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What happens when life forces you to stop, reflect, and rebuild? In this recap, Lesley and Brad unpack their conversation with wellness coach and the Balanced Your Life Podcast host Meghan Pherrill, who transformed her life after battling OCD, depression, and anxiety. They reflect on how Meghan's journey shows the power of starting small, listening to your intuition, and choosing practices that spark joy. This episode will inspire you to rethink your habits, embrace imperfection, and create a life rooted in balance and authenticity.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Meghan's breakup became a turning point for self-discovery.Why healing from OCD required both slow shifts and sudden breakthroughs.The importance of starting with one simple habit and sticking with it.How support systems can either hold you back or help you grow.Meghan's meditation guide for creating lasting calm and balance.Episode References/Links:Cambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comWinter Tour - https://opc.me/tourPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsEpisode 580: Wendy Valentine - https://beitpod.com/580Meghan Pherrill Website - https://www.balancebymeghan.comBalance Your Life Podcast - https://www.balancebymeghan.com/podcastInternational OCD Foundation - https://iocdf.org If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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If you don't, you're not going to get that habit. If it feels like it's shameful or like you're judging yourself, it's possible that's not your intuition and you're following someone else's. Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the restorative combo I had with Megan Farrell in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the episode and you are not new here, you know what to do. If you're brand new here, hi, we're gonna talk about something that already happened, and you can listen. If you're like me, you'd listen to this one and then you listen to the other one. Or you can be like, Brad and pause us now. Brad Crowell 1:23  You do that? Lesley Logan 1:24  Of course. I want, when we watch The Crown, do I not look up the historical facts before we finish?Brad Crowell 1:31  She does. She always looks up the ending. Yeah, I watch it from start to finish.Lesley Logan 1:34  I need, sometimes I get just nervous, and I just need to know how it's going to be, so that I can sit and pay attention. Because sometimes I'm just so nervous for them. They're like, I can't you saw my stress results after watching F1. Brad Crowell 1:47  Yes, I did. Lesley Logan 1:48  So you guys, we saw the F1 movie, and mostly I went for the Brad Pitt part, but my friend said it was just on edge of her seat, and so I looked at my WHOOP and, like, heart rate monitor and you can see from the horror film preview to the end of the movie of the of the F1 you can actually see every time they had a race, because my heart would spike for every race, and I just like, can someone just tell me if he wins this race? So I can just enjoy the race, because I can't enjoy the race right now because I'm so stressed for him. So that's why I like to listen to these kinds of episodes, podcasts, and then I listen to the one.Brad Crowell 1:48  Yeah, yeah, okay.Lesley Logan 1:52  Today is October 2nd, 2025, in case you didin't know, it is the day before our 10th year wedding anniversary. Brad Crowell 2:37  What? Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 2:39  But it's also the actual day of International Day of Non-Violence. Today, we celebrate the birthday of a man who helped bring forward the notion of non violence and the tremendous impact this form of social response has all over the world in the last century. On the International Day of Non-Violence created by the United Nations in 2007, we look back on the influence of an Indian activist born Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, but known the world over as Mahatma Gandhi. The International Day of Non-Violence honors how Gandhi's work and legacy has impacted global non-violent protests. The UN has good reason to use Gandhi's birthday to celebrate International Day of Non-Violence. Gandhi's commitment to India's independence and his methods have been the cornerstone of civil and human right initiatives all over the world. Put simply, Gandhi saw it as completely irrational to use violence to achieve peace. But rather just means.Brad Crowell 3:29  But rather, just means lead to just ends.Lesley Logan 3:32  Oh, but rather comma just means lead to just ends. Period. Got it, okay. This is a lesson we can all take to heart. I mean, I completely agree, you know.Brad Crowell 3:43  Yeah, it's, it's amazing that, especially in, you know, when he died in 1940s like late 40s, and his message spread all around the world, which is amazing, because, no, no computers, no email, no social media. Lesley Logan 4:01  Did you ever wonder? But do you wonder, like, would Mahatma Gandhi actually be famous today? Do you know what I mean? Because, like, some of the people we looked to were like, wow, like, would they actually keep the attention of the people who are like, hold on, let me see this kid, like, try lemon for the first time. I just, I just kind of like. Brad Crowell 4:19  Or drink Coke for the first time. Lesley Logan 4:20  Here's my, my faith in humanity's ability to, like, take, take seriously things that are serious is, like, dwindling every day. Lesley Logan 4:34  Yeah. I mean. Lesley Logan 4:35  We don't even know what's happened today when this comes out. I'm telling you, we're recording this in August, so, like, who knows what has happened to people's rights between August and August 2nd because it feels like every day they're trying to take someone's rights, or some city's rights away. We're talking about the U.S.Brad Crowell 4:50  Over the weekend, in the U.S., the federal government deployed troops to 17 cities, or something like that.Lesley Logan 4:57  I think they threatened 17. Brad Crowell 4:57  Or they, like, they we're gonna take, yeah. Lesley Logan 4:58  But by the time this has happened, maybe it's happened, but by the time we're recording this, no. So right now, they're in D.C. and they're threatening to go to Chicago and something else, but, like.Brad Crowell 5:08  They're in L.A. and D.C., yeah. Lesley Logan 5:10  And, you know, like, I just, I mean, it's all control, right? The more they have you scared, the more they have you changing your life, you know, then it's one day you wake up, it's too late, you can't even vote. So keep protesting. Go find a protest. There's a woman who's 104 I think she turned 104 two months ago. She protests every Thursday. Every Thursday. She is 104 she has very few days left on this planet, and she's like, I'm gonna spend one of every seven protesting for people's rights. We are not going to be here. Brad Crowell 5:44  She's not going to be here for them. Lesley Logan 5:45  She's not going to be here, right? Someday she will go. So I'm just saying, you, too.Brad Crowell 5:50  Yeah, but I think also, the thing, you know, like, we've been.Lesley Logan 5:54  By the way, we all boycott Target and look what happened. CEO is gone. So these things work.Brad Crowell 5:58  Well, the point of it is, is not necessarily the, the action of boycotting is important and and like, you know, making your voice heard. But I think that the key here is the non violent part, right? And I'll tell you, it's really challenging when you know the police are out in force or the military is out in force. It's very scary feeling to be in a crowd and, you know, see a clash, and you know that's, that is, we haven't been around like extreme violence, but we've been around like high pressure, like, environments where you're like, oh, if somebody does one thing stupid, this could all blow up. Right? Lesley Logan 6:42  I got really nervous at that one protest because this guy kept taunting the police and I was like, let's just go over here, because, like, it just, he's acting a little crazy. They're going to take it crazier, and then, who knows, but.Brad Crowell 6:55  But that's where I feel like that's why we need to focus on the non-violence, because it's important to make our voices heard. We have to make our voices heard. If we don't do that, then there are people who will make decisions that will that will hurt us, right, as a society and, literally, individually. But how do we do that in a way that doesn't make us exactly like them? Right?Lesley Logan 7:20  Yeah, well, you're going to call your congress person and senator every day. You are going to not pick every single company to boycott. I get it, lifestyle, we gotta do something. You know, we still shop in these places I'm not happy about, but you gotta, like, pick, like, I'm not doing these places or I'm gonna do, we did an FYFwhere I explained how you could, like, boycott in a way that was, like, successful for you and where your life is. You could borrow things. You can also, like, let's say you have a (inaudible), you don't have time to go out on a Saturday to go protest. Okay, great. So then, how can you help promote protests? How can you make sure that everyone you know goes out? Like, how can you do that? And, you know, there's just, there's just, there's always a way, no matter what your situation is. But I get that you're busy and I get that you're tired. I get that you're scared. We don't have time for that. And if you don't listen live in this country, and you're having to listen to us every Thursday talking about this, tell your American friends to get the fuck up and do some action, non-violent action. You know, we gotta do it. You know, it's just so important. And I promise you, you feel better after you do it. Non-violence, to me, does not mean telling people, like yelling what you want to yell out. That's what you could do at a protest. It's quite nice. I find it cathartic. Yeah, oh, I have a fit. We're, did we share this already? So we were at a protest, and there's like some dickhead on his little vape sucky thing, can't even handle, can't handle grown people with, like, a little passy. Anyways, he's like, flipping us off, and the guys next to us are like, oh, I'm gonna pray for you. And he's like, they hate that. And I was like, oh yeah. Thoughts and prayers. So if you have some dickhead, fascist, loving person in your life, you can just be like when they flip you off or they call you some, don't worry, I'll be praying for you. Brad Crowell 9:05  Yeah, thoughts and prayers. thoughts and prayers. Lesley Logan 9:06  Thoughts and prayers for you and your children. Anyways, today. Do you have anything more to say? Lesley Logan 9:12  I know Gandhi is great. Have you watched the movie? Go watch it. If you're like, Gandhi, I haven't thought about in a while. There's a movie about him. I'm sure there's some, I'm sure you can get chatgpt to give you the Cliff Notes as well, you know. But like. Brad Crowell 9:23  It's worth watching. Lesley Logan 9:25  I think it's worth watching. I think it's we, it's nice to learn about. If people think that this is all new, none of, none of what we're going through is new. Brad Crowell 9:33  The same stuff happened in the 60s. I mean, we're we're recycling, we're recycling fascism. I mean, it happened in the 40s and 30s, 20s.Lesley Logan 9:43  And they, and I love this, if we don't learn history, we're doomed to repeat it. People do, do learn history, and they're still repeating it, you know. So it's also, I think a lot of people who think that, like they could never be in a cult, they could never fall for that. They could never understand coercion, because they would never let that happen. And yet, they're also the same, people, very coerced. So, you know, take some time to learn about Gandhi today. And what can you do that's non-violent today to protest what you're pissed off about? Tell us what you decided to do. Tag us in the Be It Pod. We'll share it. We'll share with friends. Lesley Logan 10:15  Today is October 2nd. We are in Chicago, as we speak. We're having a great time with our members, and people came to our workshop, and we'll be at the Balanced Body's Pilates On T our. Brad Crowell 10:25  Yeah, if you are in Chicago, we're going to coordinate members only hang. So you know, if you are, you can come hang. If you're listening this podcast and you're at P.O.T. and you're not a member, just come hang out anyway. We'd love to meet you and hang out with you. Brad Crowell 10:36  And if you're like, where is it? You gotta reach out to us. Just text the company. Brad Crowell 10:42  Yeah, just text us 310-905-5534, text us there and we'll let you know.Lesley Logan 10:45  Supposedly Instagram is just gonna start telling over my location. And last week, it was everyone saying this is how you turn the location things off. And I was like.Brad Crowell 10:57  It seems like a bad idea. Lesley Logan 10:58  I was like, oh, great, then people will know where I am. Like, I don't know. Brad Crowell 11:02  Turn that shit off.Lesley Logan 11:03  Brad, do you know any people go, oh, you live in L.A., right? Like everyone's (inaudible) so it doesn't really matter. Brad Crowell 11:03  No, I think your profile can say Vegas. Lesley Logan 11:03  I know, but every I'm just saying, like, I don't actually know how it works.Brad Crowell 11:13  Maybe if it's general, and you're like, I'm in the city of.Lesley Logan 11:17  I, we told everyone where we are already. So I'm just really not so sure like, how, like, what they're gonna say she's at the movie thing. Like, how specific is it getting? Like, I don't know. Lesley Logan 11:25  Yeah, we'll see. Lesley Logan 11:26  You know what the fucking Earth is on fire. I'm not really worried about this right now. I don't currently have a stalker that is yelling at me. If I do, I'll figure that out. But that's not, that's not the, there's, I'm sure there's VPN for that. Brad Crowell 11:37  That's fair. Lesley Logan 11:38  But after this weekend, we leave for Cambodia for our retreat. And so we want you to join us next October, once you go on the get on the waitlist at crownestretreats.com so go do that.Brad Crowell 11:50  Yeah, come join us in January of next year, we're going to be announcing the early bird special. Lesley Logan 11:56  Yeah, next year's the early bird, October is the retreat. Brad Crowell 11:57  Yeah, October, it's gonna be like the third week of October 18 to 23 or something like that. Lesley Logan 12:01  It's a little later because of a holiday, I don't want to be there. We don't like being on a retreat during Pchum Ben because it's like the (inaudible) and they are, Pchum Ben, literally celebrate for 30 days. But the first three days are really big deal, and it makes it really hard to go into the temples because some of the rooms are blocked off for the holidays so we go around it.Brad Crowell 12:20  Yeah, they're doing a lot of, you know, there's a lot going on there that we are trying to avoid for next year. So, yeah. Anyway, come join us, and we're telling you now so that you have a literal year to plan. Lesley Logan 12:35  No excuses. Brad Crowell 12:36  That's right, no excuses, y'all, the spots are limited, and if you want the information, get on the waitlist, go to crowsnestretreats.com now and then, we're really fired up on the way home from this year's trip. We are going to be teaching in Singapore. And then really, what I'm really fired up about is we're going to go do the Botanical Gardens. If you've never looked these up, y'all, you have to look them up. I saw them in a movie, and I was like, that doesn't look like CGI. What the hell? Where is that place? I need to figure this out. And it is the botanical gardens at night in Singapore, and they are up on this walkway that's raised up above the city with these epic statues that are full of vegetation and the gardens that they've built. And it is just mind blowingly cool. And I've been dreaming of going there for many, many, many years, and finally.Lesley Logan 13:24  And we have a 15-hour layover during the day, so we can do workshops and the garden. Brad Crowell 13:27  Yeah, it's gonna be great. So go check that out. Lesley Logan 13:30  You can't check out our workshop, but you can go check out their gardens. Brad Crowell 13:33  That's right, yeah, the workshop is private event, but the but the gardens are dope. Winter tour.Lesley Logan 13:37  It was announced yesterday. Lesley Logan 13:39  Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 13:39  I bet you you can go to opc.me/tour at this point. Brad Crowell 13:42  Yeah, you can go to opc.me/tour I'm sure the events was redirected to tour, but if not, you'll get an email saying you're on the waitlist. Thanks. Oh, by the way, tour is open. Click here, so go check your email if you just signed up on the waitlist, opc.me/events or opc.me/tour we are planning to do another 8000 miles. We are. Lesley Logan 14:00  Crazy people. Brad Crowell 14:02  We're looking at like 22 to 24 cities, I think, on this, this tour. And we're really looking forward to being back up in the northeast, all the way back down in Miami. Well, we're going to do Fort Lauderdale this year instead of Miami, but we'll be in the area. And then, yeah, it's going to be awesome. So we can't wait to hang with you again in person, if you've joined us last year, just so that you know, tickets are starting to sell really fast when we make these announcements so.Lesley Logan 14:28  Especially for winter tour, because people, like, can go see family members at certain places. So like, they are, they're on it. They're watching it.Brad Crowell 14:35  So tickets opened yesterday. So go check it out, opc.me/tour. Now, we got some exciting things. We're already talking about 2026 here. Yes, what's going on in January?Lesley Logan 14:44  The Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach, which is near Los Angeles. It is, I forget, I think the dates are like the ninth and 10th, or the 10th and 11th. At any rate, it's like right there. As soon as we end the tour, we go there and we do a couple great events there. So our first expo in the U.S. I'm really excited for them, because we need more conferences. Yeah, we need more ways to get together. Brad Crowell 15:06  It's gonna be awesome. So we've got a new URL for you, everybody, are you ready? This is the unveiling ofLesley Logan 15:13  xxll.co/pilatesjournal so my initials how I sent off xxll.co/pilatesjournal.Brad Crowell 15:20  That'll take you straight to the Pilates Journal Expo. Brad Crowell 15:20  And they have tickets already. Brad Crowell 15:23  Yep, it's available. Lesley Logan 15:28  And then in March, we're going to be in Poland, the Contrology conference in it's like, wut-waf and then sometimes people try to tell me say, oh, ruk-luf. And that's not how you say it. It's like, Wroclaw, but I'm going to be there. And so it's xxll.co/poland and then the next week we'll be in Brussels, different workshops, same, great people. So come to both xxll.co/brussels. So that's Q1, that's as far as I'm going with guys, I don't want to scare myself.Brad Crowell 16:02  Well, then we're gonna be in London in April. Lesley Logan 16:05  Okay, well, just let the cat out of the bag, babe. I'm not talking about Q2. No, no. Refuse. Refuse. We have to wait a couple months. Brad Crowell 16:15  Oh, shoot. We'll wait. We'll wait. Lesley Logan 16:17  I don't like, then it's like, and then in June, and then people are like, too much. They're not listening anymore. It's not, we're losing listeners.Brad Crowell 16:24  It's true. All right. Here we go. We had an audience question. Kaylee Nicole Medina asks, hey Lesley, I wanted to ask you, which classical Reformer do you recommend for a small studio that I'm opening, I'm planning to have only four Reformers, and Kaylee, I can already tell you exactly which Reformer she's gonna recommend.Lesley Logan 16:40  Brad is taking over the answers these days. Well, let's see.Brad Crowell 16:43  Lesley is, if you don't know this, Lesley is a a Pilates Contrology demo center right here in Las Vegas. Lesley Logan 16:52  Just my whole self, yeah. Brad Crowell 16:53  Lesley herself, our our home, is a demo center for Contrology. So, of course, she's going to go with the Contrology Reformer, which is 80 inches. Lesley Logan 17:01  Well, they have a couple but. Brad Crowell 17:04  But the ones that we have are 80. Lesley Logan 17:10  They're 80. Brad Crowell 17:10  So for a smaller studio, get the 80 inches.Lesley Logan 17:08  Yeah, they're gonna work for people up to six-three and all that stuff. And then the other thing I did, I will say, Kaylee, is, if you're like, you could do 280 and 286 is so that way, if you had a couple tall people, you could do that, they're still not what I like about them is they're lightweight, so they're easy to move around. So if the floor is like hardwood floor you could put some little felt on the bottom. It's really easy to, like, slide things around. And Kaylee, if you want to take it up another notch, I'm gonna say you can get both the 80 and the 86 with Towers on them. Now, obviously. Lesley Logan 17:33  You get the 80s with Tower? Lesley Logan 17:37  Shhh. They don't advertise, but you can ask. You gotta talk to me. Gotta talk to me. I'll give you to my girl. My girl will help you out with it.Brad Crowell 17:49  Didn't know that. Lesley Logan 17:49  If you are a taller body, it's obviously not a long enough mat for you, which is why I'm suggesting 286 is 280s and with Towers, and now you have a small studio with two different oh, and get this.Brad Crowell 18:03  That's right, you'll get the you'll get the Reformers, the Towers, and you'll be able to put the mats right on them, so.Lesley Logan 18:08  By the way. But wait there, and not just it. You can buy the handles. This is how genius Balanced Body and Contrology are, they made it so that that converted mat or Tower, you could put the classical mat handles in and now it's a three in one. Brad Crowell 18:22  Come on. Lesley Logan 18:23  You're welcome. And you can use my discount and that's gonna save you like 5% which is like shipping. So, you're welcome. Lesley Logan 18:32  Yeah. So reach back out, Kaylee, that's great. I didn't know that. Fancy, fancy. Don't tell.Brad Crowell 18:39  If you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or submit your question at beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions where you can leave your wins or your questions. And we really actually love hearing from you. Brad Crowell 18:56  I want your wins. I want all your wins. Brad Crowell 19:03  We want more wins. Lesley Logan 18:59  Of course, I want your questions, but I want your wins, too. Brad Crowell 19:01  Yeah, bring it on. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this convo that Lesley had with Meghan Pherrill. Just a minute. Brad Crowell 19:08  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Meghan Pherrill. Meghan Pherrill is one of the is the creator of Balanced by Meghan, a wellness brand and top Canadian podcast, Balance Your Life. Shaped by her journey through personal challenges and past trauma, Meghan discovered yoga, meditation and healthy eating habits as tools to rebuild her life and really battle OCD and debilitating trauma, right? Today, she inspires others to embrace small, sustainable changes that lead to a well -balanced life. Through retreats, workshops and her podcast, she empowers people to tune into their intuition, find patience in their healing journey, and create a life rooted in health, resilience and authenticity. So it was, it was, it was definitely interesting. It was an intriguing conversation. There's definitely a lot more to that conversation that you y'all didn't go into. But what? But, but what? Tell me what? What is one of the things that jumped out at you?Lesley Logan 20:00  Well, I think, like, what I what I really was interested in talking with her about, because being it till you see it is like she used to, she was, she is diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder, right? She had depression and anxiety, and, like, she now is in a whole different place in her life, right? And she worked through all those things. And I'm just like, I think that's really amazing. Because I think a lot of people have this badge of, oh, I have anxiety, or I'm depressed, or I have OCD, and they use it as like, and that's why I can't X, Y and Z. And she had this breakup that was a total wake up call for her, and she was able to realize that she'd become someone she didn't want to be. She didn't like who she was. And, I mean, it's kind of like last week's episode with Wendy Valentine, like out of a relationship, but different points in their life. Meghan is very young. Brad Crowell 20:45  Yeah, sure. Lesley Logan 20:46  And so it's a whole it's not like a midlife crisis, it's like a no, you're an adult now, and you're you don't like who, what's going on with your life and who you become. And so she put all this energy into into this relationship, and she changed herself, and she just didn't like who she so it didn't, didn't work, but she found herself in another way, which is, like, led her discovering yoga, and she got off her medications and started eating really clean, and that really allowed her to, like, start to become this person who you know isn't being controlled by OCD and depression anxiety.Brad Crowell 21:25  Yeah, I think the thing that I loved about that, that kind of buckles right into it, is that change from something like that, you know, it was, it was fast and slow at the same time. And she, she kind of emphasized that it it was quick in the grand scheme of things, but it wasn't quick in the moment, you know. And she said she felt so lost, and was, was like she talked about, you know, having the will to live, you know. And she realized that, she realized the necessity of trying to be happy. She said it was a long journey, but it was her truth, and that her advice for others starting their wellness journey is to just start with one thing, one thing at a time, and give yourself time to do the one thing like this isn't like one thing today and a new thing tomorrow, and a new thing the next day and a new thing the next day. Just like, just focus on one thing. I mean, we're talking obsessive compulsive in in a way that I've only seen portrayed in movies. You know, flip the lights on and off multiple times, open and shut the door multiple times, stand up, sit down. She mentioned something about checking her books, something like 46 times. I don't understand that, you know. I don't even understand what that why she's doing when she's when someone would be doing that.Lesley Logan 22:51  I know I think like, it's like, now I want to know more about OCD, because I do think people flip it and go, oh, I have OCD. Oh, you know. And I like, and maybe you do, but if.Brad Crowell 23:03  I think there are different, like, extremes of OCD.Brad Crowell 23:05  But like, this is completely time-consuming. I mean, she had a traumatic.Brad Crowell 23:14  You mentioned that you were like, man, that must have been so much time. And she said, you don't even know. She's like, yeah, it was a lot of time. Lesley Logan 23:14  Yeah, like, and, of course, that's what I focused on. Like, how much time is that? Like? Just seems like a lot of time. Is one reason why I could, I don't think I could become OCD because, like, I just can't. I hate wasting time that would really.Brad Crowell 23:27  Yeah, really what she what she said was quick was the breaking of the habits. And she said that was, and that was also from a interestingly, it was like a traumatic moment snapped her out of the some of the habits that she had formed. And it was her grandfather. She got news that her grandfather was, I don't remember if he was diagnosed or if he had actually passed away yet, but she, like he, he was incredibly important to her and and there was, like this, this moment of clarity that really changed things for her. And it's she stopped the habits, and then she's, you know, so now she's not, you know, checking her books 46 times, standing up and sitting down, 15 times, you know. And she said, all of a sudden, I had so much time on my hands. And then she asked, like she said, you know, what are you going to do with it? You might as well do something that makes you feel happier with that time.Lesley Logan 24:22  Yeah. And I think, like, I think how cool that she got to do it at such such a young age. Because I and now she's, like, her whole life is so different. She has an amazing podcast. She's got a kid and, like, and. Brad Crowell 24:34  Yeah it sounds like she connected with a really supportive boyfriend, and now husband, who happens to have a great name. Lesley Logan 24:40  Yeah, is it Brad? Brad Crowell 24:43  It is and, but he, he, you know, was helping her through the steps that that, like, like, kind of, I guess helping her through is the wrong way out. He was there alongside her, through the change. Lesley Logan 24:54  And I think, you know, I think that can go both ways. I think it could be like, oh, my. God, like I if you're alone and like, I just wish I had someone to go through this with. If you are currently alone, you, there are, there might be someone you can hire or like a person to go through with, that like you could bring on versus a partner. Because not every partner, like, don't like, not every partner is as great as this person, right? So she had a perfect person to be on her side who would like, could see the person she wanted to become, and could envision that dream and like, be there for all the journey. But you might end up finding out you're with someone who doesn't want to be part of that journey, and then it makes it so. I would just say, like, don't be jealous, or think it, the grass is green on that side. If you're wanting to make a change like this, there are people out there who want to help you. You know, there are, there are services out there. And I that's one of the things I find so fast, and the more I learn about services in the world, there are literally services. There is a charity who will do anything. So, like, there's going to be someone out there, you it's not the easiest thing to, like, look for help. But like, we had that one guy on who talked about all the different ways you can get money or food or diapers. We just found out from the charity we donate to that they will help people who can't afford dog food get dog food so they can keep the dog so the dogs are not going to the shelter. So like, there is some so if you are needing help with something right now, and her journey has, like, sparked something new, like, please advocate for yourself to get help.Brad Crowell 26:23  Yeah, there's a community called the International OCD Foundation, or the IOCDF, and it provides education, resources, community support, professional training, you know, so you can there definitely are tools, you know, if you are feeling isolated, yeah.Lesley Logan 26:40  I love it. I think it's really, I think it's really cool. I don't, I don't know anyone who's had this, but I've always wondered, like, what it's like, and it was really nice of her to share that with us and then share how she's changed her life.Brad Crowell 26:52  Yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 26:53  It's a true be it till you see it story. Lesley Logan 26:56  I'm it was, you know, and I'm excited for her that she, you know, has been moving forward and building these things, and, you know, starting a family and doing all this stuff. So that's great. It's, you know, I think she's clearly doing things that are making her happier. So, good for her. Brad Crowell 27:12  Yeah, we can all learn from that. Yeah. Brad Crowell 27:13  Yeah. Stick around, we'll be right back. We're going to dig into those, Be It Action Items that we had with Meghan Pherrill. Brad Crowell 27:22  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Meghan Pherrill? She said, hey, start with meditating five minutes a day. It will absolutely change your life, just five minutes. And she said, if you're brand new to this, maybe set aside 10 minutes so that you can get five minutes in, because it is hard. You know, I can tell you from personal experience, what do you think about when you're meditating? Are you supposed to think about things? Are you like? You know, I don't really know. I've all these preconceived notions of what it is, she said, but ultimately, recognize that you can five minutes is just five minutes. You got this, right, but she said, choose a style that resonates with you. She said if you struggle with to quiet your mind, but you can listen, maybe you do an opted maybe you do a guided meditation where you're listening to a YouTube video. I've done this, you know, and that's I find that really helpful, because it allows me to focus on something instead of just letting my mind wander. If you prefer physical a physical element, you can try breath work style meditation, which obviously we've also done, especially with your, you know, being breathwork certified, and then that will really help you focus on your breath and, you know, counting and just focusing on that thing. You know, for you know, we often talk about in yoga and in Pilates, that it is a movement meditation, because when you're when you're when you are so focused on the movement, you cannot think about anything else like there's no room for it in your head. And that is a form of meditation, right? That's where that mind body connection starts to happen, kind of a thing. And she said there's plenty of relatable teachers and resources out there. Find someone online. You can find someone on YouTube or podcast apps who you like their voice.Lesley Logan 29:13  There is this one person who I heard on a podcast when she said that she has an 11-second meditation, she turns it on, and the person goes, inhale, exhale. That's 11 seconds. Brad Crowell 29:32  Amazing. Lesley Logan 29:33  Yeah. Brad Crowell 29:34  Well, you too can meditate. And then she said get comfortable. And she said, some people like to meditate first thing in the morning. So if you're getting comfortable in your bed, make sure you sit up, otherwise you're just gonna fall back asleep. But meditation doesn't require a rigid posture, per se, right? You don't need to be like stiff as a statue, or like a monk or whatever. You can lie down, or you can be in a comfortable position, you know, just be aware that it's you know. If you're doing it right after you've woken up, you might just fall back asleep on your seat. Brad Crowell 29:59  I get in the cold plunge before I meditate. That's just like, it's not gonna happen.Brad Crowell 30:04  Hey, that's a great idea. It's a great idea. And then you know when, when the two you're talking you were talking about permission to be imperfect, right? It's not about being perfectly still or having the clearest mind. It's about being kind to ourselves and setting aside time to let our brain think and process things, and you know, in a subconscious way that we're not like actively, you know, we're creating space for that's what the meditation will do.Lesley Logan 30:34  Yeah, we talked a little bit about one more thing that I think, is it's, it's really beautiful, and it kind of springs true with last week. So if you're avoiding last week's Be It Action Item, this is gonna keep knocking on your door until you do it. But first she said, follow that intuition of yours. Just run with it and go with it. I'm studying tarot right now, and you'll know why, because we have a tarot guest coming up. I'm studying it. And the High Priestess card is all about the intuition. And like, like, going into your intuition and having some making sure that you're, like, understanding, because it's mystery. Like, intuition is also like, a mystery, right? Like, what is it? What am I saying? What am I feeling? Is that my is that my words? But anyways, so you can think of it as a High Priestess card and learning about that. Or you can figure out, like, how, how do you best understand what your intuition is saying, What does it sound like to you? So she said, just whatever's calling you or resonate with you. Follow that intuition of yours. Just run with it and go with it like just leap, right? And then she also said, don't make it complicated. Just start and see how you feel. And she also reminded us to give it some time too. It's not a one time thing. So we said it before, we're saying it again, not a one-time thing, you have to keep doing it. And she also said, as you're doing it, how did I feel? How did I feel? And that's so important, because we know from how habits are truly created, it has to actually bring joy. And dopamine, get your dopamine high. If you don't, you're not going to get that habit. If it feels like it's shameful, or like you're judging yourself, it's possible that's not your intuition, and you're following someone else's thing, so.Brad Crowell 32:06  I think, I think that's one of the things I constantly remind myself, but also when people ask me, why do you do a cold plunge every morning? You know it's a decision. But how do I feel afterwards? I've been describing it as the best cup of coffee I didn't have. Yeah, you know, you feel alert, awake immediately, and the cold is only cold for a second. Right? And now, like, because I've done it so many times that, like, shock of cold water isn't really even there anymore, even when, when the when the temperatures in the 40s, you know? Because, yeah, it's cold, but, like, I already know what to expect. But afterwards, even with just three minutes, it feels, you feel your brain is going it is actually functioning. You're up and at 'em. It's awesome, so.Lesley Logan 33:03  I hate it and love it, and I actually, I was on Meghan's podcast, and she asked me about cold plunging, and she was like, yeah, because everyone's saying, like, you shouldn't cold like, women shouldn't cold plunge. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Because being a woman means being told to cold plunge and not cold plunge. Being told, being told to do this and not do this. It's like, it's like, just, we talked about in Amy Ledin's pod episode that's coming out in December, and we're talking about habits. We're gonna have a whole habit series. So this really is building up for that. But like being a woman today, with everyone going wear a weight vest, it's not gonna do anything. Do a cold plunge. It's the worst thing you can do during a little cycle. Blah, blah, blah, I told Meghan, I said, I don't actually care. I and you have to listen to the whole conversation, but I'm summarizing. I said, it makes me feel good, and that's all that matters. And when it doesn't make me feel good anymore, then maybe I do something different. But I'm only in it for four minutes, and I'm doing it for 15 minutes every day. It's four minutes, and it really does shake the sleep off, bring me to my life, and it makes me excited to start the day. Yeah, and I can't Why? How could anything be bad? If it makes you so excited to take on your day, there's no way that could be bad for me. Impossible.Brad Crowell 34:21  Well, Meghan's podcast is called Balance Your Life. I'm just gonna look up really quick.Lesley Logan 34:26  What episode number I was? Brad Crowell 34:27  Yeah, and I'm not sure exactly, so. Lesley Logan 34:37  I don't either, but it's, it's out. It came out. Brad Crowell 34:40  Did it? Cool. Lesley Logan 34:42  I think so.Brad Crowell 34:43  Yeah go look at the Balance Your Life pod.Lesley Logan 34:47  It's one of the top podcasts in Canada, so it's super cool Way to go, Meghan, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 34:52  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 34:53  Thank you so much for listening to us. Send in your wins, send in your questions. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 34:59  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 35:00  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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It just doesn't happen in the way. If it was going to happen in the life you're having now, you'd have it already. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap.Brad Crowell 1:02  I feel caught any of the shit talking that happened before we started. No, you don't even know. You don't even know. Take it away. Lesley Logan 1:12  Brad am I just gonna keep going. I'll just keep going. Brad and I are going to dig into the refreshingly genuine convo I had with Wendy Valentine in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one, then come back and join us. You can listen to it twice if you're like Brad, maybe remember, just saying, love you so much. Lesley Logan 1:35  So today is September 25th 2025 and it is One-Hit Wonder Day. One-Hit Wonder Day takes place every year on September 25th.Brad Crowell 1:48  Yeah, I put that stuff in there just so that you have to repeat literally the same.Lesley Logan 1:52  Well, sometimes it's every third Thursday, so it's not exactly the same but, but the day is the perfect excuse to listen to songs that have been in your head since they first aired. So that doesn't make sense. If it's a one-hit wonder, it should just be the day to be honoring other one-hit wonder they flubbed it anyways. I think you should go listen to only one-hit wonders, and I have some good ones for you. So buckle up and get ready to remember all the artists whose names have have been lost to time, but whose works have stayed behind in our minds and hearts. Here's everything you need to know about one-hit wonders and the people who made them. Brad has a list.Brad Crowell 2:26  Well, I don't have a list of everything you need to know about them, but I do have a list of one-hit wonders. So (inaudible) I'm just gonna pick one from each decade. Lesley Logan 2:35  Okay, that's fine. But then can I share my favorite one-hit wonder of the 90s?Brad Crowell 2:38  Okay, when we get to the 90s. All right, so the 1970s, My Sharona. Lesley Logan 2:46  That was a one hit wonder? Brad Crowell 2:47  By The Knack. Yeah, ever heard of The Knack? Lesley Logan 2:50  No, but I heard My Sharona.Brad Crowell 2:55  Okay, from the 80s, all right, we've got, let's see, this is one of my favorite songs of all times, all time, the times, Take On Me by A-ha. Lesley Logan 3:12  A-ha. Take On Me.Brad Crowell 3:14  Take on me.Lesley Logan 3:15  You don't love that because it's you can't actually, that is hurting people's ears, (inaudible) but that's a hard song to sing. It's kind of like Africa. You can't like you like, A-ha, because it's like, Toto like, it's really hard to sing. Take like, like, he changes.Brad Crowell 3:32  Yes, he does, yes he does. It's a very it's like crazy range. 1990s. Lesley Logan 3:38  Hey. Well, why don't you say, well, let's just see if you picked the one I pick.Brad Crowell 3:41  All right. Well, so there's a bunch. Brad Crowell 3:44  There's so many. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 3:45  It also really spans a whole decade, because, like, one of the songs I was like, that was the 90s, I remember being like, in the sixth grade, and the one I picked, I remember, like, knowing in high school. So anyways, clearly, that's what I did in the 90s, was go to school. What do you got?Brad Crowell 3:58  All right. All right. So obviously, Tubthumping by Chumbawamba.Lesley Logan 4:03  Oh, of course, I wouldn't pick that, but yes, Tubthumping was great. But they're not really a one-hit wonder because they had another hit. Brad Crowell 4:09  No, they didn't. Lesley Logan 4:10  Oh, they didn't? Brad Crowell 4:10  I don't think they had another hit. Lesley Logan 4:11  They had another song that, like, made it to my radio in Lodi. It wasn't as good, you're right. Brad Crowell 4:19  I mean, if they did, oh yeah, you know what, I get knocked down. Lesley Logan 4:25  Yeah, that's not Tubthumping? Brad Crowell 4:27  I think it is Tubthumping. How come it's oh, they released it different titles. Lesley Logan 4:31  Okay. Brad Crowell 4:32  No, I think it's the same. So, yeah, I basically, I think that's their song. Lesley Logan 4:35  Okay, all right. Brad Crowell 4:36  That is the only one that I actually know. Lesley Logan 4:38  Okay, so okay, how do you how are you going to pick between Sex and Candy and Closing Time? Brad Crowell 4:43  Oh, Sex and Candy is great. Lesley Logan 4:45  Because did you even listen to Sex and Candy when you were in the 90s? Brad Crowell 4:47  No, on the school bus. Lesley Logan 4:49  Okay. Brad Crowell 4:49  I love sex and candy. Yeah, so, but, but also, listen like there's so many others. Lesley Logan 4:55  Yeah, it's a lot deeper. Brad Crowell 4:57  How about Macarena?Lesley Logan 4:58  Well, no, can't even start with that one. That's not good. It's gonna get in your head. Brad Crowell 5:02  How about Breakfast at Tiffany's by Deep Blue Something? Lesley Logan 5:05  Is Chumbawamba and Tubthumping the same song or different song?Brad Crowell 5:08  Chumbawamba is the band. Lesley Logan 5:10  Oh, I see, I see, I see. Okay. Brad Crowell 5:11  Yeah. How about Semisonic?Lesley Logan 5:14  Well, yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Closing Time. That's the best song. Brad Crowell 5:19  It's a great song. Lesley Logan 5:20  Did you know? And I think Bitter Sweet Symphony was a one-hit because they, I think they got in trouble with the music. Brad Crowell 5:25  Oh yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 5:26  Which is such a bummer, because it's such a good song. Brad Crowell 5:28  Um, okay, 2000s. Lesley Logan 5:30  Oh yeah, I guess we have to get out of the 90s. Brad Crowell 5:31  We're moving on. 2000s, there's a couple, but I think my famous, my favorite.Lesley Logan 5:38  Hold on, I have to go back. Save Tonight. That's another one-hit wonder. Brad Crowell 5:43  Yeah. Eagle-Eye Cherry, I would never have been able to tell you the name of the band.Lesley Logan 5:48  Yeah. Okay. Anyways, go ahead. 2000 Brad Crowell 5:49  All right. 2000s. Lesley Logan 5:50  A great time for fashion. Brad Crowell 5:52  Yeah. Teenage Dirtbag by Wheatus. Lesley Logan 5:56  Oh, that. I need. Brad Crowell 5:57  I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby.Lesley Logan 6:00  Dirt bag, baby. Oh, my god.Brad Crowell 6:03  Or Somebody That I Used to Know by Gautier. Lesley Logan 6:07  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 6:08  You're just somebody that I used to know. Gnarls Barkley, I don't know if he's really a one-hit wonder, because he has a career and but, but he's also part of another group, all the things.Lesley Logan 6:20  Is this I Wasn't Me? Brad Crowell 6:21  No, crazy.Lesley Logan 6:23  Oh, okay, but isn't he the same person who Wasn't Me? Brad Crowell 6:26  Wasn't me. I don't think so. Lesley Logan 6:29  Okay, this is exactly what people want to hear. They're yelling at us in their videos. I want you, if you're yelling at as right now, tell us who.Lesley Logan 6:36  2010's Psy. Lesley Logan 6:38  Psy. Brad Crowell 6:39  Yeah. Gangnam Style.Lesley Logan 6:41  Oh, that. That's an annoying that's like the Macarena. It makes me mad.Brad Crowell 6:45  I think it became like the most watched YouTube video in history, or something like that. I can't remember. And then here we go. Now we've got other notables. Vanessa Carlton, 1000 Miles. Oh, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, The impression I Get, yeah, that's the 90s. 1000 Miles is 2002. Anyway, if you have a favorite one-hit wonder that we did not cover here, you have to make sure you let us know. Lesley Logan 7:18  I guess, when do we find out it's a one-hit wonder? Because, like, is there any one-hit wonders that are recent, you know, or is it like we don't it doesn't happen because, like, the labels don't even make any, you know, risks, take any risks anymore. You know what? I have a one-hit wonder for everyone. It's not happened yet, but I believe in it. There is a great turkey song that you can all go listen to our dear friend, Geoffro. This is going to be a definite one-hit wonder. He is not a one hit wonder. He is a Grammy Award winning writer, but he has a gobble song that we can all, as a Be It group, make a one-hit wonder, if you go to Spotify right now and listen to this. Brad Crowell 8:00  Really hilarious turkey song. Lesley Logan 8:01  Hilarious Thanksgiving song in September.Brad Crowell 8:06  Geoffro is G-E-O-F-F-R-O. If you're really curious about this, ping us and I'll send you a link. So I looked it up at what time after a band is out, do we decide that it's a one-hit wonder band? There's no official rule, but there is an understood 10-year rule. The music industry observers often consider an artist a one-hit wonder if they fail to produce another significant chart topping hit within 10 years of their initial success.Lesley Logan 8:30  10 you've 10 years to have another hit. You guys, did you hear that?Brad Crowell 8:34  Chart-topping. So that's like getting drafted to the NBA twice.Lesley Logan 8:39  Okay. Regardless, uh, that means, everyone, you are allowed to have two amazing goals happen in 10 years and still be considered ridiculously amazing. And so don't like, don't worry about how long the valley is in between, because you too could have another hit. Brad Crowell 8:57  Ain't no valley. Lesley Logan 8:58  Oh, but that's not a one-hit wonder. That, in fact, is a wonderful song, which we're not going to sing right now because we got to move on. Lesley Logan 9:05  You guys, next week we're going to be in Chicago, P.O.T. Chicago at Burr Ridge. We're going to celebrate our 10-year wedding anniversary. I'm gonna teach at Joe gyms, Joe's gyms. You gotta check it out. I don't think there's any spots left, but if, you should always come by.Brad Crowell 9:19  Yeah, come hang at the booth. Just come say hello, you know.Lesley Logan 9:22  I should always just check because sometimes people can't make it and someone's trying to sell a ticket, so go check it out. Also in October, which is next week. So we're gonna go to Cambodia. We're gonna fly from Chicago to Cambodia. Yeah, I'm shipping clothes home. This is not I'm shipping clothes to somewhere, and I don't even understand the weather that we are doing in this world. Brad Crowell 9:41  Yeah, maybe I'll ship clothes home too. That's not a bad idea. Lesley Logan 9:44  Yeah because, like, what? What are we going to do with Chicago clothes in Cambodia? Yeah. Also, we kind of just stay indoors the whole time so, but whatever, still gonna send some clothes home. You can go to crowesnestretreats.com to sign up for next year's Cambodia retreat. There's an amazing waitlist you can get on. Brad Crowell 10:03  Yeah, get on the waitlist because in January, we're going to be making a big announcement about the dates and all the things and doing the early bird, so.Lesley Logan 10:10  People on the wait list, get the best early bird. Brad Crowell 10:12  People on the waitlist get the early bird. Lesley Logan 10:14  And if it sells on the early bird, well, then that's all. Then we're going to go to, on our way home from Cambodia, we're gonna hit Singapore. We have a long layover. We're going to do a little bit Botanical Garden viewing, but we're also gonna teach some Pilates there. So I'm super, super excited about that. I don't even know if you can go, but I'll be there. Brad Crowell 10:29  No, it's a closed event. Lesley Logan 10:30  It's closed event. But Brad, so Brad just wants to make sure, you know, we're gonna be in Singapore. Brad Crowell 10:33  That's where we're gonna be. Lesley Logan 10:34  And you can't come. Brad Crowell 10:35  No, sorry. Lesley Logan 10:36  Sorry. In December, we're also going to be on winter tour, and we're actually announcing that next week. Opc.me/events, October 1st. Brad Crowell 10:46  October 1st y'all. Get ready.Lesley Logan 10:47  We have people who are like, when is it announcing? When is it announcing? You better be on opc.me/events, because they're gonna get a special email, then our list gets email, then it does get posted on the socials. But you know the algorithm, so you're gonna want to make sure this is gonna be the coolest event, and I want to see you at several locations. I'm just saying, I'm demanding that. So before we get into the amazing. Lesley Logan 11:08  I mean, this past tour, this past summer tour, we had multiple people at multiple events.Lesley Logan 11:12  I think I also just want to announce, can I? I'm going to add two more things, because it's now officially announced, we could talk about it. So January, we're going to be at the Pilates Expo, so that you want to be the Pilates Journal Expo will be there with a booth, and I'll be teaching. And then. Brad Crowell 11:26  Where is that? Lesley Logan 11:28  It's in Huntington Beach. But there it says L.A. so it's L.A. adjacent. It's in Huntington Beach, (inaudible) in January is stunning, wonderful. And we're going to be there. The dates, I don't remember, but they're, they're kind of like that right after we're done with winter tour, we're like, just going to keep the tour bus, going to be completely honest, and then we are going to go, we'll be home for a little bit. Then in March, I'm going to be in Poland at the Contrology conference in Poland, with Karen Frischman, and then Karen, Brad and I are going to do a little backpacking around the lovely Europe for a couple days, and we're going to land in Belgium, and I can officially announce we are teaching in Brussels at Elle's studio. Pillow Tells, and we're having a really wonderful conference with Elle's and Karen and I. So I don't have a link for that in the moment we're recording, but I promise you, if you go, if you just Google.Brad Crowell 12:23  I just want to make a clarification. It's not the Pilates Expo, it's the Pilates Journal Expo. Lesley Logan 12:29  Yeah, I said that. Brad Crowell 12:30  Okay. Pilates Journal Expo, yeah. So search for the Pilates journal Expo 2026, and you'll find the one that Lesley is at. They are tickets are open. I think for that now.Brad Crowell 12:42  Yeah they're open. Lesley Logan 12:43  So yeah, definitely check it out. Yep, and then, and then Poland, and then Brussels, so that takes you all the way into end of March. So Europe, it's not technically a tour, but we got two places, so you better come. You better come I'm telling you, don't even know what 2027 has in store. Barely can keep up with what's going on right now. Just saying. So anyways, okay, now, before we get with Wendy, we have to answer one of the wonderful questions that came in. Lesley Logan 13:13  We sure do. All right, betterdaypilates is asking, hey, I'm not a foot this isn't a footwork question per se, per se, but footwork related, what are your thoughts on an unpadded foot bar? Lesley Logan 13:27  Love it. Brad Crowell 13:28  Betterdaypilates, I can already tell you the answer is, better than a padded foot bar. Why? Feedback. Oh, shoot. Because also safety. Oh, shoot. Brad, jumping in for the win here, okay, you can take over. Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, I think some people would argue that the padded bars are less slippery, so they'll there's a, here's a deal on. Brad Crowell 13:48  If your feet are like, crusty or slimy, then sure you're gonna slide, but. Lesley Logan 13:54  Some people have sweaty palms. Brad Crowell 13:56  I mean, I guess so. I personally would just have chalk in the studio for that. I think it would make it stickier, though it's metal. Brad Crowell 14:02  You would, one would think, but I think it depends on the person. But anyway, I agree with you on all of that, just because you can have a better grip on the foot bar with an unpadded bar, you can feel it. It is. We are. We need to teach grip strength. Grip strength does not come from hanging out in wrist. So I love an unpadded foot bar so when your hands are on, you can actually get your forearms on. I love it on the feet. I know people were. Brad Crowell 14:25  You were thinking about with your hands. Of course, I was thinking about it with my feet. Lesley Logan 14:29  Yeah, yeah. So with feet, I love it because you're right feedback, um, a football, a foot pad, a foot bar. It's really easy for you not to notice that your foot is pushing harder on one side than the other. Also, those who think it's gonna be painful. The actual reality is, if you're doing footwork correctly, unless you have a like, like, a literal foot condition, like some sometimes diabetics, or some people with like, neuropathy, you actually are not feeling the metal on your foot because you're not pushing from the knee. You're pushing from the whole center. And so if you're doing it, if you're doing footwork correctly, even on four springs, I do not feel pain. And I used to have, like, like, I kind of don't have any fat on the bottom of my big toe ball of my foot, but it doesn't, I don't feel it as painful I thought I would. I truly did. I remember, I remember the studio when they're like, oh, we're gonna take the pads off the foot bars. I'm like, I just, I just was like, oh my god. I literally thought to myself, they're gonna lose all their business. Like, that's what I thought. I fucking love it. I love it. Take the pad off. I promise you'll love it. If you have an if you've a question and you want to answer to a question, any kind of question, you can go to beitpod.questions and submit your questions, or your win, beitpod.com/question?Brad Crowell 15:41  Yes.Lesley Logan 15:41  Yeah, that's what I said. Brad Crowell 15:43  Say it again. Lesley Logan 15:45  BeItPod.com/questions, yes.Lesley Logan 15:47  Or you can text us at 310-905-5534.Brad Crowell 15:51  310-905-5534Lesley Logan 15:56  We still haven't, see, it's really easy see, we still haven't purchased like, 310 be it pod.Brad Crowell 16:03  We're not gonna do that. Lesley Logan 16:05  Why? I think it's so much more easy to remember. Don't you remember like, the oh, you know, like 805, called, got junk. Like, yeah. All right, let's talk about Wendy Valentine. Brad Crowell 16:19  Stick around. We'll be right back.Brad Crowell 16:21  All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about Wendy Valentine. Wendy is an author and the host of the midlife makeover show, and is often described as a magical beam of light, known for her energy and constant evolving.Lesley Logan 16:36  Please add something like that to my bio. She's often talked about as a magical beam of light, I would like it added to my bio.Brad Crowell 16:44  You're just a red-headed magical beam of light. Lesley Logan 16:46  Yeah. Brad Crowell 16:47  At 45 Wendy overcame divorce, chronic illness and $150,000 of debt, pivoting from unemployment. Pivoting is I hate that word. She figured out a way to get out of unemployment. And then had corporate success, and then she quit her corporate success and to follow her passions, which is pretty (inaudible).Lesley Logan 17:09  Yeah, she like, got in and out and, like, really, yeah, within a couple of years, I think we hate pivot guys, because we are tired of being the pivoters. Like, we're so good at pivoting and like, I can't fucking pivot one more time before I'm turned back the way I started. I'm just gonna say it right now. Brad Crowell 17:22  Well, Wendy pivoted into authoring Women Waking Up: The Midlife Manifesto for PassionPurpose and Play. She's providing guidance through her robust framework for individuals seeking to make significant shifts in their lives, especially during pivotal periods like midlife. Lesley Logan 17:40  That's a better pivotal. Brad Crowell 17:41  That's a better pivotal, that's a pivotal, that's a real pivotal.Lesley Logan 17:45  I don't know why we just started critiquing a bio. Alright. Brad Crowell 17:48  It's a bio we wrote. Lesley Logan 17:49  Yeah, it's a bio we wrote. Brad Crowell 17:51  We wrote it. Lesley Logan 17:51  So that's not how we treat our guests. We wrote that one.Brad Crowell 17:55  Wendy kicks ass and takes names. And it's amazing. You know, it's always, it's always fascinating to me to meet someone who is divorced, because if they're out and about and they're putting their their best foot forward, you're meeting them and you're like, This person is so cool. How could they have been in a relationship that didn't go well, right? And.Brad Crowell 18:21  I agree I understand what you mean, because you. Brad Crowell 18:22  Do you know what I mean. Like, we meet them and we're like, wow, I love this person. How did, how did it, how did it all break down and, and I, I want to say that her bio kind of, I feel like her bio is something that we often overlook in that assumption, and that she pivoted. She made major changes from where who she was and where she was and what she wanted and all the things to who she is today. So now that we're meeting her, she's had this massive life experience that forced change, forced self- reflection, and she's come out the other side a magical beam of light.Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I think, like, you know, especially if you get divorced in your 40s, right? Like she had a kid, like she had a whole life, and, you know, life turned out differently than she expected. And it does when you're when you're into your 20s, like, this is how my life's gonna be. And then you get to your 30s, like, thank fucking god, it didn't turn out like that. But some people got married in there and so.Brad Crowell 19:29  Well, I feel like that, like, and the reason that I, I am reflecting on that is because I feel like that happened for me too in in that. Lesley Logan 19:36  Oh, were you hoping I say how did you get divorced? How could anyone let you go?Brad Crowell 19:40  Yes, this was really just a long fishing excursion for you to compliment me. You're lucky to catch me, babe. No, I even it personally, in my own self-love, who I was before, I thought I knew who I was and I felt confident, sort of, but after that experience, then I actually was like, I had spent the better part of a year just working on me, just thinking about me, thinking about my actions, my thoughts, the things that I was doing, and making decisions on those instead of spending like coasting through or floating through or just not really being attuned to any of that stuff, like we often get into these, these grooves, these ruts, and that don't realize, because you're forced into this, this period of self-reflection and introspection, I feel like you come out the other side feeling better, you know, hopefully, yeah. Lesley Logan 20:46  Yeah. I think so. I think also, anytime something literally changes your life, like you're lit where you wake up, who you wake up with, where you wake up, all that, all that stuff you it has to change you, and if it doesn't, you get to do it again. That's how life goes. Here's I liked. She said she critiques the often big advice, like, be your authentic self. Love her. Brad Crowell 21:10  Be authentic. Lesley Logan 21:11  My god, when we first saw this podcast, you remember like we had so many people whose be it action was like, get to know yourself. Be authentic. And I was like, so we're gonna need to understand, how do you do that? Brad Crowell 21:22  How? Lesley Logan 21:23  How do you do that? Brad Crowell 21:23  How does one get to know themselves? Lesley Logan 21:26  She said, she clarified, it's not learning who you are to become. It's learning who you are not. I love that, because I think a lot of people start with what they want or who they want to be, but you certainly know who you don't want to be. You certainly know what you don't like and what you don't want to be. I think that sometimes it's easier to start with, like, I don't want to be that, so I want to be that. Then what changes do I have to make? If I don't want to be person who who mopes around all the time, well then what are you gonna do? You know? So I really, I really liked that. And she said, oh, she, she, she used an analogy of Michelangelo's carving, David, where he just, is it Michelangelo or David? Brad Crowell 22:08  Michelangelo's carving of David. Lesley Logan 22:09  Of David. Clearly, I'm not. Hello, guys, my family was a was poor.Brad Crowell 22:13  Our history 17 over there. Lesley Logan 22:15  Well, okay, let me just tell you, there was no art history in my schooling. I was a poor girl at public school known art history, and my family doesn't have art because that's expensive stuff. So I am not educated. So Michelangelo's carving of the David, where he just carved everything away that was not him.Brad Crowell 22:35  Yep. Lesley Logan 22:36  You don't like the word of the David. Brad Crowell 22:37  It's not the David. Lesley Logan 22:38  It's just David. Lesley Logan 22:39  It's just David carving dvid, carving of David. Yeah, is this David?Lesley Logan 22:45  Somebody? Where is it? When the one from the Bible? Is it just a random David?Brad Crowell 22:49  I'm pretty sure it's David from the Bible. Let me find out now, because (inaudible).Lesley Logan 22:52  Like David of David and Goliath,Brad Crowell 22:55  they say Michelangelo's David because it's called the statue is called David. But who is David? Michael and David? No one. Lesley Logan 23:10  GDavid is, come on chat GPT. Come on right. Be faster. People are waiting.Lesley Logan 23:18  They're yelling at us. They already know.Lesley Logan 23:20  Doesn't actually say, oh, so we don't it could be any David. Brad Crowell 23:22  No, I don't think so. She was somebody. Lesley Logan 23:22  Like from Schitt's Creek. It's David from Schitt's Creek. Brad Crowell 23:22  No, it's, okay, so, it is from the biblical story of David, the tale of a young shepherd boy who served the Israelites. So David and Goliath. David, pretty sure it's that David.Lesley Logan 23:38  Okay, that David, um, I think we like that. David, all right. Anyways, she advised. Brad Crowell 23:43  Did some good things, did some not so good things. Lesley Logan 23:45  Right, I'm pretty sure later in life. Brad Crowell 23:47  He's human. Lesley Logan 23:48  Yeah, um, we're all allowed to be a little human. Uh, she advised, so he caught so Michelangelo essentially carved everything was not him. And I kind of like that, like, you're just chiseling away at what's not you. Like, it's like when you clean out your closet, like, Jessica Papineau's episode, right? You got to get rid of the clothes that no longer represent who you are.Brad Crowell 24:07  I love that. And I think that's, that's a great comparison. Actually, I love that. Lesley Logan 24:11  Well, it's something we can actually apply to ourselves, since none of us are going on carving statues. I mean, maybe three listeners are. But like, I'm certain.Brad Crowell 24:18  We did end up at a sculptor's studio here in Vegas. And I was, like, intrigued, because she's been doing it for something like 50 or so years. And it was like, Wow. What a it's she made it way more hobby. She turned it into a business. Lesley Logan 24:31  It's called Romancing the Stone. Brad Crowell 24:33  Yes, it is. That's what it's called. That's impressive.Lesley Logan 24:37  Well, it's because I, like, thought about the movie, but I was never like, I just remember sitting in that place going, he's gonna want to take a class here. And I this is a skill set, I can tell you right now don't have, I don't have the patience to carve away what's not this rock. So anyways, she also explained that sometimes we know the things that are not us because we still cling to it for comfort. That's why people stick around to people that treat 'em like shit or a job they hate, because it's comfortable. It's not uncomfortable enough. Brad Crowell 25:11  Yeah, I think it's also fear, you know, fear of the unknown. I think that comfort and fear kind of go hand in hand. Believe it or not, you feel comfortable, but you're actually afraid to make change. Yeah, so you're unwilling to, like, take a risk?Lesley Logan 25:26  What is it? Like, the, the the villain you know, or the, what is it? What's the saying? Like. Brad Crowell 25:31  The devil you know is a. Lesley Logan 25:32  The devil you know it's the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. But, like, so negative, because, like, you're assuming there's always a double out there. Anyways, there's a story about a dog that. Brad Crowell 25:44  Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. Lesley Logan 25:47  Yeah. That's, you know what that is, you guys, the patriarchy trying to keep you small. That's what that is. It's like the penny saved is a penny earned bullshit. All those things are bullshit.Brad Crowell 25:57  That's a Malarkey, right there. Lesley Logan 25:59  Yeah. So, um, but, uh, but I also I just think, like, I go, we can go back to Gay Hendrickson. We all have a little bit of fear when we step outside our comfort zone. But you got to do it if you want to have the life that you want to have. It just doesn't happen in the way. If it was going to happen in the life you're having now, you'd have it already, right? Brad Bizjack is going to have an episode coming out really soon in October. Stay tuned. But the other day, he mentioned something like, you know, what got you here won't take you there. Brad Crowell 26:28  Yeah, yeah. I think it's good to clarify that, because if it was going to happen in the life you have right now, meaning, if the thing that you want was going to happen, why wouldn't have it have already happened today, right? Like, why wouldn't it have happened to date?Lesley Logan 26:43  Doing doing the exact same things over and over again, expecting a different result is insanity.Brad Crowell 26:48  So, I mean, that's not, that's yes, but yes, it is not a you have to change in order to get attain, or grow, or any of those things.Lesley Logan 26:58  If you hate your job, but you never look for another job, the likelihood of a job landing in your lap isn't going to happen unless you're telling people, I want a new job.Brad Crowell 27:07  Yeah, yeah. I mean, and putting that out there allows people to start, you know, responding to you, responding to that, thinking about you. You are constantly thinking about that. You know, it's you gotta, you gotta take action. Y'all take action. Lesley Logan 27:27  What do you like? Brad Crowell 27:27  My favorite thing was, when she was talking about comfort zone, we were just kind of covering it. But the comfort zone, it is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there, and I'm not and like, it's just another way to talk about, like, what we were just saying that I've never really thought about, I don't know, like we have these goals and what's going to happen, like, we want to get to this place or or build this thing, or have a house, or I don't buy a car, or whatever it is, like, whatever the goal is, Right? And then when we get it, you know, I think, I think that there's a time to we can allow ourselves to enjoy the thing, and we should. It's important to celebrate, right? But that shouldn't be the end of the story, right? We're not going to celebrate forever. We're not going to enjoy it forever. There's, I think, like there. This is where this idea of balance, like there's, there's a, imagine, if you're, let's think about about, like a work week. Imagine if the work week, you take the weekend to enjoy the fishing boat that you bought, because you use it, you go out and you use it. But then during the week, you're doing what you're moving the ball forward with life with, you know, there's you're creating growth. And this idea that the comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there, you know, unless you're trying to become a pro fishermen you know, or woman, you're not going out on the fishing boat to practice. You're going out in the fishing boat to enjoy. It's a comfort. It's a comfort, but, but nothing's growing there, you know, except maybe your beer belly, right? Because you're just throwing them back. Lesley Logan 29:09  It's an interesting analogy. I can follow it, I think so.Brad Crowell 29:15  She quoted Marianne Williamson. She said, our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. I don't know. I'm like, she's I think she's an interesting lady, yet she's very influential. But I think that, I don't think that people are afraid that they're powerful. I think that's a that's like, that's an interesting, intriguing thing to say, but I don't think anybody thinks about themselves being powerful and being afraid of that, unless maybe, if they're a parent, maybe then they're like, oh my god, I'm in I have I'm responsible for somebody's life. There's power there.Lesley Logan 29:53  I certainly hope every parent thinks that. I really wonder. Brad Crowell 29:56  I really hope so. But. Lesley Logan 29:58  Our listeners, who are parents, do. So I hear you. I don't, because I don't go wrong. I'm so powerful. I'm going to, like, I don't. I often think, like, oh my god, I'm not good enough for this, but I understand the sentiment. And so if we just put a different person's name on there, I think you probably wouldn't doubt it so much. Brad is just showing his true colors on Marianne Williamson, I actually think that is I, I actually think I can explain that sentence too. So many people's goals actually scare them. You don't think of a goal in life that you want to do. Nothing comes to your mind of something that you desire to do unless you had the power to do it right. And so I think their goals are exciting, and then scare the fuck out of them. And so I think that that's what the deepest fear is (inaudible) because they're what they what everybody here believe, like, someday I'm going to be doing X, but then they go, then they have to, like, take the next step, and it's like, oh, how am I going to do that? You know, like, and so I actually think that that's where the line is, but.Brad Crowell 31:03  I just, I just went to a rally where somebody made an announcement that they were going to run for a political office, and and I immediately felt scared for them, of like, oh my god, this is like a really tall order, like, this is a this is a huge this felt intimidating, and it created this fear. And it was really weird, because it was a relatively intimate setting. And she, she jokingly said, Does anybody think I'm crazy? And I raised my hand, and she said, Oh, you have a question? And I said, no, I think you're crazy to the whole crowd. I said, But crazy in a good way. I said, this. This creates a lot of fear in me, but it's the kind of fear that makes you want to go do the thing. It's not like the fear of that, like, incapacitating fear, but it's that, like, it's like, if anybody's ever done skydiving, there's that moment where you're leaning out of the plane and you're like, holy shit, I'm about to do this, right? And, yeah, so, you know, I think, you know, there's something to that, like, that's, that's kind of fear, that is, like, it is motivating, yeah, you know what I mean.Lesley Logan 32:28  Yeah, I do. I think it's really great. I think that, like, I really just like what Wendy said, let's go back to when quoting Wendy, yeah, which is the comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothing ever grows there. Like, a comfort zone is like laying on your couch every night watching binge watching Netflix, but wishing you had a friend or a partner. Nothing's growing on that fucking couch. Nothing so you know, what else?Brad Crowell 32:52  Yeah. Well, that just made me think of your coffee for two things. I thought, I think it's I just really think it's cool that you were very intentional about how you were building your life so that you weren't just sitting on the couch, or weren't just working yourself to death. You know, in the middle of working hard.Lesley Logan 33:09  I also saved every Thursday night for a date night. Would not let a fry, would not hang out with a friend if nothing had nothing, no one asked. I just went home on a Thursday night. I saved that night and I saved Christmas for a partner. Look what I got.Brad Crowell 33:25  That's right, you're lucky to have me. Lesley Logan 33:26  I got a divorcee who would ever let him go.Brad Crowell 33:32  Wendy said when you get to the other side of that comfort that is more beautiful, and yes, you will then grow. So comfort, I feel like has its place, but it's also it can be like a sticking point. So, yeah, I think it's great. I think, you know, there's a time for it, but there's also a time to keep moving. Yeah. Brad Crowell 33:57  Well, stick around. We, by the way, I don't know if we said this yet, except for the very beginning, but Wendy is a fireball of energy.Lesley Logan 34:08  Oh, if you haven't listened, you need to go, she's like a cold shower in a good way, you know. Brad Crowell 34:13  Yeah, it's such a fun conversation. Lesley Logan 34:16  If you're having a funky day, you gotta go listen to it. You'll have an unfunky day. Brad Crowell 34:20  Yes, love it. Lesley Logan 34:21  I'm pretty sure that this recap is one of the weirdest you've ever listened to, so.Brad Crowell 34:24  Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to cover those epic Be It Action Items that we got from Wendy, that she made up on the treadmill right before while she's doing her workout, right before your interview. So we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 34:38  All right, so finally, all right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. Say it with me, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Wendy Valentine? Lesley Logan 34:52  Well, why don't you start? Brad Crowell 34:53  Yeah, so she made up her own Be It framework, and she said, B become your own BFF. She really is focused on self-love, I think that was one of the things that she learned after going through her midlife crisis. She said you've got to stop that ticker tape of thoughts, the negative thoughts, and replace it with something really good, friendly thoughts. E, envision, envision who you want to become, not just the what, who you want to become, not just the what. Right? I is invite her in, act as if, literally say every single day, act like the woman or person you want to become, right? So invite her in. And then T she said take it. Lesley Logan 35:37  Take action. Brad Crowell 35:38  Take it. She asked how do you get courage? By taking action. Leap and then network will appear, right? So I love it. I think that's a great spin on, you know, bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted.Lesley Logan 35:51  And she gave more. But also I feel like we should like save this, because this is a great way to describe what being it till you see it is. From the beam of light of Wendy Valentine. She defined it for us. She also said she heard Deepak Deepak Chopra say, feel your way through life. Feel your way through life. And so she advised, no matter what we were doing, to ask ourselves, how does it feel, and more importantly, how does it feel to who you are becoming and the life you're creating? Does it does it lie? Does it align? That's, that's not a one-hit wonder, but it's a great song. She also said stop overthinking. Just feel your way through life. I, actually, I know that can scare people, because they're like, I they're like, holding a tight grip on life, because, if they like, let go, chaos is gonna happen. It's gonna fucking happen anyways. That's life. I tell you right now, on one of these days, we'll tell you about how hot the house got and how we had to move a workshop.Brad Crowell 36:48  Oh that was so fun. Lesley Logan 36:49  You know, like, it doesn't matter how planned out your life is, how well you thought about all the things, how many reminders you sent things, the AC can still blow because it's not like it has a warning symbol. So I'm just telling you all, explode. So stop overthinking and feel your way through. Because I promise you, if you can take that like, just feel your way through and then your tight grip on reality, I think you're gonna land right there in the middle. So.Brad Crowell 37:16  It's a win.Lesley Logan 37:17  I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 37:18  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 37:19  Thank you so much for listening to our amazing episode, I have to say, let us know if you like how the wheels fell off today, and if you think it was great, or if you want us to go back to how we've done it before. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 37:33  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 37:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 38:18  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 38:23  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 38:27  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 38:34  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 38:37  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

