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Weapons Kids are creepy right? We can all agree on that? Well, you know whats even creepier? When there are meant to be kids and they aren’t there. Or even worse… there’s just one. Weapons is the new horror from Zach Cregger starring Julia Garner, Josh Brolin and Alden Ehrenreich, whose first break out hit Barbarian scared the hell out of us… and guess what? It’s got a whole bunch of creepy not-there kids! But is it actually good? Or is this just a bunch of kids “naruto running” towards oblivion? Dion, Jill and Quinny are all in or this review, with Quinny being the only one who hasn’t been traumatised by Barbarian yet. Synopsis When all but one child from the same classroom mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time, a community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance. https://youtu.be/Mw57elDUcdQ As always, a midnight thank-you to all you crazy kids join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of you naruto running grade schoolers who are kind enough to support us by casting a tip into our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the lights on… because we’re scared of the dark. If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://youtu.be/OpThntO9ixc?si=_x20ryvp1bDvS9Mx WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion  Oh, well, hello and welcome to the periodic table of awesome. I’m unsure of who I am at the moment. I could be a weapon, I’m not sure. But you know who I know is absolutely a weapon. Jill. Jill is absolutely a weapon.  Quinny  Look at those ******* guns. Boom.  Dion  And and Quinny is potentially a weapon.  Quinny  Look, I I had to register my entire body as deadly weapon as, as, as legally one is bound to when one is as hard as ******* as I.  Jill  Make a gun.  Dion  Am I was actually going to say if you. If you commit to it quinny, if you if you, if you you put yourself on a regime, if you go to the gym, you could build yourself into a weapon. And.  Quinny  Buddy, I I am a weapon. It’s just like I’m a 10 LB ******* gun. I’m like, you know, you you you’re thinking of like a a fast kind of swishy weapon. I’m more like a like a a fat man bomb that gets dropped off, you know.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  So technically, still the weapon.  Dion  I wasn’t gonna. I wasn’t gonna go there.  Quinny  Yeah, well, I know. And as telling us, there’s better being a weapon than being a tool. What are you?  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Now you’re a ******. Don’t don’t tism me. This is that will go down a rabbit hole. We’re not going to do it. Yes. OK. Weapons. We went and.  Quinny  I know, right?  Dion  Saw weapons. We did, we.  Quinny  Can’t get a water bomb is a weapon too.  Dion  All of that what is a weapon? Yeah.  Quinny  Is that my physique? Is that what? Speaker 7  We’re saying no.  Dion  Philosophically. OK, so story time now. A while back, Jill and I went and saw a.  Jill  Little film we trauma bonded over, but Marion.  Dion  Yeah, we trailer bond, we weren’t. We didn’t know what was going on. We weren’t. It was like, ohh this film. It’s called barbarian. OK, whatever. We’ll go do that. And they were good. They gave us some alcohol. I’m like, oh, yeah. Let’s get on this and started watching a film. And then. Don’t know, maybe. 3045 minutes into it, we started going wait, where the **** is this going? And and it just proceeded to get even ******* more terrifying and crazy all the way to the end. And then we walked out going. That was ******* cool.  Jill  Yes, it was ****** **, but it was cool.  Dion  Yeah, it was.  Speaker  Quinny  You’re not normally a huge horror fan. No, but like you, you will watch it. If it’s in front of.  Dion  I mean, you know, like I’m not the sort of person who’s like, oh, is it gory and horror, sure. Or go and laugh. I’m just more like, I don’t really need to see that. It has to be a good horror, elevated horror. Elevated horror is a discerning horror. Which, you know, like the traditional stuff like nightmare on Elm Street, you know and.  Quinny  13th.  Dion  Friday 13th and I don’t really go into. I don’t need to see Gore for the sake of gore.  Jill  Those are like a sub genre though those are.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. And slasher. Yeah. And but a good.  Speaker 6  Slasher films, yeah.  Quinny  Horror. Torture. ****. Not it’s like, you know, that kind of stuff where it’s just watching people be.  Dion  Nice.  Jill  Like so.  Quinny  Exactly.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like all that kind of stuff can kind of get a bit confused in. But you know, I can’t say I’m a fan of it because, you know, given the choice, I’m not sure that I’d go and see barbarian or weapons again in that kind of sense. But was it a good film? Yeah.  Speaker  But.  Dion  You know, it was just that way that it kind of went through. So sure, I’m not a huge horror fan. Jill. Jill though. Yeah, she yeah loves it. Except for.  Jill  You love it. Clowns. No, no, it I’ll never watch it.  Dion  Yeah. So. It.  Quinny  Ohh, but you’re you’re not looking forward to welcome. To Derry then.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  The the prequel to it.  Jill  Good, because I would have thought it was something to do with dairy.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 8  Girls and I would have gone and seen it. And I would have been very upset.  Quinny  Why would you would have? It’s a TV series coming out soon and I’m actually really pumped. I’ve.  Speaker 6  Yeah, no.  Quinny  It was one of those books that ******* creeped this **** out of me as a kid and you know, I’m like, yeah.  Dion  Sure.  Jill  I couldn’t stare at a drain for a very long time because my father would say ohh it lives in the trees and it’s little children. So here I am in the shower, not making eye contact.  Dion  Sure.  Speaker 6  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  With the brain.  Dion  With the train.  Jill  Thinking it was any kind of drain that this ******* clown lived in.  Dion  Which which technically it did. So it does live in every drain and it is a clown.  Jill  Yeah. Yeah. And I’m like, don’t look down there cause you’ll see something staring back and. I was *******. He’s terrified.  Quinny  Hi, Georgie.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like if if I go down that rabbit hole, I could still easily terrify the **** out of myself.  Quinny  Yep.  Dion  Yes, so.  Jill  I do kind of tend to watch horror as a form of. Therapy. Because I’m in a constant state of fight or.  Speaker 8  Flight with anxiety and if.  Jill  I were to ah. Film. Then I I know that that is something that I can’t control and it’s I just have to go along for the ride. So I just kind of like purges the fright.  Dion  Sure. I mean it’s.  Quinny  Out and also. Yeah, it gives you that, that, that moment of tension and then release, whereas having a life of anxiety means there’s no release. Yeah, exactly.  Speaker 6  Yes.  Quinny  Just tension. Constant ******* ongoing tension.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, no, I get that totally.  Dion  Quinny, do you consider yourself a fan of horror?  Quinny  As a kid, **** no. Like I was terrified of anything that looked even remotely like horror, you know, like, even seeing a cover of a VHS of something like extra or fright night or something like that was enough to make me, you know. You have nightmares for ages, so it took me a really long time till I ever went anything near horror and I came to horror through so if I.  Dion  Sure.  Quinny  So right, you know, the first horror that I watched was aliens. And yeah, because that wasn’t really a horror. That was, you know, an action film that had horror elements.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Quinny  Then I went back and rewatched or watched alien and was scared ********. But then I started to kind of get into it. No invasion of the body snatchers and. Like that and now I have a thing that I’m not in a huge rush to go and watch a horror.  Speaker 6  Sure. Yeah.  Quinny  But I will watch a good one.  Dion  And so back to this whole sort of story when weapons came out and it’s by Zach Krieger, who Jill and I have had the Zach Cregger experience with barbarian. And while we were like, this is gonna be like I I remember I was looking at.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Speaker  We have.  Dion  Oh great. Ohh wait. OK. Like I’ll go see what this is, but I knew what I was going into. The funniest thing was watching it with Quinn, who had not. Had this experience at. All just going. What the **** I’m like, yeah.  Quinny  No. That’s in fact there. There are multiple times in the film where characters exclaim loudly what the ****? Sure, and I agree wholeheartedly with them.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Because there is a part of this where I feel like weapons is communicating with the audio. Once in a really interesting way and it doesn’t spoil anything. I just feel like there are parts of the movie and beats of the story and things that are going where it the the film makers are communicating with the audience going. We’ve just shown you a bunch of ****** ** **** and we’ve had a character on screen and saying what the **** and the whole audience is like. Yeah, what the ****?  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  And it really it was an interesting as you were saying, the release of tension and I felt like that came through at the end too where it. Diverged a little bit, but allowed the audience to have that tension released, which has been built up for the whole thing, so I consider this one not particularly a horror, but it is. Let’s be honest. Yeah, it is. Yeah.  Jill  Ohh it is.  Dion  But it is.  Quinny  It’s it’s a proper horror, but you know.  Dion  It’s a it’s a really good tension film.  Jill  Yeah, Arena asked. Is it more of a thriller? But I would say no, it’s definitely.  Speaker 6  And.  Dion  No, no.  Jill  Not not thriller.  Dion  No, because and the horror.  Quinny  It. It does good tension building and it is it has that kind of thriller kind of thing, but no, it’s very definitely.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 6  Yes.  Dion  Yeah, as you say, like, oh, I’m not going with jump scares. I’m like, well, maybe this is not for you.  Quinny  In fact, this has moments that are not jump scares, but like there are there are some of the most effective moments of like, skin crawling horror that I have seen in a long time, and hearing a whole.  Dion  Horror. Just dread. That contained no.  Quinny  Audience yeah, react to them and ohh wow.  Dion  With like and they have no blood. It’s just really good ******* creepy ****.  Speaker 1  Yeah, and like.  Dion  That you’re waiting for something.  Jill  I I love all of that stuff. And when one of. The big jump scares happened and I screamed.  Dion  He did.  Speaker  It was great.  Quinny  A big way.  Dion  Yeah, and. And look, let’s be honest, we all knew it was coming. Like that’s one of the great things when you still have that result like ohh ****. Even though I knew it was coming.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Jill  Yes. Yeah. Like, I’m like, oh, my God, I know this is coming. And then it did. And then I screamed. And I’m like, I haven’t screamed and. It jumps Gary and ages. Yeah. So it was it. Was a good pay off do do you wanna know?  Dion  And the.  Quinny  What the film’s actually about? No, no.  Dion  Not yet. One one second, one second. Can I, can I ask you one question because I don’t actually have any music and you’ve caught me off guard.  Quinny  I think. It. Yeah.  Dion  The last movie that I saw that did the same kind of thing that I really actually didn’t enjoy was smile too. Ohh yeah yeah. So watched that. Yeah, and I mean.  Jill  Never.  Quinny  Ohh you should get into that Joe.  Jill  Yeah, it’s on, it’s on telly. I’ll watch it, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. That for the for the discomforting side of it, Dee or the.  Dion  No, the the way that it like, I mean smile, which I haven’t seen and I saw smile to going in blind which is a bit funny but I understood the craft and I thought they did it really well but they jump scares became a point where it was. Just this is the building to a jump scare. Whereas I liked weapons more because it was like is it a jump scare? Maybe you know? And it was some sort of smarter done and then sometimes was like, hey, it’s not a jump scare. It’s just something absolutely ******* terrifying that doesn’t really do it. Yeah, it’s it’s. And it’s not about some. That is terrifying. It’s the idea of it is built and constructed in such a great way that the audience is filling in their brain about how terrifying and what bad things could happen, and then it doesn’t really happen that way. It just puts the the situation goes, hey, how would you react to this situation? And everyone in the audience is going *******. No, I don’t want to be in that situation. I don’t want. To do this, I want to leave. Anyway.  Quinny  Absolutely. OK.  Dion  Sorry, synopsis time. Do you know what I’ve got? I’ve got on the boards for the music to go behind. It is stuff.  Quinny  I don’t know.  Dion  From Kpop Demon Hunter. So do you want that? Why not? We haven’t had enough.  Speaker 6  No.  Quinny  Why? No, I mean, hey, by the way, the the golden from K pop demon hunters went to number one of the Billboard charts today. Wow.  Dion  Excellent. Hear it again.  Speaker 7  Yeah, well, let’s go with.  Quinny  We’re just increasing its plays.  Dion  Sure.  Quinny  Jill  You’re gonna give us, like a Anna Delphi.  Quinny  Ohh but I can because you’re a poor.  Dion  Yes, do it.  Quinny  OK, when all but one child from the same classroom mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time because they’re porous.  Speaker 7  Right.  Quinny  A community is left questioning who or what is behind the disappearances. Sorry that just turned into the chick from SBS.  Speaker 8  This is going.  Jill  I was like, it’s like Christoph Waltz and Christopher Walken met Christoph Walton.  Quinny  First off. I apologize. I apologize to everybody that was, that was the absolute peak of **** accent.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Wait, was that the whole boxes?  Quinny  Yeah. When all but one child from the same club, I can.  Speaker  Oh.  Quinny  Do a slightly longer. 1 So it’s a a horror film about a community grappling with the disappearance of 17 children from the same class, all vanishing at the same time on the same. Night and it follows. The aftermath, exploring things of trauma, grief, and the unsettling nature of the events of the townspeople, tried to understand. What happened and who is responsible?  Dion  Double s in officers. OK, one of them was backed by K pop and the other was. Just a flat scare. So. OK, yeah, good.  Quinny  Sorry.  Dion  Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good so.  Quinny  Right. Yeah. That’s how we should do it. That’s that’s how we work there. Yes. And there was a little gesture.  Dion  Now very.  Quinny  In there I’m.  Dion  Sorry, very, very, very importantly, there was a notice in front of the screening. Which was, hey, don’t spoil it for people where people go in and I thought, OK, it’s a bit naff. Let the thing stand on its own. You know, there’s no need to go through it. But it went on upon reflection.  Speaker 8  Yes.  Dion  Having it’s it’s been out for a while now. I actually kind of go. Yeah, I don’t. Really want to. Do a big spoil because not that I think you’d lose anything from it. I just think it’s a more interesting film to not know. Sort of the last third going into it, I think it has a better effect, not not giving a **** about it. Like, don’t really listen. To. People reviewing it and and spoiling stuff because. You kind of lose.  Jill  It. Yeah, I mean, the trailer was enough and then kind of like discovering what is actually going on is I think lends more to the suspense and and keeps it interesting.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I do want to talk like a little bit structurally about what happens at the end of the film, but I don’t want to talk about.  Jill  Oh yeah. OK.  Quinny  The the the facts of it like you know. But anyway, let’s not talk about that bit. Let’s talk about the beginning of the film. So a base concept, a bunch of kids run away one night. But it’s not just that they run away.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Quinny  They Naruto runner.  Jill  Naruto run, they’re going to storm area 51. Yeah, at 2:17 in the morning? Absolutely.  Dion  At 2:17 and it’s all through grainy camera footage. And I love the little child like voice, voice over narration of, like, this is a true story. This is the stuff that happened and blah blah blah and I’m like.  Speaker 7  Which is.  Jill  Yeah, it gives it a little bit of found footage vibe.  Dion  Bit Nash.  Jill  Which is yeah. It’s like a bit creepy.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, this this does that whole found footage and like, different cameras and stuff like that. So much better than that war of. The world’s ********.  Dion  ****, don’t. Don’t even. It’s it’s an interesting one too, because what I really like about it is it is. It is an easy to understand story. It’s set in suburban Americana. Sort of. There is something creepy going on in a space that generally wouldn’t be considered creepy, and I think you did it also in barbarian like and I and I really enjoy that. It doesn’t necessarily need. Rich people, poor people. It’s not about, you know, X&Y. It’s like, look, this weird thing happened. Hmm, that has probably been going on for a long time. In this and everyone is unsettled by it, but in the end. Life will keep going. And I really, I really like they explained at the start, they’re like ohh this really strange thing and in the end everyone just sort of accepted it. And moved on because it was too upsetting for people and I really like that it gave it a good basis and a good foundation to sort of settle in and go, OK what the?  Quinny  **** did happen but, but also it it does that that very smart thing of going OK how do people in you know, small towns react to bad things happening? They’ll turn.  Dion  You know clue.  Speaker 7  Insect.  Quinny  And and the the most obvious person to turn on is the the the school teacher. So if every kid from the class Bar 1. You know doesn’t show up who’s the first thing you’re gonna look at the school teacher. You’re gonna ask questions there.  Jill  See, I’m the opposite. I’m like, why is this one? Kid left on, yeah.  Quinny  Oh yeah, 100 percent, 100%.  Jill  What’s going on with this kid?  Quinny  And the the the good thing is they actually show you like they they interview the kid, they do a lot of like they go to great lengths to really show you that due diligence has been done. Yeah. You know, and this is just there is no answer. It’s just ******* weird.  Jill  Yeah, it’s it’s puzzling.  Dion  And and like I love that they used quite well in this, like the vignette sort of style, the way they chop it up and they follow, you know, you get introduced to kind of some of the characters and then you get like as you get introduced to more, it starts replaying their stories. And I like the way that they use that quite effectively, which is like here’s. This person, and this is their story. And then we’ll follow someone else and it overlaps and it overlaps and it overlaps until you finally get to the.  Jill  Yeah. And chill, there’s a point where it’s like, hang on a second. Something really *******.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Weird’s going on?  Dion  And until it gets to the point where it’s like, OK, we’ve given you enough back story about how all these things are kind of overlapping and then we’re just gonna follow this one. And explain exactly what happened and you were like by that time you’re like ohh ****. Like, how do you resolve this? What the **** did happen?  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, it was a good point to reveal it as well because like, it was a very kind of slow burn intro to the movie. And I was like, ohh, where is this going like?  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  It’s maybe, yeah, becoming a little bit dull until like you do get that pivot point and it’s like, ohh ****. OK now strap in, cause I’m ready for.  Dion  So.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She’s gotten real ****** **. Yeah, it it’s interesting because I was watching it and my immediate thought was the film rush him on, which is the one where they they tell the same story, but from different perspectives. And you see the way that interacts. It’s like that. But it it’s sort of.  Jill  The rest of it.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Just showing you different parts, but then continuing the story on. Yeah, which I thought was really smart.  Jill  And thank God you you made the cultural reference and didn’t go with like Pulp Fiction.  Quinny  Sure. Well, you know, because I’ve all filmically ******* knowledgeable.  Dion  I mean, look, you know.  Jill  It was like, where did that reference come from? Russian.  Dion  Barbarian great one much shorter like Barbarians. Only 100 minutes. Yeah, right. This one’s 128 minutes. So we got almost an extra half hour of, you know, additional weirdness, which I think was deserved in this. Like I really like the pacing and the punch of barbarian because it just kind of like starts off real slow and then starts hammering through this one. Get it? Has the same sort of thing. It starts off real slow, but it gives you time to build that tension. And then I think at the end, a little bit more. Time like. When you start explaining things. I thought it would move a little bit quicker, but I have to admit by the end of it I was like, Oh no, I’m fine with how you. Decided you wanted to go with this and by the time you get to that big turn or the big understanding about what is going on, which I say is like 2/3 of the way. Through the film. It does delve into stuff where I’m like, is this funny? Is this not funny? But also, how are you gonna resolve this? And the only way to do it is. Kind of with a little bit of ridiculousness. But I thought it. Was it served it quite well?  Quinny  I think the thing that worked for me about it was the way the characters each sort of had their their very clear part of the story. 3 and when it intersects with one particular place, that’s where **** starts to go badly wrong for everyone you know you’re you’re trying to. Everybody’s trying to work out. Something and they’ve all got their their challenges. So you’ve you’ve got our our Julia Garner. Who’s been Justine, who obviously school teacher Josh Brolin is the dad of one of the. Benedict Wong is one of the the principal principal of the the school. Alden Ehrenreich is one of the cops, and Austin Abrams is is a a junkie for I mean, for lack of any better description.  Jill  He’s.  Dion  Just cop.  Quinny  And each of them.  Speaker 6  They’ve.  Quinny  Their their thing, their story, their interaction, yeah.  Speaker 7  Sure.  Jill  And each of their encounters with what is going on. And so you kind of get their perspective on. Ohh man, how do we trying?  Speaker 8  It’s hard not to spoil it, but.  Dion  Isn’t it you? You get there? It’s, it’s. Yeah, they they put out like, I mean the the, the film posits a strange occurrence, and then all of these different people come into it at different ways, like their their approach that they’re in, they’re affected by it in different ways. And the way that they approach it is. All 100% what everyone knew and I would do like. Yeah, there are no, there is no stupid situation. I have to admit there’s nothing stupid about each of these characters and decisions they’re making along the way. It’s just that there is something else affecting them and we as the audience know that there is something real bad. Happening and we can’t stop them, even though within their characters like, you know, the problem with horror and like that kind of stuff. You’re like, don’t go into there. That’s stupid. You never do that. Stop splitting. Up. I don’t think there’s one character in this that makes a dumb.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Dion  Every single character is like. This is weird. But I need to find the kids. And I’m just going to do something that’s seemingly innocuous but suddenly ends up in a world. Of hurt. Like and, that’s what I thought was great about it. Isn’t one of those things like watch out for the slash? Are they going to get you? It’s like, no, they don’t know they’re. Going to be gotten. Because they’re doing something really boring, like going to a house. In the middle of the day, yeah. And then, you know, bad **** happens not because they made a dumb decision, because something else is affecting them.  Quinny  Yes. Yeah, it’s, it’s smart and it doesn’t treat its audiences in any way stupid. Yeah, it takes some weird turns. Ohh.  Dion  100%.  Quinny  Like, yeah, there’s, I don’t know whether we talk about it afterwards or what, but there’s stuff to in the last act that I was just like, what the ****? And it really there was in some very strange directions. But up until that point, you’ve also had a bunch of pretty ******* weird moments. And there’s a point where.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Like you said, Joe, it’s gone fairly slowly for a while. Yeah. And then there’s a point. Where it just suddenly ramps up and it’s no longer creeping dread. Now it’s running ******* screaming, running, screaming, terrifying.  Jill  Naruto running.  Quinny  This is ******** terror.  Dion  And. Look, I I. Liked it because they set everyone up as an unreliable narrator or character, but everyone is in is is unreliable in this you immediately start following Justine, who’s the school teacher, and they go to great lengths to explain why. Maybe she.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Speaker  It.  Dion  You know, and they do all of that like maybe the father, like is Josh Brolin’s character is maybe he’s got something to do with it because he seems. Overly crazy at certain points of time, but. Ultimately it’s it’s it’s very sane reactions to a very insane situation, and I think that was the success of how it worked.  Speaker 6  For me, does that make sense? Yeah. Here’s one roll. Sorry.  Dion  Hmm, also shot beautifully. Also shot. Beautifully.  Quinny  Shot beautifully and a lot of it in the very, very, very dark.  Dion  But that’s what worked, man.  Quinny  Absolutely. Like there are a lot of sequences moving around through dark houses and at night and stuff like that, which you know is one of those great tropes of all things horror. I do remember watching something recently only in the last couple of years where I was blown away that they did a horror, but in full daylight.  Jill  Oh, OK.  Quinny  And I’m bugged if I remember what it was, but it it it really impressed me that they managed to do. In full light, this one does a bit of it here and then the really.  Speaker 7  The character I.  Quinny  Wanted to call out that I thought was really impressive. Was James the our junkie buddy, really?  Speaker 8  OK, well, I was impressive.  Quinny  His character, like in terms of performance wise. Not likable, not likable at all, but the energy that he came at that with.  Speaker  No.  Quinny  Like the the really nervous ****** ** energy and the like. The complete sort of. Unreliability of the character I was like ****, that’s a really good performance. I don’t like the guy. I don’t like him at all, but that’s cause it’s a really good performance.  Speaker 8  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, that’s true.  Dion  You know? Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was like, I mean, to be honest, halfway like by the time we got to that character, I didn’t know how they were going to make him scary because he is just a junkie. And they did do some pretty good, scary, scary scenes with that just really boring situation. Technically, when you look back at it after the jump scares and after everything has happened, you’re like ****. That was so tense. For something that was really boring.  Quinny  There is a sequence and I the possibly the sequence that the whole cinema reacted to the most.  Speaker  MHM.  Quinny  And. I don’t. It’s what I love about it and I’m not going to try and describe it because it it would be doing it a disservice to describe the sequence. But what I loved about it was that it was. Fear created almost purely through sound. Like there’s a visual element to it. Something that is this growing danger.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  But then the use of sound was the thing that made the whole audience go **** no. Like literally the guy behind me when you heard a particular sound that door open just went oh, no. Oh, no, no.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  No. And I heard.  Jill  The dream sequence.  Speaker 6  No, no, no. OK, it’s.  Dion  It’s this like this, like stalking sequence.  Quinny  In a car.  Speaker 7  Ohh.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, right.  Speaker 7  Yep, Yep.  Dion  See this is this is what I’m talking about the the the ability to create tension based around very boring, very banal, very normal ****.  Speaker 6  Mm-hmm.  Dion  In this is great. By doing you know great things. I was like, great. It’s gonna be in the middle of night. It’s like 2:00 AM. She’s creepy anyway. Yeah. And now we’re going to make this creepier by, you know, making it sound like there aren’t many sounds like you can hear things, but you don’t need to see it. Like, if you hear, don’t show.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  It can be very creepy and I like that too when there are inside certain other houses and they’re doing the low light stuff that you kind of do.  Jill  Not just sound, but like lack of sound.  Dion  And yeah, lack of sound is a great. A great way to do that.  Jill  I think one of my favorite sequences was the dream sequence of Josh Brolin’s character because it was shot from like first person perspective. So really felt like a dream. And because it was like, you know, semi dark and like the cameras turning as if like. A person is walking through a house and you know doors are opening, but you’re not seeing it because it’s as if you’re doing it. Was absolutely terrifying because there’s like. If anybody has ever had a nightmare where, like you can’t control what’s going on and you’re like, fighting with yourself to even accomplish something within the dream, it felt just like that and that. Was that was. Really incredible bit of movie making, I thought.  Quinny  And and the the every time you round a corner or whatever, you’re expecting something to. Be there to to, you know, wanna hurt you or whatever. Cause you know vaguely where what we’re kind of doing here. We’re in horror territory. Yeah, but.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. And on top of that, I also love the the interesting ability here to allow the audience to really use their imagination while they’re watching this because.  Speaker 6  Mm-hmm.  Dion  Setting up a camera. Like we we had in the end of the trailer there or not at the end of the trailer, but like there’s scenes of like an open doorway, it’s pitch black. You can’t really see anything inside, but can you because your mind starts to fill things in?  Speaker 8  Yeah, I know. Cause it felt. It’s exactly like nightmares that I have where you’re like you’re looking and you’re looking. And it’s like you’re trying to make out something and it’s like is that.  Dion  Exactly.  Speaker 8  Something? Or is it just like?  Dion  Is it a shape? Is it a shape in the room or is it just your? Your chair group has come alive, or those those other ones, so I thought was really good, which is moving around the house and everything is normal and fine. But wait.  Speaker  Yeah, my God.  Dion  What is that like when you when your brain finally kicks in and goes, that’s not actually supposed to be there. That is not what you expect in that sort of thing. And you have to come back to it and you realize ****.  Speaker 6  Mm-hmm.  Dion  That’s terrifying. Like, these are the successful things about it, which is why I really hated watching it. But I enjoyed the. **** out of. The movie, like it was just fun and it was really fun. It, like really, as I said, it was really fun taking quinny along. So I recommend someone take someone who hasn’t seen their **** before.  Jill  Hey.  Dion  Hey, sorry Jill.  Jill  Yay on the titz off scale.  Dion  Yes, titz off none left **** all gone flying everywhere.  Jill  None left. That’s a big fat 0 on. The **** off scale.  Dion  They, they they, they were like, you know, Shinkansen hanging out the window. ****, they’re just gone.  Quinny  Love that we both.  Speaker 7  Had the same age. I love that they’re.  Dion  Connected though. I just thought that they’re like.  Quinny  Well, they connected for a while and then they go. Right. I I don’t know how many tips are off for me because I was scared titless.  Speaker 8  Ah, well, there you go. That’s zero as well.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker 7  Yeah, like.  Jill  I don’t know, just like in the last couple of movies that I’ve seen this month, I’ve just have not had. A reaction like I did. With this one MMM.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and you, you come out of it with a very distinct sense of man. I’ve watched something. Yeah, like. You know, it wasn’t safe. It wasn’t normal. It it. It didn’t feel like just your average ******* horror. Like, oh, God. What was that movie we watched a couple of years back for? None. Like, based on The Conjuring thing.  Speaker 8  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  And it was just like, yeah, it’s a horror film. Yes. There’s a spooky nun. Cool. Like, in some ways, smile was a little bit like that, though I did find it was creepy as ****. But this, I don’t know, this was doing something different. This was really going into a different level of. Scary.  Dion  I I feel like collectively. Everyone was like in the film that I was sitting there going. And yes and. Everyone just kind of decided not to talk about it anymore, cause too many people died and it was too freaky. And I’m like, yes, kind of like barbarian. Kind of like weapons. We’ve watched it now and ****, you know, a lot of stuff happened and things are good, but like. Just collectively not gonna watch it again. Or not gonna talk about it because you’re still processing stuff about it. Umm. Yeah. Anyway, look. But also, you know, I can see why some people were unhappy with it.  Quinny  What? Where do you think? It didn’t work.  Dion  It’s interesting because, well, I don’t think it it’s. I can see how some people were a bit unhappy with it because they might have wanted to go more into the slasher horror kind of stuff at the end because I feel like there was the turn that happens and it goes into more explanations. You don’t really understand.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  Exactly what’s going on, but came to me. It became more comedy and I was like ohh, I’m getting this now. You just have to go with it and you know the ending isn’t as satisfying. I think that some people were really after because it has no resolution for the characters. But. You know, I feel like after the tension of the 1st. Aaron, Aaron. A bit. I was like, I’m happy for it to just help me relieve the tension.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. And also, you know, people could be sitting there going. Ohh, I didn’t. You know, everyone thought it was great, but I didn’t like it. Like, yeah, OK, I did.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  It was fun.  Quinny  I’d I’d like predicate because thing I went in after hearing a ton of fat, and though I enjoyed it, I’m still firmly bitted.  Dion  Still, yeah, sure.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I can see why. So there is a massive tonal turn. Like. Yeah, and there’s a point where, like it goes. We’ve already talked about where it ramps up, the action, kind of the the like, the threat becomes a lot higher. Mm-hmm. But then there’s another point a little bit later on where it takes a fairly sharp left turn. Into what could be seen as comedy.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah. I mean, I think it’s a comedic moment, but it kind of like washes all of the drama and the the evil away and kind of leaves you with. OK, this was a really ****** ** situation and you know a number of horrific things happened, but by the end of it, we’re all able. To walk away. Like and put the situation behind us and I think. If it hadn’t have ended, you know very finally like the way it did. Then it kind of leaves you open to explore that situation maybe happening again. So I think like, yeah, I think I feel like the comedic twist of the ending. Was to relieve all of the tension that we built throughout the whole movie.  Quinny  Absolutely now.  Jill  But to do it in a way that wasn’t necessarily with a scare.  Quinny  Yeah, though I I would say that they I felt like we started to get elements of comedy earlier. Ohh, OK. Like essentially when we’re introduced to one of the characters that we haven’t talked about that does. Kind of push the film into a different space. It goes from being kind of. Of. This uncertainty about what? Is happening too. Suddenly there is a. Focus for it. And the focus is. Or could be. Are let down 4 people and I. Yeah. So I had that that moment where I was like that’s that’s a weird ******* choice and I’m still creeped out. But yeah.  Dion  Should.  Jill  I I’ll stand by that choice because I think it was. It’s a good way to catch you unawares.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, very true. Very, very.  Dion  True. So, Jill while. Try and find your **** to. Reattach them.  Speaker  Shouldn’t.  Quinny  Somewhere in the fields of Japan and all. Through the.  Dion  Quinnie, do you have a rating for for weapons?  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Quinny  Oh yes, that’s a good question. OK, I’m going to go.  Speaker 6  Adding.  Quinny  I was genuinely creeped out by most of the film, and I think it works. Incredibly well as a. Really. Proper, good, scary ******* horror. Your your mileage is going to vary as to whether or not the last bit like the the last. From a certain point onwards, works for you. For me, it did kind of make me go. Huh. But it still kept the tension pretty high. So yeah, that’s where I’m at. It’s 84. If you’ve got a number, drop it. Dion  Jewel. Right.  Quinny  In that chat. I look for them.  Dion  I was going to go 85. Ah, but I’m not. I’m gonna go 86 because I like round math. So, dude, Jill, you could totally frustrate me but.  Jill  Even number.  Dion  Getting an odd number.  Quinny  That prick dangers jumped to 93, so **** you.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Well, then I’ll bring it back and. I’ll, I’ll go. For a 91 so that we can.  Speaker 6  Oh ****.  Jill  Even it up.  Dion  All right.  Jill  We’re going to go 90, but because of the odd number, I’ll go 91 even it.  Dion  Yeah. Out again. Yeah, 86. I really. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was just, like, kind of watching barberry and like, what the **** is happening? But it’s really good. Can I recommend it to people? Yes, with, with, with ******* guard rails as in. You know, Peter didn’t come. That’s OK. She’s not going to see this. You know, she’s going to be like, Nope.  Quinny  Not the kind of thing that.  Dion  Beck’s gonna like. No, no, all of those kinds of things like it. It’s not for everyone. But I do think it’s great. So, yeah, that was my 86. And, Jill, you’ve already got not 91.  Speaker  No.  Jill  At 91, I I have a horror friend and I immediately went to her and said hey, I watched weapons and she said Ohh good, I’m going to go and see it on Friday. And then when she came back to me, she.  Speaker 8  Said what the ****? That was so good.  Jill  Like that ending was So what the ****? And I’m like, yeah, but it was great. And like, yeah, we were just, like, dissecting, you know, the way that they built tension and all that kind of stuff and the pay offs were were all really good. I got to say the creative.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Jill  Format for the storytelling was was great. I thought that was very inventive for like a horror film. Yeah, the.  Speaker 8  Anything that made me ******* scream, I’m like, yes. Big ticks so.  Quinny  Yeah, it takes a bit to actually get you to scream. I I heard you scream and I thought that wouldn’t have.  Jill  There were so many moments throughout the film where I actually had to stop eating and drinking because holding on to the chair and I’m like, crawling back into the chair, like with my arms crossed thinking Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. And yeah, it it made me out loud scream, not just like shock. No, I screamed. And thank God it was like a loud. Tension release in the. Audio of the film as well to kind of cover up. The embarrassment of me screaming in a horror movie, but yeah.  Dion  And. I had the yeah.  Jill  Really thoroughly enjoyed.  Speaker  It.  Dion  I had The thing is like I I like weapons as a journey. Of a film. Like.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  I don’t think that there’s like there’s no point talking about A twist or a turn or this thing and this other what the **** I’m like. I like the journey of the film. Yeah, I mean.  Jill  I feel like you don’t get to have all of this fun in the end of the movie if you don’t put in the work at the start of getting through the build up.  Dion  Yeah. And by chopping it up and following.  Quinny  Yeah, you’ve gotta get to know the characters.  Dion  Yeah. And chopping up and following people with different experiencing not the same time from a different perspective, but also like different times at different perspectives. Once you understood the establishment of the character.  Jill  Yeah, but you kind of start to get little other pieces in within these people stories so that you can, like, try to build what’s happening before it’s just revealed to you in the movie. So like you as an audience are actually doing work in the film.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Quinny  Too. I like that. I really like the feeling that it was showing me things. But I wasn’t. Being spoon fed them exactly and there are certain things that they showed and implied, but never actually said. So you have to make the assumption that that character did that. They may not have, but did fairly heavily implied. I live with that. I love being asked as an audience to put a little bit of thought in.  Speaker 6  Yeah. MHM.  Dion  Crazy concept. Look, Speaking of James, I actually have a James Heavy trailer for this. Just goes on about that. We’ll do that and then come back and try not to spoil, but still talk about.  Speaker 7  Oh, OK.  Dion  It a bit more depth, OK.  Speaker  I’m calling about the $50,000 reward. For information about the missing kids. Because I know. Where they are. Filter. Help me. Help me. Come on. Please help me.  Dion  Oh yes, we. Yeah, that was James. He was the the junkie, and he had tent and a very bad experience in a tent.  Jill  Sure. Just sure, we’ve all had a bad experience in the tent.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Mine was really intense.  Dion  Ohh George yes, and thankfully for people who haven’t seen it. And you’re like, no.  Speaker  ah  Jill  You up for that one?  Dion  Thank you. I’m like, yeah, yeah, but. It’s a really it’s. It’s so good how it makes you go. ****. I don’t wanna know about that, but it gives you an understanding back when you like, I feel like. Having watched it and then you look at all of the tents and and spooky scenes that were through earlier in the movie, you’re like, ohh, that’s not that spooky when you really think about it. It was our own imagination making it spookier than we thought. But again, of course no like.  Speaker 7  No, sure.  Quinny  Like it’s scary.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  It’s it’s interesting, I think I said to you guys afterwards, I I thought we were going perhaps to go in a different direction with it. So there’s a there’s a Stephen King short story that I love super short, like, only like 5 or 6 pages or something like that called suffer the little children. It’s in one of his short story collections and it’s about a teacher. Who starts seeing out of the corner of their eyes their their primary school kids? As like little demons like you know that they’re they’re wrong. They’re twisted. There’s something ****** ** about them, but only out of the corner of their eyes. So when they turn and look at them.  Jill  Ohh, I see kids like that all the time.  Quinny  Yeah. So that’s just being a teacher. But then, yeah, one day teacher goes and 1 by 1 calls all the kids at her office. Cool. Yeah. And I thought maybe we were going to go into that direction and I was like, because that’s one. Of my favorite stories, but it’s still ****** **.  Dion  Yeah, the welcome to. The thing about the unreliable like characters that we’re we’re following here and like I think yes, Karina, I’m not. I don’t want to talk about the spoiler of the twists, that of why is it like, why is this all happening? Mainly because I don’t think it’s it. It doesn’t do anything to give you. A reason to go see the movie.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  I’d rather talk around it and let people go and see it and say, hey, did you like that? Cause it’s ****** **, isn’t it? Like I don’t really.  Jill  Yeah, like, don’t be like my mother who told me that. Bruce Willis was dead the whole time, so that I don’t even bother to watch 6th sense. Yeah. And to this day have not watched it.  Dion  You know, Jill, I gotta say I’m. I’m. I’m with you on that because it was spoil. It was spoiled for me in the break room at at a work thing. And I was like, ohh. And they’re like, oh, you haven’t seen I’m like, no, because it came out yesterday.  Jill  What’s the point? There. Yeah. Thanks.  Speaker 6  Thanks.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, I remember.  Dion  So I’ve never actually watched it.  Quinny  Trying to watch like Battlestar Galactica, the the 2000 series, and then somebody said to me, oh, I can’t believe that such and such and such and such and such for the final styles. And I was like. What the ****? And they’re like, ohh. It’s a joke. And I’m like you weren’t ******* joking.  Dion  Thanks.  Quinny  That’s cool. Well, I got to interview them this ******* weekend. So great.  Dion  Well, look, the the I think the the the non spoilery things I can say about it is that I was disappointed with. Was that the whole mystery is all about the kids. All right.  Speaker 6  Dion  And then you really don’t get a good resolution with the kids.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  And it’s just a little bit you, you, I understand why they did the things that they did, but there isn’t. There isn’t a great resolution really.  Jill  Yeah, I feel like you don’t always have to have that in a film.  Speaker 7  No, and there is something.  Jill  It’s like we said, like it was. It was really. The journey of the movie that was the reward.  Dion  I got to say by the end of it, like the the kid who plays Alex, Carrie Christopher, he like I didn’t give a **** about.  Jill  Gorgeous little kid.  Dion  I yeah, I I was really disappointed with that kid right up until towards the end. And then I’m like ohh, that that kid did a really ******* good. Like having to do with a lot of adult themes and adult concepts by the end. And you’re like, holy ****, that kid is either gonna be a freaking St. or the devil.  Quinny  And I do like that whilst it’s avoiding tropes all over the place, you know, and it’s doing everything it can to try and not be the obvious or whatever you do still end up in a haunted house in a way. And you know it, it’s becomes.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, with your don’t go in the basement moment.  Quinny  I know you. You’ve got 100%, you’ll do not go in the basement moment. And I was like, yeah, cool. We’re we’re. You know, we’re hitting on those things because I do think there is something like really archetypal about certain ideas and horror concepts. And being chased around your own house. Is terrifying, and people that you know not being themselves is terrifying. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  You know, and now you’ll never look at a kid in a playground running like that with their arms out. Being a plane without going whoop.  Quinny  Have you ever Naruto run? Dion  Didn’t you? You asked that question.  Jill  God, I I. Have dignity.  Quinny  I asked it off microphone.  Jill  I have dignity I.  Quinny  Thank you.  Jill  Run.  Quinny  I have seen so many people Naruto run around conventions.  Jill  I bet you.  Quinny  Have you know I’ve seen so many *******.  Jill  Yes. Yeah, they don’t do it ironically either.  Quinny  You. This. No. And I just wonder, I I I look at this and I was like, was that intentional? Did they know that they were doing that? Oh, isn’t it? No, no.  Jill  This is not a Naruto. Arm is like the arms have to be out back behind you, yeah.  Dion  Out. Yeah, they’re gonna be.  Quinny  Ohh. OK, right. Sorry, right, right. Just like.  Jill  This was like.  Dion  Yeah, this is just.  Jill  Just to the side.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of straight down kind of thing, but I mean don’t take anything you see on anime and try and replicate it and realise you’ll just hurt yourself.  Quinny  Yeah. Or someone.  Dion  Else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all parties.  Quinny  Teapots. Right. OK, yeah.  Dion  Fair enough. Kind of planking. If only they were yelling, skippity rears when they ran around.  Quinny  Yeah, like there are. There are so many really good, very quick jump scares. Like, you know, there are there’s moments in a bed, there’s moments, you know, all over the place where you just like, really good. Momentary jump skis, but it also does that very clever thing of going we’re building up to a a jump scare and then we’re going to give you something that isn’t the jump scare. But. That can be really obvious. Like we all know that if you’re gonna build up to a jump scare, you’re not gonna give us the jump scare. You’re gonna add in a a thing. This one I was like actually that were pretty good. Like they weren’t fake outs or anything. These felt like something that still maintained the tension.  Speaker  See.  Dion  See, I really wish we’d had been able to arrange it earlier for you to have seen, barbarian. I get before this.  Speaker 6  One going on about barbaric.  Jill  We keep talking about it. We keep talking about it, but only.  Dion  Like.  Jill  For a very good.  Speaker 7  Reason. OK so so.  Dion  I warn you, I. Don’t you, Connie? It’s not a fun watch. I’m not recommending this to you because I think you’re gonna have a good time. I’m recommending it for you because all of the tense and scary things that you kind of felt from weapons, you’re going to get in barbarian again.  Quinny  OK so. Can you give me a like give me a vague synopsis of what barbarian is about.  Dion  It’s about the dangers of Airbnb.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Oh, right.  Dion  Sounds boring, huh? Definitely not.  Jill  Yeah, but Justin Long is in it, but. And he’s the red herring.  Speaker 6  Eh.  Quinny  Right, so This is why you were all very excited when. He showed up in this.  Jill  Yeah. We’re Justin long shows up in a horror movie. Yeah, right.  Dion  As the thing like. It’s it’s done it it, it does a little bit of vignette things where it sort of takes the the two things it’s like it’s following Justin Long and it’s following another character. And they’re both standing at the same Airbnb and then it’s following one.  Jill  Yeah, there’s like, a really good fake out in the beginning because you’re like, ohh, this is very much going to be this thing and then it’s not. And then you’re like, but wait, what the **** is actually happening?  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, it’s like. Yeah. And by the time you find out what the **** is actually happening, you’re like. What the **** is happening?  Jill  Yeah. And you’re like, why and why and why?  Dion  No, no. And then it.  Speaker  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Dion  Just turns out it was just really, really ******* creepy.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Anyway, but it is more. It is more your traditional horror.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  Right cause I I looked at that and I thought it sounded a bit more like the torture pointy kind of things like.  Speaker 6  This.  Jill  Body horror elements in it, that’s for sure.  Dion  There’s a little bit of torture **** because I’ve gotta also say there was just that thing of like, I don’t want to be in that situation and it’s a bit too graphic for me. Yeah, but you don’t like, you know, it’s. It’s just a good. It was the start of the way of building tension and and confusing you by going. We’re going to present you with a thing that says you’re going down this road, but it’s just going to kind of keep going. And then it’s actually like, wait. I was on on a road at all. I was actually on a lake. How did I get in this lake? And I’m not in a boat. What is going on?  Quinny  Sorry, I just I wanted to look up torture **** films cause I’m trying to think of it and particular one.  Jill  What kind of results did you?  Quinny  Just get well. Yeah, it was not a. Good time hostel. That was the one that I was trying. To. Find the name of hostel and hostel too.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  But I love it.  Jill  Ohh, not not hostile you’re saying hostel?  Quinny  Hostile. Sorry. Yeah. Like that was one of those ones where it’s just like, you know, bad things happen to people. Human centipede, that kind of thing, bad things happened to people. It’s about the the torture.  Speaker  Oh.  Jill  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Salo. 120 days of sort. Sort of I was. I’m looking down this list, and I’m like, oh, yeah, I remember that when I run into that one. Yeah. Yeah. OK. And then I get. Justin Bieber never say never like. Well done to whoever ******* wrote that.  Jill  Well done.  Quinny  List because that was. Comic timing, like you wouldn’t believe.  Speaker  Ohh dear look.  Dion  There’s, you know, like, weapons isn’t a perfect film. There are some beats, I think didn’t quite. Planned and some decisions, as you said like it it goes a bit strange in the end. You’re like you’re going to go with it or you’re just going to be like oh.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  That’s sure that’s. Stupid. It’s like, no, I was. Yeah. No, I was 100% there for it too.  Quinny  I I yeah, I actually thought and I said to a couple of people, I thought it let off the the accelerator a little bit when they introduced the.  Dion  The reason?  Quinny  The reason? Yeah, like the to me when we started to get a few answers as to what was causing this, I felt like the tension ratcheted down a little bit.  Dion  Yep. I feel like they’ve they’ve followed that through with the comedy though, but they did ramp back the they did get back to the tension as they try to resolve everything as you get to the resolution.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  You’re wrapping. You’re ramping that sort of thing up again. Yeah. I thought they did it quite well. And, you know, the the end of it was. Fun.  Jill  I think it’s just like we’re going to blow off all. Of the steam that. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Of this movie? Yeah. And we’re going to do it in a comedic way, just to kind of like, yeah, that all out, you know.  Dion  Yeah. I mean, I feel like by the end of it, the audience was all kind of like, oh, ****, that was weird and ****, and I don’t know, but it was much more. Or interesting to to see that whole audience who had who had. Spent. You know good hour and a half tense as ****, absolutely sitting there going. What the **** is happening? I don’t want to be in this audience or thankfully, we’re all experiencing this together to then have a bit of a OK, well, OK, ****. OK. What was that all about? And I love confusing a confused audience. Not a confused.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  Audience like why was Ice cube in an ad for Amazon for 80 minutes? But more like that. Was that good like I had that the thing when at the end of it I was like, is that was that a good movie?  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  And I think people will take away from it what they what they will, you know, they’ll they’ll either enjoy bits of it or they want or they’ll find that some of it worked for them and some. Of it didn’t. Yeah, but. It’s done very well. That’s something that I do, you know, I’m happy to report that it’s. Done a lot better than most of the other films were released this weekend.  Jill  Quinny  Like based on its budget and everything, it’s kicked the **** out of a couple of much bigger films.  Jill  Good for.  Quinny  Them. Yeah, one of them being freakier Friday.  Dion  Look, I’m. I’m.  Jill  The Disney cash grab.  Dion  I’m happy that Zach Cregger, you know, survived the bidding war for weapons.  Speaker 6  Yes.  Dion  And that Jordan Peele fired a couple of people over not getting it.  Jill  Ohh, Jordan Peele movie coming out soon. Him.  Dion  Oh yeah. Yeah. Yes, but he was. Yeah, he was trying like Jordan Peele was trying to get Zach Craig as, Umm, spec script for his production company and did not get it. And then fired two of his management people for not getting it. OK. And I’m like, OK, but the really interesting thing I think for the next project that has been announced for this director is the Resident Evil reboot. Oh ****. And he’s writing directing. It. Ohh so it was like OK. Interesting. Yeah. Hmm. I mean, you never like a franchise with an established fan base, and many temps is fraught with peril. Yeah, absolutely.  Speaker  Yes.  Jill  But it means we don’t have to see *******. Milla Jovovich wheeled out again.  Dion  You’d leave Miller alone. She’s the supreme being.  Quinny  I mean. I love that they even attempted another reboot a few years ago and just nobody paid any attention to.  Dion  It. Yeah, I love that even one of them was a 3D1, which was like, you know, your franchise is in trouble when you’ve gone through an era of 3D coming and going again. Like jaws, jaws through the return jaws, three Jaws 3D. Like what the ****?  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  Anyway.  Quinny  Trying to remember what that ******* ohh yeah. Resident Evil. Welcome to Raccoon City, you know? Yeah, the one that nobody paid any attention to at. All. But it mean.  Dion  Yeah, you know, look had no Miller in.  Quinny  It.  Dion  It’s.  Quinny  Oh well, look, I’m. I’m keen to see what he does next. Absolutely. And if he can make Resident Evil work? Cause like to me, I think that’s that’s not actually it shouldn’t be that hard. Like resident evil’s.  Jill  Yeah, it’s really not. It’s such a straightforward premise.  Quinny  Yeah, if you do a good solid zombie film and you use the characters that are in the in the games, it’s not that hard. I would ******* love to see this guy have a go at Silent Hill.  Jill  Yeah, that could have been.  Quinny  Like.  Jill  Silent Hill would have been better than Resident Evil. For this guy.  Quinny  Yeah, I think he’s his. Disturbing.  Jill  Because this guy is like, so good at, like, suburban. Dystopia.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  So I think like silent. Hill would be perfect for.  Quinny  Him absolutely.  Dion  Is am I the only one who didn’t mind the Silent Hill film that came out with rider? Mitchell, like I thought it was alright.  Quinny  No, I quite liked it. If the.  Dion  Freaky and the and the Borg Queen as the evil witch woman.  Speaker 6  Yeah.  Quinny  That was another one where I was like, OK, it it started really well, did some really good creepy stuff and then ended poorly. But yeah, I quite like that.  Speaker  Sure.  Dion  I mean, I’ve I I’m I I think with in return in in the idea of Zach Gregor. I’m kind of like just let him cook. Don’t give him a franchise. Don’t let him don’t make him do other **** just like no let him do his stories he’s doing quite well at the moment.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Of just. That’s true. Going barbarian? Yeah, that’s a good one. Weapons pretty good. You know what’s the next one? And I don’t pitch quinnie. Go for him and say, like, can you make a the same horror film, but everything you shot during the? Hi.  Quinny  I would love to see somebody ever go. On. It I haven’t watched Midsummer so.  Dion  Really.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  It answers the question who would you like? Would you prefer a bear or a man?  Speaker 8  Yes.  Dion  In the wheel.  Quinny  I don’t know because I always looked at that and I thought it looked a little bit, Wicker Manish, but now I’m completely confused as. To what that may actually be that.  Dion  Yes, but it’s a woman, so it’s a Wicker woman.  Quinny  Ohh.  Dion  Sorry, there are no. Ease.  Quinny  Good, because they weren’t me in the ******* original.  Dion  Film No, but there was in the Nick Cage one.  Quinny  Don’t don’t say it.  Speaker 7  Not. Why would you mention? ******* ohh. You broke my legs.  Dion  It’s very bad, it’s. Yeah, Speaking of Speaking of bad, what are we doing next week?  Quinny  Oh, oh, well, well.  Speaker  Oh.  Jill  Hopefully it’s not a bad show, yeah.  Dion  Two shows having a bit of. It

