Podcast appearances and mentions of Elizabeth Gilbert

Kevin J. Tracey, MD is president and CEO of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research at Northwell Health, a pioneer of vagus nerve research and author of the recent book, The Great Nerve: The New Science of the Vagus Nerve and How to Harness Its Healing Reflexes. This episode is brought to you by:Eight Sleep Pod Cover 5 sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: EightSleep.com/Tim (use code TIM to get $350 off your very own Pod 5 Ultra.)AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D plus 5 free AG1 travel packs with your first subscription purchase.)Wealthfront high-yield cash account: https://Wealthfront.com/Tim (Start earning 4.00% APY on your short-term cash until you're ready to invest. And when new clients open an account today, you can get an extra fifty-dollar bonus with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more.) Terms apply. Tim Ferriss receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage, LLC for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of Wealthfront Brokerage. See full disclosures here.Timestamps:00:00 Tim's intro: why he dismissed vagus-nerve hype06:34 What the vagus nerve actually is, plus common myths11:31 Breaking news: FDA approval for SetPoint's RA implant + Kelly Owens's turnaround21:11 Inflammation 101: when healing turns harmful31:37 Bioelectronic medicine: from lab insight to real devices55:26 TNF, IL-1, and IL-6: immune drivers and what VNS modulates56:06 Exercise & recovery: vagal signals, IL-6, and adaptation56:30 Cold exposure & breathwork: sympathetic spike, parasympathetic payoff59:04 Chronic inflammation today: prevalence, diagnostics, and uncertainty59:53 Autoimmunity: genes, environment, infections01:01:08 Stress hormones, personality traits, and metabolic fallout01:05:41 VNS tech landscape: implants, focused ultrasound, and what's just TENS01:11:14 Ear maps, revisited: the real science behind auricular stimulation01:27:52 Ulf Andersson: auricular TENS, famotidine, and a depression turnaround01:36:48 Depression & inflammation: where VNS helps (and where it doesn't)01:41:38 Body-brain loop: how inflammation signals ride the vagus nerve01:42:56 Why VNS can lift mood: a working theory01:43:22 Ulf's setup: electrode placement and twice-daily routine01:44:37 Acupuncture, fertility, and plausible vagal links01:47:23 Chronic pain through an inflammation lens01:48:34 Neural “engrams”: how the brain can store inflammatory memories02:02:35 Cervical TENS vs. true VNS: mechanisms and open questions02:12:15 On stage with the Dalai Lama: blue energy and two vagus nerves02:16:55 Closing thoughts: self-care vs. medical devices, and what's next*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I was recently inspired by re-reading Elizabeth Gilbert's "Big Magic." Today I am sharing how I found some of her advice to be a great way to decrease burnout. We must reconnect with and then protect our own OB/GYN magic. Don't forget to sign up for my FREE course (and the replay if you can't make it live)! I'm hosting "The Secret to Being a Happy Gynecologist" and you can register here: coach-miles.com/secret

Dr. Jeffrey Goldberg is Professor and Chair of Ophthalmology and Director of the Byers Eye Institute at Stanford University, a leading scientist in the development and degeneration of the visual system from eye to brain, and a practicing ophthalmologist and surgeon.This episode is brought to you by: Gamma AI design partner for effortless presentations, websites, social media posts, and more: https://gamma.app (use code TIM at checkout for one month off on their annual plan)Helix Sleep premium mattresses: https://HelixSleep.com/Tim (27% off on all mattress orders)AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D plus 5 free AG1 travel packs with your first subscription purchase.)Timestamps:[00:00:00] Start.[00:05:30] How do you solve a problem like presbyopia?[00:08:34] The athletic benefits of training supranormal (better than 20/20) vision.[00:11:49] Indigenous eye drops and FDA-approved pilocarpine for presbyopia.[00:14:05] Understanding basic eye anatomy.[00:17:27] Exploring AREDS 2, CoQ10, ginkgo, vitamin B3, and other supplements for vision.[00:23:00] Visual training devices and psychedelic-prompted brain plasticity.[00:25:12] Thoughts on visual training effectiveness and motor action requirements.[00:28:29] Concussion rehabilitation and visual perception exercises.[00:32:36] Red light and violet light therapy for myopia and mitochondrial health.[00:36:07] Vision loss correlation with cognitive decline and depression.[00:39:36] Presbyopia progression and psychological dependence on readers.[00:41:15] Cognito Therapeutics headset for Alzheimer's treatment.[00:46:46] Glaucoma basics: neurodegenerative disease and risk factors.[00:48:53] Eye pressure variability and diurnal cycles.[00:50:02] Cannabis effects on eye pressure and compound isolation.[00:51:47] Stem cell research for vision restoration.[00:53:09] Anti-inflammatory effects and immune system role in eye diseases.[00:55:15] Gut microbiome connection to glaucoma in animal models.[00:58:43] Metabolic syndrome and GLP-1 receptor agonists.[01:00:50] Microbiome sharing and future therapeutic possibilities.[01:03:31] Dry eye treatment: preservative-free tears and serum drops.[01:08:43] Vision screening recommendations and UV protection.[01:11:22] Full-spectrum light benefits vs. UV exposure.[01:13:27] Paradigm shifts: irreversible vision loss becoming reversible.[01:17:18] Convergence of neuroscience advances and biotech investment.[01:21:58] Miraculous mitochondria: health, transplants, and three-parent babies.[01:26:24] My family history concerns and metabolic health screening.[01:29:26] Exercise's biggest gain: going from none to some.[01:33:03] Clinical trial participation resources and parting thoughts.*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Veronica Deraleau—financial coach, Army veteran, fintech leader, opera singer (!), and author of Making Money is Simple—joins us for an eye-opening conversation about money mindset, debt, and the courage to rewrite your financial story.Through personal experience and her signature ARIA money model, Veronica helps us shift from shame and confusion into clarity and intentionality around money. You'll walk away inspired, empowered, and ready to take action—from a place of alignment.

Ever wonder about the connection between the benefits of yoga and what's discussed in medical studies? In today's show, you'll learn about how a study on osteoarthritis has a connection to teaching foot and knee alignment in yoga. While this might sound like a stretch, once you listen to the episode, you'll see what I mean.   You'll also hear about themes from the book, “Big Magic” by Elizabeth Gilbert and how they'll be part of a Book Club I'll be offering in the fall, 2025.   Links you'll need:   https://nyulangone.org/news/study-reveals-how-small-changes-walking-technique-may-help-treat-knee-osteoarthritis     https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(25)00151-1/abstract     https://barebonesyoga.thinkific.com/courses/blueprint-learning-program     https://barebonesyoga.thinkific.com/courses/Yoga-Anatomy-Accelerator  

➡ CLICK HERE to send me a text, I'd love to hear what you thought about this episode! Leave your name in the text so I know who it's from! Every so often, I reread books. I don't have that many that I'll put up with again and again, but Elizabeth Gilbert's Big Magic is one of them. So today, a little excerpt from the book for you. Something *I* needed to re(read) this week, so in case it helps you ... here it is! I'd love to hear the fears you're facing and how you're living creativity despite them! Back next week with another INCREDIBLE Milwaukee woman! Support the show

Join Chris Meredith and Paul Fairweather in a lively discussion about the power of curiosity in fostering creativity. Inspired by Elizabeth Gilbert's insights, they explore how consistent curiosity can lead to innovation and the courage to take risks. Discover why the bravest person might just be the one who first tried an oyster, and how embracing failure can be a stepping stone to success. LINKS: Paul Fairweather - Co-host https://www.paulfairweather.com Chris Meredith - Co-host https://www.chrismeredith.com.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After months off the mic, I wasn't sure how to return. What I did know was this …  It's time to start disappointing others so you don't disappoint yourself (thanks Elizabeth Gilbert). Time to stop draining your energy just to keep things smooth, so you can start noticing what peace actually feels like in your body. It's about the energy edits that don't look big on the outside but feel huge in your body. I share the simple, and wildly uncomfortable, ways I've started saying no (without the novel). And how those decisions gave me energy I didn't know I was leaking. If you've been sitting on a decision you already know is a no, and haven't let yourself make it (yet) this one's for you.     Inside this episode: Why “boundaries” never quite landed for me The phrase I use now and how it softened everything Letting go of inherited rules that never felt like mine The epic healing that happens inside, when disappointing others What came rushing in when I stopped abandoning myself     Need support with your own energy edits? EDGE, my brand new 2-week mini container, is now open. The space between the knowing and the doing. If you're craving your energy back, DM me “EDGE” on socials or send me an email amanda@amandaewin.com and I'll share the next steps.

Australia isn't having enough babies but why is it women who are the only ones being scolded about it? Jessie, Amelia and Holly discuss if a reintroduction of the Baby Bonus could reverse the declining birth rate or if it's all too little too late. And some scurrilous new gossip in the Peltz-Beckham feud saga including yacht wars and a premature vow renewal — Amelia can hardly contain her excitement. Plus, the new wellness retreat which involves five days in a *checks notes* pitch black cabin in the middle of nowhere. It's one of our host's worst nightmare for a multitude of unusual reasons while Eat, Pray, Love author Liz Gilbert tried it and offers a completely different opinion. Support independent women's media What To Listen To Next: Listen to our most recent episode: Every Thought We Had About The 2025 Logies Listen: An Urgent Theory About That Skims Face... Thing Listen: There’s A Reason You’re Stuck & Mia’s News Listen: Is It OK To Flirt Outside Of Your Relationship? Listen: How Do You Make A Baby? Jessie Has Questions. Listen: The Great Feminist Exhaustion & One Of Us Has No Charisma Listen: A 10 Year Age Gap & Small Town Judgement Parenting Out Loud: Sleep Divorce, 'Hopeless' Dads & Goodnight To The Bedtime Story Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read: A very important history of David Beckham sooking about not being knighted. Three words from Cruz Beckham just reignited his family's feud. HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'To understand the Beckham family estrangement, we need to go back to 1999.' The perfect burnout cure? This hidden countryside retreat is just hours from Sydney. Why women don’t want to have babies in 2024. 'I got a small pay rise at work. Our childcare fees are now crippling us.' THE END BITS: Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a very special episode for me. My brand-new card game, COYOTE, created in collaboration with Elan Lee and Exploding Kittens, is here. It is available in ~8,000 locations worldwide, including Walmart, Target, Amazon, and many others. Learn more: https://coyotegame.com.This episode is brought to you by: Gamma AI design partner for effortless presentations, websites, social media posts, and more: https://gamma.app (use code TIM at checkout for one month off on their annual plan) Shopify global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: https://shopify.com/tim (one-dollar-per-month trial period)Wealthfront high-yield cash account: https://Wealthfront.com/Tim (Start earning 4.00% APY on your short-term cash until you're ready to invest. And when new clients open an account today, you can get an extra fifty-dollar bonus with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more.) Terms apply. Tim Ferriss receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage, LLC for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of Wealthfront Brokerage. See full disclosures here.Timestamps (will be updated): 00:00 Intro 05:21 The Journey to Creating a Game05:51 The Creative Process Behind Coyote17:16 The Importance of Constraints in Creativity35:04 The Toronto Sprint41:02 The Evolution of Coyote: From Concept to Prototype47:36 Game Design Principles and Recommendations51:53 Introduction to 'Don't Shoot the Dog'53:25 Simplifying Game Design58:55 Playtesting and Iteration01:08:10 Finding the Sweet Spot in Game Difficulty01:14:35 The Success of 'Hurry Up Chicken Butt'01:22:26 Testing and Feedback Process01:34:49 Pitching to Big Retailers01:36:19 Designing the Perfect Game Box01:36:31 Testing and Validating Game Designs01:41:23 The Road to Retail Success01:43:51 Keys to a Successful Line Review01:44:29 The Role of Agents and Publishers02:07:56 Crowdfunding and Self-Publishing02:19:56 Understanding Game Publishing Deals02:27:40 Common Pitfalls in Game Packaging and Marketing02:38:39 Navigating Retail and Distribution Challenges02:47:25 Final Thoughts and a Tantalizing Offer*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Subscribe to our Substack for full, linked shownotes: https://thatromcompod.substack.com/Guest: @amalmdawad or her website If you'd like to make a donation, Amal recommends the Palestine Children's Relief Fund or Medecins Sans Frontieres. Courting Samira, Amal Awad (2011)This is How You Get Better, Amal Awad (2015)The Things We See in the Light, Amal Awad (2021)Our conversation with Saman Shad (who released her new novel The Sex Lives of Married Women earlier this year):https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/set-ups-with-saman-shad/id1703734806?i=1000651936624 https://thatromcompod.substack.com/p/episode-16-set-ups-with-saman-shad Bitter & Sweet, Amal Awad (2023)Eat, Pray, Love, Elizabeth Gilbert (2007)Beyond Veiled Clichés: The Real Lives of Arab Women, Amal AwadMostly Martha (2002, available to rent on Prime)No Reservations (2007, Stan)Blessed Are The Cheesemakers, Sarah-Kate Lynch (2001, Penguin)By Bread Alone, Sarah-Kate Lynch (2003, Penguin)Recorded on Gadigal land. | Editing: Joshua Broadbent, Marker Creative Co. | @thatromcompod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What happens when we're willing to leave behind what we know, in order to grow? In this exploration inspired by Eat Pray Love, we'll journey beyond borders—through Italy, India, and Bali—and into the deeper terrain of the heart. Based on Elizabeth Gilbert's bestselling memoir and its 2010 film adaptation, Eat Pray Love invites us to leave behind the lives we've outgrown and follow the quiet pull of Spirit. It's a story of grief, awakening, and the sacred power of saying “yes” to the call of transformation. Along the way, we encounter the healing of pleasure, the discipline of devotion, and the courage it takes to live life with an open heart. Gretchel Johnson joins us in person for the final installment of our Metaphysics at the Movies series. Come explore what it means to wander, to wonder, and to wake up to your truest self. Website: https://unityfortworth.org Facebook: https://facebook.com/unityfw YouTube: https://youtube.com/unityfortworth

