learning and adaptationWhy following random interests feels unproductive but creates the path forwardThe science behind curiosity as a tool for overcoming fear and paralysisSimple questions I used (and still use) to identify what truly draws me inMy Key Message: When everything feels uncertain, give yourself permission to not know the whole path. Just get curious about the next step.Resources Mentioned:TED Talk: "How to Find Work You Love"The Quiet Pivot Companion Pack with curiosity exercises and spark-discovery tools. Get it as here, or signing up as a paying subscriber to my Substack.Want to be a guest on Stories for the future: Beyond the Bubble? Send Veslemoy Klavenes-Berge a message on PodMatch.You can always find more information about the podcast and my work on storiesforthefuture.com

Margeaux Thomas is a litigator and founder of The Thomas Law Office, P.C., a firm that focuses on "business divorces" – complex breakups between business partners. In this episode, Margeaux shares her journey from Ohio to the DMV, what drew her to commercial litigation, and how she built a thriving law firm dedicated to helping small businesses through conflict. She also talks about growing up around quiet entrepreneurship and why personality type plays a big role in choosing your legal niche.Lawyer Side HustlesWhile Margeaux's legal practice is her main business, she also maintains a vibrant presence on LinkedIn and integrates her personal interests, especially swimming, into her professional brand. By sharing her swim journey, personal milestones, and non-legal reflections, she's built an engaged audience that connects with her on multiple levels. This has become a powerful tool for business development.“I also post a lot about things that aren't legal… People follow that and I go places and people talk about it, which is kind of cool,” expresses Margeaux Thomas in Episode 197 of You Are a Lawyer.Her “side hustle” isn't a separate business, but rather a lifestyle of authentic marketing and personal storytelling that enhances her professional success. Her experience demonstrates how being relatable and real online can complement a highly focused and serious legal career.LISTEN TO LEARNHow to carve out a niche in commercial litigationWhat it takes to build and scale your own law firmWhy business divorces require both legal strategy and emotional intelligenceWE ALSO DISCUSSThe emotional complexity of business disputesThe intersection of personality and legal practice areasHow social media can support organic law firm growthJoin the FREE mailing list!Get behind-the-scenes content from You Are A Lawyer. 1) Visit www.youarealawyer.com2) Add your email address to the Subscribe pop-up box OR3) Enter your email address on the right side of the screen4) Get emails from me (I won't fill your inbox with junk)!Interact with You Are A LawyerKyla Denanyoh hosts the You Are A Lawyer podcast. Follow the podcast:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@youarealawyerWebsite: https://www.youarealawyer.com

What happens when a software engineer follows a sweet little spark of curiosity all the way to the farmer's market? In this episode, host Jenny Dempsey chats with Case Sandberg, founder of San Diego Chocolate Co., about what it really looks like to leave a stable tech job and step into the (often melty) world of handcrafted chocolate.We talk about perfectionism, pivoting with purpose, building something from scratch, and why your next chapter doesn't need a polished plan — just a little momentum and maybe a glass of chocolate milk.Whether you're dreaming of leaving tech, craving a more hands-on life, or just want to feel seen in the mess of figuring it all out — this one's for you.In this episode, we talk about:Making a pivot without a perfect planWhy curiosity can be your compassCreating a business that feels like youBurnout, mini-sabbaticals, and trusting the timingBuilding something imperfect and still showing upLetting go of perfectionism to bring people joyTakeaway quote“I don't want to let my perfectionism get in the way of bringing joy to people.”Connect with Case and San Diego Chocolate CoFollow on InstagramOrder Online: San Diego Chocolate Co.Find him at the North Park, Hillcrest, and La Mesa farmers markets Thanks for listening to The Career Flipper!If you enjoyed this episode, let's spread the word! Share it with a friend, subscribe, and leave a review—it helps other career flippers find the show.Let's Stay Connected:Join the community: thecareerflipper.comTikTok: @thecareerflipperInstagram: @thecareerflipperpodGot a career flip story? I'd love to hear it—and maybe even have you on the podcast! Whether you've completed your flip, are just starting, or are in the thick of it, submit your story here: https://www.thecareerflipper.com Want to support the show?Looking for a speaker? I'd love to talk about career changes at your next event.Collaborate through sponsorships or affiliates! Let's work together.Email me: hello@thecareerflipper.comCheck Out My Customer Service CoursesBefore my career flip, I led customer experience teams and created online courses that have helped over 12,000 students worldwide. Whether you're switching to customer service or sharpening your skills to run your own business, these courses are packed with practical tips. Learn more at thecareerflipper.com/courses.Other Ways to Get Involved:Buy me a coffee!Explore my furniture flipsMusic CreditsSeason 1: Intro and outro music by audionautix.com. Season 2: Intro and outro original music by Jenny Dempsey, recorded in a home studio.What's the best that could happen?