During this episode of ROCKnVINO, hosts Coco and Michelle talk with Michael John Ahern, volunteer Director of Entertainment for Acoustic Sunsets at Sonoma Botanical Garden in Glen Ellen. This is the second year of the Acoustic Sunsets concert series, which happens every Wednesday evening from 5pm to 8pm through the end of October. The beautiful amphitheater is a perfect spot for a picnic and a variety of local acts. The stage is flanked by two large bird sculptures from the Winged Wonders exhibit. And the gardens are also open to explore, with a wonderful selection of plants from Asia.  ROCKnVINO is sponsored by American AgCredit.

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Sam speaks to Myra Woodley from Vision Australia and Mikaela Day from Kay and Burton about the upcoming Santa Fun Run, taking place on 22 November at the Botanical Gardens in Melbourne. You can find out more about the Santa Fun Run and grab you early bird tickets by heading to the Santa Fun Run website. You'll also hear from blind and low vision indoor skydiver Tom Kennedy, he catches up with Sam to chat about his first indoor skydiving competition, meeting with fellow indoor skydiver Jo Cabot and much more.Support this Vision Australia Radio program: https://www.visionaustralia.org/donate?src=radio&type=0&_ga=2.182040610.46191917.1644183916-1718358749.1627963141See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Celebrate the magic of fall and the richness of Hispanic Heritage Month with us as we journey through the Dallas Arboretum and Botanical Garden. In this episode of Big Blend Radio's "Travel with Terri" Show, travel writer Terrie Guthrie explores the spectacular Autumn at the Dallas Arboretum & Botanical Garden: ¡Mundo México! event, running from Sept. 20 through Nov. 2, 2025. The conversation highlights how the Dallas Arboretum, a premier fall attraction, has been transformed with over 110,000 pumpkins, gourds, and squash to create an unprecedented celebration of Mexican living culture, contemporary art, and biodiversity. We delve into the stunning pumpkin village, creative art installations, and the importance of this event in fostering community engagement and creating lasting family memories. Discover why this immersive cultural experience positions Dallas as a national destination for cultural tourism. Key Takeaways: - The Dallas Arboretum is a beloved year-round destination. - The event features a festival-wide transformation with over 110,000 pumpkins, gourds, and squash. - ¡Mundo México! celebrates Mexican culture, art, and biodiversity. - The pumpkin village is a main highlight, showcasing creative pumpkin houses inspired by Mexican regions. - The gardens feature plants and art installations that tell cultural stories. - Family-friendly events at the Arboretum are designed to create lasting memories. - The festival has helped position Dallas as a national destination for cultural tourism. For more information and to plan your visit, check out the official Dallas Arboretum website: https://www.dallasarboretum.org/  Follow Terri's adventures: https://travelwithterri.net/     https://www.instagram.com/travelwithterri/   https://www.youtube.com/@travelwithterri    https://www.facebook.com/travelwithterrifromtexas   

In this episode of Cincinnati Zoo Tales, we celebrate 150 years of the Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden with Director Thane Maynard. Thane reflects on the Zoo's incredible journey since its founding in 1875, sharing fascinating stories from the past and highlighting how far the Zoo has come. From its earliest days as one of the nation's first zoos to today's role as a leader in animal care, conservation, and sustainability, listeners will get an inside look at the milestones, challenges, and inspiring transformations that shaped the Zoo's legacy.

Selby Botanical Gardens found itself in the awkward position of having to field legal arguments to be allowed to cut down grand trees that enjoy special protections by the City of Sarasota. We explain.Next: The ongoing immigration crackdown has thrown one Bradenton family into extreme distress. Ramon Lopez talked to a mother of two who is homebound facing a serious health challenge.Then: Sarasota clerics are organizing weekly prayer vigils in support of immigrants. We have the details. Next: Free speech on campus is in the spotlight. We talked to a watchdog group that ranks universities' free speech environment, to find out why Florida colleges are not looking good.

Peter Bernhardt reviews the approach of the Missouri Botanical Garden's new president Lúcia G. Lohmann.

