Podcast appearances and mentions of terry wildman

Merry Christmas, alumni! Instead of our typical episode, we will be enjoying a special reading of Luke 2 from the First Nations Version. Huge thanks to Terry Wildman for returning to give us this great gift!After today, we will take a few weeks off for rest over the upcoming holidays and to prep for our new season and some exciting new features in 2025!Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and we'll see you in 2025, alumni!RESOURCESPurchase Birth of the Chosen: A First Nations Retelling of the Christmas StoryPurchase First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New TestamentPre-Order First Nations Version Psalms and Proverbs: An Indigenous Bible TranslationLearn more about the First Nations VersionRELATED EPISODEE148: The Birth of the Chosen One (Apple, Spotify)STAY IN TOUCHSocials: @afterivpodLeave us a message on SpeakPipeVisit our Website ★ Support this podcast ★

In this conversation, Terry Wildman joins Sarah Connatser to explore the themes of joy, storytelling, and Indigenous perspectives during the Advent season. Terry shares about his new children's book Birth of the Chosen One, and they talk about the importance of names. They discuss different passages of Scripture (specifically in the First Nations Version) and the connections between joy, suffering, and spiritual growth. This conversation will inspire you and invite you into a refreshing understanding of Christmas. Join in the conversation on our social media pages on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to let us know your thoughts on this episode! Host & Executive Producer - Latasha Morrison Producer  - Sarah Connatser Links: First Nations Version Birth of the Chosen One IVP Kids' Activities Ads: Spotify for Podcasters [Record, edit, distribute your podcast. Download the Spotify for Podcasters app or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.spotify.com/podcasters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get started] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Become a Donor of Be the Bridge⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shop the Be the Bridge Online Shop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Terry Wildman: Website IVP Author Page ⁠First Nations Version Instagram⁠ First Nations Version Project Facebook ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Be the Bridge:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Our Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Latasha Morrison:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Not all views expressed in this interview reflect the values and beliefs of Latasha Morrison or the Be the Bridge organization.

Terry Wildman concludes our sermon series.

In this episode, James sits down with Terry Wildman. Terry is the lead translator of the First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament. Terry and James discuss the current state of minsitry to Native Americans and the process involved in creating the First Nations Version. Terry also shares some passages from the text and describes the approach to the translation and its ongoing impact beyond the Native American population. To connect with James, visit usefultogod.com or get his latest book Serpents and Doves: Christians, Politics, and the Art of Bearing Witness on amazon.com. You can also take the Serpents and Doves online course here. You can purchase First Nation Version at ivpress.com (use IVPPOD20 for a 20% discount). You can also find Terry's other book Birth of the Chosen One, which offers an indigenous translation of the Christmas story along with Native American artwork. Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

What happens when your modern English translation renders the meaning of biblical names, connecting this with the practices of the ancient Hebrews and traditional Native Americans? Terry M. Wildman, of Ojibwe and Yaqui ancestry, is the Lead Translator, Editor, and Project Manager of the First Nations Version. He is the Director of Spiritual Growth and Leadership Development for Native InterVarsity, and the founder of the non-profit Rain Ministries. He has previously served as a pastor and worship leader. Terry and his wife, Darlene, live in Maricopa, Arizona, on the traditional lands of the Pima and Tohono O'odham. Together, they are the Grammy-nominated and Nammy award-winning musical duo and recording artists known as RainSong. Check out related programs at Wheaton College: B.A. in Classical Languages (Greek, Latin, Hebrew): https://bit.ly/4e00ejF  M.A. in Biblical Exegesis: https://bit.ly/3A3ZDQd 

In honor of Indigenous People’s Day, we’re re-playing my conversation with Terry Wildman! Terry Wildman is the lead translator and project manager of the First Nations Version of the New Testament. In this conversation, Terry talks about the intersection of being Christian and Native and what that has meant for him as he has explored the two, … Continue reading Episode 270 – Terry Wildman (re-release!)

Terry Wildman joins David Capes again on The Stone Chapel Podcast. He is an indigenous church leader who makes his home in Phoenix, along with his wife, Darlene. He led the effort to create the First Nations Version: An Indigenous Bible Translation of the New Testament (InterVarsity Press). You can hear David's and Terry's conversation about that here. Now, Terry and the First Nations Version Translation Council are teaming up to translate the Psalms and Proverbs in their new version. The translation has many interesting features, some of which they detail here. And “voice of thunder with a good medicine spirit,” as Terry is called in native Ojibwe, does a fantastic reading of two psalms. For a fresh look at the Scriptures, do yourself a. favor. Pick up your own copy soon. The Stone Chapel Podcast is part of the ChurchLeaders Podcast Network. For a transcript of this episode click here: https://churchleaders.com/podcast-episode/psalms-proverbs-terry-wildman To listen to previous episodes of “The Stone Chapel Podcast” click here. This podcast is about 20 minutes in length.

The First Nations Version is a new Bible translation created by and created for native Americans. The project director, Terry Wildman, joined David Capes on The Stone Chapel Podcast to talk about the impetus to the translation and to read selections. You can read the transcript of this episode here: https://churchleaders.com/podcast-episode/stone-chapel-bible-first-nations-terry-wildman Check out other podcasts on the ChurchLeaders Podcast Network. To listen to previous episodes of “The Stone Chapel Podcast” click here.

Terry Wildman begins our sermon series by giving a overview of the Book of Psalms

Terry Wildman joins us and gives us a fresh look at the Beatitudes from Matthew's Gospel.

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Read more about the Wildman's ministry Rain MinistriesExplore the book Terry Wildman referenced called Becoming Kin: An Indigenous Call to Unforgetting the Past and Reimagining Our FutureFollow Terry on Instagram @fnv.nt and on Facebook @FirstNationsVersion or @TerryMWildmanExplore the First Nations Translation of the New Testament and get 30% off when you use the code PLACE23 at checkout.Contact Cyndi Parker through Narrative of Place.Learn more about me and sign up for upcoming tours of Israel/Palestine.Join Cyndi Parker's  Patreon Team! 

Read more about the Wildman's ministry Rain MinistriesExplore the book Terry Wildman referenced called Becoming Kin: An Indigenous Call to Unforgetting the Past and Reimagining Our FutureExplore the First Nations Translation of the New Testament and get 30% off when you use the code PLACE23 at checkout.Contact Cyndi Parker through Narrative of Place.Learn more about me and sign up for upcoming tours of Israel/Palestine.Join Cyndi Parker's  Patreon Team! 

Terry M. Wildman (Ojibwe and Yaqui) is the lead translator, general editor, and project manager of the First Nations Version of the Bible. He serves as the director of spiritual growth and leadership development for Native InterVarsity. He is also the founder of Rain Ministries and has previously served as a pastor and worship leader. In this conversation, I wanted to get Terry's perspecive on how Native Americans feel about the 4th of July. Not trying to spoil your fire works celebration. Just trying to help us have a more thorough--indeed, Christian--perspecive on the liturgies of the empire. https://www.ivpress.com/terry-m-wildman 

Terry Wildman shares his story, and how he came to begin his ministry serving the First Nations.

Our beloved Podcast host, and the Founder and CEO of Be the Bridge, turns 50 today! So we are taking a moment to celebrate the one and only Latasha Morrison! We've gathered some messages from guests you have heard on the show and guests you will hear soon. We hope you enjoy hearing Latasha honored by the words of Marcie Alvis Walker, Cam Lee Small, Angela Gonzalez, Dr. Claudia May, Raymond Chang, Michelle Ferrigno Warren, Faitth Brooks, Terry Wildman, Annie F. Downs, Dr. Terence Lester, and Jo Saxton. Please join in the celebration over on social media! Share your words of encouragement, support, and appreciation for Latasha on this milestone birthday on our Instagram and Facebook posts today. Thank you for being part of the Be the Bridge community and celebrating Latasha with us!