Ann Foley is the costume designer behind the grounded and detailed wardrobes of the hit show The Last of Us. In this episode, Foley (whose extensive career also includes work on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and She Hulk) sits down with Who What Wear Senior Fashion and Social Media Editor Tara Gonzalez to discuss the costume design process for The Last of Us season 2. Foley shares the journey of developing character-driven styles, the inspiration behind the apocalyptic fashion and how it reflected the different environments, and the subtle styling changes that marked character growth after a five-year time jump. She reveals the challenges of costuming an apocalyptic world, why The Last of Us is technically a period piece, the significance of specific items like Joel's jacket and Ellie's Converse, and the collaborative process with actors and showrunners that brought the characters to life.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Have you heard these myths about toxic work environments? 1. "It's just part of the job, suck it up." 2. "If you speak up, you'll be seen as a troublemaker." 3. "You're overreacting, it's not that bad." I'll share the truth about these toxic workplace myths, but trust me, you'll want to stick around for the real strategies. In this episode, you will be able to: Mastering strategies for creating psychological safety at work can transform team dynamics and boost productivity. Navigating toxic work environments requires understanding the impact on employee well-being and organizational success. Identifying workplace bullying behaviors empowers leaders to foster a healthier and more inclusive work culture. Understanding the impact of abrasive leaders on team health is crucial for cultivating a positive and supportive work environment. Building healthier team dynamics in the workplace can lead to increased collaboration, engagement, and overall job satisfaction. My special guest is Catherine Mattice Catherine Mattice, MA, SPHR, SHRM-SCP, is the founder/CEO of Civility Partners, an organizational development firm focused on helping organizations create respectful workplace cultures and specializing in turning around toxic cultures. Civility Partners' clients range from Fortune 500's to small businesses across many industries. Catherine is a TEDx speaker and an HR thought-leader who has appeared in such venues as USA Today, Bloomberg, CNN, NPR, and many other national news outlets as an expert. She's an award-winning speaker, author and blogger, and has 50+ courses reaching global audiences on LinkedIn Learning. Catherine's award-winning book, BACK OFF! Your Kick-Ass Guide to Ending Bullying at Work, was hailed by international leadership-guru, Ken Blanchard, as, “the most comprehensive and valuable handbook on the topic.” Her latest book is Navigating Toxic Work Environments For Dummies (Wiley). The key moments in this episode are:00:02:19 - Recognizing Toxic Behaviors in the Workplace 00:08:00 - Overcoming Gaslighting and Competence Questioning 00:10:39 - Shifting Toxic Culture in Organizations 00:13:22 - Misalignment of Organizational Values 00:02:55 - Impactful Conversation with Kathryn Matthias 00:13:54 - Challenging Narratives and Toxic Work Environments 00:15:33 - Dangers of Abrasive Leadership 00:19:37 - Perception and Behavior Change 00:23:25 - Impact of Workplace Bullying 00:25:37 - Uncovering Blind Spots in Organizations 00:27:02 - The Purpose of Core Values 00:29:02 - The Cost of Toxic Behavior 00:32:23 - The Importance of Self-Awareness 00:37:00 - Reimagining HR for Culture Management 00:38:56 - Preparing for Keynotes and Leadership 00:40:01 - Evolution of Workplace Trends 00:41:37 - Humanizing the Workplace 00:42:24 - Supporting Victims of Workplace Bullying 00:44:32 - Encouraging Empathy and Kindness Subscribe, rate, and share the show with five people to spread the message of empathy, equity, and kindness. Help build a community of people who believe in listening to those who are different from us. Join the Patreon community, Difference Makers, for behind-the-scenes content, extra questions, and a community that gets it. Hop on Substack for deeper conversations and thoughts, where the deeper conversations happen. Rate and review the show to provide feedback and shape the community. Share what challenges you are facing at work and what you would love to hear more of on the podcast. Check out the Mastering the Career Pivot masterclass to take control of your career pivot with confidence and land a job you love. Gain access to video training, self-paced exercises, a free career pivot guide, and the Pivot Package for a clear, actionable roadmap to make career moves. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Shannon Watts is the founder of Moms Demand Action, a prominent grassroots organization fighting gun violence in the United States. She initially aspired to be an investigative journalist, and she earned a journalism degree but transitioned into a career in public relations, spending nearly two decades in corporate communications at companies like Anthem and GE Healthcare. After taking a step back from her career to become a stay-at-home mom, the Sandy Hook tragedy in 2012 spurred her into action, and she founded Moms Demand Action with a simple Facebook group. Leveraging her communications and branding expertise, she transformed the group into a powerful nationwide movement, now part of Everytown for Gun Safety, the largest gun violence prevention organization in the country, with nearly 11 million supporters. She has since been recognized as one of Time's 100 Most Influential People and a Forbes 50 Over 50 Changemaker. She's also authored books including Fight Like a Mother and Fired Up.Buy Shannon's new book here.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Learn more about Lisa or follow her at:   https://www.refashiond.com/https://www.instagram.com/lisahellebo/https://www.youtube.com/@refashiondventureshttps://www.linkedin.com/in/supplychainlocalization/ Show Notes Timestamps:0:00 Introduction to B2B Podcast3:53 Little Lisa has been obsessed with fashion and how things are made. 

