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Say thanks and learn more about our podcast sponsor Omnisend. In this episode of the WP Minute+ Podcast, Matt is joined by James Kemp, Core Product Manager at WooCommerce and long-time WordPress entrepreneur, to take a behind-the-scenes look at the WooCommerce ecosystem. James shares his journey from building Magento integrations and utility plugins to founding IconicWP, which was later acquired by StellarWP. Now at WooCommerce, James is focused on improving core product experiences and making WooCommerce more accessible and performant for builders and merchants alike.The discussion covers topics including the challenges WooCommerce faces in onboarding users compared to platforms like Shopify, the importance of streamlining hosting and setup experiences, and how Automattic's evolving strategy aims to make .com the best possible showcase for WordPress and WooCommerce. James also gives insight into company culture post-acquisition, recent layoffs, and the evolving product roadmap that includes AI integration, performance improvements, and better tooling for developers.Key TakeawaysJames' Path to WooCommerce:James started in 2009 building Magento-WordPress integrations.Launched IconicWP to focus on utility-style WooCommerce plugins.Joined WooCommerce after StellarWP acquired Iconic.WooCommerce's Unique Challenges:Unlike Shopify, Woo requires merchants to handle hosting and technical setup upfront.The user journey is fragmented across plugins, hosts, and tools, making onboarding harder.WooCommerce is working to improve builder tools, site setup flows, and new user experiences.Culture & Strategy at WooCommerce:The Woo team is tightly knit and focused on merchant success, despite industry criticism.Layoffs and restructuring at Automattic have prompted a renewed focus on prioritization.James emphasizes open communication, collaboration, and product-led growth.AI and the Future of Development:AI is heavily encouraged at Woo and Automattic for experimentation and productivity.James uses AI daily for research, brainstorming, and development prototyping.A new AI initiative at Woo, led by James Page, explores ways to integrate smarter workflows.Looking Ahead for Agencies & Freelancers:Builder tools, performance, import/export features, and compatibility improvements are coming.WooCommerce remains highly flexible and ideal for custom and complex client solutions.The Playground and blueprint initiatives could transform how users experience WooCommerce.Important LinksThe WP Minute+ Podcast: thewpminute.com/subscribeVisit WooCommerce: woocommerce.comWooCommerce Developer Hub: developer.woocommerce.comConnect with James Kemp on Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/jamesckemp Support us for as little as $5 to join our members-only Slack group. ★ Support this podcast ★
James Kemp’s genuineness and depth in this LMSCast episode, which discusses what it truly takes to create and develop a product that serves millions of people, is what makes it so ideal and genuine. In this LMScast, James talks about how he went from working as a web designer at a small business to being […] The post How To Build Your Digital Business With WooCommerce Core Product Lead James Kemp appeared first on LMScast.
In today’s Woo ProductChat, co-hosts Katie Keith, founder and CEO at Barn2, and James Kemp, the core product manager at WooCommerce, sit down with Ben Ritner, the Senior Director of Product at StellarWP. They dive into the intricate balance between customizability and simplicity in WordPress products, particularly focusing on Ben’s work with the Cadence suite. […]
On the podcast today we have James Kemp, the Core Product Lead for WooCommerce at Automattic. James discusses his role in overseeing the Woo product, emphasising improvements and innovations in WooCommerce. He outlines the platform's significant market share, driving e-commerce strategies for various scales of businesses. The discussion also covers flexibility, backward compatibility challenges, new branding, and the competitive e-commerce landscape, exploring how WooCommerce compares to SaaS competitors. James expresses openness to community suggestions and highlights e-commerce trends like mobile technology, augmented solutions, and the evolving nature of online purchasing. If you are keen to understand the breadth of WooCommerce's impact on e-commerce, or are curious about the direction of online shopping, this episode is for you.
On the podcast today we have James Kemp, the Core Product Lead for WooCommerce at Automattic. James discusses his role in overseeing the Woo product, emphasising improvements and innovations in WooCommerce. He outlines the platform's significant market share, driving e-commerce strategies for various scales of businesses. The discussion also covers flexibility, backward compatibility challenges, new branding, and the competitive e-commerce landscape, exploring how WooCommerce compares to SaaS competitors. James expresses openness to community suggestions and highlights e-commerce trends like mobile technology, augmented solutions, and the evolving nature of online purchasing. If you are keen to understand the breadth of WooCommerce's impact on e-commerce, or are curious about the direction of online shopping, this episode is for you.
In this Inside Woo, James Kemp and Darren Ethier from WooCommerce highlight the importance of community engagement, evolving development practices, and the initiative "More in Core" to enhance core functionalities while balancing flexibility.
In this episode of The Pioneer Podcast, James Kemp takes us on a journey through the life of Jopie Fourie, sharing the extraordinary events that shaped his legacy and explaining why he is celebrated as a hero. Jopie Fourie was a veteran from the Second Anglo-Boer War and later served in the Union Defence Force, but in 1914 he rebelled against the Union of South Africa's government. He became disillusioned with the government's support for Britain in the war against Germany during World War II, aligning instead with Afrikaner nationalist sentiment. He was subjected to a military court-martial rather than a civil trial, which was conducted swiftly and under contentious circumstances. Many Afrikaners viewed the trial as unfair, as Fourie was denied the legal protections and due process typically afforded in a civil court. On 20 December 1914 Fourie was court-martialled and executed by firing squad in Pretoria. Many Afrikaners still honor Jopie Fourie for his bravery and the sacrifice that he made. If you would like to support this podcast, you can visit https://afrikaner.org/support/ to make a donation.
If I told you you could grow your business by placing more constraints around it you might think that didn't make sense... But in this episode with James Kemp we dive into the Solo Business Model he's created so that his business can design the life he wants and he's done that by placing more constraints on the business not less.. Check out this episode to see how he's done this. Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/LilcCzJF0uk GET IN TOUCH: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/christopherdufey YouTube: http://chrisdufey.com/youtube WHEN YOU'RE READY… HERE ARE THE 3 BEST WAY I CAN HELP YOU #1 - Get Free Access To “The Entrepreneurs Ultimate Reading List” These are the “must read” books for entrepreneurs to achieve success and fulfilment — Click Here https://www.chrisdufey.com/list #2 - Send me a DM on Instagram to say Hey or ask me a question. It's the easiest way for me to actually help you. — Click Here https://www.instagram.com/christopherdufey -Chris P.S. Like this show? Leave me a review (even one sentence helps!) If you leave your IG handle, I can thank you personally.
In this episode, James Kemp and I talk about what he's done to decrease client churn.. And how to actually deliver clients what they need rather than always trying to sell the shiny object.. So, check out this episode if you want to see how James has such a high retention rate with his clients. Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/mSAmj1qDPOA GET IN TOUCH: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/christopherdufey YouTube: http://chrisdufey.com/youtube WHEN YOU'RE READY… HERE ARE THE 3 BEST WAY I CAN HELP YOU #1 - Get Free Access To “The Entrepreneurs Ultimate Reading List” These are the “must read” books for entrepreneurs to achieve success and fulfilment — Click Here https://www.chrisdufey.com/list #2 - Send me a DM on Instagram to say Hey or ask me a question. It's the easiest way for me to actually help you. — Click Here https://www.instagram.com/christopherdufey -Chris P.S. Like this show? Leave me a review (even one sentence helps!) If you leave your IG handle, I can thank you personally.
