HR Interviews Playlist

The entire recruiting landscape is undergoing a profound transformation as organizations grapple with the implications of AI and the economic disruption 2025 is bringing. Talent acquisition teams are drowning in applications while simultaneously being asked to do more with fewer resources. Candidates find themselves in increasingly dehumanized processes where ghosting is now the norm. At the same time, regulatory bodies are developing laws to ensure fairness and transparency around the use of AI in hiring. So, how can employers navigate this challenging terrain while creating fair, accessible, and effective hiring processes? My guest this week is Ruth Miller, a talent acquisition and HR consultant who works across the public and private sectors. Ruth is an advisor to the Better Hiring Institute, working with the UK Government on developing legislation around AI in recruiting. In our conversation, she shares her insights into how organizations can proactively develop strategies that balance innovation with compliance while enhancing rather than diminishing the human elements of hiring. - Different perceptions and reactions to AI among employers across sectors - The paradox of AI both introducing and potentially removing bias from hiring processes - Neurodivergent candidates and AI in job applications - Common misconceptions job seekers have about employers' AI usage. - Strategic advice for organizations implementing AI in recruitment - The future of recruitment and the evolving balance between AI and human interaction Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

AI adoption is still slow in talent acquisition. Employers are experimenting with AI for tactical tasks while missing its transformative potential. This gap between tentative experimentation and strategic implementation stems from multiple challenges, including ethical concerns, a lack of training and awareness, overblown vendor claims, and anxiety about what AI means for job security. So, how can talent leaders shift from automation anxiety to augmentation advantage, transforming their teams from tactical processors to talent advisors? My guest this week is Matt Burney, Senior Strategic Advisor at Indeed. Matt has deep expertise in recruitment technology and workforce trends and explains how AI can elevate recruiters' roles rather than diminishing or eliminating them. In the interview, we discuss: The current state of AI in recruiting Why organizations remain trapped in tactical AI implementations Understanding the root causes of automation anxiety Asking better questions, not just getting faster answers Automation versus Augmentation Why efficiency needs to be about proving value, not replacing people The role of AI in skills-based thinking Why training, education, and greater awareness are vital What does the future of work look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

The acceleration of AI in talent acquisition has sparked both excitement and concern across the industry. While many fear automation might make recruiting more mechanical and impersonal, what if the opposite were true? Traditional recruiting processes already force candidates and recruiters into transactional relationships - with endless applications, screening calls, and administrative tasks leaving little room for meaningful human connection. At the same time, increasing expectations for personalized experiences are putting pressure on talent teams who don't have enough hours in the day. So, can AI actually make hiring more human rather than less? My guest this week is Diana Tsai, Co-founder and CEO of Upwage, a company building AI interviewing agents that have been proven to reduce turnover by as much as 48%. Diana shares valuable insights from working with employers to deploy over 4,000 AI agents. We also discuss her recently published book "AI For Good", which maps out a positive vision for the future of recruiting where AI doesn't replace human connection but creates space for it to flourish.  In the interview, we discuss: Why Diana wrote a book about the positive future of AI in recruiting How the role of recruiters is evolving with AI empowerment Where will the data come from to power advanced AI talent systems? How to ensure AI reduces bias rather than amplifying it The human-AI balance and what AI will never replace Key signals that indicate the transformation of recruiting is accelerating What will recruiting look like in 2035? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcast. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

I firmly believe that AI is the most significant technological transformation of our lifetime. What will separate talent acquisition professionals who'll thrive in this new world from those who'll get left behind? The answer isn't about the technology itself, but our mindset towards it.  Viewing AI as an opportunity rather than a threat might be your most important career decision this decade, determining whether you'll lead or follow as this revolution unfolds. So, how do we transform our mindset from panic and denial to opportunity and strategy in a way that positions us to thrive alongside AI? My guest this week is Ronsley Vaz, author of the brilliant book "Amplify AI." Ronsley's background as a software engineer and subsequent career in business and podcasting means that he brings a uniquely valuable perspective to this conversation, In our discussion, we talk about the psychological barriers that can prevent us from thinking about AI strategically. We explore how TA professionals can shift their mindset from fear to opportunity and build on their existing expertise to develop practical approaches to AI adoption that emphasize courage and strategic thinking. In the interview, we discuss: Why AI is the biggest and most significant technology shift in our lifetimes Moving from panic and denial toward opportunity and strategy How AI can augment and amplify your expertise Hype versus reality and is the pace of innovation sustainable? Assistant versus Agent The biggest mistake people make using LLMs Courage, Collaboration, and Connections How to understand and keep up to date with the AI revolution What does the future hold? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Research consistently shows that happy employees are more engaged, more productive, and stay with their companies longer. While many organizations recognize this connection, they often lack the data and insights needed to make meaningful improvements in their workplace culture. With different generations having different expectations from work and regional variations in what contributes to happiness, reliable metrics are essential for making the right decisions. So, how can employers better understand workplace happiness and use this data to attract and retain talent? My guest this week is Matt Ward, Head of Recruitment Services at WorkL. For their latest research report, WorkL surveyed 400,000 employees in 26 industries across 100 countries on the key drivers of workplace happiness. The results give us some fantastic insights that can help make talent acquisition and retention strategies significantly more effective. In the interview, we discuss: The findings from WorkL's latest workplace happiness report  The six key elements that contribute to workplace happiness Why workplace happiness is rising globally  Variations across generations and genders What is driving flight risk? The continued importance of flexibility at work How can Talent Acquisition teams leverage happiness data for competitive talent advantage? What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts Follow this podcast on Spotify