It all started when Terry found a Hopi translation of the Bible that no one could read.   Sadly, the Hopi people were never taught to read their language, so it sat in a shed gathering dust. This made Terry realize that the Native American people didn't have a translation that spoke to them in their heart language.   Terry started small. He wrote and recorded, The Great Story from the Sacred Book. And it won the award for Best Spoken World from the Native American Music Awards. This began the journey that resulted in him and a team of translators translating the New Testament into what we now call the First Nations Version. A beautiful translation that will speak to your heart, Native American or not.   Some highlights from our conversation: Terry shares the backstory of the FNV. It all started when he was serving as a pastor to the Hopi people, and he found a Hopi translation of the Bible that no one could read. This helped him realize that most First Nations people could not read in their own language and there was no translation that really spoke to them in their heart language. Terry started slowly with audio recording. This recording won the Best Spoken Word award for the Native American Music Awards. Terry realized then that this was a needed project. We talk about some of the decisions he and the translation team made with names. And why that matters so much in the Native American culture. We discuss the oral culture – and how this translation leans into the patterns of oral storytelling. The FNV is a dynamic equivalence translation. Dynamic equivalence allows the translator to make edits as needed, so the translated text is comprehensible within the receiving culture. Oftentimes the target audience is not familiar with the source language or culture and needs idioms and references explained or localized to make sense. Terry shares the Lord's prayer with us and how he thought through the phrase, “give us our daily bread.” And how daily bread for native American people would have been different than bread. So he used words like buffalo, corn, squash, and wild rice to communicate this truth. Another important change they made was in how they translated the word “sin.” Many Native American people were told long hair was a sin, speaking in their native language was a sin – even being a Native American person felt sinful to them. Since this word had been abused, Terry sought a new way to communicate this truth. He came up with “bad hearts and broken ways.” Terry also shares his vision for how all people groups can learn from each other. It's beautiful. We end with a discussion on Ephesians 4 and Terry closes us by reading the Lord's Prayer and praying over us. Don't miss this!   You can find Terry and the FNV at: https://firstnationsversion.com/ On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FirstNationsVersion/ On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fnv.nt/ On Twitter: https://twitter.com/TerryMWildman     Great News! You can order the FNV for 30% off and free shipping from IVP until June 7, 2023 at: https://www.ivpress.com/first-nations-version-paperback   You can find Jodie at http://www.jodieniznik.com/ Instagram @creatingspaceforgod Facebook @JodieGNiznik Download free sample chapters from my Bible studies here. Download your free Lectio Divina Journal here.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We have been made new. And God invites us to live in a way that represents who you are – standing in a good way and walking a true and sacred path. As you meditate on Ephesians 4, allow the Spirit to help you notice something from these words that applies to your own life.   We're meditating on this passage from the First Nations Version. In the companion podcast, I have a Conversation with Terry Wildman, the lead translator for the FNV (releases on Wednesday, 5/24). We discuss why he felt led to make this translation and why it's needed.   You can find Jodie at http://www.jodieniznik.com/ Instagram @creatingspaceforgod Facebook @JodieGNiznik Download free sample chapters from my Bible studies here. Download your free Lectio Divina Journal here.   The exact verses read in this podcast are printed here for your use: Ephesians 4:22-24, FNV Take off that worn-out and stained outfit of your past life with its selfish desires and worthless ways of thinking. It no longer represents who you are. You are now true human beings, with a new way of seeing and thinking. Put on the regalia of your new life. For you have been made new, created again to look like the one who made you, standing in a good way, and walking a true and sacred path.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In today's episode Heather sits down with Karen González for part two of our four-part pod-class titled “Who Is My Neighbor?” If you're joining us fresh, make sure to catch last week's episode where we opened the series with Native American Bible translator Terry Wildman. This week, Karen challenges us to question our positionality as we engage with the stories we love in Scripture. “We will discover that we're not Joseph; we're Egypt.” Heather also chats with our favorite social media expert, Brady Shearer, for this week's Social Toolkit. Brady explains why he believes social media is not just a tool for ministry; it is ministry. Guest Bio Karen González is the author of The God Who Sees. She is a speaker, writer, storyteller, and immigrant advocate, who herself immigrated from Guatemala as a child. Karen is a former public-school teacher and attended Fuller Theological Seminary, where she studied theology and missiology. For the last 13 years, she has been a non-profit professional, currently working for an organization based in Baltimore, MD, that serves refugees and other immigrants. Her latest book is called Beyond Welcome: Centering Immigrants in our Christian Response to Immigration. Host Bio Heather Thompson Day is an associate professor of communication at Andrews University in Berrien Springs, Michigan. She is the author of eight books, including I'll See You Tomorrow and It's Not Your Turn. Reach out to Heather on Twitter @HeatherTDay and on Instagram @heatherthompsonday. Viral Jesus is a production of Christianity Today Host and creator: Heather Thompson Day Executive Producer: Ed Gilbreath Producer: Loren Joseph Associate Producer: Azurae Phelps Mix Engineer: Alex Carter Director of CT Podcasts: Mike Cosper Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This Quoircast Podcast episode is brought to you by Drugs And Jesus by Joshua Lawson published by Quoir. The book will be available April 11, 2023 on Amazon In this episode we chat with Terry Wildman Terry Wildman, born and raised in Michigan, is of Ojibwe and Yaqui ancestry. Terry is an author, recording artist, songwriter, storyteller, and public speaker. He is the Lead Translator and Project Manager of the First Nations Version New Testament published by IinterVarsity Press and the "Chief" of Rain Ministries, a nonprofit organization based in Arizona, Terry has also been the Director of Spiritual Growth and Leadership Development with Native InterVarsity since June of 2020. Beginning in the year 2000 Terry and his wife Darlene have invested their lives in sharing the message of Jesus with the First Nations people of Turtle Island (North America). You can follow Terry on: Facebook     Twitter     LinkedIn     YouTube To find all things First Nations Version check out the website You can purchase the First Nations Version on Amazon.com You can connect with This Is Not Church on: Facebook     Instagram      Twitter     TikTok     YouTube Also check out our Linktree for all things This Is Not Church related Please like and follow our Quoircast Partners: Heretic Happy Hour     Messy Spirituality     Apostates Anonymous  Ideas Digest     The New Evangelicals     Snarky Faith Podcast     Wild Olive Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you're thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!  

This season we are focusing on justice as an aspect of spiritual formation and we believe Lent to be the perfect season to explore this connection. Using A Just Passion: A Six-Week Lenten Journey, and the lectionary, we will look at various aspects of justice, its importance to God and why the modern church has often regrettably failed to live out God's call to “do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with the Lord.”   In week two, Ruth and Transforming Center team member Tina Harris sit down with Terry Wildman, translator of the First Nations Version of the New Testament. The three discuss the tragic impact colonialism has had on indigenous people, the part Christianity has played in it and how he sees the First Nations Version translation as an act of justice. Terry also reads his translation of the lectionary reading in his own voice. This conversation is incredibly powerful and insightful.    Lectionary scripture for this week: Genesis 12:1-4a Psalm 121 Romans 4:1-5, 13-17 John 3:1-10 or Matthew 17:1-9   Mentioned in this episode:   First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament Terry M. Wildman, of Ojibwe and Yaqui ancestry, is the Lead Translator and Project Manager of the First Nations Version. He serves as the Director of Spiritual Growth and Leadership Development for Native InterVarsity. He's also the founder of Rain Ministries and has previously served as a pastor and worship leader. Together they are the GRAMMY-nominated and Nammy award-winning musical duo and recording artists known as RainSong.   Journey with us this Lent! Our season is inspired by A Just Passion: A Six-Week Lenten Journey, and many of our guests are contributors to this resource.    Music Credit: Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist Returning from Lent Music in Solitude   Support the podcast! This season, in addition to receiving overflow conversation from the episode, patrons at all levels will receive weekly reflection questions intended to help them journey through Lent with both the podcast and the resource A Just Passion! Become a patron today by visiting our Patreon page!   The Transforming Center exists to create space for God to strengthen leaders and transform communities. You are invited to join our next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.  Delivered in nine quarterly retreats, this practice-based learning opportunity is grounded in the conviction that the best thing you bring to leadership is your own transforming self!

In honor of Native American Heritage Month we are bringing back our interview with the lead editor of the First Nations Version, Terry Wildman, we recorded last year. For more information on the translation, go to firstnationsversion.com.

The first of four episodes in our series looking at the phenomenon of White Tears. This episode features Terry Wildman, Sheyi Martins-Allen and Golibé Omenaka. You can find out more about Terry Wildman, Rain Ministries, and the First Nation's Version of the Bible at his website or wherever books are sold: https://firstnationsversion.com/You can find Sheyi Martins-Allen (a former guest on Tent Talks) on Instagram here, discover her music here, and learn about her educational services at her website: https://martinsalleneducation.com/You can find out more about Golibé Omenaka (a former guest on Tent Talks) by listening to his podcast Of Saints and Sorrow: https://anchor.fm/golibe-omenakaHas anything we make been interesting, useful or fruitful for you? You can support us by becoming a Fellow Traveller on our Patreon page HERE.

Pastor and Author (and Vineyard Gilbert supported missionary) Terry Wildman shares a P.S. to the sermon series "The Kingdom" with the message "Arise and Shine."