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Brad and Lesley recap her conversation with franchise expert Jon Ostenson, unpacking how non-food franchising helps risk-averse entrepreneurs own a business without reinventing the wheel. They highlight funding paths, corporate support, and why following the playbook matters. You will hear practical ways to start while keeping your day job and how Jon's services are paid by franchisors, not you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:When to treat Reformer footwork differently from leg press.How franchise ownership works even if you keep your day job.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Why matching your strengths to the right franchise matters.Common mistakes franchisees make when they don't follow the playbook.The mindset shifts around seeing $50K as possible, not impossible.Episode References/Links:Indivisible Movement - https://indivisible.orgBook: She Caused A Riot by Hannah Jewell - https://a.co/d/cGhs5UYP.O.T. 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How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do. Then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing.Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the supporting convo I had with Jon Ostenson in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us, or listen to this one, and then you can decide if you want to listen that one. I think it's great. Jon has a book. It's really wonderful. It's a very niche topic. It's a nerdy topic. It's one I wanted to have because I don't think entrepreneurs, I'm like, making your own idea is for everybody, but I do think everybody deserves to have the wealth and agency that they want to have in this world and make what they want to make. So I'm excited about it. Brad Crowell 1:30  Well, I thought I really liked, I really liked the conversation. I was very I mean, especially for me, because I am very entrepreneurial, but I appreciated the back and forth. So, yeah, I, I think that it was very revealing. Lesley Logan 1:51  Are you saying it was a great interview? Did I do a good job? Brad Crowell 1:51  I'm saying it was a great interview. Not only that, but I think the information that he's sharing is shocking. He's super smart dude, and I thought, I thought it was very revealing for someone who might be hoping, wishing they could own a business. This was very empowering, because it, it created hope I think. So, yeah, great. Lesley Logan 2:17  I well, you'll, you guys, stay tuned. You'll hear what we're talking about in a second. Today is September 11th, 2025 and it's Patriot Day, which gives us all time to reflect on the devastating terror attacks that took 3000 lives. We commemorate those who we lost, and give thanks to the brave responders who put their lives on the line. Take a moment today to consider what we stand for as a nation, how we can work together to make the world a better place for all. It's a hard day. Brad Crowell 2:39  Yeah, I mean.Lesley Logan 2:40  Especially with 20, with 25 years to reflect on what fucking lies we're told afterwards, and then how we treat the first responders and how fucking hard it was to get their medical bills paid because they're dying from cancer right now. Like.Brad Crowell 2:56  Yeah, it's like, it's like a story that keeps repeating itself where something devastating happens that is wrong and tragic. People die and then motherfuckers in office take advantage of the public's emotional state, and they use it to go do some wrong shit. Lesley Logan 3:18  Go, so seriously, go watch the movie Vice. I happen to be really lucky to be teaching Christian Bale's wife at the time that he was filming that. And so it was a really interesting time, because, like, he was becoming Dick Cheney, which, like, it is a, I mean, of course, he won an, I think he won a bunch of awards for that. And he literally thanked Satan for the inspiration. Brad Crowell 3:41  Yes, he did. Lesley Logan 3:37  And I remember, I remember my client. I remember my client was, my client was just like, I fucking told him not to do that, or something like that. And so anyways, but go watch it, because it, while it's not historical, it is pretty fucking accurate about like, how rich Cheney and these bitches got after doing what they did and using, using the heartbreak, and what people fought with patriotism to go make these fucking wars, and then we did a bunch of bullshit, and then we ruined places. And it just pisses me off, because. Brad Crowell 4:04  Over, over, lies. Lesley Logan 4:09  Lies and so. And also, if you don't believe in September 11th being what it was like, I don't know why you're here, but like, I, I just really.Brad Crowell 4:18  Well, it was, I mean, it was a terrorist attack, no question. But what we did after it, how the public was manipulated, to then go to war for 20 years after, based on literal lies, you know.Lesley Logan 4:30  Yeah, it's, I it's hard because, like, okay, reflecting on what we consider as a nation today, I think, as an I think the people running our nation today reflect something I would never want to be a patriot of.Brad Crowell 4:42  Yeah, and that that's, that's the thing that really frustrates me as a person who, when you read the definition of patriot, I want to be that. That is absolutely, I mean, I consider myself a patriot. But also there's this, there's this frustrating association with angry white men, usually, who don't give a shit about people. And there's so much fear of others associated with it. And there's this ego that's associated with it that.Lesley Logan 5:17  It's, it's so it's so fragile. What they're like, they're thinking is so they are. They're such fragile people. Because they're just like, they're the way that they think, that they're showing strength. And we're like, protesting, they're like, like, making sure that we see the middle finger, and like, just like, and it's like, I have never driven in my entire life, of driving past something, we're talking about this with the protest where I disagree. Brad Crowell 5:39  We used to live by protests all the time, where we lived in L.A., we're literally next to the federal building, so it was like, every weekend, forever.Lesley Logan 5:45  Every weekend, it was like, who's protesting today? And like, there were times I was like, oh, I wonder why. It made me get curious as to, like, what is going on here. It was very fascinating. And it was like, what the fuck like, but I never was like, here's my middle finger to you. It's like, just, you know, move along. Move right along. The fact that you have to make sure I see your face in your lifted stupid truck while you flip me off, it makes you and that makes you feel good. You're like, yeah, I did it to them. I did it like, we were in Idaho, and there was a big ass sign in this guy's house. I was walking by the lake, and it was like, make liberals cry again, and it's like, oh, you think I'm crying. I'm pissed off. Like the tears of the tears are of what we are losing, of course, but like, no, I'm pissed off. James Baldwin, I want to, I want to make sure everyone hears this quote, because I think it's really beautiful, and I think it's this is what being a patriot is. I love America more than any other country in the world, and exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. And I think that, like, this country has so many shortcomings, and no country is perfect. Like, I was listening to Sophia Bush on a podcast recently, and she's like, like, I'm not gonna move because, like, I love this place. I'm gonna fight for her. And so, like, if you moved and whatever, like, I have no judgments for that, but if you're here, like, you have to fight, because we're losing rights. We're losing rights. And it really pisses me off, because in the time of my mother being an adult and married woman, she could not get a credit card until, like, the 80s, right? Like, like, I if you're listening to this and you're just like, la, la, la, I just want to hear about how to be till I see it. Ladies, you are going to lose your ability to have your own bank account. You're gonna lose your ability to have your own vote. And if you think it's not going to happen because, oh, it's not going to happen. It's they want it to happen. And the right people are in power. And I'm tired of being told that Project 2025 is bullshit. It is happening right now. Lesley Logan 5:46  They're more than 50% of the way through completing Project 2025.Lesley Logan 5:48  In the time we're recording this, seven months. Brad Crowell 7:40  Yeah, seven months. And, I mean, you know, if you go through and you actually read the things that are in that platform, they they do want to make single family voting, which is literally taking away the white the rights of women, because they would consider the man the head of the household. Lesley Logan 8:02  And if you think, oh, I'm not married yeah your brother get to vote for you. I don't have a brother, your uncle get to vote for you. Like they will find a man if and when this type of life existed, they would find someone in the government to become your vote. You don't get there's no getting out of this. You don't get one.Brad Crowell 8:17  Yeah, and, and, and the people in power are Tweeting about that stuff, literally right now, right like they're they're putting it out there. They're trying to normalize the idea so that when they go and try to do it, it doesn't seem like it's as big of a deal as it actually fucking is. Lesley Logan 8:32  So you know what I think patriotism is right now, babe, it is, find a protest. I know you're busy. I know you have fucked tons, going on. We are, too. Find one. Go for an hour. Go yell. Go meet friends. Go meet people who are different than you. It's, these protests people, some people are fighting for their their gay marriages to still exist. Some people are fighting further to not be war. Some people are fighting for God. Some people are fighting to like for the Epstein list. I don't care what gets you out there, but like you think that this, that what they're gonna do is not gonna affect your life, it is. It is. Brad Crowell 8:55  Yeah, go, go check out individual, indivisible.org, for a local, you know, event, or how you can get involved near you. So, you know, we're gonna move on, and we're gonna actually. Lesley Logan 9:11  Well, people like this, Brad, we've been told, hi, Vicky.Brad Crowell 9:14  I think it's so important y'all and and it's like this, I know that we this isn't a podcast about politics, but it is. Lesley Logan 9:22  But also, but also. Brad Crowell 9:23  Being it until you see it is a pod, it is about like politics, and it is a part of every single element of our life, even if you have the perfect life, quote, unquote, it's because of politics that you are able to live the way that you live. And what's happening right now is such fast, dramatic change in our countries. Like, historically, there's so much change happening so quickly there, that when we wake up, you know, in even six months from now, it's going to be like, there we are at the brink of things. Lesley Logan 9:53  I don't even know how we're going to make it to the midterms. That's my fear. That's my fear, and I put it out right now, but I will just say, even if you're like, less. I just want a homestead. I want to be like tradwife. The fact that you get to choose that is because of politics. So that is fine if that's what you want to choose to do. But do not think that everybody wants to do that and that that should be the choice for everybody. So I think that like that is why we have to get involved. And if you are a woman, you are political. Your existence in any room is political has been and if you really want to get fired up, go read the book, She Caused A Riot. Go look at history. Like fucking Socrates, his teacher was a woman. Did you know that? The reason you don't know that is because politics, they didn't want you to know that there was leaders in this world.Brad Crowell 10:39  Politics and religion. Lesley Logan 10:39  Fuck that. Anyways. Brad Crowell 10:39  Frustrating. Lesley Logan 10:39  I'm pissed off, but we're currently in the U.K. We're in the U.K. and then when we get home, well, we're home for a couple of weeks, and we gotta see my best friends and come visit, and then we're gonna go to Chicagoland for Pilates On Tour with Balanced Body. I'm doing the Joe's Gyms there. That's in Burr Ridge. If there's any spots left, you should snag one, because it's super, super fun, and we have a huge party coming with all of our agency eLevate OPC members, then we're gonna be in Cambodia. That's also in October. You can still join like you can join last minute. Guess what? Flight planes will sell a seat as long as there is one. So you can get the fuck out of town and retreat a little bit and be in a different world and get some empathy for what it's like to live in different places.Brad Crowell 11:21  Yeah, and experience a different culture and see that not everybody.Lesley Logan 11:24  If you are worried. Sorry, I cut you off. If you're worried about being an American in a different country, let me tell you, they see what's happening right now, and they are, in Cambodia, they are sad for us. They are scared for us. They know that they know where we're headed, and they're sad for us.Brad Crowell 11:25  Yeah, I was just gonna say with our experience recently about trying to cross borders and getting stuck and turned around and not being able to, it wasn't the it wasn't the attendees of the events that we were not able to attend who were angry with us. It was the border guard who was, you know, unfortunately, misinformed and, you know, and angry. And he's angry because the border guards of our country were turning away people for no reason. So he could just, that's the only power he had, was to turn away, you know, Americans for no reason. And we just kind of got caught up in that. So there's a lot of, there is a lot of frustration, but it's not from the people, right, in this country, it's like, you know? So, so I would say, you know, yeah, it did feel a little bit stressful to you know, as we were approaching, once we got there and started talking to them, it became clear that that there was just silly reasons being turned away but, but even in that, like the you know, the guy wasn't like, he wasn't an asshole about it. So, but I it was really frustrating. If you're worried about something like that, when you come to a place like Cambodia, you apply for your visa ahead of time. You will know before you arrive if they're going to turn you around, because you'll have the right paperwork.Lesley Logan 13:06  And also you're we're all going as tourists. The Canadian thing, we were going into work. Brad Crowell 13:11  That's true. Lesley Logan 13:11  And that was it, we'll have to do a whole episode on it, because it's a longer, longer conversation. That being said, you go to. Brad Crowell 13:18  But as a tourist, they want a tourist. They want that because. Lesley Logan 13:21  That's how they're that's literally how their country survives. Brad Crowell 13:24  Yep, it's how well, it's how the city that we're going to, that's how the economy there survives, from tourism. So, you know, and they are very aware of that, so. Lesley Logan 13:32  Yes, they want us there. They're so welcoming, they're so kind, and you can see what it's like to be living in a different part of this world. I think that's so important. I think one of the biggest reasons why people in this, in the U.S., are so fucking scared of people of a different color is because they've never, they've never gone and seen how they live. Yeah, you know, go get worldly. You will have more empathy, crowsnestretreats.com. After we leave Cambodia, we're going to be in Singapore. We're going to teach at a beautiful studio there, and then we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens. And then we're home. We're home for the whole month of November. Oh my God, no, Brad, I'm not going camping anywhere. We're home for the whole month of November. Brad Crowell 14:10  But my parents are coming. We're gonna go camp. Lesley Logan 14:12  No, we're, that is not why they're coming to visit us. Help make an, help you with the roof or something. And then October, we're gonna be on our winter tour. And if you want to make sure you hear about that first, go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events, because our people on our waitlist will get the access to the tickets first. And the winter tour does have cities that sell out in 24 hours. Okay, we have to get to our interview, but we do have an audience question. So Brad, go for it.Brad Crowell 14:37  Yes. Okay. DMK asks on Instagram, hey Lesley, my footwork question is this, what cue or cues do you like to use during footwork? I'm sorry, if footwork students, very confused. They made a mistake on the word here.Lesley Logan 14:42  What cues do you like to use, if during footwork, students are using it like a leg press? Brad Crowell 14:56  Oh, sorry. Okay. Lesley Logan 14:57  Yeah, thank you. Brad Crowell 14:59  Well, I just read that wrong. That's all.Lesley Logan 15:00  It's okay, it's all good. So.Brad Crowell 15:04  First off, we're clearly talking about. Lesley Logan 15:06  Footwork on the Reformer. Yeah. DMK, this, I hate cues.Brad Crowell 15:13  Well, hold on, let's explain what the problem is. What is the problem that she's experiencing with her class? Lesley Logan 15:17  The problem that she's probably seen is they're, they're, they're pushing out and in, like, it's a leg press machine, like, it's like a leg machine, and they're making it only a leg exercise versus a full body exercise, right? And then the other thing is that they're not using all the muscles of their legs, because they're just, like, shoving their knees straight. And they're probably pausing at the top, which is what you do on a leg press machine. And then kind of, hopefully, on a leg press machine, you're resisting. But a lot of people just kind of, like, close the the weights, or just like, kind of float in or ride the springs in. So here's the deal, DMK, my teacher, Jay Grimes, and the teachers I studied with him, talked a lot about how Joe didn't really correct during footwork. You use footwork to tell you what's kind of going on in the person's body. So I also happen to like three or four springs on for footwork. So some people think that, like heavy springs means they're gonna use it like a leg press machine, but ideally you want those heavy springs to warm the body up. Two lightest springs can actually affect someone's lower back, if they have a tight lower back, or they're not getting the connection, and the warm up for what's to come. So I do like three to four springs. That being said, what you can do for those people who want to make it a leg press machine, take all the springs off, go down to one light spring and see what happens. They're going to fly off. And you're like, yeah, you actually have to push into the foot bar the whole time, even as you come in. So I love a one spring, because it kind of helps teach the actual movement, and then load the springs up. If you take my fast workshop, I think you can get it on our OPC website. You'll see how I explain how to use especially with arches and heels to do that. The other thing I would say is ask them, if they are opening the front of the hips or opening the back of the knees. What is their intention? Meaning, the, when you focus on opening the knee joint, you're a leg press machine. When you focus on opening the front of the hips, you're making this move from your center. I am looking, I actually don't care people's knees go straight. I'm looking at, can they move their thigh away from their center and open the front of their hips and then pull that back in. So I'm kind of looking at that, but if they don't do those things, the footwork is just really telling me how they're actually moving. And I have to pick other exercises to assist. So other ways to help them understand that's not like press machine would be doing leg springs. Single leg springs, both leg springs, footwork on the Tower is gonna be really helpful, because that's a whole different plane. And so like, find different exercises that get your point across. Ask them what they're feeling and then take them back to the Reformer and say, find that feeling here.Lesley Logan 17:39  Great. Love it. That's the best cue you could do. Lesley Logan 17:50  There you go. Brad Crowell 17:50  I love it. Great question, DMK. Lesley Logan 17:52  Thanks, DMK. Brad Crowell 17:52  If you have a question, just text us. 310-905-5534, 310-905-5534 or you can actually send your question in through, beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 18:07  That's where you can also send your wins in, too. I want your wins, people. Brad Crowell 18:14  We want your wins. Let's do it. All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're actually going to talk about Jon Ostenson next. Lesley Logan 18:20  Finally. Brad Crowell 18:22  All right, let's talk about Jon Ostenson. An expert in franchising and based out of Atlanta, Georgia, Jon Ostenson left his W2 job eight years ago, after years in the corporate world, to become president of Shelf Genie, a large franchise system where he says he fell in love with the franchise model, which he explained amazingly and in detail during the interview. So if you didn't get a chance to listen to that, I would, I would very much encourage you to go listen to it. It was super informative. He is, Jon, is now the founder of FranBridge Consulting and author of the bestselling book, Non-Food Franchising, which, Lesley, I know you read, I've seen it on our table out there. Jon helps clients find suitable franchise opportunities from over 600 different brands outside of the fast food industry. His mission is to guide individuals who want to own a business but may feel risk-averse or lack a, quote unquote, genius idea connecting with them with proven scalable franchise model, and here's the, models, and here's the crazy thing, this is where I was like, oh my God, this guy's brilliant, his services to you are free. How are they free, you ask, because he sees what you're trying to do then he goes to the franchise, the parent company, and he says, pay me, and I'll help these guys succeed doing your franchise. Yeah, pretty brilliant. I was like, wow, that's amazing. So.Lesley Logan 19:44  I love it. I love it so much because it's, like, it's completely risk-averse for you, like, and the reason I thought this, I really wanted to dig in with this guy, because I don't even understand how you get into a franchise, and. Brad Crowell 19:58  Well, it makes me want to get into franchises. Lesley Logan 20:00  I know. And we just met someone who's like, all he does is all these different franchises and and so I just like it because, like, first of all, we talked a lot about how you could, like, work and have a franchise. Like, it's like, there's like, there's all these different ways you can do it. So, anyways.Brad Crowell 20:16  Yeah, he said a lot of franchisors, the people on the franchise, still might have a day job, because. Lesley Logan 20:21  Yeah. Aren't they a franchisee? Brad Crowell 20:24  Oh, sorry, franchisee. You're, you're right. The franchisor is the parent company. The franchisee is the person who's, who's like, purchase one of the locations or whatever. So the franchisee as if you could still be working your normal life and have a franchise, obviously, then it's about the team that you put in place to make sure that they can run it without you having to be there. But, but this guy was talking about having franchises all over the country, so he's clearly not in them operating them. Lesley Logan 20:51  Yeah. But also. No. And so you can be an owner-operator. He has, he, like, his book has got a lot of this stuff in it, if you want to, like, dig in even more and then chat with him, but like, here's what I. Brad Crowell 20:51  And by the way, we're not just talking about Pilates franchises. Lesley Logan 21:02  No, he is, like, there's so many, there's some out there. And also, like, I personally, I personally don't want to grab someone else's Pilates franchises, because, the way I like to teach, I probably would want to make my own, but maybe I want to get one that's in the like, maybe that's like a red light sauna space or something that goes along with what I do, that's like in the thing that I am interested in, in life, like I'm already. Brad Crowell 21:23  Or salt path, float, float, yeah, floating, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:27  By the way, there is a float place that I'm sure, is a franchise in Nashville that I'm like, how the fuck do we get it out here in our neighborhood? Because I'm tired of driving 30 minutes to go fucking float, I'm pissed off by the time I get back. Anyways, we just need, I don't know, a few thousands of dollars, and then we can do it, babe. I think, here's where our next adventure is. Brad Crowell 21:45  (inaudible) crazy is you said that, like, a lot of people, will start a franchise with maybe, you know, $50,000 to $100,000 down, and the rest of it is actually from a an SBA loan, because the SBA and the banks believe in the franchise model so much that they are willing to effectively front the rest of the startup capital. And I was like, wow, I never thought about that. That's amazing. Because, and like, you know, $50,000 is still a shitload of money. I understand that. But it also isn't a million dollars, right? Lesley Logan 22:18  And also, like, anyone who wants to start to make legitimate money, you have to stop thinking that $50,000 is a lot of money, start thinking it's possible, that you can get it, that there's a way, because I remember thinking that, oh, my God, it's so much money. And let me tell you the long as you think 50,000 is so much money you're gonna have, it's gonna feel so far away when you start to think like, of course I still have to find $50,000 you, go listen to that podcast we have with the guy with the question marks, I forget his name, anyways, go and find it, but let's just talk about things I loved that he said. Okay, let me get into my notes. He said, you're in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And I love this, because so many of the people I meet, they're like, so lucky that you and Brad, like, are married and like, you work together. And our biggest response is, like, not everyone should do what we do. So if you want to be in business for yourself, but not by yourself, instead of working with your partner, why don't you get a partner? And it can be a franchise like, I think that's really cool.Brad Crowell 23:09  And different franchisors offer different support, and that's one of the conversations that that you could have with a person like Jon, where you might be like, hey, I am innately a marketer, but I'm terrible at operations, right? Then he, he might say, okay, well, this franchise, you know, whatever, they can help. Or, or conversely, I hate marketing. I'm really, that's not my jam. I need a franchise that will create the content for me that I can just use to put out there. So they're different, like, corporate offices will do different things for the business to support the franchisee and but, but, but as a as a layman, how am I supposed to know? But Jon gets to see hundreds of franchises. Lesley Logan 23:53  I think that's what's so cool. Is like, if you know your strengths, then you can talk to Jon and figure out, like, what are the different franchises that I'm interested in that are, like, in an area I want to be in, and then, okay, of those, which one matches my strengths and my weaknesses? Because you don't want to have something that's like, great at marketing and you're great at marketing, but like, has the systems are not there for the operations, like things like that, but also the franchiser does a lot for you. And remember, it's a proven business model, so like, it's already figured like, it's already thrown ideas at the wall, figured out what works, and then you just get to rinse and repeat that. And I really, I really like that for people who want to create their own schedule, create their own impact, be part of the community, but are risk-averse, you know? And by the way, I get it, we just.Lesley Logan 24:39  I'm risk-averse, too. Lesley Logan 24:39  Oh my god, you really are. Brad Crowell 24:41  But in a measurable way. But it's like, I wouldn't want to go, just go throw money away and hope, hope that something works. Imagine being able to follow a systematic approach where they figured out all the kinks in the business. Like, like the business that Lesley and I run that we've created, it has taken us a lot longer to get to where we are today. It's literally 10 years now, 10 years of running this business, yeah, 10 years of trying to figure things out, making mistakes, doing all this stuff, when with a franchise model, there are so many less mistakes to make, because hypothetically, they've already made the mistakes for you and figured it out and put together the playbook that you can simply follow the plan, the process, right? I really loved when he talked about business ownership is really hard. It takes a lot of work. And, yeah, that's that's very true, too. And he said, if it was easy, everyone would be a business owner, and what he what so, so, of all the pros that we've been talking about with a franchise model, it still does take a lot of work, and it's it takes focus and and the biggest thing he mentioned was the people who fail don't follow the plan, right? And Jon goes, calls up the franchise corporate office and goes, yo, what happened here? What's going on? And the franchisor said, you know, would say to Jon, well, look, we did everything we could to support this person, but they didn't listen. They just didn't fucking listen, you know. And that doesn't mean that, like, there won't still be challenges, because every single location is different, every market is different, every opportunity. And what I mean that, I mean different franchise model is different, you know. So it still will take work, but you don't have to do it alone, you know. And that that's amazing, you know. So, so anyway, he doesn't sugarcoat franchises but he said it's a lot easier and a lot more predictable. Lesley Logan 26:40  His book, actually, like, talks about, like, like, kind of like, if it's for you, you know, and this is where like, it, for us to follow the rules, right, with you, you have to know, okay, we're gonna do this thing with this company. We're gonna follow their rules, which means I'm gonna hire someone to go follow their rules, because I am unemployable, so I will probably fuck him up, but you have to know that about yourself, you know. Such a cool dude. He also was like, because I told him I have an idea, I still have an idea that I might want to, like happen and make, and franchise and he's like, just give me a call. Run it by me. And I'm like, amazing. I just love how generous people can be. Brad Crowell 27:18  Yeah, yeah. Well, stick around, we're going to talk about how generous Jon is with his Be It Action Items, in just a minute. Brad Crowell 27:25  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jon Ostenson? He said he really encourages people who are interested in franchising or the concept of franchising, to just simply explore, that there's no downside, there's no cost to learn about how it works, what it is, is it even plausible for me? Is this something that I could do while still doing my life? He said it's super free to work with them, which we already talked about at the very beginning of this convo here. FranBridge consulting, his company helps clients navigate and find top available opportunities among over 600 different non-food franchise brands and. Lesley Logan 28:08  We love that. I do not want to deal with food. Brad Crowell 28:10  Well, he's he's not, he's not opposed to food, but it also, apparently, just adds a whole lot more variables in there. Lesley Logan 28:16  I used to work at a coffee shop, and it was small business-owned, and I'm going to tell you right now, it is,.Brad Crowell 28:21  Well, that's different than a franchise, because a franchise is a system, so small business-owned might make things just complicated because they're making shit up.Lesley Logan 28:28  Food, food, there's, like, the things you have to do to prevent rats.Brad Crowell 28:32  Right, there's just a lot more variables when it comes to food. There's also a lot of more licensing and a lot more, like red tape with like, local state government stuff, you know. So anyway, he explained that what I already mentioned is that, how does he get paid? He gets paid by the franchise business, the corporate, right? He, you're not necessarily paying him directly. So, I mean, it seems like an absolute win-win.Lesley Logan 28:57  Just worth having the conversation like there's no, there's no harm in it, you know. Brad Crowell 29:00  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 29:01  So I love that he said, activity breeds activity. Yes. It's like a body in motion, stays in motion. Yesterday, we just got into town, you know, at midnight on Friday night. I guess it's Saturday morning. Anyways, our friend, my she saw me at the gym, and she's like, you're like, the most consistent creature. And I'm like, I don't if I was to not be consistent, like, like, if I used travel as an excuse, I would never be consistent. So activity breeds activity. A body motion stays in motion. Explain, it's the idea he saw play out in his career and life, that whenever he gets off the sidelines he starts moving to Option A or B. That's that, then that's when option C comes out of left field. He says, good things happen when you're in motion. And it's so true. Like, it's so true. You know, even we got sidelined with the fucking Canada thing, we pivoted and kept going. And, like, because we did that, other things happened, that the dominoes kept going. And like, these other opportunities came around. And I think, like. Brad Crowell 29:53  Yeah, we met a whole studio we never would have met. Lesley Logan 29:55  We totally did. Could be a pop-up someday. But at any rate, like, you know, you, you'd be surprised what happens. Too often, we get we get sidelined, and we're like, I'm gonna sit over here. Keep going, take another step. And if you hear, as you hear in the podcast, it says action is the antidote to fear. So anyways, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:16  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:17  Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We love your reviews. Leave us more reviews. I want more reviews. It's my love language. And share this with a person who needs to hear it like you might have a friend in your life who is like, kind of stuck, kind of wondering what to do. Maybe this is what they need. So send them Jon's episode. Send them this episode. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 30:38  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 30:38  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Fluent Fiction - Japanese: Aiko's Path: Rediscovering Hope Among Nature's Beauty Find the full episode transcript, vocabulary words, and more:fluentfiction.com/ja/episode/2025-09-07-22-34-01-ja Story Transcript:Ja: 秋の静かな朝、藍子は上野動物園と植物園に向かって歩いていました。En: On a quiet autumn morning, Aiko was walking toward Ueno Zoo and Botanical Garden.Ja: 空は青く澄んで、木々の葉は赤や金色に染まっています。En: The sky was clear blue, and the leaves of the trees were dyed red and gold.Ja: 冷たい風が彼女のほほに心地よく触れました。En: The cold wind pleasantly touched her cheeks.Ja: 数週間前、藍子は医者から慢性の病気だと診断されました。En: A few weeks ago, Aiko was diagnosed with a chronic illness by her doctor.Ja: それ以来、彼女の心の中は不安でいっぱいでした。En: Since then, her heart had been filled with anxiety.Ja: 未来がぼんやりと見え、毎日が重く感じられます。En: The future appeared vague, and each day felt heavy.Ja: そこで、彼女は幼い頃によく訪れた動物園と植物園に行くことにしました。En: So, she decided to visit the zoo and botanical garden she often went to as a child.Ja: そこには、楽しい思い出がたくさん詰まっています。En: There are many joyful memories there.Ja: 入り口でチケットを買い、藍子は動物園に入りました。En: Aiko bought a ticket at the entrance and entered the zoo.Ja: 動物たちは元気でした。En: The animals were lively.Ja: 彼女はゾウの檻の前で立ち止まり、子どもの頃、父と一緒にこの場所を訪れたことを思い出しました。En: She stopped in front of the elephant enclosure and recalled visiting this place with her father when she was a child.Ja: その時の楽しい記憶が心を温かくしました。En: The pleasant memories from that time warmed her heart.Ja: 次に、藍子は植物園に向かいました。En: Next, Aiko headed for the botanical garden.Ja: 赤や黄の花が美しく咲いていました。En: Flowers in red and yellow were beautifully in bloom.Ja: 鳥たちがさえずり、風がそよそよと木の葉を揺らしています。En: Birds were chirping, and the wind gently swayed the leaves of the trees.Ja: この静けさに包まれて、彼女の心は少しずつ落ち着きを取り戻しました。En: Wrapped in this tranquility, her heart gradually regained its calm.Ja: ふと、藍子は一匹の蝶を見かけました。En: Suddenly, Aiko noticed a butterfly.Ja: 美しい模様のあるその蝶は、花から花へと軽やかに飛び回っていました。En: The butterfly with beautiful patterns was gracefully fluttering from flower to flower.Ja: 藍子はその姿を見つめながら、自分自身を比べてみました。En: As she watched it, she compared herself to it.Ja: 蝶が繭から出て、新しい命として羽ばたくように、彼女もまた変わり続けることができると気づいたのです。En: Just as a butterfly emerges from its cocoon and takes flight as a new life, she realized that she too could continue to change.Ja: その瞬間、藍子の心の中に強さが芽生えました。En: At that moment, a strength sprouted in Aiko's heart.Ja: 病気であることに怯えるのではなく、希望をもって未来を見つめようと決心したのです。En: Rather than being frightened by her illness, she resolved to look toward the future with hope.Ja: 植物園を後にする時、藍子は少しだけ笑みを浮かべました。En: When she left the botanical garden, she managed a slight smile.Ja: 彼女は新しい一歩を踏み出す準備ができていました。En: She was ready to take a new step forward.Ja: 上野の空は夕日に照らされてオレンジ色に染まっています。En: The sky over Ueno was dyed orange by the setting sun.Ja: 藍子は公園を後にし、未来への希望を胸に刻みました。En: Aiko left the park, engraving hope for the future in her heart.Ja: 彼女は自然の美しさと思い出の中で、再び自分を見つけたのでした。En: She rediscovered herself amidst the beauty of nature and her memories. Vocabulary Words:quiet: 静かなbotanical: 植物cheeks: ほほchronic: 慢性anxiety: 不安vague: ぼんやりheavy: 重くlively: 元気enclosure: 檻recalled: 思い出しましたwarm: 温かくbloom: 咲いていましたchirping: さえずりswayed: 揺らしていますtranquility: 静けさgracefully: 軽やかにfluttering: 飛び回ってemerges: 出てtakes flight: 羽ばたくresolved: 決心したheart: 心slight: 少しsmile: 笑みengraving: 刻みましたrediscovered: 見つけたautumn: 秋dyed: 染まっていますpleasantly: 心地よくregained: 取り戻しましたstrength: 強さ

You know Curtis Dvorak as a former Jackson De Ville, and the current Wildlife Wanderer for the Jacksonville Zoo & Botanical Gardens. But DID YOU KNOW he's a golfer too? Curtis joins JMN to discuss his new venture -- a golf course/charity hole-in-one attraction at Blue Sky Golf Club in Arlington, called "Pop's Hole-in-One Challenge." The venture debuts on Sep 12. Not a golfer? Try your luck with the "Air Wedge" t-shirt cannon instead of a club... it still counts! Whether you're a golfer or not, there's fun to be had as you attempt to win "Pop's Pot Of Gold," with prizes galore, and there's a different charity supported each month. Check out "PopsHoleInOne.com" for more information!

Senior Ambassador Animal Keeper, Christina O'Donnell, and Zoo Teacher, Emma Aagaard, visit us from the Central Florida Zoo and bring along Squirtle, a black breasted leaf turtle. Along with sharing some fascinating facts about Squirtle, Christina and Emma share some exciting events at the Zoo, including PJ the rhino's farewell party on September 20th, three weekends of Zoo Boo Bash this year, and the return of Asian Lantern Festival.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Senior Ambassador Animal Keeper, Christina O'Donnell, and Zoo Teacher, Emma Aagaard, visit us from the Central Florida Zoo and bring along Squirtle, a black breasted leaf turtle. Along with sharing some fascinating facts about Squirtle, Christina and Emma share some exciting events at the Zoo, including PJ the rhino's farewell party on September 20th, three weekends of Zoo Boo Bash this year, and the return of Asian Lantern Festival.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Bad Luck Brigade has be found by the rotting Botanical Garden and swallowed them into its ever growing undeath. Luckily, this is where the next heart the crew needs to find! Trouble is, the natives seem nice and reaaally want to give them hugs.Intro/Outro Music by Bryce PublowAdditional Soundscapes and Music:Battle in the City/Desert Campfire by Michael Ghelfi

It's a bouquet of trivia on Go Fact Yourself!Mimi Rogers is an actor – best known these days for her role in the Amazon series “Bosch.” She's acted in that family of shows for ten years, but she'll tell us about how her part was never supposed to last that long. Plus, Mimi reveals some secrets about her time on the set of Austin Powers.  Matt Rogers is one of the hosts of the podcast Las Culturistas. He'll tell us about how he started the show with his co-host Bowen Yang, his Christmas themed album and tour that he manifested, and what it was like to actually meet the Queen of Christmas: Mariah Carey. You can stream “The Las Culturistas Culture Awards” on Peacock now.Areas of Expertise:Mimi: Types of flowers, Italian cooking, and the TV show “Sex and the City.”Matt: Mariah Carey, the TV show “The Real Housewives of New York” (pre-reboot), and Long Island. What's the Difference: Boring!What's the difference between drilling and boring?What's the difference between a hog and a boar?Guest Experts:Dr. Nicole Cavender: Director of the Botanical Gardens at The Huntington.Rep. Laura Gillen: United States Congresswoman serving New York's fourth district. Hosts: J. Keith van StraatenHelen HongCredits:Theme Song by Jonathan Green.Maximum Fun's Senior Producer is Laura Swisher.Co-Producer and Editor is Julian Burrell.Seeing our next live-audience shows by YOU!