Join Voics Incubator for as little as $250 per week: http://voics.co/incubatorBusiness owners love to complicate things.Leading to:Bloated team34 step Zapier flowsComplex sales processesRazor thin profit margins (if any)What if I told you there was a simpler way to make more profit and run a calmer business.No more 2AM ‘emergencies' from clients. Oh, and you don't need any employees to do it. Yes, James Kemp generates $250K/month with zero employees.He's not paid by:Hours chained to the deskHours billed to a clientAny done-for-youDelivery servicesSitting on ZoomInstead, he's paid for his wisdom and insights.This is our second podcast focused on the one-person business anyone can start. With a focus on the ins and outs of his $3M/year solo business. We put together a step-by-step process for you to get there, tune in now!Connect with James KempInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thejameskemp/My Socials:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/darrenlee.ksLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/darren-lee1(00:00) Preview and Intro(02:19) The Foundations of a $10k Strategy(05:04) The Power of Selective Partnerships(10:49) Constraints as Catalysts for Creativity(13:17) How to Buid a Sustainable Business Model(18:23) Understanding Power Laws in Business(23:10) Creating Content That Drives Results(28:08) Aligning Expectations with Results(33:21) Pricing Models(37:36) The Reality of High Performers(42:20) Finding Your Own Self-Care Strategy(49:24) Energy, Feelings, and the Power of Anger(52:40) Overcoming the Paralysis of Indecision(55:08) Defining and Optimizing Your Goals(59:22) Strategies for Scaling Without Burnout(01:03:54) Building a Business Beyond Yourself(01:15:55) Sovereignty: Building a World You Control(01:18:12) Navigating Complex Financial and Legal Systems(01:23:09) Relationship Dynamics(01:24:34) The Value of Effective Communication Support the show
Season one of Hellish may be over, but we are not quite done with you yet. Every day of December we will be bringing back former damned souls to add one more song to their Infernal Playlists: a Christmas song they cannot stand.In this episode, we welcome back acting coach and director JAMES KEMP, who originally joined us for episode five. Check that out here: https://shows.acast.com/hellish/episodes/james-kemp-acting-coach-directorCome back tomorrow for opening of the next door on the advent calendar of doom!If you don't want to wait, and would rather scoff all the hellish treats straight away, then Patreon subscribers have access to all the Xmas special RIGHT NOW, plus eight others that will not appear on the main feed. You'll also get longer, ad-free versions of all thirty episodes of season one, and our two pilot episodes. https://www.patreon.com/c/hellishpodHellish now has a bookshop - https://uk.bookshop.org/shop/hellish - where you can get books written by our guests, and a choice selection of Hell literature. Help us out by ordering from us! Find us on Spotify to hear the songs on the Christmas Infernal Playlist in full, as well as the Ultimate Infernal Playlist which combines the choices of every damned soul we've met so far. https://tinyurl.com/hellishpodYou can find us/beg for absolution on social media...Instagram: www.instagram.com/hellish_podThreads: https://www.threads.net/@hellish_podFacebook: www.facebook.com/hellishpodcastBlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/hellishpod.comTwitter: www.twitter.com/hellishpodTikTok: www.tiktok.com/hellishpod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
In this episode of Woo ProductChat, BobWP has a Q & A with James Kemp talking about WooCommerce. Community questions included plugin integration, product editor updates, roadmap transparency, and future plans for WooConf, emphasizing community feedback.
James Kemp from WooCommerce discusses ongoing improvements in order management with Beka Rice and Patrick Garman. They emphasize enhancing fulfillment processes, shipment tracking, and payment handling.
Evan and Bryan are joined by James Kemp who will entertain you with his many exploits as a Disney fan and castmember. He has a wealth of Disney knowledge and history. ------------------------------------------------------ If you want to join us and discuss your trip or any of the topics we chat about, provide a trip report or even just ask questions, please reach out to us on our Facebook page, Spoonie Nation, Instagram, iHeart or Twitter all episodes, show notes, and everything about our podcast here
Welcome to Hellish, where we ask our guests for the five tracks they will meet in Hell.Episode five is the turn of Acting Coach, Teacher, and Director JAMES KEMP. James has taught at least one actor you think is awesome, including Tom Hardy, Emilia Clarke, and former damned soul Stephen Wight. As a coach, his clients include Dune star Rebecca Ferguson and Scroobius Pip of Distraction Pieces fame. James also co-runs acting studio/production company Effort Productions. We talk what will happen if England win the World Cup, exactly what Movement Psychology is, Michael Fassbender's frown, and the worst job James has ever done.You can check out Effort Productions here. Head to patreon.com/hellishpod to access episodes early and ad free, where you will find out which artists our guests will meet in Hell. You'll also get our two pilot episodes, and a bunch of other stuff depending which tier you pick - including the chance to come and work for Hell's H.R. department!If you just want to be nice/bribe your way out of Hell then you can also tip us over at ko-fi.com/hellishpodYou can find us/beg for absolution on social media...Instagram: www.instagram.com/hellish_podFacebook: www.facebook.com/hellishpodcastBlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/hellishpod.comTwitter (neverly known as X): www.twitter.com/hellishpodTikTok (doubt we'll ever use this, but you never know): www.tiktok.com/hellishpod Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Hate the idea of building a big business because you don't want to manage a team? In this episode, James Kemp and I discuss the different ways to scale a lean and mean business that doesn't require a team to be able to make millions of dollars... Watch the full episode on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/5ZM4m5_upkc GET IN TOUCH: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrisdufey/ YouTube: http://chrisdufey.com/youtube WHENEVER YOU'RE READY… HERE ARE THE 3 BEST WAY I CAN HELP YOU #1 - Get Free Access To “The Entrepreneurs Ultimate Reading List” These are the “must read” books for entrepreneurs to achieve success and fulfilment — Click Here https://www.chrisdufey.com/list #2 - Send me a DM on Instagram to say Hey or ask me a question.It's the easiest way for me to actually help you. — Click Here https://www.instagram.com/chrisdufey/ #3 - Join my weekly VIP List (for FREE) Discover what I'm doing to build my businesses and actually enjoy life at the same time. — Click Here https://chrisdufey.com/vip - Chris P.S. Like this show?Leave me a review (even one sentence helps!) If you leave your IG handle I can thank you personally.
