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Matt Forbeck is all that and so much more. He grew up in Wisconsin as what he describes as a wimpy kid, too short and not overly healthy. He took to gaming at a pretty early age and has grown to be a game creator, author and award-winning storyteller.   Matt has been designing games now for over 35 years. He tells us how he believes that many of the most successful games today have stories to tell, and he loves to create some of the most successful ones. What I find most intriguing about Matt is that he clearly is absolutely totally happy in his work. For most of Matt's career he has worked for himself and continues today to be an independent freelancer.   Matt and his wife have five children, including a set of quadruplets. The quadruplets are 23 and Matt's oldest son is 28 and is following in his father's footsteps.   During our conversation we touch on interesting topics such as trust and work ethics. I know you will find this episode stimulating and worth listening to more than once.     About the Guest:   Matt Forbeck is an award-winning and New York Times-bestselling author and game designer of over thirty-five novels and countless other books and games. His projects have won a Peabody Award, a Scribe Award, and numerous ENnies and Origins Awards. He is also the president of the Diana Jones Award Foundation, which celebrates excellence in gaming.    Matt has made a living full-time on games and fiction since 1989, when he graduated from the Residential College at the University of Michigan with a degree in Creative Writing. With the exception of a four-year stint as the president of Pinnacle Entertainment Group and a year and a half as the director of the adventure games division of Human Head Studios, he has spent his career as an independent freelancer.   Matt has designed collectible card games, roleplaying games, miniatures games, board games, interactive fiction, interactive audiobooks, games for museum installations, and logic systems for toys. He has directed voiceover work and written short fiction, comic books, novels, screenplays, and video game scripts and stories. His work has been translated into at least 15 languages.   His latest work includes the Marvel Multiverse Role-Playing Game Core Rulebook, the Spider-Verse Expansion, Monster Academy (novels and board game), the Shotguns & Sorcery 5E Sourcebook based on his novels, and the Minecraft: Roll for Adventure game books. He is the father of five, including a set of quadruplets. He lives in Beloit, Wisconsin, with his wife and a rotating cast of college-age children. For more about him and his work, visit Forbeck.com.   Ways to connect with Matt:   Twitter: https://twitter.com/mforbeck Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/forbeck Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/forbeck.com Threads: https://www.threads.net/@mforbeck Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mforbeck/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/forbeck/ Website: https://www.forbeck.com/     About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset today. We get to play games. Well, not really, but we'll try. Our guest is Matt Forbeck, who is an award winning author. He is a game designer and all sorts of other kinds of things that I'm sure he's going to tell us about, and we actually just before we started the the episode, we were talking about how one might explore making more games accessible for blind and persons with other disabilities. It's, it's a challenge, and there, there are a lot of tricks. But anyway, Matt, I want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're here.   Matt Forbeck ** 02:02 Well, thank you, Michael for inviting me and having me on. I appreciate it.   Speaker 1 ** 02:06 I think we're going to have a lot of fun, and I think it'll work out really well. I'm I am sure of that. So why don't we start just out of curiosity, why don't you tell us kind of about the early Matt, growing up?   Matt Forbeck ** 02:18 Uh, well, I grew up. I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I grew up in a little town called Beloit, Wisconsin, which actually live in now, despite having moved away for 13 years at one point, and I had terrible asthma, I was a sick and short kid, and with the advent of medication, I finally started to be healthy when I was around nine, and Part of that, I started getting into playing games, right? Because when you're sick, you do a lot of sitting around rather than running around. So I did a lot of reading and playing games and things like that. I happen to grow up in the part of the world where Dungeons and Dragons was invented, which is in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, about 30 miles from where I live. And because of that I was I started going to conventions and playing games and such, when I was about 12 or 13 years old. I started doing it when I was a little bit older. I started doing it professionally, and started doing it when I was in college. And amazingly enough, even to my own astonishment, I've made a career out of it.   Speaker 1 ** 03:17 Where did you go to college? I went to the University   Matt Forbeck ** 03:21 of Michigan over in Ann Arbor. I had a great time there. There's a wonderful little college, Beloit College, in my hometown here, and most of my family has gone to UW Milwaukee over the years. My parents met at Marquette in Milwaukee, but I wanted to get the heck out of the area, so I went to Michigan, and then found myself coming back as soon as we started having   Speaker 1 ** 03:42 kids well, and of course, I would presume that when you were at the University of Michigan, you rooted for them and against Ohio State. That was   Matt Forbeck ** 03:50 kind of, you know, if you did it the other way around, they back out of town. So, yeah, I was always kind of astonished, though, because having grown up in Wisconsin, where every sports team was a losing team when I was growing up, including the Packers, for decades. You know, we were just happy to be playing. They were more excuse to have beers than they were to cheer on teams. And I went to Michigan where they were, they were angry if the team wasn't up by two touchdowns. You know, at any point, I'm like, You guys are silly. This is we're here for fun.   Speaker 1 ** 04:17 But it is amazing how seriously some people take sports. I remember being in New Zealand helping the Royal New Zealand Foundation for the Blind. Well now 22 years ago, it's 2003 and the America's Cup had just finished before we got there, and in America beat New Zealand, and the people in New Zealand were just irate. They were complaining that the government didn't put enough money into the design of the boat and helping with the with the yacht and all that. It was just amazing how seriously people take it, yeah,   Matt Forbeck ** 04:58 once, I mean, it becomes a part of your. Identity in a lot of ways, right for many people, and I've never had to worry about that too much. I've got other things on my mind, but there you go.   Speaker 1 ** 05:08 Well, I do like it when the Dodgers win, and my wife did her graduate work at USC, and so I like it when the Trojans win, but it's not the end of the world, and you do need to keep it in perspective. I I do wish more people would I know once I delivered a speech in brether County, Kentucky, and I was told that when I started the speech had to end no later than preferably exactly at 6:30pm not a minute later, because it was the night of the NCAA Basketball Championship, and the Kentucky Wildcats were in the championship, and at 630 everyone was going to get up and leave and go home to watch the game. So I ended at 630 and literally, by 631 I timed it. The gym was empty and it was full to start with.   Matt Forbeck ** 06:02 People were probably, you know, counting down on their watches, just to make sure, right?   Speaker 1 ** 06:06 Oh, I'm sure they were. What do you do? It's, it is kind of fun. Well, so why did you decide to get started in games? What? What? What attracted to you, to it as a young person, much less later on?   Matt Forbeck ** 06:21 Well, I was, yeah, I was an awkward kid, kind of nerdy and, you know, glasses and asthma and all that kind of stuff. And games were the kind of thing where, if you didn't know how to interact with people, you could sit down at a table across them and you could practice. You can say, okay, we're all here. We've got this kind of a magic circle around us where we've agreed to take this one silly activity seriously for a short period of time, right? And it may be that you're having fun during that activity, but you know, there's, there's no reason that rolling dice or moving things around on a table should be taken seriously. It's all just for fun, right? But for that moment, you actually just like Las Vegas Exactly, right? When there's money on the line, it's different, but if you're just doing it for grins. You know, it was a good way for me to learn how to interact with people of all sorts and of different ages. And I really enjoyed playing the games, and I really wanted to be a writer, too. And a lot of these things interacted with story at a very basic level. So breaking in as a writer is tough, but it turned out breaking as a game designer, wasn't nearly his stuff, so I started out over there instead, because it was a very young field at the time, right? D and D is now 50 years old, so I've been doing this 35 years, which means I started around professionally and even doing it before that, I started in the period when the game and that industry were only like 10 or 15 years old, so yeah, weren't quite as much competition in those   Speaker 1 ** 07:43 days. I remember some of the early games that I did play, that I could play, were DOS based games, adventure. You're familiar with adventure? Yeah, oh, yeah. Then later, Zork and all that. And I still think those are fun games. And I the reason I like a lot of those kinds of games is they really make you think, which I think most games do, even though the video even the video games and so on, they they help your or can help your reactions, but they're designed by people who do try to make you think,   Matt Forbeck ** 08:15 yeah. I mean, we basically are designing puzzles for people to solve, even if they're story puzzles or graphic puzzles or sound puzzles or whatever, you know, even spatial puzzles. There the idea is to give somebody something fun that is intriguing to play with, then you end up coming with story and after that, because after a while, even the most most exciting mechanics get dull, right? I mean, you start out shooting spaceships, but you can only shoot spaceships for so long, or you start out playing Tetris, and you only put shapes together for so long before it doesn't mean anything that then you start adding in story to give people a reason to keep playing right and a reason to keep going through these things. And I've written a lot of video games over the years, basically with that kind of a philosophy, is give people nuggets of story, give them a plot to work their way through, and reward them for getting through different stages, and they will pretty much follow you through anything. It's amazing.   Michael Hingson ** 09:09 Is that true Dungeons and Dragons too?   Matt Forbeck ** 09:13 It is. All of the stories are less structured there. If you're doing a video game, you know you the team has a lot of control over you. Give the player a limited amount of control to do things, but if you're playing around a table with people, it's more of a cooperative kind of experience, where we're all kind of coming up with a story, the narrator or the Game Master, the Dungeon Master, sets the stage for everything, but then the players have a lot of leeway doing that, and they will always screw things up for you, too. No matter what you think is going to happen, the players will do something different, because they're individuals, and they're all amazing people. That's actually to me, one of the fun things about doing tabletop games is that, you know, the computer can only react in a limited number of ways, whereas a human narrator and actually change things quite drastically and roll. With whatever people come up with, and that makes it tremendous fun.   Speaker 1 ** 10:04 Do you think AI is going to enter into all that and maybe improve some of the   Matt Forbeck ** 10:09 old stuff? It's going to add your end to it, whether it's an ad, it's going to approve it as a large question. Yeah. So I've been ranting about AI quite a bit lately with my friends and family. But, you know, I think the problem with AI, it can be very helpful a lot of ways, but I think it's being oversold. And I think it's especially when it's being oversold for thing, for ways for people to replace writers and creative thinking, Yeah, you know, you're taking the fun out of everything. I mean, the one thing I like to say is if, if you can't be bothered to write this thing that you want to communicate to me, I'm not sure why I should be bothered to read this thing well.   Speaker 1 ** 10:48 And I think that AI will will evolve in whatever way it does. But the fact of the matter is, So do people. And I think that, in fact, people are always going to be necessary to make the process really work? AI can only do and computers can only do so much. I mean, even Ray Kurzweil talks about the singularity when people and computer brains are married, but that still means that you're going to have the human element. So it's not all going to be the computer. And I'm not ready to totally buy into to what Ray says. And I used to work for Ray, so I mean, I know Ray Well, but, but the but the bottom line is, I think that, in fact, people are always going to be able to be kind of the, the mainstay of it, as long as we allow that, if we, if we give AI too much power, then over time, it'll take more power, and that's a problem, but that's up to us to deal with?   Matt Forbeck ** 11:41 No, I totally agree with that. I just think right now, there's a very large faction of people who it's in their economic interest to oversell these things. You know, people are making chips. They're building server farms. A lot of them are being transferred from people are doing blockchain just a few years ago, and they see it as the hot new thing. The difference is that AI actually has a lot of good uses. There's some amazing things will come out of llms and such. But I again, people are over the people are selling this to us. Are often over promising things, right?   Speaker 1 ** 12:11 Yeah, well, they're not only over promising but they're they're really misdirecting people. But the other side of it is that, that, in fact, AI as a concept and as a technology is here, and we have control over how we use it. I've said a couple times on this this podcast, and I've said to others, I remember when I first started hearing about AI, I heard about the the fact that teachers were bemoaning the pack, that kids were writing their papers just using AI and turning them in, and it wasn't always easy to tell whether it was something that was written by AI or was written by the student. And I come from a little bit different view than I think a lot of people do. And my view basically is, let the kids write it if with AI, if that's what they're going to do, but then what the teacher needs to do is to take one period, for example, and give every student in that class the opportunity to come up and defend whatever paper they have. And the real question is, can they defend the paper? Which means, have they really learned the subject, or are they just relying on AI,   Matt Forbeck ** 13:18 yeah, I agree with that. I think the trouble is, a lot of people, children, you know, who are developing their abilities and their morals about this stuff, they use it as just a way to complete the assignment, right? And many of them don't even read what they turn in, right, right? Just know that they've got something here that will so again, if you can't be bothered to read the thing that you manufactured, you're not learning anything about it,   Speaker 1 ** 13:39 which is why, if you are forced to defend it, it's going to become pretty obvious pretty fast, whether you really know it or not. Now, I've used AI on a number of occasions in various ways, but I use it to maybe give me ideas or prepare something that I then modify and shape. And I may even interact with AI a couple of times, but I'm definitely involved with the process all the way down the line, because it still has to be something that I'm responsible for.   Matt Forbeck ** 14:09 I agree. I mean, the whole point of doing these things is for people to connect with each other, right? I want to learn about the ideas you have in your head. I want to see how they jive with ones in my head. But if I'm just getting something that's being spit out by a machine and not you, and not being curated by you at any point, that doesn't seem very useful, right? So if you're the more involved people are in it, the more useful it is.   Speaker 1 ** 14:31 Well, I agree, and you know, I think again, it's a tool, and we have to decide how the tool is going to be used, which is always the way it ought to be. Right?   Matt Forbeck ** 14:42 Exactly, although sometimes it's large corporations deciding,   Speaker 1 ** 14:45 yeah, well, there's that too. Well, individuals,   Matt Forbeck ** 14:49 we get to make our own choices. Though you're right,   Speaker 1 ** 14:51 yes, and should Well, so, so when did you start bringing writing into what you. Did, and make that a really significant part of what you did?   Matt Forbeck ** 15:03 Well, pretty early on, I mean, I started doing one of the first things I did was a gaming zine, which was basically just a print magazine that was like, you know, 32 pages, black and white, about the different tabletop games. So we were writing those in the days, design and writing are very closely linked when it comes to tabletop games and even in video games. The trick of course is that designing a game and writing the rules are actually two separate sets of skills. So one of the first professional gig I ever had during writing was in games was some friends of mine had designed a game for a company called Mayfair games, which went on to do sellers of contain, which is a big, uh, entry level game, and but they needed somebody to write the rules, so they called me over, showed me how to play the game. I took notes and I I wrote it down in an easy to understand, clear way that people had just picked up the box. Could then pick it up and teach themselves how to play, right? So that was early on how I did it. But the neat thing about that is it also taught me to think about game design. I'm like, when I work on games, I think about, who is this game going to be for, and how are we going to teach it to them? Because if they can't learn the game, there's no point of the game at all, right?   Speaker 1 ** 16:18 And and so I'm right? I'm a firm believer that a lot of technical writers don't do a very good job of technical writing, and they write way over people's heads. I remember the first time I had to write, well, actually, I mentioned I worked for Kurzweil. I was involved with a project where Ray Kurzweil had developed his original omniprent optical character recognition system. And I and the National Federation of the Blind created with him a project to put machines around the country so that blind people could use them and give back to Ray by the time we were all done, recommendations as to what needed to go in the final first production model of the machine. So I had to write a training manual to teach people how to use it. And I wrote this manual, and I was always of the opinion that it had to be pretty readable and usable by people who didn't have a lot of technical knowledge. So I wrote the manual, gave it to somebody to read, and said, Follow the directions and and work with the machine and all that. And they did, and I was in another room, and they were playing with it for a couple of hours, and they came in and they said, I'm having a problem. I can't figure out how to turn off the machine. And it turns out that I had forgotten to put in the instruction to turn off the machine. And it wasn't totally trivial. There were steps you had to go through. It was a Data General Nova two computer, and you had to turn it off the right way and the whole system off the appropriate way, or you could, could mess everything up. So there was a process to doing it. So I wrote it in, and it was fine. But, you know, I've always been a believer that the textbooks are way too boring. Having a master's degree in physics, I am of the opinion that physics textbook writers, who are usually pretty famous and knowledgeable scientists, ought to include with all the text and the technical stuff they want to put in, they should put in stories about what they did in you bring people in, draw them into the whole thing, rather than just spewing out a bunch of technical facts.   Matt Forbeck ** 18:23 No, I agree. My my first calculus professor was a guy who actually explained how Newton and Leipzig actually came up with calculus, and then he would, you know, draw everything on the board and turn around say, and isn't that amazing? And you were, like, just absolutely enamored with the idea of how they had done these things, right? Yeah. And what you're doing there, when you, when you, when you give the instructions to somebody and say, try this out. That's a very big part of gaming, actually, because what we do this thing called play testing, where we take something before it's ready to be shown to the public, and we give it to other people and say, try this out. See how it works. Let me know when you're starting out of your first playing you play with like your family and friends and people will be brutal with you and give you hints about how you can improve things. But then, even when you get to the rules you're you send those out cold to people, or, you know, if you're a big company, you watch them through a two way mirror or one way mirror, and say, Hey, let's see how they react to everything. And then you take notes, and you try to make it better every time you go through. And when I'm teaching people to play games at conventions, for instance, I will often say to them, please ask questions if you don't understand anything, that doesn't mean you're dumb. Means I didn't explain it well enough, right? And my job as a person writing these rules is to explain it as well as I humanly can so it can't be misconstrued or misinterpreted. Now that doesn't mean you can correct everything. Somebody's always got like, Oh, I missed that sentence, you know, whatever. But you do that over and over so you can try to make it as clear and concise as possible, yeah.   Speaker 1 ** 19:52 Well, you have somewhat of a built in group of people to help if you let your kids get involved. Involved. So how old are your kids?   Matt Forbeck ** 20:03 My eldest is 26 he'll be 27 in January. Marty is a game designer, actually works with me on the marble tabletop role playing game, and we have a new book coming out, game book for Minecraft, called Minecraft role for adventure, that's coming out on July 7, I think, and the rest of the kids are 23 we have 423 year olds instead of quadruplets, one of whom is actually going into game design as well, and the other says two are still in college, and one has moved off to the work in the woods. He's a very woodsy boy. Likes to do environmental education with people.   Speaker 1 ** 20:39 Wow. Well, see, but you, but you still have a good group of potential game designers or game critics anyway.   Matt Forbeck ** 20:47 Oh, we all play games together. We have a great time. We do weekly game nights here. Sometimes they're movie nights, sometimes they're just pizza nights, but we shoot for game and pizza   Speaker 1 ** 20:56 if we get lucky and your wife goes along with all this too.   Matt Forbeck ** 21:00 She does. She doesn't go to the game conventions and stuff as much, and she's not as hardcore of a gamer, but she likes hanging out with the kids and doing everything with us. We have a great time.   Speaker 1 ** 21:10 That's that's pretty cool. Well, you, you've got, you've got to build an audience of some sorts, and that's neat that a couple of them are involved in it as well. So they really like what dad does, yeah,   Matt Forbeck ** 21:23 yeah. We, I started taking them each to conventions, which are, you know, large gatherings gamers in real life. The biggest one is Gen Con, which happens in Indianapolis in August. And last year, I think, we had 72,000 people show up. And I started taking the kids when they were 10 years old, and my wife would come up with them then. And, you know, 10 years old is a lot. 72,000 people is a lot for a 10 year old. So she can mention one day and then to a park the next day, you know, decompress a lot, and then come back on Saturday and then leave on Sunday or whatever, so that we didn't have them too over stimulated. But they really grown to love it. I mean, it's part of our annual family traditions in the summer, is to go do these conventions and play lots of games with each other and meet new people too well.   Speaker 1 ** 22:08 And I like the way you put it. The games are really puzzles, which they are, and it's and it's fun. If people would approach it that way, no matter what the game is, they're, they're aspects of puzzles involved in most everything that has to do with the game, and that's what makes it so fun.   Matt Forbeck ** 22:25 Exactly, no. The interesting thing is, when you're playing with other people, the other people are changing the puzzles from their end that you have to solve on your end. And sometimes the puzzle is, how do I beat this person, or how do I defeat their strategy, or how do I make an alliance with somebody else so we can win? And it's really always very intriguing. There's so many different types of games. There's nowadays, there's like something like 50 to 100 new board games that come out and tabletop games every month, right? It's just like a fire hose. It's almost like, when I was starting out as a novelist, I would go into Barnes and Noble or borders and go, Oh my gosh, look at all these books. And now I do the same thing about games. It's just, it's incredible. Nobody, no one person, could keep up with all of them.   Speaker 1 ** 23:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, way too much. I would love to explore playing more video games, but I don't. I don't own a lot of the technology, although I'm sure that there are any number of them that can be played on a computer, but we'll have to really explore and see if we can find some. I know there are some that are accessible for like blind people with screen readers. I know that some people have written a few, which is kind of cool. Yeah.   Matt Forbeck ** 23:36 And Xbox has got a new controller out that's meant to be accessible to large amount of people. I'm not sure, all the different aspects of it, but that's done pretty well, too   Speaker 1 ** 23:44 well. And again, it comes down to making it a priority to put all of that stuff in. It's not like it's magic to do. It's just that people don't know how to do it. But I also think something else, which is, if you really make the products more usable, let's say by blind people with screen readers. You may be especially if it's well promoted, surprised. I'm not you necessarily, but people might well be surprised as to how many others might take advantage of it so that they don't necessarily have to look at the screen, or that you're forced to listen as well as look in order to figure out what's going on or take actions.   Matt Forbeck ** 24:29 No, definitely true. It's, you know, people audio books are a massive thing nowadays. Games tend to fall further behind that way, but it's become this incredible thing that obviously, blind people get a great use out of but my wife is addicted to audio books now. She actually does more of those than she does reading. I mean, I technically think they're both reading. It's just one's done with yours and one's done with your eyes.   Speaker 1 ** 24:51 Yeah, there's but there's some stuff, whether you're using your eyes or your fingers and reading braille, there's something about reading a book that way that's. Even so a little bit different than listening to it. Yeah, and there's you're drawn in in some ways, in terms of actually reading that you're not necessarily as drawn into when you're when you're listening to it, but still, really good audio book readers can help draw you in, which is important, too,   Matt Forbeck ** 25:19 very much. So yeah, I think the main difference for reading, whether it's, you know, again, through Braille or through traditional print, is that you can stop. You can do it at your own pace. You can go back and look at things very easily, or read or check things, read things very easily. That you know, if you're reading, if you're doing an audio book, it just goes on and it's straight on, boom, boom, boom, pace. You can say, Wait, I'm going to put this down here. What was that thing? I remember back there? It was like three pages back, but it's really important, let me go check that right.   Speaker 1 ** 25:50 There are some technologies that allow blind people and low vision people and others, like people with dyslexia to use an audio book and actually be able to navigate two different sections of it. But it's not something that is generally available to the whole world, at least to the level that it is for blind people. But I can, I can use readers that are made to be able to accept the different formats and go back and look at pages, go back and look at headings, and even create bookmarks to bookmark things like you would normally by using a pen or a pencil or something like that. So there are ways to do some of that. So again, the technology is making strides.   Matt Forbeck ** 26:37 That's fantastic. Actually, it's wonderful. Just, yeah, it's great. I actually, you know, I lost half the vision of my right eye during back through an autoimmune disease about 13 years ago, and I've always had poor vision. So I'm a big fan of any kind of way to make things easier,   Speaker 1 ** 26:54 like that. Well, there, there are things that that are available. It's pretty amazing. A guy named George curser. Curser created a lot of it years ago, and it's called the DAISY format. And the whole idea behind it is that you can actually create a book. In addition to the audio tracks, there are XML files that literally give you the ability to move and navigate around the book, depending on how it's created, as final level as you choose.   Matt Forbeck ** 27:25 Oh, that's That's amazing. That's fantastic. I'm actually really glad to hear that.   