Understanding today's complex labor market requires accurate data rather than just following headlines or anecdotes. For businesses and talent professionals, having reliable insights into hiring trends, wage movements, and worker expectations is essential for making informed decisions in these uncertain times. My guest this week is Jack Kennedy, Senior Economist at Indeed; drawing from Indeed's real-time analysis of millions of job postings, CVs, and marketplace behaviors, Indeed Hiring Lab's research provides a unique window into what's happening in the job market. We're focusing on the UK market in this conversation, but Jack does provide some broader global insights and highlights the many global commonalities when it comes to worker motivations, aging populations, and the impact of AI In the interview, we discuss: The state of the UK labour market in early 2025 How geopolitical issues are impacting hiring trends globally The surprising resilience of wages despite market cooling Primary motivators for job seekers in today's market The truth about remote and hybrid work trends versus media narratives How AI is already reshaping employment and creating new opportunities A growing focus on neurodiversity in job postings Preparing for demographic challenges and an aging workforce The Labour market outlook for the next 12-18 months Follow this podcast on Spotify Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts.

The pace of AI adoption is accelerating rapidly, yet most organizations aren't integrating it effectively into talent acquisition—and they certainly aren't thinking big enough about its implications. Many companies are simply automating existing processes rather than reimagining what recruitment could become in an AI-driven world.  So, how can talent acquisition leaders think exponentially bigger about AI's potential, moving beyond incremental improvements to envision and create an entirely new paradigm for talent strategy? My guest this week is Richard Bradley, who has decades of experience in the RPO space and the wider staffing and TA ecosystem. Richard challenges us to think radically bigger about AI's impact, arguing that most organizations are severely underestimating the scale of transformation ahead. He explores how forward-thinking TA leaders must move beyond automating processes to reimagining the entire concept of recruitment. In the interview, we discuss: How does AI in 2025 compare to the Internet revolution of the late '90s Ask & Generate vs Search & Consume The risks of automating bad processes with AI rather than reimagining them How TA technology needs to evolve to be fit for purpose Durable soft skills The shift from traditional recruiters to talent strategists Why TA will evolve rather than disappear What the TA team of the future will look like  Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

There have never been as many forces driving change in Talent Acquisition as there are in 2025. Skills-based thinking, economic pressures, the rise of AI, and the resulting change in both C-Suite expectations and Job Seeker behavior, to name a few. Unsurprisingly, then, TA Teams are scrambling to demonstrate the impact they have on and the value they drive for their business. However, this is much easier said than done with the relentless increase in the pace of change. So, how can TA Leaders harness 2025's winds of change to demonstrate their teams' impact and the value they drive?  Where better to get expert insights, shrewd commentary, and actionable advice than Transform? For those of you who are unaware of Transform, it is one of the best industry conferences out there, and I recently got back from Transform 2025. While there, I asked a range of people what they thought TA should be doing to make a measurable impact in 2025. Here are a selection of the answers. Get ready to hear from Daniel Chait - CEO at Greenhouse; Allyn Bailey - Senior Director of Brand Experiences and Communications at SmartRecruiters; Mike Stafiej - CEO at Erin; Jocelyn King - CEO of Virgill HR; John Baldino - President at Humareso and v- CEO at Elayne. Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

The talent acquisition landscape is fundamentally transforming. AI and automation are eliminating repetitive tasks and creating space for recruiters to become true strategic partners. This shift demands that TA professionals evolve beyond transaction-focused activities to provide consultative guidance backed by data and their unique expertise.  So, how can TA leaders successfully guide their teams through this transformation from transactional order takers to valued talent advisors? My guest this week is Mike Aronson, Global Head of Talent Acquisition Operations at Johnson Controls. With over 20 years of experience in talent acquisition evolution, Mike shares practical insights on leading transformational change and proactively planning for the future. In the interview, we discuss: The shifting power dynamic in TA The current impact of AI Elevating the skills of TA Teams to be more strategic Change mindset instead of change management How do Talent Advisors add value to the business? The critical importance of skills-based hiring How can TA Leaders drive transformation? Building a hyper-personalized recruiting experience  What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

The conversation around AI in talent acquisition often focuses on incremental improvements and point solutions – better job descriptions, faster candidate matching, or automated interview scheduling. But this limited view dramatically underestimates the fundamental transformation that's already underway. While many are still debating whether AI is overhyped, there is growing evidence that it is actually significantly underhyped, with implications far beyond what most TA leaders are preparing for. So, how can TA move beyond tactical AI implementations to develop the strategic capabilities that will soon be essential? My guest this week is Jonathan Kestenbaum, Managing Director of Tech Strategy at AMS and a long-time trusted authority in work tech innovation. Jonathan cuts through the noise to explain why current industry discussions around AI are missing the bigger picture – a future where talent acquisition transforms into strategic orchestration and the way organizations attract and deploy talent is fundamentally reshaped . In the interview, we discuss:  The unprecedented speed of change compared to previous tech cycles  The current AI use cases that hint at a much more significant transformation ahead Why recruitment processes need a complete redesign, not just automation  The split between humans and machines and the impact on jobs Skills based firing Moving from talent acquisition to talent orchestration  What do TA Leaders need to do right now What does the TA Tech stack of the future look like Follow this podcast in Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Live from the Shaker Green Room at RecFest USA, The Chad & Cheese Podcast welcomes Paige Elliott, Global Employer Brand Manager at Veeam Software. Paige shares why authentic diversity stories are critical to employer branding and how aligning internal culture with external messaging attracts talent. She offers practical tips on using video, written content, and audio to amplify diverse voices and build a sense of belonging. The conversation also delves into the growing scrutiny of DE&I commitments, strategic partnerships with organizations like Out & Equal and Women in Tech, and the importance of pay transparency and open dialogue in recruitment. Tune in for insights on creating a workplace where values and culture shine through every action!