There are countless people who struggle to earn their first $1,000 online.Most agency owners plateau at $5K per month.And countless business owners are clueless when scaling beyond $10K per month.In this episode, we sit down with James Kemp, entrepreneur and seasoned business coach known for bolting on $1m+ revenue streams to coaching and consulting businesses. Together we break down the most common challenges entrepreneurs face while growing their business and how to solve for it.James goes deep into creating the perfect offer, market testing, leveraging technology, maintaining client relationships, effective sales processes and how to truly sustain a business in the long run. Got some clarity and solutions to the challenges you're facing as an entrepreneur?Hit like, drop a comment, and subscribe to ensure you don't miss out on more discussions with top-notch guests like James every week.Connect with James KempInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thejameskemp/My Socials:Instagram: Darrenlee.ksLinkedIn: Darren LeeTwitter: Darren_ks(00:00) Preview and Introduction(00:41) Commitment to Getting Results(02:20) How To Make the Perfect Offer(06:25) Service Delivery Models (Coaching, Consulting, Done-For-You)(11:27) Creating Additional Offers by Bundling/Unbundling(14:21) Origins of the "Chat Offer" Sales Process(19:43) Addressing Customer Objections to Sales Processes(23:46) Solving Problems Creates New Problems?(29:39) Distinction Between Scale and Growth(33:38) Recognizing Operational Limits in Services Businesses(37:48) Audience Size vs Audience Responsiveness(40:56) Not Offering Value is a Disservice(41:21) Giving Everything vs Holding Back in Content/Offers(47:39) Pain Tolerance and Prioritising Feelings as an Entrepreneur(49:53) Life Shocks That Cause Perspective Shifts(54:41) Valuing Optics vs Authenticity as an Entrepreneur(58:13) Mentors as Part of Growth(01:01:25) Increasing Revenue Without Increasing Costs(01:03:51) Testing Demand Before Committing Resources(01:07:23) Considerations for Low-Ticket Offers(01:09:32) Evaluating Revenue vs Customer Acquisition Goals(01:12:39) Exploring AI and Automation in Business (01:16:23) The Concept of Sovereignty in Business (01:20:14) Life Changes and Protecting What's Valuable Support the Show.
If you want the breakdown of how I hit $80-100k/m profit w/ 2 offers, 1 funnel, no sales calls and in 4 hours a day… Check it out here: https://youtu.be/l8A345R5q2o Connect With Me On Other Platforms: Instagram: https://instagram.com/danbolton_/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/danboltonnz/
In WooBits, Woo unveils new dev docs directory, James Kemp takes on as product lead and how do you spell ecommerce?
In WooBits, Woo unveils new dev docs directory, James Kemp takes on as product lead and how do you spell ecommerce?
Kommentators sê gereeld dat die ekonomie is by ʼn kruispad, al gaan dit oor beurtkrag of volgende jaar se algemene verkiesing. Dalk is dit hierdie keer meer soos ʼn T-aansluiting. Daar is nie pad waarop ons kan “muddle through” nie. Belangrike en moeilike keuses moet gemaak word. Maar voor ek verder daaroor praat gaan die Ekonomie Minuut gaan nou eers vakansie hou. Baie dankie vir almal wat so ver saam geluister het. ʼn Daaglikse uitsending gebeur nie altyd maklik nie en ek wil in besonder dankie sê vir Christine vir haar insette en geduld met die Minuut deur die hele jaar. Baie dankie ook aan die NWU Sakeskool vir hulle ondersteuning en die verskillende episode borge wat deur die jaar hulle ondersteuning gegee het. Die episode se notas gee ʼn meer volledige lys van erkenning vir almal wat die Minuut gebruik en ondersteun. Beste wense vir die nuwe jaar. Bedankings Dankie vir die finansiële ondersteuning van die NWU sakeskool. Dankie aan Johan van Zyl van Jake Media wat help om die podsending in die Sakeskool se netwerk te deel. Deur die loop van die jaar het die Buro vir Ekonomiese Ondersoek, Economic Research Southern Africa en Jenwil finansiële dienste weeklikse episodes ondersteun. Die Minuut word ook uitgesaai en ek is bly dit word so gebruik. Dankie aan Hannes Snyman by Radio Orania, Gerda le Roux van Landbou radio, en Nadine Watkins by Bizscoops. Vir ʼn tyd lank was die Minuut ook op Maroela Media te danke aan Monica Mynhardt. Dit lei ook tot ander onderhoude. Dankie aan Olebogeng Motse en Dane Beisheim by OFM, James Kemp by Pretoria FM, Corn Koteli by Jacaranda, al die studente journo's by Voice of Wits, en Suzanne Paxton by RSG. Daar was selfs ʼn paar eNuus TV verskynings. Dankie aan Daniella van Heerden en Melissa Tighy. Die Minuut was ook ʼn wipplank na ander gehore en dit is lekker om gereeld met hulle te gesels. Dankie aan Leonard Haasbroek en Hemari Bonthuis by die PPS Academy. En dan is ek dankbaar vir almal wat die Minuut like en share. Dit is ʼn familie-en-vriende poging, maar daar is ook getroue ondersteuners wat af en toe laat weet vanoggend se episode was ʼn goeie een. Dankie vir almal wat saamluister.
Have you ever wondered why some highly regarded individuals struggle to turn a profit? I invite you to join me in a candid conversation about the coaching and consulting industry. I've had the privilege of engaging in private conversations that shed light on a surprising truth. Today, my guest James Kemp and I are sharing those insights and experiences, pulling back the curtain on what we call the 'dirty secret' of the coaching and consulting world. But it's not all about revealing hidden challenges. We'll also explore the mindset shifts, growth strategies, and the importance of focusing on our zone of genius. James will share his own journey and the changes he made to transform his business into a thriving space where he can create, earn, and cherish moments with his loved ones. Let's dive deep into the world of coaching, consulting, and the pursuit of true success on today's episode Yup, it's not a myth. It's not a fairy tale. And its exactly what we dive into with my amazing guest James Kemp as we sit down together. Timestamps and highlights: 00:01:38 Shocking truth about low profits in coaching. 00:04:06 High margins allow for profitable scaling. 00:08:38 Lack of growth due to internal focus 00:10:39 Learn skills, hire, infrastructure, successful practitioners, helping others. 00:13:54 Find your unique talent and build infrastructure. 00:19:05 Relief from unnecessary tasks needed for growth. 00:23:01 Limiting consults, prioritizing family, and staying focused. 00:25:39 Opportunity cost affects everyone; set boundaries. 00:28:31 Thank you for listening and reviewing the show. 00:34:57 Creating for myself, benefiting others, captain of the ship, not a dancing bear, embracing fun and success. 00:39:06 Engaging multitasking job brings newfound satisfaction. 00:42:00 Effective value creates capital, revenue, etc., etc. Business impacts life, design feeds life. Conflicts arise, be honest with yourself. No judgment on money-focused individuals. 00:45:05 Reflect on past, seek perspective, pause. 00:48:36 Embracing abundance and freedom after tough times. 00:50:39 Grateful for amazing conversations. Looking forward. Watch the full episode on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/sjyTTwsO7TY GET IN TOUCH: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrisdufey/ YouTube: http://chrisdufey.com/youtube Email: https://www.chrisdufey.com/contact-me WHENER YOU'RE READY… HERE ARE THE 3 BEST WAY I CAN HELP YOU #1 - Get Free Access To “The Entrepreneurs Ultimate Reading List” These are the “must read” books for entrepreneurs to achieve success and fulfilment — Click Here https://www.chrisdufey.com/list #2 - Send me a DM on Instagram to say Hey or ask me a question.It's the easiest way for me to actually help you. — Click Here https://www.instagram.com/chrisdufey/ #3 - Join my weekly VIP List (for FREE)Discover what I'm doing to build my businesses and actually enjoy life at the same time. — Click Here https://chrisdufey.com/vip - Chris P.S. Like this show?Leave me a review (even one sentence helps!) If you leave your IG handle I can thank you personally.