K-Pop Demon Hunters K-Pop Demon Hunters sounds like a joke title, but this action packed adventure/romance/musical/ martial arts action film… is really something different! The surprise animated hit of the year which has been not only smashing streaming video records (thats Netflix for ya), but also demolishing the music charts (Golden hitting no. 1 on Spotify!) is something nobody saw coming, but now that it’s here we may never be the same! Its a heady mix of Korean mythology, flying swords-person action, heartbreaking romance, radical self acceptance and all with a K-Pop soundtrack that lets be clear… absolutely slaps. We have a special guest for this show, with our beloved Ardella (Bec) chiming in to profess her undying love of this unexpected gem! Dion may have his demonic grump on, but Jill and Quinny both are singing from the hymn-book of hon-moon creation. Synopsis K-Pop Demon Hunters” tells the story of a K-pop girl group, Huntrix, who are also demon hunters, tasked with protecting the world from demons and their king, Gwi-Ma. They use their music to maintain a magical barrier called the Honmoon and work towards strengthening it into the Golden Honmoon, which would permanently banish demons. Their mission is complicated when a rival demon boy band, the Saja Boys, emerges, stealing their fans and weakening the Honmoon. https://youtu.be/gsMp_Oq-_mY As always, a musical magical thank-you to the K-popping demon hunting divas who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the glow stick waving uber fans who are kind enough to support us by programming a tip in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the honmoon strong and if not golden, a bit bronzed… If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://youtu.be/3JTVQTk36R8?si=CPEwLl_mx84YG1Iw https://youtu.be/yebNIHKAC4A?si=ImoyGFkIO-pC3a99 https://youtu.be/983bBbJx0Mk?si=_B-EAl_rChUeZ8c0 WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript Dion  Ohh hello and welcome to the periodic Table of awesome. Well, we’re getting on to this Tuesday night, going down the good old road of something Netflix. Are you related? Hello. Yes.  Quinny  Hello, we’re going down. And we’re going down, down, down.  Speaker 3  I know.  Quinny  What, John, why aren’t?  Dion  You singing. I don’t understand the concept. What the **** is happening? This is not a regular. Hi. My name is Dion. I’m joined tonight by Queenie and I’m joined by Jill. And I’m joined by Beck. Pop. Hello, pop. It’s been a while. Thanks for joining us. This one.  Quinny  Hey, welcome back.  Dion  Because yeah, for your viewing pleasure, you’re helping us talk about K pop.  Ardella  I am. I am this cultural phenomenon has been on repeat in my household for the last month, so I’m thrilled to talk about it.  Speaker  Hi.  Jill  Oh.  Dion  Oh.  Ardella  On the Internet.  Dion  A month.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  OK, we are late to this party.  Dion  I am but I I’m 100% late to this party only because. Yeah, sorry.  Quinny  All right.  Dion  Good to you.  Quinny  No, no, no. I like I said, I actually talked about it. I don’t know the weekend it came out or the like. I watched it because I had nothing else on. I was sitting on the couch and I was like, that looks entertaining. I’ll just put that on in the background. And was then kind of like this is ******* cool. And then when in the next episode, I’m like Jill, Jill, Jill, you gotta you gotta check it out. You gotta check it. And she’s like.  Jill  Like, leave me alone. Otherwise I won’t watch.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah. And then the.  Quinny  It was like Jill, Jill, Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny, and she’s like, leave me alone.  Jill  Next, let’s do yeah. Sorry, it’s it’s the Aries. You can’t tell me what to do.  Quinny  Yeah, the license.  Ardella  Can I just say though, despite being one of the longest bloody trailers in the world, I. I’m so impressed by how little it manages to give away, and I wonder if we can manage to give away a similar level of not spoilers.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, we can. We can. I mean we can. We also do a. Spoilery bit after we’ve done the thing, but.  Ardella  I remember how this works.  Quinny  OK, OK.  Ardella  I also remember that we often suck it, not giving too many spoilers in the free spoiler bit.  Quinny  This is a good point. Well made.  Jill  OK, we’re going to be as vague as.  Quinny  Possible. Yeah. So how did your come to it? Did you just find it on Netflix? Did did somebody recommend?  Jill  It to you. I know. Yeah. Somebody annoyed. Me to watch it, yeah.  Dion  No, Quinn. He made me watch it.  Ardella  Yes. Yeah. Did he tape your eyelids open and struck you to the chair? Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, it’s 100% Clockwork Orange, me. For this but but I’ve got this.  Speaker 1  Yep.  Quinny  And I’m not sad. I’m not. I’m not. Embarrassed about that?  Dion  I’ve got this weird. Sort of tick now that I have to keep kind of doing this and I feel like I need to do choreographed dances every now and again. So I don’t know what’s happening. I don’t know anything about.  Jill  Can teach you.  Quinny  See, I don’t think we were fully aware that Beck was as into this as not as until like you you posted a video to us. You’re like look at.  Dion  Excellent.  Speaker 4  This did you dance?  Dion  Like ohh OK, you know, we’re gonna talk about stuff that, like quite blatantly. I have absolutely no ******* idea what’s going on.  Jill  I mean.  Dion  We might as well open the floor up to people who do know what the **** is.  Ardella  Going on, but have you watched it dear?  Dion  Yes, I watched it from the start to the last song.  Ardella  Great. How? How the **** do you still? Have no idea what is going on then.  Dion  Have you seen the film?  Ardella  It’s a very cromulent storyline.  Speaker 2  No wonder.  Dion  Here’s what’s going on. They’re just doing things on screen and singing songs and going. This is good. Yeah. And you’re watching it.  Jill  Yeah, pop music is a part of Concepto dialog. OK, yeah.  Dion  Sure.  Ardella  Dion should never go and see a.  Jill  Thank you.  Speaker 13  Musical is what?  Ardella  We’re hearing this is an even musical.  Quinny  No, no.  Speaker 13  Devil story.  Dion  No, this isn’t far off though.  Speaker 13  Season.  Dion  This is it. Musical level storytelling and I watched it. And I’m not saying like things are bad or weird or out of my comfort zone. It’s just it’s not really for me.  Speaker 3  Dion  And that’s OK, you know.  Ardella  You’re allowed to be wrong.  Jill  He often is.  Quinny  Also I I will point out that that Dean had had a very, very long bad day by the time that this came onto his screen and I kind of get the feeling that it was like.  Speaker 4  Oh.  Quinny  Is that a reasonably accurate description deal?  Dion  Look, you know I’m not. I’m able to separate church and state here. I can understand the value of something even though my personal opinions may have coloured it slightly. That being said, I still don’t really know what’s going on in Capot demon.  Jill  Would you? Would you like this is not.  Speaker 4  Let’s let’s have us.  Dion  I mean, sure, if you think I’ve got it, I wonder if I’ve got any music somewhere. Hang on a second.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. OK. K pop. Hang on. What voice am I doing?  Speaker 13  Nothing, right?  Quinny  Well, that’s it. Somebody else better do.  Dion  Ohh no.  Quinny  OK, K pop demon hunters tells the story of A K pop girl group called Hunt Tricks, who are also demon hunters tasked with protecting the world from demons from for their king Guimar. They use their music to maintain a magical barrier called the honeymoon, and work towards strengthening. Hit into the golden Hon moon. Which would permanently vanish.  Ardella  Day and age of Tik toking. And if you’re my age, Instagram, reeling a week after it’s appeared on TikTok. We’ve basically have a a huge collection of people who’ve basically seen half the movie through real. Or tick tocks and then go. OK, I may as well go and watch this movie now. So I think that a lot of people have had that experience when Quinny mentioned it. I then was like, let’s watch the trailer for this and was on board after watching the trailer and.  Speaker 1  Mm-hmm.  Ardella  My partner and I sat down and. Watched it over Friday night. We were amazed by the number of layers that this movie has that you do not get from the trailer, and I was on board just with what that surface level stuff was already.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was the thing that surprised me. It was just the the like from a trailer, like or because I didn’t even see a trailer. I just saw it pop up on Netflix, as you know, the the, The little preview that starts playing. And I was like.  Ardella  Yeah, that’s the trailer.  Quinny  Well, but it I didn’t even watch the whole thing like it was just sort of there in the background and I was. I don’t know what that is. But **** it looks cool.  Dion  Did you just hit it like a fricking pokie machine button? As soon as it popped up, you were like chin, let’s do this.  Quinny  My good addition. Yeah, sorry, Jill. You’re gonna.  Jill  Say something. Yeah, I think at the time, quinny, when you said. Hey, Jill, have you watched K pop demon hunters yet? I think my best friend had also watched it and had, like. Posted a story about it and all I heard all over Instagram was the the main song from it Golden. It was on everything and not just like animated clips of the movie, but like just people’s reels. They’re using that song. And so I was like, oh, no.  Speaker 4  Hmm.  Jill  This is the hype zone. Jill doesn’t like being.  Speaker 4  5th.  Jill  In the hype zone. Jill wants to avoid ever watching stuff that gets into the hype zone. I still have not watched Everything Everywhere, all at once because it got too hyped, so this was heading in that direction and went. Queenie, when you said to me, have you watched it yet? I was like, I’ll get to it.  Ardella  Was interesting that you mentioned that Jill, because there are theme crossovers.  Jill  Yeah. So I don’t push me. But then I. Kept hearing the bloody music. I’m like ****, this is a catchy song and then I think it got to like the following weekend and I’m like, I’m not gonna talk to anybody about this, but I’m gonna watch.  Speaker  It.  Jill  And I was like, oh, that’s great.  Quinny  Because I’ve seen so many people who, like, have watched it, and then it’s just become their whole personality.  Jill  Ohh yeah, I mean that was on heavy rotation like the album it was. It became a hyper fixation for a.  Quinny  Yes.  Jill  Week.  Dion  Wait, so can I just get this one like coming into this just a little bit blind, you know, from this whole stuff. So you’re telling me that there are real people in the real world that saw the small part of this and it’s become a hyper fixed?  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Dion  Which is mirroring the fact that the fans of this band in the fake world have a hyper fixation problem.  Ardella  So interestingly, interestingly, the soda pop song by the Demon Boy Band for a very long time there took over the charts from the actual you know, K pop boy band of the moment BTS.  Quinny  You say?  Speaker 4  Oh yes.  Dion  The soju boys. I love the soju boys, they’re great.  Speaker 4  Ohh I love some soju.  Quinny  Beck, how do you feel about this? Pineapple surgery.  Speaker 1  What?  Dion  Soulja boys.  Jill  I like the lemon one, it’s.  Dion  Delicious.  Jill  Kind of funky, but it’s good.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the one with the six pack.  Ardella  But what’s what’s really interesting about the soundtrack to this as compared to a traditional musical, is in a traditional musical, you’ve always got that one song that everyone skips or tunes out goes to the bathroom during it’s usually the one that the token old man sings.  Jill  Ohh OK.  Speaker 13  But.  Ardella  If you think about it, is.  Quinny  It’s the talk singing 1. You give it to the guy who can barely sing.  Jill  Ohh yeah yeah. Jeff Goldblum. Number in wicked. Yeah, exactly.  Ardella  There are no low points in this soundtrack and.  Quinny  In new tiles.  Ardella  I think even. The one song that when I was watching the movie for the first time I was like, this is kind of my bathroom breaks on. When I went back and listened to the soundtrack.  Speaker 13  Through by.  Ardella  Wolf it was still a banger. I was still singing along. I was still fully on board. I was finding all the hidden messages in the lyrics. I don’t think there is a a dud on this soundtrack.  Quinny  Nope. And as of 2 days ago, Golden went to literal #1 on the Billboard chart like it’s ******* stupid.  Ardella  Something that’s really cool about the creatives behind this entire movie is that the movie has so many authentic South Korean cultural elements to it that it has become huge in South Korea as well. And many, many people there.  Speaker 3  Hmm.  Ardella  Absolutely love it, which is so wonderful because there have has been a lot of outcry in the past about South Korean culture being misrepresented. And this is a wonderful example of cultural appreciation rather than appropriation, and one of the reasons behind that is that they have actually included many South Korean genuine K pop stars and producers, writers, and the singing voice of. The main main individual from home tricks. She was a K pop star in training who went away to go to school and stopped Kpop training. And when she came back to try and be a K pop star they told her she was too old and couldn’t do it. Anymore. And so she became a writer and a producer. Of K pop music instead, and now is singing on this and has gone to the top of the charts so incredibly hard. And I think that that lends this incredible authenticity to it, but also is kind of like a stuff you to the industry at the same time, which is amazing.  Dion  Because it’s look, it’s a curious thing about the the making of it, because actually, yes, I did. I watched the whole thing and then I even watched the credits where they showed all the behind the scenes bits of the people in there. And I thought that was really interesting. And then reading more about it and trying to find out more about it. I was like, oh, that’s interesting that they have. A bunch of Korean American. Others. Doing the voice work, but then a bunch of South Korean singers doing the song work and I was just a little bit like oh, oh, OK like why, why the need for the split like?  Ardella  They’re two different skill sets. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  You you don’t find that many actors who can sing that ******* well. Like who can sing to the level that is required of.  Ardella  Yeah. The vocal range in golden is outstanding. That is like 3 octaves of belting. That’s insanity.  Dion  I’m asking the question to not because I’m attacking the I’m not asking the question because I might. Why? They have to get more. You know, why is it a whole bunch of different sort of people in there?  Jill  Deon, Every Disney musical movie had a talking voice actress and a singing voice actress as well. It was.  Dion  I’m pretty sure John Oliver did all the singing for his parts as Zazu, right?  Ardella  Not all. Yeah, not all of them. I think the more recent ones like Moana, the.  Dion  Of course I know.  Jill  Yeah. The more, yeah, I mean, the classic ones, I mean the ones from the.  Ardella  Voice actor sings as well.  Jill  90s when we were kids.  Ardella  Yeah. Speaking of which.  Dion  Sure.  Jill  Yes, the travesty of casting Leah Salonga in this movie.  Ardella  Yeah. And then giving her 30 seconds of background vocals to do. Leah Salonga was the singing voice of Jasmine and Mulan, and is an incredible musical theatre.  Jill  Yeah, crazy.  Ardella  Actress and amazing singer and is in there as like the the main mentor character for the Huntress Girls. And has no real singing. It’s so background that I didn’t even notice when it happened.  Jill  It’s devastating, but.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Like, like putting, I don’t know. One of the. Yeah. Mariah Carey is a background character.  Speaker 3  Yeah, yeah. Like what?  Ardella  Mariah would never let that happen.  Quinny  No, no, absolutely not. So what was it about it that that sort of caught your eye? Immediately because I know what put me on the back foot straight away and made me go. That’s different. But I’d love to. Know what you guys thought?  Dion  What? What? Yeah. So there’s two. There’s two parts in that which which caught your eye. And there was a bit that caught you on the back foot which.  Quinny  Was your question what? What caught your what? One you were talking about excited you, really. Grabbed you. What?  Dion  Was that what put you? What put you on the front foot? Linked you into this show?  Quinny  The. What? Yeah, yeah.  Jill  The music I think, like I I enjoy the odd K pop. I’m. I’m not a die hard. I’m not a I don’t have a bias. I’m not like fully into the K pop culture. But I do enjoy the music peripherally, and so I thought like the songs were so catchy. And then when I saw, like, some of the animated stuff, I’m like, ohh, that’s very reminiscent of the spider verse animation. And then I realized it was a Sony thing. And then I’m like, OK. Well, this is probably going to be good.  Ardella  Yeah. I think the thing that put me off was the time.  Speaker 4  Well.  Ardella  What the hell is that? Title K pop Demon Hunters makes me think that this is trash and it is trash, but the best kind of crack trash. It’s amazing.  Jill  Quinny  MHM.  Jill  OK, you know what? It’s 100% tapped into for me was the female power story, but based in music like. I was one of those kids that was like ohh yeah, I wanna be in a girl band like that was like one of my fantasy things when I was. A child, but. Also, like yeah, being a superhero too. And like Sailor Moon. Is so intrinsic for me. It really had those kind of vibes of like, you know, magical girls that can save the planet.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, that’s one of the first things I why I was like, ohh you would love it. Just for the magical girl factor. Like the the costume changes the.  Speaker 4  What’s this?  Quinny  The that that very Sailor Moon kind of vibe.  Ardella  What’s so interesting for me about? The introduction, just the opening sequence was that.  Speaker 2  Hmm.  Speaker  That.  Ardella  Funky kind of intro music. The the K pop music that it starts with reminds me a lot of earlier K pop when I was into it and some of my South Korean friends just roll their eyes at me because I think that my idea of K pop is like someone. These days, being like my favorite band is the Backstreet Boys. You know, it’s like ohh sweetie.  Jill  OK. Ardella  There we go. Yeah, you’re you’re the the shush now, grandma. Everything’s fine. Because my my favourites were like the Wonder Girls. And you know quite quite early K pop. I think, you know, compared to what’s in today, but.  Dion  You can.  Ardella  It’s just so funky and fun, and the fact that. It immediately started with the classic K pop mixing of Korean lyrics in with English lyrics, and then the flip to rap in there as well, and the rap being in both Korean and English, it really grabbed me in that I was like, OK, this is. Actually K pop it, it’s not just in the name, they are actually going with it and I found it really interesting learning afterwards that the K pop element was the last thing to be added into this storyline.  Dion  Yeah.  Ardella  Interesting. Yeah, that that was the last kind of piece of the puzzle when they were developing this movie was creating it as a K pop story.  Dion  Which is very strange because I think the thing that made me. Sort of get on board a bit with it. Like a bit more was the fact that it was self aware enough to understand some of? The. Insanity behind massive mass market fandom? Not that anyone is immune to it, like it’s all around when you go looking hard and you know the West. The West has borrowed from the that that world very heavily in the past. Our last Spice Girls etcetera, etcetera.  Quinny  Not that hard.  Dion  Was the ability for it to just to be self aware take a bit of fun, have a bit of fun with it, and then continue on go like, yeah, we acknowledge that there’s this there is there is some weird **** that happens in that world and we’re just going to lean into it and understand that it’s part of it. And then move. For with the rest of it, you know, apart from the animation is great and the characters were somewhat likeable.  Quinny  There, there, there are two things that got me straight up. So initially looking at it, I thought oh, wow, this reminds me of what, KD A yeah, which, you know, is the the League of Legends K Pop group. And I was like, OK, we’re obviously kind of gonna. Yes. That’s the thing there.  Dion  Thank you. You’re not like you’re saying things like Katie and I’m like, wait, is it three letter acronym? Should I know? What the **** is going on here? Kill. Kill, death, aggression.  Quinny  K/BA.  Dion  Right, OK. So just just help me with. This it’s a foreign territory.  Quinny  They they are a a AK pop group that was done by the animation company that did League of Legends. So they’ve they’ve got a couple of songs that I actually have no idea how many songs they have about that. And I looked at that and I thought, OK, there’s a touch point. But the thing that and I have the same thing. Hip hop demon hunters. What a stupid ******* name. But watching it, I got to about 5 minutes in and the moment that they’re on the plane and. And they allowed their characters to be ugly and to do stupid faces. And they’re beautiful characters who are fully, you know, gorgeous and made-up, and everything are burping and, like, eating ramen and fighting like ******* demons. But at the same time, they are. Very, very comedic and and I was like oh. ****, this is really kind of like as as soon as I watch it. I was like, this is gonna play to a a female crowd so. Well because it’s not saying look at these perfect, you know, pristine things. These are people who just want to have snacks and lie on the couch and you know relax and be ******* normal. Humans, but at the same time, they want to be super powerful. You know, warlocks that are protecting the world from demons and **** like that. Like this is every little girl’s ******* dream combined and. I was like, holy ****.  Jill  Yeah, like women can be multifaceted. They’re not just put into one box.  Quinny  The power of that.  Jill  As one thing.  Ardella  They can, but there’s absolutely no way an actual K pop band would be allowed to pig out on.  Speaker 4  Junk. Yeah, that’s the thing. It’s.  Ardella  That’s not happening in the real life world, I’m sorry to say. That is. I mean, when we think about.  Dion  But but but. The dropping in out of a plane? Sure.  Speaker 4  Just.  Ardella  Kind of disbelief there. Day on. Yeah, carries through. It carries through. But I do think that it’s interesting having that acknowledgement of. I mean it, it’s it’s an an issue, an underlying issue. I think the treatment of pop stars and this isn’t just a problem in South Korea with K pop or in Japan with J Pop, although it’s a very similar kind of culture from my understanding, yeah, in the their K pop J pop. Machines that churn out these bands that are designed and kind of almost bread to create hype and money and. All of this, we see it in like Dan was saying in. The Spice Girls.  Quinny  Yep.  Ardella  As well, we see it in these manufactured bands that have been created to take our love and to take our money, OK.  Quinny  The eagles.  Jill  There’s literally another program on Netflix right now called building the band.  Ardella  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I think it’s really interesting then to look at our K pop demon band. And see that they are. They’re they’re saying the quiet part out loud with with the demon boy band here. But the reality is that that is what all K pop bands are. They are there to take the love to take the energy and to take the money of their fans. And they’ve been created. Expressly to do that. And so I I just find that really interesting to have. That kind of duality on display where we’re saying no hunt tricks are the the good guys when the reality is that. All K pop bands are there to do exactly what the Demon Boy band are doing.  Dion  Yes.  Quinny  And that duality is also encompassed in the lead character as well that, yeah, there are so many elements of things that she is not comfortable with. There’s elements of her public perception that she’s not comfortable with and. You kind of like the stories of the three characters. You know that that one of them is the bad girl who doesn’t get on with her family. The other ones come from, you know, America and is is a a rapper, but she’s also really sweet. All of these things are. Prepackaged they’re made to make them assailable, you know, definable feature.  Ardella  A personality.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, that people can latch on to, but then you’re also watching and going. Yeah, they’re really funny. And they’re really cool. And I like them. And, you know, they’re they’re little horn dogs. And they, they, they just turn into popcorn and.  Dion  Thank, thankfully. Yeah, I mean, thankfully, you know, they they expressed all those lessons and of course that was the end of it. And this is all we have when. There’s one. Oh, no. That’s why there’s going to be sequels and a TV show and a live stage show. And it’s like, oh, oh, no, the demons won. Ohh no.  Jill  That’s one thing that I I would like to talk about a bit more is like the actual structure of the story. I know we’re not gonna give anything away, but I was interested that it was a movie. TV and not a TV series because I felt like there could have been a lot more character development actually happened throughout a TV series. I wanted more about the back story of the girl’s mentor. I wanted a little bit more time with the Saga boys in the demon. From in general, yeah, just a little bit more fleshing out of story I thought would be great.  Ardella  Apparently it was originally 3 hours long and I. Saw. Someone, I think it might have been tally in the in the chat mentioned that earlier.  Jill  I’d watch 3 hours of this.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m there for, I mean.  Speaker 3  Actually really.  Ardella  Joined a 90 minute movie though.  Speaker 4  We have so many long.  Speaker 3  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  *** films coming out these days and the pacing in this felt great. I would much rather be left wanting more than be left sitting on my couch, scrolling Instagram halfway through because I’m like, this is a this is a.  Speaker  I wanted.  Jill  Sure.  Ardella  Dull bed.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, this is the song that I’m not into. And that’s the reprise of the song. I’m not. Into.  Speaker 13  It’s the old man song again.  Speaker  Ohh.  Quinny  It’s something I did like though is is while I was watching it. I you know the first number I was like ohh yeah, this is pretty cool. And then within the 1st 13 minutes, there were three, you know, musical numbers, completely different songs. Like I was watching, and I was like, oh ****, this is a secret musical. It’s not that secret, but it’s a proper musical and that, I mean, for me, for my, my taste, that was ******* great sick. Amazing and like to your point, Dion, I immediately then go totally see. This is a stage. And to your point, Beck. Ohh one of you. I’m not sure who was. Yes, I could see it working as a series because there’s a lot more to explore, and while Dion, I know that you’re like the capitalist pigs, they’re just trying to make money out of the kids sometimes. That’s OK. Because this is a ******* cool story.  Speaker 4  Yeah, I I mean.  Ardella  If you do like everyone wants our money, it is a we live in a society.  Speaker  Oh.  Jill  Here at the in the high points of the capitalism, my friend.  Ardella  Yeah, but I think that there is a a way that feel feels friendly and genuine to do that and this is hitting that nail for me. And there’s a way that feels inauthentic and.  Speaker  Hmm.  Ardella  Cash grabby and that’s not this at the moment. We’ll see how many spin offs they try and squeeze out of this and when it tips that line.  Speaker  Sure.  Ardella  But I think at the moment it still feels.  Dion  And in 15 years, when Netflix rolls back around and makes a live action version of the K pop Demon Hunters franchise, we will know hey. Yeah, now.  Ardella  Warm and flat.  Quinny  Ohh, so he said. They’re not doing it.  Dion  If you’re talking about.  Quinny  They they they got, they got absolutely ******* pilloried on the Internet when the initial run of things that they announced was live action. Make stage show and ongoing series. Everyone said do not ******* do this live action they.  Dion  Quinny. Went OK. Producers don’t care. It’s just that now there’s a lot of complaints. They’ll wait till they’re less complaints and then they’ll do it anyway for a tax break. That’s how the system works, quinny.  Speaker 4  That.  Quinny  So you’ve got another K pop.  Dion  People.  Speaker 6  Exactly.  Speaker 3  For me.  Speaker  You know like.  Dion  Stuff will happen that way, unfortunately and sometimes, fortunately, anyway, philosophically.  Ardella  Well, the sequel has already been greenlit by Netflix, which is unsurprising given that this is apparently in the couple of months that it’s been out a month and 1/2 that it’s been out. It has already topped all other animated movies on Netflix for the most watched.  Dion  Yeah. And we’re a good time behind as we have already. Explain like in in terms of the pickup of this is that came out in June, you know and it’s now **** me, August.  Quinny  Yes.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  That’s the official date.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Every time I look at the calendar these days.  Ardella  It is now **** me.  Dion  I’m like ****. Anyway.  Quinny  I’m Jill. I want to know on your your new rating system, how many? How many tips have you got less after this?  Speaker 4  ****. No. I think that’s a good.  Jill  2 tips off.  Dion  Ohh no **** left.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah, I it it. Yeah, it. Put my ****.  Jill  Off I enjoyed it a lot more than I.  Dion  Jill is Jill is untited.  Jill  Was expecting to because like. I know Queenie loves animation and so his glowing review was like Oh well, it’s gotta be good. And then also my friend who loves K pop and and animation as well and even her husband who enjoys animation like both raved about it. So I’m like, OK well. This has got to be good. That kind of got me in to watch it, but it’s so strange that like. I then convinced my other friend group to watch it and they were all like, oh, this is very kiddy and every everybody else thought it was. It was quite junior, but I didn’t really. Get that read.  Quinny  No.  Jill  They were like ohh it seems like a bit of a teen bop kind of thing and I’m like, well, I am 15 years old. Guys like, that’s why I like it.  Speaker 4  I think this.  Ardella  Is very Shrek adjacent in the figure. Pitch the kid. TV like category if you want to put.  Jill  Yeah, but there’s.  Ardella  It there, but it’s so grown up.  Jill  This was the stuff for the horn bag older women like.  Speaker 4  Is that what you say, Shrek? Yes.  Quinny  She’s not.  Dion  Shrek can get it.  Speaker  I mean.  Dion  Shrek can’t get. I mean, sorry. Before we go into the ratings, which we should do soon to try.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Quinny  No, no. We need to talk about so.  Dion  And keep in time.  Quinny  Many more things.  Dion  Yeah, there are many things to talk about. The the Quinny, you did raise a point to me the other day talking about K pop demon hunters, which is going. Yes, it’s an interesting comparison, like an interesting comparison film to perfect blue, which we talked about recently too and.  Speaker 2  Yeah.  Dion  I was like. You may have a point.  Jill  Maybe not a companion piece.  Dion  There.  Quinny  I don’t know. I think I think they’re a fantastic companion faced 11 after the other and just.  Dion  Thematically. Thematically, it’s it’s somewhat similar in in in certain ways, not not the same way, like let’s they’re too.  Jill  Ones are very dark and twisted version.  Dion  Exactly, but they both.  Quinny  Yeah, what’s when’s the demons we met. Along the way.  Dion  But they both talk about fandoms. They both talk about the some of the crushing nature of conformity and having to represent yourself as something you may not be, and the damage that that could do. And. And let’s be honest, yeah, it diverges. Very, very different. But there are interesting themes and it’s really interesting to me to think about that. That film made back in the 90s was like working out these problems then and how far we’ve come and how we relate to it. Now, how creatives are relating to that now in this space with, you know, capable demon hunters is like, yeah, look at all these. Things that are still pretty much a problem, but we’re going to acknowledge that they have been a problem and that, you know, these are the things and but we still keep going because we have good messages that we want to try to put out. And if we could all make some money, that’s. Great. But if we have competition, we will crush. It that’s one take away I got from from like K Pop bands is they crush each other.  Speaker 1  Also.  Dion  As they can.  Jill  In the charts in the.  Dion  Yeah, it’s in the chat, but literally.  Quinny  Charts that I think you know differentiate some really very differently is that in perfect blue fandom is seen as being toxic and dangerous and bad. In this one fandom is is the beautiful glowing. Power of house that will save the world and die on your face. Is telling me that you ain’t buying any of this.  Dion  I think that’s a stretch.  Ardella  Ship, haven’t we all been in a a stadium watching a band that you love and just all singing along at once and just felt that that vibe? I mean, it’s what gets people into cult. So you know that it can be used for good or for ill.  Quinny  I was we we we both watched 11,000 with 11,000 other people. People rolled dice.  Speaker 14  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Dion  I mean I.  Speaker 3  Yeah, it’s.  Dion  Went I went to the Jared Leto 1 and that was fine. I’m normal.  Ardella  It’s a powerful thing, is what I’m getting at, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  I get.  Speaker  Quinny  You and in the chat a couple of people mentioned that there’s a comparison with the Puss in Boots, the last Wish, same automotive.  Ardella  I thought his favorite movie of all time.  Dion  I still haven’t. I still haven’t watched it. Even though you keep telling me I. I know. I know get that ***** kids. You know, like there’s only so many.  Quinny  Fine.  Ardella  Come here. We will. Clockwork Orange you again.  Dion  Alright, time to go to my friend’s house and be forced. Watched it or something.  Quinny  Yeah.  Ardella  That’s how I feel about the drunk DC. Watches that we’ve.  Dion  Oh yeah, we still gonna. Do that one.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  I still haven’t seen Aquaman 2. Can we bookend it? Which? One should go first, is it?  Speaker 2  Oh.  Speaker 13  I didn’t even know.  Ardella  There was an Aquaman. Ohh yeah.  Speaker 4  Yes, ******* all.  Dion  Yeah. Anyway, OK, think of your think of your ratings. Yes, rate, rate and rate and spoil.  Speaker 4  Should we right and then spoil? Yeah, yes, yes, yes.  Quinny  And if you have seen it in the chat, drop me some numbers so that I can put them into the thing I love. I love keeping an eye out for them.  Dion  Look, OK, I’ll look. I’ll start. Cause Get Me Out of the way. Why? Not. RIP the Band-Aid. Off, yeah, I look, I had a fun time because it was quite poppy and exciting and the animation is actually quite flawless. I like the characters all had a bit of humanity in them. They weren’t that way. U. Kind of. Everyone kind of worked. There’s definitely a saleable marketable thing going because that blue cat is why is that not a plushy already?  Speaker 4  Oh yes.  Quinny  Going to tell you about the blue cat.  Ardella  Derpy is his name.  Dion  Derpy is great. Yeah. OK, all the like. It’s good. I can see the the bit of the franchise there. And I can also see.  Speaker  He loves derpy.  Dion  Me having to scream when I hear the song again after the yeah, yeah. Yeah. 100% not for me, but I will give it 75. Because yeah, like, I think it’s good. Like if someone said, hey, you know, should I watch K pop diamonds? I’m like, yeah, like, you know, I recommend it to people with small kids. I don’t recommend all the way up to people who are 75. Yeah. I was the whole gamut. You can get something out of it. There is a good message in there.  Ardella  75 yeah.  Dion  And I think it’s quite a little hidden gem or. Unreleased jam, even if you don’t particularly like K Pop.  Quinny  Fair, Jill. Sorry.  Jill  Yeah. Look, I’m so excited to say that I have no tips after this film. It’s been a while. It’s been a while, but I am going to give it a 90.  Speaker  Off.  Quinny  We yellow.  Jill  Been a while since we’ve hit the nines for me, but I love that animation. There were just some moments where I was like. What am I watching like? This is just like the textures and everything were so ******* beautiful. There were moments where I’m like Christ, that looks almost realistic.  Speaker 1  Mm-hmm.  Jill  Loved how everybody had a personality. Everyone was like, different. Had their clerks had their faults, like had their beautiful moments. The only reason why it’s not getting more is because there were just some like small unresolved story things that I wish had been explored a little bit more, but. Other than that. We loved it.  Quinny  Heck, do you want to drop a number?  Ardella  Quinny  Nice.  Ardella  I’m a harsh marker, but what can I say? It’s interesting that you mentioned the animation, Jill, because one of the beautiful things that I’ve learned is that the hunt tricks characters our protagonists are animated in a very traditional way, which means that every second frame they move. Whereas our demon Boy band animated differently where they move every single frame and there are certain times at where it’s poignant in the movie where they swim.  Speaker  Which?  Ardella  Ohh and so there’s there’s lots of super cool things that happen behind the scenes that we don’t consciously recognise, but it’s doing stuff to our brains and I think it’s really, really cool. So yeah, I think the more that I learn about this movie and the work that’s gone in behind the scenes, the more I love it. And that’s why it’s really reaching those top numbers.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  You gotta respect a bit of filmmaking.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Bit of craft work in there.  Ardella  Exactly.  Quinny  And and that’s very much like the first spider verse. Yes, where like they were animating different characters on different frame rates and you know the the attention to detail. And one of the things that gets me about this is the. The absolute love for Korean culture, but also Korean mythology, and it’s also going to be very, very interesting down the track. Seeing people cosplay from it because already there have been people who have gone to do cosplays of the Soulja Boys and so forth and have had to. That that question of appropriation or appreciation. Is very difficult around certain parts of costumes because the hats are an actual part of a very specific part of Korean culture that you really can’t **** with. Yeah. So like the fact.  Ardella  Historical Korean culture, not even current really Korean culture as far as I’m aware as well.  Quinny  Yeah. Hmm. So yeah, whipping one up out of warbler is is kind of not. Not cool, not kosher. And that kind of.  Ardella  Derpy is my next cosplay. Yeah.  Quinny  Thing. And when we come back from the the and everything, I will talk about Derpy because that’s another piece of amazing Korean history and culture right there. My rating is 95. I ******* watched the **** out of it and love the **** out of it. The like the music aspect of it, I I’m not a big K pop fan or anything like that. I I don’t listen to a lot of that music, but I didn’t care because it was super catchy. The vocals were insane. I love that mix of of like the three different voices and the three different styles. Of the girls like that, you know, one will drop into really American style rap, but they’re all capable of rapping. They’ll all take, you know, high parts, low parts. But at the same time, then mix it with a bunch of really cool choreography and and martial arts. Mix in some extra mythology, add some cute characters. I love the fact that you know secondary characters are given a bit of love to like. The band’s manager is. Not a ********. You know how ******* lovely is it that that you know, you’re not just going? Yeah. The traditional ******** band manager? No, he ******* loves.  Dion  Them. Did you not learn anything from Jersey and the Pussycats? What the? ****.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I I just, I mean, as I was watching, I just kept thinking, Oh my God, this is this is a thing for a generation of of girls to watch and. And relate to and want to be and emulate and I suddenly understood that whole thing that all the girls in primary school would go off and learn dances. And then to tie that whole thing that that you know, people want to do of of singing and dancing with, like, spiritual power and empowerment and protectiveness. I was just like, **** me. So yeah, I got a little love for it. I really don’t have much bad to say about it, which is, I mean, I don’t want to give it 100 because that would be ridiculous, but ****** really enjoyed.  Dion  It you can give it a.  Speaker 13  100 and that’s just the surface story.  Quinny  I know we haven’t even talked about what it all means.  Dion  Can’t wait for you to review the stage musical 350,000 out of.  Quinny  Review it, I’m going. To direct the. *******.  Dion  Which would you like to go? Would you like to meet the? Boys or yeah. With that one, we see who, who we. Talking about here, who are the Sargent boys? Sounds weird?  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Look normal.  Speaker 5  Ohh yeah.  Speaker 6  Come on. Take your time. Yeah.  Speaker 14  Just like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 2  Ohh hot.  Speaker 3  You guys are so gross.  Speaker 6  No, yet you go hot. Then we’ll go. He.  Dion  Ohh that is just harsh. No helping hand there whatsoever. So the Sarja boys are a bit of * ****, really, aren’t they? They’re just *****. Hot *****.  Speaker  Yes.  Jill  Yeah, but they’re hot. They’re hot.  Speaker 4  Hot *****.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, Jesus.  Jill  I’m going to tell you like we went to smash. What was it like 3 weeks ago? The artist Alley was chocolate block of K pop demon hunters. Art anything? Right with that tiger on, it was sold.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  Right.  Jill  Out. Yeah, right. Good. There were. There’s a scene in the film where the both of the bands are Hunter Eggs and the Sergeant Boys are doing a meet and greet with fans.  Quinny  Oh my God. So.  Jill  And Abby, the gentleman with the. Tabs instead of signing a piece of paper with his name, he runs like pencil against a piece of paper on his ABS, and that’s his signature. There were drawings of that in the artist Alley for sale. The insanity.  Dion  I love Jesus. Yeah. I mean, OK question here. I don’t understand why I have questions now and spoil the logo is up and we’ll talk about spoil everythings if you like. Yeah, it’s been a month. It’s been out for quite a long time. I get derpy the thing.  Jill  Of this movie.  Speaker 14  Yes.  Dion  But what was with the strange Game of Thrones crossover with the Three Eyed Raven?  Speaker  Quinny  Do you want the?  Speaker 4  It’s not a Game of Thrones crossover deal on.  Dion  Everything’s a Game of Thrones crossover.  Ardella  It’s.  Quinny  Heck, do you wanna take it?  Ardella  Quinty no quinny you take this, you are so keen.  Quinny  No, I was so keen. But I I mean, I’m guessing we’ve probably watched the same explainer videos and stuff.  Speaker 13  No, I I read I don’t. Watch.  Quinny  Ohh God, within you actually.  Jill  Jesus, she’s an intellectual.  Speaker 13  Exactly. Where’s my glasses?  Quinny  Just need to take these things off and becomes derpy. The ******* yeah, well.  Dion  You’re on. You’re on.  Jill  Stick your tongue out.  Dion  New media now not only this traditional lofi media that you may try.  Speaker 2  Oh.  Quinny  Yeah. So OK, it’s not a Raven, it’s a magpie. And in Korean culture, the A, this is a it’s a historical joke. So the, the, the, the tiger and the magpie is the punchline of a historical joke. That tigers were traditionally shown as being the representative of the upper class and of rich culture, and specifically the governing class, and the magpie was the symbol of the lower class, the worker. Pass whatever and the hat which I’ve got to remember the name of. Thank you. If somebody wants to look it up for me, that’d be great. The hat is essentially a symbol of power. And so there’s a joke, or there’s a moment in there where the sorry.  Dion  It’s called a gap. It’s called a get, yeah.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, ginu ginu.  Quinny  So.  Jill  Said he made it for the tiger.  Quinny  So yeah, that’s the joke is that it’s a symbol of power that was meant for the tiger, but the magpie keeps stealing it.  Speaker  Ah.  Quinny  And so it’s the it’s a symbol that the lower class will always get one up on the upper class because the upper class is ******* stupid and that’s why he’s derpy. And you’ll see in a lot of Korean art, tigers are always drawn slightly cross eyed or just a little bit dumb looking.  Jill  Quinny  And it’s because essentially, they’re just going upper class. The stupid look at the smart magpie with three eyes, you can see everything.  Dion  So this is exactly like parasite.  Ardella  Yeah, that’s what we’re saying.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Dion  No, just that that character representation of the blue cat and the magpie is just parasite as a metaphor.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah. Yep, yeah.  Quinny  And and it makes that sequence where where Derpy comes out and knocks over the plant and then just can’t get it to stand up way too long. Like ohh you stupid.  Speaker  Yes. Thank you.  Dion  But it’s good to know, you know, like, I like those little trivia bits. It’s fun. It’s fun to.  Ardella  Learn. Feel like I I was so. Impressed that for the first time I think ever.  Speaker  Hmm.  Ardella  A Netflix trailer. Managed to intrigue and make me want to watch more and actually get me invested in the story without giving away the actual plot. Yeah, there is. There is a very surface level plot being shown out there and I think now that people are, you know, watching more of the clips on TikTok and Instagram and that sort of thing and watching even the golden video clip, they’ll, you might get spoiled.  Quinny  Hmm.  Ardella  Before watching the movie, if you’ve seen all of that, but for me my first tip popped off in the opening in.  Quinny  In the you’re missing how many sticks are you missing?  Ardella  Well, I have lost the second hit for me when the pattern reveal.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Ardella  Happened in the.  Speaker  Ah.  Ardella  There was. It is very rare that any movie, a movie directed for adults with high levels of intelligence, they rarely get me with the whoa. What happened there was seeing that coming. This movie did that, I gasped. At that reveal, there were. There was nothing in me that thought that that was coming and that is so rare these days. I am so impressed that this movie called K Pop Demon. And so kind of surface level, you know, just fun on top, managed to have this flip. It had this beautiful level of depth to it. I just really loved that so much. I would have enjoyed, I think, a movie where it was just a, you know, magical girl. Banned fighting demons. I would have enjoyed that anyway, but this went a step further.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  So in when we’re talking about the patterns and we’re talking about that, that reveal and that question about Rumi. What are the? Different like so I think that there are so many different layers of what it could mean. And I think one of the things that’s really smart about the film is that. It. Doesn’t specifically say it means any one thing. But what? What did you guys?  Ardella  Because they’re they’re waiting for the sequel or the spin offs or.  Jill  Yeah. So we’re gonna get the story that gives you the back story about, like who roomie’s father was and what happened to her mother and the the what were they called the Sunshine Sisters or whatever.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Band. Was and then we also need to have Gino come back because that was unfair how he went. Out. I know it was a beautiful sacrifice, but no, I want Ginyu back.  Ardella  He’s now in the blade, though. If you if you watch the sequence, you can see his spirit get pulled into the blade, which is an actual thing in Korean.  Quinny  Oh no.  Ardella  Mythology. Spirit blades. I believe. I believe I’m not Korean. Please correct me if I’m wrong.  Jill  OK, well I love. I love me as sexy anthropomorphize spirit coming out. Of the sword. So I’ll take. Yeah.  Speaker 3  And then the grade.  Ardella  Changes once his spirit is absorbed into it, so you can see the two different forms of the the blades are.  Jill  I need to ******* watch this movie again. Don’t.  Ardella  Very, very cool.  Speaker 13  I let’s go right now.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Let’s see. We’re doing a watch along right now.  Speaker 4  It’s.  Jill  Now become a live stream.  Quinny  So damn, what was your you? You had some different takes on on what, some of that meaning may have? Been.  Dion  Which what do you mean the the meaning of which the whole?  Quinny  Thing of the past.  Dion  There’s a lot going on me was there? Did I say something that I’ve I’ve undoubtedly forgotten since yesterday?  Quinny  On. Yeah, well, quite possibly. So, I mean there there’s, there’s that whole thing of like being, you know, intergenerational trauma, like of this is the Korean trauma. Of what? Their history is the split of the country, North and South Korea, which you can read into that. You could also read into it an LGBT thing of this thing that you have to keep hidden about. Yourself. And whether or not she’s allowed to be, especially in K pop, the idea that is she allowed to be who she actually is. Because that is not appropriate like that whole thing of you wearing marks on your. That. You have to keep hidden. I think it has a lot of meaning for a lot of different people for probably a lot of different reasons.  Speaker 1  MHM.  Ardella  Yes, I would agree. I would hesitate to say that this is implying that Ruby is LGBTQIA plus at all, but I have 100% think that people who are LGBTQ a.  Quinny  No, not necessarily.  Ardella  Us could find a lot of parallels there.  Quinny  Yeah, I think that that’s sort of like that X-Men kind of thing. It’s like, yeah, no, we’re not saying that these characters are gay or whatever, but they are a fantastic.  Ardella  Except the ones that.  Quinny  Are. Yeah. So my my best X-Men guy.  Ardella  I think it’s really interesting. We’re seeing a lot of this storyline coming out in a lot of Asian and Asian American stories over the last decade especially, I’ve noticed a a real through line in a lot of the media that I’ve seen, at least. Where these cultures seem to be very much from an outsider perspective. Very much about conforming and not rocking the boat and being being part of a whole community that works well together because everyone kind of assimilates and and doesn’t step outside of the mold or make anyone uncomfortable. And I think yeah, exactly. I think that there is a lot of media coming out these days.  Jill  Yeah, homogeneous.  Ardella  And it’s interesting, Jill, that you mentioned Everything Everywhere all at once earlier, because that’s definitely part of the story behind that movie and and a real message in that movie is. Is that we need to allow the newer generations to be a little bit more unique and individual and celebrate that as something that is wonderful and and adds colour to our cultures and our societies, rather than being something that we should squash. Or avoid and to me, that’s what the patterns were and that’s what you know, was a a real underlying message behind this story is it’s not about conforming, it’s about celebrating what’s unique and individual about each of us.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I I did just check and and the reason I brought it up is because of the writer did say that the the intent was that it was a. Bit like coming. Out to your parents? Ohh, so she was. She was. It was a very deliberate piece to say hey, it’s like that. She’s not saying that Remy is, you know.  Dion  So coming out.  Ardella  I mean, could be you go off in your head cannons out there.  Dion  To your friends. Also coming coming out to your friends who have literally been trained to murder. You.  Speaker 13  Your your partner.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  For the whole thing.  Speaker 4  Yes.  Dion  Look, I like the little bit of the sort of Buffy the Vampire Slayer chosen. Ones. You know, how do we do this? We just kind of go and kill these faithless demons which there are thousands and thousands and thousands of them, apart from the very special one.  Quinny  Yeah, very.  Dion  That ohh wait. Yes. Yes. So you know I got that sort of storyline.  Ardella  Although I do think that there is a pot, I mean obviously we see Janus. Progression where he was genuinely villainous. He was * ****. Wow, what * **** we learned.  Dion  Sure. What is it again with? Absolutely ancient men and young women.  Jill  That’s like type.  Speaker 4  Being like can.  Ardella  You I I just want to be rich and wealthy at the expense of my family. What a ******* nightmare, human. But then.  Speaker  And.  Ardella  Obviously evolves and become someone who we can genuinely sympathise with, I think, but I feel like we also, especially in that scene, I think Jill, you mentioned the the signing scene, we see a lot of the other members of the Demon Boy Band of the Sargent Boys.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  Have a little bit more personality and a little bit more empathy, I think, than I was expecting and I I would be interested to see that explored a bit more. As well, yeah.  Speaker 1  Hmm.  Quinny  One thing I do love is also the the historical mythological context of it too, that the the idea of the the Singing priestess is is quite a a long history in Korean culture. So the moon or mudang not mudang. Are a an offshoot of of Korean shamanism who their their whole thing was, you know, singing to keep their people safe and, you know, reach out and and bridge the world between gods and humans and so forth. And you see that at the at the very start, like there’s the flashback to the original ones. They’re they’re all traditional like priestess outfits. But then the fact that they’re, you know, really latching into the the Korean singing group thing. You know that there was another group in the 50s and the 60s called the the Kim Sisters. Who group of three well known all around the world, appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show. Did like 22 shows over the years on Ed Sullivan. Like that kind of thing. We’re going. Yes, we’re gonna do it. I love the idea that we could have, you know, stories told in different time frames.  Ardella  Yeah. And before the Kim’s sisters, there was the Jair Gory sisters. I think it’s pronounced and they were also a three piece girl band who we assume is kind of being referenced in that introduction as well.  Dion  Can can we just make sure that we even if we go across different time periods they still kill demo? That’s right. Yes, as long as there’s still some demon hunting and killing going on in there. I’m fine. I’m on board with it.  Ardella  Like.  Quinny  100%.  Speaker 4  Absolutely.  Ardella  100 percent, 100% yeah. I also need to mention I’m sure many of us already know this, but Saja as the name of the Saja boys also has multiple meanings. It means lion.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Ardella  But it is also a kind of slang term for the grim Reaper. So there’s that duality there. So that’s that’s why they have the lion like logo. That’s what they’re saying. That’s the that’s the loud part. They’re like, we’re the Lion Boys essentially, but.  Speaker 2  Oh.  Quinny  I didn’t know.  Dion  That, and also dark and mysterious.  Quinny  And.  Ardella  It’s also. Through. Yeah, slang for the grim Reaper in South Korea.  Quinny  And I don’t think I would have understood or appreciated this film if I hadn’t for the past couple of years had an awful lot to do with idol culture like, yeah, but I I’ve learned a lot in the past few years of working for idol festivals and, you know. The whole idol scene and. And. Something that I find fascinating and is really like key to the film, but it’s sort of unless you’ve seen the crowds doing their thing in person. The relationship between crowd and band. Is incredibly intense. Like and the crowds at these events are not. Just, you know, observers, they’re part of the show and they see their role really importantly, you know, all of the glow glowing sticks that they’re holding up all of the colours that they choose to wear, the fact that they, you know, stand a particular singer or whatever and will then change the.  Ardella  They’re bias.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. You know, they will do all these things and like, you’ll see them during songs. Like I watch them at smash people climbing up on each other’s shoulders just so that they can. Performatively go. You know, I’m not actually singing at you. I’m just showing you how much I appreciate what you’re doing. Is like if you don’t know about it, you’re gonna think it’s ******* weird as ****, which I did for a while, but then when you see it, you go ohh. OK, I get it. And now I watch this film and you realize why so much time is spent with the fandom as well, like. They they spend a lot of time, you know, looking at the the kinds of fans who have latched on to these people. Is it the the sex starved older ladies? Is it the preteen girls who are just utterly, you know, smitten? Is it the big boofy guys who will cry at the drop of a hat? You know, all of that is.  Ardella  I think it’s interesting, though, to suggest that it’s just a AK pop thing or a J pop thing or something like that where you have these biases when you think about, you know, kiss people would wear their specific band members makeup style to go to a kiss concert. It’s it’s a similar.  Quinny  Oh, not at all.  Speaker 4  Yeah, it’s just all.  Jill  About finding community and the things that. You love, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. Really. And. And it’s also like I remember I wanted to write a ******* paper on this at one point. It’s the the concept of avatar rism that you wear the thing that you want to take on the, the, the, the feeling of you know, so.  Jill  Dude, I’ve done it for 20 years doing cosplay.  Speaker 13  Exactly. Hello cosplay? Yeah.  Quinny  And cosplay is cosplay is like the the the doing it out loud and doing it at the biggest possible way. But for other people it’s that whole thing of wearing your favorite band T-shirt or wearing a Superman T-shirt or wearing, you know something. It’s that thing of.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  This gives me all these feelings. And I want to then wear it so that I can try and, you know.  Jill  Yeah. Now, name five of their. Songs.  Ardella  Jesus.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Ardella  And when you bring that all together, it really is. Powerful and I.  Quinny  Hmm.  Ardella  Think that that’s what they’re they’re tapping into on both sides here where you know that it can be used for good or for evil.  Quinny  Yeah. And. And the idea that a golden home moon only comes when, like, everybody’s actually being true about who they are, you know, that’s a it’s a pretty powerful ******* feeling. Yeah.  Speaker  Beautiful.  Dion  Yeah, beautiful. Speaking of powerful feelings. What are we doing for the rest of? The month, I don’t know. You don’t. You don’t know. Even though you you know exactly what it is. We’ve got a few things. There’s a lot going on in the month of the Merry, Merry month of August. We’ve got lots of movies that are out there. Things like nobody too.  Quinny  I do have a do in front of.  Dion  And one that we’re gonna see tomorrow night, which is. Weapons.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  You need the weapon. Give me the yeah. OK.  Ardella  I saw an ad for weapon the other night which just said 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and it was a print ad and I was like that. That’s a that’s a strong choice.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker 1  Hmm.  Jill  From the team that brought us barbarian.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  He ******* loves barbarian.  Dion  Yeah, that was. That was one that came out of left field w

Fantastic Four: First Steps Is this, the 4th attempt at bringing the Marvel Universe‘s “First Family” to the big screen actually as fantastic as it purports to be? Well, we have finally settled on a look and feel that best suits the classic super hero squad: and it’s ‘60s Retro-futurism all the way for one and all!!! It’s a whole new universe of Marvel stories starring Omni-daddy Pedro Pascal, serving C&%t Vanessa Kirby, Joseph “i’m on fire!” Quinn and Ebon Moss Bacharach (or baccarat as Quinny thinks he’s called) as the truly Fantastic Four! In this film we kick of Marvel‘s Phase 6 and usher in a new style and direction of storytelling, but is it actually good?  Listen in and find out! 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What time is it?  Speaker 3  What time is it?  Speaker 6  Blame on us? Yeah, it’s it’s.  Speaker 3  Fun it’s it’s podcasting time.  Dion  Butter in time. Wait, that doesn’t quite work. I don’t know. And right now, Pete, which she was invisible. Yeah. Yeah, well done.  Speaker 6  oh  Speaker 3  Sorry.  Quinny  Very well done. I love the feeling now, really. She’s.  Dion  Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Embrace hope. She’s yeah, probably. Still there. Can you hear?  Jill  Really gone. Just gone.  Dion  Us in the void.  Peta  I’m invisible. I’m not silent.  Speaker  Yeah. Yes.  Dion  That’s true. They didn’t use that enough in the film. I don’t think they’re just having Sue just kind of being like, what are you guys talking about and freaking people out because, you know, I do, if I were the Invisible Man.  Jill  Yeah, she’s not seen, not heard woman.  Dion  Yeah, not seen, not heard. Wow. Hello. Back after a week. Off. Off. Yeah, yeah. Small, small break.  Quinny  Wow. Hey, I said, everybody feeling enthused and like, upbeat and stuff.  Jill  It was nice. To have a little break to be honest.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, I hate those months with the five Tuesdays. What? What weirdness is that ********? And now? Ohh, it’s it’s gone. You’ve gone all glowy and.  Peta  Yeah, I’ve, I’ve. I’ve smudged the camera so.  Quinny  And ohh well. Yeah, I know. She’s she’s actually doing the exact effect from the movie where it’s just a little.  Jill  Yeah, yeah. The Vaseline lens. Yeah.  Speaker 3  Bit of.  Quinny  Now, now pets. No.  Dion  Can I stretch my hand over here?  Quinny  Pun. Serve absolute can’t with your face while you.  Jill  Do that. Yeah, there it is.  Dion  There you go. Perfect.  Speaker 3  And now I’m going to do some cooking, OK?  Dion  Ohh dear and you know what I hope for everyone. Hello to everyone in the chat mainly for. I hope you all got to do the home.  Speaker  Hey.  Dion  Work.  Jill  Yeah. Did everyone enjoy the movie? I.  Dion  This particular day.  Quinny  Mean I could. See it? Yeah, Tari looks like that. She hasn’t seen it yet. She’s saying that she that please be good. Ohh. Interesting.  Speaker  Oh.  Speaker 6  Ohh.  Dion  Fascinating. What?  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Look. Yeah, we Fantastic Four has been out since last Thursday. Officially, we saw it last week which? Was quite fun.  Jill  Yeah, there’s even some early screenings on Wednesday for the public.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s out. It’s part of Marvel’s Phase 266.  Quinny  Yep. First film of Save 6. First film of, say Phase 6. God, that’s.  Speaker 6  Dion  Why couldn’t have made it the first film of Phase 4?  Quinny  Because that was quite some time.  Dion  And then it. Would have been. Ago. Right. OK. Look, the fourth attempt at the Fantastic Fours and I I include in that the the 1994. 1. Which was never released except IS is is hovered around. Yes, there was a 1994 one.  Jill  That would make this the 5th 1 then.  Dion  Yeah. No, no, it’s it’s, it’s, I say this as in the fourth go at it because there were two with the same cast. So you have the, yeah.  Speaker 6  Ohh OK.  Dion  What are you talking about? This is. Our fourth thing. We have had, yes, it’s the fourth thing, you know, Michael Chiklis did a great job getting covered in rubber.  Quinny  That is true, Yep.  Peta  Yeah.  Dion  You know, and then you know, we’re up to this one.  Jill  Can’t remember the other guy.  Quinny  That’s gonna get off in the life. And remember who played the thing in Fan 4? Stick. Ohh my.  Dion  God fan 4 stick.  Jill  I know.  Quinny  That was, that’s what it’s called.  Jill  Fan Fant Fant 4 stick.  Quinny  I don’t know, but I I just.  Jill  Yeah, I think that a was in the. Middle not at the start.  Quinny  Ohh OK, I just call it fan 4 stick because it’s it’s easier to say.  Dion  Ohh, that’s right, it’s Jamie Bell.  Quinny  Ohh God that’s.  Dion  Right, you remember.  Speaker 2  Whoops.  Quinny  He was the young.  Dion  Billy Elliot.  Speaker 3  Yes.  Quinny  And and the young, chipper guy out of of the first king or the the King Kong movie that Peter Jackson did.  Dion  And he was also tin tin. But that was who made.  Quinny  It so not really who you would think. Yeah, would fit in a giant thing.  Jill  Memorable.  Dion  That he was the. Thing, yes.  Quinny  And Karina makes a good point, a arresting piece to Julian McMahon, who was the 1st Doctor Doom actually. Sorry, 2nd Doctor Doom.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah.  Dion  Yes, because there was a doom.  Jill  I did rewatch the 2005 version on the weekend just for a bit of nostalgia. Yeah, I like those trashy ones. They’re great. They’re so campy and stupid.  Speaker  Did you?  Quinny  What did you think of it?  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  And I look back on them. And I’m like, wow, the simpler times where we did comic book films. And we really, really did make them comic bookie.  Speaker  Yeah, man. Yeah.  Dion  And finally.  Jill  Well, we weren’t going. For all of the realism and stuff.  Quinny  Yeah. And they didn’t have to fit in with some. Gigantic *******. Thing.  Jill  I will tell you practical effects. Thing I don’t know I like. Yeah, CGI 1 is like that, feels like. A cheap cop out.  Quinny  Right. OK. OK. Fine, no suit.  Jill  With balls on it and not put in. Any effort and? Just animate it.  Quinny  You know what?  Dion  Wait, do you mean wait?  Peta  The fine effort.  Jill  Hey, it’s a different kind of effort. I’m like, let’s get our hands dirty and make a ******* stinky suit out of foam expanding. Foam or something like that and. Of course, some lung disease. Let’s get into.  Dion  I’m I’m going to like, I’m just going to take it on part of the actors there. Sometimes I’m just going to be like, yeah, maybe they don’t.  Jill  It.  Quinny  This is Jeff.  Dion  Want that? Maybe they don’t want to spend 16 hours in a makeup chair to to to do. Yeah.  Speaker 6  As a cosplayer, I I would agree, but I would also disagree because I think it would be fun to make it.  Dion  Sure. I mean ultimately it’ll be that great thing of like they make someone do that and then they just go oh.  Quinny  I’m. I’m just.  Dion  We’re just gonna CGI it.  Quinny  Well, The thing is, there was a there was a lot of the thing in this one that was actually practical. Like there’s quite believe it or not, there’s there’s shots that they hired a a pretty big wrestler to be the body for it. So on set. A lot of the time there was a practical suit, dude of roughly the right size. Is.  Jill  So we’re not talking about a guy that’s just standing in there in a green zentai.  Quinny  No, I mean when when they’re doing it with Evan Moss, Baccarat, then he was in the uh, whatever the **** he said. Backup, backup, backtrack.  Dion  Doctor rap. No. Baccarat. That’s a.  Quinny  Alright.  Dion  Game I know.  Quinny  Dion  Know you’re in a casino in Monte. Carlo yes, guys.  Quinny  Anyway, when he was on set, yeah, they they had this entire certain stuff like that. But there were quite a lot of it that was shot any time they needed, like a wide shot and everything. They actually had a dude in a suit with the. Ohh head and everything. Cool. Alright. Yeah, I’ve I’ve seen the the pictures of that, but I’ve also in the chat just put a link to the 1994 one and the thing in that Jill, you would love that one because the the suit actually looks more like the comic book character than any of the others have.  Jill  I love the terrifying dead. Eyes.  Speaker 3  I know.  Dion  I mean, it’s great. It’s yeah, it’s very thingy.  Jill  That’s. Yeah, that’s.  Speaker 6  Look at that thingy over there. That thingy.  Dion  Yeah, that, that, that is definitely something I’d go. What is that thing? If I saw it in a in a thing?  Jill  With that young man with fake grey sideburns.  Quinny  I know, right?  Dion  Yeah. Hey guys. I’m trying hard here, Joe. What?  Quinny  Honestly, if you could find that film. Like this. This is I love this one because my my thing with Fantastic Four it it started with this film because I was one of those ******* nerds who heard that there was a film that got made and was never released. So I then went and hunted.  Speaker  For.  Quinny  It and I, you know, back in the days of VHS trading, got somebody to send me a *******. VHS of this film that had never been released, and I’ve watched it. It’s terrible, but it’s actually got a lot of, like, it’s trying really hard.  Jill  And. Nice.  Quinny  To do all of the things that are fantastic, four movie should do just with no budget. Hmm. So yeah, like it’s got Doctor Doom. It’s got the mole, man. It’s it’s got them all doing their powers. But like Reed, stretchy arms are like pool noodles with a with a *******. A glove on the end.  Jill  I mean that’s still image alone is giving vibes of like 70s Italian Spiderman.  Dion  Yes, got a bit of that. I mean, you’ve gotta. What’s what’s the what’s the the crossover slash league like the Marvel Group, you know, secret wars thing. It’s the 1989 Punisher. Dolph Lundgren. It’s the the Captain America film. It’s the Fantastic Four film.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  You know, it’s all of those ones Pre Marvel Universe. Mashed together. And you’re like, what is this strain? ******* place, but we don’t. Here, we’re in a different, strange place this time. We’re in much more budget, some bigger names and some.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Finally, they sort of kind of got people who give a ****. Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  About doing something fun.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  And that’s nice. Surprising what you’re going to accomplish when you put in some time and effort.  Speaker  Yeah, isn’t it?  Dion  Isn’t it’s kind of like oh.  Quinny  And when you? And when you’ve had three goes at it before and gotten it wrong three times. You kind of go. Well, **** it. We’re gonna hold off on this one because, I mean, Fantastic Four has always been seen as Marvel’s first family. Like, you know, they’re they’re one of the very earliest Marvel superhero groups. And you know, we’re what, 40, you know, 39 films in now something.  Speaker 5  Sure.  Dion  More, I don’t know 112 where 112 films in now. That’s how many there are. I I won’t be fact checked.  Quinny  And we’ve, yeah, and now we’ve just introduced the very first Fantastic Four stuff. So yeah, it’s it’s an interesting one. I mean, obviously they were tied up in rights for. A long time.  Dion  But yeah, I mean. Look, it’s fine. We’re just going to ignore the rest of those fan 4 test. Stick, whatever it is.  Quinny  Can’t ignore them.  Dion  We have to stick, then forget stick. That’s what I. Yeah, we’re gonna ignore that.  Quinny  Not. The autistic fans.  Dion  We’re going to, we’re going to ignore that. Michael B Jordan, he’s also Johnny Storm. Yes, I know, right. No, he’s not Killmonger. He’s definitely Johnny storm. We’re also going to ignore that Captain America.  Quinny  Ohh yeah yeah, he was one of them.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Was also Johnny Storm and Captain America.  Dion  Was also. Stone. Yeah. Yes, exactly. We’re going to ignore all of those things and focus very.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Much in Comic Daddy and his family and Pedro Pascal’s not not happy just being space Daddy, Apocalypse Daddy and General General Daddy.  Jill  Yeah. Thanks, daddy.  Dion  Now he’s also comic Daddy.  Quinny  Hmm.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, along with.  Quinny  Is there anything he can’t, daddy?  Dion  You know what? Hollywood will not let him. Not daddy something. He’s in there now forever. Like. Yeah, he will just. He will just keep doing it until everyone collectively gets sick of him. And I’ll be able to return to an anonymity.  Quinny  Hmm. I just realized it is the summer of Pedro, it’s.  Jill  Summer picture.  Dion  Yeah.  Speaker  Been just realized.  Dion  Multiple summers.  Quinny  It was another ******* attempted Fantastic Four.  Dion  Oh. Have you? Yes, grey tailed.  Quinny  Well, technically. There was another Reed Richards. Ohh John Krasinski but that.  Jill  Yes. Yeah, that’s right.  Dion  That’s in Multiverse of Madness, which is so the. But that’s not the Fantastic Four.  Quinny  Yes, from. Marvel Universe. He’s one of the breeds.  Jill  He was. He’s Mr. fantastic.  Dion  Is he though?  Jill  Yes.  Quinny  He’s Mr. spaghetti by the end of. It but anyway.  Dion  Yeah, like I mean, yeah, that’s just on film, but it it, it wasn’t the Fantastic Four and this is what we want to focus on. It’s about these group of people and. How they’re represented in cinema? Yeah. What you’re not.  Jill  Capturing in the audio is our eye rolls.  Quinny  Massive massive eye roll.  Dion  Come on.  Quinny  Beyond wiping away John Krasinski from the from the entire multiverse of of anything, and we’re all going. No, no, no.  Jill  Yeah, that’s because they don’t. Can’t do a convincing cosplay of John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic. You can only do the Pedro.  Dion  No, I cannot.  Jill  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and if you squint, the Ian Crawford one.  Speaker 6  You’re clean shaven for that one.  Quinny  I’ve just had an eye. Yeah, my eyes are not that ******* blind.  Dion  OK, then fine. I’ll go with this one if this. If he’s part of the Fantastic Four Canon, you need to cast the other three members of the Fantastic Four in those universes. Who is it going?  Jill  That’s true. OK. Oh my God. Yeah. Can we come back to this at the?  Dion  No immediate. OK. We’ll give you time. Time. Yeah, time.  Jill  End of the show. We’ll be here for 15.  Dion  Minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So if if if John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic and chat go and throw some something we.  Quinny  Man. Need to sleep? Yeah.  Speaker 6  ******* Emily Blunt. I would go. Emily Blunt force.  Jill  Storm.  Quinny  **** yeah. Yep, Yep. You down to?  Dion  That yeah, Karina, just like gonna get to the. Synopsis yet guys.  Speaker  Yeah.  Peta  You know, keep getting pushed.  Speaker  Push.  Speaker 6  Push by the chat. Let’s go.  Speaker 2  Yeah, that’s a wow.  Quinny  I’m being bullied by the test.  Peta  This film about.  Quinny  What is this film about it? No, I’m not gonna. I’m not gonna do the synopsis now because I’ve been told. I have to.  Jill  No. Ohh yes.  Speaker 6  Jesus.  Dion  Christ.  Jill  That sounds like me energy.  Dion  Peta  Settling into that demand avoidance there.  Dion  Come on. Tony, have you got? Have you got some synopsis?  Peta  Yeah.  Quinny  For us it is. I have got a. Synopsis for everyone but Karina.  Peta  To be fair to Karina, it’s been 20 minutes.  Jill  Can you do it in a Brooklyn accent? OK.  Speaker 3  Forced ohh. Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must defend Earth from a ravenous space God called Galactus and his enigmatic herald the Silver Surfer. And guess what? It’s clubber and die this.  Quinny  Ohh, cool, that’s it. That’s the whole book. Was an opposite. Trust me, there was an even shorter one.  Speaker  Is that it?  Speaker 6  Yeah. Wow.  Dion  I love sofas, yeah.  Speaker 6  Silvers, soyfer yeah, soyfer.  Dion  Some some more continents and vowels in there that I remember from.  Speaker 3  Hey, I’m going down the street and I’m going to start some some flights. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, that’s about it.  Quinny  Hey, get that man some cookies. Thank you. I.  Dion  Would love some cookies. That’s kind of what the movie is about and I’m, I’m I’m with it like this isn’t one of those films that you went and saw and you’re like, oh, great, we get to have an origin story of how did they get their powers, how did. They do this like how do we go through that? They were like, no, you know what?  Quinny  Ohh thank God.  Jill  Yes, we just got a tidy. Little vignette, and that’s all we needed.  Dion  Yep. Quite a long vignette really explaining like how they fit into the world and how suddenly the the brokers of World Peace and everyone looks up to them and they’re the world’s family.  Quinny  Yep.  Jill  Yeah, I kind of love it.  Dion  I mean, OK.  Jill  They’re. They’re paragons.  Quinny  Yeah. And we, the the important thing to note is that we’re in a different world here we are in. We’re not in the regular Marvel Universe. We are in a weird kind of quasi 60s future pop, yeah, different reality.  Speaker  Mm-hmm.  Speaker 3  It’s.  Dion  It’s 60s futurism, so it’s just it’s there’s a divergent.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  From our history to where it has ended up in this Earth history, and I’m I dig it, I dig the style, imagine in the 60s if four people got shot into space and came back and had all these powers and solved a bunch of problems.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  And a bunch of other things happen. That’s how that kind of goes. It’s like, yeah, well, you know.  Quinny  Yeah. And the difference.  Speaker  I mean.  Quinny  Not actually stated what year this is, is it?  Dion  No, no, it’s just the different earth.  Quinny  Yeah, right.  Dion  And what that is. But people don’t have.  Jill  Yeah, it could be current day 2. 616 Earth we don’t.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  Know that’s just what this earth.  Dion  Yeah. Looks like there’s big. There’s big kind of LED screens, but no cell phones.  Speaker  Slide.  Peta  Yep, well, it’s kind of like they’ve kind of gone. We don’t need to put energy into making TV screens flat. We’ll just have giant non flat TV screens and faster than light space travel. Yeah, yes. But we’re gonna do with that extra energy.  Dion  There’s there’s like.  Quinny  No.  Dion  You know. Yeah.  Peta  We don’t need to put energy into like inventing MP threes. We’ll just keep records. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And teleporting.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Peta  Think of what we could have done as humanity.  Quinny  I didn’t know.  Dion  Exactly all of our computerisation goes on tape.  Jill  Yeah, I mean. Yeah, we invented cassettes and then CD’s and then digital format music. And now we’re back to ******* records again.  Quinny  So yeah, but they just didn’t bother leaving the the records. Yeah, because they realized it was the the superior format from the start, especially if you print them in.  Dion  Yes. Gold. And if you haven’t got a troop of players in your lounge room. You know, yeah. Eventually we’ll get to there, won’t we, like? Oh, this is my 9 musicians that follow me around and. Play music to me.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. I mean, yeah. Karina and Casper both kind of make the point. It’s very jetsons.  Dion  Yeah. And that’s kind of great because that’s very familiar to the people who knew fantastic for for when they were growing up based on the cartoon, which is the the sort of.  Peta  So jetsons.  Dion  The carry over of where people would sit from the Saturday morning kind of cartoon and. You know it it it sets the tone that everyone could easily get into and I went, I’m here. I immediately know what’s going on. It has a different Marvel logo, it has a different kind of a soundtrack. It’s setting itself in a in a particular period and I was like, I’ll go with this. This is totally different to every ******* thing else. This isn’t a dark and gritty reboot. This isn’t. Anything really to do with the rest of the Marvel Universe? Yeah, kinda. Which makes me happy. And I was like, I’ll go with this. I’m immediately just going to be like, all right, what do you got?  Jill  Yeah. I think the thing that’s so immersive about it is the visual language that they’ve lent into so strongly and so thoroughly like the the set design and production. All the set pieces, the costumes, everything like that was like. Beautiful, like there was such attention to detail and there was not like a wasted moment on screen. It was so interesting that we’re talking about like, how like futuristic retro it is but. Like the. Costuming wasn’t futuristic. That was still like grounded in 60s fashion.  Speaker  Hmm yeah.  Dion  I had a really good time just watching the sets and the costumes. I was like they have actually paid a lot of detail to the costuming, not only of the signature folk, but the people around them too. Looked sharp as ****, I gotta say.  Quinny  And.  Jill  Yeah, like the the space suits and their hero suits were were still like. Grounded within like that 60s, like retro futuristic style, but had like the the strong 60s fashion elements as well in terms of like the textures of the fabrics and things that they used but the the colour theory throughout was fantastic and yeah just the the visual language that they. Used in this film was just so Cohen.  Peta  It’s a joy for. The arts, hmm.  Dion  Joy for the eyes until we get to the failure of the film.  Quinny  Wow. Jesus. OK, so, so just a reminder folks, the deal also sat through Superman and huffed.  Speaker  Go further on.  Dion  I did. I did half. He did half I wanna also. Caveat that I did see Fantastic Four, but beforehand I had.  Speaker 6  So.  Dion  To watch. Beforehand I had to win. The Avatar trailer 17 times. I don’t. I don’t know how to explain that in terms of everything else, but I had to sit through the Avatar trailer. Too many ******* times, and that may have influenced my decision. And how I enjoyed that film slightly too many times.  Jill  Anyway, yeah, it’s almost like they strapped you to that chair and made you watch them 17 times.  Dion  They kind of did. Yeah. You know, because you know, as we all know, in those kind of cinema things, the seats are gold. And if you leave one, you’re done. It’s going coming back but anyway.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  OK, enough of that. Fantastic for what? What are your first four impressions?  Quinny  I just wanna know why you’re getting ready to throw it.  Speaker 2  Hello.  Quinny  Under the bus. To you ohh.  Speaker 2  No, no.  Quinny  Like there have been a couple of times that you’ve already kind of started. Coming out of. Swinging. I wanna know why the big.  Speaker  There is.  Dion  Rubber punches out. Well, first, I mean, we all hate John Krasinski. And. No, I’m just joking. That’s. Three just threw that out there for.  Peta  Come on for John Krasinski. And he’s not like.  Jill  He can’t even defend himself.  Quinny  He’s such a nice guy. Everybody talking.  Dion  About, I’m talking about how effusively I love the costuming, the design, the aesthetic, the way that it just kind of moves the story along really, really quickly. It throws in some amazing nods and references to the historical stuff, like there’s covers of famous Fantastic Four issues thrown in very quickly. I know you’ve got.  Quinny  Oh my God, that made me so happy.  Dion  Classic villains like Mole Man and the Red Ghost. Yeah. Ish red. Red ghost off.  Speaker 3  Well, sort of.  Dion  Like all of that stuff is kind of great. Herbie is amazing. The fantastic car, which I think often gets ignored. Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Uh-huh.  Dion  In, in a lot of, this is part of the fun about the Fantastic Four is all of the bits and pieces that Reed comes up with. That’s all kind of themed Herbie, as I said. Yeah. And he was.  Quinny  Great. OK. Does everybody know the history of why Herbie exists?  Jill  No.  Quinny  OK, this is my my favorite stupid piece of ******* history. So in the 60s, when the Fantastic Four was being turned into a cartoon, they went OK we’re going to do the Fantastic Four and the standards people of America went hang on. One of the characters is on fire.  Speaker  Tell.  Quinny  We can’t have a children’s TV show where the children want to emulate the heroes and have a character be on fire. Why not so? In the 60s cartoon of Fantastic Four. Johnny Storm is removed entirely and is replaced by Herbie. This is where Herbie came from. Wow.  Speaker  Oh. Yeah.  Quinny  So the fact that, like the fact that he’s in the movie is ******* hilarious. But his history is even better.  Jill  That’s wild.  Quinny  And I’m pretty sure he actually talked in the animated series, but yeah, and didn’t just make bleeps and.  Speaker 6  Wheels. I like the Droid vibe it was.  Dion  Didn’t. Yeah, it didn’t sound like. Yeah, it didn’t sound like a 60s frickin B.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  I just. I just remembered something. Thing when we get this Sue storm into the proper Marvel Universe, she’s going to have to come up against Namor, yes.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  And and that’s a lot of that’s a that’s a whole. Jean Grey, Wolverine, Cyclops thing going to happen right there anyway. That’s right.  Jill  That’s something we can work on.  Dion  Later. Yeah, there’s a lot of smart in that one anyway, yeah.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  And apparently on on the set all the time, Vanessa Kirby is like, So what? What’s going on with Namal? Pedro’s like, for ***** sake, right?  Dion  Here she knows what’s going on. She gets all the cast members.  Quinny  Mm-hmm.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Look, I. Had a great time with it, like, you know, really good introductions to quick introductions to characters. Everyone got a little bit of ability to show who they were as characters very rapidly. Like, you didn’t have to pay to. Much there, but I also really appreciated how much they felt like a family and they felt caring and it was showing them in a particular way, which it wasn’t like, oh, these are conflicted people. They don’t know how to, you know, where’s the drama? I mean, the drama isn’t in the family. The drama is external forces. And I think they got that really well because there was a really cool vibe to sort of be like ohh this is, this is cool kind of family like like I I would take children to watch it and be like see, this is how you’re nice to each other. You don’t have to hit each other. You know.  Quinny  Don’t set each other on fire.  Dion  Don’t set each other on fire. Try stop working so hard.  Quinny  Pete Jew talk to me.  Jill  Oh my God. Ohh feels like so long ago but it was only Friday.  Dion  Four days ago that you saw it.  Jill  Ohh my goodness, I really liked the film. I had a good time. I saw it well. I mean, all the things that I said about the costume and set design and all that stuff was just fabulous. I thought like the story pacing was good. Like they they got to the point and they, you know they executed ABC. You know, here’s what’s happening. Here’s our problem. And here’s how we overcome. It, like they did that. UM. I thought the action bats were good. But again, I’m just not getting my **** blown off. Guys. The jet film. We’re back to the **** rating scale. OK0 **** means it was ******* amazing because they blew them both off, but two **** is bad because it doesn’t mean that I didn’t like the movie.  Quinny  Back to. Rating system.  Jill  It just didn’t **** **. Way and it made me start to think that there was something wrong with me. Like am I not finding enjoyment out of these movies anymore? Like is it becoming passe? Is it like over saturation? Like what’s the issue? I think what the issue is is that too many movies. Are just safe. They’re in a safe zone. They do what they do on the box and they do no more than that.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  I’m not getting any like thrill, danger, excitement from these movies anymore. It feels really middle of the road and pedestrian and that’s not to say that Fantastic Four was a bad movie. It was a good movie because it did its job, but it didn’t go above and beyond. And become an exceptional film. And I just, I feel that way about Superman as well. That was not exceptional to me, and it just kind of feels like every time we go and see a big blockbuster, I come out like feeling it was it was middling level.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  I agree, but I want to keep Pete’s. Take on it? Sure.  Peta  I think it’s very well constructed, beautifully made. Film, I mean, we’ve talked about the production design and the look of it already, which is great. You know, we’ve talked about the the structure which is logical and probably better constructed than Superman. And and I do think it’s funny that I’ve kind of liked the exposition. Free tool here that I hated so much and electric state, same tool, different vibe. It’s it’s easy to get into and you want it to be because there are some plot points that that, that require a very high level of suspension of disbelief. Even for a comic book movie, you know, usually I I I I try to give the the Budweiser and the ********* like. A bit of a break in in certain genres, but I struggled a bit with a couple of the plot points that very much drove some parts of the story. Because it was a bit wibbly wobbly. Sciency want see? Yes. Yeah, like, don’t.  Jill  Get into the proton stream, but get into the proton stream, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, you’re Superman.  Peta  That was and, and I think the issue is I I I get I I have a tendency to get a little bit distracted if I can’t. If that suspension of disbelief gets interrupted, and I think that these particular plot points were distracting enough that even though I was enjoying the film, I still. Got kind of. Kicked out of this story a. Little bit by thinking? Yeah, but Nah.  Quinny  Are these things that need to be talked about in spoilery territory or?  Peta  Ohh, everything needs to be talked about in spoiler territory. It’s it’s just and if they weren’t plotted drivers.  Dion  OK, alright, fair enough.  Peta  It would have felt a little bit different as well, but it it did kind of feel like as well constructed and entertaining and beautiful as the film is. I kind of agree with Jill that you kind of I didn’t personally come out of the end of it going like. **** yeah. Amazing superhero film. It was just kind of like, ohh, that was like really well constructed and good looking and entertaining. And yeah, Pedro.  Quinny  I I have, I agree very much with with everything you guys have said. My biggest problem with it is that. The movie didn’t have its next gear up like all the way through it puddled along at an enjoyable kind of pace. It was doing what was needed, you know, things were kind of getting, you know, you had your action beats and stuff like that. But then when you get to your climax. It doesn’t have the next gear, it can’t shift it back a cog. And really. Go ****. Let’s go. It didn’t have that it, you know, the the climax I kind of was like and oh, OK, right. We’re done. ****. OK. Huh. And that’s. Kind of implementing of the whole film that it’s really well made as as we’ve all said, well made, well shot, lovely costumes, lovely everything.  Jill  Great performances, everybody was on their a game.  Quinny  But nothing that made me go ****. That was a moment. Like, you know, there was nothing. There was no moment like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  The thors hammer. With that, America, there was no kind of really emotional beat of.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Vision saying you know that love is just pain. You know, whatever. I can’t even remember the quote. But you know those those those really like deep seated moments that make you go ohh. That got me right in the heart.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Which Thunderbolts did for me, and that, you know, I. I guess if if if you’re going to hold it up against superhero films we’ve seen this year from a.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Is it a good movie?  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Mm-hmm. You know, well-rounded perspective, I would still put Thunderbolts ahead of this, regardless of how beautifully. Thought out the world was.  Quinny  Yeah, like there, there were lovely moments and their lovely ideas. I love the idea of the whole world pulling together to go **** we’ve got. Eight months to build something or, you know, and we’re all going to pull in this together and we’re all going to come together over something. It’s a great concept, but it just never felt like it had those that, that personal danger of what we saw in Thunderbolt and. A lot of people who are doing the, which one did you like more, Superman or or fantastic? 4. I personally thought the Superman took more risks. You know, it was weirder. It was.  Peta  Well, it was more. It was more current in in its messaging and the. The risks that it. Was taking in that messaging as well, and I think also you kind of.  Dion  Hmm.  Peta  This is a bit of an imbalance, I suppose in the rate that one escalates because you can kind of attempt to escalate the stakes to the highest possible point and the escalate them so high that the audience cannot believe. That. That jeopardy is going to come to pass in that context, which actually, which actually kind of destroys that moment, is kind of gotta be like a believable, worst case scenario that they’re facing. Not like, well, of course, they’re trying to find a way to avert that. There’s gonna be a little part of you that’s like.  Quinny  Hmm.  Peta  Ohh, they might fail, which I kind.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  Of felt in this.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like.  Peta  Otherwise, you don’t feel the jeopardy, you know, the way that you should.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yeah, and and I don’t know, I feel like something like Superman has has more of a an alter kind of vision behind it. Like, you know, that felt like James Gunn saying something and his whole thing about found family and his whole thing about being outsiders and, you know, he. He has a particular thumbprint that is all over that. This one I couldn’t tell you. A thumbprint it was.  Peta  Which is funny because it is tonally and structurally much more consistent.  Quinny  Absolutely.  Jill  Yeah, it’s a. Package. Yeah, it has an aesthetic and it, you know, executes that, but yeah.  Quinny  Yeah. And and like.  Jill  There’s there’s special sauce.  Quinny  Yeah. And and I don’t. Know what it is because. I was wanting to get excited. I was super wanting to get excited and it just never quite hit me. And even when big things happened, I was like.  Jill  Karina made a good point that she thought we were going to see them fail. Based on what we saw in the post credit scene of Thunderbolts and I want to make a point where I kind of wish that that scene never existed because it coloured my expectations.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  This film I was going in.  Quinny  Yes, I’m.  Peta  I forget what that scene.  Jill  Was ohh that’s actually it was it was there. There was like ohh we can. We’re picking up something on our radar and then they zoom into space and they see the Fantastic Four ships flying through space and that bit. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a different expectation of what I was expecting in this film. And so I’m like.  Speaker 6  It’s just.  Dion  Just a a rocket ship in the sky. Kind of, or if it is, we don’t know.  Jill  Just on the edge of my seat the whole time, thinking. Well, how are they gonna get to our earth? When are we gonna see that? When are we gonna see that? And. And I’m like, so I wasn’t in the moment with everything else that was happening because I was anticipating something else to.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe that’s that, that other cog that.  Speaker  Happen.  Quinny  I was expecting. Maybe that’s the the the next thing up is that you know, they do like, fail or they do something that that then took it to a different level.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  That causes them to and then this is how we get to this moment. But like now that we’re not going to have The Avengers doomsday film until another 18 months.  Quinny  Jill  I’m like, wow, how are they going to get our butts in the seats for that one?  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Because after watching this movie, I’m like. Ah, I don’t really know where we’re going.  Quinny  Neller.  Peta  At the end, do you feel safe now with your opinion to share?  Dion  I mean, my opinion is based on Fantastic Four and how I enjoyed this movie or didn’t.  Quinny  Which is a really difficult thing to do to to take the movie entirely on its own. Yeah, been its own value and.  Speaker 2  What?  Quinny  So aside from my expectation, aside from the other movie I watched a week and a half before, yeah, aside from.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  All of that, yeah.  Dion  Look there. This is the thing. Like I I really like to to throw this through. I really enjoyed Thunderbolts because it broke expectations that I had. I was there for it to say, what are you gonna do with this? And I was. Like wow, that is a great movie. I had certain expectations about Superman or I was wondering what was going to go, and I felt it wasn’t as good as I thought. It’s going. And I went to Fantastic Four. Saying how is this going to go? And I thought, yeah, I had a little bit of the same thing the the ending. Thing towards the end and some of the reasoning and stuff I was a bit like oh, this doesn’t make sense and I don’t understand where it does or doesn’t fit and I feel like they’re going to have to for some reason do another one in that universe for some reason. And I’m just a bit confused. I feel like it just kind of didn’t. You’re right, had that. Where’s that gear? Where’s the gear? Range. Where does it go up? Where do the stakes get bigger? Where does it become really important? But really I liked it because it. Was you can see across the entire movie from start to finish. It was a love letter to the time of the original Fantastic Four. Like all of the Kirby, all of the weird stories are just written into it. So it is made with a lot of reverence and a lot of love. And I really liked that because there was good messaging that was in there.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  The execution or some of the reasoning is just I don’t know how this fits. In the rest, like I love that it’s an outsider film, but I also don’t then. But what’s are we are we going to follow these people? Is that the point or is it just having a second one? Like I don’t. Know like it’s another Fantastic Four is like.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Will we see him?  Jill  Yeah. Are we making this movie just to make a sequel? Just so we can make? Money.  Quinny  Yeah. Well, or are we making this one just because we needed to have a really good bad guy for the MCU. We’ve already announced who that bad guy. So we really had to have this film before doomsday could happen.  Jill  Yeah. There’s a lot of very upset people in. Our screening at the end of this movie.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, there was.  Dion  Yeah, Speaking of bad guys, how do we feel about the villain aspects of this one?  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  I was curious to how I would ever see Galactus executed on film, and I think it. Up to a point, it was well done.  Dion  Is it? Is it better than the giant cloud?  Speaker 6  Ohh yeah, we don’t need.  Dion  So the.  Jill  Some amorphous cloud like I want to see an actual Galactus and like how?  Dion  So.  Jill  Do you do? That I mean, especially after we had the Eternals where, you know, we have things God like beings in space, it’s like, OK, well now how do we make a Galactus?  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  That was really cool, but then there was a moment where I thought it was. Not cool. Maybe I’ll talk about that in sport.  Dion  How? How did you feel about Charlotte Owl?  Jill  I thought it was sick. I’m like, yeah, let’s go back to the original Silver Surfer. Yeah. People will be surprised to know the original Silver Surfer was not a dude.  Quinny  I I knew that Michelle label was an alternate, but I didn’t realize that. Jill  I think the original Silver Surfer was a woman, and then it was her lover that begged Galactus to trade places with her.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Entry.  Dion  Interesting, yeah.  Jill  And disappointed we didn’t get the what if Aunt May was the Herald for Galactus and we didn’t get the golden oldie.  Dion  What are you talking about? Marisa? To me, isn’t that old?  Quinny  I I think.  Speaker 3  No.  Quinny  I think there were there were sequences in there watching the the Silver Surfer surfing through.  Speaker  Ohh.  Quinny  Like Kirby Crackle, ******* cosmic power surfing through black holes where I was like, **** yeah, this is cool. You know, surfing around curving laser beams and ****. I was like.  Dion  Well, grab. Yeah.  Speaker 3  Yes.  Dion  ******* hell yeah, that’s that’s the weird success stuff. That was the bitter.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Was like, oh, this is great. Like, how do you put the Silver Surfer in? Why does it doesn’t even make sense. And it’s like, yeah, it does. If you lean into that. Crazy kind of 60s vibe that it originally was about. It’s like, yeah, I’m just gonna surf, like, through cosmic waves, man, it’s. Like. Cool. That’s fun. Yeah, it helps if you take LSD.  Quinny  Hmm.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  Like there was something so ******* cool with all of that visual stuff. Yeah, that up until now, we’ve never really gotten because the only other time we’re seeing the Silver Surfer, he was on Earth, so it didn’t have that real cosmic kind of.  Dion  Maybe. He was the T1000 man.  Jill  Thing, yeah.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  He just kind. Of morphed around as needed for the plot.  Quinny  Your thoughts on on the Silver Surfer?  Peta  Neutral. Cool. I I don’t have a lot of feelings about the Silver Surfer as a character, but I thought she was. I thought it it was cool execution.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Hmm. Yeah, look cool. And I like the the human eyes too. I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, cause you I feel like you still need something to latch onto for a motion, yeah.  Speaker  Mm-hmm.  Quinny  I thought that was smart.  Speaker  And. Look, there’s look.  Dion  There’s lots of fun stuff in there. Standouts for me. I I I need to say I really annoyed that they didn’t rename it the fantastic six because to be honest, there are 6 characters in this movie. By the end of it, you’re watching it like there’s not just four, there’s more. Who you’re following through with, which was a bit of a surprise because I was like, OK, right. You’re just going to lean very heavily into the entire thing. Sure. I really. Kirby, I love that they went into galactic space because that’s kind of that’s that kind of that’s really fun. Like Reed Richards is that kind of character who, you know, is your prototypical 50s, you know, American Americanized painting, you know, of, like, it’s a pipe and slippers and, you know. Dad’s home.  Jill  Yeah. The Norman Rockwell. Yes. Please looking forward.  Dion  Yeah, absolutely. 100% The Rockwell and it it. But presented in that very conservative way, but he’s not a conservative. Like you know, it’s kind of like I’m just going to learn how to fold matter and bend this, and then we’re going to space. All right, everyone, safety third. Let’s go. That’s kind of Reed riches. Like he built a thing called the Ultimate Nullifier. And it kills anything in the known Marvel Universe. And then he’s just like ohh someone.  Quinny  He’s.  Dion  Like.  Speaker  Like.  Dion  ******** Reed, you know like.  Quinny  One thing you you said to me afterwards too.  Jill  Yeah, I mean. He just casually solved teleportation in this.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  Film or whatever.  Quinny  Whatever. Whatever one thing you said to me too, and I agreed like they’ve always struggled to get Reed Richards powers looking good on screen. Like it’s very hard to do stretchy guy without it looking dumb, but one of the things that is kind of sad is that in the.  Dion  Yes.  Quinny  The comics and everything. Quite often you’ll see him, and that stretchiness of his body is a. Is. A all about echoing who he’s mentally. Yeah. So his arms are over here. You know, riding on the blackboard and his other arms over here, smoking a pipe and his head is, you know, stretched out over here, looking at the, you know, out the window or something like that. And there wasn’t much of that. It was very much like, this is traditionally handsome Pedro.  Peta  Yeah.  Jill  It’s it’s tiny. Yeah, it’s a tiny bit like he was doing. A little bit of the blackboard. Stuff and the catching things, but.  Speaker 6  Yeah, I don’t.  Jill  I don’t think we really got to see him actually use his powers much in the film as a whole.  Quinny  Nope. Nope.  Dion  It’s very, very expensive to animate Pedro Pascal.  Peta  It’s it’s a dump power.  Speaker 3  Pete. Pete, in there, it’s true.  Jill  I mean, it might be a time you. Would change your mind.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 3  Blubbering time, no.  Quinny  Should we rate it because we are, we’re going on a.  Peta  Yes, yes.  Quinny  Long time. Ohh good.  Jill  Oh my goodness. I don’t know. I’m gonna pick a number.  Dion  How many tips off Jim?  Speaker 6  Yeah, the tip scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Jill  Yeah. The two tip film, but.  Quinny  I mean, I’m gonna. I will change the rating system if I have to, but it’s gonna really.  Dion  I had some I had some issues with it, but I did enjoy. I had a fun time. I’m gonna give it a 75. No 70. I’m gonna go 70. Sorry. I’m. I’m back down a little bit mainly because I really loved.  Quinny  On the website.  Dion  The scenic I love the the the characters together. They didn’t quite mesh as much and I felt like some of them were lost like I think Ben Grimm’s the thing.  Speaker 6  Hmm.  Dion  Totally kind of lost in the hole as much to do. No, I I didn’t get enough of that thing because one of the most important things I know about Ben Grimace, he’s the real heart of the team. And while that was great, like I loved, you know, uncles, you’ve got uncles going on there. I loved it. You know, Johnny and and Ben are totally down for, you know, being uncles. I just thought he got a little bit lost and I have big issues with some of the purple headed warrior of the lactose, which I’ll talk about in spoilers, but yeah, overall fun time. Not a long time.  Quinny  Fair enough, Pete. Number.  Peta  I’m going to say I’m going to say I’m going to say 76 because I do think that it was. Really well put together but. The the I mean I’ll have some stuff to say when we spoil some things. Yeah, I’ll try to keep it brief. Actually, there was one point I think I said to you guys that I’d nearly walked out of there with more tips. Than I started with.  Quinny  I’m still wanting to know how that works.  Peta  Luckily, luckily I I didn’t have to go full rage out on it.  Quinny  So I’m very impressed.  Peta  Umm. But yeah, it’s just those kinds of like those those plot points that that just didn’t quite work for me were just a little bit kind of too conveniently driving the plot. And I didn’t quite buy even in the world of the story, that really kind of helped me back from from. Losing any tips at all?  Quinny  So so number of tips is 2. Hmm but. Peta  Ohh, also the young Kelly’s Uncanny Valley baby was distressed.  Quinny  Though apparently that they had a live baby on set 99% of the time.  Peta  In some shots, I was gonna say you, but you can tell the. Shots that aren’t, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Babies don’t look like babies on screen. You gotta pay. They yeah.  Peta  I mean, either it was a fully uncanny valley baby or they were doing something to kind of make the baby look like it was looking, but there was something. Yeah. And whenever whenever Ben Grimm’s holding the baby, it’s like. That ain’t no real.  Jill  Baby, what number did you give it, Pete, 7676.  Dion  Yeah, we all know.  Quinny  And Dion, still at 70, isn’t.  Dion  He. Yes, I’m still there.  Quinny  Yeah, Dan, how many tips have you got left by?  Dion  The way? Yeah, just one tip.  Quinny  Wanted.  Jill  Only go off 1.  Dion  I only want it. Yeah, I mean, well. I mean, I don’t know. It’s moved. Maybe the **** moved like it. It’s not in the same place it started out, but it hasn’t gone completely off. It’s around the side visiting the armpit.  Jill  You can’t. But I gave Superman.  Quinny  I can probably look it up if you want.  Jill  Yeah.  Peta  See, I just kind of take it on a mood basis. It’s on a day by day basis.  Dion  Briefly.  Quinny  Hmm.  Dion  Phil was right. I mean, I think. One of the telling things long rated.  Peta  Never compare my ratings for one movie to another movie.  Quinny  Superman 65.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  While while Jill is thinking, I mean it’s fair enough. Remember, she only saw it like 4 days ago and it feels like.  Jill  OK, here’s the weird thing though. Like after I watched Superman, I kind of wanted to see it again, but I don’t know if that was to try and enjoy it more or like to get the things that I didn’t really get about it. But this one I’m not really like in a rush to go back. To the movie for it.  Quinny  Hmm.  Jill  But. I did like it more than Superman. Then. I think I’m going to give it. 69.  Speaker 3  Nice.  Dion  Nice.  Jill  It was just a nice movie.  Quinny  Yeah, 69 and still 2 tips.  Peta  Yeah.  Dion  Quinny, what have you.  Quinny  Yeah. Got. I’m very similar to you know, I’m I’m probably I’m probably more in line with the pizza like. Yeah, 70. I’m going to go 77. I don’t know why. Yeah. Actually.  Peta  Just feels like a 77.  Speaker  Vibe.  Quinny  Like I I was a bit more warm on Superman whereas this. Like it’s it’s a perfectly fun, pleasant film. Like there’s nothing wrong with it, but it also just to me, felt like it. Was. Didn’t have much, particularly to say. Other than you know, wouldn’t it be nice if we could all work together and yeah. But also, maybe that’s what we needed at the moment is something that wasn’t too dangerous or whatever and. I don’t know. Yeah, it’s it’s 77 for me, but I just find it so.  Dion  Weird. We’ve, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve focused a lot on the non spoilery side and we’re running rapidly running out of time. So let’s go to the dinner clip to find out why they’re all such a nice blending together, then come back and see how much we. Can jam pack into spoil it section?  Peta  Leave if you haven’t seen it, because I’m going to spoil the very, very, very end of the film.  Speaker  Dion  Pete is thrown down. Here you go, alright?  Speaker 5  What are you doing? You mean what am? I. Doing and then you’re gonna ruin your appetite. I’m hungry, but never late for Sunday dinner. Should we wait?  Speaker  I guess you’re late. What I what do you?  Speaker 5  Mean. What do you mean? What do I mean?  Speaker  You’re late for dinner. Ohh yes we are. We’re late for. By single minute.  Speaker 5  Dinner. Yes, we were just just had to.  Speaker  Some aloe iodine on my shoulder. We got. Do his shoulder and.  Speaker 5  Why is that breakfast cereal in the dinner table? Why are you being?  Speaker  Weird. Not not being. Acting. Weird. Well, I’m doing that weird thing with your face, so. Oh, we don’t know what you’re talking about.  Speaker 5  Are you pregnant?  Speaker  Jimmy at the pregnant.  Speaker 5  Yes, yes.  Speaker  You know, I know he just cannot.  Speaker 1  That have you looked at your husband’s face?  Speaker  Keep his secret.  Speaker 5  What, really, yeah.  Speaker 2  What you are going to be the best mom? Oh, my God.  Speaker  And you are going. To be the best dad. Just kidding. You are out of your depth, but we. We’re going to be the best uncles ever. OK, we should eat.  Dion  Oh, there you go. Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing that we loved about the film. It’s really nice. Spoiler logos up, Pete. Destroy away. Oh, wait. Sorry. She has been there at the beginning. She will be there at the end. We here. Peter.  Quinny  ETA.  Peta  It’s not even my biggest complaint. It’s just that there was a moment at the end where I was like, I am going to have to have another full on rant about killing off female characters via self sacrifice and doing it to two female characters in one scene. UM.  Quinny  Thank God.  Peta  They recovered. They did recover. They recovered from it a bit and it didn’t really feel like it wasn’t going to recover. But for a moment there I was like, oh, oh, we are going to throw down.  Jill  I don’t believe you didn’t realise the magic baby was gonna save the day.  Speaker 3  Sacrifice.  Peta  I did. It did, but there was a part of me that was kind of like you better ******* not.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, there was a little bit of that was it? It’s like, don’t you ******* dare? Jesus Christ, he’s not a. Defibrillator. He’s a baby.  Jill  I mean, you don’t have a. Magic mcguffin. The whole time and then not? Yeah.  Speaker 3  Yeah.  Dion  True, although, but as as we all.  Peta  My biggest my my bigger complaints.  Dion  Know Franklin Richards. The monster.  Peta  My bigger complaints were were the iffy plot points like I’m like, correct me. I’m not a linguist, but I’m pretty sure you cannot translate an entire language with three words like I don’t. I don’t know that that’s possible. The Rosetta Stone had more than than than 3 words.  Speaker 3  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Now.  Peta  I I don’t see how I don’t see how.  Dion  Important to understand that this is in the Universe 8 to 8 where things can exist a little differently and they are not this bog standard and it was one of those.  Peta  Oh.  Speaker 6  But it’s it’s.  Jill  Things are like super.  Peta  It’s not the kind of plot point that you can explain away in your brain with that kind of reasoning like it’s not, but.  Dion  It has to be because that’s why I was. I was ******** about it and I yelled at Quinney until it came up to the thing. It’s like, but it’s not the real Galactus. And I’m like. Oh yeah, **** everything in this movie is not the real one from our universe. What? I’m getting angry at can easily be retconned by an executive who doesn’t like the feedback form.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.  Jill  But this is also a universe where Reed is a super genius that can solve teleportation and like, move a planet. That’s.  Speaker  Hmm.  Peta  It just like the jump between ohh, I’ve managed to do it to an egg.  Jill  Come on.  Peta  Let’s do it to a planet. Nothing will go wrong. I actually, I almost thought that, like, that’s where it was gonna get interesting. Like, that was gonna be this universe is snap moment when they, like, accidentally. Left half the people behind or something.  Quinny  That that’s what I that’s. What I was kinda hoping for like.  Jill  Yeah, there weren’t really many stakes.  Quinny  No, I ******* love the idea of them actually going *******. We’re gonna teleport the whole planet and.  Dion  And ******* it.  Quinny  Up what? Could something goes wrong like they they go to the wrong place or they find themselves in the ******* negative zone.  Jill  Like that ******* DC convergence where the two planets had to merge together.  Peta  Or and that’s the thing.  Dion  They do. How did they do faster than life travel, but. Not work out how radar. Exists stop the fact that Silver Surfer was coming to blow up all of their teleportation machines that that shaped.  Quinny  Me. She’s very fast.  Peta  And in your hand it just kind of looked like a regular size spaceship. I don’t know why they couldn’t have just muted it or something like it’s like felt like a lot of like ohh The thing is coming very slowly. This is the only thing we can think of.  Dion  That was my big ***** point that I will get my big boy britches on and have a whinge about. Galactus’s ******* world eating ship is just a giant space grinder and. And I didn’t like that because if you’re gonna go to, like the extent that they went to, which was really curvy, whole super 60s kind of thing.  Speaker  Right.  Dion  Make the spaceship ******* weird. Make it the giant machines that don’t. You don’t understand the purpose of what they do like. Have something that’s in there.  Speaker 3  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah. What happened to like the? Big straw that he just shoves in the. Planet and like sucks it up like.  Dion  Yeah, all of that. But I mean, just like have the weird like, Kirby was great for drawing like. Contraptions that you love on the contraption, and they don’t. You don’t know why or how they work, or they have like extra bits that go off and they crackle with energy that you don’t understand how it sort of goes. He didn’t care about making it look well built. He cared about making something cool and stupid. And then they put Galactus. Fair enough, looked pretty good, you know, for a big.  Quinny  I look I. Liked big man collectors. I was down.  Jill  For that, yeah. I didn’t like how his. Height fluctuated with convenience.  Peta  Say he wasn’t that big in the end. Though was he he? He looked.  Jill  The lost, yeah.  Dion  A bit of juice out the back of the tube and then he got a bit.  Quinny  Maybe.  Speaker 6  So then he went and shrunk a bit.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  OK, let’s go with that, yeah.  Jill  He’s like ohh, now he can fit in this big circle on the ground that he like, would have Godzilla crushed the moment ago.  Dion  Crush. Sure.  Peta  Confused if planet size or if Godzilla size.  Dion  Yeah. Also how would sue push if 2?  Quinny  Because her push is not based on size, it’s based on willpower.  Dion  No, but push, baby. Ohh no. OK, recover. Push, galactus. Big baby. Oh, no much.  Peta  Is is based on magic mummy power?  Quinny  Yeah, yes, yeah. Like that. That big kind of finale stuff. I was like when he started to climb back out. I was like, ohh. OK now.  Dion  No. Well.  Quinny  We’re gonna get some shoes.  Jill  Yeah, I was like. Oh ****, I jumped.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. I was like, ******* sweet. Great. OK, now we’re gonna really ******* now, now we’re gonna wrap it up, but Nope. That’s just that’s it. Cool. Everybody get home. I would love to have seen them do something real. ******* ballsy. I would have loved to have seen them lose the earth, you know? Yeah. So that that’s why this Fantastic Four, like instead of. Yeah, that’s the run like this.  Jill  On the run on the. Sleeper on.  Peta  I’m not sure that Marvel is doing its answer to the trolley problem properly.  Quinny  Why not teleport the ******* baby and the family to another end of the universe, or to a different ******* dimension or whatever?  Jill  Because they answered that in the slack with pocket holes does.  Speaker  Yeah. Yes.  Dion  I mean. I look I I I I really got that like I enjoyed the bit where they were like, no, this is it honestly. Like we we we may be the people that everyone looks up to on the Earth and that’s a bit problematic to put that much. Responsibility. On four people who were there, but at least they always did it with heart, honesty, integrity and overall admission of failure. To the world.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion

Fantastic Four: First Steps Is this, the 4th attempt at bringing the Marvel Universe's "First Family" to the big screen actually as fantastic as it purports to be? Well, we have finally settled on a look and feel that best suits the classic super hero squad: and it's '60s Retro-futurism all the way for one and all!!! It's a whole new universe of Marvel stories starring Omni-daddy Pedro Pascal, serving C&%t Vanessa Kirby, Joseph "i'm on fire!" Quinn and Ebon Moss Bacharach (or baccarat as Quinny thinks he's called) as the truly Fantastic Four! In this film we kick of Marvel's Phase 6 and usher in a new style and direction of storytelling, but is it actually good?  Listen in and find out! These fantastic four reviewers are here for this one, so it's all hands on deck as we hit this faster than light! https://youtu.be/ZkJszcpuQwQ A huge shout-out to the fantastic flexible friends and their robot helpers who join in with our moderated live-chat during the Twitch stream, each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEST. And especially to those who have decided to drop some crushed up planet juice in the tip jar. Thanks for supporting us directly via our Ko-Fi jar and now also by subscribing on Twitch! You ALL rock! If you like what we do, drop us a sub!  Every bit of your support helps us to (hopefully) keep entertaining you and making more emotes! (there may need to be some for the rating system soon!) Don't fret if you can't be there for the recording though as you can catch them on Youtube usually later that very night. Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss them! https://youtu.be/18QQWa5MEcs?si=ZuzrC0i80qHjiz4n https://youtu.be/cLFDV72pa-s?si=VHolgiDlJZWBk0I0 https://youtu.be/_rRoD28-WgU?si=nISYKo7MGY4MpUE9 https://youtu.be/WEhgwDqYqWM?si=Tx-FIPgv23qichZv ERRATA: It seems Quinny's HERBIE history lesson was incorrect and entirely apocryphal... https://youtube.com/shorts/KHyTOUSk6Rw?si=FCmt1FKY-Grdhs7D   WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/   Full text transcript Dion  Ohh hello and welcome to the pairing Table of Awesome. It is time for a foursome of a different kind on today. The Tuesday. What time? What time is it?  Speaker 3  What time is it?  Speaker 6  Blame on us? Yeah, it's it's.  Speaker 3  Fun it's it's podcasting time.  Dion  Butter in time. Wait, that doesn't quite work. I don't know. And right now, Pete, which she was invisible. Yeah. Yeah, well done.  Speaker 6  oh  Speaker 3  Sorry.  Quinny  Very well done. I love the feeling now, really. She's.  Dion  Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Embrace hope. She's yeah, probably. Still there. Can you hear?  Jill  Really gone. Just gone.  Dion  Us in the void.  Peta  I'm invisible. I'm not silent.  Speaker  Yeah. Yes.  Dion  That's true. They didn't use that enough in the film. I don't think they're just having Sue just kind of being like, what are you guys talking about and freaking people out because, you know, I do, if I were the Invisible Man.  Jill  Yeah, she's not seen, not heard woman.  Dion  Yeah, not seen, not heard. Wow. Hello. Back after a week. Off. Off. Yeah, yeah. Small, small break.  Quinny  Wow. Hey, I said, everybody feeling enthused and like, upbeat and stuff.  Jill  It was nice. To have a little break to be honest.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, I hate those months with the five Tuesdays. What? What weirdness is that ********? And now? Ohh, it's it's gone. You've gone all glowy and.  Peta  Yeah, I've, I've. I've smudged the camera so.  Quinny  And ohh well. Yeah, I know.

Jurassic World: Rebirth For a franchise that started with a single book and then a begrudging sequel, the fact that we are now 7 Films, two sub-titles, two Netflix animated shows and numerous games deep, tells us a lot about the state of the entertainment industry… (rather than the quality of that first book.) We have moved past the Jurassic park, beyond even the Jurassic World… we are now living in a post Jurassic planet. So if this film a true rebirth of a franchise, or the should this egg have been left in the incubator a bit longer. Dion and Jill have seen this weeks film, but Quinny is definitely here for emotional support and colour commentary. https://youtu.be/1AGTMry5nSc As always, a gigantosaursus sized thank-you to the dinosaurs and the mercenaries who love them, who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday (or wednesday) night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the slutty glasses wearing scientists who are kind enough to support us by leaving thier fossils in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the fences electrified and the boat fueled up… or it just pays for hosting…) If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://youtu.be/jan5CFWs9ic?si=wCPlEDf35P3owkWB WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/   Full text transcript Quinny  RRRraawr. You don’t wait to see the transcription of this.  Dion  Uh, uh hello going to the table. Listen, tonight we’re talking. Billy and the Montessori. Yes, that’s right. Jurassic World rebirth. Let’s go and say hello. Tell me your dinosaur name, Connie.  Quinny  Rusty, Durkins, Liam and someone else asaurus.  Dion  Rusty jerkins. You didn’t think about this hard enough, Jill, do you have a dinosaur name?  Quinny  I don’t know.  Jill  I’m a jealous sore.  Dion  I’m jealous, though. There you go very simply done.  Quinny  Ohh OK I thought I was trying to do the actual like thing. No, right. OK, I’m just I’m.  Dion  A Quinn playdon.  Quinny  Hang on.  Jill  Like it?  Dion  That’s where I gotta.  Quinny  Call Quinn flygon. I’m down for being a Quinn flygon.  Dion  Yeah. Or Quinn Claudon or something.  Quinny  Quinn play.  Dion  Docus yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I I like being a quintillus.  Speaker  Yep.  Jill  Phenolic quinoa. Quinoa.  Quinny  Quinolines quinolines Rex. But not locusts cause **** locusts cause that was stupid, yeah.  Dion  ******** cause. Yeah.  Quinny  Sorry, I I. Love that we tonight we’re talking about Jurassic World rebirth. Yeah, the chat is currently just concerned about the Superman shit that we watched. Last night.  Speaker  Usually.  Speaker 7  We’ll get to that next week.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, next.  Quinny  Week we will we will talk. About Superman and the real dog. Yeah. Next week? Yeah.  Dion  We’re not, we’re. Talking about the other summer blockbuster of the season by Universal Pictures. That’s right, Jurassic is not finished yet. We’re having another crack at it. The 7th ******* film in the franchise is out. And for your watching viewing Dino pleasure.  Quinny  Hmm. And Speaking of a real dog, let’s talk about this.  Dion  Donald, pleasure.  Speaker  oh Wow. Wow.  Dion  Yes, it kind of does.  Quinny  Yeah, I I I I’m gonna have to. Sorry, you go down.  Dion  No, no, you’re on, Gifford.  Quinny  I was just gonna say I have to put my hands up to it. I haven’t been able to watch this film. I have seen clips of it I have. I have been given a a wonderful description from Dion as to what the film essentially was about.  Dion  A rapid fire blow by blow.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I I haven’t been able to watch the film yet, so I’m at a certain point in time. I may even have to skip out for spoilers, or I may not bother. I don’t know.  Dion  Don’t even bother. I won’t even go there. It can’t be that sort of thing. Yeah.  Quinny  Right.  Dion  And I mean, if you’re not for anyone in the chat, and who? Casper. Casper. Hello, Casper. You. We. You. You’re like. I haven’t seen Dominion. Guess what? Don’t worry. This is a brand new. Yes. Because it went. No, no. We’ve finished those stories now, and we’re gonna start a whole new thing with a whole new team of lovable people that may or may not get eaten.  Quinny  I guess.  Speaker 7  Doesn’t matter. Yeah.  Quinny  Yes, this, this, this new reboot trilogy thing. I don’t know if it’s gonna be a trilogy. Who knows? Is entirely Chris Pratt bless.  Dion  Unfortunately, it seems to have done fairly good bank, so there’s probably gonna be a sequel.  Quinny  How many Jurassic films? Until they just completely have run out of anything interesting to say about dinosaurs.  Speaker  Right.  Dion  Yep.  Quinny  I understand. I mean, we have hit the bottom of the.  Dion  Well, what? Well. They seem to be they see they seem to. Be re digging the well.  Quinny  Well, this is Jurassic World.  Dion  Just next door. Yeah, look. OK.  Quinny  Like I don’t know how to. Do this anymore. Todd.  Dion  It’s difficult. I’m trying actually trying to think, OK, what sort of, uh, freaking accent does queen have to do this opposite? Because we got to get the synopsis out of the way. What is like in Jurassic World rebirth all about? You know, is it Scarlett Johansson giving birth to a dinosaur? No, it’s not. It’s got nothing to.  Quinny  OK, it’s not that right? No, because that would have been a very interesting and strange film.  Dion  Do with.  Speaker  Dion  Is it Ian Malcolm waking up to a Velociraptor in his bed? Allah Jurassic World 3. Or was it 2? I can’t remember. There was literally that bit. Where’s Malcolm? Malcolm.  Jill  Three, it was him and the daughter that went back to.  Dion  Yeah, I think. 3.  Jill  The.  Dion  Island in the circle? That’s right. But that could have been anyway. Yeah, anyway.  Quinny  Sorry, just to go back, Dominion was the one that included most of like a bunch of the original Jurassic Park cast, wasn’t it? Yes.  Dion  Yes.  Jill  That is the crossover 1.  Quinny  Yeah, right, that was.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  The the X-Men that is the future 1st.  Speaker 7  Yes, yes it was.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, the old and the new coming together to fight dinosaurs again. Yeah. Fight, ******* Jurassic locust.  Quinny  Locusts. Yeah, not even dinosaurs. ******* locusts. I remember that part about Dominion being really ****.  Dion  But this one.  Jill  Yeah. And I had the evil Tom Cook that was. Selling the dinosaurs or something, right?  Dion  Ohh look, there’s always an evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs. That’s the that’s the whole point. And in this one guess what? You’re not alone. It’s evil scientist trying to profit from the dinosaurs through corporate.  Speaker  Right.  Quinny  So you don’t need me to do this anymore.  Dion  Hey, go right ahead, man. I don’t even have any background music for you. I just have. I can just do dinosaur. Creams in the background.  Quinny  Hey. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, Zora Bennett. Yeah. Like she leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous Wow place on Earth. I’m not. That’s meant to be a, me and Malcolm and it’s. Feeling miserable.  Dion  I know I was kind of like.  Speaker 7  Sure. That’s what you were doing.  Quinny  Yeah, I was like, yeah, no, I I realized I was not in a gold blooming of enough. No, couldn’t do it just so I’m just gonna do it as me moves to Christian.  Dion  Christopher Walken for fun. Why not?  Quinny  It was heading towards Christopher Morgan. Well, Dinos. He’s a team. No, I’m. I’m apparently not in a place where I could do stupid voices right now. Something has broken in me. Thanks to COVID, I’m pretty sure 15 of my 27 elves that live inside me. Are dead.  Jill  No.  Dion  This is just becoming horrifying. Please continue this, not this. As quickly as that.  Quinny  Yes, it is. OK. Zora Bennett. Yeah, zora. That is her name. Leads a team of skilled operatives to the most dangerous place on Earth. An island research facility for the original Jurassic Park. 1 of 27,000 island research. Facilities for the original Jurassic Park, apparently. Yeah. Their mission is to secure genetic material from dinosaurs, not in the way you’re thinking. Whose DNA can provide life saving benefits to mankind as the top secret expedition becomes more and more risky, they soon make a sinister, shocking discovery that’s been hidden from the world for decades. There you go.  Dion  I I love that synopsis. I still have no idea what the sinister and shocking discovery that’s been hidden.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  From the world for.  Jill  Decades is that was the Montessori US, and it wasn’t decades. It was 17 years.  Dion  Yeah, which is very nice decades, but also like, is that a shocking thing? No, it’s like, OK, they’re hidden.  Jill  Set at the start of the movie.  Dion  It’s like. It’s kind of like it’s kind of like, wow, would Jurassic World have progressed into that? Ohh, you come to see the dinosaurs in the cages too. Come see the freak show. Freak show dinosaurs come. See. The freak show.  Jill  Yeah, it was definitely giving phantom of the opera dinosaur vibes. It was like I showed the whole thing. Just. Yeah, we’ll wait until the end. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Speaker 7  It’s just like. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  I’m speaking Elephant Man and dinosaurs.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, really. And also I. Love that they just played into the tropes right at the start there of the. Hapless idiot scientist who can’t do things right. Who does the little critical mistake even though they work in literally a research *******. Place and it’s their mistake that unleashes absolute hell across that. And I’m like, wow, if that was the security problem, like, that thing that that person did, they had way bigger problems. You know, at least they at least they had an actual corporate self sabotage moment in Jurassic Park. The first one where it’s like, ah, I’m doing this for money. It’s like, yeah, great. I understand that.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, where was BD Wong in this one?  Quinny  Yeah. Or or Dennis medrick.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Surprising lack of BD Wong. In all of this, too, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  It’s. I’m pretty sure he died at. The end of the last one, didn’t he?  Jill  Probably. Maybe.  Dion  You’re not like, are you? Are you? Are you seriously telling me that that character would not have cloned himself about 53 billion times because he’s the master of the cloning stuff and has been doing all of that? And he’s like, you’re gonna make like 50 of.  Jill  Yeah, exactly.  Quinny  Yeah, I have. I’m not entirely sure that may or may not have been an actual plot point from. The animated series. Like like I I’m the the Jurassic nerd who has gone and watched all of Camp Cretaceous and all of ******* chaos theory. The two Jurassic animated series. So yeah, yeah, I mean very well aware of how stupid the ******* storylines are.  Dion  Someone else?  Quinny  I’m.  Dion  The movie is this movie, this movie, not the movie. This movie established itself in the Jurassic World world by becoming a direct continuation from the Jurassic World Movie World. I know right where the dinosaurs have escaped from their captivity, which we saw in Dominion, and they’re kind of populating themselves out across and the and to causing chaos to the humans like humans have to deal with dinosaurs as a thing. But then I love that it did a smart thing in my brain which was to pull it all back towards the equator. Because they’re basically like, oh, dinosaurs are dying and they’re becoming a real pain in the **** like a dead dinosaur is quite annoying and everyone’s bored with them because they’re just a pain. They just cause traffic gridlock when they die, and they can only really exist around the equator, where it’s a more oxygen rich and kind of prehistoric era like like area where it. There. More sustainable life. Expectancy. So dinosaurs basically exist around the yeah, dinosaurs basically exist around the equator and and you know people kind of forgotten about them except for the corporations which want to make drugs, drugs, drugs from dinosaurs, even though technically no one’s allowed to go near the dinosaurs.  Quinny  It does vaguely make sense.  Dion  It’s like great. It’s like a no go zone. Is there any patrols or anyone managing that? No, we just say don’t go.  Speaker  And people will not go.  Quinny  Wait a minute. Like if it’s the entire ring of the equator, that’s quite a lot of travel, like space to try and. Manage. Yeah, but I mean.  Dion  There’s not lots of stuff there. A little bit.  Speaker  You know.  Quinny  Like I don’t know how long the equator is, but I imagine that it’s quite mountain.  Jill  And it goes right around the middle of the. World. Yeah, covers land and sea.  Dion  Well, anyway, there’s lots of, you know, research islands and stuff like extra research islands. I also love that it’s like, oh, we have thousands of these islands around the equator. Cool. There’s more research places. I’m like, really.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  They gave themselves a problem and they gave themselves a very easy way to solve it.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, it’s like and. But I looked at this, this island, and I’m like, man, that that looks even more like more technology and infrastructure went into that island than the park. So now I understand, I feel like ohh, that’s why they got out of the park cause they just didn’t give a ****. Whereas in this one, I was like, oh, this feels like it was. It had more money as could you said. To me, yesterday spared no expense, but we didn’t see that in Jurassic Park in the 1st. No, we didn’t see the spared no expense. It felt like it was, but it wasn’t. And now look at this one. I was like, wow, they’ve they’ve done so much more. There’s, like, helipads and geothermal energy and a whole bunch of things in there. But it’s a bit of a cop out.  Quinny  I really like. That that whole thing that the first one, you know, we’ve made a a park and we everybody understands theme park. OK, cool. Second film, it’s like AH, but there’s a site B.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  And you’re like, OK, fine by the time you get to 7 ******* films later, it’s like there’s sight 274B/3.  Dion  And that sure research area.  Quinny  Yeah. So what’s so cool about this research?  Dion  Where? Where do we keep over?  Quinny  Area I don’t get. It why? Why? Why should we care?  Jill  It’s the lab where they were doing the genetic experiments, so they were trying to cross breed dinosaurs with DNA. To make more exciting and terrifying dinosaurs, Allah the Dominus racks that we saw in the First Jurassic World. Except I think there were a few failures.  Dion  Yes, it’s where they kept all of the the the ones that went wrong. Yeah. Yeah, they’re like, oh, we cloned one. Ohh. It’s got an extra leg. Well, well, we can’t get rid of it. It costs a lot of money. So we’ll just see what we can get out.  Jill  Little bit.  Dion  But. At the end. Right. Yeah. So like it’s kind of like, oh, you have your, your, your your site B where you raise things that you kind of work because you did standard stuff and then you have your as you said, what was it, the Indominus Rex or whatever which was there. But where did all of the bits that came up to that go? Oh, they were at this other site which specialized in ****** dinosaurs.  Jill  Yeah. Where did the unaborted fetuses go?  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  OK, right. See there, there is a concept there that I like, if only because one of my favorite bits out of alien for.  Dion  You mean the bit?  Quinny  Where there’s the multiple clones of Ripley that they got. Wrong.  Speaker 7  Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, it’s.  Dion  Yeah, like that, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, that that kind of horror of like, yeah, we tried multiple times and **** got real messy.  Speaker 7  But father, why?  Dion  Queen.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.  Dion  But quinnie, I’m sorry in terms of movie making, that’s not going to happen because we only have the models that we could control C Control V and if every model is distinct and individual. That has different limbs or other things we we can’t do that that is too expensive. Plus we have this really great Tyrannosaurus Rex, one that we’re just going to keep using no matter what. We just reskin it. Another one.  Quinny  Yep, control Z control V.  Dion  Yeah, I mean, I’m I’m really into the island of Doctor Moreau. Dinosaur Island too, like, you know, everything is ******. Like if every dinosaur has had some something that was wrong with it in this, I would have been like, this is an interesting thing. Like, if everything like a Tyrannosaurus Rex with really. Really.  Quinny  Moret.  Dion  Tiny legs and huge arms that would be. I would love watching that. UM, but yeah.  Quinny  I would have loved to have seen like the T Rex. That actually still. Had its feathers and they’re like, yeah, this is actually what came out when we genetically did it. But yeah, nobody wanted to see that. And it looked stupid. So we just had to have that on site. ******* 27 B wouldn’t because.  Jill  That would have been. A better deep cut than just putting a school bus that said Creighton High School on it in. The opening thing like.  Dion  Yeah, I.  Jill  Know the taste levels in this film were non active.  Quinny  Sure. I I did see a sequence where they like they were walking into a a what you would call it like a museum. And they were literally dropping the banner of when dinosaurs ruled the Earth. And I was like, **** me.  Dion  The banner.  Quinny  Really, that’s a bit on the nose.  Jill  Quinny, I will tell you, I will tell you now that is not the first time they exactly ripped off the first film.  Quinny  Ohh dear.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, but. I was written by the same guy who wrote the first film based on the Michael Crichton book. That’s OK, but I do feel. Like. Yeah, it’s a.  Jill  Is it OK to not do anything original that you have to completely lift sequences?  Dion  Bit.  Quinny  Right. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Maybe he’s just using. ChatGPT to really he’s like, here’s the story outline. Fill it out.  Jill  Remember, remember the the fun kitchen sequence with the velociraptors. You wanna see that again?  Quinny  Yeah, but with a different. Yeah. Excellent. Sweet.  Jill  Cool, you’ve got it. Yeah. Do you wanna see the sequence well?  Speaker 7  Kids.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that done alright. Do you wanna see another sequence where someone’s trying to lead a dinosaur away from a?  Quinny  Wait, OK.  Jill  Group of people with a flair. Yeah, because you got that.  Quinny  Too, I love Jurassic.  Dion  Your thing?  Quinny  Park. Yeah. The first film. Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah, like I mean.  Dion  Sorry, it’s it’s it’s interesting because the ideas that are purported from some of the concepts that presented to us in this. Film I were talking about, you know, interesting, different, distorted kind of things. Like, you know, you’ve got established law like they added amphibian DNA to fill out the chains when they got there. And Can you imagine seeing a Tyrannosaurus Rex or even, you know, some sort of Velociraptor that has a tongue that can fire out? And grab like a frog, like that kind of **** is.  Quinny  I still want the the ******* thing that’s in the book. The the The Lost World Book, the sequel book.  Speaker  Uh. That.  Quinny  Is one of the creepiest bits of the novel that they’ve never adapted to the screen. Probably so.  Dion  Which was that? Tell tell me of that news.  Quinny  So there there’s a bit where they’re they’re they’re running away and that’s much like the Lost world film. They’re running away from dinosaurs and suddenly they’re being chased by Raptors and the Raptors **** ***. And they’re, like, hang on, what the **** makes Raptors turn around and run? No way. And they’re like, well, we’ve gone into something else’s territory. We’re in deep ****. We don’t know what it is, and I think it. I think it was a Spinosaurus or something like that, that they patched some of the DNA of of that with a a. Ohh ****. What are the ones that. You can see through.  Dion  Ohh jellyfish Daniel.  Jill  The cuttlefish.  Quinny  No, no. Like the the little gecko, like a gecko. But what are the ones that change? Chameleon. Chameleon. Yeah. So it was like this perfect chameleon dinosaur and everything was scared ******** of it because they could never see it.  Speaker  Thing.  Jill  Well, they did that with the Indominus. They put the the cuttlefish DNA in the Indominus and it was camouflage.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Ohh I didn’t even remember it being that camouflage. I always think of the Indominus as being kind of just white and dumb looking.  Jill  No, it was camouflage.  Dion  Could also and and change its heat signature. And it was, yeah, like they had a whole bunch of weird ****. And it had Velociraptor. DNA.  Speaker  Yes.  Dion  And it had everything, and it was linked to the child that was made.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, that was ******* stupid. OK. So, so yeah. Like it was a cool idea. Yeah. Yeah. That you know something that perfectly camouflaged itself. Yeah. But also is is still a normal looking dinosaur.  Dion  I mean, yeah, look. This film has it all. It has all of the greatest dinosaurs that you wanted to see kind of. I don’t know. They tell you in the film what the ones that they’re going to go for and then they do that they go to the ones that they’re going for. It has, you know, a great person to hate straight away. It’s got a great team of mercenaries who also had.  Quinny  Scarlett Johansson was quite pleasant. I don’t. Know what you’re talking.  Dion  Has a great team of mercenaries that all had distinct personalities and the back story. Yeah, yeah, that was the I was there. I’m like, I’m down for this. This is great. This is gonna be a fun adventure. We’re gonna go to the island and get the things. And I’m like, OK, they got, you know, sluty glasses guy. He was gonna be the person you follow. And then they added a family.  Jill  Yeah. How Red shirt gang.  Dion  For no ******* reason.  Jill  Yeah, that you’ve. Never seen the trailer? There’s just a random. Family got added.  Dion  Yeah. If it’s just like, oh, we need more people now. It’s like, do, do we. We had the team, we had the team which we could grow to love. And then when they got eaten by a dinosaur, we would feel something.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  In this one, we just get to watch, you know, Ed screen get eaten within the first, like, completely wasted within the first time. Like ohh cool. He’s a military. That was. Yeah, he’s the military guy who’s got the only gun that they seem to have. And then he gets eaten and everyone’s like, cool. So you didn’t pack any other ******* guns.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  The. Even though you’re going to an island full of deadly dinosaurs.  Dion  None. And you pack 1 gun. That’s a **** gun anyway. Like.  Speaker 2  I don’t.  Quinny  Understand this. The reason they’re going there is for what? What’s the magnuson?  Jill  OK, so the pharmaceutical Rep wants to get blood samples from dinosaurs that had the largest hearts because that’s going to cure heart disease.  Dion  And they could make a **** ton of money. At least they’re open about that straight away, but then also.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, but it doesn’t work if you only get 1 sample from one large hearted dinosaur, you have to collect three. You have to get the air 1 and the water one and the land one. And together with their powers combined. Will cure heart disease.  Quinny  I’m Captain dinosaur planet. Yeah.  Dion  Exactly. And then if you if you use the fire from a flare.  Quinny  Wow.  Dion  It all goes together and also, you know, hey, let’s just let’s just throw in. Rupert, Friends standing there going and also didn’t your dad die of heart disease? Don’t you want to do something about that? And it’s like what? OK, it’s fine. We’ll just go.  Quinny  And heart.  Jill  Yeah, OK, well, now this is a cause that’s closer.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, it’s closer to. It’s closer to my heart, but like, ohh, holy ****, you already had us with money.  Jill  To my heart. So yeah, that will help.  Dion  Because she was like, that’s real dumb. It’s like, well, here’s a bunch of money. And she’s like, yeah, OK, I can do money. I love money. We’ll do money like that was fine. And then. But, you know, I was on board for that anyway, you know.  Jill  Done.  Dion  I also love how what’s his name? Jonathan Bailey’s Henry Loomis. That paleontologist was like. I’m really conflicted about going. To this island that I’ve been like consulting to this pharmaceutical company about how they can make drug and actually like they like he was the one who came up with like no you have to get it from. The heart of a. Living animal while it’s alive and they have to be the biggest. I came up with this idea. It’s like, OK, we’re going the island to do your idea. He’s like, oh, I don’t know if I can go.  Jill  Yeah, it’s like I’ve just dedicated my life to dinosaurs, and I might have the opportunity to see them in real life, but I don’t.  Dion  I mean.  Jill  Think I could.  Dion  Do it, but I’m slightly morally. Conflicted by it, it’s like.  Speaker  Wait. Really.  Dion  Yeah. Anyway, and then there’s an additional family which is just useless. They add nothing to the plot. Nothing. They’re not there for anything. They’re there for different sequences with different dinosaurs.  Quinny  What are they there for?  Jill  They literally add nothing to any of the context of the plot.  Dion  The mercenary team would have been better off not rescuing them.  Quinny  Right.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  So they probably would have been better off too.  Jill  Oh, and the whole family subplot. So it’s not like they were even there for. Fodder.  Dion  The survival rate in the.  Quinny  Ohh ****, I thought this. I thought they were gonna be like, you know, the another red shirt but a red shirt that maybe we’re a little bit more invested in because they’re kids or whatever.  Dion  No. The survival rate in this ******* film is way too high.  Jill  Yeah, out of like, all of the characters, I’m pretty sure it was like 4 that died, tops. And there was, I gotta say, like 10 or 12 characters in the movie that were on the island.  Quinny  Right. OK.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  There were 11. There were 11 people on that island. I just counted them up quickly in the car. There were 11 people and out of it like 3.  Jill  There you go. You go.  Speaker  And it.  Jill  Was 4, three or four? Yeah.  Dion  Died. 33 died.  Jill  Ohh and it was all in the first like action sequence.  Dion  Well, no there was. There was.  Jill  Ohh wait, no there was one later. Two in the first action secrets and.  Dion  Yeah, there was. There was 2 and then one at the end and yeah. And even someone who did a heroic thing of sacrificing themselves to it, like, you know, to to let everyone get out didn’t die for no explanation. Absolutely no explanation. Yeah.  Jill  Then one later. Yeah, didn’t I?  Dion  You explain how that happened, no? You’re gonna explain where the monster. Where did the Montessori’s go? That was literally going to eat him when you went back to pick him up.  Quinny  And wave it. Away.  Jill  Yeah, they’re not the swords. Like, as terrifying as it was, was very slow.  Dion  No idea. The Montessori was.  Speaker 7  Didn’t move very quickly at.  Quinny  I was going to say you may have to help me a.  Speaker 7  All.  Quinny  Little bit. What’s the Montessori, especially as Jill.  Jill  What the source was like is the Phantom of the opera, so he’s the one that.  Speaker 7  Like.  Jill  Kills the scientists in the lab at the start, but you never really see it until the very end, where it reveals itself. But.  Quinny  Oh, he’s he’s.  Dion  Jill, you came up with the greatest explanation of it. This is the special needs dinosaur. Oh, dear. I’m sorry to say it because say that. Yeah, it is. It is the special needs dinosaur because it’s it’s it looks all ******.  Quinny  You can’t.  Dion  It is all ****** **. Yeah, but it’s also like it just makes it makes decisions in there, which is like, are you OK, buddy? Are you a special little dinosaur? Ooh, shiny thing. You know, kind of like, that’s the kind of level you get it. It’s supposed to be big and scary and kind of weird.  Jill  It’s giving Timmy for himself.  Dion  Then OK, you get that. But like by the end of it, you’re like, you could probably distract this thing with a rock.  Speaker  Like.  Dion  Shiny thing? It’s not hunting anyone in particular, it’s.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker 7  Just yeah, a laser pointer like a.  Speaker  There.  Dion  Cat. Yeah, yeah, he’s a laser pointer. It should be. Like ohh over. Here. OK, alright. Don’t worry about him. He’s just. A.  Quinny  ********. I am looking at the design of it like I’ve found a. Toy of it.  Dion  Right.  Jill  Ohh yeah, they made a toy that was a toy.  Dion  Its official name is Distortus Rex.  Jill  Yeah. That was just because they. Couldn’t call it the R word. Don’t cancel me.  Dion  Restore restores Rex.  Quinny  Yeah. I’m going. I’m just trying to work out why. It has 6 legs.  Jill  Because it’s an abomination. Quitting.  Dion  Why not?  Quinny  Yeah. And a giant alien looking ahead. Actually, you know what it reminds me of doing? It reminds me. Of. Dion  A duback it reminds me of a. Rancor. What did you call me? Easy. It reminds me of of like a. A a a not quite a right rancor.  Quinny  Ohh yeah, but like the tail of the.  Jill  Rankle from Team who, didn’t we?  Speaker 7  Say.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Rank. God, it does have rankle from Teemo, doesn’t it? Yeah, with a little bit of dew back in there as well. But but dewback with with tiny little dumb **** little baby legs at the front. But then giant *******.  Dion  Got removed.  Jill  Excuse me.  Quinny  Clothes as well. Wow. Yeah, terrible design.  Jill  And it was very slow.  Dion  Yeah. Comparatively, yes. Yes. Casper was asking you.  Speaker  Are.  Quinny  There any other cool dinosaurs in?  Dion  There is there is product placement in this which is also funny. OK, here’s the thing. No, there are not really any cool dinosaurs in this.  Jill  They’re all the stock standard ones that we’ve seen before. There was iguanodons. There was a Tyrannosaurus, there was a.  Dion  Spinosaurus.  Jill  Resource resource source. We saw a really fuzzy blurry shot of a couple of loose wrapped.  Dion  Agodon or whatever they want to call it, Moses areas.  Jill  There’s there’s flexicoil and.  Speaker  Oh oh.  Dion  That, that, that game that gave me the sheets. OK, I need to explain. That one. What? What is in every single?  Speaker  And.  Jill  There was a Ankylosaurus, but it was like for 1/2 little second as they’re like rushing through the jungle I’m like. No. Give me ankylosaurus. What? What?  Quinny  Is the.  Dion  What is the staple dinosaur across all of the other Jurassic Park movies? What is it?  Speaker 7  Yes, velociraptor. Yeah.  Dion  It’s a velociraptor. How dare you in this one? Only show a Velociraptor or two velociraptors out of focus.  Jill  Out of focus.  Dion  Stalking the character you want to die like there’s a character that you want that character to die because it’s just a.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Person that didn’t need to be in the field, but also you’re like, yeah, get rid of that, that character that that character’s ******. And then it gets killed. Like they get killed off screen like in the kind of. Behind things so you don’t need to see what happens like. They’re not even. In the frame like ohh we we put lots of Raptors in there.  Jill  It was supposed to be a comedy beat, but.  Quinny  Yeah. Anyway, OK, I I will point out that there is a toy of Zora Bennett with the Velociraptor.  Dion  No, no, no, no, no, they’re well, they kind of I I did look it up. They were like a different kind of Velociraptor that had been engineered. And I’m like, no, that’s just a Pelican with no feathers.  Quinny  OK, right. So.  Speaker  You want to be.  Jill  Hold that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It looked more like a Pokémon.  Dion  At the end, which was Kinder? Yeah, but you know my favorite dinosaur of this whole movie?  Speaker 2  Wow.  Dion  Merchandising. Dinosaur. That’s right. We’re going to give the little we’re going to give a kid the war merchant door. Yeah, merchant hours.  Jill  Baby Diner Deloris the baby dinosaur.  Dion  Yeah, Mercer hours because ******* rogu the dinosaur. All right. OK. Yeah.  Jill  That’s it.  Dion  Yeah, groger the dinosaur. Who who manages to to to look. It’s almost like Dora the Explorer. Yes, because that’s what it is. The little girl with the backpack is.  Jill  Yes, giving Dora. And boots.  Dion  From from like a Latina background has like adopted. ******* dinosaur. For some reason, even though they’ve been trying to eat her for the whole time, whatever.  Quinny  And and doesn’t. She say early on that she hates dinosaurs. Yeah.  Jill  Well, yeah. She just had a traumatic experience with one, and then all of a sudden, she befriends the baby. 1. Because marketing they.  Dion  I can’t wait for the next one. Jurassic World Re Rebirth, where it’s grown up a little bit and it’s just causing terror around their household because it’s gotten too big. I know, right?  Jill  Yeah, they should get James Gunn to direct that one.  Quinny  I mean, you’ll at least make it fun. Maybe Jill. OK.  Dion  Jill, that’s next week.  Speaker  Look.  Jill  You guys know that I love wanton dinosaur destruction as much as the next, but there was 0 in this movie. This was the most this.  Quinny  And she’s wanting dinosaur destruction.  Jill  Is the biggest. Let down of my life for a Jurassic film.  Quinny  Wow. Yeah, yeah.  Dion  Ohh great it was.  Jill  Not even any of the scenes with dinosaurs were exciting. Was none of them very mediocre?  Dion  I I really liked 1 scene which also did not pay. Off at all. Point of the scene.  Jill  Uh-huh.  Dion  So, and I’ll say because I don’t really feel like it’s not really a spoiler anyway, they they, their boat crashes, they get they have to swim to the beach. The Moses all can’t get in there, but there’s these other like is it Spinosaurus that are like the sail the sail ones yeah I don’t know the ones are the sail Finn on their back they have been kind of swimming around and you know smartly.  Speaker 7  Slide on some things.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  The dinosaur expert goes. Like, don’t stop at the beach. They’re amphibious, like keep moving. He keeps running like everyone else is like, oh, finally, we made it to the beach. There’s no more dinosaurs, and he just keeps running. Going. Nope. Nope. And phebus amphibious, like and keeps running into there. And I like that. And someone kind of takes a beat on the beach. And you’re looking at the back, and it’s kind of rocks.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yep.  Dion  Everywhere and stuff. And then suddenly one of those ones rolls over. Because it’s been lying on the beach flat. So you didn’t see this? The big sail, Finn. And it’s terrifying because you realize. Ohh ****. They’re on the beach already and everyone’s just kind of relaxing and like breathing heavy and going. Oh my God, I can’t. And one rolls over and kind of like slides around. And you’re like. Holy ****, that’s gonna get that person that’s right there. And then they take a beat and it doesn’t for some reason. Another one comes from somewhere. Else to do it and. Then they just **** ***. Yeah, like they see a person dying like ohh no, that happened anyway. Alright, that’s very sad. We should go. And it’s like they would be hunting you.  Jill  There were a couple of moments that were giving like ohh this is alien vibes. This would work perfectly if they just let into the horror aspect and then they completely swerve the other direction and.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, this is.  Jill  Basically, make a really kid friendly film.  Dion  Yeah, there’s there’s no horror in this and I think that’s one. Of. The things Queen you’re saying Camp Cretaceous was a. A good TV show. It feels like they they wanted that audience to come and see and they couldn’t get too scary.  Quinny  Yeah. Well, and the and the stupid thing is in in Camp Cretaceous and chaos theory, they do, you know, have enough actual threat in there like dinosaurs do, eat people and ****. You just don’t see it. Like you don’t see big bodies being munched in half, but.  Jill  That was the beauty of the first one. That was the beauty of Jurassic Park. They’re terrified. 8 year old me, but I still went back to keep watching. I’m like, this is ******* terrifying. Must watch more here.  Quinny  Dinosaur leaping. Sir. Absolutely.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  They don’t. They do. They hate that guy on the toilet, like the lawyer.  Jill  Yes, snapped him up, chewed him, gobbled him.  Quinny  Down. Yeah, exactly.  Jill  Getting electrified on fences.  Dion  As a.  Quinny  Yeah, and and the, the, the.  Jill  Joke ******** your pants in the kitchen. Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  The Raptors were ******* scary because they were smart, yes.  Speaker 7  Jello.  Speaker  Yeah. Give me.  Quinny  That I mean. Come on. There’s a girl.  Dion  This is this is a like Jurassic Park, is it?  Jill  I ohh Dion, did I tell you or did I not tell you that I wanted them to say clever girl in this movie?  Dion  Is it what?  Jill  And it didn’t happen all the.  Dion  Exactly. We’re waiting for regrets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially considering you’ve got a female lead.  Jill  Of all the things.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Like you know, and.  Jill  Yeah, straight female characters. Yeah, that 41 got eaten, but still.  Dion  Yeah, only it’s it’s one of those. It’s one of those things that I was like. Jurassic Park. The first one is great because you take two kids, you terrorise them with an attack and then the first thing that Ian Malcolm. Sorry. No. Ian. Malcolm. Sam. Meals. Thing is, is also scare them is to make them like.  Speaker 7  Oh yeah, with the color and the.  Dion  No, no, not no, no, the the like the electrified fence. I forgot about that. They’ve just gone through gold.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the first moment he met them. He shows them the the talent and he’s like that. Rip your guts. Out like this?  Dion  No, that was the kid. That was a shift head at the archaeological view.  Quinny  Oh no, I’m pretty. The to the little kid as well, really.  Jill  It doesn’t terrified a kid. Oh.  Dion  Yeah. Ohh yeah, yeah. But like also, I love that like it’s traumatic experience. We should terrorise them a little bit more. I’ll play that joke and then they get terrorized again. Like it is about scaring kids. And this one is not about scaring kids. This one is about making. You know who’s scared in this?  Jill  It wasn’t. There wasn’t even jump scare in this I don’t think.  Dion  No.  Quinny  And yet it’s been very popular and made.  Jill  Why? But why? Why?  Quinny  A lot of.  Speaker  Money.  Quinny  That was my question. That’s my question. Why?  Jill  I think it’s all the people with chat. Deputy brain rot.  Quinny  Who would? Just like yay dinosaur fan?  Dion  It’s it’s, it’s it’s a movie. Like it’s a movie from a pitch deck. It’s like, here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Here’s this action scene. Right. Write it all together for some reason and do it also you. Let’s throw in a message there which I think is Gareth Edwards touch like he’s I feel like Gareth, who’s a good director like I don’t, I don’t think his films are bad. He he wanted to tell a message in it, but he had to do it. In such a. Way, which is like corporations are bad and we should like work together with each other and it just feels ham fisted because he’s been handed a bunch of scenes that he has to put in this movie that don’t make ******* sense. Also, yes again, you mentioned that the other thing quinny the magical blow up boat that seems to be the only thing that can stop dinosaur bites. Yeah. Yeah, because they’re 2 rubbery.  Jill  Completely imperceptible to teeth.  Dion  Yeah. Can’t Pierce a a blow up boat.  Quinny  Oh, we’re OK.  Dion  Which is also done in the stupidness.  Quinny  I’d I’d only read about it and I was like, ohh OK. Magical rubber dingy. Cool, yeah.  Speaker  Sticky.  Dion  Magical rubber, sweet, but also dumb. I mean that whole sequence which was specifically design. Mind for just the T Rex attack was not particularly scary, thrilling or interesting. It was just like they’re gonna get away. Everyone and no one dies.  Quinny  Is is the is the T Rex still even remotely scary?  Jill  No, not in comparison to anything else these days.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, right. Because when that. When it first shows up in that first film and you know you don’t see it for a while, it eats a goat off screen and you’re. Like oh ****.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  And then it finally shows it up. And it’s this ******* magnificently terrifying thing in the dark.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  It was incredible, was there.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  That.  Jill  The scariest thing, but like since Jurassic World, he’s just been good guy T Rex. He’s like he’s our pet.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  And that is a problem, isn’t it? Like if you’re now a good guy, we can rely on T Rex to always come through for us.  Jill  Yeah. Again, another slow dinosaur. How how are people in a dinghy outgrowing a Tyrannosaurus Rex?  Dion  Yeah. Or is swimming like, how is a river at both times deep enough for a Tyrannosaurus Rex to swim and then?  Quinny  It’s funny.  Speaker 7  But also the stick. It’s like that Godzilla thing where he’s in the ocean. It’s like his legs go all the way.  Dion  But also to stand in.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Speaker 7  Down. They can still serve.  Dion  I’ll stand there and go. Oh, no. I’ve been foiled by my one weakness. A small gap in rock.  Quinny  Casper, I think has hit the absolute nail on the head there. Have the solution. We give the Dinos lasers. I also agree that they should have lasers and should have people riding them. I know riders.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah.  Quinny  I mean, it’s not that ******* hard, guys.  Dion  I mean, come on, there are plenty of islands. There’s gotta be some Indigenous tribe there that’s been left with. And also has domesticated them and now is using them to, you know, fight battle. Why not?  Quinny  Yeah, I’m down for that. Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. I mean the rest of Hollywood is bankrupt, so why not this one? Hi, Amy.  Quinny  I love the fact that they they go into all of the effort of going OK in the previous films. We’ve now set dinosaurs out into the world and the the whole idea of Jurassic World is that yeah, we are now living in a Jurassic.  Dion  It’s the world. Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  World, where there’s dinosaurs and **** like that. And it’s like, yeah, no undo all of that. Take them out of society so that society just doesn’t care about them and we’re going to put them in a small band in the middle of the of the planet.  Dion  Yep, we’ve gone across the world to come all the way back around. No back to islands in the Pacific. Yeah, yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Cool.  Quinny  Is Scarlett your handsome good.  Jill  She’s adequate.  Dion  You know what I gotta say, all the cast is great because, like they, they are trying very hard. Like they’re all likable. I liked. Wait. OK, let me separate this out. All of the cast from the mercenary side. Like the the you get introduced straight away. They’re all actually quite likable, you know. They’re stereotyped out, so you know who’s who to follow. You know, you got the boat, captain. You got the the mercenary. You got the evil creepy guy. Like it’s very aliens. Easy to follow. It’s like predator. I think I explained that one. It’s like. In the first predator film, by the time they’re on the helicopter going out to the mission, you have identified exactly the difference between all of them and how they work. So yeah, it’s a good way to introduce a cast of different people. Same kind of thing here, here’s all the cast and then they. Had. A boat full of family. That you hate. Like all of them are *****, pretty much or. Bless.  Jill  Yeah, they were pointless, they.  Dion  They’re all.  Jill  Were fine, but they were. Pointless.  Dion  Yeah, fine. But they’re pointless. And then they mix them up. And I was like, this is just irritating and the most irritating thing I think I found about it was after they, their boat crashes, they split them up again to the exact same groups. And that is dumb. Like I mean you presented you, you could have at least given half the mercenaries to the family and half the family to the mercenaries.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  If you had mixed them up. Then it’s like, OK, how do we now work with what we’ve got to complete the mission that we have to do, but also get you back safely to get?  Dion  Because the family’s just trying to get off the island and the mercenaries just default back to Ohh well, they’re dead. We’ll.  Speaker 7  And leave the island.  Dion  Just go and get the blood we need.  Jill  Yeah. They’re like, oh, maybe they’ll need us at that helipad that we told. Them about who knows.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Jill  And then when they do, they’re like.  Quinny  Oh my God, you made it.  Dion  My God, we never thought we’d see you again.  Speaker 8  Yeah, that’s.  Speaker 7  The grey.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  The Quetzalcoatlus thing, the the big flying one, is there anything called with?  Speaker  What?  Jill  I mean, no, they’re raiding its nest and then it comes back and it eats one of them.  Dion  No.  Speaker  Oh.  Dion  Do you know what was scarier in the previous films?  Jill  Ohh yeah, they’ve wait, but Joe Bailey fell off a Cliff and survived.  Dion  Because everyone survives, you can’t not survive, right? Also getting up the Cliff is hilarious because, like, we have to make it up there by, like, you know, in the next few hours.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  And then they’re just. There. Yeah. Like how how no one can climb that fast. You couldn’t even take an escalator. Fast, but like OK, the the the flying dinosaur like that, the terradon that was in the in the second one. No third one in justified. Well, they went to the Avia and they were like, Oh my God, there’s an aviary. That was scary. And then the eating people off the off the, the the resort in Jurassic World that’s also terrifying. In this one it’s just kind. Of like.  Quinny  Ohh Margarita man being picked up. I love that. It was great.  Dion  Yeah, like all of that kind of stuff. That was this one just kind of felt like ohh no, they got their thing for the thing and now they’ve got their thing, OK. Then they disappear. It’s like, great, now bird is gone and then have to.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Worry about bird anymore.  Jill  Yeah. Yeah, they’re. Like, oh, so once we complete that mission, how do we get off the island? And Scarjo says, Ohh well, there’s a helicopter that I prepared earlier. It would be here at dusk on the second day and it will hover for two minutes precisely. So we must be there at the appointed time so we can leave.  Dion  Yes. And then leave.  Quinny  Here’s one I.  Dion  Prepared, yeah, exactly 100%.  Jill  Precisely.  Quinny  Yeah. I’m sorry. Just wanna wanna call out something Karina has just said in the chat that there’s a mystery temple that they never explain.  Jill  So they’re like. Yeah, because they’re on some random ******* island where a lab has been set up. But here’s like this main looking temple. That are, you know, aptly named Quetzal cottis’s nesting in and they’re like, oh, yeah, whatever.  Quinny  Oh no worse. Yeah, just and wave that away. Yep. Yeah, cool.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, it’s. There’s a lot of hand waving this way. Actually, there’s a fun one. I know that we’re. We haven’t even got to like ratings or spoilers. I don’t really care. I don’t. Want to play the clip anymore?  Speaker 7  We’re kind of really spoiling this whole movie right now, but it’s not a particularly good movie, I’m afraid, guys.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m feeling like I didn’t I.  Dion  Didn’t even want to play the clip of the family. No, I really enjoyed the weird threesome that was. That was the unintended.  Jill  Oh yeah, what? Joe Bailey in the ****. Chair.  Speaker 7  yeah  Dion  When they’ve when they’ve finally come across. Yeah, what are they called? They’re like. Big the big they’re not brontosaurus or whatever. They’re gigantosaurus whatever they’re like. They’re kind of cool, but.  Speaker  Gig gig addon Adam.  Dion  Gigaton.  Quinny  Giga Dong, well done.  Jill  We didn’t get sleep, got no pain, there was no diesel pain. It just kind of made out for a bit. Now see it.  Speaker  We.  Dion  We said we supposedly supposed to get to this really beautiful moment where these two gigantic gigantosaurus are titanosaurs or whatever it is are like mating. And they go like, oh, my God, we’ve stumbled onto this field where all these things are and they’re mating and we need to get that.  Jill  Titanosaurus Higdon this course. Oh my God. Wait, wait. Can I just say they’re in a field with absolutely nothing, and then they turn slightly and here are these big **** *** dinosaurs, and then they turn around just a little bit more. And then there’s like 100 of them.  Speaker  Why?  Speaker 8  It is cold.  Dion  Yeah, I mean it plays. It plays exactly into that thing which has been established in the previous ones. It’s like do not go into the long grass. That’s where the velociraptors hunt. And you go in, they’re walking in there like, oh, great. We’re finally getting to the action edit. And it’s just ******* giant ones. It just happened to be there.  Jill  Yeah, there’s nothing. Ohh, this is fantastic. Ohh wait. Hang on. Ohh, look at that big one.  Speaker 7  Another big one. I’ll be right on top of.  Speaker 8  Us. What the?  Dion  It’s. *******. It’s supposed to. Yeah, it’s supposed.  Jill  Thing.  Speaker 7  Wait, what? There’s a hundred more over there? Yeah.  Dion  It’s supposed to be this really beautiful moment for Jonathan Bailey’s character as the paleontologist to go, Oh my God, I’m watching this happen in real life and I can see this, and he gets too close to them and touches them. But it is just the fact that there are these two titanosaurus and they just curl like twist sort of twist their necks like ******* snakes. They just do that.  Jill  Yes, they’re just making it out. They’re making.  Quinny  Out they’re making.  Dion  And he’s and. And he’s putting his hand on it. And I’m like, that is the worst part of the reason right there. There is the awkward guy just trying. To get involved. Well, these two are like, what are you doing?  Speaker 7  Getting in the middle of the.  Jill  Well, just I’m just gonna get scratching here. Oh, no. OK.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do I just do an intro or just leave my hand here? Meanwhile, the dinosaur kind of looks down and goes. What are? You doing yes.  Speaker 7  Like is this working for you?  Dion  Stop looking at me.  Quinny  So he’s in the Cockfield exactly.  Dion  Yeah. And then Sky Joe shoots it with a dart for blood for blood and that kind of thing. And that’s how you go.  Jill  And then they’re like. 2 down, one to go.  Dion  I also love how they celebrate every time they get a vial they have they have a they’re like a, a a briefcase full of like, which has space for three vials of blood that that they kind of are using as the as the the progress meter for the game that is this movie. And they all get really excited about harvesting this blood and it’s. Like. You know that you’re the bad guys, right? You’re the bad people. You’re like in Jen from the second movie. You.  Quinny  Know. So is there a point where like and and this is me not having seen it. OK, thank you. Is is there a moment where the the the obviously not great.  Jill  There’s no point.  Speaker 1  There is no point.  Quinny  And the guy at the start turns on them. And of course, OK, just I just just checking. Of course he’s.  Speaker 7  Ohh yes, very early. Very early in the movie.  Dion  He’s established as a complete **** **** the very start, like when.  Quinny  He kind of books them just like that.  Dion  When they’re in, when they’re in the the the water. But like, you know, and then of course he finds.  Speaker 7  Yeah, they’re like.  Jill  No, you’re not a good dude. But we’re just gonna. Look over here.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we you have money and we do that. And then eventually, of course, he makes.  Jill  Until the moment when they’re like. I think we can get rid of this. Guy, if we just do nothing.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. And then you’re. You’re right, Kenny. He he does. Carter Burke himself. He he tries to escape him. Leave them all for dead while he tries to get away. And that’s the Carter Burke, you know, right. Not even a satisfying death for him. Just a boring death.  Jill  Yeah. It’s not getting eaten on a toilet.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  That’s for sure. No, it is not. And anyway, they all get out and they live happily ever after in only to time to come back now and.  Jill  And we never find out what they did with the.  Quinny  Samples. Ohh really. Nope.  Dion  They kind of say what they plan on doing.  Speaker 7  Jay, just leave the island and that’s it.  Dion  But they don’t say what. There’s no post thing that’s kind of like M we should agree to do this. Yeah, maybe end of film. Ohh alright.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Dion  Sure.  Quinny  Should we have a clip? And then do our ratings? Do you want to do it the? Other way around I don’t get. I didn’t wanna I. Speaker 7  Whatever works.  Dion  Don’t even wanna play the clip. It’s so dull.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  Because it’s just the family.  Quinny  Oh, OK.  Dion  No, **** it. I’ll just play the.  Quinny  Clip and the the clip I want to I. On. Want to? I want to see the clip.  Speaker 7  What happened, Dad, where is?  Speaker  He I don’t. Know.  Speaker 8  I’ll go back down. I’ll keep looking.  Speaker 2  Speaker 8  Right.  Speaker 2  What?  Speaker 3  Come on, come on, come on.  Speaker 7  Are you?  Dion  Ohh thank God they all live and no one dies and there are no consequences for anyone in this whatsoever.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yes, I know. Karina. How was he? Out. Swim. The mosa saw. We don’t answer these questions. We just watched the films.  Jill  How were they able to outrun a Tyrannosaurus? How was Kincaid able to outrun the? Montessori’s.  Dion  Rex, why was the mosasaur in the open ocean? Also hunting slash, swimming around with the the with the.  Jill  Spinosaurus that we’re in. The middle of nowhere.  Dion  In the middle of nowhere and those just, they just disappear.  Jill  In the middle of nowhere, an amphibious dinosaur was in the middle of the Atlantic helping a mosasaur hunt. Yep. And then where did it go?  Speaker  Yes.  Dion  They just ****** off. We don’t know. Why?  Jill  Where did it go?  Dion  And then, sorry and then?  Jill  We’re doing spoilers right now, yeah.  Dion  And then and then wait.  Quinny  Right and pretty, Kanga says I have to ask is?  Jill  It really called the Montessori. No, it’s just a really monted looking dinosaur.  Dion  No, we just call it the Montessori. Exactly.  Quinny  Like Distorters Rex, but let’s go with yeah, yeah.  Dion  That’s what we say, like, not Billy and the connoisseurs, Billy and the Montours. The the other thing is that that mosasaur like knocks the boat over that they’re on because it’s it’s whatever, ******* territorial. Who cares. And then right after that. Scene where it kind of just misses the guy getting on the boat. Then it just goes. No, pull it. Now go **** ***. Yeah, and it just ***** off like.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  But it wouldn’t. What? Why? You know.  Jill  This was the stuff that was missing. If they had completely trashed the boat and eaten the family. Would have loved it.  Dion  Fine. Yeah, it could have just been nameless family gone because also as they said it, it just ***** off and then they pick the people up and then the Moses source decides actually, no, the the other boat, that’s the power boat full of mercenaries. That’s the one I’m going to buck up and run aground onto the island. You’re like, wait, it it it could easily funked up a a A. Sailboat, but it knew it had stuff on, and yet it decided to take on the heavily armoured boat.  Jill  Catamaran.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  No good reason.  Quinny  I’m in one of the artworks for this that that like also just want to put it out there the the the art, the thing that first indicated to me that perhaps this movie was a bit **** is that all of the posters and everything that I could find looked like the worst *******.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  Photoshop jobs that I’ve ever seen. Like it, it’s pictures of like clearly CGI body with its gullet. Your Hansen’s face just kind of pasted onto it halfway up a Cliff or something like that. Not footage, not shots, anything like that. And there is a design in one of them that I went. The **** is that? It has a beaky kind of face, but it looks a bit like a Raptor.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the new kitchen. Dinosaur. Except we’re doing it in a convenience store, but it’s the exact same secret.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the convenient. The convenient dinosaur.  Jill  Yeah, that’s the Pokémon looking one.  Dion  Yeah, that’s the.  Quinny  Right.  Dion  One is like if you took a. Pelican and you took all the feathers off it. Yeah, kind of.  Jill  Thing it’s a little bit flying. It’s a little bit water tight, but.  Dion  It it’s I I called it the goiter dinosaur because it’s got the big kind of flopped up neck that it kind of does, but it’s just it’s just dull.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Right. It does. Yeah, it has no problem. Like there’s there’s no real reason to do it.  Quinny  Dion  It was just there to be like, oh, this is scarier than a Raptor is like, is it because it’s not? You could have just had a Raptor.  Quinny  Right. OK.  Dion  You could have you could you could have made a Raptor with the plates of a stegosaurus. Or imagine you’re a Raptor with the the the horns with horns like you could have done. Yeah. Yeah, you’re ******* with genetics and stuff too. That ****. Make a Raptor with horns so it could impale people.  Quinny  Like a tricera wrapped. Yeah, or.  Dion  That would be ******* scary.  Quinny  Or what?  Jill  How come when I’m trying to think of that that one?  Quinny  Looked like and I get an anklyosaurus. What? What’s the ones that the the head butting ones they? Ankles, horses or.  Jill  No, that’s the. The.  Dion  I think it’s a goto asaurus.  Quinny  I’ll wait for you.  Jill  Was in the last one. He was in Dominion. I can’t remember.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, I I know. Karina will be able to say Pachycephalosaurus. Yeah, yeah. You know, get a *****. But give that, like, a crown of thorns of of horns or something like that, you know, go for something really ******* out there and mutant and weird. And I’ll be like, OK.  Speaker  Hey.  Speaker 7  Sure.  Quinny  Cool. It sounds like we’re not not weird enough.  Dion  Yeah, I I feel like they’re like, oh, we’re going to do the island of meat and dinosaurs. It’s like, cool. So we don’t really have models that we can do that with because they cost more money. So where do you want to focus on? Is that do we have to keep the other cast of the family with the boat in? Right? It’s like, no, can we get rid of them? No, they have to stay. No, weird dinosaurs. Just use the dinosaurs you already got. It’s it’s a. It’s a bit, yeah. It’s weird, right? So ratings.  Quinny  Yeah, I was gonna say drop some numbers at me like and and if you’ve seen it in the chat, which I know Karina has. You know, drop some of that with with a number after it, so I know what’s gone on.  Dion  25-O Jesus just ******.  Speaker  Wow.  Dion  It’s it’s annoying on both sides. It it? It neuters the dinosaurs and their effectiveness and their scariness, and it also neuters the really good cast you had. And the smart things you could have done and the director, I feel. I feel like everyone kind of. Got. Castrated by this, for whatever reason, I don’t understand why I didn’t like it that much, and I would probably no, I can’t really defend. I’m thinkin