Speaker 1 ** 27:28 So, yeah, it is kind of fun. So there's a lot of technology that's that's doing a lot of different sorts of things and and it helps. But um, so for you, in terms of dealing with, with the games, you've, you've written games, but you've, you've actually written some novels as well, right?   Matt Forbeck ** 27:50 Yeah, I've got like 30, it depends on how you count a novel, right? Okay, like some of my books are to pick a path books, right? Choose Your Own Adventure type stuff. So, but I've got 35 traditional novels written or more, I guess, now, I lost track a while ago, and probably another dozen of these interactive fiction books as well. So, and I like doing those. I've also written things like Marvel encyclopedias and Avengers encyclopedias and all sorts of different pop culture books. And, you know, I like playing in different worlds. I like writing science fiction, fantasy, even modern stuff. And most of it, for me comes down to telling stories, right? If you like to tell stories, you can tell stories through a game or book or audio play or a TV show or a comic, or I've done, you know, interactive museum, games and displays, things like that. The main thing is really a story. I mean, if you're comfortable sitting down at a bar and having a drink with somebody, doesn't have to be alcohol, just sitting down and telling stories with each other for fun. That's where the core of it all is really   Speaker 1 ** 28:58 right. Tell me about interactive fiction book.   Matt Forbeck ** 29:01 Sure, a lot of these are basically just done, like flow charts, kind of like the original Zork and adventure that you were talking about where you I actually, I was just last year, I brought rose Estes, who's the inventor of the endless quest books, which were a cross between Dungeons and Dragons, and choose your own adventure books. She would write the whole thing out page by page on a typewriter, and then, in order to shuffle the pages around so that people wouldn't just read straight through them, she'd throw them all up in the air and then just put them back in whatever order they happen to be. But essentially, you read a section of a book, you get to the end, and it gives you a choice. Would you like to go this way or that way? Would you like to go beat up this goblin? Or would you like to make friends with this warrior over here? If you want to do one of these things, go do page xx, right? Got it. So then you turn to that page and you go, boom, some, actually, some of the endless quest books I know were turned into audio books, right? And I actually, I. Um, oddly, have written a couple Dungeons and Dragons, interactive books, audio books that have only been released in French, right? Because there's a company called Looney l, u n, i, i that has this little handheld device that's for children, that has an A and a B button and a volume button. And you, you know, you get to the point that says, if you want to do this, push a, if you want to do that, push B, and the kids can go through these interactive stories and and, you know, there's ones for clue and Dungeons and Dragons and all sorts of other licenses, and some original stories too. But that way there's usually, like, you know, it depends on the story, but sometimes there's, like, 10 to 20 different endings. A lot of them are like, Oh no, you've been killed. Go back to where you started, right? And if you're lucky, the longer ones are, the more fun ones. And you get to, you know, save the kingdom and rescue the people and make good friends and all that good stuff,   Michael Hingson ** 30:59 yeah, and maybe fall in love with the princess or Prince.   Matt Forbeck ** 31:02 Yeah, exactly right. It all depends on the genre and what you're working in. But the idea is to give people some some choices over how they want the story to go. You're like, Well, do you want to investigate this dark, cold closet over here, or would you rather go running outside and playing around? And some of them can seem like very innocent choices, and other ones are like, well, uh, 10 ton weight just fell on. You go back to the last thing.   Speaker 1 ** 31:23 So that dark hole closet can be a good thing or a bad thing,   Matt Forbeck ** 31:28 exactly. And the trick is to make the deaths the bad endings, actually just as entertaining as anything else, right? And then people go, Well, I got beat, and I gotta go back and try that again. So yeah, if they just get the good ending all the way through, they often won't go back and look at all the terrible ones. So it's fun to trick them sometimes and have them go into terrible spots. And I like to put this one page in books too that sometimes says, How did you get here? You've been cheating there. This book, this page, is actually not led to from any other part of the book. You're just flipping   Speaker 1 ** 31:59 through. Cheater, cheater book, do what you   Matt Forbeck ** 32:04 want, but if you want to play it the right way, go back.   Speaker 1 ** 32:07 Kid, if you want to play the game. Yeah, exactly. On the other hand, some people are nosy.   Matt Forbeck ** 32:15 You know, I was always a kid who would poke around and wanted to see how things were, so I'm sure I would have found that myself but absolutely related, you know,   Speaker 1 ** 32:23 yeah, I had a general science teacher who brought in a test one day, and he gave it to everyone. And so he came over to me because it was, it was a printed test. He said, Well, I'm not going to give you the test, because the first thing it says is, read all the instructions, read, read the test through before you pass it, before you take it. And he said, most people won't do that. And he said, I know you would. And the last question on the test is answer, only question one.   Matt Forbeck ** 32:55 That's great. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah,   Speaker 1 ** 32:57 that was cute. And he said, I know that. I that there's no way you would, would would fall for that, because you would say, Okay, let's read the instructions and then read the whole test. That's what it said. And the instruction were, just read the whole test before you start. And people won't do that.   Matt Forbeck ** 33:13 No, they'll go through, take the whole thing. They get there and go, oh, did I get there? Was a, there's a game publisher. I think it was Steve Jackson Games, when they were looking for people, write for them, or design stuff for them, or submit stuff to them, would have something toward the end of the instructions that would say, put like a the letter seven, or put seven a on page one right, and that way they would know if you had read the instructions, if you hadn't bothered to Read the instructions, they wouldn't bother reading anything else.   Speaker 1 ** 33:42 Yeah, which is fair, because the a little harsh, well, but, but, you know, we often don't learn enough to pay attention to details. I know that when I was taking physics in college, that was stressed so often it isn't enough to get the numbers right. If you don't get the units right as well. Then you're, you're not really paying attention to the details. And paying attention to the details is so important.   Matt Forbeck ** 34:07 That's how they crash from those Mars rovers, wasn't it? They somebody messed up the units, but going back and forth between metric and, yeah, and Imperial and, well, you know, it cost somebody a lot of money at one point. Yeah. Yeah. What do you   Speaker 1 ** 34:21 this is kind of the way it goes. Well, tell me, yeah. Well, they do matter, no matter what people think, sometimes they do matter. Well, tell me about the Diana Jones award. First of all, of course, the logical question for many people is, who is Diana Jones? Yeah, Diana Jones doesn't exist, right? That's There you go. She's part game somewhere? No, no, it doesn't be in a game somewhere.   Matt Forbeck ** 34:43 Then now there's actually an author named Diana Wynne Jones, who's written some amazing fantasy stories, including Howell's Moving Castle, which has turned into a wonderful anime movie, but it has nothing to do with her or any other person. Because originally, the Diana Jones award came about. Because a friend of mine, James Wallace, had somehow stumbled across a trophy that fell into his hands, and it was a pub trivia trophy that used to be used between two different gaming companies in the UK, and one of those was TSR, UK, the United Kingdom department. And at one point, the company had laid off everybody in that division just say, Okay, we're closing it all down. So the guys went and burned a lot of the stuff that they had, including a copy of the Indiana Jones role playing game, and the only part of the logo that was left said Diana Jones. And for some reason, they put this in a in a fiberglass or Plexiglas pyramid, put it on a base, a wooden base, and it said the Diana Jones award trophy, right? And this was the trophy that they used they passed back and forth as a joke for their pub trivia contest. Fell into James's hands, and he decided, You know what, we're going to give this out for the most excellent thing in gaming every year. And we've now done this. This will be 25 years this summer. We do it at the Wednesday night before Gen Con, which starts on Thursday, usually at the end of July or early August. And as part of that, actually, about five years ago, we started, one of the guys suggested we should do something called the emerging designers program. So we actually became a 501, c3, so we could take donations. And now we take four designers every year, fly them in from wherever they happen to be in the world, and put them up in a hotel, give them a badge the show, introduce them to everybody, give them an honorarium so they can afford to skip work for a week and try to help launch their careers. I mean, these are people that are in the first three years of their design careers, and we try to work mostly with marginalized or et cetera, people who need a little bit more representation in the industry too. Although we can select anybody, and it's been really well received, it's been amazing. And there's a group called the bundle of holding which sells tabletop role playing game PDFs, and they've donated 10s of 1000s of dollars every year for us to be able to do this. And it's kind of funny, because I never thought I'd be end up running a nonprofit, but here I'm just the guy who writes checks to the different to the emerging designer program. Folks are much more tied into that community that I am. But one of the real reasons I wanted to do something like that or be involved with it, because if you wander around with these conventions and you notice that it starts getting very gray after a while, right? It's you're like, oh, there's no new people coming in. It's all older people. I we didn't I didn't want us to all end up as like the Grandpa, grandpa doing the HO model railroad stuff in the basement, right? This dying hobby that only people in their 60s and 70s care about. So bringing in fresh people, fresh voices, I think, is very important, and hopefully we're doing some good with that. It's been a lot of fun either way.   Speaker 1 ** 37:59 Well, I have you had some success with it? Yeah, we've   Matt Forbeck ** 38:02 had, well, let's see. I think we've got like 14 people. We've brought in some have already gone on to do some amazing things. I mean, it's only been a few years, so it's hard to tell if they're gonna be legends in their time, but again, having them as models for other people to look at and say, Oh, maybe I could do that. That's been a great thing. The other well, coincidentally, Dungeons and Dragons is having its best 10 year streak in its history right now, and probably is the best selling it's ever been. So coinciding with that, we've seen a lot more diversity and a lot more people showing up to these wonderful conventions and playing these kinds of games. There's also been an advent of this thing called actual play, which is the biggest one, is a group called Critical Role, which is a whole bunch of voice actors who do different cartoons and video games and such, and they play D and D with each other, and then they record the games, and they produce them on YouTube and for podcasts. And these guys are amazing. There's a couple of other ones too, like dimension 20 and glass cannon, the critical role guys actually sold out a live performance at Wembley Arena last summer. Wow. And dimension. Dimension 20 sold out Madison Square Garden. I'm like, if you'd have told me 20 years ago that you know you could sell out an entire rock stadium to have people watch you play Dungeons and Dragons, I would have laughed. I mean, there's no way it would have been possible. But now, you know, people are very much interested in this. It's kind of wild, and it's, it's fun to be a part of that. At some level,   Speaker 1 ** 39:31 how does the audience get drawn in to something like that? Because they are watching it, but there must be something that draws them in.   Matt Forbeck ** 39:39 Yeah, part of it is that you have some really skilled some actors are very funny, very traumatic and very skilled at improvisation, right? So the the dungeon master or Game Master will sit there and present them with an idea or whatever. They come up each with their own characters. They put them in wonderful, strong voices. They kind of inhabit the roles in a way that an actor. A really top level actor would, as opposed to just, you know, me sitting around a table with my friends. And because of that, they become compelling, right? My Marty and my his wife and I were actually at a convention in Columbus, Ohio last weekend, and this group called the McElroy family, actually, they do my brother, my brother and me, which is a hit podcast, but they also do an actual play podcast called The Adventure zone, where they just play different games. And they are so funny. These guys are just some of the best comedians you'll ever hear. And so them playing, they actually played our Marvel game for a five game session, or a five podcast session, or whatever, and it was just stunningly fun to listen to. People are really talented mess around with something that we built right it's very edifying to see people enjoying something that you worked on.   Speaker 1 ** 40:51 Do you find that the audiences get drawn in and they're actually sort of playing the game along, or as well? And may disagree with what some of the choices are that people make?   Matt Forbeck ** 41:02 Oh, sure. But I mean, if the choices are made from a point of the character that's been expressed, that people are following along and they they already like the character, they might go, Oh, those mean, you know that guy, there are some characters they love to hate. There are some people they're they're angry at whatever, but they always really appreciate the actors. I mean, the actors have become celebrities in their own right. They've they sell millions of dollars for the comic books and animated TV shows and all these amazing things affiliated with their actual play stuff. And it's, I think it, part of it is because, it's because it makes the games more accessible. Some people are intimidated by these games. So it's not really, you know, from a from a physical disability kind of point. It's more of a it makes it more accessible for people to be nervous, to try these things on their own, or don't really quite get how they work. They can just sit down and pop up YouTube or their podcast program and listen into people doing a really good job at it. The unfortunate problem is that the converse of that is, when you're watching somebody do that good of a job at it, it's actually hard to live up to that right. Most people who play these games are just having fun with their friends around a table. They're not performing for, you know, 10s of 1000s, if not hundreds of 1000s of people. So there's a different level of investments, really, at that point, and some people have been known to be cowed by that, by that, or daunted by that.   Speaker 1 ** 42:28 You work on a lot of different things. I gather at the same time. What do you what do you think about that? How do you like working on a lot of different projects? Or do you, do you more focus on one thing, but you've got several things going on, so you'll work on something for one day, then you'll work on something else. Or how do you how do you do it all?   Matt Forbeck ** 42:47 That's a good question. I would love to just focus on one thing at a time. Now, you know the trouble is, I'm a freelancer, right? I don't set my I don't always get to say what I want to work on. I haven't had to look for work for over a decade, though, which has been great. People just come to me with interesting things. The trouble is that when you're a freelancer, people come in and say, Hey, let's work on this. I'm like, Yeah, tell me when you're ready to start. And you do that with like, 10 different people, and they don't always line up in sequence properly, right? Yeah? Sometimes somebody comes up and says, I need this now. And I'm like, Yeah, but I'm in the middle of this other thing right now, so I need to not sleep for another week, and I need to try to figure out how I'm going to put this in between other things I'm working on. And I have noticed that after I finish a project, it takes me about a day or three to just jump track. So if I really need to, I can do little bits here and there, but to just fully get my brain wrapped around everything I'm doing for a very complex project, takes me a day or three to say, Okay, now I'm ready to start this next thing and really devote myself to it. Otherwise, it's more juggling right now, having had all those kids, probably has prepared me to juggle. So I'm used to having short attention span theater going on in my head at all times, because I have to jump back and forth between things. But it is. It's a challenge, and it's a skill that you develop over time where you're like, Okay, I can put this one away here and work on this one here for a little while. Like today, yeah, I knew I was going to talk to you, Michael. So I actually had lined up another podcast that a friend of mine wanted to do with me. I said, Let's do them on the same day. This way I'm not interrupting my workflow so much, right? Makes sense? You know, try to gang those all together and the other little fiddly bits I need to do for administration on a day. Then I'm like, Okay, this is not a day off. It's just a day off from that kind of work. It's a day I'm focusing on this aspect of what I do.   Speaker 1 ** 44:39 But that's a actually brings up an interesting point. Do you ever take a day off or do what do you do when you're when you deciding that you don't want to do gaming for a while?   Matt Forbeck ** 44:49 Yeah, I actually kind of terrible. But you know, you know, my wife will often drag me off to places and say we're going to go do this when. Yes, we have a family cabin up north in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan that we go to. Although, you know, my habit there is, I'll work. I'll start work in the morning on a laptop or iPad until my battery runs out, and then I shut it down, put on a charger, and then I go out and swim with everybody for the rest of the day. So it depends if I'm on a deadline or not, and I'm almost always on a deadline, but there are times I could take weekends off there. One of the great things of being a freelancer, though, and especially being a stay at home father, which is part of what I was doing, is that when things come up during the middle of the week, I could say, oh, sure, I can be flexible, right? The trouble is that I have to pay for that time on my weekends, a lot of the time, so I don't really get a lot of weekends off. On the other hand, I'm not I'm not committed to having to work every day of the week either, right? I need to go do doctor appointments, or we want to run off to Great America and do a theme park or whatever. I can do that anytime I want to. It's just I have to make up the time at other points during the week. Does your wife work? She does. She was a school social worker for many years, and now as a recruiter at a local technical college here called Black Hawk tech. And she's amazing, right? She's fantastic. She has always liked working. The only time she stopped working was for about a year and a half after the quads were born, I guess, two years. And that was the only time I ever took a job working with anybody else, because we needed the health insurance, so I we always got it through her. And then when she said, Well, I'm gonna stay home with the kids, which made tons of sense, I went and took a job with a video game company up in Madison, Wisconsin called Human Head Studios for about 18 months, 20 months. And then the moment she told me she was thinking about going back to work, I'm like, Oh, good, I can we can Cobra for 18 months and pay for our own health insurance, and I'm giving notice this week, and, you know, we'll work. I left on good terms that everybody. I still talk to them and whatever, but I very much like being my own boss and not worrying about what other people are going to tell me to do. I work with a lot of clients, which means I have a lot of people telling me what to do. But you know, if it turns out bad, I can walk I can walk away. If it turns out good, hopefully we get to do things together, like the the gig I've been working out with Marvel, I guess, has been going on for like, four years now, with pretty continuous work with them, and I'm enjoying every bit of it. They're great people to work with.   Speaker 1 ** 47:19 Now, you were the president of Pinnacle entertainment for a little while. Tell me about that.   Matt Forbeck ** 47:24 I was, that was a small gaming company I started up with a guy named Shane Hensley, who was another tabletop game designer. Our big game was something called Dead Lands, which was a Western zombie cowboy kind of thing. Oh gosh, Western horror. So. And it was pretty much a, you know, nobody was doing Western horror back in those days. So we thought, Oh, this is safe. And to give you an example of parallel development, we were six months into development, and another company, White Wolf, which had done a game called Vampire the Masquerade, announced that they were doing Werewolf the Wild West. And we're like, you gotta be kidding me, right? Fortunately, we still released our game three months before there, so everybody thought we were copying them, rather than the other way around. But the fact is, we were. We both just came up with the idea independently. Right? When you work in creative fields, often, if somebody wants to show you something, you say, I'd like to look at you have to sign a waiver first that says, If I do something like this, you can't sue me. And it's not because people are trying to rip you off. It's because they may actually be working on something similar, right already. Because we're all, you know, swimming in the same cultural pool. We're all, you know, eating the same cultural soup. We're watching or watching movies, playing games, doing whatever, reading books. And so it's not unusual that some of us will come up with similar ideas   Speaker 1 ** 48:45 well, and it's not surprising that from time to time, two different people are going to come up with somewhat similar concepts. So that's not a big surprise, exactly, but   Matt Forbeck ** 48:56 you don't want people getting litigious over it, like no, you don't be accused of ripping anybody off, right? You just want to be as upfront with people. With people. And I don't think I've ever actually seen somebody, at least in gaming, in tabletop games, rip somebody off like that. Just say, Oh, that's a great idea. We're stealing that it's easier to pay somebody to just say, Yes, that's a great idea. We'll buy that from you, right? As opposed to trying to do something unseemly and criminal?   Speaker 1 ** 49:24 Yeah, there's, there's something to be said for having real honor in the whole process.   Matt Forbeck ** 49:30 Yeah, I agree, and I think that especially if you're trying to have a long term career in any field that follows you, if you get a reputation for being somebody who plays dirty, nobody wants to play with you in the future, and I've always found it to be best to be as straightforward with people and honest, especially professionally, just to make sure that they trust you. Before my quadruplets were born, you could have set your clock by me as a freelancer, I never missed a deadline ever, and since then, I've probably it's a. Rare earth thing to make a deadline, because, you know, family stuff happens, and you know, there's just no controlling it. But whenever something does happen, I just call people up and say, hey, look, it's going to be another week or two. This is what's going on. And because I have a good reputation for completing the job and finishing quality work, they don't mind. They're like, Oh, okay, I know you're going to get this to me. You're not just trying to dodge me. So they're willing to wait a couple weeks if they need to, to get to get what they need. And I'm very grateful to them for that. And I'm the worst thing somebody can do is what do, what I call turtling down, which is when it's like, Oh no, I'm late. And then, you know, they cut off all communication. They don't talk to anybody. They just kind of try to disappear as much as they can. And we all, all adults, understand that things happen in your life. It's okay. We can cut you some slack every now and then, but if you just try to vanish, that's not even possible.   Speaker 1 ** 50:54 No, there's a lot to be there's a lot to be said for trust and and it's so important, I think in most anything that we do, and I have found in so many ways, that there's nothing better than really earning someone's trust, and they earning your trust. And it's something I talk about in my books, like when live with a guide dog, live like a guide dog, which is my newest book, it talks a lot about trust, because when you're working with a guide dog, you're really building a team, and each member of the team has a specific job to do, and as the leader of the team, it's my job to also learn how to communicate with the other member of the team. But the reality is, it still comes down to ultimately, trust, because I and I do believe that dogs do love unconditionally, but they don't trust unconditionally. But the difference between dogs and people is that people that dogs are much more open to trust, for the most part, unless they've just been totally traumatized by something, but they're more open to trust. And there's a lesson to be learned there. No, I   Matt Forbeck ** 52:03 absolutely agree with that. I think, I think most people in general are trustworthy, but as you say, a lot of them have trauma in their past that makes it difficult for them to open themselves up to that. So that's actually a pretty wonderful way to think about things. I like that,   Speaker 1 ** 52:17 yeah, well, I think that trust is is so important. And I know when I worked in professional sales, it was all about trust. In fact, whenever I interviewed people for jobs, I always asked them what they were going to sell, and only one person ever answered me the way. I really hoped that everybody would answer when I said, So, tell me what you're going to be selling. He said, The only thing I have to really sell is myself and my word, and nothing else. It really matters. Everything else is stuff. What you have is stuff. It's me selling myself and my word, and you have to, and I would expect you to back me up. And my response was, as long as you're being trustworthy, then you're going to get my backing all the way. And he was my most successful salesperson for a lot of reasons, because he got it.   Matt Forbeck ** 53:08 Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, I mean, I've worked with people sourcing different things too, for sales, and if you can rely on somebody to, especially when things go wrong, to come through for you. And to be honest with you about, you know, there's really that's a hard thing to find. If you can't depend on your sources for what you're building, then you can't depend on anything. Everything else falls apart.   Speaker 1 ** 53:29 It does. You've got to start at the beginning. And if people can't earn your trust, and you earn theirs, there's a problem somewhere, and it's just not going to work.   Matt Forbeck ** 53:39 Yeah, I just generally think people are decent and want to help. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've had issues. Car breaks down the road in Wisconsin. Here, if somebody's car goes in the ditch, everybody stops and just hauls them out. It's what you do when the quads were born, my stepmother came up with a sign up sheet, a booklet that she actually had spiral bound, that people could sign up every three three hours to help come over and feed and bathe, diaper, whatever the kids and we had 30 to 35 volunteers coming in every week. Wow, to help us out with that was amazing, right? They just each pick slots, feeding slots, and come in and help us out. I had to take the 2am feeding, and my wife had to take the 5am feeding by ourselves. But the rest of the week we had lots and lots of help, and we were those kids became the surrogate grandchildren for, you know, 30 to 35 women and couples really, around the entire area, and it was fantastic. Probably couldn't have survived   Speaker 1 ** 54:38 without it. And the other part about it is that all those volunteers loved it, because you all appreciated each other, and it was always all about helping and assisting.   Matt Forbeck ** 54:48 No, we appreciate them greatly. But you know every most of them, like 99% of them, whatever were women, 95 women who are ready for grandchildren and didn't have them. Had grandchildren, and they weren't in the area, right? And they had that, that love they wanted to share, and they just loved the opportunity to do it. It was, I'm choking up here talking about such a great time for us in   Speaker 1 ** 55:11 that way. Now I'm assuming today, nobody has to do diaper duty with the quads, right?   Matt Forbeck ** 55:16 Not until they have their own kids. Just checking, just checking, thankfully, think we're that is long in our past,   Speaker 1 ** 55:23 is it? Is it coming fairly soon for anybody in the future?   Matt Forbeck ** 55:27 Oh, I don't know. That's really entirely up to them. We would love to have grandchildren, but you know, it all comes in its own time. They're not doing no well. I, one of my sons is married, so it's possible, right? And one of my other sons has a long term girlfriend, so that's possible, but, you know, who knows? Hopefully they're they have them when they're ready. I always say, if you have kids and you want them, that's great. If you have, if you don't have kids and you don't want them, that's great. It's when you cross the two things that,   Speaker 1 ** 55:57 yeah, trouble, yeah, that's that is, that is a problem. But you really like working with yourself. You love the entre

