Podcasts about Consubstantiation

Can steering lead you to the sin of lust? Are Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation different? Are Jews the chosen people? Don't miss on this episode of Open Line Thursday with Fr. Gerald Murray.

Necromancy, witching a well, St. Lucifer are only some of the topics in today's Open Line Monday with Fr. John Trigilio.

Necromancy, witching a well, St. Lucifer are only some of the topics in today's Open Line Monday with Fr. John Trigilio.

"If it's just a symbol...to hell with it!"--preaching series on the Eucharist 3 of 5  (John 6: 41-51) 19th Sunday OTb   Fr. Steve continues his preaching series on the Eucharist and opens up the understanding of Transubstantiation and the non-Catholic viewpoints.

Title: The Four Main Views of the Lord's Supper Text: Various; I Corinthians 10 and 11 FCF: We often struggle with the significance and benefits of the Lord's Supper to us. Prop: Because only the spiritual presence view incorporates the widest breadth of scripture, we affirm the spiritual presence view of the Lord's Supper. Scripture Intro: [Slide 1] Turn in your bible to I Corinthians 11. In a moment I'll read the text starting in verse 23 from the Legacy Standard Bible. You can follow along on page 1294 of the pew bible or in whatever version you prefer. Today we will celebrate our first Lord's Supper of the year. Because it is our first this year, and because we have a few new members and regular attenders it is wise for us to state very plainly what our position is on the Lord's Supper. Not all Christendom sees the Lord's Supper the same way. Today I will endeavor to survey the landscape, defining the key characteristics of each view and finally lead us to where we as a church have come. Today we won't be exegeting a single passage, but will instead be drawing truth from various passages. Have a pen ready to take the passages down as many of them I will only reference. But a great place for us to read and refer to later will be I Corinthians 11. Please stand with me to honor and focus on the reading of the Word of God. Transition: As is true more often than not, we have a lot to get to today, so let's get to it. What is the first main view of the Lord's Supper? I.) [Slide 2] What is transubstantiation? a. Transubstantiation - prefix trans which means to change and substantiation meaning substance. i. The belief in transubstantiation is that the bread and wine used in the Lord's Supper changes in its essence or substance to be the actual physical body and blood of Jesus. ii. It is mystical in that it defies the senses. Although it smells, feels, sounds, tastes and looks like bread and wine, it is in fact the flesh and blood of Jesus. iii. In John 6:32-58 Jesus tells his disciples and others who are listening that in order to be his disciples they would need to eat his flesh and drink his blood. iv. In the accounts of the first Lord's Supper, Jesus holds up the bread and says this is my body. He holds up the cup and says this is the new covenant in my blood. b. [Slide 3] Who believes this in Christendom? i. Primarily the Roman Catholic Church holds to this view. ii. Orthodox Christians hold to a real physical presence of Christ in the elements but basically refuse to comment on exactly how that works, other than it being mystical. c. [Slide 4] What are some other items about this view that should be included to understand it? i. The benefits of the Lord's Supper for Roman Catholics: 1. The Roman Catholic church leans heavily on Thomas Aquinas' theory of the Meritorious atonement of Christ. Christ has earned God's grace by His life and death and has given ways for His church to receive from that merit bank. 2. Those baptized in the Roman Catholic church dwell in a state of grace from which they can fall from or grow in based on their works. In sins venial and grave they lose ground in their state of grace. In performance of sacraments, confession, penance, giving of alms and more, they can receive more merit from Christ or grace, to maintain or improve in their state of grace. 3. Once a Roman Catholic dies, they are ushered to a temporary punitive existence in purgatory, where they earn the remainder of merit they need in order to be made righteous enough to enter heaven. 4. Therefore, for the Roman Catholic, the Lord's Supper is absolutely essential for salvation. So much so that to forgo it is to deny Christ Himself. 5. According to the council of Trent, grace is conferred upon a person ex opere operato which is Latin for “from the work performed.” a. Meaning that the sacrament is the instrumental cause of God's grace being given. Grace is always conferred by the sacrament as long as it is properly administered. b. Since Trent Catholic teachers have tried to put caveats on this requiring proper disposition from the person coming for the sacrament so they can receive the fruit of the sacrament. i. Being of the proper disposition is based on fasting, having gone to confession for grave sins, and coming in perfect contrition. ii. The fruit of the sacraments includes the forgiveness of sins. iii. This again drives home the point underlying Catholic theology – grace is not really about growing in the Lord – it is always about maintaining or re-attaining the status of righteous. iv. Roman Catholic theology teaches that at baptism we are made righteous and the battle from then on is to keep ourselves that way through participation in the sacraments given by the Roman Catholic Church. v. Thus, to be in the proper disposition has little to do with faith in God and more to do with faith that God changed the substance of the bread and wine into Jesus' body and blood. 6. So, to summarize the benefits of the Supper for a Roman Catholic, partaking of the Eucharist, regardless of their personal faith confers the merit of Christ which raises their position in God's economy and shortens the time needed to make them worthy to enter His Kingdom. ii. [Slide 5] According to Pope Gregory the Great, in every mass Christ is sacrificed afresh: 1. In the Roman Catholic view, they would also teach that the Lord's Supper is an unbloody sacrifice. This means that Christ being present physically is sacrificed anew for them. 2. This, they would say, does not mean that Christ's original sacrifice was not enough. They would teach that just as the Passover lamb was killed the day before it was eaten, so there are two parts to this sacrifice. One where Christ dies physically, and another where he is sacrificed again and again so we can eat of Him. d. [Slide 6] What are some problems with this view? i. Are the bread and wine actually transformed into Jesus' literal physical flesh and blood? 1. What of eating human flesh and drinking human blood in scripture? a. In John 6 when Jesus said you have to eat my flesh and drink my blood, non-believing disciples' leave in disgust. Catholics would say that they leave because He spoke literally. But the Old Testament forbids cannibalism and blood drinking. b. The bible speaks of cannibalism always as a curse to the person eating it – not on the person being eaten. c. In Leviticus 7:26-27, none shall drink any blood. Or they will be cut off. Again, it is the person drinking the blood that will be cut off. 2. [Slide 7] Let's look at the two main texts. a. Let's start with John 6. i. Since the bible clearly forbids cannibalism and blood drinking, we must look for an alternative explanation. ii. Did Jesus ever say anything else counter to Old Testament law that he clearly meant figuratively? 1. Did he not advise people who sinned with their eyes to gouge them out? 2. Did he not advise people to hate their fathers and mothers? 3. Take up your cross (kill yourself) and follow me. iii. Is it truly a stretch for Jesus to have meant a spiritual feeding in John 6? I think not. In fact, it really is the only meaning since both are forbidden in the Old Testament. b. [Slide 8] When Christ says this IS my body i. If we must apply this literally than Jesus is also a door, a shepherd, a vine, a fountain of living water, and a light. ii. Furthermore, there are passages like Psalm 34:8 which talk about tasting God and even in I Peter 2 where we drink milk from God's breasts. iii. Jesus' point in all of these seems to be metaphorical to express His Spiritual provision for His people. 3. [Slide 9] Is Christ truly human? How can His flesh and blood occupy two places at once without being separated? a. If Christ is Fully man and fully God and both natures were joined but not mixed as the early creeds say, then Jesus' divine nature could not leak into His human nature allowing His human nature to be omnipresent. b. So how can Jesus be present with God the Father and also present with us at each mass? It is only possible if you disregard the Athanasian Creed and the Chalcedon Definition – both of which the Roman Catholic church Affirm. ii. [Slide 10] Must we earn Christ's merit to maintain or re-achieve the status of righteous? 1. Romans 4:5-6 says our faith is counted as righteousness and that God counts us righteous apart from works. In other words, our works, our deeds, have nothing to do with our status before God as righteous. We stand as righteous because we are united to Christ by faith. 2. Romans 3:22 – righteousness of God is through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. 3. I Peter 2:24 says that Christ died so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness… which initially sounds like we must maintain or keep it up… but then he says, “By His wounds… you HAVE BEEN healed.” Meaning that we live to righteousness while simultaneously being healed from sin. 4. Romans 5:8-10 – While we were enemies Christ reconciled us to God by His death… and now that we are reconciled we will be saved by HIS life. 5. It seems as though our standing before God is not dependent on a constant supply of grace to keep us there. It is a declared verdict that God has given all who believe in Christ. iii. [Slide 11] Is the Lord's Supper a re-sacrifice of Christ in any way? 1. A covenant or testament is like a will of one who died. Death happens once and then the will is applied. How silly would it be to have to meet with the lawyers daily to reup the will. 2. The New covenant was instituted in Christ's blood. It does not need to be renewed or redone in any way ever again. It is, as Christ said, finished. e. [Slide 12] Summary of the Point: In case it wasn't glaringly apparent, we as protestant, evangelical, Reformed leaning, independent Baptists would have a lot of problems with the Transubstantiation view. Not just in the nature of the elements of the table, but even in what is happening in the sacrament itself and how it is conveyed to those who partake. So, if you hold to this view, we'd ask that you refrain from partaking of the Lord's Supper until you can settle the matter fully in your heart. I'm always available to discuss this if you have questions. II.) [Slide 13] What is consubstantiation? a. Consubstantiation - con meaning with and substantiation meaning substance. i. In this view the real physical presence of Christ's flesh and blood are joined in, with, and under the bread and the cup. ii. In dealing with the issue of Christ's human body being locally present in heaven, this view would say that God the Son communicates His divine attribute of omnipresence to his human nature in that Christ is able to be physically present everywhere and everywhen. iii. One advocate of this view likened it unto a sponge. The bread and the wine are the sponge and the physical presence of Christ's flesh and blood are the water. Though to eat one you have the other, they are not joined together, one is merely contained within it. b. [Slide 14] Who in Christendom believes this and where did it come from? i. Primarily Lutheran and Episcopalian churches adhere to this, although they would probably quibble with the terminology. ii. Martin Luther is the founder of this view. c. [Slide 15] What are some other items included in this view that would help us to understand it? i. Like Roman Catholics they would say it is ex opere operato – the sign confers the grace without respect of the one receiving it. ii. Also like the Roman Catholics it is a means of saving grace: 1. Meaning that to partake of the Lord's Supper would be to receive from Christ remission of sins through the Supper itself. 