The traditional approach to developing employer value propositions can often be complex and time-consuming. While this in-depth methodology might work well for large, complex organizations, many employers invest months or even years in exhaustive research and complex frameworks only to often end up with EVPs that sound remarkably similar to their competitors. At the same time, there's growing pressure to activate employer brands quickly to address immediate talent needs, leaving organizations vulnerable to missed opportunities if they get caught in endless cycles of research and refinement. So, how can companies develop distinctive EVPs that genuinely differentiate them while moving quickly enough to address urgent talent challenges? My guest this week is Sam Monteath, founder of research and insights consultancy Reason Why, a research and insights consultancy. Sam shares valuable insights on how organizations can take a more agile approach to EVPs, avoiding the bloat and unnecessary complexity that often characterizes these projects. In the interview, we discuss: • [01:22] The key differences between employer brand, employer branding, and EVP • [04:58] Why some EVP development processes have become unnecessarily complex • [06:54] How organizations can balance speed with rigor in developing their EVPs • [09:55] What is a minimum viable EVP? • [12:28] Why so many EVPs sound similar, and how companies can genuinely differentiate themselves • [15:38] How employer branding has evolved over the past decade • [18:57] The role of AI and technology in transforming employer brand strategy • [20:52] How AI is revolutionizing qualitative data analysis for EVP insights • [22:21] The shift toward more dynamic, evolving EVPs connected to business objectives • [23:53] What does the future of employer branding look like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Technology-driven mass personalization has completely transformed how we engage with brands as consumers. However, while companies have raced to deliver tailored products and services to their customers, the employee experience has lagged behind, with most organizations still operating standardized processes that treat all employees the same. At the same time, technological, social, and generational shifts have dramatically raised expectations for personalized workplace experiences, leaving organizations vulnerable to disengagement and talent loss if they continue with outdated, uniform approaches. So, how can employers deliver the hyper-personalized employee experiences that today's workforce increasingly demands?  My Guest this week, Ayaskant Sarangi, CHRO at Mphasis Limited, an IT services company headquartered in Bangalore with operations across 50 countries and over 30,000 employees. Ayaskant shares valuable insights on how personalization can work at scale across the employee lifecycle and the vital importance of skills-based thinking in achieving this In the interview, we discuss:  • [02:03] Why personalization has become the fundamental employee expectation in today's workplace  • [04:43] How HR can shape organizational culture to support individualized employee journeys • [09:54] Leveraging technology to create hyper-personalized experiences throughout the employee lifecycle  • [13:17] Creating a horizontal tech layer that delivers consistent personalization across traditional HR silos  • [15:19] Moving from standardized role-based frameworks to personalized skills-based approaches • [20:50] What the future is going to look like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

AI is starting to drive a profound shift in the workplace. The skills we've prioritized for decades are becoming automated, with uniquely human capabilities beginning to emerge as the true differentiators. So, are your hiring and development strategies still focused on what machines can already do, or are you investing in the skills that AI can't replicate? The rapid evolution of AI is starting to reshape the skills landscape, but it is already becoming clear that many employers will struggle to adapt. While hard skills have traditionally dominated hiring and development strategies, it's becoming increasingly clear that soft skills like communication, critical thinking, empathy, and adaptability are the true differentiators in an AI-dominated workplace.  However, most organizations don't know how to properly define, measure, or develop these soft skills, leaving them vulnerable to skills shortages in the human capabilities that will drive their future success. So, how can companies identify and nurture the skills that AI can't replicate? My guest this week is Dan Haywood, Chief Customer Officer at Go1, one of the world's leading learning content aggregators. Dan shares valuable insights on how the skills landscape is evolving and why soft skills are becoming increasingly critical as AI handles more technical and repetitive tasks. In the interview, we discuss:  • [01:56] How the demand for skills is evolving in an AI world  • [03:04] Why education systems aren't adequately preparing people for modern work  • [08:11] The four key soft skills groups employers need to focus on  • [11:51] The challenges of defining, measuring, and developing soft skills and how to overcome them  • [14:30] How employers can embed soft skills into their learning culture • [14:30] The importance of executive modeling in skills development  • [16:55] Connecting soft skills development to measurable business outcomes  • [17:02] What the future skills landscape will look like as AI continues to advance Follow this episode on Apple Podcasts. Follow this episode on Spotify.

Live from RecFest USA, The Chad & Cheese Podcast welcomes Orlando Haynes, North American talent acquisition lead at Mosaic. Orlando breaks down why personal branding is a game-changer for recruiters, offering practical tips on leveraging LinkedIn and navigating job searches after layoffs. He also shares how a strong personal brand can transform employees into powerful company ambassadors, boosting recruitment and client attraction. Catch this episode for smart strategies in today's job market—listen now!