On this episode of Highway to Hoover, Joe Healy and Mark Etheridge react to their recent interviews with LSU's Jay Johnson and Mississippi State's Brian O'Connor before previewing fall ball across the SEC.00:00 Welcome and Episode Overview01:23 Sponsorship Shoutout02:44 Jay Johnson Interview Insights12:51 Brian O'Connor Interview Insights20:56 2025 Season Recap and 2026 Projections28:35 Kentucky's Pitching Potential32:33 Tennessee's Transfer Class33:06 Texas' Strong Roster34:01 Fall Plans and Team Visits34:49 Arkansas' Competitive Fall36:54 Missouri's Pitching and Offense39:31 South Carolina and Florida Previews41:23 Auburn's Newcomers42:01 October Weekend Plans44:58 Mississippi State and Florida State in Pensacola46:36 Georgia and LSU Previews48:50 Conclusion and Listener AppreciationHighway To Hoover is brought to you by Academy Sports + Outdoors—your go-to destination for everything you need this baseball season. Whether you're gearing up for game day or sharpening your skills in the offseason, Academy has the bats, gloves, cleats, protective gear, training equipment, and apparel to help you bring it home for less. With everyday low prices and a huge selection of top brands like Easton, Rawlings, and Wilson, Academy makes it easy to step up to the plate with confidence. Shop in-store or online at Academy.com and get ready to play ball!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Alabama Crimson Tide defeated the ULM Warhawks in record fashion Saturday night. Alabama Football was dominant in all aspects. What Coach Kalen DeBoer and Alabama players said after the win. Did we learn anything from the Alabama win? The Auburn Tigers won in record fashion of their own. Auburn Football completely throttled Ball State, giving up just 68 yards in the win. Hugh Freeze and the Auburn players tell you their thoughts on the win, we'll get yours as well. The Florida Gators were upset 18-16 by The South Florida Bulls. Florida Football head coach Billy Napier is on the hottest of seats after the loss. The first SEC game of the season goes to the Ole Miss Rebels. Ole Miss Football beat The Kentucky Wildcats 30-23. PLUS, Tyler's Viewing Menu presented by Michelson Laser Vision! FOLLOW TNR ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/c-7759604 FOLLOW TNR ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/7zlofzLZht7dYxjNcBNpWN FOLLOW TNR ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-next-round/id1797862560 WEBSITE: https://nextroundlive.com/ MOBILE APP: https://nextroundlive.com/the-ne.... SHOP THE NEXT ROUND STORE: https://nextround.store/ Like TNR on Facebook: / nextroundlive Follow TNR on Twitter: / nextroundlive Follow TNR on Instagram: / nextroundlive Follow everyone from the show on Twitter: Jim Dunaway: / jimdunaway Ryan Brown: / ryanbrownlive Lance Taylor: / thelancetaylor Scott Forester: / scottforestertv Tyler Johns: /TylerJohnsTNR Sponsor the show: sales@nextroundlive.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Take an early-semester road trip to Profitville! Join Seth Woolcock, Scott Bogman and Terrell Furman Jr. for their 2025 College Football Week 2 picks and predictions! Do the Baylor Bears (+2.5) stomp out the #17 SMU Mustangs' postseason hopes? Can the Vanderbilt Commodores (+1.5) kick-start another successful season with a road win against the Virginia Tech Hokies? Plus, will the #12 Arizona State Sun Devils' (+6.5) growth be on full display against the Mississippi State Bulldogs? The Pros pack their bags in a quest to build their bankrolls! Timestamps: Introduction - 0:00:00Hard Rock Bet - 0:04:53Baylor Bears vs. #17 SMU Mustangs - 0:05:49Iowa Hawkeyes vs. #16 Iowa State Cyclones - 0:09:27#11 Illinois Fighting Illini vs. Duke Blue Devils - 0:13:48BettingPros App - 0:18:15Virginia Cavaliers vs. North Carolina State Wolfpack - 0:19:00#20 Ole Miss Rebels vs. Kentucky Wildcats - 0:22:52Kansas Jayhawks vs. Missouri Tigers - 0:29:20South Florida Bulls vs. #13 Florida Gators - 0:33:43#15 Michigan Wolverines vs. #18 Oklahoma Sooners - 0:37:45Autographed Alvin Kamara New Orleans Saints Helmer Giveaway - 0:45:11Vanderbilt Commodores vs. Virginia Tech Hokies - 0:45:58#12 Arizona State Sun Devils vs. Mississippi State Bulldogs - 0:50:27Best Bets - 0:55:30Outro - 0:56:14 Helpful Links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros App⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Make winning bets with advice and picks from top sports betting experts. The BettingPros app puts consensus and expert-driven sports betting advice at your fingertips to help you pinpoint the best odds and make winning bets. Download it today on the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠App Store⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Google Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Looking to up your game in sports betting? Join our exclusive sports betting Discord community at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/chat⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Not only can you connect with expert handicappers who provide free picks for NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, player props, live betting, and more, but now you can also participate in our weekly community picks. Cast your vote, see how your picks stack up against the experts, and track your success! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Pick Tracker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Want to track all of your wagers in one place? Check out the BettingPros Pick Tracker. It syncs up with your sportsbooks to tally which picks hit, and which miss AND gives you a live look at what the public is doing so you can use real-time tracking to determine which plays to make, and which to fade: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/pick-tracking⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hard Rock Bet - Sign up for Hard Rock Bet and make a $5 bet and you'll get $150 in bonus bets if you win. Head over to Hard Rock Bet, sign up and make your first deposit today. Payable in bonus bet(s). Not a cash offer. Offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in FL. Offered by Seminole Hard Rock Digital, LLC, in all other states. Must be 21+ and physically present in AZ, CO, FL, IL, IN, NJ, OH, TN or VA to play. Terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling? In FL, call 1-888-ADMIT-IT. In IN, if you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1-800-9-WITH-IT. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER (AZ, CO, IL, NJ, OH, TN, VA)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Don't let the semester pass you by without getting in on the CFB betting scene! Join Seth Woolcock and Scott Bogman for their 2025 College Football Week 2 early picks and line movement predictions. Can the #22 Iowa State Cyclones (-3) get another win over their in-state rival, the Iowa Hawkeyes? Do the #21 Ole Miss Rebels (-10) get their revenge on the Kentucky Wildcats? Plus, will the #18 Oklahoma Sooners (-4.5) prove their worth by defending home turf against the #14 Michigan Wolverines? The Pros get re-ingrained in the campus community! Timestamps: (May be off due to ads) Intro - 0:00:00College Football Week 1 Recap - 0:02:23College Football Week 1 Betting Risers & Fallers - 0:03:12College Football Week 1 Takeaways - 0:06:18Baylor Bears vs. #16 SMU Broncos - 0:09:02BettingPros App - 0:11:31 Iowa Hawkeyes vs. #22 Iowa State Cyclones - 0:12:12#12 Illinois Fighting Illini vs. Duke Blue Devils - 0:15:13#21 Ole Miss Rebels vs. Kentucky Wildcats - 0:17:56BettingPros Pick Tracker- 0:22:55 Kansas Jayhawks vs. Missouri Tigers - 0:23:21South Florida vs. #15 Florida Gators - 0:26:38#14 Michigan Wolverines vs. #18 Oklahoma Sooners - 0:30:42Vanderbilt Commodores vs. Virginia Tech Hokies - 0:34:59#11 Arizona State vs. Mississippi State Bulldogs - 0:38:17Virginia Cavaliers vs. North Carolina State Wolfpack - 0:43:27Outro - 0:47:28 Helpful Links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros App⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Make winning bets with advice and picks from top sports betting experts. The BettingPros app puts consensus and expert-driven sports betting advice at your fingertips to help you pinpoint the best odds and make winning bets. Download it today on the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠App Store⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Google Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Looking to up your game in sports betting? Join our exclusive sports betting Discord community at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/chat⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Not only can you connect with expert handicappers who provide free picks for NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, player props, live betting, and more, but now you can also participate in our weekly community picks. Cast your vote, see how your picks stack up against the experts, and track your success! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Pick Tracker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Want to track all of your wagers in one place? Check out the BettingPros Pick Tracker. It syncs up with your sportsbooks to tally which picks hit, and which miss AND gives you a live look at what the public is doing so you can use real-time tracking to determine which plays to make, and which to fade: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/pick-tracking⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The 2025 football season is underway, as both Ole Miss and Mississippi State moved to 1-0 with opening game wins. Tyler talks high school upsets and Rick breaks down the Bulldogs' win over Southern Miss in Hattiesburg. Plus, how many commercials is too many commercials?