M3gan 2.0 The B1tc# is B@ck is not the tagline for this movie… but it could very easily have been.  After the surprise hit that was the first M3gan, Blumhouse have done what they do best, and that is turn around a moderately budgeted sequel in a surprisingly quick time. Does this make for an excellent film that expands the original property and deepens the lore and background of the character?  No. Does is make for an energetic romp that features not one but two murderous cyborgs with dead, doll-like eyes, doing martial arts and ridiculous stunts?  Possibly. Listen in the full review to get the down low on the download. D10n , Qu1nny and J1ll are all on board for this episode and you better believe they not only have opinions, but a bunch of ways the film could have been SO much better. Synopsis Two years after M3GAN, a marvel of artificial intelligence, went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage, its creator, Gemma, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military-grade weapon known as Amelia, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Emlia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking orders. Hoping to stop Emilia, Gemma decides to resurrect M3GAN, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. https://youtu.be/Aiam4GCb-ug As always, a digitally self aware thank-you to the dolls and action figures who join in with the conversation on the Twitch stream, live each Tuesday night at 7:30pm AEDT. And an especially huge thanks to any of the A.I. chat bots and art programs who are kind enough to support us by programming a tip in our jar via Ko-Fi, or subscribing on twitch… every bit helps us to keep the lights on and keep Alexa happy or just pay for hosting…) If you feel so inclined drop us a sub we really love them, The more subby mc-sub-faces we get, the more Emotes You get! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLHdEzsk1s&pp=ygURbTNnYW4gMi4wIHRyYWlsZXI%3D WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK! Send in voicemails or emails with your opinions on this show (or any others) to info@theperiodictableofawesome.com Please make sure to join our social networks too!  We're on: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/TPToA/ Twitter: www.twitter.com/TPToA Facebook: www.facebook.com/PeriodicTableOfAwesome Instagram: www.instagram.com/theperiodictableofawesome/ Full text transcript   Dion  Ohh yes.  Speaker 7  It’s a feminine on and on and on and on. Norman non. Something like that.  Speaker 4  Play diva humpty. Yeah, yes.  Dion  That’s what’s yes, it’s it’s all it’s all about female empowerment. You’re right about what else you’re right about here.  Quinny  Sort of, yeah.  Dion  No.  Jill  We trained our AI writing script on 1000 hours of RuPaul’s Drag Race and. This is what it came up with.  Dion  And yeah, and it’s actually better than.  Quinny  You you spent so long working out whether you could, you didn’t see whether you should but but but funnily. Going on this next week, sorry.  Dion  Enough that AI chat bot is still better than grok so.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Hello, welcome to period. My name is and.  Jill  Jillian on. I am J1 all.  Quinny  QY Q1 and bifurcated numbers.  Dion  Yes. That’s right. And and Quinn, three, who’s there? And tonight we are talking about the sequel to the 2023.  Jill  Movie, yeah.  Dion  Methree again, I refuse to call anything else than. That Reagan 2.  Speaker 8  I guess.  Dion  Yeah. Oh my God.  Jill  3 and 2.0.  Dion  Yeah. Sorry. You’re right. 3 and 2.0, which if we’re going to follow these conventions, it’s going to be math. 3 gun version 4. Beta. Yeah, well, no version 4.1 final final use. This one final please. Final.  Quinny  Yeah. So no, really no really final and then you’ll find it in the wrong folder cause you for some reason chose the wrong place where you saved.  Dion  It. Yeah, yeah. Or someone will desperately call you and go. Did you make a backup of it? I deleted it accidentally.  Quinny  Always. No.  Dion  No or you start writing it in like a cloud based service and then suddenly someone will produce the movie 3 months before you were releasing it and.  Speaker  Thanks.  Dion  You’re like, OK.  Quinny  Hey, it looks like you’re trying to write a. Script for a. Sequel, you want me to **** it?  Dion  Up for you. Completely bad news. We’ve already scraped it and. Really. Sit in China. It’s bad when you get to the point where even asylum films are being outdone by people stealing the once.  Speaker 7  That’s awesome.  Quinny  Oh, it hurts. It hurts and it hurts.  Dion  That’s not miss Reagan.  Quinny  No. So I want to know.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  I I can’t remember. Did we all enjoy? I think we all enjoyed Megan, didn’t we?  Jill  We did quite thoroughly. We actually looked up the scores that we gave.  Dion  We did.  Quinny  It ohh damn you know.  Dion  Yeah, we did, yeah. When you weren’t here because you were late. COVID and I. Yeah. Now Jill and I went back and looked it up and we reviewed it in 20 January of 2023. And we gave it got a full score.  Quinny  Ohh Jesus Christ, because I’ve got for ********.  Dion  85 because Karina’s score dropped it down from what would have. Been like nothing.  Quinny  Oh.  Dion  So we all had a nice time.  Jill  Thanks Karina.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Good. Damn it. I mean, she’s in the chat right now. She could enter.  Speaker 8  Yes. Yeah.  Quinny  For herself, yeah.  Dion  100%.  Quinny  And incomes cash for with. Like that.  Dion  Subbing subbing for that.  Jill  Thank you. Thank you. As 51 month streak.  Quinny  Oh my God. Jesus. That’s incredible.  Speaker 4  Wow. Wow.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s.  Jill  God. Is that like how? Long. We’ve been. Yeah, it’s on Twitch.  Dion  Just swinging here. Yeah, yeah, at least.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, look.  Jill  Rocky.  Dion  We had to. We had to do all this stuff when it all became apparent that we couldn’t get together and talk about it, and now we just kept doing it.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Yeah. So.  Quinny  We’re we’re still rocking and also Karina, I love the carinas. Not even sorry with her mark. She’s like, whatever.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Sorry.  Jill  No regrets.  Dion  Totally, no regrets. Look, I mean, thinking back to the time when we saw the original, I had a great time with it. It was a fun, quirky, slightly creepy Horror Story. It was.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  We gave it a good score. It had a a fun thing in it. It had the weird dancing. It had the the, like sort of animal running. Very. Yeah. Very camp. But also kind of very creepy. And you just didn’t know how things were going to go.  Jill  Yeah, it was highly camp.  Quinny  It had a bit of style to it too, like it was, it was, you know, a pretty standard like slasher kind of thing. It was. It was child’s play, but with ale.  Jill  Yeah, it’s like, how do we ask the fibroid a.  Quinny  Chucky. Yeah. And I I was was very, very much into that. And like, you know. The the bit with. Yeah. Weird doll face thing chasing kids through the woods and you know, like a dog and ****.  Jill  Yeah. Pushing them in front. Of cars or?  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a whole bunch of cool **** in that first film, but I was like, oh, yeah, that’s actually kind of fun. There’s a.  Jill  Lot really kind of subverted the horror genre as well, but like being so overtly camp, I mean there are quite a lot of camp horror movies that, you know, become cult classics. But this was like.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  For the modern era, you know about AI and.  Speaker 7  Yeah.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah.  Jill  What it’s doing to kids and that kind. Of stuff so.  Dion  It was near futurism, you know, it’s kind of like it’s, you know, we’re building robotics.  Jill  Syfy slant.  Dion  Yeah, robotics are more incorporated. It’s close to where we are. It’s a bit Black Mirror, but also it was, it was funny. Because watching. That’s creepy. It’s creepy. Funny you.  Quinny  That was the thing I think that. Know that was the thing that that really worked for me the first time around was that it was. Funny and like when it did creepy, it did creepy well, but there was enough knowing nods and funny to make.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  You go oh. Yeah, this this knows what it is. This.  Dion  Knows where it’s at and to be completely honest, begging for a sequel. You know, as soon as that the the credits rolled on the first one I was like, Yep, that will do. Yeah. Now we got a new franchise of the freaking.  Speaker 7  Hold.  Dion  Killer Sassy killer robot *****. I like her. Let’s go. And now, what are we almost 2 and a bit years later, we’ve got 3 and 2.0.  Speaker  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Which is.  Speaker 4  Yeah, yeah, I mean.  Jill  I mean, I don’t think patina particularly. No, really. We’re like, OK, So what were all the things about? The first one that made it successful and what everybody loved, it’s like, great, let’s do that again, but more.  Speaker  Yeah. Hmm.  Dion  Yeah, I love. Like all of it when I think about the marketing for it. I was watching this come. I was like, oh, they’re now sound. Like, great, this sounds good. And then it was just catch phrase, catch phrase, neon catch phrase. And I’m like, oh, no.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, I didn’t like. I didn’t like the catch phrases from the first movie. I like the creepy murderbot.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, they’re. Yeah, they’re like ohh quick. Culture is like really latched on to this, like, let’s pander to them more and just like, turn her into hunty diva boots, the house down, Yas Queen.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 8  And it lost all.  Speaker 4  Of the horror.  Quinny  Like, I mean, what was what was the?  Dion  Thing with it was like, ohh Miss Megan’s the the the horrible murderous robot. Oh yeah, that should be the person. We’ve got to empathize with. And following the sequel, it’s like, No, No, we don’t.  Quinny  No, no, you there are many things that you have taken away from this first film that you’ve taken away role.  Speaker  What have we?  Dion  What if we made her the antihero? No, please. No, no, guys, no.  Quinny  So do do you do you want a synopsis? I have the synopsis.  Speaker 4  Ohh please.  Dion  Sure. I actually don’t have any music, but.  Quinny  No, no, that’s OK like.  Dion  There you go. I’ll put a little bit in.  Quinny  The background. There we go, OK. And I I don’t think I can do any kind of. Robot voice for this.  Dion  No, you.  Quinny  Cause like she’s, she’s auto tuned. It’s it’s all very, you know, Glados. It’s not a.  Speaker  Quinny  Thing.  Speaker 7  Quinny  Two years after Megan. Mr. Egan. Whatever you wanna call it, a marvel of artificial intelligence went rogue and embarked on a murderous rampage. Its creator, Jammer, has become an advocate for government oversight of AI. Very exciting. Unbeknownst to her, a defense contractor has created a military grade weapon known as. Amelia. Here, the ultimate infiltration spy. However, as Amelia’s self-awareness increases, it becomes less interested in taking audits, hoping to stop Amelia. Gemma decides to resurrect at Merigan, making it faster, stronger, and more lethal. That’s not entirely. Accurate, no. I also I’m gonna assume that an idiot wrote this because it goes from being Amelia to Amelia, like there are typos and she had. All through it.  Dion  So what you’re telling me? Is the AI wrote this?  Quinny  I think it may have been written.  Speaker  No.  Quinny  By II cause it’s. Yeah, like it’s Amelia, the Emilia, and then something else.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Well done everybody.  Dion  All of the characters that were there in the first one are back in the second one, and that’s yeah, kind of great. Like, you know, there wasn’t anyone who was offensive.  Speaker 1  Yeah.  Dion  You know, and that some of the ideas that were presented were pretty good, you know, like, as in, how do you do a sequel? What are we gonna go here? I I have to say it’s not one of those ones that is kind of really dumb. Dumb logic. Like there’s a few jumps. Yeah. Yeah.  Quinny  No.  Jill  No, I mean like when I heard the plot for the film, I was like ohh, that sounds dumb. I’m in. Yeah, but like, in a fun way of like, it’s gonna be a camp horror film again. I can. I can buy into the ridiculousness of the movie, especially because like the cast is so good at selling it as well.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yeah. And then. Yeah, and and I. Mean you’ve kind of got that tradition. Of something like Terminator and then Terminator 2 where you know the first one kill the robot second one. Ohh we make the robot the protector. But like cool. Yeah. And as Casper says, a worst to murder too. Yes. Yeah, Terminator 2 where like the the bad guy doesn’t have any. Any of the interestingness of the T1000.  Speaker 7  I’m worse.  Dion  Kind of. Or, yeah, yeah, a major Japanese. Do you know, like Arnold Schwarzenegger always wanted to do more comedy, more comedy. You know, anything. Imagine if they just let him into. Medicine.  Speaker  Oh.  Quinny  Do you remember the the the the shots in Terminator 3 where he’s like he puts on the the the star sunglasses and stuff?  Dion  Yeah. And that’s kind of. Kind of weak. Yes.  Quinny  All that, yeah.  Dion  And that is kind of this version of of Megan. It’s like the yassif tied. Meghan.  Speaker  It’s yeah.  Dion  Versus.  Jill  To the to the absolute enth degree. Like they they went too far. They turned the dial too far.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fighting. Yeah. Fighting her as well. Not sister, but like cousin.  Quinny  All the way to levity, stupid. Cousin ****.  Dion  Sorry. Yeah, shin hottie from Asoka has has has appeared now as a murderous. Another murderous girl in this one which is, you know more realistic. And that was one of the things that kind of made me a little annoyed too. Was like ohh they took the idea like the the building blocks of Megan and made another one. And this one looks like a real person though. It’s like no part of the reason Meghan was creepy. You know. Well, yeah. No, she’s just murder robot, like stock standard dog standard murder robot. You know who’s hot? Ish. Hmm.  Jill  Yes, exactly.  Quinny  For for a yeah, in a prepubescent, weird way. Like, yeah, it’s.  Jill  Don’t get me wrong, I still had a good time. I still enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the movie. I was.  Quinny  I was. I was. OK, that’s what I wanted to know.  Jill  Spying the plot. 2°.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The actors again really sold it.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  They you know, they they were committed to the bit. You could tell that they were on the emotional journey. Just the thing that bothered me was it was so obvious. That they were. Trying to go harder than they did the first time around and it really just kind of lost the specialness of it being a subversive horror film.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  100%.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  And I feel like they muted.  Jill  Yes.  Dion  Megan, in a certain way, because they were like, no, no, the actual murder 1 is this other robot who will do the evil murdering, and then we’ll limit.  Speaker  Oh, gorgeous.  Speaker 4  I feel.  Jill  Like Meghan in the first one was, like, really harsh and like a Serbian, but this one was just kind of like.  Dion  Again. Hmm yeah.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, Devo let’s do. It. I’m like, what? Yeah, no, like, compliant. I don’t really get.  Dion  Yeah. It, well, the creepy thing about the first one, which I really liked is she was quiet. She was observant and she would be calculating, and that was the creepy thing about it. You, you. She’d be standing there looking and you’re like, what the **** is that thing thinking about in this one? They just put that internal monologue straight out.  Quinny  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah, it was way too vocalised.  Dion  In that. Of like.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, at no point in time. Are you questioning what her thoughts are? I mean, the the they do their best to give you a whole bunch of twists and turns and you know, shouldn’t be just a who’s a good.  Dion  I’m doing this now.  Jill  Yeah, I appreciated that because yeah, there was a lot of moments where I was like, oh, OK.  Quinny  Guy who’s a bad guy.  Jill  It’s not the that’s not what I thought it was. OK, well, we’re going somewhere else on this journey. But Megan, just monologue too much.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Jill  So like all of her motives were like out there.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  But also it felt like it had it had taken it from being a like a a creepy little, you know, stalky horror film like hand that rocks the cradle. Is this this cute thing suddenly deadly? It literally turns it into a candy coated weird sci-fi like superhero film like and I I’m look ************, I’m all down for candy coated superhero sci-fi, but this felt like Shark boy and lava girl a lot more of the time than it felt like Megan.  Jill  Yeah.  Dion  Including that you know the the images, it’s just off to the side there where she looks like love the girl like.  Quinny  You know.  Dion  You’re saying?  Jill  Oh yeah, yeah. That moment from like, the the thing where she was in a costume. I’m like, when I saw that. I’m like, wanna cosplay it?  Dion  Dancing comp the Ayo.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.  Jill  That was, yeah, it was a fun outfit.  Dion  Don’t. Don’t do the dance, though. Do the the original dance like. I mean, that just felt like it was trying to replicate the dance that we saw in the first one. Which was weird. Umm yeah?  Jill  That’s the thing they’re like. How do? We do. Do all of the things from the first one that everybody loves but like, do it again and have them love it again.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  And there was like another I’ll, I’ll say I won’t spoil it for anyone, but it was another musical moment where I was kind of like, ah, OK, it was funny.  Speaker 7  Oh.  Jill  The first time around, but now. I I don’t think I can be in this moment. Seriously.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, I when when we come to talking about this, the spoilery stuff or whatever. Yeah, I’ve got real issues with that like.  Dion  There was some. There was, yeah, there was some genuine like, I mean this is. The thing like I. I think as a whole I didn’t. Really enjoy the film. But.  Speaker  Dion  There were bits in it that I was when I was going through it was like I had a fun time. Like I felt like it was a good fun time and I was going with no, this is moving really. This is moving pretty quickly. It’s it’s complicating itself, but then it’s kind of untangling those complications. I got lots of shades of like 80s movies that I didn’t think I’d get. Like I got a lot of Superman 3, like a lot of Ghostbusters.  Quinny  It was a massive Superman three, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also the Superman 5 nuclear man. I got that too. So was that four. Sorry. Apologies. Sorry.  Quinny  Yeah, there is number. 5.  Dion  No, no, that’s no, that was I was thinking about Highlander 5. But yes, Superman stuff and and some Ghostbusters, some other stuff that was thrown in there. I was kind of like.  Jill  Bit of Metropolis imagery as well.  Quinny  Sure. Very much so.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of twists, which I was like, oh, that was quite a. That was a good twist. Or that was interesting. And then a lot of the other stuff I was like, that’s just this is. Fine, but not great. And yeah, by the end of it, I’m like, I don’t need a myth organ or a mafia.  Quinny  Like I I would be happy to go back and and you know, re explore the Megan math Regan thing like. But I would want like something that went back to formula.  Dion  You know.  Quinny  I want something that is crappy. I want something that is about killer robots that.  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  Yeah. I mean, did Halloween or Friday the 13th, like, ever screw the pooch on the second film?  Quinny  You don’t trust.  Speaker 8  Like.  Quinny  Probably.  Jill  Oh, OK. Well, how do you have like such?  Dion  Yeah.  Jill  A long series in a in a horror franchise still be scary every movie, but like you. Quinny  Know this and this is where this one fell down for me. Is that like it forgot that it was?  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Quinny  Horror movie. Yeah, like it totally, totally lost its its teeth. You know, there, there were a couple of. Heads spun around and stuff like that, but. Jill  Yeah, there was like some gore, but like, that was about it. None of it was like terrifying.  Speaker  But.  Quinny  And there was no, no tension, no thriller like that, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, the the like some of the violence was there and remember it was all committed on the screen. It was mainly committed by the new one. Amelia, which in and sorry acronyms. I’m. Like. Oh, sorry acronyms, not acronyms. Acronyms. People must be sitting down trying to write. How like what name? Is this because of we have to make it into an acronym. I felt that that was a bit of a stretch, but like you know, they had all of those things done by her. But when it came to Megan, you know, nothing very bloody. Dement it happen and then they use a you know, a writing tool to stop her from doing that stuff. And it was so frustrating because that was what you wanted. You wanted this homicidal robot that you don’t trust to do those things which make you not want to trust that you want her to be an unreliable. Narrator.  Jill  Umm yeah, but I kind of felt by the end I was like, ohh, come on, Megan, you can do it like I was cheering her on.  Dion  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Betray them. Betray them. Betray. Yeah.  Speaker 8  Yeah.  Dion  That’s kind of what you’re going for.  Speaker  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah, it was way too much a a hero’s arc.  Dion  And I felt. Like in the.  Jill  Redemption.  Dion  In the in the setup too, you’re you’re given to Gemma the character Gemma. You’re given all the tools at the start of the movie to actually go. You’re being. It and you deserve to have something bad happened to you. You deserve to have your trust broken because you’re being sheet and that was just a bit of a let down to not have that kind.  Quinny  Of thing come through? Yeah. Yeah. Like they were. They were introduced a few new characters. Get rid of them very quickly. In most cases, like you know, and some of the fun, like I I thought Jermaine Clement was having a. Lot of. Fun yes.  Dion  Ohh he’s he’s he’s sort of cameo character was great.  Speaker 8  It is great value.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you ever gonna. If you ever gonna create a tech, bro, you don’t like.  Quinny  Yeah, done, man. And and I, I felt like.  Jill  He works. He wearing a prosthetic chest.  Quinny  100 yeah. Like I love that because it was just so musky. Like it was screaming the ******* Musk. All the way.  Dion  Yeah. And look.  Quinny  I mean, yeah, I would watch Megan versus Chucky, like the new Chucky that is the robot doll version.  Dion  I haven’t seen you.  Quinny  Jackie. Ohh that that one.  Jill  You need.  Quinny  God. Came out a few years ago now I think I’m not like. And then you’ve got the the mystery or you know, mythology of demons versus technology. Yeah.  Dion  Oh. I like, I feel like that. That’s something that they like. They went for that in the third film and it was like Megan versus Chucky. I’d be like, OK, fine. I’m. Back in, we’re.  Quinny  We’re on this, yes.  Dion  Let’s get back to this. It’s about them compare like competing with each other about how to do the most gruesome murder. I’d be like, great. That’s OK. Back on track, you know, steered in, you steered into the skid, and now you’re right. Everything.  Speaker  Yep.  Quinny  Yeah. Because they’ve definitely they’ve they’ve hit this one well and truly sideways, and they’re heading right for the ******* barrier. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like there are moments in it that I laughed and I really enjoyed, like, you know, there’s a a point where Megan takes it over a car and and you know that like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  They’re complaining.  Quinny  Just because I’m a fan of of Knight Rider, I was like no. OK, thank you. But then I thought you may have laid it on a. Little thick there guys.  Dion  Except for its catch.  Jill  Yeah, you can’t imagine Kit saying hold. On to your. Vaginas. Yeah, no.  Quinny  And yeah.  Dion  And that’s what I’m saying. There’s like, catch phrase. Everyone’s laughing, right. And I’m like. No, everyone went. It’s like they you. It was the first. We all know you don’t have one. And secondly, come on. You know you’re supposed to be a 12 year old girl thing or or are you now a teenager because you’re growing up in the AI space.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Dion  You know, and it’s like, OK, you’ve got the the metaphors that you’re going for here, you know, the the difference is everyone has to grow and become different. I’m like, yeah, but that doesn’t mean you go from. Homicidal robot too. Maybe I’m the savior.  Quinny  I mean there, there is some other interesting stuff that I I do want to talk about that is less fun, right?  Jill  Ohh, like the narrative around technology and intelligence.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. Like the there’s, there’s. Like they’re trying to say something here and that’s the thing that occasionally feels.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  Interesting, but also at odds with the kind of film that it is like they’re they’re very definitely making some pretty big swings at, you know, is AI a problem and what is? What are the questions of the the ethics of it and everything. But the thing that got me.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  And that kind of weirded me. Out a little bit. So the guy Christian is, is an AI ethicist and is somebody who’s trying to get AI shut down, basically. There is. There is a podcast I listen to quite regularly and. The weird thing about is the person. One of the two hosts of this one. It’s OK. It’s from a place called the Center for Humane Technology. And they’ve been doing talks and speeches around the world about the AI dilemma and what it’s actually doing to. What? What it’s heading towards, it’s not good. The lead guy of the podcast is a guy called Tristan and the fact that they kept he’s not Tristan. He’s not Christian, he’s Christian. I was like ohh ****. Are you taking a swipe at Tristan?  Jill  Tristan is gone. Ohh, do you think it was like actually?  Quinny  I’m almost 100.  Speaker 8  Quinny  Percent sure they are, because like.  Dion  Come on, let’s be honest. They’re taking a swipe at whoever is anywhere near anything.  Quinny  Yeah. Oh, yeah, like.  Dion  They’re not. It’s it’s a shotgun effect. It’s they’re they’re not sort of sitting there going. Oh, no, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll use the scalpel on this one. And the scalpel on that one, it’s like. You know like. Who’s talking in this space that we can sort of base a few characters around? Yeah, that’s a. Bit of a thing off we go.  Quinny  Yeah, I don’t know. But also the fact that like where they kind of placed it at the end of that, the AI ethicists are actually the bad people. You’re like.  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  Don’t worry though, if don’t worry if the big.  Jill  You they kind of subverted their whole message.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah, totally sure. What you’re saying here, folks?  Dion  If the. Don’t worry, don’t worry if the big, beautiful bill passes, then we’ll have 10 years of sorry, 12 years of unregulated AI stuff in America. So why regulate something if you don’t understand it?  Speaker 4  Ohh.  Dion  Yeah. I know, right?  Quinny  You know, let’s let’s send Miss Reagan to to alligator Auschwitz and she can, like, dance around through the.  Dion  Screen. That’s how it should be called I think. Sorry.  Jill  Yeah, they’re calling it our first cleaning.  Dion  Alligator, Alcatraz.  Quinny  Yeah, that’s what.  Speaker  They’re called.  Quinny  What they’re calling it, I’ve seen the.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Photos that shoots out.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know what this is, right? Right. Yeah.  Quinny  Like the literally, I watched a ******* speech from DJ. He talking about? Ohh yeah. We’ll let people out on day release to farms. I’m like that’s slavery.  Dion  That’s worse. That’s worse, Ryan. OK. Although predicting, thank you for updating me there. Apparently, it has been that that provision was was struck off. So I don’t know, maybe sure.  Speaker 7  Hmm.  Quinny  Sure. Ohh Aski has an idea and I do quite like Meghan goes into Tron. OK. Yep. And and then she can.  Jill  Yeah.  Quinny  Fight Jared Leto.  Dion  Yeah, betrogen. No, but do you know what that? Would do that would be. Because then it would. It would gasify Tron. Be like pink, pink light cycles and things going just just in.  Quinny  Just the right light up.  Dion  Yeah, she’s just she’s just throwing producer money at her. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly how much go for it, actually, to be fair. Yeah. Kind of a Yas. Tron would be a fun aside.  Quinny  Yeah, make it happen to Disney.  Jill  Gastro.  Quinny  The queer eye for the Tron. Guy.  Dion  Yeah, Jared, you’re looking so weird and and orange. It’s the old color. We need pink, pink everywhere. Let’s go. Like you know.  Quinny  Yeah, I would watch that.  Dion  Yeah. Yes, there we go.  Jill  Honey, you’re a winter, not a summer.  Quinny  And the more I think about the first Megan, the more I go. God, I really enjoyed that film. Yeah. And the more I think God, this film was kind of dopey.  Dion  Yeah. Also like, I mean, I. You know, talking about the way that they presented this to it’s like the villain of it is like, oh, it’s just this sorry we we created an assassin bot and it’s gone rogue and now it’s trying to do something and it’s kind of a bit like, so what’s it trying to do? Oh, well, we can’t really tell you till later in the film. And then we’ll explain sort of things. That has to do with photocopiers, and that’s a real plot point. Sorry, but you know, you’ve got this. It doesn’t actually make it like it’s not as bad as you.  Quinny  You know like.  Dion  There’s no great villain there. There’s like in this. It’s easy, it’s cause like, well, Megan’s the murderbot. So she’s bad. And this one, it’s like, OK, are they really bad? Is anyone really bad? Who’s the actual bad person here? And it’s like, no, no, no. Just give us our hat to hang it on. That’s all we’re after. We need a bad thing. Stop the bad thing. We don’t need the twists and the turns.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Yes. Yeah, and the the familial relationship between Gemma and and Katie like that. I was able to hang my head on that. For a lot more like. That still works, and there are actually a couple of bits in there that I really enjoyed. There was 1 moment that I was like oh ******* hell. Where like they they go into a bunker or something like that. And Katie’s cracked the ***** with Gemma. She ever tries to hold her hand, and then Katie just ******* jujitsu’s the **** out of her. And I was like, oh, oh, nice. Oh, sorry. Aikido.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Sorry, which we all know is in a real martial art.  Quinny  Is coming for you right now. Yeah, well. You’ll be here in like 5 to 7.  Dion  Years. I always say that to the Aikido people. Like what are you going to do? Wait to redirect my energy? Just trying to start a fight. It’s all right.  Quinny  It’s never gonna work with my Peter.  Dion  No, exactly.  Speaker  Just.  Quinny  I’m gonna slap your hands.  Dion  Wait. Sorry.  Quinny  Anyway, yeah, like there there are. There are moments in there. There are relationships in there that work, but I feel like.  Jill  Yeah, I think there is definitely a better film that could have been made instead of pandering to the audience. I think wanted this movie, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, I did see an interview briefly with the producer of it who is. So the other thing we haven’t actually mentioned the film. Has tanked really badly.  Jill  Oh.  Quinny  Yeah, like it has not done anything like the numbers they expected. And the producer was saying, yeah, we we probably followed the wrong directions and we have made wrong choices. And yeah, I’ve had a bad weekend.  Jill  Ohh.  Quinny  Which I I feel bad for them because. It must be really hard when you’ve had a massive success. To go. OK. What are the things that worked?  Jill  Here’s what I’ll give you for free, I bet you. All the money in the world, it was a team of white, straight CIS men that decided to write this film. They were like. Oh, OK. Well, if the gays and the girls love this, then let’s just do more of that and they’ll have absolutely like, no. Perspective around what actually made it good in the first place.  Quinny  Yeah, there is. So one of the writers of Aquila Cooper who wrote malignant. But yeah, you have a couple of writers, Gerard Johnson and James Wan.  Jill  James 1 you. Should have ******* known better bro like.  Quinny  He really ******* should have.  Jill  Yeah, cause yeah, he was on the first one as well and like that movie was such a sigh. But this one was just like.  Dion  It feels I know so like it does feel like they as you said it might not.  Jill  Away shante.  Speaker 8  Sashay away.  Dion  They might have fed too much, you know, RuPaul’s Drag Race into the idea. Shut out engine.  Jill  Yeah, 100%.  Quinny  Algorithm.  Dion  Yeah. And I do feel like you’ve got, it’s like a lot more complicated like in the first one, it’s pretty, it’s a pretty simplistic plot, you know? Yeah, it’s not too. It’s not too hard. This one feels like it’s like, oh, we’re going to get way more complicated. It’s bigger. It’s everything we’re going to treat this as a whole thing. You know, she’s now a, you know, internationally recognized. But on these things. You know, the whole thing wasn’t just swept under the rug. It like, you know, the first movie, the the stuff became an international in like, news story and all that kind of. Thing and I’m like, yeah. But no, sometimes it’s better to just be a bit smaller and a bit tighter like. I mean, it could have just been a whole thing of Megan trying to get her body back after being existing. In all these things, and they did have a few notes about that in this film, but I it jumped the shark for me when it went to like, how does Megan Switch herself around in between things? And I was like, wow, this makes. Absolutely no sense.  Jill  Yeah, they could have saved the military grade. Megan’s. For the third movie.  Dion  Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.  Jill  Just build to it. Don’t do it. Don’t go.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, I know. But I mean, you know, like when at what point are we getting to the underground? Club of Megan’s.  Jill  Yeah.  Speaker  Never.  Jill  Yeah, full read. Never go full R word.  Quinny  Yeah, no. True, no.  Dion  Fight Club never go full Fight Club.  Quinny  And this film didn’t. Yet. No. Yeah. OK. Should we rate it? I do. There are a couple of little things I want to talk about in the spoils.  Dion  Yeah, sure. Runtime question that was in there. Yeah, 100. And 20 minutes it didn’t feel over long.  Quinny  To me, I don’t know. No, I was watching it and I I I kind of got to the the third act and I was ready for it to be done. Sure, you know.  Speaker 7  The world.  Quinny  Like I I all I wanted a big enough twist in that third act to make it worthwhile, and I didn’t really get it, so I was like.  Dion  Mean we you know.  Speaker  Sure.  Dion  Well, I mean, yeah, alright. Do you have an idea of ratings? Has anyone said in the chat? Check it, check the. Rating in there you.  Quinny  Yeah. If you’ve seen, it’s put a number, I will look for the number with the the 100 symbol because it helps me.  Dion  I’m going. I was lower and then I raised it back up a couple of notches because a couple of the times I went, that’s actually quite generally funny.  Speaker  To. Work out.  Dion  And especially 1 gag, which I was like. Ohh no, this is the worst. And then by the end of the gag, I was like it. Got better over time. It aged in the moment.  Speaker 7  It.  Dion  It aged in the moment and I went. That’s actually really ******* funny. Like it was awkward and awful and cringe for like 3 minutes and then by.  Speaker  Yes.  Speaker 4  I was like, I’m never doing it again.  Dion  The end of it I was like ohh this.  Speaker 7  Is all they all they just leave.  Speaker 8  And I’m like, actually, yeah, they they held it and you had to keep keep.  Dion  Yeah, don’t you? Don’t you dare go to the ******* chorus. Jill. So. So yeah, mine was lower and now it’s come back up to 60. 5:00 that’s fine.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  OK, down as in as a 65, OK.  Jill  Oh wow. I gave. Megan won 90 last time. I really ******* loved it.  Dion  Wow. Yes, yeah.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  I still enjoyed this. Movie. I’m not gonna be ashamed about enjoying the movie like, especially because it it pandered to my tastes. The only thing that disappointed me was that there was not one horror element left in it, and that was the whole point of it being so great the.  Quinny  Don’t don’t be.  Dion  No.  Speaker 4  Yeah.  Jill  This time. So I mean, I still I. Still loved it. The characters are great. Megan is fantastic, the jokes were dumb. I I lived. Maybe a 75? OK, this time, yeah. If they had had, like, if it was still a true horror film, it would. Probably be another. 90 again but.  Speaker  Yes.  Quinny  Yeah, I’m. I’m. I’m probably gonna. Yeah. Split. No, actually, no. I’m going to close the deal on this one. Like. Yeah, I I. It’s so frustrating watching something where you can see the elements of something really fun and then go. Why did. Where, where, where. Did that go like? Where’s the tension? Where’s the the scares? Where’s the anything that feels slightly? Horrific or, you know, any of that and also, you know, as you said, you know, including shin hottie in there basically means that like if she’s meant to be the scary thing. Then use her as the the scary thing. But she’s not scary.  Jill  No, she’s just sexy and I’m like, can she stalk me?  Quinny  So sexy.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Quinny  I would, yes are you? Are you?  Dion  A guard.  Quinny  I’ll I’ll get. I’ll get chest and and Abby implants too, so. So yeah, I’m. I’m down with dark and I’m about. I’m a 65 as well. I it’s OK, but it’s not a patch on the 1st. 1. And there are a couple of points where I was like, I don’t even remember where Megan got damaged, but then she shows up with the horror of, you know, melted face and stuff. And I was like. Doesn’t feel earned. Doesn’t feel like you know. We. God. Yeah, it’s just, it’s just missing stuff.  Jill  I don’t know. Yeah, they tried to turn. Everything into a gag.  Quinny  They really did. They really, really did. OK, right. We have a a clippity Doo dah or something like.  Dion  We’ve got an extra long clip that I’m going to play the entire thing of, and this is after Miss Reagan has been upgraded. So now she knows Kung Fu.  Speaker  Speaker 1  Just wanted to say great job on those actuators.  Speaker  You’re welcome.  Speaker 1  Hey, so remember the time I strangled you and said the lab on fire? I just wanted to clarify that my programming only allowed me to count principles related to my primary user. As a result, I was unable to see you and Tess as being consequential. But I want you to know that won’t happen again. I want you to know. I see you.  Dion  Is she or? Is she not going to be murder? But again find out more when you go and see Miss Reagan. I’m putting this whole thing up. There we go. Perfect. Covering anyone thing. Yeah.  Jill  All right, we’re all dying to ******* talk about it.  Quinny  What the **** was up with the singing? The musical number that you’re just.  Speaker 8  Like.  Jill  Yeah, yeah, we got a an amazing rendition of titanium in the first film.  Quinny  Hmm.  Jill  Yeah. And this time around we got a bit. Of Kate Bush.  Dion  Redeemed.  Quinny  I didn’t recognize and I. Was just like, what are we? Singing here.  Dion  But I mean like that, that was a joke that I saw like that came up and that’s the one where I’m like, yeah, this is not great. This is just awful. What are they trying to do here? And then they really like, it’s it. I think that’s like a metaphysical like, you know, they’ve they’ve got the meta of this, it’s gone through and they know the inside the actual scene. They’re like this is. ******* terrible.  Speaker  Yeah. Yeah, what?  Speaker 4  Are you doing? Yeah.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. And we’re we’re gonna keep it going to make it uncomfortable. And now it’s funny. Uncomfortable. Yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 7  And.  Dion  Yeah, look.  Jill  Come on. The whole cinema laughed when that.  Dion  Oh yeah, for that one, I was just thinking, man, photocopiers. Why the **** a photocopier is the worst thing? OK, that felt like a gag out of someone who’s like, oh, we saw office space, and we hate printers and stuff, right? So what if we made the actual villain of this entire thing a photocopier? That’s basically been kept at a gulag and is now the worst thing in the plan.  Jill  Ohh. Yeah, that was strange.  Quinny  Strange. Yeah. I mean, though technically not even a photocopier, it was just rob. It was rob from Nintendo.  Jill  Is that true that if you isolate like an AI from anything, it just grows smarter? Like to me that sounds like the complete and. To the system.  Speaker  What would actually happen?  Quinny  It was such periodic concept. That you know. Ohh it’s been left alone. So it’s just gotten more and more dangerous. I’m like, no, it would just be running exactly the same process as over and over and over.  Jill  Also, why is it? Why is it connected to any kind of power?  Dion  Yeah. Just turn it.  Quinny  On using it forward. And and that was the moment the Superman 3 moment where, like, they finally connect to the the black box or whatever the **** it was called. Motherboard. I don’t know. Yeah, the motherboard. And I was like, ohh cool. We gotta get a like. I was really hoping for a weird Superman 3 ******* like.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Electrical **** coming out and overtaking people and like, you know, go full body horror, go a little bit of ******* Cronenberg, you know, really delve deep into the the the almost like. It’s the kind of **** if you’ve set up this horrific AI that has just been stewing in its own evil for 40 years. Then make that some cosmic horror ****. Don’t just make it shin hottie with glowing eyes. I was like, come on, **** sake. Yeah, disappointing. Got very, very angry at that bit.  Jill  Yeah, it was.  Speaker  Strange. And it was, yeah.  Dion  You know, it’s sad that like they made like some of the returning the returning supporting. Cast was also great. Yeah, like their interactions were still good and they were the voice of reason, which is all the audience going. What the **** are you doing? Why you’re even interacting with this thing that tried to kill everyone. UM. And then they try like they do that where, like putting it into that weird robo body, the little kind of one that was, that was actually a cute and fun way of doing that. And then that thing did nothing. And they immediately skipped past that. They moved all the jokes or anything you could have done with it, you know.  Speaker  Ohh yeah. Hmm. Yeah.  Dion  Fun you could have had tough. Yeah. If you have had it. Like in that way.  Quinny  I thought that was going to be half the film.  Dion  For half the film, sure.  Quinny  Again that, yeah.  Jill  Yeah, then earn upgrade.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah. And there was, there was a moment of something that they used that I was like, actually that’s kind of creepy and cool. There was a moment where they’ve been working on a, like, a exosuit that that, you know, helps people move and. And you know, that’s what they’re trying to move people around. And at one point that becomes animated by itself by, you know, something inside it. And I was like, that would have been *******.  Speaker 1  Yippee.  Quinny  You know, in a dark house, this thing that’s coming towards you that moves in completely in human ways.  Jill  If 2/3 of the movie was Megan jumping around things trying to get a new body, and then you pay it off in the third act, you give her a body and she defeats the bad guy that would have.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  **** yeah.  Jill  Worked. So much better than giving her a body at the end of the first act.  Quinny  Yeah, like she she goes through, like, cute little body. Then she goes her own half rebuilt.  Jill  Or if she started out in the weird like exoskeleton thing and then it’s like, Oh my God, it’s Megan. And she’s, like, trying to kill.  Quinny  And then.  Jill  People and. ****. Yeah, and.  Quinny  Yeah.  Jill  Then give her the harmless one. There’s no arm.  Quinny  And.  Dion  Yeah, I’m trying to remember.  Quinny  So much of that would be much more entertaining.  Speaker  A bit.  Dion  The film upgrade, but I was thinking more of like, do you remember the film, the horror film hardware from the 80s?  Speaker  Hmm.  Dion  You know which was about a, you know, a robot that slowly rebuilds itself out of. Junk. All right.  Jill  Ohh ******* poltergeist like.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  You.  Dion  Know yeah that like.  Jill  Possessing inanimate objects.  Quinny  Yeah, like they, they, they, they’ve forgotten the face of their fathers. They have forgotten where they came from. And you know, that’s what.  Jill  The horror films that paved the way? Yeah.  Dion  I mean, they feel like they. Had when they were doing the ideation for and they’re writing all the scenes and they’re thinking about the action pieces that they can have with it. It’s like, great, you’ve got enough content. There. For about what 5 movies? If you, but if you just took each one of those and gone hey. Yeah, exoskeleton version, then you know weird cutesy robot version then like oh body rebuilt version. It’s like great. That’s actually separate.  Jill  Yeah, exactly.  Dion  With cool, creepy things you could do along the way to to to make all that and include that kind of crazy sense of humour. And, you know, sassy attitude.  Jill  Yeah, what if they stumbled upon, you know, Megan rebuilding herself and she’s like, you know, that half created corpse dragging along the.  Dion  Yeah, yeah.  Speaker 4  Floor.  Dion  Exactly who wanted to play a tea party with a little girl? That that’s all she is in her brain. And she’s like I’m 43 years old.  Jill  Kind of. Horror motif.  Speaker 7  I’m not a little.  Dion  Girl anymore. You know, it’s kind of. Like ohh.  Jill  Yeah, they took the cheap way out. I.  Quinny  Think. Yeah. And they went for. Yeah, suffication. And they went for superheroes and they went and.  Dion  I feel like I feel like. They didn’t go for yes vacation. They went for merchandising opportunities.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah.  Dion  You. Know.  Speaker  Yeah.  Jill  The marketing team wrote the movie.  Dion  Yeah, I feel like a little like it looked like, you know, Megan had enough versions in the sequel that you’re like, ohh, that’s an action figure line.  Quinny  Yeah. So we’ve, we’ve, we’ve got sci-fi Robo doll. Megan, we’ve got, like, original Megan Reed rebuilt. We’ve got.  Dion  Assassin Amelia, Cyber Amelia, you know.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, motherboard God. Amelia. Amelia.  Dion  Or, you know, low jacking the brain implant. Megan, which is actually.  Quinny  Hmm yeah. Once again and there was an idea when Megan Labor, I love it, but.  Jill  That’s the one in the. Squirrel outfit, where she’s flying into the Silicon Valley.  Quinny  See and that was the whole number where I went. What the **** did we just become? Like, you know, Tom Cruise. At what point in time did Megan have to become Tom?  Dion  Yeah, exactly.  Jill  She’s a robot. She doesn’t show up on anything. Why is she flying in stealth mission?  Speaker 8  Like.  Quinny  It was dumb. It was just. It’s too dumb. Was Benoit Blunt dumb? Ohhh yeah. But yeah, like on a on a very surface level. Yeah. OK, that’s fun. Yeah, great. But it’s not because it’s dumb and it doesn’t add up to anything. And there are so many better ideas out there. Why aren’t they hiring us?  Dion  I don’t know. Corny start pitching them and then.  Quinny  I guess the well used to be. Have somebody who’s very good at pitching on our team, so maybe we.  Dion  Should, couldn’t you start writing it? Then you hand that writing over to Jill, Jill, Yasir, fly. The **** out of.  Jill  It. Yeah, it’s not within an inch.  Dion  I’ll I’ll add.  Jill  Of its life.  Dion  Yeah. And then she’ll give it to me and I’ll Add all the things that the executives want to cut out so that they feel like they’ve done something. And then we should be able to get it through, no worries. And then Peter, Peter will take all those ideas, screw them up, throw them away and make something worthy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  Sweet, so. Actual thing that it’s doing.  Dion  That has nothing to do with killer robots and more stuff to do with. I don’t know crocodiles. Yeah. And like, sure environment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Worthwhile. Projects.  Quinny  Dion  Well, you know, look, hey, that’s. All I’ve got to say about methadone.  Quinny  So I’m I’m very excited cause what are we doing next week? Folks.  Dion  Next week, you mean for the show or next week for the screening next next Wednesday special time again next Wednesday or we are going back to Dinotopia. That’s right. They made a movie about the Dinotopia books which are quite excellent. So all of those things here now is it seventh film in the franchise of Jurassic something.  Speaker  Yes. Mm-hmm.  Quinny  All I need to know, yes, this is the I I haven’t seen it yet because I came down sick and couldn’t go to the screening.  Dion  Don’t worry, we went for. You.  Quinny  Thank you. Thank you very much. Are they doing Dino riders yet? *************.  Dion  No.  Quinny  Like I don’t understand why this is so hard.  Jill  There’s some Dinos right in the.  Dion  Yeah.  Quinny  Actually, so uncomfortable with that.  Dion  I mean, there was also a lot of.  Jill  And yeah, Karina’s just said Jonathan Bailey’s ****** little glasses pressed to her. Even those ****** little glasses could not save this film.  Speaker 7  Although also next Wednesday, Jill hold hold off for for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Next week.  Quinny  Oh, oh, cards on the table early.  Jill  Everyone knows my love for wanton dinosaur destruction.  Dion  Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s.  Speaker  Yep.  Quinny  I’m and I’m wanton dinosaur.  Jill  Destruction. Yeah, I I, yeah. Still want it.  Dion  Sure. I mean, we’ll do all that and more next Wednesday, but because we’re not, we’re doing it Wednesday because on Tuesday, what are we?  Speaker 4  We’re gonna watch. Yes.  Dion  Which is save us. Save us James Gunn, save.  Quinny  Very excited about that.  Speaker  Us.  Quinny  Just looking forward to Nathan Fillion’s Bowl cut more than.  Dion  Who knows? Who knows what that’s gonna be?  Quinny  Anything.  Speaker 4  Going to. Is he?  Jill  Playing guy Gardner.  Quinny  100%. How have you missed this job?  Jill  I keep saying I got it in the trailer, but I didn’t realize. It was nice.  Quinny  And when you look at it, you like, oh, that’s actually pretty. Much perfect for Guy Gardner.  Dion  Yeah. Yeah. And as long as he’s a complete ****.  Quinny  Yep, yeah. Have you seen the videos where he’s using his ring constructs as just big middle fingers?  Dion  Gotta be he just has to be. I’m like no.  Jill  Ohh God, I’m going to like this movie, aren’t.  Quinny  I I’m looking forward to it, if nothing else, just because there’s a whole bunch of ******* crypto.  Dion  We’ll see. And then at the end.  Quinny  And.  Dion  Of. The month? Yeah. At the end of the month. Don’t forget we’re doing the movie. That’s out today on Netflix, which is the old guard too.  Quinny  Good God, yes.  Dion  Yeah. There you go. You got your homework. Got your stuff there. Hey, just before we all end up, I just want to get a quick, quick litmus test. How are we all feeling about the running man trailer?  Quinny  Yep, Yep. Plenty of stuff out there.  Dion  Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Jill.  Jill  I’ve been doing work at work, which sucks so.  Dion  Did.  Speaker  Well.  Speaker 7  More full you work.  Quinny  Are you at home, which sucks too?  Dion  Yeah, you should just have a window open on your computer that can hide quickly when someone walks past you with trailers running constantly.  Speaker  Do. Hmm.  Jill  How can I hear them?  Dion  One earpod like thing that’s.  Speaker 4  In there. Ohh Glenn Powell.  Quinny  Yes.  Dion  Did you watch the 80s? One Schwarzenegger running man.  Speaker 4  Maybe.  Dion  He’s a convict. He’s being chased down by Dynamo. And change does or and.  Quinny  You. You. Yeah. I was gonna say.  Dion  Like a bunch of 80s wrestlers are the villains in it who are like who have been Yasir fried and have come out and try to hunt down on Schwarzenegger.  Quinny  Exactly. It’s.  Dion  You’ll you’ll love it.  Quinny  It’s very 80s WWF like animal and hawk, ******* the The Undertaker and all that kind of stuff.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Quinny  But the idea being that, yeah, this guy has signed up or has been essentially press ganged into participating in this televised Death Race. Yeah, where? Yeah. American Gladiators chase you all over the place and try. And kill you for real, yeah.  Dion  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And instead of just knock you out, they actually literally cut you and have the chainsaw.  Quinny  And it’s all televised. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s. Yeah. It’s based on Richard Backman book, Our Last Stephen King. Yep. And the original always had a bit of a kind of a darker, more kind of like, social commentary thing of like.  Jill  My cup of tea.  Speaker  Hmm.  Quinny  Could you imagine where our world gotten so bad that people take?  Dion  We’ll do this.  Quinny  A gig. You know where they just possibly get hunted down. But if they survive, they get all the money in the.  Speaker  Yeah.  Quinny  World or whatever. And that was before reality TV became the yeah. Yes, exactly. Like I love that Stephen King was like, oh, this is just reality TV before. OK.  Jill  Dion  Funnily enough, one of the one. Of the things I actually read the.  Quinny  You you have.  Dion  I watched the movie and I read the book and the book has a. Much different ending. Which is way, way ******* darker. Yeah, but now Edgar Wright is remaking the running man, and it’s Glenn Powell. And Glen Powell has been kind of again, press gangle set up to be in this game, and the game is the same sort of thing. But in this world. Of the current state, which is constant surveillance, people around you all the time, everyone has phones and everyone is playing like they’ve got some hunters that are trying to kill you. But if you feed the information of the location to the whereabouts of this person to a hunter, you can win money too.  Jill  Ohh.  Dion  So everyone’s on the hunt for you and you just have to survive 36 hours. That’s it.  Quinny  The the unfortunate thing is now looking at the State of America and like, yeah, you know, ice and stuff. I’m like, oh, ****, this is it’s kind of a little. Bit. ******* close, yeah.  Dion  Yep, I feel like it’s it’s we’re we’re six months away from this actually being a new thing.  Quinny  Mm-hmm. I’m just, yeah, worried that people are gonna go. Let’s do that. Let’s. Do that as as an actor. We’ll see.  Dion  But not here. We haven’t got there that just.  Quinny  No. Yet no, no, we’re we’re, we’re.  Dion  We’re doing OK. Hey, at the moment, look in in in NSW, the rain has stopped. It’s the the the cyclone bomb hasn’t been too bad and the sun’s out. So everything’s great. Peachy keen.  Quinny  Yeah. Yeah, we’re doing alright. You guys doing OK seeing you for.  Dion  Happy days.  Speaker  Yeah, we’re doing that.  Quinny  Dion  A while I don’t know. You’ve been where? D&D’s.  Quinny  Ohh yeah, actually I do want to give a little bit of a shout out to the the wonderful critters of Australia so.  Dion  Like echidnas and.  Quinny  Yep, drop beers. Tie pens.  Dion  Koalas. Kangaroos.  Quinny  Yeah, but yeah, no. Like, I went down to Melbourne last week, which is why I couldn’t do the show to go to.  Dion  And probably where you got.  Quinny  Yes, it’s possibility because that’s where I got the ropes.  Speaker  Sorry to know.  Dion  Anyone else who went to Melbourne to Rod Laver Arena last week? It’s Quinny Quinn gave. You COVID? Yep, all 11,000.  Quinny  Of you. I’m sorry. Sorry. Yeah, but yeah, it was. It was lovely. And, you know another 5 hour show of D&D, which was very entertaining. And Tom Cardy was very, very good. He did both shows very, very entertaining. Held his own against, you know, people who have been doing this for 10 years. And yeah, there’s nothing quite like seeing 11,000 ******* Dean Dean, nerds singing along to a, you know, a song and shining all their lights. It was it was like going to a massive music concert. But you watch them do maths on stage. Like at one point I’m pretty sure somebody was like adding up this goals and was like. 11,000 people watching me do maths. This is like every nightmare. I’ve ever had.  Dion  That’s good.  Quinny  Yeah. And we saw Tari, who was in the chat before. But I don’t think he’s there anymore. Yeah, and.  Dion  Ohh.  Quinny  You got a pretty unitary. Pretty kangaroo in Sydney, Tara and Melbourne caught up with some friends, had a lovely time. Generally it was ******* delightful and I have been paying for it ever since it’s been so.  Speaker  No.  Dion  Excellent.  Quinny  I’ve been watching a lot of TV. I watched weird TV show called Scavengers Reign and everybody should check it out. Actually, no, I’m I’m not going to say that. It is the weirdest ******* animated series I’ve ever watched and. It’s. I I have a thing called trypophobia. Where you know, seeing holes and uneven patterns and stuff like that creeps me the **** out. This show is just all that. It’s just Cronenberg body horror, ******* weird, alien mushroom, creepy. Oddness. But it’s really quite cool. Like very slow burn. Very weird. Have you ever seen the art of Mobius, the French designer?  Jill  Right.  Dion  Yes, I know of moob the moob.  Quinny  Yeah, it’s. It’s like a lot of that anyway. No, I didn’t go to the Lego Star Wars exhibition. I’m sorry.  Dion  How dare you? You’re not one of us anymore, Connie. I’m looking forward to going seeing some soccer soon. Oh.  Jill  Yes, we yes off to see Wrexham. I have, yes.  Quinny  Ohh Yep. Have you watched the last of the episodes? Of this season.  Dion  I have not. Yeah, I have not. Yeah. And Jill, you going to get your wrestle on soon?  Jill  Try again, yes. I am. I got *******.  Speaker 4  Tickets to ******* WWE.  Jill  In October, I’m going to smack down. I’m going to crown jewel. I’m going to roar. **** yeah.  Dion  Nice.  Quinny  That’s so cool. Where’s that on here in Sydney?  Jill  Or no? Is it the RC in Perth?  Speaker 7  Oh.  Quinny  They often go to Perth. I don’t know why.  Jill  Because they have a three-year contract with WA government.  Quinny  Ohh, I always wondered why like because that’s a long ******* way to go.  Speaker  Yeah.  Dion  Yes, but also the WA government has money and also all of the FIFO workers over there probably really do like the.  Speaker 7  Wrestling that’s be honest.  Quinny  Yeah, yeah. True.  Dion  That’s that thing.  Quinny  We’re well and truly down for.  Dion  That’s creating a stereotype and I’m like, I don’t care to that.  Quinny  That.  Jill  Very, very excited, though it was a little bit of a Taylor Swift moment trying to get the tickets. Ohh, we got them. We got the.  Quinny  There.  Dion  Got the tickets.  Quinny  Well done.  Dion  Yeah, and that’s just trying think what else is coming out this week? Ohh, naked gun at the end of the month and Fantastic Four. So.  Quinny  Yeah, and and our, our, we are definitely keen to try and sort out Fantastic Four but yeah, we’ll we’ll see what happens like.  Dion  Yeah, we’ll see what happens. Who knows, there’s currently. There’s currently rumours that Pedro Pascal might even be here for the premier, which is making everyone panic. That who? Yeah, like I don’t.  Jill  Get the *******.  Quinny  So so if if he’s here for the premiere, we probably won’t be going to the screening.  Dion  No, we won’t be able to get within 400 kilometres of the screening cause of. Gaming.  Quinny  Yeah, ohh all of them are. Coming for it. Yeah, I. Mean we’re definitely not going to Australia.  Dion  No. Yeah. Maybe we will. Who? Who? Who knows? Like, you know, they’re just gonna do their thing.  Quinny  Put the request in but you know.  Dion  Yeah. Who? Who knows?  Quinny  Pretty Kangas you said. Yeah, strange new worlds coming back at the end of the week. End of the month.  Jill  Ohh no I have to resub to. Paramount back.  Quinny  Yeah.  Dion  Y