Connect With Me On Other Platforms: Instagram: @danbolton_ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danboltonnz/ I had the chance to interview my good friend James Kemp who's made millions online in the coaching/creator space. In this podcast we talk about launching his first online biz, how to make millions from small audiences, and tapping into your unique superpowers to grow your business.
Our guest hosts James and Ross dive into what they are working on, the products they have built, and some other great dev insights.
In hierdie episode van Beleidsradar op Pretoria FM gesels Gerhard van Onselen met omroeper James Kemp oor 'n allegaartjie van beleidskwessies aan die einde van 2022.Daar word gekyk na die onlangse regeringsbesluit om die uitvoer van skroot vir ʼn tydperk van ses maande te verbied, asook na die nuwe Wetsontwerp op Openbare Verkryging. Kan hierdie wetsontwerp as een van die eerste spykers in die doodskis van die omstrede beleid van Swart Ekonomiese Bemagtiging (SEB) gesien word? Luister en deel gerus! English: In this episode of Beleidsradar on Pretoria FM, Gerhard van Onselen talks to announcer James Kemp about a mixed bag of policy issues towards the end of 2022. The government's recent decision to prohibit the export of scrap metal for a period of six months is looked into, as is the new Public Procurement Bill. Could this Bill be seen as one of the first nails in the coffin of the controversial Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) policy? Feel free to listen and share! Source: https://www.pretoriafm.co.za/category/webgrepe/sake20-20/ Bron: https://www.pretoriafm.co.za/category/webgrepe/sake20-20/
Gerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga, operasionele bestuurder en ontleder) gesels met James Kemp op die Beleidsradar-insetsel (Sakekern, Pretoria FM) oor die onlangse herrie oor invoerbelasting op gevriesde aartappelskyfies.Van Onselen bevraagteken die sukses van hierdie invoerbelastings om plaaslike bedrywe werklik te ondersteun.Uiteindelik kom die koste van sulke belastings grotendeels op verbruikers en selfs op sekere ondernemings te lande, met nadelige gevolge. In hierdie stadium, reken Van Onselen, kan verbruikers kwalik bekostig om méér vir kos te betaal.Sakeliga reken dat plaaslike bedrywe ten beste ondersteun kan word deur weg te doen met rampspoedige regulasies, rompslomp, beurtkrag, en skadelike inmenging in die ekonomie.[English] Taxes on imports of frozen potato chips harm consumersGerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga, operational manager and analyst) talks with James Kemp in the Beleidsradar insert (Sakekern, Pretoria FM) about the recent outcry about import duties on frozen potato chips.Van Onselen questions the success of such taxes on imports to really support local industries.The costs of such duties ultimately are borne mainly by consumers and even certain businesses, with harmful consequences. At this stage, according to Van Onselen, consumers can hardly afford paying even more for food.Sakeliga believes that local industries can best be supported by abolishing disastrous regulations, red tape, load shedding and harmful economic interference in the economy.
Piet le Roux (Sakeliga se uitvoerende hoof) gesels met James Kemp op die Beleidsradar (Vrydae-aande op Sakekern Pretoria FM) oor die onlangse herrie oor ‘n interne memorandum by Dis-Chem. Die memorandum plaas ‘n moratorium op die verdere aanstelling en bevordering van wit mense in Dis-Chem. Hierdie moratorium is uit verskeie oorde verwerp. Hoewel die memorandum teruggetrek is, is dit nog nie duidelik of Dis-Chem van die beleid self gaan afstand doen nie. Die gesprek beskou die penarie waarin Dis-Chem en soortgelyke maatskappye hulself nou bevind. Le Roux wys daarop dat Dis-Chem in ‘n moeilike, maar nie onmoontlike posisie is nie. Sakeliga is wel bekommerd dat groot maatskappye te maklik en te gelate instem om agente vir die staat se skadelike beleide gemaak te word. Sakeliga meen ondernemings moet nie net gelate aanvaar om agente van skadelike staatsbeleid gemaak te word. Ondernemings moet veral nie in hul eie planne in hul teikens hul eie straf oplê nie. In die komende tyd – met sulke beleide wat strenger toegepas sal word – meen Le Roux moet ondernemings saamstaan in georganiseerde groeperings om effektief teen sulke beleide terug te druk. [English][Beleidsradar on Pretoria FM] Dis-Chem's predicament – businesses are not agents of the state – Piet le RouxPiet le Roux (Sakeliga's CEO) talks to James Kemp on the Beleidsradar (Friday evenings in Sakekern Pretoria FM) about the recent uproar caused by an internal memorandum of Dis-Chem. The memorandum places a moratorium on any further appointments and promotions of white people at Dis-Chem. The moratorium has been denounced from various circles. While the memorandum has been withdrawn, it is not yet clear whether Dis-Chem is going to drop the policy itself. During the conversation, the predicament Dis-Chem and similar companies find themselves in will be discussed. Le Roux points out that Dis-Chem is in a difficult but not impossible situation. Sakeliga, however, is concerned that big companies too easily and too resignedly agree to be made agents for the harmful policies of the state. Sakeliga believes businesses should not simply agree to be made agents of harmful state policy. In particular, businesses should not impose their own punishment in their own plans and targets. With such policies that are going to be applied even stricter in times to come, Le Roux says businesses should stand together in organised groupings to push back effectively against such policies.
Tabak en e-sigarette is omstrede produkte. Die gesondheidsowerhede in Suid-Afrika beoog wetgewing om sulke produkte nog strenger te reguleer. Gerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga) gesels met James Kemp oor die besluite om sodanige produkte strenger te reguleer. Van Onselen sê dat sulke regulasies sal uitloop op verskeie ongewenste faktore soos ‘n hewige sentralisering van beheer oor mense se keuses en voorkeure, en skade tot die handels- en eiendomsregte van maatskappye. Hy meen sulke regulasies moet omsigtig benader word met oorweging van belangrike opwegings. Onlangs was daar ook die ervaring dat streng regulering en ʼn verbod op sulke produkte nie werklik slaag nie, dat sulke regulasies groot koste vir belastingbetalers inhou, en dat ander skadelike newe-effekte vanuit regulasies self kan voortspruit. Stricter regulation of tobacco and e-cigarettes – a broader perspective Tobacco and e-cigarettes are controversial products. The health authorities in South Africa are envisaging legislation for even stricter regulation of such products.Gerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga) talks to James Kemp about the decision to regulate such products more strictly. Van Onselen believes that such regulations will produce several concerning consequences such as evident centralisation of control over people's choices and preferences, and harm to property and commercial rights of companies. He says such further regulations should be approached carefully considering important trade-offs. Another consideration is the experience that strict regulation and prohibition of such products are often not successful, that regulation implies huge cost to taxpayers, and itself often leads to other harmful policy consequences.