2. They equate the supper to the gospel. iii. They would strongly reject the idea that Christ is being re-sacrificed. 1. Even though they affirm that our sins are remitted by the flesh and blood of Christ at the sacrament meal, they emphatically deny the Roman teaching that Christ must be re-sacrificed. 2. They do this stating very plainly that Jesus' atonement was sufficient to forgive sin once for all. d. [Slide 16] What are some problems with this view? i. Arguments against the physical presence endure. They actually voice the teaching of the communication of the divine attributes upon the human nature. Thus, they mingle the two natures which is against the early creeds. ii. Is the Lord's Supper truly forgiving sins? We spoke at length that this is not how Justification works. iii. There is also an obvious contradiction of denying a re-sacrifice but affirming it being a fresh remitting of sin. e. [Slide 17] Summary of the Point: As we close out this position it becomes clear that as much as Lutherans attempt to find some separation from the Roman Catholic view, many of the same problems endure. So, if you hold to this view, we'd ask that you refrain from partaking of the Lord's Supper until you can settle the matter fully in your heart. I'm always available to discuss this if you have questions. III.) [Slide 18] What is the Memorial view? a. The memorial view is the first of the 4 views to abandon the physical presence of Jesus in the elements. i. The memorial view denies that Christ is physically present in the elements themselves. ii. This view is attributed to the statement Jesus makes when he says “Do this in remembrance of me” in Mark 14; Luke 22; and I Corinthians 11. iii. This view would see the statements that Jesus makes about the bread being his body as mere symbolic language to speak of His atonement at the cross. b. [Slide 19] Who in Christendom believes this and where did it originate? i. Most evangelical, non-denominational, and Baptist churches. ii. This view is associated best with Huldrych Zwingli. Although recently Zwingli's beliefs have been seen through his writings to reflect a more nuanced position than this. Nevertheless, he is associated with this view's primary originator. c. [Slide 20] What are some other items we must know in order to understand this view? i. The Lord is not present in the meal itself 1. There is no presence of Christ in the elements themselves. 2. As God's people gather together, He is among them. We certainly all have the Spirit of God dwelling with us, and we have Jesus' promise to be with us until the end of the age. 3. However, in the memorial view there is no special presence of Jesus with His people in the Supper itself. ii. [Slide 21] The Lord's Supper is NOT a means of grace. 1. Although Zwingli would not agree with this as its founder, the memorial view has become a view that not only denies any presence of Jesus in the meal, but also denies that the Lord's Supper is a means of grace. 2. In the memorial view, there is no inherent benefit to taking the Lord's Supper beyond the benefits conveyed by simple remembrance of the Lord's atoning work. iii. [Slide 22] There is no re-sacrificing of Christ because Christ is not present with us in the meal. iv. [Slide 23] The Lord's Supper is a pictorial reminder of the atonement 1. The bread broken and chewed represents how his body was broken and mangled. 2. The wine spilled freely is representative of his blood which flowed for our remission of sins at the cross. d. [Slide 24] What are some problems with this view? i. It is a large step away from much of Christendom in several ways 1. It is the only view that denies the presence of Christ in the elements. 2. It is the only view that denies that it is a means of grace. ii. It tends to trivialize the Lord's Supper as merely symbolic. 1. The significance of a meal is utterly lost in the pictorial reminder. 2. It divorces the meal from its original Passover roots. iii. It fails to deal with some significant passages which indicate that the meal is more than merely symbolic and dealing with what those symbols actually represent. e. [Slide 25] Summary of the Point: All four of these views were borne out of the Reformation. It is worth noting that this view is by far the most extreme deviation from the Roman Catholic view… AND… it has gotten even more extreme in the years following the reformation. While having fewer serious problems with the view, and not having any teaching that seems to directly oppose scripture, it still falls short. At our church we would not reject or deny the memorial view, even in its extreme present-day form. We would simply say that the memorial view is unsatisfactory in dealing with the whole of scripture on, and too quickly dismisses historical church doctrine regarding the Lord's Supper. If you fiercely hold to the memorial view, I would still encourage you to refrain from partaking in the Lord's Supper today. Not because you hold to a false view, but because you may want to put more time and thought into our position, especially after hearing the fourth option. IV.) [Slide 26] What is the Spiritual Presence view? a. This view would affirm that Jesus is present with His church in the bread and the wine. i. Serving as an intermediary view of the Lord's Supper between Luther and Zwingli, this view does not reject the presence of Christ in the elements of the table. ii. However, it does as the name suggests, reject the real presence of Christ's human nature at the Lord's Supper. iii. The view supposes that Christ is present in a spiritual way with His people in the bread and juice or wine. b. [Slide 27] Who in Christendom believes this and where did it come from? i. Presbyterians, Baptists, and Pentecostals. ii. It was put forward by John Calvin and Heinrich Bullinger 1. The fullest expression of this view is found in a document called the Consensus Tigurinus aka the Consensus of Zurich. 2. After Zwingli died Heinrich Bullinger took up his mantle. 3. In 1549 Bullinger and Calvin attempted to come together with one another on their views of the Lord's Supper since they seemed much closer to one another than to Luther. 4. After writing back and forth a few times, eventually they published this consensus position on the Lord's Supper in 1551. 5. It is an excellent read and makes some amazing points. I'd strongly encourage you to read an English translation of the document. You can find that online with a simple search for it. c. [Slide 28] What are some other things we should know about this view to understand it? i. First, we must understand that although Presbyterians, Baptists, and Pentecostals have a spiritual presence understanding of the Lord's Supper, there is considerable variance as to what that spiritual presence means. 1. As we might guess, in Pentecostal churches they expect physical healing to come through the Lord's Supper. 2. Some may see the body and blood of our Savior as particularly spiritually effective and misunderstand it to mean that they are still consuming the spiritual essence of his body and blood. As if his body and blood in and of themselves were somehow beneficial to us. ii. As the memorial position does, this view denies the re-sacrifice of Christ. Christ's atonement was once for all. iii. Also like the memorial position, this view recognizes that the Lord's Supper is a memorial. We remember what Christ has done for us in this event. iv. Unlike the memorial view this position does affirm the Lord's Supper as a means of grace. However, unlike transubstantiation and consubstantiation this view does not suggest that the Lord's Supper is a means of saving grace but rather a means of sanctifying grace. 1. [Slide 29] The penalty of all of a believer's sins has been paid for by the work of Christ on the cross. 2. We could never and have no need of earning Christ's continued merit in order to put ourselves in a better position with God. We are declared righteous, meaning when God sees us, He sees His Son. 3. However, to be declared righteous is a legal verdict and not a complete present reality. The reformers said we were simultaneously justified and yet still a sinner. 4. [Slide 30] We are still growing in righteousness and continuing to turn from sin. 5. Our ongoing growth in becoming more like Christ is a continual battle whereby we must draw on God's grace for help in time of need. (Heb 4:17) 6. Therefore, the Lord chose the sign of a meal, in which our body gains physical strength, to communicate a spiritual truth to His people. We are sustained and strengthened by Him and His atonement. 7. Therefore, although our body eats a physical sign, God in that sign meets us with the spiritual truth of it. He feeds us on the body of Christ and the blood of Christ. 8. But not the physical flesh and blood. There is nothing inherently beneficial to us in the physical body and blood of Jesus. But what His physical flesh and blood accomplished for us spiritually in the atonement, is overwhelmingly beneficial and continues to feed our souls as we grow in grace. 9. The book of Hebrews explains how the body of Christ was split in two, like the curtain, so that we may have ongoing access to the presence of God. The writer of Hebrews also says that the blood sprinkles us clean so that we may go before God's presence as purely washed sons and daughters. 10. And so, in essence we connect the spiritual truths and spiritual presence of Christ in the meal together. We come to spiritually be sustained on the presence, mercy, and grace of God which is all accomplished for us by the body and blood of Jesus. v. [Slide 31] Unlike the Transubstantiation and consubstantiation view this view does not see God obligated to give grace as long as the sacrament is administered properly. 1. Such feeding is only available to those who are truly God's children. 