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Join Seth Woolcock, Scott Bogman, and Terrell Furman Jr. as they reveal their best bets for Week 1 of the college football season! Timestamps: (May be off due to ads) Intro - 0:00:00 Boise State Broncos vs. South Florida Bulls - 0:04:32 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets vs. Colorado Buffaloes - 0:08:10 Texas Longhorns vs. Ohio State - 0:15:44 BettingPros App - 0:21:22 Toledo Rockets vs. Kentucky Wildcats - 0:22:04 Syracuse Orange vs. Tennessee Volunteers - 0:27:56 Alabama Crimson Tide vs. Florida State Seminoles - 0:30:51 LSU Tigers vs. Clemson Tigers - 0:36:00 BettingPros Pick Tracker - 0:39:24 Virginia Tech Hokies vs. South Carolina Gamecocks - 0:39:57 Notre Dame Fighting Irish vs. Miami Hurricanes - 0:43:20 TCU Horned Frogs vs. North Carolina Tar Heels - 0:46:59 Best Bet of the Week - 0:50:25 Helpful Links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros App⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Make winning bets with advice and picks from top sports betting experts. The BettingPros app puts consensus and expert-driven sports betting advice at your fingertips to help you pinpoint the best odds and make winning bets. Download it today on the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠App Store⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Google Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Looking to up your game in sports betting? Join our exclusive sports betting Discord community at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/chat⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Not only can you connect with expert handicappers who provide free picks for NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, player props, live betting, and more, but now you can also participate in our weekly community picks. Cast your vote, see how your picks stack up against the experts, and track your success! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Pick Tracker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Want to track all of your wagers in one place? Check out the BettingPros Pick Tracker. It syncs up with your sportsbooks to tally which picks hit, and which miss AND gives you a live look at what the public is doing so you can use real-time tracking to determine which plays to make, and which to fade: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/pick-tracking⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Join Seth Woolcock and Scott Bogman for their 2025 College Football Week 1 early picks and line movement predictions! Timestamps: (May be off due to ads) Intro - 0:00:00 Week 0 Recap & Reaction - 0:02:15 Early Picks & Line Movement Predictions - 0:10:10 BettingPros App - 0:14:28 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets vs. Colorado Buffaloes - 0:15:11 Texas Longhorns vs. Ohio State - 0:20:49 Toledo Rockets vs. Kentucky Wildcats - 0:26:45 Syracuse Orange vs. Tennessee Volunteers - 0:32:55 BettingPros Pick Tracker - 0:36:07 Alabama Crimson Tide vs. Florida State Seminoles - 0:36:32 LSU Tigers vs. Clemson Tigers - 0:40:52 Virginia Tech Hokies vs. South Carolina Gamecocks - 0:44:50 Notre Dame Fighting Irish vs. Miami Hurricanes - 0:48:47 TCU Horned Frogs vs. North Carolina Tar Heels - 0:53:58 Helpful Links: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros App⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Make winning bets with advice and picks from top sports betting experts. The BettingPros app puts consensus and expert-driven sports betting advice at your fingertips to help you pinpoint the best odds and make winning bets. Download it today on the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠App Store⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Google Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Discord⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Looking to up your game in sports betting? Join our exclusive sports betting Discord community at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/chat⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Not only can you connect with expert handicappers who provide free picks for NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, player props, live betting, and more, but now you can also participate in our weekly community picks. Cast your vote, see how your picks stack up against the experts, and track your success! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BettingPros Pick Tracker⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Want to track all of your wagers in one place? Check out the BettingPros Pick Tracker. It syncs up with your sportsbooks to tally which picks hit, and which miss AND gives you a live look at what the public is doing so you can use real-time tracking to determine which plays to make, and which to fade: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bettingpros.com/pick-tracking⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Send a question for the boys to answer on the next podcast!Week 1 is here!! The MBG boys are fired up and ready for Kentucky this week! Tune in for a full breakdown of the Kentucky Wildcats and our predictions for your Toledo Rockets! Also, updates about a couple former Rockets currently in the NFL! TOL!!

