Beyond Sunday Worship Leader Podcast

One my favorite books this year was Be The Bridge: Pursuing God's Heart for Racial Reconciliation by Latasha Morrison. A wonderful book that is challenging but also compassionate and full of grace. We've waded into conversations like this recently with Nikki Lerner, Darwin Hobbs, and David Gate. Why are we doing this? Because I truly […] The post #362: Is Racial Reconciliation and a Healthy Multicultural Church Possible? An interview with Latasha Morrison appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

So we talk a lot about the worship industry on this podcast. Sometimes that conversation can result in a let's just wine and complain about how awful it is. But my guests today are not content with that sort of negativity! It will not be tolerated! But here's the reality: The music industry is built […] The post #361: Reimagining the Worship Industry with Chris McClarney and Jesse Phillips appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's conversation is a bit of a departure from our usual worship leader/worship industry conversation. I'm talking with Stanley Hauerwas. Here's his bio: Stanley will turn 85 this year. I'm new to Stanley's work but absolutely devoured his new book Jesus Changes Everything as well as his landmark work, Resident Aliens. I find his thinking […] The post #360: The Church, Culture, & How Jesus Changes Everything with Stanley Hauerwas appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's interview is with Glenn Packiam – if you're not familiar with Glenn, he's one of the modern worship OGs. I mean, Desperation Band, new Life Worship. He wrote the song Your Name with Paul Baloche. But over the years Glenn's journey has moved from worship ministry to pastoral ministry. He was the campus pastor […] The post #359: Christianity in Chaos? How We Can Find Our Way In An Age of Confusion and Corruption with Glenn Packiam appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's topic and subject matter is a tough one. I'm talking with my friend David Gate. David is a writer and poet. He has a new book releasing in 2025 called A Rebellion of Care. But David also has a long history as a worship leader, songwriter, and artist. David wrote an article recently in […] The post #358: Two White Guys Talking About The Black Church, Black Music, & Black Liberation (An Interview with David Gate) appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's conversation is with my friend Andy Cherry. Andy is a Worship Leader, former Worship Pastor, Songwriter with Capitol CMG, and touring bandmate with Brandon Lake. Andy is mega talented and a thoughtful voice on the tensions of worship and industry. As a professional songwriter, he's someone whose livelihood is connected to the worship industry. […] The post #357: The Separation of Church and Concert with Andy Cherry appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's conversation is with Dr. Lester Ruth, a research professor of Christian Worship at Duke Divinity School. If you go back in the archives you'll see I interviewed Lester and Swee Hong Lim around the time they released their book A History of Contemporary Praise & Worship. Lester is a worship historian. The subject of […] The post #356: Christian Nationalism and Worship: Faith, Politics, & Identity with Dr. Lester Ruth appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's conversation is with Andrew Osenga. Andrew is an artist, songwriter, producer, musician, and author. He used to do A&R with Integrity Music. Used to have a band called The Normals. Was a part of Caedmon's Call. Has a host of solo records and albums. He's a very thoughtful voice in this space of worship […] The post #355: How Industry And Christian Product Has Influenced Worship in the Local Church with Andrew Osenga appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's conversation is an interesting juxtaposition to last week's podcast with Jason Houtsma. Jason leads worship in a church of less than 100 people. Today's guest – Jordan Howerton – is the Worship Pastor for one of the largest churches in the country – Christ's Church of the Valley in Phoenix, AZ. If you've listened […] The post #354: Leading Teams and Leading Worship in a Mega Church with Jordan Howerton appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies.  One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into […] The post #353: Small Church Worship, Click Tracks, & How Anyone Can Make a Worship Album with Jason Houtsma appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the Robert E Webber Institute for Worship Studies.  One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into […] The post #352: Discipleship, Ego, & Pursuing the Presence of God in Your Local Church with John Wilds appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today's conversation is with Natalie Runion – Natalie is a worship leader, author, speaker, and founder of the online community Raised to Stay. She's written two books – Raised to Stay and The House that Jesus Built, both powerful, insightful reads into the realities of local church ministry. In this conversation we talk about worship […] The post #351: Anointing Over Gifting, Women in Worship, & Evaluating the Foundation of Our Ministries with Natalie Runion appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #350: Deciphering, Unlearning, and Reframing Mega Church Worship Models with Becky Ykema appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #349: Darwin Hobbs on Finding Your Voice, Gospel Music in the Church, & Why We Can't Stop Talking About Racism. appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #348: David Leonard on Creating in Community, Corporate Worship, & The Challenges of Being an Artist appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Today we welcome Jeff Cochran to the Beyond Sunday Podcast. Jeff is the founder of the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the host of the Church Disrupted podcast.  Jeff is a business owner, church consultant, and has spent many years in local church ministry. His insights into spiritual abuse, church systems, and creating healtheir churches is […] The post #347: Jeff Cochran on Spiritual Abuse, Mega Church Systems, & Fostering Healthier Worship Ministries appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #346: Nathan Apffel & Chris Ayoub on The Religion Business appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #345: Rich Villodas on Contemplative vs Charismatic Tensions, Church Growth, & The Narrow Path of Jesus appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