Elizabeth Gilbert is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Big Magic and Eat, Pray, Love as well as several other international bestsellers. Her latest novel, City of Girls, was named an instant New York Times bestseller. Go to ElizabethGilbert.Substack.com to subscribe to “Letters From Love with Elizabeth Gilbert,” her newsletter, which has more than 120,000 subscribers.This episode was originally published in September 20225. Show notes and links: https://tim.blog/2024/09/26/elizabeth-gilbert-2/ Sponsors:Vanta trusted compliance and security platform: https://vanta.com/tim ($1000 off)Our Place's Titanium Always Pan® Pro using nonstick technology that's coating-free and made without PFAS, otherwise known as “Forever Chemicals”: https://fromourplace.com/tim (Shop their sale now!) Shopify global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: https://shopify.com/tim (one-dollar-per-month trial period)Timestamps:[00:00:00] Who is Elizabeth Gilbert? [00:05:42] No cherished outcomes. [00:10:55] Self-compassionate ownership of responsibility. [00:15:52] The daily practice of writing letters from love. [00:22:22] Two-way prayer vs. one-way prayer. [00:30:57] The male approach to this practice. [00:34:27] How do you feel toward yourself vs. about yourself? [00:36:53] Understanding self-hatred to foster self-friendliness. [00:43:20] Setting boundaries and dealing with those who refuse to honor them. [00:50:15] Why (and how) Elizabeth avoids big family holiday gatherings. [00:52:15] Comfort in solitude. [00:53:38] Much abuzz about Elizabeth's new ‘do. [00:57:52] Boundaries, priorities, and mysticism: a relaxed woman as a radical concept. [01:04:02] What mysticism brings to Elizabeth's reality. [01:07:26] A better question to ask than “What do I want?” [01:09:32] Elizabeth's hard-ass approach to project commitment. [01:16:40] Creativity guidance from Elizabeth's higher power. [01:21:08] How *The Morning Pages* influenced *Eat, Pray, Love*. [01:24:27] More productive questions to ask than “Why?” [01:26:16] The pointlessness of purpose anxiety. [01:30:59] Balancing presence with other aspects of a well-lived life. [01:36:17] Comfort with mortality. [01:40:21] What motivates Elizabeth's *Letters from Love* newsletter? [01:41:29] What can potential readers expect from this newsletter? [01:46:33] “Is the universe friendly?” — Frederic W. H. Myers [01:49:29] Parting thoughts. *Show notes for this episode: https://tim.blog/2025/07/24/dr-rhonda-patrick/For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of 'Don't Cut Your Own Bangs,' host Danielle Ireland introduces John Kippen, a resilience and empowerment coach, magician, and motivational speaker. John shares his incredible journey of overcoming a life-threatening brain tumor and how it transformed his life and career.  Throughout the episode, John discusses his healing journey, the power of vulnerability, and the importance of facing one's limiting beliefs. He also reveals the origins of his unique phrase 'impossible really means I am possible' and offers a special gift to listeners. Tune in to uncover valuable wisdom nuggets and be inspired by John's story of triumph over adversity.   00:00 Introduction to the Episode 00:40 Meet John Kippen: A Multihyphenate Talent 01:23 John's Life-Altering Diagnosis 05:46 The Surgery and Its Aftermath 08:04 The Road to Recovery 13:30 Embracing the New Normal 17:29 The Power of Truth and Magic 29:14 The Power of Magic and Connection 29:31 Introducing Treasured: A Journal for Self-Discovery 30:44 The Magic of Personal Connection 32:59 Overcoming Personal Struggles Through Magic 34:38 The Journey to Self-Acceptance 35:42 The Importance of Asking and Vulnerability 50:24 The TED Talk Experience 54:34 Final Thoughts and Encouragement   RATE, REVIEW, SUBSCRIBE TO “DON'T CUT YOUR OWN BANGS”  Like your favorite recipe or song, the best things in life are shared. When you rate, review, and subscribe to this podcast, your engagement helps me connect  with other listeners just like you. Plus, subscriptions just make life easier for everybody. It's one less thing for you to think about and you can easily keep up to date on everything that's new. So, please rate, review, and subscribe today.    DANIELLE IRELAND, LCSW I greatly appreciate your support and engagement as part of the Don't Cut Your Own Bangs community. Feel free to reach out with questions, comments, or anything you'd like to share. You can connect with me at any of the links below.   JOHN KIPPEN: https://www.ted.com/talks/john_kippen_being_different_is_my_super_power_magic_saved_my_life   https://www.johnkippen.com   DANIELLE IRELAND, LCSW Website: https://danielleireland.com/ The Treasured Journal: https://danielleireland.com/journal Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielleireland_lcsw TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dontcutyourownbangspod?_t=ZP-8yFHmVNPKtq&_r=1 Transcript:   John Kippen Edited Interview [00:00:00] [00:00:07] Hello. Hello, this is Danielle Ireland and you are catching an episode of Don't Cut Your Own Bangs. And today I have the great pleasure of introducing you to someone I can now call a new friend John Kippen. John is a multihyphenate. He has had quite a life and he's an excellent storyteller. So this episode you're gonna wanna buckle up. [00:00:31] It is so good. Get those AirPods in, go on your walk, get safely in your car, get ready to listen because this is just an absolutely beautiful episode. But let me tell you a little bit about John. John is a resilience and empowerment coach. He was and is the CEO of a very successful IT company. [00:00:49] He was a main stage performer at the Magic Castle in Los Angeles, so if that just gives you a little insight, is the level of his magic. He is a motivational speaker. He's a life coach, and. He has a TED talk that has received over a million views. And the heartbeat of this TED talk is how he triumphs over tragedy with a diagnosis of a tumor the size of a golf ball that is separating his brainstem and the procedure he needed to save his life, changed his life forever. [00:01:23] Doing the work of healing does not come easily to anyone, but as John so beautifully puts in this episode, if John can do it, you can do it. He's using his stories, his vulnerable and raw experiences, and talking about not only what happened to him, but how he moved through the impossible. [00:01:45] He actually coins a phrase that I love and I'm going to keep. Which is that impossible really means I am possible. So the ultimate magic trick, the ultimate illusion is what your limiting beliefs are about yourself, and how do you use facing those fears and those limiting beliefs to transform your life. [00:02:08] And in John's case, he takes that healing and offers it as a gift to us. As listeners to his clients and his coaching practice to the readers of his book, he has authored a book The Forward by None other than the Jamie Lee Curtis from all of the places. You know her most recently. The Bear where she won an Emmy, but everything everywhere, all at once. [00:02:32] She and John are buds, and she believes in him and believes in his work, and as a champion of that work, it just adds a little extra sparkle and fairy dust to the beautiful work that he's already doing to say that he's been vetted by someone who is so sparkly and magnetic and also deeply entrenched in holding space for the truth and honoring the truth. [00:02:52] This is a heartfelt episode, so what I would recommend. If you're in a place to do so is you might wanna jot some notes down because John drops some beautiful wisdom nuggets in this episode. And the book that he authored is playing The Hand You're Dealt. And what I wanna share too, we talk about it in the episode, but I wanna highlight this 'cause it's really important. [00:03:12] John is giving everyone who listens to the episode a free gift, but it is not linked in the show notes. It is only available to those of you who listen. It's a special little surprise embedded in the episode that you have to listen to find, but it is a free gift from him to you. So without further ado, get ready to sit back, relax, and enjoy the beautiful wisdom of John Kippen. [00:03:35] ​ [00:03:36] Kippen, multihyphenate resilience and empowerment, coach magician, keynote speaker, author, and all around. Nice guy. Thank you for joining me today on the Don't Cut Your Own Bangs podcast. [00:03:47] Danielle: Hollywood legend wrote the forward of his beautiful book, playing the Hand You're Dealt Forward by the one and Only Take It Away, John, Jamie [00:03:58] John: Lee Curtis. [00:03:59] Danielle: Jamie Lee Curtis. Yes. So you have to stay and listen to the entire episode because he's going to tease out a special little giveaway that will only be revealed in the audio. [00:04:10] So you gotta listen. It's not gonna be linked in the show notes, folks. So buckle up, sit down. This is gonna be a great episode with a fun gift for you, a special little dose of magic hidden inside. So, John, you, I mean, all the different fun things that we listed about what you do. You're a magician, you're a motivational speaker, you're a coach. [00:04:30] What I know doing the work I do as a therapist is the skills and trade that you're building your life on. Those were skills that they were. Hard one, like nobody chooses, in my opinion and in my experience, no one chooses to go into a helping profession that hasn't needed help in their life. It's like the, our healing becomes our medicine. [00:04:54] And I really wanna learn about not just what you offer, but your healing journey that put you in the unique position you're in to do the work you do. So, welcome and I'd love to hear from you. [00:05:05] John: So just quickly, the Reader's Digest version of my backstory. Grew up Los Angeles, middle class family, two great parents loving, no sisters or brothers, had everything I needed. [00:05:18] They sent me to a nice school and, I got into theater, started doing theater, in college. I studied theater and became the big man on campus because pretty much I grabbed every opportunity that presented itself. Started a computer company out of college. 'cause I'm a creative problem solver. [00:05:38] That's the thread that goes through everything I do in my life. [00:05:42] Mm-hmm. [00:05:42] John: I look at a problem, I say, how am I gonna solve that? [00:05:45] Mm-hmm. [00:05:46] John: And then in June of July of 2002, I was diagnosed with a four half centimeter brain tumor called an acoustic neuroma. [00:05:55] Danielle: Yes. And this was, so it was slowly severing your brainstem? Correct. [00:05:59] John: It was displacing the brainstem. Causing not only hearing issues, but dizziness upon standing or walking. [00:06:07] Mm-hmm. [00:06:08] John: I had to have something done with it. I would not have survived. [00:06:12] Mm-hmm. [00:06:14] John: And. It was a whirlwind , I went and saw the doctor who finally diagnosed it after seeing him the MRI films, and he, he had no bedside manner. [00:06:25] I remember sitting on the examining room table, right. And the, the tissue paper is crinkling under my butt. Mm-hmm. I could feel the, I could sense the temperature. I'm heightened sensitivity. [00:06:37] And he looks up at the MRI after talking to a neurosurgeon, and he turns around and says, John, you have a four and a half centimeter brain tumor. [00:06:46] It's killing you. We're operating you on Friday. You're gonna go deaf in your left ear, and there's a possibility for some facial weakness. We're gonna do everything we can to prevent that. And he left [00:07:01] Danielle: the room. So he knew, and in his own. Brash in abrupt way, essentially prepared you for the outcome and challenges that would come assuming the surgery was a success? [00:07:17] John: Yeah. He is a world renowned acoustic neuroma surgeon. He's one of the guys you go to, when you have this kind of tumor and that's all he does. Wow. But he literally left the room and I'm sitting there and I didn't bring anybody in and [00:07:31] yeah. [00:07:32] John: A tip to anyone who's potentially going in for a serious diagnosis. [00:07:36] Yeah. [00:07:37] John: Bring a friend or a family member. [00:07:39] Because it goes in one ear and out the other, you're in shock. Right. Right. When you get home and you say, wait a minute, he said that surgery gonna be four hours or 14 hours or 20. How, how long ago and you have all these questions. Yeah. And you know, getting ahold of the doctor to ask them again is just not the way our medical system works. [00:08:01] He's back to back, to back to back patients. [00:08:04] So, I checked in the night before, they did blood tests and I tried to get an hour or two sleep, 6:00 AM my clockwork the orderly came in and said, okay, get naked, get on this cold gurney. What a sheet over you and we're going take you to the operating room. [00:08:21] Danielle: I wanna pause your story for a moment. 'cause there's a couple things that I, I wanna tease out a little. So one is you, the way that you tell your story, so well probably because you've told it on stages, you've shared it with others, you've written about it. There is something about a trauma. [00:08:37] That really marks the sort of BCAD of life. And the way you shared, I felt like I was in the room with you when you were getting this bomb of news dropped on you so you were theater trained, theater kid, a creative person, a creative problem solver, and a business owner. [00:08:57] Like I, I think about that often when people are experiencing trauma. What, what was life sort of the, the illusion of normalcy. The, the, you know, the predictability of this is my life and this is my to-do list and this is my calendar. So before that moment, you were just a guy on the west coast running a business. [00:09:17] Is that right? [00:09:18] John: Very successful business. [00:09:19] Danielle: And I, I just wanna share briefly too, I haven't met too many other only children. Theater background 'cause that's me too. [00:09:30] John: Oh, really? [00:09:31] Danielle: I'm an only child and I was a theater major and started acting when I was 13, so before. But, the creative problem solver, God, my theater background has paid dividends in ways I didn't know at the time. [00:09:42] I didn't know that when I was preparing for this interview, but now that you've said that, it's like that thing that I couldn't put my finger on has clicked into place. [00:09:49] John: I love doing improv. [00:09:51] Improv is the, you know, everybody talks about being in the moment. [00:09:57] Yeah. [00:09:57] John: What does that really mean, being in the moment? [00:10:00] When you do improv, you have to be in the moment. Otherwise you fall flat. And everybody, you're doing improv looks at you going. Well, it's your turn. [00:10:10] Danielle: You've tapped in. Now you've gotta say something. How are you gonna move the story forward? [00:10:14] Exactly. I feel most alive when I'm engaged in moments like that. And I, it's, I'm not a, a adrenaline junkie, but I would say that's my high, it's the, rush of connecting with somebody like that. So you were running a very successful business. This bomb has dropped. [00:10:32] You can barely remember what you were told and what your life is likely going to be. Assuming everything goes well, what is going to happen when you wake up off your op? And how long was your operation? [00:10:46] John: 15 hours. [00:10:48] Danielle: And the surgery was a success. They were able to remove the golf ice tumor. [00:10:52] Yeah. So they removed the fall sized tumor. [00:10:54] John: I didn't have time to think, you know, I got one of my guys who worked for me told him that he was gonna be running the company for a month or two. He agreed. [00:11:05] Mm-hmm. [00:11:05] John: Had to shovel up some more money to get him to do it, but, you know, it is what it is. You do what you have to do. [00:11:11] Yeah. And then,, I just tried to think positively, hope for the best. Plan for the worst. You know, I had someone gonna stay with me the first week, make food because I just wanted to recover and I didn't know what it was gonna be like. [00:11:27] Danielle: Yeah. You're like, I just need a week to recover, and then I'm just gonna hop back into life, hopefully. [00:11:31] John: Rolling the gurney into the surgical, prep area. [00:11:35] The nurse saying, Hey John, you know, we know we have to shape after your head. You want me to do it now or after you're under. [00:11:42] Danielle: So you didn't even know that they were gonna shave your head. Well, I didn't think about it. [00:11:48] John: I mean, if I had thought about it, I got a shaved part of my head. [00:11:51] Danielle: Right. [00:11:52] John: I said to her, please. [00:11:56] Danielle: Yeah. [00:11:58] John: And so, they roll me into the operating room. You got these really bright lights, , blinding you, and you're laying there and they're like, okay, you're gonna count back toward five. [00:12:09] The next thing I know, I hear faint voices and it was like I was 30 meters deep in a pool. Struggling to get to the surface. And I remember this like it was yesterday, literally trying to swim to the service to regain consciousness. [00:12:26] And finally when I got enough, I realized that my dad was sitting on the edge of my bed holding my hand, [00:12:34] and [00:12:34] John: he was smiling at me, but I didn't see my mom. [00:12:40] So I asked my dad for my glasses and he handed me the glasses. And I remember trying to put the, and then I realized my head's bandage. [00:12:48] Danielle: Oh, right. [00:12:50] John: So I had to figure out how to get the glasses in Cockeye to get 'em on my face, right? [00:12:55] And the look on her face was one of horror. What did these butchers do to my son's face? And at that point, I didn't know my face was paralyzed. Because I have full feeling, I just can't move it. [00:13:10] Danielle: So you currently, you still have full feeling in your face. You just lost mobility, [00:13:14] John: so I didn't really understand what that look was. [00:13:18] Danielle: Right. How could you? [00:13:19] John: And then my mom handed me her compact makeup. [00:13:22] And I opened it up and I'm like, holy crap. And then, I'm still getting [00:13:30] accustomed to, the one thing I noticed is leading into surgery, I was constantly dizzy and that dizziness was gone. [00:13:38] Danielle: Wow. [00:13:39] John: And that was like, oh my God, what a relief. [00:13:42] Mm-hmm. [00:13:43] John: So the doctor finally made his way in and I was like, so when's my face gonna move? And he said, John, we were, successful. [00:13:50] The tumors removed. Right when we were close the incision, your face stopped moving. But we think it's just to do the swelling, and once the swelling goes down, your face should start moving again. So I'm like, okay. I can handle that. That's a, it's not a permanent thing. I can deal with it. [00:14:05] So I'm in the hospital a week and, they're like, when you can do three laps around the hospital floor, without a walker, we'll send you home. [00:14:16] So that became my goal. I remember getting outta bed and then they said, no, no, no. Wait for the, I said, no. The doctor said that I need to rock three laps around. [00:14:26] I want to get the hell out of here [00:14:28] Five days I got home. My dad drove me home and I sat on my couch and now I'm like, okay, I can start healing and check email here and there. And I was taking lots of naps. And then I coughed and I touched the back of my neck and it was wet. [00:14:45] Mm. [00:14:47] John: Oh, it was a spinal fluid leak on the base of the incision. [00:14:51] Whew. [00:14:53] John: So immediately I called the doctor's office and the said, oh, get your ass back here. And I went back to the hospital three times with them to redo the bandaging to try to prevent the leak. [00:15:05] Danielle: Wait, you call the hospital. Hey, their spinal fluid leaking out of my surgical incision. And they're like, yeah, you should get in a car and drive yourself to the hospital. [00:15:16] John: They didn't say how I should get to the hospital. [00:15:19] Danielle: Okay. Fair, fair. But that, [00:15:22] okay. Wow. ' [00:15:24] John: cause that's not good. [00:15:25] And there was potential for getting, spinal meningitis in that. From what I understand is one of the most extreme pains out there. [00:15:35] Okay. [00:15:35] John: I went back and forth three different times over that week. [00:15:39] They tried to, it was just as right behind my ear, right at the base of the incision. So, there was no way that they were going to be able to, put a pressure manage to keep that and so it could start healing. [00:15:51] Danielle: Mm-hmm. [00:15:52] John: So they finally said, all right, tomorrow you're gonna come in and we're gonna, redo the incision and pull more belly fat outta your belly to fill the hole. [00:16:01] And Yeah. This time they used staples, man, thick Frankenstein. [00:16:07] All the way up. [00:16:08] But then I'm like, I was only in the hospital for a day. And then, and I'm like, okay, I can relax. I remember getting up and brushing my teeth, you know, and I'm looking at the mirror and God, , I don't recognize that guy. [00:16:24] Yeah. And I got rid of all the mirrors in my house. [00:16:30] I didn't want a constant reminder. [00:16:33] My face was screwed up. [00:16:34] Danielle: I, there's so much specificity to what is uniquely your story. [00:16:46] Mm-hmm. [00:16:47] Danielle: But what I have found is when people. Are able to share elements of their experience. It's when you go into the specificity of what you experienced. I can see myself in so many elements of your story in my own, like when we get in deeper, it becomes somehow more accessible and universal. [00:17:16] And in that way, you're not alone, even though it happened to you and that detail about your removing the mirrors from your home. It, it brings me to something I really wanted to ask you about. You share by saying, and then also , by, actually demonstrating in your TED talk that, once you began the healing process of really addressing your depression after your operation, that, the story, it led you to magic, literally. And I also think in a more magical way, beyond performing an illusion. And I know not to call it a trick, I learned that from arrested development. [00:18:03] But, there's something you said that I wanted to quote that it's amazing how accepting kids are of the truth. You open up your TED talk, which I will link in the show notes so people can see. But that you mentioned that this in a way that your permission and your humor and your honesty, it created levity and lightness. [00:18:27] For something that would be considered maybe so precious and heavy. And what I wanna speak to, and open up a question if that's okay, is, I'm curious what your relationship with the truth is because I think humor in its highest expression is allowing us to laugh at something that we see the truth in. [00:18:49] And yet it's this razor's edge between laughing at someone or laughing at something versus inviting us to laugh at the, the human experience that we maybe don't know how to name or express in another way. But I wanna know personally for you, what your relationship is with the truth and the value of embracing it. [00:19:13] And then in your line of work as a coach, where do you see people struggle with it? [00:19:19] John: Truth is an illusion. [00:19:21] Danielle: Ooh, tell me more. That just, that was a zingy response that you popped right out. Please tell me more. [00:19:28] John: Yeah. Truth. Everybody has their own truth. [00:19:31] Danielle: Oh, well there you go. [00:19:32] John: Their own perspective, [00:19:34] Danielle: uhhuh, [00:19:35] John: And the truth is formed out of your limiting beliefs. [00:19:41] Danielle: So the truth is formed out of your limited beliefs, [00:19:44] John: your limiting beliefs. [00:19:45] Danielle: Limiting beliefs. Okay. [00:19:47] John: Yeah. [00:19:48] I just wanted to take a slight step back. [00:19:50] Danielle: Mm-hmm. [00:19:51] John: I told you this was gonna be the Reader's Digest version. [00:19:54] Danielle: Yes. [00:19:54] John: But it took me 12 years [00:19:57] To come out of that hiding. Wow. 12 years. [00:20:02] Danielle: How old were you when you had your operation? [00:20:05] John: 33. [00:20:06] Danielle: 33. Okay. [00:20:08] John: And fortunately for me, I could work from home. But I miss so many celebrations with friends and family. 'cause I just didn't want to have to explain it. I didn't want to have to deal with the looks, , and I tell this story on my TED Talk and in my book. You know, at a restaurant I wanted to get a burger at Tony Aroma's. And I'm sitting there by myself and in a booth, and there's a booth right in front of me and there's a family with a kid, two parents and a kid. And the kid's squirming and gets up and turns around and is now on his knees on the bench and looking at me. [00:20:44] And he gets up and he comes over and he says, Mr, what's wrong with your face? And in that moment, I didn't want to have a five or 6-year-old come over and Right. And I'm like, okay, I had the strength to come out and go to a restaurant. I have to deal with this. So I started talking to this little boy [00:21:06] Danielle: Mm. [00:21:07] John: And saying, I had a medical procedure that caused me not to with my face before I could continue his mom grabbing him [00:21:16] mm-hmm. [00:21:17] John: The arm and drug him back and said, don't bother him. The nice man, he has enough troubles already. And I couldn't leave it there. [00:21:25] Mm-hmm. [00:21:27] John: So I had to go to the little boy and I knelt down and I got eye level and I said, I love my new face because it's different. [00:21:34] It's different just like yours. And I remember it like it was yesterday, he took his fingers and he tried to distort his face to be crooked like mine. And he turned to his mom and said, look, mom, I could do that too. And then he went back to eating his meal. His question was answered. [00:21:56] He had no judgment. And his parents were like, holy crap, did we just learn a lesson? How to raise our child? [00:22:03] They whispered, thank you on their way out. [00:22:07] Danielle: But there is something I, there, there's something to that woman's response to you that really resonated with me. [00:22:14] And it also, highlights the point you made so well about the, essentially the truth being relative. Because she projected onto you what her perception of your life was. Don't bother the nice man one, she didn't know you were nice, though. You are. But she didn't know that. Right. And she also didn't know what your troubles were or weren't, and she assumed that. [00:22:39] John: But I always wonder what her motives were. [00:22:41] Danielle: Right. [00:22:42] John: was it to make me comfortable or was it to make her and her son comfortable [00:22:48] Danielle: it for her? I think so. [00:22:50] John: And that's how I took it. [00:22:51] Danielle: I remember. So I have two children and I was pregnant once before and lost that pregnancy. [00:22:57] 12 weeks in. And I haven't thought about this in a very long time, but I remember going into, a annual doctor's appointment and she saw on the chart that I was listed as pregnant and clearly now was not. And it was in her own discomfort of not, she was asking me about the baby thinking, 'cause she was not my ob, GYN it was a different type of doctor. [00:23:20] And, she caught. Oh, and then I had sort of explained to her what that meant, and then she said, well, I'm sure, you blame yourself and I want you to know it's not your fault. Like she took her discomfort and tried to turn it into, she positioned herself above as someone who knew what he was experiencing and wanted to offer me this sympathy that was, one, she was wrong. [00:23:45] I totally misplaced. Yeah. I didn't blame myself. And it, that, that moment was such an extension of her own inability to hold the moment and the discomfort of the moment, and, tried to offer it up as a gift for me, which that's, yeah. [00:24:03] John: It's your perception of how you deal with that. [00:24:06] Danielle: Mm-hmm. [00:24:07] John: Losing a child can be. Empowering because you know that you can try again and get a child that is not gonna have any kind of defects and is gonna have a good life. And you know whether or not you believe in God or not. [00:24:24] Danielle: Yeah. [00:24:25] John: Things happen for a reason and we don't always understand the reason for them. [00:24:30] Danielle: I don't know if it, what the reason was, but I can say a gift from that was that somebody who lived with a very active monkey mind and a lot of head trash and some anxiety in the experience of the early grief, not for very long, but there was a moment in time where my mind was quiet, not numb, but quiet. [00:24:55] And it helped me realize, oh, there's the observer within me. Then there are the different conversations that are happening in my head that aren't me, which are maybe the perceptions that I call truth sometimes I wanna bring that same question of truth, which you had an answer I was not expecting, which I love when I never see it coming, so thank you. [00:25:18] Where do you see your clients? Because you're a coach, right? You are taking your healing and offering it as medicine to people that are trying to make a connection in their own life. So where do you see people that you work with? Struggle with the truth? [00:25:36] John: Everybody's hiding from someone something in their life. [00:25:40] They have buried something so deep and it keeps them from moving forward in their lives. 'cause it erodes their self-confidence. [00:25:50] That's what I learned through my love for performing magic. [00:25:58] Going to the magic castle, sitting at a table with a paralyzed face. [00:26:03] Yeah. I'm this overweight guy with balding, balding with a paralyzed face. And I could sit at a table and have people come to me. I tell this story sometimes, that the Magic Castle is a place where you have to get dressed up to the nines, you know? And women love to get dressed up [00:26:22] Danielle: That's true. [00:26:23] John: They're wearing their best outfits, right? And all of a sudden I'd have five or six women sitting at the table, and their reactions are very guarded. [00:26:34] Hmm. [00:26:36] John: You know, they're sitting there with their legs and arms crossed. [00:26:39] Hmm [00:26:40] John: they're leaning back. They have a smile that's just more of a grin. [00:26:45] Mm-hmm. ' [00:26:47] John: cause I don't know what I'm about. Sure. They don't know if I'm gonna be inappropriate, if I'm gonna come onto them, if I'm what it is. So they have no expectations other than they're gonna see some magic. [00:26:58] Mm-hmm. [00:26:59] John: So I start my act saying, hi guys. My name is John and I'm doing magic all my life. [00:27:05] But in 2 0 2 I had a brain tumor. And when they cut over my head, they traumatized medication, nerve offense, a paralyzed face. But something happened to me on that talk table that day, Danielle. [00:27:16] Mm-hmm. [00:27:17] John: I'm not sure what it was because I was unconscious. All I know is I recovered. I realized I had acquired some new skills and I pause. [00:27:29] Yeah. And I wait for everybody to get on the edge of their seat. Like, what happened, John, what? Skills. Skills I could acquire. I'm having brain surgery. [00:27:40] Mm-hmm. I [00:27:41] John: looked to my right and I looked to my left like it's the biggest secret. [00:27:45] Lean in and I whisper in a loud voice as I am able to visualize people's thoughts. And then I do some mental magic mentalism. Love it. And what I just did was I turned my biggest challenge into a superpower. [00:28:07] Danielle: Yes, you did. And I wanna pause you because when you said that in your talk, have, have you read Elizabeth Gilbert's book, big Magic? [00:28:15] Yes. [00:28:15] Danielle: When she talks about trickster energy, I was like, John Kippen is a freaking trickster. [00:28:22] That is trickster energy that you can shift. Before someone's very eyes. It's like you are performing magic and you are performing magic. You shifted before them and you invited them, your audience to see beyond their own limiting beliefs, their own projected truth. [00:28:47] John: They were distracted. They wanted to know why it was paralyzed, but they couldn't ask, did he have a stroke? Did he have be palsy? What was the reason? So I found them being distracted when I was performing. So I got that outta way in the first two minutes. [00:29:00] Mm-hmm. [00:29:01] John: I explained why my face is paralyzed. [00:29:03] And now I treat it as the experience is now I'm able to do superhuman things. [00:29:10] And now they're like, okay, cool. So as I perform [00:29:16] I focus on the spectator. Magic happens in your mind as a spectator. [00:29:22] Danielle: Oh, I love that magic happens in your mind [00:29:26] ​ [00:29:31] If you've ever wanted to start a journaling practice but didn't know where to start, or if you've been journaling off and on your whole life, but you're like, I wanna take this work deeper, I've got you covered. I've written a journal called Treasured, a Journal for unearthing you. It's broken down into seven key areas of your life, filled with stories, sentence stems, prompts, questions, and exercises. [00:29:51] All rooted in the work that I do with actual clients in my therapy sessions. I have given these examples to clients in sessions as homework, and they come back with insights that allow us to do such incredible work. This is something you can do in the privacy of your own home, whether you're in therapy or not. [00:30:10] It has context, it has guides. And hopefully some safety bumpers to help digging a little deeper feel possible, accessible and safe. You don't have to do this alone. And there's also a guided treasured meditation series that accompanies each section in the journal to help ease you into the processing state. [00:30:29] So my hope is to help guide you into feeling more secure with the most important relationship in your life, the one between you and you. Hop on over to the show notes and grab your copy today. And now back to the episode.​ [00:30:44] John: Magic is what you see in your mind or someone else sees in their mind. [00:30:49] Magic is that thing that immediately makes you present. [00:30:56] Danielle: Yeah. [00:30:57] John: And your, all of your sensors are now in a heightened state , whether it's a sunset or a beautiful beach or a beautiful woman or a magic trick or whatever it is, there's that sense of awe and wonder. [00:31:15] So as I would start to take each spectator, I would learn their names. [00:31:19] And I would use their names throughout the show. [00:31:22] Danielle: People love that. [00:31:23] John: People, I ask them, the one word in everybody's language that they love to hear the most is their own name . and so I use that as a way of engaging the audience. [00:31:33] They start leaning in and now they've got real smiles on their face [00:31:37] and I can literally see this wall that women in today's society are forced to put up as a self-protection mechanism. [00:31:45] Yeah. [00:31:46] John: I see this wall start to grow as they start to identify with me and they're like, I'm okay being myself. [00:31:54] And then the end of this [00:31:56] they're asking permission to hug me. [00:31:58] And , having a creative mind, I wanted to understand. What that is. What that, what was going on. [00:32:06] Danielle: You also, not only through performing magic, inviting the curiosity you could see in other people's faces into your opening act essentially, or your sleight of hand. [00:32:17] I'm gonna show you this over here so that you can not see what's coming here. Vulnerability in its purest form is magic because it's the one thing sharing the story you feel like you couldn't share. Letting somebody see the one part of you that you would never let anybody see 'cause you were so utterly convinced you would be outed or you would be cast out by exposing that vulnerability is the birthplace of true connection. [00:32:47] Yeah. Which is the ultimate magic trick. It's, it's like what they say in nightmares, if you stop and face the thing that's chasing you, it, it can't chase you anymore in the dream. And so you spent a decade, did I remember that correctly, you wanted to be a main stage performer at the Magic Castle? [00:33:06] It took you about 10 years and you did it. [00:33:08] John: I did. [00:33:09] Yeah. [00:33:09] Danielle: 10 years. [00:33:11] John: Yeah. [00:33:12] Danielle: 10 years. [00:33:13] John: It was my creative coping mechanism. I had hit rock bottom, was I suicidal? No, not really. But I was unhappy. [00:33:25] Danielle: Yeah. [00:33:26] John: I was, my girlfriend left me, and, fortunately I had a job that I could focus on. But I needed something more. And through sharing something so personal and tying magic into it and making it a positive instead of a negative [00:33:45] people are attracted to it. [00:33:49] Danielle: Yeah. Well, because you're holding fire in your hand. Yeah. You're not just saying it's possible, but you're living. You're turning it into a performance, which I think for an artist is one of the most selfless, beautiful acts. [00:34:11] John: It's what separates great artists from mediocre artists. What is he giving me to care about? [00:34:18] Danielle: I never thought about that with magic. What are they giving me to care about? [00:34:22] John: Yeah. What do I want them to think when they leave the theater? [00:34:27] Ability to put your own life in perspective. If John can, so can I. [00:34:33] That's my true message. [00:34:36] Any different is your superpower. [00:34:38] Now, my facial paralysis does not have to define me if I don't let it. [00:34:44] You know, Danielle I live my life that it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. [00:34:51] And that's bit me in the butt numerous times. [00:34:54] Danielle: I can also say the opposite, can bite you in the butt. I think I waited probably too long, many times for permission that wasn't really coming because no one can ultimately grant it. Right? Like, if there's a path you wanna carve, like the job that you built, all of the different things that you've done, there's no resume posted on LinkedIn. [00:35:15] No one's hot. Like that's an empowerment coach slash magician slash keynote speaker, slash documentarian like that. You have to get curious and still, and listen to that little voice inside and follow that curiosity to a path that may not make sense for anyone for a really long time. And I didn't do that. [00:35:40] And that can bite you in the butt too. 'cause regret's hard to hold. [00:35:42] John: Alex SBE came out on national television [00:35:45] to his fans, to the world and said, I'm scared. I am fighting the battle of my life and I'm gonna ask for everyone's good thoughts and prayers . of what I'm going through. I reached out to Nikki Trebek, Alex's daughter and I said, Nikki, I need to perform for your dad . we're having a 75th birthday party and we don't have any entertainment. [00:36:13] So if you wanna be the entertainment, and I was like. Damn. Yes. [00:36:18] Danielle: Well, yeah. I will go to his house and perform magic for him. a [00:36:22] John: restaurant, but [00:36:23] Danielle: Oh, a restaurant. Okay. [00:36:23] John: Wrote a unique magic show [00:36:25] With Jeopardy themes and the whole nine yards and he was actually at the table as one of my assistants. [00:36:33] Oh. Along with his daughter. so he was this, he needed to understand how things worked. [00:36:39] Was a genius. And so he was constantly looking at me like, wait a minute. That's not possible. Just embrace it, Alex. You're not gonna figure it out. Just enjoy it. [00:36:52] Danielle: That's awesome. [00:36:54] John: And there's, on my website, john kipp.com. There are some magic videos and there are two videos of me performing for Alex , sat with him, and I said, Alex, I need to share something with you that, when you came out so publicly about your diagnosis [00:37:10] I asked for everybody's support and love and prayers that resonated with me. I am here to give to you. You've been a part of my life and the lives of millions of people. [00:37:27] And your life's work is meaningful. [00:37:30] I just wanted to tell you that, 'cause I had a feeling that no one ever takes the time to say thank you for your life's work. [00:37:37] And he immediately started welling up. [00:37:39] Danielle: Well, anybody who makes something look easy that we do take for granted. [00:37:45] And I think that, like I appreciate so much in the telling of your story, you share not just the struggles, but the time you had a vision of yourself. On the main stage performing at the Magic Castle, like the most elusive place where magic is. And you didn't just wanna get in, you didn't just wanna get an audition, you didn't wanna just like get to per perform an illusion, like main stage. [00:38:23] You didn't just have a goal. You had the goal and you did it, but you also say that it took you 10 years. And there's usually themes that run with anxiety, about not enoughness and the crunchiness of time. There's never enough time. I'm not enough and there's not enough time. And not being worthy. [00:38:42] Yes, yes, yes. One of my main motivations when I started this podcast originally several years ago, was I was. Starting to increasingly feel, trapped in this sort of, world of before and after story. And it was no longer feeling inspirational. It was just another measuring stick for how not enough. [00:39:03] Yeah. 'Cause it, it's great to see where somebody was and where they are, but when I'm knee deep in my own struggle when I'm the caterpillar goo and the chrysalis, and I'm not the shiny butterfly, but I'm also not the caterpillar anymore. What do I do when my life is literally a shitty pile of goo this is something that most clients don't come right out and ask me like in sessions one, two, and three. But it inevitably comes well, I've been doing this for, so many months. How much longer is it gonna take? How long is it gonna take? And I just always, I appreciate when people can acknowledge. [00:39:41] The time and consistency that goes into healing [00:39:47] John: joy is in the journey. [00:39:48] Danielle: Mm. [00:39:49] John: Not in the destination. [00:39:51] And that's the thing I really focus with my clients. [00:39:55] I have clients come to me because they're holding themselves back in their life. [00:39:59] And it's my job to get that out of them by asking open-ended questions, by building a rapport, I can trust this guy. [00:40:08] Danielle: Yeah. Would you say that's your superpower as a coach? [00:40:11] John: Through my journey of reverse engineering who I am and who I wanted to become. Coming out the other side immediately understood that it's not about me. [00:40:24] Danielle: Yes. It's only true every single time. [00:40:27] John: The joy comes from helping others get that realization, [00:40:32] That they understand they are truly powerful and have a chance to shape their destiny. [00:40:40] That's why I talk about limiting beliefs. [00:40:43] And we grow up with our parents or whoever raised us, those are our belief systems. [00:40:49] And so that's what forms who you are. You stop dreaming. [00:40:54] That's what midlife crisis is all about. [00:40:58] Danielle: Yeah. [00:40:59] John: We got educated, we got a job, we built a career. We have a family. [00:41:06] Danielle: It's, I think the version of that I hear in my sessions is essentially I did everything right. Shouldn't I be feeling better than I am? Yeah. Like, I followed all the rules. I'm winning. Why does it not feel like I'm winning? Yeah. And finding our way back to that. [00:41:29] The unlearning and the unraveling. That is a, it's a process. [00:41:34] John: I'll talk to a friend. How you doing? And so many people respond automatically living the dream. But is it your dream? You're living? [00:41:46] Whose dream are you living? Because you're wasting your life by living someone else's dream. And that's why you get to that point in life where it's not enough. [00:41:58] Cause it's not your dream. You just finished the last 30 years building. [00:42:03] Danielle: Yeah. And the joy really is in the process and there's no way to enjoy the process of fulfilling the wishes of somebody else because you, what you're constantly chasing is when I get there, then the relief will come and then you're there and you're like, well, where's my pot of gold? [00:42:22] John: Yeah. I had, I spent 20 years learning how not to hide my face. [00:42:28] And what happened in March in 2020? The pandemic hit [00:42:33] now covering your face with a mask, became not only politically correct. [00:42:41] But government mandated and I'm like sitting there thinking to myself, what do I do? So I found a company who prints things on masks and I sent them a picture of my face and a picture of the lower part of my job. [00:43:01] Danielle: Trickster energy, John Kippen trickster. That's the new hyphen to your list of all of your accomplishments. [00:43:08] John: I would walk around and strangers would look at it and not understand. [00:43:12] Danielle: Right, right. But people who knew me [00:43:15] John: would do a double take. [00:43:17] Danielle: I will not hide. [00:43:19] John: Refuses to hide. [00:43:20] Even through a global pandemic. [00:43:23] Yeah. [00:43:23] John: I'm gonna live my life [00:43:25] Danielle: mm-hmm. On [00:43:26] John: my own terms. [00:43:28] Danielle: Yeah. I work too hard, too long to get free and I will not hide for you. Wow. Wow. And [00:43:37] John: when I share that story, people like, wow, John's done some soul searching. [00:43:44] Danielle: Which is why your clients come to you. [00:43:46] John: Yeah. [00:43:46] Danielle: Yeah. I unfortunately have come across many. People in the helping profession that haven't started with their first client, which is themselves. I put myself in that camp. I've talked about it on the podcast before, but I didn't start seeing a therapist until I became one, which is probably not the right order, but I didn't realize until I was sitting there trying to help people. [00:44:09] And then my own stuff was getting activated in the session. It's called Counter Transference. And, yeah, I was like, oh shit, I gotta look at the mirror. I gotta do a little more digging. But I think a, what leads a lot of people into helping professions is its desire to heal. And it sounds like in your case you did the herculean task of lifting your own self up before you said, now what can I offer you? [00:44:39] I wanna ask, just a purely curious, selfish question before we get to the very end I wanna ask. In your book playing the Hand you're Dealt how did you connect with Jamie Lee Curtis? The same way you did Alex Trebek? Did you just find someone and you DMed them and [00:44:55] John: you're like, her assistant worked for a production company [00:45:00] in a previous job. [00:45:02] Danielle: Gotcha. [00:45:02] John: That I knew. [00:45:03] When Jamie was like, I need it. So help with my computer. Her assistant said, I've got the guy for you. And I remember being at Jamie's house. [00:45:15] She knew me before my facial surgery, and after. [00:45:18] Danielle: So you have a history then? [00:45:19] John: Oh yeah. We met in 2000. [00:45:21] Danielle: Oh, okay. [00:45:22] John: So she saw me before. [00:45:24] She saw the struggle. Sure, she has two. Great kids. [00:45:29] And she adopted me as her third child. Wow. She saw the ability to help me. And so I had a filmmaker friend of mine reach out and said, John, I'd love your story. [00:45:45] I want to film a documentary on you. And I'm like, cool. So I realized I'm paying for the damn documentary. [00:45:51] Danielle: Oh. So I wanna offer you this gift, and by the way, here's the bill. [00:45:55] John: Yes, exactly. But at that point, I'm all in and I'm like, what do I have to lose? I'm a risk taker. I can afford it. [00:46:01] I've got money in the bank. [00:46:03] Let's make sure we stay on budget or close to budget, so there I am working on Jamie's computer and I'm staring at the screen and I'm summoning the courage. Ask Jamie. So I'm telling her the story. My friend Ryan's gonna direct this documentary about my life and my journey, and then I pause and I'm just staring at the screen. [00:46:23] I feel these eyes burning into the side of my head. [00:46:26] Mm-hmm. [00:46:28] John: And Jamie says, and [00:46:32] Danielle: I love that she didn't do it for you, but she made you do it. [00:46:36] John: And then at that point, I realized what the question was. I said, Jamie, will you be in my documentary? [00:46:44] And she goes, fuck yes, I will. [00:46:48] Danielle: Yeah. [00:46:49] John: She gets it. [00:46:50] Yeah. [00:46:51] John: Going through her sobriety, she wears her sobriety on her. Shoulder as a badge of honor. [00:47:00] And that is her message. [00:47:02] Yeah. [00:47:03] John: If she can get people to stop drinking by showing up for people. That's her ultimate goal in life. And so, she saw in me what I didn't see, [00:47:18] Danielle: and you asked the question. I think it's a lesson that I feel like I'm eternally playing a game of peekaboo with where I forget, and then I remember and then I forget and then I remember. But like the opportunities that you're asking for, you have to ask. [00:47:39] Yes. You have to say the thing. Right. Which is so brave and so vulnerable. But then the magic is sometimes when you ask, someone will say Yes. Now, in your case, she was essentially lovingly poking you until you, [00:47:55] John: asked. There was a point where I was debating plastic surgery. [00:48:00] Did I want to try to fix my face? Because at the end of the day, I wanted symmetry at rest. I wanted to be able to get rid of the droopiness and just, have a symmetrical base. That's all I really wanted. Sure. And because I would say, I hit my smile. And I've had friends come up and say, John, your first smile, we love your smile. [00:48:23] But I didn't love my smile. And until I, not up here, not in my head, but in my heart, accepted my smile. I couldn't move forward. I couldn't heal. And once I accepted my new smile, I found joy. I found that I could love myself. [00:48:46] And what's funny is when you get to that point, [00:48:49] yeah. [00:48:50] John: You overcome whatever that thing is that's holding you back. [00:48:53] Yeah. [00:48:54] John: And you want to share it with every person you come in contact with. [00:49:00] Danielle: Yeah. You are the love you're seeking. [00:49:02] John: Yes. Yes. And you are your acceptance. [00:49:05] Danielle: It reminds me of, something. He said in an interview, in, A New Earth, but author Eckert Tolle said that right before his essential death of the, he called it the death of his ego, but we could call it enlightenment or rebirth. [00:49:19] But he remembers the last thing he said before he went to sleep was, I can't live with myself anymore. And it wasn't about in the interpretation , of , taking one's own life . but what he realized is that he couldn't live with the self that was hating him. He couldn't live with that self. [00:49:40] And that self never woke up. But he did. [00:49:45] John: Through my journey [00:49:46] Of coming to accept myself for who I am. I immediately see others. [00:49:53] Yeah. [00:49:53] John: How they're hiding. [00:49:54] Before they recognize it. And so my coaching is all about not saying, this is why you're hiding. [00:50:03] That's what's holding you back. [00:50:06] Danielle: What you said about once you, you see somebody's wall so clearly because you understand your own so well. My less eloquent way of saying that to clients, it's once you smell bullshit, you can't unm it. It's the scent in the air and you're like, huh, what am I smelling? [00:50:23] Oh, it's bullshit. Well, John, I would love to know your, don't cut your own bang moment. [00:50:30] John: I'm backstage. There are a thousand people in the audience and I had theatrical training I had a talk memorized. It had to be 12 minutes long. [00:50:39] I'm doing a magic trick with other people that are coming up stage. I needed to control that. I got there early the morning of the TED Talk and helped the guys focus the lights so that it looked better. I'm all in. I want to shine in this TED Talk. , I remember I'm going up on stage and I'm saying, to the cherry picker operator, can I give you a hand? Because I have lighting experience. And I expected the presenter come and say, no, John, you're the actor. Go in your, the green room and there's some donuts and coffee , and we'll call you already, but you didn't. She knew that I was there to make the entire event better. And she let me do it, [00:51:18] That's awesome. [00:51:19] John: This is my first real speech. Okay, in front of a thousand people. And I knew that I had a limited time to get the audience on my side. [00:51:30] Get the audience engaged. How was I gonna be able to break their, going through their phone, talking to a neighbor, drinking, eating, snacking in a full day of speech? [00:51:41] Yeah. [00:51:43] John: So I said, I wanna go first. And everybody has said, great, but we don't, you can go first. And right before the mc went on stage to introduce me. I did a magic trick war. I turned Monopoly money into real money and then back again. [00:52:00] So as a magician, everything was possible. I turned monopoly into real money, but then I realized that's actually called counterfeiting he stays out for like seven seconds. I did that to the mc and now he just saw a miracle happen. [00:52:16] So he turns around and walks on stage beaming, and he told that story to the audience and said, Hey guys, your next speaker just did a miracle. He turned monopoly money into real money in front of my eyes. Pay attention to this cat. [00:52:37] Yeah. [00:52:38] John: So I walked on that stage. I had the love of everybody in the audience that everybody wanted to see what I was gonna do. [00:52:46] Everybody wanted to hear what I was gonna say, so I didn't have to warm up the audience. I got the mc to do it for me. Genius. And I do that every time I speak because it works but anyway, three quarters of the speech, I'm standing on my red circle and I'm delivering my talk. [00:53:08] And the front lights go out. [00:53:10] Danielle: Wait, you were three fours of the way done when they went out. [00:53:13] John: I'm standing in shadows. And my first reaction was, whoa. That Whoa. Got the lighting guy to realize, holy shit, I hit the wrong button, and he brought the lights slowly back up. [00:53:27] As the lights went back up, I went magic [00:53:32] and so I got an amazing laugh from the audience. [00:53:36] Because I cut the tension, I was doing improv. [00:53:38] I remember walking off stage and the producer of the event said, John, don't worry about, we'll edit that part out. And I said, don't you dare. That was my finest moment. Don't you dare edit that out. [00:53:54] I want that in the video. [00:53:57] She just smiled as I went back to the dressing room and sat down and then the adrenaline was like, whew. Walking out into the audience after the event and having strangers just come up to me and wanna hug me and say, holy cow, I resonate with your message. [00:54:18] And my message on the TED Talk was, treat people are different with respect to compassion. [00:54:23] That's what TED talks are all about. You want one key message and that was my message. [00:54:27] You never know, you might be in their shoes in an instant. [00:54:34] Danielle: I wanna add to that, another way to speak to the value of doing some self investigation, whether that's through journaling, through therapy, or seeking out a coach from someone like yourself is, because that expression of, treat other people the way you would wanna be treated. [00:54:53] What I know is that we don't treat ourselves all that well. A lot of us, many of us don't treat ourselves well, which is why accessing the compassion. Of treating others kindly is sometimes harder for us to find, jumping to criticism or judgment, because there's something we are rejecting in us. [00:55:13] So I think a way to do the thing you're saying , that beautiful treat others with kindness and compassion. The best way to do that is to look within. And I invite anybody listening to go to the show notes, visit John's website, seek out a coaching call, grab a copy of his book. There are resources that can help you be kinder to yourself, to lowering the walls, to lifting the veil, to seeing yourself in a new way, to performing the ultimate illusion, which is [00:55:52] to love yourself more fully exactly as you are so that we can be kinder to each other. 'cause we need that, we need a lot more kindness. [00:56:00] Thank you, John. Do we have the information we need for our listeners to get the special code? [00:56:06] John: John kipping.com. [00:56:08] Slash free gift. [00:56:11] Danielle: Ooh, you heard it here. John kipping.com/free gift. And this is only the gift for those of you who have listened this far. [00:56:20] So if you listen to the beginning and you just try to skip to the show notes, sorry. You ain't getting a gift. Thank you, John. [00:56:28] Thank you so much for joining me on this incredible episode of Don't Cut Your Own Bangs. I hope that you love listening because I thoroughly enjoyed making it. My favorite episodes are the ones where I get to learn something too. I'm also a listener. And benefiting from the wisdom and insights of all of the experts, creatives, performers, adventurers seekers that I get an opportunity to meet in this podcast format. [00:56:56] Don't forget to check out the show notes and please before you sign off , always remember rate, review, subscribe to the podcast when you interact with the podcast. It just helps send it out like a rocket ship to other people that are looking for the same value that you are. And it also helps create a conversation where I can continue to develop and cultivate something that benefits you more and is more fun for you to listen to. Feedback is great, and also if you just wanna throw a compliment, that's sweet too. But thank you so much for being here. [00:57:26] Your intention, your time mean the absolute world to me, and I hope you continue to have an incredible day. [00:57:32] ​