[Scroll down for English]In hierdie episode van Beleidsradar (op Pretoria FM, Sakekern) gesels Gerhard van Onselen (Strateeg by Sakeliga) met omroeper James Kemp oor die Mededingingskommissie, monopolieë en ongelykheid. Dit volg op die standpunte van minister Ebrahim Patel in September 2022 oor monopolieë in Suid-Afrika. Die Mededingingskommissie beoog om al hoe meer ingrypend op tree, maar is hierdie optrede die manier om probleme soos armoede en ongesonde ongelykheid op te los? Van Onselen bespreek Sakeliga se benadering tot vrae oor monopolieë en ongelykheid. Sakeliga glo op die ou einde is sterk en florerende sakegemeenskappe die beste manier om armoede en soortgelyke probleme op te los. Can the Competition Commission solve poverty? In this episode of Beleidsradar (on Pretoria FM), Gerhard van Onselen (strategist at Sakeliga) talks to announcer James Kemp about the Competition Commission, monopolies and inequality. This follows the points of view expressed by Minister Ebrahim Patel in September 2022 regarding monopolies in South Africa. The Competition Commission intends acting ever more drastically, but is this the way to solve problems such as poverty and harmful inequality? Van Onselen discusses Sakeliga's approach to issues regarding monopolies and inequality. Ultimately, Sakeliga believes strong and thriving business communities are the best way to solve poverty and similar problems.
Tian Alberts (regs- en skakelbeampte by Sakeliga) gesels met James Kemp op die Beleidsradar-insetsel (Pretoria FM). Die gesprek bekyk die nuwe wetsontwerp op betreding (onwettige toegang tot persele) wat onlangs vir kommentaar gepubliseer is. Hierdie wetsontwerp was onlangs prominent in die nuus en die sosiale media. Alberts gee meer inligting oor die wetsontwerp en weerlê 'n aantal wanopvattings. Wat egter vir Sakeliga belangrik is, is dat eiendomsreg beskerm moet word. Die wetsontwerp behou die statutêre misdryf van betreding en toon in daardie opsig niks ongewoons nie. Elemente soos die rol van die SAPD soos bepaal in die wetsontwerp, word egter bevraagteken. Die publiek word aangeraai om die wetsontwerp te ondersoek en kommentaar daarop in te dien. ____________________________________New Trespassing Bill – the need for strong ownership rights is emphasised Tian Alberts (legal and liaison officer at Sakeliga) talks to James Kemp in the Beleidsradar insert (Pretoria FM). The insert takes a look at the new Unlawful Entry on Premises Bill that was recently published for comment. This Bill has been prominent in the news and on social media. Alberts gives more information on the Bill and refutes a number of misconceptions. What is important to Sakeliga, however, is that right of ownership must be protected. The Bill retains the statutory offence of trespassing and it contains nothing unusual this regard. However, elements such as the role of the SAPS as stipulated in the Bill are being questioned. The public are advised to study the Bill and submit their comments on it.
Gerhard van Onselen (strateeg by Sakeliga) gesels met James Kemp oor die huidige gebeure in Sri Lanka. Dit volg op 'n onlangse gesprek by KragDag 2022 deur Russell Lamberti (ekonoom en uitvoerende direkteur by Sakeliga) oor die redes vir Sri Lanka se agteruitgang en huidige ekonomiese krisis. Tot dusver het pryse in Sri Lanka die hoogte ingeskiet en verskeie produkte soos brandstof is gerantsoeneer. Armoede en lyding word algemeen gesien. Lamberti wys op verskeie redes vir Sri Lanka se krisis, wat insluit oormatige buitelandse skuld, interne onstabiliteit en grootskaalse regeringskorrupsie, 'n sentrale bank wat ruim geld druk, en verregaande regulasies wat in die nadraai van Covid-19-inperkings op die spits gedryf is. Hierdie faktore word dieper bespreek. Daar is belangrike lesse vir Suid-Afrika te leer uit Sri Lanka se geval. Lamberti meen dit is veral noodsaaklik om 'n staatsbestande burgerlike sektor te verseker om wal te gooi teen roekelose regeringsoptrede soos dié in Sri Lanka.______________________ Gerhard van Onselen (strategist at Sakeliga) talks to James Kemp about the current events in Sri Lanka. This follows a recent talk at KragDag 2022 by Russell Lamberti (economist and executive director at Sakeliga) on the reasons for the deterioration and current economic crisis in Sri Lanka. Prices in Sri Lanka have gone through the roof and several products, including fuel, have been rationed. Poverty and suffering are to be seen everywhere. Lamberti gave several reasons for the crisis in Sri Lanka, including excessive foreign debt, internal instability and large-scale government corruption, a central bank that prints lots of money, and outrageous regulations that were carried to an extreme following the Covid-19 restrictions. These factors are discussed in greater detail. There are important lessons for South Africa to learn from the Sri Lanka case. Lamberti was of the opinion in particular that it is essential to ensure a state-proof civil sector so as to curb reckless government actions such as those seen in Sri Lanka.
Piet le Roux (uitvoerende hoof, Sakeliga) gesels met omroeper James Kemp op die Beleidsradar op Pretoria FM oor Kragdag.Die Kragdag Ekspo vind jaarliks plaas en talle uitstallers kom byeen om onder die vaandel van selfstandigheid en staatsbestandheid. In 2022 was daar meer as 500 uitstallers. Sakeliga is die hoofborg van KragDag en Le Roux vertel meer oor hierdie ekspo en die waardes van staatsbestandheid wat dit nastreef.
In die hierdie episode van Beleidsradar gesels Gerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga) met James Kemp op die insetsel vir Beleidsradar (Pretoria FM) oor die moeilike vrae oor vermeende storting van produkte en invoerbelasting as remedie. Dit volg ná omstrede aansoeke vir invoerbelasting op voertuigbande wat van China af ingevoer word. Sulke belastings kan bande se pryse vir alle padverbruikers verhoog. Onlangs het die minister van handel, nywerheid en mededinging invoerbelastings op ingevoerde hoender opgeskort, juis omdat dit verbruikers onder kruk plaas. Dit dui op koste en opwegings in burokratiese besluite om invoere te belas.
Martin van Staden gesels met James Kemp van Pretoria FM op die Beleidsradar-insetsel oor die onlangse verwikkelinge ten opsigte van openbare deelname aan beleidskwessies. Van Staden verwys na uitlatings deur hooggeplaastes in die departement van gesondheid, waar onder meer na burgerlike instellings wat teen die onlangse tydelike Covid-19-reëls litigeer, as saboteurs en terroriste verwys is. Die skokkende optrede van die minister van polisie by 'n onlangse openbaredeelnameproses word ook genoem. Hierdie verwikkelinge wek ernstige kommer oor die manier waarop deelname basies as 'n aftikoefening hanteer word. Die publiek loop die gevaar om bloot as passiewe ontvangers van openbare beleid afgemaak te word. Van Staden benadruk die belangrikheid van openbare deelname as deel van Suid-Afrika se deelnemende demokrasie. Hy reken deelname behoort nou verder te gaan as blote voorleggings aan staatsdepartemente en die parlement.More than passive recipients of policy? We consider public participation in policy issues.Martin van Staden talks to James Kemp of Pretoria FM on the Beleidsradar inset on important recent developments regarding public participation in policy issues. Van Staden refers to statements made by high-ranking officials in the Department of Health in which, inter alia, civil institutions litigating against the recent temporary Covid-19 rules were referred to as saboteurs and terrorists. The shocking behaviour of the Minister of Police during a recent public participation process is also touched upon. These developments give rise to serious concern about the way participation is basically being treated as a tick-off exercise. The public is running the risk of being relegated to mere passive recipients of public policy. Van Staden emphasises the importance of public participation as part of South Africa's participatory democracy. He believes participation should now go beyond mere submissions to government departments and parliament.