Live from the Shaker Green Room at RecFest USA, Chad & Cheese chat with Ashten Fizer, a dynamic talent brand creator, who brings fresh insights on employer branding to the table. What's Inside: ✅ The real deal on why authenticity beats overproduced videos in today's branding world. ✅ How effective branding needs cross-department collaboration and creative design systems. ✅ Surprising insights into global recruitment strategies (Hint: LinkedIn isn't always the answer!). ✅ How a genuine DEI approach can broaden talent pools and drive innovation. If you're looking to craft a brand that speaks to diverse audiences and embraces transparency, this episode is a must-listen!

Ep 684: Are We Now Living In A Video First World? Using video is no longer optional in talent attraction. Candidates now expect to engage with short-form, authentic video content, and LinkedIn is now prioritizing vertical video to play catch up with TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram. Candidates are no longer just reading job descriptions—they're engaging with video storytelling that shapes their perception of potential employers.  Does this mean we're officially in a video-first world, and if it does, how should recruitment marketing and employer branding adapt to stay ahead? My guest this week is Rhona Pierce, founder and lead creative director of Perceptible Studios. Rhona specializes in helping talent acquisition teams use video effectively without getting lost in time-consuming production.  In our conversation, she shares why short-form, unscripted content performs so well, how companies can encourage employees to be part of the content creation process, and how good is "good enough" for video production. In the interview, we discuss: The most important video trends What type of content are employers finding most successful? Telling employee stories authentically The changing tone of business videos Production and outsourcing Nuance and expertise The role of AI What does the future look like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts Follow this podcast on Spotify.

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash team up with the marketing maestro, Gina Alioto from Shaker Recruitment Marketing, to dive into the wild world of experiential marketing. They chat about how this approach can turn brand experiences into something you'd remember even if you had the memory of a goldfish, by tickling all your senses. Gina drops some knowledge bombs on why employer branding feels like it's stuck in the '90s compared to today's marketing, and she highlights the importance of Shaker's Vision Report. They also tackle the notion of investing in your brand during economic rollercoasters - because, why not, right? The conversation veers into how tech and analytics could make recruitment as personalized as your grandma's knitting, the ever-evolving DEI scene (which is more complex than assembling IKEA furniture), and why sustainable innovation should be as integral to your business strategy as coffee is to your morning routine. The episode wraps up with a rallying cry for talent leaders to not just sit on their hands but to grab the steering wheel and drive some change, because as we all know, standing still in business is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. Chapters 00:00 - Introducing Gina 02:52 - The Essence of Experiential Marketing 06:07 - Bridging the Gap in Employer Branding 09:04 - The Vision Report: Insights and Themes 11:56 - Investing in Brand: A New Perspective 15:09 - The Role of Technology in Recruitment 18:07 - Analytics and Measuring Success 21:01 - Navigating DEI in Today's Landscape 24:07 - Sustainable Innovation in Recruitment

Round up is the monthly show on The Recruiting Future Podcast channel that highlights episodes you may have missed and gives you my take on some of the key learnings from the guests. Episodes mentioned in this Round Up: Foresight Ep 679: The Future of TA – Breaking Silos  Ep 683: The AI Revolution Is About People, Not Technology Influence Ep 680: How To Secure A Budget For TA Technology Ep 682: What Can Talent Acquisition Learn From Network Science? Talent & Skills Ep 678: Assessing Durable Skills To Future Proof Hiring Ep 674: Seeing Skills Differently: Lessons from Elite Sports Ep 675: Hiring Without Limits: Why Accessibility Matters Ep 676: Why Behavioral Science Is The Future Of Talent Acquisition Technology Ep 677: Rethinking Recruiting For AI Ep 681: Can AI Fix TA's Biggest Problem? Thanks to Plum for their support of Round Up Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts Follow this podcast on Spotify

AI isn't just a technology revolution—it's a people and talent revolution. AI could transform businesses at every level, but many HR and TA teams are still on the sidelines. The reality is that AI adoption, workforce transformation, and enterprise strategy aren't just IT or executive priorities—they're fundamentally people challenges. So, how are CPOs and CHROs currently thinking, and what should they do to shape the future? Keep listening to find out. AI is already reshaping how businesses operate, creating new opportunities and new risks. However, many HR & TA leaders are still treating AI as an operational tool rather than what it truly is: a strategic driver of workforce transformation. AI is redefining jobs, skills, and ways of working at an unprecedented pace, and organizations that fail to integrate HR into their AI strategy risk falling behind. At the same time, the talent market remains unpredictable, employee movement is slowing, and retention is more critical than ever. While some companies are racing to adapt, others are taking a wait-and-see approach. But as we've seen before, hesitation in times of change comes with consequences. HR and talent leaders have a rare opportunity to step up not just to improve hiring but also to influence enterprise-wide strategy.  My guest this week is Laura Coccaro, Chief People Officer at iCIMS. With access to one of the world's most comprehensive hiring data sets, Laura has a unique perspective on the intersection of AI, talent, and business strategy. In our conversation, we discuss why HR must take ownership of AI's impact on the workforce, how businesses can future-proof their talent strategies, and what talent leaders need to do now to stay ahead of the curve. In the interview, we discuss: How CPOs are thinking about 2025 Managing risk around talent availability, attrition, and retention Balancing technology and humans to optimize the employee and candidate experience HR's role in enterprise AI strategy Why AI equals people transformation How skills are shifting  Thinking differently about how the work gets done How much will things change in the next 18 to 24 months? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