In this powerful recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on Joy Hoover's inspiring interview about redefining women's safety through community and innovation. They highlight how Joy is working to change harmful narratives around victim shaming and help people recognize red flags before it's too late. From revolutionary tools for drink spiking prevention to bold leadership in gender-based violence advocacy, this episode is a call to rethink how we can band and protect one another.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Joy Hoover is using innovation to revolutionize women's safety.Why collective action is more powerful than doing it alone.The real cost of gender-based violence and what we can do about it.The importance of storytelling and community in social impact work.Why listening to survivors is key to building safer communities.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. 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And I think like if we can all think about it differently, we can actually start to spot things and support people instead of going well, how did that happen to them? Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the groundbreaking convo I had with Joy Hoover in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go listen to that one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. You can do whatever order you want, but it's one you have to listen to. Brad Crowell 0:58  Whatever you want. Lesley Logan 1:00  I mean, I say it on all episodes, you got to go listen to it because, you know, we can only cover so much of what the guest said, but it's also like quite a unique, amazing thing. So Today is August 14th 2025 and it's got two things for you. I'm sure Brad want me to choose. I'm not going to do it. National, it's National Financial Awareness Day. So how much would you like to bet that most people don't know August 14th is National Financial Awareness Day?Brad Crowell 1:43  Well, it's about betting. They were being cute. I think it's cute. Lesley Logan 1:46  They still managed to say the date and the name. Brad Crowell 1:49  100% of the time they answer the question, they re-ask the question when answering the question always.Lesley Logan 1:54  It's more important than you think. And plus, what's more fun than financial independence?Brad Crowell 1:58  What is more fun? Yay. Skippy.Lesley Logan 2:01  Hey, you know what? Financial independence is literally the thing that, if you have you can do anything you want. You can leave any job, shitty relationship, shitty situation. Financial independence is like the thing. It's more, I think it's more important than just like, the ability to walk, you need to have financial independence.Brad Crowell 2:19  It's funny because it sounds silly, but at the same time, it's not something that anyone ever talks about. Like, no one, like, you're not taught this stuff at school. Right?Lesley Logan 2:32  Yeah, no, you're, no. I think I was taught to balance a checkbook, as if that did anything for me. But I like, I think about Tia Leving's episode. Brad Crowell 2:39  I have to say I was thinking about that.Lesley Logan 2:41  And I think about.Brad Crowell 2:42  If y'all don't remember, she was stuck in an abusive relationship where she had no control over the finances, and she couldn't leave, even though it was abusive, because if she did, she. Lesley Logan 2:52  Would lose her kids. Brad Crowell 2:54  She would lose her kids because she didn't have any money to support her kids. Lesley Logan 2:56  Yeah, this is where, like, a lot of people were like, oh, why don't they just leave? It goes back to, like, the Diddy stuff, oh they could have just left. No. When they're controlling your career, when they're controlling how where you live, and they're paying your rent and all these things, even if you think, oh, well, they did this. It was, there's, there's control, there's not financial independence, and if we have to teach that, even if the person's not abusive, because there's plenty of people who are partners, who are parents, who are bosses, who are non-abusive. Brad Crowell 3:03  Sure. Lesley Logan 3:05  But everybody deserves to have financial independence and financial awareness information so that they can make sure they're making the right decisions for themselves. And then they have options. You always have choices. Okay, back to why they want to educate us. So, first off, think about that great feeling you get when you don't have the looming spin specter of debt hanging over you. Also sound financial decisions can really make a difference down the road. Remember, retirement is a time to take all those vacations you couldn't when working the daily grind. I have so many problems with this day already, because you shouldn't wait for a retirement to take those vacations and don't let people tell you, debt is a big (inaudible).Brad Crowell 4:01  I was going to say the same thing, like, sure, debt can be looming, especially if it's like credit card debt that's keeping you bound. Lesley Logan 4:08  Yes, because they control you. Brad Crowell 4:09  Well, it's not just that. It's like, it's it's a it's oppressive to to moving forward because you're just paying the interest. But at the same time, like, I think my relationship with that changed when I became a business owner, because, you, you it's part of businesses also, you know, you can also have debt, and you can manage that debt without it destroying everything, so.Lesley Logan 4:30  And also, a good credit score is because you can show that you can manage debt. That's what it is. It's not being debt-free. It's managing debt. Which is which, yeah, okay, so there was good intentions with this day, anyways. Because money is important to our overall peace of mind, Financial Awareness Day is a great time to review where you are now and where you're going financially. Don't let bad financial decisions ruin the best years of your life.Brad Crowell 4:54  Okay, so we're just gonna stop reading this. But I think the points are still good. You know? I think, I think one thing that most, I'll tell you what I didn't do. I never reviewed my financial position. I didn't even know what that meant, right? I just knew that I needed to make enough money to get to the end of the month so that I could do it again, right? I never, like, stepped back and like was, was trying to look at like, oh, I have a car, the value of the car. Oh, I have a house, the value of the house, or, you know, whatever, like my, I have a savings account, or I have been putting money in my savings account. Do I have a plan? Never had a plan before, you know, the last couple of years and and now you can it's easy to get sidetracked from your plan. It's very easy to get sidetracked from your plan, unless you put things on an automated like your your money comes in, and then automatically, things happen at the end of the month. It's easy to forget to slide, you know, money over into your retirement fund, or whatever it might be, and you know, so what what you can do, which I think is really helpful, is to throw once a month review, you know, our just take a look at all the numbers. Take a look at it. Like, open up the credit card statement online, open up the bank account online, take a look at that. Like, log into your Social Security account. How weird is that to even say, does anybody do that? I do that. Okay. Lesley Logan 6:12  Yeah, I do it. I just don't I don't know, at this moment in time we're recording, I doubt we're gonna see any of it, but you should, I agree with you. Like, it's important to be aware of where all your accounts are, what's in all of them. Don't put your, don't be an ostrich. And also, like, please don't let the money stories of your parents or like, even your college years dictate like, what you think of yourself when it comes to money, because that attitude is not going to help you be it till you see it with financial success. Listen to our episode with wealth with Tess. That is the episode I want you to listen to if this day resonates with you. Okay, Love Your Bookshop Day. Of course, we talk about this becauseBrad Crowell 6:50  Tess's episode was 352. Lesley Logan 6:52  Wow. Brad Crowell 6:53  352Lesley Logan 6:54  So, Love Your Bookshop Day is celebrated every year, also on August 14th. It is a holiday that was founded by the Australian Booksellers Association. The aim is to appreciate bookshops around the country and highlight all the things that make local bookshops beneficial with an appreciation for books and encourages more people to read. Bookshops exist to serve the knowledge to the public, and that is a very important job. The more equipped bookshops are, the better quality of knowledge people can access to in a time when books are being ordered online, the local brick and mortar bookshop needs all the support it can get. You guys, they don't sponsor the show, but bookshop.org think that it's called, if you order your books through them, they send the money to support a local bookshop near you, and that if you want to have that online ease, but also support a local bookshop. I also like it's called a bookshop. So it's a bookstore. Anyways, go read a book. Go read, go read a book that's gonna, like, inspire you. Maybe I'll add a book (inaudible). Brad Crowell 7:47  Go sit in a bookshop, coffee shop. Lesley Logan 7:52  Oh my gosh. Have you been to the Writer's Block, babe? Brad Crowell 7:55  No, in Vegas? Lesley Logan 7:56  Yeah. Brad Crowell 7:56  Have not.Lesley Logan 7:57  Oh, they got a smoothie bar, coffee, a cat walk around. Don't take Bayon. Cats walking around the coffee shop. Maybe they have birds. I think it's a bird sanctuary, not cat sanctuary. Anyways, it is the coolest bookshop. And now listen to me, I'm gonna call it a bookshop my Australian accent, it's the coolest bookstore I've been to in a long time. But there's some other ones, and I actually want to start looking at some really cool bookstores when we start doing tours. Brad Crowell 8:19  It's a bird sanctuary. Lesley Logan 8:19  Yeah, bird sanctuary. You know how we like, we do vintage shops a lot. I think I want to switch that to, like, really cool bookstores, because there's some really cool bookstores out there. Okay, speaking of being on the road, we are on the road for a few more days, and so you can go to OPC.me/tour because I think you can get, if there's anything left, you can get to Idaho, Salt Lake or Las Vegas OPC.me/tour. Our winter tour will be announced in the fall, so stick around for that. Then we're home for a couple of weeks, and then, babe, we're headed to, where are we headed, in September, we're headed to the U.K. Brad Crowell 8:52  Yes, we're gonna, we're really fired up to be back to the U.K. and we actually have two stops we're doing this time. We're gonna be in Leeds and in Essex. So come join us. If you are in London. We actually set it up where you could be on a day pass with us.Lesley Logan 9:03  I think there's even all our workshops. So if you are someone who just wants to do one workshop now.Brad Crowell 9:07  Yeah, it might be. Go, go check it out. Go to opc.me/uk. We're going to be covering, it's mostly Pilates stuff. And then there's a couple of workshops. The workshops are skewed toward business, but they're not really business. It's like managing your calendar, that's managing, you know, how do you, how do you make an ideal schedule for yourself? And that, of course, can be used for business, but it's also you don't have to run a business to, you know, pull some benefits from that, and then, yeah, anyway, we can't wait to be back. It's gonna be awesome. In October, we're heading to Chicago. Lesley Logan 9:36  Yeah, there's Balanced Bodies, P.O.T. Chicago. And at the time of this record as this dropping, you can still get the early bird 10% off if there's any spots left. I do know that.Brad Crowell 9:46  Do you have a link for that? Lesley Logan 9:47  balancedbodypilates.com just like a P.O.T. Chicago and it comes up, like it kind of just comes up. But anyways, yeah, of course, it's a long link. However, when they emailed me last week, it was 75% sold out. So just so you know, don't wait on that. Then we're gonna go from Chicago to Cambodia.Brad Crowell 10:07  Directly, literally. Don't even go home. We just go straight through San Francisco to Cambodia. That's gonna be amazing. And basically, you know, we got, we still got room, and there's still time. It's only August. We're not going till October, right, so.Lesley Logan 10:20  Oh I know, people signed up for last one in December, we went. Brad Crowell 10:24  Six weeks ahead of time. Yeah. We had someone sign up six weeks ahead of time so. Lesley Logan 10:29  We had someone signed up two weeks ahead of time. Brad Crowell 10:29  Oh, it was only two. Lesley Logan 10:29  The last October, my mom's. Brad Crowell 10:31  Yeah, yeah, it was only two. Okay, yeah. So anyway, yeah, so it's possible there's still plenty of room come join us. It's gonna be amazing. And then, like, randomly, on the way home from Cambodia we're gonna be in Singapore.Lesley Logan 10:43  Yeah. So we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens, and we're working on teaching a gig. So you know, Singapore, Hi, we're coming. Brad Crowell 10:49  Yeah, we're coming. Lesley Logan 10:50  And then, of course, December is winter tour. We should be announcing all of that in the fall, so come October. But if you want to host with us, reach out. The team will help you fill out the forms. And if we're on the path this year, yay. And if we're not, we'll save you for another time. But don't, don't wait.Brad Crowell 11:06  Yeah that's going to be awesome. Before we get into this really interesting convo with Joy Hoover, also, like, scary-a-little-bit convo with Joy Hoover. From the statistics were like, mind blowing. I was like, What the hell. But before we get there, we got a question from Corinne_ca11 (aka Cori) from IG. She asks, hey, how many days a week do you recommend weight lifting in addition to your Pilates practice?Lesley Logan 11:34  Yeah, so here's okay. Brad Crowell 11:35  Great question. Lesley Logan 11:36  Great question. Personally, I lift weights three to four days a week and I do Pilates four to five days a week. Now, is that a scientific thing that you should be doing? I don't know. It's really works for my schedule. I particularly like an extra day of Pilates compared to my weight training, because I do feel like it keeps everything ready for the next one. Like weight training always makes my body feel a little bit heavy. I mean, of course, I feel great in it, and there's no knocks. Like, I believe every woman does need to lift some weights, but my body feels heavy. And so Pilates kind of like opens everything back up and readies it for the next time. And that's why I like it. But I will say, depending on what your goals are, you definitely, from what I've heard or what I've read, everyone should be lifting weights, two, three days a week, and then I believe Pilates should be done three to four days a week. And that doesn't mean hour long sessions, doesn't have to be, the amount of minutes is not as important as the consistency and the quality of the movement. So three quality reps over 10 is always better than it comes to Pilates, and that's just my opinion, but I particularly really like it, and I will we're actually we taught in Santa Barbara a workshop on mat Pilates for strength training, people who strength train. And I actually taught everyone there how to do a 20, 15-minute workout with 20 Pilates mat exercises that will benefit anyone who lifts weights. And you can literally do it after you lift all your weights at the gym, or you could do it before, or you could do it on your off days, or you could do it under your zone two as a way to, kind of like, stretch and move everything around. It's 15 minutes full body workout. It will absolutely improve your form and the results you're getting with your strength training. You can actually take a version of that workshop at fullbodyin15.com. Brad Crowell 13:17  Yeah, fullbodyin15.com love that, by the way, that's free. Lesley Logan 13:21  It's free. Brad Crowell 13:22  And it'll help you learn the five major spine shapes in Pilates and create that 15-minute workout. So definitely dig in there. Great question, Cori, thanks for that. If you have a question, text us at 310-905-5534 or because who can remember those phone numbers? Go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this convo with Joy Hoover. Brad Crowell 13:49  Okay, now let's talk about Joy Hoover, who's our neighbor, by the way, temporarily, which is kind of cool. After experiencing a devastating family tragedy in 2013, Joy Hoover dedicated herself for 15 years in Vegas to improving women's safety, anti-trafficking and fighting gender-based violence. She founded the nonprofit Cupcake Girls, which y'all probably know because we support them with Profitable Pilates. And she later launched Esōes Cosmetics, pronounced SOS. It's spelled E-S-O-E-S the world's first patented smart lipstick featuring built-in drink testing strips and a panic button that is linked to a safety app. Her work has supported over 10,000 survivors and earned multiple awards and national media recognition. And it's quite, it's quite, quite clever. Lesley Logan 14:40  You know what's funny is we just recapped David Corbin, and you met Joy at the same exact event. Brad Crowell 14:46  David. Lesley Logan 14:48  Is that the same we just interviewed? Brad Crowell 14:50  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lesley Logan 14:51  You met them both at the same event.Brad Crowell 14:52  So yes, David, I did. I actually had lunch with Joy, or I sat at a table withJoy. Yeah, it was lunch. And then David was the after the event was over. You're right. What a great event that was.Lesley Logan 15:03  Yeah. And it's funny, because I didn't interview them near each other, but they're coming out next to each other, so that's hilarious. So we talked. I mean, first, I just want to say that, like, if you haven't yet listened to this episode and you there is, like, violent talk in there. There are some topics that could be triggering or activating in some people. So do take caution when you listen to it, but I do think it's really important to listen to because, I wanna highlight a couple parts of her story that have nothing to do. Well, they have a lot to do with all the things, but like, you can see yourself in those stories. So when she and her husband had their first kid, his dad killed his mom, and they just had a baby. And so can you imagine being new parents and then, like, dealing with, like, the, not just the loss of parent, but like.Brad Crowell 15:49  I think she said that their daughter was, like, eight days old and they had to fly across the country to handle that. Lesley Logan 15:51  I mean, of course, so tragic, but for them to figure out, for them to not let that define them, but instead allow them to create a, carve a path that could help them, use their story to support other people with different stories in them is really, really cool. And I think a lot of times we have these tragic things happen in our lives, and they become the story we tell ourselves that's held us back. Oh, I've lost seven people in my life. Oh, this happened, and I don't want to discount those things. Those are especially like, when you have abuse like that, ends in that way it is. It's devastating. But, I do think that, like. Brad Crowell 16:27  She said it was happening for like, 40 years. Lesley Logan 16:30  Yeah, and that's like, that's really hard to grow up around, to experience, to like, to have relationships and other things. And so I just want to say, like, I think that their their story and other people's stories that are similar, where they persevered through that. It kind of it, it changed who they are as parents and also how they raise their children, but also how they see other people. Because I think it's so easy to judge, like, why didn't she leave? Or why, like, we talked about this earlier with the financial stuff, like, Why didn't this? And it's like some of this stuff has been going on for so long, you know, you don't think it will ever turn to something that bad, right? So, and then the other thing that I want to highlight that happened to them as they started SOS, really cool company. Invest their life savings to, like, make this product, it's going to help.Brad Crowell 17:15  Raise money, like, had friends and family help support.Lesley Logan 17:17  It's gonna help people who, who need, access to support wherever they are, and obviously women, this is what the product is for. But we all need this. It can be helpful for anybody, but they had a fire like a freak electrical situation in their roof. First of all, the product helped get the fire department there. You have to listen to the story. It's insane. Brad Crowell 17:38  Faster than calling 911. Lesley Logan 17:39  Yes, faster than calling 911, this product, they were able to press the panic button and get the fire department there, which the fire department said, if they had, any, any minute later, they would have lost the whole house. So they got to keep the framework. Anyways, there's a lot going on there, but they lost all the product. Yeah, however, because they had to start from scratch, and they already had customers, and they'd already been going through it. They use it as an opportunity to make it even better. And I share this because, like, so many times, like.Brad Crowell 18:09  I mean, how do how deflating would that be that not only do you lose your house, but all your business at the exact same time. Lesley Logan 18:16  I mean, I don't even know how you just go get a job at Costco. Like, I don't even know how you go let me do this again. Brad Crowell 18:20  Let me start over. Lesley Logan 18:21  I, like, buy.Brad Crowell 18:22  After everything burned down. Lesley Logan 18:23  While I'm not living in my own home. Like, let me just start this over while like, all, that's what, I'm not gonna lie, like, I think I seriously would have got a job at Costco because I could get my steps in. You know, I hear good things. The hot dogs are $1.50 like, you know, like, I would have just, like, packed it in, but instead, they use it as an opportunity to make the product even better. Aand I think, as a business owner or someone who's working on a new project like we think we have to get it right from the first time, the first start, the first the first iteration has to be the best one. And actually, like most people's first ones are not the one that go like, not the one that goes to market. In fact, we have. Brad Crowell 19:01  How many websites have we rebuilt? Lesley Logan 19:03  Don't tell me. Don't tell me. But you know what? Even our mat deck, right? Like we have changed the mat deck, our Mat Flashcard Deck, because we put it out there, we sold 3000 decks, and then we printed a new version of it, because we've all the feedback we got. And then also how we know other people use the other decks? Ken Endelman said that, you know, Joe Pilates, a lot of his sketches and his patents that he sent in, and not really sent in, but he pretended like he did, those are not things he went to market with. He's like, you don't usually go to market with the first one. Like, you use that to get the patent, but that's not what what you go to market with. And so I think, like. Brad Crowell 19:38  I mean, even now, we've just made another change to the flashcard deck boxes, you know, like, like, like it. Because every time we learn something new, we're like, oh, we need to add that on, or we need to do this, or we should adjust this, or whatever. Lesley Logan 19:53  Oh, yeah, we have to made in the USA, on our boxes. Brad Crowell 19:55  How do we how do we miss that? Five years, we never, we were never (inaudible). Lesley Logan 19:58  Clearly, it wasn't like, I remember my dad, like, going, does it say made in the USA? No, you can't have it. So I don't even know how, like, I'd skipped my brain. We were printing it, but apparently it's a thing. Anyways, I just point this out, because even if you don't think the topic applies to you, you think, oh, I'm not going off having first dates, or I'm not, like, I'm not interested in this, every single one of us is going to do a first again? And then get frustrated because it didn't work. And honestly, it's because you're supposed to, you're supposed to go with the second thing or the third iteration. Brad Crowell 20:30  Yeah. I mean, there's also the tech. The tech part of the of it, it is proximity, or like, as well. So if somebody else in a room, if you are on the app and someone else in the room pushes the button, you will get notified as well. So like, you know, might not necessarily be you personally, who might be in that scenario, but it could be that you're in the proximity of someone who needs help. So, just interesting. Lesley Logan 20:53  Yeah, and this is, like, we're, we're like, you know, we can be, we always think we want it. We can be an alert for other people, but it's hard to be an alert when you can't see the signs, like we've talked about, like somebody like choking, you can see actual signs. They are choking. They need help. But when someone feels unsafe on a date or at a meeting or, you know, or walking down the street, you can't tell oftentimes that they feel unsafe. And this is a very discreet way, a very discreet tech that allows them to say, I'm not safe, and other people to be able to be witnesses or support in that, in that, yeah, so I think it's really cool.Brad Crowell 21:26  Yeah, definitely, you know, like a lot, like a lot going on there, you know, I think I have something else I wanted to talk about, but just the fact, first off, how the hell is it possible that they build a relationship with the emergency services, where pressing a button on a lipstick container would get the fire department to her house faster than calling nine fucking one one, like, what? How did they? How did they do that? I didn't even know that I didn't even know how that's possible. Lesley Logan 21:52  (inaudible) want to know. But obviously, like that might be like, you know, confidential information is I want people to know, not because, like, you know, like, maybe they're not allowed to say, maybe it's an NDA. But no, we called 911, and got put on hold.Brad Crowell 22:05  What? But it also makes you realize that there are, like, clearly, there are systems that can be tapped into, and they were able to figure that out. I didn't even know that that was a thing. Like, I would have imagined.Lesley Logan 22:19  It makes me think of what's the Italian Job where Seth Green's character is like, tapping into, like the yeah napster is like tapping into like the red lights up. That's a red light. That's a green light. Like, clearly, there's.Brad Crowell 22:32  Sorry, I won't start until you address me as Napster.Lesley Logan 22:34  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's clearly, like, something. But I also just want to say, like, if you haven't yet listened to the episode, you want to listen to it so you could understand what the product is, and you can also see it on our YouTube channel. It's quite cool, and I think, an excellent gift for every woman in your life, even if they're married, it's you, you, because she talks about using it for like a kid she saw on the street. Brad Crowell 22:55  So yeah, she said, yeah. She and and her husband saw a kid with no shoes in Vegas, which walking down a sidewalk or whatever, and she's like, there's something wrong here clearly, you know, so, but, but, yeah, I mean, it's, anyway, the tech part is fascinating and really, really fancy. And then, of course, they have, it's lipstick, so presumably they will have different colors at some point. Lesley Logan 23:19  Yeah, there's a whole thing. It's, I mean, she's done a great job. Brad Crowell 23:22  And then, but anyway, you know, she was talking about blame culture, oh yeah. And she was talking about how there's a crazy number of people who've experienced drink spiking where, you know, I was looking up a bunch of stats, and, like, like, at very least 10% of women have reported it saying, like, I either have my drink spiked, or I saw someone spike someone else's drink. Lesley Logan 23:44  It's also, I think the number is so high because, like (inaudible). Brad Crowell 23:50  Well, that's, that's only, that's only, like people who have actually reported it, you know. And then there's, there's polling that has happened where you know it's, it's not, that's not necessarily reported to, like, it's a poll. Lesley Logan 24:00  Well, can you imagine if nothing, or you don't know if anything happened to you? Like, I have just in all the podcasts I listen to, like, people have called the cops and the cops are like. Brad Crowell 24:10  Don't do shit. Lesley Logan 24:11  Don't do fucking shit. And don't I'm not, like, I'm not against police, guys. What I am against is this culture of, like, not believing women, and it goes to this blame stuff. Like, what were you wearing? What were you doing? You know, like, if you're.Brad Crowell 24:23  Or it's like, did they, did they threaten you? You know, like, I guess maybe I don't know what the actually, this is interesting. If you, if you know, what do you need to say to get them to pay attention? That would be something that'd be worth finding. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, just, there's a there's a.Brad Crowell 24:43  Well, because here's like, I, my personal experience was I had somebody threaten me when I was living in L.A. right, and I was afraid, and I didn't know what to do, so I called the police, and it wasn't an emergency. He wasn't like, he wasn't at my door. But I called them, and I said, hey, I I don't know what to do here, but, like, this guy's threatened me, and he's he might be on his way over right now. I don't. know what to do. And they were like, did he threaten to kill you? And I was like, he didn't say, I'm going to kill you. And they were like, we're not going to do anything. And I was like, what? Like, he's, he's making me feel like I'm in trouble.Lesley Logan 25:11  Well, I just listened to, it was just, I was listening to, like, a Dateline or something like that. And they brought up the story about this woman, Denise, who was kidnapped from her home, and then, like, taken away for several days, and then, and then told not to tell anyone. And they called her the American Gone Girl, like the real life Gone Girl. They didn't believe her boyfriend. They said he must have done it. He must, must have done it. They didn't believe her. They tried to charge her with a crime. They just said that they, like, wasted the police time. Then come to find out, two other victims called separate police departments to claim the same thing, and those police departments didn't believe them. Why would anyone do that? Like, didn't believe them. So I am with you. Like, we don't we need to know. What do cops need to hear so they actually believe what you're saying. But also, like, I think it just goes.Brad Crowell 25:53  Like, it's a common experience among survivors is that they're like, I wasn't believed, right, and, and, like, the the number of people who, in polling have to have have said, hey, yes, I've experienced drink spiking, is like, could be, like, super high. It could be as high as one in two women. Right? And anyway, like when you put it all together, there's clearly a problem. It's fucked up, that there's a problem, but there is a problem, right? And then when women aren't believed, you know, and it doesn't actually just have to be women having their drink spiked. Anybody can have their drink spiked. Lesley Logan 26:28  I listen to the podcast Bad Dates, many men get their drinks spiked. Brad Crowell 26:31  Yeah, when, when if it's reported and it's not believed, what does that teach the person who reported it? Yeah, that they're they're not going to try to even report it next time. What's the point is what they're going to say. Lesley Logan 26:43  And that's what puts you people in not so great situations, where by the time something does happen, it's a little too late to get help. But I think, like, what, you know, she talked a little bit like changing, changing the shift of of shame from the survivor, from the survivor to the perpetrator, and making that the focus. And I think when you use a product like they have, or you educate women in an or man in this way of like, what? What does it mean to like it's not your fault. It really is is more empowering because now you, especially like, so many people are have fear about like, well, what goes what if something goes wrong on the date? What happens if something goes wrong in the interview? What if something goes wrong at the house showing like, we can take some of the fear away and put some control back in the hands of the person who might be might become a victim of something, and we can hopefully stop that or mitigate that.Brad Crowell 27:32  Yeah, and obviously, you know, Joy and her company are very aware of all of the stigma, so they've been intentional about their names of their products. Like, one of them is called We Believe You, It's Not The Dress, you know, like, like, stuff like that, which speak directly to the problem, the real problem, which is the blame game.Lesley Logan 27:54  Yeah, yeah. I just think it's like, you know, unfortunately, we're recording this, like, right after, like, some of the Diddy trials and Weinstein's retrial, and, like, it starts to make you think that, like, the Me Too movement, kind of, like, didn't, didn't have the effect that we thought it would have, and women aren't being believed as much or, or the blame is on them for putting themselves in the situations. And I think, like, if we can all think about it differently, we can actually start to spot things and support people, instead of going, well, how did that happen to them? Like with a judgment, it can, things can happen to anybody at any time in this world. And since we can't actually stop these perpetrators because we don't know who they are, what we can all do is band together and be part of a support system, of of being there for people, whether we know them or not, and just being a safety for them, and also not assuming it's what they wore or what they did at a certain time, or why would you be on that street, like all that stuff is unhelpful and.Brad Crowell 28:54  Doesn't solve the problem anyway. Lesley Logan 28:55  No, doesn't, doesn't. So, anyways, we can get our high horse on this forever. But I do love what Joy is doing, and I think this product is really cool. Brad Crowell 29:03  Yeah. And also, you know, driven by a clear problem that needs a solution. And, you know, it's just really, really clever. And you know, if you see, if you actually go look at the lipstick, it's pretty innocuous. You wouldn't act there's no like, press here, like Acme button kind of a thing. It's, it's quick, easy and then what, what I thought was also cool is you can set it so that, if I think there's settings, if you click it once, you can alert one person. If you click it twice, you can alert a different person.Lesley Logan 29:34  Yeah, you can set up the different things in the app for what you do. And one of our neighbors, you know, her daughter was going off to EDC. Daughter's 19 years old, going to EDC, and of course, the mom wants her daughter to go to EDC, like you should experience festivals when you're 19. She had this product, and she had a Narcan, a Narcan thing so she could be there in case someone needed it, right, like Narcan for somebody who's overdosing, but she had this product to make sure that her own stuff was safe. And that she could be safe so she could enjoy herself and be at EDC. You know, I love, for a 19 year to live in a place where she could just go to a festival and be fine. We don't live in that world. So I love that she was empowered to have a good time and also take care of herself and her friends. Brad Crowell 30:19  That's really cool. That's cool. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because Joy gave us a couple of really amazing Be It Action Items. We're going to dig into those. Brad Crowell 30:19  All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Joy Hoover? She said, hold space for yourself. This came from her conversation around the collective trauma that she and her husband and, you know, daughter experience when her daughter was only eight, but with her in laws, right? And she said, immediately after it happened, they started to get therapy as a as a couple, and they've maintained, you know, therapy since, and that was 2013, so it's been a while, right? And she said, prioritizing your healing, it puts you in a position to help others without inadvertently hurting them, right? Like she said, she's and the call out here was, you have to heal yourself first. You can't heal the heal the world if you're not healing yourself first, right? And she said something very intention. She said it was it's not about your intention, right? It's about your impact. And you could have the intention of helping people, but actually be hurting them. So you need to heal yourself first before you're going on to support others in that kind of a way. She said, also, it's not selfish. It's she said, it is selfish to not heal yourself first. It's not selfish to take care of yourself. It's selfish if you don't take care of yourself. Lesley Logan 31:53  I mean now I love this. Brad Crowell 31:55  Yeah, and this is, like, obviously, right up our alley, you know? And.Lesley Logan 32:00  Do you know what I read the other day in it, in my own My Morning reads, And I am like, now preaching it, because I always say, like, self-care isn't selfish care, right? So self-care is actually an act of self-love. And if you do not love yourself, you actually cannot love other people. Can't. You can feel like you're loving on them and supporting them and liking them, but like, you actually can't truly love others because you don't love yourself. And the hatred and vitriol we're seeing in this world today, online, and in other places, is just because a bunch of people don't love themselves. And we're like, the world needs love. Gotta love yourself first. Cannot just like, go out you can't just spread yourself thin. And I think that that act of therapy, an act of self-love, it's an act of self-care. It's very important. It's not selfish. You're right. Brad Crowell 32:45  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 32:44  Okay, so she said she encouraged us all to join the Swipe Red movement. The core slogan of the movement is, "No more shame, no more doubt. We see red flags, we call them out." And so you can contribute to the community awareness if you just go to Esōes Cosmetics, and that's at esoescosmetics.com and it provides platforms for community engagement. You can submit experiences you had so others can recognize and respond to similar threats. I think that's really important, because sometimes you have not experienced a red flag, but if you hear about other people's, you go, oh, and then you can see the signs. Brad Crowell 33:10  You know, it's funny, because it, I get a weekly email forwarded from my mom who gets notifications from her company about cybersecurity threats, right? And what people have done to trick other people into giving away information that eventually could hurt them, right? And so it's the same idea here. You know this, the community platform that they've put together is a way to just become more educated and be aware. So I love that. Lesley Logan 33:53  And also, in that community, you can ask for guidance on your own red flags. You can submit a question to inquire the situation the minor ick or a significant red flag. Here's the thing, I love this because, you know, 12 years ago, my therapist was like, Yeah, miss, you ignored the red flags in your relationship. So you need to go back into your memory box about those first dates and what flags did you ignore that were red so that you can spot them as you date. And then you have to practice like, how red is this flag? Is this an orange flag? Is it a yellow flag? What kind of flag is this? And I love this because you don't have to do it by yourself. You could do with other people. You could help you can use other people's red flags to help you. So I think it's really cool. I think it's cool. And what a unique Be It Action Item. So, I'm in. Really cool. I hope everyone goes and checks this out again. Like it can be a great gift for a woman in your life or a person in your life, but also, just like to be aware of what's going on. It's so easy for us to think it won't happen to us, and this stuff, you know, like, some people, I've heard people go, oh, I'm too old for that. Like it won't happen to me. And like, I worry the fuck out of like, my mom and women her age who are dating. I'm like, like, no, there are things that can happen to you. I remember my 80 year old clients, like, I can't get pregnant. I'm like, yeah, but you can get crabs, babe. Like, what? You can't just feel like life's good now I don't have anything to worry about. No, bad things happen to good people. You have to be aware. So, thanks, Joy for what you're doing. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 35:16  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 35:17  How are you going to use these tips in your life? Please let us know. Let Joy Hoover at Esōes Cosmetics know, let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. I think it's a great episode to share with a friend. Yes, there's some information that could be hard to listen to, but I think it's really important. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 35:35  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 35:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 36:19  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 36:24  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 36:29  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 36:36  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 36:39  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Episode 303 features a discussion on the Major League Baseball career of the legendary Hall of Fame pitcher, Waite Hoyt.  Jimmy Carbone and Sean Ludwig talk about whole hog cooking and the upcoming barbecue event, Pig Island NYC.  Hunter Breshears of Plainville Farms and Leidy's Premium Meats takes us to a New York Mets game. Tim Manners is a writer, communications consultant and baseball fan.  He is a former FM-radio disc jockey, publicist and magazine publisher. His latest project is Schoolboy: The Untold Journey of a Yankees Hero which he co-wrote with baseball great Waite Hoyt, even though Hoyt had been deceased for almost 40 years before Tim began the project. That story and so much more are in the book and we touched upon some of it in our discussion.  Waite Hoyt signed with the New York Giants in 1915 when he was a junior in high school.  When he was younger, he was faced with the possibility of having both hands amputated, but overcame that and a lot more to become the best pitcher for the New York Yankees in the 1920s as he and his teammates, including Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig won three of their World Championships.   Jimmy Carbone is back and this time he and Sean Ludwig engage in a fascinating discussion about whole hog cooking which you may get to try at his upcoming event, Pig Island NYC.  Pig Island NYC is back for its 16th year on September 6, 2025 when, more than 20 chefs come together at Snug Harbor Cultural Center & Botanical Garden to serve up some of their best dishes.  For more information or to purchase tickets go to  https://pigisland.com/ Sean Ludwig is the founder of NYC BBQ, http://www.nycbbq.com a website and newsletter with news and information on all things barbecue in the NYC metro area.  He is also a co-founder with Ryan Cooper of The Smoke Sheet, https://www.bbqnewsletter.com which is a weekly newsletter that curates the latest national barbecue news, upcoming events, books to read, podcasts to listen to, videos to watch, recipes, and so much more.  Sean provides his thoughts on Pig Island and discusses whole hog cooking with Jimmy Carbone. We recommend you go to Baseball BBQ, https://baseballbbq.com for special grilling tools and accessories, Magnechef https://magnechef.com/ for excellent and unique barbecue gloves, Cutting Edge Firewood High Quality Kiln Dried Firewood - Cutting Edge Firewood in Atlanta for high quality firewood and cooking wood, Mantis BBQ, https://mantisbbq.com/ to purchase their outstanding sauces with a portion of the proceeds being donated to the Kidney Project, and for exceptional sauces, Elda's Kitchen https://eldaskitchen.com/   We conclude the show with the song, Baseball Always Brings You Home from the musician, Dave Dresser and the poet, Shel Krakofsky. We truly appreciate our listeners and hope that all of you are staying safe. If you would like to contact the show, we would love to hear from you. Call the show:  (516) 855-8214 Email:  baseballandbbq@gmail.com Twitter:  @baseballandbbq Instagram:  baseballandbarbecue YouTube:  baseball and bbq Website:  https//baseballandbbq.weebly.com Facebook:  baseball and bbq

Hot August nights turn to bright August nights at the Olbrich Botanical Gardens in Madison, WI.  The Garden's annual GLEAM light show is celebrating its 10th anniversary and opens August 30th, transforming the very bright-by-day gardens into equally bright in a different way by night. The award-winning display runs through October 25th, and this year's exhibit will center on the concept of reflection. Illuminated art installations by light artists from around the country will brighten the Gardens' landscape, reflecting a language of love for the natural world. Concepts such as the intrigue of plants at night, photosynthesis, bioluminescence, and dynamic equilibrium have all been highlighted in past year's displays. Join CP host Ben Futa in conversation this week with Benjamin Smith, Show Curator and Missy Jeanne, Public Programs Manager at Olbrich to talk all things bright and beautiful at Olbrich for this GLEAM season. Listen in! Cultivating Place now has a donate button! We thank you for listening over the years, and we hope you'll continue to support Cultivating Place. We can't thank you enough for making it possible for this young program to grow and engage in even more conversations like these. The show is available as a podcast on SoundCloud and iTunes. To read more and for many more photos, please visit www.cultivatingplace.com.