In die volgende gesprek vir die Beleidsradar op Pretoria FM, aangebied deur James Kemp, gesels Gerhard van Onselen oor die reg en die moeiliker vrae oor die regmatigheid en billikheid van wette en regulasies self. Hierdie is natuurlik 'n lewendige debat wat sedert die dae van Augustinus en Thomas van Aquino woed. Die meeste van ons stem saam dat ons in een of ander mate gebind word deur 'n plig teenoor gesag, maar daar is ook perke aan wat die owerhede met wette mag doen. In die gesprek kyk ons na oorwegings oor die regmatigheid van wette en regulasies asook vrae wat gebruik kan word om oor die regmatigheid en billikheid van wette te besluit.________________In this episode of the Beleidsradar, hosted by James Kemp on Pretoria FM, Gerhard van Onselen discusses the law and considers the difficult questions relating to the justness and fairness of laws and regulations themselves.This lively debate has raged since the days of St Augustine and Thomas Aquinas. Most of us agree that we are bound to some degree by a duty towards authority, but there are also limits to what the authorities may do with laws.During the discussion, various components that might be factored into the determination of the justice of laws and regulations are considered.
In hierdie insetsel vir Beleidsradar, op Pretoria FM, gesels James Kemp met Gerhard van Onselen (Strateeg, Sakeliga) en Morné Malan (Kommunikasiehoof, Solidariteit) oor Eskom en die huidige elektrisiteitskrisis in Suid-Afrika. Daar word gekyk na die onlangse verslag van die Solidariteit Navorsingsinstituut (SNI) oor Eskom en wat die SNI meen nodig is om die krisis hok te slaan. Malan en Van Onselen kyk verder na die noodsaak van gunstiger kragbeleid asook van beter aansporings om doeltreffender kragvoorsiening in die hand te werk. Hoewel daar vordering is met die opheffing van sekere perke op opwekking (soos die 100 MW-perk op kleinskaalse opwekking), moet baie meer liberalisering in die plaaslike energiemark nog plaasvind. Daarby moet nuwe denke en lewensvatbare oplossings moontlik gemaak word. Die voorbeeld van Viëtnam gee 'n goeie idee van wat moontlik is onder 'n beter kragbeleid. Viëtnam kon soortgelyke probleme oplos deur private opwekking en sonkrag aan te moedig. Solidariteit doen 'n beroep op kleinskaalse kragopwekkers om in groot getalle aansoek te doen vir permitte om krag te lewer. Soos Solidariteit sal Sakeliga ook die raamwerk vir kragbeleid fyn dophou en druk uitoefen met die oog op 'n beter kragbeleid.[English] New Solidarity report with recommendations to resolve rolling blackouts In this contribution to Beleidsradar on Pretoria FM, James Kemp speaks to Gerhard van Onselen (Strategist, Sakeliga) and Morné Malan (Head of Communications, Solidarity) about Eskom and the current electricity crisis in South Africa. The team considers the recent report by the Solidarity Research Institute (SRI) on Eskom and what the SRI deems necessary to curb rolling blackouts. Malan and Van Onselen also consider the need for more business friendly energy policy as well as for better incentives to bring about a more efficient supply of electricity. While progress has been made by the lifting of certain restrictions on generation (such as the increase of the limit on small-scale generation to 100 MW), the local energy market still requires much greater liberalisation. Viable solutions require a novel approach. The SRI's case-study of Vietnam is a good example of what can be achieved under more favourable energy policy. Vietnam succeeded in solving problems similar to South Africa's by encouraging private generation and solar power. Solidarity is presently calling on small-scale power generators to apply en masse for permits to supply power. Like Solidarity, Sakeliga will carefully monitor the power policy framework and will exert pressure with a view to bringing about liberalised power policy.
Wanneer is dit reg dat landsburgers en instellings soos Sakeliga teen die staat litigeer? Piet le Roux (Sakeliga se uitvoerende hoof) bespreek hierdie kwessie op die Sakekern (Pretoria FM) se Beleidsradar-insetsel. Le Roux en James Kemp bekyk Sakeliga se benadering tot litigasie en noem voorbeelde waar Sakeliga die howe bygestaan het om goeie presedente in die reg te vestig. Le Roux verduidelik waarom dit nodig is in Suid-Afrika se konteks om die staat in die howe tot verantwoording te roep. Sakeliga was sover ‘n party in verskeie sake wat tot in die konstitusionele hof gevoer is. Sakeliga handhaaf ‘n uitstekende rekord van suksesvolle litigasie. Why litigation against the state is definitely necessary – Piet le Roux on the Policy Radar When is it justified for citizens and institutions such as Sakeliga to litigate against the state? Piet le Roux (Sakeliga CEO) considers this question on Sakekern (Pretoria FM) on the Beleidsradar insert. Le Roux and James Kemp take a look at Sakeliga's approach to litigation and consider examples where Sakeliga assisted the courts in establishing beneficial legal precedent. Le Roux explains why it is necessary in the South African context to hold the state accountable in the courts.To date, Sakeliga has been a party in several Constitutional Court cases and holds a solid record of successful litigation.
Gerhard van Onselen (Strateeg – Sakeliga) gesels met James Kemp op die Beleidsradar-insetsel (op Pretoria FM, Sakekern) oor die uitspraak deur die hoogste hof van appèl. Die hof het in die guns van groepe soos British American Tobacco (BATSA), die Suider-Afrika Agri Inisiatief (SAAI) en ander geraakte partye teen die minister van samewerkende regering bevestig dat die verbod op tabakverkope onwettig en ongrondwetlik was. Die verbod was ingestel tydens die Covid-19-ramptoestand. Die hof het dus die vorige uitspraak van die hooggeregshof bevestig. Wat uitstaan uit die saak is dat die howe (tot dusver) die minister se redes en wetenskaplike bewyse oorweeg het en onvoldoende bevind het en nie bloot na die regering se oordeel terug verwys het nie. Die appèlhof het verder op grond van ‘n kruisappèl deur BATSA en ander met ‘n bykomende kostebevel teen die minister bevind. Beleidsradar, eerste op Pretoria FM.
Gerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga strateeg) gesels met James Kemp op Pretoria FM se Sakekern Beleidsradar-insetsel oor die onlangse uitlatings deur die Gedragsowerheid vir die Finansiële Sektor (FSCA) wat dui op strenger vereistes vir rassetransformasie in die finansiële dienstesektor.Die gedragsowerheid het onlangs ‘n konsepstrategie vir swart ekonomiese bemagtiging voorgestel en verwag dat hierdie strategie later vanjaar ingestel sal word. Hierdie dokument en die dryf vir strenger BEE in die finansiële sektor word dieper bekyk. Stricter BEE in the financial services sector._____Stricter BEE planned for financial services sectorGerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga strategist) and James Kemp considers recent remarks by the Financial Sector Conduct Authority (FSCA) on Pretoria FM's Sakekern Policyradar insert. These remarks point to to stricter requirements for race-based transformation in the financial services sector. The conduct authority recently presented a draft strategy for black economic empowerment (BEE) and expects the strategy to be implemented later this year. The document and the drive for stricter BEE in the financial services is considered.