What if everything we thought about how organizations function was wrong? For decades, businesses have been structured around hierarchies and rigid processes, assuming this was the best way to manage talent, collaboration, and leadership. But what if the real key to high performance and better talent acquisition lies not in org charts but in networks? The emerging disciple of Network Science has quietly been reshaping everything from social media to healthcare, so what happens when we apply it to how we work, lead, and hire? Organizations are complex systems, yet most companies are still managed using outdated, linear models. What if network science, a discipline that has revolutionized everything from the internet to disease control, could also transform the way we think about leadership, collaboration, and hiring So, how do networks really shape the way organizations function, and could a deeper understanding of them change how we hire, engage, and retain talent? My guest this week is Jeffrey Beeson, a leadership strategist and expert in organizational networks. Jeffrey's work focuses on how businesses can optimize collaboration, unlock hidden influencers, and rethink traditional hierarchies using the principles of network science. We discuss how understanding an organization's internal networks can improve hiring decisions, enhance onboarding, and increase retention by fostering stronger workplace connections.  In the interview, we discuss: What is network science, and how does it apply to business? How all complex systems are based on network patterns and laws Three degrees of influence How emotions travel through networks The best-connected individuals have the most influence. Identifying influencers Retention, onboarding, and talent management The application of network science to talent acquisition Applying network solutions to network problems The future of work Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

People are worried about the use of AI in recruiting. Headlines warn us that artificial intelligence might amplify biases and automate unfairness. Regulators are scrambling to introduce legislation, and talent acquisition leaders are cautious about adopting these new tools. But is this fear causing us to miss the bigger picture? When implemented intentionally and responsibly, could AI become one of the most powerful tools we've ever had for reducing systemic bias and creating fairer hiring practices? Keep listening to find out. Recruiting processes often prioritize speed and familiarity over fairness and inclusion and, in so doing, reinforce existing biases. With AI becoming increasingly integrated into hiring, many worry that this technology will amplify bias even more. However, some recently published research suggests this assumption doesn't tell the whole story. My guest this week is Torin Ellis, an experienced recruiter, DEIB strategist, and high-profile advocate for fair and inclusive hiring. Torin recently published research in collaboration with Plum, specifically highlighting how organizations that use AI in an intentional way are seeing significant improvements in diversifying their candidate slates and expanding their talent pools. He believes that AI can create a more level playing field for all candidates if it's properly deployed. Torin also emphasizes that the risks of AI-driven biases are real, and recruiters need to approach AI thoughtfully and responsibly. In the interview, we discuss: What makes recruiting systemically biased Democratizing access to opportunity How AI is diversifying slates of talent The dangers of relying on resumes Using AI intentionally to reduce bias  Upskilling, reskilling, and driving toward equal compensation What are the dangers of AI? How are employers responding to the attacks on DE&I? What does the future look like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

In this episode, the boys chat with Hannah Peet, the co-founder of Candidly, an ATS so generic it's called "white-label." Hannah waxes poetic about her grand adventure in HR tech, explaining how Candidly plans to make hiring as simple as a kindergarten art project for SMBs. They dive into the thrilling world of partnerships and the start-ups focus on going to market on the backs of more established companies. What else? How about AI in candidate matching and don't forget the white-label magic? They also tackle the competitive landscape, where Candidly is apparently David to the Goliath of existing ATS providers, all while navigating the treacherous waters of marketing and pricing like they're sailing through a storm in a teacup. The 'firing squad' segment? More like a gentle critique session where they probably realized their messaging might be about as clear as mud. Does Candidly survive the Firing Squad? Gotta listen to find out.

According to Gartner 83% of HR technology buying decisions end in regret. In a world where talent acquisition is more complex and business-critical than ever, why are so many organizations making technology investments they later wish they hadn't? The challenge isn't just about picking the right tools; it's about proving its value, winning stakeholder buy-in, and ensuring it delivers tangible business outcomes. Buying talent acquisition technology has never been more challenging. Economic uncertainty, increasing stakeholder scrutiny, and the rapid pace of innovation mean that making the right decision—and proving its value—can feel like an uphill battle. With so much information available, how do TA leaders ensure they're making the best possible choice while also securing the budget and support they need? My guest this week is Matt Sharp, SVP of Go-To-Market and General Manager of EMEA at iCIMS. Matt shares expert insights into how organizations can navigate the complexities of building a compelling business case, engage vendors more strategically, and ultimately make technology decisions they won't regret. In the interview, we discuss: The difficulties and complexity of the current tech procurement landscape The increasing number of stakeholders involved in making a decision Mitigating risk through better research Involving vendors in the process in a strategic way Understanding what different stakeholders care about Dealing with mandated software that is not fit for purpose The business case isn't the process. It is the output of the process. Value journeys and value engineering What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify

Live from the Shaker Green Room at RecFest USA, Torin Ellis sits down with Chad & Cheese to tackle the evolving landscape of diversity and inclusion (D&I). As some organizations retreat under external pressures, Torin delivers a wake-up call—now is not the time to step back. He challenges leaders to honor their commitments, exposes the political forces shaping D&I strategies, and reminds us that real progress demands intention. With 2025 on the horizon, he highlights the companies still doing the work and calls on individuals—especially those with privilege—to step up.