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell recap the eye-opening interview with David Corbin, a bestselling author and TEDx speaker known for his concept of brand slaughter. Together, they explore how misaligned actions can quietly destroy trust, impact, and identity in both business and life. Tune in for practical strategies to stay aligned with your brand and lead with clarity and confidence.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The benefits of having a spine corrector and a ladder barrel.Why brand misalignment happens and how to spot it.The “face it, follow it, fix it” model for solving challenges.How to listen to what your business needs from you.The link between competence and confidence.Why self-awareness is crucial for growth and leadership.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tourOPC Summer Tour Calgary - Opc.me/CalgaryUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukP.O.T. 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They're like, I don't know what I want. You know that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on the person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right, so that, that creates brand slaughter. Lesley Logan 0:23  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:02  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intuitive convo I have with David Corbin in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that one, you should go listen to that one. It's really fun. It's hilarious.Brad Crowell 1:18  Fascinating conversation. Lesley Logan 1:19  The way it started is quite hilarious. Brad Crowell 1:21  The way it started he's talking about, when you, when you said, you know, who are you and what do you rock at? He said, well, you know, my, my late mother could never describe, you know, what I do for a living, and she thought I just laundered money as my job.Lesley Logan 1:37  But also, like, I forget, because in the episode, do we discover how he got on the show in the episode?Brad Crowell 1:44  No. Lesley Logan 1:45  No, okay.Brad Crowell 1:46  I came into the room afterwards. So for those of you who are wondering. Lesley Logan 1:48  Because I think we talked about it in the episode. Brad Crowell 1:48  Well, okay, okay, I'm actually going to share a little bit about that as we get further into this episode. So hang on. Stick around. We'll talk about how did we connect with David Corbin in the first place? Today. Lesley Logan 2:04  Is August 7th 2025 and today's days were not really aligned with the Be It pod message. So we're looking at tomorrow, August 8th, where it will be International Allyship Day. So International Allyship Day is celebrated annually on August 8th. This holiday dedicates the day to celebrating promoting the power of allyship across the globe. On this unique day, we come together to recognize the importance of standing up for one another, fostering inclusivity and building bridges of support and understanding. Dictionary.com defines allyship as a status or role of a person who advocates and actively works for the inclusion of a marginalized or politicized group in all areas of society, not as a member of that group, but in solidarity with its struggles and point of view and under its leadership. Genuine allyship does not come with special recognition. Do not get awards for confronting issues people have to live with every day. Everyday we should be thinking about this, because it's getting harder and harder for people to see other people as human and deserving, and being worthy of living and having a life that they can have access to health care and housing. And, you know, I just it's.Brad Crowell 3:17  I think, I think, I think we need to go one step higher than that. Lesley Logan 3:21  Okay, let's do it. Brad Crowell 3:22  When you have, when you have leaders in a position of power that are using derogatory language to anybody, towards anybody, it gives other people permission to hold that view. And what's happened in our society, in America right now, with the people who are in power is that they have no regard for anybody else, other than themselves, and so they're using language that is inflammatory and dangerous to be quite honest. Lesley Logan 3:50  Well, themselves and their donors. They do care about who (inaudible). Brad Crowell 3:54  I don't think they care about their donors. They only care about their donors' money. They don't care about anyone except for themselves. The that when they when you use inflammatory language, it creates division in our society, across the board, it creates fear. It also gives permission for people to hold judgmental views or give excuses for other people who are doing terrible things, right? And, you know, I don't, I don't think that everything was like, figured out 10 years ago either, you know, before we had a president who didn't give a shit. But I, but I, you know, in the sense that, like, maybe before, we were nice on the surface and racist underneath, you know, but, but, but now it's like, all out in the open, and people are openly, you know, the vitriol is killing me. It's just so frustrating because there's no, it's not that niceties are the right thing. There's no, there's no respect for human dignity, right? And so even though we disagree with other people, it doesn't change the fact that they are people. Right? Except now we are changing our perspectives on that, and we're alienating others. So, you know, whether that is, you know, a whether that's politically or, what did we say here, marginalized, politicized group or a member of society, right? So it could be political, you know, rhetoric, or it could be a marginalized part of society, you know, or it could be racism, or it could be another whole culture or another whole country, you know, it doesn't matter.Lesley Logan 5:32  Yeah, it's really, it's really, can be really frustrating. I had headaches. My, I was saying, we're sitting at a gym and I said, oh, I'm not getting stuff at Target. My dad goes, why? And I said, well, you know, they are not supportive of DEI and my dad goes, what's DEI? And I said, okay, well, explaining what DEI was and I said, you bought under DEI, you would be an older worker, which, it's harder to get a job. You are also a veteran. Like, like, that's DEI, making sure that you are treated with what you're like what we're supposed to be treated with like, that's part of it. Like, I'm DEI, I'm a female business owner. Now, do we have other privileges? Of course we do. But that doesn't mean that they're like what people, I think, don't understand is how, is how there are the people that they're thinking that they dislike, or that they're creating words around so they don't have to think that they're worthy so much of if they had the access and the rights, you would have better access and rights. You know that we're recording this right now, when the government is trying to get rid of Medicaid, and they have been lying to people, up and down all around that they're not getting rid of Medicaid, they're getting rid of it. And here's what happens, what that means is, if Medicaid doesn't exist, you think that just because you're on Medicaid, it won't affect you, it absolutely will, because your hospital usually runs off the funds of Medicaid, and so if the hospital doesn't have those funds, you might not have a hospital near you. So just because you're not on Medicaid doesn't mean you're not affected. And I think, like, why I like this day so much is like, we have to stop thinking that, because we're different than people, like, not only do they not matter, but like, like, it's not gonna affect us if nothing, if bad things happen to them. Everything is connected.Brad Crowell 7:07  Everything is connected. Lesley Logan 7:08  Everything is connected. Brad Crowell 7:13  Like, people are like, like, to put a very specific example on it, you know, with with the the abduction of farm workers that are happening in the fields. You know how you think that's not going to affect your food supply? It might not affect it today, but give it a couple of months, you know, like when, when ICE camps out and puts up a raid in, you know, in a community, guess who doesn't go to work? Anybody who is afraid. Anybody is afraid. Like they they arrested half the people at a meat packing plant, and the next day, it's not like the other half just decided to show up. No. Only 20% of the original workforce showed up for work the following day, because the rest of the people were like, What if they come and arrest me? Lesley Logan 7:58  Yeah. And so that means your meat is gonna be more expensive. It affects you. Brad Crowell 8:02  Affects us all. Lesley Logan 8:03  Everyone. And so, like, I, I really think that we need to take, I don't care what your religion is, or if you believe in religion at all, if we actually just follow, like, there that's a human fucking being, and they are worthy of living, and they should have dignity and respect, you know, and we would never want for them that to happen to them if it happened to us. Like, if you just look at that going, if you ever think, I'm glad that's not me, that is a sign that you are sitting in a bit more privilege, and you probably should just look at like, what can I do? We can't solve the world's problems. I'm not elected. You're not elected. If this fucking bill passes, we might not have elections. But like, we have to ask, What can I do? How can I change this? Can I be supportive of the people in my what's my bubble of influence? Right? And so not, I guess we'll get off our pedestal here in a second. But like, truly, part of being it till you see it, it will come to you if you love others, and you care about others, not people-pleasing, it's not overworking. It's none of that. It's just like, if you love others, if you love yourself, you can love others, and if you love others, like the world does change. And I think maybe what I'm really saying is like, what the fuck why don't people love themselves? Because if they love themselves, they'd see other people as human beings too. Brad Crowell 9:18  Yeah. Lesley Logan 9:20  We're still on tour, guys, I promise you, we're having a good time. In between the podcast on the news, I promise you, I promise you, we're hugging people. We're having a good time. Brad Crowell 9:33  Yeah, August 7th, that means that we are in Canada. We're actually probably in Kamloops today. Tomorrow, we got a day off. We're going to Banff. We're gonna be up by Lake Louise and seeing the beautiful lake up there. And then we're gonna go the next day to Calgary and teach, before coming back in to the US in Montana, where we're gonna go see the beauty of Glacier National Park. I've always wanted to see it. I'm so excited that we're gonna go up there. And then, yeah. We're gonna hit McCall Idaho on the way back home and teach.Lesley Logan 10:03  I tell you that my family, really, my family went to the tour, and they said, my aunt, my aunt, my auntie and uncle Mike, and they saw the tour, they saw we're in McCall, Idaho. And my uncle goes, you're gonna, you're gonna want to move there. And I was like, oh, like, a vacation home? He's like, no, like, you're gonna want to move there. And I'm like, I don't love the snow, so a vacation home. Got it. Noted. I'll save up.Brad Crowell 10:24  Well, I can't wait to see how beautiful it is.Lesley Logan 10:26  All this to say, like, come to McCall.Brad Crowell 10:28  Come to McCall, yeah, and then meet us in Salt Lake, and then we'll be back in Vegas. Lesley Logan 10:32  Oh, my God. What if people caravaned with us? You could do that.Brad Crowell 10:37  Yes, they could. I mean, we can have like like a roadie tour bus situation with, like, a band, going from show to show, it's possible. Lesley Logan 10:46  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What's that movie?Brad Crowell 10:48  Oh, I know which one you mean. Lesley Logan 10:50  It was glasses. Almost Famous. Brad Crowell 10:53  Yes, that's the one. That's the one. Lesley Logan 10:55  I want, I want someone in great coat to compete with me in my great coat. Anyways, so we'll be, we're still on tour. We hope to see you. We're gonna come back from tour, unpack. Brad Crowell 11:04  Oh, actually, there's still time if you want to participate in the tour, but you're not there, the Calgary stops. So in two days, there's gonna be a virtual, two virtual workshops that we're offering in Calgary. One of them is creating flows on the Tower and Cadillac, and the other one is your Thass® workshop. So come join us virtually, if you can't be there in person. Lesley Logan 11:24  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do that. Brad Crowell 11:25  Just go to opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan 11:27  Yes. And then after we get home, we unpack, we, you know, enjoy the last bits of summer in Las Vegas and we quickly, quickly cool off in the U.K. for our two city tour, the Mullet Tour, which is business workshops in the beginning, and Pilates workshops in the back of the the rest of the day, and some Pilates workouts. And you can go to opc.me/uk to see if there's any spots left. At the time we're recording this, there's a couple spots left in Leeds, and there's a couple spots left in Essex. We did open up some so like, you could just buy one workshop. So maybe if you can't do an entire day off, you want to come for just workshop, we did open that up in the Essex location. So go to opc.me/uk and then we come home and we get cozy for a couple weeks, yep, yep. And then. Brad Crowell 12:12  We're gonna, we're gonna be in P.O.T. in Chicago, by the way. Lesley Logan 12:15  Yes, we're doing P.O.T. Chicago. Brad Crowell 12:16  Yeah, P.O.T. Chicago beginning October. Lesley Logan 12:19  Actually, if you're hearing it right now, you can still get the early bird discount on P.O.T. Chicago. So if there are spots left, you can go, that's gonna be at Balanced Body site. I don't know the link, so just go to Balanced Body. Just Google P.O.T. Chicago 2025 it will come up. And I'm leaving the Joe's gyms, so their work, you get to come and work out, and I walk around and make sure that you're like, kicking ass. And from Chicago, we fly to San Francisco, from San Francisco to Singapore, Singapore to Cambodia. Cambodia, we lead our retreat. Brad Crowell 12:48  Oh, yeah. And in fact, at the end of the Cambodia trip, we may actually be teaching in Singapore. We're working that out right now.Lesley Logan 12:55  We're trying to, we're trying to do a thing in Singapore, and we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens, and then we're gonna come home and be home for like, a little over a month, and then we're back on tour again, but we'll tell you more about that later. So you want to go to crowsnestretreats.com if you want to be on a retreat with us, we're taking a very small group this year, and you really get to spend a whole week with us. Brad Crowell 13:16  Yeah, it's gonna be so fun. Lesley Logan 13:17  It's a lot of fun.Brad Crowell 13:18  It's amazing. It's a really good time. So go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Before we get into this convo you have with David Corbin, however, let's dig into this audience question that we had. I couldn't actually get the entire name of the person from the screenshot, so I'm pretty sure it was Rosie B something, something, numbers, numbers from YouTube asked, hi Lesley, I've heard you say that a spine corrector can be a good addition to your mat to your mat practice if you don't have space or the budget for the big equipment at your home. Can you, or have you talked about the different options for barrels or arcs? I did not realize that there were so many different choices, especially regarding the different options with angles and depths of the well. Great question. Lesley Logan 14:02  Yeah, I love this. We do have a video on, like, all the equipment, like, literally every piece of equipment. And I don't know if we did a video just on the barrels, but I know that we have, I know that our mastery and the basics on the barrels, you could hear a lot about barrels in that workshop that's on OPC, but let me just chat a little bit. So the spine corrector, if you could only buy one barrel, is the best one of the bunch, because you have two options for the extension on that one, and it allows you to do all the things you could do on a spine corrector. If you had a small barrel, that's nice if you have extra room. That and also it's really only for those who are have a tighter back or are a bit more fun sized, the smaller barrels for that. Brad Crowell 14:50  Yeah, we don't have a YouTube video. Lesley Logan 14:52  On just barrels. Brad Crowell 14:52  On just just. Lesley Logan 14:53  But there's that one video that has, like every single piece of equipment, it took us forever. We filmed every single piece. Brad Crowell 15:00  Yeah, so we've got a couple. One is called Pilates for Beginners: How to Choose the Right Equipment. We have.Lesley Logan 15:08  It's, it's another one. Anyways, I'll keep talking. It's another one. So it's, it's, why.Brad Crowell 15:14  Types of Pilates Equipment. Lesley Logan 15:16  Yes, that's the one. Brad Crowell 15:16  Pilates reformers, ladder, Pilates ladder, Tower and Guillotine. Lesley Logan 15:17  That's the one. Brad Crowell 15:17  I think a best Pilates equipment to improve your practice. That's reformer versus chair. Lesley Logan 15:27  No, this is really boring now. Brad Crowell 15:29  Yeah, good times. Anyway, just go onto our YouTube channel.Lesley Logan 15:31  Well, you didn't make it sound like it's easy to find. It exists and it literally is every single, we do a Reformer, a mat, we do the High Chair, we do the Cadillac, we do all the barrels. I explained each one, so, but my point is, if you can only buy one, get the Spine Corrector. If you're on the fun-sized, you can skip the Spine Corrector if you can only buy one thing and get the small barrel, but you will be limited a little bit. If you can get two things, and you're not so fun-sized or tight, then a Spine Correct and a Ladder Barrel, but a Ladder Barrel does take up space, and you specifically liked that I was saying that a Spine Corrector could help enhance your practice, your mat practice, if you don't have a lot of space. And the reason I say that is because you can do the arm series on there, the leg series on there, and then do your mat practice. Or you could do your mat practice and do your arm series and leg series. You could do swimming. You could do teaser. You could do a sported teaser. You're having a hard time getting your hips overhead. The Spine Corrector is really, really helpful for that. So I really do love that. And so I know I go into great detail about these things in our Mastering the Basics on the Barrels workshop on OPC, unfortunately, it's not free, but if you buy our Barrels Flashcards, just a little hint, there's a way to get that workshop on a discount (inaudible) barrels. And then I particularly like the Contrology brand because it is based off of the original pieces. And it's like they went through a lot of effort to get. Brad Crowell 16:44  To dig those up. Lesley Logan 16:45  To dig them up. And it's really amazing.Brad Crowell 16:46  Well, what you can actually do is go to opc.me/perks, opc.me/perks when you're on there, scroll down halfway, and you'll see a list of all the equipment that we recommend. And we actually have links to multiple arcs and barrels on that list that you know so you can go see the ones that Lesley did.Lesley Logan 16:47  The Contrology Spine Corrector is my ultimate favorite. Brad Crowell 17:10  Yeah, the Contrology is the one that we have at our house. But not everybody, you know, wants the bigger, heavier one. So we do have a couple of the arcs on there. Lesley Logan 17:19  Oh, well, we do have those and I will just say the reason I like a Contrology is actually do like the weight. The foam ones are great. If you are a studio teaching a class and you have to have a bunch of they're lightweight, they're easy to stack. But when you are doing your exercise, you have to put like little pads down. Oftentimes they slide around, or they could be too light, and they might move. And so I prefer the Contrology, and I know it's more than the East Coast arc and East Coast foam, and that's what everyone wants, but I'm just saying it's a little more comfortable to have a little little cushion. Anyways, you can send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions you can text us at 309055534, still haven't secured the number that we can say, Be It Pod, but we'll get we're working on it. We just discovered it 20 minutes ago when we recorded the last episode. So it's coming. It's coming. Send your wins in, send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions.Brad Crowell 18:10  Okay, welcome back now. Let's talk about Mr. David Corbin. David Corbin is a Wall Street Journal bestselling author of 14 books, a TEDx speaker and an award winning inventor in healthcare and wellness. And he's an ex, he describes himself as an ex-Woodstock attendee. Lesley Logan 18:29  I know, the original. Brad Crowell 18:30  He's also a father, grandfather and husband. He is known as the illuminator. David specializes in helping individuals and companies face it, follow it and fix it, transform challenges into opportunities, which is pretty amazing, actually. His work centers on taking ownership, accessing your inner wisdom and learning to tune into the you to achieve prosperity and fulfillment. Not included in our mini little bio that we wrote here is that David also, his inventor stuff. He created this thing called the Rejuvenation Station, and it's a box, okay? It's like a phone booth, but it's a little bit bigger, because you sit down inside of it, okay, but it's portable, and you can move it around. And you go in and you throw on some headphones, and you immerse yourself in another world for just a few minutes, right? Five to 10 minutes. There's like. Lesley Logan 19:19  I want one of these at the airport. Brad Crowell 19:22  Oh, it would be, I mean, where he, where he's been selling them into is hospitals for the staff. Lesley Logan 19:29  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 19:30  Because the staff never gets a moment to take a breather. And they could take five minutes and they come out and like he, he's, he said he's been able to measure their their stats before they go in and out of this thing. And he said, you know, where, where they're, you know, always in a high stress environment, this can help them with longevity of their job, of their enjoyment, of their life, of their of themselves. And actually, that's how I met him, when I was at an event, he had a booth, and he had the Rejuvenation Station there. And I just started, it was like, the end of the day, everyone was milling around or leaving, and I just started talking to him. And it was so, like, it was an easy conversation. Obviously, he's like, he's very, very intelligent. He's like, tells a lot of stories, a lot of fun to be around. And we started talking about his tool that he made, built and yeah, that's how we connected in the first place.Lesley Logan 20:21  It was, okay, and I think I said this on the pod, I usually pre-interview anyone who comes on. If I don't, it's because, like, we already know each other, we're friends, or I was on their pod and I liked them. You know what I mean? Like, it's very, it's, it's not often that, like, there's just someone on my calendar I've never, I know nothing about. And so I'm looking at like, the updates on his like file for the pod, and I see a business card, and I'm like, this looks like Brad's thumb. I think it's Brad's thumb. Who is this guy? And he didn't know you. He didn't remember.Brad Crowell 20:56  No, he didn't remember, he shouldn't have even known my name, but like, he might remember us talking, maybe if he saw my face but like, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:01  It was, it was hilarious, and it was so I think it was after all of it was said and done, the whole thing was done I hit, ended the record of the interview, and he and I are chatting, and Brad comes in, because I think it was laughing or whatever, and that's we discovered that you met him and like, you should be on our show. And he's like, okay.Brad Crowell 21:19  Yes. Lesley Logan 21:20  Anyways, I'm glad it worked out. I really liked a lot of things he had to say, I think this is an episode that there's a lot of nuggets. Brad Crowell 21:29  A lot of nuggets. Lesley Logan 21:31  A lot of nuggets. And he said, you can't solve everything you face, but you can't solve anything unless you face it. And of course, like, isn't that so good?Brad Crowell 21:40  It's so obvious. But like, when you say it, you're like, oh, I, am I avoiding things? It's great.Lesley Logan 21:46  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, he said, believes his secret sauce is being awake, aware, alert, and that kind of, like, I think that that, like, probably what led to his mindset around it helped others avoid when that's where he uses his model, face, it, follow it, fix it. You know. And so, and when you think about that in your in anything that you're doing, face it, follow it, fix it. And then it allows you to take more action. It allows you to stop avoiding things. It can be used in personal life and professional life. It can be used in a project that doesn't go well, or a conversation that didn't go well. I think it's just brilliant.Brad Crowell 22:19  Yeah, it's, it's clear and concise. It's something that you can remember. When he was talking about how he works with these companies, he said that you can apply this personally to yourself, or you can apply it to a team or organization or company, face it, follow it, fix it, you know, and, and he had a bunch of examples that I, you know, I thought were really helpful. And he talked about one that, one company that he consulted for, that rhymes with schmamanos, I think, is what he said. And, you know, he said, you know, as they started to dig in, they started to realize that they're not a pizza company, they're a crisis management company. And he said, it all came down to how they answer the phone and what they recommend, and when they, when they, when they faced the problem they had, and they followed it, they started figuring out, then they fixed it, and that was a fix. And it's funny, because, you know, we tell that all the time, like, you are, you know, you're not, quote- unquote, just a Pilates teacher, you know, end quote, you're that's not enough. You know, that's like, people, first off, don't know what Pilates is. Second off, they.Lesley Logan 23:23  Not anymore. They used to, I used to think there would be a day when they know what it is, and now, no.Brad Crowell 23:27  I mean that, that aside, that's not the point. They have their preconceived notion of what Pilates is, okay? And so if you just say, oh, I'm a Pilates teacher, then you're trusting that they know what that actually means, right? As opposed to having a clear response of like, oh, I help such and such type of people do these things you know in their life through Pilates, now they're like, wow, I didn't know Pilates could help people like that, you know, and that and you described me. I want that for me, right? And so when you start to face it, follow it, fix it, you might actually have a whole new view on what it is that you do. You know, I thought that was pretty cool. Lesley Logan 23:27  I agree. I loved it. Brad Crowell 24:01  Yeah, one of the things that I really like, first off, he's very quippy, because he writes books, right? So he's got 14 books. So every book, you know, he tries to make a short, concise, punchy, right, memorable. And so, like, that's the kind of guy that, when you get him on a topic, and especially if he knows a lot about the topic, because he did a whole lot of research to write that book, you know, you're going to get these kinds of things. So one of his books he talks about, his Brand Slaughter. And I just started laughing, because, like, what a visual, right? You're slaughtering your brand, you know, but, but he talks about just simply actions that you're doing that are create, that are contradicting what you intended, or like they're they're not bringing around about the desired results and and you know, same thing, like you can apply the concept of brand slaughter to the what I was just talking about where they're answering the phone, and instead of the response being, oh, well, what kind of pizza do you want? They're like, I don't I don't know what I want. Instead of that, you know, that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on this person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right? So that that creates brand slaughter, as opposed to being suggestive and saying, oh, well, for people in your situation where it's chaos and you just need a decision right now, you should go with option number two. And then they get to say, that sounds great, because they just need help. What's option number two? And you can sell and, by the way, if you need this extra stuff, you can upsell them all that kind of a thing, right? So it's, he said, you're either living your brand or you're committing brand slaughter. You know. He said, when individuals or companies allow their brand or reputation be undermined or, quote-unquote, killed by actions or behaviors that do not align with their desired image. And, you know, he said he actually has all these acronyms and all this stuff. And he and he, like, he like, flipped through them, and I didn't even follow them at all. And you laughingly said, I've A.D.D. so I don't know what you just said, because I was stuck on the first one, but he said he created a following, the following flow, to teach companies and people how to maintain their own identity. IDB with the ABI to the SBI divided by the MBV. I don't remember, but basically he said, you take your intended brand descriptors, which is how you want to be described, and then you audit the brand integrity you're assessing if you are living up to your intended brand descriptor. So if this is what you say you're doing, are you actually doing it, right? So, and then the second, the third step is review your strategic brand initiative or SBI. So these are the actions taken to close the gap between your intentions and your actions, right? And then finally, you have, when you do those three steps, you're creating massive brand value, right? The result of consistently applying those three steps. So he said, everything you do is either living into how you want to be described, or it's not.Lesley Logan 27:14  Just like that. Brad Crowell 27:15  Just like that, we just solved it. Lesley Logan 27:17  Yep, and now sometimes we just need to hear like, not sugar coated in that way, you know.Brad Crowell 27:22  Yeah, fascinating. I mean. And he knows his stuff so well that he just like, bam, bam, bam, bam. Lesley Logan 27:27  I know he really did. And I was just like, come on. I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, hold on. I'm still over here. What is that? And then acronyms are really hard for me to like, remember all of them? It's just like, not. Brad Crowell 27:38  I know, even the ones I just read, if I didn't have them in front of me, I'd be like, what?Lesley Logan 27:41  Yeah, no, I, and to be honest, also running in the back of my mind with my ADHD, was like, who is this man? I mean that, like, I loved the whole interview but the whole time I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? Why is he?Brad Crowell 28:00  I love that. I think that's so fun. Also, too, like, from when I met him to when the interview finally happened was months, like, six months more, I don't know, like, so, like, I read his name, and I was like, I know him but I can't remember.Lesley Logan 28:12  You met him, you went to, you went to that event, like, a year ago, it was summer of last year, and then I interviewed him like beginning of this year. So, it's definitely six months.Brad Crowell 28:16  So it was more than six months later. Yeah and fascinating. Well, anyway, stick around. We got a little bit more to dig into from David Corbin, so we'll be right back with those Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 28:36  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items from David Corbin, we've got bold executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with him. David shared a metaphor, a metaphorical exercise he introduced during his TEDx talk using imaginary LSD, which I think is hilarious, because the whole time he's talking groovy and talking about being a hippie and going to Woodstock, and he's like, yeah, I didn't save he told everyone in the TEDx, 500 people, he's like, I saved y'all some LSD from when I went to Woodstock, which, who knows when that even was.Lesley Logan 29:07  It's like the 60s babe. Brad Crowell 29:09  Right, well, because they also had a new one in the 90s. So I'm assuming he was talking about the 60s. Lesley Logan 29:17  The 60s. The 90s was burnt down to the ground. Brad Crowell 29:20  It doesn't change the fact he could have been there. But he said, he said, he said, you're going to take this imaginary LSD, and I don't know what he passed out, but he actually passed something out. So people, literally, I'm pretty sure they took something. Lesley Logan 29:22  It's like a little piece. I thought it's like a little piece of paper, isn't LSD, like a little paper? Brad Crowell 29:23  Like a tab, could be, I'm sure it comes in different forms. But anyway, he said you're going to, here's what's going to happen when you take this imaginary LSD, you're going to imagine that your business can talk back to you.Lesley Logan 29:44  Oh, because when you're on LSD.Brad Crowell 29:47  Yeah, things can happen. He said, so here's what you're going to ask your businessLesley Logan 29:50  We clearly have not done LSD, we have no idea what we're talking about. Brad Crowell 29:51  He said, ask your business. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? So he said, make two lists, job functions and character traits. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, then get naked of ego. He actually said, just says, get naked, but not with your clothes off. That's, he said, that's the easy part. He said the hard part is get naked of your ego and rate yourself on a scale of one to 10 across those what do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, identify the gaps and take actions to close them. So.Lesley Logan 29:54  Okay, LSD, definitely can like, be a little piece of paper or like a stamp. Brad Crowell 30:23  Oh, can be like a stamp. Lesley Logan 30:28  Yes, I do remember, like, during the day or years of like, be careful. Like someone gives you, like, a little sticker, it can stick on your tongue and dissolve. It can be in a pill form. I am seeing this, but it, like, a lot of it is like sheets of, like, wild colors and like, like, oh, do you remember the elephants in Winnie, the Pooh, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, yeah, the Heffalumps. I think they're called. They were kind of like spooky and weird. I think Winnie the Pooh is on LSD. Brad Crowell 31:03  Oh, yeah, you're right, Heffalump. Lesley Logan 31:05  Heffalumps. Brad Crowell 31:05  Heffalump. Lesley Logan 31:06  Heffalumps. Yeah. Looking at this, maybe he was on, maybe he took LSD in my cartoon. You know, they always sort of like supplementally, anyways, we are off topic. Brad Crowell 31:15  Well, okay, David Corbin did his TEDx Talk called Woodstock Wisdom in January of 2023, so you're welcome to go watch it. I'm sure it's a trip. Maybe pun intended, but he but he said when you can do this, when you can compare, when you can let go of your ego, and you can actually take rate yourself and then be able to take action on that you you can no longer complain about market conditions and competition. You take control of the differences, the distances, and you close those gaps that your business told you you need to close. He said, as you do, you increase your competence, which brings up your confidence, which brings up your competence, which brings up your confidence. And it's a cycle, you know. What about you? What about you? Lesley Logan 31:55  Okay, this is really fun, because he says he doesn't journal. And I was like, yeah, because I always tell people, like, don't journal, but we have the people who've said to journal since episode like 50 have done a really good job, because I tell them, you better tell us fucking journal. But he said he meditates. And I was like, okay, like, because I have a hard time meditating. And he said, so he shared his process. He said, you sit down with a piece of paper and you write an issue or question at the top. So piece of paper, issue or question at the top, you set your timer for 22 minutes, and then, while we're in a meditative state with a question at the top, you write with your eyes closed. And this allows the download of insights to come through from your unconscious mind and universal consciousness on to the paper. And so the goal is you dwell upon the question and you let your intuition provide answers. So because you can't see it, you can't self-edit. He must have great handwriting. Brad Crowell 32:52  No, I'm sure he's writing over top of his own stuff. It really doesn't matter. You can literally write in the same spot, right, because the point of it is not for you to go back and read it later. The point of it is to get it out of your head. Lesley Logan 33:04  Yeah. So he, well, it's kind of like Morning Pages, but with your eyes closed. So he said, the answer to everything you got is already within you. Don't tune into YouTube. Tune in to you. It's another quip. I just I was like, this is so much fun. This is a great interview. Who is he? Tune into you. You know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. And I just if you, if you really haven't listened to it, you've got to listen to it. I'm telling you I joke that I'm like, who is this guy? But, like, he's a bit like a 14 books, a great TEDx Talk.Brad Crowell 33:36  Fascinating. It's a really great conversation. It's fun to meet him in person.Lesley Logan 33:40  Even if you buy nothing out of his stuff. Like, if you just, like, listen over and over again to like the things he's saying you're you're going to, like, change your life. Because if you just think about, like, am I in alignment with my brand or am I curating brand slaughter or am I like, what if you could solve your problems with just writing it down and then writing it over the top with your eyes closed? I think this is really cool. Lesley Logan 34:01  So, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 34:02  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 34:03  Thank you so much for listening to our pod. It really means the world to us. I know I say it all the time, but it's really, really true. Your reviews are like currency, so leave them and share this podcast with a friend who needs to hear it. Share your favorite episode so our listenership can continue to grow. If everyone around you is being it until you see it that makes it so much easier for you to be it till you see it. So until next time. Bye, for now. Oh, you're not going to finish my sentence. I set you up. Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell 34:29  Until next time. Brad Crowell 34:31  Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell 34:33  Bye, for now. Brad Crowell 34:34  Bye.Lesley Logan 34:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 35:21  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 35:26  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 35:31  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 35:38  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 35:41  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Fluent Fiction - Hebrew: Discover the Hidden Dreamscape: Savannah's Secret Gardens Find the full episode transcript, vocabulary words, and more:fluentfiction.com/he/episode/2025-07-27-22-34-02-he Story Transcript:He: ביום קיץ חם בסוואנה, ג'ורג'יה, התלמידים יצאו לטיול השנתי לגני הבוטניקה בסוואנה.En: On a hot summer day in Savannah, Georgia, the students went on their annual trip to the Botanical Gardens in Savannah.He: מאיה, לוי ואליאנה היו שלושת הילדים שבאופן טבעי נמשכו לחוויות ייחודיות.En: Maya, Levi, and Eliana were the three kids naturally drawn to unique experiences.He: הגנים הבוטניים היו יפהפיים.En: The botanical gardens were beautiful.He: שבילים מסודרים פרוסים בין פרחים צבעוניים וצמחיה ירוקה עבה.En: Neat paths stretched between colorful flowers and thick green vegetation.He: החרקים זמזמו בעדינות, והאוויר היה רווי ריח פרחים מתוק.En: Insects gently buzzed, and the air was filled with the sweet scent of flowers.He: מאיה, עם עין סקרנית ולב חפץ הרפתקאות, רצתה לגלות משהו מיוחד.En: Maya, with a curious eye and a heart longing for adventure, wanted to discover something special.He: היא ידעה שאם תמצא משהו באמת יוצא דופן, תזכה בהערכה מצד חבריה והמורים.En: She knew that if she found something truly extraordinary, she would earn the admiration of her friends and teachers.He: "אליאנה, לוי, בואו ננסה לחפש משהו מגניב," לחשה מאיה.En: "Eliana, Levi, let's try to find something cool," whispered Maya.He: אליאנה, עם ראייה אמנותית, חיפשה תמיד את היופי הלא צפוי, והיא התרגשה מהרעיון.En: Eliana, with an artistic vision, was always searching for unexpected beauty, and she was excited by the idea.He: אבל לוי היסס.En: But Levi hesitated.He: "צריכים להישאר עם הקבוצה," אמר.En: "We need to stay with the group," he said.He: "אסור לנו להתרחק.En: "We're not supposed to wander off."He: "מאיה החזיקה במפת הגנים.En: Maya held the map of the gardens.He: "תראי כאן," אמרה לאליאנה, מצביעה על אזור אסור למבקרים.En: "Look here," she said to Eliana, pointing to a restricted area.He: "בטוח שם נמצא משהו מעניין.En: "I bet there is something interesting there."He: "לבסוף, נכנע לוי ללחצי חבריו ונגרר אחריהן.En: Finally, Levi succumbed to his friends' pressure and trailed after them.He: השלושה הצליחו להיכנס לאזור המוגבל.En: The three managed to enter the restricted area.He: בדרך הם גילו שביל נסתר שהוביל לחלק מבודד בגנים.En: Along the way, they discovered a hidden path leading to an isolated part of the gardens.He: הם הגיעו למקום קסום שנראה כאילו לא נגעו בו שנים.En: They arrived at a magical place that seemed untouched for years.He: פרחים נדירים קישטו את השטח לצד מפל מים קטן.En: Rare flowers adorned the area beside a small waterfall.He: המראה היה מהמם.En: The sight was stunning.He: מאיה, שהבטיחה להביא משהו מיוחד, ידעה שהיא מצאה את המתנה המושלמת.En: Maya, who had promised to bring something special, knew she had found the perfect gift.He: "הם חייבים לראות את זה," אמרה אליאנה בעיניים נוצצות.En: "They have to see this," said Eliana, her eyes sparkling.He: השלושה חזרו לגבוצה עם סיפורים ותמונות של תגליותיהם.En: The three returned to the group with stories and pictures of their discoveries.He: המורה התרגשה ומאיה זכתה בכל מחמאות חבריה לכיתה.En: The teacher was thrilled, and Maya received all the compliments from her classmates.He: הם למדו שמורים מוקירי הרפתקאות אם הן נעשות בפיקוח ואחריות.En: They learned that teachers appreciate adventures when they're conducted under supervision and responsibility.He: בסופם של יום, מאיה למדה להיות אחראית אף שהיא אוהבת לגלות, לוי למד לצאת מהמוח השמרני שלו ולחוות דברים חדשים, ואליאנה הרגישה סוף כל סוף שמישהו מעריך את הכישורים והראייה האמנותית שלה.En: At the end of the day, Maya learned to be responsible even though she loves to explore, Levi learned to break out of his conservative mindset and try new things, and Eliana finally felt that someone appreciated her artistic skills and vision.He: אז הם זכו בחוויות שהן יותר מיופי חיצוני - הם הכירו צדדים חדשים בעצמם ובחברים.En: Thus, they gained experiences that were more than just external beauty—they discovered new sides of themselves and their friends. Vocabulary Words:annual: שנתיbotanical: בוטניקהgardens: גניםunique: ייחודיותvegetation: צמחיהbuzzed: זמזמוcurious: סקרניתadmiration: הערכהartistic: אמנותיתvision: ראייהhesitated: היססwander: להתרחקtrails: שביליםrestricted: מוגבלsuccumbed: נכנעpressure: לחץisolated: מבודדuntouched: לא נגעוadorned: קישטוwaterfall: מפל מיםstunning: מהמםsparkling: נוצצותcompliments: מחמאותthrilled: התרגשהconducted: נעשותsupervision: פיקוחresponsibility: אחריותconservative: שמרניexperiences: חוויותappreciated: מעריךBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/fluent-fiction-hebrew--5818690/support.