America's first college fan newspaper The Cat's Pause launched in 1975 by newspaper writer/owner Oscaar Combs.The Big O jumped on the phone with Terry to discuss the early days of the paper that changed the way fans were connected to their favorite university's sports teams.More tomorrow with Tom Leach on THE LEACH REPORT, 8-9 AM on Sportstalk 790 Louisville. Oscar Combs and Darrell Bird will spend the entire hour with the voice of the Kentucky Wildcats.

ROUND of SHOTS #107 - show date 8.24.25Roundtable featuring Buzz Baker, John Huang, Dave Slone, Jay Hazze, Anthony White, Trevard Lindley, Chris Beasmore, and Jenna Lifshen - hosted by Kevin HaleTopics:Kentucky Football Season PredictionsDoc's 'The 10 Truths You Need to Hear' about Kentucky FootballSEC to implement 9-Game Football ScheduleJohn WallFinal Shots & more!@buzzbaker @KYHuangs @BigBlueNationD1 @JayHazzeKY @AdotWhite @TreyLindley32 @CBeasmoreSports @jensreporting @kevinhale423Show Link:https://linktr.ee/roundofshotsJohn Huang's book:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FDLCGR1P#BBN #CollegeBasketball #CollegeFootball #KentuckyWildcats #roundofshots #DaveO #JohnHuang #BuzzBaker #JayHazze #TrevardLindley #AnthonyWhite #ChrisBeasmore #JennaLifshen #KevinHale #SportsEntertainment #FinalShots

The Drive looked back at John Wall time at Kentucky and explained that the hype surrounding him was something you had to experience.

