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Shannah Warwick of BLCKBTS and Filomena Jack of Filomena Jack Studio chat about art, fashion, small businesses, their city to country journeys, and making it all work. Join us!

Making It Up Podcast


    • Mar 28, 2023 LATEST EPISODE
    • monthly NEW EPISODES
    • 36m AVG DURATION
    • 46 EPISODES


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    EP 46 Queen Bee Mobile Bike Mechanic Tara Escudero!

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2023 53:50


    Join Filomena of Filomena Jack Studio and Tara Escudero of Queen Been Mobile Bike Repair in a wandering discussion about bike maintenance and the biking lifestyle. We also chat about educational options, volunteering at Elmira Community Cycle, dogs (Dulcie makes a special appearance), other podcasts, and more.  More about Tara: IG @QueenBeeBike email: Hello@queenbeebike.com website: www.QueenBeeBike.com  Check out Elmira Community Cycle IG @ElmiraBikes Chat withFilomena! :  www.FilomenaJackStudio.com IG @FilomenaJackStudio Check out the Depreshmode Podcast with John Moe. It's a great listen. “I'm glad you're here”

    EP 45 Chatting with Artist Andy Finkle

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 30, 2022 48:20


    Filomena sits with Ithaca NY based artist Andy Finkle. Andy paints, creates, entertains, and is an all around swell fella! Join the convo! More about Andy: @finkled on IG  @e.l.show on IG E.L. Show on YouTube More about Filomena: Www.FilomenaJackStudio.com Filomena on YouTube Join the Patreon party! https://www.patreon.com/FilomenaJackStudio Art supply wish list

    EP 44 Actor + Director Christopher Allen Yerkes!

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2022 40:26


    Join Filomena and her buddy Christopher Allen Yerkes in a conversation about film production, books (of course!), gritty + cute art, and more! More about Christopher: Eight House Productions presents : Annie Baker's The Aliens Performed at The L December 9th and 10th @ 7:30pm December 11th @ 2:30pm Misery Elmira Little Theatre Production Audition Dates: Saturday, January 7th from 7 to 9pm and Sunday, January 8th from 3 to 5. Will be performed in March Name of feature film: Forbidden Fruit . Coming soon

    EP 43 A Chat with Jessica Mawhir of Carpe Diem Salon

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2022 33:31


    Ep 43 of the Making It Up Podcast! Filomena sits down with the talented, funny, and entrepreneurial gal behind Carpe Diem Salon in Elmira Heights. We chat about education, community, metal music, and more! Join the convo and share with your buds! More about Jessica here: https://carpedsalon.com/ www.instagram.com/Etownstylist And more Filomena fun here: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.instagram.com/FilomenaJackStudio

    EP 42 Photographer Chris Golden Chats About Tools for a Successful Business

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 24, 2022 39:07


    Super talented, funny, and swell fella Chris Golden of www.ChrisGoldenPhotography.com chats with Filomena about: Customer service Tools of the trade (no matter what trade that is!) Weddings ...and Absinthe? Hire this guy! Find Filomena here: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 41 Following Curiosity + More

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2022 15:41


    Join Filomena in this mini episode as she chats about following curiosity, following intuition, showing up well…and hula hoops! Thanks to my Patreon supporters for all you do! Follow the fun: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.Instagram.com/FilomenaJackStudio

    Ep 40 Filomena Chats About Staying in Motion

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2022 13:19


    In this mini episode Filomena talks about how she (for once!) didn't over think a project and just WENT LIVE to help others during the beginning of the shut down in 2020.  How do you stay in motion? Let's chat! FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 39 Filomena Chats with Artist and Business Women Laura Wallace of Betelgeuse Pottery

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 25, 2022 27:55


    Join Filomena and artist/mom/business lady Laura Wallace of Betelgeuse Pottery in a chat about studios, trying new platforms, and how to start an art collection. Find more about Laura: https://m.facebook.com/BetelgeusePottery/ https://www.betelgeusepottery.com/ More about Filomena: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.instagram.com/FilomenaJackStudio 

    EP 38 Filomena Chats with J.D. Iles of Hidden Landmarks TV

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2022 33:41


    Hang out with Filomena and J.D. Iles of Hidden Landmarks TV (found on Facebook) as they chat about how to engage your community, why local history is so important, and how to build an audience…and maybe a bit about buying a house. Great chat! Join the conversation! More about J.D. Iles: jdiles@kw.com 607-725-8704  Hidden Landmarks TV on FB https://www.facebook.com/JD.Iles More about Filomena: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com @FilomenaJackStudio on IG

    EP 37 Filomena's New Word of the Year for 2022

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 31, 2021 11:16


    Happy New Year! Join Filomena as she chats about motivation, setting her sites on great things, and of course, books! Join the conversation! What is your 2022 Word of the Year going to be? Make contact: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com! Much love! Filomena :)

    EP 36 Legacy Ghosts, Depression Monsters, Bad Wolves!