2. Such feeding is freely given by God in the sense that He is the sole dispensary. a. Meaning of course that it is not the mechanical ex opere operato of the Supper that ensures God gives them grace – but rather God decides in what supply and when His grace is dispensed to help His dear children grow and sustain them. b. We see Paul was told that God's grace was sufficient for Him… meaning God can say at times – you have enough. vi. Unlike the Memorial view, this view concludes that it cannot be a mere memorial. It must be more. 1. [Slide 32] Such feeding unites us in fellowship to Christ. I Corinthians 10. a. Paul tells the Corinthians to cease their practice of going to pagan temples to get a free meal at their worship services. b. Although they are concluding that such gods do not exist, Paul reminds them that these pagan gods are actually demons leading people astray. c. He tells them that by eating at their worship feasts they are partnering with, fellowshipping with, or uniting themselves to the demons. d. He then draws a correlation to the Lord's Supper. e. When we eat the bread are we not uniting with the body of Christ? When we drink the wine are we not uniting with the blood of Christ? f. Just like eating food at worship festivals of demons unites us to demons, so also eating the bread and drinking the wine at the Lord's Supper unites us to Christ. g. If the meal were a mere memorial, such truths would make no sense at all. 2. Such feeding is dangerous to those who abuse it. I Corinthians 11. a. Paul is correcting some fairly egregious behavior in the Corinthian church regarding the Lord's Supper. b. The rich are selfishly eating all the food and getting drunk on all the wine before the poorer believers even arrived. c. Such selfish behavior lacking love for one another communicates not only a misunderstanding of the Lord's Supper but even indicates that such people may not be genuine believers at all. d. Paul warns that each person should test themselves, judge themselves, to see whether they are worthy to partake of the Lord's Supper. Paul is not advocating sinless perfection, but rather testing and judging whether or not we are truly God's children. e. If we are not – then God may punish us with sickness or even death. These punishments are designed to save His true children from the ultimate condemnation at the end of days. f. Once again – if the Lord's Supper was a raw symbol, only a memorial, why are there physical and spiritual consequences to doing it improperly. d. [Slide 33] What are some problems with this view? i. This position relies on a systematic understanding of what the whole bible says regarding signs with redemptive meaning. Thus, it can be a little difficult to see it clearly taught in one passage of scripture. ii. Unlike the memorial position, this view still has a good deal of mystery and spiritual meaning that can leave those who participate to feel as though they are dealing with something that is somewhat mystical. iii. Neither of these problems are incredibly problematic. e. [Slide 34] Summary of the Point: Overall, the spiritual presence view accommodates and incorporates the whole of scripture not just concerning the Lord's Supper but on salvation, justification, sanctification, and how God meets with us and helps us to be what He desires us to be. It is to this view that our church adheres. There is a lot more context to our decision to adopt this view. I simply don't have time to get to all that. I have preached several messages on the Lord's Supper and they are all collated in a playlist on Youtube called “The Lord's Supper.” I'd encourage you to go back and view those chronologically. It should give you a well-rounded understanding of our progression to this view. Conclusion: So CBC, what have we learned today and how shall we live? Can we compile all this into a doctrinal takeaway? Doctrinal Takeaway: [Slide 35] Although we admittedly went through each view of the Lord's Supper from a very high level, we can reasonably conclude that when analyzing the full breadth of the scriptures not only on the sacrament but also regarding the doctrines core to salvation, the spiritual presence view is the best view of them all. Therefore, we as a church ascribe to its teachings, not because Calvin taught it, not because Bullinger taught it, but because the scriptures clearly testify to it being what the Lord intended and the church received as the proper understanding and practice of the Lord's Supper. But let me improve upon this in some specific ways to help us today. 1.) [Slide 36] Mind Transformation: “What truth must we believe?” or “What might we not naturally believe that we must believe about the Lord's Supper?” We must believe that the Lord Jesus communes with us in a special way in the Lord's Supper. a. Perhaps you are here today and you have never truly thought about the Lord's Supper in this way. b. I think on average in our culture we tend error on the side of not thinking deep enough rather than thinking too deeply. c. But based on the scripture we have presented today and the understanding by comparison to other views, we must confess together that Jesus Christ is present and communing with us at the meal in a special way. d. True He is always with us. But in this meal, He comes to us in the bread and the juice bringing the redemptive achievements that His body and blood won for us. e. We eat this meal with Him only because He has made it possible for us to do so. f. We eat this meal with one another as a body of people whom He has purchased with His blood and saved with His torn body. g. In this meal He feeds us on His redemption. He feeds us on His atonement. He connects us to His Father. He infuses us with what we need to live as He has commanded us. h. As believers we survive on the daily eating of the Word of God… who is Jesus. We survive on the daily drinking from God's word, like a tree planted by water, so we drink from the living water, the vine who connects us to nourishment through His blood. i. And so, as we eat the body of Christ we remember how His body was torn so we might approach God. As we drink His blood we remember how His blood was spilled to sign a will and testament which took effect once He died. He bequeathed all He had to His Bride. j. And eating and drinking in faith, the Lord meets us there and builds our faith and feeds our souls. k. This is no mere symbol my friends. There is much more here than meets the eye. Behold in wonder the depth and richness of the sacrament. And prepare yourselves to be sustained on Christ and His atonement for you! 2.) [Slide 37] Refutation: “What lies must we cast down” or “What do we naturally believe, or have been taught to believe about the Lord's Supper that is false?” We must deny that the Lord's Supper is necessary for salvation. a. In denying that this is a means for saving grace, we deny that the Lord's Supper is necessary for salvation. Just as we also deny that Baptism is necessary for salvation. b. The thief on the cross died having not partaken of the Supper or of baptism. Yet he that day joined Christ in paradise. c. So also, there is no element of The Lord's Supper that is contributary to our Justification before God. d. But lest we pendulum swing too far… 3.) [Slide 38] Refutation: “What lies must we cast down” or “What do we naturally believe, or have been taught to believe about the Lord's Supper that is false?” We must deny that the Lord's Supper is unnecessary or optional for believers. a. Although we know that neither sacrament of baptism or the Lord's Supper contributes in any way to our standing before God… we cannot conclude that either sacrament is optional. b. One of the reasons we call it a sacrament is because Jesus affirmed it as a practice that ought to be continued in the church. Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize new believers and He commanded that as often as they have the Lord's Supper that they do so remembering His atonement. c. Therefore, when we encounter a believer who refuses or is apathetic to being baptized or to partaking in the Lord's Supper, there is great cause for concern. d. There is a very real probability that such a person is not truly a believer. e. Obstinate disobedience of and apathy toward Christ's commands are not a characteristic of His followers. f. The Lord's Supper is not optional or unnecessary. And given what we have learned today, I hope you see it as just the opposite. It is absolutely necessary – not to save us – but to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ and in communion with His people. 4.) [Slide 39] Exhortation: “What actions should we take?” or “What must we do that we don't naturally do or aren't currently doing regarding the Lord's Supper?” We must approach the Lord's Supper testing and judging ourselves to be sure that we are truly God's child. a. The warnings in scripture about eating unworthily bring us to this point. b. We all must test and judge ourselves to be sure we are truly God's children as we approach the Table. c. There are three particular kinds of people who ought not approach the table today. i. First, those who are not truly believers. If you have never repented of your sins and believed on Jesus alone for salvation, then you should by no means partake with us this morning. ii. Secondly, those who claim to be of Christ but who are actively unrepentant of a particular sin in their lives. They know what God says, but choose to continue in sin assuming that the Lord will forgive them. Such a person should not approach the table, for they may not be a true believer. iii. Finally, someone who believes that the Lord's Supper contributes in some way to their Justification before God or believes that the meal can wash away sins by simply partaking of it. Such a person reveals that they either do not understand the doctrines of salvation or the Lord's Supper or both. 5.) [Slide 40] De-Exhortation: “What actions should we stop doing” or “What behaviors do we naturally practice that we must stop doing regarding the Lord's Supper?” We must stop allowing sin battles to keep us from the Lord's Supper. a. Even though we must examine ourselves and make sure we are true believers, oftentimes in churches this feels as though we must come before the table as a spotless vessel. b. We have a mad rush to confess all our sin and make sure that there is “nothing between our souls and the Savior.” c. Such a belief is just as guilty of misunderstanding the doctrines of salvation. As a believer there is NEVER anything between you and Jesus. He has borne all your sin and there is now no condemnation in Christ. d. If you are struggling with a sin, feel disconnected from Christ, feel alienated from His church, are beaten down by the world, are in need of great refreshment… my friends that is what this Supper is for! e. It is to sustain you. It is to grow you. It is to encourage you. It is to unite you further to Christ and His people. f. If only the perfect could step to the table, then none could come. But Jesus invites His true people, broken and battered, to come and dine. Are meals for the full and quenched or the empty and thirsty? g. So also, is this meal for us… who are battle worn and suffering from many defeats. h. Come and be renewed! 6.) [Slide 41 (end)] Comfort: “What comfort can we find here?” or “What peace does the Lord promise us in light of the Lord's Supper?” God will Spiritually sustain His children through Christ and will do so in a special way at the Table of the Lord. a. This is my body… which is broken for you! Eat all of it b. This cup is the New Covenant in my blood poured out for many. All of you… drink from it! c. My friends… come and feast. Not on flesh and blood… but on what the incarnate Emmanuel accomplished with His flesh and blood. d. Be sustained by His presence among us in the bread and juice. e. Be encouraged f. Be edified g. Be renewed. h. Come and dine with us. Let me close with a prayer by the Puritan Robert Hawker Dear Lord, surely you are the all in all of everything that is sacred and blessed. You are the altar, the sacrificer, and the sacrifice! And it can only be from your blessing on our poor worship, when we remember your one, all-sufficient sacrifice with a feast, that we discover the deeper spiritual meaning. Until I hear you call, Lord, I cannot eat. But if you say, “Eat, friends; drink – yes, drink abundantly, beloved,” then I feel a confidence in your welcome to every gospel feast. Then I can sit down under your shadow with great delight. Your fruit is sweet to my taste. Come often to your table, dearest Lord, and sit as a king. Everything at the table is yours: the bread of life, the water of life, and the wine of your banquet. Come then, dear Lord! Come to your own banquet, to your church, your table, your house of prayer, your ordinances! Come and bless your people! In Jesus name we pray… Amen! As you walk upstairs for the meal, Do not speak of earthly things, Rather come prepared in your heart for communion with Christ and His people. We'll begin the meal in a few moments.