Talent acquisition is evolving faster than ever. With AI reshaping the hiring landscape, skill gaps widening across industries, and businesses facing constant disruption, the role of TA leaders is shifting significantly. It's no longer just about hiring—it's about breaking down silos, driving workforce transformation, and ensuring companies have the right talent to stay competitive. So, what does this mean for TA leaders? How can they move beyond being reactive and take on a more strategic role in shaping the future of work? And with the rise of fractional and interim TA leadership, is this the next big shift in how companies access talent expertise? My guest this week is Virginia Tirado, an experienced TA and talent leader who has seen firsthand how the function is evolving. In this episode, she shares her insights on the growing need for skills-based hiring, how TA leaders can build stronger partnerships across the business, and why embracing change is key to staying relevant in an uncertain future. In the interview, we discuss: From reactive to strategic Data-driven decision making How does TA now fit into the talent function? Breaking down silos Influencing business objectives The importance of partnering  What skillset and outlook do leaders need right now? Fractional, interim, and consulting Skills-based hiring What does the future look like for TA Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

AI, bias, the metaverse, and... J.Cole?

For as long as we can all remember, hiring has been built around resumes detailing previous experience, qualifications, job titles, and technical skills. But in a world where jobs are changing faster than ever, the skills that seem essential today can quickly become obsolete tomorrow. Hard skills are perishable, but durable skills like adaptability, problem-solving, and teamwork are now the real predictors of long-term success.  So, how can companies move beyond outdated hiring practices and focus on what really matters? And what does this shift towards durable skills mean for hiring managers and job seekers looking to future-proof their careers? My guest this week is Caitlin MacGregor, CEO and co-founder of Plum. Caitlin is a massive advocate for hiring based on durable skills and the science behind this. She shares why resumes are no longer enough and why focusing on durable skills could be the key to long-term success for employers and employees. In the interview, we discuss: What are durable skills? Why do they ensure while hard skills are perishable? The science behind this Innate talent, drivers, and drainers Using accurate assessment data rather than inaccurate resume data How to elevate durable skills in the hiring process How to identify key behavioural indicators at a time when jobs are changing so quickly How should individual think about their durable skills? What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify

Eleven years ago, I wrote a blog post with a title that asked the question, “Can you replace a recruiter with an algorithm?”. It provoked an instant reaction and a resounding no from everyone who read it. Fast forward to the present day, and technology has moved on exponentially, but the debate about technology replacing what have always been considered very human aspects of recruiting remains as emotionally charged as it has always been. The mental models and cultural norms around recruiting run deep, but are we having the right debate? Perhaps the real shift isn't about AI replacing recruiters. It's about how quickly recruiters can rethink their role and let go of outdated assumptions. There are several recruiting tasks that AI can already do much better than humans, and the scope is only going to increase. So what's left for recruiters? How do we redefine the role of talent acquisition in an AI-driven world? And why is mindset the most critical factor in whether AI becomes a threat or an opportunity? My guest this week is Nikos Moraitakis, CEO of Workable. In our wide-ranging conversation, we discuss the advancing cognitive ability of AI and how it is changing the way we need to think about what it means to be a recruiter. In the interview, we discuss: The increasing cognitive ability of technology Recruiting tasks that AI can already do better than humans How AI can do things that are impossible for humans Lessons from adjacent areas, such as finance The importance of recruiters focusing on high-value tasks Agentic AI and Reasoning Models What will the ATS of the future be like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Talent acquisition is fundamentally about people making decisions, but how often do we stop to consider why people make the decisions they do? Whether it's a recruiter screening a resume, a hiring manager assessing a candidate or a successful applicant deciding whether to accept the role, behavioral science plays a role in every step of the process. Yet, despite its power, the psychology of hiring goes unnoticed, operating in the background rather than being used strategically. What if we could harness it to improve candidate experience, reduce bias, and make hiring more effective? My guest this week is Stephen Reilly, an experienced Global Talent Acquisition & Talent Transformation Specialist. In our conversation, he explains how behavioral science and psychology influence hiring, why recognizing these patterns is critical, and how TA leaders can apply these insights to transform their processes. In the interview, we discuss: Behavioral science and behavioral psychology Why behavioral science is so vital in TA right now Transparency in the candidate experience Small interventions that make a massive difference How recruiters are already using behavior science but might not realize it Apply science at scale to recruiting. Process optimization and evolution Advice to TA leaders on the first steps to take Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

At a time when DE&I initiatives are facing increasing hostility, it's more important than ever to highlight the real value of inclusive hiring. Beyond being the right thing to do, inclusive hiring broadens talent pools, fosters innovation, and ensures that organizations tap into the full spectrum of people's skills and potential. But what does true accessibility in hiring look like, and how can companies create recruitment processes that are genuinely fair for everyone?   My guest this week is Ron Fish, Global Talent Acquisition Leader at Ivanti and a passionate advocate for disability inclusion in the workplace. Ron is at the forefront of championing accessibility not just to comply with regulations but to build environments where everyone can succeed. In the interview, we discuss: How a revelation about the corporate career site accelerated Ron's journey as an advocate for disability inclusion. Optimal work environments work for everyone. How accessibility has massively advanced inclusion and belonging at Ivanti When bias outweighs common sense Focusing on skills and abilities Treating people as individuals rather than labels Accommodations in the hiring process, how simple changes can make a huge difference Why individuals with disabilities might be reluctant to disclose their needs during the recruitment process, and what strategies can address these concerns Shifting the perception of disability to make hiring more inclusive Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Have you ever wondered how an elite baseball player can track a 95-mile-per-hour fastball and actually connect? Or how a Premier League footballer can deliver a perfect pass over half the pitch to a moving teammate? The way elite athletes develop their attributes and build skills has big lessons for how we need to think about talent and hiring in the workplace. We've been discussing skills-based hiring and skills-based organizations for a while now. As the need for skills agility grows, we must deepen our understanding of the attributes, skills, and potential to make better hiring decisions. One area that uses cutting-edge science to do this is elite sport. My guest this week is Dr. Daniel Laby, a Sports Vision Ophthalmologist who works with elite athletes and top baseball teams, including the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox. This is a really fascinating discussion with some important lessons for HR and Talent Acquisition, for example, why we should emphasize future potential over past performance, the importance of recognizing that sometimes there is a specific order in which skills need to be developed, and why average can sometimes be mistaken for best in skills assessment. In the interview, we discuss: How do you improve elite performance? Working with Red Bull and Trent Alexander-Arnold A common misconception about vision The importance of specific attributes in specific sports Nature, nurture and brain plasticity The skills pyramid How small changes make a big difference The role of technology Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts Follow this podcast on Spotify. A full transcript will appear here shortly