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What happens when entrepreneur burnout leads to a complete shift in how you work and who you serve? In this episode, Lesley Logan talks with personal development expert and Goals2Life founder Wendee Close about her startup journey, building a purpose-driven platform, and why slowing down can actually speed up your success. If you're feeling stretched thin or stuck in your business, this conversation will help you reset your goals, reclaim your time through time blocking, and prioritize well-being — starting with sleep.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:What led Wendee to build a purpose-driven platform from scratch.Goals2Life's impact in helping people avoid burnout and regret.How Wendee's leverages AI in helping students build habits that stick.How time blocking can help protect your energy and prevent burnout.How asking what your future self would do can guide your daily decisions.Episode References/Links:Goals2Life Website - https://www.goals2life.comGoals2Life on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/goals.2.life/Goals2Life on Facebook - https://beitpod.com/goals2lifefbWendee on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@WendeeCloseBook: Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - https://a.co/d/8xm2XNRGuest Bio:Wendee Close is dedicated to empowering students with the life skills they need to set and achieve meaningful goals. Through her Goals2Life framework, she helps young people break down big ambitions into small, actionable steps that lead to success. With a personal development and goal planning background, Wendee provides tools and guidance to help students stay motivated, build confidence, and turn their dreams into reality. Wendee Close is a recognized leader in personal development and goal planning, specializing in helping students build habits that drive success. As the founder of Goals2Life, she teaches young people how to transform overwhelming aspirations into structured, achievable steps. With years of experience in coaching and mentorship, Wendee understands the challenges students face—procrastination, uncertainty, and lack of motivation—and provides clear, actionable strategies to help them thrive in school and beyond. 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You have to take care of yourself. Because if you just focused on, oh my gosh, I love what I do, I'm going to work, work, work. That's great. But guess what? You're not going to show up as the best version of you.Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:51  All right, Be It babe. I'm gonna get into this interview as quickly as possible, because our guest today is one of my favorite humans in the world. Everytime I get off a call with her, I am more motivated to do the thing I already was motivated to do. So this podcast is honest, it's authentic. It's got great tips and it's gonna help you be it till you see it. So here is Wendee Close from Goals2Life. Lesley Logan 1:13  Be It babe, get ready. This conversation is gonna be the caffeine you forgot to get yourself this morning. I promise you. Wendee Close is our guest today, and the two of us, we get together, it's like, so you are, you can slow the speed down if you're someone who speeds up the podcast. Wendee Close, girl, I love you. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Wendee Close 1:35  Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, first off, my name is Wendee Close. Like she said, I am the CEO and founder of Goals2Life, and I rock at execution and getting shit done. I am the GSD girl. Definitely want to bring it to people where they could actually say, I want this, and they just don't know how to actually implement it. And I'm your girl for that.Lesley Logan 1:53  You so are. Here's the thing, like I was looking through, you know, Be It babe, we have, like, a form that people fill out. And it's really funny, because I, whenever it's a friend of mine, I'm like, just fill out the logistics, like email address, I know you, but like, my team's like, we do need the bio, Lesley, we do need these things. I'm like, ah (inaudible). But one of the things that I love that you wrote in this form, you actually talked about being it till you see it as a CEO of Goals2Life. And I, I would love for you to share that with people, because I couldn't agree more when I met you, when I met you, Goals2Life was an idea. You were busy doing the things, but it wasn't a thing yet. But to me, I was like, I felt like, oh my god, this woman is the CEO of the biggest, coolest, most amazing, successful company, and then I find out, like, the next day, when I'm talking with you, you are in the process of it. So you are a Be It babe, example, tell everyone what you did. Wendee Close 2:51  Oh, I, 100% okay. So for me, I lived 27 years in a B2C world, and that's like, you know, working directly with the consumer I decided, you know, here I was not in alignment with my calling. So I'm like, okay, I have now been put into a direction that now is in alignment with my purpose. So it's very clear when you have vision and you're like, okay, this is the vision of what I'm supposed to do, the gifts that I have, I'm perfectly in alignment, it, and when the vision is so clear, you you become it. So I knew I had to create a SaaS platform, which is a software service, a huge platform to solve a world problem. It's like, it's not, it's so much bigger than me. And so I have to believe so much in the calling and the purpose and my gifts and my capacity to know when I walk into the room, it's already happened. It's already happening like I already know it's not if, it's just when, and it's going in because the conviction is so strong, because you're filling a need and a void that is so needed, and you know you have the right solution, and you know you're the right person. You just show up because that's who you are, and that is what you are doing and what will be done in the perfect time. So you know, when you believe in what you're doing and when you're in alignment, it's just so easy to show up and say this is who I am, this is what I'm doing. These are the lives I am changing. This is what I'm going to do. And I'm not just doing it here and now I'm going to do it across the world. So it's just taking it in and sometimes living it way bigger than you are, because the vision is so strong and you believe it, so you live it. Lesley Logan 4:28  Yeah, I, I agree with that. Like I and loves, you don't need to know what a SaaS or a B2C is, to know that, like, all this stuff, like, to take everything she just said because I think what I, what I want to highlight is, like, you are very successful for 25 years in doing what you're doing. Like, honestly, you could have just like retired. You could have just like part time. Wendee Close 4:49  Yeah, my husband reminds me that all the time, let's just take a risk and let's just go live decide when he wants to leave a legacy in a whole different direction. You know it is, it can make you sick if you are out of alignment with who you are. And until you could really find your purpose and use your God given gifts, it can be a struggle, and you may have this emptiness or feeling of unfulfillment. And so until you can actually get clarity on what that is, and then start crafting a plan and start moving into action and when you start acting on the things that you know and you're in alignment, you start having this overwhelming sense of joy and there's not a day of working, you know, when people say, you know, what's the saying of when you, when you love, what you do, you're never, never work or whatever, truly like, I get up and straight, straight up, you guys, I'm in a startup, and this is launching a software startup. This is not easy. This story to be tell. I cannot wait. Lesley Logan 5:44  It's like obstacle after obstacle, like green light, yellow light, red.Wendee Close 5:50  I will tell you I wake up every day with so much joy of the opportunity to be called to do something so great, and to actually be able to impact lives and make a difference. I do not, no matter how many hours, no matter what the struggle, no matter what the difficulty is. When you are in alignment and you have vision and you know you can help other people, there's not, it doesn't feel like work, like it really doesn't even, no matter how hard it is, unless you know it's hard.Lesley Logan 6:17  Yeah, oh, it's, I agree with you, like, you know, before we hit record, I was like, I refuse to work more than eight hours a day. Wendee Close 6:23  Yeah. You just told me that. Lesley Logan 6:24  My work day is technically scheduled to be around seven, sometimes six. And the reason is, is, like, it's gonna go an extra hour. I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna wrap things up before I, like, sit down and I'm like, okay, what's going on for tomorrow? That doesn't mean I don't love what I do. It just means that, like, I also know that I have to live a full life, to show up every day to be the thing for you, for everyone that I'm helping. But I wake up every day like so excited. I do not hit snooze, I get in a cold punch, I get my walk in. I cannot wait to do the things that I'm doing, and I agree with you. Like, if you are out of alignment, you do almost get sick, you get frustrated, you start lashing out. You know, I guess, like, the question I have because, like, I we, I am in a tech business, which I would never have thought, like, I didn't. I was like, I'm a Pilates instructor and I hear my husband go, oh, we have a tech platform. And I was like, I'm like, we do? It's beautiful. It's so good. Lesley Logan 7:17  Hold on, does anyone notice what colors I'm wearing? Lesley Logan 7:20  Oh, my God, she is wearing OPC color. She's got the OPC hot coral. She's got the OPC turk- she is OPC. So I, I think, like, I think some people get caught up in the part that we're in right now, which is, like, we're in it. We're building something we didn't know. And you're kind of learning as you build a plane. How did you get yourself to trust that you'd figure it out? Because, like, you go from having the goal of a Goals2Life is, and by the way, her B2C was not like, also in tech guys, so this is, like, a whole, I just want to say, like, like it was, this is a 180 from what she was doing. How did you go from like, it's okay that I don't know what I don't know, I'm gonna do it anyways. Like, how did you wrap your head that you'd figure it out?Wendee Close 8:09  I, well, I would just tell everyone, just learn to be as resourceful as you can. And I was not afraid of asking a lot of questions and being vulnerable to the people that I know had the answers, because people really do want to help you, and there's a lot of people out there that if you come and you just being honest and very transparent about where you are and what you're trying to do and that you don't know, they will help you. And so I have made some incredible relationships and found some phenomenal mentors on this journey asking. And then I am just extremely resourceful, and I have confidence to say, you know, there's a lot every day I wake up every single day I'm like, I don't know how to do this. I don't know how to do that. Like today, I'm doing a live with Brooke Riley, and we are going in because I don't know how to go live. You guys. I don't. And guess what? What do I want to do? I wake every day, up every day figuring out how I can reach more people, to impact more people's lives. So guess what Wendee needs to do? I need to get out of my comfort zone. I need to learn how to go live, how I can get in front of more people. Do I want to do it? Not really. But guess what? I do want to impact lives. So guess what Wendee's going to learn? We're going to go live and we're going to learn how I'm going to go live through Goals2Life. I built a plan. She's going to teach me, and we're going to teach other people, but that's like everyday, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to get online and say, I don't know what I'm doing. So you all can watch me not know what I'm doing, but we will learn together, and people will be more vested in what you're doing when you show up that way.Lesley Logan 9:37  I agree. I, thank you for, and also thank you for being vulnerable and you, you and Brad are like people in my life who like you're not afraid to ask people for help or ask people for connection or ask and I didn't grow up like with that. And so I'm always so surprised when I see people do it. But then what it does is it gives me permission to do it too. And so I find myself doing it more, and I'm like, okay, and I don't even have to feel guilty for asking for that, because they are doing it. If they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't do it. And if they don't do it, it's not that they don't want to do it. They might have forgotten. So let's just, hey, are you still going to do that thing? No problem if you're not. Like, you guys have, the two of you, thank God for you. Like, it's a contagious behavior that you have that I needed. So let's talk a bit about Goals2Life. Because, like, you are creating this platform. It is huge. It is robust. It is for the biggest impact of all these people. Why and what do you want people to do with it? Wendee Close 10:36  Oh my gosh. Well, the big why is I want people to live a life of wholeness. We want to help people trade that burnout, that fatigue, for fulfillment and the overwhelm for outcome, by helping them bring their goals to life, but the biggest thing is, in every area of their life. We don't want one person focused on one area and looking back and regretting and understanding that they compromised other areas, just like, Lesley, how you're saying you're going to do an eight hour a day. You have to do that self-care. You have to take care of yourself. Because if you just focused on, oh my gosh, I love what I do, I'm going to work, work, work. That's great. But guess what? You're not going to show up as the best version of you. Something's going to give, and you will get the burnout if you don't take care of yourself. So it's really bringing awareness to people, understanding that we are so multifaceted, and we have to take care of each area, like if you neglect your finances, your relationships, your spiritual connections, your anything like I, mental health, like, you could literally, okay, let's just talk right here. We could be the best Pilates person ever, and have your body so strong, and here you are, but mentally, you're a hot mess. So health is not health, like, that's great. But guess what? If you're not taking care of your mind and having peace in your mind and reducing that stress or anxiety that you might be feeling, then you're really not feeling as if you are truly at peace and in harmony with what you're supposed to. So, yes, first thing first, Goals2Life is to help people, because they, they, everybody, I don't care if you're 10 years old or 90, everybody wants something. They desire something. They need to do something, or they dream of doing something, right? So now it's like, okay, what do they do with that? Most people just spiral it in their head. We empower people to allow them to understand the next step is to actually get it written down. And how do we help them create a plan? Because without a plan, they're just wandering around with a no direction. Have no clarity. They're stressed because they don't know what direction they're going. And then once they write the plan, we have an easy tool and a resource through our system to help them implement and execute the plan so what they can actually achieve the life they want. And that's what we want. People deserve to live the life they want. They just need to know how to do it. And we want to empower them through Goals2Life, to live the life that they really deeply desire. And people just don't know how.Lesley Logan 12:59  Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's true. I mean, like, I think people get so caught up in the how. And there's all these coaches out there, very brilliant people who are like, oh, don't get, don't get stuck on the how, just figure out the why and the what. And it's like, yes. And also, like, people do need to help with that first next step, because if they don't know the first next step, they will just get stuck in this house. So I really love that you've like, created this platform that really helps people, like, create a plan.Wendee Close 13:27  A detailed plan. Sadly, I know people don't want to live in the details. And right now, we're working with a university here in Southern California, University of Irvine UCI.Lesley Logan 13:35  Cool.Wendee Close 13:36  And I have their I have their computer science department, their graduate students working on our platform right now, and you know, we're talking about AI. So AI is built into the system to guide you. We do have over 60,000 data points, so we have recipes for success. You want to feel this way? We'll tell you the strategies and actions. You don't even have to think, but we want people to think. So, we're like, how much do you want AI influencing a life plan for people? And it's interesting, because AI is such a big topic right now, where you know to commit to something, to really commit to change, you do need to know your why, but you have to be vested into the work of creating and thinking about what, what you are willing to do, what you're willing to sacrifice. And you can't let AI do that, and AI can't do the actions for you either. You have to do the work and yeah, so it was interesting a fine line of how much you bring AI into this process, because if you make it too easy, they're not going to end up executing. Sometimes you have to do the work to be more committed.Lesley Logan 14:34  Yeah, I think you have to have some skin in the game, like, there has to be some investment. It's the same reason, like, you know, I got I did a lot for my business, listening to podcasts for free when I didn't have money to invest in coaching, but at some point, I was not willing to take the risk money-wise in my business with these ideas I was hearing on podcasts, until I invested in a like, you have to have some skin in the game so that you actually can do the work. I agree. My girlfriend, Monica, does my photos. She's been on the podcast before. She is like, are you using chatGPT to give you a pep talk in the morning? I was like, no, what are you talking about? Wendee Close 15:10  I haven't heard of that. Okay. That's a new, that's a new, thank you for sharing. Lesley Logan 15:13  She sent me screenshots. And it is like, Monica, you are the best. I mean, like, it is so great. I was like, okay, I clearly need to get up in the morning and say, good morning. Here's what I got going on today. Give me my pep talk. Like, not because I need it, but like, there is something nice about someone else going, you got this. Like, I think that that's really cool. I want to go.Wendee Close 15:33  I love that, by the way, thank you (inaudible) We could all use some motivation, right? Lesley Logan 15:40  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I don't know, some of us listen to music, like, we've had, like podcast guests on before. Like, their Be It Action Item was like, pick up your fave what's your song that's gonna be your Be It song and play it every morning. And that one resonated for me a little bit. But there's something about like, I don't know someone like, like, cheering me on as I get ready in the day, like, I kind of need it, but I, I want to go to like you are so good, and like one of the most generous humans I've ever met is you okay? So you are, like the picture next to the definition of the word generosity with love, all of that. So how do you make sure you don't get lost in the impact you're trying to make in the and being the owner of this business, EE CEO, the wife, the mom, all the things that you do, like, how do you prioritize Wendee? How does that happen? Wendee Close 16:25  Oh, wow, that's, that's great. You know, I was thinking about that because I love human connection, and I love people so much. And sometimes, you know, I know that I give at a 10. Like, you know, some people are like, are you a bucket? Like, where do you go? Because not everybody's at a 10. Some people are at a two, and you can't have those expectations that they want to love on you the same way, but they do love you. They just don't have the capacity to love it that way. So I have to say when I'm doing it, it has to make me feel good like when I'm giving and loving I have to be filling my bucket. The minute I'm start doing things that are not serving me well. I need to set my boundaries and realize, am I doing this because, why am I doing this? Is it because it's actually filling me up, and if it is filling me up, then I will continue to do it, but if it's starting to I'm starting to question if it's taking away and not serving me well, I need to step away. And I think having those evaluations just because it's a behavior or something that I'm used to doing, I have to check myself, time, because time is so valuable, right? But I do know that for me, having I'm not a surface person in any way, shape or form, having meaningful conversations with people where we actually are challenging and supporting each other is really what fills me up. A lot of time with my husband, where we have time to pray and be together and connect and start our day off that way. I do start my day off with a playlist. We have Goals2Life playlists for every goal, type two on Spotify. So I am a music girl, but I do listen to podcasts. So Lesley, keep them coming if you're listening to them, you know, share them with me, because I do. But I think, believe it or not, as much as people think I'm such an extrovert. I'm actually really much of a needing to be quiet and still, so I do a lot of time in the sauna, reflecting and journaling. Also, that's how I take care of myself. I love my infrared sauna. I love to start my morning in there and just secluding myself with myself, and just having peace in the morning and taking care of my thoughts and my body.Lesley Logan 18:19  Yeah, I agree. Like, I know, I know there's a lot of people like, have, like, I have a lot in the morning. I have all this going on. I'm not a morning person. I'm gonna tell you, like, if you that's fine if you could prioritize another time of your day to give to you and your body. But if you're still not, then you gotta figure out how to do it in the morning, because there's something really amazing about, you talk about your cup being, your buckets, like, at a 10. I can tell the difference when I have, like, not done, not have to do my whole routine, because I travel a lot. You travel a lot. Like, I'm not gonna I don't have my sauna with me, my sauna blanket, or my cold plunge in my hotel. Wendee Close 18:53  I know, you're like, dang, when you come home and you're like, whoo. Lesley Logan 18:56  I know, but, but I still like, I'm like, okay, well, I can still do a morning walk, or I can still do a morning meditation. There's there has to be something that is selfishly for me to fill up so that I can show up and be the gregarious introvert you all know me as. That's what Brad calls me, I say high-functioning.Wendee Close 19:16  I agree. And I mean, it's and it's in disguise. People probably are always so shocked when you or I may say that I mean as much as I love and I get that sometime it just drains me too. So I just need to get that quiet time and just be alone and still so I can go and be there for people when I'm out next. Lesley Logan 19:34  Yeah. What are you, like, okay, your particular goal, Goals2Life, building this whole thing out, like, it has different stages, has different processes. It's like ongoing, it's years long, you know, like, I think a lot of people, when they set a goal, it's like something that can often be done in a year, but like, this project that you've taken on, like, I've known you for a few years now, and, you know, like, how what do you say to yourself? What do you like? How do you set yourself? I know it's we know we talked about alignment, and this is thing is in you, but it is hard, like I have for okay, I'm going to talk about myself for a second. OPC is turning eight this year, seven or eight this year, and, and if you had told me in, you know, 2017 when I started everything, that it was going to take me until 2025 for things to, like, fall into place. I don't know that I would have started like. I don't think I would have been like. I think I've been like. That is a long time. I don't know that I have the energy and stamina and money.Wendee Close 20:38  Yeah it's definitely (inaudible).Lesley Logan 20:41  And like money to continue to pour into a business to make it fulfill its dreams. So how do you do that? Because, I mean, like this, it's not like, this thing is free, and you're just like, you know.Wendee Close 20:53  Yeah, building a tech company is probably one of the most expensive front end. Like our first business, we had a really low overhead, and were able to bring profit in really quick to, like, grow it, you know. But this is a whole different thing, because you build before you get and what you're building is not something that is low cost. So, you know, especially when you're building it as robust as we are, and it's so layered. Yes, I mean, it is a complete faith project for me, I will have to, and it's not faith, of like, oh yeah, it's not a business, it's a massive business. But it's like, I am 1,000% clear that I am, I am the person, and I have been given the gifts and capacity to bring this out to the world, and I am. There's no turning back for me. So like, when I make a decision, I am going to give it my all, and I trust that God's gonna, like, open the doors and in His perfect time, I know it's not, it's not if this is going to impact lives worldwide. I am 1,000% confident, and let's just, quote me on this, I just don't know when, but it will happen. And it's like, really giving me constantly being around people like you, Lesley, that we just keep cheering each other on, or maybe our chatGPT also cheering us on, and our friends just giving words of encouragement, saying, girl, I get you, like I'm there, like we got this, like, just having each other's back and having people on your journey that are there to just truly support you. But yes, this is hard. Like, this is the story. I mean, I had yesterday and the day before, two really, really amazing, inspiring humans that are almost like mentors to me. They're like, Wendee, this is your story. This story that is, it's not going to break you, like, it's going to refine you to the person that you need to be so you can do what you're being called to do, like, this is hard, really freaking you want to cry sometimes, but you're still joyful, and your heart was like, this is so hard.Lesley Logan 22:42  Yeah, yeah, it I feel you like it is, it's, it's so hard. But also, everything is hard. You know, I once heard like I read, I've quoted this book before, because it's that good. Y'all have to read, it's called Big Magic, and she quotes a guy whose name I'm not remembering, but she quotes a guy, and it's Elizabeth Gilbert's book, and it's from years ago, like probably 2017, 2016, from years ago. And she quotes a guy who says life is a shit sandwich, and you just got to choose a shit that you can chew. Like it's got bread, some great stuff, some shit in the middle, some other great dressing and some bread. Like, just know that everything, every idea you have, every broad project you have, every goal you have, there's gonna be some shit in the middle that you're gonna have to chew up and tolerate and do, and it's hard. And so when I read that, I was like, oh, so it's not, this isn't just hard for me. Like, everyone has a hard everyone's going through it, and so I guess that should make you even feel good, because you're like, okay, I'm on the right path. I'm in the muck.Wendee Close 23:52  Well, no, truly, I mean, and it's just also being really intentional what you feed your brain. Like, I know that what we listen to, who we put around our lives, like even from the music to the if I don't really watch much TV, I don't have time, but like everything, I have to be very careful with what I'm listening to and who's around me, because it impacts and so I have to have things that are moving me in a forward direction and not spiraling me back. So because every you need to show up in a way like right now, I just went on a 40 day reset of resetting my hormones, resetting my metabolism and just getting my brain and everything in perfect alignment to have clarity so I could show up as a best version of me to do the work that I'm being you know, you can't be out drinking every night and eating whatever you want and feeling like crap and trying to show up as you gotta walk the walk, and you gotta yep and say, like, if I'm the one being called to do this, I need to take care of myself so I could show up this way and have the have what you need, because it's a lot of grit. It's a lot of grit. And it's like, I remember, okay, so there was a guy I helped his startup he ended up actually selling for, like, I think, two or $3 billion I mean, there's a big difference between two and three, but hey, in the billions, anyway. So I, when I talked to him, and I still talked to him, he said, are you sure you want to do this? You cannot do this for someone else. This will be the hardest thing you're going to do. And I'm warning you that if you think that you're being inspired by someone else to do it. It has to be so deeply in you, and you have to be so passionate about it, because this will probably be the one of the hardest things, and you have to have so much grit and so much hustle to make this happen. And I'm like, nope, it's in me. And I remember seeing him. I went to Utah to see my daughter, and I went and I went and met him at his office. I'm like, okay, I'm feeling it. This is hard, but I'm still happy. I'm still like, yeah, I'll take the challenge. This is going to be so much fun to do. Yeah. Lesley Logan 25:54  Thank you for sharing that. I think, I thank him for, like, telling you that. I think, like, you know, some people can hear that and think, why would this person try to talk you out of it? But I think, like, it's almost like you gotta talk yourself, like it's, it's you, it's important to know what you're up against so that you can make the best decision for not just you, but your family, those you love, all the things, because they're part of it too, even if they're not on the payroll, like they're in the journey, you know they're sharing you with, with this goal. Wendee Close 26:25  Oh, I, just sharing like I'm empty nester right now, no, kids. I'm some bird launcher. Let's think positive, right? I launched my babies out into the world, and so it's me and my hubby. Lesley Logan 26:33  I, okay, hold on, you're a bird launcher. Yes, we should start changing that, because empty nester sounds like, oh my God, are you okay? But a bird launcher.Wendee Close 26:41  I'm like, hell. I did a great job with these babes. Lesley Logan 26:45  Also, don't we want them to go off and fly? All these kids are coming back to the nest, and I think that that's not so good.Wendee Close 26:51  No, thank you. No, thank you. But yeah, so, you know, it's just all perspective, but it's interesting, because, you know, time blocking is important, setting boundaries is important because I don't want my husband to feel you know, I need to prioritize, because it's now the two of us. It's our time to be together and prioritize and enjoy one another, create experiences, and then also, here I am doing a startup. So bless his heart, but yes, no making sure that I am prior, he's feeling like a priority as we have launched our babes, and it's the two of us at home. He's not feeling second fiddle. So, you know, time blocking those things, it was interesting. Okay, so I, one thing you didn't ask, well, you kind of did, but I didn't say it, um, how I do things is, if it's not on your calendar, it's not going to happen. And you guys know, like with Lesley, she's really good about making sure things are on our calendar, and she has people helping. And same here. If something is a priority to you, if it's a goal, it needs to be on your calendar. If it's not on your calendar, it's not a priority to you. So you've got to look at your calendar and make sure that you see not heavily weighted in one area, that you see that there's different things on there that you are actually prioritizing beside one thing, because something will get. So I will tell you this morning, before I came in, I made sure I'm having a date night with my son on April 1st with my mom. I have a date night to celebrate my reset with my husband this I'm going to an amazing restaurant with him on Thursday and Saturday, so you know, and I'm just booking like, what's important? I need to, if it's important that I do a date night with my husband, that we celebrate our progress, that we I gotta get it on the calendar, that I see my son, that I see my mom, like the people that matter, that, you know, you make time for it. Even time blocking I want to move this project along, time blocking time to work on it. So time blocking is huge for me, and setting aside evening like sleep routines and morning routines and all sorts of things. Lesley Logan 28:41  Yeah, it's, I mean, and that's, we have a fun way that we, like teach you how to put their, like, work schedule together. Because a lot of people we work with, they go, they kind of only get paid if they're working. Now, if you do the math the way we teach you, then you're getting paid for your time off too, and the time that you're working on your business, all that stuff. But all that being said, the way we do it there's like, your priorities have to go in first, and your sleep is the first one. Like, it has to be in there. You have to put that in because if you are fitting sleep in between everything else, you can only go so long doing that. And once you hit 40, good luck, ladies, good luck. Your body will literally hate you back. Like, you'll be like, okay, you didn't treat me well. So here we go. This is what we get. So I couldn't agree more. I think, like, you know it's been said, like, show me your calendar. I can show you what your, what your priorities are. And also, like, it's okay. Like, I had a coach whose coach told her, if you get three things done in a day every day, let's just do it, like, five days a week. That's 15 things that you got done times four. I can't do that math in my 60 things, 60 things in a month. That's a lot of things, you know, but we're all trying to, like, you know, do all 60 things in a day, and then we wonder why we're exhausted and tired, and it's not that we're not moving the needle forward because. Can't have that many plates going this doesn't work like that. So I love that you talked about time blocking and priorities, and also appreciate you sharing, like, what that looks like. Because I think sometimes we think like, oh, it must be like during the day seven hours. It's like, no, you can have dedicated quality time at dinner at a really amazing place you've never been to have a shared experience. Bones flipped off like, you know, enjoy each other and that can't that actually can be enough, you know, so that you guys have something to look forward to, but also something to talk about other people.Wendee Close 30:29  Yes. I mean, it's so important, whether it be a relational setting aside time to work on the things that will, you know, help, help you in each area. Can I just say something really, Lesley brought up a really important thing when I mentioned sleep. So one of the big reasons why I shifted is I had a major burnout. And believe it or not, there was out of alignment, was one part of it, but the other one was me lack of sleep. I thought that I was Wonder Woman. I had the capacity to do all things. I'm Mmiss Energizer Bunny. I didn't need sleep. I thought it was a weird human that didn't need sleep, but I did all the perfect things, like, if you were to name like, what is all the things in every area of their life that you do and I was doing it all, but what wasn't I doing? I wasn't sleeping enough. And so what happened? I got massive burnout, and that had to do because I wasn't sleeping. So now, like, sleep is one of the biggest priorities for me. So I will just let you know. Like, yes, when you say that and it sounds weird, like, oh, but you think this is better, and you're doing all these other things if sleep should be right up there at the very top.Lesley Logan 31:25  Yeah, it's thank you for I mean, like, Brad is also Brad thought he could, like, go without sleep. He's like, I'll sleep when I'm dead. You know. Wendee Close 31:33  Oh yes, that's what my husband said. Lesley Logan 31:34  Yeah and no, no, as a very young kid, he ended up like, you know, at the doctors with them going, you gotta sleep, dude. Like, you have to, you have to sleep, you know, so, so it's, I know, it feels like a waste. It's like, literally, when your body repairs, so no amount of Pilates, water, protein, nutrition, no, you cannot.Wendee Close 31:34  Meditation, any of it. Yeah.Lesley Logan 31:55  No, you cannot out nutrition. Like, and you don't, I don't know, and I will say, like, I'm not someone who says you have to have eight hours. Like, eight hours. Like, there's actual studies that show some people can do six. Some people need nine. Women tend to need more than men. But also, like, I have found that seven hours is really good for me. I can run off six and a half, but I'm gonna have to get some a little over seven in there. Seven and a half not a problem. More than that, unless I'm sleep deprived. It's too much for me. I actually wake up groggy. So, you have to test that for yourself. And by the way, there are like you can use Goals2Life to figure that out. You can make a plan and go, okay, how am I going to figure out how much sleep I need? I know my friend Kareen thought like she needed to sleep until 10, and when she actually work with a sleep person, they're like, no. If you fall asleep when you're tired and you wake up, you technically go to bed around 10, and you wake up at five, naturally, like you at 5 a.m. she's like, I'm a morning person. I had no idea.Wendee Close 32:48  I know I'm building your whole circadian rhythm. It's amazing, you guys. But when in the time blocking of setting your nighttime routines and adding like your bedtime to your calendars is and even your eating times and all this anyways, so Goals2Life does have calendar integration with, like, Outlook and Gmail or Google Calendar, so it really helps. So your goal plan is in complete alignment. But yeah, when people are like, oh, it's a priority, but they're not putting it on their calendar, I'm like, no, it's really not. It's not really your goal. How bad do you want it? You're not making time for it. You're filling it with, like, unproductive things that aren't moving the needle forward.Lesley Logan 33:20  Yeah, yeah, I agree. Wendee, I lit, I literally could talk to you forever. We'll have to, we'll have do this again when we'll do another check in, see how all this is going. We're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and Goals2Life with you. Wendee Close 33:33  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 33:34  All right, Wendee, where? Where do they need to go? Where do you hang out? Where are the links? Where are we going?Wendee Close 33:40  Okay, all right. So you can go to Goals2Life.com and that's with the 2 so like, we're bringing your goals to life. So, goals2life.com and there is a sign up page right there where you could sign up for Goals2Life. Right now, we have a 30-day free trial to check into the system. We have community. We have a lot of amazing things. You can also follow us on Instagram or Facebook and our YouTube channel. Very inspired. Lesley has inspired me, okay, another person who is helping me, inspire me to have a YouTube channel, and it's under Wendee Close. So follow the journey of me actually bringing my goals to life, live. And you know, hey on the go. So that's what we'll be doing. And I hope that you guys can all join the Goals2Life movement of actually implementing and executing and achieving your goals. Lesley Logan 34:25  I hope you all do. I think it's really cool. It's nice to have a tool to help you, like you can have all the ideas and all the advice, but like, sometimes we do need a tool, just like my friend Monica is using chatGPT as a tool to pep talk her in the morning, like we it's you don't have to be a superhuman who, like, somehow remembers all these things. You've given us so much already, to be completely honest. But I really want to hear your bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us, babe?Wendee Close 34:52  Okay, all right. So for bold, I want people to own their next level identity, so within Goals2Life they can create that identity through our goal pathways and align it to who they want to become. So I want people to ask themselves, what would my future self do today and actually do it in action. Because we're all about action. Make it executable. The E is executable. We're all about execution. So take small, intentional steps daily. So we'll, in Goals2Life we'll help you break the big goals into micro movements. And so I'm going to ask you to ask yourself, what is one step that I can take today and actually take it? Take the action, and then the I is intrinsic? So align your goals with purpose, as I've talked about a lot, like aligning what you want with a purpose, and make sure it's in alignment with your values and principles. So in Goals2Life, we want you to set goals that will actually matter. So we're going to ask you to ask yourself, why does this matter to me what I want to do? You need to know why it matters to you so you're deeply rooted into the commitment of actually fulfilling what you committed to through your goal. And then the T is target. So set clear, measurable milestones that you can have a target on and in Goals2Life we will turn, , your vague hopes or your ideas into actual, tangible outcomes. And we want you to ask yourself, how will I measure the progress? And in Goals2Life we can help you measure your progress so you can celebrate and actually achieve. Lesley Logan 36:18  I love, at the Be It Pod we celebrate every Friday, and we should be celebrating all the time. We celebrate on Fridays, just in case you didn't take time. I truly love those. I think that, like, I feel like you almost defined the Be It Action Items in a way, it's like, perfect that you know, in a way that, like, I always hope people understand, like, why this podcast exists is just to help you take the next step to be the person you want to be, as if you're already that person, and that's you, literally, Wendee, are a shining example of that, but also what you're creating is like literally the tools people need to do it. So thank you for being you. Thank you for Goals2Life. My Be It Pod listener, what are you gonna do? Be It babe, what are you gonna do? How are you using these tips in your life? What was your favorite takeaway? Make sure you tag Goals2Life. Tag Wendee Close. Tag the Be It Pod. We want to celebrate with you. We want to be part of your journey. We want to know how this is going and send this to a friend who needs to hear it. Because sometimes it's like your friends need to hear it from a different, a different setting, a different, the same words from a different set of voices to help them get out of the rut, take the next step, get into alignment. So thank you, Wendee, for being you and a dear friend. Wendee Close 37:23  One other thing, you are a Goal Expert in Goal Select. So, you guys, we promote people as fabulous as Lesley, and we have experts across the nation. She is our Pilates expert. And she is amazing, as you guys all know, and so she is a huge part of the movement in the physical goal set. So thank you, Lesley, for for believing in Goals2Life and being part of our community and being an expert, also.Lesley Logan 37:47  I'm, it's an honor. I'm so excited. I can't wait to see where we go with this together, like, and that's the coolest thing about like, people like you and myself and Brad and all these other people who we all get to we all get to do this together. You know, even though we're apart, we're like our but our ships can, like, you know, tag on and tug through and like, we can do this together. And that's, that's you, too, as you listen, Be It babe, like you have your friends, if they are growing then you all get to grow together. And that's where things get to be really, really fun. So, everyone, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 38:12  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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During our summer break, we are re-airing some of our favorite episodes. In this live conversation recorded at Duke University, the indomitable Liz Gilbert (of EAT, PRAY, LOVE fame) joins Kate for a discussion about the courage to create. Listen as Liz helps us expose our exhausting American need to make everything useful and lets us embrace beauty as a way of really living. In this episode, Kate and Liz discuss: Why we stop ourselves from being creative How we are all capable of making anything (badly! medium-well!) But how our creativity is best if it is for no reason whatsoever (not for impact or legacy or money or acknowledgement) How curiosity quiets fear and control CW: some spicy adult language Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts. Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler. Links to social pages and more available at linktr.ee/katecbowler.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lesley and Brad recap Lesley's informative conversation with Matthew Lesko, the iconic question-mark-suit-wearing advocate for free government resources. Learn how to get support for your business or personal goals, shift your mindset around asking for help, and tap into programs that already exist to empower you. This episode breaks down key takeaways, including how Lesko's mission began and the tools you can use to take action today. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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You're gonna have to care about the problem that you're solving. Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:51  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the endearingly fun convo I had with Matthew Lesko in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now, go back and listen to that one, because you've missed out. Brad Crowell 1:09  So you could also have said the wise, happy old man convo I had, who drops a lot of F bombs. Lesley Logan 1:14  And also, when we say old, I just want to say, like, there's nothing. He is not like slow.Brad Crowell 1:20  No, he does not come across that old. And he said PSM 81. I was like, what? Really?Lesley Logan 1:26  Yeah, yeah, he's feisty and fun, and. Brad Crowell 1:29  Heck yeah. Lesley Logan 1:29  And like, working so hard for everyone. And I was just so excited. And then when we I was like, I had just interviewed him that day, and our friend Michael and Brogan was here at the house, and I was like, oh my God, I just interviewed someone. You should have him on your show. And I just started describing him and our friend Michael was like, Matthew Lesko? And he was like, he's like, the guy with a question mark suit. And I'm like, yeah, that's him. And he's like, stop right now. I want him on my show. So anyways, super, super fun. We'll get into that episode in just a second. But today is July 3rd 2025 and it's National Compliment Your Mirror Day. National Compliment Your Mirror Day is on July 3rd. We live in an image-driven world. Sometimes this can cause us to not notice and compliment a very important person in our lives, ourselves. This day motivates us to look in the mirror and recognize all those things that make us exceptional, inside and out. So go look yourself in the mirror and give yourself a compliment. Brad Crowell 2:25  Go do it. Lesley Logan 2:25  Do it now. You can use your phone as a camera if , as a mirror, if you want. But sometimes I do that. Okay, literally, next week. Is it next week? I guess it's July 3rd, so maybe a little after a week. Brad Crowell 2:38  Well, Happy July 4th for those in the United States. Lesley Logan 2:41  Those who celebrate. Brad Crowell 2:42  The independence that we are on the brink of not having. Lesley Logan 2:47  You guys, I'm just going to be really honest, we're recording this while L.A. is being taken over by people. A lot of misleading information, a lot of bad stuff. Make sure always, always, always, always get news from the people who are on the ground, because people like to spend things. And so anyways, if you're celebrating the Fourth of July, Happy Fourth of July. But, in exciting news, on July 9th, I'm hosting a free workout for those people who are interested in eLevate, my mentorship program. And we'll have a Q&A, we'll have eLevate grads on there who will tell you why they love it so much. And you just want to go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist to get on, get the invitation, and come to that. We have, like, I don't know, at the time we're recording this, like, eight spots left, I think, which is not a lot of spots at all. Brad Crowell 2:47  It's not a lot of spots, y'all. Lesley Logan 3:27  No, and we're actually, like, gonna be, you know, pretty soon, starting to work out who has what time slot. Brad Crowell 3:40  I mean, there are hundreds of people on the waitlist. Lesley Logan 3:43  Yeah, like, like, several hundreds. Like, for eight people. Brad Crowell 3:47  Eight spots, right? Because we started.Lesley Logan 3:49  But don't let that deter you. That means you should go be one of those eight people. Brad Crowell 3:53  100%Lesley Logan 3:54  Yeah. Brad Crowell 3:54  Yeah. And you're welcome to reach out, you know now, so, but yeah, July 9th, it's gonna be a super good time. We're going to have a free class, answer questions, have some alumni on there, but guess what I'm really excited about, too.Lesley Logan 4:07  Yeah, we're doing Agency Mini, our coaching program that we do, where we. Brad Crowell 4:12  Bringing it back. Lesley Logan 4:12  We help as many people as possible. Brad Crowell 4:12  Bring it back to me. Lesley Logan 4:13  Yeah, and we're doing it in three days, so you don't have to be overwhelmed by a week-long situation with like, the Facebook, none of that stuff. So if you've heard of Mini before, this is a new Mini. Brad Crowell 4:28  If you've done Mini before, you should come back and do that. Lesley Logan 4:31  Yeah, we used to have a rule that you couldn't and now you can. Brad Crowell 4:34  Yeah, we're, this is a special invite. Special invite because it's different. You know. We're, we're taking the concept and we made it better, we made it shorter, we made it easier, we made it faster, all the things. And so, you know, you really can learn a lot in just three days with us. And then, you know, there's also opportunities for coaching calls, which we never offer outside of our coaching group. Or you can book a coaching call with either Lesley or with me. It's a Round Robin. So you'll be surprised at who you get, because it's just based on our availability. But basically.Lesley Logan 4:58  Oh, that's cool. So they're just booking it and, like. Brad Crowell 5:07  They're just booking a call and getting aside. Lesley Logan 5:08  Cool. It's like speed dating.Brad Crowell 5:10  Kind of, but it's gonna be great because, you know, we, we don't have, we don't set aside the time to coach people who are not in our coaching group, because it's already a lot, right? And so what we've done differently this time is we're creating that space that time we actually are leaving, you know, time during six days where you can book a call with us. And you do that when you register for Agency Mini, so when you're going through and it says, like, oh, do you want to join Agency? Say yes. And then during the checkout, you'll say, oh yeah, and yes, I would like to add a coaching call and so, you know, we'll, we'll be able to chat. It's gonna be awesome. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to meeting everybody. I love hearing all the different things that are going on. I just had a coaching call with a new Agency member, and she's opening up a bigger space, like a much bigger space than her current space. Lesley Logan 5:56  Oh, is it, who I think it is? Brad Crowell 6:03  No, not at all. So, you know, and they, they were, they're trying to figure out, like, you know, all the mechanics behind that. And what's so fun is that Lesley and I've been able to be there for this conversation many, many, many, many times over the years, plus we've done it ourselves, right? So anyway, come join us. Go to Agency Mini, prfit.biz/mini P-R-F-I-T dot biz, that's profit without the O dot biz slash mini. Then, we're hitting the road.Lesley Logan 6:33  Yeah, after Mini, we literally pack up the van and we're gonna go on tour, you guys, 15 cities and like, 20-something days. Our tour is powered by Balanced Body, and many of the events are sold out, like a lot of them are sold out and so but also on this one, there is an opportunity to join a virtual so if I've never come to a city near you, you've never had the time to drive a half hour across town, all that stuff, you can actually get tickets to the virtual events we're doing in Calgary. So go to opc.me/tour to see the lineup, the cities. I can name them for you. We're doing Phoenix, San Diego, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Francisco, Sacramento, Eureka, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Kamloops, Calgary, McCall, Idaho, Salt Lake in Las Vegas.Brad Crowell 7:18  That's right, I'm impressed you just rattled that off I think that's 16, right? Something like that. 15?Lesley Logan 7:22  Some people keep saying 15, whenever I counted. It feels like 16, so I don't know. Brad Crowell 7:28  Yeah. Well, anyway, it's a bunch. It's exciting. We've got a lot going on, and we can't wait to meet you in person. So come join us. Go to opc dot me slash T-O-U-R that's opc.me/tour. And then.Lesley Logan 7:41  We had a lot of people in the U.K. jealous of this tour. And I'm like, hold on, we're coming your way in September. So we come home, we acclimate, then we go into the U.K. We have two city locations in the U.K. for our Mullet Tour, which means business in the front Pilates in the back. Don't worry, the business is also like life skills. So.Brad Crowell 7:59  It's not like super deep business in a studio. So you can.Lesley Logan 8:02  No, you can be a non-teacher. Brad Crowell 8:04  One of them is about scheduling, and you can apply that to any element of life, like. Lesley Logan 8:14  One of them is about habits. Brad Crowell 8:14  And the other's about habits. That's right. So. So anyway, it's gonna be awesome. Go to opc.me/uk.Lesley Logan 8:15  We'll do Leeds and we'll do Essex. And right now we have three spots left in Leeds. No, they're not days passes yet available for Leeds. There's only three weekend passes left, so we're not breaking those up. In Essex, we have day passes because it's during the week. Or you can save money by getting two day pass. So go to opc.me/uk you can come to both. There's only, like, two workshops that cross over. So.Brad Crowell 8:37  You could come to Leeds and then to Essex, yeah, you totally could do that, and then you can continue the conversation. Because often, when you do a workshop and you leave, how often do you immediately revisit that content? Imagine being able to revisit it right away and just take it even deeper, hear it again and, like, really dial it in. So that's also an option. Then, in October, guess where we're going? Lesley Logan 9:01  Back to Cambodia. Brad Crowell 9:02  That's what we're doing. We can't wait. Obviously, we love Cambodia. We love going there. We love helping people experience another world altogether. It is just the coolest place.Lesley Logan 9:13  I love just like getting some time away from the life and chaos that's going on that you like, absorb all the time, and you're dealing with all the time to just like, to just fill your cup up and be amazed about what community can look like in a village, and what it can look like to see temples that took hundreds, if not thousands of people over, you know, several years working together. And sometimes when I just feel like there's just no way we're going to solve this problem, that I go there and I'm like, well, they did this, and if they did this, I can solve a problem. So, like, I just it's always very, It's humbling, but also grounding, and then it really allows you to step away from what's going on and get a bigger, get a better understanding and come back into it.Brad Crowell 9:57  I love it. Well, you're not wrong. It is mind-blowing it is one of those trips that will change your perspective of life in general. It's amazing. So you should join us. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com. Come join us. There are still spots for this October, and it's not too late to get the plane tickets. I think Lesley and I just basically bought ours recently. Lesley Logan 10:18  We have haven't bought them yet. No. Brad Crowell 10:19  We've been looking at them. Lesley Logan 10:19  We're looking at them. Brad Crowell 10:19  So we haven't bought them yet, right? So don't worry, there's room, okay, there's time. So come join us. But, before we get into the Matthew Lesko question mark jacket, he didn't wear it in the interview. But he. Lesley Logan 10:33  Yes, he did. Brad Crowell 10:34  He wore his question mark jacket? Lesley Logan 10:36  Oh, yeah, you didn't watch? Brad Crowell 10:37  No, I did watch, but I kept looking at his epic blue glasses.Lesley Logan 10:41  No, there was question marks on that suit that clearly-fitted-to-him suit. Brad Crowell 10:46  He's a badass. Lesley Logan 10:47  Wonderfully fitted to him. Brad Crowell 10:48  Well. Anyway, before we get into that, we have an audience question @MarleneBroek on YouTube says, I wish I could do a Scottish accent, because I think her last name is Scottish, but I'm not going to try. She said hello, I already have a Reformer, but my head rest is stationary. Any recommendation for a separate headrest, such as the kind that forms to one's neck, interesting, or one that is flat to go on top of it. Thank you so much for your time. All right, Marlene, get ready, because I already know what's coming.Lesley Logan 11:22  So unfortunately, you all, many, many people are now making Reformers who've never done Pilates before, and they don't know that these things make a difference. So I'm super, super glad you're curious, because your headrest is not supposed to be stationary. So what I don't know from this is, if your headrest is stationary up or stationary down. My hope is that it's stationary down, because then we can get like a wedge pillow of some kind that will mimic a head rest being up. But then you could take that, that insert away, and then you could actually still do overhead exercises. If it is stationary up, you cannot do any overhead exercises. No, there's nothing we can do. I don't even know that what you can do, because I don't have a picture of your Reformer, don't know if it has hinges, if you could add anything. Unclear. So what I will say is, I'm just going to assume your headrest is stationary down for the rest of this conversation. You don't want a pillow or headrest that forms to your neck, because we're not actually trying to support the neck in that way we're, actually, when we have the headrest up, it's meant to tilt your head in just a way, so your neck can relax, but your upper abs can engage without us even telling you. That's why the headrest is up for footwork, for frogs and circles, for running, for pelvic lift, that your headrest is up so that your you just have this nice little support to help you engage your upper abs without you using your neck. It's really quite cool. He's very fast. So anyways, and it's down when you're not using that. So you can do overhead exercises. You get your box on top, things like that. So I would look into, Marlene, some sort of like foam wedge that you can cut to the size of your headrest. Brad Crowell 13:00  And firm foam. Lesley Logan 13:01  I would definitely say something firm. You don't want to be like a pillow.Brad Crowell 13:05  Right. So, so, like, I'm thinking about your baby chair and that little funny wedge that you have for the baby chair. Kind of would be like that. So, like, and that wedge, you're sitting on it, and it doesn't move, like, it doesn't give, it, literally, is intended to level out the baby chair. So in this case, you would want something that's firm like that as well. Lesley Logan 13:23  Yeah, very firm, like, you can even.Brad Crowell 13:26  Like, you basically just taking it on and off.Lesley Logan 13:27  I mean, I would imagine, like, if you have someone handy in your life with, like, a really cool saw that could, like, take a yoga block and, like, slice it from. Brad Crowell 13:37  That's a good texture, yoga block. I bet you could modify a yoga block to make your own wedge. Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah. And I think that some yoga blocks even come like that. So, like you, I mean, like, there's a lot of things out there, but that's what I would do. Brad Crowell 13:50  What kind of angle are we talking about here?Lesley Logan 13:52  Let me just get my protractor out. It's, it's not as.Brad Crowell 13:59  If there's a right angle, is it halfway? Lesley Logan 14:01  No. Brad Crowell 14:02  No. It's 1/3 of the way? Lesley Logan 14:03  One-third, maybe. Your eyes are still able to look at the ceiling. You're not looking at your toes. Brad Crowell 14:09  Got it. Lesley Logan 14:10  Yeah. Brad Crowell 14:10  Cool. Lesley Logan 14:11  Yeah. So Marlene, I hope this helps you. This is why I did the Reformer, you know, how to choose a reformer video. And this is why these are things we have to think about when it comes to what, what changes did an engineer make when making your rReformer, you know, like, did they change the springs for bungee cords? Did they change the foot bar that moves to a fixed vertical foot bar? Did they change that there's no head the headrest doesn't go down or doesn't go up? Did they change the shoulder rest so that they're round and not actually something that like allows your shoulders to be wide, or your foot to be against something that like fills their foot out like the Contrology shoulder blocks actually fit the shape of your foot. That's why they're (inaudible). That's why they're made the way they're made. So.Brad Crowell 14:53  I was like, what?Lesley Logan 14:55  So anyways, I don't think you have to go buy a whole other Reformer, Marlene, but I would do this, and then I would have a little savings account for the another, the next Reformer. And trust me, someone will buy this off you for the same thing you paid for it, because everything goes up in price and they're not paying tax on shipping.Brad Crowell 15:10  No doubt. Well, and then when you're ready to go shopping, reach back out to us and we'll connect you with Balanced Body, where we've got a discount code for you there. So yeah, all right. If you have a question.Lesley Logan 15:21  Send it to the beitpod.com/questions. Brad Crowell 15:24  That's right. Send it to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions. If you have a win, and you want us to cover that win on the FYFs on Friday, you can also submit it right there as well. So thanks for asking that. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into the question mark-filled convo with Matthew Lesko. Actually, it's more like mind-blowing convo. He has said wealth of information and exuberance for life. I really enjoyed it. So we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 15:50  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Mr. Matthew Lesko. At the age of 81, Matthew is still rocking those question mark suits and has spent four decades helping people find free resources that they did not know existed, which I kind of think is amazing. He has written over 100 books, y'all, he's written 100 books. He has appeared on shows like Oprah, Larry King, The Good Morning America, and built a thriving online community that connects people to grants, businesses and funding and overlooked financial support. PS, I did math while I was listening, his, his community is like 5000 plus people. Yeah, that's crazy. From a string of failed businesses to becoming a recognizable voice for everyday people, Matthew has made it his mission to make support accessible. And it proves it's not about luck. It's about knowing where to look. So we're fired up about that. That was amazing. Tell me one of your favorite things about this convo. Lesley Logan 16:47  Okay. How many things can I talk about? But first I want to just like he emphasized, there's no single formula for success. He talks about how life and starting anything new, this is important, means dealing with failure, struggle and a lot of guesswork. My perfectionist, here it is from someone who's written 100 books and is 81 years old and seen it all. You know, it come like success actually comes from dealing with failure, struggling, a lot of guesswork. And he believes success doesn't come from knowing everything, but from possessing the energy and willingness to keep trying and learn from failures. Hold on. I have to, I have to say this. He strongly advocates that you follow your heart. Stated, he says the way to get anything done is your heart has to be in it. He also said your heart is smarter than your brain, and to trust that more than anything. And I love this, because I think, like a lot of people, like, well, what's specifically when we coach people on their Pilates business, I'm like, oh, you know, who do you want to help? Well, that's, I want to help everyone. Brad Crowell 17:45  Me, too. Lesley Logan 17:45  Right. But like, who do you want to help? Because if your heart's not in it, you're gonna really be annoyed helping the person that you don't want to help. And then you're if your heart's not in it, you're gonna start resenting them and, like, start going, oh, this becomes another job, right? Like, your heart has to be in what you're doing.Brad Crowell 18:01  Yeah, definitely. You know, it's so funny. We were just talking about this recently, where I feel like there's the two extremes, like I'll do anything for money. I'll only do it if I love it. And, you know, I know I kind of flip flopped over this, you know, during my life. And he has a very compelling argument to follow your heart, and I think also too, you know, he's very savvy. He's very business savvy. So he's been able to figure out how, by following his heart, can he also make money. And he's turned it into like a mission, and that mission has attracted other people who are like-minded. And, I mean, that is like the ideal scenario. Lesley Logan 18:45  Well, and also, if you realize, like, you know, first of all, you know, Big Magic is a great book for everyone to read. And some of your things that you love to do, that you're like, are creative, aren't meant for making money on. So that's, we're not. I don't think that Matthew or us are advocating that you like if you love pottery, that you go or you only make pots, and that's how you make money. That whatever you are setting yourself up to do, to go through the struggles, to go through the obstacles, to go through the failures, you'll, you have to actually want to do it. You can have to care about the problem that you're solving. If you don't care, you're not gonna be able to handle those obstacles. You're not gonna be able to go through it. You're gonna, you'll get, you'll get a door slam on your face and just go, okay, well, I'm not into it, right? So I think that's what he means, that your heart has to be in it. Like not everything you love doing will be a thing you make money on, but you gotta care about what you're doing. Gotta have care for it to be successful.Brad Crowell 19:40  Yeah, and I think there was something he said that just went right out of my mind. But he, he, he was talking about the when his, when he first, he actually, first off, I had no idea, he was in the military, but apparently he was in the military after he got out, he started.Lesley Logan 20:02  81 (inaudible). I don't think you get to be 81 and you weren't, unless you're an asshole, draft dodger dickhead. Anyway.Brad Crowell 20:02  That's fair. So he, he said he started a bunch of businesses and they failed. He started another business and they failed, and then he became a consultant, and that somehow, you know, was working, but then he was making millionaires billionaires. And he was like, that sucks. You know, he's like, these people don't care about anybody except for themselves. And he was not and he was not really enjoying it. And you know, he said he had this moment though, where he's showing up for the job, and he's like, uh, someday it's gonna be better and more fun, and then hopefully when I'm retired, I'll be able to go enjoy life. And he said, wait a minute. Why? Why should I keep doing something that I hate just hoping that someday it'll make it'll be better, it'll I will enjoy it more, or it's gonna pay me what I want to pay. He's like, I only have one life to live, and I'm better. I should start enjoying what I'm doing now. How do I do that? How do I do that? You know? So he said he flipped the script and decided to prioritize having fun. And he said having fun is contagious. He said it's a little contagious. In fact, you know, just his approach to the podcast was contagious and fun and joyful, you know. And he said it's also when you're doing something that feels fun, you are naturally motivated to work harder, right? So, you know, instead of like, kicking yourself to go get the thing done, that you have to do, what if you could do something that is fun, you know, you're gonna do it well, because you love doing it?Lesley Logan 21:37  Yeah. Yeah. It made me think a little bit about Gay Hendricks is, like, zone of genius kind of a thing. Like, I feel like. Brad Crowell 21:44  Sure.Lesley Logan 21:44  I feel like they're very similar, except for this one is, like, except for Matthew is teaching us how to get the money we need to go do the thing we love.Brad Crowell 21:54  Yeah, it's, it's very true, and he's encyclopedic with that, as well. He was very impressive. Lesley Logan 21:58  I will say. Like, if you listen to episode 400, Gay Hendricks will help you figure out what your zone of genius is. And then Matthew Lesko will give you all the websites for where you can get paid to do your zone of genius. I think that these are two must listen tos.Brad Crowell 22:12  Who knew that kind of a thing, just, mind-blowing. Lesley Logan 22:12  And I think that each state has that. You have to figure out, like, how does your state, how does your state make money? Right? Because every state's a little different. How they tax, what they tax. So like, obviously Nevada is not excited to help us unless we are a casino. So since we are not one of those things, we're not getting that. But at the same time, there's still going to be things we can reach out to figure like, find ways, because this, they do have local people who need.Brad Crowell 22:40  Yeah, gambling and tourism, that's how Nevada makes money.Lesley Logan 22:43  Yeah. So that's how that makes money. So, like, but we can figure out, like, okay, well, how, what does the city need, right? Because we actually don't live for, the strip is not part of Las Vegas, surprising. It's technically paradise, but, but, but you can figure out what your city needs to get, what your county needs to get, what state needs, and then go, oh, well, what are they? They're paying for that, they're giving out grants for that. Like, yeah, you do the paperwork. But like, not many people are. Brad Crowell 23:06  Not many people are. Lesley Logan 23:07  Remember, I forget her name, B-D B-D. Brad Crowell 23:12  B-E-A-T-Y? Lesley Logan 23:14  Yeah. No, no, B-E-A-T-T-E. She was on our on an episode of The Be It Pod, and she got a, she got an SBA grant because she filled out the fucking paperwork.Brad Crowell 23:26  Yeah, I. Lesley Logan 23:27  B-D Brad Crowell 23:28  Don't have her name there.Lesley Logan 23:30  Well, she's in the two hundreds. Let's see how.Brad Crowell 23:35  Oh, B-E-A-T-E Chalet, Chalet. She was, she,her interview was 196. I'm very proud.Lesley Logan 23:43  Ah, I was so close. And I was thinking, Beate Chelette, but I was like, no, I was confusing her with Aletta Rochat. And I was like, no, but actually, I should have said it out loud, because I was right. Anyway, so close, so close. Yeah, but she, if you guys listen to her episode 196 she actually got an SBA grant for her business idea. You know? Brad Crowell 24:05  I love that. Lesley Logan 24:05  Because she did the thing that Matthew said to do, make the appointment, sit down with the people like, fill out the thing. Anyways.Brad Crowell 24:13  Impressive. All right. Well, anyway, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into that amazing convo you had with him about the Be It Action Items, which y'all literally, you have to take notes like, it is, it's 100% you have to go back. You slow it down, listen to it twice, write down all the things he said. But we're gonna talk about it so. Lesley Logan 24:31  And it's also in the transcripts. Brad Crowell 24:33  Oh yeah, we'll put the links in the transcripts, but stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 24:37  Okay. Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. Say it with me Mindi. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Matthew Lesko. He shared an abundance of untapped government resources, both state and federal. By the way, it's not just the federal.Lesley Logan 25:00  And I guess for the people who live internationally, I imagine these things probably exist in a lot of places you live. Brad Crowell 25:05  I'm 100% sure about Canada. In fact, I have a lot of musician friends who would get grants in Canada where the Canadian government was willing to sponsor. Lesley Logan 25:14  Yes. We have had guests who do that. That is amazing. Brad Crowell 25:16  Yeah. And that that like, I don't even maybe that's available here too. I have no idea, but I'll tell you. You know, that was seemed to me like, like my college friends were like, I want to make an album. And they literally applied to the Canadian federal government, and they got like, 10 grand to make an album. And I was in college going, how the hell, why can't I get 10 grand? Lesley Logan 25:36  I mean, they were Canadian, obviously. Brad Crowell 25:38  Yeah, they were, they were obviously Canadian. So anyway, he shared a bunch of untapped resources. He said that 40% of everything in our economy are organizations that give you free money to solve a problem. I don't really understand that statistic, and I can't actually validate that, but he's been doing this for four decades, y'all, so he knows all these things. He emphasized that these programs are already paid for with our tax dollars. So it's on us to take advantage of them, or the money just sits there, it doesn't get used, right? And also, it might not be the kind of thing that they get to they don't just hoard it and pile it. It might be like, hey, you can give up to $2 million away, but if they don't, they don't get to keep it, right? So basically, it's on us to go take advantage of what is available to us. And it was fascinating to listen to him talk about the different reasons that someone might want to go get a talk to these organizations and go through the process. He emphasized that, well, yeah, there, and this stuff is already funded. It's already paid for. He advised the to seek out free government and nonprofit resources directly, rather than relying on standard search engines like Google, specifically, because they don't actually do SEO, or they're gated searches, you can't actually search them with outside search engines like Google. Right? And so basically, he gave us examples like findhelp.org which is amazing. It's about local finding local help for things like food, housing, health, money.Lesley Logan 27:04  That, right there is so amazing how many people are struggling to afford groceries right now. Like, maybe, maybe you're not someone who is it, but maybe someone you know is. You can send them that information. Brad Crowell 27:15  findhelp.org you know, and there will be links in the show notes. So there's more links in the show notes. Lesley Logan 27:22  So many. Brad Crowell 27:22  Yeah. He talked about the SBA. He talked about Apex Accelerators, which I've never heard of before. He talked about career and job training. Lesley Logan 27:30  Oh, and turn your VPNs off, y'all. Brad Crowell 27:31  Yeah, yeah. They're, you know, if they're a government side, it might have trouble if you have a VPN on. He talked about HUD, which is like another United States government, housing urban development, and he said, there's free financial and debt counseling, right? And they can help you get out of debt.Lesley Logan 27:48  I mean, I had no idea, because, like so many of my friends and everyone had, like, use those companies that can, like, you know, supposedly help, but it could affect your credit at the same time. Like, who? Who knew if you use the government agency, maybe it would have been different.Brad Crowell 28:02  I wish I had known when I when I had a failed business. It would have been really helpful. Wish I had known. So anyway, what about you? I mean, all those things and there's still more. Lesley Logan 28:11  Okay, so we said it already. We're gonna say it again, because it's a Be It Action Item. Once you find a resource, book an appointment, okay? Matthew said, everybody just wants to fill out on application online, and wait for the money. You can't do that, he said, because you don't know. Brad Crowell 28:23  What did everybody wants to say what? Lesley Logan 28:23  Everybody wants to just fill out the applications online. Like, you know, like, oh, let me just do it online. It's just copy paste, copy paste. And he's saying, don't do that, because you don't know how the application should be filled out. And, like, there's always the little nuances, right? Like, we're currently working with lawyers who are filling out legal forms for us to go to Canada. So if we had done it ourselves, we wouldn't know the insight and the nuances to like, oh, actually, put this instead of that, because this will get you across. And that is actually going to be like, we have enough of those. So like, you want to make sure that you're working with someone who's like, fighting for you to fill it out correctly will tell you what certain things mean. I mean, sometimes I don't even know. It's like, you're like, oh, I think that's where I put my business name, and it's not, it's where you put your account number or something like that. So, you know, just work with the people. They're in the office I'm talking, I'm sure it'll brighten their day to hear what you're working on, right, what you need help with. Also, they often know the other people in the area, the community, the other resources to help you, right, like, oh, if I'm not the right resource, this person is, if you're starting a business or a nonprofit or side hustle, the smartest move is to call your local SBA office and speak with a counselor. Again, not something online, not a chatGPT. You gotta go and talk to someone. And then he also said, talk to experts who.Brad Crowell 29:42  SBA stands for Small Business Administration, right? So that's a federal government thing, but they have local offices around the country, so you can actually go in and make an appointment to to their office. In fact, also too, not that I'm like, a huge fan of the big banks, but big banks actually often have training programs for business owners, too.Lesley Logan 30:02  Yes, but we're not fans of big banks because they won't help you get an SBA.Brad Crowell 30:05  Almost never will they help you get a loan. But, you know, there are resources available there too, but the SBA is actually, like, trying to help you get the money. Lesley Logan 30:13  Yeah, I would fuck the big banks.Brad Crowell 30:17  If the big banks, like, honestly, the SBA doesn't let you apply for SBA funding directly through the SBA. You have to apply through a bank. You don't necessarily need to apply through a big bank, though. So that's the difference there.Lesley Logan 30:30  Right. So, and then also make sure you have the experts who can help you, help people like you, guide you to the right programs and the paperwork, and they usually do this for free. And you know, he's someone who loves to help people. So, like, there's, there's things out there. You're not on your own. Your friends and family might not be the best people to ask, but, you know what? Go to these offices and go, oh, they can't help you. Do you know who? Do you know who will, who can? Like, what else should I search? What should I be searching? Because I get the right thing. Like, they'll, they'll even, even at the DMV people help me, if you just ask the right questions and you're really nice. So trust me, people want to help people. Brad Crowell 30:34  Yeah, it's true. It's true. Well, what a wealth of information. Also, he has like, here's like, books that are like, $20 so, like, even if you're, you know, look, if you're looking for more and you, you know, want to check out his resources. He has that community. The community he built is like people trying to help people find the right stuff. So, I mean, it's just curious. It's just fascinating.Lesley Logan 31:29  Sounds super positive. Brad Crowell 31:30  It sounds really positive, yeah. Lesley Logan 31:31  Yeah. Who doesn't need that in their life? Anyways, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Brad Crowell 31:36  Share it. Send it.Lesley Logan 31:37  This is the episode to share. There's so much in there for people, everybody.Brad Crowell 31:41  Episode 545, y'all, share it. Lesley Logan 31:43  545Brad Crowell 31:44  545Lesley Logan 31:44  I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 31:45  And I'm Brad Crowell. Thanks so much for being here. Lesley Logan 31:48  Oh, okay, you totally did. Show. We already said to share this. So now, go Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 31:55  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 31:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 32:39  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 32:44  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 32:49  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 32:55  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 32:59  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Episode 559 - Laura Munson - Uncovering The Wild Why, We Get Stumped and We Overcome Our Inner CritterFounder of the Top Ranked Haven Writing Retreats“I'm so glad you are here. Thank you. You are a very large part of why I write —why I sit at the intersection of heart and mind and craft that is the writing life.” Laura MunsonNew York Times Best Selling AuthorYou complete the trajectory that begins at my writing desk and longs to land in your hands as you spend an hour in bed reading in the wee hours, or on your commute, or in a quiet corner on a Sunday afternoon. It's you who I want to reach, and it's you who makes my work whole. Writing is a solitary act, and I believe that we write first to bridge to ourselves SO THAT we can bridge to our collective human community. I deeply love that something I write in a small room in Montana can cross oceans, mountains, transcend social groups, age, religion, difference. Heart language is heart language. And I have learned in my thirty years of living the contemplative life that writing is one thing if it is anything: truth. We writers disrupt. We question. We examine. We wonder. And most of all, we hold up the mirror to truth.https://lauramunson.com/haven-writing-programs/Helping Authors:Find Their Voice, Find Their Narrative​, Find Their MotionThe Book: The Wild Why - Stories and Teachings to Uncover Your WonderFor fans of Brené Brown's Daring Greatly, Glennon Doyle's Untamed, and Elizabeth Gilbert's Big Magic, this illuminating self-help tool is the perfect book for anyone who yearns to rekindle their own voice.What is wonder?Wonder is curiosity and awe put together. We are born with our wonder intact. Why? What? How? Wow! Look at that rainbow! What makes a rainbow? Wonder is what we need to survive and thrive, not just as individuals but also as a civilization. It's what's lauded and honored by our society in young children. Until it isn't.The Wild Why calls for an illuminating end to this endemic crisis of self, and a return to what we know at birth and need to reclaim. This is a book of teaching, and teaching-spirited stories, all centered on how to find our true self-expression and the wonder that spawns it.https://lauramunson.com/Support the show___https://livingthenextchapter.com/podcast produced by: https://truemediasolutions.ca/Coffee Refills are always appreciated, refill Dave's cup here, and thanks!https://buymeacoffee.com/truemediaca