Miss any part of the show; catch up with the entire episode from today.

ROUND of SHOTS #106 - show date 8.17.2025Roundtable featuring John Huang, Dave Slone, Corey Price, and Chris Beasmore  - hosted by Kevin HaleTopics:Kentucky Football UpdatesKentucky Basketball UpdatesMichigan Football Penalties for Sign-StealingB1G wants to expand CFP to 24 or 28Final Shots & more!@buzzbaker @KYHuangs @BigBlueNationD1 @coreyp08 @CBeasmoreSports @kevinhale423Show Link:https://linktr.ee/roundofshotsJohn Huang's book:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FDLCGR1P#BBN #CollegeBasketball #CollegeFootball #KentuckyWildcats #roundofshots #DaveO #DocHuang #BuzzBaker #CoreyPrice #ChrisBeasmore #SportsEntertainment #FinalShots

ROUND of SHOTS #105 - show date 8.10.2025Roundtable featuring Buzz Baker, John Huang, Dave Slone, Terry Brown, Van Hiles, Chris Beasmore, and Jenna Lifshen - hosted by Kevin HaleTopics:Kentucky Football - 'State of the Program'UK Athletics launches 'BBN United'Final Shots & more!@buzzbaker @KYHuangs @BigBlueNationD1 @TBrown_80 @vstyles17 @CBeasmoreSports @jensreporting @kevinhale423Show Link:https://linktr.ee/roundofshotsJohn Huang's book:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FDLCGR1P#BBN #CollegeBasketball #CollegeFootball #KentuckyWildcats #roundofshots #DaveO #JohnHuang #BuzzBaker #VanHiles #TerryBrown #ChrisBeasmore #JennaLifshen #KevinHale #SportsEntertainment #FinalShots

On this episode of Highway to Hoover, Joe Healy and Mark Etheridge discuss post-MLB Draft signing deadline storylines throughout the SEC. We discuss which teams had pleasant surprises, which teams had things work against and which teams weren't sweating the deadline at all.00:00 Introduction and Welcome Back05:07 MLB Draft Deadline Overview05:41 Arkansas Draft Recap14:09 Alabama Draft Recap18:10 LSU Draft Recap23:27 Mississippi State Draft Recap26:53 Ole Miss Draft Recap31:55 Texas Draft Recap35:47 Texas A&M Draft Recap38:23 Reflecting on Texas A&M's Rollercoaster Season40:47 South Carolina's Transfer Portal Success43:15 Tennessee's Roster Changes and Key Players46:30 Missouri's Missed Opportunities51:25 Florida's Key Retentions and Additions54:19 Oklahoma's Mixed Draft Outcomes01:00:10 Vanderbilt's Draft and Transfer Insights01:03:21 Auburn's Draft and Transfer Highlights01:05:35 Kentucky's Strategic Retentions01:09:01 Georgia's Roster Overhaul01:13:04 Concluding Thoughts and Future OutlookHighway To Hoover is brought to you by Academy Sports + Outdoors—your go-to destination for everything you need this baseball season. Whether you're gearing up for game day or sharpening your skills in the offseason, Academy has the bats, gloves, cleats, protective gear, training equipment, and apparel to help you bring it home for less. With everyday low prices and a huge selection of top brands like Easton, Rawlings, and Wilson, Academy makes it easy to step up to the plate with confidence. Shop in-store or online at Academy.com and get ready to play ball!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

1978 University of Kentucky NCAA Champion and MVP Jack "Goose" Givens attended today's practice for this year's basketball Wildcats. He really likes what he's seeing in terms of improved shooting and speed.Jack details who he thinks will become huge stars and discusses Coach Pope's illuminating leadership style.Plus, Jack and a huge slate of former Kentucky Wildcats will be at Memorial Coliseum to meet fans on Monday, August 11 for the release of a new book.DETAILS:  "Memorial Coliseum: 75 Years as Monument, Stage, and Arena"Book Launch EventMonday, Aug. 11, 2025 | 5:30 p.m.Memorial Coliseum | Lexington, KYThe lineup is set, and it's incredible. On Monday, Aug. 11 at 5:30 p.m., Memorial Coliseum will welcome home some of the greatest names in Kentucky basketball history for the launch of "Memorial Coliseum: 75 Years as Monument, Stage, and Arena." Confirmed to join author Kevin Cook for book signing*: Jim Andrews – two-time All-SEC center, UK Athletics Hall of FameDicky Beal – 1984 East/Mid-East Regional Most Outstanding PlayerDoug Flynn – former basketball and baseball WildcatJack "Goose" Givens – 1978 National Championship MVP and radio color analystRalph Hacker - radio color analystTom Hammond – voice of sports broadcasting, Kentucky Sports Hall of FameCoach Dick Parsons – former UK assistant coachJared Prickett – co-captain of the 1996 NCAA Championship squadChip Rupp – son of the legendary Adolph RuppJay Shidler – “the Blond Bomber” Larry Stamper – former team manager and UK historianKenny Walker – "Sky Walker" himself, UK legend and two-time SEC Player of the YearSean Woods – a member of “The Unforgettables”  This is a once-in-a-lifetime gathering in the Historic Memorial Coliseum. You will hear stories that have never been told, get books signed by the legends who lived them and experience Memorial Coliseum in a way that honors both its memorial purpose and its basketball legacy. Don't miss your chance to be part of this historic evening.Click the button below to register today. The cost to attend is $10 per person and books can be purchased for $40 each.

Kicking off our Ole Miss Football opponent preview is Derek Terry on the Kentucky Wildcats. We discussed an interesting point in the Mark Stoops era, quarterback play, expectations and more.

Heath Cline in for Chuck today as we start the show with schools already starting to hit the practice field, and a look at this year’s Blue Chip Ratio. We then look at Kentucky with Nick Roush from Kentucky Sports Radio. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Plank Show with Chris Plank and Blake Gamble is joined by Tom Leach - the voice of the Kentucky Wildcats to help us with today's SEC Team Takeover.  Tom gives us insight to the fanbase's view of Coach Mark Stoops' status heading into the 2025 season and more.  Josh Helmer joins us for The Joshover in the final segment to discuss the day's hot topics.

Final day of SEC Football Kickoff! We start today with Malcom Simmons being arrested for a domestic assault charge before talking with Cole Cublic from JOX FM in Birmingham. We then catch up with Oklahoma GM Jim Nagy, and Heath Cline sits down with Kentucky TE Josh Kattus.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rod Babers and CJ Vogel break down the Texas Longhorns matchup against the Kentucky Wildcats!  

The season rapidly approaches as we continue through the Texas Longhorns' upcoming schedule week by week. This week, we land on the Kentucky Wildcats, who are looking to rebound from their worst season under head coach Mark Stoops. They were hit hard during the Transfer Portal window, but also tried to rebuild through it as well -- reshaping their roster from a team that won just won SEC game.

On this episode of Highway to Hoover, Joe Healy and Mark Etheridge discuss overlooked storylines in the SEC. They go team-by-team and talk about one storyline for each team that didn't get enough of their attention over the course of the season.00:00 Introduction and Overlooked Storylines Overview02:49 Listener Engagement and Umpire Insider05:02 Overlooked Storylines: Texas and Vanderbilt09:41 Overlooked Storylines: Texas A&M and Georgia15:54 Overlooked Storylines: Arkansas and Tennessee22:26 Overlooked Storylines: Ole Miss and Florida26:09 Bobby Boser's Versatility and Impact28:11 Auburn's Freshman Surge and Sam Dutton's Redemption31:41 Oklahoma's Bullpen Strength34:32 Alabama's Midweek Dominance38:25 Kentucky's Consistent Success44:48 Mississippi State's Two-Way Star48:39 South Carolina's Bright Spot55:14 Missouri's Struggles and Jackson Lovich's Standout Season01:00:46 Conclusion and Future PlansHighway To Hoover is brought to you by Academy Sports + Outdoors—your go-to destination for everything you need this baseball season. Whether you're gearing up for game day or sharpening your skills in the offseason, Academy has the bats, gloves, cleats, protective gear, training equipment, and apparel to help you bring it home for less. With everyday low prices and a huge selection of top brands like Easton, Rawlings, and Wilson, Academy makes it easy to step up to the plate with confidence. Shop in-store or online at Academy.com and get ready to play ball!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

One week of summer workouts down, seven more to go for the Kentucky Wildcats. The Joe Craft Center is the home of one of the deepest rosters in college basketball competing at the highest level ahead of the 2025-26 season, and now, intel is starting to roll in highlighting some of the early standouts. Who looks the part? Sources Say breaks it down while also rolling through USA Basketball leftovers from Colorado Springs, Tay Kinney's official visit to Lexington, the practice gym redesign with denim and understanding the assignment, players donating $40K to tornado relief efforts, the SEC schedule release for the Cats, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Cason Wallace winning the NBA Finals and previewing this week's NBA Draft. Essentially, every major piece of news over the last week is covered in detail this week on Sources Say — and we have a great time doing it.

One week of summer workouts down, seven more to go for the Kentucky Wildcats. The Joe Craft Center is the home of one of the deepest rosters in college basketball competing at the highest level ahead of the 2025-26 season, and now, intel is starting to roll in highlighting some of the early standouts. Who looks the part? Sources Say breaks it down while also rolling through USA Basketball leftovers from Colorado Springs, Tay Kinney's official visit to Lexington, the practice gym redesign with denim and understanding the assignment, players donating $40K to tornado relief efforts, the SEC schedule release for the Cats, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Cason Wallace winning the NBA Finals and previewing this week's NBA Draft. Essentially, every major piece of news over the last week is covered in detail this week on Sources Say — and we have a great time doing it.

The 2025 NBA Draft is this Thursday and we all know Cooper Flagg is going first. Does that mean he has the best odds of ending up in the Basketball Hall of Fame? Jim provides his thoughts on the top five players in this year's draft that have the best odds of ending up in the Hall of Fame once their careers are all said and done (9:04). Then, Kentucky Correspondent Shannon Miloch joins the podcast to talk about the Kentucky Wildcats that will get their name called this Thursday, as well as a few other SEC players she likes in the Wildcat-deprived lottery (35:16).