In July 2024, I visited the Ferry Building in San Francisco to sit down with CapitalG partners Jill (Greenberg) Chase and James Luo. As Alphabet's growth-stage VC fund, CapitalG specializes in backing startups that have found product-market fit and are ready to scale with investments ranging from $50M to $200M. We talked about the key signals that indicate a company is ready for growth-stage investment, how CapitalG leverages Google and Alphabet resources to boost its portfolio, and their frameworks for assessing risk and potential returns. We also spent time talking about the importance of go-to-market strategies, team-building, and product partnerships. Whether you're an early-stage founder or curious about what it takes to scale a business to the next level, this conversation offers actionable insights into navigating growth-stage funding. Runtime: 53:05 EPISODE BREAKDOWN (1:57) A general overview of CapitalG and its relationship to Alphabet and Google. (6:11) What are some of the early signals indicating that a company is at growth stage? (8:33) James: “When you get to the later stages, you have a ton of different data points that you don't have at the Series B.” (12:53) Jill: “We talk a lot about the concept of, “are you paid for the risk that you're taking?” (18:53) Jill: “Our job when things aren't going so well is to remind them of the dream and to say, ‘no, we're not giving up.'” (19:30) Which trends and technology are Jill and James following these days? (25:25) James' framework for sizing TAM for growth-stage startups. (30:50) James: “TAM is a judgment call. It's as much art as it is science.” (32:28) Jill on what separates a high-potential AI startup from the rest of the pack. (38:29) Jill: “The way we approach investing at CapitalG is highly thematic and sort of thesis-driven.” (44:50) Why growth-stage investing is similar to park rangers looking for forest fires. (48:45) James: “You're basically never going to find somebody who's amazing at every possible thing that you need to do to run a business.” (51:01) Jill: “It is a huge red flag for me when somebody can't say, ‘yep, I was wrong about this.'” LINKS Jill (Greenberg) Chasejillgreenberg@capitalg.com James Luo CapitalGRobinhood Stripe Magic Rippling San Francisco Ferry Building

WDAV and the Fair Play Music Equity Initiative continue the second season of NoteWorthy virtual concerts with R&B artist Nia J joined by flutist Jill O’Neill and violist Ben Geller. We speak to the trio about how well they bonded as a group, and how the addition of the classical instruments helped “breathe some life back” into the singer-songwriter’s music. Nia J Ben Geller Jill O'Neill Transcript Frank Dominguez : This is Frank Dominguez for WDAV’s Piedmont Arts. On Wednesday, August 24 at 7:30 PM, WDAV continues its second season of NoteWorthy virtual concerts presented in partnership with the FAIR PLAY Music Equity Initiative. The series brings together gifted Black and brown artists from the Charlotte music scene with classical musicians for some genre blending and community building. This time, we’re teaming R&B singer-songwriter Nia J with flutist Jill O’Neill and violist Ben Geller. The trio joins me now via Zoom. Thanks, everyone! Jill O’Neill : Thanks for having us. Nia J : Yeah, excited to be here. Frank : Nia, R&B is a category of music that's really as broad and varied as classical music in terms of its range of sounds and artists. So who are some of the musicians, from R&B or otherwise, who have had an influence on your music? Nia : I would say Jhené Aiko comes to mind. I really like her harmonies and the really melodic tunes that she is able to achieve. And just that it’s really peaceful. I like for my music to be tranquil and have that really peaceful state. I really like Daniel Caesar as well. Same thing as far as harmonies - I really like the way that he writes. Both completely different artists, but those are two that come to mind when I think of R&B artists that inspire me. Frank : And if I were asking you to describe what R&B means to you, how would you talk about that? Nia : I don’t know, it's kind of limitless right now! There's no sound that is unique to it at the moment, everyone's taking their own direction with it. I think it gets back to the lyrics. The lyrics are really soulful, I think the message is usually pretty powerful. And I like the contemporary stance that a lot of artists are taking, where we're fusing different genres into it. Frank : Jill, you are a flute professor at Winthrop University and you teach Music Appreciation, but in addition, your resume also includes the Charlotte School of Rock and courses in the History of Rock and Roll. How did you come by this eclectic streak? Jill : It actually doesn't seem eclectic to me, I don't know why it does to everybody else. (Laughs) You know, I grew up listening to heavy metal and punk and being a kid in the 80’s. Yes, I play a very… solit(ary), shall I say, girly instrument. Most of my teachers were men when I was a kid. (The flute) is seen as that frilly, fluffy, pretty, very vocal instrument, but that actually is very unlike me as a human and as a musician. When I have to play flute, I really have to bring myself into Nia’s way of thinking. I really have to calm myself down and try to contain it. Because that’s not the kind of music I really listen to and the two bands that I played with, it’s not pretty flute music. It’s kind of heavy, loud, grinding… and that’s just the kind of person I am. So, when I’m playing drums, I actually sometimes feel more like myself. But the flute is my life. I started playing piccolo when I was six, so of course, everybody insisted that I gravitate towards the flute as well, so I played both. And alto flute and bass flute. But that’s just one very small part of me. I think as a teacher, that’s what I bring to the table, because I make sure that all my students can do everything. I always say, “the more you do, the more marketable you are, so don’t pigeonhole yourself!” Frank : Great point. Ben, most of WDAV’s listeners are used to seeing you in evening wear at concerts by the Charlotte Symphony Orchestra. What is the appeal for you personally about stepping outside your usual circle and collaborating with Nia J on this project? Ben Geller : Well, it's… that pigeonholing that Jill was talking about, that’s more of my life. I think when I was younger, I had broader interests, and as I got older, I wanted to focus more and more, and eventually orchestral viola kind of took over my life. Not to say I don't love it, but I miss doing more out of the box stuff. And playing in the orchestra does get you a decent amount of variety. We play all kinds of classical music and modern stuff. But being a directly contributing partner to a project like this was… I mean, I love that. Nia’s got such a unique voice, a beautiful voice, and great songwriting. And working with another colleague in Jill, who brings this whole varied background… this was so much fun. I wish we could do this all of the time, always. Jill : Hear that, Nia? (Laughs) Hint! Ben : Stand by. Nia : Taking the hint. Frank : That's really great to see the obvious bond that has formed between the three of you. Nia, I'm interested in your creative process for writing songs. Are you thinking about the audience and their expectations of you, or are you perhaps more driven by your own experiences and emotions? How does it work for you? Nia : I think anytime I try to start with the audience, it just doesn't work. So usually, it's best if I think about how I'm feeling and experiences that I'd like to share, and usually I get lucky and those experiences can be related to by others and people who are listening. So I just try to be authentic in why I'm writing and taking from my experiences and then just hoping that people will connect. Frank : Jill, I have another question for you. And given that you demonstrated you're not the stereotypical flutist that some people might have in mind, how did you go about working with Nia? What form did the collaboration take? Jill : You know what, it was really easy. She had sent Ben and I her music quite some time before we got together, and Ben and I just kind of had - immediately, I mean, we’ve known each other and played with each other for a long time - we just had a sense of what each song needed from us. So that's why I ended up just grabbing a whole bunch of different instruments before I left because we had no idea what was going to come of rehearsals. It was a neat kind of hodgepodge of listen to a tune, grab a different instrument, try something… substitute one instrument for another, until we just found it. I don't think that's a secret. I think that's the way most people write music. So it was fun for us to have that beautiful base of stuff that she had already written. It made our jobs really easy, don’t you think, Ben? (Laughs) It really wasn’t taxing for us. We did have to decide a few times, and Nia was really prominent in the conversations, about how much of the music do we keep and add us on to, versus trying to have us recreate that. It wasn’t an easy task when Ben and I felt like, “Oh my God, we have to play flute and viola. How are we going to make her music sound (right)?” That was really scary. Until she had this look on her face, like “No, you don’t have to do that. You can do anything you want.” And as soon as we realized that, it was on. I mean, we just kind of went crazy. And when Ben got out his mandolin, Nia just looked at me like, “Yeah. This is going. This is what we want.” Frank : Ben, how about you? What was the transition to playing music in this sort of milieu? Easy, or difficult, or how did you manage it? Ben : You know, viola is a backup instrument. We don’t… it's not always “spotlight” for us, for sure. So thinking about it in this vein was a little bit (of) where I live, in how to best support a good clear melody. And viola didn’t always make sense, so I happen to have this wonderful mandolin that I love and don't play enough of, and it seemed to fit on a few of Nia’s songs, so we kept using it. Frank : One definite message I'm getting from this is that there's a lot more to the contemporary classical musician than first meets the eye and than I think the average audience member might realize, not only in terms of your training and background but your interests and the ways you express yourself. Nia, when you were getting ready for this NoteWorthy concert, did you have any role in playing… in terms of choosing the instruments or the musicians who would be performing with you? Nia : I wasn't really picky. They asked what types of instruments (I’d like), and I’m like, “I don’t know!” It’s been a while since I’ve worked with classical musicians. I did choir, and we always performed alongside classical musicians, but that was in high school, so I’m like, “Whatever you think sounds like it will fit with my music.” I was randomly paired with Jill and Ben, and it was great because Jill… the first day that we rehearsed, she brought like fifty different instruments. So it was nice that we could experiment, as they were saying, and just play around to see what worked and what didn’t. I had no idea what route I would take with it. Frank : I’m going to give you the last word, Nia, and ask you what stands out for you as the most memorable part of working with Jill and Ben specifically as classically trained musicians? What did that combination bring to the songs you had written and have been performing? Nia : I think they definitely helped breathe some life back into the music. After performing the same songs over and over again, sometimes you lose touch with them. So working with Jill and Ben helped me reconnect with them in a way that I hope the audience will see when they watch the performance. And just who they are as people, too. I’ve grown really fond of you guys, and getting to work together was awesome. I’m just really grateful to have gotten to meet both of them. Frank : My guests have been R&B singer-songwriter Nia J and flutist Jill O’Neill, as well as violist Ben Geller. On Wednesday, August 24th at 7:30 PM, you can hear them perform when WDAV continues the second season of NoteWorthy virtual concerts, presented in partnership with the FAIR PLAY Music Equity Initiative. The series brings together gifted Black and brown artists from the Charlotte music scene with classical musicians for some genre blending and community building music. And you can watch WDAV’s YouTube channel to catch the video or WDAV’s Facebook page. You can also get more information about the artists and the series from noteworthyclassical.org. Thank you, everyone, for speaking with me. Jill : Thanks, Frank. Ben : Thanks for having us, Frank. Nia : Thanks! Frank : For WDAV’s Piedmont Arts, I’m Frank Dominguez.

Jack Thursday - Chasing Zero (LA 1771) Transcript: Steve and Jill here. Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from the valley of the sun. Steve: Today is Jack Thursday and I'm going to talk about this concept I created quite some time ago that just doesn't seem to die. It's sung to some people called Chasing Zero. Jill: I'm excited. I love it. This comes up often. I'm trying to think of, probably because of career path, it comes up in career path. You talk about it and we've done a few shows on this. This whole topic and this description intrigues people, myself included. So, I'm glad we're doing another show on this today. Steve: Good, Jill. Before we get into it though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free and don't forget to subscribe to the Land Academy YouTube channel. Comment on the shows you like. Jill: Josh wrote, "Hi all, new guy here with a quick question. Got my first mailer and I'm getting some responses. Tried to bring my wife into the operation/discussion, but she's having a hard time wrapping her head around the vacant land, then I mentioned houses. Her interest peaked quite a bit and she's been looking at the House Academy public website. Curious of your thoughts on House Academy training business model, and if any other newbies are doing both, or houses exclusively. Likewise, any thoughts as to why the House Academy podcast and overall focus from Jack and Jill has waned a bit? Market? Just making that model less appealing? Feel free to PM me if that's easier." Oh, I love it. This is good. Steve: This is a very popular topic on discord. Jill: Yep. Steve: There is a lot of responses to this. Jill: I bet. Steve: I love buying and selling houses. Jill: Me too. Steve: Right now it is the most competitive I've ever seen it in my entire career. Jill: And I don't want to play. Steve: If you talk to any homeowner, especially in those target areas, with mid range, two, three, four hundred thousand dollars, buy it for 300, sell it for 400 without any real renovation, they'll tell you that they get two or three offers a week. Jill: Right. Steve: And very frustrated. They'll tell you in a very slam it down on the desk frustrated way. We don't care to run with that, so much competition. We could make it work. We've done it. When the market ... and everybody said this on discord. Jill: Isn't that funny? Steve: I'm reiterating it. When a market chills out a little we'll get back into it. Jill: It seems counterintuitive, but you're like, "Wait a minute. Why would you want now to buy houses and jump in the pool when it's so hot because everything sells so fast?" But, Steven's right, because of the whole way that we operate everything is buying it right. If I'm in a bidding war with somebody else, I'm not buying it right. It's just too nutty. I like it to be slowed down a little bit, not as much competition, I can get some smoking deals, mark it up very effectively, and then sell it and move on. Steve: Here's the truth. Jill: But I like houses, too. Steve: Here's the truth time. If somebody put a gun to my head and said, "You're going to buy and sell houses now." I would sit down. I would run data like I run it now with some changes, and then I would look at the pretty rural markets that are pretty solidly served by useful internet service providers so you can get a good connection, because everybody seems to be ... more and more people are working from home and moving out into outlying areas. So I could choose the right rural markets and buy and sell houses all day long. Jill: Correct. Steve: The fact is, and if I had a nickel for every Land Academy member that came to Jill and I and said, "Wow, thank you. I'm so much out of the house business now. It's so much easier and more profitable to buy and sell land.

Jack Thursday - Chasing Zero (LA 1771) Transcript: Steve and Jill here. Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from the valley of the sun. Steve: Today is Jack Thursday and I'm going to talk about this concept I created quite some time ago that just doesn't seem to die. It's sung to some people called Chasing Zero. Jill: I'm excited. I love it. This comes up often. I'm trying to think of, probably because of career path, it comes up in career path. You talk about it and we've done a few shows on this. This whole topic and this description intrigues people, myself included. So, I'm glad we're doing another show on this today. Steve: Good, Jill. Before we get into it though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free and don't forget to subscribe to the Land Academy YouTube channel. Comment on the shows you like. Jill: Josh wrote, "Hi all, new guy here with a quick question. Got my first mailer and I'm getting some responses. Tried to bring my wife into the operation/discussion, but she's having a hard time wrapping her head around the vacant land, then I mentioned houses. Her interest peaked quite a bit and she's been looking at the House Academy public website. Curious of your thoughts on House Academy training business model, and if any other newbies are doing both, or houses exclusively. Likewise, any thoughts as to why the House Academy podcast and overall focus from Jack and Jill has waned a bit? Market? Just making that model less appealing? Feel free to PM me if that's easier." Oh, I love it. This is good. Steve: This is a very popular topic on discord. Jill: Yep. Steve: There is a lot of responses to this. Jill: I bet. Steve: I love buying and selling houses. Jill: Me too. Steve: Right now it is the most competitive I've ever seen it in my entire career. Jill: And I don't want to play. Steve: If you talk to any homeowner, especially in those target areas, with mid range, two, three, four hundred thousand dollars, buy it for 300, sell it for 400 without any real renovation, they'll tell you that they get two or three offers a week. Jill: Right. Steve: And very frustrated. They'll tell you in a very slam it down on the desk frustrated way. We don't care to run with that, so much competition. We could make it work. We've done it. When the market ... and everybody said this on discord. Jill: Isn't that funny? Steve: I'm reiterating it. When a market chills out a little we'll get back into it. Jill: It seems counterintuitive, but you're like, "Wait a minute. Why would you want now to buy houses and jump in the pool when it's so hot because everything sells so fast?" But, Steven's right, because of the whole way that we operate everything is buying it right. If I'm in a bidding war with somebody else, I'm not buying it right. It's just too nutty. I like it to be slowed down a little bit, not as much competition, I can get some smoking deals, mark it up very effectively, and then sell it and move on. Steve: Here's the truth. Jill: But I like houses, too. Steve: Here's the truth time. If somebody put a gun to my head and said, "You're going to buy and sell houses now." I would sit down. I would run data like I run it now with some changes, and then I would look at the pretty rural markets that are pretty solidly served by useful internet service providers so you can get a good connection, because everybody seems to be ... more and more people are working from home and moving out into outlying areas. So I could choose the right rural markets and buy and sell houses all day long. Jill: Correct. Steve: The fact is, and if I had a nickel for every Land Academy member that came to Jill and I and said, "Wow, thank you. I'm so much out of the house business now. It's so much easier and more profitable to buy and sell land.

Jack Thursday - Chasing Zero (LA 1771) Transcript: Steve and Jill here. Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from the valley of the sun. Steve: Today is Jack Thursday and I'm going to talk about this concept I created quite some time ago that just doesn't seem to die. It's sung to some people called Chasing Zero. Jill: I'm excited. I love it. This comes up often. I'm trying to think of, probably because of career path, it comes up in career path. You talk about it and we've done a few shows on this. This whole topic and this description intrigues people, myself included. So, I'm glad we're doing another show on this today. Steve: Good, Jill. Before we get into it though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free and don't forget to subscribe to the Land Academy YouTube channel. Comment on the shows you like. Jill: Josh wrote, "Hi all, new guy here with a quick question. Got my first mailer and I'm getting some responses. Tried to bring my wife into the operation/discussion, but she's having a hard time wrapping her head around the vacant land, then I mentioned houses. Her interest peaked quite a bit and she's been looking at the House Academy public website. Curious of your thoughts on House Academy training business model, and if any other newbies are doing both, or houses exclusively. Likewise, any thoughts as to why the House Academy podcast and overall focus from Jack and Jill has waned a bit? Market? Just making that model less appealing? Feel free to PM me if that's easier." Oh, I love it. This is good. Steve: This is a very popular topic on discord. Jill: Yep. Steve: There is a lot of responses to this. Jill: I bet. Steve: I love buying and selling houses. Jill: Me too. Steve: Right now it is the most competitive I've ever seen it in my entire career. Jill: And I don't want to play. Steve: If you talk to any homeowner, especially in those target areas, with mid range, two, three, four hundred thousand dollars, buy it for 300, sell it for 400 without any real renovation, they'll tell you that they get two or three offers a week. Jill: Right. Steve: And very frustrated. They'll tell you in a very slam it down on the desk frustrated way. We don't care to run with that, so much competition. We could make it work. We've done it. When the market ... and everybody said this on discord. Jill: Isn't that funny? Steve: I'm reiterating it. When a market chills out a little we'll get back into it. Jill: It seems counterintuitive, but you're like, "Wait a minute. Why would you want now to buy houses and jump in the pool when it's so hot because everything sells so fast?" But, Steven's right, because of the whole way that we operate everything is buying it right. If I'm in a bidding war with somebody else, I'm not buying it right. It's just too nutty. I like it to be slowed down a little bit, not as much competition, I can get some smoking deals, mark it up very effectively, and then sell it and move on. Steve: Here's the truth. Jill: But I like houses, too. Steve: Here's the truth time. If somebody put a gun to my head and said, "You're going to buy and sell houses now." I would sit down. I would run data like I run it now with some changes, and then I would look at the pretty rural markets that are pretty solidly served by useful internet service providers so you can get a good connection, because everybody seems to be ... more and more people are working from home and moving out into outlying areas. So I could choose the right rural markets and buy and sell houses all day long. Jill: Correct. Steve: The fact is, and if I had a nickel for every Land Academy member that came to Jill and I and said, "Wow, thank you. I'm so much out of the house business now. It's so much easier and more profitable to buy and sell land.

HIGHLIGHTSFrom law school to working in the music businessDealing with mental illness in the familyLife is a continuous healing process We all need some kindness in lifeBringing people together with conscious acts of kindnessLet life lead you to where you need to be Linking up with kindness communities all over the worldIt's time to put ourselves firstBe intentional about doing good thingsQUOTESJill: "Life is a big journey. We're always learning and growing and keeping on. I think that's a big piece. Do what you need to do to heal whatever is holding us back, because otherwise it's just going to keep holding you back."Jill: "When we grow up, many of us as hurt little children, there's a part of us that needs and longs for kindness. Whether it's a kind word, whether it's a hug, whatever we need. I think as human beings we all need kindness. I mean, who doesn't? It is the balm that cures." Anniece: "I think the way to listen best is to be present first." Jill: "It's time to see what else flows in and to let life lead me and to pay attention to what is exciting to me, what lights me up, what feels dull, what was time to let go of. And frankly, here we are again, in the pandemic time, I have look again: what lights me up, where am I ready to let go."Anniece: "I love your kindness communities because we all know in that word itself, in community, is the word unity. That's how we come together. And in compassion is the word compass. So you can never guide a light with another until you have compassion."Jill: "Forget random acts of kindness. Can we practice conscious acts of kindness, please? That's what I'm putting out to all of you, is to practice a conscious act of kindness everyday, at least one."Jill: "Let's take the opportunity first to be grateful for what we have, and give of what we have, so that we're able to receive more."Connect with Jill in the links below:Email: support@jilllublin.comWebsite: https://jilllublin.com/Books: https://www.amazon.com/Jill-Lublin/e/B001IQX7LY%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_shareVisit Anniece's website: https://www.annieca.com/.Follow Anniece on her socials:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnniecaInsuranceLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/anniecaInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/annieca_com/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYCyARfbz1NIPvjT8hIVZrw?fbclid=IwAR0jhtipM_DXOPafp-IZdDr8qLSX9-eApgDlLyI9m-WJfF9OAJ9Zo5oMp0wTwitter: https://twitter.com/AnniecaMergers

On this episode Ms. Jill Garvin, Wing Director of Psychological Health, speaks to Ms. Kristen Alexander about the importance of communication, connection and community when it comes to relationships. Ms. Kristen Alexander is a Heroes In Transition spouses group coordinator. Heroes In Transition provides many family, couples and veterans programs to our community. heroesintransition.org ------SCRIPT------ Jill: hello everybody this is Jill Garvin the director of psychological health for the 102nd Intelligence Wing welcome back to our wellness podcast today I have Kristen Alexander here with us she is from heroes and transition a lot of you have probably heard about them one of my favorite organizations and favorite people they assist veterans and military families and do a lot for our community and for a lot of our members here at the 102nd actually Kristen and her husband John they are both couples group facilitators and Kristin is the spouse's group facilitator and John is the veterans facilitator co-facilitator am I saying that the right facilitators right Kristen: yeah coordinators facilities that's what I have to say it's all good Jill: yeah so coordinators I apologize so one of the reasons I wanted to talk to Kristen about some of the programs and offerings that that heroes in transition has is because a lot of people i'm finding especially since Covid have really been struggling in relationships marriages that have broken apart or relationships that are really really struggling and a lot of people are struggling right now and I have definitely had an uptick in in my office and my arena around people struggling with that and heroes in transition certainly has stepped up during Covid and and is offering a lot of different things to meet the needs of our veterans and their families and since Kristen is involved in the the program for for couples and and in relationships I wanted her to tell us about what they're doing and introduce yourself and tell us how did you get involved with heroes in transition you and your husband you know give us a little a little background Kristen: awesome thanks Jill so my name is Kristen Alexander as Jill said and we are going into our fifth year with heroes it is my husband had started with them in a conversation of facilitating a veterans group and carrying that on and I was kind of like yeah well there’s spouses two so because my husband's a veteran so we've been through the deployments and you know all the things and so that really sparked an awesome conversation about starting with couples first and building the trust there and then breaking off and doing kind of separate groups so we started from the grassroots up and we started with the couples group we created a couples group and it just has continued to grow and grow and grow now that we have now we have to do lotteries for our events Jill: Wow Kristen: yeah so it's been amazing and it's been amazing to see the growth not only just within the organization in the group but the growth and the friendships that have come together because of that space Jill: i've heard some amazing feedback from our members that have gone on some of the couples events and retreats and it sounds like it is really well planned and just very therapeutic and amazing Kristen: yeah it's really great coming from because i'm not a therapist you know I don't i'm a spouse you know I am half of the married couple so that's the role that we take with it is you know creating the relatedness of another angle you know and what that does is that opens up the door for more conversation for maybe more needs that whether it be the veteran or the couple or the spouse might need they tend to be a little bit more open to maybe furthering on with other areas but you know reading just some of the things that you know we get feedback on and with covet it's been tough because a big part of what we do is we would do we do monthly we do bi-monthly events so what we do is we do like last month February was a couple's group event and we did a virtual valentine's dinner that was amazing and then this month we'll do the veterans will do an event and the spouses will do events separate and then the month after april we'll go back to a couple so we kind of alternate so it kind of it builds up the individuality because to be able to be strong as a couple you have to have your you have to know who you are right like so you still have to have that sense of self and independence Jill: yeah Kristen: because sometimes that goes away as a military spouse right but thank goodness for zoom we've been able to go virtual and it was like hey we don't have to give up everything but it has been a big part of like I said what we do is we would do an event to kind of get people together socializing that kind of thing and then we would do dinner and not being able to do the dinner was a fear that we would lose that connection because when you're sitting down having dinner and that's where the connections are coming in the smaller conversations and you know that kind of thing and but we've been able to through being virtual we've been able to still somewhat keep that connection and we've actually had a lot of new people join us which has been great because a lot of people don't feel comfortable coming into a group Jill: right Kristen: so the virtual aspect has been a blessing there's a blessing in everything as we know has been a blessing to allow people that maybe would feel a little bit intimidated or uncomfortable to be around people physically at first Jill: yeah Kristen: to kind of come in this way you know and like one of the things was feedback we got was it's such a pleasure knowing that in difficult times we can still grow and adapt to continue to get to get out there and build your support group you know so just knowing that providing that space for them you know and don't think we're not getting anything from it Jill: of course yeah Kristen: you know it's just it's it's pretty amazing Jill: so so how did you and john so you're doing this as a as a couple right obviously and what what kind since you're a spouse as well what sorts of things have helped you along your journey in marriage as a military spouse what what things have helped the two of you stay married Kristen: yeah so there's that yeah communication for sure and a lot of what takes a long time is to really learn how to listen and listen in a way that you're you get the intention of the conversation right so it's like kind of building those skills you know and it lit I remember when we went to therapy back in the day you know and just one of the exercises that we had to do was sit back to back and take take 10 minutes talking taking turns because then you're not interrupting Jill: yeah Kristen: he couldn't see my face because he doesn't because I was a crier I might still be but you know doing things like that you know so like some of one of the exercises that we did during one of our retreats was it was called the recreation exercise so one partner would say something and then would express whatever they were gonna express and then the other partner would come back and say okay so I heard this is what I heard and would say it back and then they would have a conversation did they really hear what that person was saying Jill: yeah Kristen: you know so it's really and it's just practice and when times get crazy we all fall out of it a little bit so those these reminders of the things that we do and we continue to really put in how important communication is is a good reminder for everyone that you just can't be successful without communication Jill: yeah communication is so key Kristen: yeah Jill: and i'm glad you mentioned well just an idea of one of the things that you do on the at the retreat yeah tell us a little bit what are the events like what do you do Kristen: yeah so we have twice a year so we do that every other month so that every month there is a an event for a veteran spouse Jill: and what type of events the this month Kristen: for the spouses I am running a i'm leading a vision board workshop so we all and we're gonna focus on hope like what can we bring you know what can we create and really just kind of getting down I have a whole worksheet there's a process it's not just cutting out pictures and pasting them they're gonna we're gonna do some digging you know in creating and with that the veterans this month are doing they're doing yoga and meditation which is awesome Jill: with Sarah right Kristen: yeah yep saturday we love Sarah yeah and also too I know they're still doing they do some work with Marie Bartram also and I know that they're still doing some like weekly virtual events too just to kind of keep people connected which is super important every saturday I do a spouse's coffee chat virtual which has really been a huge part of staying connected you know about Jill: I love that kind of thing what time is that Kristen: 9 a.m on saturdays and we do have a facebook group for couples and we also have email lists that I can give you you know when we before we wrap up how people can get connected to that kind of stuff but what we do I want to a couple of our biggest things is twice a year we do a couples retreat so we you know and they both have a little bit of a different focus one of the couple's retreats is really about building the community in teamwork you know also working on communication skills with each other but like building community and just really getting that you're not by yourself in this you're you've got people you know and then the other one is really digging deeper into your relationship in really just looking at how you can work on those communication skills different things different exercises that you can do how to communicate in a way that is effective because there's all different levels of communication Jill: It is a skill Kristen: as we know and to be able to communicate effectively is a huge skill you know and you know unfortunately we're not born with it we have to create it and but we also have to be committed to it Jill: yeah Kristen: you know and really just being able to get on each to get on each other's level really just listen to the other person you know one of the things that we learned was doing a daily temperature reading and what that is is you just there's like five different topics and you take turns and there's no discussion about it you're literally just filling in this is what's happening this is what's new blah blah blah you know whatever that kind of thing Jill: nice Kristen: yeah it's really cool Jill: well I was going to say you mentioned uh community connection communication and committed and just that just paints such a wonderful picture on yeah how we have successful relationships whether they're friendships or romantic relationships in our marriages but especially that connection piece and I love that you guys are keeping folks connected Kristen: yeah thank you it's you know and really just looking at again some of the things that they give us back you know the feedback like what stands out is reconnect relearning love languages you know that kind of stuff really just having one-on-one time to themselves instead of always being a parent oracle or a worker or you know something like that and what happens is a lot of times they don't especially with our military families and couples they don't have family here you know so they don't really get a lot of that one-on-one time you know so now when events come up they're a little bit more apt to look you know might look for a babysitter and make that extra effort to get that one-on-one time and then when they experience that one-on-one time they're like oh that's who you are oh I forgot Jill: yeah you're an adult too Kristen: yeah right you know so it's really it's really been so amazing Jill: yeah you guys do so much and again I know we're all appreciative of especially during Covid just stepping up and and having all of this and and because most everything is free right Kristen: everything is everything is free Jill: which is amazing yep yep and and I love yeah there are a lot of uh silver linings that came from Covid especially zoom and like you said there are a lot of veterans or service members those that suffer with anxiety or ptsd and they don't necessarily want to go into a crowded room with other people and so having the option to to see people on a screen and you're in your own safe comfortable environment is is wonderful yeah something wonderful Kristen: it kind of fills that gap a little bit yeah and for our valentine's dinner we had you know we had everybody got to pick up their dinner they got a choice of their meal they went and picked it up at marshland 2 and we met on zoom at 7 pm and there were a lot of people that didn't know each other because we've been in this for a year so we haven't really been able to you know do a lot of the connecting but by the time that dinner lasted like three hours and we were like wow like we laughed and people just got to really know each other and people were sharing and it was just you know it was just really great for them to have that like ah yeah with my people Jill: a breather yeah and and and there's such power and just being around other people that you can identify with and understand military life culture marriage all of those things do you guys have something coming up Kristen: we have well in March 20th we have the spouses the spouses event and that's going to be a vision board workshop and then the veterans are doing they're doing yoga and meditation I think that might be March 13th might be the week before I think maybe and then there's also we have a families group too and Casey and Aaron and Vanheusen run that and that's amazing so we do and those are monthly events and you know we couldn't do it without the hard work of our donors and sponsors who are like Jill: yeah I know and that's because they see all the great work you're doing they love you guys it's just amazing to see the outpouring of support and love that heroes in transition gets from the community Kristen: it's been amazing and we do have it's the full moon yeah that's why i'm but we we do have the Ruck4HIT coming up which is like one of our aside from the gala well both of those are our biggest fundraisers and the Ruck4HIT like everybody can take part you can run walk you can do whatever and that is going to be based right out of Mashpee and that is the end of April April 30th to Jill: yeah so that every you guys will be meeting at the heritage park Kristen: yep that's going to be our home base and we have teams and we've been doing that I mean we've been doing that I think this is our fifth or sixth year doing that the first one we did the beta run to new york city and back and that was pretty amazing Jill: everybody knows about the rock Kristen: I mean I think so but it's so great and that's when and we also what happens with the ruck is we have a lot of the people that participate in our groups they that's where they come to give back so they volunteer and they kind of you know help the whole thing happen but again we couldn't do it without the people that sponsor us and you know our donors our board of directors are amazing they just have so much trust in us which is amazing yeah Jill: yeah well you do amazing things and you have amazing results you've helped a lot of people like I said there's so many 102nd members here that have given me feedback over the years about oh just all the different ways that heroes in transition has helped them and and we've been able to call on you guys when we've needed something or needed a resource for someone it's just great to be able to pick up the phone and and get you guys anytime so thank you so is there anything else you'd like to mention that that's coming up or how do people find you Kristen: people we have we do have a website at heroesintransition.org and an easy way to remember how to get connected to the groups it would be if you were looking to get information about the spouses group you would email spouses@herosintransition.org if you wanted to get information about the veterans group veterans at harrows in transition and couples couples at heroes families families at heroes so we try to keep it simple you know that kind of thing I know the couples group we have a private facebook group that is specifically for military couples the families group has a facebook group for that but definitely go and you know like heroes in transition on facebook and you'll see all the connections there Jill: you're on instagram too right Kristen: I think so I i should be better at instagram and just Jill: some people are more instagram Kristen: it's yeah yeah yeah but I think we have an amazing social media guy Chris he's just awesome and yeah he he gets all of our stuff everywhere yeah it needs to go Jill: and the emails you mentioned if they go on the website all of those Kristen: they'll be able to find you know find that too you know and then they'll also be able to see you know we're pretty good about you know responding quickly and you know like the spouse's group events are for spouses of military members you know the veterans events or for that you know that kind of thing so yeah so Jill: wonderful Kristen: so that's it like just come see us no matter what rain shine we make it happen Jill: especially with zoom it doesn't matter what the weather is Kristen: yeah in person not in person Jill: you know and I love the the that you guys are doing rock the way you're doing it I i don't think I could have ever participated before but i'm planning on doing it this year yeah I have been running but but just again the way that uh some of the different options I think will make it more available Kristen: yeah it's we had people from other countries participate last year we had so that's the thing with Covid too like it's kind of you have to be creative right Jill: yeah Kristen: and you have to open up we had families participate together you know and they would send in their miles you know and then we'd add them up on on our team or whatever yeah yeah definitely a way whether you want to come and walk and you know the registration form is out I believe which is cool so anybody can register can register individually or as a team and then or you know come down and help us out you know just be a smiling face and cheer us on because we'll be tired Jill: well thank you and please thank uh Cindy and Nicole for all and your wonderful board I appreciate everything that you guys do for the community and I appreciate you coming on today and we'll definitely have you guys back because you're always doing new and innovative and ongoing things and I want to remind people that you guys are here so thank you Kristen: anytime thank you

Transcript Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hi. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show. Entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit broadcasting from awesome, Southern... Are we southern or central area? Steve: Central? Jill: Excuse me. Awesome, Central Arizona. [inaudible 00:00:16] I have got to figure that out. Steve: Our elevation's 1500 here. In California, we were at elevation number... Like one foot. Jill: There we go. Steve: You know how you obsess on- Jill: I do obsess on that. Steve: On the weather and stuff? Jill: And GPS and all that. Steve: I have elevation issues. I put elevation in every single one of our land postings. Jill: [inaudible 00:00:38] you remember, you used to have that thing... And it was dialed into satellite stuff? Steve: Yeah, the weather... Jill: Yeah. And it would tell you all kinds of cool... The barometric pressure and things like that. I'm going to get one of those again for the new house. Steve: I think that you can get... I like the one that goes on the roof, where you don't need the internet. Jill: This one didn't need the internet too. Steve: So you install a little thing that goes... You ever see those little... Jill: A little gyro thing? Steve: Yeah. Jill: Oh, well you can do that if you want. I don't need that. Steve: [inaudible 00:01:09] Jill's out, if you have to install anything now. Jill: Exactly. Steve: Do you ever notice how girl products are just like open it and plug it in? And it's clean and pretty and simple and you don't really get any real information or the meat of anything? But- Jill: Why is this a bad thing? Steve: They're happy. Jill: It should work. I should open up and plug it in. Steve: I think I just described Apple computer. Jill: It's like a bathroom scale and should be able to just do it quickly. Not have to program the whole thing. Steve: Before Jill starts to talk about women's weight. Today, Jill and I talk about introducing Land Academy accountability and women's groups. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. And if you're already a member, please join us on Discord. Jill: Okay. James wrote, "Hello. When filling in the red, yellow, and green tests in the equity planner, which filters are used for land and farm to get land postings and Redfin [inaudible 00:02:09] data?" Assume on Redfin for [inaudible 00:02:13] data, you only select land for the last three months. And for land and farm, no houses and undeveloped land. However, the numbers from these filters are very different than the numbers in the example Jack uses for the equity planner. And I want to make sure I'm doing this right. Steve: You're doing it right. James, I can tell you haven't filled this out before and by this question, you are going to be wildly successful at this. Whenever I get questions about equity planner, data scrubbing. Like yesterday, the school district thing yesterday was nothing short of amazing. I didn't make enough of a big deal about how positive that is like Jill did. So I'm doing it now. The answer is this. When you have a lot of data available, i.e. You have an urban county or a zip code that you're sending it to, then use it all in from one source, probably Redfin. You're not going to get the data that you need in realtor, all of it. And you're not going to get all of the data that you need in Zillow. You are going to get it in Redfin. The bad news is that Redfin's coverage doesn't... Rural counties are not a priority for them. So you're doing it right. I can tell. In three months is great, that's actually what I use. It's interesting that you say three months, because that just made sense to you and that makes sense to me. Jill likes 30 days, but there's not enough data. You can do it back three years if you want on Redfin, that's, that's not apples to apples. Because real estate market was not the same thre...

Introducing Land Academy Accountability and Women's Groups (LA 1425) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hi. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show. Entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit broadcasting from awesome, Southern... Are we southern or central area? Steve: Central? Jill: Excuse me. Awesome, Central Arizona. [inaudible 00:00:16] I have got to figure that out. Steve: Our elevation's 1500 here. In California, we were at elevation number... Like one foot. Jill: There we go. Steve: You know how you obsess on- Jill: I do obsess on that. Steve: On the weather and stuff? Jill: And GPS and all that. Steve: I have elevation issues. I put elevation in every single one of our land postings. Jill: [inaudible 00:00:38] you remember, you used to have that thing... And it was dialed into satellite stuff? Steve: Yeah, the weather... Jill: Yeah. And it would tell you all kinds of cool... The barometric pressure and things like that. I'm going to get one of those again for the new house. Steve: I think that you can get... I like the one that goes on the roof, where you don't need the internet. Jill: This one didn't need the internet too. Steve: So you install a little thing that goes... You ever see those little... Jill: A little gyro thing? Steve: Yeah. Jill: Oh, well you can do that if you want. I don't need that. Steve: [inaudible 00:01:09] Jill's out, if you have to install anything now. Jill: Exactly. Steve: Do you ever notice how girl products are just like open it and plug it in? And it's clean and pretty and simple and you don't really get any real information or the meat of anything? But- Jill: Why is this a bad thing? Steve: They're happy. Jill: It should work. I should open up and plug it in. Steve: I think I just described Apple computer. Jill: It's like a bathroom scale and should be able to just do it quickly. Not have to program the whole thing. Steve: Before Jill starts to talk about women's weight. Today, Jill and I talk about introducing Land Academy accountability and women's groups. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. And if you're already a member, please join us on Discord. Jill: Okay. James wrote, "Hello. When filling in the red, yellow, and green tests in the equity planner, which filters are used for land and farm to get land postings and Redfin [inaudible 00:02:09] data?" Assume on Redfin for [inaudible 00:02:13] data, you only select land for the last three months. And for land and farm, no houses and undeveloped land. However, the numbers from these filters are very different than the numbers in the example Jack uses for the equity planner. And I want to make sure I'm doing this right. Steve: You're doing it right. James, I can tell you haven't filled this out before and by this question, you are going to be wildly successful at this. Whenever I get questions about equity planner, data scrubbing. Like yesterday, the school district thing yesterday was nothing short of amazing. I didn't make enough of a big deal about how positive that is like Jill did. So I'm doing it now. The answer is this. When you have a lot of data available, i.e. You have an urban county or a zip code that you're sending it to, then use it all in from one source, probably Redfin. You're not going to get the data that you need in realtor, all of it. And you're not going to get all of the data that you need in Zillow. You are going to get it in Redfin. The bad news is that Redfin's coverage doesn't... Rural counties are not a priority for them. So you're doing it right. I can tell. In three months is great, that's actually what I use. It's interesting that you say three months, because that just made sense to you and that makes sense to me. Jill likes 30 days, but there's not enough data. You can do it back three years if you want on Redfin, that's,

Jill from Alberta, Canada. She is a homeschooling mother to 3 children, a birth doula, and a recently certified birth support coach through the Birth Coach Method. She is excited to use her newly learned coaching tools to help her clients achieve their desired birth experience even if they cannot have a doula attend their birth. Jill works with pregnant women in their last trimester to coach them around their desires for their birth, their current reality, and circumstances and closes every coaching session with an action assignment designed to reach their goals.   Aside from sharing her incredible VBAC story, we discuss: -What birth coaching is and how it is different from childbirth education. -How hiring a birth support coach can help you, even if you can't have a doula attend your birth. -How birth support coaching places the pregnant parent as an expert on their body and their birth.   Find Jill and learn more about birth coaching on her Instagram page: @jillmcknight_birthdoula ( https://www.instagram.com/jillmcknight_birthdoula/ ) Episode Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by @Nourisher, formerly known as Milkful nursing bars, Nousrisher believes that moms deserve the most nutritious food. Their pre and post-natal bars are made to nourish her unique needs throughout motherhood, without sacrificing flavor. Their delicious flavors include Papaya Turmeric: A tropical treat! Folate-packed Papaya + anti-inflammatory Turmeric. Spirulina Ginger: Sweet and spicy! Nausea-soothing spicy ginger plus energy-boosting Spirulina, and Strawberry Rosehip: OMG flavor! Yummy strawberries plus immune-boosting Rosehip. Check them out at thevbaclink.com/go/nourisher ( https://www.thevbaclink.com/go/nourisher ) Meagan: Happy Wednesday, women of strength! It is Julie and Meagan. We have Jill with us today. She’s in Canada and we cannot wait to hear not only her stories, but we want to dive in a little bit more on birth coaching-- something that she has gone into during her journey. She actually has three kids. She had a C-section and then two VBACs. We can’t wait to hear that story. She is a certified birth coach and a birth doula. We’re really excited to hear more about the coaching, what that entails and how we all can learn more because I know as a doula, for me, I think that would be something really fun to add to my offerings and my skills. I can’t wait to hear that. Julie has a review of the week, so we’ll turn the time over to her. Review of the week Julie: I’m Julie and I have a review of the week and I’m also interested in learning about birth coaching. I’m just really excited. I’m not going to start asking questions and things because it’s the very beginning of the episode. But at the end we might just pick your brain a little bit, Jill. This review is from Apple Podcasts and the reviewer name is Khuxx. The review’s name is “Success.” Khuxx says, “This podcast helped me in so many ways. I had my VBAC baby in the early morning on Thanksgiving four days past my due date. I was religiously listening to this podcast in those three days leading up to labor as I felt my chances of my perfect labor were being ripped away. Putting my headphones and pushing play on The VBAC Link when I would start to doubt my ability my whole pregnancy was honestly my lifesaver. I told my midwives that this was helping me stay positive and I recommend it to EVERYONE. Thank you SO MUCH for creating the perfect podcast for all pregnant moms, not just moms wanting to VBAC. If I would have known about this with my first, maybe the outcome would have been different.” Thank you so much, Khuxx, for that review. We were just talking about that before we started recording. We wish this had been around when we were having babies. And Jill, same thing. It always makes me feel really good when we hear that we are helping people and that our stories that we share on the podcast are helping others as well. Thank you, Jill, for sharing your story today. And thank you to everybody who has ever shared their story on our podcast and in our Facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/thevbaclink/ ) community and in our Instagram ( https://www.instagram.com/thevbaclink/?hl=en ) stories. We wouldn’t be The VBAC Link without every single one of you. So, thank you. Episode sponsor This episode is brought to you by Nourisher. Formerly known as Milkful Nursing Bars, the company has rebranded and expanded to bring you new bars. New flavors to meet all of your needs throughout the motherhood journey. Nourisher products are made to “nourish her.” Each of the products are super nutrient dense while still being a very tasty snack that moms can look forward to. Their delicious flavors include Blueberry Coconut, Chocolate Banana, Maple Walnut, Papaya Turmeric, Spirulina Ginger, and Strawberry Rosehip. Let’s talk about flavor. My favorite, guys? Strawberry Rosehip hands down. Not only are these bars delicious and tasty, but they have amazing benefits for both you and your baby in the pre and postnatal stages. They increase your energy. They support tissue repair and brain building. They improve gut health with fiber, probiotics and healthy fats. They give you a nutritional lift from sprouted grains and seeds that provide essential nutrients. They are packed with superfoods like turmeric, spirulina, and rosehip to support a healthy immune system and reduce inflammation throughout the pregnancy and postpartum stages. Go ahead and give Nourisher a try. You can get right to them by clicking the link in our show notes or going to thevbaclink.com/go/nourisher. ( https://www.nourisher.co/?rfsn=4803705.3f03cd ) Give them a try. You will not regret it. Jill’s story Meagan: Okay, you guys. It’s podcast Wednesday and Jill has an awesome episode for you. Jill, we’re going to turn the time over to you to share your amazing story and then let us pick your brain at the end. Jill: Great. Thank you so much, Julie and Meagan. Thanks for having me. I am a VBAC mom. I had my first child in 2009. I didn’t have a doula. I didn’t really have a birth team set up. I went into it to see how it goes, kind of thing. I felt like an absolute goddess being pregnant, I’ll tell you that. But I always felt really deflated every time I left my prenatal appointments with my obstetrician. I felt like it was so run of the mill, going through the motions. I always felt really sad afterwards. I felt like, “Hey, I feel really great. I feel like I’m glowing. I feel amazing.” If I had a doula or if I had someone to talk to and download about it afterwards, that would have felt really nurturing to me. So I went along and my pregnancy was actually really great. I was healthy. I was strong. I never considered that I would have a C-section. I remember going through the hospital for the tour and the last stop was the operating room to show us expectant moms where it is and things like that. I was like, “Yeah, sure. I’ll look at it. But there’s no way. I’m just not going to have one.” My mother didn’t have one. My grandmother had ten babies and I just thought, “It’s not happening,” so I didn’t have any information about how to prepare for a C-section. Meagan: A lot of times in these prenatals, there isn’t really any education given on C-sections. First time moms go in to have this baby and they’ve heard about a C-section but they don’t really know what it entails. That’s something that could be added to prenatal care. Jill: Yes. I think so for sure. Based on conversations that I’ve had with women throughout the years, it’s the same thing. At least to have had it as part of the prenatal, that would have been helpful for sure. I guess I can just skip to the birth. Pretty uneventful pregnancy, it was fine. My baby was late. The first time around when you go over the 40 week mark, it’s like, “Oh my gosh. When is this going to happen, right?” I did end up going into spontaneous labor at 41 weeks. We just had my in-laws arrive from Scotland. They had planned their trip to come for when the baby was born. Since baby was late, they showed up on the day that I started going into labor. So I had a house full of visitors. I started in the middle of the night feeling the early signs of labor. I did some of the things that I learned in my prenatal classes-- moving around when I could, trying to lie down when it felt comfortable. I ran a bath. I sat in the bath for a little while and then the contractions started to get a little bit intense. My husband and I decided to go into the hospital, which was just around the corner, so really close. I got checked into triage. The part that always sticks out in my head was that the nurse that was there didn’t look at me. She had her head down and asked, “Are you having an epidural?” I was like, “Uh, I don’t know.” She was like, “Well, you don’t need one. But if you don’t get one now then the anesthesiologist might be busy so I would suggest that you say yes.” Julie: Oh my gosh, I hate when they do that. Meagan: It’s added pressure in a vulnerable moment. Even if you didn’t plan on that, you feel vulnerable and think, “Well, what if I end up wanting one and they’re not here?” I don’t like that. Jill: There was another woman that was laboring in the room and it was quite intimidating. I could hear her. She was pretty close, I think, to giving birth. The nurse then said, “So that woman there, that’s not her first baby. You can hear she’s going through some painful contractions. So if she’s feeling pain, what do you think you’re going to feel?” So I was like, “Wow. Okay.” Julie: Labor and delivery nurses-- I don’t think they mean ill intent when they say these things. I think they’re really trying to be helpful. But there should be a class about tact in the birth room. Maybe not. But I’ve heard things like that in the birth room. What are you supposed to say as a parent and you’re a first time mom? It’s so frustrating. Jill: Yeah. That’s it. All of those things led to me getting an epidural, but I was only at 4 centimeters. Knowing what I know now, that was quite early. But for me, at that stage, it felt really painful. I had never felt anything like that before, so it felt like, “Oh yeah. I want this pain to go away. I want to be more comfortable.” I got that epidural administered and then was hooked up to the IV, the machines, and all the things. I was strapped in and lying down on my back. From there, I continually was progressing and I did dilate. I don’t have the notes with me right now, but long story short, eventually, I got to the point where baby was going into distress. They had to insert that fetal scalp electrode. I just felt like a rag doll. At the beginning, when the epidural was administered, it worked really well. For some women it doesn’t work really well and they still feel the contractions. But I felt nothing and I thought, “Oh, this is cool. I’m going to lie here and the baby is going to come. Wow!” I just had no idea. Then there were more interventions. There was the fetal monitor, then baby was in distress. They were giving me oxygen, then there were several doctors, students, nurses, and more students coming to observe me. That moment is so clear in my mind when I’m lying in the bed with the oxygen mask and I have what felt like eight people surrounding me. I’m freaking out and my husband’s like, “It’s okay,” but we’re like, “I don’t know what’s going on.” That was quite scary. But I did get to the point where I was 10 centimeters and was able to push with directed pushing. I didn’t feel anything, so I was going based on what the labor and delivery nurses were telling me to do as my feet were up in stirrups and still lying on my back. I spent hours doing that. Eventually they were able to lift me up and put me over one of those bars where I was sitting upright to try and get some gravity on my side. Then they started talking C-section at that point because I was pushing for about two hours and because he was in distress. I kept asking for more time. I asked for another hour and then after that third hour, they could see his head. I remember them bringing a mirror and you could see the head, but he wasn’t far enough down that they could use a vacuum or forceps. That led to that moment where I had to sign off for surgery. I still feel quite emotional just remembering. Meagan: That was a hard moment. Jill: Yeah. Then wheeled into surgery. As C-section moms, we all know that feeling. It feels really cold when you go into that operating room and everything is very quiet, very eerie. Everybody’s in their full scrubs and it’s a scary place. I was shaking at that point. I think there was something about the drugs they administer to you and they have to strap your arms down. I remember shaking and I felt very nauseous. When they did the surgery, it was quite a weird feeling. Because my son was descending down the birth canal, they actually had to pull him out. So his head came out in that cone kind of way. Julie: You kind of had to recover from a vaginal birth and a Cesarean at that point. Jill: It was almost that way, right? He was very large. He was 9 pounds, 4 ounces. Knowing what I know now, birthing a 9 pound, 4 ounce baby on your back, for 18 hours… Meagan: It doesn’t leave a lot of room for baby to get down in the right spot. Jill: I didn’t know much about birth until after that moment and I did my research. I was like, “What was that? Why did that happen?” I blamed myself a lot and I went through a lot of really negative emotions. I felt very disappointed. I felt ashamed. I felt really ashamed. I didn’t expect that I would have a C-section and I didn’t like that I felt ashamed to tell people that. It was really confusing. It was a crazy start to motherhood. I absolutely adored my son. Thankfully we bonded well with breastfeeding and skin to skin, but I remember those nights that I stayed in the hospital. It was really quite traumatic. There are lots of other details, but I think that’s mainly the gist of it. After that, it really drove me to research and find out why. I got a hold of my records of my birth to find out what actually happened, what led to it. Megan: Which is such a good idea to do. It’s really important to get those records. We encourage all of our personal clients to do that. Jill: Yeah, I found it really helpful. Then you can research and you can find out what all these terms mean. In the moment, you’re not really absorbing all the terminology that they’re throwing at you. You’re just scared. There’s the shock that takes over and you can’t absorb anything. Even in a straightforward labor, you’re not taking in information. I did a lot of work with the resources that were available at the time. It was 2009. I ended up stumbling into home birth which wasn’t anything I would ever have thought I would get into. I didn’t know anybody who had home births. I was actually quite intimidated by the thought of a home birth. But my research led me there. I started to really get into that world, which is quite an interesting place to be and a lot to learn there. I guess that’s what led me to want to be a doula because I’m reading all of these amazing books written by midwives and I thought, “I would love to be able to support somebody in a way that…” Meagan: The way you wish you had been able to be supported? Jill: Exactly, because I know exactly what I would have done for myself back then. That was part of my healing too. Like I said earlier, I really beat myself up a lot. It’s so common for moms who have unplanned C-sections or planned C-sections as well. As I did my research and I learned more, I started to forgive myself. I thought, “I did the best I could with what I had.” I didn’t know anything about epidural other than that it takes the pain of labor so I’m like, “That can’t be bad.” After I learned what I did in my doula training, I’m like, “Oh, so maybe 4 centimeters was a bit early.” If I had somebody there to support me for a few more hours to get to seven or eight centimeters,  maybe the epidural would have been a great thing for me. So I was able to slowly heal from some of that negativity that I was holding onto and that shame and that disappointment. I could see my C-section as the catalyst for change in my life that helped to guide me towards birth work. I’m thankful for it in that way. Meagan: I feel you. It’s kind of the same. I had two C-sections before I landed into the birth world but even though they were not my desired birth or my desired choice, I would not have changed anything because it led me to where I am today. Julie: Me too. Jill: Then for my first VBAC, I waited 18 months because that was the recommended time. I don’t know if there is one recommended time, but for me, it was the 18 month wait after my first C-section to then try and get pregnant with my second child. I did that and then thankfully we got pregnant easily. I set myself up right away with midwives. In Canada, we have a public healthcare system which is great, but also stressful because you have to get your care provider the day you pee on the stick. You cannot mess around. I got myself into a really great midwifery practice right from the beginning. I was planning a home birth. I felt that was the best place for me. The midwives at this practice were  supportive and actually really loved working with VBAC moms. I was in really, really good hands. Just the way life goes, my husband got transferred to Melbourne, Australia for work. So when I was six months pregnant with my second child, we moved to Australia. Julie: Oh my gosh! I love Australia, but what a horrible time to move to another country. Jill: I know. We had actually been there already temporarily before my pregnancy and then we came home for a bit. I knew it was coming so it wasn’t completely out of the blue at the point, but I did have to navigate a completely new healthcare system there in Australia. Julie: Australia is completely different for Cesarean, VBAC and birth in general. It’s a completely different mindset even from the United States. Different parts of Australia have different birth cultures as well. It’s something I’ve been interested in learning more about, actually. When Meagan and I upgrade our VBAC van to a VBAC jet-- we’re dreaming really big right now. We’re going to have a VBAC Link jet and then fly to Australia and figure out the Australia birth world, VBAC, Cesareans, all that. And maybe we’ll go doula some people in the Outback. That would be awesome. I’m dreaming big. This is like, 50 years down the road if we’re still kicking around. Jill: That’s great to dream big. Julie: I’m going to stop talking now. Go on with your story. Jill: I’ve never lived in the States but I can imagine Australia’s system to be a mixture of the United States and Canada because they do have public healthcare and private. It’s a nice little hybrid which was good for us because we weren’t residents of Australia so public health care, we still had to pay for anyway. We actually went private and I actually hired private midwives because the midwives there at that point weren’t covered under public healthcare like they are in Canada. I found some great midwives supporting my VBAC home birth. Everything was great. Totally crazy that we now lived down under. We were in Melbourne. It was a great city and I was in good hands. My husband took a little bit more time to get adjusted to the home birth, but we managed to come to an agreement. We planned the home birth and there was a concern that I had a front lying placenta early on in the pregnancy, so I just needed to get an ultrasound at about 36 weeks to check on that. I got some more interesting news at that ultrasound which was that my baby was breech. Meagan: Not always a fun thing to find out. Jill: No. And that’s the thing from my experience with my second child. I went to the ultrasound by myself and my husband was at the pool with my son. It was like, “Oh, you know. It’s all good. You go play with him. I’ll go to the ultrasound and meet you later.” Oh God, could I have used somebody there with me. I obviously did not expect that either. Breech? What? I was a complete hot mess after finding that out. But my midwives were totally cool and they were like, “That’s okay. You’re only 36 weeks. Lots of babies are breech. They do somersaults. They go all around. It’s no big deal.” They were able to help me calm down and explore options. Then I was into a whole other level of not just VBAC, I was then looking into breech which is a little bit more frightening when you look on the internet about breech birth. This was in 2011 when breech was considered very high risk and almost always a C-section. I was quite devastated because I was so scared of having another C-section. So I did all of the things. Spinning Babies-- I was lying down every day with my ironing board propped up on my couch. You lie down on your back with your head down and your feet up. Julie: The Breech Tilt, yes! Jill: Yep. Lots of hands and knees, doing all of the cat-cow hands and knees positions. I did everything. I did handstands in the pool which got me some pretty weird looks at the public pool. I did chiropractic care specifically for breech. I did Moxibustion, an acupuncture procedure where they put these needles in your pinky toes and then they have this charcoal cigar-lit thing that lights up and heats up the needle in your toes. I did all the things. She was not having it. She remained in the breech position. Julie: That’s frustrating after you do all that work. Jill: I know. The private/public system actually worked in my favor because I ended up getting in with an obstetrician in Melbourne who specializes in high risk. He does breeches, twins, VBAC’s, so he took me on as one of his patients. He was really great. I still had my midwives too but they weren’t able to be my primary care providers in the hospital because of the breech. It was more like she was a doula to me which was really great too. With breeches, the rule for my obstetrician was an eight hour labor or less but if it goes over eight hours then there is probably something going on. Julie: Well, that’s not fair. Lots of labors are longer than eight hours. Jill: Yeah. That was scary and no epidural. There were a bunch of other rules, but eight hours was the limit. She was late too. She was about six days overdue. I started to feel the discomfort in the evening. I went to bed. I woke up sometime in the middle of the night, sometime between midnight and 2:00 am. I thought, “I’m going to get up now. We’re going to move around.” My husband was making oatmeal. We called the midwife to let her know I was starting to feel the early stages of labor. By about 3:00 am, I said to my husband, “You have to call the midwife NOW.” She was asking him, “Ask Jill to rate between 1 and 10 the intensity of the contractions.” It was literally, “7. Okay, no 8. Okay, no 9. No, 10.” It came that quickly. I got into the shower. Then interestingly enough, there was meconium coming out of me because my baby was in the breech position so bum down. Julie: That way baby doesn’t get aspirated. Jill: It’s crazy, right? That was freaky. We still had to get to the hospital because I still wasn’t having that home birth. It was very fast. That was 3:00 in the morning, then we had to rush off to the hospital. I was that woman. No seatbelt, I was holding myself up with my hands, my arms fully straight, like, “This baby’s coming!” She was coming. When we got into the maternity ward, the nurses welcomed me. I remember them talking to me so sweetly saying, “It’s okay, honey. You’re just having a contraction.” I’m like, “Ugh, yeah. Okay.” When they checked me, the bum and the legs were coming. They were coming. They had to get me to wait until the obstetrician came because she was breech. So they had to wait for him to come. He lived about a five minutes drive away. We had the breathing and the “look deep into my eyes”. I think everybody was a bit panicked. This was a two hour labor. It started at about 3:00, then about 5:15 in the morning, I was directed to push. I really wanted to stand up. That was my urge-- to stand up, but I did have to go on the bed. Everything was moving. Everything was coming anyways. It didn’t really make a difference. But I think for me, with my first birth, I just was like, “I don’t want to lie down.” She was born bum first, then legs popping out. Then you see that the body is there and the head is still the last to birth. When she was born and they placed her on my body, she was upside down. It was the feet up at my chest. So that’s the way she was born. Meagan: That’s awesome. I didn’t realize that your first VBAC was breech. Jill: Yeah. She was a breech baby. That was that birth. It was a healing birth for me. It was a stressful birth. The lead up to it, with it being a VBAC and with being breech-- but I could see what my body was capable of. That’s what really healed me. I was quite surprised with how quick the labor was, just the two hours, really. Julie: That’s super fast for a first time vaginal birth and for a breech baby. That’s super speedy, as my four year old would say. Jill: Yeah. But it’s funny because I think the personalities shine through. My daughter now is going to be nine and I’m like, “Of course you were born breech. Of course you were born the complete opposite way than most.” Julie: I agree 100 percent with that sentiment, I really do. Jill: She’s our cannonball. She bursts into the scene all the time. I’m like, “Well, that’s how you were born.” It makes sense. Then my son, who was the C-section, we have to drag him out everywhere. So I’m like, “Oh yeah, you wanted to stay. You were good. We had to pull you out.” Meagan: That’s so funny how they all fit their births. Jill: For sure. Then for my third birth, we stayed in Australia for a couple more years after that, almost three years after my daughter was born. We got transferred back to Canada, but to a completely different part of Canada. As you know, Canada is a huge country. I was then home kind of, but still a four hour plane right from my home. Still quite foreign, but the same healthcare system and things like that. I planned a home birth again for my third birth and had really amazing midwives again and very supportive and really, really loved working with VBAC moms. I think I always shock people when I tell them about my birth story of my second child. They’re like, “Hold on, what? A VBAC and a breech? Okay, wow.” Then they knew about me having a really quick labor for my second child. So they were expecting another quick labor. For my third birth, she completely surprised me and came ten days early. My first was seven days late. My second was six, so I thought she was going to be five days late. I don’t know, I just couldn’t think any other way, but she was ten days early. Completely different scenarios. We have two kids now, almost six and three, planning a home birth so we didn’t have anywhere to go. It was Easter Sunday. We did the Easter egg hunt in the morning. At about 10:00 in the morning I said, “I think, maybe, could you send the kids over to the neighbors to play?” Because I thought I might like to have the kids there for the birth, but then when I got down to it, I said, “I think I need to just not have to think about that so let’s send them over to the neighbors to have some space.” Contractions got pretty intense at about 11:00 in the morning. I was pacing up and down in my bathroom. Again, similar to the first birth, I said, “Contractions are getting pretty intense.” I said to my husband, “You’d better call the midwife.” The midwife was like, “Well, what’s going on?” And literally, as she was on the phone, my body just couldn’t help itself and I went straight into pushing. My husband was there on the phone. Meagan: Wow. Jill: I know. He had had a shower earlier and left his towels on the floor. Which, we get so upset with our husbands for doing stuff like that, but I’m like, “Oh wow, so you left the towels on the floor,” and that was where our daughter was born, just right on those towels in the bathroom with the midwife on the phone. She was able to hear her first cry. She knew it was good. She didn’t have to call the ambulance or anything like that. She just said, “I’m going to come over as soon as I can.” She was coming from the hospital from another birth just ten minutes away. So she came and showed up. She was so cool. She was so calm. She was so like, “Everything is great. Everything’s fine.” She ran my bath for me. I had my daughter with me and my placenta was still attached. I still hadn’t birthed the placenta yet. She got me through that. It was just amazing. It was another very healing experience for me. Very shocking. Meagan: It sounds amazing though. Sounds like a lot, but amazing. Jill: Yeah. Unplanned, right? Not expecting that. That was a one hour labor from start to finish. Meagan: You have an amazing cervix. Your cervix is like, “Listen, I’m ready and when I’m ready, I mean I’m READY.” Jill: We’re done now. I said to my husband, “Listen, if we’re going to have another baby, it’s going to be a Walmart baby. Seriously, I won’t even make it home. I don’t want that. We’re good.” Meagan: That is crazy. And then there’s a cervix like mine that takes days and days and days. I always told my husband that we should have another one because I want to know what my cervix would do now that it’s done it. Julie: We are still holding out hope that there will be another Heaton baby. Meagan: It’s not looking like it. Julie: I know, but I am still hoping. You know my plan for you. Meagan: Oh my gosh. So C-section, breech, VBAC, unassisted, unplanned home VBAC for your second VBAC. Holy smokes, what a ride. Well, thank you so much for sharing. I know we have a few more minutes. I would love to talk more about the coaching. Tell us more about what you’re learning, how people could find that or how you found that, how people can find you and all of the things. Julie: And how that’s different from doula support. Jill: I trained with the Birth Coach Method, it’s called. My teacher was called Mary Life Trauma. She was a doula for years and then trained to be a life coach. She’s merged birth support work with life coaching. It’s different from what a doula would provide because it’s not about giving information about birth, although you can if your client requests that, but it’s more about getting to her belief system about what she holds true about birth. You’re using coaching tools and asking really strong questions to get to planning your most optimal birth experience. Normally, a doula would offer maybe two or three prenatal visits and one or two postnatal. I’m not sure. There’s a range. For coaching, it would be six prenatal visits of one hour long and two postnatal. We’re really getting a full picture of where she is in her pregnancy. Things around relationships, with support systems, nutrition, health. Just getting a full picture of where she’s thriving and where there’s challenges-- ways that we can come up with establishing goals for how she can be at a 10 in a certain area as opposed to a 5. How can we get her feeling empowered? Also, there is a component of understanding her reality-- what sort of health conditions she has or if she has any personal issues or anything that’s getting in the way of her reaching her goals. Then you can work on finding different options to reach her goals and then, just like with life coaching, there’s always action steps. There’s always a way forward. The coach is helping the client to stay accountable to their goals. When you’re working with your client, most likely in the third trimester, you’re giving an action assignment and then you’re checking in with them saying, “How are you doing with XYZ?” It’s just really about empowering and inspiring the client as opposed to teaching or educating. It’s not about giving more information. It’s about pulling back the layers of yourself to see what you hold true within you. Julie: That’s interesting. Do you attend the birth or not? Jill: Either way. Meagan: Can you extend that option? Can they be like, “Okay, I really want to have you attend my birth?” Julie: But it’s not necessarily a part of what a birth coach would do unless you’re specifically requested for that, right? Or is that what I’m understanding? Jill: Yes. That’s it. I think it’s an interesting time right now because of COVID. Some hospitals can have doulas, some can’t. There’s so much confusion, right? So I think it’s a nice alternative at the moment to then get all the support that you need to feel ready even if the doula cannot be there to attend your birth. Julie: It sounds like a really valuable toolset to have even as a doula. I’ve heard it said by one of the midwives that have been on our podcast before that two prenatal visits as a doula is not enough. It’s just not enough. I usually end up spending a lot more time with my clients than the two one and a half hour prenatal visits because, especially with VBAC, there’s just so much to do. I’ve been trying really hard to know how to reconcile that. Anyways, I’m not going to brain dump right now on you, but it sounds like this could be a way to supplement that and help add value to what you’re bringing to the birth community and your individual clients. Maybe they don’t want a doula at their birth but they do want some help in figuring out what birth looks like and feels like to them and how to gain that confidence. It sounds really cool. Jill: Yeah, it is really cool. I think it’s like 20 years ago or whatever when people didn’t really know what a doula was and they’re like, “What’s a doula?” It seems like it’s that kind of way with birth support coaching. People are like, “What is that? I’ve never heard of that.” So we’re just working on trying to get the word out so people know that it’s available. It’s just in the early stages, but I’m really excited. Julie: That’s really cool because you could technically take clients all over the world. I just supported, informally, somebody in India last night to have her VBAC because she knew all of the doulas in her area and she didn’t feel comfortable having one of them be her doula. I was on Facebook Messenger helping her feel supported until her team got there. Maybe I’m saying too much information because it’s illegal to have a home birth in the country that she’s birthing in. I think I already said the name of the country. So it was a really cool experience to be able to be involved that way even though she is halfway around the world from me. It sounds like something that can be done virtually as well where you don’t necessarily even need to be in person. Is that right? I don’t know if that’s part of the program. I know there’s a specific training. Meagan: That’s really cool. Super, super cool. I’ll have to check that out. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing all of your amazing stories. Q&A Julie: Questions! Meagan: Oh yes! Guess what. I always forget. We have questions for you. We asked in your submission when you submitted. I don’t know if you remember answering them, but one of them is, what is a secret lesson or something no one really talks about that you wish you would have known ahead of time when preparing for birth? Jill: For my first birth, it’s definitely the importance of a supportive birth team. Hands down. For sure, that would be my answer. Meagan: Awesome. Then the other one is, what is your best tip for someone preparing for a VBAC? Jill: My best tip is really sitting with and naming your emotions that you have about any emotional scars that you have after your C-section because I think the emotional healing is unexpected. I think it takes time. It takes quite a lot of time. Really pointing out those negative emotions, naming them, really sitting with them and being able to really talk about your birth story-- and be held and validated in all of your feelings, not rushed off by the classic, “Healthy baby. That’s the best outcome.” You know? Megan: Definitely. I think working through all of those things prior can really help the next birth just in general to go smoother. Because for me, there was actually a lot of stuff I didn’t realize I hadn’t worked through and then I had to work through it right then in labor. It was really hard to have to backpedal a little bit to work through all of that. Alright, well thank you, thank you. You are just darling and we are so glad that you were with us today. Jill: Thank you so much. It was nice talking with you. Thank you for having me, Julie and Meagan. Closing Would you like to be a guest on the podcast? Head over to thevbaclink.com/share ( http://www.thevbaclink.com/share ) and submit your story. For all things VBAC, including online and in-person VBAC classes, The VBAC Link blog, and Julie and Meagan’s bios, head over to thevbaclink.com ( http://www.thevbaclink.com ). 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Fear of Success Defined by Jill (LA 1362) Transcript: Steven Jack Butala: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hi. Steven Jack Butala: Welcome to the Land Academy show, Entertaining Land Investment Talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala, Jill: And I'm Jill Dewitt broadcasting from pretty Park City, Utah. Steven Jack Butala: Today, Jill and I talk about fear of success as defined by Jill. And I mentioned it yesterday. We were on a show, a podcast as a guest yesterday. Jill: It was Before the Millions with DeRay... I can never pronounce his last name correctly, but it was really interesting. Steven Jack Butala: It's all kinds of questions about what was it like before you guys made a go of it, buying and selling land separately and collectively, and I learned a bunch of stuff about Jill. One of the things I learned is that that's how this topic came up. He said, Well, why don't people do this? And Jill said, "Media said fear of success." And then she went on to explain herself and I'm like, "Wow," because we know we never talked about this and it actually makes a lot of sense. So before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: John wrote, "Hi guys. I sent out my first mailer to my first county about a week and a half ago, 1800 units. Currently waiting for that to start hitting mailboxes so I can see what the response is. I've got another mailer for another county queued up for another 1800 units. Should I send it out this week? Or am I setting myself up to be completely overwhelmed by the responses?" Awesome. Do you want to go on? Steven Jack Butala: I can tell you what I think. What you're going to find out when these people start calling back is that the process that you put in place like that intake process for analyzing deals and accepting the ones that are good and rejecting the ones that aren't is flawed because everybody does it differently including myself in all this stuff. First time you try this stuff, it's just a disaster. So I would not send out another mailer. I would wait on this 1800. You're going to hone your skills on buying some property and do the whole thing. And then once you've got like maybe one acquisition or two acquisitions under contract, and you're getting set up to sell them or post them on the internet, that's when I would send the mailer out. Jill: There comes a few times a year, we are not exactly on the same page and this might be one of them. I would actually- Steven Jack Butala: A few times a week actually. A day sometimes. Jill: I was being really nice. Try to be nice. But this is one where I don't know if I would do it. I think if you're brand new, I think 1800 units a week out of the gate, if you're a one man show and you have a full-time job might be a little bit heavy, but if you don't have full-time job and you have all the time in the world, this is not nuts. I would say really I would do every other week because once you start the process going, you're going to get into a groove. That's just me though. So again, this is all personal preference. Steven's theory is get it all the way through and there's nothing wrong with that concept. Figure out all these little mistakes. You're going to make a lot of mistakes and figure them all out, and then you can dive in at a different way. I'm kind of a, "Let's figure it out as I go," because I don't want you to be in the habit of stopping and starting because that's where some people drop the ball. Steven Jack Butala: If you're in the process of trying to find a permanent female, I would highly recommend finding one with Jill's attitude where you're not just fixing stuff as you go because stuff's going to go sideways. If you are looking for a spouse, male or female, who needs to preplan everything out and then all they're going to do is end up being disappointed no matter what happens. You got to find a go with the flow spouse. Jill:

Fear of Success Defined by Jill (LA 1362) Transcript: Steven Jack Butala: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hi. Steven Jack Butala: Welcome to the Land Academy show, Entertaining Land Investment Talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala, Jill: And I'm Jill Dewitt broadcasting from pretty Park City, Utah. Steven Jack Butala: Today, Jill and I talk about fear of success as defined by Jill. And I mentioned it yesterday. We were on a show, a podcast as a guest yesterday. Jill: It was Before the Millions with DeRay... I can never pronounce his last name correctly, but it was really interesting. Steven Jack Butala: It's all kinds of questions about what was it like before you guys made a go of it, buying and selling land separately and collectively, and I learned a bunch of stuff about Jill. One of the things I learned is that that's how this topic came up. He said, Well, why don't people do this? And Jill said, "Media said fear of success." And then she went on to explain herself and I'm like, "Wow," because we know we never talked about this and it actually makes a lot of sense. So before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: John wrote, "Hi guys. I sent out my first mailer to my first county about a week and a half ago, 1800 units. Currently waiting for that to start hitting mailboxes so I can see what the response is. I've got another mailer for another county queued up for another 1800 units. Should I send it out this week? Or am I setting myself up to be completely overwhelmed by the responses?" Awesome. Do you want to go on? Steven Jack Butala: I can tell you what I think. What you're going to find out when these people start calling back is that the process that you put in place like that intake process for analyzing deals and accepting the ones that are good and rejecting the ones that aren't is flawed because everybody does it differently including myself in all this stuff. First time you try this stuff, it's just a disaster. So I would not send out another mailer. I would wait on this 1800. You're going to hone your skills on buying some property and do the whole thing. And then once you've got like maybe one acquisition or two acquisitions under contract, and you're getting set up to sell them or post them on the internet, that's when I would send the mailer out. Jill: There comes a few times a year, we are not exactly on the same page and this might be one of them. I would actually- Steven Jack Butala: A few times a week actually. A day sometimes. Jill: I was being really nice. Try to be nice. But this is one where I don't know if I would do it. I think if you're brand new, I think 1800 units a week out of the gate, if you're a one man show and you have a full-time job might be a little bit heavy, but if you don't have full-time job and you have all the time in the world, this is not nuts. I would say really I would do every other week because once you start the process going, you're going to get into a groove. That's just me though. So again, this is all personal preference. Steven's theory is get it all the way through and there's nothing wrong with that concept. Figure out all these little mistakes. You're going to make a lot of mistakes and figure them all out, and then you can dive in at a different way. I'm kind of a, "Let's figure it out as I go," because I don't want you to be in the habit of stopping and starting because that's where some people drop the ball. Steven Jack Butala: If you're in the process of trying to find a permanent female, I would highly recommend finding one with Jill's attitude where you're not just fixing stuff as you go because stuff's going to go sideways. If you are looking for a spouse, male or female, who needs to preplan everything out and then all they're going to do is end up being disappointed no matter what happens. You got to find a go with the flow spouse. Jill:

So You Made 100K on a Land Deal Now What (LA 1302) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hey. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala Jill: And I'm Jill Dewitt broadcasting from sunny Southern California Steve: Today Jill and I talk about, so you made a hundred grand on that last land deal, now what? Jill: I know what. Steve: Well. Jill: Do it again. Steve: Celebrate. Yes, first you need to take 10 minutes and celebrate. Maybe do shot of tequila or something. Jill: Yeah, tens good. Ten minutes is good. Steve: Whatever works for you. Eat a piece of chocolate cake, I don't know whatever works for you. Jill: What is yours? Steve: And that's the whole show. Jill: Quick. You want to celebrate? What? Can I have a budget? I made a hundred thousand dollars. How much money can I spend from my separation? Steve: You know, Jill and I made a huge amount of money one time on a real estate deal. You know what we did? Bought new computers. Jill: Yeah. It went to the business and it made us more effective and it, and I was just so happy. Yep. All right. Quick, you give yourself $500. What are you going to do? Steve: God, I haven't thought about something like this in a long time. Because usually I just go do whatever I want. Jill: I know but- Steve: For 500 bucks, what would I do? You know what I would do? Call up my buddies, probably bring you and your friends, girlfriends, and just pay for everybody's night out. Jill: That's very sweet. Well, now I feel like a little bit like a heel because mine's different. Mine is I call no one. Steve: Oh my God. Is this a spa day at that MZ diamond acquisitions? Jill: No because I have $500, it's just a spa day. That's it. I call no one, I turn off my phone, I leave it in the car and I'm gone for several hours. That's how I celebrate. Steve: Jill, I speak frankly, here. You should be doing that once a week anyway. Jill: I know. I should but spa's are kind of closed right now. Steve: Why don't you schedule that? Jill: Because the spa's are closed right now. That's, trust me, don't you, don't think I'm not, that's not on my list. Steve: Can't you have like a masseuse come to the house? Jill: I haven't really tried that hard but I could probably work on that. So, but thank you, that's not what this show's about. Thank you. Steve: Yes it is. This is about a hundred grand. It's totally about this. Jill: Okay, I guess so. Okay, yes because I just learned, I didn't know of any that would come to the house. And I just heard from somebody recently that they know someone. So that's in the works. But do you know what? I still don't want to do it in my own house. I have to go somewhere because I don't want to have to hide. And you know, I want to just, I'd like to go and be treated. Steve: You want to go somewhere and do that? Huh? What if I leave the house? And then- Jill: It's still not that great. I want to go be treated. Steve: This is interesting. Jill: You know what I want to do? Steve: You learn new stuff about your mate every day. Jill: I want to go to Terranea, or something equivalent, and just really have a nice, nice time. Thank you. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Mohad wrote, I've been practicing using Real Quest Pro to pull data in an area I'm looking to send my first mailer. Once I enter all the criteria and submit, it seems like a lot of the data I pull has some sort of housing on it. I'm entering in zero to 0% improvement and I'm still getting many buildings slash houses. I don't want to waste money on records with houses. I've gone through each land use to figure out which is pulling the records with the houses, but it looks like they are just blended in with several uses. Any suggestions on how to get rid of the houses, to be sure I'm doing something wrong? Steve:

So You Made 100K on a Land Deal Now What (LA 1302) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hey. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala Jill: And I'm Jill Dewitt broadcasting from sunny Southern California Steve: Today Jill and I talk about, so you made a hundred grand on that last land deal, now what? Jill: I know what. Steve: Well. Jill: Do it again. Steve: Celebrate. Yes, first you need to take 10 minutes and celebrate. Maybe do shot of tequila or something. Jill: Yeah, tens good. Ten minutes is good. Steve: Whatever works for you. Eat a piece of chocolate cake, I don't know whatever works for you. Jill: What is yours? Steve: And that's the whole show. Jill: Quick. You want to celebrate? What? Can I have a budget? I made a hundred thousand dollars. How much money can I spend from my separation? Steve: You know, Jill and I made a huge amount of money one time on a real estate deal. You know what we did? Bought new computers. Jill: Yeah. It went to the business and it made us more effective and it, and I was just so happy. Yep. All right. Quick, you give yourself $500. What are you going to do? Steve: God, I haven't thought about something like this in a long time. Because usually I just go do whatever I want. Jill: I know but- Steve: For 500 bucks, what would I do? You know what I would do? Call up my buddies, probably bring you and your friends, girlfriends, and just pay for everybody's night out. Jill: That's very sweet. Well, now I feel like a little bit like a heel because mine's different. Mine is I call no one. Steve: Oh my God. Is this a spa day at that MZ diamond acquisitions? Jill: No because I have $500, it's just a spa day. That's it. I call no one, I turn off my phone, I leave it in the car and I'm gone for several hours. That's how I celebrate. Steve: Jill, I speak frankly, here. You should be doing that once a week anyway. Jill: I know. I should but spa's are kind of closed right now. Steve: Why don't you schedule that? Jill: Because the spa's are closed right now. That's, trust me, don't you, don't think I'm not, that's not on my list. Steve: Can't you have like a masseuse come to the house? Jill: I haven't really tried that hard but I could probably work on that. So, but thank you, that's not what this show's about. Thank you. Steve: Yes it is. This is about a hundred grand. It's totally about this. Jill: Okay, I guess so. Okay, yes because I just learned, I didn't know of any that would come to the house. And I just heard from somebody recently that they know someone. So that's in the works. But do you know what? I still don't want to do it in my own house. I have to go somewhere because I don't want to have to hide. And you know, I want to just, I'd like to go and be treated. Steve: You want to go somewhere and do that? Huh? What if I leave the house? And then- Jill: It's still not that great. I want to go be treated. Steve: This is interesting. Jill: You know what I want to do? Steve: You learn new stuff about your mate every day. Jill: I want to go to Terranea, or something equivalent, and just really have a nice, nice time. Thank you. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Mohad wrote, I've been practicing using Real Quest Pro to pull data in an area I'm looking to send my first mailer. Once I enter all the criteria and submit, it seems like a lot of the data I pull has some sort of housing on it. I'm entering in zero to 0% improvement and I'm still getting many buildings slash houses. I don't want to waste money on records with houses. I've gone through each land use to figure out which is pulling the records with the houses, but it looks like they are just blended in with several uses. Any suggestions on how to get rid of the houses, to be sure I'm doing something wrong? Steve:

Quick Land Sale vs. Retail Price (LA 1300) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show. Jill: Oops. Steve: Entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about a quick land sale versus retail price. Jill: Right. Steve: You want to explain that title? Because it's kind of your title. Jill: Oh, is it? Okay. It's kind of like, think about the kind of person you want to be. A quick land sale is for me, just how we operate. I used to say I'm a wholesaler, but that even gets confused. I don't want people to ... People have negative thoughts sometimes- Steve: Yeah, it became a negative term. Jill: It did, and it's so silly because I think people see a wholesaler as someone who doesn't acquire property, all they do is assign a- Steve: Get in the way. Jill: ... property. Exactly. Assign it versus yeah, virtually get in the way. I am with you. And the way we do it, which is still wholesaling. People don't, I don't know why it got all garbled. We buy the property. I will seek out the property. I will buy the property. I will pay the full price for the property. We own it. We close escrow, it's in our name. Now I'm going to turn around, mark it up and sell it. So I can choose to quickly double my money and get out or I can, Hm, I can mark it up and some people do this, they get a little greedy and they think about retail. Why would I sell a property, Jill, that I paid $20,000 for? Why would I sell it for $45,000 tomorrow when I can sit and wait and get seventy for it. Because that's really what it's worth. And my question is, why wouldn't you? I mean, do you really want to sit and babysit the property and talk to all the people who want to go drive on it and roll around on it and camp on it and love on it? Have a virtual thing of what their tiny home's going to look like on it and see their family running through the field on it. Dream it up. And waste all that time. I'm kind of getting into the show, but that's describing it and we'll talk more. Steve: The undertone or between the lines here is, the ethics of what we do. That's what I want to get into. Jill: Oh, really? Steve: Yeah, because I haven't heard it recently, but I've heard people in the past, give me a hard time about what we do for a living. We haven't brought this up. Jill: I haven't heard this in a while. Okay, good we'll talk about that. Steve: We haven't brought this up in a long time, but I think it's worth talking about. Jill: I love it. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Gina wrote, "Hello. My name is Gina. I've been doing land investing for a few years now and I guess I'm here to try and see if I can improve my workflow. I send out about 2000 letters a month, but I'd like to make that close to 5000." Thank you, Kevin. One of our moderators. Yep. Steve: Thank you, Kevin, by the way from me. Jill: Yeah. "Any tips, tools tricks you use to scale? I currently work a full time job and simply don't have the time to sort through all the sites and piece together that many records. 2000 sites would be my max without going crazy. Any help from experienced members, such as yourself, would be much appreciated." Cool. So I'm wondering what sites she's going through to piece together records. I'm thinking if she's a member, you're not piecing anything together, you're just- Steve: She's a member. Jill: Okay. So you should be using Real Quest Pro, having an idea before you go into there to download the data, you've spent a lot of time picking the areas, picking the County and getting it all from there. You're holding back. Go. Steve: In the interest of education, I'm going to be very plain speaking here. I don't see the difference between processing 2000 or 5000 at all. In fact,

Quick Land Sale vs. Retail Price (LA 1300) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show. Jill: Oops. Steve: Entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about a quick land sale versus retail price. Jill: Right. Steve: You want to explain that title? Because it's kind of your title. Jill: Oh, is it? Okay. It's kind of like, think about the kind of person you want to be. A quick land sale is for me, just how we operate. I used to say I'm a wholesaler, but that even gets confused. I don't want people to ... People have negative thoughts sometimes- Steve: Yeah, it became a negative term. Jill: It did, and it's so silly because I think people see a wholesaler as someone who doesn't acquire property, all they do is assign a- Steve: Get in the way. Jill: ... property. Exactly. Assign it versus yeah, virtually get in the way. I am with you. And the way we do it, which is still wholesaling. People don't, I don't know why it got all garbled. We buy the property. I will seek out the property. I will buy the property. I will pay the full price for the property. We own it. We close escrow, it's in our name. Now I'm going to turn around, mark it up and sell it. So I can choose to quickly double my money and get out or I can, Hm, I can mark it up and some people do this, they get a little greedy and they think about retail. Why would I sell a property, Jill, that I paid $20,000 for? Why would I sell it for $45,000 tomorrow when I can sit and wait and get seventy for it. Because that's really what it's worth. And my question is, why wouldn't you? I mean, do you really want to sit and babysit the property and talk to all the people who want to go drive on it and roll around on it and camp on it and love on it? Have a virtual thing of what their tiny home's going to look like on it and see their family running through the field on it. Dream it up. And waste all that time. I'm kind of getting into the show, but that's describing it and we'll talk more. Steve: The undertone or between the lines here is, the ethics of what we do. That's what I want to get into. Jill: Oh, really? Steve: Yeah, because I haven't heard it recently, but I've heard people in the past, give me a hard time about what we do for a living. We haven't brought this up. Jill: I haven't heard this in a while. Okay, good we'll talk about that. Steve: We haven't brought this up in a long time, but I think it's worth talking about. Jill: I love it. Steve: Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. Gina wrote, "Hello. My name is Gina. I've been doing land investing for a few years now and I guess I'm here to try and see if I can improve my workflow. I send out about 2000 letters a month, but I'd like to make that close to 5000." Thank you, Kevin. One of our moderators. Yep. Steve: Thank you, Kevin, by the way from me. Jill: Yeah. "Any tips, tools tricks you use to scale? I currently work a full time job and simply don't have the time to sort through all the sites and piece together that many records. 2000 sites would be my max without going crazy. Any help from experienced members, such as yourself, would be much appreciated." Cool. So I'm wondering what sites she's going through to piece together records. I'm thinking if she's a member, you're not piecing anything together, you're just- Steve: She's a member. Jill: Okay. So you should be using Real Quest Pro, having an idea before you go into there to download the data, you've spent a lot of time picking the areas, picking the County and getting it all from there. You're holding back. Go. Steve: In the interest of education, I'm going to be very plain speaking here. I don't see the difference between processing 2000 or 5000 at all. In fact,

Real Definition of Homestead (LA 1299) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land, investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWitt broadcasting from sunny, Southern California. Steve: Today Jill and I talk about, well, really, I talk about, the real definition of the word homestead. Jill: Why is it only you? This came up because of a call that I had it. And this guy was nutty. Well, I'll explain it. But this nutty seller was explaining to me how he got this property. He's the first one to get the property. It was never properly, what was the word he said, what did he call it? Divided. It wasn't subdivided. He said staked out or something like that. And I'm going along like a homestead and he's telling me no. So we talked about it. Now we're going to try to clear this up. Steve: That's interesting. Because I chose this topic because I was reading a stream, an extremely lengthy stream in our Facebook. Jill: So they're talking about it too. Steve: Yeah. It's all over the internet man. And it's so wrong. I have to be real straight here. There's some really bad information about the word homestead. And I know why, because homestead means four or five things to different people. So I'm going to try to clear it up. Jill: It's funny. Steve: And not in a boring way. Jill: [inaudible 00:01:22]. By the way. Steve: That's okay. Jill: Okay, good. I got to say usually we're recording this a few days before. Now pretty much today we're recording on the day. This tells you a little bit about our weekend. Steve: We were late because of our social life interfered with our professional life recently. Jill: You should not let that happen. And we did, "Well, we can record tomorrow." I'll just record tomorrow, or we can record tomorrow. And then here, we're like, Oh, you can't. We have no more tomorrows. Steve: Remember back when we first started out, not with the Atlanta Academy, but just working together. And we were there every day and working hard and all into it. And now it's just a lapse [crosstalk 00:00:02:03]. Jill: [crosstalk 00:02:06] I guess so. Don't do that. Steve: I hear radio radio switches clicking off all over the place right now. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. So Austin wrote, "Hello. After a somewhat successful first round mailer, I have a handful of recorded deeds from the County," as you should. This is great. "I haven't sold anything so far. I focus in Northern Arizona and have five acre plus desert properties that I'm hoping to sell in the 2,500 to $3,000 range. For this price point, is it appropriate to hire a photo company such as WeGoLook. There's others like that too, to shoot photos and or video, or should I use stock photos from the region and those will be adequate?" Thanks, Austin. And we put those in there for [inaudible 00:02:59] people. That's one of the things- Steve: There's 10,000 pictures in the original program of Northern Arizona. Jill: That we shared. Steve: [crosstalk 00:03:08] 10,000, maybe 8,000. Jill: When I say we, I mean, somebody else that worked for us or you. Steve: What do you think about this topic? Jill: I would, you know what? I think that back in the day, it was hard to get people and hard to tell them where to go. And for them to find properties, it was difficult for us alone telling photographer. But nowadays you could get a guy for 50 to 75 bucks off these companies or Craigslist, and you can give them GPS coordinates that they can pop in their phone and they can drive right there. So I think not hiring it I think there's no reason nowadays to not hire a photographer, to go out there, hopefully see a couple... And you've got how many properties? Steve: A handful. Jill: Is there a way... Do all of them at the same time. Have your photographer pick the first sunny day w...

Real Definition of Homestead (LA 1299) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Hello. Steve: Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land, investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWitt broadcasting from sunny, Southern California. Steve: Today Jill and I talk about, well, really, I talk about, the real definition of the word homestead. Jill: Why is it only you? This came up because of a call that I had it. And this guy was nutty. Well, I'll explain it. But this nutty seller was explaining to me how he got this property. He's the first one to get the property. It was never properly, what was the word he said, what did he call it? Divided. It wasn't subdivided. He said staked out or something like that. And I'm going along like a homestead and he's telling me no. So we talked about it. Now we're going to try to clear this up. Steve: That's interesting. Because I chose this topic because I was reading a stream, an extremely lengthy stream in our Facebook. Jill: So they're talking about it too. Steve: Yeah. It's all over the internet man. And it's so wrong. I have to be real straight here. There's some really bad information about the word homestead. And I know why, because homestead means four or five things to different people. So I'm going to try to clear it up. Jill: It's funny. Steve: And not in a boring way. Jill: [inaudible 00:01:22]. By the way. Steve: That's okay. Jill: Okay, good. I got to say usually we're recording this a few days before. Now pretty much today we're recording on the day. This tells you a little bit about our weekend. Steve: We were late because of our social life interfered with our professional life recently. Jill: You should not let that happen. And we did, "Well, we can record tomorrow." I'll just record tomorrow, or we can record tomorrow. And then here, we're like, Oh, you can't. We have no more tomorrows. Steve: Remember back when we first started out, not with the Atlanta Academy, but just working together. And we were there every day and working hard and all into it. And now it's just a lapse [crosstalk 00:00:02:03]. Jill: [crosstalk 00:02:06] I guess so. Don't do that. Steve: I hear radio radio switches clicking off all over the place right now. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill: Okay. So Austin wrote, "Hello. After a somewhat successful first round mailer, I have a handful of recorded deeds from the County," as you should. This is great. "I haven't sold anything so far. I focus in Northern Arizona and have five acre plus desert properties that I'm hoping to sell in the 2,500 to $3,000 range. For this price point, is it appropriate to hire a photo company such as WeGoLook. There's others like that too, to shoot photos and or video, or should I use stock photos from the region and those will be adequate?" Thanks, Austin. And we put those in there for [inaudible 00:02:59] people. That's one of the things- Steve: There's 10,000 pictures in the original program of Northern Arizona. Jill: That we shared. Steve: [crosstalk 00:03:08] 10,000, maybe 8,000. Jill: When I say we, I mean, somebody else that worked for us or you. Steve: What do you think about this topic? Jill: I would, you know what? I think that back in the day, it was hard to get people and hard to tell them where to go. And for them to find properties, it was difficult for us alone telling photographer. But nowadays you could get a guy for 50 to 75 bucks off these companies or Craigslist, and you can give them GPS coordinates that they can pop in their phone and they can drive right there. So I think not hiring it I think there's no reason nowadays to not hire a photographer, to go out there, hopefully see a couple... And you've got how many properties? Steve: A handful. Jill: Is there a way... Do all of them at the same time. Have your photographer pick the first sunny day w...

Thin Line Between Insulting a Seller and Pricing to Buy (LA 1295) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Howdy. Steve: Welcome to Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from sunny northern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about the line between insulting a seller and actually buying a piece of property. This is a topic that's very fresh in how we're buying and selling land, and it's something that we all deal with. It's one of the top five- Jill: It happens. Steve: -or eight questions that we get from new people or really even experienced real estate people, like, "What do you mean you send offers out for 20% of what the property's actually worth?" Jill: Exactly. Steve: How do you deal with that? There truly is a line between... There's a thin line between offering $25 for a piece of property, which I personally think is ridiculous. Some people do it with success. Jill: Right. Steve: We'll talk about all that. Jill: Thank you. Steve: Before we get into it, though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandAcademy.com online community, it's free. Jill: I would like to add on the LandInvestors.com online community, it's free. Steve: Oh, yes. You'll get there. Jill: It's okay. Steve: You'll get there both ways. Jill: That's true. Lucas wrote, "Hi, everyone. Lucas here from Greenville, South Carolina. For some reason, I'm extremely nervous and excited at the same time. After reading the book-" Steve: Are you crying? Crying on the inside. Jill: That's daily. That's kind of how I wake up, nervous and excited. You're not alone, Lucas. Steve: Crying on the inside and laughing on the outside. That's how I wake up. Jill: "That's right. After reading your ebook, listening to the podcasts and watching YouTube interviews, I have become convinced that I want to do this and I could be good at this. I love data. Steve: Excellent. Jill: "I'm part of a manufacturing engineering group, and my colleagues call me the data guy because I so enjoy statistics and deep diving into the metrics." This is all really good. Steve: Excellent. Jill: "And I love land. This is good. I have a dream of starting a homestead with my wife and children someday, so for the last several years, I've been scouring GIS maps and Google Earth, trying to find a hidden gem for our homestead. I have long believed that there are incredible deals out there, just waiting to be found, and I couldn't process the data in a way that was efficient. After spending hours examining attributes of parcels in numerous states, I just couldn't figure out how to get the truly amazing deal. When I saw this community, it was like a lightning bolt turning on. It hadn't even occurred to me that this could be a potential business. I have been focused on upstate South Carolina, western North Carolina, upstate New York and all of Vermont, my home state. Steve: Excellent. Vermont's a great choice. Jill: "Someday, I want to leave properties for my children, and I want them to have business savvy. I feel like I have a knack for this stuff. I just need some direction. My biggest challenge will be managing this endeavor with the time constraints of my full-time job and my life as a parent. I'm so determined, though. If I can make some success with my initial mailer and my first purchase, I know there'll be enough momentum to really change my career. I'm looking forward to meeting some of you and collaborating and sharing ideas. Thank you, Steve and Jill." Awww, that's so cool. Steve: I'm going to turn this over to you right now, just the initial part of it, anyway, because I know that you talked to people constantly in the exact same boat. Jill: There's no question. I'm looking to see. He's just kind of sharing his experiences, right? Steve: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jill: Am I missing something? Steve: I think he joined. Jill:

Thin Line Between Insulting a Seller and Pricing to Buy (LA 1295) Transcript: Steve: Steve and Jill here. Jill: Howdy. Steve: Welcome to Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill: And I'm Jill DeWit, broadcasting from sunny northern California. Steve: Today, Jill and I talk about the line between insulting a seller and actually buying a piece of property. This is a topic that's very fresh in how we're buying and selling land, and it's something that we all deal with. It's one of the top five- Jill: It happens. Steve: -or eight questions that we get from new people or really even experienced real estate people, like, "What do you mean you send offers out for 20% of what the property's actually worth?" Jill: Exactly. Steve: How do you deal with that? There truly is a line between... There's a thin line between offering $25 for a piece of property, which I personally think is ridiculous. Some people do it with success. Jill: Right. Steve: We'll talk about all that. Jill: Thank you. Steve: Before we get into it, though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandAcademy.com online community, it's free. Jill: I would like to add on the LandInvestors.com online community, it's free. Steve: Oh, yes. You'll get there. Jill: It's okay. Steve: You'll get there both ways. Jill: That's true. Lucas wrote, "Hi, everyone. Lucas here from Greenville, South Carolina. For some reason, I'm extremely nervous and excited at the same time. After reading the book-" Steve: Are you crying? Crying on the inside. Jill: That's daily. That's kind of how I wake up, nervous and excited. You're not alone, Lucas. Steve: Crying on the inside and laughing on the outside. That's how I wake up. Jill: "That's right. After reading your ebook, listening to the podcasts and watching YouTube interviews, I have become convinced that I want to do this and I could be good at this. I love data. Steve: Excellent. Jill: "I'm part of a manufacturing engineering group, and my colleagues call me the data guy because I so enjoy statistics and deep diving into the metrics." This is all really good. Steve: Excellent. Jill: "And I love land. This is good. I have a dream of starting a homestead with my wife and children someday, so for the last several years, I've been scouring GIS maps and Google Earth, trying to find a hidden gem for our homestead. I have long believed that there are incredible deals out there, just waiting to be found, and I couldn't process the data in a way that was efficient. After spending hours examining attributes of parcels in numerous states, I just couldn't figure out how to get the truly amazing deal. When I saw this community, it was like a lightning bolt turning on. It hadn't even occurred to me that this could be a potential business. I have been focused on upstate South Carolina, western North Carolina, upstate New York and all of Vermont, my home state. Steve: Excellent. Vermont's a great choice. Jill: "Someday, I want to leave properties for my children, and I want them to have business savvy. I feel like I have a knack for this stuff. I just need some direction. My biggest challenge will be managing this endeavor with the time constraints of my full-time job and my life as a parent. I'm so determined, though. If I can make some success with my initial mailer and my first purchase, I know there'll be enough momentum to really change my career. I'm looking forward to meeting some of you and collaborating and sharing ideas. Thank you, Steve and Jill." Awww, that's so cool. Steve: I'm going to turn this over to you right now, just the initial part of it, anyway, because I know that you talked to people constantly in the exact same boat. Jill: There's no question. I'm looking to see. He's just kind of sharing his experiences, right? Steve: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jill: Am I missing something? Steve: I think he joined. Jill:

This week I'm talking with my friend Jill Stribling. Jill's family has first-hand experience with COVID-19. If you're a longtime listener, you may remember my chat with Jill back in Ep. 35 about her decision to unplug her family, including her 10-year-old son, whose behavior around screens had started to concern her. About Jill Jill is a teacher and is the owner and founder of English for Fun, a school in Madrid, Spain. English for Fun is a learning laboratory where children and adults are empowered to take risks and try new things. They collaborate with the best research institutes throughout the world in order to bring quality education to Spain and to the world. Jill Stribling has a B.A. in Child Development and Psychology and a Master’s degree in Education and specialty in Literacy and Language Arts from California State University and more than 20 years of experience in education. After several years teaching in public schools in Los Angeles, CA, she was recruited by the American School of Madrid in 2001, where she taught Kindergaten and First Grade and took on several leadership roles (i.e. Grade Level Chair, Accreditation Committee Leader, etc.). With her educational and professional experience firmly in place, she developed a methodology for making language learning fun, and began her entrepreneurial journey in 2008 with literally one student in her living room. Shortly afterwards, she had a total of 70 students, and actually had to expand her business. English for Fun is an educational group with an English Enrichment Program for children and adults, an Urban Camp Program, an American Early Childhood Center and a Training Center for educators. Today, she owns schools in Madrid and Pozuelo de Alarcon, and this year alone more than 3,000 students will benefit from the English for Fun method! Back in the fall of 2018, I had the privilege of visiting the Stribling family, touring English for Fun, and speaking with the parents at both of the school campuses. Big Ideas It is important to think of others during this time. If we are not careful, we could cause the death of someone that we or someone else loves. This is a great time to stay inside and work on ourselves. Quotes Jill: I think that this was the scariest thing that I've ever been through in my entire life. Jill: We were really lucky that he recovered in a week. Jill: I think that now looking back on it, we realize, you know, how crazy everything was and how fortunate we are. But, um, but yeah, it was not easy. And, and, you know, I wish looking back on everything that, that not only would we have taken this more seriously when it happened. Jill: If you are someone who is a carrier and you infect other people, you will never know if you caused a death for somebody that someone else loves. Audrey: It's almost as if like, if you don't know anyone directly, it must not be that serious or something. And these numbers of deaths on that we see on the news just seem not as relevant if you don't know them, which is sad. Jill: The thing about how contagious it is is that you don't even realize it until it's too late. Jill: So that for me is the hardest part of this, is all the damage you do to others when you're not careful. Jill: By the time you realize that you have it, you've already passed it to eight to fifteen people. Audrey: I was wishing we had done better because now of course we're seeing that it's kind of everywhere now and cases are still going up in like most of our states. Jill: I think COVID is kind of teaching us that, you know, we've gotta live differently. Jill: It's not about me anymore. It's about somebody's grandmother. It's about somebody's mother who could have cancer. And I know that for a fact, because I have seen it. Jill: I get it like we're social. We want to go out. But I think right now it's the time to work on ourselves. Audrey: I,  like you, hope that from this, we learn that we are a community. We're a global community. What happens over there impacts us, we all have a responsibility. Resources/Links English for Fun NY Times article Jill mentions I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness Review by Audrey One Simple Thing - Find Your Flow What is "Flow"? Flow is a term coined by psychologist Mihaly Csikzentmihalyi (pronounced “cheeks sent me high”) that refers to a state of optimal experience and involvement in an activity during which we are performing at our best. Watch Dr. Csikszentmihalyi talk about flow in his TED Talk, “Flow, the Secret to Happiness.” When we’re in “flow,” we are doing something we really, really enjoy. We can’t wait to do the activity again, and we feel a lot of positive emotions while participating in the activity. We can stick with it for hours without even noticing the time going by. In fact, when we’re in flow, it’s hard to stop whatever we’re doing. Flow is different from pleasure – simply doing things that are enjoyable like watching TV, scrolling on social media, or shopping. Instead, flow activities usually are demanding and take our full attention and concentration. How do I achieve flow? People achieve flow in all different ways, including while playing a musical instrument, playing a sport, writing, painting, attending a concert, bird watching, riding a horse, or running, to name just a few. Often we cannot relate to the passion others have for their personal “flow” activity, since their enthusiasm and passion seem inordinately high. For the lucky ones among us, we find flow in our daily work. The younger you are, the more likely it is that you’ve been in flow today. Young children excel at getting into a state of flow, usually during unstructured play time. As they create their pretend worlds, “cook” in the sand box, build a fort, or swing high on a swing, they are joyful and time flies by for them. Young children are experts at happily living in the moment. As we get older, however, we need to be more aware of getting ourselves into that engaged, amazing state that we enjoyed when we were younger. Official definition of flow Flow is the mental state of operation in which a person performing an activity is fully immersed in a feeling of energized focus, full involvement, and enjoyment in the process of the activity. In essence, flow is characterized by complete absorption in what one does. Possible Flow Activities And here are some ideas of possible flow activities from Deann Ware, Ph.d: Physical activities such as sports, yoga, dance, and martial arts Outdoor challenges such as hiking Music–writing, playing, mixing Art–painting, sculpture, mixed media, pottery Photography Woodworking Do-It-Yourself projects, such as home improvement Working with animals Gardening Cooking and baking Software development/coding Scrapbooking Writing Needlework–sewing, knitting, cross stitch Horseback riding What you do for work (hopefully!) Questions to ask yourself (and your kids) What activities get you into flow? When have you been doing something that you are so engaged that you’ve completely lost track of time? What are new activities you want to try this summer? What makes your heart “sing?” Sometimes, we need to explore different activities before we figure out which activities get us into that awesome state of flow. Don’t worry if you haven’t found that awesome, engaged state yet. Sometimes, it takes awhile to explore, and many adults haven’t even figured it out yet! So start now, while you have some free time, exploring different activities – creative, athletic, academic, etc. – and find your flow! Flow states are a great clue as we figure out who we are and what makes us our best self! Finding Flow My Favorite I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness

Excited to have the fab Jill Streefland on the podcast today. Based in the Netherlands and winner of 5 Reportage Awards and 2 Story Awards, Jill was in our top 30 photographers of 2019, and she shares so much with us today, including: • actually shooting a wedding during the middle of corona times, • shooting fellow wedding photographers' weddings, • her past life as a dancer and its impact on her photography, • how she got into photography, • the story of her very first wedding, • some Netflix recommendations, • Dirty Dancing, • the importance of workshops, • her specific thoughts and tips regarding Story Awards, • the story behind one of specific Reportage Awards, • some life changes she will make going forwards, • word of mouth and social media, • living in the moment, • a memorable mistake, • her recent work in boudoir, • something that bugs her about our industry, • what drives her in life, • what happiness is to her, • advice for just starting out, • and much more... By the way, this interview was actually recorded on 13th June 2020, so if you notice any time discrepencies with what we say - things move so fast during these corona times! - you'll know why. There's a full transcript at https://thisisreportage.com/podcast-episode-36-this-is-jill-streefland/, as well as examples of her work and link to her website. Also, just a quick word before we go over to Jill: It's been so exciting this week to see so many photographers from all over the world join our brand new sister site for documentary family photography, This is Reportage: Family. We only launched last week and we already have over 130 members; just been blown away by the response. So exciting to be promoting the power and skill of both documentary family photography, and documentary wedding photography, with the two TiR sister-sites going forward. Exciting times!

What’s In This Episode: Brad: Welcome to breaking down your business, episode 365. You can find the show notes of this episode of breakingdownyourbusiness.com/365. Jill: It's us again. Oh my gosh, 365 episodes. Brad: It's like a whole year. People don't spend a whole year with us. Jill: Look at you, good at math. Brad: I did that in my head. Jill: Yeah. Brad: Not even a calculator. Jill: Unbelievable. Thank you to everybody who has stayed with us for fricking 365 episodes.

What’s In This Episode: Brad: Welcome to breaking down your business episode 364. [crosstalk 00:00:10]. Jill: Hello. It's still up. Brad: You can find the show notes for this episode of breaking down your business.com/ Jill: I don't know, but you just said episood. I don't know. Brad: 364. Jill: It's like you still can't pronounce. We're 364 episodes then he's going to learn to speak English one day. Brad: I don't know why you think that. Jill: I don't know cause it helps with running a business. Brad: I'm 53 years old. I am not going to learn something. [crosstalk 00:00:36] Pronunciation things. Jill: I see, you're not going to learn words.

What’s In This Episode: Brad: Welcome to episode 357 of Breaking Down Your Business. Jill: Hello everybody. Brad: There's Jill. Jill: Hey. I- Brad: I'm Brad. Jill: ... Already miss you, Brad. I'm Jill and you're Brad. Brad: It's true. Jill: And it's really, really difficult to do this right now. Do you want to tell the people why? Brad: Well, so the last couple of episodes were recorded before the coronavirus overtook the United States. And so they were recorded in the studio at the beginning of March and we wanted to rush back into the studio and do like a coronavirus update for you. But- Jill: We couldn't. Brad: ... that didn't work out. Jill: It did not. Brad: Because Jill has been struck with the coronavirus.

What’s In This Episode: Jill: If you want to play to my heartstrings, like every good story, like every good book or movie, I need you to move me emotionally. Brad: Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business, episode 351. You can find the show notes for this episode at breakingdownyourbusiness.com/351. Jill: 351. Brad: When you go there, you might notice that we have a fresh coat of paint. Jill: We do. New website, re-hauled, overhauled- Brad: Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Jill: ... over-site, over-web, website overhaul. We do. Brad: That word salad there, that's Jill from The Founding Moms. Jill: It is, and I believe we're listening to Brad from Anchor Advisors.

Brad: There are definitely days when I lose a deal and I'm like, I'm never going to work again. No one's ever going to hire me. I just don't need someone to say, "Fred, you had three bad deals in a row." Brad: Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business episode 346. Jill: It really does scare me every time. Every time. Brad: You can find the show notes for this episode at BreakingDownYourBusiness.com/346. Jill: 346. That's a lot of episodes. Brad: I'm Brad from Anchor Advisors. Jill: I'm Jill from The Founding Moms. Brad: Jill, what are we talking about today? Jill: I don't know, but I'm feeling very military today. I don't know why. Brad: This month we've been talking about accountability.

Brad: If you're not scared, like if you're not making a promise that makes you go "Jeez! Can I say that?" You're probably not making a big enough promise. Welcome to Breaking Down Your Business Episode 343. Jill: Yes it is. Brad: [crosstalk 00:00:15]. Brad: I'm [Brad 00:00:18] from Anchor Advisors. Jill: I'm [Jill 00:00:21] from the Founding Moms. Brad: How's the eggnog going? Jill: It's delightful and delicious. Brad: Do you want some? Do you have some left over for tonight? Jill: We'll see. We'll see. I don't know. I don't know. It's delicious. It's delicious. Are you going out tonight? Brad: No. Jill: Partying? Brad: Amateur hour. Jill: What? But it's going to be a whole new year in like a couple of hours. Brad: It is, yeah. And I'll be asleep. Jill: All right. Brad: Because I'm... Whatever.

Land Academy Members Self Start Accountability Metric to Insure Success (LA 1097) Transcript: Steve:                   Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Hi. Steve:                   Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill Dewitt, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve:                   Today Jill and I talk about how Land Academy members have self-started an accountability metric to ensure their own success. Jill:                          I love it. Steve:                   Who the heck wrote that title? Jill:                          Wasn't me, because the word metric was in it. Steve:                   What does it mean? What it means is some smart person in our group started a Facebook group called accountability, Land Academy accountability. And the people that join it, you know it's an invite only or it's like requests only, how that works. Jill:                          It's a secret group. Steve:                   And they- Jill:                          It's not secret now, sorry. Steve:                   It's not secret anymore. When certain people start off on stuff like this, everybody knows this. It's hard to stay on track. Stuff happens. Like you got to pick up your kids from school or whatever. Your job gets in the way. So this is an accountability group to make sure that if you commit to sending out, it's kind of like Weight Watchers, you are going to get weighed in ... I don't even know how the Weight Watchers works. Jill:                          I can tell you. Steve:                   How does Weight Watchers work? Jill:                          There is a weekly weigh in. It's true. It's actually funny. Steve:                   I'm choking myself laughing. Jill:                          Why Weight Watchers came from, but okay. Steve:                   So what happens in Weight Watchers? Do you say I'm going to lose a pound or I'm going to stay on this diet? Is it like, let's see how this goes next week on the scale or I have a goal in losing a pound? Jill:                          Well you have a goal. Well, in the old days when I did Weight Watchers way back when, like you kept track, it wasn't on our phones back then and you kept track of it, you had points and you could eat so many points a day. And then once we could go to meeting and you'd weigh in and meet with your person, they say yay and you'd sit down and someone would talk and then you go home with a bunch of recipes. Steve:                   So does everybody like not eat the day before? Jill:                          Oh, I'm sure. Oh yeah. And they like drink a lot of coffee. Try to get things going before you go to the meeting. And like were your thinnest, lightest weight clothes, like don't wear a sweatshirt that might weigh something. It's so funny. Take your shoes off. Steve:                   So I don't, I'm not a member of this group. I think you are though. Jill:                          Oh, I was. Weight Watchers way back when. Steve:                   No, no. This accountability group. Sorry, I changed gear. Jill:                          No, no. Steven. I am actually not currently a Weight Watchers member. I do however support, always support Weight Watchers. I am not a Weight Watchers member at the time. Are you telling me I should? Steve:                   No. It has nothing do do with- Jill:                          Is this about the chump? Steve:                   No. Yeah. You don't ever want to talk about any woman's weight. Jill:                          That should be the stump the chump, like do you bring up Weight Watchers with a woman? Steve:                   Sitting next to a woman on your own show, do you even bring up Weight Watchers. What kind of idiot would bring up Weight Watchers? Jill:                          And then ask me questions about it. Like,

How to Make a Good Land Posting (LA 1082) Transcript: Steve:                   Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Good day. Steve:                   Welcome to The Land Academy Show, Entertaining Land Investment Talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill Dewitt, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve:                   Today, Jill and I talk about how a good- how to make a good land posting. Sorry. I got a little confused there for a second. Jill:                          Okay. What is a good land posting? Steve:                   What is a land posting? Jill:                          What? Steve:                   What's a land posting? Jill:                          Wait a minute. Steve:                   Wait, don't I just call my real estate agent and say, "Hey, I've got a piece of property. How about you sell it?" Jill:                          Can I just put a for sale sign on it, and just walk away? Put my phone number? Steve:                   This has got off to a good start. Jill:                          Oh, good. Steve:                   Because that's what I think the whole world thinks. Jill:                          I want to think. Okay, let's think of all the things you would just [inaudible 00:00:43] like. Steve:                   My sister in-law is a real estate agent [inaudible] last Christmas she was talking about a piece of land that this she looked at. Let's call her. Jill:                          Yeah. Steve:                   Shell get solved, it'll be fine. Jill:                          Well, how about the girl that we bought our house from? Let's just call her. Steve:                   So it turns out it 21st century, almost a quarter of the way through the 21st century, we are think about that and the internet and how we do stuff with computers is so dramatically changed. This industry since it was kind of the whole concept of it, the modern day real estate industry was started in the forties and fifties 1940s and fifties for some reason there's lingering real estate agents still. Jill:                          Yep. Steve:                   If you want the answer to that question, go see who the number two lobbyist group is in Washington for the last 35 years. Jill:                          That's interesting. Steve:                   It's the national association of realtors anyway. Jill:                          Who are they? Who are they behind? I hate to guess, does it start with an N? Jill:                          [inaudible 00:01:41]. Jill:                          Is it? is it, is is number one the, is it the NRA is number one? Steve:                   NRA, up there, it's top five. Jill:                          Okay, I would guess. Steve:                   That's a good question. Jill:                          We should look this up. Steve:                   I only ever looked. I look up, I obsess on this stuff. Jill:                          I know. Steve:                   And all five of them or if you just, they're propping themselves up, falsely. Like it removes ironically removes the raw supply and demand of capitalism. But wow that went sideways fast. Steve:                   Turns out... Jill:                          You're getting a lecture from dad right now or professor Steve pick one. Steve:                   Jill and I are in the pre development of a show called the Jack and Jill show about relationships and working together and you know, kind of like couples therapy and, and a non real estate show for is what Jill wants to do and I and I completely agree with her. Jill:                          It's going to happen. Steve:                   So what we're practicing that was a... [Inaudible 00:02:42]. Jill:                          There we go. Perfect. Thank you. Professor Butala. Steve:                   It'll launch out in October and I'm sure it'll fail.

How to Get Over the Fear of Buying Property (1070) Transcript: Steven:                Steven and Jill here. Jill:                          Good day. Steven:                Welcome to the Land Academy Show. Entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill Dewitt broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steven:                Today, Jill and I talk about how to get over the fear of buying property. Seems like such an interesting, funny, incredibly unnecessary topic, but I know it's- Jill:                          Oh my gosh, are you serious? Steven:                Yeah, to me it does. Jill:                          To me it's a necessary. Steven:                Yeah. Jill:                          Unnecessary. Just because you have no fear and I have no fear, it doesn't mean- Steven:                Any fear of buying real estate at all. Jill:                          I do not. Steven:                Have you ever? Jill:                          No. Steven:                Neither have I. Jill:                          Hold on a moment. That does not mean that everybody's that way. If it's one thing I have learned. Steven:                Well you just cut me off in the middle of the sentence, but that's okay. Jill:                          I'm sorry. I didn't know you were going there. Steven:                You know what we should do that's so, it's going to be annoying to the listener, but really fun for us. Jill:                          So sorry. Steven:                Every single sentence the other person says, just cut them off. Jill:                          Not nice. Steven:                Go ahead, Jill. Jill:                          No I didn't mean to do that. Steven:                It's not a trap, I mean it. Go ahead. Jill:                          Finish your thing. Steven:                No, I can't remember what I was going to say. Jill:                          Oh, well, sorry. Steven:                Look, this show is all about learning how to buy and sell real estate, so it's not really about Jill and I at all. So what comes easy to us might be incredibly difficult for somebody and vice versa. So this topic came up because we have a lot of new staff right now, and I'm learning by watching how they're doing deals and what they're bringing to the table that adds to what Jill and I can bring to the table. You know, there's some concern about ... you know what I think this really shows really about, and then I'll let you take over, because I know you have a lot of notes. It's just insecurity, not about buying real estate, it's just like fear of failure. Jill:                          Well I was going to say, I really saw it when we were talking about the topics. Not our people, the members. I talked to new members all the time. New and or thinking about jumping in, and this is one of their concerns. Steven:                Oh, okay, good. So it is necessary. Jill:                          It is necessary. And I have a lot more to say when we talk about the show. Steven:                Before we get into it, let's take to a topic posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Joe wrote, "Hello, my name is Joe. I'm 28 years old, married and no kids. New to this site and learning about land investing. I'm very interested. This is definitely something I want to do. However, I don't really know the best path to take at this point in my life. I have a decent paying job, but I hate it." Poor guy. "I'm just now getting to where I can make a change. I either want to go back to college or go back into the military. Now that I've found this, I'm not sure if I should focus on getting a better career first and then working towards investing in land, or just use the job I have now to save and get started. I don't know really what it takes to get going and I don't know h...

What’s In This Episode: Brad's a little confused about what customer experience actually is, so Jill and Brad call CX guru Jeannie Walters to help him out. "Whether you know it or not, you are providing a customer experience." - Jeannie Walters Jeannie explains that customer experience is the journey someone takes before they become a customer all the way to when they either cease to be a customer or become a lifelong advocate. The businesses who do it well are proactive about the experiences they're providing. Done right, it can lead to more referrals and more value. However, most businesses don't factor in what customer experience might mean, and instead just focus on making the sale and getting the customer. But you can decide what sort of customer experience you want to deliver and build that into the way you do business leading to positive results for everyone involved. "If I told you that by tweaking a line on your invoice... would get you three new referrals, wouldn't that be worth it?" - Jill It used to be that you needed 12 positive experiences to overcome one negative one - and now you need 22. It can seem overwhelming. So if you're just getting started with customer experience, what can you do? Start with repair and little changes. It feels like a lot of work but with feedback from your customers, it makes a huge difference. What customer experience are you providing? Hang out with Jill and Brad! Wanna join Jill and Brad for drinks at their FIRST-EVER offline event? Meet them September 13 at Park & Field in Chicago to get your shouting on. RSVP here. Guest: Jeannie Walters is the CEO/Founder of Experience Investigators™ by 360Connext, a global Customer Experience consulting firm. She has 20 years of experience helping companies improve loyalty and retention, employee engagement, and overall customer experience. Visit her website and sign up for her 21-day CX challenge.

Finance Friday with Steven Butala and Justin Sliva (LA 908) Transcript: Steven:                Stephen, Justin, and Jill here. Welcome to the Land Academy show. Entertaining land investment talk, I'm Steven Jack Butala with Justin Sliva. Jill:                          And Jill Dewit broadcasting from sunny Southern California and Justin:                   Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas. Steven:                Today Jill and I talk about, every Friday, Finance Friday and the deals that we're doing. Jill:                          And I get to be a guest. Today. Steven:                I know you love that. Jill:                          I know. Steven:                Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com community. It's free! Jill:                          Before we get into this, can I talk about what we just were talking about? Steven:                Sure. Jill:                          It's so flippin' funny. So we're doing two shows back to back right now. Recording two shows back to back and Justin's the only one who did the cost. See why I'm like, "Yeah whatever." Justin:                   You outed me! Steven:                Jill and I, this is show 908, 908 for us, and Justin, show number 12. So he's still excited, you know? We're just done with it. [crosstalk 00:01:05] Justin:                   I'm using the kids, threw me a bottle of water to I could lube up my throat. You've got two minutes, go go go! [crosstalk 00:01:17] My son is crawling under my desk right now to get out. Jill:                          Steven and I have our feet up today in recliners, whatever. Steven:                We're both a little buzzed from the night last night actually. Jill:                          Yeah it doesn't matter. Justin:                   Take another shot. Jill:                          Guy drops dead right now. Justin:                   I went to bed at 8:45 last night, now I feel horrible. We just went to bed early. We watched Jack Ryan. Jill:                          Oh cool, how was your birthday? I, last week- Justin:                   It was good! Yeah it was pretty low-key on the day before but me and my wife went out the weekend before. First time we've actually had a date, just us two, in probably five or six months, it'd been a while and I've been asking her, she's like doesn't want to leave the new baby with people. We went to the Mexican restaurant that we normally go to and I think we are going to split a pitcher of margaritas and she's like "I want this jalapeno margarita." So then I started drinking rum and Cokes. Nine later at the second bar we're at, with some great people watching us, a cool funk band on, so it was a lot of fun. Steven:                That's how the fourth child happens. Jill:                          Yeah. Careful! Justin:                   No, no. Unless I have another wife. [crosstalk 00:02:27] If there's a fourth child come involved you're going to see half the wall behind me, she's gonna take half of everything. Steven:                Every once in a while Justin says some really Texan stuff. [crosstalk 00:02:41] Get another wife though. We don't let that happen in California. Jill:                          You guys. Alright I will read the question now. I will save this. Read the question. Brandon asks, "I have a money partner that I started mailing for to purchase houses and just closed on our first house and he's in the process of fixing it up and we'll be selling it soon. Now that he has seen that this actually works, he asks if we can mail to multi-family apartments to try to pick up one at a discount." Steven:                This is perfect for Justin. Jill:                          I know! "[crosstalk 00:03:20] and I know how to get the data, but my question is, do you send out blind offers for apartments too? If so, how would you price them? Because apartment values based on the net income and c...

Jill Richmond joins us today to talk about the U.S. government’s somewhat mixed success to date in regulating cryptocurrency and the growing push by predominantly conservative political forces to reduce federal intervention and give states a bigger say in how this new economy is regulated. Jill brings us up to speed on how crypto trade and lobbying groups such as the Digital Asset Trade Association (DATA), which she Co-Founded, are faring in their efforts to ensure that states pass consistent laws across the board. And she explains how the growing tensions between states and Washington D.C. on crypto regulation involves the principle of  federalism. We’ll give you a report card of states and show how some states are doing better than others at this political gamesmanship. Tune in to find out what’s fact, what’s substance, and what’s grandstanding in the growing political battle over cryptocurrency. Topics Covered in this Conversation with Jill Richmond: – Patchwork of federal regulations – Confusion and lack of clarity – Complex woolly regulatory environment – States trying to create clarity for companies – Many states also creating patchwork of laws – Difficulties of crypto companies to get banked – Interest from banks to move to foreign jurisdictions – Confusion over definition of cryptocurrency and ICOs – Role of federalism in crypto politics – Conservative groups working to give more power to states – Digital Asset Trade Association (DATA)  working to create consistent state legislation – States Report Card – How DATA was created and got involved in legislative activity – States doing the most on regulation – Gubernatorial races and impact on industry – Wyoming becoming Delaware of crypto – Rise of crypto banks – Getting Congress to become more engaged – Closing thoughts and key takeaways   Questions and Comments? podcast@gem.co Guest Contact Information Jill Richmond LinkedIn | Twitter | Telegram Website: Digital Asset Trade Association Resource Links Blockchain and Cryptocurrency: State Law Roundup US Election Sees Crypto-Friendly Politicians Win Governor Races DATA Continues To Move the Needle in Wyoming Wyoming Eyes Creation of Blockchain-Friendly Bank to Lure Bitcoin Startups State Regulations on Virtual Currency and Blockchain Technologies Crypto industry leaders warn Congress: Figure out regulation, or watch innovation leave the US Colorado Digital Token Act Wyoming wants to be Delaware of the West With Business Court U.S. State of Wyoming Defines Cryptocurrency ‘Utility Tokens’ as New Asset Class Transcript: Interview with Jill Richmond Interview Recorded On: January 8th, 2019 Topic: Politics and Crypto   Chitra: Welcome to the show, Jill. It's great to have you.   Jill: No, it's great to be here. Thanks, Chitra.   Chitra: Thanks so much. So this past year there was a tremendous amount of interpretation and confusion it seemed on how different federal agencies were defining how cryptocurrency should be regulated.   Jill: Sure. So - and I think to lean into that a little bit more - I think you have everyone from the SEC to the CFTC to FinCEN determining whether we're looking at property, we're looking at commodity, or we're looking at a security, but none really turning around and saying this may be a new asset class. So, what you have is agencies that leaned in really hard without creating a lot of clarity and companies wrote reactively and proactively trying to respond to what was either coming down the pike as they anticipated it. And so, interestingly enough, what you've started to see as a result of this kind of complex woolly regulatory environment is states and hopefully on the federal side, trying to lean as heavy as they can and trying to create some clarity for companies, individuals, and otherwise, and obviously consumers in terms of how they need to behave, operate within a framework in the United States.   Chitra: Let's pause for a minute and talk about the current state of affairs for businesses and investors when it comes to pain points and friction in how they're operating.   Jill: Okay, sure. So, I guess you sort of need to define what you're talking about here, are you talking about cryptocurrency? Are you talking about blockchain technology?   Chitra: Cryptocurrency.   Jill: Cryptocurrency, fine. Okay. So for cryptocurrency, you have a lot of companies that have very difficult time trying to get banked. So there are banks that are more or less unhelpful to companies that are operating in the US and companies are finding themselves having to find a jurisdiction and bank outside of the US. So there's this, I would say, this interest in moving to other jurisdictions. So that's a huge pain point for companies. Certainly companies who were trying to bank class last year had a very difficult time. I can get to that later. In terms of what legislation is on the ground, possibly in Wyoming to have a bank that basically is supporting blockchain and crypto-based companies.   There are pain points around, even companies, and I'm often uncomfortable in discussing it, but there were companies who essentially said, look, we want to do an ICO. Can we do an ICO in this country? Does that mean that we have to turn around and now only work with accredited investors?   Chitra: An ICO is an initial coin offering, which is a method of crowdfunding in cryptocurrency.   Jill: Yes. So, essentially, companies last year were producing utility tokens and treating those utility tokens effectively as an investment vehicle and running afoul of major securities law. Essentially treating a token, utility token, extensively, which needs to be treated as utility token. In other words, the token has utility consumptive value within the ecosystem.   Chitra: Unlike a security for instance, which the SEC says ICOs and tokens essentially are.   Jill: That's right. So there is still real value in having a utility. That utility token, however, should not, could not, cannot be treated as an investment contract per se. So it's the intent around what that token’s primary purpose is.   Chitra: And this is a source of great disagreement at the federal level.   Jill: It is still a source of great disagreement, although I don't know because the disagreement is such that, the SEC still looks at the how we test as-   Chitra: Which is a supreme court test that deals with securities regulation.   Jill: That's right. And so, in applying that test to, I guess a utility token, it can be very complicated. And as I said, it often is about the intent of the utility tokens. So, there was legislation that was created out in Wyoming. We can cover that, HB 70, which was a bill that was passed in a Wyoming last March that we helped. And I can tell you that we helped shepherd along, which really stipulated effectively what a utility or an open token is and that it is exempt from property taxes.   Chitra: So this is important because the SEC says that cryptocurrency is a security and is illegal unless regulated by the SEC, then you've got the commodities future trading commission. The CFTC says, oh no, cryptocurrency is a commodity. And then you have the IRS saying cryptocurrency is property. And then you have FinCEN which is the treasury’s financial crimes enforcement network saying that it is money. So you have all of these different interpretations. But now you have a state named the Wyoming saying, we believe that utility tokens can be essentially exempt from-   Jill: Property taxes.   Chitra: ...from property taxes. So it seems like this is a perfect example of federalism at play. So can you talk a little bit about how federalism is kind of playing a role here and eventually they'll, it seems that in situations like that often courtside with the federal laws and so how will this all play out?   Jill: Yeah, it's a good question and we haven't seen it yet. So yes, it is a perfect example of federalism, but you still have major issues that fall within, I guess financial markets to some extent, taxes and otherwise that are still at the purview of the state level. So, as long as you are working closely with the state securities, if you're working around securities law as it relates on the state level, you're extensively okay. Do I think that there's going to be a showdown about what's happening in Wyoming? I don't know. We haven't seen it yet and it's hard for me to predict whether we're going to start seeing the courts take on what's happening on a state level. It's still extremely nascent right now. I mean with Wyoming being probably the front runner and the most maybe controversial legislation on the ground in one particular state.   Chitra: Let's go back to the broader area. It seems that many states are now weighing in on how cryptocurrency should be regulated. And the Brookings Institute essentially categorized states in seven different ways. And they said there are states that are unaware, reactionary, appreciative, organized, actively engaged and recognizing innovation potential. And I know that your trade group, The Digital Assets Trade Association has also done a lot of work and done a report card on how states are fairing when dealing with cryptocurrency. Can you sum up what you’ve found?   Jill: Yeah, I think that's fair. So what you saw in 2014, is the first wave of kind of 20 states that came in and started to regulate or started to create legislation acknowledging cryptocurrency and more or less protecting the consumer. So you've got New York and California and the license. So, but fast forward to 2018 really is sort of the next wave of states that fall within those sort of seven categories. So for us at The Digital Asset Trade Association and I love the Brookings, I thought Brookings did a great job of breaking that down, at least for people who were slightly unaware of what's going on on a state level. What we did is take it a little, a step further, which is to say the elections are imminent and let's kind of highlight some of the governors that we know are either proactive. So in the case of Colorado, we had Jared Polis who we know as a state legislator, formed the blockchain coalition.   Chitra: And you're referring to the 2018 midterm elections.   Jill: [crosstalk] That's correct. Yeah. So anyway, the short version of a long story is that where seven of those states fit. So there are seven key states that are really looking into legislation that not only is acknowledging the technology, but are creating safe harbor legislation and also, trying to identify where blockchain technology fits around public and private services. So, can we have state records on a blockchain? Can we have... how are we treating smart contracts? So you have places like Delaware, Arizona was extremely progressive. Wyoming as we know which issued and passed six bills last year, extremely progressive and probably the most progressive.   So our scorecard was basically giving, we're giving governors and states, essentially an A rating or a passive rating or an A rating, so to speak. So at least voters started to understand where their state fit and where their legislators fit around adopting legislation that was probably creating job creation within their state. So it wasn't just about cryptocurrency, it was, look, we're taking a really strong position. We want companies to set up shop in the case of Wyoming and we want to be seen as an innovation hub.   Chitra: So what's at stake really here is the entire new ecosystem that's being built around cryptocurrency. So it's a jobs and attracting more companies to increase your tax base. There seems to be a lot at stake here.   Jill: Yeah, there is a lot at stake and I think there's still that pivotal moment where legislators are starting to see if they take action, they can retain talent, company innovation, staying either in-state and not fleeing to a new jurisdiction. That's the hope. That, that innovation, that sandbox legislation that gets put on the table in Colorado for instance, creates opportunities for new financial based or fintech-based companies to operate within their state and not flee and go somewhere else.   Chitra: What are the stakes for crypto businesses in terms of the friction we talked about, the pain points, what do they want?   Jill: Oh, well. I guess it was September of this year, there was a real, there was a round table on a federal level that was put together with a number of major players within the industry and above and beyond all else, it was clarity. It was just clarity. It was the, look, in order for us to have big money come into this industry, it needs to be regulated well, it needs to be regulated with clarity and their hopes in the friction at least as far as they're concern is as they're building new financial products and infrastructure, that clarity means everything in terms of, again, where that innovation is coming from. Is it in Korea or is it really coming out of the United States? Is it coming from Malta or is it coming from the United States?   Chitra: So you have at the federal level, a patchwork of guidance and confusion. And now you have states jumping in and every state is trying to issue its own idex on regulation of cryptocurrency. You have the underlying kind of a conservative political movement steeped in federalism that's tried to give more [crosstalk] power to the states from ALEC, the conservative organization, the American Legislative Exchange Council. So you have that underlying kind of political movement that's driving some of this stuff. And then we have groups like yours that's trying to wrestle all of this to the ground and finding some kind of consistency. So how is this all working out?   Jill: Well, it's complicated. So, and maybe it helps if I give a little bit of an information. Oh, I help you understand a little bit about DATA, so-   Chitra: Your organization?   Jill: My organization, which is The Digital Asset Trade Association. The Digital Asset Trade Association, let me just sort of give some context to bring you right back. Digital Asset Trade Association was really formed last year. End of January, we had a round table with the chief information officer at the CFTC and the SEC and we sat down in a private room with stakeholders from blockchain and crypto-based companies and said, what can we do to help you? In not so many words, what can we do to help you communicate directly to the companies and understand their pain points and help you understand how do you either both weed out bad actors or be compliant or operate in a way that is moving the needle on proactivity?   And so what came out of it, at least the timing, was Wyoming was really fast moving in introducing six pieces of legislation. And we as an organization that had just been formed, turned around and said, we're going to focus all of our energy and attention over to Wyoming. We're going to work closely with the Wyoming blockchain coalition. We're going to work closely with Caitlin Long and help them shepherd through kind of a stake in the ground and that's what we did and we did it very quickly. It was within two weeks. We sort of dropped in like a SWAT team, testified, introduced as much language, education, support as the state needed. Walked away and said, okay, we have our mission. Our mission is now to use Wyoming as kind of the ground zero, even though there were other states before, but use Wyoming as sort of the proverbial ground zero and say, now let's try and create federal language that takes HB 70, for instance, on a federal level and create consistency among states.   Chitra: [crosstalk] utility token definition.   Jill: This is utility token definition, exactly. And so, we started to get inbound requests from states and guidance and support and we went over to Colorado and started working in Colorado to help pass legislation that by the way, did not pass. But we have a very different makeup in the Senate and the House right now and we have a very progressive governor. And so the short version of a long story, is DATA was really formed to create consistency among states and we will be working with bodies like ALEC to help support that consistency among states.   Chitra: But at the moment, given this patchwork, the fact which of course is democracy at its best and worst as we know it, is this a blessing or a curse that states are jumping in willy nilly to try to change and shape this ecosystem.   Jill: Is it Pollyannaish for me to say it's a blessing and a curse? Because it is. It's a blessing because you almost need to do this pincer move. There's a little bit of a pincer move that needs to happen. States are going to jump in and they're going to try and clarify and they're certainly going to do that hopefully, or at least in their best interest, which is to attract companies and they're going to go head to, so Wyoming is going to go head to head with Delaware and you've got states that are going to start competing with each other to attract talent, to attract innovation. Now is that helpful for those companies? Probably not. The reasons why states are doing it versus why companies need to have some defining language. So, it's a blessing because now you have companies that are like, great, I feel like I can go move-   Chitra: They have a home.   Jill: They have a home, they can move to Colorado and there are a lot of major companies in Colorado. They can move to, you have kind of, you have companies that are now at least exchanges that have turned around and said, okay, we can move out to Wyoming and leave Washington for instance. So you're attracting talent, but you will have to create a serious pincer move around the introduction of a lot of that consistent legislation on the federal side now. And we hope as a trade organization to bridge, we've got many masters, but to bridge that chasm so to speak.   Chitra: And one of the things you're seeing is the education of politicians both at the federal and at the state level about blockchain technology and cryptocurrency and the midterm elections were significant for the cryptocurrency industry in that you had the election of three crypto savvy, crypto friendly governors, I guess it was Jared Polis of Colorado and-   Jill: Gavin Newsom.   Chitra: Gavin Newsom of California and you had the third one was Mark Gordon of Wyoming-   Jill: Wyoming.   Chitra: ... of course. And then you had-   Jill: He was inaugurated last night.   Chitra: Yeah. And then you had two who were re-elected. One was Gina Raimondo of Rhode Island and Greg Abbott of Texas. So you've got five state governors now who are getting educated and are knowledgeable and supportive of cryptocurrency. And that seems to, that that's going to have an impact too.   Jill: Yeah, it will. I mean, you absolutely will. I mean, you're literally starting to see the movement of that legislation right now. You've got bills that are hitting the House floor in Colorado. You have new package legislation that we hope we expect to get very little push back on, but we don't know. There's now five bills that are hitting the House floor on Friday.   Chitra: In Wyoming?   Jill: Wyoming.   Chitra: And what do they, just generally speaking broadly, what are they trying to do those bills?   Jill: So you've got, and I'm going to lose the number, but I think it's HB 76, so forgive me on that. We'll have to edit that. But HB 76, so you have clarifying legislation, which is just re-clarifying HB 70. It helps to clarify in terms of the utility and the exemption of property taxes. And the most important bill, I think that's hitting the floor is a banking bill. Which is setting up the establishment of a bank, which is-   Chitra: A crypto bank.   Jill: A crypto bank.   Chitra: The first of its kind?   Jill: It will be the first of its kind, which is not FDIC insured. So there will be no lending, but it is really for the purposes of depository and acts really for companies to be able to have a bank. I don't know, you've been in this industry long enough to see what it's like to try and set up a bank account. It's often your bank account is shut or frozen or you have a ton of issues and this is a huge pain point for companies. So, I think part of the package of legislation in Wyoming is again, to attract companies and talent.   Chitra: So, in essence is Wyoming trying to become for Crypto what Delaware is for traditional banking for instance?   Jill: It is. Yeah. It is. I think you saw 1977, Wyoming really was the first issue, the LLC. And so, I think there's always been a little bit of a rivalry between Wyoming and Delaware of sorts. But Wyoming has attractive reasons for companies to go. And, I will say that only because I'm watching companies that are relocating to Wyoming that are setting up developer communities across Wyoming that are setting up a secondary office or a third office or a fourth office so that they can take advantage of what Wyoming offers them. Not that I'm plugging Wyoming, I don't live there, but it's-   Chitra: It's one of the states that's proving to be friendly to crypto businesses.   Jill: Yeah, that's right.   Chitra: So let's look ahead to this year, 2019. What do you see happening in terms of federal legislation regulation, state legislation regulation, studies, business development across the spectrum? Where do you see us ending up at the end of 2019 compared to where we were a year ago?   Jill: I think you're going to get a lot more clarity. I mean, I do believe that there is so, I think on a macro level you've seen all of the pieces of the puzzle be put back together again to the extent that you have now strong movement on the state level. So you have a number of bills and key states that are moving. You've got New Jersey that's moving on legislation and Arizona as we know, has moved on legislation. We're getting inquiries from New Mexico and otherwise, legislation that is a little bit more closely aligned with either our agenda of our members or closely aligned with creating innovation etc and just clarity. And I think that the makeup on the federal side, at least in Congress, is such that we will start to move much more quickly in creating consistency as well. So I think-   Chitra: [crosstalk] If nothing else, maybe this is an invitation for Congress to jump in and start to provide some of this legislative language to clarify some of these issues and then reduce the confusion.   Jill: Agreed. I mean, I think this is a good year to see some, either groundbreaking movement or some clarity. So, I think you saw it was maybe December 11th and there was a lot of, it wasn't the most welcome move, but I think you saw the CFTC did a public request for input really around aspects of how Ether and the Ethereum network operates. You're starting to see the engagement at least open inquiries into, let's figure this out.   Chitra: Great. Any closing thoughts, Jill?   Jill: Yeah, I think, look, I'm a big proponent of my organization. We are constantly looking for support in companies that want to join our working groups, especially as we develop working groups post-Wyoming around really around banking and identity and otherwise. And so I would say please sort of visit us at digitalasset.org and keep an eye on what we're doing in Wyoming and keep an eye on what we're doing in Colorado.   Chitra: Great. And where can people learn more about you and the work you're doing?   Jill: So you can find, so digitalasset.org that's probably the best way. And you can certainly reach out to me directly at jill.richmond@digitalasset.org.   Chitra: Awesome. Well, Jill it has been so great to have you on the show, and there's so much going on that a lot of us are not even aware of at the state and federal level. Jill: Yeah. Thanks for asking. Yeah, thank you.