Workers in Norfolk become the second botanical garden in the state to unionize in as many years.

Garden workers will vote on whether or not to unionize on July 23.

This episode of the Amazing Cities and Towns Podcast, sponsored by Civi Social and Bearing Advisors, Jim Hunt interviews Jolien Caraballo from Port St Lucie, FL   ·       A candid conversation about governing a growing city ·       And, much more   7 Steps to an Amazing City:   Attitude Motivation Attention to Detail Zing Inclusiveness Neighborhood Empowerment Green Awareness   Thanks for listening and look forward to having you join us for the next episode.   Links Mentions During Show:   ·       www.AmazingCities.org ·       www.AmazingCities.org/podcast to be a guest on the podcast   About Jolien Caraballo     Jolien Caraballo has been a resident of Port St. Lucie for more than 30 years. Her passion for serving the public began early in life, sparked while attending local public schools and actively participating in student governments. In particular, her experience in a high-school teen court program made an indelible impression — and led to a lifelong interest in public affairs and government. Not long after, she landed an internship with the City of Port St. Lucie's Community Relations Department, where she attained invaluable skills and knowledge into local government. She has stayed involved in the City of Port St. Lucie ever since those early experiences. This involvement has given her inestimable insight into local government operations and helped her develop an appreciation for the work of the City Council. Her eagerness to be in the know and make positive changes influenced her to volunteer in various political causes and campaigns while pursuing higher education at Indian River State College. Continuously engaged in the community, Caraballo also is an active member of the St. Lucie County Transportation Planning Organization and the Treasure Coast Regional League of Cities. She was the former Director of the PSL Historical Society and has served on the Keep PSL Beautiful committee. Caraballo is also the immediate past president of the Treasure Coast Regional League of Cities. In 2021, she became Vice Mayor and in 2022, she was sworn in as President of the Florida League of Cities, which promotes cities and local self-governance throughout the State. Since becoming President, Caraballo has focused on her initiative of #CommonGrounds, which urges local and state leaders to put people over politics, access over agendas and success over shouting, while strengthening our communities over the common grounds that unite us. She has been married to her husband, Ben, for 22 years. They have two children, Antonio and Anaiah. As a family, the Caraballo's enjoy the staples of PSL — spending their free time visiting local attractions such as the Botanical Gardens, the St. Lucie River, events at the Civic Center and watching the Mets play ball.   About Your Host, Jim Hunt: Welcome to the “Building Amazing Cities and Towns Podcast” … The podcast for Mayors, Council Members, Managers, Staff and anyone who is interested in building an Amazing City.   Your host is Jim Hunt, the author of “Bottom Line Green, How American Cities are Saving the Planet and Money Too” and his latest book, “The Amazing City - 7 Steps to Creating an Amazing City”   Jim is also the former President of the National League of Cities, 27 year Mayor, Council Member and 2006 Municipal Leader of the Year by American City and County Magazine.   Today, Jim speaks to 1000's of local government officials each year in the US and abroad.   Jim also consults with businesses that are bringing technology and innovation to local government.   Amazing City Resources:   Buy Jim's Popular Books: ·       The Entrepreneurial City: Building Smarter Governments through Entrepreneurial Thinking:   https://www.amazingcities.org/copy-of-the-amazing-city   ·       The Amazing City: 7 Steps to Creating an Amazing City:   https://www.amazingcities.org/product-page/the-amazing-city-7-steps-to-creating-an-amazing-city   ·       Bottom Line Green: How America's Cities and Saving the Planet (And Money Too)  https://www.amazingcities.org/product-page/bottom-line-green-how-america-s-cities-are-saving-the-planet-and-money-too   FREE White Paper: ·       “10 Steps to Revitalize Your Downtown”  www.AmazingCities.org/10-Steps   Hire Jim to Speak at Your Next Event: ·       Tell us about your event and see if dates are available at www.AmazingCities.org/Speaking   Hire Jim to Consult with Your City or Town: ·       Discover more details at https://www.amazingcities.org/consulting   Discuss Your Business Opportunity/Product to Help Amazing Cities: ·       Complete the form at https://www.amazingcities.org/business-development   A Special Thanks to Bearing Advisors for the support of this podcast:  www.BearingAdvisors.Net      

Curtis Dvorak, the Wildlife Wanderer for Jacksonville Zoo and Botanical Gardens, joins JMN with details about this weekend's Tunes and Blooms event, upcoming $5 Days, and more. Do you have your Zoo membership yet?

Since the Russian invasion in early 2022, Ukraine's botanical gardens have been serving as centers of respite& recovery. Ukraine gardens & stories featured, Emilee Weaver/Therapeutic Horticulture North Carolina Botanical Garden, Tony Allison/Partnerships for Nature, Duke Gardens—HURRY, OPP FOR WEBINAR ON SAME

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Join Steve Foltz, Director of Horticulture at the Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden, as he delves into the vibrant world of the Zoo's gardens in this enlightening episode of Cincinnati Zoo Tales. Steve shares insights into the meticulous planning behind the Zoo's stunning botanical displays, offering tips on the best annual plants to cultivate in your own garden. He also discusses the Zoo's community gardening initiatives, highlighting their role in promoting sustainability and conservation. Whether you're a seasoned gardener or a budding enthusiast, this episode is brimming with inspiration and practical advice to help your garden flourish.

Step back in time with us as we explore one of Bentonville's most treasured landmarks—the Peel Museum and Botanical Garden, now celebrating its 150th anniversary. In this episode, take a journey through the rich history of the Peel family home, its decline and remarkable restoration, and its role today as a vibrant cultural destination.Together, we'll uncover the stories behind this iconic estate, what it reveals about Bentonville in the late 1800s, and how its beautifully preserved grounds and gardens continue to inspire visitors and locals alike.What we discuss:

This summer, the New York Botanical Garden is inviting you to enjoy the flowers of Van Gogh. In the exhibition, "Van Gogh's Flowers," the Botanical Garden has brought Van Gogh's paintings to life with flower installations. Joanna Groarke, NYBG's vice president for exhibitions and programming, speaks more about the show, and previews the "Starry Night evenings" that feature live music and performance art. "Van Gogh's Flowers" opens to the public on May 24 and runs through October 26.

Camille and Rich take a field trip to one of the crown jewels of East Dallas, the Dallas Arboretum and Botanical Garden. Joining them is Sabina Carr, the Arboretum's new President and CEO, who stepped into the role just over a year ago and already has big plans in motion.Sabina shares her journey from SMU to leading botanical institutions across the country, including her historic leadership in San Antonio and Atlanta. Now back home in Dallas, she's focused on honoring the legacy of the Arboretum while shaping its future through community engagement, sustainability, and innovation.From seasonal festivals to future plans for education and access, this episode is full of growth... literally and figuratively. You'll never look at the Arboretum the same way again.Connect with us! Instagram - Facebook www.visiteastdallas.comPartner with us! connect@visiteastdallas.com

In this special re-release episode, we revisit a powerful conversation with Mike Wicks—Huntsville native, fourth-generation rocket scientist, and serial entrepreneur.Mike takes us through his journey from mechanical engineering at Auburn to co-oping with the Army, launching and selling multiple defense contracting firms, and building I³ into one of the nation's fastest-growing government contractors. He shares insight on leadership, company culture, and how forward-thinking strategy helped him scale businesses that continue to impact national security and innovation.We also dive into the mission behind I³ Cares, how employee ownership transformed company culture, and why the Wicks Family Foundation is focused on building long-term, systemic change in the Huntsville community—from youth sports and healthcare to STEM and the Botanical Garden.Whether you're an entrepreneur, engineer, or community builder, this episode is packed with lessons on vision, values, and the power of giving back.

In this episode, Kevin, Kelly, and Ryan sat down with Megan Bibelhauser of the Waterfront Botanical Garden and Russel Stevens of Twisted Nature Bonsai in Louisville, Kentucky. Among other things, in Part 1 we discussed how the Waterfront Botanical Garden was founded only 5 years ago and their major events. Then in Part 2, we focused on their new bonsai training program, bonsai collection, and Japanese garden that is under construction.The video version of Part 1 is ⁠⁠here.The video version of Part 2 is here.Show notes, relevant pictures, and links are here.See you in the next episode!Sponsor Info:This episode is sponsored by the Waterfront Botanical Gardens 3rd Annual Bonsai Weekend in Louisville, Kentucky. Details at BonsaiWeekend.com. Come visit Kentucky's newest botanic garden and see what's growing with the Greater Louisville Bonsai Society. The show will feature guest judge Owen Reich, bonsai workshops, demonstrations, cultural activities, food and drink, koi fish on display from the Louisville Koi Society, and an expanded selection of vendors for all your bonsai needs. I'll be there too, and I hope to see you there May 30th-June 1st. Tickets are on sale now at BonsaiWeekend.com.Guest Info:Megan Bibelhauser can be found at the Waterfront Botanical Gardens in Louisville, KY, USA.Russel Stevens can be found at Twisted Nature Bonsai and at the Greater Louisville Bonsai Society.Support the Pod:Anytime you listen, subscribe, rate us, or share us with friends you help keep us motivated to keep making episodes for you all! If you want to take it to the next level, you can also help keep the podcast going by donating to us through Spotify or by sponsoring an episode (contact us directly for that). All donations go back into the podcast such as for our web hosting, recording gear expenses, etc.Podcast Info:The Bonsai Time Podcast is hosted, edited, & produced by Kevin Faris, Ryan Huston, & Kelly Lui. We expect to post new interviews and reflections monthly! Find us on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, our website, and our email BonsaiTimePodcast@gmail.com.Submit questions or pictures for future Bonsai Brainstorm episodes to our email, social media DMs, or here.Music by MIDICANCER. Find more music by them on SoundCloud and BandCamp.Host info:Ryan is a former bonsai apprentice of Elandan Gardens and current operator of In Vivo Bonsai nursery and educational operation in Columbus, OH. Kevin is a bonsai student and local leader of many years now moving to Maryland. Kelly is a newer bonsai artist volunteering and studying especially in the Los Angeles area.More Bonsai Projects by Ryan:Read more about bonsai on his blog and learn more about his educational services here.Find Ryan's online-available bonsai products, seeds, tools, etc. here. Each seed kit sold comes with my full 10-year bonsai-from-seed guide.Find Ryan on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok as well if you need more bonsai in your feed.Also, check out some of my video editing work for the Puget Sound Bonsai Association and Columbus Bonsai Society's demonstration archives.

Aunties on Air Episode 25: Celebrating the Gifts of Mother Earth: Coastal Maine Botanical GardensThe Aunties welcome the love, values, and reciprocity to the studio today! We are forever grateful for all the gifts that Mother Earth provides. We welcome into the studio, Gretchen and Daniel, the leaders of the coastal Maine botanical gardens. These two leaders have been leading the way for many years. We work with them closely to celebrate the contributions of Wabanaki thought and learning. As we continue to grow in both inspiration and strategy, we welcome you to explore all the learnings that are present.Wabanaki Words Used:Apc-oc (again in the future, parting, good-bye, farewell) https://pmportal.org/dictionary/apc-oc Topics Discussed:  Gretchen Ostherr - https://www.dsgco.com/placed_leaders/gretchen-ostherr/ Daniel Ungier- Vice President of Guest Experience and EducationCoastal Maine Botanical Gardens - https://www.mainegardens.org/Martha Stewart Living Article with Daniel Ungier- https://www.marthastewart.com/things-never-do-at-botanical-garden-11720318Sheepscot River - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheepscot_RiverBoothbay, Maine - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boothbay,_MaineHorticulture - https://www.britannica.com/science/horticultureHorticulture, Education and Plant Science - https://www.mainegardens.org/plant-science-collections/The Doctrine of Discovery Historical Resources: https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/doctrine-discovery-1493https://upstanderproject.org/learn/guides-and-resources/first-light/doctrine-of-discoveryGuardians of the Seeds (Giant Trolls): https://www.mainegardens.org/events-exhibits/giant-trolls/Alfond Children's Garden - https://www.mainegardens.org/learn/family-activities/Butterfly House - https://www.mainegardens.org/gardens/gardens-key-features/#ButterflyHouseFirefly - https://umaine.edu/hudsonmuseum/firefly/Richard Silliboy - https://www.abbemuseum.org/attending-artists-profiles/richard-silliboyThree Sisters Garden - https://www.facebook.com/reel/1034076295236184Shopping with Coastal Maine Botanical Gardens - https://shop.mainegardens.org/?_gl=1*lyoecv*_gcl_au*MTIyOTExMDI1OC4xNzQxMjAzODg0Wabanaki Reach - https://www.wabanakireach.org/Darren Ranco - https://umaine.edu/anthropology/faculty-staff/dr-darren-j-ranco/Suzanne Greenlaw - https://schoodicinstitute.org/dr-suzanne-greenlaw-joins-schoodic-institute/Indigo Arts Alliance - https://indigoartsalliance.me/Daniel Minter and Marcia Minter - https://indigoartsalliance.me/about-previous/our-team/#iaa-boardRematriation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RematriationShane Perley-Dutcher and Anna Tsouhlarakis Artist Statements - https://www.mainegardens.org/events-exhibits/indigo-arts-alliance/the-land-fights-back/Emerald Ash Borer - https://www.invasivespeciescentre.ca/invasive-species/meet-the-species/invasive-insects/emerald-ash-borer/Arisa White - https://arisawhite.com/Vayo Meditation Garden - https://www.mainegardens.org/gardens/gardens-key-features/#VayoNorma Randi Marshall - https://www.normarandi.com/Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences - https://www.bigelow.org/Robinson's Wharf - https://www.robinsonswharf.com/Boothbay Region Land Trust - https://bbrlt.org/Oven's Mouth Preserve - https://bbrlt.org/preserves/ovens-mouth/Barrett's Park - https://www.boothbayregister.com/article/let-s-go-barrett-s-park/182362Ocean Point Preserve - https://bbrlt.org/preserves/ocean-point/The House of Logan - https://www.houseoflogan.com/Dawn Avery - https://www.dawnavery.com/Salt Bay Chamberfest - https://saltbaychamberfest.org/ Wabanaki Tribal Nations:Houlton Band of Maliseet Houlton Band of Maliseet Indians | Littleton, ME (maliseets.net)Mi'kmaq Mi'kmaq Nation | Presque Isle, ME (micmac-nsn.gov)Passamaquoddy Tribe Indian Township Passamaquoddy Tribe @ Indian Township | Peskotomuhkati MotahkomikukPassamaquoddy Tribe Sipayik Sipayik Tribal Government – Sipayik (wabanaki.com)Penobscot Nation Penobscot Nation | Departments & Info | Indian Island, Maine Special Thanks/Woliwon: Guests: Daniel Ungier, Gretchen OstherrProducer: Gavin AllenPodcast Team: Becky Soctomah Bailey, Macy Flanders