What does Holy Communion do for the Christian? Why did Jesus command us to eat bread and drink the cup? This four-part series will explore the biblical meaning and source of the Last Supper. Our concern is not what the Bread and Cup are, but why they are important to Christians.

Open Forum – Questions Covered: 02:06 – Will all the people, including the people around the time of Adam and Eve, also be resurrected? 07:44 – Regarding NFP, what is the nature of this practice directed to? Is it for getting pregnant or avoiding pregnancy? 14:17 – I'm struggling with the teachings of Mary, her Assumption and the painlessness of her childbirth. Can you help bring me some peace? 22:58 – Why do Catholics give up meat on Lent but other Christians don't? 29:33 – Can godparents bless their godchildren? 31:26 – Is it okay to listen to Catholic mass online more than once a day? Can one receive spiritual communion more than once a day? 33:40 – Why can you not give an indulgence to another living person? 40:14 – Don't Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation, Transfiguration, Consubstantial all basically mean the same thing? 45:12 – When NFP is undertaken and conception occurs when it will not be implanted, is it justifiable under natural law? 50:26 – My Protestant sister claims that the forgiveness of sins Jn 20:23 is past perfect in the Greek. She implied that this was a commission to all and not an apostolic mandate. Resources Mentioned: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/finding-sacrament-confession-in-biblical-grammar …

[God] has rescued us from the kingdom of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of his Son, who purchased our freedom and forgave our sins. Colossians 1:13-14   [Jesus] is the one who has rescued us from the terrors of the coming judgment. 1 Thessalonians 1:10   This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me. 1 Corinthians 11:25   The Essence of the Lord's Supper   The Lord's Supper is a thankful remembrance of Christ and his death, symbolized by the bread and cup, that nourishes us spiritually, brings us into communion with God and one another, and fills us with joyful anticipation of the glory to come.   1. The Lord's supper is a thankful remembrance of Christ and his death.   2. The Lord's Supper nourishes us spiritually.   Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. John 6:53-57    3. The Lord's Supper brings us into communion with God and one another.   The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation [koinonia, "sharing, communion, fellowship"] in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. 1 Corinthians 10:16-17   But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse. For in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you.... When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat. 1 Corinthians 11:17-18, 20   For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks  judgment on himself. 1 Corinthians 11:29   Walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Ephesians 5:2   4. The Lord's Supper fills us with a joyful anticipation of the glory to come.   Key Errors Concerning the Lord's Supper   1. Transubstantiation   He did not enter heaven to offer himself again and again.... But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.... Christ was offered once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many. Hebrews 9:25-26, 28   2. Consubstantiation   3. The Mere Memorial View   Our Experience of the Lord's Supper    The Lord's Supper is a thankful remembrance of Christ and his death, symbolized by the bread and cup, that nourishes us spiritually, brings us into communion with God and one another, and fills us with joyful anticipation of the glory to come.  