Without a doubt, this was one of the most fun and humble and exciting interviews I have ever done. Terry Wildman is the point man behind the First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament. Terry was so gracious as to talk with me for a full hour and we discussed not using the word "God" in the translation, Rabbis as "wisdom-keepers," the prayer practices of his people, decolonizing the Scriptures, and how this translation has been so positively received by so many various types of peoples and cultures globally. https://firstnationsversion.com | www.johnchaffee.com

Without a doubt, this was one of the most fun and humble and exciting interviews I have ever done. Terry Wildman is the point man behind the First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament. Terry was so gracious as to talk with me for a full hour and we discussed not using the word "God" in the translation, Rabbis as "wisdom-keepers," the prayer practices of his people, decolonizing the Scriptures, and how this translation has been so positively received by so many various types of peoples and cultures globally. https://firstnationsversion.com | www.johnchaffee.com

Mark and Rex are joined by their award winning student associate producer, Matthew Todd, to recap the highlights of season 3. TRANSCRIPT 0:01 Everyone welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore 0:04 and your co-host Rex Gurney and resident minion, Matthew, Todd, 0:07 and Rex and Matthew, we are excited today. This is Season Three finales. And this is our final one before we go into summer reruns. And we're just going to look back at the show, and we're going to introduce you maybe more to the minion in the room. Mr. Matthew, just show you the reach 0:25 of Jessup Think. Actually, I connected with one of my former seminary friends is living outside of DC and they've been there forever. And I mentioned that you have podcasts and so he listened to all season three backwards, he said, 0:39 Oh, there we go. Well, we hope you enjoy the season three finale. 0:43 Yeah. Well, if you're listening then and I can, I can spread it to my new place, too. 0:48 So where's your new place? So here 0:50 what we have, we have to have a break for them to and then we'll start the episode. You know what I'm saying? Like that was the intro. So we can tailor if you're listening after the enjoy season three finale, you can you can go into the music and then 1:08 oh, yeah, okay. 1:10 I forgot we're pros here. 1:11 Yeah, we just 1:13 so Pro that we gave him extra content to work with 1:15 just more content. So now we'll start the podcast portion of the show. 1:29 Rex and Matt, so glad to have you. That might be the first time I've ever called you, man in my life. 1:35 I feel like one of those things that you wipe your feet on when you come into someone's house. 1:39 That's true. Do you prefer Matthew? I do. 1:42 However, I think you know, being Matt is sort of biblical, because you're supposed to be humble and let everybody walk. 1:51 In a sense, doormats, right, they wash your feet, and when one manner of speaking if you kind of wipe your shoes on it, you know, and that's that's what Jesus would do. 1:59 And you know, that is why Matthew Todd our associate, slash minion, hear the podcast was one of the most distinguished Jessup graduates when one of our highest award he was you can just see there's just Biblical stuff dripping all over him. Right, 2:16 right. Yeah, that's right. He's an award winning graduate of Jessup for this last year. And the reason he's on the show for the last year, he's been our kind of associate producer, helping helping the show helping us with social media. Amen. 2:31 Amen. And finally, being the spur that we needed to actually get T shirts and we made the two years after he made the T shirts happen, 2:39 you can probably hear it, but I'm wearing it right now. Let me just give you a little sound a little sneak preview. 2:43 We heard that T shirt in the wind. Well, yeah, so you graduated. And where? Where are you going? What's life after Jessup? 2:53 So I got my degree in biology, and I am going to start pharmacy school in the fall and the University of Florida at their Orlando campus. So very excited about that. I'll be leaving in less than two months. 3:07 There you go. See, look at look what can happen with a Jessup grand now here on the West Coast, get a biology degree 3:15 and then go directly to what second string Promised Land Texas is first string but but Florida is pretty close. 3:24 Now I had to go I had to rank the promised lands, you know? 3:27 Yeah. Great. University of Florida pharmacy school. 3:32 That sounds good. Yeah. 30 minutes from Disney World, basically. Hey, there you go. Yeah, dealing drugs, 3:37 you're gonna have to be an official drug dealer. 3:41 But for my street cred for the for the podcast. I have to mention, I also graduated with a Bible minor. Very much like every single other exact transfer of Jessup, who graduates but so 3:53 I mean, you did win the award a graduation, you won our highest male Graduate Award, I 3:59 believe, right. Yeah. That's called the founder award, the founder or which means I'm, I guess that means I'm like William Jessup, but I've never met him. So hopefully, that's like a good thing. 4:09 You do get your name on a plaque somewhere. I think 4:13 it has John Jackson's thumbprint on it. Okay. I think I can maybe save that and sell it or something. Yeah, get 4:18 a piece of tape. You know, St. Peter's asking for that. I've heard at the pearly gates. 4:22 So I know he's like, Well, 4:25 like here, I'm a Founders Award. Because you embody the spirit of Bill Jessen. 4:30 Oh, wow. Yeah. I never even knew him. Did you guys ever meet the founder? No, no, I didn't assume 4:36 more. Yeah, it was son, his grandson, actually. Yeah. Yeah. So when you were hired here, Mark was was Bryce still president? Yeah. 4:45 It was it was his last year 2010 Wow. 4:49 I remember when I was first hired. I was walking across the old campus with Bryce Jessup and he said he was really I don't know if I should be saying this on the podcast, but he cuz I was really glad I was at Jessup because he wanted me to try to set some people theologically straight on campus. 5:06 Oh, there we go. He's talking about but coming in as the Enforcer, I 5:11 guess. 5:12 Yeah. And we'll assume that you did that, you know, I don't know. I believe it set him right. Or maybe they're gone now. And they've never been heard from again. Exactly. That is kind of enforcement. That's how it works. And I Bryce gave them kind of a wink. And then Rex is like, Alright, I'm gonna figure out what that means. Well, we 5:29 actually have some brutal faculty meetings back in the day, as far as professors yelling at each other about whether we were an Arminian or a Calvinist school. Oh, I remember of theology professor almost jumping up on a table and just screaming and everybody, because there was a little bit of Calvinists talk that he was very uncomfortable with. Oh, that was years ago, though. Yeah, the good thing is we don't do that. And I've 5:52 repented of that. 5:55 An earlier version. The bad thing is that, you know, maybe we don't take theology seriously enough to jump on tables and screaming at each other anymore. I've lost something. 6:05 Yeah, we've lost a little bit of the passion. Yeah, a little bit of the passion 6:08 and even read those stories, because supposedly, that's a pretty common thing with theology like meetings, they can get really heated about their, what they're talking about, there was someone talking about how the serpent would have moved before it slid on its belly, and somebody got mad, and at the accusation that supposedly it could bounce like a pogo stick, and they were getting really, really angry, and irate. And it's like, recorded somebody, like, typed down all the things they said, quote, 6:34 I got transcripts. 6:35 I did not know that. I didn't know the full knowledge that I had never happened. Yeah, definitely. Good. We 6:41 have. So as a snake could pogo stick before? Before the temptation? Yeah, 6:48 because the curse was that he now had this. 6:50 Yeah, maybe that's maybe that's what made him so intriguing to Adam and Eve that he just didn't. Yeah, you're like, Wait, what is this snake doing? Amazing. See theology? Well, I'm one of the purposes of the podcast is to help make theology a little bit, you know, more accessible, more accessible part of the conversation. So you're learning stuff. And just, you know, we did have a pretty amazing season, you know, looking back on the guests we were able to, to get, and it was our first season having an associate producer, student producer. So thank you, Maddie Todd, for all of your work. But even starting out at the gates, cause our seasons go from September to the end of June. And then July and August are always reruns. So we'll pull some of our best shows from season three. And we'll play him as reruns this summer sort of greatest? Yeah, exactly. And we were able to, we kind of started off season three with Caitlin shez, who's author of the liturgy of politics. And I think on that one I was, you were out of town. So I was able to actually, it was excellent. I think it's gonna be one of our one of our reruns, because she just had an amazing way of talking about that. For one, everything in our lives is political. So when you try to say like, No, I'm not trying, I'm not political. Almost every decision we make has, has some type of political ramification or, you know, and so it's like, hey, instead of distancing ourselves saying, okay, life is political. What does that mean? What does that mean to be a faithful Christian in in politics? And not not just in she kind of strays away from like, partisan politics, but just in politics? What does it mean to be a Christian and to be faithful in that, so really helpful. Went from Caitlin chest to Priscilla Pope Leveson, who we had her husband, Jack Lovcen on in her book, models of Revelation, our models, how we say that models revelation, because that's the Avery Dulles that she based it on models of evangelism. And I thought that was it was really helpful book because I had not thought of the different ways of evangelism in that way. And the categorization was good, and it also made me I am pretty skeptical of kind of the cold calling evangelism. Oh, yes. 9:31 I remember in seminary, we actually, we actually had to go to the beach and annoy people. I remember doing that. I think, yeah, I did it. I did it. And I did it. I did it. Yeah. We used to walk around basically, you know, with a question if I mean, you know, you know, the question, this is a nice goal, right? Yes. Like if, if you were to be run over by a bus Do you know? Like, that's the best question we can come up with 10:00 You have the best starter, 10:01 and I did in like summer camp, we would ask what what do you think happens when you die? And I remember specifically, someone just was like, my ashes are gonna be spread across the world. And that's the end of it and they just like walked away. I was like, well, at least he saw of it. Yeah. 10:15 He's confident. 10:18 However, we can demystify evangelism, because that's just one. 10:22 I think that's important. Yeah, she had a chapter on that. And, and it was kind of like, yeah, the, you know, I think because of my fear of kind of the cold calling, it also plays itself out in me maybe not bringing up Yeah, yeah, God enough when I could, you know, obviously, you know, with our professions, Rex, it kind of comes up. I mean, I guess you can be like, I teach history. Rama was like, Hey, I teach and they're like, Oh, what do you teach theology? You know, and they're like, Oh, okay. 10:53 Well, you know, depending on whether I want to have a conversation or not, with a seat meet on a plane, I can actually when the dreaded question comes up, what do you do? I can say two different things and be truthful, saying both things. I can say I'm a college professor, and that has implications but I can also say, I'm an ordained Southern Baptist pastor. Oh, yeah, that's usually that if you want to start a conversation stopper right there almost every time 11:18 you're like, I'm gonna put my headphones back in. 11:20 Oh, you got like the select for you that that's like a conversation starter that they like, suddenly just get into it, you know? 11:26 Yeah. Yeah. But it was, for me. Yeah. The chapter was was helpful. Like, hey, there's there is a place right. And there are I mean, here's the reason why. Why not only a Christian do many Mormons do it. I mean, I agree. You're, you're out there. So I thought that was yeah, I'd never really thought of evangelism. And it was always kind of nervous about this over evangelism, I guess. Yeah. And the way she broke it down and the models I thought, were really helpful to bring them back in. Then we had Terry Wildman on the show with the First Nations version translation of the New Testament that was so cool, which I've been doing my kind of devotion, sorry, devotion, flex, they're out of it. And it's just 12:13 they've been doing the same amazing, in fact, this morning, and I hadn't thought about that, that connection, but it's providential. Apparently, I actually finished the last chapter of John. And so the copy that I have of the First Nations version that he's that he's responsible for, is just the Gospels and acts and Ephesians. And so I just finished it up today. It's been really helpful for me, in fact, I actually have the Lord's Prayer in the First Nations version on my wall in my office here. That's great love how I love how he have this translated. 