The guys (@GamblingPodcast) are talking win totals in their SEC College Football 2025 betting preview part one podcast. Additionally they're joined in studio by Colby Dant (@TheColbyD) from the College Football Experience podcast to talk college football win totals. Plus they break down some of their favorite college football future bets for the 2025 season.Podcast Chapters00:00 Introduction00:52 Hosts Introduction and Banter01:13 Guest Introduction and College Football Talk01:51 SEC Conference Discussion07:57 Alabama Team Analysis18:42 Arkansas Team Analysis24:39 Auburn Team Analysis30:53 Florida Team Analysis35:26 Florida Gators' Struggles and Predictions36:56 Georgia Bulldogs' Dominance and Schedule Analysis41:31 Kentucky Wildcats' Challenges and Coaching Speculations48:47 LSU Tigers' Potential and Brian Kelly's Impact56:58 Ole Miss Rebels' Schedule and Lane Kiffin's Strategy01:03:45 SEC Betting Locks and Futures Exclusive SGPN Bonuses And Linkshttp://linktr.ee/sportsgamblingpodcastWatch The Sports Gambling Podcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/sportsgamblingpodcast Follow The Sports Gambling Podcast X/Twitter - https://x.com/GamblingPodcastInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/sportsgamblingpodcastTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@gamblingpodcastFacebook - http://www.facebook.com/sportsgamblingpodcastFollow The Sports Gambling Podcast HostsSean Green - http://www.twitter.com/seantgreenRyan Kramer - http://www.twitter.com/kramercentricGambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

On today's show, our "College Hoops Off-Season Grades" continues with the Kentucky Wildcats! Mark Pope's second Wildcats squad is LOADED - do they have enough to bring home a national title?! Listen to NC State's off-season grade - HERE ⁠Listen to North Carolina's off-season grade - HERE⁠ ⁠Listen to UConn's off-season grade - HERE ⁠⁠ Fioboc is giving listeners of the Aaron Torres Pod 20% on their next purchase - for their FULL STORE of beautiful new clothes: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out their entire store here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Also, thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Caulipuffs, the healthy, yet delicious snack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ that is taking over your grocery isle! For more details - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠visit CauliPuffs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The guys (@GamblingPodcast) are talking win totals in their SEC College Football 2025 betting preview part one podcast. Additionally they're joined in studio by Colby Dant (@TheColbyD) from the College Football Experience podcast to talk college football win totals. Plus they break down some of their favorite college football future bets for the 2025 season.Podcast Chapters00:00 Introduction00:52 Hosts Introduction and Banter01:13 Guest Introduction and College Football Talk01:51 SEC Conference Discussion07:57 Alabama Team Analysis18:42 Arkansas Team Analysis24:39 Auburn Team Analysis30:53 Florida Team Analysis35:26 Florida Gators' Struggles and Predictions36:56 Georgia Bulldogs' Dominance and Schedule Analysis41:31 Kentucky Wildcats' Challenges and Coaching Speculations48:47 LSU Tigers' Potential and Brian Kelly's Impact56:58 Ole Miss Rebels' Schedule and Lane Kiffin's Strategy01:03:45 SEC Betting Locks and Futures Exclusive SGPN Bonuses And Linkshttp://linktr.ee/sportsgamblingpodcastFollow The Sports Gambling Podcast X/Twitter - https://x.com/GamblingPodcastInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/sportsgamblingpodcastTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@gamblingpodcastFacebook - http://www.facebook.com/sportsgamblingpodcastFollow The Sports Gambling Podcast HostsSean Green - http://www.twitter.com/seantgreenRyan Kramer - http://www.twitter.com/kramercentricGambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

The College Football Experience (@TCEonSGPN) on the Sports Gambling Podcast Network continues its 136 team preview with the Kentucky Wildcats 2025 Season Preview episode. Pick Dundee aka (@TheColbyD) & Ryan McIntyre (@Moneyline_Mac) break down the entire 2025 Kentucky Wildcats roster and key in on the schedule and the job security of the longest tenured SEC coach in Mark Stoops. Will the Kentucky Wildcats offense take a big step forward in Bush Hamdan's second year in Lexington? Did Kentucky make a mistake by voting for Oklahoma and Texas to join the SEC? How many wins is enough for Mark Stoops to feel like his job is safe heading into the 2026 season? Is Kentucky's Kroger Field quite an underrated college football stadium? What do we put the current state of the Kentucky Wildcats program heading into the 2025 college football season? Could Zach Calzada be a sneaky good pick up coming in from Incarnate Word at the QB spot? Did Kentucky win or lose the transfer portal? Is the run game going to be much improved with transfer additions like Seth McGowan and Dante Dowdell? Is Hardley Gilmore a name to lookout for at the wideout spot? Will Kentucky's 2025 season make or break on a bunch of transfer portal offensive linemen? Will Brad White and Mark Stoops have the Kentucky defense underrated yet again? Is the strength of the defense in the secondary with the return of JQ Hardaway, DJ Waller, Jordan Lovett and Ty Bryant? How will the Kentucky pass rush look in the 2025 college football season? Did Kentucky drawl a good SEC schedule for the 2025 season? How does Kentucky rank in the non con with games against Toledo, Eastern Michigan, Tennessee Tech and Louisville? We talk it all and more on this 2025 Kentucky Wildcats edition of The College Football Experience. Exclusive SGPN Bonuses And Linkshttp://linktr.ee/sportsgamblingpodcastFollow The Sports Gambling Podcast X/Twitter - https://x.com/GamblingPodcastInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/sportsgamblingpodcastTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@gamblingpodcastFacebook - http://www.facebook.com/sportsgamblingpodcastFollow The Sports Gambling Podcast HostsSean Green - http://www.twitter.com/seantgreenRyan Kramer - http://www.twitter.com/kramercentricGambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

Brian Edwards of MajorWager.com and Jay Greeson of the Chattanooga Times Free Press share their thoughts on a variety of SEC football and basketball topics, including head coach hot seat rankings, a game-by-game breakdown of Kentucky Wildcats win total for the 2025-26 College Football season, expectations for Mark Stoops and Zach Calzada, other betting picks, and much more. 0:00 Intro 8:46 SEC Head Coach Hot Seat Rankings 24:30 Kentucky Win Total Breakdown 55:33 Weekend Best Bets GAMETIME SIDEKICKS Use promo code SE16 for 10% off! http://www.gametimesidekicks.com/ FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA Twitter: https://twitter.com/16Southeastern SANDERS LOGISTICS Efficient, hassle-free moving: https://www.tedrsandersmoving.com/ ADVERTISE WITH SOUTHEASTERN 16 Reach out to caroline.bellcow@gmail.com to find out how your product or service can be seen by over 200,000 unique viewers each month!

The College Football Experience (@TCEonSGPN) on the Sports Gambling Podcast Network continues its 136 team preview with the Kentucky Wildcats 2025 Season Preview episode. Pick Dundee aka (@TheColbyD) & Ryan McIntyre (@Moneyline_Mac) break down the entire 2025 Kentucky Wildcats roster and key in on the schedule and the job security of the longest tenured SEC coach in Mark Stoops. Will the Kentucky Wildcats offense take a big step forward in Bush Hamdan's second year in Lexington? Did Kentucky make a mistake by voting for Oklahoma and Texas to join the SEC? How many wins is enough for Mark Stoops to feel like his job is safe heading into the 2026 season?Is Kentucky's Kroger Field quite an underrated college football stadium? What do we put the current state of the Kentucky Wildcats program heading into the 2025 college football season? Could Zach Calzada be a sneaky good pick up coming in from Incarnate Word at the QB spot? Did Kentucky win or lose the transfer portal? Is the run game going to be much improved with transfer additions like Seth McGowan and Dante Dowdell? Is Hardley Gilmore a name to lookout for at the wideout spot? Will Kentucky's 2025 season make or break on a bunch of transfer portal offensive linemen?Will Brad White and Mark Stoops have the Kentucky defense underrated yet again? Is the strength of the defense in the secondary with the return of JQ Hardaway, DJ Waller, Jordan Lovett and Ty Bryant? How will the Kentucky pass rush look in the 2025 college football season? Did Kentucky drawl a good SEC schedule for the 2025 season? How does Kentucky rank in the non con with games against Toledo, Eastern Michigan, Tennessee Tech and Louisville? We talk it all and more on this 2025 Kentucky Wildcats edition of The College Football Experience.  01:09 Welcome to the Kentucky Wildcats 2025 Season Preview 02:04 Mark Stoops' Tenure and Team Overview 03:22 Co-Host Introduction and Basketball Talk 04:04 Kentucky Football's Recent Struggles 05:26 Offensive Woes and Transfer Portal Additions 19:33 Defensive Analysis and New Recruits 25:32 Commonwealth Stadium and Fan Experience 28:08 State of the Program and Future Outlook 30:05 The Joy of Sports 30:29 Underdog Fantasy Promotion 30:58 Rhythm App and Power Trends 31:39 MyBookie AG Promotion 32:22 Analyzing the Schedule: Week 1 32:32 Kentucky vs. Toledo 34:49 Kentucky vs. Ole Miss 36:52 Kentucky vs. Eastern Michigan 37:44 Kentucky vs. South Carolina 38:52 Kentucky vs. Georgia 39:48 Kentucky vs. Texas 41:45 Kentucky vs. Tennessee 42:55 Kentucky vs. Auburn 44:38 Kentucky vs. Florida 46:46 Kentucky vs. Vanderbilt 47:23 Kentucky vs. Louisville 47:56 Final Thoughts and Predictions 51:46 Outro and Next Episode Teaser JOIN the SGPN community #DegensOnlyExclusive Merch, Contests and Bonus Episodes ONLY on Patreon - https://sg.pn/patreonDiscuss with fellow degens on Discord - https://sg.pn/discordDownload The Free SGPN App - https://sgpn.appCheck out the Sports Gambling Podcast on YouTube - https://sg.pn/YouTubeCheck out our website - http://sportsgamblingpodcast.comSUPPORT us by supporting our partnersUnderdog Fantasy code SGPN - Up to $1000 in BONUS CASH - https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-sgpnRithmm - Player Props and Picks - Free 7 day trial! http://sportsgamblingpodcast.com/rithmmRebet - Social sportsbook - 100% deposit match promo code SGPN in your app store! ADVERTISE with SGPNInterested in advertising? Contact sales@sgpn.io Follow The College Experience & SGPN On Social MediaTwitter - https://twitter.com/TCEonSGPNInstagram - http://www.instagram.com/TCEonSGPNTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@TCEonSGPNYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheCollegeExperienceFollow The Hosts On Social MediaColby Dant - http://www.twitter.com/thecolbydPatty C - https://twitter.com/PattyC831NC Nick - https://twitter.com/NC__NicK Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