“We've made the list of everything that could go wrong. It's time to make the list of everything that could go right.” – Nikki Lerner Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited […] The post #344: Nikki Lerner on Life After Full Time Ministry, Worship Culture Conundrums, & Fostering Multicultural Churches appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #343: Malcolm DuPlessis on Racial Tension, Injustice, & The Commercialization of Worship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #342: Mike O'Brien on Worship Artist/Leader Tensions, Local Church Ministry, & The Gift of Obscurity appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #341: Tommy Preson Phillips on Why People Are Leaving The Church To Look For Christ appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Kelsey is a brilliant thinker. She is a musicologist and educator based in Iowa, holding a PhD from the University of Iowa. Currently, Kelsey is a regular contributor to Christianity Today, writing and reporting on worship and church culture. She is also an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines, where she teaches […] The post #340: Kelsey Kramer McGinnis On Music, Money, & Profits in the Worship Industry (And What That Means For the Rest of Us) appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #339: Mac Powell on CCM Through the Years, Early Third Day Stories, Worship Music, & Personal Soul Care appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #338: Aodhan King on Early Young & Free Days, New Music, & Christ Centered Worship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #337: Martin Smith on The Future of Worship Music, Local Church Tensions, & Songs of Joy appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #336: Sam McCabe on The Worship Industry, Finding Your Own Voice, & Our Worship Song Diet appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #335: Andrew Holt on The Belonging Co, Leading a Worship Ministry, & Encounter Over Entertainment appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #334: Elias Dummer on Humanizing The Conversation Around Worship Leading, Anointing, & The Worship Industry appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #333: Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn't limited to that—it's also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It's hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As […] The post #332: Andy Squyres on Writing, Celebrity Worship, & The Idol of Excellence appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #331: Bob Kauflin on Theology for Worship Teams, Production Decisions, & Top Worship Leader Competencies appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #330: Mike Donehey on God's Will vs God's Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #329: Alexandra Osteen on Lakewood Music, Worship at Lakewood Church, & Leading Teams appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #328: Kory Miller on Pursuing His Presence, Leading Spontaneous Worship, & God Centered Gatherings appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #327: Dr. Constance Cherry on Worship Ministry Over the Decades, The Worship Architect, & A Call to Christ-Centered Worship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #326: W. David O. Taylor on Theology for Worship Leaders, Emotional Health, & Worship as Discipleship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #325: Sean Curran on Worship Music, Christian Celebrity Culture, & Creativity appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #324: David Ryan Cook on Raising Up Young Worship Leaders, Presence Driven Worship, & New Music appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #323: Rich & Cass Langton on Building Healthy Teams, Creativity in the Church, & Leading Artists appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #322: Charlie Hall on Developing Young Leaders, Leading Authentic Worship, & Building a Balanced Worship Set appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #321: Brian Doerksen on The Creative Process, Local Church Songwriting, & Early Vineyard Music Stories appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #320: Kim Walker-Smith On The Worship Industry, Our Inner Life, & Protecting Our Children's Innocence appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #319: Skye Reedy on Difficult Seasons, The Healing Power of God, & New Music appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered: Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's […] The post #318: Jon Guerra on Devotional Songwriting, Sunday & Monday Worship, & Spiritual Formation appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's what's included: No long […] The post #317: Crowder on New Music, Writing Hacks, & Song Stories appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's what's included: No long […] The post #316: Matt Chandler on God's Vision For The Church, The Power of Singing, & The Creative Process appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's what's included: No long […] The post #315: Alexander Pappas on Believing for Revival, Writing Better Melodies, & Early Young & Free Days appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's what's included: No long […] The post #314: Sarah Kroger on Brutal Honesty, Wrestling With Doubt, & Songs of Hope appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's what's included: No long […] The post #313: Derek Johnson on Being a Worship Pastor, Building Healthy Teams, & Jesus Culture Music appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship Coaching Community is now open! I've wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! Beyond Sunday Backstage is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here's what's included: No long […] The post #312: Brenton Brown on Leading Worship in the 90s, Writing Worship Songs, & Early Vineyard UK Stories appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.