In this special episode, my friend—and fan-favorite guest—Dr. Peter Attia takes the mic as guest host. Peter sits down with legendary trader John Arnold, widely considered the greatest energy trader of all time. Today, through his foundation Arnold Ventures, John applies the same rigorous thinking to some of America's toughest social challenges—criminal justice reform, healthcare policy, and K–12 education, to name just a few. This interview originally aired on Peter's excellent podcast The Drive. You can check it out at PeterAttiaMD.com, or subscribe to The Drive wherever you get your podcasts.This episode is brought to you by:Vanta trusted compliance and security platform: https://vanta.com/tim ($1000 off)Eight Sleep Pod Cover 5 sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: EightSleep.com/Tim (use code TIM to get $350 off your very own Pod 5 Ultra.)Wealthfront high-yield cash account: https://Wealthfront.com/Tim (Start earning 4.00% APY on your short-term cash until you're ready to invest. And when new clients open an account today, you can get an extra fifty-dollar bonus with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more.) Terms apply. Tim Ferriss receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage, LLC for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of Wealthfront Brokerage. See full disclosures here.Timestamps:[00:00:00] Start.[00:05:37] Peter Attia's intro: who is John Arnold?[00:08:38] John's background, upbringing, and early entrepreneurial tendencies.[00:21:16] John's time and rise at Enron.[00:33:40] Characteristics that made John an exceptional natural gas trader and how they translate to his philanthropic work.[00:41:10] The collapse of Enron.[00:46:46] The success of John's hedge fund, and his early interest in philanthropy.[01:02:03] The infamous 2006 trade that brought down Amaranth Advisors.[01:08:28] John's analytical prowess and emphasis on fundamentals.[01:15:13] The decision to become a full-time philanthropist and the founding of Arnold Ventures.[01:25:03] Education — John's quest to fundamentally change K-12 education.[01:30:36] Strategic philanthropy — preventing problems by attacking root causes and creating structural change.[01:37:50] The criminal justice system — structural changes needed to address mass incarceration, policing practices, and recidivism.[01:55:07] Re-imagining prisons to reduce recidivism.[02:02:27] US health care policy — John's focus on drug prices, and the severe consequences of not making system changes.[02:20:00] Climate change — the bipartisan role of John's foundation.[02:23:52] Advice for young adults interested in philanthropy.[02:30:52] Parting thoughts.*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey friend, Im so glad youre here! In case youre new to my little corner of the world, my name is Arlina and Ill be your host. If youre not new here, then you already know I love exploring tools and practices that support sobriety, spiritual growth, and mental health - all in an effort to help me change my behavior and ultimately feel better. The tool were talking about today is called Two Way Prayer and Father Bill W will be teaching us what it is, how it can benefit you and how to do it. You may have heard about this before through Elizabeth Gilbert who has a substack called Letters from Love but if you havent, I have come to understand this practice as a way of talking to, and getting answers from universal intelligence. Some people call that intelligence love, or god or source energy or higher self. What its called is not as important as what the practice delivers in terms of guidance and inspiration. So ever since my conversation with todays guest, Father Bill, I have been practicing 2 way prayer and the guidance Ive received has been quite profound. To be transparent, Ive been feeling pretty lost and super burned out. Ive been pushing myself way too hard for way too long. Thats a whole other story, but my request in the 2 way prayer journaling was along the lines of What would you have me do with my work? To my surprise, I got an answer! The answer was to allow myself to have a Self-Care Summer. To allow myself to rest, reset, and recharge. So thats what Ive been doing! Im doing a lot of yoga, weights, journaling, meditating, exchanging gratitude lists, consuming content around self-worth, money, business development, and generally allowing myself to be present for my life. All this to say, the tool of 2 way prayer is something I will continue to incorporate into weekly self-care practices and I have Father Bill to thank for it. I think youll get a lot out of this conversation and if you try the practice, I would love to hear about your experiences! So without further delay, please enjoy this episode with Father Bill. =J