Part 24 Reformation 1 - Martin Luther You may remember that in our series we looked briefly a the split between the Eastern and Western churches. Today we come to a greater split! A split within the Roman Catholic church – the beginnings of the Protestant church! The main person who will look at today is Martin Luther – one of the very giants of church history! . Martin Luther (1483-1546) - Professor of Biblical Studies at Wittenburg University in Germany. Luther tried to find god as an Augustinian monk but he was unable to come to terms with God's righteous demands. He eventually realised that in order to satisfy God's righteous demands, that he could do nothing of his own to fulfil them. He came to see that justification before Almighty God was by faith alone, through grace alone, which was a gift of God. Included in the aftermath of this discovery, were these events! . 95 Theses - statements against indulgences nailed to the castle church door at Wittenburg on 31st October 1517. He rapidly gained a following in Germany, and was aided by the printing press. 1519 - denied the supremacy and infallibility of the Pope and Church. 1520 - excommunicated by Pope Leo X 1521 - Diet of Worms. Luther was outlawed by Emperor Charles V of Spain. He was hidden by friends for 8 months, during which he translated the N.T. into German. 1528 - Diet of Spruger. Each German state allowed to follow the religion of its reigning prince. 1529 - Diet of Speyer. Lutheran states to remain Lutheran and Catholic states to remain Catholic, not allowed to change. Evangelical princes protested at restriction and the Protestant was given to this movement. 1530 - Diet of Augsburg. Protestants submitted statement of belief witch was rejected, but became the basis of Lutheran doctrine. 1547 - War broke out between Catholic and Protestant. This war was won by the Catholics, but Protestantism was finally recognised legally in 1552. Three main truths to come out of the Reformation. Final authority of God's Word. Justification by faith, a gift of God's grace. The priesthood of all believers. . However it should be noted that, wrongly or rightly, Luther still accepted as truth Infant baptism as necessary for salvation. Consubstantiation - a 'real presence' of Christ's body with bread and wine. . Lutheranism quickly spread from Germany to Denmark, Norway and Sweden. . That's it for this time! Next time in our series HAHA, we will continue looking at the great Reformers of the church! Tap or click here to save this as an audio mp3 file

Questions Covered: 03:15 – I see that there’s some questionable quotes in Church History on the Immaculate Conception. Can you help clarify why they seem to contradict the official dogma?  12:17 – On Marian Consecration, why do they use the language of “giving ourselves to Mary” and worshiping her?  17:55 – Why has Judas been condemned since he seemed so remorseful? Why has the Church and even Jesus seem to condemn him?  28:31 – What is the Church’s stance on aliens? Resources: Would Aliens Debunk Christianity? | Dr. Karin Öberg | Catholic Answers Focus  28:31 – What is the Church’s stance on aliens?  36:54 – What is Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation? What did Luther believe?  44:38 – Are people in heaven aware of people who are not there?  51:24 – I heard a theory that Jesus asked Judas to make the biggest sacrifice and turn him in because Jesus loved him the most. What are your thoughts on this theory?  …

At Providence, we practice the Lord's Supper differently than say the Catholic Church down the street or the Lutheran church on the other side of town... but why?In this episode, we explain the four different views of communion—Transubstantiation (Roman Catholic wiew), Consubstantiation (Martin Luther's view), Reformed (John Calvin's view), and Memorialism (Zwingli/Baptist/Our view). For further study on these views, check out this article from The Gospel Coalition.

I answer questions every Friday live on YT at 1 p.m. Pacific time. Wait till the live stream actually starts, post your question with a "Q" at the beginning, and try to check your wording for clarity. I apologize ahead of time if I don't get to your question. I know that can be dissapointing, but we try to prioritize questions I haven't answered before so you might check my website to see if your question has already been addressed in a previous stream. You can do so with the link below, using the "clip search" feature that takes you to specific moments in specific videos. Here's my website with a new clip search feature for finding exactly where in a video a particular issue is addressed. https://BibleThinker.org 1. 0:00 {Only One Way to Evangelize?} Before Jesus left, He gave us the Great Commission: "Go spread the Gospel and make Disciples." Sounds good, I can do that. But since Jesus didn't tell us exactly how to share the Gospel (He just tells us to do it), can we share the Gospel however we want, or do we have to do it a certain way?2. 13:05 {Is Modalism Heresy?} Why is modalism considered such heresy? I think it’s incorrect, but many people question the very salvation of those who hold to this doctrine. How vital to salvation is the correct understanding of the Trinity?3. 16:58 {When You’re Far from God} My heart is hardened, I’m backslidden, a carnal Christian…whatever you want to call it. I am so far from God right now. I want to love Him, but I don’t. I’m afraid of Hell. What can I do to heal?4. 21:23 {Why Didn’t Jesus Inherit Adam’s Sin?} Since Jesus was fully man, as well as fully God, according to the hypostatic union, how did He not inherit Adam's sin that all men inherit according to Psalm 51:5?5. 25:27 {Is the Resurrection Proof of Jesus’ Deity?} What should I say to someone who isn’t impressed with the resurrection of Jesus proving that He is God? I don’t think there is a better miracle explaining who God is and what He does.6. 28:17 {Advising Others on Theologically Bad Content} What do you say to Christians who say they have been blessed by the movie “The Shack” and other Progressive content, even though it is filled with New Age themes and Progressive Christianity?7. 31:37 {Explaining a Confusing Passage of Scripture} Is the man in Matthew 22: 11-13 thrown out for not doing good works, considering Revelation 19:8?8. 36:17 {Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation, & Symbolism} What are your thoughts on the Lutheran view of communion (consubstantiation in contrast to the Catholic transubstantiation)? What would be a good case for an entirely symbolic view?9. 44:36 {Exceptions to Marital Submission?} Your 1 Peter 3:1-6 teaching said Abigail's story was the only valid exception for wives not submitting to husbands. Why was “life threatening situations” the lens in which you interpreted her example?10. 47:17 {Is a Fear of Sin Biblical?} I find myself feeling paranoid and anxious because I'm scared to fall into sin. I'm no longer in bondage to sin, but I feel like the fear of sin can hold me captive. Is the fear of sin biblical?11. 48:59 {Help for Overcoming Pride} I struggle with pride. I hate that. Even with a past as filthy as mine that I’ve been forgiven for, I still catch myself looking at other people sideways. How can I be more loving?12. 54:12 {About “Not Boasting of Tomorrow”} In James 4: 13-17, The conclusion (v. 17) seems unrelated to vv. 13-16. I don’t see how it relates specifically to not boasting of tomorrow. Is it just a general statement that could be said after any command?13. 57:52 {Tongues: Heavenly or Earthly Language?} When we pray in tongues in private prayer time, is this a heavenly language, or an earthly language?14. 1:01:21 {About the La

I answer questions every Friday live on YT at 1 p.m. Pacific time. Wait till the live stream actually starts, post your question with a "Q" at the beginning, and try to check your wording for clarity. I apologize ahead of time if I don't get to your question. I know that can be dissapointing, but we try to prioritize questions I haven't answered before so you might check my website to see if your question has already been addressed in a previous stream. You can do so with the link below, using the "clip search" feature that takes you to specific moments in specific videos. Here's my website with a new clip search feature for finding exactly where in a video a particular issue is addressed. https://BibleThinker.org 1. 0:00 {Only One Way to Evangelize?} Before Jesus left, He gave us the Great Commission: "Go spread the Gospel and make Disciples." Sounds good, I can do that. But since Jesus didn't tell us exactly how to share the Gospel (He just tells us to do it), can we share the Gospel however we want, or do we have to do it a certain way?2. 13:05 {Is Modalism Heresy?} Why is modalism considered such heresy? I think it’s incorrect, but many people question the very salvation of those who hold to this doctrine. How vital to salvation is the correct understanding of the Trinity?3. 16:58 {When You’re Far from God} My heart is hardened, I’m backslidden, a carnal Christian…whatever you want to call it. I am so far from God right now. I want to love Him, but I don’t. I’m afraid of Hell. What can I do to heal?4. 21:23 {Why Didn’t Jesus Inherit Adam’s Sin?} Since Jesus was fully man, as well as fully God, according to the hypostatic union, how did He not inherit Adam's sin that all men inherit according to Psalm 51:5?5. 25:27 {Is the Resurrection Proof of Jesus’ Deity?} What should I say to someone who isn’t impressed with the resurrection of Jesus proving that He is God? I don’t think there is a better miracle explaining who God is and what He does.6. 28:17 {Advising Others on Theologically Bad Content} What do you say to Christians who say they have been blessed by the movie “The Shack” and other Progressive content, even though it is filled with New Age themes and Progressive Christianity?7. 31:37 {Explaining a Confusing Passage of Scripture} Is the man in Matthew 22: 11-13 thrown out for not doing good works, considering Revelation 19:8?8. 36:17 {Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation, & Symbolism} What are your thoughts on the Lutheran view of communion (consubstantiation in contrast to the Catholic transubstantiation)? What would be a good case for an entirely symbolic view?9. 44:36 {Exceptions to Marital Submission?} Your 1 Peter 3:1-6 teaching said Abigail's story was the only valid exception for wives not submitting to husbands. Why was “life threatening situations” the lens in which you interpreted her example?10. 47:17 {Is a Fear of Sin Biblical?} I find myself feeling paranoid and anxious because I'm scared to fall into sin. I'm no longer in bondage to sin, but I feel like the fear of sin can hold me captive. Is the fear of sin biblical?11. 48:59 {Help for Overcoming Pride} I struggle with pride. I hate that. Even with a past as filthy as mine that I’ve been forgiven for, I still catch myself looking at other people sideways. How can I be more loving?12. 54:12 {About “Not Boasting of Tomorrow”} In James 4: 13-17, The conclusion (v. 17) seems unrelated to vv. 13-16. I don’t see how it relates specifically to not boasting of tomorrow. Is it just a general statement that could be said after any command?13. 57:52 {Tongues: Heavenly or Earthly Language?} When we pray in tongues in private prayer time, is this a heavenly language, or an earthly language?14. 1:01:21 {About the La