The move towards skills-based strategies in organizations is still a big topic. This is unsurprising, as the advantages are significant. Skills-based thinking solves critical business challenges by better aligning talent strategies to business goals and offering the skills agility many employers badly need. Skills-based hiring also widens talent pools and challenges the entrenched mental models that sometimes form barriers to companies hiring the talent they actually need. However, the road to being a skills-based organization is long and complex, and only a small minority of employers are making real progress. So, what needs to change? How can AI be harnessed? How can we anticipate future skills needs? And how should TA teams be reimagined to make skills-based hiring a reality? My guest this week is Jen Cunningham, VP of Global Talent Acquisition at Pearson. Pearson is leading the way with skills-based people strategies, and Jen has a wealth of experience and insight to share. In the interview, we discuss: How TA is evolving Elevating the candidate experience Agility, resilience, and authenticity Better alignment between people strategy and business strategy How do you identify and validate skills? Internal and external agility How the traditional structure of HR is changing. Data, strategy, and influence What skills should TA teams have in the age of AI? What does the future look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

From the Shaker Green Room at RecFest USA, Darnell Hill, Vice President of Talent Acquisition at AAA Mountain West Group, joins The Chad & Cheese to discuss the company's transformation and his insights into the HR landscape. He shares how AAA is redefining its brand beyond its traditional association with roadside assistance, venturing into areas like AAA Smart Home and auto repair partnerships, while also reflecting on past initiatives. The conversation explores unexpected trends in 2024. Looking ahead to 2025, Hill underscores AI's potential to enhance hiring quality, going beyond just improving the candidate experience. He also discusses employee retention and development strategies, advocating for micro-learning and prioritizing candidates with growth potential over those with strictly relevant experience.

Career Sites still play a central role in talent acquisition, but are they evolving quickly enough? With many employers still working in career site redevelopment cycles that take years rather than months, are they keeping pace with candidate expectations and rapid advances in technology? My guest this week is Bas van de Haterd, who is returning to the show to give us his annual update on the career site research he has been running for the past 18 years. The latest edition looks at 100 data points across the careers sites of 550 large employers to determine the key trends and just how quickly career sites are evolving. In the interview, we discuss: What does the career site landscape of 2025 look like? What's new, what's getting worse, what's getting better Rethinking Job advert design Ghosting The role of corporate podcasts How Conversational AI is killing legacy chatbots The one thing employers can do to radically improve their results What does the future look like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Following this podcast on Spotify A full transcript will appear here shortly.

Frontline hiring is more competitive than ever, with speed and efficiency now critical for success. However, the challenge doesn't stop at making the hiring process faster; employers also need to stand out from their competition by offering a high-quality candidate experience and having a recruiting process that allows them to showcase what makes their organization unique. It's clear that AI-powered recruiting is already driving speed and efficiency in frontline hiring for many large organizations, but what's the right balance between technology and humans to deliver an exceptional candidate experience and highlight an organization's unique culture? My guests this week are Sonja Breuer, Senior Vice President of Human Resources, and Aaron Einhorn, Senior HR Business Partner at Hamra Enterprises. In our conversation, they share how Hamra has successfully leveraged AI-powered recruiting technology to reduce their time-to-hire from 13 days to just 4. They also discuss how this has enabled them to better highlight the values, benefits, and culture that make Hamra Enterprises a uniquely attractive employer. In the interview, we discuss: Hamra's unique culture and employee programs Using AI to radically reduce time to hire  Maintaining a consistent and engaging candidate experience Combining conversational AI with purposeful human connections Why speed, experimentation, and agility are critical in AI-powered recruiting. What happens if the AI makes a mistake? Building a true partnership with their technology vendor to drive innovation. What does the future look like Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Onstage at Outsolve's HR Gumbo Conference in New Orleans, Keith Sonderling, the former Commissioner of the EEOC, joins Chad & Cheese to discuss major trends in employment discrimination and the evolving role of AI in HR. He notes a significant spike in discrimination charges post-recession, particularly age discrimination, followed by increases in sexual harassment, equal pay, and racial discrimination claims due to various societal movements and events. Sonderling highlights the broad applicability of the Executive Order on Cybersecurity across all sectors and the challenges of managing discrimination claims, especially with the rise in religious exemptions post-COVID vaccine mandates. He also addresses the complexities of returning to office post-pandemic, disability discrimination, particularly mental health claims, and generational workplace dynamics. The conversation delves into the legal implications of AI in hiring, emphasizing the need for bias audits and the potential for AI to reduce traditional hiring biases if properly implemented. Lastly, the guys touch on the legislative landscape for AI in HR and the risks of fraud in emerging tech like the metaverse, concluding with the importance of clear policies and verification processes to ensure fairness and compliance.