Emilia Wickstead is a New Zealand–born, London-based fashion designer known for her refined yet playful approach to feminine dressing. Since launching in 2008, she's evolved her namesake brand from a made-to-measure model to producing seasonal ready-to-wear collections, shown at London Fashion Week for the past 13 years, and expanded into bridalwear. In this episode, Wickstead joins Senior Fashion Editor Anna LaPlaca to discuss her early design influences, the trademarks of an Emilia Wickstead piece, and how she selects artistic muses for her cinematic collections. Wickstead also shares which pieces to shop from her pre-fall collection and details on her upcoming collaborations with the Palm Heights Hotel and Paperless Post.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jessica Malaty Rivera is an infectious disease epidemiologist and science communicator renowned for making complex public health information accessible, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. While initially premed at USC, she pivoted to studying health promotion and disease prevention, and worked in the nonprofit sector after college. She was later recruited to research emerging biological threats at Georgetown University and simultaneously decided to pursue a master's degree there in biohazardous threat agents and emerging infectious diseases. While she's always loved science, she began to realize that where she truly excelled was in “speaking science.” And the deeper Rivera got into infectious disease epidemiology—whether through work or academia—the more she realized how critical the communications aspect of science was to public health. When the COVID-19 pandemic hit, she joined The Atlantic to lend her expertise to the COVID Tracking Project to provide publicly available, comprehensive data on COVID-19 cases in real time. She then began using Instagram to explain and interpret global health news, unexpectedly gaining a large following for her easy-to-understand information. Over the past five years, she has grown her platform, launched a Substack, and is currently completing a Doctorate in Public Health from Johns Hopkins University, all while remaining dedicated to science facts and public health literacy.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, I talk to business strategist Abbi Miller about navigating pivots in both personal and professional life. Abbi was on the podcast five years ago, and her perspective on time management, which she calls Time Pessimism, is a concept I've found helpful ever since. Since then, much has changed for her both personally and collectively (including becoming a mom). In this episode, we catch up on everything she's learned since then, including how to work with the muse when it strikes and how she sets up systems to support that flow. We also discuss how to deal with cynicism and find ambition again, and her strategies for effective quarterly goal-setting. Plus, Abbi gets me to open up about some of my own career changes and how I've been navigating them within my life. And you can hear me talk about it more on her show, where she had me on as a guest too. Show notes:- Abbi's Workwomb Instagram | Podcast- Free 30-min consult with Abbi to chat about working together- My Substack | IG: @letitouttt + @katiedalebout- Zine shop is here! - My Creative Clinic If you liked this episode, try out from the archive:In Abbi's previous episode, we covered her pivot from full-time work to freelancing, navigating burnout, and the importance of support in both business and personal life.

Kathleen Felix-Hager is the Emmy Award–winning costume designer behind the vibrant and evolving wardrobes of the hit show Hacks. Felix-Hager, whose extensive career also includes work on Veep and Dexter, sits down with Who What Wear Editorial Director Lauren Eggertsen to delve into the sartorial world of Deborah Vance and Ava Daniels. In this episode, Felix-Hager shares the journey of developing distinct styles for each character, the inspiration behind Deborah's maximalist looks drawn from her own grandmother, and the thoughtful elevation of Ava's wardrobe through four seasons. She reveals the challenges of costuming a comedy, the evolution of Ava's infamous cropped pants, and the collaborative process with actors and showrunners that brings these characters to life.Shop our editor's eBay picks here!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.