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     The Lord's Supper is mentioned in the Gospels of Matthew (26:26-29), Mark (14:22-25), Luke (22:19-20), and by the apostle Paul in his letter to the Christians at Corinth (1 Cor 11:23-34). The Lord's Supper is also called the Eucharist, from the Greek word εὐχαριστέω eucharisteo, which means to give thanks, which is what Christ did when He instituted this church ordinance (Luke 22:19). And, it is called Communion, from the Geek word κοινωνία koinonia, which means communion, fellowship, or sharing (1 Cor 10:15-17), because it took place during a community meal where believers fellowshipped with each other during a time of Bible study and prayer (see Acts 2:42).      The Lord's Supper was instituted by Jesus on the night He and the disciples were celebrating the Passover meal. This was the night before His crucifixion. The Passover meal celebrated God's deliverance from the final plague on Egypt as the Lord passed over the homes of those who had sacrificed an unblemished lamb and placed its blood on the doorpost and lintel (Ex 12:1-51). The flawless lamb foreshadowed the sinless humanity of Jesus who is “a lamb unblemished and spotless” (1 Pet 1:19), “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). Jesus is “our Passover lamb” (1 Cor 5:7), and His death paid the price for our sins (Mark 10:45; Eph 1:7; Heb 9:22).      Jesus' death instituted the New Covenant which was given to Israel and will find its ultimate fulfillment in the future millennial kingdom. Because Christ inaugurated the New Covenant, some of the spiritual blessings associated with it are available to Christians today; specifically, forgiveness of sins (Jer 31:34; Matt 26:28; Heb 10:17) and the indwelling Holy Spirit (Ezek 36:26-27; 37:14; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19).      The elements of the Lord's Supper include unleavened bread and red juice. The unleavened bread symbolizes the sinless humanity of Jesus (2 Cor 5:21; Heb 4:15; 1 John 3:5). The red juice symbolizes the “blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins” (Matt 26:28). Throughout the church age, there have been four major views concerning the elements of the Lord's Supper: 1) The Roman Catholic view—Transubstantiation—teaches that the bread and red juice, without losing its form or taste, becomes the literal body and blood of Christ. 2) The Lutheran view—Consubstantiation—holds that Christ is present in and with the bread and red juice in a real sense. 3) The Reformed view—Spiritual—teaches that Christ is spiritually present in the bread and red juice. 4) The Evangelical view—Symbolic—sees the bread and red juice as symbols that point to the body and blood of Christ. The first three views see Christ actually present in the bread and juice, whereas the last view sees the elements as symbols that point to Christ. The last view is similar to how one understands the sacrificial lamb in the OT, which sacrifice did not actually contain Christ, but rather pointed to Him and His atoning work on the cross. Likewise, the Lord's Supper does not actually contain Christ, but points the believer to His sacrificial life and substitutionary death.       When Christians partake of the unleavened bread and red juice, we are recognizing our relationship with God through the life and death of Christ. Just as we are nourished bodily by physical food, so we are nourished spiritually by the life and shed blood of Jesus who died in our place. Eating the bread and drinking the red juice is a picture of the believer receiving the benefits that have been provided by the life and death of Jesus. There is a vertical and horizontal aspect to the Lord's Supper. The vertical aspect indicates one is in a right relationship with God through faith in Jesus, for the Lord's Supper has meaning only to the one who has trusted Christ as Savior and received forgiveness of sins and the gift of eternal life (John 3:16; 10:28; Eph 1:7). The horizontal aspect of the Lord's Supper indicates one is walking in love and living selflessly towards other Christians (1 Cor 10:15-17; 11:17-34), for it is a picture of the love and selflessness of Christ who gave His life for the benefit of others. It is a sin to partake of the Lord's Supper while behaving selfishly toward other believers, and God will punish those who do so (1 Cor 11:27-30). Paul instructed the Christians at Corinth to partake of the Lord's Supper retrospectively by looking back at the sacrificial life and death of Christ (1 Cor 11:23-25), prospectively by looking forward to Jesus' return (1 Cor 11:26), and introspectively by examining their attitudes and actions (1 Cor 11:27-32). A proper understanding of the Lord's Supper will lead to unselfish love towards others (1 Cor 11:33-34a). Summary      The Lord's Supper was instituted by Jesus while celebrating the Passover meal on the night before His crucifixion. The unleavened bread symbolizes the perfect humanity of Christ, and the red juice symbolizes the blood of the New Covenant that was shed on the cross. Christians who partake of the Lord's Supper see themselves as the beneficiaries of the spiritual blessings of forgiveness and the indwelling Holy Spirit. Eating the bread and drinking the juice is a picture of receiving Christ and all He did for us through His life and death. The Lord's Supper instructs us to look back to the selfless love of Christ, forward to His return, and inward to one's values and actions.

0:00 - Gambler's Fallacy and Drink of the Day: Teremana Small Batch sipping Tequila 2:08 - Meat Segment: This week I start by discussing some of the responses I received concerning Simone Biles. I also spent some time addressing the contention that Simone is "the greatest gymnast on earth." After that, I did a fly-over summary episode on communion views, methods and meanings. Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation, Memorial View and Real Presence view were all mentioned. I then took a look at 1 Corinthians 11 to discuss the really important components of communion. 42:45 - Three Favorite News Stories (More or Less): First, the american medical association has begun buying into the ridiculous transgender unreality. Second, the anti-racist racist, Ibram X Kendi (born Ibram Henry Rogers) doesn't know basically the only rule for crafting a definition. Third, President Biden violates his oath of office, and outright admits that he is violating his oath of office.  1:02:30 - Hymn Hype: "A Mighty Fortress is Our God" by the german monk Martin Luther.   For more content: http://reasonedrefrain.com For other more content: http://mygiveonthings.com To talk back: stephen@reasonedrefrain.com    New episodes every Friday at 6am CT.    

God takes a major step in His rescue plan on the day of Pentecost as He pours out His Spirit  and breaks down the barriers of race and gender. The exclusivity of the previous chapter of the Abraplan gives way to the broad call and welcome to all. Jesus is at the head of the table, and has already dealt with any sin that might have kept us away. Come to the table!

Defenders 3:Doctrine of the Church (Part 11): Consubstantiation and Other Views

Do you have a passion for the Lord's Table, or for walking out your baptism? Pastor Chris walks us through one of the most pivotal moments in the ministry of Jesus, then asks us to see what happens at Table as Transfiguration. Doing so leads to passion for the Table and the baptismal life.

We're answering a mailbox question in reference to our previous episode on sacraments vs. ordinances.