12:52 Yeah, it is because it talks about the corn and in the Buffalo maybe. Yeah, brings in like it brings in Yeah, marry 13:03 the good row cultural. Yeah. 13:04 Good road. wanna 13:05 walk the good. 13:07 Fun fact about Terry Wildman? He has a he has a connection with Sacramento. He was actually just in Sacramento a couple of weeks ago, staying at one of the board members at our churches. Oh, wow. She's She's worked for university for 30 Some years and he was doing a retreat. And he said he's going to be back in the Sacramento region doing maybe we can get him on the show again. Yeah, we could have him live on the live on the show. That would be that'd be great. We went from Terry Wildman. I mean, this is we went Kailyn shez Priscilla Pope Levison tear Wildman with the First Nations version to Dr. Lauren haarsma from Calvin College, Calvin University, in his book, which was very theological winded sin begin. It's interesting that you brought up the snake. Yeah, and the pogo stick the snake and the pogo stick. But it was really helpful to, you know, because in this conversation of theology and, or faith and science, you know, especially in terms of a doctrine of creation, is it's hard to understand and theologically, right, like some of the things that we're seeing in the fossil record and in, you know, in actual scientific data, like, I think he was helpful to say, we can't be afraid of that. And it's not that that shapes our, you know, or molds, our theology, but our theology should understand that and it's kind of like they can dialogue together 14:48 right now, one thing I really appreciate about this book and I actually went out and bought it after the after the pot because I really wanted to not just skim it, but you know, take a deep dive into it is I Think you probably remember me saying because actually, Matthew was in my Christian perspective classes last semester. So I might have said, I'm a broken record, I say the same thing over and over again, but haven't got same stick, same stick every time. Try to modify it if it doesn't work. But anyway, my ears. I probably said something like, there's some class. But, you know, with the science and faith thing, there's very few kind of bullet proof positions that you can have if you want to take both the biblical witness and the scientific consensus seriously, right. Yeah. And so you know, with them with age of the earth and that kind of thing. You do have certain questions that have to be answered about the first chapter of Genesis. But the second and third, is something that theistic evolutionists have to deal with too, because how do you actually get the fall into this? And how does that make sense from an older standpoint? Right. Right. There's no easy solutions to those things. Yeah. 15:58 Yeah. And that's what he's really kind of tackling that. Yeah. In the book tackling Okay, where does the fall right in right? Did it have to? Like, did Adam and Eve have to be the very first actually humans or hominids? Or were they in alignment, he gave a couple of different options that I think fit with the biblical text and also fit with current scientific research, which I thought was really helpful. Because it's, it's, it's unfortunate, and especially in terms of theology, where we could take a position as a church that then forces people when they go to a biology class, especially at just a state school or anywhere else, right. That means 16:46 we're gonna see at the University of Florida, yeah. 16:47 And we received Florida this no Christ in anywhere in that time, 16:50 right? Not at all. That we put them in a position to where they have to be either reject what they're hearing in class or reject the Bible. And it's like, and I think Dr. Aardsma did a good job of being like, hey, there's we don't have to reject these two. Can Yeah, yes. And we can learn what's the what is the theological principle that's being taught in Scripture? And, and how does that then help us approach things we see in the scientific data? Also noting that not just our scientific data isn't concrete, right. And there's still mystery and question and theory involved? Yeah. 17:34 And the landscape changes so rapidly. I mean, like things that we believe now we probably didn't believe 100 years ago, right. And we're not gonna maybe believe 100 years from now. Right? Should the Lord always growing upon what we 17:45 have to say that for the Lord, millennials, 17:49 for in terms of science and mean, as well, I love that actually, in that Christian perspective, class, there were so many questions. You had discussion questions about the intersection of faith and science, because I was like, This is my thing. And most people are like, Oh, I don't really know anything about science. Like I know all. 18:06 I know, we just defer to our resident expert, Matthew Todd. 18:08 Yeah. So Matthew, in your biology class, 18:12 you think about this. And so I got up my pulpit was like, Well, guys, I'm just kidding. Yeah. 18:17 Well, in that yeah, so that one might, that one might make a comeback on the on the summer reruns. We got four episodes that we do summer reruns, and we have 18:26 so many wonderful podcasts to choose from. 18:28 I know we really do. Think we are. We are getting close to 100 episodes. Wow. It's season four. We'll get we'll reach 100 episodes. So any plans for when that happens? I know we're sound effects. Fireworks. Yeah. 18:45 Well let the Patreon people decide. And if you haven't heard of Patreon, just you'll hear about at some point. Okay, 18:54 ah, oh, yeah, you will hear about Patreon at some point. 18:57 I mean, yeah, maybe they'll do something wild. Who knows? Yeah, it will be well, I'm expecting some jumping on tables and shouting, just like we kind of previewed at the beginning of the episode. 19:07 Okay. Yeah, shouting each other with your Patreon. Yeah, it's happening. Moved from that we did kind of a pretty good stretch of of having outside guests on. We had Hillary McBride on after that, and a psychologist and talking about the wisdom of your body, listen to your body. And I think it's so important, so important to to understand the embodied nature of human beings and that our actual physical bodies while it's not the totality of who we are, it is a part of who we are. 19:49 And it's really necessary to reclaim that phrase. Yeah, popular music, because right is listening to their bodies in ways that perhaps are not helpful. 19:57 Right. And that's very true and hips dome All right, so yeah, 20:01 it's like we have this fun, we have an interesting designation between, like, you know, we consider to be like the flesh that you can listen to, but it's also the body that we were given, you know, God came, or Jesus came to earth and a body. Yeah. And so for a reason, right? We're not meant to just hate it and just wish that we were just little souls like, in our movie soul that just float around. 20:21 Right, yeah, we are embodied. And, and we have to listen to what our body is saying in terms of health. And in terms of mental health, all that. I mean, like body doesn't just mean Yeah, I think sometimes in the church we talked about body has just like flesh, flesh versus spirit, right? Yeah. Flesh is bad. And we kind of, even if we don't explicitly say that, I think people catch that in church, right? And so they they end up, I was just listening to the songs sung from back in the 90s. That was kind of like an under underground song. But one of the lines said, I grew up. I was told when I was young, not to trust in my body. Oh, 21:07 that's from Bruce Cockburn. Yeah. And I actually love that song. Sort of last night, an amazing song. It is, hey, yeah, I knew Rex and 21:20 interesting thing about Bruce Kapur and you know, so he had moved to San Francisco. And started for the first time in a long time, he's always self identified as a Christian, but kind of doesn't want to have anything to do with the institutional church. Yeah. But um, started going to church with his wife in San Francisco. And they had some issues with getting musicians for their praise band. And yeah, nobody knew who he was. You know? Because if you don't know, you don't know. And the guy's kind of older now. So yeah, he's like, Well, you know, I'll play guitar with you. Yeah. And they didn't realize that a guy that's playing guitar in their praise band is like this famous singer songwriter. Right. So, you know, 21:59 that's amazing. Yeah, that's just, that's really cool. Well, I knew I could tell from the song that it was. And even that mine, that he had had some type of relationship with a church trying, you know, grew up learning not to trust my body. And then the next line is I've carried that burden all my life. And I thought, wow, that's really interesting. And we have to be careful about that in the church. Now, like what you were saying, Rex, like, there are, like listening to your body doesn't mean and I think Hillary did a good job of this doesn't mean you listen to whatever it says, right? You know, I mean, especially when we're talking about kind of what we would I'm doing air quotes here. Like, fleshly, you know, desires. But that's not necessarily like, body related. I mean, I think we have to make that distinction of our actual physical body versus what Paul would be talking about as flesh. 22:51 Right? Exactly. Yeah. Cuz your body is made of flesh. And so it's confusing in our English language. 22:57 Right? Right. Yeah, it is. And it's, and it is confusing, because the Greek that Paul's using literally just means flesh. So and we have to kind of, you know, we go back and forth. Okay, do we, you know, the NIV I think calls it sinful nature. But then we're like, Hey, that's not what the Greek word so then it's like, well, flesh, but flesh doesn't really help us. Because it's not literally the pink stuff, you know, underneath your skin that Paul's talking about. So I thought that was that was really helpful. And I think particularly, her book was helpful. I feel like there is a big focus on the body in culture. And some good some bad, right? But I think it's, it's a focus of, hey, we have to, we have to learn how to live in our bodies in your bodies. And I think it's also helpful. As you get older, I'm getting older and you have to listen to your body right body can't do the same things you could do when you were 20. So what 23:54 is the gray your beard sustained? Yeah, 23:56 exactly. The beard. You know, the gray. What's that? Like, guys? I don't even now it's just more wisdom. 24:04 Just more of any, 24:05 I'm one step closer to playing Santa Claus. That is my life goal, My life goal. We move from there and did a little bit of the advent calendar. I think we're always you know, one of the things Rex and I love to do is bring in kind of church calendar and liturgical practices. I'm really, really drawn to that. We were also able to have one of our we actually over the course of this season, we had two of our psychology profs on and on, but we started with Melanie Trowbridge. And we just talked about kind of mental health in the church and how the church doesn't always approach mental health in a gentle way, in an empathetic way. And just really important, especially I mean, more and more news reports coming out me know of a Just the amount of kind of a mental health crisis among college students among younger but also among adults, I mean, adults are not immune in any way. And what's it like 25:13 over half of folks are going to have at some point in life, a verifiable mental, right health episode of some sort, right? Nice is ubiquitous. 