Visit Mobile Botanical Gardens online at:  https://mobilebotanicalgardens.org/

In this energetic recap, Lesley and Brad revisit Lesley's roundtable interview with the OPC teachers and reflect on the power of community, inclusive movement, and consistency. They explore how each teacher's unique journey contributes to the magic of OPC and share how the platform was designed to help every body feel seen and supported. Whether you're a teacher or a student, there's space for you here. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why OPC values community as much as consistency.How a curated class format supports movement without overwhelm.What it means to take messy action—and why it works.How diverse life experiences strengthen teaching and student connection.Why movement “snacks” can reframe how you approach exercises.Episode References/Links:Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukChat with Us - https://opc.me/chatSummer Tour - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comJoin OPC - https://onlinepilatesclasses.comMindi Westfall - https://instagram.com/bendymindipilatesRachel Piper - https://instagram.com/size_diverse_pilatesChristine Kam-Lynch - https://instagram.com/pilates.boundMegan Lauman - https://instagram.com/megans_pilatesYasmin Scholten - https://instagram.com/purapilates_yasmin If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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And I can tell you right now, even if you're not on the platform teaching it, when you're in the community, you're absolutely part of something. Lesley Logan 0:11  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the invigorating convo, the chaotic convo, the most amazing, we have the most guests ever, convo with the OPC teachers, minus Tami, but we'll have her on in a couple of weeks. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you are missing out on some giggles and some fun. And I'm just so glad that Brad, if you guys are watching this on YouTube, I apologize for all the moving, because I asked Brad with my eyes, if we were ready for this. Brad Crowell 1:21  You asked me with your eyes? Lesley Logan 1:22  Yes. And you did a you did an acknowledgement. Brad Crowell 1:25  I'm just making sure you're on the screen. Lesley Logan 1:27  Yeah. And if you are listening to this, just so you know, you will not get motion sickness like everyone else is right now. Okay, he's settled. We're settled. Brad Crowell 1:34  Sunglasses. Lesley Logan 1:37  Okay, now, now we're all just experiencing what ADD and ADHD looks like in the same room. This is a lot. This is confusing. I'm gone, now I've lost track. Okay, let's bring this bus back on the road. So you should listen to the OPC teachers, because they're so fun. We had five of us. Well, I guess me. Brad Crowell 1:56  You count, you're a teacher. Lesley Logan 1:58  I know. So we're. Brad Crowell 1:59  Six out of seven. Lesley Logan 1:59  Six out of seven. We were missing Tami. It's really hard to get all the time zones to work, guys, so I was pretty proud of us to get six, but we'll have Tami on because we actually have really fun thing coming up with her later this year. So, at any rate. Brad Crowell 2:08  Yasmin lives in Germany, you know. Lesley Logan 2:11  I know. And guess whose internet was the one that was fucked up? Ours. So anyways, not that Germany has bad internet, but I'm just saying, like out of all the time zones, I just was having some problems. They were talking without me. They planned a whole trip while I was just, bye, disappered. Brad Crowell 2:23  Yeah, I know you popped back on and they were like, yep, we're just making plans. We're gonna get together. Lesley Logan 2:27  Yeah, they're having an overnight, that's what the OPC teachers do. They love summer parties and anything that brings community together. So you'll just want to listen to that one, but first we'll recap it, and then you can go back and listen. So this is what happens when I take over. I actually know the day, but I'm going to do it anyways, because I know what I wrote. So today is May 1st 2025, and it's Couple Appreciation Day. Brad Crowell 2:47  That's fun. Lesley Logan 2:47  Couple Appreciation Day, just so you know, on May 1st there's 40 other holidays. I had a lot of things I could choose from, but Couple Appreciation Day.Brad Crowell 2:54  Lesley produced, partly produced this episode. Lesley Logan 2:56  I did, I did. It's going to be a mess. So Couple Appreciation Day is celebrated on May 1st whether you've just started dating or you've been married for many years, it's important to appreciate your partner now and then. Celebrating the milestones you've passed and looking to more happy years in the future helps keep the romance alive. Even the smallest of gestures can make an impact. Do the chore so your partner can relax or prepare a nice meal when they come home exhausted from work. Romance doesn't have to be elaborate over the top, unless, of course, that's what a couple is into. But also, today. Brad Crowell 3:25  Can just be a touch on the shoulder or a thank you. Lesley Logan 3:27  You know, do something you're not usually doing without being asked. That's probably the best thing. Brad Crowell 3:32  If you always get flowers. Change it up. Change it up. Lesley Logan 3:34  Yeah, get chocolates or get flowers and chocolates.Brad Crowell 3:37  Or don't give something, but do an act of service or something else. Lesley Logan 3:42  If there's something that your partner complains about doing, maybe try to do it for them. Or if they are tired of driving, maybe today you get them an Uber gift card and they get to have a chauffeur to work. Brad Crowell 3:54  Ooh, that's a fun idea. Lesley Logan 3:57  Also, one of the other holidays today in the Philippines, it's Labor Day. So to our team in the Philippines, we have a lot of people out there. Happy Labor Day to you, by the way, that means it's like May Day, which is a whole historical day that I know about, but surface level. So I'm not going to go into it, but it led to a National Phone-In-Sick Day to make sure that the world knows what happens without your labor. And since we are on the theme of little ways of protesting, if you are an employee somewhere and you have sick days and you haven't been using them, use one. Call in sick. Let people know what it's, let people know what happens if they don't have their team. But just remember, to our team, Happy Labor Day. Have the day off and we love you. So, okay, we are headed to the UK this fall. This is for Pilates teachers and really big in Pilates enthusiasts. We have two locations. We have six workshops. Two are business, Pilates business, and four are Pilates movement related. We've got two classes. The deal on this thing is insanity. If you were to buy each thing one at a time, it was, like, almost $2,000 and we're selling it for, like, I don't know, 550 pounds or something like that. So you'll want to go to opc.me/uk to sign up and snag your spot on the limited spots that we have. Brad Crowell 5:14  Our second person who registered is coming in from Europe, so. Lesley Logan 5:18  Yeah, you can come in from Europe. Brad Crowell 5:20  Yeah, we're going to be in Essex or Leeds, and there's plenty of hotels in the area. Lesley Logan 5:25  And Leeds, the ors. Brad Crowell 5:26  Sorry, yeah, for you, you could pick one of the two. We will be in both. I mean, hell, you want to come to both? Come to both.Lesley Logan 5:33  There's only one workshop that repeats itself, and it's one that you probably want to go to twice, to be completely honest. So it's really amazing. And then this particular Saturday is Pilates Day. It's International Pilates day, the first Saturday of May. And in honor of that, we'll be wrapping up our spring training event. So you, probably too late to join us, to be completely honest, but we'll be doing that. I'm really, really excited. Brad Crowell 5:54  Maybe not. Lesley Logan 5:55  I don't know. Brad Crowell 5:55  If you want to hop in right now. Lesley Logan 5:57  You can. You'll, you'll have a week of replays, still not from today, but I think to the 10th. So you have seven days. So yeah.Brad Crowell 6:03  If you're, if like, you're watching, if you listen to this the day it comes out and you want to figure out what we're talking about, chat to us. Go to opc.me/chat and we'll send you a link to the Spring Training event. There's a few more days. Lesley Logan 6:15  Yeah, it's really, it's been quite a fun week. I'm really thrilled with the whole thing. I mean, it's just really fun to do classes live and like, you get your Pilates habit and routine on, and then you can go back to doing it with Iike, on your own time.Brad Crowell 6:27  I mean, this is kind of a perfect episode to be talking about Spring Training because. Lesley Logan 6:31  It really is. Brad Crowell 6:32  It features all the teachers that you're that you listened to in the last episode.Lesley Logan 6:35  Yeah, if you fell in love with them. Yeah, so they're all part of it. It's really quite amazing. And what's really hilarious is Tami is actually in the house right now, so like when this episode goes out. So she wasn't on that episode, but she's currently in our house filming OPC workouts. At any rate, just the irony of all it. Then this summer, we're actually going on our Summer Tour. And it is cooking, we are getting really, really close to announce the cities and help you snide your tickets, you're going to want them, because West Coast is the location of this tour, which means smaller spaces. It just is, just how it works out. Brad Crowell 7:09  It's true. Lesley Logan 7:09  You know, it's just expensive to have bigger studios in some of these cities. So they'll be smaller spaces, which means you're gonna want to get your tickets. So, opc.me/events, means you're going to get the first updates on the tour and all that stuff. So you'll want to go to opc.me/events. Brad, why don't you chime in? Brad Crowell 7:25  Yeah, if you are taking clients for Pilates and you are trying to figure out how to get more clients, or just how to create stability in this tumultuous time, we're doing a webinar on that. It's called the Growth Accelerator Webinar, and it's free, and I want you to come join me. There's a Q&A option, and I'll be sharing three big secrets that we've learned from coaching 2500 plus businesses just like yours.Lesley Logan 7:51  It's really fun, you guys. It's really amazing. It's like, it's a way for you to understand what Agency is, but also what we believe in the Pilates industry, because there are other people out there, and it's important that you know what the values of the people who are coaching you are, because it needs to align with yours. And we firmly believe in your business working for you. You're not working for it. And so that means that the templates that we use are more formulas versus like and this is how every studio needs to look and this is exactly, this is exactly how your onboarding series goes, and this is how this goes. Brad Crowell 8:21  Yeah, here's the language that you use, no, all that does not work.Lesley Logan 8:23  No, that does not work because you all have different audiences that you want to be talking to, and you're also coming at it from either this is your full time gig, or you want it to be your full time gig, or you have kids and this is your part time gig. Like everyone comes from a different place, so it has to work for you, and that's what we pride ourselves on, is you can really mold what we coach you on to your business. Last up.Brad Crowell 8:42  Last, but not least, my absolute favorite thing in the world to do is to go to Cambodia, and we have a retreat coming up this October, go to crowsnestretreats.com. If you got all to listen to this podcast, you've heard us talk about it a million times. But isn't this the year for you? Isn't this the time? Lesley Logan 8:58  Oh, my goodness, I just wrote a whole email about why you should let us do this and I'm correct. Brad Crowell 9:02  But also like, don't you need a retreat right now? Right now. Do you need a retreat? I do. I'm ready. Lesley Logan 9:08  I actually was looking at our potential flight plans, and one of them would let us go to Vietnam, but it's kind of complicated. We're doing all these other things beforehand, so I want to go to Vietnam, and also kind of want to go to Colombia, which I know is on the other side of the world. So it's different, just different where my head is, but one of the flight plans will let us have a layover, though, to go to Botanical Gardens. Brad Crowell 9:25  Oh, in Korea? Lesley Logan 9:26  In Singapore. Brad Crowell 9:27  Oh, in Singapore. Lesley Logan 9:28  Yeah, we did the Botanical Gardens in Korea. Brad Crowell 9:29  We did do that, yeah.Lesley Logan 9:30  So, but I just pinged you and said hey, there's six hours in the daytime, and so that's an hour. And then we need about. Brad Crowell 9:37  I think we were looking at the Botanical Gardens when we were there last, right? Lesley Logan 9:39  Having dinner, yes, you pointed out, yes, it was closed because we got there close to the eighth. So I think we could do it in four hours. Brad Crowell 9:46  That'd be awesome. Lesley Logan 9:47  Yeah. So anyways, we might skip Vietnam and go there. But here's what I bragged about in my email, what you would get if you were already on our waitlist for this. But I actually wrote about, we're really fucking good at this retreat. We're so good at it. And I say this because a lot of people don't like to brag about things. A lot of people are like, oh, I'm a humble person, no, there are certain things that you do really, really well. Like our friend Vincent unapologetically goes, I make fucking great eggs. I make great eggs. I watched the master class on egg making, and I make great eggs. He's never made us eggs, but I'm just saying he brags about it, right? Like, I'm aware that he makes good eggs, and I've never even had them. What we do really well is create an amazing experience for you. You have nothing to do on this trip but get your plane ticket and let us know when you land, because we will pick you up from the airport. Well, not us, but our driver will pick you up from the airport, and it will bring you to our house. And we have a wonderful schedule that is not going to make you exhausted, but it's also going to make sure you see everything.Brad Crowell 10:38  It includes a lot of free time. You're going to have a chance to chill.Lesley Logan 10:40  Yes, but not so much free time you feel like you didn't do anything so you have to plan something. No, it is a wonderful, the cadence is amazing. I'm telling you, every single person tells us how great the schedule is because we do it well. So if you would like to literally retreat yourself, I promise you, when you are halfway across the world, it's very easy to go, you know what? I could put a pin all that chaos, because I'm over here looking at this beauty, and you can actually, just for the nervous system, it's so freaking good. I could go on forever, but go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot. Brad Crowell 11:10  Yeah, all right. Well, before we get into it, about the teachers, we had a question. Alison Pilates on YouTube asked, hey, I love the 60-minute full Reformer workout. We tried to find the links to the exercises so I could practice and get better at the pace. Where can I find them?Lesley Logan 11:26  Yeah, so you guys on YouTube, we have two full Joseph Pilates ordered workouts. We have the mat one, and we have the Reformer one, and they're both advanced. So I'm just gonna tell you right now, if it's the full order, it's super advanced, right? But at any rate, we have these on there, and it's kind of impossible to link to every single tutorial in the show notes of YouTube. I mean, I guess we can, but you can't click them, and there would be 79 exercises to click to. So actually, what you want to do is download the OPC app. It's free. You don't have to be an OPC member. Can download the app, and then you can go to the tutorials, and you can click on the Reformer, and they're all right there. They're all right there. And that way you can review the exercises you're not so familiar with, so you can learn them. And then when you take this workout again, you can be faster at it, or you can omit exercises not right for your body. That particular workout, I did all the super advanced back bends and headstands and all the things, and what I would just say is, even in my own workout, I don't do all of them. I pick two or three, but I did them all so that there is a place where this workout exists. I'm really excited that you guys are loving it, but, yeah, get the app. That's the best place. Brad Crowell 12:30  Yeah, the other thing you can do is, if you just want a list of links to the order, you can Google onlinepilatesclasses.com reformer order and a blog post will come up. We did make a post that has. Lesley Logan 12:43  That's linked. Brad Crowell 12:44  I don't know if it's exactly the same as the 60-minute YouTube video you were talking about, probably is, but. Lesley Logan 12:50  No, I can confirm. Brad Crowell 12:52  Lesley is confirming it's the same. So just Google onlinepilatesclasses.com reformer order, and you'll find the blog post that actually links directly to each one. Lesley Logan 13:02  So, thank you, Alison Pilates. I hope you enjoy that. And also, by the way, if you want to actually get better at the pace and the exercises, I highly recommend you actually just be I'm an OPC member, because at OPC, we don't do the super advanced exercises. We do more of the all level exercises, but you get to nerd out on a particular exercise and see how it works throughout the Reformer and on the mat, and we work at pace, and it's really fun. And then you can actually send me a video of you doing an exercise and I'll give you feedback on your form. There you go. Okay.Brad Crowell 13:32  Great job. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this amazing and super fun convo that Lesley had with all the OPC teachers, where actually, I got to know them better than I've ever known them. I didn't know any of these stories, so I'm really looking forward to chatting about it. Stick around. Brad Crowell 13:48  All right. Welcome back. So let's talk about Rachel Piper, Mindi Westfall, Christine Kam-Lynch, Megan Lauman and Yasmin Scholten. Only one missing was Tami-Adrian George, but we have a dedicated episode. Lesley Logan 14:01  Just for her. Brad Crowell 14:01  Just for her. Lesley Logan 14:02  She's got a lot we all talk about. Brad Crowell 14:04  She's got a lot going on. These five incredible women are part of the dedicated teachers at OPC. Each brings something unique to the mat, blending a deep love for learning with personal experiences that show how Pilates can transform your body and your life. Christine balances a full-time tech career while teaching Pilates. Mindi, known as “Bendy Mindi Pilates” on Instagram, continued Pilates after undergoing microdiscectomy, and now helps others find strength in their flexibility. Rachel a proud quote-unquote mat rat with a biotech background.Lesley Logan 14:39  I love that she's a mat rat with a biotech background. Brad Crowell 14:42  I've never even heard that term.Lesley Logan 14:43  I know, but I really think is there just a better animal? Brad Crowell 14:46  All right, well, so she has a biotech background. She still works in science and teams and all the things. She brings her love of themes and creative expression to every single class. Megan, a mother of four, based in Missouri, discover Pilates as a way to heal her body and now teaches from her home studio. And Yasmin, based in Germany, left corporate life to open a home studio in her small town where she grew up. Okay, I just want to put this out there right away, before everybody else asks, how do I become a teacher on onlinepilatesclasses.com? This is what, we get asked this all the time. Here's the truth of it. All five of these women who are on this interview were already OPC members. They were already participating. They were already changing their life with the consistency of their practice and using OPC to do it. And that's how we met them. Like I mean, there's other ways we actually met them, some of them outside of there, but that's how we got to know them. That's how it began to make sense. They were asking all these questions. They were participating, and it was a very organic opportunity, over the years to invite them to teach, because they actually care about the community. That's the thing that matters for us. Lesley Logan 15:52  Yeah, like you said, I've had, I still always have people who ask, and it's like, if you're not in the community participating, then it's really hard for us to get the community to want to take your class. And then the other thing I'll just say is, even if you're coming to join and be part of the community, we're not hiring all the time. So, yes, join because we want you to be a part of it, but join for you, not because of that goal. And then the other thing I want us to be like every single one of these girls has done eLevate, my mentorship program, so that we're all in the same page, so even though we're taking our own experiences and our own bodies and our own way of feeling the exercise in our body, but they all understand how Joseph Pilates created this stuff and gave it to Jay and his teachers taught me and all the stuff. So, are we looking for more teachers? Not this time, because we're really focused on the community and growing the community, but I would love to see you in the community, because I think why a lot of people want to be a teacher on the platform is because they want to be part of something. And I can tell you right now, even if you're not on the platform teaching it, when you're in the community, you're absolutely part of something. And that is something I'm so proud of, our members who share things. People know each other's name, even though they've never met. And people do connect in in-person events that we have, and then they hang out without us. There are eight women who take OPC classes at the same time on Wednesdays, at 8 a.m. and they're not teachers on this platform, but they are teachers. And so I just want to say OPC was never designed just for teachers, it'sdesigned for everybody, but I think that most people just want to, because they want to be part of something. You could be part of something without the commitment of figuring out your lighting and making sure your camera is straight. Brad Crowell 17:32  That is, that's the thing. Lesley Logan 17:33  And that your mic is actually working. Because sometimes you film an entire workout that is unusable. Brad Crowell 17:37  And I love, I think the thing I love the most about OPC is that once a month we do a live mat class, and after the mat class is over, everybody just hangs out and they just talk, and they get to update each other on different things about life, and it's been. Lesley Logan 17:55  We just celebrated, like a couple girls just finished their exams, so that was really fun. We know that from the hangout sessions, and then we know some of us picked up their kids from college and did spring break with them. Like it's kind of fun to know what everyone is doing. Brad Crowell 18:08  It's actually a community of people who care about each other. And we started doing it in COVID, and we just never stopped, because it's rad. Lesley Logan 18:17  Yeah. And also, to be honest, if I could record all of the OPC workouts I have to film with OPC members being there, I would do it. I would so do it. But the reality is, life happens, and we're like, oh, let's, we're moving this around. People will just be so confused. So, at any rate. But let's get into this episode. Brad Crowell 18:34  Yeah, absolutely. Lesley Logan 18:35  So, hold on. Brad Crowell 18:36  Take us away. Lesley Logan 18:37  All right. There's so many things to love, but Christine mentioned something that I really wanted to point out. She said there's something about being on the apparatus, apparatuses, the apparati, anyways, the apparatuses, the equipment that makes me feel connected inside. And I couldn't agree more, like I think it's just a fun way to get to know yourself. I think it's really difficult, because today there's this trend in the industry where everyone is over correcting all the time and cueing a lot, and so you don't always have time in your body, which is why I really appreciate how great our teachers are telling you how many reps, and giving you a rep to be by yourself, and giving you permission to change the exercise if you need to. And I think that allows you to have that connection. Brad Crowell 19:21  But what if you're doing it wrong? Lesley Logan 19:23  Oh my God, you're not gonna die. You're not gonna die. Most of the time, people doing it wrong are just doing choreography, and so they're like, this is too easy. I don't get it. That's most of it like, very rarely are people doing it so wrong they could hurt, no, no, obviously, if you're working with spring. Brad Crowell 19:38  Jay's quote here.Lesley Logan 19:40  Oh, Jay always says, "Ugly Pilates, get used to it. Dangerous Pilates, never." And so of course, we don't want you to do dangerous Pilates, but a lot of times people are doing exercises they're not ready for, that would be dangerous, so you got to be careful. But that's why I love our OPC teachers always reminding people to, that it's brave and courageous to do something else. Also, Christine mentioned that she loves taking from the other teachers, because she she actually gets different cues or different ideas or different connections from the different teachers. Because when I was picking teachers for the platform, I think it's so important, we one day, like, actually put our inseams on a list. Because we're like, well, maybe we should let all the members know what equipment we have, so that they can maybe set their equipment up, our equipment, or whatever. And then, well, should we let them know how tall we are, and then it's like, well, we're tall, but some of us have longer legs, so that we need a measure of everything. So anyways, Christine is one of our fun size teachers, and so it's really fun, because she can understand different things, even for her body, while working with the taller teachers. But I know that our members who are fun size love taking with Christine, because, like, oh, that's how Christine does it. Okay, great. So it's kind of fun. Mindi also said that she loves learning from the other teachers, but she said learning from the other teachers is one of the most important things I can do for myself and also for my own practice, because I learn something new every single time I take someone's class. And I think that that's what is so fun. Because a lot of people are like, oh, use the order. That's boring. No, it's not boring. Because if you're truly doing the workout and not wanting to be entertained, it doesn't even feel like it's something you've done before. It feels like you're having a new exploration. Because your body is different depending on what time of day you work out, depending on what you did the day before. Brad Crowell 21:17  Definitely, day to day it's different. Lesley Logan 21:18  Today, my mat class, I have my own mat workout today, slayed it. Slayed it. I was so strong. I felt so good. It's not how I always felt. So anyways, I just really appreciate that even our teachers. Brad Crowell 21:30  Hey, good job, babe. Lesley Logan 21:31  Thank you. On this Couple Appreciation.Brad Crowell 21:33  We're celebrating the national couple's day. Lesley Logan 21:35  Yes, I won't cook dinner, though, it's okay. I'll go get it. I mean, really, it would just be tater tots. I'm really good at those sweet potato ones, specifically, everyone. I really like that. With those two teachers, both mentioned how much they love learning from the other people, and I think that's what makes it so fun. Because even if you're not a teacher, just imagine how much you're going to learn. What did you love? Brad Crowell 21:57  Well, when Rachel was talking about consistency, okay, here's the thing about what Rachel was talking about that I connected to OPC, and it made me happy. When we were brainstorming OPC, we were trying to figure out, how do we compete with other platforms that have thousands and thousands of videos, and it made me think of Netflix, and it made me realize I never get to watch anything because I spent too much time trying to figure trying to figure out what to watch that by the time I'm ready to watch whatever I picked, I don't have any more time. So we said, well, how could we do that for OPC? We kept the class options small on purpose, and that really lends itself to consistency. Just being able to log in, click play and go. Another thing I thought was really interesting, and Mindi talked about this too, but Rachel only kind of realized that she's hypermobile recently, like in the last couple of years, and that, I think for me, it was blatantly obvious I've been able to bend my body like crazy. Lesley Logan 22:55  I think, but also because a lot of people think that hypermobility, you like, super hyperextend your joints and like, your elbows and your knees, but you can be hypermobile in some joints and not other joints, and it doesn't have to look extreme.Brad Crowell 23:11  Sure, you could just be hyperextending. That's still hypermobility, right, hyperextending. What's really great is that, when Rachel shared her story she was talking about everyone told her, by the time you're in your 40s, you're going to need your knees replaced, and because she was doing Pilates before going to see a doctor, now they said, hey, you've been protecting yourself by doing Pilates all these years, so you don't need a knee replacement. And that's insane. That's amazing. I love that. That's incredible. Lesley Logan 23:38  Did you know that the knee replacements are through the roof with how many people are needing today versus decades ago, and women will need them more than men. And it's actually not because of how we walk, because people in tribes don't need knee replacements. It's because we have a lack of strength balance between our hamstrings and our thighs, quads, outer hips, and so when you don't have that kind of a balance, your joints don't operate in the same way and you're demanding muscles to do support of things that need other help. And so that is why knees are not working the way. Brad Crowell 24:12  Interesting. Lesley Logan 24:12  Yeah, it's a whole thing. Do your hamstring curls on your Reformer, everyone, or if you don't have a Reformer, do your single leg kick with precision.Brad Crowell 24:20  What she said when Megan was sharing, it was really great to listen to her talk about her family, and I got really excited to hear her talk about her partner, and we know.Lesley Logan 24:30  That's because you love him. Brad Crowell 24:31  Well, his name's Adam, he's rad. But it was what I thought was so cool, was that the two are very intentional about tagging each other in tagging each other out. They've four kids, y'all. So you know, there's a lot going on all the time, yet in the chaos of just life, they still are intentional about setting aside time for themselves individually, which is when Megan gets to do her practice. And that's awesome. I think that's really great. One thing that I also really appreciated was she said she was really encouraged about how inclusive OPC is, and we're talking all forms of inclusivity here. The mix of teachers are working full time in another business, all the way to teaching Pilates full time, different sizes, shapes, bodies, color, different areas of the world, different backgrounds. Lesley Logan 25:22  And also, you know, here I am. I don't have children, so it's really easy for me to say. Brad Crowell 25:26  Right, moms know moms.Lesley Logan 25:27  You, it's really easy for me to say, be consistent. But I love that I was able to find people in our community who are also amazing teachers. Megan has four kids. Not just four kids, she's got two kids who are teenagers. And then two, well, I think a third is a teenager, one's about to be, with two special needs. Rachel talked about her son. And then Yasmin has kids. We have a few, and then Tami has a kid who, she got into college. So, like, they're all in different life paths, too. And so I really wanted. Brad Crowell 25:55  Dog moms on their runners. Lesley Logan 25:56  Yeah, single versus married. Like, I really wanted people who join OPC to see themselves in at least one teacher, if not a few teachers, like, oh, I have a full time job too. Christine and Rachel do. Not that the rest of us aren't full time guys, but, like a nine to five. There's a difference within a nine to five. Brad Crowell 26:13  They're also teaching in addition to their full time job. So, you know, so, so you're not alone. Just the diversity of all of that really does make it inclusive. There's an opportunity to see yourself in at least one of the teachers, and so we hope that you also are making that connection and enjoying that. And then when Yasmin was sharing her story, she actually talked about how damaged her body was after a career sitting at a desk, and it was causing a lot of pain for her, and she found Pilates as a, I guess, part, partly as rehab, but, but now today, that's like she's dedicated her entire life to it. She, you know, got certified, and then eventually quit her corporate job. And she said the thing that she loved the most about OPC was that it's a sense of not being alone in her home studio, which, you know, she's inherently alone, and once she can tap into OPC, she can participate in a community that's all over the world and is really supportive and encouraging. And, you know, I just love that. I think that's great. Lesley Logan 27:14  I love that she talked about construction sites. She was referring to, like, you know, we all have struggles in our bodies, and she called them construction sites. And I was like, you know, I just feel like when you learn English as a second language, there's just a better way of saying the things that you are working on it, you're putting something together, you're building something. Brad Crowell 27:30  Yeah, that was pretty cute, that was really cute.Lesley Logan 27:31  Yeah, I can't we're gonna see her in person in September.Brad Crowell 27:33  Oh, I'm very much looking forward to that. Oh, yeah, when we come to the UK. In fact, y'all, the person who is coming from the EU is Yasmin, the teacher. So come meet her. Come meet us. That'd be a lot of fun. Anyway, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some really juicy Be It Action Items that shared from this plethora of wisdom and knowledge that we have on these OPC teachers platform. So stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 27:58  Welcome back. Let's dig into this bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted Be It Action Items from your convo with all these lovely ladies. I'm gonna jump in first here. Christine mentioned that she treats movement like snacks. And I thought that was brilliant. I thought that was such a great visual, because if you're working and you're hungry, what do you do? You reach in the drawer and you grab a Slim Jim. Maybe not Slim Jim, but you know, you grab a jerky snack.Lesley Logan 28:26  I'd go for Chomps, but they're not sponsoring this, but it's about meat. Brad Crowell 28:28  Yeah or whatever, or you grab, hopefully it's not just pure sugar, but I love the idea of treating movement like a snack. What if you just got up and did a quick lap around the office? What if you?Lesley Logan 28:39  We did a movement snack yesterday. We were kind of like head funk, and we went outside and just walked around one block. And you know what, guys, it felt great. And then you do push ups while you're waiting for your coffee. Brad Crowell 28:50  Push ups with my coffee often, if I feel sluggish, if I feel that afternoon tiredness, I will just go do a handstand against the wall, and I'm not even trying to balance. The whole goal of it is to get blood flow back into my brain. Lesley Logan 29:04  If you're thinking about your heart, it's youth, fountain of youth. Brad Crowell 29:07  Yeah. So I love this idea of thinking of it like a snack. It actually makes it even easier to go do brilliant. So, love that. Great job. Mindi talked about taking messy action. That is something that we've been saying.Lesley Logan 29:19  Something that she didn't say on this podcast, but Mindi has the entire intro memorized of the Be It Pod. So, yeah.Brad Crowell 29:25  Yeah, Mindyi's amazing, but, but taking messy action, right? How often have we talked about that here? And I love that that's something that she lives by and she thinks about all the time, because it kind of takes away the fear of whatever the thing is. It's allowed to be messy. It doesn't have to be perfect. We're not doing brain surgery here. So it doesn't have, necessarily have to be perfect the first time, right? That's not that common. So it's okay to get your feet wet, get started and figure it out as you go for most things. And I love that when it comes to movement, when it comes to Pilates, we can apply that, obviously. So, love that. Great job, Mindi. What's your biggest takeaway?Lesley Logan 30:05  Okay, we had a few. So, Rachel said don't show up for anyone else, but you. And I do love that. And I will say, if you have a hard time being selfish, then think about the problem you are going to be for the people you love, because you won't be able to go up the stairs. And then if that makes you do it, then that's great, because I really do agree with that. And I also think some people have a really hard time showing up for themselves, but I agree we all have to get to that place. You have to love yourself enough to show up for you. Megan said find a way. Find a way to prioritize self-care, movement, even just a, find a way, there's always a way. So, I agree. And then Yasmin said the root of the goal is not to be perfect in this moment and just do your workout practicing with the teacher. And I like that. So it's like, the only thing I have to work on today is being with the teacher, just moving with this class. What if you were not, like, I gotta get this teaser today, you know, so and then to find confidence in your body. And I think that's really, really sweet. And I think, you know, no one is Googling, like, how to have confidence in my body, but I do think a lot of people lack confidence in themselves. They come off very confident, and they come off very self-sufficient, and they come off as they're able to highly function and do all these amazing things, but they actually don't trust how they feel, and they don't have a mind body connection, and that's something we really want to achieve at OPC. And so here's the deal, Pilates Day is a Saturday. There's a reason why this episode is coming out this week. We wanted to celebrate this amazing holiday that's coming up that has given us an amazing career. And truly, we're doing it with the most amazing people doing this. But also we want you to do Pilates with us. A lot of you who listen and you go to an in-person studio, OPC can be the supplement. If you're only doing Reformer Pilates, you can do the mat work with us. Because if you actually want to see what, you're superly capable of. Superly capable of. Brad Crowell 31:45  I was wondering what word that was. Lesley Logan 31:47  I like it. Superly capable of. Brad Crowell 31:48  Superly capable of. Lesley Logan 31:49  It's like now there's a ring to it.Brad Crowell 31:50  Let's all be superbly capable of.Lesley Logan 31:53  Superbly capable of, you know, you need to get on the mat. It is hard, and if it's easy, you're not doing it right, which is why you have to join OPC so we can, actually, can submit a video of you doing an exercise, and I can tell you like, oh, actually, your feet go here, or this goes here. So, you guys, go to onlinepilatesclasses.com and join us. You can join us for 40 days for $40 and you get to take classes from these amazing people, and Tami, and you can be part of this amazing community. You heard him. Brad Crowell 32:20  And Lesley. Lesley Logan 32:21  And me, I'm teaching. I teach 40% of the classes. I'm like, every other week. You don't get away from me. Also, feel like I won't use it. I know me. No, we have accountability. We take classes away so you do show up for you. And you can help, you can find people in the community that will hold you accountable. You go, okay, I'm gonna do it on Tuesday who wants to do it with me? Brad Crowell 32:38  Look, I just want to say we are all doing Pilates, right? But at OPC, we actually have a process, okay, and that process includes our big three. We call them the three C's, consistency, community and connection, right? And we help you follow our process, which helps you maintain that consistency. Lesley Logan 32:59  Well, when we created this, and Brad's like I want to do this, I said, well, I love what people experience when they go take class together. I really love that there's that I've got to show up because the class is at x time and I'm going to see x people. Like, I love that, right? But if you miss that class, then you like, might go a week before you get to take class again. And I hate that. And so it's like, how can I have the accountability of an in-person class and the community of in-person, but the accessibility of a chaotic life. And so that is why every single Tuesday, a new class drops, an old class goes away, and you have access to that new class for two weeks. So there's always a couple to choose from. So if you're like, I didn't really understand that teacher, you don't have to worry about it. There's another teacher's classes up there. So it's really great. And you get to, when you say, I took class, I took Hippy Ki-Yay, people know what you're talking about, because they're all taking Hippy Ki-Yay, no one is like, oh my God, from five years ago. I just want to say this community.Brad Crowell 33:52  That's what makes this community really fun is because when people like, oh, I finally got the roll up when so and so is teaching. You know what they're talking about, because you're taking the same class as them and you're like, oh, yeah, that was the moment. So it really brings people together. And all that was by design, and we're really proud of that, because when people follow the process, they win. You win, and we want that for you. Lesley Logan 34:14  Just go to onlinepilatesclasses.com. Check it out. Sign up for the trial membership and get into the community. Send me a video.Brad Crowell 34:21  Join us for live class. Lesley Logan 34:22  You know, if you love this podcast, you're gonna love the community, I promise you that. And then the OPC app, which is for you, you can listen to this podcast, you can see tutorials, and you can communicate in the community. So Bayon is really excited for you to join us too, if you heard that from the way, way back of this house. And until next time loves, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 34:42  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 34:44  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 35:26  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 35:31  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 35:36  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 35:43  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 35:46  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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