ROUND ONE: CONTESTANT ONE Q1. – Consubstantiation is: A) The Catholic doctrine that says Jesus is present with the bread and wine of the Eucharist. B) Not a Catholic doctrine. C) The teaching that Jesus and the Father share the same substance.   CONTESTANT TWO Q1 – Divinization is: A) The Christian teaching that we shall be made like God. B) The Christian teaching that the Eucharist becomes God. C) Actually, a Buddhist teaching having to do with us all being part of God.   CONTESTANT ONE Q2. – Material cooperation with evil is: A) Always sinful. B) Not always sinful. C) Not always a mortal sin, but always at least a venial sin.   CONTESTANT TWO Q2 – The conditions for a mortal sin are usually given as: A) Grave matter, full knowledge, and consent of the will. B) Malice, pride, and lust. C) The age of reason and full knowledge of the teachings of Jesus.   CONTESTANT ONE Q3– The Catholic office of “cardinal” is: A) One of the levels of Holy Orders instituted by Christ. B) An office instituted over time by the Church. C) An office reserved only to bishops.   CONTESTANT TWO Q3. – The oldest existing written copy of biblical book dates to: A) Roughly the fifth century A.D. B) About the time of Christ. C) At least 100 years before Christ. (Isaiah scroll from Dead sea scrolls)       ROUND TWO: CONTESTANT ONE Q1 – Souls in purgatory: A) Can benefit from our acts of charity. B) Can only benefit from our prayers and fasting. C) Cannot experience the love of God until they get out.   CONTESTANT TWO Q1 – Souls in Purgatory experience: A) Joy B) Suffering C) Both Joy and Suffering   CONTESTANT ONE Q2 – One reason Invitro Fertilization is morally unacceptable is: A) God creates life without our cooperation, and we cannot interfere with that. B) IVF separates a child’s conception from the conjugal act of its parents. C) There is no certainty that an artificially conceived person will have a soul.     CONTESTANT TWO Q2 – By Original Sin humanity has been: A) Totally Corrupted. B) Deeply Wounded. C) Deprived of any sense of right and wrong.   CONTESTANT ONE Q3 – Anointing of the Sick is: A) Directly taught by Jesus (Mark 6). B) Only taught in the Letter of James. C) A practice that is not directly taught in the New Testament.   CONTESTANT TWO Q3 – Anointing of the Sick can be received: A) Only when death is imminent B) Only three times in a person’s lifetime C) As many times as is needed   FINAL JUDGMENT FALSE: The human intellect of Jesus is infinite. TRUE: The human will of Jesus is perfect. TRUE: By nature, Jesus is infinitely higher than Mary. TRUE: Mormon baptism is not accepted by the Catholic Church. FALSE: Once we die, we are completely outside of time. FALSE: Baptism must be done in fresh water. (No, any natural water can be used.) TRUE: Fallen angels cannot be saved. …

Tony and Jesse discuss the Lutheran view of the Lord’s Supper, commonly called Consubstantiation. The post RB Consubstantiation appeared first on Society of Reformed Podcasters.

Tony and Jesse discuss the Lutheran view of the Lord's Supper, commonly called Consubstantiation.

As the first Christians celebrated the first "communions" together, their time at the table was characterized with overflowing Joy (Acts 2:41-47). Communion is a party, not a funeral. It is something Jesus has given us to remind us of His triumphant resurrection, to be associated with the Freedom of Passover and His victory over death. He deliberately set the pattern of breaking bread with His followers the very evening of His resurrection (Luke 24:25-34) in order that the practice be one of celebrating the New Creation begun on the EIGHTH DAY (remember, 7 days in Genesis to create then rest?). The Lord's Supper is meant to be associated with the greatest excellence: the resurrection of Jesus Christ. God's plan is to establish a deep knit subconscious link with His Son's bursting from the tomb. Acts 20:7-12 reinforces all this while pointing out that there seems to be very little in common between how we practice communion today and how it was experienced by early Christ-followers. 

Ted asks about what Lutherans believe about communion and consubstantiation. Rod talks about what Lutherans believe communion is and what it does and what it gives us, and how the Lutheran position differs from some other denominations. SHOW NOTES: Support the show - https://www.1517.org/donate

This is a continuation of our study on Christ's words to "The Dead Church," the church at Sardis.  This stage in Church history began well (it was a work of God), but, sadly, did not continue well.  She began to rest in ease on her good name (she had good heritage) and her good doctinal position, and subsequently neglected her practice.  As with the history of the original city named Sardis, the church of Sardis failed to keep alert, and Satan marched right in her front door and over-sowed her heavily with tares!  It is beneficial for every Christian to study the progressive history of Christendom to better understand how and why the dogmas, creeds, and traditions of the various church denominations originated, and where we are today in Church history (and what has caused us to be here)!  Discussed in this lesson: John Knox, John Calvin, John Huss, Martin Luther, Zwingli, the Puritans, Lollards, Anabaptists, Waldensians, Hugenots, Presbyterianism, Lutheranism, Consubstantiation, etc. This brief Reformation history lesson will help you understand the Lord's words to all who are represented by Sardis, ". . . for I have not found thy works perfect before God".  Learn Christ's formula for revival from His important words to this church!  

And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.” (Luke 22:19-20)      The Lord’s Supper is mentioned in the Gospels of Matthew (26:26-29), Mark (14:22-25), Luke (22:19-20), and by the apostle Paul in his letter to the Christians at Corinth (1 Cor 11:23-34). The Lord’s Supper is also called the Eucharist, from the Greek word εὐχαριστέω eucharisteo, which means to give thanks, which is what Christ did when He instituted this church ordinance (Luke 22:19). And, it is called Communion, from the Geek word κοινωνία koinonia, which means communion, fellowship, or sharing (1 Cor 10:15-17), because it took place during a community meal where believers fellowshipped with each other during a time of Bible study and prayer (see Acts 2:42).      The Lord’s Supper was instituted by Jesus on the night He and the disciples were celebrating the Passover meal. This was the night before His crucifixion. The Passover meal celebrated God’s deliverance from the final plague on Egypt as the Lord passed over the homes of those who had sacrificed an unblemished lamb and placed its blood on the doorpost and lintel (Ex 12:1-51). The flawless lamb foreshadowed the sinless humanity of Jesus who is “a lamb unblemished and spotless” (1 Pet 1:19), “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). Jesus is “our Passover lamb” (1 Cor 5:7), and His death paid the price for our sins (Mark 10:45; Eph 1:7; Heb 9:22).      Jesus’ death instituted the New Covenant which was given to Israel and will find its ultimate fulfillment in the future millennial kingdom. Because Christ inaugurated the New Covenant, some of the spiritual blessings associated with it are available to Christians today; specifically, forgiveness of sins (Jer 31:34; Matt 26:28; Heb 10:17) and the indwelling Holy Spirit (Ezek 36:26-27; 37:14; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19).      The elements of the Lord’s Supper include unleavened bread and red juice. The unleavened bread symbolizes the sinless person of Jesus who “gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma” (Eph 5:2). The red juice symbolizes the “blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins” (Matt 26:28). Throughout the church age, there have been four major views concerning the elements of the Lord’s Supper: 1) The Roman Catholic view—Transubstantiation—teaches that the bread and red juice, without losing its form or taste, becomes the literal body and blood of Christ. 2) The Lutheran view—Consubstantiation—holds that Christ is present in and with the bread and red juice in a real sense. 3) The Reformed view—Spiritual—teaches that Christ is spiritually present in the bread and red juice. 4) The Evangelical view—Symbolic—sees the bread and red juice as symbols that point to the body and blood of Christ. The first three views see Christ actually present in the bread and juice, whereas the last view sees the elements as symbols that point to Christ. The last view is similar to how one understands the sacrificial lamb in the OT, which sacrifice did not actually contain Christ, but rather pointed to Him and His atoning work on the cross. Likewise, the Lord’s Supper does not actually contain Christ, but points the believer to His life and death.       When Christians partake of the unleavened bread and red juice, we are recognizing our relationship with God through the life and death of Christ. Just as we are nourished bodily by physical food, so we are nourished spiritually by the life and shed blood of Jesus who died in our place. Eating the bread and drinking the red juice is a picture of the believer receiving the benefits that have been provided by the life and death of Jesus. There is a vertical and horizontal aspect to the Lord’s Supper. The vertical aspect indicates one is in a right relationship with God through faith in Jesus, for the Lord’s Supper has meaning only to the one who has trusted Christ as Savior and received forgiveness of sins and the gift of eternal life (John 3:16; 10:28; Eph 1:7). The horizontal aspect of the Lord’s Supper indicates one is walking in love and living selflessly towards other Christians (1 Cor 10:15-17; 11:17-34), for it is a picture of the love and selflessness of Christ who gave His life for the benefit of others. It is a sin to partake of the Lord’s Supper while behaving selfishly toward other believers, and God will punish those who do so (1 Cor 11:27-30). Paul instructed the Christians at Corinth to partake of the Lord’s Supper retrospectively by looking back at the sacrificial life and death of Christ (1 Cor 11:23-25), prospectively by looking forward to Jesus’ return (1 Cor 11:26), and introspectively by examining their attitudes and actions (1 Cor 11:27-32). A proper understanding of the Lord’s Supper will lead to unselfish love towards others (1 Cor 11:33-34a). Summary      The Lord’s Supper was instituted by Jesus while celebrating the Passover meal on the night before His crucifixion. The unleavened bread symbolizes the perfect humanity of Christ, and the red juice symbolizes the blood of the New Covenant that was shed on the cross. Christians who partake of the Lord’s Supper see themselves as the beneficiaries of the spiritual blessings of forgiveness and the indwelling Holy Spirit. Eating the bread and drinking the juice is a picture of receiving Christ and all He did for us through His life and death. The Lord’s Supper instructs us to look back to the selfless love of Christ, forward to His return, and inward to one’s values and actions.