What SEC team has the best home field advantage? Who has its in college football? How do you even define best home field advantage? Why is there such a bad stigma with “private money” entering college athletics? Isn’t it just inevitable? The Alabama Crimson Tide and The Auburn Tigers both pick up 4-star recruits. What do these mean for Alabama Football and Auburn Football? One possible bad sign for Kentucky Wildcats coach Mark Stoops. Is patience running thin for Kentucky Football fans? Our Champions Boxing 40-in-40 returns to the ACC with the SMU Mustangs at #21. SMU Football surprised the football world by playing their way into the College Football Playoff last season. Can the Mustangs contend again? We ask their head coach Rhett Lashlee joins the show live. NFL mandatory mini camps are underway, what are the best NFL storylines? The Atlanta Braves end a seven game losing streak with a w in over the Milwaukee Brewers. The US Open is at Oakmont this week. We make picks and talk storylines.Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What SEC team has the best home field advantage? Who has its in college football? How do you even define best home field advantage? Why is there such a bad stigma with “private money” entering college athletics? Isn’t it just inevitable? The Alabama Crimson Tide and The Auburn Tigers both pick up 4-star recruits. What do these mean for Alabama Football and Auburn Football? One possible bad sign for Kentucky Wildcats coach Mark Stoops. Is patience running thin for Kentucky Football fans? Our Champions Boxing 40-in-40 returns to the ACC with the SMU Mustangs at #21. SMU Football surprised the football world by playing their way into the College Football Playoff last season. Can the Mustangs contend again? We ask their head coach Rhett Lashlee joins the show live. NFL mandatory mini camps are underway, what are the best NFL storylines? The Atlanta Braves end a seven game losing streak with a w in over the Milwaukee Brewers. The US Open is at Oakmont this week. We make picks and talk storylines.Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What SEC team has the best home field advantage? Who has its in college football? How do you even define best home field advantage? Why is there such a bad stigma with “private money” entering college athletics? Isn’t it just inevitable? The Alabama Crimson Tide and The Auburn Tigers both pick up 4-star recruits. What do these mean for Alabama Football and Auburn Football? One possible bad sign for Kentucky Wildcats coach Mark Stoops. Is patience running thin for Kentucky Football fans? Our Champions Boxing 40-in-40 returns to the ACC with the SMU Mustangs at #21. SMU Football surprised the football world by playing their way into the College Football Playoff last season. Can the Mustangs contend again? We ask their head coach Rhett Lashlee joins the show live. NFL mandatory mini camps are underway, what are the best NFL storylines? The Atlanta Braves end a seven game losing streak with a w in over the Milwaukee Brewers. The US Open is at Oakmont this week. We make picks and talk storylines.Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What SEC team has the best home field advantage? Who has its in college football? How do you even define best home field advantage? Why is there such a bad stigma with “private money” entering college athletics? Isn’t it just inevitable? The Alabama Crimson Tide and The Auburn Tigers both pick up 4-star recruits. What do these mean for Alabama Football and Auburn Football? One possible bad sign for Kentucky Wildcats coach Mark Stoops. Is patience running thin for Kentucky Football fans? Our Champions Boxing 40-in-40 returns to the ACC with the SMU Mustangs at #21. SMU Football surprised the football world by playing their way into the College Football Playoff last season. Can the Mustangs contend again? We ask their head coach Rhett Lashlee joins the show live. NFL mandatory mini camps are underway, what are the best NFL storylines? The Atlanta Braves end a seven game losing streak with a w in over the Milwaukee Brewers. The US Open is at Oakmont this week. We make picks and talk storylines.Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What SEC team has the best home field advantage? Who has its in college football? How do you even define best home field advantage? Why is there such a bad stigma with “private money” entering college athletics? Isn’t it just inevitable? The Alabama Crimson Tide and The Auburn Tigers both pick up 4-star recruits. What do these mean for Alabama Football and Auburn Football? One possible bad sign for Kentucky Wildcats coach Mark Stoops. Is patience running thin for Kentucky Football fans? Our Champions Boxing 40-in-40 returns to the ACC with the SMU Mustangs at #21. SMU Football surprised the football world by playing their way into the College Football Playoff last season. Can the Mustangs contend again? We ask their head coach Rhett Lashlee joins the show live. NFL mandatory mini camps are underway, what are the best NFL storylines? The Atlanta Braves end a seven game losing streak with a w in over the Milwaukee Brewers. The US Open is at Oakmont this week. We make picks and talk storylines.Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What SEC team has the best home field advantage? Who has its in college football? How do you even define best home field advantage? Why is there such a bad stigma with “private money” entering college athletics? Isn’t it just inevitable? The Alabama Crimson Tide and The Auburn Tigers both pick up 4-star recruits. What do these mean for Alabama Football and Auburn Football? One possible bad sign for Kentucky Wildcats coach Mark Stoops. Is patience running thin for Kentucky Football fans? Our Champions Boxing 40-in-40 returns to the ACC with the SMU Mustangs at #21. SMU Football surprised the football world by playing their way into the College Football Playoff last season. Can the Mustangs contend again? We ask their head coach Rhett Lashlee joins the show live. NFL mandatory mini camps are underway, what are the best NFL storylines? The Atlanta Braves end a seven game losing streak with a w in over the Milwaukee Brewers. The US Open is at Oakmont this week. We make picks and talk storylines.Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ryan McIntyre (@Moneyline_Mac) breaks down Kam Williams being the newest member of the Kentucky Wildcats program. He breaks down his scouting report & looks ahead at the fit next year. Underdog Fantasy code SGPN - Up to $1000 in BONUS CASH - https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-sgpnRithmm - Player Props and Picks - Free 7 day trial! http://sportsgamblingpodcast.com/rithmmJOIN the SGPN "DegensOnly" communityExclusive Merch, Contests and Bonus Episodes ONLY on Patreon - https://sg.pn/patreonDiscuss with fellow degens on Discord - https://sg.pn/discordDownload The Free SGPN App - https://sgpn.appCheck out the Sports Gambling Podcast on YouTube - https://sg.pn/YouTubeCheck out our website - http://sportsgamblingpodcast.comCome join us all year long on The College Experience! Exclusive SGPN Bonuses And Linkshttp://linktr.ee/sportsgamblingpodcastSeat Geek -https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SGPN10WATCH The College ExperienceYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheCollegeExperienceFOLLOW The College Experience On Social MediaTwitter - tceonsgpn Instagram - tceonsgpn TikTok - tceonsgpn Follow The Hosts On Social MediaNoah Bieniek - noahb77_Colby Dant - thecolbydRyan McIntyre - moneyline_macNC Nick - nc__nickPatty C - pattyc831 Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

Ryan McIntyre (@Moneyline_Mac) breaks down Mouhamed Dioubate being the newest member of the Kentucky Wildcats program. He breaks down his scouting report & looks ahead at the fit next year. Underdog Fantasy code SGPN - Up to $1000 in BONUS CASH - https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-sgpnRithmm - Player Props and Picks - Free 7 day trial! http://sportsgamblingpodcast.com/rithmmJOIN the SGPN "DegensOnly" communityExclusive Merch, Contests and Bonus Episodes ONLY on Patreon - https://sg.pn/patreonDiscuss with fellow degens on Discord - https://sg.pn/discordDownload The Free SGPN App - https://sgpn.appCheck out the Sports Gambling Podcast on YouTube - https://sg.pn/YouTubeCheck out our website - http://sportsgamblingpodcast.comCome join us all year long on The College Experience! Exclusive SGPN Bonuses And Linkshttp://linktr.ee/sportsgamblingpodcastSeat Geek -https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SGPN10WATCH The College ExperienceYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheCollegeExperienceFOLLOW The College Experience On Social MediaTwitter - tceonsgpn Instagram - tceonsgpn TikTok - tceonsgpn Follow The Hosts On Social MediaNoah Bieniek - noahb77_Colby Dant - thecolbydRyan McIntyre - moneyline_macNC Nick - nc__nickPatty C - pattyc831 Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

Ryan McIntyre (@Moneyline_Mac) breaks down Jaland Lowe being the newest member of the Kentucky Wildcats program. He breaks down his scouting report & looks ahead at the fit next year. Underdog Fantasy code SGPN - Up to $1000 in BONUS CASH - https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-sgpnRithmm - Player Props and Picks - Free 7 day trial! http://sportsgamblingpodcast.com/rithmmJOIN the SGPN "DegensOnly" communityExclusive Merch, Contests and Bonus Episodes ONLY on Patreon - https://sg.pn/patreonDiscuss with fellow degens on Discord - https://sg.pn/discordDownload The Free SGPN App - https://sgpn.appCheck out the Sports Gambling Podcast on YouTube - https://sg.pn/YouTubeCheck out our website - http://sportsgamblingpodcast.comCome join us all year long on The College Experience! Exclusive SGPN Bonuses And Linkshttp://linktr.ee/sportsgamblingpodcastSeat Geek -https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SGPN10WATCH The College ExperienceYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheCollegeExperienceFOLLOW The College Experience On Social MediaTwitter - tceonsgpn Instagram - tceonsgpn TikTok - tceonsgpn Follow The Hosts On Social MediaNoah Bieniek - noahb77_Colby Dant - thecolbydRyan McIntyre - moneyline_macNC Nick - nc__nickPatty C - pattyc831 Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

Ryan McIntyre (@Moneyline_Mac) breaks down Denzel Aberdeen being the newest member of the Kentucky Wildcats program. He breaks down his scouting report & looks ahead at the fit next year. Underdog Fantasy code SGPN - Up to $1000 in BONUS CASH - https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-sgpnRithmm - Player Props and Picks - Free 7 day trial! http://sportsgamblingpodcast.com/rithmmJOIN the SGPN "DegensOnly" communityExclusive Merch, Contests and Bonus Episodes ONLY on Patreon - https://sg.pn/patreonDiscuss with fellow degens on Discord - https://sg.pn/discordDownload The Free SGPN App - https://sgpn.appCheck out the Sports Gambling Podcast on YouTube - https://sg.pn/YouTubeCheck out our website - http://sportsgamblingpodcast.comCome join us all year long on The College Experience! Exclusive SGPN Bonuses And Linkshttp://linktr.ee/sportsgamblingpodcastSeat Geek -https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SGPN10WATCH The College ExperienceYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheCollegeExperienceFOLLOW The College Experience On Social MediaTwitter - tceonsgpn Instagram - tceonsgpn TikTok - tceonsgpn Follow The Hosts On Social MediaNoah Bieniek - noahb77_Colby Dant - thecolbydRyan McIntyre - moneyline_macNC Nick - nc__nickPatty C - pattyc831 Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER CO, DC, IL, IN, LA, MD, MS, NJ, OH, PA, TN, VA, WV, WY Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY) Call 1-800-327-5050 (MA)21+ to wager. Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS, NV), 1-800 BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-270-7117 for confidential help (MI)

(1) J&J discuss if Memphis is the biggest loser in college basketball off-season (2) John Henson, Former NBA Star/North Carolina and Field of 68, discussed UNC NIL, Kentucky and college hoops with J&J

Jack Pilgrim and Shawn Smith break down the addition of Braydon Hawthorne to next years roster.

On today's show Torres reacts to Arkansas star Boogie Fland withdrawing from the draft and returning to college. Which schools could he be interested in?! Plus, new Kentucky Wildcat Reece Potter joins the show! Boogie Fland withdraws from the NBA Draft - where's he headed (2:00): Torres opens the show by discussing Boogie Fland withdrawing from the NBA Draft and returning to college hoops. He says there's one school that makes the most sense as his next landing spot - where is it?! New Kentucky transfer Reece Potter joins the show (20:00): From there, Torres is joined by the newest Kentucky Wildcat transfer commit - Reece Potter! The guys discuss growing up in Lexington, his decision to commit to UK, relationship with Mark Pope and the 2026 Wildcats. Plus, why the first call from Kentucky seemed too good to be true! Fioboc is giving listeners of the Aaron Torres Pod 20% on their next purchase - for their FULL STORE of beautiful new clothes: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out their entire store here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Also, thank you to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Caulipuffs, the healthy, yet delicious snack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ that is taking over your grocery isle! For more details - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠visit CauliPuffs.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Round one of the NFL Draft is in the books, Alabama Crimson Tide guard Tyler Booker is now a Dallas Cowboys guard, Jihaad Campbell is picked by the Philadelphia Eagles. Alabama Football quarterback Jalen Milroe and Colorado Buffaloes quarterback Shedeur Sanders both went undrafted and are likely to go in Round Two tonight. Also, the meteoric rise of Ole Miss Rebels QB Jaxson Dart, the Ole Miss Football star got picked by the New York Giants who traded back into the First Round to make Dart the second highest QB drafted. We give our reaction to the entire first round. The two first round Alabama Football draft picks keeps one of the most amazing streaks alive. Who had the best wide receiver room in college football history, the debate now is between the Ohio State Buckeyes and Alabama. Did Ohio State Football get the edge or you still have Bama? Did the first round show us the eight schools that should be controlling college football? Georgia Bulldogs Kirby Smart is on a Nick Saban domination trajectory when it comes to the NFL Draft. Alabama Football adds another tight end to a room that lacked depth. The Kentucky Wildcats athletic department looks to make themselves an LLC, what does that even mean. ESPN’s Chris Low says the Iamaleava family ended up overplaying their hand. What is your “Old Man College Football Take”? Los Angeles Lakers great Kobe Bryant’s original game worn jersey was auctioned off for $7,000,000. Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Round one of the NFL Draft is in the books, Alabama Crimson Tide guard Tyler Booker is now a Dallas Cowboys guard, Jihaad Campbell is picked by the Philadelphia Eagles. Alabama Football quarterback Jalen Milroe and Colorado Buffaloes quarterback Shedeur Sanders both went undrafted and are likely to go in Round Two tonight. Also, the meteoric rise of Ole Miss Rebels QB Jaxson Dart, the Ole Miss Football star got picked by the New York Giants who traded back into the First Round to make Dart the second highest QB drafted. We give our reaction to the entire first round. The two first round Alabama Football draft picks keeps one of the most amazing streaks alive. Who had the best wide receiver room in college football history, the debate now is between the Ohio State Buckeyes and Alabama. Did Ohio State Football get the edge or you still have Bama? Did the first round show us the eight schools that should be controlling college football? Georgia Bulldogs Kirby Smart is on a Nick Saban domination trajectory when it comes to the NFL Draft. Alabama Football adds another tight end to a room that lacked depth. The Kentucky Wildcats athletic department looks to make themselves an LLC, what does that even mean. ESPN’s Chris Low says the Iamaleava family ended up overplaying their hand. What is your “Old Man College Football Take”? Los Angeles Lakers great Kobe Bryant’s original game worn jersey was auctioned off for $7,000,000. Visit the TNR store: https://nextround.store/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.