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 27, 2021 15:43


    Join Filomena, coach, artist, and mental health warrior in a chat about mental health tools, her love of Halloween and the band Awolnation. Look into the song: Hollow Moon by Awolnation Find Filomena: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 35 Let's Look At Our Plans

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2021 16:55


    Filomena chats about plans, the artist's brain space, sewing, theatre, and more! Join the convo! See more at www.FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 34 Filomena's #1 Tip for Making Up a Successful Art Life

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 29, 2021 8:09


    Mentioned in this episode: The ARTS Council of the Southern Finger Lakes Community Arts of Elmira Jersey City Arts Council www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.CoachFilomena.com

    EP 33 Filomena‘s Road Back from Disillusionment

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2021 14:49


    In this solo episode Filomena discusses how she found her way back to the sunny side after experiencing  a recent disappointing circumstance. Check out Byron Katie's book “Loving What Is” for a deeper dive into this coaching modality. See more about Filomena @ www.CoachFilomena.com and www.FilomenaJackStudio.com

    SEASON 3! EP 32 Chat with Dr. (and creative gal) Brianna Thompson

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2021 31:52


    YAY! We’ve made it to SEASON 3! I’m feeling proud and thankful! In this episode Filomena sits on her charming Victorian porch in Elmira with Dr., seamstress, artsy gal Brianna Thompson of Voiceful Journals. You can find her social media @voicefuljournals, and also on Etsy www.Etsy.com/shop/voicefuljournals. We chat about art pop ups, schools, and more.  Filomena is hanging out at: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com and www.CoachFilomena.com Thanks for making this podcast so awesome Brianna!

    EP 31 w/ Jennifer Cutton (NSFW)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2021 52:59


    Listener discretion...adult language  We chat about Jennifer’s Facebook group Women’s Wellness Emporium where she educates us and has bedroom enhancement products (etc.) for sale. Find out more about Filomena’s coaching at www.CoachFilomena.com and art at www.FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 30! 4 Quick and (Mostly Free) Habits to Get You to the Sunny Side

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 22, 2021 15:43


    We turn the big 3-0! Woot! Join Filomena as she chat about 4 quick habits that will get you closer to the sunny side...you know... your happy place that sometimes seems *just* out of reach. More about Filomena: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.CoachFilomena.com  

    EP 29 Asking Better Questions with Chris Carbone of Board Gamers Anonymous

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2021 45:02


    This is my favorite episode to date! I sit down with the fun, educated, big hearted, handsome Chris Carbone of Board Gamers Anonymous. We chat about psychology, road trips, and how we must never hide our light. The world needs it! Check out Chris’ podcast and more here: Www.BoardGamersAnonymous.com Want more Filomena info? Here ya go! www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.CoachFilomena.com

    EP 28 Filomena Chats about BUTS vs ANDS

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2020 10:49


    In this mini episode Filomena talks about some thoughts she’s had after listening to an interview with Seth Godin.  What BUTS are getting in the way of our goals? We’d love to hear your thoughts! Find Filomena around the internets: @FilomenaJackStudio and @CoachFilomena

    Ep 27 with Author + Acupuncturist Terry Connell

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 19, 2020 47:18


    Join Filomena and her remote guest Terry Connell in a vibrant discussion about learning to swim (figuratively + literally), living past loss, family ties, and more. More about Terry’s books and acupuncture practice here: www.TerryConnell.net I love this fella and I think you will too ;) More about Filomena: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com + www.CoachFilomena.com

    Ep 26 Surprise Guest! Careers, Body Positivity, + More!