25:24 And it seems like maybe on the church side, it goes back to the body thing, sometimes we, we deny the physical or neurological part of that. And if we focus only on the spiritual, I think, obviously, I'm a pastor as well, focusing on the spiritual is important. But we also have to focus on the physical and the neurological, I was just reading an article that said, you know, it was talking about the, the hidden cause you're not cause but like, a hidden problem with mental health, especially among high school students. And it was sleep. 26:02 Oh, totally. It was totally my wife's a nurse practitioner. And that's her mom's mantra right now. It's just like, you know, it's how many hours of sleep do you get? Especially when she's dealing with high school students? Because, you know, apparently, until you're 21, you still like go to pediatrics. But anyway, yeah. Um, it's like, you know, so how many hours you know, right, when you get right, it's just an issue. Yeah, it's an issue. 26:26 It's crazy how like, so whenever someone especially like Trowbridge, I've been in summer classes, she's amazing. And that one of the biggest things you can do to kind of help your general health is just sleep, diet and exercise, and how people will buckle those and sleep honestly, it seems like it's almost like, you don't get the choice as much, because you're just forced to work late, you're forced to wake up early to go do other things. And so that one, it seems hard. And diet sometimes can be like, you know, money restrictive, and things like that. But it's, it's funny, because relatively speaking, those are somewhat simple. So the thing is just, you know, closing your eyes and going, right, right and exercises, it can be something like going on a walk and but it can be so difficult sometimes. Yeah, to get all three of 27:08 those. Yeah, it's interesting. I think that's a good picture of life, often the best thing for you is the simple thing. And the simple thing is often the hardest thing to do exactly. I think it's, it's we would rather like no, I'm gonna go to the gym for four hours. And it's like, why don't you just take a 15 minute walk? Just start there. Start there. And you know, take your phone out of your bedroom, turn your computer off and be able to go sleep I mean, 27:38 park in the last space in the parking lot, right yourself have to actually walk a few extra steps. Yeah, here's the things Yeah. 27:45 And diet. Yeah, I don't know. Just saying like something like diet can be financially restrictive. But also when you look at it there are from pretty affordable fruits and vegetables. 27:57 Vegetables live in a food desert, though, and there's all sorts of issues with that. Yeah, nope, an error. Yes, 28:02 very true. 28:04 Very true. In the same way what you were talking about, there's like a difference between going all the way paleo or something like that only go into like extremes Yeah, and just cutting out some sugar like maybe you eat like seven candy bars a day eat like five or four or one or none? That's a good that's a really good good there's smaller things you can do you know, each seven candy bar confession time. The truth is out there not really bars, but Reese's are, are my weakness. 28:34 And when they're only little cups, thing, for those no problem, they're fine. We also had sociologists malicious song on the show from West marsh and Professor Westmark talking about the role of technology and the role of devices. And, and part of that was, you know, the devices that keep us from sleep that can actually keep us from health, you know, now, and I thought it was yeah, really helpful book I keep going back to it when I find myself staring at a screen too long or being caught in this kind of triple screen prison of TV, your phone and, and, and not and what I liked about her approach was it wasn't a hey, you need to throw all these things. Go it's kind of that extreme mood that I had she had it is a like, have habit play a proper role in your life. But also be aware of maybe how you're using it to distract yourself, how you're using it, where it actually is impeding you from maybe being healthy and things like that, you know, so I thought it's we're only going to have to talk about that more and more as as all of our lives are more automated. Now that's not to say that there weren't problems in the 1800s. Right? I mean, I think that's the kopien. Future. Yeah. Like that's the that's my always beef with kind of a technology thing is that yeah, if you just go Luddite doesn't solve all your problems. And, and technology can be used really helpful. I mean, I listened to a ton of audiobooks every year. 30:20 Yeah, it's podcast. There's a Jessup thing. I love listening to it. It's yeah, 30:24 see, you could listen to this podcast. couldn't do that. 30:27 While you take exercise and become healthier. Yeah, actually, yeah. Which will help you sleep better actually, 30:33 literally listen to while you're exercising, wasn't to read for you go to bed. We are the solution. We are the solution, 30:43 we'll have a line of pajamas in a while. 30:47 Oh, hey, all right, we've got a few more few more to go through, we're gonna have another one of our own professors on he's in our leadership and division part of my school, Derek Zond, with his book, looking at how to be Christian and not be a jerk, which is sad that we would have to have a book on that, but it is so true. And it was a helpful, like, Hey, you can be faithful to Scripture, you can be faithful Christian. And, and in fact, I would maybe even go as far to say, if you are a faithful Christian, you shouldn't be a jerk like that would exclude being a jerk. Right? Like, like if you were taking on the characteristics of Christ. And gentleness, humbleness, love, joy, peace, all of those. You wouldn't, but yet we struggle with that. 31:43 Yeah, I find it encouraging because sometimes, I don't know why. Maybe it's just something about some people have hung around who aren't Christians, you get this feeling sometimes that inherently by being Christian, maybe you're being a jerk. There's something about Christianity. And that's not the case. Nothing about like sharing, just saying that you're a Christian is like, in any way rude to people. There's nothing about our faith that is like jerky. It's just the way that you can kind of act and you can be vindictive in certain ways. It's a more behavior. So something like inherently about Christ, that then means that well, if I'm going to serve you this, I gotta be a little bit of a jerk to people. Like, that's not required. 32:16 I think some people will think that though. Okay, everything's in as a guy, 32:23 which is why it's good to have like that book as a reminder, I thought, 32:26 yeah. Yeah. So good. So helpful. After that we were able to have I'm gonna call them a good friend, since you've been on the show a couple times. But Kelly Capek theologian from Georgia, and his book was also on body, right? You're only human how your limits reflect God's design and why that's good news. And I've probably used more from that book in my classes right away than maybe some of all of the books from from this season, I thought it was just, again, really helpful for helping us understand what it means to be human. I've told the maybe partly because it's a little awkward. And so sometimes it's good in class to throw an awkward story in there to wake people up, right, because they're like, Wait, what is happening? But the whole, like, I think I leave out what Kelly Capek, how he starts it, but the whole stare at your belly button. And what does that teach you? Right? Like, like, what does that teach you about you? That means you you were connected to someone else at some point? Like you did not create yourself? You did not, you know, the thought, Wow, that's so. So, so good. And so simple is right there on your own body be like, Wow, I was connected. Meaning we're connected as humans, and he goes into kind of body and the role of the body and listening to the body as well, which, which I really appreciate. I really appreciate it. A lot of what Colin Kaepernick has written and good that we can call him a friend of the show. 34:06 Yeah, I was kind of like all sad that he ended up ditching the former name, which was the theology of navel gazing. For that, yeah, 34:14 he Well, I think, editors sometimes the title committee got rid of that. They were like, No, we're not doing a theology of navel gazing. Yeah, but that will be my upcoming book. Oh, great. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, might as well take that multiple you can get Yeah, exactly. Now that we now that we have it, then we had our scholar who did our, the annual theology spring lecture, Dr. Thomas Reynolds. Up from Canada, he actually wasn't able to then come on campus. But he was able to do that remotely and then obviously join us remotely looking at disability theology of disability and and the church and how the church and when at gained from that one from working in a church. I've thought so much about that, and how, how it's not just we are being accommodating to those with disabilities, but rather how we are including them as as a vital and just normal part of our community is not like, oh, we'll put up or we'll make no, you are a part of our community. And, and that's so important that involves architecture that involves setting things up, but also just involves like, hey, like we are a family together and and we want to embrace that. And I feel like that conversation is, is rising more and more of hey, the church and disability what does that look like? And and how can the church be better at at reaching out? Then we were we had Dr. Aaron Ambrose on to kind of highlight and we did this kind of a two parter. We had Matt on later, Matthew Gatchell to look at, we did we started with toxic masculinity. And, and in some ways, that wasn't necessarily the, what we went into maybe the podcasts that I bought, but that kind of was what emerged because it is looking at, hey, how is the church? And how is culture highlighted masculinity? And how has that? How's that influenced the church and how we talk about what it means to be a man, what it means to be a woman? And what are some things we need to change and when were in the church has been rocking, you know, over this last year, we just had more and more stories and more and more continue to come out of where a an incorrect view of, of masculinity has gotten church leaders in trouble and we look at the Maurice Hill and all of that, and a lot of it is built on this. This incorrect idea of what it means to be a man and and so we were able to follow that one up. I thought Dr. Ambrose did an amazing job. 37:20 One more thing that Dr. Ambrose, we actually went to that conversation, as Mark just mentioned, wants to talk a little bit about something else. But as soon as she spent a couple of minutes with two men here suddenly the whole conversation ended up with toxic man basket. Yeah, 37:35 yeah. Do satisfy other who were probably. Well, I do What are you gonna say? You gotta say, we're probably. I'm just saying we're not. 37:48 You guys are men. We are man. 37:51 We have the beer session. Yeah, we have beards. I don't even feel like that's true. Sorry. Sorry, guys. Sorry, man. No, we had Dr. Brad Harper from Multnomah University, which I thought was one Yeah, one of our more powerful podcasts of the season, looking at his book space at the table. Conversation between an evangelical theologian and his gay son in sight, it was just so helpful way to frame this conversation. I mean, the conversation on human sexuality within the church can be so heated, and so divisive. That I thought it was helpful to say, hey, let's let's talk about the other elements of this story, not just well, how does God define human sexuality? And Brad holds a traditional view of human sexuality, and a traditional view of marriage. He also wrestled with, okay with those views, how do I love my son? How am I in my son's life? And I thought the book just sort of did a good job of balancing that, that there's more, there's