Charlie Houpert is the co-founder of Charisma on Command, a company that helps people develop confidence, charisma, and strong social skills. Originally launched as a 4-Hour Workweek-inspired “muse,” it has since grown into one of the largest platforms for social skills and confidence training, with more than 10 million YouTube subscribers worldwide and more than a billion views across its channels in six languages. His flagship course, Charisma University, has guided more than 30,000 members through practical steps to become more magnetic.This episode is brought to you by: Patagonia's call-to-action to protect America's public lands. Go to Patagonia.com/Tim to learn more and act now. Monarch Money track, budget, plan, and do more with your money: MonarchMoney.com/Tim (50% off your first year at monarchmoney.com with code TIM)LinkedIn Jobs recruitment platform with 1B+ users: https://linkedin.com/tim (post your job for free)*Timestamps: [00:00:00] Start.[00:06:44] Charlie meets the boogeyman (me).[00:10:11] Why defaulting to management consulting after college felt like daily self-betrayal.[00:13:21] Leaping into parkour training via DVD as a first business attempt.[00:15:45] Moonlighting vs. burning-ships entrepreneurship.[00:16:54] Negotiating remote work with a 90% raise.[00:21:22] Charlie moves to New York and kicks off KickAss Academy.[00:22:16] Airbnb survival tactics while living in a 396 sq. ft. apartment.[00:23:26] Using the fear-setting exercise and other disaster-mitigation strategies.[00:26:11] Charlie's first blog post and crossing the publishing Rubicon.[00:28:26] How Charlie's first in-person class prompted an accidental business model.[00:34:21] 10 go-getters make an ambitious move to Brazil.[00:32:14] The daily growth whiteboard system.[00:37:58] How a harsh Tucker Max consultation galvanized the rebranding to Charisma on Command.[00:44:39] From financial downturn to pre-selling a course for $12,500.[00:50:44] Finally making enough money to chase summer in six-to-eight-month increments.[00:52:00] Enjoying the sustainable benefits of creating timeless content.[00:54:05] How Bill Clinton seduced 7,000 people into following Charlie on YouTube.[00:55:46] How Greg McKeown's Essentialism helped solve Charlie's “Herbie” problem.[00:58:26] Evolving funnel flow and fame-jacking.[01:03:46] YouTube algorithm changes, short-form content, and maintaining audience trust for the long term.[01:10:58] Why I still create this podcast.[01:19:30] The dangers of succumbing entirely to audience expectation over authenticity.[01:21:42] The catalysts that led to time off, an ayahuasca retreat, and a seven-year transformation process.[01:30:26] Making the transition from 50/50 partner to sole owner.[01:35:16] Recommended reading: Six Pillars of Self-Esteem by Nathaniel Branden[01:37:32] The influence of The Last Psychiatrist blog.[01:41:46] Jay Abraham coaching: “Make it good enough for Tim Ferriss.”[01:43:52] How testimonials added a 4x conversion lift.[01:44:31] Coming to an agreement with the co-founder.[01:47:20] Joe Hudson and the Art of Accomplishment.[01:51:57] Why I stand by The 4-Hour Workweek without further revision, warts and all.[01:55:06] Exercising gratitude even when receiving praise is difficult.[01:59:15] Relationship with earlier work: video vs. writing.[02:02:05] Don't miss “Filling the Void.”[02:03:56] More recommended reading.[02:06:43] Improv & Dragons.[02:08:06] Charlie's billboard: “Don't think, feel.”[02:08:57] Parting thoughts.*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

An episode that didn't just think outside the box—it questioned why there's a box in the first place!In Episode 143 of The Autistic Culture Podcast, Dr Angela Kingdon continues our journey through the 10 Pillars of Autistic Culture as we move onto Pillar 6 — Game Changing Innovation. Autistic innovation isn't about trends or flash. It's about paradigm shifts. It's about seeing what no one else is looking for, hyperfocusing on what matters, and rebuilding the world, system by system.Dr Angela looks deep into the game-changing transformations developed by Autistic game changers, such as Sir Isaac Newton, who invented Calculus, Sir Richard Branson's out-of-the-box business models, and Angela's father's innovations in creating build-your-own Hot Rod kit cars.Here's what defines this core Autistic trait:* Autistic people challenge assumptions, not to be difficult, but because we can see the assumptions in the first place.* Neurodivergent people innovate through sensory truth, emotional intensity, and process precision.* Autistic people don't disrupt the status quo to seek attention. We disrupt because the system doesn't make sense, and we can't unsee that.* Game changers in autistic culture often challenge capitalist efficiency with a call for meaning, integrity, and alignment.* Many autistic innovators aren't seen as leaders until the world catches up to their vision.* Historical and modern change agents in autistic culture often operate without blueprints, forging their own.Key Concepts:* Game-changing is not about chasing disruption for its own sake. It's about building entirely new paradigms based on noticing what others overlook.* Autistic game changers are pattern-breakers and system rewriters — not trend-followers.* Our deep focus and drive for autonomy let us find wholly new approaches to enduring problems.* Emotional intensity and sensory insights fuel world-building innovation.* It's often misunderstood or resisted because the new paradigm doesn't fit existing frameworks.