Gerhard van Onselen (strateeg, Sakeliga) gesels met James Kemp op die Sakekern, Pretoria FM oor 'n onlangse meningsartikel deur Russell Lamberti (uitvoerende direkteur by Sakeliga). Lamberti meen dat energie-onafhanklikheid nie verleen gaan word nie, teruggeneem moet word. Dit beteken dat Sakeliga 'n baie sterker postuur teenoor die mislukkende energieregulering sal inneem.
Gerhard van Onselen (Sakeliga Strateeg) gesels op Sakekern (Pretoria FM) se Beleidsradar-insetsel met James Kemp oor onlangse voorstelle dat handel in skrootmetaal verbied moet word. Daar word ondermeer gekyk na die ligitieme mark in skrootmetaal, die vraag oor die wanbestuur van openbare instellings en newe-effekte van 'n verbod.
Gerhard van Onselen (Strateeg, Sakeliga) gesels met James Kemp oor die wetsontwerp oor klimaatverandering. Die wetsontwerp is ‘n poging om ‘n komplekse probleem met belangrike opwegings met grootskaalse sentralisering te bestuur.Sakeliga is veral bekommerd oor die impak van ingrypings soos gedwonge koolstofbegrotings, perke en ander maatreëls wat koste op sake sal plaas. Dit sal moontlikhede vir markgedrewe groei en vooruitgang in Suid-Afrika belemmer.
News With the release of WordPress 6.0 RC1, it is time to explore the 97+ enhancements that have been made. Milana Cap over at make.wordpress.org has shared the field guide where developers can read about the high-level changes in WordPress 6.0. The field guide also covers changes in accessibility, blocks, UI, and more for the non-developers out there. Birgit Pauli-Haack has done a great review in the Gutenberg times newsletter of what is new in the latest Gutenberg Plugin 13.1. Go check out the updates along with how to switch your website to a FSE theme by Carolina Nymark. Carolina's long post covers the benefits and cautions about third-party plugins that may not yet be updated. Events David Bisset shared in a tweet that the 19th anniversary of #WordPress is coming on May 27th. Go to wp19.day to share a few words, a photo (direct or via Twitter w/ #wp19 #wp19day) or a video short via @ZipMessage on the website. It's a global event and you can already check out some of the submissions posted to the site. From Our Contributors and Producers If you are concerned that WordPress can still compete in the CMS market you may be interested to find out that searches for WordPress terms hit over 10 million per month for the first time. Alex Denning wrote a post about what might be going on over his website at Ellipsis. There has been the largest volume of search traffic for WordPress yet, with a growth of 25% in absolute volumes from Q3 to Q4. If search data indicates interest and growth then WordPress still has some validity in the CMS market space. It looks like LearnDash is creating a “circle-esque” solution by providing a modern community plugin with just the core essentials for WordPress LMS. Head over to wptribe.io to try this new plugin. Automattic acquired Clipisode in January 2022. Brian Alvey shut down the social video platform and is now the CTO of WordPress VIP. Sarah Gooding reported on WPTavern that James Kemp acquired ReplyBox. The system can be embedded on any website, including static HTML pages to add dynamic commenting. It integrates with WordPress through a connector plugin that is available on WordPress.org. It is great to know that this system will now be maintained and updated on a regular basis. Thanks to all of the members who shared these links today: Jeff ChandlerBirgit Pauli-Haack
James Kemp of The Griphouse speaks with MMA UKs Stoomboy about his upcoming MMA fight at Budo 48 against David Mkrtchyan. #mmauk #budo48 #mma
Gerhard van Onselen gesels met omroeper James Kemp op die gereelde Beleidsradar-insetsel (Pretoria FM) oor die redenasies wat gevoer word vir 'n uitbreiding van die Poskantoor se mandaat. Hierdie uitgebreide mandaat sal moontlik gemaak word deur die nuwe Suid-Afrikaanse Poskantoorwysigingswetsontwerp. Van Onselen lewer kommentaar en kritiek op die voorstel.
Gerhard van Onselen [Strateeg, Sakeliga] gesels met James Kemp op Sakekern. Die gesprek skop af met gedagtes oor beleidsontleding en gesels oor die benadering wat Sakeliga volg wanneer beleidvoostelle ontleed word. Dan word daar gesels oor die nadraai van die tabakverbod en sluikhandel in sigarette. In Suid-Afrika, meen Van Onselen, het die verbod sluikhandel bevorder. Daar word ook gekyk na die voorbeeld van die drankverbod van die 1920s in die VSA.Die newe-effekte en skade van 'n verbod word ook dieper bekyk. Die plaasklike ervaring en hierdie voorbeelde gee goeie redes om in die sukses van 'n verbod te twyfel.
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James Kemp of The Griphouse/IBJJ speaks with MMA UK's Stoomboy about his upcoming MMA fight at Evolution Of Combat 11 against Adam Thomson. #mmauk #eoc11
Matt Report - A WordPress podcast for digital business owners
“Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in” a famous line from Godfather Part III and a recurring theme I've noticed for those of who have used WordPress for a while. No matter how much we might moan about the shortcomings of WordPress, it's still pretty darn powerful. The core of WordPress is getting better, read: Gutenberg and Full Site Editing. Some sharp edges, yes, but software is software — it will iterate into something great. Maybe you left WordPress a few years ago because of Gutenberg, but I bet you second guessed yourself when that Netlify CMS lacked a user and permissions system, custom post types, and an easy way to install a contact form. Oh, and what about ecommerce? Yeah…well…what about it?! WooCommerce, still the sleeping giant, is about to get some lemon squeezed right in the eye. JR Farr returns to the Matt Report to talk about his latest product, Lemon Squeezy. A NOT Easy Digital Downloads alternative that's looking to take it's share of the e-commerce market. Learn more about the collective and the other products JR is a part of over at https://makelemonade.wtf/ Episode transcription [00:00:00] Matt: Welcome back to the Matt report podcast, special guest today, a man that I met God, I don't know if I had my notes in front of me. If I was a professional podcast or years ago at PressNomics spoiler alert, there was some stuff in the news about pages. And maybe we'll talk a little bit about that today, Jr. [00:00:17] Jr. Welcome to the program. [00:00:20] JR: I know, man. Thanks for having me again. When I [00:00:22] Matt: interviewed you last time, I think it was right on the heels of you selling your company and you're back building another company. You are the co-founder of a man. I was just trying to think of, of a great word. An Avengers team. [00:00:37] You certainly don't want to be like, I dunno, the guardians of the galaxy co-founder and CEO of make lemonade recently launched something called lemon squeezy that we'll talk about today. Yeah. How many, well, actually, let me, before we get in. Was it two years ago. I remember taking a phone call from you. [00:00:57] You were asking me about starting a podcast. You started a podcast. Oftentimes I would broadcast that podcast onto my big screen TV. And watch you drink old fashions talking about startups. What [00:01:10] JR: happened? Yeah, no, that's a good question. So, like, So me and you go way back, right? Especially in the WordPress space. [00:01:17] Mojo was, was a good ride. Built a marketplace up, went and did the executive life at endurance for a long time, and then wanting to go on my own again. And so I got way into SAS customer attention because of what we were doing at Bluehost and things like that. Anyway, I was trying to get into that space and trying to find lightening in a bottle like I did with WordPress so quickly. [00:01:40] Right. It's so fast. It's like, oh yeah, I can do this again. And starting a company again is hard. And so, we tried to get into that space and it just kind of fell flat. And so yeah, I did a podcast for it around it, and we broke down a lot of different SAS