more questions involved. And and you can answer the question of maybe what does the Bible say about human sexuality? But you also have to answer the question, what does the Bible say about loving others, as you love yourself, loving your neighbor reaching out? Right? Like, it's not one or the other? It has to be both. And I think Ben Harper did a great job of really helping us helping us there. Then we had a local local pastor Kevin Adams, talking about baptism. And, and again, like, in some ways, this book on baptism was similar to the book on evangelism when I went into it being like, okay, yeah, baptism, part, it's part within these get in the book, and I think as Kevin described it, I was like, Oh, wow, like, I just saw the greater importance not that it wasn't. I mean, it's an important sacrament in our church and it's, but just seeing kind of kind of just a greater focus and what role it can play in someone's spiritual Life I think is really a great book and a really important realization. And that one was able to that one came right on the heels of me having a couple of like interesting baptism stories in my own life that I had to do. And baptizing neighbor and she ended up passing away two weeks after baptizer baptized her with a red solo cup on her couch because she couldn't get underwater. She was stage four, cancer and was passing away. But she'd never been baptized and wanted to be baptized. And then on Easter Sunday, so this would have happened after the episode. On Easter Sunday, actually Easter Saturday. Guy from who was kind of connected to our church, he's struggled with addiction and been in and out. He called me up and wanted to meet at the church. So I was like, alright, you know, and Friday are good Friday service. We filled the baptismal because we were gonna do baptisms on Sunday, even though no one had signed up. But after our good Friday service, we were just like, You know what, take them off. That's yeah, let's fill this, I think, you know, our Lead Pastor Richard was like, I feel like God's name was filler. And so it filled it. And then I met him, and I met this guy and our sanctuary on Saturday. And he was just talking about wanting to change, you know, wanting and wanting to be baptized. And, but he was, he was a little bit skeptical and nervous about coming on Sunday in front of, you know, big Easter crowd. And I was like, hey, it's full right now. And so him and I just him and I in our sanctuary, in our ice cold. We didn't turn the heater on yet. So it was ice cold baptismal. Just did a baptism right there. Yeah, it was just Yeah, it was just really cool. Really cool experience. And I think, probably having read Kevin's book leading up to that made me think about that differently than I would have in the past, 42:04 when I was pastoring. I just grew up in a church where, you know, baptism was obviously important, but we wanted to stray so far away from any sort of sacramental theology surrounding that in our sort of free church tradition Baptist Church, that it was literally just something you tack on to the end of the service, and there was just, you know, not much going on there. Right. And I really felt when I was pastoring, that this is such an important thing without embracing necessarily full full on sacramental ism. It's still just really, really important. And so we would always have the whole service basically. It'll be based on what was happening in baptism, the whole thing? 42:49 Yeah, that's, that's so good. I mean, it's helpful and I think particularly helpful for evangelical communities. Who kind of post reformation and most that have been Yeah, so nervous of anything that strikes of sacramental ism, that it's a this is an important part of of the journey. And the symbolism is so important to symbolism. So important. We were then able to have in this book has still been coming back to my mind. Sociologist George Yancey from Baylor 43:23 and interesting thing about Georgia MC, it's not often that Jessup thinks actually gets a leg up on Christianity today, but we scooped them. Oh, we am on our podcast talking about his book about a couple of months before Christine today actually reviewed it 43:37 every go take that. JT and CT. Yeah, maybe maybe they listened to the episode. And we're like, we need to get that book could be almost. But it was, I feel like it's been a helpful addition to this conversation on race in the church. And, and I think Georgia does a good job of, and I'm a sucker for the Middle Way, right? Or the third way. This this idea of, hey, conversations to the extremes of race on both sides have not been helpful and have not produced reconciliation. So why how do we all come to the table? We all have a voice. And we can know what is good. And we can also say like, Hey, that maybe takes it too far, one way or the other. And I just, it was a helpful, I think a book that and that I think the church could really use because I think sometimes particularly in the evangelical church, a lot of times in the white Evangelical Church, anything that talks about race is being you know, labeled as something that it's not and it's been rejected. And it's like why we have to have a conversation and we have to be in this conversation. And I think Nancy's book is a is a good way to move beyond. That's kind of his title beyond racial division. And to in that moving beyond, right, it's not a moving beyond that, that denies racism or denies that this is happening. What is the book that that understands that it's happening, but it's like how do we move to conversation? How do we move to reconciliation part of moving to it is recognizing that it is happening, right? And, and kind of the repent and lament elements. We were able rounding this off. As we finish up our season finale, we had Cameron Wilson, our English professor on the show, talking about the importance of literature, check that one out, then we were able to have as Guinness right show as well, during the great quest, which that was, I was amazing. I've been reading knives for a lot, large part of my life. And so it was amazing to have a conversation with him. Particularly to hear his life he had such an amazing life story. That that I think was helpful, especially as he frames this book on the meaning of life. What does that look like? And I think we're all there in our lives. Sometimes we go back to it several times, especially when you get to midlife. Or a second stage of life. You're like what is the meaning? You know, I thought I knew it when I was 20. 46:24 I obviously have it down. I'm never gonna change my mind. Clearly. You pretty much know everything. I'm gonna know. Right? Yeah, I just finished. So yeah. 46:31 Yeah, right. Nothing else learn till you hit 40. Then it all changes. Now we had Cynthia shape rally it on the show for a final time as a William Jessup University professor, but possibly not the final, but not the final never, never the never final time we'll be able to, we'll be able to get a hold of her at Baylor. But we're really proud of her and happy for her. She goes to Baylor goes to the big leagues of biblical research. Yeah. And we can we'll be able to tell people we knew her one day. Yeah, we had her in the studio. And 47:07 her best work, of course, was done when she was at Jessup. And so yes, it's gonna be anti climactic. 47:13 Exactly. Just kidding. 47:16 And, and then we had Maddie Gotcha. I've kind of references to Amanda Gatchell on to kind of do a follow up of the toxic masculinity be like, Okay, what is biblical masculinity? You know, and especially, and I think what I have wrestled with and wrestle on the show is like, what are elements in Scripture that are gender specific? And what are not because I think there's so much that is not gender specific, just all of us as Christians need to. And actually, I think if we focus there, that helps us become better men and women. Rather than just trying to be a better man versus a woman. What about being being more Christ like, and as a man, that makes me a better man? 48:04 I think that was one of our longest podcasts too, because we just couldn't stop talking. I mean, right three of the say that all thought this is such an important topic and right in what to do, right and better with that. 48:14 Yeah, it's it's important. And now we're at our season three finale. Three seasons. Moving up. Closing in on 100 episodes. Looking forward to season four as well. Any plans so you're moving to Florida over the summer? Any? Any summer plans while people are? 48:36 Lots of weddings? I got two more. I think that's pretty common for once you graduate. Yeah. 48:41 Once you get everybody's like we're graduated wedding here. Yeah. Yeah. colleges 48:45 that are similar to ours. Yeah. 48:47 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Christian school. You finish it up. And then yeah, so I had to throw a Christian bachelor party too. And that's that was pretty nice story that you can tell because it was we had a devotional, you know, and I was like, there we go. Is Christian There 49:00 you go. That is maybe some coffee involved. Was there some coffee? It was no, I don't like is 49:05 that before after you guys hit the bars? Well, yeah. It was make us feel bad. 49:12 coffee bars. 49:15 The candy bars, right. Like I said, it's definitely day to day until we let loose 49:21 from that very, very nimbly there. 49:24 I brought it up. So I had to expect to be able to dodge Yeah, that's 49:27 true. My Buffy Rex. 49:30 Actually, interestingly enough, we my wife and I are probably going well, planning on spending a week in Orlando. Not to see me you know, not necessarily just to visit our esteemed minion but to go to a conference there and hopefully spent some time with a cousin that lives in Hilton Head and Oh, for years and I've never been there so beautiful to Charleston Savannah, and Some places like that, that as a history person, yeah, you know, wanted to see and never have seen. So we're planning on doing a little bit of 50:07 the South side that might see a little bit of the south of California. So doing some beach camping and a conference in San Diego, which there are worse places. 50:20 So yeah. So dogs the mouse like he is, 50:23 yeah. Is that Yeah, yeah, I will continue to dodge the mouse until the mouse cost less. Then probably getting back to Indiana season family. So yeah. And then also both you and Rex and I are teaching summer classes. So we'll be Well, we hope you enjoyed season three. I hope you enjoyed this kind of little recap, if you hadn't kind of seen those episodes, maybe go back and check them out. We will be pulling for those to do some a rerun. So we hope you enjoy kind of these reruns of highlighting some of these really important episodes and really important issues. And we're looking forward to season four and kind of continuing the conversation and continuing to make you think more deeply about theology and your life. 51:13 Congratulations on making it to the end of the podcast. Be sure to follow us on Instagram @jessupthink where we'll be posting updates and some behind the scenes content. We would love to hear your thoughts on the episode and engage with any questions you might have to leave us a comment or email us at think@jessup.edu. Our aim is to provide a framework for further reflection and deeper exploration of these important topics. And you want to support the show. Leave us a review on iTunes. We can reach more people. Until then, I'm Matthew Todd outro reader extraordinaire, and this has been Jessup Think. 51:45 If you're interested in learning more about Jessup, please visit us at jessup.edu. William Jessup is the premier fully accredited four year Christian University in the Sacramento area offering over 60 academic programs in undergraduate and graduate studies. Designed to see each student whipped and transformed into leader they're called to be as go don't forget to hit subscribe and share so you never miss an episode. 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The First Nations Version of the New Testament is a "translation" of the Christian text by Indigenous peoples that embraces tribes' traditions, storytelling and language patterns in English. We speak with Terry Wildman, the lead translator of the text, about how language choices impact religious beliefs and how the historic relationships between Christian institutions and Indigenous people gave rise to this translation.