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2020 40:06


    Join the convo! On this episode we chat about getting in shape (inside and out)! @MakingItUp_podcast @FilomenaJackStudio @Blckbts @CoachFilomena

    Ep 25 Three Changes to Make TODAY: Live your Best Life

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2020 18:30


    Join Filomena as she puts on her “Coaching Cap” and chats about 3 free and doable changes we can all make (or reinforce) to drop our anxiety levels and live our best lives. Listen to the episode and tell us, which of these resonated most for you? Check out Filomena on the interwebs: www.CoachFilomena.com + www.FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 24 with Love Multiplies Coach Erik House

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 29, 2020 43:03


    Join Filomena and her friend and guest Erik House of Love Multiplies Coaching. They chat about becoming friends, coaches, and more. Erik even reads an Oracle card for Filomena in the recording. Interesting stuff! (See the card in the additional materials) Thanks for hanging with us on this episode...there are some tech glitches in the audio. Bah!  More about Erik: LoveMultipliesCoaching.com More about Filomena: CoachFilomena.com FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 23 Murals! Books! Gardens! Aging Well!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2020 21:55


    Filomena + Thomas talk about their recent adventures with public art (#ElmiraInfiniteCanvas), reading comics and books, and getting their healthy habits on point! Join the convo! www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.CoachFilomena.com Books!  “The Untethered Soul” by Michael A. Singer ”Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill [Elmira NY comic connection: Heroes Your Mom Threw Out] All things Jeff Lemire (comics, graphic novels) All things Lady Mechanika (Joe Benitez) Cupcakes: Laurabelle’s a Scratch Bakery (Corning NY, vegan for the win!) Meditation tracker: www.Medivate.com

    EP 22 Filomena Chats About Making Masks, Gardening + More!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 31, 2020 14:11


    Still social distancing? Us too. Making It Up is making the best of it! Join Filomena Jack here and at www.CoachFilomena.com + www.FilomenaJackStudio.com Thanks for sharing this podcast :)

    Ep 21! 1st Anniversary + Checking in with Shannah!

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 20, 2020 9:04


    Happy anniversary to us! The podcast is officially 1 year old and ready for a rad 2nd season! In this mini episode Shannah Warwick of BLCKBTS chats about what’s up in her studio during the quarantine. She’s connecting with clients, sewing, coloring, and doing some super fun live videos, find her on FB and IG to get in on the party! Thank you all for your continued support! Here’s to YEAR 2 :)

    Ep 20 Interview with Musician + Hubby Thomas Jack

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 20, 2020 39:55


    Filomena & Thomas Jack chat about their multi decade old relationship, being artists, and what it’s like to have a career in the music biz. Also discussed, Fast & Furious (movie set), proms, John  Joseph’s book The PMA Effect, and more :) Thomas is a founding member of the band Diesel Theory, has worked with producer & musician Steve Austin, toured with Today Is The Day, and is currently promoting his latest Diesel Theory album. Find Diesel Theory on Bandcamp and connect with Thomas on Instagram @Tom.Jack.Music Filomena’s first coloring book has been published! Find it on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Bunzies-Bundalas-Other-Activity-Pages/dp/B086PPKJLP See her classes on Thinkific :) https://coachfilomenaacademy.thinkific.com

    Ep 19 Filomena Chats About the Sunny Side

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2020 14:00


    So, how’s it going? Is the quarantine a time for progress or just stress? We’re sending you love and suggestions in this short Making It Up episode. Read: The Untethered Soul by Michael A. Singer Meditate with: www.Medivate.com Hang with Filomena: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com & www.CoachFilomena.com

    EP 18 Interview with Artist & Bookkepper Stefani Tadio

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 9, 2020 51:18


    Stefani and Filomena chat about money matters, head games, art, and getting things organized. See more about Stefani at: https://theartofbookkeepingny.com/ See more about Filomena at: www.CoachFilomena.com & www.FilomenaJackStudio.com Thanks for subscribing!

    Ep 17 Interview with Artist Francis Smith

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2020 58:47


    See more about Francis: www.AmericanByAnotherName.com @1FrancisSmith on the socials Filomena hangs out here: www.CoachFilomena.com and www.FilomenaJackStudio.com

    EP 16 Shannah & Filomena Focus Up for 2020

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2020 34:38


    The team is back! See more about Shannah @ www.BLCKBTS.com Filomena hangs out @ www.FilomenaJackStudio.com & www.CoachFilomena.com Let’s get MOVING! Thanks for subscribing & sharing!

    Ep 15 Interview with Artist/Teacher/Dancer Emily Swan

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2019 51:43


    When she is not selling her work at comic-con, artist Emily Swan works as a graphic artist, illustrates and self publishes her own comics, instructs art and dance at 171 Cedar Arts Center and pours wine for Wagner Winery. She occasionally finds time to sleep. Her published work can be viewed in Red Stylo Media's '27 Club Anthology', and their book 'THE STRIP, A Twisted Vegas Comic Anthology'. More of Emily's art can be found across the internet at: 'aSwanNamedEmily'. See more about Filomena: @CoachFilomena & @FilomenaJackStudio  