Elie Katzenson interviews East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest (EBABZ) organizers Gillian Dreher, June Hong, and Maira McDermott about the specialness of zines and their relevance as underground publications for activists, artists, and writers in search for total creative freedom and publishing options.Transcript:Elie Katzenson:This is Method To The Madness, a biweekly public affairs show on KALX Berkeley celebrating Bay Area innovators.I am Elie Katzenson. I am here with the organizers of EBABZ, which stands for the East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest, which is coming up this Saturday, December 8th at Omni Commons in Oakland.It's from 11:00 to 5:00. That venue, Omni Commons, is located at 4799 Shattuck Avenue, which is super close to the MacArthur Bar, and there's a drop off on the sixth bus line in addition to other bus lines. For now, I am here with Jill, June, and Mira. Hi y'all.Mira:Hey.Jill:Hey.Elie Katzenson:Let's start by talking about what a zine is.Mira:A zine, in my opinion, is really anything you want it to be. It doesn't even need to be printed. You can have online zines, digital zines. It's anything that you feel really passionate about or interested in that you want to share with other people, and you just kind of put together this little book.It doesn't have to be a traditional book shape. It can be any shape you want. Staple it, copy a bunch of pages, hand it out. That's a zine.Elie Katzenson:Zines are interesting because, as I understand it, historically they've been and they continue to be like an underground publication used a lot by activists, artists, and writers that are looking for the ability to self publish, which affords them total freedom.There's a lot of identity exploration that maybe traditional publishing houses wouldn't allow for that space, and so you have lesser represented communities exploring their identities.With this, I'm thinking queer people, I'm thinking like there's a lot of diasporic exploration, mixed identities, mixed ethnic identities, anarchist groups, a lot of unique politics are getting space. Then kind of nontraditional relationship models. I've seen some like polyamory and nonmonogamous related zines.Really valuable information that isn't able to get exposure elsewhere, in zines gets massive exposure. These fests, which take place across the country, they are really hubs of, this is a big word to say, but like revolutionary information sometimes. It all starts it seems on a small scale, but this work can have major repercussions in a positive sense for a lot of people.Mira:In my personal experience it has been revolutionary, because through zines that's how I have found the words to work through my own gender identity, and that was revolutionary for me.Elie Katzenson:What Mira just said is proof of why zines are so important. In your experience why are zines so special?June:I think the beauty of the zine is, as Mira said, the total freedom and creative control you can have over your publication, and because you don't have to go through the process of a publishing house, and you self publish, you can really make it anything you want it to be.Jill:I also love the element of like speed and spontaneity. An event can happen and you can make a zine about it immediately. I think it's so great for like activism, or current events, because you can react, and share your ideas. Any idea, super quickly.Elie Katzenson:When I think of something like writer's block, or like fear of showing your work, zines, in this punk way, emphasize the naturalness and the power of your first response,and sort of like first thoughts. How do you let go enough to just say like I'm going to put myself out there. I'm going to put my work out there. How do people do that? I'm so impressed by that with zines that I've seen. They're very thoughtful, but they're not over-thought and they're not manicured to the point of perfection.June:I feel like that's such like a classic problem with creative work or like an issue is at what point do I feel comfortable enough to like share my work. With zines I feel like there's such a broad spectrum. Even the range of zines that I've seen some look definitely more spur of the moment, first draft, made photocopies, and published versus zines that look more like traditional books.I feel like the answer to like when do you feel comfortable? Like how do you get over that hump? Like is this getting over your own perfectionism to publish is something that zines kind of help with, because it is so easy to make. That's one less barrier for you to like put your content out there.Elie Katzenson:How zines have been seen more in the mainstream, and so you're talking about the first draft zine, which is a little more, not less marketable. Then you have commercialized zines that maybe are a little less substance oriented.Maybe a little less political, a little less extreme, a little more surface level, and I've been kind of curious about what the dynamic is within the zine community in regards to content.Is there more collaboration in the same community? There seems to be maybe a little bit more friendship. I know that treating your zines is a big part of what you do when you table.Jill:I've had really good experiences making friends through zines, and even making friends zines on Facebook groups, and then traveling to those people's fests, and let me stay at their house.I've never met these people, and there's just a level of trust that comes in I think when you're sharing your work that's really personal. You kind of get to know someone and then they're like, "Yeah, I've never met you but I think you're not going to murder me, so come stay at my house for a weekend."Thinking specifically about when I went to Omaha Zine Fest, and the organizers of that fest were super sweet. I think there's just a lot of camaraderie in the zine community, because we're all just kind of doing the same thing. Not the same exact thing, but we all have the same passion for this art form.Elie Katzenson:This is the ninth year of EBABZ. As I understand it, it was kind of born out of people enjoying Portland Zine Fest, and San Francisco Zine Fest, and thinking that there was enough artists and creators in the East Bay to have a fest here, and even the organizers nine years ago are different than the organizers that are y'all, right?Mira I know that you kind of had like this sub-zine fest, The Bay Area Queer Zine Fest. I think that the space that EBABZ creates, not only at The Fest, which I've been to a couple of years in a row, but the work that you're championing and really like helping proliferate, how can people and the community of the East Bay in general help EBABZ thrive and help zinesters thrive. How can we support the creation of this work?Jill:Volunteer.June:Yeah.Mira:Show up day of. That's really important still.June:Please volunteer.Jill:It's crazy. My boyfriend especially lately has been in awe of all of the work that we've been doing. I think with events like this you don't realize, you always think, "Oh, someone's in charge."No one's in charge. We're just kind of making all this up as we go, and like working together and like figuring out how to get stuff done. Like I'll come home from our meetings working sessions and he'll be like, "Oh what did you do today?" I'll tell him and he'll be like, "What? Like you're doing so much stuff. That's so cool."So yeah, it would be great for people to get involved.Elie Katzenson:What kind of things can people do?Jill:So much, so everything, from all year long, we have different events. Mira's always really good, and June at like planning, fundraising events, getting in touch with like different organizations, figuring out how we can work together, teaching people how to make zines, like workshops like that.We also do planning stuff throughout the year. We have to like send out applications. We have to figure out like what are our mission statement is.Mira:There's administrative work, but all the way to like really fun poster makes.June:Yeah, make a flyer. InstagramMira:Follow their Instagram y'all.Jill:There's fun stuff happening. Voluntaring looks fun if you follow the Insta.June:I think a lot of people are afraid to volunteer, because putting yourself out there is always really scary. Also maybe in capitalist society in general, there's the concept that you have to pay a lot of time in a place before you have any power or say, and so you think that you shouldn't be there helping, or deciding how things are run because you're new, but EBABZ is a democracy as far as I can tell, a major democracy, and people are really welcome, and like radically welcome. It's radically inclusive.Jill:A friend of mine reached out to me and said they were too busy to volunteer but they know this person who's in high school who was looking for like some way to get involved with zines.We brought them on, and they have just gone for it. They reached out to like all the different high schools in the area to ask for people to get involved, share their zines. Any level of effort is appreciated.Mira:For sure. I feel like that can happen in such different ways too. Like so as we said, there's like many different capacities in which you can volunteer, but also like we all started volunteering at the same time three years ago, and how I showed up was I just saw like a volunteer meeting on Facebook.I just like showed up without really knowing that much about The Zine Fest. I'd like gone the previous year, but my friend had posted it on Facebook, so I was like, "Yeah, well I'll just like show up, and now I've continued to stick with it for the past three years, so you never know how it's going to go.Elie Katzenson:Tomas is one of the organizers who I think is not strictly active anymore, and he was talking about the idea that a zine more than maybe certain other mediums is really like a one-on-one interaction between the creator and the reader.What makes a zine one-on-one interaction? Why is that one-on-one interaction really essential, especially when you're talking about subject matter that is frequently very intimate, and life changing I guess I would say, because I think so much of reading zines is related to identity, and people find a sense of belonging that maybe they're not experiencing as frequently in reading fiction.Mira:In my experience it's been kind of like handing someone my diary, and they just happened to be standing right in front of me sometimes making really awkward eye contact. It's terrifying, but that's just kind of what it is.I don't know. It's really cool to have these one-on-one interactions with people even if it's not in person, and then have them give you feedback, or tell you that, "Oh, this zine meant a lot to me, because x, y or Z," and then it's like, "Oh, I'm not alone in what I'm feeling. Wow, this feels great." There's like solidarity with other people over just, I don't know, stuff that maybe you felt like you were alone in.Jill:There's those kinds of zines. I feel like that with a lot of mirror zines, and a lot of per zines, that are like diary type zines, but there's also the zines where it's more communal, and I feel like rather than like a one-on-one, it's this feeling of entering into a group just through reading.I'm thinking of ones that are collaborative that community produces, or ones that maybe share like history of like a place or a thing that you weren't familiar with. It's like you're entering into this world more of a shared base instead of one-to-one. It's one to a bunch. Even if you've never met those people, or seen those people.Elie Katzenson:When people think about getting involved in community, it seems like you have to be a people person, and really enjoy being extroverted all the time, etcetera. What's interesting about Zines is there's face for everyone, and there's sensitivity to whoever you are.You are just radically accepted and loved, and that respect is just so special. I don't think that's really a question, but I think it's something that I want people who maybe aren't familiar with zines, or who haven't participated in an event where zines are shared to know that that is really the environment that is created at a fest.Like Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory where you're going to find the level that you want. Maybe you find the blueberry early, and you get rolled away, or you make it to the end and you get your gobstopper. You know? So.June:Yeah, totally. That reminds me of how earlier we were talking about how to support zine communities and stuff, and we talked about volunteering, but also what I found that has been super important to me within zine organizing, and the Oakland art community in general, is I found that people are so supportive and welcoming, and down to help you out with your projects.People's generosity and acceptance has really blown my mind. It's super inspiring to see people be making things and helping other people make things, and being able to express their selves, and creative projects through helping each other out. That's another way to support is help a friend make something.Elie Katzenson:Totally. I read this newsletter, it's called The Creative Independent. I'll have to send you a link, because it's really great. They interview an artist every day, and sometimes they talk about in different art worlds there's more competition than others. Right?One of the pieces of advice that I read today was about being confident in charging for your work. People can pay for your work, and I don't know why that seems so radical to me, because it can feel so hard to say like, "No, that costs money, or that Zine is 10 bucks." You have really made something, and that's like a sacred exchange.Mira:It's hard sometimes, but I feel like the time that I'm most able to stick out for myself and my work is when people just try to take it off the table like it's free.It's the only time I'm really adamant like "No, I put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into this." That happened at zine event that I'm tabling at. It's hard to put a price on something you've created, but sometimes it's necessary because you have to even or you have to pay your bills.Elie Katzenson:Right? I mean even beyond breaking even though, right? It shouldn't just be, I just had to pay for my materials. It's like, "No, it's okay for me to make money off of a work that I made."Jill:Totally. Yeah.Elie Katzenson:But why does it feel so hard to do that?Mira:It can be hard to do because money obviously is not like the end-all-be-all of the world, but you also need it to survive, and pay the bills. It's something I do think about is why do we not hesitate to buy a five dollar coffee, but you have a problem with buying a five dollar zine, or something like that. I don't know. Not that it's always necessarily like that, but-June:Yeah, I think it is important to keep in mind value and the effort that people put into making creative work that isn't necessarily sold in a store, and for some reason that seems more official. Okay to give money to.Mira:Both as organizers charging for space, and on the zinester side of the table, charging for these things filled with ideas. We've been conflicted with anticapitalist sentiment too. Then like charging for things.If I'm making something that's against consumerism, and then I'm charging for it, like, "Oh, what do I do? What's happening?" It's all about valuing yourself, and your ideas and-Elie Katzenson:Right. You still have to function in the environment that we were functioning in, [crosstalk]June:It's not that we like money, but-Mira:Yeah.June:Give me my moneys.Mira:Yeah, that's, yeah. Personally I feel like that's been really hard.Elie Katzenson:It's interesting to me, because the price that you're charging the zinesters is quite fair in my opinion. I think it's what, 50 bucks if you're accepted?June:No, not even that.Mira:It's less.June:That's for a double.Mira:For a half table we have a sliding scale, 20 to $40, and then if you have a full table, it's 50 to 75 I want to say. We also-Elie Katzenson:You've always employed a sliding scale?Mira:Always a sliding scale, and also if people have financial struggles, they could email us and we waive the fee.Elie Katzenson:Wow.Jill:Some zine fests are not like that. It's really nice to be able to be a part of one that is like that.Elie Katzenson:I want to talk about The Fest schedule in general. I know the Rock Paper Scissors Collective did a memorial fund, The Rheo Memorial Fund, where they were giving away grants of $100 for people to make zines.You could apply for this zine scholarship. That was really special, because again, $100 means a lot. Be it to EBABZ if they can get a table, or just being able to make 50 copies of their work.Okay. So again, reminder the East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest is this Saturday, December 8th it's from 11 to five at Omni Commons, 4799 Shattuck avenue. It's free to get in. No admission. All these tables you can buy zines and peruse.I know that there's some workshops happening. Can you tell me a little bit about that?Mira:We have three different workshops. They're each about an hour long. We have writing from the margins, creativity, and embodiment for artists of color with Fatima Nasir. This one sounds awesome. It's a writing workshop, meditative practices, some brainstorming, and sharing stories.Elie Katzenson:What Times that?Mira:That one is at 12 and then at 1:30 we have mixed media sticker making with Raphael Tapra the third. Sounds extremely fun. You just use a bunch of stuff and make stickers. Very DIY. That's at 1:30 until 2:30, but you can stop by. It's kind of like an in and out situation.Elie Katzenson:Awesome.Mira:Or you can say the whole time. At 3:00 we have letterpress basics with Christie Holahan, and she's gonna show how this tabletop water press works.Then everyone's going to get to make good thing. They're gonna choose a phrase, and then everyone's going to let her press that phrase.Elie Katzenson:Cool. What part of Omni are they doing those in? Do you know? Cause it's like those two big rooms, right? The entry room, and then the larger back room.Mira:It's in the entry room and it's way in the back. You'll see these big wall partition screen things.Elie Katzenson:Oh cool.Mira:It's behind the partition.Elie Katzenson:Awesome. Couldn't have asked for a better workshop description. I was reading online that you are doing something new this year. I think it's called a zine store.June:Yeah. So the zine shop is something new that we're trying out this year. Mostly in response to how we were feeling that we wanted to include as many people as possible, because there are a limited number of tables, but we do get a lot of applications.For people who either didn't get to table, or just have like one or two zines, and don't feel like they can fill a table, they actually still have time to drop off their zine at five Friday at E.M. Wolfman Downtown. It's a bookstore. The organizers will be there the whole day selling them instead of having all of those people having to table.Jill:Another thing we're trying different this year one of our organizers had this cool idea. At all these fests, it's always a person behind a table, and it is super weird. I'm sure for anyone who's been to an event like this, or a craft show before, when you're walking around, and you're like, "Do I make eye contact? Do I not make eye contact? I want to look at this stuff. But I don't want them to feel offended if I don't buy the stuff."It's this kind of tense relationship sometimes. Sometimes it's really fun and you make good connections and you have a great time. Sometimes different personalities, some people feel awkward.One of our organizers was like, "What if we move the zinesters out from behind the table." It creates a more like open layout, and visitors can kind of like file through and peruse without having to have these tense eye contact moments.The tabler will still be there, but it's off to the side, and it creates more opportunities for organic conversations.Elie Katzenson:That's interesting.Jill:Yeah it's our first year doing it. So we'll see.Elie Katzenson:Oh I'm really excited to hear that, because I'm totally used to the awkward dynamic. I just put that Mona Lisa smile on my face for like an hour.Jill:Yup. Same. It's like part of the thing.Elie Katzenson:Yeah.Jill:We still have tables like that, so you will get an opportunity to show your Mona Lisa smile. But yeah, it'll be cool.Elie Katzenson:I think sometimes I personally want to engage in conversation, but I'm conscious of taking up too much space, or maybe they need to spend time with other people and I'm scared of taking too much attention, but sounds like people are maybe more open to speaking than I think that they are. Right?Jill:Yeah. We should mention that we're only using the wheelchair accessible rooms, and it's kid friendly.June:We have the childcare room, but we do not have childcare. BYO Care. You can use the room. That's what Rebecca said. BYO Care.Elie Katzenson:It's wheelchair accessible and you can bring your kids. You can't bring your dogs.June:No.Elie Katzenson:I know. My life is not fair.Jill:You can't have it all.Mira:You really can't.June:After The Fest, there's a EBABZ after party that's happening from six o'clock to around 10 o'clock at Classic Cars West slash Hello Vegan Eats. So yeah, come through.Mira:There's going to be like 10 djs.June:I think it's going to be like six.Mira:Six to 10.June:Six to 10 djs.Elie Katzenson:If you each had kind of one last sentiment or thought to put out into the world as an EBABZ organizer, or something that you'd like to put out there for the end of this interview.June:Just every year. I'm so grateful for zine community, the applications we receive, and the care that is taken in those applications. Also my fellow organizers I'm super grateful for it, because everyone really tries their hardest. Put's a lot of effort into it. Also, yeah, I'm eternally grateful to Aura for introducing me to this community and I think of her.Jill:I went to cal, and I was super DIY, and in high school I feel I was super punk into all this stuff. Then you grow up, and you have to get a job and you have to make money. I have a mortgage now.I start to get out of touch with all my roots and this happy community and what matters in life. Coming to Zine Fest, and volunteering with Zine Fest, reminds me of all that stuff, and keeps me connected, and keeps me grounded in reality, and what's good.Mira:Sort of to echo what both of you were saying, I think organizing EBABZ has been one of the most fulfilling things I've ever done. For that I am eternally grateful to Aura for getting me involved. Also if you come to The Fest, please bring caffeine for the organizers.June:Yes.Jill:I don't drink coffee.Elie Katzenson:The East Bay Alternative Book and Zine Fest is taking place on December 8th from 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM at Omni Commons, which is located at 4799 Shaddock Avenue in Oakland. You can follow EBABZ online on Instagram at E-B-A-B-Z-I-N-E fest, or visit them at their website, EBABZfest.com. Thanks. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jill discusses caring for her son whose bipolar disorder surfaced during the teen years. She describes the lack of resources in rural Iowa, the criminalization of mental illness and how that affected her family. She explains how this journey as a mother makes you learn who you are as a person and how strong you can be. Transcription [music] Female Voice: Welcome to the Just Ask Mom podcast where mothers share their experiences of raising children with mental illness. Just Ask Mom is a Mothers On The Frontline production. Today we will listen to Jill, a mother from Iowa, share her story about raising a son with bipolar disorder. Tammy: Thank you for doing this. We really appreciate you being here. Jill: Absolutely. Tammy: Before we get into a lot of the content could you tell us a little bit about yourself before or outside of mothering, who are you? What are your passions? What are you interested in? Jill: It's a great question. Well, first of all, I think I've known since I was five years old, probably or even before that I wanted to be a teacher. My grandmother was a teacher, my aunt was a teacher. I would have to say that was my focus through high school. I went to college, I'm a teacher and I'm very passionate about it, very passionate about early childhood education. I currently decided to personally take a step back and decided to work on my Master's degree. Tammy: Wonderful. Jill: Yeah, between doing that and teaching full-time and having two children, let's say two teenagers at home. [laughs] Tammy: You're busy. Jill: It's busy. When I have a free second to breath and if I'm not writing the research paper or discussion thread I am spending time with my family and friends. That's very important to me. I like to exercise, I love to be outside in the summer in my flower garden. That's kind of me by myself. Tammy: So you knew early on what you wanted to do? Jill: I did and I think that doesn't happen a lot. Tammy: No. Jill: I I think a lot of children these days are just full of pressure. "I don't know what I want to do. I don't know what I want to do", and I just tell my boys I hope it's just a lucky one. So, 20-some years I've been in it and I don't ever see myself do anything else. Tammy: Oh, that's wonderful. You love it, that's great. Jill: I do, yes. Tammy: It's a gift when your passion can become your work. Jill: Yes, absolutely. Tammy: Absolutely. I want you to pretend that you're talking to other parents. What do you want them to know about your experience as raising a child with a mental health condition? What would you want them to know? Jill: I would say number one, trust your instincts. If you see something maybe that is out of character for your child, maybe something that differs from what they have "typically", how they've been acting. I guess just picking up on those little cues. I look back over the journey with my son it's been three years. Three years and three years now has gone by and I look back at some of the things and say. "Wow, I wish I would have been-- went with my gut more than I did". Does that make sense? Tammy: It does. Now with your son, was there a clear before-and-after of an onset of symptoms, did it sort of come on at a certain point in his life or did you always see it his whole life, or? Jill: No. We did not see it early on in life at all. There was no signs or symptoms at all. Probably started seeing it at the age of 15, his hormones were really coming on. When we first started seeing signs like I said looking back impulsive behaviors and things that typically hadn't been characteristic of my son, but because some of it we kind of blamed on, "Oh, he's a teenager. Oh, he's sowing his oats, he's doing this", but then he would be fine for a while. Then well, we'd have another as well, I say now an episode of just uncharacteristically behaviors. I should have went with my gut more than I did but I did try to get some he...

Jill discusses caring for her son whose bipolar disorder surfaced during the teen years. She describes the lack of resources in rural Iowa, the criminalization of mental illness and how that affected her family. She explains how this journey as a mother makes you learn who you are as a person and how strong you can be. Transcription [music] Female Voice: Welcome to the Just Ask Mom podcast where mothers share their experiences of raising children with mental illness. Just Ask Mom is a Mothers On The Frontline production. Today we will listen to Jill, a mother from Iowa, share her story about raising a son with bipolar disorder. Tammy: Thank you for doing this. We really appreciate you being here. Jill: Absolutely. Tammy: Before we get into a lot of the content could you tell us a little bit about yourself before or outside of mothering, who are you? What are your passions? What are you interested in? Jill: It's a great question. Well, first of all, I think I've known since I was five years old, probably or even before that I wanted to be a teacher. My grandmother was a teacher, my aunt was a teacher. I would have to say that was my focus through high school. I went to college, I'm a teacher and I'm very passionate about it, very passionate about early childhood education. I currently decided to personally take a step back and decided to work on my Master's degree. Tammy: Wonderful. Jill: Yeah, between doing that and teaching full-time and having two children, let's say two teenagers at home. [laughs] Tammy: You're busy. Jill: It's busy. When I have a free second to breath and if I'm not writing the research paper or discussion thread I am spending time with my family and friends. That's very important to me. I like to exercise, I love to be outside in the summer in my flower garden. That's kind of me by myself. Tammy: So you knew early on what you wanted to do? Jill: I did and I think that doesn't happen a lot. Tammy: No. Jill: I I think a lot of children these days are just full of pressure. "I don't know what I want to do. I don't know what I want to do", and I just tell my boys I hope it's just a lucky one. So, 20-some years I've been in it and I don't ever see myself do anything else. Tammy: Oh, that's wonderful. You love it, that's great. Jill: I do, yes. Tammy: It's a gift when your passion can become your work. Jill: Yes, absolutely. Tammy: Absolutely. I want you to pretend that you're talking to other parents. What do you want them to know about your experience as raising a child with a mental health condition? What would you want them to know? Jill: I would say number one, trust your instincts. If you see something maybe that is out of character for your child, maybe something that differs from what they have "typically", how they've been acting. I guess just picking up on those little cues. I look back over the journey with my son it's been three years. Three years and three years now has gone by and I look back at some of the things and say. "Wow, I wish I would have been-- went with my gut more than I did". Does that make sense? Tammy: It does. Now with your son, was there a clear before-and-after of an onset of symptoms, did it sort of come on at a certain point in his life or did you always see it his whole life, or? Jill: No. We did not see it early on in life at all. There was no signs or symptoms at all. Probably started seeing it at the age of 15, his hormones were really coming on. When we first started seeing signs like I said looking back impulsive behaviors and things that typically hadn't been characteristic of my son, but because some of it we kind of blamed on, "Oh, he's a teenager. Oh, he's sowing his oats, he's doing this", but then he would be fine for a while. Then well, we'd have another as well, I say now an episode of just uncharacteristically behaviors. I should have went with my gut more than I did but I did try to get some he...

Jill discusses caring for her son whose bipolar disorder surfaced during the teen years. She describes the lack of resources in rural Iowa, the criminalization of mental illness and how that affected her family. She explains how this journey as a mother makes you learn who you are as a person and how strong you can be. Transcription [music] Female Voice: Welcome to the Just Ask Mom podcast where mothers share their experiences of raising children with mental illness. Just Ask Mom is a Mothers On The Frontline production. Today we will listen to Jill, a mother from Iowa, share her story about raising a son with bipolar disorder. Tammy: Thank you for doing this. We really appreciate you being here. Jill: Absolutely. Tammy: Before we get into a lot of the content could you tell us a little bit about yourself before or outside of mothering, who are you? What are your passions? What are you interested in? Jill: It's a great question. Well, first of all, I think I've known since I was five years old, probably or even before that I wanted to be a teacher. My grandmother was a teacher, my aunt was a teacher. I would have to say that was my focus through high school. I went to college, I'm a teacher and I'm very passionate about it, very passionate about early childhood education. I currently decided to personally take a step back and decided to work on my Master's degree. Tammy: Wonderful. Jill: Yeah, between doing that and teaching full-time and having two children, let's say two teenagers at home. [laughs] Tammy: You're busy. Jill: It's busy. When I have a free second to breath and if I'm not writing the research paper or discussion thread I am spending time with my family and friends. That's very important to me. I like to exercise, I love to be outside in the summer in my flower garden. That's kind of me by myself. Tammy: So you knew early on what you wanted to do? Jill: I did and I think that doesn't happen a lot. Tammy: No. Jill: I I think a lot of children these days are just full of pressure. "I don't know what I want to do. I don't know what I want to do", and I just tell my boys I hope it's just a lucky one. So, 20-some years I've been in it and I don't ever see myself do anything else. Tammy: Oh, that's wonderful. You love it, that's great. Jill: I do, yes. Tammy: It's a gift when your passion can become your work. Jill: Yes, absolutely. Tammy: Absolutely. I want you to pretend that you're talking to other parents. What do you want them to know about your experience as raising a child with a mental health condition? What would you want them to know? Jill: I would say number one, trust your instincts. If you see something maybe that is out of character for your child, maybe something that differs from what they have "typically", how they've been acting. I guess just picking up on those little cues. I look back over the journey with my son it's been three years. Three years and three years now has gone by and I look back at some of the things and say. "Wow, I wish I would have been-- went with my gut more than I did". Does that make sense? Tammy: It does. Now with your son, was there a clear before-and-after of an onset of symptoms, did it sort of come on at a certain point in his life or did you always see it his whole life, or? Jill: No. We did not see it early on in life at all. There was no signs or symptoms at all. Probably started seeing it at the age of 15, his hormones were really coming on. When we first started seeing signs like I said looking back impulsive behaviors and things that typically hadn't been characteristic of my son, but because some of it we kind of blamed on, "Oh, he's a teenager. Oh, he's sowing his oats, he's doing this", but then he would be fine for a while. Then well, we'd have another as well, I say now an episode of just uncharacteristically behaviors. I should have went with my gut more than I did but I did try to get some he...

What’s In This Episode: How do you engage your team? When your team is engaged, they're getting a psychic benefit from the work. They're into it! But even when you have the most engaged team, in the summer months, it can be tough. In this episode, Jill and Brad discuss how to keep your team engaged when they want to be outside.  "I'm looking forward to being the old guy sitting in the coffee shop." - Brad Brad tries to solve his personal engagement problem by taking more Fridays off in the summer so he can enjoy long weekends. Doing so allows him to be more engaged at work and then at home with his family. Jill points out that the more time she takes off (whether it's three or four days), the more she dreads Monday. And there are some days she just wants to sit and chill out. So how can they convince employees to stay engaged when they understand being checked out themselves? "I don't want to take the joy of summer or breaks away from them." - Jill It might be a good idea to check in on your employees, not nannying them constantly, but to make sure that everyone is still on track. Maybe the expectations should be lowered in the summer, but does that mean you make less income because of it? And how do you get back into the swing of things? How do you stay engaged? How do you keep your team engaged?

When to Put a Mobile on Your Land (LI 697) Transcript: Steven:                Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Hi there. Steven:                Welcome to the Land Investor's Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And, I am Jill Kristine DeWit, podcasting from sunny Southern California. Had to throw in there. Steven:                With the K. Jill:                          With the K. Steven:                Like the killer car.                                 Today Jill and I talk about when to put a mobile home on your land and when not to. Jill:                          I know you're going to have some good ideas about this. Steven:                I have multiple stories, multiple beautiful stories with happy Hollywood endings about mobile homes on land. Jill:                          I bet 99.9 to 100 percent of the time, it's never a bad thing. It's just, depending on your budget, your market, and all that kind of stuff. Steven:                Here's a preview: imagine you're looking through the internet on Land Pin or wherever you look at land to buy it, and you flip through ten properties in XYZ county, and then, there's one with a mobile home on it. That's number eleven property that you look at, and it's priced just like all the others, I don't care if the mobile home's half burned-out. Are you going to click on that and look at it, and say, "You know what?" Jill:                          It's going to get my attention. Steven:                "Somebody must live in there." Jill:                          They figured it out. Steven:                "Somebody had a 'Little House on the Prairie' moment." It's not hard to make that jump. Jill:                          Exactly. Steven:                Before we get into that, though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community; it's free. Jill:                          Okay. Mike asks, "I just want to see how others were checking on HOA, Home Owner's Association, status on their land deals. Basically, how do you check to see if there is an HOA?"                                 You know, it's funny, I saw this question the other day, and I weighed in on it. Steven:                Oh, good. They can answer it on the air, then. Jill:                          I actually put a note in there, because I was like, "Hey, good for you for thinking of it and checking it ahead of time because usually, what happens is, you learn about these after you good one up." After, you realize, "Oh no, I just bought and sold a property that had an HOA on it and it had $800 in back fees." That's usually how it goes, unfortunately. And, you go, "Well, I will always check that." So, sometimes, it's a little tricky because it's not on the deed; it doesn't smack you in the face.                                 So, first thing that everybody was actually weighing in on in the forum in our online community was, ask the seller. Yes, first, that's your first thing. Number two, I would do some checking, and usually, if it has a subdivision name, that's going to be a first clue. It's not always correct; there's some subdivisions that do have and some that don't. And, some properties, you can't tell. But, if it's, like, in Glenn Oaks Ranches, there's a pretty good indication- Steven:                That's subdivided property. Jill:                          Right. That there could be an HOA and you need to dig a little further. And, you could put in the name of that and do some internet searching, and nine times out of ten, you will find it. Steven:                That was my suggestion. Jill:                          And then, the third one is, ask the county. Steven:                Yeah. That's what I do. Jill:                          Because, they communicate back and forth because,

How Jack Jill use their Calendar to Succeed (CFFL 582) Transcript:  Jack:                     Jack Jill here. Jill:                        Hey. Jack:                     Welcome to the show today. In this episode Jill and I talk about how each of us, how Jack Jill use our calendar to succeed buying and selling real estate. Before we get into it, though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                        We were Jack and Jill, and now we're Jack Jill. Is this just one word? You just kind of [inaudible 00:00:33]. Jack:                     Hey, you want to know why it says Jack Jill? Jill:                        Yeah, why? I was sitting here going, "Hmm." I picked up on it at first and I'm like, "He, did it again." Jack:                     Because SEO- Jill:                        Where is Jack Jill? Jack:                     ... doesn't like the word and. Here's another reason, we are JackJill.com. We are not JackandJill.com. Jill:                        We should just say, "JackJill.com. Hi, my name is JackJill.com." I'm just kidding. I got it. I was just teasing you, so thank you. All right, Jason asks, "In my most recent marketing campaign I found a landowner who asked me if I could help him finance a land sale to his neighbor. The land owner says that he is too old to do the owner finance, but the buyer's haven't been able to find a bank loan for a subdivided section of his land." Interesting. This is very interesting. "It seems to me that if someone who invested in a promissory note might be interested in that business, but I don't know how to find such an investor. Do you have any advice on what to tell the seller?" Jack:                     Yeah, there's a website called LoanMLS, L-O-A-N-M-L-S. They have no affiliation with us in any way, but in my spare time I love perusing it because there's a bunch of notes for sale in there. We don't talk about it a lot, but note investing is a fantastic real estate vehicle. You can [crosstalk 00:01:55]. Jill:                        Yeah, I kind of like that. Jack:                     Jill and I have personal friends who have made hundreds of millions of dollars buying dramatically reduced loans from banks and financial institutions. You don't buy the property, you buy the mortgage that's underlying it. Think of a house that's got a mortgage on it. It's a 30 year mortgage. They're 15 years into it, and then for whatever reason, the owner's still in the house, the guy who had the mortgage is still in the house, same person, and they stop paying. For whatever reason the bank says, "Hey, this mortgage is for sale. I'll sell it. What's left on the mortgage is $25,000. The house is probably worth 200. I'll let you have the mortgage for 10 grand, what do you say? See if you can get this guy to start paying again." Now you're buying a 200,000 house for 10,000 or you're buying the note associated with it. By the way, you can foreclose on that if you want, depending on the local rules. This whole business of loans and buying the notes and stuff is really a good idea. I've done it several times. We don't do it right now because this other stuff we have is so incredibly profitable. Every once in a while, to the direct point here, Jason, someone calls us and says, "Jack, will you go buy this piece of land for me? Will you pay cash for it? It's $25,000. Sell it to me for $25,000, and I'll pay you over time." That's what's going on here. My answer is no. Not because it's not a great- Jill:                        It's not our business model right now. Jack:                     That's it, Jill. Jill:                        That's it. Jack:                     You nailed it. Jill:                        Yeah, it's not crazy. This is not crazy, and I give kudos to the guy for thinking of this and saying, "Since you're calling me maybe you'll do this."

Self Confident Offer Campaign Pricing (CFFL 564) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack and Jill here. Jill:                          Hi. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about a subject near and dear to my heart: self-confident offer campaign pricing. It will make or break your real estate career. Oh, that sounds heavy Jack. Jill:                          It does sound heavy. Jack:                      Oh no. Jill:                          I know. Jack:                      It's actually a really positive thing. Jill:                          Right. Jack:                      Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community. It's free and fun. Jill:                          Free and fun. Yes, making money is fun. That's true. Matt asks- Jack:                      What's more fun that making money? Jill:                          Not much. I agree. Jack:                      And doing it on your own terms and stuff. Jill:                          Yeah, if you don't get a kick out of watching your bank balance go up, there's something goofy there. Jack:                      Yeah . Jill:                          Alright, hey guys. I did a few searches on the forums and couldn't find anything specific about the topic of how to build a buyers list. Jack:                      What? Jill:                          I know. I've heard mention of manually pulling emails of LandWatch users, those are the signature people, in your areas and asking if they'd be interested in being buyers. I personally don't ask by the way, I just kind of put them in- Jack:                      I send a deal to them. Jill:                          Thank you, there you go. I just kind of assume it. I've heard mentions ... There's one of the answers right there. I've heard mention of people systemizing the process of scraping those emails. Yeah. It looks like it may be a good idea to keep one property up on eBay at all times. This is not crazy, too. And adding those people to the buyers list. Jack:                      Isn't it great where these ... Matt you are so smart. You're answering your own questions. Jill:                          You're answering your own questions. Jack:                      I love it. Jill:                          I know. It looks like managing your buyers list through Aweber is currently the best option. Again, right on. I wasn't able to find any definitive this is the best way to do it, other than the thing that you just wrote, or do these three things every week. Jack:                      That's it. Jill:                          I'm sure I'm not the only one who would benefit from this thread. Hopefully the group is getting some good actionable items from this thread. So my question to everyone is, if you were to build a buyers list from scratch today, how would you do it and how would you structure emails to your buyers list? Jack:                      First thing I want you to do, Matt, is go into our YouTube channel and type in how to build a buyers list. I have a couple videos on there, and they are very short and very effective, on how to pull email contact information out of LandWatch, number one. That will get you a lot of world class investors, land buying investors. Number two ... And everything you said is correct, by the way. I want you to memorize this concept, alright. Stop what you're doing and please listen. People who buy real estate, the vast majority of the people who buy real estate, already own real estate in the area where the property is. If you've got a 40 acre property in Mojave, Arizona, and you send a little note to everybody that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 mile radius around there that says something like, I notice that you have real estate near my property that I just bought,

Top 3 Places Investors Get Stuck (CFFL 562) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack and Jill here. Jill:                          Hello. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about the top three places real estate investors get stuck, those bottlenecks. And they're different for everybody. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. Andy asks, "I love the idea of sell before you buy. I've used Craigslist for vague ads to see how much interest there is before I buy a piece of land." Jack:                      Awesome. Jill:                          "When you get replies to the ad, how much information do you divulge? I do not want to give out the APN or address, but what if someone wants to drive out to look? Can you give them directions to land you do not own?" Jack:                      Sure. What I'd do is say, "Thanks for calling, but the property's sold. We sold it, but tell me, why ... I buy property in this area all the time. Why don't you give me your information? I'll make sure you're on a list because I constantly get properties in that area." Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      I used to do this before the internet. I used to do it in the classified ads. Jill:                          Yeah. Did you do it with ... Jack:                      Yeah. Jill:                          ... properties and stuff too? Jack:                      The rental property. Jill:                          Yeah, that's right. Jack:                      That's how I learned. Jill:                          How this works. Jack:                      I actually came up with this myself. I would put a fake classified ad for a rental house, and just see how many calls I would get. Off the Sunday paper, one ad. Remember that? Jill:                          Yeah. And then you're like "Well this is a good area." Jack:                      The first one I did, and I never did it again after that for rental houses. I got 140 calls. Jill:                          What does that tell you? Well I'm just going to say ... Jack:                      Massive lack of rental property in that area. Jill:                          Well here's the thing too, Andy. You'll know pretty darn quick if you have six voicemails on the first day, like well I guess I need to go buy that, and see how many more I can find. Jack:                      Exactly. Jill:                          So even if you don't get back to them or call them back, you'll know, but be, Jack said he's great. Get their information cause you know they're interested, so there's your buyers list. Jack:                      And then you can say, as far as giving them directions and stuff, you never want to mislead. You want that customer to be a customer for life, so you want to say, "No, I don't have prop ... property's sold." Here's the general area. Stop in the grocery store that's over there or whatever. Get that person to say, "Hey what's it like?" The person who's behind the counter. Jill does this all the time. She'll call local business right off of Google Earth, and ask them about, before we buy property. Just be a social butterfly about the whole thing. Jill:                          It's so funny, I know. Could you step outside and look across the street? Seriously. Jack:                      I know. Jill:                          I have done that. Jack:                      I know you have. Jill:                          They're like this is the weirdest thing on the planet, but okay. I would do that. Jack:                      And then they just fall in love with her like everyone. Jill:                          It's so funny. I have no fear. Jack:                      I know you don't.

How to Become the Batman of Investing (CFFL 560) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack and Jill here. Jill:                          Hi. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how to become the Batman of investing, how to be a superhero at this, not just regular. Jill:                          Love this. Wonder why we picked Batman. Jack:                      I love Batman. Jill:                          I know. Jack:                      Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. [sham got 00:00:24] asks, "On my first two mailers, I had several people wonder if me and the offer were legit because of my address. It's in an area that I don't live and doesn't match the phone number either. Since I have a virtual PO box, some people found other people's businesses associated with it and said I must be a fake person. Others didn't understand why I have a different address than where I live. Obviously, a small percent of people, but enough to where I probably lost a deal or two. "There isn't a PO box that's super close to me, so if I got a local box, I'd likely hire an assistant to get my mail, which turns $10 a month expense into a $200 or more a month expense, which seems silly. I wonder if there's another way to do it that I'm not thinking about. Curious what others are doing and if you've run into any similar issues. "For the phone, I'm using Grasshopper now. It's fine, but with how much mail I'll be sending out, the number will be a five figure asset pretty quickly, so I want to be sure I have as much control over the number as possible. Is it better to go direct to the phone company, or what's the best way to be sure I'll never use the number?" I love that [sham got's 00:01:39] thinking about these admin- Jack:                      This is a very, very good question. Jill:                          It's admin/setting up the right way/being transparent and making sure people know who I am and stuff. Jack:                      This begs to a bigger question, in my opinion. It's not just a real estate question, it's about setting up an online business. The first thing that anybody does when they receive an offer is they look you up. They check you out. The more positive online presence that you have, the better. They are going to look. If two people are giving you feedback on this, you can multiply that times probably 50 or 100 that have actually looked it up and it never got back to you. This is a huge issue that needs to be addressed before you spend time and money on a mailer campaign. To directly answer your question, there's lots of places that you can find a virtual mailbox and they're going to look up your address. They're going to type it right into Google. First they're going to type your name, then your address. They're going to maybe even Google your phone number. You need to find an address that's not a house. How many times have you looked up a business for credibility and it's somebody's house? There's a picture on Google Maps. Jill:                          I don't like that. Exactly. That's funny. Jack:                      I stop right there. Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      I won't do business with somebody like that. Jill:                          I don't like it. Jack:                      You need a real address. Jill:                          [inaudible 00:03:22]Hold on, I think [sham 00:03:01] was going down the right path. I'm not sure I'm on the same page with you, Jack. You know what? Jack:                      Imagine that. Jill:                          I know. Full disclosure, where our mail gets sent, other people send their mail. You know what, though? People look us up but they look at our website and they see us a...

How to Overcome Bad Situations (CFFL 553) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill Dewitt. Jill:                          Hey there. Jack:                      Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how to overcome bad situations. I'm looking forward to this, for a lot of reasons. Jill:                          I can't wait to hear why. Jack:                      I'm looking forward to it, because I'm like a hot head from Detroit, and so I can make a bad situation out of anything good. Jill:                          Yes you can.  And I can't make a good situation out of anything bad. Jack:                      I know, I know Darma. Let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          It's really good. Kristen P. asked, "Hi I looking for some advice on what to do in this situation. I sent out a mailer in the beginning of August to a few counties in Texas, and with my luck Hurricane Harvey hit those areas dead on. So I'm not sure what the best route is. I know the area will be restored within time; however, I am worried about buying these properties, and having an issue selling them due to others being concerned about the damage in the area and what not. What would you do in my situation? Thank you. Kristen." Jack:                      This has come up a lot recently, 'cause there's a lot of hurricanes. It's hurricane season. And Jill and I actually agree on this, it's the one thing we agree one. Jill:                          Yep. Jack:                      As Ripley said in the movie Alien, "Nuke it for morbid." I would not even answer the phone. I don't believe in taking people when they're down like this, and when people are looking for their photo albums, and stuff in a flood. You don't want to be talking about a real estate deal. Jill:                          Right. Jack:                      And you don't want to take advantage of people ever. Ever, ever, ever, so that's what ... I would send a mailer out to Utah or something. Jill:                          Well what about this idea, Jack. Now that you are talking about it. I mean 'cause, so yeah A, we totally agree, which is, don't try to take advantage of people now in this situation. Got it? Jack:                      And you're 100 percent correct Kristen P. you're right, alright? But what it looks like to the rest of the world is that, you're trying to screw somebody. So, and we know you're not. You sent it out before the hurricane- Jill:                          Well hold on a moment- Jack:                      There's no way you can explain your way out of that. Jill:                          Well hold on a moment. Here's my thoughts. Let me run this by you Jack. Here's what I think, so she sent out these mailers. Let's think, in August, so they got it in August, and they've been thinking about it, and now they're gonna call her back saying, "Do you still want it? It's under two feet of water." Let's talk about that for a second. 'Cause that really maybe what's going on. She's made an offer, and she still wants the property. Does she say, "Now, I know I offered you a 1,000$ for that property. I don't want it anymore, 'cause now I know it's under two feet of water. I'm sorry, I can't help you." What about that scenario? Jack:                      I mean you know what, this is kind of like how to overcome bad situations. It's kinda like the show. There's a lot of ways you can go here. I mean, you could pick up the phone, and if the person says exactly what you just said, "Do you still want it?" I guess I personally, as much as I hate talking on the phone, and hate talking to people and stuff ... I think that you might want to just have a nice fireside chat with 'em, and say, "How are you doin'? Is everything cool?" And I don't know ...

When To Stop Selling (CFFL 539) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWit! Jill:                          Hey there! Jack:                      Welcome to the show today! In this episode, as promised, Jill and I talk about when to stop selling. When is it just too much, jeez, stop with the shameless plugs of your websites. Jill:                          Bank account's too big ... Jack:                      Every other sentence is Land Investors this, Land Academy that. Before we get into it, though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the landinvestors.com online community, it's great. Jill:                          Merritt asks, "Hi all. I'm wondering if folks have any experience with doing deals with attorneys. I know that I've heard warnings in the podcast from Jack and Jill that attorneys have a tendency to kill deals, but I'm not sure that applies to when they actually accept an offer you've mailed them. Jack:                      Man I have a lot to say about this already. Jill:                          This is good. Jack:                      Right? Jill:                          I got an accepted offer back in the mail that looked like a great deal. Reviewed it with Pappy Jack, thumbs up Pappy Jack, that's you. Strangely, after multiple attempts to get in touch with the seller via phone, no dice. Jack:                      Oh darn. Jill:                          Finally decide to email the guy and got a quick response. Jack:                      Oh good! Jill:                          He wants to do the deal but his deceased mom is on the title. I called the county and found out the necessary steps, removed him off the title- Jack:                      Good for you Merritt. Jill:                          And emailed him back the information, and the forms for him to file, et cetera. It should take him about thirty minutes of his time and cost $25. I said I would reimburse him. After I sent the email back to him, I notice that on his email, he was a D.A. Jack:                      District Attorney. Jill:                          It's hilarious. Looking him up and found out he's in fact the D.A. of the state's capital county. Awesome, this is so funny. Knowing this makes me want to take this deal down even more to show that I conquered the Genghis Khan of the state with an Excel spreadsheet and a $5,000 cashiers check. Jack:                      Oh, Merritt. We gotta have you on the show. You're hilarious. Jill:                          Is this cavalier and/or naïve on my part? Jack:                      No, it's great. Jill:                          I really can't run away, since I signed the Purchase Agreement with the D.A. Is this a mistake at a hundred miles an hour, Jack? Jack:                      Nope. Jill:                          Thanks for your thoughts. Jack:                      No, so let me clear this up. I don't dislike doing deals with attorneys. I just think that some of them can get a little overzealous and look for things to kill a deal. And by the way, just so we're all clear, full disclosure. Lawyers get paid the more they talk and do stuff. So if they can stretch a deal out for a couple more weeks, or a couple more months, or a couple more years, they get paid more. They can bill more. The more problems they find and that they have to solve, the more they get paid. Do all of them do that? No. In fact, one of my best friends is a lawyer in Scottsdale. I've known him forever. His name is Kent Lang, he's a construction real estate attorney- Jill:                          Sales plug. Jack:                      Yeah, well I hope it's [crosstalk 00:02:54] more business out of it. I have never dealt with an attorney who is more straightforward, honest and tries to get stuff done quickly. In fact, I tell Joe, Kent wrecked it for us.

Flirt To Convert II (CFFL 538) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                          Hey there. Jack:                      Welcome to the show today. In this episode Jill and I talk about Flirting to Convert. Two. Jill:                          Two. Where the- Jack:                      A lot of years ago we did a show called Flirt to Convert. It was really popular because, I think- Jill:                          It's just funny Jack:                      they want to hear Jill's take on flirting- Jill:                          Thanks Jack:                      to convert, let's just say. Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on LandInvestors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay. Noam asked, "Hi Everyone. What templates do you chose to work with in order to complete a sale on terms, and where do you get them? For terms deals, I know I need a land contract, promissory note and purchase agreement (is this accurate?) I was going to use Rocket Lawyer or a similar website. Do you recommend going the Rocket Lawyer way? Do you mind sharing your own docs? Do I need to notarize my signature on any of these docs, or only does the buyer? Thank you." Jack:                      All good questions. Jill:                          All good questions. Jack:                      So, the program, the educational program that Jill and I provide on how to flip land which is on LandAcademy.com provides a library of contracts and agreements. They're examples. Jill:                          So you have all ours right there. Jack:                      Do you want to use those verbatim? No. You want to put your own twist on it, and make sure that the specific situation is reflected in there. Jill:                          Right, but the meat's there. Jack:                      Do you want to use Rocket Lawyer? Yeah, I've heard all kinds of good stuff. I've never pulled agreements down from there, but I'll tell yeah, you're doing the right thing here, asking this question on LandInvestors.com because everybody is- I mean there's people all over our group, hundreds of people that do agreements all the time so, someone's going to have a real good, up-to-date answer. We've been using the same agreements for quite some time, and it works for us. So, you're in the right hands, let's say. Jill:                          Exactly. Jack:                      If you have a question, or you want to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on LandInvestors.com. Today's topic, Flirt to Convert, at number two. This is the meat of the show. Jill, I know you have a tremendous amount of experience in sales, even right up to the last 20 seconds. Jill:                          What the heck? Jack:                      Me and the kids joke about it. If she's talking, she's selling us something. I don't even know I'm being sold something. Jill:                          Oh boy. Jack:                      She's selling me on putting her paja- Jill:                          We don't have a thing on you. I need to come up with one about you. Jack:                      She's selling me on putting my pajamas on. Jill:                          That's hilarious. Jack:                      She's selling me on what to eat for lunch today. Jill:                          No. Jack:                      When they were little. It's a compliment. Jill:                          No. Thank you. That's just called good parenting. And picking your battles. Jack:                      That's a good point. When is it sales, and when is it too sales-y, like used car salesmen, or when is it like- Jill:                          That's a good one. Jack:                      Or when is it healthy, helpful? Jill:                          Can I talk now?

Our New JackJill Show - You Tell Us What You Want (CFFL 534) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill Dewitt. Jill:                          Hi. Jack:                      Welcome to our show today, in this episode, Jill and I talk about our new Jack Jill show. This is all about ... Jill:                          What's coming. Jack:                      What's coming, and what you think the show should be about. Before we get into it, let's take a question, posted by one of our members on the land investors dot com. Online community. It's free. Jill:                          Okay, Allen asks, "is anyone else having problems posting property on land pin?" This is funny. Oops! How'd this get in there? Wow, all right. This is good. I fill out the new listing info and when I click the save button, the website grays out and just says "saving". This is hilarious. I have tried to list this one property four times now and the same thing keeps happening. All right, so we just got a tech support question that made it into our show. So, I'm ... Jack:                      I'm gonna answer it. Jill:                          All right, tech support Jack. Go for it. Jack:                      It has to do with how you signed up. And so there's no way you could know this. It happens to like, three people of the ... I think that site has a thousands of people so ... Jill:                          That's hilarious. Jack:                      Please email Erin at land academy dot com if you're having issues. She's the manager of that whole line of business and she'll get you straightened out real quick. In fact, chances are Allen, you're way past. By the time this airs, you know, you'll be all set. Jill:                          It's fixed, that's hilarious. Jack:                      This does bring up a good point though. Jill:                          I think this is really funny, I feel like somebody wanted to get this ... someone's like frustrated and put this in there on purpose. Jack:                      This does bring up a great point, so, and the point is ... Jill and I, we start these lines of businesses like land pan, parcel fact, land crowd fund, land tank, and on and on and on, there's a bunch of them. And, we put a manager at the top of it and that person runs that line like it's their own business. With their own plans, and Jill and I just kind of help out. So, all kidding aside, this kind of just snuck in here and I'm glad it did. Jill:                          I think it's hilarious. Jack:                      It gave us an opportunity today ... Jill:                          To see what's going on in our business. Jack:                      It gave us an opportunity to talk about our business structure and stuff. And we modeled this whole ... built a moat around it. Jill, as Jill calls it, "built a moat around these lines". They're separate companies; after Berkshire Hathaway. That's what they do. He doesn't go to ... You don't go visit the company every day that you own. Especially if you own 50 of them; In fact you probably don't ever go. Jill:                          You can't, it's not possible. Jack:                      Warren Buffet doesn't sit around and talk about Sees Candy. Jill:                          It's even ... Just within your business, you don't spend ... You're not sitting with the accounting people one hour every day, and then the billing people an hour every day, and the customer service people an hour every day. You have to put them in place with the right tools and the right resources and trust them and let them go. Jack:                      And the right manager. Jill:                          Yeah. Jack:                      You have to put the right manager in, and hold that manger accountable. Jill:                          Yep. Jack:                      So there's clearly,

How To Call An Interested Seller (CFFL 524) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                          Hey there! Jack:                      Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how to call an interested seller back. Man, this is so important, and I'm looking forward to it, because I want to hear from the expert, Jill. Jill:                          Thank you very much. Jack:                      Before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the LandInvestors.com online community, it's free. Jill:                          OK, this is a little bit lengthy one, so I'm gonna preface that. So, new member here, in our group, Shammgod. This is [inaudible 00:00:32], shares. "Agreed on my first deal today. I figure I'd post it here, just to write out my thought process and so that if I'm missing anything, someone will hopefully correct me. Details: Seller and his father are both on the deed. He sent me a copy. I couldn't locate it exactly on the map, but agreed on a price way below anything on the market." Jack:                      Red flag. Jill:                          "I talked to the recorder and they verified things, and talked to the treasurer and the taxes are good." Jack:                      This is good. Jill:                          "Next steps: getting them a contract. I'm planning on sending them a small deposit because I don't think it's valid without one." Jack:                      Not necessary. Jill:                          I would just say weird. "This is a small deal so I'm planning on doing title myself." Jack:                      Awesome. Jill:                          "I think that I need to get notaries for both the father and son because they live in different states." Jack:                      Yes. This is boring. Jill:                          It's distracting. Jack:                      It's distracting, am I stealing your thunder? Jill:                          Just a tad. Jack:                      It's sad? Jill:                          Just a tad. No, you are, like every time I take a breath. Jack:                      Are you sad today? Jill:                          It's like darn don't pause, Jack's gonna throw something in there. Jack:                      Jack you're sad. Jill:                          I'm not sad. Jack:                      Jack, you're a sad little real estate investor. Jill:                          I'm just trying to share a story. Can I just share a story? Alright, where was I? Jack:                      "My biggest question..." Jill:                          Oh shoot, no I'm sorry wait, I totally, as we say that I just lost my place. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Jack:                      "My biggest question..." Jill:                          OK, "my biggest" ... do you want to finish this? Jack:                      "My biggest question around title or having the notary hand them the cheque is-" Jill:                          Too bad. [inaudible 00:02:19] I want to be Jack, this is good. Jack:                      "My biggest question around title or having the notary hand them the cheque is, what if I mess something up on the deed and I find out afterward it wasn't done correctly?" Jill:                          Boo hoo. Jack:                      "The seller would have already had the money." Jill:                          Uh-oh. Jack:                      Oh my god, sound effects Jill. Jill:                          Well this is what it's like. Jack:                      "I feel like there's probably a step here where I should make sure this doesn't happen if we're using a title company. That's a ... you know ... but I'm not sure what it is." Jill:                          Alright, I'm taking back over. "What's the play there?

How to Implement Infill Lot Offer Campaigns (CFFL 492) Transcript: Jack:                      Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                          Good day. Jack:                      Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how to implement infill lot offer campaigns. This is, if you can't tell- Jill:                          It's really specific, I like it. Jack:                      One of my topics, not Jill's. Before we get into it though, let's take a question posted by one of our members on landinvestors.com online community, it's free. Jill:                          What's that supposed to mean? I wouldn't come up with something like this on my own? Jack:                      If it sounds like we're going to talk about something Tony Robinson talked about, I didn't come up with it. Jill:                          If it sounds like really- Jack:                      If it sounds like something Bill Gates would talk about, I probably came up with it. Jill:                          Okay. Fine. All right. Before we get into the HTML discussion about ... Just kidding. Okay. All right. Daniel asked, "I have tried to get a hold of the index maps from a few counties and have come up empty handed. Can anyone shed some more light on who is the best person at the County office to talk to in order to obtain these maps, or any additional information that may be helpful? Thanks." Jack:                      Excellent question Daniel. In fact it's topical, it's perfect to the topic today. So a lot of ... New people in counties don't understand, very frequently, what an index map is. And what an index map is, quite simply, is this. If you picture a map of a county there are certain areas ... When it got all subdivided, there are certain areas where the APN that starts with, let's say, 100 might be in the north east corner. The APN that starts with 200 might be in the south east corner. And it gets mapped out, it's a map that literally indexes the APN scheme based on the numbers. So, depending on where you are in the country, they don't call it an index map, they call it an APN map or a bunch of other stuff. Out west here they do call it index maps, which is why ... That's what we call it. But, let's say that you've talked to 19 people at the county and no one has any idea what you're talking about, here's what you do. This is really the show. This is the show. Jill:                          It's actually funny 'cause it's like ... You know what ... I gotta pause and interject here 'cause, you think you're ... I mean, let's be honest, they're real people. They may not have been there for a long time, they may be filling in for somebody, they may be brand new. They may just have not- Jack:                      They may be dizzy eating cake. Jill:                          They may just be in their own little world and all they do is stamp things 'cause that's all they do, and pass them to the next person. So, it's funny, you call the County and you think you're getting a wealth of information, like a formally trained librarian- Jack:                      Like a library, yeah. Jill:                          Exactly. It's not like the librarian. Sometimes you will find yourself educating the County person who answers the phone. Jack:                      You're interrupting them. Jill:                          Like this. Jack:                      You're interrupting their cake eating experience. Jill:                          Jack, would you stop that. It's not nice. 'Cause of one person. But, no it's not just one, but anyway. So, Jack. Jack:                      So, what do you do when no one knows what an index map is at the place where you're paying your taxes to pay their salary. Jill:                          Oh my gosh, here we go again. Boy. Jack:                      If you don't know what Redfin is,

Number One Reason People Fail (CFFL 450) Jack:                     Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                        Good Day. Jack:                     Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about the number one reason people fail. Jill:                        Okay, I have to say something. So ... Jack:                     We're not even into it yet! Jill:                        No, no, no ... I just have to say something about this real quick because my assistant was going, "what is the number one reason?" I'm like, where are you reading that? What are you talking about? She goes, no it's a show you have coming up. I'm like ... Oh, that's a really good question. I think I know what he's gonna say, but I don't know what he's gonna say. So I think ... I told her I'll let you know. Jack:                     Because God forbid she listens to the show. Jill:                        No I know. They usually don't listen to our show. That's what's so funny. Everybody that works here does not listen to our show. Jack:                     Everybody who works with us has no interest in real estate. Jill:                        I know. Jack:                     And doesn't listen to our show. Jill:                        Well she does interest in real estate. Jack:                     It's just funny. Jill:                        I know. Jack:                     I don't know why. Jill:                        It's hilarious. Okay. So, I think I'm going to quietly ... You know like you're writing when you cover your hand I'm gonna write what I think it's about and I want you to tell me what you think it's about. Jack:                     Before we get into it even though Jill just did. Let's take a question posted by one of our members on landinvenstors.com online community. It's free. Jill:                        Okay. Claire asks, "Is there any special way to frame offers to owners of multiple parcels in the same subdivision?" Jack:                     Claire I am so proud of you. You are one of our original members and you're just killin it. And this is yet another incredibly intelligent question from you. Yes, this is what we do. It gets complicated, but I will tell you for the more sophisticated database people out there that are in our group or not in our group doesn't matter this is how you do it ... In a whole subdivision we'll use a thousand property example. There's a thousand properties in a subdivision and let's say two people own, you know, a ton of them. Which this is a real life example. It happens all the time. Usually the people who own a ton of them are like Jill and I. So you don't want to waste fifty cents on sending duplicate offers at all. You never want to do that. So you run through the mail merge or you call somebody at offerstoowners.com, which is one of our companies. They'll do it for you. You run a mail merge that says ... With all the single property owners, right, and now you're done with that and you get the offers in the mail. And now what you have in the tech world or the database world is an exception. You deal with these exceptions at the end. And so if there's those two people that own a ton of properties ... If you're brand new or if you're new to data, you can manually just copy and paste them in or you can run a duplicate data base filter which creates a separate type of offer and now you're only spending fifty cents to send an offer and it adds it all up for you. Fifty properties, or eighty properties, or a hundred properties. So, Claire reach out to me. I'll help ya. We have a little custom application that we wrote a lot of years ago that we run the data through and it separates the two. It's on my list to share with everyone. Jill:                        I love it. This is so good. This is a really great example of how quickly you can go from flipping your first deal to this stuff.