The First Nations Version of the New Testament is a "translation" of the Christian text by Indigenous peoples that embraces tribes' traditions, storytelling and language patterns in English. We speak with Terry Wildman, the lead translator of the text, about how language choices impact religious beliefs and how the historic relationships between Christian institutions and Indigenous people gave rise to this translation.

Terry Wildman joins the pod to talk about the First Nations Version, a new translation of the Sacred Scriptures by and for Native North Americans. In this conversation, we talk about what inspired the translation, their choice for the name of Jesus (Creator sets free), and how he hopes the translation will be a blessing to first nations people.  Terry M. Wildman (Ojibwe and Yaqui) is the lead translator, general editor, and project manager of the First Nations Version. He serves as the director of spiritual growth and leadership development for Native InterVarsity. He is also the founder of Rain Ministries and has previously served as a pastor and worship leader. He and his wife, Darlene, live in Arizona. The Future Christian Podcast is a production of Torn Curtain Arts and Resonate Media.

We were excited to welcome Terry Wildman this past Sunday as he continued our vision series "Love, Acceptance and Forgiveness" with the message "Loving Enemies." Terry and his wife Darlene also co-led worship with Joel - it's always a blessing when they join us!

In this episode, Terry Wildman invites you on a journey to rediscover the Scriptures through the Native lens. Terry Wildman's ancestry is Ojibwe and Yaqui. He is the lead translator and project manager for the First Nations Version, an Indigenous translation of the New Testament. Storytelling, the cultural practice of naming, and embracing the Great Mystery all play a role in this faithful and refreshing translation. Listen as Terry paints a picture of the church as a sacred family in which the gifts of all ethnicities are valued and have a seat at the table.    See the show notes for an episode reflection and more resources.

What is the First Nations Version of the New Testament? Colette Aikema interviews author Terry Wildman to understand the FNV and the different responses this new translation has received. They discuss the process used to create this translation, examples from the FNV, and the vast impact it has on reaching our Indigenous neighbours.

In this episode we chat with native American, author, songwriter and storyteller, Terry Wildman. Terry was also the lead translator and general editor of the First Nations Bible, a fascinating project that produced a translation of the New Testament that reflects the language, symbolism and rituals of native peoples. So we ask Terry to unpack indigenous spirituality for us, and to reflect on how the Church has historically treated native peoples, how this triggered his deconstruction and the role an indigenous worldview and spirituality played in the reconstruction of his faith. Interview starts at 17m 56s Show Notes → Nomad is able to produce episodes like this one because a group of faithful listeners help us pay the bills. Our supporters gain access to the Nomad community - which manifests as Nomad Book Club and The Beloved Listener Lounge - and bonus episodes, such as Nomad Contemplations, Nomad Devotionals and Nomad Revisited. And you may find yourself the proud owner of a Beloved Listener mug! Head over to our Patreon page and our own members page to donate. You might also want to have a look at our blog, which we use to share the stories of the evolving faith of our podcast listeners. And if you're looking for other people to share this journey with, then register on our Listener Map and our Nomad Gathering Facebook page, and see if any other nomads are in your area.

For the 150th episode of The Conversation podcast, Adam sits down with biblical scholar, pastor, and leader of the First Nations Version (FNV) of the New Testament, Terry Wildman. Terry shares his story, the story behind the translation of the FNV, the meaning and importance of names in Native American communities, and so much more!Find out more about the First Nations Version & get a copy at firstnationsversion.comLearn about Native territories at: https://native-land.ca/

“When you take a story as beautiful as the Gospel of loving sacrifice, of a man who would heal the sick, care for the poor, bound up the brokenhearted, and you begin to force that belief in institutional settings, it destroys that message.” Terry Wildman understood what he was up against when he took the lead in a new Native-centered translation of the Bible: “If we can separate Jesus from the colonial baggage…then our Native people can take a real honest look at this holy man.” Addressing how words like “sin” were once used to oppress Native peoples, Terry Wildman explains how the First Nations Version of the New Testament gets back to the heart of Creator's message of love. Learn more about The Disrupters podcast at ivpress.com/disrupters. Plus, listeners of The Disrupters podcast will get 30% off all IVP titles plus free US shipping by using promo code DISRUPT at ivpress.com.

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Brandon and Brandon are joined by Terry Wildman, the lead editor of the First Nations Version of the New Testament and co-founder of Rain Ministries. The First Nations Version is a dynamic equivalence translation that captures the simplicity, clarity, and beauty of Native storytellers in English, while remaining faithful to the original language of the New Testament. They discuss the damaging legacy of settler translation decisions among First Nations persons, what it is like to translate a text for cultures of oral storytelling, and what Bible words were the most gratifying to fine-tune in their work.Buy the First Nations Version online....Opportunity Walks by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

“In some ways, we judge the story by the storyteller.” Colonialism corrupted the beautiful message of the Gospel when it forced Christianity on Indigenous people. The First Nations Version of the New Testament (FNV) seeks to remove those colonial barriers and present the beauty of Jesus' story. Terry Wildman, lead translator and project manager of FNV, talks with Amy Julia about how this translation is a gift from Native people to Native people, as well as to the dominant culture and the Church as a whole.SHOW NOTES (go to amyjuliabecker.com/terry-wildman/ for complete show notes and for BOOK GIVEAWAY info)Guest Bio: “Terry M. Wildman (Ojibwe and Yaqui) is the lead translator, general editor, and project manager of the First Nations Version. He serves as the director of spiritual growth and leadership development for Native InterVarsity. He is also the founder of Rain Ministries.”Connect Online:Website: firstnationsversion.comInstagram: @fnv.ntFacebook: @FirstNationsVersionTwitter: @TerryMWildmanOn the Podcast:First Nations VersionMore books by Terry Wildman: Birth of the Chosen One, When the Great Spirit Walked Among UsThe Song of Bitter Tears (Luke 1:46–55, Magnificat)Translation processInterview Quotes“…Christianity was brought to our Native people and forced on us, technically. In some sense, we didn't make our own decision from reading the Bible or from hearing the gospel. We didn't make our own decision. We were told this is what we have to do. And so to me faith comes out of a willing heart that hears...the story of the gospel.”“Even the word ‘church' can bring up barriers because of those [colonial] experiences. So we intentionally used other words so that those barriers don't immediately go up. We're not trying to deceive anyone or any of our Native people. We're just trying to present the Scriptures in a way so that the barriers that the colonial experiment on our people produced aren't in the way."“This [translation] is not only a gift from Native people to other Native people, but it's also a gift from a group of Native people to the dominant culture…it opens up new ways of seeing God.”“When you take something as beautiful as the gospel—and I believe the gospel is a wonderful, beautiful story when it's understood—and when you force that on somebody, in oppressive ways, you destroy the message of it because Native people, traditionally, we don't just listen to the story. We evaluate the storyteller. And if the storyteller isn't consistent with the story, then we don't believe the story.”___Season 5 of the Love Is Stronger Than Fear podcast connects to themes in my newest book, To Be Made Well, releasing Spring 2022...you can pre-order here! Learn more about my writing and speaking at amyjuliabecker.com.*A transcript of this episode will be available within one business day, as well as a video with closed captions on my YouTube Channel.