Welcome back to 'Don't Cut Your Own Bangs!'    In this lively and heartfelt episode, Danielle Ireland chats with Ashlyn Thompson from the Parent Empowerment Network. Ashlyn shares her journey from growing her nonprofit organization to the emotional rollercoaster of her daughter's complex medical journey.    Get ready to explore how pain can be an unexpected teacher, the magic of community support, and why tapping into creativity can be your secret weapon against anxiety. Filled with laughs, valuable insights, and touching moments, this episode is a treasure trove of wisdom and joy. Tune in and enjoy the ride!   00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview 00:20 Ashlyn Thompson's Journey and Nonprofit Growth 01:10 The Importance of Community and Support 01:37 Embracing Big Feelings and Finding Joy 02:52 Welcoming Ashlyn Back and Discussing Growth 05:44 Navigating Pain and Empowerment 09:51 The Power of Perspective and Decision Making 14:27 Balancing Life and Nonprofit Work 21:21 The Role of Pain as a Teacher 30:48 Finding Comfort in Movement and Nature 33:09 Returning to Basics 33:35 Reflecting on Past Decisions 35:20 The Role of Pain and Fear 38:20 Parent Empowerment Network 44:25 Creativity as a Lifeline 49:21 Embracing Emotions 53:07 Don't Cut Your Own Bangs Moment 01:01:20 Conclusion and Resources   Ashlyn Thompson interview links Ashlyn Thompson, a passionate advocate and storyteller, is co-founder of the Parent Empowerment Network, a nonprofit providing emotional and mental health support to parents navigating pediatric medical complexities. She also co-hosts theEmpowered by Hope podcast, which equips parents with practical tools, resources, and a strong sense of community—delivered with a heavy dose of humor and hope to empower them as their child's best advocate. Ashlyn's fire for advocacy was ignited by her daughter Emery, who was born with bladder exstrophy. After Emery nearly died following a major surgery at just seven weeks old, Ashlyn became a fierce voice for patient safety. Unwilling to accept the limitations of domestic medical care, she discovered a surgical option in the U.K. that wasn't available in the U.S. at the time. In early 2023, Emery became the first American to undergo this procedure—and thanks to Ashlyn's relentless advocacy, that surgery is now available in America. When she's not advocating or recording podcasts, Ashlyn moonlights as a budding driveway chalk artist, chaos coordinator for her spirited family, and an avid nature lover. Chocolate is her daily vitamin, ADHD is her superpower, spiders and small talk are her sworn enemies, and she firmly believes laughter and boldness are two of a parent's greatest tools.   Parent Empowerment Network:  The Parent Empowerment Network exists to support, encourage, and educate parents of children with medical complexities—empowering them with community, knowledge, and confidence to be their child's fiercest advocate. www.ParentEmpowermentNetwork.org Empowered by Hope podcast on all major podcast streaming platforms: https://parentempowermentnetwork.org/podcast/   Social Media:  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/Parent-Empowerment-Network/100083218456295/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/parentempowermentnetwork/   She is Charlotte book by co-founder, Emily Whiting:https://parentempowermentnetwork.org/she-is-charlotte-book/ DANIELLE IRELAND, LCSW I greatly appreciate your support and engagement as part of the Don't Cut Your Own Bangs community. Feel free to reach out with questions, comments, or anything you'd like to share. You can connect with me at any of the links below.   Website: https://danielleireland.com/   The Treasured Journal: https://danielleireland.com/journal   Substack: https://danielleireland.substack.com/   Blog: https://danielleireland.com/blog/   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielleireland_lcsw   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danielleireland.LCSW   Podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@danielleireland8218/featured “Don't Cut Your Own Bangs” is about creating a community around, and familiarity with, the messy middle—that uncertain and often chaotic and uncomfortable time in the middle of a process or journey. The messy middle is replete with ambiguity and challenges, but it's also where the hard and rewarding work happens.   Transcript [00:00:00] Danielle: Hello. Hello, this is Danielle Ireland and you are watching or listening to Don't Cut Your Own Bangs. I am so excited to be back in the interview seat. We've done some solo cast. It's been a blast. But Ashlyn Thompson is here with me today, and we just wrapped an incredible conversation. Ashlyn came on as a guest to talk about her work with Charlotte's Hope Foundation a couple of years ago. [00:00:26] She was about ready to embark right in the interview we were, she was. Days away from embarking on a trip to the UK for her daughter having a surgery with the only surgeon in the world who performed the specific type of surgery that her daughter needed. Her daughter's made a full recovery. It's a beautiful story we're gonna get into in this episode, but what I'm truly, if you could imagine even beyond that beautiful story, what I'm so excited to introduce to you and to that I was so grateful to witness and learn from. [00:00:53] Is that Ashlyn has grown her nonprofit organization, not no money in organization, but yes, a nonprofit organization that at the time, two years ago when we last checked in with her, was called Charlotte's Hope Foundation. It has grown. It's expanded, and it's evolved, and it's now the Parent Empowerment Network. [00:01:10] She and her co-founder also have a podcast for that same work, and what I love about the work that they do. They create community connection space and resources for parents and families raising children or any provider helping a child navigate medical complexities. And that sounds like such a hard and heavy and challenging topic. [00:01:33] And it is. But what Ashlyn embodies is. The work that I really wanted to bring to this season and this new phase of don't cut your own bangs, which I want big feelings to feel less scary. I want approaching them to feel possible. And then with that in mind, wherever possible, as much as possible, finding lightness, levity, and joy. [00:01:54] However we can do it. And I'm telling you, in this episode we did that. We accomplished that. We talk about important things, we talk about heavy things, and Ashland is vulnerable in a way that is inviting. But also something we can all learn from. And through the specificity of her life experience and what she's learned, there are universal nuggets that we can all find value in. [00:02:17] I know I did, and this was such a beautiful place to share, and we laughed. We had joy, we smiled . I hope that this topic invites you and encourages you to lean in and tune in because there are so many great nuggets of this. Thank you for being here, and I can't wait for you to sit back, relax, and enjoy. [00:02:38] Ashlyn Thompson [00:02:39] Hi. Yes, I know. Big jumps for both of us. I know. I feel like we're, it does feel like a lifetime ago. It I mean, in many ways it is. It's like we're, I mean, I'm still, me and all the key players are still playing. Right. But it does feel like a different life in a way. And I, with that in mind, I just wanna officially welcome you back. [00:02:55] Yes. Welcome. Ashlyn Thompson. Oh, thank. Don't cut your own bangs. I am so excited that you're here for many reasons, but the thing I'm most excited about is I think that. Building something or starting something creates a certain amount of effort and energy. Sustaining something, growing with it, breathing new life into it, that's a different part of a different element of a creative process. [00:03:17] And that's something I think specifically I'm really excited to talk to you about because you're parent Empowerment Network, which has it, it exists to support, encourage and educate parents and caregivers of children with medical complexities. And that was, it already was in existence when we, right, when we recorded the first time. [00:03:34] But it has grown. Grown. I went to a gala, people, she's throwing a gala fundraiser for her for her network. And so, I mean, I wanna hear about all the twists and all the developments of that, but more specifically the context I wanna provide for us and for this conversation. The thing that I'm really excited about, , and why I feel really passionate about bringing this to video. [00:03:57] Is that I want to help make big feelings feel less scary. Yeah. And I want to make, approaching them feel possible. And then with that in mind as much and as often as possible, laugh as much as possible. Amen. And so, right? So like, you are swimming in the trenches with people and even in your own life with people who are holding and making space for heavy things. [00:04:23] Yes. And yet there is a bright smile on your face. There's a twinkle in your eye. You laugh and you smile. And I wanna, and I don't know how to articulate what that is, but I want to, I wanna, that's something I wanna make space for in this conversation too. So it's important and it's big and it's emotional for sure, but also like, let's allow levity too. [00:04:42] Absolutely. I am so excited to be continuing our conversation, and I'm also really happy to know that. The person who's sitting here with you today is very much a different person from two years ago. And I feel like I have gone through multiple versions of myself just in the past two years. And that's one of the things that I truly celebrate about, not just the journey of parent empowerment network, but I think just growing and evolving as a human spirit, experiencing this life is recognizing that I say this phrase to only certain people, but I act, I feel compelled to share it now. [00:05:26] I feel like I have died a thousand times. And greeted so many versions of myself. But every time I rise into that extroversion and realize who I am, I like that person more and more. And. I feel like one of my greatest accomplishments just this past year has been truly settling into a, knowing a deep belief that life is meant to grow through, not go through. [00:05:58] And that change, that pivot of how I see the next big thing that comes up has been such a grounding force for me and has really helped me feel like I'm actually sitting in the driver's seat of my car. I don't know what I'm going to pass as I'm on this highway. In life. And sometimes life yanks me off on an exit I didn't plan. [00:06:23] And those exit ramps are typically the next lesson. But I'm grateful to be at a point where I can now see the next really hard thing emerging and not wanna hit reverse. Wow. Wow. Not that I like it all the time. No, God. But I can appreciate that this isn't out to crush me. This isn't here to take me down like I used to feel. [00:06:53] , Wow. There's a lot to unpack there for. Thank you so much for sharing that, but also not going in reverse. I wanna make a mental note, not going in reverse. The next version of me, I like better, and this is not here to crush me. Right. The, there's something, I got chills. I got full body chills when you, the la with the last thing that you said, because when I'm working with clients, there is this element and this is something. [00:07:18] I promise I'll come back to that original point there. There's an element of the work that I do where, and I'm sure you get this in your own way too, with like hearing stories from families who are holding really hard and heavy things. I think when I meet people for the first time, a common response is, wow, I don't know how you do what you do, or I don't know how you listen to that all day. [00:07:36] Or Oh man, and I think, yes, sure. There, there are certainly days and clients or moments where those stories are making space for people's big, heavy, painful experiences. Right. Is can be a lot at times. Far less anymore. But I think more than anything the va like, I feel so lucky to have the experience a hundred maybe even thousands of times over hurt people's pain. [00:08:03] And I know what pain sounds like. Yes. And there are different types and one thing that I absolutely believe to be true is that our pain is not personal. Our story is personal, right? But pain is not personal. And the events of our life, even things that happen to us, it's, there's it's almost shifting out of a, and I hope I can say this within the context that, that is heard with love. [00:08:27] But shifting out of a victim mentality right into it. Because being victimized or being stricken with grief or holding something hard like that is absolutely real. And also knowing that this is happening to me, but this is not gosh, what are the words I'm trying to find. It, what I'm hearing is you recognize how hard this is. [00:08:51] Whatever that insert blank. I recognize how hard this is, and I'm not going to make this pain so precious that I don't also see it as temporary. Yes, exactly. But there's something, so I think there's something really powerful and there's so much nuance to that because I certainly don't want to, people can be victimized, but the victim mentality is one of, in my professional experience it's one of the more challenging headspace to, for someone to walk out of. [00:09:21] Agree. It's really hard. Exactly. It shrinks your world. So, so much. That's well said. And we experience that very often. We really fo I mean we say all the time, you know, we are non diagnosis specific, non prognosis specific with the families that we work with, and we focus on the parents or the parent role, which could be performed by a sibling, a grandparent, a friend, an adopt, a lot of different people, but. [00:09:51] What we really found early in our journey and what helped us evolve into parent empowerment network was that recognition that, like you pointed out, pain is not it's not customized to your experience. The feeling, the emotional and physical experience relationship with pain is common through all of us, and it actually is a way that we can connect with each other when we recognize that. [00:10:18] When we stop comparing one another's pains. Now, don't get me wrong, if your kid got a bump on the head versus your kid needs a, you know, brain surgery. Right. Those are different. Yes. Very different. Yes. But most of the time we're not dealing with that. And what we have found is that when somebody is in that victim mentality, which is understandable, I think that's a, very important aspect to acknowledge when you're feeling like a victim, why is this happening to me? Or why is this happening to my child? Because I'll be the first to say, it's never okay when your child is hurting or sick or in harm's way or worse. I will never be okay with it. But when we say stuck in a victim mentality, our ability to problem solve goes from about here to here. [00:11:08] Yeah. And then your child is really the one who suffers. And I hate, it's a hard truth. But we have to face that truth because when we can help a parent start to find glimmers of hope, start to see that there's a way to build on quality of life rather than cure. Then you start to see this new version emerge where they are truly, you know, empowered advocates for their child. [00:11:45] There's something that I heard in what you said too, that a lot of times when I'm working with clients who are maybe knee deep in anxiety or depression, for example. I think why can be a powerful question, but I think a misplaced why is a really exactly damaging question. Like, why me? Why them? [00:12:02] Why this, why now? Because those are questions you can't answer that only lead to a defeating answer. Exactly. And usually another question or shame, but what I'm hearing a lot in when you. When you can kind of broaden your focus and sort of release that constriction from why you then can open yourself up to a different type of question. [00:12:23] How can I, exactly. How can I get through today? How can I get through this moment? What is needed most of me now? What do I need now? Right. And those types of the what and the how. Who do I need to show up for? Is it me? Right. Is it them? Who do I need to ask for help? Who has information that I need? [00:12:43] Those types of questions don't eliminate the pain, but it broadens the scope Yes. Of, of your field of vision. And I know that though, like, 'cause you are here in many ways. Oh, I hope it's okay to use this term. But I hope that you're here as an expert and you're also the executive Hope director of of the power impairment network. [00:13:05] And I think a lot of times. What we would imagine as the worst possible case scenario. Like the worst thing we could imagine would be something happening to our kids. This has been your lived experience. This has been your business partner's lived experience. And for, even though you have a podcast as well, where you really create a space and content and a community that helps people with that very specific set of circumstances, that Right. [00:13:33] I would imagine it's like. The best and worst club to be a part of. So we always say, we're so sorry you're in this club. Yes. But we're so glad you found us. Yes. Like it's the yes, we're really sorry, but at the same time, like, welcome home, welcome. And so I think a lot of the, a lot of the people who tune in to don't cut your own bang, I don't know how many would have this specific life experience. [00:13:57] Right. And if you do, oh my gosh, what a gorgeous resource you have in Ashlyn. Oh, thank you. And the Parent empowerment network and their podcast. But I do think that even in something like this, in within the specificity of everything you're saying, there is such a broad truth that I think we can all access and find value in. [00:14:16] And, yeah. So just thank you for all of that. And I want to, okay. I wanna shift a little bit to the growth of the parent Empowerment network. Right. Because, so when I originally started this podcast, what I was, what I really motivated me, one was I was terrified of becoming a therapist and having worked as a creative, and I just wanted to surround myself with other people who, who were building things, right? So that I could sort of sneak in my own needy questions. Like, how did you do it? How did you figure it out? What happened when you were scared? Like, what happened when your computer crashed? Oh my gosh. And you went from newly building something to, you have really grown. [00:14:53] Yes. You have really grown. And I wanna know having experienced the, you know, the gala that Right. That you that you threw that was so lovely. I wanna know . What led to the growth over the last two years? Because you're still momming, you're still life. Yeah. Your daughter is still being you. [00:15:08] I mean, like your life is still life and Yes. Life is still lifeing. How, in the midst of your lifeing, how have you also continued to grow this? And I really wanna know like what fueled your fire. And just tell me more about that story please. Yes, absolutely. So at the beginning of this, you know, when we started talking, you were very talking about how I'm sitting here smiling and I mean, I am fully, I am genuinely full of joy in this moment. [00:15:35] And I think I know actually that comes from being in something like we have with Parent Empowerment Network, which has been truly its own huge like business, right? We are called a nonprofit, but let me tell you, I mean, it is straight up business. [00:15:57] Is what it is in a lot of ways, and. That's the worst possible name for a tax category. It totally is. Because it's so confusing. Nonprofit doesn't mean no money. Right. Exactly. It's so confusing. We do not exist for free. Is great an idea as that sounds. I want that to be the slogan for every nonprofit. [00:16:16] I just, 'cause we don't exist for free. Right. You know the whole, you get what you pay for. It's, yeah. That's a whole other conversation. We're not gonna spend too much time there today. We should have a part two then. There we go. I'm okay with that. All right. So for that, what I think the biggest lesson that has. [00:16:33] Emerged from this journey just since we were, you know, you and I were talking a couple years ago when we were actually still called Charlotte's Hope Foundation. Yes. Which was our initial name. Yes. Because we had an idea for something that was this big at the beginning. And the name Charlotte's Hope Foundation fit that in theory. [00:16:52] But the thing I'm most proud of my, of Emily Whiting, who's my co-founder, fellow mom, fellow sister, fellow savior, at times the best thing we have done is allowed ourselves permission to grow and shrink as needed. And that's what we've done throughout this journey. It has not been a step process. [00:17:15] There have been countless times where we have grown two or three steps, been bigger, you know, working with international teams of surgeons, pulling together collaborations that have never been done, and then. There have been times where we have pulled back and we haven't released an episode for six weeks. [00:17:33] We have had maybe two or three social posts because our lives were on fire or just demanded all our attention, but it didn't mean we had to stop. I need to, oh my gosh. I don't know how many of you listening or watching can relate to that. I, there is a relationship I have with the expansion and contraction of output where if I'm not putting something out, producing something, making something that it really does a number on my sense of self worth. Right. And self esteem. And that is something that I'm still actively healing and repairing, because I definitely know the facts. I know. The really bumper stickery, self helpy sounding talk. [00:18:26] And I believe it. It's not that I, I don't hear it and think like, yeah. Right. It's just that there's a more practiced version of me, right. That has just had more at bats operating in a certain way. And then life in many ways rewards you for that. In theory. In theory. And I don't mean the like the laurels, like you get the the kudos pat on the back accolades but there is a cost, right? [00:18:47] There is a cost. And I think, in the I this past year I wrote a children's book called Wrestling a Walrus. And this the act of writing this book was something that I didn't realize that in the contraction, or even like in the I love the visual of the caterpillar becoming the butterfly. [00:19:09] 'Cause there's a two week process where the caterpillar is literally, we talk about the messy middle in this podcast and think, thank you Brene Brown, wherever you are for creating language and context for us for this very conversation. 'cause so much of this is inspired by that, but that gooey, mushy middle where it's not a butterfly, it's literally goo and it's Exactly, and it, and, but in that place, there is magic happening there. [00:19:33] Even if it, even though it looks like a pile of shit, right. Like, it's, there's magic happening there. I'll say the impetus or the inspiration, the. It was tough moments with my daughter, moments where I didn't feel like I was doing anything. Right. It like hitting the wrecking ball of, you know, being a parent of a toddler and a parent of an infant like that was, there's not enough grace in any space to help you go through that without serious, you know, support. [00:20:02] There were, I had some victim mentality at that point in time, even, and all things can be true at once. But all of that was what I experienced before I had the idea to write the book. And had I not had that experience, I wouldn't have been able to do that. Exactly. I don't think it would've been the same. [00:20:16] And [00:20:16] , and I promise this whole podcast isn't an ad for the book, but like, I really believe in this damn book and I love it so much. And I love that you talk about that expansion and contraction for yourself. And that you doesn't, it doesn't mean you have to stop. 'cause I think a big reason why I maybe avoided picking up the torch again and doing this podcast like I left it for so long, or I abandoned it for so long, or can I still do it right? [00:20:41] Like all of that stuff. And then yeah it. Yeah. Doubt doesn't mean you're done. No. And taking a pause doesn't mean you're stopping forever. But yeah. I mean, you can't just exhale forever. You can't just output like you eventually have to breathe in. Exactly. And that relationship is very necessary. [00:21:00] And so, I mean, everything you're saying is exactly what I need. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. And it, that lesson doesn't come easily. Nope. But I think another element of that, you know, building off of what you were just talking about, pain and discomfort and naturally shying away from it. [00:21:21] I challenge anybody in life to just take a moment to consider pain as a potential teacher, as a professor, rather than pain as an enemy, or pain as a destroyer. Right. If you ask yourself. Why does this feel painful? Because how many times do we all experience in our life something that really gets under our skin, but whether it's a spouse or it's a friend or a coworker and they seem totally unfazed by it, [00:21:56] and that used to be something that bothered me. I was kinda like what's, am I ever sensitive? Or like, what is my thing? And I grew up always hearing, not necessarily even from my parents, but I feel like. Teacher schools and saved by the bell commercials about find what you love in life and you'll never work a day in your life. [00:22:16] And that was great in theory, but I'm a very eclectic person. Yep. I love a lot. And all I was getting was a lot of burnout. That's also like saying like, love your kids and you'll never have a hard day with them in your life. You're like, no bs. No. I love my kids. But like, you know, oh my gosh, kids are the greatest, hardest thing of life. [00:22:33] Right. Right. But I think the same is true. Like , I never stopped loving this. Right. But I don't always have control over the life around. Right. But it's a, I think allowing things to be a part of you, not all of you, is really important. Yeah. And I think it's so easy to define ourselves by that output. [00:22:53] For me and Emily, the word is often it's impact. Are we actually making an impact? And the thing that helped us. Become okay with hitting the pause button when we needed to, and not officially throwing in the towel. Don't get me wrong, there were conversations about it, but we were always very honest with each other and we held each other accountable that if you are feeling like this is not jiving with your life, if it's not jiving with you personally, or it's not good for your family at this moment, let's hit the pause button and talk about it. [00:23:26] But realizing that if we only help each other while working on this, Emily and I, that's helping our kids, that's helping our families. And there's a domino effect from that goes from that. And if that's all we ever do, what's bad about that? You said something that I, it still stuck with me and it will probably be the title of this episode. [00:23:49] Pain is a Professor. Yes, it is. And I wanna go back to that because something that I talk about in my sessions a lot is that your emotions never lie to you. Now your thoughts are very different. Yes. Your thoughts can go a, now granted, we need to think critical thinking is important. [00:24:04] We probably need more critical thinking, but thoughts happen to us all day, every day, constantly. Right. I don't remember what the statistic is. I think we have roughly like eight thoughts a minute, something like that. I'm surprised it's not . Maybe that's just a DH adhd. And that could be too, like, yeah, there, maybe there's a spectrum. [00:24:18] Maybe it's eight to 80 thoughts a minute. Give or take. Give or take a hundred. But so thoughts happen to us now. We can certainly consciously choose what to focus on and what we think. But thinking happens, the emotions are in response to what we're thinking and believing. Exactly. And they never lie. [00:24:35] Right. And I But something you said like pain as a professor. And I like the thought that emotions are energy in motion. Yes. And they always have something for you to learn. There's something for every emotion. There is something it wants you to know. Right. And when you're not feeling good are we have more pain receptors in our body, unfortunately. [00:24:55] We have more pain receptors in our body than we do pleasure receptors. Like, and so when pain is activated, it just has a firmer grip. There's something that Martha Beck talks about that I love. It's called the, I think she calls it the Viper in the box of puppies. So if you were to imagine like, and enough said, right. [00:25:10] Done. You get it. But you hand, if I handed you a box full of like 15 adorable, gorgeous little puppies, I mean, it's, they're the most abundant, silly, loving, fuzzy source of love, safety, pleasure. I could really go for that right now. I mean, would it, that should be a, I'm hoping there's one hiding around somewhere. [00:25:28] We have a surprise for you, but if I were to then put a Viper in or a cobra in your box of puppies. All you're gonna see is the threat. Exactly. All you're gonna see is the threat. And I think in life, it's like we pop mo most of us more often than not, are probably living in lives with a lot of puppies. [00:25:48] But the viper, the threat is what consumes Oh yeah. So much energy and attention and shifting your focus from one to the other is easier said than done. And I wanna talk to you specifically about how you have found meaning or, and I, when I say success, I don't mean it in like a bullet point sense, but right. [00:26:12] Where you have found access to, you know, the viper, you know, or the cobra, you know, the box of puppies. Right. How you access that. I can certainly share how I have, but my emotions, I. I've learned in time. I don't always know exactly what they're telling me in the beginning, but I trust them enough to know that it's something. [00:26:36] And so the first place I try to access, if I'm not dissociating or avoiding, is to sit with it. Yeah. So usually it's like, I'm I'll just dissociate in my fantasy book or rewatching parks and recreation for the MPH teeth bajillion time. You know, it's just always a Sure bet. Yeah. It's just, it's hard for, life can only be so hard with Leslie Nope and little Sebastian, you know? [00:26:57] So anyway. But I wanna know where you find yourself in that shift. Yeah. Yeah. So you've got my head's like turning, I'm also still picturing puppies to be honest. That's okay. So I actually, I feel like I wanna give an example of something that I experienced last year, so two years ago. [00:27:11] It's crazy to think two years ago I went on this crazy journey to England. I went to London to take my daughter, who was not quite two years old yet to have a surgery over there for her ultra rare condition that was not available in the States. And I had talked to everybody in the States, of course, that had any knowledge about it and all they could tell me was, we don't really know anything about it. [00:27:35] We don't do it here. Kind of you're on your own, go for it. Or don't, we can't say that we would support you. All that matters is I went for it. And fortunately it did end up being the right decision, but I also knew that it could not be the right decision. And what I found on that experience was that I was originally desperate for picking the right way in life to move forward, that I could not make a decision. [00:28:06] I could not possibly move forward unless I was a hundred percent sure. But guess what? Life isn't real big on giving you a guarantee. Yeah. Guarantees with anything. And I think where I, that's where I started to learn that I don't have to have the answers to move forward. I can be looking at that box and I can see, oh my gosh, this could go terribly wrong. [00:28:34] But I think living with a hopeful mindset is something that allows me to keep my eye on that viper and then still interact with the puppies over here. My eye is still trained on it, but what I found is a peace in making my decision. And it was a, that feeling, that gut feeling. You know, it, I, it doesn't matter what you've gone through in life. [00:28:58] I can't believe that there's anybody out there who hasn't just had that. I call it just that knowing in your gut, it's a physical experience and that is something. That has helped me move forward in life. Because here's the thing, guys, nobody can ever stay truly still. And that's where a lot of our pain and discomfort comes from, is fighting moving forward without certainty. [00:29:23] Oh, let's pause right there. Oh my gosh. So there's something that Dr. Becky Kennedy who she has the good, she wrote the book Good Inside, and she's got her own beautiful podcast and work and content. She does. She really she focuses on kids, but she's really working on parents relationship with their inner child and by extension their parenting. [00:29:43] But she talks about something called, I've called it the Gap, but she calls it the learning space. So with kids, most of their frustration, tension and meltdowns happen between meeting a moment or. A moment arising and knowing how to meet the moment. And that learning space is usually the gap in knowing or understanding of this is what's arisen and I don't know how to meet this moment. [00:30:04] Right? And then if their context or their ability to meet it, if the moment exceeds their ability that's usually when there's a lot of pain or big feelings. Right. And I think with adults, that's usually where I see self-doubt, rumination anxiety, self-destructive tendencies. [00:30:23] Come in and you're right. You're, I love that you said we're never really still, I mean, one that's just true based on science and physics. We're never still that's actually one of the, like, there's like two necessary components, maybe three to being a living, being or a living entity. [00:30:36] I think, what is it? Movement, cell division, reproduction, and, I don't know, something else. Hey, anyone here pop off in the comments if you're a science boss, please gold star for you. Please. But but yeah, we're never truly still. And so even when you feel stagnant and stuck and even hearing you say that I'm actually processing in real time, one of the things that I have done that I, I discovered by accident, but probably because my body knew better than my mind did. [00:31:04] I would, it often does. I would take my feelings on walks. I would, I talked about that movement is essential if you are literally feeling stuck. I tell, that's what I tell everybody. Anytime they're spiraling. Which it's understandable. Go for a walk. Even if it is five minutes, walk up and down your stairs. [00:31:22] Or at the least one of my favorite things thank you Instagram reels for sucking up so much of my life at times in the hospital, but sometimes, but it's, sometimes it's, it is the perfect escape. It's okay to let the pressure off of ourselves. But there was this one that I saw it was this therapist who was like in her seventies and she was in Ireland and she's walking around in like this, you know, the quintessential Ireland landscape. [00:31:47] And she said, I tell all of my clients when you have a problem or a worry or something that's making you feel like you need to hurry, walk outside where you can see the sky and look up. Because the moment you remove a ceiling from your view, from your your line of sight, your mind opens with it. [00:32:08] And possibilities grow. And I have experienced that so often. And you think about it where you, when you're in a confined space. It only adds to those feelings of I'm stuck or I'm out of options, or I can't deal with this. But when you go outside and the world is just showing you how big it is and how small you are, there's actually a ton of comfort in that. [00:32:35] There's, I've also read and heard that there's something about the way that our eyes sort of gently move and follow and track side to side. Yeah. The movement around us that activates a similar calming sensation that our body experiences in REM sleep. Because if you're tracking a bird or tracking a squirrel, or just simply seeing like the trees and movement, track your kids. [00:32:55] Right. That'll keep you, your eyes all over the place. Girl. But like, 'cause right now we're facing a computer screen and we're in, we're under lights. Like, it's a very I mean, it's a lovely container, but it's a sterile container by comparison of being outside. And I Right. I do think that sometimes, like, like Lifeing. [00:33:11] It can be hard, and I never wanna oversimplify holding the challenges and moving through the challenges. Right. And yet I think sometimes when something feels overly, when something feels complex and impossible, it's almo. I, my instinct is to abandon the basics. And that is always the place to start. [00:33:32] That's always the place to start, is to go back to the basics. [00:33:35] Knowing what you know now what. Do you think the version of you, I wrote down three years ago, but I wanna go back to two years ago bef, like as you were navigating all the travel plans and the decision to go to the UK for your daughter's surgery, what do you think that version of Ashlyn needed to hear or needed to know? [00:33:55] And then the follow up question to that, after you answers, do you think she would've believed you? [00:33:59] It's really funny that you're asking this question because I actually had a conversation yesterday with a neighbor's daughter who is a film student, and this question has actually been going through my mind a lot lately about, I wonder where my life would be if I'd known this in my early thirties, if I'd known, or if I had known this in my twenties. [00:34:23] And I kept kind of going backwards like, I didn't know this then. Oh maybe if I'd known this. And I kept just, like I said, looking back and then what I realized is. It's so important that I didn't know those things because I had to experience them with the challenges. I had to climb the mountains for the first time to really understand the importance of gaining those skills for myself. So I actually think that Ashlyn, a couple years ago, I may have wanted to hear, I, what I wanted to hear was, you're making the right decision. I wanted to be validated by doctors, by people who I typically refer to as the ones who have the alphabet after their name. [00:35:06] Can somebody please just tell me, check, you know, you're making the right choice. Or this is what I would do if it were my child. And I wanted it so desperately that I, it did almost prevent me from going. But I am blessed that because of other experiences before that, right where pain had started to evolve into a guide for my life, a way of understanding what is most important to me. [00:35:37] It clarifies a lot. Exactly. Because often, you know, pain and fear are often about things we can't control, right? And what it showed me was that I don't need guaranteed outcomes to be able to sleep at night. I know that if I don't give it everything, including the kitchen sink, I won't be able to sleep at night. [00:36:03] I won't be able to look at Emery when she's an adult and tell her. We tried absolutely everything we could to give you the best quality of life, and that's what I needed to be able to give her. In order for me to feel good about the mom I am. And that's what was most important to me at that time. [00:36:23] So it sounds like maybe you trust in your ability to meet the moment enough that you don't think you would've gone back and told yourself anything? No, I think, and that's something that, like I said, I'd been thinking about a lot, like how many times if I'd only known this, if I if I'd only held my boundaries or if, or you know, these standards or, you know, all the things I could have done differently. [00:36:48] But as I said at the beginning of this, I feel like I have lived a thousand lives and become. A thousand new versions of myself, but you don't become your next self without going through something that carves away at you to reveal it. We don't grow through the easy no we stay stagnant. And besides small talk, my biggest fear in life is staying stagnant. [00:37:20] God, can we just let go of small talk? Oh my gosh. We all have a weather app and we all know the traffic patterns at this point. Like, do you know what's so funny about the weather app? I'm gonna use it every day. I treat my husband like the weather app, and we have an Alexa, like in, literally, like, I'll ask him what the temperature is and he'll be like. [00:37:41] Alexa. I just, oh my goodness. It's like those basic the basic like things of moving through life. I don't know why. It's like I've, I have this like faux that's of publicist. I'm like, I don't know what I'm, so what's the weather? I can't look out the window. I can't ask my own Alexa. [00:37:56] I always think, I think it's, I think it's more like, I think it's fair to acknowledge those as high. There's higher priorities that take up front of mind space. That's right. That's right. Things' so focused on the big things. Right? Yes. It's okay. We're not meant to like, you know, and I think that's another, that's one point I feel really compelled to bring up in this conversation based on all these things we've talked about, you know? [00:38:20] Yes. thank you for the chance to share what Parent Empowerment Network does, and the Empowered By Hope podcast is about addressing the real hard, the messy like, because as far as we're concerned, like once you get the news, your child is not okay. You're living in the messy middle from there on out. [00:38:36] And it can make you, or it can break you. And we're there to tell everybody, we promise this will make you. Even with worst case scenario, and that's a bold statement, but, you know, but it's one you've lived and I exactly. And I've seen countless others live, right? But I think it's so important that everybody, you know, I guess my dream would be if everybody could just realize we are not meant to carry pain and hardship and struggle by ourselves. [00:39:07] That's really what Parent Empowerment Network does. That's really what our podcast does, is it directly says to everybody who gets a chance to interact with us or who we have the honor to meet with. It just says, Hey, you are not expected to hold this alone. You know, put some of that on our plate. [00:39:24] Let's hold it together because it'll be better for everybody. It's not just you is like, again, that's what frees you from a victim mentality. You are not the only one who's ever experienced this. Right. You are not the only one who has suffered this way. And in by no means it's not to minimize. [00:39:40] Right. Exactly. It's not belittling it, it's not, it's definitely not dismissing it. But it's meant to serve as a lighthouse. Right. Our stories are unique. Yes, of course. And so that's, and I think that's what is endlessly, I will never be bored having an in-depth. Not small talk with the love of God, but like, I will never I will be endlessly fascinated by other people. [00:40:01] Because the stories are unique. Yeah. But there is a common thread that we can all see ourselves in or relate to. That, it's so enriching. Yeah. It's almost like, maybe because it's spring and, but I'm thinking it's like the pain is like the compost. Yeah. Something has to die in rotten decay in order to nurture something new. To grow. Yep. Exactly. And I, and that pain serves as fur. It's fertilizing the new, the next round of growth. Right. Yeah. It's not making anything vanish or destroying it, it's just, but it has to break down to build back up. I think that's why mosaics are my favorite type of art. [00:40:39] Yeah. I have such a strong connection to any piece that I see that's made up of a mosaic. And I remember that coming true for me when my dad had his massive stroke and. You know, he was completely debilitated, couldn't speak for himself, couldn't move his own body. He lived like that almost two years. But I remember getting really close to a couple key therapists in his life. [00:41:04] And I remember just after he passed, I got them both a small gift. It was these little mosaic art pieces for them. And I said, when I saw those, I knew that this was the right thing because you didn't see my dad as a destroyed person. You saw him as for the broken pieces. He was that to be put back, to be put together into something that was new and beautiful on its own. [00:41:33] And that's what I feel like pain has the ability to do for all of us. It's okay. And I to acknowledge that you are broken. But it's also just as important to acknowledge that you can be remade into something. You, the old you is gone. You know, when we go through something awful hard, unimaginable it's really easy to think that I will feel this way forever. There is a finality that we attach to painful experiences and it takes often somebody from the outside to gently help us realize that's not reality. I often, when I'm in that transition and I'm not aware or I'm just not ready to admit there are either, there's usually it's I there's usually things I wanna carry along with me. [00:42:28] Yep. It's like. Like an old dingy snugly blanket or like a stuffed animal that like has like holes worn in and like an eyes popped off. It's just but I when I've gone through those transitions, it's saying goodbye to maybe friendships that aren't serving me. [00:42:42] Yep. Or titles, roles levels of output expectations, stories, ways of being and the way, and to go back to pain as a professor, which is going to be the title. That it's only when I try to take the old way of being or the old relationship that is no longer serving into my new now reality. [00:43:04] When it feels anything other than good. Yeah. That's information exactly that it's showing me something and. That curiosity over constriction can also for me look like curiosity over criticism. And because that criticism is usually either dialed inward, what's wrong with me? Right. Or what's wrong with them? [00:43:25] Versus , what is happening Exactly. What's going on? What is this showing me? And I would say probably saying goodbye to relationships or friendships has probably been the hardest. Yeah. The hard, because there is this idea that I'm like if I like it, and it's like in a possessive way. [00:43:42] It's, if I like you forever. And I, and of course that is true. I mean, it, there's nobody who's been in my life that's added value that I don't appreciate. Right. But but I think that the shedding. Yeah. It's like I, I want the next thing, but I also don't wanna let the old thing go. [00:43:56] Right. And so it's, I think I've spent a lot of time and energy trying to like, pull that thing with me. Whatever it is and whatever that stage. But I think that there's when you can fully embrace, 'cause what I'm hearing from you is when you can fully embrace I am different now. [00:44:11] Yep. This is different. This mosaic. I'm not, I may not be able to carry water like I was as a vase. Right. But I'm gonna look really great as this. Yeah. And the other thing I wanna shift to before, before I get to your, don't cut your own bangs question. What I wanna ask you, you've mentioned art a couple of different times. [00:44:28] And this is to, to reference Dr. Martha Beck again. She has done a lot of incredible work in the last couple years where a way to. Step out of anxiety is not to try to access calm. 'cause we talked about going for a walk, right? So, because as much as I love these big conversations, it can be sometimes like, what is something tangible I can actually hold onto? [00:44:53] So walking with something we talked about community and connection with something else we talked about, but Art, I wanna talk about that for a moment because that is what my book was for me. Yeah. It was I created something that only that felt like it was to serve me. The process of interacting with that idea was so delightful and so delicious and so fun that I was like, I feel like I'm just the luckiest person that like this is, oh wow, I get to play with this thing. [00:45:21] Yeah. And it wants to play with me. And I don't feel that all the time. Like sometimes it's origami or doodling or coloring with my daughter. But to go back to Dr. Martha Beck's work that the opposite of anxiety is not calm, it's creativity. Oh, I love that. And you have by default really spoken through, like just healing through creating. [00:45:43] Oh, absolutely. And also there's something about, 'cause calm, there's something about calm that like, we must be still, and granted I love meditation, but like, I must be still, I must be calm. But when you are holding something that is buzzing and shaking or heavy or hot, like just some emotions are hot, like you, it's like you wanna move it through your hands or your words or your body and make something, right. [00:46:06] And you made me, she made me this bracelet before we started this episode. So like, it feels like you have a relationship with creativity too. A hundred percent. Creativity is a lifeline. And I feel like, and the most chaotic moments of my life have been the least I'm my least creative and I think it's a really. [00:46:29] Valuable, tangible thing for anybody to take from this conversation is if you are feeling out of control, lean into something as simple as I'm obsessed with those adult, you know, like the coloring books. Yes. You know, for adults to have like tons of different like lines all over the place that you have to be like really specific to keep the marker in there. [00:46:51] It can't, I do get a little bugged when it like bleeds over to the next section, but, , it's okay. I know I'm working through my, , my stressors at that moment. But yes, giving yourself a creative outlet, it's like taking a big drink of water after you've been exercising and you are so parched. [00:47:07] And I also agree that , calm sounds great in theory, but for me I feel like the more important, like the word that's become more important or I'm better able to. Absorb is the idea of am I grounded? Are my feet touching the ground? I can still have a lot going on, but when I'm like rising higher, you know, off the ground, 'cause like, I'm like a bird at this point, just flapping my arms so fast, right. [00:47:35] That I'm actually taking flight. I'm not in my best head space, but when I can just take a moment to literally just ground myself, make sure that my feet are, whether it's in the grass or sit down like this. And a conversation with a friend, somebody who really knows you is a great moment for that. [00:47:53] It's a great way to remind you who you are is somebody else. Sometimes I talk all the time about the value of when you can connect with somebody who feels with you, not just for you. Oh my gosh. It makes the world so much lighter and goodness. I mean, huh. That's probably if I could have answered the question I asked you a little bit ago, what's something that you could have if I could have told my former therapist self, like when I very when I first started, you're there to hold space for people to feel and feel with them. [00:48:23] Right. Exactly. You're not there. It's sacred. Yeah. It's there's nothing, one, it's like, there's nothing I can tell someone who's deeply in pain that they're actually gonna No. , That's, the words are just like, right. It's just noise. Yeah. And not to take anything. I'm sure I have clients who have been impacted by words. [00:48:40] But having a safe space to feel your feelings free of judgment. Is one of the reasons why I love journaling so much, but also doing that in communion Yeah. With another human right who expects nothing of you. I love Elizabeth Gilbert has language I love, like there's no precious outcome. [00:48:57] Like I can, that I can sit and have space with you or I can make plans with you or be, and there's no precious outcome. You don't have to perform for me. Right. You don't have to be anything for me. Like we can just be that is what a gift. Yes, that is. I just want to, this conversation has inspired way too many thoughts, but in the best way. [00:49:15] But something that hit me and then I think we could absolutely move on to Yeah. This the cut your bangs question. But what I've realized even in our conversation is that logic is not loud . our emotions are loud and they get louder and louder. The more we. Push them back the more we ignore them. [00:49:36] Think of your kids until they, when they need your attention. Because they deserve your attention. They do. The best thing we can do is acknowledge those emotions and just, even if it's as simple as, it's totally understandable. I feel this way right now. That is such a freeing sentence. Of course, I feel this way right now. [00:49:58] That was some serious shit that I just went through. Yeah . of course, I feel, and it doesn't have to make sense when those feelings hit the timing a lot of times feelings for me, I've found won't hit until I'm in a safe space much further down the road. Yes. And it's like being T-boned, like yes, totally out of the blue. [00:50:19] But that's also what happens to kids when they have tantrums. Ah, yeah. They'll hold. And then when they're finally either home at the end of the day or something, when the container is so full and they're finally in a place where they feel safe, they'll erupt over an orange peel not being peeled correctly. [00:50:32] Or , or a banana not being peeled correctly. Oh gosh. And it's not that, don't even start me on string cheese. God. Oh God. Parenting is fun. The best, but No, but you're right. Sometimes, I think that's probably why I cry almost with like every movie and TV show I watch. [00:50:47] Yeah. Because the emotions are just always right there and I just need a place to let it trickle out. Right. And that's okay. And I think, but just not judging ourselves for feelings. And then I think once we give that space or the feelings, the sooner we can do that, the sooner that logic, you know, like you, you mentioned multiple times, I know this, then you give logic. [00:51:13] The space that it needs to speak to you in a calm and quiet manner that you can actually trust. And that's where I think that those gut feelings truly come from. Those inner knowings are, when you've allowed space for the emotions first, given them their due. So then the logic can start to talk to you because it's never going to yell for your attention. [00:51:35] No. And I think we want it to, but that's not the way it works. And that's okay. A lot of times things make sense in hindsight, oh gosh, hindsight's 2020. Always. South Park has a great episode. If people if you have just like a dark sense of humor and you wanna laugh at, there's a character called Captain Hindsight and it's really funny. [00:51:54] . So yeah, a lot of times things don't make sense until we're. A little bit more removed from them. Yep. And some what I have found to be helpful, I've noticed you using your hands. Yeah. And I find when I am, when my mind is really active and I need it to stop or slow down or I just i'll sometimes even throw my hands up. Yeah. And I'll say, and even saying. I'm feeling something and just to myself in my kitchen. 'cause I'm almost always , because I work from home, I'm either like in my office or in my kitchen, like I'm feeling something. As soon as you did that, it's gonna show on video. [00:52:25] I like saw from the corner of my eye myself, naturally going, whew. Yeah. Just sound like inhale. Exhale. Yes. It's like something is being felt. Something's happening. I don't know what it is, but something's happening. And I think, in a lot of ways too, like that's how we have these internal smoke signals. [00:52:42] Yeah. And it's the same way, like your smoke detector in your house doesn't know the difference between burnt toast and something on fire, right? But it will beep when it senses. Yeah. When it senses something. And so my body is like sensing something. Is this a threat? [00:52:56] Are we safe? Yes, we're safe. Oh, we're likely. We just needed water. We're just dehydrated. Uhhuh. Or we just, yeah. So any number of things. But that was so good. Thank you. And yes, I would love, love, love to know your don't cut your own bang moment. And for anybody who is new to the podcast, 'cause I think there are some new people here. [00:53:15] Thank you for being here. Don't cut Your own bang moment is a moment where you went all in on something like cutting your own bangs, you grabbed some scissors, you watched a YouTube video, you're like, I got this. And you go, and then, oh no, this wasn't what I thought it would be. But the value in a don't Cut Your own Bang moment is not only that we can share in the silliness of humanity and mistakes, but also like maybe we learn something from it. [00:53:42] So, Ashlyn? Yes. I would love to hear your Don't cut your own bang moment. Oh my goodness. I think that there's probably a plethora of them. Oh, of course. And, let's see here. I'm even, I tried to have one prepared, and then I got excited about the rest of our conversation. Oh my gosh. Don't worry. So, okay I'll share one. [00:53:58] So what's a good, don't a good, oh. I invited my husband to record a podcast with me because I thought it would just be, , fun to bring him back on. And what I realized was I didn't prepare him for it at all. I just set up lights and set up a camera and asked him to sit. And he was so, visibly like he was trying, he was sitting, he was trying. [00:54:23] But I could just tell, again, something's happening. And I could tell he was a little uncomfortable and a little stiff. And I kept, because our eyes look out. My first assumption is, what's wrong out there? And I was like, what are you okay? What's wrong? And he he was , I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing. [00:54:41] And then I was like. Oh, no, it was snip the bangs. I didn't provide any context. I didn't give him any preparation for what we'd be talking about, why we'd be talking like he had no context. And the whole setup is different, uhhuh. And it was such a humbling, settling moment of context. [00:55:04] It's I'm writing something right now about this idea of play. I'm a freedom loving, freedom seeking play hungry, greedy person right now. I want more play. I could never get enough. But what makes play feel fun and safe is to understand the context. Yeah. , There's rules in a game. [00:55:20] Otherwise, what is it? And I, my first instinct is to buck. Rules. I don't like ingredient lists. I don't like recipes. I just wanna feel my way through it. But, if you wanna make a beautiful croissant, you can't just feel your way through that. There's a very exacting way to do it. And so, it, it was such a one, I'm endlessly grateful for him and his patients with me. [00:55:40] I'm grateful that , our dynamics not new, so he probably knew what was going on, but just did yeah he's pretty sweet that way. But I, it was such a refresher that , if I wanna create a space and container to play safely with people Yeah. I need to give them the context. Absolutely. And it doesn't matter how long I've known someone, how well I know someone. [00:55:59] I laughed at myself because I, the part of the reason why it feels funny to me, but in like a humbling way. I thought the problem was him for like the first 15 minutes. I was like, what dude? Relax. I was like, what? Is he doing it right? [00:56:12] Yeah. like come on. And I was like. Oh no. Context. Zero. Oh my goodness. So that was a great one. Thank you. Okay, I'm gonna do mine in like short seconds because this one just hap this that inspired me perfectly. So my 8-year-old son and I are both going to the same therapist right now. [00:56:30] I'm a believer everybody should have at least an annual checkup with a therapist, but that's a great endorsement. Everyone should have an you annual checkup. You welcome, reach out to Danielle, she's fantastic. If you live in Indiana, by all means. If not, we'll help you find someone. Yes. And also order the book. [00:56:44] Yes, order the book. Get resting the wall risk. Get treasured. Yes. But go on please. So anyway one, one of the things that my I, the reason I love the person we're working with is because she's the first therapist I've worked with when it comes to, with my kids, she actually tells me what I can work on rather than just , you're doing the best you can and like you just love 'em. [00:57:03] And like, yes, I know, but that is not helping me. And so one of the things that got pointed out to me. Was so Cole , has very low frustration tolerance, like more so than is necessarily healthy for an 8-year-old. And of course with all the trauma with our his sister, our journey, it's understandable. [00:57:22] So we're working on that. What she kindly pointed out to me was, okay, we could work on his, but do you also realize that your tolerance for acceptable emotions is about this big? Oh, she's , therapist, be therapist Uhhuh. She's , but there's like a whole lot more emo like, she's , it's like a whole rainbow. [00:57:42] We need a whole arc for acceptable emotions. She's so you need to stop making it your responsibility to control which emotions he experiences. And it's up to you to provide the solid ground for him no matter which emotion comes up for him. And I will say that has changed my parenting in the last week. [00:58:04] More than maybe anything has like faster than anything. Because all of a sudden I'm like, of course it's acceptable that his sister just made him extremely mad. Of course it's understandable that he's jealous or sad or excited or whatever the feeling is, but it also doesn't define him as right or wrong, what emotions he's experiencing in that moment. [00:58:28] And the big thing was the realization that every emotion he experiences is not a direct reflection of who I am as a parent. No. Because that was what I needed to let go of that any emotion that is considered negative that my child has doesn't mean. That I'm doing a bad job as a parent. Oh my God. [00:58:49] That is one. What a beautiful. Don't cut. Thank you. With Dr. Sarah. Yes. Thank you, Dr. Sarah. You'd be therapizing all up in that session. That was so good. And it's the, that to me is a great example that hard truths can always be delivered with kindness. Yeah. But I think the big important thing there is you had the right context. [00:59:12] Exactly. You went to her for that information. Right. It wasn't like someone on the street. But the thing that we can't give someone what we don't have. Exactly. And I actually think that what you just said, if there was ever an endorsement for what. Self-care actually is not the commoditized, right. [00:59:29] Faux sense of, I'm gonna create a problem and I'm going to prescribe collagen. Did you know that the reason why, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah is these things that you need to buy and, oh, my program for blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm gonna, I have all that stuff. I'm not I'm wanna, I wanna keep it in perspective. [00:59:45] I am drinking the same Kool-Aid 'cause I'm getting sent the same algorithm ads that we're all getting sent. Like I'm doing colostrum now. I don't even know. Like, I just, because I was like, my gut might grow up I own, but anyway but I think self-care and the best possible context is when you nurture. [01:00:03] And heal yourself. It becomes the medicine. Yes. Yes. And the offering for the other people in your life that you love most. It's like as you increase your own palette of what you're able to allow yourself to experience, you're then also able to see it in your son and give it to him. That is so beautiful and it's hard. [01:00:26] Sometimes, but it's some God that a well timed, articulated loving truth like that can change your life. Yeah. That is amazing. Thank you. I don't know, we can't top that. That was good. We're good. That was real good. Ashlyn Thompson, thank you so much for coming back and we're going to have you back. [01:00:43] You have to come back. Yes. And you're coming over to Empowered by Hope very soon. I would love that so much. And Yes. And so all of the ways, if you or anyone you know in your life has been impacted by a little one with complex me complex medical issues and you want some support, you want some information, you want some resources. [01:01:01] The link in the show notes will have every way that you can connect with Ashlyn, her business partner, and what was formally Charlotte's Hope Foundation, what is now the Parent Empowerment Network. Pick up all the books, all the resources, everything I talked about too for my stuff is also in there. [01:01:16] But , it's all linked for you there. So I hope that you get what you need and. Thanks so much, . Oh my gosh. [01:01:21] If you've ever wanted to pick up journaling,