Everybody Loves Cheap Real Estate (CFFL 432) Transcript: Jack:                     Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill:                        Hi. Jack:                     Welcome to our show today. In this episode Jill and I talk about how everybody loves cheap real estate. Is there anything better? Jill:                        Who knew? Jack:                     There's a couple of things, might be better but- Jill:                        I don't know. Jack:                     Cheap real estate ranks in the top 3 or 4 for sure. Hey, before we get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the land ... landinvestors.com online community. It's free, we just changed it. Jill:                        Yep! It's coming. Patrick and Jessica asked, "Hi, as we mentioned before, we're receiving many signed offers, with deed, that have multiple properties on them- Jack:                     Sorry, guys this works- Jill:                        And we only want to purchase one. The county is saying that the owner needs to put them on their own deed. Does anyone know if we can have our property ... have the property owner record a quick claim deed with him/herself as grantor and grantee for each property. We could prepare this quick claim deed for them and then send a notary, maybe even with the new deed, that passes it to us. Then we could send all into in the county ans ask them to record the quick claim deed first. Thoughts? When acquired a title agent to help, they just want to close the whole deal and won't do this little part. These are within our first ten deals however, we are seeing many of the them and we would like to be able to know how to do this. Thanks in advance." We've done this before too, so- Jack:                     Thank you for answering this- Jill:                        You're welcome. Typically, you don't need a quick claim deed. Jack:                     No. Jill:                        I know that we all want to really trust and believe that the county is always a 100% right, where whoever answers the phone, they may not be ... they may not have been there that long and ... won't even really go there. Here's how you solve this. Cause Jack and I do it all the time. I will buy properties from one person or one entity, like maybe I'm buying twenty five at one time, but not I'm going try and sell twenty five. Then I'm not going to have it recorded twenty five times, 'cause Jack and I've bought properties- Jack:                     By the thousands- Jill:                        Thousands-[crosstalk 00:02:02] Jack:                     Thousands of properties in one day- Jill:                        One thousand recorded deeds times 25 dollars is a lot of money. We're not doing that. To record each one individually. So, no. But when I turn and sell it, I'm only selling one out of that group, which is correct, so they don't need to do anything, you just need to do one deed showing that one line item, that one property with the proper legal description, it's the one that's being now sold to you. And transferred to you. Jack:                     Here's where the confusion happens ... we get this question a lot. When you go register a car with a title, you can't put two cars on one title, right? Well, you can with real estate. You can put 300 properties, a thousand properties, two properties on one single deed. And then, sell them with- Jill:                        Separately- Jack:                     Individual deed. It's a new typical question and it's a good one- Jill:                        It's a very good question- Jack:                     I think we answered it. Jill:                        That was awesome. Jack:                     If you have a question, or you'd like to be on the show, reach out to either one of us on landinvestors.com. Today's topic ... this is the meat of the show, by the way.

Don't Take Our Word for it, Check Your Sources Jack Butala: Don't Take Our Word for it, Check Your Sources. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jill:                            Hi. Jack:                         Welcome to our show today, this Tuesday. IN this episode, Jill and I talk about: Hey, don't take our word for it, check it out, do the research. Check your resources, check our ... Just do some research, and check it out on everything we say. But hey, before we really get into it, let's take a question posted by one of our members on TheLandAcadamey.com online community. It has several names, which we'll cover in a second, and it's always free though. Jill:                            Kierriah asked, "What do I do when a perspective buyer tells me there may be a POA, kind of like an HOA, a home owner's ... Jack:                         Property Owner's Association. Jill:                            Yep. Jack:                         That's a right way to say it, we always say HOA. But when we say, sorry go ahead. Jill:                            That's okay. No that wasn't interrupting at all. Jack:                         Go ahead, sorry. Jill:                            All good. "What do I do when a perspective buyer tells me there may be a POA, property owner's association fee, for the neighborhood? I haven't received anything in the way of a bill since receiving the deed." Not surprising, may take a little while. "So I have no idea if my property has a POA fee. This buyer wants to own her finance, so I may need to pay this fee for the next 3 years. Should I try to find out since he's making payments? Do I just wait to see if a bill comes from the POA? Jack:                         These are all great questions and I'm so glad this came up. The first thing you want to do when buying a piece of property, as part of the due diligence, whether or not to actually pull the trigger, google the subdivision name, if it's in a subdivision, if it's not then you're okay. If there is an association, then you want to call the person who runs it, and you want to ask them all about what's going on there. Jill:                            Did you say this before you buy? Jack:                         Yeah. Jill:                            Okay, good, because you don't want to buy it and then find out later on they owed $1000. Jack:                         Well the chain of events is this: you sent a ton of offers out, a bunch of them come back signed, or the seller calls you, whatever. And then you start to review the property. If you're new to this show, or new to the whole concept. Everybody else does it backwards and wrong. We do it correct. Jill:                            Exactly. Cause everybody wastes hours and days and weeks on properties they're not gonna buy. Jack:                         You only ever do due diligence on a property that the deal's already ... the aconomics of the transaction is done. Jill:                            Right. Jack:                         In all, in one of those things on the list to check it out is a POA. Here's a truth about POAs and HOAs. They have no idea when properties change hands, okay? They are very unorganized in general. I still get a bill every year from an HOA in Texas. We haven't owned property in there in probably 8 years. So they don't have a direct connection to what's the recorder's office; they aren't notified efficiently and unless they ... Some of the bigger ones go there every day and they see if anything's transferred, or they go to the website, or they're in the same building. What was the question? Jill:                            It's to the POA and the HOA's advantage to know who the current seller is because they want to make sure that person's getting a bill and paying them,

FaceBook Gets Property Sales Results Jack Butala: FaceBook Gets Property Sales Results. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Howdy. Jack: Welcome to our show, today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how Facebook gets property sales results. Man, the first time I heard that sentence, a while ago, I just scoffed. We're going to talk all about it in a funny, humorous way, because I'm old. Jill: You're not old. You're not old. Jack: First, let's take a question posted by one of our members on SuccessPlan.com, our online community. Let's read it. Jill: Okay. Luke asked, "Got this residential property that came with some others I bought. I did not want to buy it, but the seller said, 'Just take it.'" Boy, isn't that funny how often that happens. "Now I'm trying to figure out the best way to sell it. There's no access. There's six neighbors that are houses in a subdivision. They all back up to it. I'm thinking of sending them all letters to see if any of them want to buy it." Jack: Yeah, that's the answer. Jill: "Do you guys have any advice on what to say in the letters? I was thinking of putting maps in there ... Jack: Yeah. Jill: "... with handwriting on them pointing out to them the lot I have for sale. I would like to sell it. What's the best way?" Jack: You nailed it. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jack: You nailed it. I would do exactly what you said. I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it, but I would say, "You know, the property that you're actually using, all of you anyway, here's your chance to buy it for next to nothing. Here's the taxes." You're not going to retire on this deal by any stretch, but it's the right thing to do. There's one person in our group, this is his whole business model. This is how he sells property. He buys property that's surrounded by other working ranches, let's say, and he sends them letters. So far, he's struck 100%. Jill: Yeah. My brother did that. I don't know if you know that. His house is up against like this ridge, and then there's a parcel there. When it came available, he was excited to buy it. He has no intentions of doing anything with it, but that way ... Jack: No neighbors. Jill: ... he can just say his property ... Yeah, there's no one that's going to touch it. No one can build anything there that could possibly block the view, and now he owns more property there. There's a lot of people out there that just get excited like that. Jack: I bought ... You know if you go to tax like ... If you go to look at existing tax liens that you can foreclose on in western states, they're packed with little tiny slivers of land that are people's driveways, or like I bought on with a well on it one time. I get the well too, so I sent one letter and made two grand. I foreclosed on the property for ... I don't know. It was like $100 all in. Yeah, I think this can become your full blown business model if you want it to. Jill: Yeah, but what also is nice is anything Luke makes off of this property is profit, because it was just thrown in the package, clearly. That happens. It's hilarious. Jack: We have two Lukes that I know about in our group. One's brand new, and one's really seasoned. I wonder which one this is. Jill: I think I know, but I'm not sure. Jack: Based on the spelling and punctuation, I think it's the new guy. Jill: I don't know. He's not that new, by the way. Jack: Oh, I'm sorry. Jill: It's okay. Jack: The new guy can write. The more established Luke, it feels like this punctuation's [crosstalk 00:03:17]. Jill: Oh, god. Jack: Maybe it because he makes so much [crosstalk 00:03:20]. Jill: Time waster. Jack: Yeah,

FaceBook Gets Property Sales Results Jack Butala: FaceBook Gets Property Sales Results. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Howdy. Jack: Welcome to our show, today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about how Facebook gets property sales results. Man, the first time I heard that sentence, a while ago, I just scoffed. We're going to talk all about it in a funny, humorous way, because I'm old. Jill: You're not old. You're not old. Jack: First, let's take a question posted by one of our members on SuccessPlan.com, our online community. Let's read it. Jill: Okay. Luke asked, "Got this residential property that came with some others I bought. I did not want to buy it, but the seller said, 'Just take it.'" Boy, isn't that funny how often that happens. "Now I'm trying to figure out the best way to sell it. There's no access. There's six neighbors that are houses in a subdivision. They all back up to it. I'm thinking of sending them all letters to see if any of them want to buy it." Jack: Yeah, that's the answer. Jill: "Do you guys have any advice on what to say in the letters? I was thinking of putting maps in there ... Jack: Yeah. Jill: "... with handwriting on them pointing out to them the lot I have for sale. I would like to sell it. What's the best way?" Jack: You nailed it. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jack: You nailed it. I would do exactly what you said. I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it, but I would say, "You know, the property that you're actually using, all of you anyway, here's your chance to buy it for next to nothing. Here's the taxes." You're not going to retire on this deal by any stretch, but it's the right thing to do. There's one person in our group, this is his whole business model. This is how he sells property. He buys property that's surrounded by other working ranches, let's say, and he sends them letters. So far, he's struck 100%. Jill: Yeah. My brother did that. I don't know if you know that. His house is up against like this ridge, and then there's a parcel there. When it came available, he was excited to buy it. He has no intentions of doing anything with it, but that way ... Jack: No neighbors. Jill: ... he can just say his property ... Yeah, there's no one that's going to touch it. No one can build anything there that could possibly block the view, and now he owns more property there. There's a lot of people out there that just get excited like that. Jack: I bought ... You know if you go to tax like ... If you go to look at existing tax liens that you can foreclose on in western states, they're packed with little tiny slivers of land that are people's driveways, or like I bought on with a well on it one time. I get the well too, so I sent one letter and made two grand. I foreclosed on the property for ... I don't know. It was like $100 all in. Yeah, I think this can become your full blown business model if you want it to. Jill: Yeah, but what also is nice is anything Luke makes off of this property is profit, because it was just thrown in the package, clearly. That happens. It's hilarious. Jack: We have two Lukes that I know about in our group. One's brand new, and one's really seasoned. I wonder which one this is. Jill: I think I know, but I'm not sure. Jack: Based on the spelling and punctuation, I think it's the new guy. Jill: I don't know. He's not that new, by the way. Jack: Oh, I'm sorry. Jill: It's okay. Jack: The new guy can write. The more established Luke, it feels like this punctuation's [crosstalk 00:03:17]. Jill: Oh, god. Jack: Maybe it because he makes so much [crosstalk 00:03:20]. Jill: Time waster. Jack: Yeah,

Bulk Mail Printing Explained Jack Butala: Bulk Mail Printing Explained. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Welcome to Land Academy. I'm Jack Butala. Jill : I'm Jill DeWit. Jack: We show you how to buy real estate for half of what it's worth. Jill : And sell it on the internet really fast. Jack: (both speaking) We are Jack and Jill and this is the Jack and Jill Show 2. Jack: With over 15,000 completed transactions we're the experts at acquiring property. Jill : Of all kinds, not just land. Jack: For half price, and flipping them for way more. Jill : All right, lets get this show started. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill : Hello. Jack: Welcome to our show today, in this episode Jill and I talk about Bulk Mill Printing explained. It's Friday. Jill : Happy Friday. Jack: First lets take a question posted by one of our members on Land Academy's free online community. Jill : Cool. All right. Brandon, not Luke, Brandon ... We have a lot of Luke's ... Brandon asked I have someone wanting to sell but is interested in maintaining the mineral rights. Before I call her back I want to be prepared. What is recommended? Try to keep mineral rights with the property if possible, or it's no big deal and proceed with the deed stating that she retains them. Any issues trying to sell the property with no mineral rights? Jack: Would you like to go or should I? Jill : Go for it. Jack: This is how mineral rights are conveyed and have been conveyed since homesteading property. Let's say in the whole chain of title since homestead, there's 10 people and you are number 9, the person you are going to sell it to in a month from now is number 10. Does this property have mineral rights? How do I know? What happens is, between number 1 and number 8 somebody withheld the mineral rights and they put it right on the deed. It says "I cam conveying this property whose legal description is this, and everything involved with it except mineral rights." How do you know if it was 2 or 3, how do you know the property still contains mineral rights? You have to go back and get all 8 documents. How realistic is that? Since back to the 1700's or whenever it was homesteaded. Extremely unlikely, in my opinion. That's how you know if the property has mineral rights. Best case, to answer one of these questions in here ... I love when there's like 6 questions ... The best case is that the mineral rights are still with the property, but it's going to take a lot of doing to find out. Mining companies are experts at it. Jill : It's funny, a lot of the deeds nowadays, the mineral rights, once they get taken out when someone's keeping the mineral rights, most of the deeds stop putting that phrase in there because it's just the property legal description. Mineral rights are not even discussed in the legal description, to find out you really have to go back. Which is a good thing we have access to all of that stuff we can do it ourselves. You have to go back and look at the deeds and see who got them and when. If you want to make it easy on yourself, Brandon, this is one of the things that we do. We pretty much tell our folks unless otherwise stated, please assume our properties do not have mineral rights. Because most of the time they do not. Jack: For the scope of what's going on here Jill, that's outstanding. Just assume that it doesn't have it. If you want to get in the mineral right business, and some people have done that and do that after they get involved with us, there's a lot of different ways to do that. Assume that it doesn't have any. Jill : Do we have any properties selling the properties mineral rights? Not at all. That's what we do.

Bulk Mail Printing Explained Jack Butala: Bulk Mail Printing Explained. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Welcome to Land Academy. I'm Jack Butala. Jill : I'm Jill DeWit. Jack: We show you how to buy real estate for half of what it's worth. Jill : And sell it on the internet really fast. Jack: (both speaking) We are Jack and Jill and this is the Jack and Jill Show 2. Jack: With over 15,000 completed transactions we're the experts at acquiring property. Jill : Of all kinds, not just land. Jack: For half price, and flipping them for way more. Jill : All right, lets get this show started. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill : Hello. Jack: Welcome to our show today, in this episode Jill and I talk about Bulk Mill Printing explained. It's Friday. Jill : Happy Friday. Jack: First lets take a question posted by one of our members on Land Academy's free online community. Jill : Cool. All right. Brandon, not Luke, Brandon ... We have a lot of Luke's ... Brandon asked I have someone wanting to sell but is interested in maintaining the mineral rights. Before I call her back I want to be prepared. What is recommended? Try to keep mineral rights with the property if possible, or it's no big deal and proceed with the deed stating that she retains them. Any issues trying to sell the property with no mineral rights? Jack: Would you like to go or should I? Jill : Go for it. Jack: This is how mineral rights are conveyed and have been conveyed since homesteading property. Let's say in the whole chain of title since homestead, there's 10 people and you are number 9, the person you are going to sell it to in a month from now is number 10. Does this property have mineral rights? How do I know? What happens is, between number 1 and number 8 somebody withheld the mineral rights and they put it right on the deed. It says "I cam conveying this property whose legal description is this, and everything involved with it except mineral rights." How do you know if it was 2 or 3, how do you know the property still contains mineral rights? You have to go back and get all 8 documents. How realistic is that? Since back to the 1700's or whenever it was homesteaded. Extremely unlikely, in my opinion. That's how you know if the property has mineral rights. Best case, to answer one of these questions in here ... I love when there's like 6 questions ... The best case is that the mineral rights are still with the property, but it's going to take a lot of doing to find out. Mining companies are experts at it. Jill : It's funny, a lot of the deeds nowadays, the mineral rights, once they get taken out when someone's keeping the mineral rights, most of the deeds stop putting that phrase in there because it's just the property legal description. Mineral rights are not even discussed in the legal description, to find out you really have to go back. Which is a good thing we have access to all of that stuff we can do it ourselves. You have to go back and look at the deeds and see who got them and when. If you want to make it easy on yourself, Brandon, this is one of the things that we do. We pretty much tell our folks unless otherwise stated, please assume our properties do not have mineral rights. Because most of the time they do not. Jack: For the scope of what's going on here Jill, that's outstanding. Just assume that it doesn't have it. If you want to get in the mineral right business, and some people have done that and do that after they get involved with us, there's a lot of different ways to do that. Assume that it doesn't have any. Jill : Do we have any properties selling the properties mineral rights? Not at all. That's what we do.

Joey was written by Danielle Villano and Jon Robertson  Performed by: Emma Cenholt-Houland as Laurie, Rob Rosado as Steve, and Christa Brennan as Jill It was produced, and edited Adam Raymonda. Music was written and performed by Gabriella Ibacache and Adam Raymonda. Additional production assistance from Bob Raymonda.

Jack Butala: House Flipping v Land Flipping. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show, today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about house [inaudible 00:00:06], house flipping versus land flipping and some of the differences and pros and cons. Here's a hint: they're both good. Before we get to it, let's take a question, posted by one of our members on Land Academy's free online community. Jill: Cool. How do I get to that free online community? Jack: LandAcademy.com. Jill: Okay, Chris asked, "What is the significance of capping the assessed value so low?" Chris is obviously in our world, so he knows to ask this question. "Is it not worth it to mail to the higher assessed properties?" Jack: One of the shows we did this week was called Mailer Yield. I think it was yesterday. What mailers yield better results? Jill: Right. Jack: Maybe it was Wednesday. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jack: Happy Friday, by the way. Jill: Thank you. Happy Friday. Jack: The significance ... What we teach for beginning people is to take the bottom 20% of the assessed value this. Imagine this. Imagine a county, maybe the county that you live in. Now take all the property in that county, every single property, take out all the commercial real estate. Take out all the houses. Take out all the government owned land. Picture it in your head. Now you're left with vacant property, vacant, unimproved property. Now take all the properties out that aren't five acres, or let's just say we're going to send a mailer in that county of all the vacant property that's between five and eight acres. Jill: Okay. Jack: All right. Now, take the bottom ... They have an assessed value between a million dollars and ten dollars. You want the bottom 20% only, because you want to send letters out that are undervalue, really under value, like 40% of what they're worth, maybe less, so the strike percentage on that lower value property's going to be better. Does that make sense? Jill: Yeah. Jack: This is imperative. If you do not do this, the first time out, and you don't hit your numbers, like we talk about. For every hundred vacant properties that you send out, your going to buy one. For every 2,000 offers you send on houses, you're going to buy one. You will not achieve those percentages if you don't do it in the bottom 20% of assessed value. Jill: Right. Well, like Jack said, you gave a range. You know, am I going to send an offer to someone with a property with a half a million assessed value? No, and offering a couple thousand? That's not realistic. You're being realistic, too. Jack: Five acres in the middle of a city, that's completely unimproved is assessed way differently than five acres in a very rural area. Jill: Exactly. Jack: You want the five acres in the rural area in the beginning. The second part of his question is, "Is it not worth is to mail higher assessed value properties?" Heck, yes. Go ahead anddo that. Your strike percentage is going to be less. I've even done this on accident before ... Jill: It's true. Jack: ... and we bought property. Jill: Yeah, I mean it's true. I have bought property for ... Gosh, the guy paid twenty-something thousand for it, tried to sell it for forty-something thousand for it. I bought it for $1,900. I mean, come on. Jack: That's right. I bought huge acreage properties in really urban areas at our prices. Jill: Accidentally. Jack: When you're a little bit more established in your career, and your real comfortable with the mechanics of buying property and the whole thing, absolutely, start going over to some of the ... Go after some of those kahunas. Jill: Well,

Jack Butala: House Flipping v Land Flipping. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show, today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about house [inaudible 00:00:06], house flipping versus land flipping and some of the differences and pros and cons. Here's a hint: they're both good. Before we get to it, let's take a question, posted by one of our members on Land Academy's free online community. Jill: Cool. How do I get to that free online community? Jack: LandAcademy.com. Jill: Okay, Chris asked, "What is the significance of capping the assessed value so low?" Chris is obviously in our world, so he knows to ask this question. "Is it not worth it to mail to the higher assessed properties?" Jack: One of the shows we did this week was called Mailer Yield. I think it was yesterday. What mailers yield better results? Jill: Right. Jack: Maybe it was Wednesday. Jill: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Jack: Happy Friday, by the way. Jill: Thank you. Happy Friday. Jack: The significance ... What we teach for beginning people is to take the bottom 20% of the assessed value this. Imagine this. Imagine a county, maybe the county that you live in. Now take all the property in that county, every single property, take out all the commercial real estate. Take out all the houses. Take out all the government owned land. Picture it in your head. Now you're left with vacant property, vacant, unimproved property. Now take all the properties out that aren't five acres, or let's just say we're going to send a mailer in that county of all the vacant property that's between five and eight acres. Jill: Okay. Jack: All right. Now, take the bottom ... They have an assessed value between a million dollars and ten dollars. You want the bottom 20% only, because you want to send letters out that are undervalue, really under value, like 40% of what they're worth, maybe less, so the strike percentage on that lower value property's going to be better. Does that make sense? Jill: Yeah. Jack: This is imperative. If you do not do this, the first time out, and you don't hit your numbers, like we talk about. For every hundred vacant properties that you send out, your going to buy one. For every 2,000 offers you send on houses, you're going to buy one. You will not achieve those percentages if you don't do it in the bottom 20% of assessed value. Jill: Right. Well, like Jack said, you gave a range. You know, am I going to send an offer to someone with a property with a half a million assessed value? No, and offering a couple thousand? That's not realistic. You're being realistic, too. Jack: Five acres in the middle of a city, that's completely unimproved is assessed way differently than five acres in a very rural area. Jill: Exactly. Jack: You want the five acres in the rural area in the beginning. The second part of his question is, "Is it not worth is to mail higher assessed value properties?" Heck, yes. Go ahead anddo that. Your strike percentage is going to be less. I've even done this on accident before ... Jill: It's true. Jack: ... and we bought property. Jill: Yeah, I mean it's true. I have bought property for ... Gosh, the guy paid twenty-something thousand for it, tried to sell it for forty-something thousand for it. I bought it for $1,900. I mean, come on. Jack: That's right. I bought huge acreage properties in really urban areas at our prices. Jill: Accidentally. Jack: When you're a little bit more established in your career, and your real comfortable with the mechanics of buying property and the whole thing, absolutely, start going over to some of the ... Go after some of those kahunas. Jill: Well,

Deed Pass-Through Defined Jack Butala: Deed Pass-Through Defined. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hey. Jack: Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about what a deed pass-through is, deed pass-through defined. Jill: I'm not even sure. Jack: That's why ... That's why I threw it in [inaudible 00:00:12] Recurring question and success plan we're going to talk about in a few minutes. Before that, let's share something interesting that happened to us lately Jill. Oh, it's me. I'm supposed to say it. Jill: I'm looking at you like, "Wait". Jack: Today is Wednesday and I am so happy to report that I ... Wednesday is the day that I do, what we call around the office, deal-review. It's a chance for our members to schedule calls, and talk to me and say, "Hey. Would you do this deal? I got this deal, I'm thinking about doing it. Should I do it?" Well, there's one ... One of our members, he's now officially our star-member. He has calling me just about every Wednesday to review deals for maybe 2 months. I think, as a member, I think he's 2, maybe 3 months into this with us. He's officially clearing 100,000 dollars a month, cash flow. Jill: That's awesome. Jack: Unbelievable. Jill: Exactly. Jack: I'm not going to ... he said it's okay to disclose his name, I'm not going to do that. Jill: I think it's good if we don't. Jack: We'll put a whole thing together at some point with the calls, and get him directly involved, because we all want to know his secret. Jill: You know it's funny, I know one little thing about this person, is that, we weren't his first encounter with this. He was like a lot of people that have come to us, that have tried other version of what we do. Trying to be investors and learning about the business, but they ran into ... They're missing a lot of the pieces. This person I know came, to us and clearly got ... Now has all the answers, because clearly, now, he's very successful. It's not like the guy's not motivated man, the guy is clearly motivated. Now he's doing what he wants to do and all that. It's really good. Jack: I asked him why he's so successful and some people aren't, and he said, "It's because I have to know ... I have to have the answers to everything. I have to know the why." That's how he put it. Jill: I love it. Jack: W H Y, you know. That really makes a lot of sense. Jill: That's what we do, we help you. That's part of the show. Jack: Yeah, that's what this show is. Jill: Yeah. Jack: Boy, he listens to the show too. He says, "You know what you said on the show last week, this and that." It's amazing. Jill: Good. Jack: I'm super proud of him. Jill: Me too. Jack: All of our members are killing it in their own way, but this just happens to be ... He just figured ... Made this work for him really, really well. I feel like a parent ... it's just weird. Jill: Parental pride. Jack: Yeah, I just feel proud. Jill: It's the same ... It's interesting, you're right. It's the same feeling, and I think it's the most wonderful thing. Jack: Jill, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the Land Academy online environment, community. Jill: Soon to be the Jack and Jill online community. Okay, not that we're going to change it again, but we're going to land on one, I promise. All right. Ron asks, "If I'm buying property from Jose 'blank' in California, and he's married, but the vesting deed shows just his name, what are you requiring the spouse to sign? Are you requiring the spouse to sign the purchase agreement, or adding an extra signature line on the new deed? I'm assuming leave the grantor name as Jose 'blank',

Deed Pass-Through Defined Jack Butala: Deed Pass-Through Defined. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hey. Jack: Welcome to our show today. In this episode, Jill and I talk about what a deed pass-through is, deed pass-through defined. Jill: I'm not even sure. Jack: That's why ... That's why I threw it in [inaudible 00:00:12] Recurring question and success plan we're going to talk about in a few minutes. Before that, let's share something interesting that happened to us lately Jill. Oh, it's me. I'm supposed to say it. Jill: I'm looking at you like, "Wait". Jack: Today is Wednesday and I am so happy to report that I ... Wednesday is the day that I do, what we call around the office, deal-review. It's a chance for our members to schedule calls, and talk to me and say, "Hey. Would you do this deal? I got this deal, I'm thinking about doing it. Should I do it?" Well, there's one ... One of our members, he's now officially our star-member. He has calling me just about every Wednesday to review deals for maybe 2 months. I think, as a member, I think he's 2, maybe 3 months into this with us. He's officially clearing 100,000 dollars a month, cash flow. Jill: That's awesome. Jack: Unbelievable. Jill: Exactly. Jack: I'm not going to ... he said it's okay to disclose his name, I'm not going to do that. Jill: I think it's good if we don't. Jack: We'll put a whole thing together at some point with the calls, and get him directly involved, because we all want to know his secret. Jill: You know it's funny, I know one little thing about this person, is that, we weren't his first encounter with this. He was like a lot of people that have come to us, that have tried other version of what we do. Trying to be investors and learning about the business, but they ran into ... They're missing a lot of the pieces. This person I know came, to us and clearly got ... Now has all the answers, because clearly, now, he's very successful. It's not like the guy's not motivated man, the guy is clearly motivated. Now he's doing what he wants to do and all that. It's really good. Jack: I asked him why he's so successful and some people aren't, and he said, "It's because I have to know ... I have to have the answers to everything. I have to know the why." That's how he put it. Jill: I love it. Jack: W H Y, you know. That really makes a lot of sense. Jill: That's what we do, we help you. That's part of the show. Jack: Yeah, that's what this show is. Jill: Yeah. Jack: Boy, he listens to the show too. He says, "You know what you said on the show last week, this and that." It's amazing. Jill: Good. Jack: I'm super proud of him. Jill: Me too. Jack: All of our members are killing it in their own way, but this just happens to be ... He just figured ... Made this work for him really, really well. I feel like a parent ... it's just weird. Jill: Parental pride. Jack: Yeah, I just feel proud. Jill: It's the same ... It's interesting, you're right. It's the same feeling, and I think it's the most wonderful thing. Jack: Jill, let's take a question posted by one of our members on the Land Academy online environment, community. Jill: Soon to be the Jack and Jill online community. Okay, not that we're going to change it again, but we're going to land on one, I promise. All right. Ron asks, "If I'm buying property from Jose 'blank' in California, and he's married, but the vesting deed shows just his name, what are you requiring the spouse to sign? Are you requiring the spouse to sign the purchase agreement, or adding an extra signature line on the new deed? I'm assuming leave the grantor name as Jose 'blank',

Why You Don't Need a Purchase Agreement Jack Butala: Why You Don't Need a Purchase Agreement. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala, with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show today. In this episode Jill and I talk about why you don't need a purchase agreement all the time. Great show today Jill. Before we get started, let's share something funny that, or interesting, I should say, that happened to us recently. Jill: You know, I wanted to share a really, really, really cool email that I got from somebody. I was going to point out a couple of little things in here. I love when I get these. This is interesting to me. I got to tell you, I read these, and I need to share it, so here I am sharing it. I mean, it's just so good, the feedback that we get. This individual ... I haven't asked, so I have to kind of ... can't drop some names here, but I can share some of it though. It says: "Hey. Hi, Jill. I just wanted to drop a note of thanks to you and Jack, having joined a few weeks ago. Although I have already been running a profitable land business, my methods have been rather than systematic." Jack: Yeah. Jill: Isn't that great? Jack: Yeah. Jill: He says, "I'm going through everything. It's so thoroughly done and it really does leave no stone unturned. I am smitten." Jack: Wow. Jill: Isn't that great? He said, "To offer perspective ... Jack: Smitten with you. Jill: ... I have actually been" ... Thank you. Jack: Jill smitten. Jill: Thank you. Jack: Dot com. Jill smitten dot com. Jill: You're so sweet. I have a quote here at the end I was going to save for you. My quote for you is, "This show may or may not appeal to you." You said that ... Jack: Make fun of Jack dot com. Jill: What you said the other day ... Yeah. No, but he's ... We're not his first go around here, but it sounds like we're his last go around. Jack: Awe. Jill: It basically ... His whole thing was we taught him how to web base this whole thing. He says ... Here's his ending, "Within a few weeks I intend to have a fully functioning, automated, web based selling properties. I love the idea of selling properties this way. I'm so thankful to have found you two. I look forward to tomorrow's podcast. Laughing along with you as I gain new insights." Jack: Awesome. What a compliment. That's great. Jill: Thank you. Isn't that cool? Jack: It really is I mean ... Jill: Took a few pieces out of that, but ... Jack: You can't buy that kind of stuff. Jill smitten. Jill: You're so funny. Thank you. Jack: I'm going to see if that's available. Jill: Jill smitten dot com. Jack: I'm serious. Jill: The crap Jack says dot com. Jack: I just ... I got an email for somebody recently. They said, "You know, once in a while you talk about a calendar. Can you please put a calendar together that shows the path that you can take. You know, what I'm suppose to do on Saturday. What I'm suppose to do on Sunday because I got to work Monday through Friday." and on and on, so I did. I put a calendar together and we're going to publish it. I mean I won't ... We're going to publish with your sales. Whenever you tell us to, but ... Jill: Okay. Jack: I finally ... I've been threatening to do that for quite some time. It actually turned out really cool. Jill: Threatening. Jack: No, a lot of people say, look, I get it. You guys are doing great. I see all these members doing it but I just need one step more. I need you to tell me. When I ... All right, let's say I start the thing on Thursday, how much time do I need? Well it takes this much time to go through the program, then this much time to learn the data, then on Saturday you start just do the mail,

Why You Don't Need a Purchase Agreement Jack Butala: Why You Don't Need a Purchase Agreement. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala, with Jill DeWit. Jill: Hi. Jack: Welcome to our show today. In this episode Jill and I talk about why you don't need a purchase agreement all the time. Great show today Jill. Before we get started, let's share something funny that, or interesting, I should say, that happened to us recently. Jill: You know, I wanted to share a really, really, really cool email that I got from somebody. I was going to point out a couple of little things in here. I love when I get these. This is interesting to me. I got to tell you, I read these, and I need to share it, so here I am sharing it. I mean, it's just so good, the feedback that we get. This individual ... I haven't asked, so I have to kind of ... can't drop some names here, but I can share some of it though. It says: "Hey. Hi, Jill. I just wanted to drop a note of thanks to you and Jack, having joined a few weeks ago. Although I have already been running a profitable land business, my methods have been rather than systematic." Jack: Yeah. Jill: Isn't that great? Jack: Yeah. Jill: He says, "I'm going through everything. It's so thoroughly done and it really does leave no stone unturned. I am smitten." Jack: Wow. Jill: Isn't that great? He said, "To offer perspective ... Jack: Smitten with you. Jill: ... I have actually been" ... Thank you. Jack: Jill smitten. Jill: Thank you. Jack: Dot com. Jill smitten dot com. Jill: You're so sweet. I have a quote here at the end I was going to save for you. My quote for you is, "This show may or may not appeal to you." You said that ... Jack: Make fun of Jack dot com. Jill: What you said the other day ... Yeah. No, but he's ... We're not his first go around here, but it sounds like we're his last go around. Jack: Awe. Jill: It basically ... His whole thing was we taught him how to web base this whole thing. He says ... Here's his ending, "Within a few weeks I intend to have a fully functioning, automated, web based selling properties. I love the idea of selling properties this way. I'm so thankful to have found you two. I look forward to tomorrow's podcast. Laughing along with you as I gain new insights." Jack: Awesome. What a compliment. That's great. Jill: Thank you. Isn't that cool? Jack: It really is I mean ... Jill: Took a few pieces out of that, but ... Jack: You can't buy that kind of stuff. Jill smitten. Jill: You're so funny. Thank you. Jack: I'm going to see if that's available. Jill: Jill smitten dot com. Jack: I'm serious. Jill: The crap Jack says dot com. Jack: I just ... I got an email for somebody recently. They said, "You know, once in a while you talk about a calendar. Can you please put a calendar together that shows the path that you can take. You know, what I'm suppose to do on Saturday. What I'm suppose to do on Sunday because I got to work Monday through Friday." and on and on, so I did. I put a calendar together and we're going to publish it. I mean I won't ... We're going to publish with your sales. Whenever you tell us to, but ... Jill: Okay. Jack: I finally ... I've been threatening to do that for quite some time. It actually turned out really cool. Jill: Threatening. Jack: No, a lot of people say, look, I get it. You guys are doing great. I see all these members doing it but I just need one step more. I need you to tell me. When I ... All right, let's say I start the thing on Thursday, how much time do I need? Well it takes this much time to go through the program, then this much time to learn the data, then on Saturday you start just do the mail,

Flip Houses 3 of 3 Mail Merge Print and Send Jack Butala: Flip Houses 3 of 3 Mail Merge Print and Send. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: It's Jack Butella for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cashflow from Land show. We show you how to buy property for half of what it's worth and resell it the very next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me. Jill: And inspiration from Jill. That's me. Jack: There's some funny stuff that happened to us recently. Jill, I can't believe that an Uber driver can tell you their whole life story in 6 minutes flat. Jill: Isn't it hilarious? It's so funny. Jack: We had an Uber driver last night and she was from Germany. She got married to an American and lives here now, lives in California. She told us her whole life story. Jill: It's hilarious. Jack: What it ended up being, her whole life story, the differences the way people drive in Europe and the way that people drive in California. I have to say, I think she was right. Jill: I totally agree. The whole valet parking thing I thought was really funny, too. I'll add that. Jack: Yeah, go ahead. It's the pass left thing that'll stick with me forever. Jill: The pass left? Jack: The left lane is for passing. Jill: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack: I'm from Detroit, that's how we learn it there too. Jill: Exactly. Jack: It's not for driving on. Jill: Exactly. Jack: If you have a white minivan and 430 people in your care and you're driving in the left lane and 45 miles an hour, this is for you. Jill: Watch out. Jack: Please don't do that. Jill: I love it. Oh my gosh. Jack: The Uber driver felt the same way. Jill: Right. That's so funny. Yeah, this was 6 minutes of a lot of laughing. It was hilarious. My favorite story was when she talked about her dad coming over. Her dad was appalled at the valet parking. Wait a minute, you mean I'm coming to your restaurant and I have to pay to leave my car to go to your restaurant? I'm like, "You know, I never really thought about it. I'm just kind of used to it." The dad was pissed off about that. Jack: He was. Jill: It was really funny. Jack: You know what my response is? I think he's probably right. Jill: I think he's right, too. Jack: Why am I paying to park if I'm coming to your place? Jill: Exactly. It was so darn funny. That was just a thing that just got to him. What was so cute too was I kind of felt bad for her, it sounds like her family came out and they visited and they're not coming back. Jack: Yeah. She said, "I think that's about it." Jill: Yeah, I guess she's got to go visit them there. For some people, that's okay. Jack: Right. Hey, in this episode, Jill and I talk about flipping houses. This is little mini episode 3 of 3. It's called Mail, Merge, Print, and Send. It's a piece of this that I don't think it's talked about enough and we don't get enough questions about it. It seems just, I guess, a mechanical piece. I'm going to try to make this as fun as possible, okay Jill? Jill: Got it. Jack: Great show. Before we start, let's take a question posted by one of our members on successplan.com, our free online community. Jill: Jason from Michigan called in and asked: I have your Day to Doorstep program and I'm amazed at the amount of data available. Jack: I like where this is going. Jill: I like this, too. It's very true. It's awesome. How to remove the houses with mortgages, is there a place to get an overview on this product? Nice question. Jack: How do you move all the houses with mortgages?

Flip Houses 3 of 3 Mail Merge Print and Send Jack Butala: Flip Houses 3 of 3 Mail Merge Print and Send. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: It's Jack Butella for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cashflow from Land show. We show you how to buy property for half of what it's worth and resell it the very next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me. Jill: And inspiration from Jill. That's me. Jack: There's some funny stuff that happened to us recently. Jill, I can't believe that an Uber driver can tell you their whole life story in 6 minutes flat. Jill: Isn't it hilarious? It's so funny. Jack: We had an Uber driver last night and she was from Germany. She got married to an American and lives here now, lives in California. She told us her whole life story. Jill: It's hilarious. Jack: What it ended up being, her whole life story, the differences the way people drive in Europe and the way that people drive in California. I have to say, I think she was right. Jill: I totally agree. The whole valet parking thing I thought was really funny, too. I'll add that. Jack: Yeah, go ahead. It's the pass left thing that'll stick with me forever. Jill: The pass left? Jack: The left lane is for passing. Jill: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack: I'm from Detroit, that's how we learn it there too. Jill: Exactly. Jack: It's not for driving on. Jill: Exactly. Jack: If you have a white minivan and 430 people in your care and you're driving in the left lane and 45 miles an hour, this is for you. Jill: Watch out. Jack: Please don't do that. Jill: I love it. Oh my gosh. Jack: The Uber driver felt the same way. Jill: Right. That's so funny. Yeah, this was 6 minutes of a lot of laughing. It was hilarious. My favorite story was when she talked about her dad coming over. Her dad was appalled at the valet parking. Wait a minute, you mean I'm coming to your restaurant and I have to pay to leave my car to go to your restaurant? I'm like, "You know, I never really thought about it. I'm just kind of used to it." The dad was pissed off about that. Jack: He was. Jill: It was really funny. Jack: You know what my response is? I think he's probably right. Jill: I think he's right, too. Jack: Why am I paying to park if I'm coming to your place? Jill: Exactly. It was so darn funny. That was just a thing that just got to him. What was so cute too was I kind of felt bad for her, it sounds like her family came out and they visited and they're not coming back. Jack: Yeah. She said, "I think that's about it." Jill: Yeah, I guess she's got to go visit them there. For some people, that's okay. Jack: Right. Hey, in this episode, Jill and I talk about flipping houses. This is little mini episode 3 of 3. It's called Mail, Merge, Print, and Send. It's a piece of this that I don't think it's talked about enough and we don't get enough questions about it. It seems just, I guess, a mechanical piece. I'm going to try to make this as fun as possible, okay Jill? Jill: Got it. Jack: Great show. Before we start, let's take a question posted by one of our members on successplan.com, our free online community. Jill: Jason from Michigan called in and asked: I have your Day to Doorstep program and I'm amazed at the amount of data available. Jack: I like where this is going. Jill: I like this, too. It's very true. It's awesome. How to remove the houses with mortgages, is there a place to get an overview on this product? Nice question. Jack: How do you move all the houses with mortgages?

We All Know Exactly What to Do Jack Butala: We All Know Exactly What to Do. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: S. Jack Butala for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow From Land Show. We show you how to buy property for half and resell it the very next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me ... Jill: And inspiration from Jill, that's me. Jack: Here's some funny stuff that happened to us recently. Jill: I actually considered renting an apartment above our favorite bar. Jack: Oh my God. Jill: It popped up- Jack: You crack me up with this stuff. Jill: I know. It popped up. I was looking for a long term rental. Jack: I have no control over my life at all. Jill: Here at the beach. I didn't realize it. I'm like this place looks kind of good. I'm zeroing in on the address and I'm like, oh this is going to be really bad. You can't do that. Could you [imagine 00:00:43] if we live- who would live above a bar, number one, and number two, that can't be good if you hang out there. Baby I'll be downstairs. That's never going to work. You never make it upstairs. Jack: Pretty much plan on going to sleep around three in the morning every morning. Jill: Yeah. Right. Then on the weekends, even if you're trying to get a good night sleep, that's not going to happen. Jack: Our home based office is in Scottsdale Arizona. Our house is there and all that stuff. Jill and I are going back and forth from California to Scottsdale and we're trying to find a place. It's pretty funny. This little journey about finding a place in itself, from real estate standpoint, is pretty darn funny. Jill: It is. It's hilarious. You know what it makes me think of too, you and I once a long time ago looked at a place in Old Town Scottsdale, if you remember that. It was a new remodeled building way up high. It was like on the third floor, remember that? Jack: Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative) Jill: We looked at this going, oh how cool would that be? We could live there. Then we realize oh no. Every one of our friends would be on our couch every weekend. We'd never have any- we're like no that's not going to work. Jack: Right. Jill: That's my funny thing. Jack: I'm in the process of buying a fairly large boat. We're using the same way that we buy property. We're sending a letter to everybody who owns one and offering way less than even half of what it's worth. If you don't know this, every single boat is for sale. The owner may not know it, but it is for sale. Jill: Yes. Jack: Anyway. I'm not telling our friends about that either. Jill: No don't. Jack: I'm going to take a picture of a rotting wooden boat somewhere and say, yeah come on stay on our boat. Jill: That's what we decided we're going to do. Jack: Don't tell anyone. Jill: We're going to show them a horrible awful picture of this beat up, junky, diesel smelling- Jack: Yes. Exactly. Jill: They're going to be like, "No we're all good. We don't want to come see you." [Shew 00:02:29]. Good they won't see the real boat. Jack: In this episode, Jill and I talk about we all know exactly what to do. Jill great show today. Before we start, as always, let's take a question, post it, by one of our members on successplan.com, our free online community. Jill: Okay. Dave wrote this question. I'm preparing a 1700 property mailer- Jack: Yeah Dave. Jill: Nice- to Park County Colorado. Per the course I have used LandWatch to find the cheapest properties per average. However, I've noticed that there's a lot of price fluctuation in that county. Any thoughts?

We All Know Exactly What to Do Jack Butala: We All Know Exactly What to Do. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: S. Jack Butala for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow From Land Show. We show you how to buy property for half and resell it the very next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me ... Jill: And inspiration from Jill, that's me. Jack: Here's some funny stuff that happened to us recently. Jill: I actually considered renting an apartment above our favorite bar. Jack: Oh my God. Jill: It popped up- Jack: You crack me up with this stuff. Jill: I know. It popped up. I was looking for a long term rental. Jack: I have no control over my life at all. Jill: Here at the beach. I didn't realize it. I'm like this place looks kind of good. I'm zeroing in on the address and I'm like, oh this is going to be really bad. You can't do that. Could you [imagine 00:00:43] if we live- who would live above a bar, number one, and number two, that can't be good if you hang out there. Baby I'll be downstairs. That's never going to work. You never make it upstairs. Jack: Pretty much plan on going to sleep around three in the morning every morning. Jill: Yeah. Right. Then on the weekends, even if you're trying to get a good night sleep, that's not going to happen. Jack: Our home based office is in Scottsdale Arizona. Our house is there and all that stuff. Jill and I are going back and forth from California to Scottsdale and we're trying to find a place. It's pretty funny. This little journey about finding a place in itself, from real estate standpoint, is pretty darn funny. Jill: It is. It's hilarious. You know what it makes me think of too, you and I once a long time ago looked at a place in Old Town Scottsdale, if you remember that. It was a new remodeled building way up high. It was like on the third floor, remember that? Jack: Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative) Jill: We looked at this going, oh how cool would that be? We could live there. Then we realize oh no. Every one of our friends would be on our couch every weekend. We'd never have any- we're like no that's not going to work. Jack: Right. Jill: That's my funny thing. Jack: I'm in the process of buying a fairly large boat. We're using the same way that we buy property. We're sending a letter to everybody who owns one and offering way less than even half of what it's worth. If you don't know this, every single boat is for sale. The owner may not know it, but it is for sale. Jill: Yes. Jack: Anyway. I'm not telling our friends about that either. Jill: No don't. Jack: I'm going to take a picture of a rotting wooden boat somewhere and say, yeah come on stay on our boat. Jill: That's what we decided we're going to do. Jack: Don't tell anyone. Jill: We're going to show them a horrible awful picture of this beat up, junky, diesel smelling- Jack: Yes. Exactly. Jill: They're going to be like, "No we're all good. We don't want to come see you." [Shew 00:02:29]. Good they won't see the real boat. Jack: In this episode, Jill and I talk about we all know exactly what to do. Jill great show today. Before we start, as always, let's take a question, post it, by one of our members on successplan.com, our free online community. Jill: Okay. Dave wrote this question. I'm preparing a 1700 property mailer- Jack: Yeah Dave. Jill: Nice- to Park County Colorado. Per the course I have used LandWatch to find the cheapest properties per average. However, I've noticed that there's a lot of price fluctuation in that county. Any thoughts?

You are Stronger Than You Think Jack Butala: You are Stronger Than You Think. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala for Land Academy, welcome to our Cash Flow from Land Show. We show you how to buy property for half of what it's worth and resell it the next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me. Jill: Great inspiration from Jill, that's me. Jack: Jill, there's gotta be some funny stuff you can start the show off with that's happened to us recently. Jill: Yes. I always have something funny. I'm up at four this morning ... I don't know why I'm up. I'm just like ... Jack: You live a crazy life, man. That's normal for us but for other people I think ... Jill: It's kind of true. That's a good thing to talk about on another show too. People probably look at us going, "What the heck is up with them?" Jack: That's what I think. Jill: I'm up, four in the morning and I'm on the computer. I'm working on our vacation home for the summer and I'm sending out some emails and things. I hear this sweeping, it sounded like it was right out my door. You know, it's really kind of funny ... I didn't know this. I get and I go out on the balcony and look down and there's a guy in a truck and they actually sweep the sand back on the beach. He's sweeping off the boardwalk. He's not a street sweeper, he's actually out there sweeping. Jack: Did you flash him? Jill: No. I didn't want to scare the guy because I was kind of like, "Somebody's out there." I thought he would be like, "Somebody's awake. Somebody's watching me." But yeah, there was an old guy out there sweeping. That made me feel good. Jack: Jill booked a condo for us right on the beach in Manhattan Beach, California over a month ago for about a week and we've been here now for over a month. That's funny enough I guess. Jill: I think what's the biggest funny take away that you and I brought from that week, we thought, "Oh, you want to be on the strand" and they were like, "No, being on the strand is not all that it's cracked up to be." Jack: There's sand in my gums. Jill: It's so funny, that's true. We roll a little differently. You were like, "I don't like the sand" I'm like, "Oh, yay. There's sand in my car. I like it." Jack: In this episode Jill and I talk about how you are stronger than you think. This is one of those shows where we talk a little bit about real estate and maybe some other philosophical stuff, so great show today. Before we start, let's start with a question posted by one of our members on successplan.com our free online community. Jill: Cool. Rob P. wrote: Hey all. I'm a complete newbie and just getting into the process of preparing mailers while I continue to learn. Not sure this has been a topic yet but I thought it'd be cool if everyone listed their best piece of advice if they had to pick one. Seeing how I have zero experience, I don't have much useful advice but, if I had to pick something on a more general note, it would be to take action. Far too often, like many, we'll spend far too much time in the research stage and end up never doing anything with it. That's why I am smartly using the "Learn as I go" approach here. That's timely. That's perfect. Jack: You couldn't write better questions. Jill: That was really cool. Jack: You and I couldn't sit down and dream up questions and write them better than this. Jill: Right. Jack: Rob, welcome to successplan.com and the family of Land Companies here and soon to be "Get There First", I guess this is our short, little verbal pre-launch to a company Jill and I are launching to help people effectively flip houses and get ...

You are Stronger Than You Think Jack Butala: You are Stronger Than You Think. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jack: Jack Butala for Land Academy, welcome to our Cash Flow from Land Show. We show you how to buy property for half of what it's worth and resell it the next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me. Jill: Great inspiration from Jill, that's me. Jack: Jill, there's gotta be some funny stuff you can start the show off with that's happened to us recently. Jill: Yes. I always have something funny. I'm up at four this morning ... I don't know why I'm up. I'm just like ... Jack: You live a crazy life, man. That's normal for us but for other people I think ... Jill: It's kind of true. That's a good thing to talk about on another show too. People probably look at us going, "What the heck is up with them?" Jack: That's what I think. Jill: I'm up, four in the morning and I'm on the computer. I'm working on our vacation home for the summer and I'm sending out some emails and things. I hear this sweeping, it sounded like it was right out my door. You know, it's really kind of funny ... I didn't know this. I get and I go out on the balcony and look down and there's a guy in a truck and they actually sweep the sand back on the beach. He's sweeping off the boardwalk. He's not a street sweeper, he's actually out there sweeping. Jack: Did you flash him? Jill: No. I didn't want to scare the guy because I was kind of like, "Somebody's out there." I thought he would be like, "Somebody's awake. Somebody's watching me." But yeah, there was an old guy out there sweeping. That made me feel good. Jack: Jill booked a condo for us right on the beach in Manhattan Beach, California over a month ago for about a week and we've been here now for over a month. That's funny enough I guess. Jill: I think what's the biggest funny take away that you and I brought from that week, we thought, "Oh, you want to be on the strand" and they were like, "No, being on the strand is not all that it's cracked up to be." Jack: There's sand in my gums. Jill: It's so funny, that's true. We roll a little differently. You were like, "I don't like the sand" I'm like, "Oh, yay. There's sand in my car. I like it." Jack: In this episode Jill and I talk about how you are stronger than you think. This is one of those shows where we talk a little bit about real estate and maybe some other philosophical stuff, so great show today. Before we start, let's start with a question posted by one of our members on successplan.com our free online community. Jill: Cool. Rob P. wrote: Hey all. I'm a complete newbie and just getting into the process of preparing mailers while I continue to learn. Not sure this has been a topic yet but I thought it'd be cool if everyone listed their best piece of advice if they had to pick one. Seeing how I have zero experience, I don't have much useful advice but, if I had to pick something on a more general note, it would be to take action. Far too often, like many, we'll spend far too much time in the research stage and end up never doing anything with it. That's why I am smartly using the "Learn as I go" approach here. That's timely. That's perfect. Jack: You couldn't write better questions. Jill: That was really cool. Jack: You and I couldn't sit down and dream up questions and write them better than this. Jill: Right. Jack: Rob, welcome to successplan.com and the family of Land Companies here and soon to be "Get There First", I guess this is our short, little verbal pre-launch to a company Jill and I are launching to help people effectively flip houses and get ...

Nothing Phases Me Anymore. My Speech. Whats Yours. Jack Butala: Nothing Phases Me Anymore. My Speech. Whats Yours. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Steve: It's Jack Butala for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow From Land Show. We show you how to buy property for half and resell it the next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me ... Jill: ... And inspiration from Jill, that's me. Steve: Here's some funny stuff that happened to us recently. Jill: I realized Steven's beach footwear consists of ... What ... Are they Converse? And Gucci loafers. We're here for a month, you have 2 things. Steve: I own 2 pairs of shoes. Jill: That's it. Gucci loafers ... There's no flip flops, there's nothing in between, it's that. No sandals. You have your converse shoes or your Gucci loafers. I was looking at that and you know what's funny? I can tell what kind of mood your in depending on your the shoes you put on. Steve: Really? Jill: Oh, totally. You are all business today. You're wearing your loafers. Steve: Oh. Jill: You wear your Gucci loafers- Steve: Is that good or bad? Jill: It's all good. I just ... I can mentally prepare to what's going on in your world based on the shoes you put on. Nothing else but your shoes. Steve: There's maybe 2 or 3 things in life that I'm extravagant about. Not extravagant, but I will pay full retail price for shoes. Jill: Yeah. Good shoes. Steve: Gucci discontinued these shoes. Here's a funny story. Jill: This is a good story. Steve: Gucci discontinued these shoes and we found a store 2 years ago. Jill found a store that still carried them and still had them leftover in stock from 2 years ago, so she goes and buys- Jill: It was in a Nordstrom. Steve: ... She goes and buys multiple pairs of these shoes, that are not cheap, and put them in her closet. I only know this because I saw the thing on the credit card bill ... Jill: Uh-huh (affirmative). Steve: ... Puts them in her closet and I asked her about it. She's like, "Oh yeah, I plan on, 2 years from now when the pair that your wearing is worn out, you can't take them to the shoe maker anymore, I'm going to give you one of these for Christmas. Jill: I'll whip out another one. I've got multiple pairs hidden, stacked away, so I know we're okay. Steve: That's love. That is Peppermint Patty love right there. Jill: Thank you, thank you. That's exactly what I did. Steve: In this episode, Jill and I talk about nothing phases me anymore. Here's my speech, what's yours? Jill, great show today. Before we start let's take a question posted by one of our members on SuccessPlant.com, our website and our free online community. Jill: Okay, Chaz wrote in and asked, "I started thinking about all the letters I just sent out and everybody can see what I'm flipping them for. May it better to have a separate sell website?" Oh. Steve: Yeah, what I think Chaz is saying is, "I have a website, it's XYZ.com," or whatever, "and I'm sending out on letterhead, sending all these letters to purchase property from people and then they can log onto my website and see them, clearly see that I'm selling them for way more." Chaz, you're darn right. I did respond to you directly in SuccessPlant because this is a great question and I can tell, the first sentence I said was I can tell that you're on your way. If you're having these kinds of thoughts and these concerns, you are in this, you've committed, and you're invested in it. The answer's this: You're dead right. We have a separate buy site and sell site, we always have. Well, not always,

Nothing Phases Me Anymore. My Speech. Whats Yours. Jack Butala: Nothing Phases Me Anymore. My Speech. Whats Yours. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Steve: It's Jack Butala for Land Academy. Welcome to our Cash Flow From Land Show. We show you how to buy property for half and resell it the next day. Great information and instruction from Jack, that's me ... Jill: ... And inspiration from Jill, that's me. Steve: Here's some funny stuff that happened to us recently. Jill: I realized Steven's beach footwear consists of ... What ... Are they Converse? And Gucci loafers. We're here for a month, you have 2 things. Steve: I own 2 pairs of shoes. Jill: That's it. Gucci loafers ... There's no flip flops, there's nothing in between, it's that. No sandals. You have your converse shoes or your Gucci loafers. I was looking at that and you know what's funny? I can tell what kind of mood your in depending on your the shoes you put on. Steve: Really? Jill: Oh, totally. You are all business today. You're wearing your loafers. Steve: Oh. Jill: You wear your Gucci loafers- Steve: Is that good or bad? Jill: It's all good. I just ... I can mentally prepare to what's going on in your world based on the shoes you put on. Nothing else but your shoes. Steve: There's maybe 2 or 3 things in life that I'm extravagant about. Not extravagant, but I will pay full retail price for shoes. Jill: Yeah. Good shoes. Steve: Gucci discontinued these shoes. Here's a funny story. Jill: This is a good story. Steve: Gucci discontinued these shoes and we found a store 2 years ago. Jill found a store that still carried them and still had them leftover in stock from 2 years ago, so she goes and buys- Jill: It was in a Nordstrom. Steve: ... She goes and buys multiple pairs of these shoes, that are not cheap, and put them in her closet. I only know this because I saw the thing on the credit card bill ... Jill: Uh-huh (affirmative). Steve: ... Puts them in her closet and I asked her about it. She's like, "Oh yeah, I plan on, 2 years from now when the pair that your wearing is worn out, you can't take them to the shoe maker anymore, I'm going to give you one of these for Christmas. Jill: I'll whip out another one. I've got multiple pairs hidden, stacked away, so I know we're okay. Steve: That's love. That is Peppermint Patty love right there. Jill: Thank you, thank you. That's exactly what I did. Steve: In this episode, Jill and I talk about nothing phases me anymore. Here's my speech, what's yours? Jill, great show today. Before we start let's take a question posted by one of our members on SuccessPlant.com, our website and our free online community. Jill: Okay, Chaz wrote in and asked, "I started thinking about all the letters I just sent out and everybody can see what I'm flipping them for. May it better to have a separate sell website?" Oh. Steve: Yeah, what I think Chaz is saying is, "I have a website, it's XYZ.com," or whatever, "and I'm sending out on letterhead, sending all these letters to purchase property from people and then they can log onto my website and see them, clearly see that I'm selling them for way more." Chaz, you're darn right. I did respond to you directly in SuccessPlant because this is a great question and I can tell, the first sentence I said was I can tell that you're on your way. If you're having these kinds of thoughts and these concerns, you are in this, you've committed, and you're invested in it. The answer's this: You're dead right. We have a separate buy site and sell site, we always have. Well, not always,

Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure Jack Butala: Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jill: This is Jill DeWit for Land Academy. Welcome to our cash flow from Land Show. In this episode, Steven and I talk about 1 of his biggest failures, it hurts that I'm a gunslinger. Steven, I can't wait for our listeners to hear about this story, so they don't make the same mistakes. Steven: It hurts me, it's a bad memory. Jill: So sorry about that. Steven: I'll share it for you. Jill: I hate to put you through this, but hey, before we start the story, let's take a question from a caller. Steven: Dale, from Vancouver asks, "So really, you don't need a real estate license to do this? Can you please explain?" This is an interesting question Jill, you want to take it, or do you want me to? Jill: I want you to take this. Steven: It happens a lot. Jill: It comes up a lot. You figured this out years ago, and I like your explanation. Steven: I'll give the short answer first, and then I'll tell you why. The answer is you can do it with a license or without a license, and in that effect, there's almost no difference at all. Somewhere along the line, probably a lot of years ago, somebody planted this idea in the American public's head that you have to have a real estate license to be an investor, and nothing could be further from the truth. You don't need to have a dealer license for a car dealership to buy a car, it's the same thing, so no. Very, very, very intelligent people make this mistake. It happens weekly to Jill and I, that people are running out getting a real estate license so they can be a real estate investor. The truth of it is, this is my pain, a licensed real estate agent is kind of subject to a different liability situation, or risk situation than an unlicensed person, because theoretically a licensed real estate agent, at least on paper is more experienced and they should know better. In reality we know it's really based on experienced and that's about it, so no, you don't need a license, but here's my recommendation. Real estate is cool, in most places it's pretty inexpensive. Out here it's about 500 bucks for 2, 3 weeks of education. I always recommend going to real estate school. More education is always better in everything, not just not this. Go to school. Hey, maybe you might decide to take the exam at the end and become an agent, and decided that it's for you, but at the very least you're going to spend 3, 4, 500 dollars and get a tremendous amount of value in a real world experience and learn about stuff. Jill: It's true. Steven: Then at the end decide, so no. Jill: Well I did this way too. Steven: Jill and I are not licensed. Jill: We're not licensed, but [crosstalk 00:02:41] Steven: Nobody here is licensed. Jill: As an investor, it's you buying your own assets, you're not representing somebody else to. Steven: Right Jill. Jill: It's different when you're representing somebody else. That's where the difference is, but people somehow they ... For some reason it gets blurred, and I don't know why. Like I'm buying something for myself and my company basically. Steven: Yeah, I think the blurriness comes from ... I agree with you, it's very blurry. The blurriness comes from the fact that there's a huge machine. There's a huge economic, political machine of people that are very, very interested in having as many license reorders as possible. If they're 1 of the top 5 largest special interest groups in Washington. That's what these fees are about, and these mandatory associations. Realtors have to spend a lot of money just to be licensed,

Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure Jack Butala: Steve's Arizona GunSlinger Hot Sauce Business Failure. Every Single month we give away a property for free. It's super simple to qualify. Two simple steps. Leave us your feedback for this podcast on iTunes and number two, get the free ebook at landacademy.com, you don't even have to read it. Thanks for listening. Jill: This is Jill DeWit for Land Academy. Welcome to our cash flow from Land Show. In this episode, Steven and I talk about 1 of his biggest failures, it hurts that I'm a gunslinger. Steven, I can't wait for our listeners to hear about this story, so they don't make the same mistakes. Steven: It hurts me, it's a bad memory. Jill: So sorry about that. Steven: I'll share it for you. Jill: I hate to put you through this, but hey, before we start the story, let's take a question from a caller. Steven: Dale, from Vancouver asks, "So really, you don't need a real estate license to do this? Can you please explain?" This is an interesting question Jill, you want to take it, or do you want me to? Jill: I want you to take this. Steven: It happens a lot. Jill: It comes up a lot. You figured this out years ago, and I like your explanation. Steven: I'll give the short answer first, and then I'll tell you why. The answer is you can do it with a license or without a license, and in that effect, there's almost no difference at all. Somewhere along the line, probably a lot of years ago, somebody planted this idea in the American public's head that you have to have a real estate license to be an investor, and nothing could be further from the truth. You don't need to have a dealer license for a car dealership to buy a car, it's the same thing, so no. Very, very, very intelligent people make this mistake. It happens weekly to Jill and I, that people are running out getting a real estate license so they can be a real estate investor. The truth of it is, this is my pain, a licensed real estate agent is kind of subject to a different liability situation, or risk situation than an unlicensed person, because theoretically a licensed real estate agent, at least on paper is more experienced and they should know better. In reality we know it's really based on experienced and that's about it, so no, you don't need a license, but here's my recommendation. Real estate is cool, in most places it's pretty inexpensive. Out here it's about 500 bucks for 2, 3 weeks of education. I always recommend going to real estate school. More education is always better in everything, not just not this. Go to school. Hey, maybe you might decide to take the exam at the end and become an agent, and decided that it's for you, but at the very least you're going to spend 3, 4, 500 dollars and get a tremendous amount of value in a real world experience and learn about stuff. Jill: It's true. Steven: Then at the end decide, so no. Jill: Well I did this way too. Steven: Jill and I are not licensed. Jill: We're not licensed, but [crosstalk 00:02:41] Steven: Nobody here is licensed. Jill: As an investor, it's you buying your own assets, you're not representing somebody else to. Steven: Right Jill. Jill: It's different when you're representing somebody else. That's where the difference is, but people somehow they ... For some reason it gets blurred, and I don't know why. Like I'm buying something for myself and my company basically. Steven: Yeah, I think the blurriness comes from ... I agree with you, it's very blurry. The blurriness comes from the fact that there's a huge machine. There's a huge economic, political machine of people that are very, very interested in having as many license reorders as possible. If they're 1 of the top 5 largest special interest groups in Washington. That's what these fees are about, and these mandatory associations. Realtors have to spend a lot of money just to be licensed,

The True Value of Mailer Data (Single Biggest Reason for Our Success) Jill:                          This is Jill DeWit for Land Academy and this is our Cash Flow from Land show. Today I get to interview Steven [crosstalk 00:00:10] and talk all about mailer data so really the subject is, or the title is, the true value of mailer data. No compromises. It's the single biggest reason for our success. Love it. Steven, I know this one of your favorite subjects and it's one of the reasons we, well maybe it's the key reason, we are also successful at finding and sourcing these super undervalued properties. I mean all kinds of real estate. Thank you for letting me pick your brain on this and get in a little more detail and explanation about it. Why the heck is good data so important? Steven:                Do you think we are putting people to sleep with these topics? Jill:                          Possibly. Steven:                What if this was the first podcast we ever did? Jill:                          Could you imagine? We are going to talk about data. Steven:                Who in the heck are these two talking about data and they expect anyone to listen to this thing for more than 40 seconds? Jill:                          Exactly. Steven:                We got to do something fun. Jill:                          This is hilarious! Steven:                What can we do? Tell us a story Jill. Jill:                          This is going to be going mailer data made exciting. Steven:                Tell us something that you've done in your acting class. Jill is an aspiring actor. She is auditioning for commercials and stuff. Tell us some fun super crazy stuff that you have done that is super interesting, that no one else has done. Did you try out a new hair color? Jill:                          No, here's what's funny though, is that one of the parts that I'm playing in this ... It's a small director showcase of a bunch of different works, short plays. I'm in two of them which I don't think anyone else is in two. I'm a little flattered and I'm a little freaked out cause I'm like "Really?". I'm playing a woman older than I am. One of the first things the director said to me was "We've got to do something about your hair!". Steven:                Cause it's too pretty? Jill:                          It is. It's funny because Thursday night is our dress rehearsal and they're trying to figure out- Steven:                Can I go to this? Jill:                          Can I find a wig? You can't go to the dress rehearsal- Steven:                You're play like a 70 year old woman, right? Jill:                          It's going to be hilarious. Yeah, I play a woman that has a child in their 30s or 40s with kids. Steven:                This is every woman's dream is to play a 70 year old woman with makeup and stuff, and get on a stage, and look older than you really are. Jill:                          Oh my gosh, yes. At first I though, "Oh great, you cast me? Thanks." You know? But then she said, "We've got to make you look old. We've got to do something with your hair. Your hair is too nice, too dark." Steven:                So what are you going to do? Jill:                          I don't know. They have something in mind. Now, that's not my talent[crosstalk 00:03:03]- Steven:                They have makeup department? Jill:                          Yeah, that's not my thing. The makeup people are going to do something with my hair. Steven:                That's great. Jill:                          I don't know what. Steven:                You just have to show up? Jill:                          I just have to show up. Steven:                And be an actor? Jill:                          And sit there. Exactly. Steven:                I want to do that. I want to show up for a podcast and not do anything else.