On this best-of edition American history expert Jonathan Den Hartog takes a look back at the first Thanksgiving and outlines how faith has played into this holiday from the beginning going back to the Pilgrims. Terry Wildman, editor of the First Nations Version of the Bible, talks about the translations recent launch and reflects on God's part in Native American history.

Let's rewind.Thanksgiving may still be a favorite holiday, but its origin myths have long since been revealed to be just that: myths. But those myths are more than just cute children's stories, they are dangerous erasures of people groups, cultures and the violent atrocities committed against them. On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy reflect on what they did — and did not — learn about the Indigenous people groups who have populated the places they've called home. Terry Wildman joins the episode to share his process for creating an Indigenous translation of the New Testament — following a storytelling tradition of oral cultures — and why that work is valuable for all Bible readers. Plus, a field trip! Katelyn and Roxy head to the National Museum of the American Indian to learn more about the stories and history of the Native groups who lived on the lands of New York long before it became New York. GUEST:Terry Wildman, born and raised in Michigan, is of Ojibwe and Yaqui ancestry. He is the lead translator and project manager for the First Nations Version New Testament (IVP, 2021), and is an author, recording artist, songwriter, storyteller, and public speaker.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Everyone's Wilson's Daryl Crouch talks about natural ways to help others grow in their faith and walk with Christ.  Terry Wildman, editor of the First Nations Version of the Bible, talks about the translations recent launch and reflects on Native American history and heritage, and God's part in it.

Everyone's Wilson's Daryl Crouch talks about natural ways to help others grow in their faith and walk with Christ.  Terry Wildman, editor of the First Nations Version of the Bible, talks about the translations recent launch and reflects on Native American history and heritage, and God's part in it.

Terry M. Wildman (Ojibwe and Yaqui) is the lead translator, general editor, and project manager of the brilliant First Nations Version of the New Testament.  He serves as the director of spiritual growth and leadership development for Native InterVarsity. He is also the founder of Rain Ministries and has previously served as a pastor and worship leader. He and his wife, Darlene, live in Arizona.More about Terry and the FNV can be found HERE.Has anything we make been interesting, useful or fruitful for you? You can support us by becoming a Fellow Traveller on our Patreon page HERE.

he First Nations Version of the New Testament release date was Aug 2021. I speak with the lead translator- Terry Wildman of the Ojibwe & Yaqui tribes. He is also the director of spiritual growth and leadership developer for Native Intervarsity & founder of Rain Ministries. On this podcast we discuss 1- What inspired the start of a new translation for First Nations tribes? 2- What First Nations beliefs align with Biblical teaching? 3- What First Nations ceremonies align with Bible Teaching? Here is John 3:16-17 from the First Nations Version (FNV) “The Great Spirit loves this world of human beings so deeply he gave us his Son—the only Son who fully represents him. All who trust in him and his way will not come to a bad end, but will have the life of the world to come that never fades—full of beauty and harmony. Creator did not send his Son to decide against the people of this world, but to set them free from the worthless ways of the world.” For more information on the First Nations Version New Testament and Terry Wildman go to: https://firstnationsversion.com/

On this episode of the podcast, we talk with Terry Wildman, founder of Rain ministries and head of the translation team for the First Nations Version, an indigenous translation of the New Testament that involved a council of 12 and over 50 representatives from the native peoples of North America. See the website here: https://firstnationsversion.com/ Order from IVP: https://www.ivpress.com/first-nations-version  My co-host for this episode is Dr. Gayle Doornbos, professor of theology at Dordt. Together we discuss: The story behind this indigenous translation of the New Testament and the many contributing scholars The history of colonialism and how the translation team handled English words with negative connotations for native peoples (e.g., sin, kingdom) The unique practice of translating names by what they mean, so that Jerusalem is rendered "Village of Peace" and Paul is "Small Man".  What it might mean for the larger body of Christ to receive this new translation as a gift from the native peoples of North America. Terry also reads a beautiful passage of Scripture for us (from Hebrews 1). Here is my written reflection on the translation (which I use in part to introduce the episode): https://inallthings.org/gained-in-translation-a-review-of-the-first-nations-version/

Lead editor of the First Nations Version, Terry Wildman, joins the show to talk about this excited new indigenous translation of the New Testament. For more info on the translation, go to firstnationsversion.com.

Years ago, Terry Wildman had encountered a version of the New Testament in Hopi, but he could not find anyone who could read it. For so many Natives, understanding their own languages is a skill that has been lost due to the effects of colonization, yet reading the Bible in modern-day translations still leaves something to be desired. That experience planted a seed in Terry that eventually became The First Nations Version of the New Testament that reflects the oral storytelling of Native cultures. In this conversation with Every Voice Now co-host Maila Kim and guest co-host Al Hsu (who served as the editor of The First Nations Version), you'll learn about the incredible collaboration between representatives from multiple Native tribes and better understand why certain words resonate more strongly for Native readers (or can even potentially cause trauma and need to be avoided). If you have a love for the God ("Creator") and Scripture (or "the Good Story"), and you want to see how Creator worked through Terry to bring this version to life, then you won't want to miss this episode.About the Guest:Terry Wildman (Ojibwe and Yaqui) is the lead translator, general editor, and project manager of the First Nations Version. He serves as the director of spiritual growth and leadership development for Native InterVarsity. He is also the founder of Rain Ministries and has previously served as a pastor and worship leader. He and his wife, Darlene, live in Arizona. You can find Terry on Twitter @TerryMWildman.SPECIAL OFFER | Save 40% on The First Nations Version and get free US shipping when you use promo code EVN40 at checkout.Additional Links Mentioned:First Nations Version WebsiteFirst Nations Version Facebook PageFirst Nations Version Instagram PageAbout the Hosts: Maila Kim is a marketing manager at IVP; she holds a B.A. in English Language & Literature and a B.A. in Communication Studies from the University of Michigan, and an M.A. in Christian Formation & Ministry with a concentration in Bible & Theology from Wheaton College Graduate School. Follow Maila on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. Al Hsu is senior editor for IVP Books at InterVarsity Press, where he acquires and develops books in such areas as culture, discipleship, church, ministry, and mission. He earned his PhD in educational studies from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois. Al is the author of Singles at the Crossroads, Grieving a Suicide, and The Suburban Christian. He has been a writer and columnist for Christianity Today and served as senior warden on the vestry of Church of the Savior in Wheaton, Illinois. Support the show

Terry Wildman is the lead translator and project manager of the First Nations Version of the New Testament. In this conversation, Terry talks about the intersection of being Christian and Native and what that has meant for him as he has explored the two, personally and in community. Cultural context in worship has received pushback … Continue reading Episode 112 – Terry Wildman

Support the show: Patreon l Glow l Episode TranscriptA conversation about how we handle the stories of Scripture and how changing the lens of the words can make things so much grander.Guest Bio:Terry M. Wildman (Ojibwe and Yaqui) is the lead translator, general editor, and project manager of the First Nations Version. He serves as the director of spiritual growth and leadership development for Native InterVarsity. He is also the founder of Rain Ministries and has previously served as a pastor and worship leader. He and his wife, Darlene, live in Arizona.Connect with Terry at: Web, Twitter, Facebook, InstagramGuest Music byYou can also find all the musical selections from all our episodes on our Spotify Playlist. Check out all the things over at the store...it's a great way to support the show www.canisaythisatchurch.com/storeWhat are you waiting for; consider becoming a Patreon supporter of the show. You'll have access to many perks as well as guaranteeing the future of these conversations; even $3/Month goes so far as this show is 100% listener supported. Follow the show:Facebook, Twitter, StoreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Terry Wildman, lead translator of the First Nations Version of the Bible joins the podcast to discuss this new translation of the Bible, some of the beautiful language used in the translation, the Lord’s Prayer, his own story of coming to faith, and offers challenge and encouragement to the church and followers of Jesus for […]

This week Terry Wildman joins the podcast to talk about a brand new Bible translation, 'The First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament'. The FNV is a dynamic equivalence translation of the New Testament that captures the simplicity, clarity, and beauty of Native storytellers in English, while remaining faithful to the original language of the Bible. Whether you are Native or not, you will experience the Scriptures in a fresh and new way. Enjoy! RESOURCES: The First Nations Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament FirstNationsVersion.com

Today's conversation is with Terry Wildman (Ojibwe and Yaqui). Terry is the primary driver behind the First Nations Version--a fresh translation of the NT. He also serves as the director of spiritual growth and leadership development for Native InterVarsity and is the founder of Rain Ministries. He and his wife, Darlene, live in Arizona. Many thanks to our sponsors:Baker Academic.Worship ForwardStudio 2 Ceramics. 10% discount code: GOSPELThanks to Sara Renner (listen to her interview here!) for allowing us to use "Altogether Beautiful," the title track on her new album, which can be purchased at the following link:https://sararenner.bandcamp.com/  Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/gospelbeautiful)Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/gospelbeautiful)

Rick, and Dan talk with the lead translator of the First Nations Version of the bible Terry Wildman. Support the show: https://faithtalk590.com/ministryaudio See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Special Guest Terry Wildman is a Native American and the head of Rain Song Ministries, a Christian organization ministering to the indigenous people of North America. In this special sermon, Terry Wildman describes the current plight of Native Americans and offers a perspective of an appropriate Christian response.