    EP 14 Chat with Artist & Teacher Christina Johnson

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2019 58:15


    Filomena chats with artist & teacher Christina Johnson (and her lovely pets!) We talk about art in classrooms, studio practices, and more. More about this episode: http://www.draughtswomanchristina.com/ IG @CMJFineArt Redbubble: CMJohnson Filomena: @FilomenaJackStudio & @CoachFilomena and the .coms as well :) Ivy League - Alex Tooby @instawithalex

    EP 13 Theater Artist & Teacher Tim Connell

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2019 55:32


    Join Filomena & Dulcie Dog (Shannah’s on vaca!) as we chat with renaissance man Tim Connell. Theater, side gigs, improv, cookies, and more in this episode. Check out Tim’s cabaret show at the Triad Theater in NYC on Nov. 24th @ 5pm. Tickets: 212-279-4200 Check out Tim: www.TimConnell.net Find Filomena: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com & www.CoachFilomena.com Shannah: www.BLCKBTS.com

    EP 12 Interview with Artist Barb Rossi

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2019 46:49


    Join Filomena & Shannah in a chat with the fabu Barb Rossi, a Corning Based artist, jewelry maker, musician, and maker of a beautiful life. Find Barb on IG: @barbtaylorrossi and FB: Barb Taylor Rossi Holiday Service of Remembrance at Phillips Funeral Home: Nov. 17th, 2019 Filomena Jack: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com & www.CoachFilomena.com Shannah Warwick: www.Blckbts.com Mentions in this episode: Liz Gilbert (check out: Big Magic)! Brene Brown Glennon Doyle  Omega Institute 

    EP 11 Public Speaking Tips, Being Busy, and Inktober

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2019 17:27


    In this mini episode Filomena and Dulcie dog (Shannah’s out and about MAKING THE ART & FASHION!) chat about how to increase your public speaking skills, being busy, making it all happen, and Inktober. Find out more!:  Shannah Warkick: www.BLCKBTS.com  Filomena Jack: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com & www.CoachFilomena.com Own it conference: https://www.corningny.com/events/details/own-it-women-s-conference-2019-10182 Elmira art scene: www.CommunityArtsofElmira.com Somo Dot (artist): @SomoDot Toast Masters: www.ToastMasters.org Inktober: @Inktober @Inktober2019   Thanks for hanging out with us! xo Filomena & Shannah (& Dulcie Dog)

    Ep 10 Interview with Artist Julie Thurber!

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2019 50:28


    This week Shannah (of www.BLCKBTS.com) and Filomena (of www.FilomenaJackStudio.com & www.CoachFilomena.com) sit down with the talented and charming Julie Thurber right before her upcoming art show at 171 Cedar Arts in Corning NY.  Don’t miss a minute! Here are some of the topics we chat about: https://margepiercy.com/portfolio-items/sex-wars-a-novel-of-gilded-age-new-york/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman%27s_Bible.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Parker www.Thurberstudio.net   171cedararts.org

    Ep 09 We (Heart) Maine, Vacations, Getting Gigs, and More!

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 22, 2019 54:28


    In this episode Shannah (of www.BLCKBTS.com) & Filomena (of www.FilomenaJackStudio.com & www.CoachFilomena.com) chat about being back from their (working!) vacations, why “fishing” is so important, and how to roll with the unknown.  Join us! Some of the stuff we chat about in this episode: Searsport Campground   https://maineoceancamping.com/    FiberCollege of Maine   https://www.fibercollege.org/   Julie Thurbur   https://171cedararts.org/gallery/   Tim Ferriss   https://fourhourworkweek.com/   Santa Doc   https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2526846/  

    EP 08 Envision Elmira with Lynne Ruskino

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 29, 2019 51:42


    Our first interview episode! (Yay!) Thanks to Lynne Ruskino of Community Arts of Elmira for sitting down and chatting with us (Shannah Warwick of BLCKBTS & Filomena Jack of Filomena Jack Studio & Coach Filomena) about what’s happening in the art community in and around Elmira New York. Mentioned in this week’s podcast: www.BLCKBTS.com www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.CoachFilomena.com Lynne Ruskino, (arts/Community SUPERSTAR!) Community Arts of Elmira email: info@communityartsofelmira.com Somo Dot (artist) @somostrada Michael Houghton (artist, designer, musician) @michaelhoughtonthebrand Brad Leiby (artist) @brad.fjord Brent Stermer (2nd District Councilman of City of Elmira)