Love. It's the highest frequency, but why is it often the hardest to access?In this heart-opening episode of Everyday Epigenetics, Susan Robbins and Kate King explore the multifaceted, deeply personal, and scientifically powerful force of love, from self-love to connection with others to the way love literally shapes your biology.Together, they peel back the layers of what it really means to feel love, offer it, and receive it, especially in a world steeped in fear, judgment, and disconnection.You'll learn:Why love is a physiological state, not just a feeling, and how it boosts your immune system, lowers stress, and changes your gene expressionHow to reconnect with love, even if it feels unfamiliar or uncomfortableA powerful journaling practice from Elizabeth Gilbert to shift your self-talk and activate compassionWhy your body is the key to experiencing love, and how to tune into its messagesPractical ways to raise your emotional frequency through art, movement, music, connection, and moreWhether you're struggling with self-worth, healing from heartbreak, or simply wanting more joy in your life, this episode offers a gentle, empowering reminder:Love isn't something you wait for. It's something you practice.If you're ready to soften, reconnect, and create a life rooted in compassion, from the inside out, this conversation is for you.About Susan Robbins and Kate KingSusan and Kate come from two very different, but perfectly complementary, worlds in the health and wellness space. Together, their synergy is magnetic. Think: science meets soul, strategy meets intuition, real talk meets radical transformation.RESOURCES:Eat, Pray, Love - Elizabeth Gilbert: https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Pray-Love-Everything-Indonesia/dp/0143038419Elizabeth Gilbert - Letters from Love: https://elizabethgilbert.substack.com/Don Miguel Ruiz - Mastery of Love: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1878424440/Leo F. Buscaglia: Living Loving and Learning https://www.amazon.com/Living-Loving-Learning-Leo-Buscaglia/dp/0449901815Find all of Kate and Susan's Resources and links on the show notes!Shownotes: https://healthyawakening.co/2025/06/23/episode63/Visit the website: healthyawakening.co/podcastFind listening links here: https://healthyawakening.co/linksP.S. Want reminders about episodes? Sign up for our newsletter, you can find the link on our podcast page! https://healthyawakening.co/podcast

Nsima Inyang (@nsimainyang) is a strength athlete, movement coach, and co-host of Mark Bell's Power Project, one of the top fitness podcasts in the world. He is also one of the most freakishly athletic humans I've ever met. He's a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, a professional natural bodybuilder (placed top five in the world), and an elite-level powerlifter (750-plus-pound deadlift, etc.)—but what sets him apart is how he blends all those worlds with unconventional training tools like kettlebells, maces, sandbags, and rope flow. Nsima is also the founder of The Stronger Human, a growing online community focused on strength, movement, and resilience.This episode is brought to you by:Pique premium pu'er tea crystals: https://piquelife.com/tim (20% off—valid for the lifetime of your subscription—plus a free Starter Kit, which includes a rechargeable frother and glass beaker)Momentous high-quality supplements: https://livemomentous.com/tim (code TIM for up to 35% off)Eight Sleep Pod Cover 5 sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: EightSleep.com/Tim (use code TIM to get $350 off your very own Pod 5 Ultra.)*Watch the interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/mLGqrlxofXANsima's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/nsimaInyangThe Stronger Human: https://www.skool.com/thestrongerhuman/aboutThe Stronger Human Store: https://thestrongerhuman.store/*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Chris Hutchins is the creator and host of All the Hacks, a podcast that helps people upgrade their life, money, and travel. He previously founded Grove (acquired by Wealthfront) and Milk (acquired by Google), led New Product Strategy at Wealthfront, and was a Partner at Google Ventures. Most importantly, he is the person Kevin Rose and I call if we want to figure how to get a better deal on just about anything in the world, or if we just want to learn about his latest hijinks doing things like getting $200 flights to Japan, running gold pseudo-arbitrage at retail, or dirt-cheap trips to Bora Bora. We cover all three and more in this conversation.Sponsors:Shopify global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: https://shopify.com/tim (one-dollar-per-month trial period)Ramp easy-to-use corporate cards, bill payments, accounting, and more: https://ramp.com/tim (Get $250 when you join Ramp)AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.)*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Chatri Sityodtong (@yodchatri) is the founder and CEO of ONE Championship, one of the top-10 biggest sports-media properties in the world in terms of viewership and engagement (alongside the NBA, Formula One, Champions League, and Premier League), with a global broadcast reach to 195 countries. Sponsors:AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.)Helix Sleep premium mattresses: https://HelixSleep.com/Tim (20% off on all mattress orders)Wealthfront high-yield cash account: https://Wealthfront.com/Tim (Start earning 4.00% APY on your short-term cash until you're ready to invest. And when new clients open an account today, you can get an extra fifty-dollar bonus with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more.) Terms apply. Tim Ferriss receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage, LLC for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of Wealthfront Brokerage. See full disclosures here.*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What if the driving force behind your achievements isn't about what you want, but what you're desperately trying to run away from? In this raw and honest episode, Lisa gets real about the hidden addiction to achievement that so many high performers share—and why your relationship with success might actually be keeping you from the life you really want.What We're Diving Into:The Achievement Trap: Lisa breaks down how the constant chase for more—awards, recognition, that next level of success—often becomes a way to avoid sitting with ourselves. Are you actually pursuing your dreams, or are you just trying to outrun discomfort?Your Power to Choose (Yes, Really): Here's the thing—you're not stuck in old patterns or at the mercy of external validation. Through awareness and honest self-reflection, you can choose how to respond, break the cycles that are keeping you small, and create new patterns that actually nourish you.Peace Without the Productivity Guilt: This isn't about slowing down or doing less (Lisa knows that's not realistic for most of us). It's about learning how to let peace and satisfaction exist alongside your ambitions. You can have both.Success That Actually Feels Good: True fulfillment isn't about what everyone else sees on the outside—it's about how you feel when you're alone with yourself. Lisa shares how to build that intimate, loving relationship with yourself where peace becomes your new normal.Living Enchanted: Drawing from Elizabeth Gilbert's work, Lisa introduces the concept of an "enchanted life"—not the Instagram version, but a sustainable way of being that's grounded, balanced, and deeply satisfying.The Real Talk Moments:Why excitement and depression are often two sides of the same coin—and how many of us are actually addicted to the chaosHow your body can become hooked on dopamine and adrenaline hits, making stillness feel scary or "wrong"The hard questions you need to ask yourself about where you're chasing intensity instead of actual fulfillmentWhy reclaiming your power of choice is the gateway to deeper presence, creativity, and connectionYour Homework (Because Lisa Always Gives You Homework):Get Honest: Where are you mistaking busyness for productivity? When did you last choose to slow down instead of being forced to?Notice the Good Stuff: What are your moments of real enchantment? The ones that fill you up without requiring achievement? Can you let more of these in?Remember This: You deserve to feel as good as your life looks on paper. But that's a choice you have to make from the inside out.Bottom line: Every single day, you get to choose—to let peace in, to honor what you've built, and to create a life that feels as incredible as it looks. The question is: will you?Ready to Go Deeper?Lisa shares details about working together, including her Reclamation program for women ready to stop performing their lives and start living them, one-on-one coaching, and her upcoming Tulum retreat where you'll integrate peace and ambition in the most beautiful setting.If this episode hit you right in the feels, share it with someone who needs to hear it. And honestly? Leave a review. It helps other people find these conversations when they need them most.

Welcome back to another in-between-isode, with one of my favorite formats: the good old-fashioned Q&A.Sponsors: Monarch Money track, budget, plan, and do more with your money: MonarchMoney.com/Tim (50% off your first year at monarchmoney.com with code TIM)Eight Sleep Pod Cover 5 sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: EightSleep.com/Tim (use code TIM to get $350 off your very own Pod 5 Ultra.)AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.)*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Join us for an uplifting conversation with Davin Youngs—singer, sound healing artist, keynote speaker, and "magician of the soul," as described by bestselling author Elizabeth Gilbert. Davin passionately explores the transformational power of singing, voice, and sound, sharing insights into how these powerful tools catalyze personal and collective growth.Singer, sound healing artist and keynote speaker, Davin Youngs has been described by Eat, Pray, Love author, Elizabeth Gilbert as a "magician of the soul." Davin believes wholeheartedly in the transformational power of singing, voice and sound. He is the creator of VOXUS, an interactive keynote experience that draws corporate, professional and executives into improvisational singing and spontaneous song as a means of fostering deeper connection and catalyzing change. He has brought this work to companies like Coca-Cola, WD-40 and the Federal Reserve bank and also offers it locally through Chicago Circle Singing.Additionally, Davin discusses "The RESET," his signature sound bath experience blending improvisational singing, sound healing instruments, looping technology, and electronic beats, designed for restoration, discovery, and deep healing. He has shared this remarkable experience in renowned venues including The Kennedy Center, Chicago's Orchestra Hall, and the Ace Hotel rooftop.Don't miss this inspiring episode, where Davin shares the keys to freeing your voice and transforming your life!Davin's Links:https://voxusexperience.com, http://theresetsoundexperience.comLearn more about our Lyrics 'N Leadership Institute launch on May 28th, 2025 here: https://lyricsnleadership.org/Listen to more episodes on Mission Matters:https://missionmatters.com/author/genein-letford/