communion and baptism: With Andrew WilsonIn this episode, we discuss the biblical sacraments of communion and baptism. We dialogue about the most popular views of communion. such as The views of transubstantiation, consubstantiation, and the view of real presence. The view that the sacraments are simply symbolic is something that we briefly dispell. We, in fact, focus our discussion on the mystical reality of Christ's presence that is present in the sacraments of communion and baptism. ___________________________________________________________________________Help Support The Channelhttps://www.paypal.com/donate/?token=q_axItbrn0dkOH-ZMyaMavehY5K9b-2bTtPCCobFWDxdLztVRAjeTtilGHL9CTQNyZ0zVW&country.x=US&locale.x=US___________________________________________________________________________

Two thousand years after 1 Corinthians was written many people still are not following the Scriptural pattern for the Lord's Table. This Bible message seeks to address key issues about the Lord's Supper. You can find out more about Lakeland Baptist Church through our church website at www.lakelandbaptist.ca. Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Lakeland-Baptist-Church-217617964922312/ Watch us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ8TN0h_b3qJTFIflNcInXA

On today's podcast, I answered three listener questions.  1. Is David Bentley Hart a Marcionite? 2. Do Lutherans believe in consubstantiation? 3. Is there really a difference between Calvin and Zwingli on the Lord's Supper? This is the first of a two-part Q&A series this month.

Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation or Symbolism in the elements.

Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation or Symbolism in the elements.

In John 6:47 Jesus says, “whoever believes has eternal life” and then in verse 54 Jesus says, “whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life.” Does one equal the other? Yes, says those who see the Lord’s Supper as an ordinance, a memorial and a command to observe, the great event to be remembered. However, many who claim it is a sacrament say that the bread and the juice become the actual body and blood of Jesus, or that the body and blood is within the elements. The former sees salvation by faith; the latter sees salvation by an act of the Church’s priests.

In this episode we will be jumping into the topic of the Lord's Supper (Communion) and what the views of John Wesley were on it. We will begin by laying the groundwork by discussing the differences between Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation, Memorial, and Spiritual Presence views. We will also discuss the theological development of the doctrine through the Middle Ages and into the Reformation period. Then we will discuss what John Wesley's views were on the Lord's Supper and how he personally practiced the Lord's Supper.  Link to Zondervan Academic Article: https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/transubstantiation-consubstantiation-catholic-protestant/      

Josh Lewis, Jeff Gray, and Edgar Bazan discuss Communion. On this episode we delve into the four historic approaches to communion.

During the course of today’s show we outline Pastor Wolfmueller’s next book while going through your Church Signs and Bumper Stickers! Yes, that’s all we do.

Thanking God for the Reformation Part 2 - Reformation Is Born   The Church before the Reformation G’day and welcome to our series, Thanking God for the Reformation, where we are looking at and celebrating that momentous event in history, and including in that, Church history. These are extracts from the book “Heroes And Heretics Abound” available on Amazon sites. Change is gathering apace and we now see a great split. A split from within the Roman Catholic Church – the beginnings of the Protestant Church. Our main person we will look at is Martin Luther – one of the very giants of Church history.Martin Luther (1483-1546) Luther was the Professor of Biblical Studies at Wittenberg University in Germany. Luther tried to find God as an Augustinian monk but he was unable to come to terms with God's righteous demands. He eventually realised through prayer and reading the Scriptures, that he could do nothing of his own to fulfil or satisfy God’s righteous demands upon him. He came to see that justification before Almighty God was by faith alone, through grace alone, which was a gift of God. Included in the aftermath of this discovery, were these key dates and events as the Reformation of Christianity and the Church gathered pace. 1517: Luther’s 95 Theses, statements against indulgences were nailed to the Castle Church door at Wittenberg on 31st October He rapidly gained a following in Germany, and was aided by the advent of the printing press. 1519: Luther publicly denied the supremacy and infallibility of the Pope and Church. 1520: Luther was excommunicated by Pope Leo X 1521: Diet Of Worms. Luther was outlawed by Emperor Charles V of Spain. He was hidden by friends for 8 months, during which he translated the New Testament into German. 1528: Diet Of Spruger. A change in German law allowed each German State to follow the religion of its reigning prince. Once announced, change of religion was forbidden. 1529: Diet Of Speyer. Decides the Lutheran states were to remain Lutheran and the Catholic states to remain Catholic; not allowed to change. Evangelical princes protested at the restriction and the name Protestant was given to this movement. 1530: Diet Of Augsburg. Protestants submitted a statement of belief which was rejected, but became the basis of Lutheran doctrine. 1547: war broke out between Catholic and Protestant states. This war was won by the Catholics, but Protestantism was finally recognised legally in 1552.Core Truths There were 3 main truths resulting from this Reformation which we hold fast today in general in large parts of the Church, particularly Protestantism: Final authority of God's Word Justification by faith, a gift of God's grace The priesthood of all believers. Lutheranism spread from Germany to Denmark, Norway and Sweden. However, having said that, it should be noted that, wrongly or rightly, Luther still accepted as truth the following theological standpoints: Consubstantiation - a 'real presence' of Christ's body with bread and wine though not that the bread actually became His body. As opposed to transubstantiation held by the Roman Catholic Church which says the bread and wine becomes the flesh and blood of Jesus. Infant baptism as necessary for salvation. We may get the idea that this man was dour and humourless. However, he maintained a sense of humour and obviously like laughing. An indication of that, is in this quote attributed to him: “If you are not allowed to laugh in heaven, I don't want to go there.” Tomorrow in part 3, we will look at Luther's 95 Theses...   Click or Tap here to listen to or save this as an audio mp3 file ~ You can now purchase our Partakers books! Please do click or tap here to visit our Amazon site! Click or tap on the appropriate link below to subscribe, share or download our iPhone App!

On this episode of Table Talk Radio after we discuss our Buzzwords Rev. Brian Flamme makes his first, uh … that is his second, and likely his last, appearance on the show to help us play Name That Theologian. Pr. Flamme first appeared on Show 332 as Lumpys New Friend http://tabletalkradio.org/content/node/432. We follow that with a rousing game of 10 Commandments In The News. Will the Flamme be virtuous and win the most points? Or will he give in to vice and as a result excel in mediocrity? Tune in and find out!

On this edition of Table Talk Radio, after discussion the buzzwords Concupiscence and Consubstantiation, we will play Answer The Question As. Then while playing 10 Commandments In The News we basically play a new game Am I A Man Or A Woman. We self-identify this episode as a good radio show!

The message below was preached by Rob Willey, Senior Pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel Davenport, on November 16-17, 2013. The message came from 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 and was titled "The Symbolism of Communion".

What is consubstantiation? How is consubstantiation different from transubstantiation? Do Lutherans believe in consubstantiation?

What can we learn from Scripture about the meaning of the Lord's Supper-----This sermon is an overview of four understandings-----1- Memorial Only -- Held by most fundamentalist, some evangelical faiths and others-----2- Transubstantiation--The Real Presence- -- Held by the Roman and Orthodox faiths and others-----3- Consubstantiation -- Held by the Lutheran faith-----4- The Reformed view.----This sermon also addresses the issue of paedocommmunion.

Justin Hibbard begins the sermon series on Jesus' 7 I Am Statements with "I Am the Bread of Life." Listen as Justin explains this complicated and often misinterpreted discourse in John 6. http://www.newhopechapel.org