    EP 07 Art Life Winning, Failing, How to get Gigs, and a few tears

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2019 58:21


    Ep 07 of Making It Up Podcast! Shannah and Filomena chat about getting GIGS (and getting paid!), collaborations, life long learning, and mental blocks. Join us as we are Making It Up! Find us on iTunes, Google podcasts (use quotes if you can’t find us: “Making It Up Podcast”) Linky Links:   Betelguese Pottery   https://www.betelgeusepottery.com/    Courage and Clarity Podcast   https://www.courageandclarity.com/   Barbie the Welder   https://www.barbiethewelder.com/   Ashley Longshore   https://www.ashleylongshore.com/   Vivid Show at Hector Wine Company  (link to them??)   https://hectorwinecompany.com/    LocalFiberNY   https://localfiber.org/    Community Arts of Elmira   http://www.communityartsofelmira.com/   Rockwell Museum   https://rockwellmuseum.org/   Andrew Loomis ( I did his wikipedia bc I wasnt quite sure what exactly you wanted to reference)   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Loomis    Conan Podcast    https://teamcoco.com/podcasts   Vintage or Tacky   https://www.facebook.com/vintageortacky/   Elizabeth Gilbert   https://www.elizabethgilbert.com/   So many links for this one! xcoxoxoxxooxo           

    Ep 06 Building Your Art & Fashion Empire, How to Podcast, & a Contest

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 15, 2019 51:43


    This week we chat about teaching gigs, grant money, how to podcast and more! Join the discussion! To enter the contest (deadline June 20, 2019) follow us on Instagram @MakingItUp_podcast, tag a friend, and leave a comment. Shannah Warwick: www.Blckbts.com Filomena Jack: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com www.CoachFilomena.com ElanCreative/Dena Merlino https://denamerlino.com/     LocalFiberNY https://localfiber.org/?fbclid=IwAR2HCHmaB6j6EQwik-QfUe36Gek8Y0cIj5J0pKXXqkWUXtP3z80hSnsaLso    Arts Council https://www.earts.org/   Life with Jess Photo www.LifeWJess.com   Care First www.CareFirstNY.org   GlassFest www.CorningFingerLakes.com   Bullyhill Winery https://www.bullyhillvineyards.com/    

    Ep 05 Met Gala, Rupaul, Fingerlakes, Dulcie Dog & More

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 1, 2019 51:22


    In this episode Shannah & Filomena (and adopted dog Dulcie) sit outside and chat about art, life, things we’ve learned and so much more. Thanks for hanging out with us! Links: BLCKBTS   Filomena Jack Studio   Coach Filomena   RuPaul's DragRace: http://www.vh1.com/shows/rupauls-drag-race    Met Gala Images: https://www.vogue.com/slideshow/met-gala-2019-red-carpet-live-celebrity-fashion   Met Fashion Institute Exhibit: https://www.metmuseum.org/press/exhibitions/2019/camp   FingerLakes Region: https://www.fingerlakes.org/   IxNeedxMore: http://ixneedxmore.com/   I think that was everything, eeeeeee

    Ep 04 Vending Art, Interns, Studio Spaces, and Sweet Dogs

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2019 52:30


    Welcome to episode 04! Links can be found on our blog: www.MakingItUpPodcast.wordpress.com   Thanks so much! We’d love for a 5 star rating on iTunes and for you to subscribe and share. Cheers! Shannah & Filomena   Blckbts Filomena Jack Studio Coach Filomena  

    EP 03 Art Chat: Residencies, Ukuleles, Boobs, and More!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2019 54:19


    Thanks so much for sharing your earballs with us! On today’s episode we chat about how and why to get artist residencies, how grants work, and why the ukulele is your new best friend. And also boobs. Join these lady entrepreneurs as they MAKE IT UP! See more about Shannah Warwick: www.Blckbts.com See more about Filomena Jack: www.FilomenaJackStudio.com and www.CoachFilomena.com

    EP 02 Art and Business Chat...And Peewee Herman

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 21, 2019 38:07


    Join Shannah Warwick of @BLCKBTS and Filomena Jack of @FilomenaJackStudio as we really start the podcast this time. Really. Topics including art, fashion, small business, small communities, country living (with squirrels)...and all things included in MAKING IT UP. Thanks for checking out our new adventure...stay tuned for more fun!   XO SW & FJ

    EP 01 Art, Fashion, Creativity: We Make It Up! Welcome!

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 20, 2019 55:33


    Welcome to the Making It Up Podcast! (Cue the disco beats!) In this podcast artists and ladies who make it happen Shannah Warwick of BLCKBTS and Filomena Jack of Filomena Jack Studio chat about living a creative life, making art, and figuring stuff out. And friendship. And country living... Thanks for giving us a listen! We are working to make great content that sounds divine. It may take us a little while to get there, but that’s part of the fun!

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