New York Times bestselling author Laura Munson spoke to me about her acclaimed writing retreats, building a bridge to readers, and bringing wonder back into our lives with her latest THE WILD WHY. Laura Munson is the New York Times, USA Today, and international bestselling author of the novel Willa's Grove and the memoir This Is Not The Story You Think It Is. She is also an editor and Founder of the top-ranked Haven Writing Retreats. Her new book is THE WILD WHY: Stories and Teachings to Uncover Your Wonder. A Maria Shriver Sunday Paper Pick, “For fans of Brené Brown's Daring Greatly, Glennon Doyle's Untamed, and Elizabeth Gilbert's Big Magic, this illuminating self-help tool is the perfect book for anyone who yearns to rekindle their own voice.” Laura has been featured or published in Vanity Fair, Elle, Redbook, Time, Newsweek, The New York Times' “Modern Love” column, The New York Times Magazine, O, The Oprah Magazine, and many others. She has appeared on Good Morning America, The Early Show, WGN, NPR, London's This Morning, Australia's Sunrise, and other global media outlets. [Discover The Writer Files Extra: Get 'The Writer Files' Podcast Delivered Straight to Your Inbox at writerfiles.fm] [If you're a fan of The Writer Files, please click FOLLOW to automatically see new interviews. And drop us a rating or a review wherever you listen] In this file Laura Munson and I discussed: How to rekindle your true voice Why we lose wonder in our worried world Her life's journey to live in her truth The importance of finding radical empathy How to eradicate the “tortured artist” pattern And a lot more! Show Notes: lauramunson.com The Wild Why: Stories and Teachings to Uncover Your Wonder by Laura Munson (Amazon) Laura Munson on Facebook Laura Munson on Instagram Kelton Reid on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to another wide-ranging "Random Show" episode I recorded with my close friend Kevin Rose (digg.com)! We cover dozens of topics: from the cutting edge of health tech to pro-tips for colonoscopies; AI; adventures in Japan and Taiwan seeking out perfect coffee and tea; tips for drinking less alcohol; powerful documentaries like 32 Sounds and books such as Awareness; the unexpected joys and therapeutic benefits of adult Lego; and much, much more.Sponsors:Vanta trusted compliance and security platform: https://vanta.com/tim ($1000 off) Momentous high-quality supplements: https://livemomentous.com/tim (code TIM for up to 35% off)ExpressVPN high-speed, secure, and anonymous VPN service: https://www.expressvpn.com/tim (get 3 or 4 months free on their annual plans)*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What does it mean to live a good life? Is it about happiness, health, friendship, love, or meaning? What about work, wealth, purpose, service, or something else? Can you live a good life even when things are hard? These are the questions and topics we explore every week in conversation with leading voices from health, science, art, industry, mindset, and culture, like Brené Brown, Matthew McConaughey, Mel Robbins, Alex, Elle, Adam Grant, Elizabeth Gilbert, Yung Pueblo, Maya Shankar, Mitch Albom, Glennon Doyle & hundreds more. The New York Times says, "the show's holistic approach to fulfillment is bound to resonate." Listen now! Hosted on Acast. Visit GoodLifeProject.com to learn more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jake Kaminski is a two-time Olympic silver medalist in archery and a longtime member of the US Archery Team. He runs a successful YouTube channel, writes training guides, and develops high-performance gear under the Kaminski Archery brand. Sign up for the Kaminski Archery Backyard Championship here.Sponsors:Helix Sleep premium mattresses: https://HelixSleep.com/Tim (27% off all mattress orders) AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.)Shopify global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: https://shopify.com/tim (one-dollar-per-month trial period)*Timestamps:[00:00:00] Start.[00:06:50] A glimpse into the high-precision world of Olympic archery.[00:11:04] How Jake and I connected.[00:18:27] Jake's auspicious introduction to archery.[00:21:15] Why you (Yes! You!) should try archery.[00:22:01] The differences between bows.[00:25:19] The admirable proficiency of Shot IQ's Bodie and Joel Turner.[00:26:24] Ethical bow hunting, performing under pressure, and transitioning from rifle to bow.[00:29:22] Why I wouldn't have cut it as a competitive archer in Korea.[00:30:14] Mindful archery and training hard to make competition easy.[00:37:00] What Jake did when compound bow archery started to get boring.[00:40:00] Meeting legendary Coach Kisik Lee (KSL).[00:43:06] The upsides of having no social life as a kid.[00:45:20] The welcoming weirdness of archery communities.[00:46:33] For the sake of form, Coach Lee shakes things up.[00:51:21] “I am.” — an affirmation for apathy adjustment.[00:58:11] London, 2012 Olypmics: when it all starts coming together.[01:08:28] How does teamwork play out in archery?[01:15:40] My own experience with Coach Lee.[01:19:23] The trials of training and traveling.[01:27:33] Blank bale practice.[01:31:14] Layering, biomechanics, and other early points of focus.[01:33:03] The underrated importance of follow through.[01:36:40] Coach Lee's take on follow through vs. release.[01:37:29] Gauging tension and intention as an instructor.[01:38:52] Attention to grouping over hitting the bullseye.[01:40:57] Making adaptations for physical limitations.[01:43:30] The ups and downs of our patented “Jesus take the wheel” instinctive approach.[01:46:24] Warm-up tournaments, barebowing, black bales, and string walking.[01:50:54] Recovering from the disaster that made me rethink Lancaster.[01:55:15] Rebalancing gear: arrows and arrow rests.[02:00:50] The importance of practicing in tournament-like conditions.[02:04:03] Securing convenient fuel.[02:08:17] Lancaster preparation logistics (with special thanks to Heather Kaminski and Rick Simpson Oil).[02:13:17] The glue that holds us together: note-taking and training logs.[02:16:47] Even counterintuitive consistency is key.[02:18:45] Our experience at Lancaster.[02:28:00] “The goal is to do the least necessary, not the most possible.” — Henk Kraaijenhof[02:31:44] Learning by observation and conversation on the practice range.[02:35:35] What's the Kaminski Archery Backyard Championship, and why should you get involved?[02:40:30] How can you (and why should you) get started with archery today?[02:42:48] Parting thoughts.*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim's email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim's books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Lesley Logan and transformational coach Kevin Carton dive into how science and spirituality work together to help you live a more aligned and vibrant life. They explore why your heart holds the key to uncovering your true purpose, how small shifts in awareness can create major transformations, and how gratitude can rewire your reality. Get ready to feel inspired to take your next bold step forward. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why your soul's purpose is as unique as your thumbprint.How to connect science and spirituality to create your dream life.The importance of curiosity when you feel unclear about your goals.The Double Slit Experiment and why observation shapes reality.How writing a present-tense vision statement can accelerate your growth.The four levels of consciousness and how to shift from victim to creator.How gratitude operates at three powerful levels to rewire your brain and life.Episode References/Links:Kevin Carton Website - https://www.kevincarton.comKevin Carton Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kevinfcartonScience and Spirituality Podcast - https://beitpod.com/scienceandspiritualitypodMetacognition Meditation - https://beitpod.com/metacognitionmeditationDr. Quantum Double Slit Experiment - https://youtu.be/NvzSLByrw4QBig Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - https://a.co/d/dMYmp4yMan's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl - https://a.co/d/6PEUoagGuest Bio:As an inspirational speaker, teacher, and transformational life coach certified by the Brave Thinking Institute, Kevin Carton empowers people to discover and live their soul's purpose. With over a decade of experience, Kevin has helped hundreds of people breakthrough limitations, rewire their subconscious mind and trust themselves more deeply, so they can take the bold steps to turn their dream into a reality. He has spoken on stages in front of thousands of people sharing his “old soul” wisdom, which led to him being described as a young Bob Proctor. He shares weekly insights alongside his brother Chris Carton on their podcast, Science & Spirituality, which has over 1.3 million downloads and listeners in 113 countries around the world. When he's not serving others in his coaching business, Kevin loves going on date nights with his wife / soulmate Vivianne, snowboarding in the mountains in the winter, and spending time with his cat Autumn in their home near Denver, Colorado. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We all have a unique thumbprint that we can identify ourselves across the eight plus billion people, completely unique. I also believe that we all have a unique purpose in life, and that we're here to fulfill it. Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:56  Okay, Be It babe. We are gonna have a little bit of science, a little bit of spirituality, and yes, they go together. And holy moly, am I blown away. One of, it's just I have things that I want to put on repeat. There's things I want to go research. There's a meditation I'm going to go do, like, this, I'm fired up. And I have to say today, before this interview happened, I had call after call. Meeting after meeting. Demand after demand. I was like, oh, I gotta put my podcasting hat on, and I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm so glad I did, because my whole perspective of what I'm here to do has changed in like a moment, in an instant, and I believe that that's what's gonna happen for you in this podcast. So here is our guest, Kevin Carton. Lesley Logan 1:35  All right, Be It babe. This is gonna be so fun, because I've already been chatting with our guest before I hit record here, and it's just so fun. It's an easy conversation, and someone who really cares about who you are and how you operate in this world. And so Kevin Carton, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Kevin Carton 1:50  I'd be happy to. First off, thank you for having me on your podcast. I'm thrilled to be here. And I love your show. Clearly, love your audience because of the focus of your show. So I'm excited to share. So, myself, as you shared, I'm Kevin Carton. I'm a transformational life coach, and I like to call myself as well, a spiritual teacher, although my technical certification is as a transformational life coach, but I help people in living their dreams. It's really as simple as that, but there's so much more depth than that goes to because I really like to take the spiritual approach, or the soul's approach, the perspective of being a soul in this human experience. And so it's a different approach than, like, just trying to create something new in your life. But I go into the deeper depths of like, why? Well, why? Why do you want whatever it is that you want, and what is that going to give you? What are you giving to the world for that? And ultimately, I love to focus on our soul's purpose. I personally believe that we all have a soul's purpose as unique as our thumbprint. We all have a unique thumbprint that we can identify ourselves across the eight plus billion people, completely unique. I also believe that we all have a unique purpose in life, and that we're here to fulfill it.Lesley Logan 2:55  I so believe that. I think what a lot of people who listen to this show are all kind of figuring out, like, what is my purpose? I think that they can get overwhelmed by that question. They can feel like, you have to know an answer, and you're, you feel ashamed if you don't know an answer. Simon Sinek's like, it starts with why. And I remember coaching people like, I don't know, I just don't feel the pain and and they're being told like, your why should make you cry. And it's like, should it, though? Is it that emotional? How do we get past it? So I guess I have two questions I want to go with. One, how do you become a transformational life coach? Can anyone just say that they are? And two, what is a soul's purpose? How do we figure that out? These are two big questions, I think.Kevin Carton 3:30  They are. I mean, I've been doing this for a while, so I can answer both of those, actually, quite briefly. First, how I, you know, anyone becomes a transformational life coach? There's many different routes, and there are many different perspectives on what you can or the training you go through to actually call yourself a transformational life coach, or a life coach in general. The path I don't recommend, and this is not the path I took, is taking an online certification that costs $250. There are those that are out there and could be helpful in terms of a coaching modality like you can learn some skills, but I believe, if you're calling yourself a transformational life coach, that there is some deeper depth that you've carved out in your own life, your own experience, that you can give to others and share with others, but in a more reliable way, that it's not just happenstance or your own experience, but there are certain principles that you follow, that you share those principles, and if someone works with those principles, then it could work for them too. Because, at heart, I'm actually a scientist. That's like the beginning of my story. I first chose my career path, at first, was to begin my doctorate in pharmacy. Long story short, I did not end up continuing to get my doctorate, because three and a half years in or so, I started to work in the industry as an intern, and I hated it. I felt like my soul was being crushed. Because, honestly, I really went into that career path because I want to help people, and when I saw that what we were doing really wasn't really helping, it was more of just masking symptoms, not really a treating the underlying cause, I felt like there was no purpose for me there anymore. So it was a very big, I call it my quarter life crisis, but that ultimately led me to needing help myself. So it was many different ways this came about that I won't get into, different, like, synchronicities happening in my life, but I stumbled upon a mentor who has been my mentor since. So for over 10 years now, I've been working with this woman, and she's a transformational life coach. Her name is Mary Morrissey, but I sought her help because I was in such a deep, dark place in my life, like dipping in and out of depression, feeling so lost that I needed guidance, I needed support. So from that journey, and it was within like one year, from working with her, investing and coaching with her, that I started to uncover what really was here for me and my purpose and what I really wanted to do to help people, like, truly. And for how much her work helped me, I felt so inspired that I wanted to do the same. So kind of a story of turning your mess into your message, right? So that's what guided me toward this path of being a transformational life coach. And I'm also really grateful and thrilled that my mentor actually runs a whole institute that I believe is actually like, one of the world's best in terms of training life coaches, so. Lesley Logan 6:07  I love that you brought that up about what you don't recommend people do as a path. And also you went into, like, how long you went through, and you're obviously still working with her, and then also to then train, because my industry is also not really regulated, and I don't think the life coaching industry is also like, there's not like a third party, exactly, and I do think that there are reasons why some statewide or tests should be done, because I just think that anyone can call themselves some of these things, and if they're really passionate, that they can hoodwink people. And so I actually don't bring on a ton of life coaches onto this podcast, because I want to make sure that there's a way that I can vet them and research them, and I can look into what they say they're trained in. And I saw yours, and I was like, oh, this is legitimate, and this person actually practices what they preach. So it's the same thing. When people are like, oh, I want a Pilates instructor over here. I'm like, here's the deal. There's not really, like, a one directory you can go to and anyone can actually call themselves a Pilates instructor. They don't even have to take a course. They can watch it on Instagram. They can watch my YouTube videos. It's all there. They can buy the equipment. They can insure the studio. They can insure a studio, and never, ever have to show a certification of any kind. So, so it's really important that people know that there is valid ways, and I really appreciate you sharing that. Okay, so I also resonate because I went to college for like, a reason, and I was like, I'm gonna do this thing. And I remember sitting on an airplane, very vividly, and I remember going, I don't even see myself doing that anymore. And I felt like, oh my God, I'm in college. I'm paying all this money. I can't just also quit. So what am I gonna do? What is my thing that I'm gonna do? And so it's really overwhelming when you're in your early 20s and you have all this pressure, because it costs so much to start to even shift. So I think it's really incredible that you had the crisis and you found the shift. So is that how you found your soul's purpose? Is like, what? And then can we all find ours?Kevin Carton 7:55  Absolutely. Yeah, so it's actually, it's a great bridge into that, that second question to answer that, as I mentioned, I believe it's also a brief, can be a brief answer, pretty straightforward, that our soul's purpose is really what our heart calls for the most. That's what I believe our purpose is. Because, you know, purpose has this definition or this paradigm around it, that it has to be something that involves contributing to the world or contributing in some way that's like a career, a work, a job, whatever it is, like we're doing something. I personally believe our purpose here is actually to live the most alive life that we possibly can. And as you know, as I mentioned just before, I'm a scientist, I take the scientific perspective, and this, I know is going to go really wide out for people, but I really believe it's, it's helpful that if you look back into, like, the creation of this whole universe, our entire life and existence, and all that we know the scientific perspective is that it was The Big Bang, right? Even that, in the spiritual perspective, it pretty much, any major religion, speaks about there was this like moment that creation just began, right, from like one point, like one God, right? It's a common denominator of that, common thought. But it's the same thing with with the scientific perspective, was one infinite, it has to be small point of matter that scientists have discovered that's was the beginning of our universe, sounds like one energy, one life, one source, one one something, right? And boom, it blew apart. And then ever since then, for 13 plus billion years, it's becoming more and more complex and evolving to greater and greater experiences of itself that we call life. We are part of life. We're alive. We have breath. We didn't do anything to deserve the breath in our lungs or the heartbeat in our chest. It's a gift that we're given. And so I personally believe that our purpose here for any different way you can cut it up, is that we're here to become more alive, more aware, more happy, more joyful, more loving, and then fill in the blank. And it just happens to be sometimes that our work involves that.Lesley Logan 9:59  Mm. I like that you said that it, we often think that the purpose I have to do is with things for others, like you mentioned, it's more important that, like, we are living our lives. And I think that that's true. I think that the people that we're attracted to, there's this magnet around them because they're living their life. And we're like, looking at that. We're like, that sparkly, shiny, you know, it looks like the grass looks greener over there. And it might be because they're actually just living their life. And a lot of us get so consumed with, well, if I do X for me, what are other people gonna think? And I think, is that like the sole purpose, like kryptonite is like thinking, what other people are gonna think about the thing we're doing for ourselves to live. Kevin Carton 10:35  Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. There's a lot of paradigms that have to be shifted in our current society and current culture of humanity that it's too much focused on, like, oh, what are other people going to think, that we shut down our own aliveness? And ultimately, I don't believe that that's the purpose of life itself, anyway. And so it's flawed in some way. I don't think it's entirely negative to have some idea and concern of what other people are going to think, because we are all connected. There is, again, I believe this one life source energy, we call it different labels and names, but it's within everyone, too. So we want to care about others as well, but not too much. There's a fine line. There's a middle path of that. Lesley Logan 11:14  Yeah, I think you're right, because a narcissist would not think about anyone ever. So that's one extreme, and then someone else would be like, trying to people-please on the other extreme, and that's never gonna work. And so there is a place in the middle where it's like a temp check of is what I'm doing gonna be good in this world and, and is it my purpose? Is it from me or am I doing this for others?Kevin Carton 11:34  Exactly. Spot on. Yeah, that's why I started with that. Like, what is purpose to me? It's us, our own individual selves, becoming more alive. But again, yeah, it does connect with others. We don't want to, like, step on others in, in pursuing our purpose, because then what's the point? Lesley Logan 11:49  Right. Because we want to, I to me, I'm like, how do I bring people in? How do I bring them along? How do we include all of them and none of it is easy, and I think that that's the hard part, right? Doing the work to transform your life isn't, isn't easy, it's not a checkbox. Kevin Carton 12:07  Not at all. Lesley Logan 12:08  Okay, so you are, you bring science and, to spirituality. I found that very fascinating, because I feel like there's several different types of spirituality, and that they're so woo. We're on a different universe, and I can't really go there. I'm a one woo kind of girl, so I like my crystals, like my meditation. I definitely use some Palo Santo. But like, you know, we're, we gotta, we gotta stay on this planet, too. How did you combine the two? Because I feel like, I think it's cool that they live together. I just didn't realize that there was a Venn diagram where they overlapped. Kevin Carton 12:38  Well, very much so. In fact, honestly, some of the points in teaching principles I share, it's often like one and the same that the science and the spirituality, they say the exact same thing. It's just for how it's been in our society and humanity for so long. It's just been so separate. But now it really sparked my interest when I started to study quantum physics, because spiritual teachers for ages, millennia, would teach about if you believe, I mean, it's literally about your podcast, be it til you see it, right? Another way of saying it, if you believe it, then you can achieve it. In essence, you have it in your mind. It's possible in life. And there's a way in which you can create that. The scientific perspective of that now in quantum physics, have you ever heard of or seen the double slit experiment?Lesley Logan 13:22  No, I don't think so, but I'm excited to learn. Kevin Carton 13:25  I'd highly recommend checking it out. And there's a great YouTube video that describes it in very simple terms, because it's quite in depth. I haven't even understood it to the degree of the quantum physicist and how they studied it, because it's still mind boggling. But there's a great YouTube video by Dr Quantum on YouTube and literally, just type in Dr. Quantum Double Slit Experiment, you'll find it's a five minute video. You should understand really, really great. But the basic idea of it is that the scientists, they believe that you know for the longest time, the perspective on our universe is that it's material, meaning that it's energy that we can interact with, we can measure. It's very solid, like, literally the computer where I'm using to record this, or my desk, like, it's very solid. We can touch it, right? So all of these different things are just made up of electrons, protons and neutrons, all put together in just different formations. That's the periodic table as we know it. It's literally every element that we know that makes up the visible universe. However, if you break it up enough and take electrons, or photons, which is the tiny, tiny bit, it's the negative charge in an atom of any, any atom in the world or in the universe, take that electron, if you fire it into these like slits, in essence, like these two slits in this like metal sheet, then it creates, like a pattern on the back wall, like, where those electrons, like, went through those slits. So that's the basic idea that they, they looked at that because when you have solid pieces of matter and you shoot them through those two slits, it creates that reflection on the back of two slits of bands, right? Because solid matter went through it. But, if it's a wave of potential or wave of energy, let's say that those double slits were in water. If there was just a wave, like a ripple effect of water that goes through those two slits, it creates a very different result on the measuring wall, because the waves go through the slits, but then there's then two waves that come out of it, and they interact with each other, and they cause what's called an interference pattern. So I know I'm getting quite detailed, but it's important. So the craziest thing happened though, that what they thought would happen with electrons is that they would show up as the physical matter, that it was like the two bands, the two slits, right? It did not. It showed up as an interference pattern, meaning that the electron, which we have thought of for so long as just so material, so real, it's actually just potential in energy, meaning that literally everything that makes up the universe of electrons, also protons, neutrons, they are actually going in and out of states of existence. So the whole point being, why I'm sharing this, and this is what really sparked for me. This is way back 2014 when I actually first found this video and learned about the double slit experiment and the science behind this. It said the because the additional, one, final additional piece they added to this experiment was that the scientists took a measuring device to see which slit or how those electrons went through those double slits to make the interference pattern. Because they're like, what's going on? We think these things are solid pieces of matter, and when they put the measuring device there, the electrons went back to becoming actual matter. So it was inescapable, the conclusion, which was that the act of observing, in essence, being consciously aware, focusing on whatever it is that you're focusing on, makes it real. And if you're not focusing on it, in other words, you're not measuring that electron. It behaves like potential, like there's not solid.Lesley Logan 16:56  Oh, my God, that's so crazy. That's so, that is so crazy, because it's like we always hear that what you can track is what you would attract, what you measure is what grows. That's insane. Kevin Carton 17:06  This is why. Lesley Logan 17:07  That's really crazy. That is the woo with the science like that all. Kevin Carton 17:10  Exactly. Let me share one final thing, because I know I, I'm like, very well, self-aware, and I'm like, I shared a lot more, like, technical terms and all, but. Lesley Logan 17:18  We're gonna transcribe this whole thing and let people Google. Yeah. Kevin Carton 17:21  Okay, yeah, please. That video is so helpful because I even noticed I find some difficulty explaining it as clearly as possible. But here's my favorite quote from Einstein. Albert. Einstein even said this. This is, I think, a couple of decades before this Double Slit Experiment actually came out. So this is just a theory at the time, but now it's proven. He was just walking with a friend one night, and he's famous for saying, I wonder if we're not looking at the moon right now, if we're facing away from it, is the moon actually there right now? Is it actually in existence? It's like the classic philosophical saying, or the question, like, if a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it actually make a sound? And to this point, you know, this Double Slit Experiment is basically proving that, actually, no, it's not there until you view it, your consciousness is focused on it. And I'll end this off by saying, just to make it even more tangible and actionable to someone listening, the reason I bring this up is so powerful as of an example, is that we could use that in an everyday basis, with our life, with a dream, a vision, what we would love to create, even if we have no idea how it's going to happen, where there's no circumstance around us that shows evidence as if possible. It is possible because you can see it in your mind. It's the ability to focus, to concentrate, to dream up anything that you would love. And honestly, I think that's exactly what you mean in this whole podcast, this topic of the whole title, and the theme of this podcast is Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 18:45  Yeah, okay. I love this because I actually just heard of someone doing a manifestation where they went into the future and they saw what they wanted to happen, and they believed that it happened, and then they came back to the past, and all these different things were happening that would make them doubt what they saw in the future. But they stuck with no, we believe that. We saw that. It's going to come to an existence, and it happened, right, which feels a little magical. But also I believe that, because I've there are times when I've been so clear on what I want that it actually happens. And so where I think people get stuck is they don't know what they want. Kevin Carton 19:19  Agreed. Yes. Lesley Logan 19:22  Like, they can't actually be specific about what it is that they want. And I find when I goal set 10 years ago, 15 years ago, I could be very specific about what I wanted. And now, as I get older, and I was like, I've achieved a lot of things and different stuff, sometimes it's hard to know what you want and then believe that, oh, I want that. But is that exactly what I want? Like, we start to doubt ourselves. So like, how do you help people who have no idea what to want?Kevin Carton 19:50  It's a great question, and I appreciate your, just, transparency in your own experience now, because it's not a linear process. If you've achieved certain dreams and goals in your life already, doesn't mean that there's not going to be some challenge in discovering or achieving next, right? But my go to principle or tool for that in discovery is to get curious. The reason why I say that is because I personally believe that our true heart's desire, our true dream, our true purpose, whatever you want to call it, it is given to us by life itself, by this power you can call God, source, spirit, the universe, this energy, this life force, whatever you want to call it, we're alive. And so I believe we're given visions, given dreams. In fact, another great teacher and life coach, Les Brown, if you ever heard of him, he often says this in his speeches, that we're given dreams and it's up to us to accept and actually, first off, actually become aware of what those dreams are that are given to us, but then to actually accept and be bold and courageous to go for it. So the first tool I offer, usually, is just curiosity, because it's more of a listening in, rather than trying to figure out what is your purpose, so that it's more of a conversation, a dialog and exploration, rather than trying to make it happen or write it out and decide, because then it gets too intellectual. It's not connected to your heart. And that's really where the true desires come from. It's not in the mind, it's in the, it's in the body, it's in the heart. Lesley Logan 21:14  Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that. I love what you quoted Les Brown, because have you read the book Big Magic?Kevin Carton 21:21  No, I haven't, but I'm familiar with it. Lesley Logan 21:23  Okay, a great book, and it's, I think, really great for the creatives who listen. Because I coach a lot of people on their business, and they're like, okay, I started to get this going, and now we're gonna do this. And I'm like, so here's the thing, you can, you can do whatever you want, but I'm gonna tell you what I know is that if you test what is making you happy in your livelihood right now, before it's ready, you will have to make decisions that they're going to be compressed or pressured, because you need to make the money before it's ready, right? And so the Big Magic book by Elizabeth Gilbert, the idea is she actually did not quit teaching, even when she sold Eat, Pray, Love. When she sold the movie, she still was teaching in a college. She did not quit teaching, that consistent income, until she knew that her creativity on its own could fund the life that she had without putting pressures. Because a lot of times people go, okay, I'm gonna make my art may be my paycheck, but then you start to change the art so that it's what sells versus what's in your heart, right? And so when you are talking about being curious and figuring out what that is, it's, it's kind of like there's a patience to it, and we can't, we can't put that pressure on it too soon before it's ready. But she also talks about, in that book, is that ideas want to be born, and they come to you, and if you don't act on them, they will go to someone else, and that's why two people across the planet can come up with the same idea at the same time and work on it, and one person takes their time and quits, and then it's like, I had that idea, yeah, but it left (inaudible). Kevin Carton 22:52  Exactly. Lesley Logan 22:52  Yeah. It wanted to be born. Okay, so you're just full of so much knowledge and something that really attracted me when I was looking at what you talk about a lot, you have a couple things that I'm wondering, if you want to, if you have time, which one you want to talk about more, the power of a clear vision, or the four levels of consciousness. Which one is on your heart to share? Kevin Carton 22:53  Oh, I mean, both are equally powerful, right?Lesley Logan 23:08  Depends on how quick you are. Kevin Carton 23:16  Yeah, no, let's get to both, actually, because the first is very straightforward, very easy to just piggyback off of everything we've already talked about. A vision in my definition of it, and working with it with my clients, is a vision statement that's a written out version of the life you'd love to live that is detailed, specific, clear, with emotion and just big. You know, what you would really love, not limited by current circumstance. And when you write it out in that way, and I mean present tense, not I will, or I'm going to, I am, and fill in the blank, you know, I'm so grateful, I'm so happy, I'm so proud and and I have this business. I've written this book because once we get clear and we actually write it out, it becomes more of a declaration, then for us to become, you know, it's a great tool to actually being it until you see it, because as we write out our dreams, we then can come back to it again and again. Because how often, you know, life goes on and we have responsibilities and other things going on in life that take our attention away, and then we forget about the big dream, and it's a month later, it's like, wait a minute, I was really on fire for that for a few days or a week, what happened to it? The tool of the vision statement, is really powerful to just to recheck in. So that's my brief blurb about it, and it's incredible.Lesley Logan 24:29  I love that, and I agree on the I am statements, I think that they're extremely powerful. And I think the more we say them out loud and hear ourselves say them out loud, that's really powerful, too. And I think you have to say it several times, because it changes the more you say it. That's really great. I also like your interpretation of like, how to write down your vision statement. I think that that's really fun. That's going to be a homework assignment for me. Kevin Carton 24:51  Yeah, try it out. It's fun. Lesley Logan 24:52  Okay. The other one was the four levels of consciousness. What's, what are those?Kevin Carton 24:56  So, four levels. First is that it's all in the perspective of how is life showing up for me, or how am I experiencing life? So the first and lowest level of consciousness, which is victimhood, is life is happening to me. I'm at effect and I blame others. I blame the economy, I blame the government, I blame my ex, I blame my parents, I blame all except for myself. It's like life is happening to me, and I'm not the problem everything else is, and it's such a low state of consciousness because we're not actually connected with the truth that we have the power within to determine what meaning we take on for our life or what circumstance mean to us. Yeah, that's well studied in psychology. That's not just like some fun thing to say. It's actually well researched, supported in many peer-reviewed journals, that our perception creates the meaning that we experience in life. It's not the actual event. One great, quick book to dive deeper into that topic, Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl. Incredibly powerful, so moving, and his story, you know, is, just for anyone who has not read it or heard of it, he was a refugee from Nazi Germany. He was in a concentration camp. He survived. But there was one moment he had which basically created the rest of his work for the rest of his life. One moment where basically, they, he was in such terrible conditions that the one last thing he had, which was like a gold wedding band, which the Nazis just didn't take away at that time, until, like they found it months later, they finally demanded that from him. His first instinct was like to hate them, to get angry. But he found this place within himself, which was a pause between the actual circumstance and then his response and his choice of how he was going to place meaning on that exact circumstance, probably the most difficult thing that anyone can face, right? And that place, actually, that place he found within himself created his whole work, which is called the logos therapy. And so it's, dig in, well study that. Again, it's our own choice. So it's a choice to stay in victimhood, which ultimately will just diminish our life over time, which no one wants, obviously, deep down. So at the first level of consciousness, we want to move out of. To bridge to the second level of consciousness, it's simple, we take responsibility for how we respond, for our own thoughts, our own actions, our own words. And once you take responsibility, you increase your consciousness to the awareness, or that phase of awareness called the, that life is happening by me. And now you're not just sitting on the sidelines. You're engaged. You recognize that your thoughts, your actions, have meaning and create differences in the world, and so you start to create what you want. However, that is still in a degree limited, because we're still only focused on our own personal self. And it comes back to the point we mentioned earlier, that, you know, we're living in this world with eight plus billion other humans and many, many other life forms on this planet. So it's not just for one of us. It's really for all. What we're doing is in benefit for all as well. And that moves us up to the third level of consciousness, which is life is happening through me. It's not by me anymore, but now, life is happening through me, meaning I have a part to play in this grand play called life, because I'm alive, and so I don't have just a separateness between me and the other person or me and that flower or me and the sun. It's all one life happening, and it's this, again, a symphony. And so as we step into that kind of flow, it literally becomes like a flow, like a river. And so things start to work out more easily when we recognize that we're connected with this source of energy, life, power that we can tap into. And then magic starts to happen, because the move from the by me phase to the through me phase of life is we let go of control, which is a difficult one.Lesley Logan 28:47  Yeah, I'm a teacher who studies the art of control, that's a Pilates (inaudible) actually was called contrology. Yes, it's called the art of control. It's a study of control, right? And so every Pilates instructor, or people often who are like, attracted to Pilates is like, this perfectionist, like, control, like, type A person. And the hilariousness is, is that the more I studied the way that Joe Pilates intended it was about curiosity and just figuring out, like, what can I do, what is possible? So it's really funny, because I came into it like, Oh, I gotta get perfect at it, and then I'm perfect and I got it. And then the more I did it, the more I realize, oh, actually, every day is a different day in my body. And yes, I need to control my body, but I need to let go of what the controlling the scenario that's happening today, because my body is different today than tomorrow, right? Kevin Carton 29:30  Yeah, yeah, my word shifts which it's, it's spot on, I'm thrilled you gave that example, because that's so profound and probably helpful for someone listening, who's into Pilates, right? Because it is, it seems like a lot about control, but I think would you, basically, what I picked up from your, what your words were, is that, yes, it's about controlling, like your body, but it's more about the responsibility about your body. Of like, yes, I'm taking responsibility of my actions in that, but it's letting go of control of like, yeah, what's going on in the day? Maybe my body feels different than from yesterday to today. So that's where you let go of control, but the responsibility piece is there as well. That's how I see it. Lesley Logan 30:07  I love this. This is great. I feel like we can do Pilates and consciousness workshops. Kevin Carton 30:13  Nice. That would be awesome. Lesley Logan 30:17  Amazing, amazing. Okay, and so is there one more level? Like after. Kevin Carton 30:21  Yeah, this one's a fun one, because it's more of experiences that you can have. I personally don't make this as like a goal or an aspiration to live in this phase of awareness. I set my goal to live in the third phase of awareness, the through me phase. But the fourth and final phase of awareness is as me, where life is now happening, as me, where there's actually no separation between me and this entirety of the universe. This is the mystic experience that most people speak about, like mystics, gurus, sages, messiahs, that there's this oneness and there's this deep knowing. And I like to say it's an experience, because most people don't want to set that as like a life goal. That's more of like those who want to, like, become a monk and renounce all worldly desires. And funny enough, for two weeks of my life, I actually had that desire, but I let it go pretty quickly.Lesley Logan 31:10  You know, you can, there are places in Asia where you can go be a monk for like, three weeks or four weeks or whatever. Kevin Carton 31:17  I did not know that.Lesley Logan 31:18  And then, people, yes. So I know people who, like, once a year, spend a month as a monk, and I think that that's incredible. I couldn't do it. I think would depend on the type of, well, first of all, I'm a female and not, so often, not an option. But a lot of monks only eat once a day, right? It's a whole thing. So there is a way to experience it without having to do it forever. Kevin Carton 31:36  Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Just to, qualifier what it is even that has me experience, right, again, it's that oneness. But as I mentioned, I like to call these portals that we go through in terms of awareness, like from, just a recap, victimhood to that by me phase is we take responsibility. That's the portal we go through. Then from the by me phase to the through me phase, we let go of control. And then this final phase that we go through, the portal we go through is completely dissolving separateness, and that's why it's more of an experience to have, not really like a, for most of us, it could be some that they would want to attain that fully and completely in their life and live that. But most people have those experiences, like in deep meditation, in connection with nature, potentially even in certain exercises, like, when you're really in touch with your body, there's this oneness, not only with yourself, but with all, with all life. But the funny thing is, the most common experience of the as me phase is through orgasm between two human beings.Lesley Logan 32:33  Really? So people can experience it, yeah, they can experience it now. Kevin Carton 32:38  Yeah, 100% yeah. It's actually, in some ways, common, right? We just don't often think of it as this spiritual experience, because, at least, like, sex and that whole topic has just gotten quite muddied in a way, you know, like, just not in as pure, and I'm putting in air quotes because, not anything of like, you know, what I might say is, like, pure or anything, but who's to have that definition? But it is the most common experience in as me phase. Lesley Logan 33:02  Cool. So I guess my only question on this is, is it possible to, like, get to the by me, maybe into the through me, and then all of a sudden you're back at the to me, because I feel like there can be days where you're just like, oh my God, and then you're reacting, and then you're blaming and then you're like, who, what the hell is this person? I don't know this person. And then you have to, like, go back, and so maybe the quicker you get to getting back to the by me and through me is the key. Kevin Carton 33:27  That's the goal. Yeah, it's not about perfection, because we're human, so we're flawed, we're not going to be perfect. And there's a law of the universe called the Law of Rhythm. We all work with it and know it and experience it every single day, with the night and the day, like the light and the darkness that we experience. It's the round of our breath, the inhale, the exhale. There's that rhythm, the ebb and the flow of the tides of the ocean, right? It's within all things, the same thing with our consciousness. It's, I believe, naive to think that we're going to stay in one phase of awareness constantly for the rest of our life. Almost impossible. I'm not saying it's impossible, because I believe anything's possible, but more likely, we're just going to go through rhythms and times where we're more connected, more aware, and then we fall asleep, just like we need rest, you know, in a given day, like we fall asleep, so we need that in consciousness as well. Lesley Logan 34:14  Oh, Kevin, I could talk to you all day. This is so fascinating. I really, I didn't even know that you could have science and spirituality in the same, like, I really am blown away and excited. We're gonna take, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Lesley Logan 34:28  All right, Kevin, where do you hang out? Where can people stalk you in the best way?Kevin Carton 34:33  Sure, the two places I hang out the most. My website is kevincarton.com it's a kind of a hub for, like, different resources I have, as well as the main place I hang out, my podcast with my brother. I'm very blessed to say I've been running this podcast with my brother for five and a half years. He's my co-host and my closest friend. He's my older brother. He's a year and a half older than me. We created it. It's called Science and Spirituality, which you can find anywhere.Lesley Logan 34:58  Oh, I'm gonna download it now, this is going to be exciting. You're gonna be on my ears more. You have an amazing gift for our peeps, and you have some Be It Action Items for us. So can you give us all the good stuff?Kevin Carton 35:09  Yeah, I'd be happy to and thank you for the ability to share this with your audience, too. So I have a meditation called the metacognition meditation. Metacognition is just a technical psychological term, or psychology term for this tool of noticing what you're noticing. It's the most profound tool I, spiritual tool, I've ever come across to help you connect with who you really are as a spiritual being having this human experience. And, to connect it with our conversation, I really believe it's a great tool to help yourself listen in and get curious for what your purpose is, what your true desires are, when you actually get in touch with who you really are. So it's a 23 minute guided meditation. Might sound a bit long for those who may not be a regular meditator, but it's a guided meditation. So I'd have beautiful music behind there, and I guide you through every step of the way. And it's really powerful. So it's completely free. And, obviously, there's a link in the show notes that Lesley and her team puts there.Lesley Logan 36:05  Oh yeah, it's gonna be there. And also, 23 minutes is less than 2% of your day, everyone, just less than 2% and it's really important to move your body, yes, but also it's important to be with your body. And some days we can't move. And so sitting still and listening to this, and even if you don't sit still, I think that probably that's something to notice. Oh, I can't wait. I'm excited. Brad's gonna be excited, too. He let's see him not tap his foot for 23 minutes. We'll see how that goes. Okay, Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or target steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Kevin Carton 36:39  Yes. So my main tool I use, which actually is a kind of a piggyback off of this whole conversation too, clearly, as you could tell, I often come back to just the source of all life as an inspirational like jumping off point of the foundation. So I personally use gratitude as a practice for being it until I see it in a couple of different levels. But the first and foremost, pretty obvious level, is just gratitude for what's going on in life right now, to focus on the positive, the good things you have in your life right now, to build this solid foundation of loving or enjoying your aspects of your life to a great degree so you can attract more of that. And then the second level of gratitude to connect to, which I believe comes from that connection with our higher power, is a gratitude for being alive today and the opportunity that we have to even dream of what we would love to be in the future. And then once we have that clarity and gratitude for even just the possibility, then the third level of gratitude of actually being grateful for what we say we want or who we say we want to be now, as if it's already ours. And as speaking of science, I always love the science to this. Scientific studies prove now that if we just imagine vividly enough something we would love to experience, or who we would love to be, our brains neurons light up in the exact same way as if we were actually experiencing said thing. This is actually you look this up pro golfers, and it's becoming more popular in pro football, but golfing, it's been around for decades as a very strong practice, but now just supported by a lot of scientific research. So I recommend that as a practice, because it works with our physiology very well, and it stimulates what now is called neuroplasticity. A lot of people might know that. So, gratitude is the key to work with there. Lesley Logan 38:24  Who knew? I mean, that is so cool. You know, like, my favorite things to remember about gratitude is, like, gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space. And so as a practice, whenever I'm feeling judgmental of myself for an experience or whatever, I like, to take a moment and I'm like, okay, hold on. I'm grateful for this right now. And also you can feel that judgment disappear. And sometimes it's like, one of the easiest ways to then, to me, to take another set, to look at, like, what is going on, so that I'm not a victim and the thing, so, what a cool tool. We've had over 500 episodes, and I'm not sure that gratitude was used in that way, or at all, in a Be It Action Item. So, thank you for blowing our minds. I think you're just so awesome. Kevin Carton 39:03  You're welcome. Thank you. Lesley Logan 39:04  You're so wonderful. This is a saver, for sure. There's so many different little avenues I want to dig into more. So I can't wait to hear what our listeners' takeaways were. So please, you guys, tag Kevin, tag the Be It Pod, share this with a friend who needs it. Share it with a friend who you feel like is kind of sticking in that, that victimhood thing, it's hard. They don't, they might not listen to all of your suggestions. So maybe they can listen to Kevin tell them, and they could be blown away as much as I am. And you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 39:33  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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