It feels like Recruiting has come a long way since the days of help-wanted ads in newspapers, but are we genuinely innovating or just consistently repackaging outdated ways of doing things? For well over a century, versions of the resume and job ad have been the foundation of hiring, but as technology and work itself move on at an ever-increasing pace, it's clear these tools weren't designed for the world we are now in. So, can we finally move beyond them to build a solid foundation for an AI-powered approach?  My guest on Episode 670 is one of the original pioneers of online recruiting, Jeff Taylor, the founder of Monster.com, or the MonsterBoard as it was known back in 1994. Jeff built Monster during the infancy of the internet when the rest of the industry was still faxing resumes and placing ever more expensive ads in the newspapers. He introduced the world to online job postings and the resume database, which, very much to his surprise and increasing alarm, are still core tenets of recruiting 30 years later. Jeff is now back in the industry and is launching a new business later in the year. In our conversation, we discuss the need for innovation and reinvention in recruiting to harness AI and address complex challenges employers now face.  In the interview, we discuss: Jeff and Monster's back story and what recruiting was like in 1994  The early days of the internet and what helped Monster to scale to 100 million registered resumes Resumes and job postings have barely changed in over 100 years, and why this is now a big problem. How AI is reshaping recruitment without addressing its foundational inadequacies  How employers are losing control of their own job postings Looking at the whole person and the growing importance of the personal brand What the future of hiring looks like when we put people, not processes, at the centre What's next for Jeff Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

In this hilarious installment of The Chad & Cheese Podcast Does Europe, Lieven joins the boys as they embark on a wild ride through Europe, sharing tales of cultural faux pas and giving shout-outs that'll make you spit out your coffee. Buckle up as they dive into Belgium's bold new laws for sex workers - because who knew bureaucracy could be so sexy? But wait, there's more! They tackle the elephant in the room, or should we say, the AI in the workplace? ChatGPT's on the scene, and it's not just for writing your grandma's birthday cards anymore. It's revolutionizing recruitment, turning headhunters into tech-hunters. Then, it's a somber stroll through Germany's economic woes - because nothing says "comedy gold" like discussing inflation in the land of beer and pretzels. Nicht gut! Prediction time! Lieven dons his prophetic hat to predict the staffing industry's future in 2025 from a European POV, where AI is the new HR MVP. Then they navigate the GDPR minefield on LinkedIn, where American tech giants are learning that in Europe, privacy is not just a suggestion ... especially in Ireland. The episode rounds off with a look at the new kids on the recruitment block - startups that might either be the next big thing or just another flash in the pan, including CoachHub, Popp AI and Talentium. All this, served with a side of their signature snark and belly laughs Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Scene 03:01 - Cultural Observations and Travel Experiences 05:59 - Shout Outs and Humor in European Contexts 09:01 - Legislation and Rights for Sex Workers in Belgium 12:03 - Technological Innovations: ChatGPT and Scheduled Tasks 15:00 - Economic Challenges in Europe: Layoffs and Market Trends 22:00 - Predictions for 2025: The Future of Recruitment and AI 25:34 - Optimizing Job Applications with AI 30:00 - LinkedIn's GDPR Challenges and Implications 40:02 - Buy or Sell: Evaluating New Recruitment Startups 57:01 Closing Thoughts and Humor (So Much Humor)

With 1.5 million applications each year, L'Oréal Group's talent acquisition team faces challenges on a scale most organizations would never experience. Managing this volume while ensuring a high-quality candidate experience demands innovation, agility, and the right balance between humans and technology AI plays a key role in L'Oréal Group's TA evolution, helping with screening and driving quality and efficiency via automation and standardization. So, how do you use AI to transform talent acquisition without losing the vital human touch? My guest this week is Michael Kienle, Global VP of Talent Acquisition at L'Oréal Group. In our conversation, Michael shares how his team is leveraging AI to improve the candidate experience and why he believes AI will help the TA teams of the future to radically increase the value they create for the business.  In the interview, we discuss: The growing complexity of talent acquisition L'Oreal Group's recruiting challenges The critical importance of candidate experience AI impacts the how but not the why or what The balance between humans and machines Standardizing skills Brandstorm, L'Oreal's unique business game and its impact on recruiting Increasing the value creation of TA How much change will we see in the next 12 months? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify.

Budgeting has long been challenging for talent acquisition teams, but the stakes have never been higher in today's volatile economic environment. Many TA leaders find themselves stuck in a cycle of defending past decisions, managing cuts, and struggling to align budgets with business strategy. Meanwhile, CFOs expect data-driven proposals, ROI insights, and long-term planning that TA teams often aren't equipped to deliver. So, how can talent acquisition leaders transform their approach to budgeting, build trust with the C-suite, and position themselves as strategic business partners My guests this week are Madeline Laurano, founder of Aptitude Research, and Joshua Secrest, VP of Client Advocacy at Paradox. We discuss Aptitude's new report, The Talent Acquisition Budget Playbook, which contains actionable strategies to move beyond reactive spending, harness automation for efficiency, and demonstrate clear ROI to unlock longer-term investment. In the interview, we discuss: The background behind the report Some shocking stats about impending budget cuts, budget confidence, and wasted spend Getting maximum return and building credibility Thinking 3-5 years out How to demonstrate ROI Operations benefits versus financial benefits Speaking the language of the CFO The importance of automation and the results it delivers What does the future of TA look like? Follow this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Follow this podcast on Spotify