companies, onboarding, offboarding, things like that. [00:01:56] But yeah, it was a good, it was fun though. I felt like I learned a lot, especially. Podcasting and being able to articulate things with words right. A lot better. So yeah, it was a great, it was a great production. Yeah. Thanks man. It was actually believe it or not. It was in my basement. Oh, wow. There you go. [00:02:11] Yeah. Yeah. [00:02:12] Matt: Awesome. What's the. In that world, let's say the SAS world that you learned. I mean, you came from WordPress through WordPress, into endurance, arguably the largest corporation that touches, well, I don't know if it's the largest, but a large corporation that touches WordPress. Then you go in and try to do like, what many of us might listen to this week in startups, tech crunch. [00:02:34] And we're like, Hey SAS, world. What's the biggest, what's the biggest difference that you found from that world versus the WordPress world? [00:02:44] JR: I mean, obviously the community is way different, right? Cause because there's so many different sounds. So you got, you got enterprise, mid market, small market SMBs got bootstrap, versus most people in the WordPress space are bootstrap. [00:02:54] So that was like, everyone was on like some of a playing field back in the day. I would say the [00:03:00] end of where I come from, everything has been bootstrapped, so I, I don't get me wrong. I definitely had opportunities. I still do to, to, to go raise like most of us, I guess, but I just it's in my roots, right. To like, just build it and self-fund it and grow it. [00:03:14] And so I would say that's like a big thing, like when you're getting into that space, Man, you gotta, you going up some big boys that have a lot of funding, even if they are in the SMB or mid-market or enterprise, right? Like you kind of get there's just, the playing field is so much bigger, [00:03:28] Matt: so it might be, this might be a softball question. [00:03:31] I mean, I kinda know what it is cause I know that you're going to have a bias question, especially now that you've launched a lemon squeezy and a side note. It's not just an easy digital download rev. Okay. Yeah, we've got a lot more that we're going to cover about lemon squeezy in a moment, but I've been having a lot of folks on my podcast recently in the no-code space, I've been fascinated with the no code space, no comes low-code space. [00:03:53] For me it sort of like brings that same energy back when I first discovered not even WordPress, but Drupal when I could do things with Drupal as like a non-developer with CCK and views. And we're talking almost 20 years ago being like, wow, I can code this. Knowing this PHP thing. It's interesting that, Well, here's the question. [00:04:14] What if you were to start, and I know this is, this is the softball moment. If you were to start a little bit more of a technical company today, maybe not WordPress, would you start with a WordPress framework or would you combine a couple of no-code apps that you really love to do something else? [00:04:29] JR: Well, I think luckily for me, like the teams that I have along the rides with me, they're technical enough that I don't have to, but I definitely think I would. [00:04:39] I honestly would maybe pick something else. I built mojo on WordPress back then, and that was before WooCommerce and before, easy to download. So like it was all custom and just the limitations sometimes in, around the database and queries and stuff. It's, it's not built for that. So. Maybe it's a marketing site it's different, but when it comes to a full blown app, I just think there's way better options out [00:05:02] there. [00:05:03] Matt: Yeah. So there, there are. So it just seems like there's a no-code app coming online every single day to try to like compete against air table and Google sheets and collide in bubble. Right. And I'm looking at it. Like I was looking at Pais builders rising three years ago in the WordPress space. I'm just like, damn man, you all going to survive this? [00:05:21] Or there's this like, The, survival of the fittest and that's just the market plays out. Yup. Yup. How did you get, so the, the parent company make lemonade, how did you form this team? Because I've had four out of five of you on my podcast. [00:05:40] JR: So yeah, the founding team there, they're the co-founders, there's four of us and it was. [00:05:45] There was a, quite a bit of work. It was, it was probably at least a year and a half in the making of just chatting and what, what are you working on? What, what are you building and what do you want to do? And so real quick, just talking about, let me just name the, if people don't know who we are. [00:05:58] So make lemonade was the [00:06:00] idea of it is when we were all talking before we were kind of in the thick of 2020, where it was just. Shit, right. It was just a lot of sour lemons kind of getting thrown out everyone. Right. All of us were getting hit with this. And so that's kind of where it was born. It was like, well, let's take these lemons and let's make some lemonade, and so we kind of, like you said, formed this quartet or a vendor group, or we call it a collective, which is Orman Clark. Yeah. It was known for donkey was also the, kind of the guy that set the tone on theme forest years ago. And then Jason's jeweler theme garden, press 75. And Gilbert who was a nivo slider for the OGs and spin up WP delicious brains and myself. [00:06:42] So yeah, we kind of all came together and we kind of started to really get excited about this, make lemonade idea. Let's bring all of our brands together. Let's bring all of our things we have together, and let's really see if we can build a collective and launch some pretty kick ass products. And the first one is the biggest one that we're really, I guess, leaning most of our resources into is, is limits. [00:07:03] Matt: Talk to me about how you kept these conversations going. I think that's one of the most unique things about WordPress is you have communities, like, let's say post post status and stuff like that. But I think that it goes even beyond that, where you see folks at a word camp, you see what they're doing in our space and you just it's so easy to reach out. [00:07:21] Was it like that for you? Or are you guys all in like a mastermind and connected in some other way? Like who sparked the first conversation? [00:07:27] JR: It was actually so Jason and Orman and Chris Malter were actually having conversations as well. And then Chris Malter and Jason were actually building a product called rivet, which was a therefore, a outside of WordPress as well. [00:07:41] Kind of, it was, you could take your YouTube channel and build a site from it. I don't know if you guys ever saw that, but it's really cool. And I actually ping them and said, Hey guys, what are you doing with this? Like, can I help in any way? It looks like. Maybe I could help with the marketing side, stuff like that. [00:07:54] And so that kind of like kicked off a conversation and an Orman got back involved and then it was actually, the four of us were chatting and then eventually Gilbert kinda got brought up and that's kinda how we kicked things off. But yeah, like it's funny because it goes back to where, I mean, Jason and I, we met similar to you. [00:08:11] I mean, how me and you did, which was years ago at a conference. I think it was the first PressNomics, which was forever ago. And so, yeah, we've just, it's all about relationships, right. And I would say that I really pushed hard to get everybody, like, I think that's one of my strengths is like being a connector and like making, getting, allowing things to connect and, and kind of glued together. [00:08:34] And I would, I like to think that I really helped be influential in getting us all to finally do what we're going to do. Even bringing Gilbert over full-time he was at delicious brains building. They just launched spin up WP. So. We had to convince him to come over. And so that wasn't some easy task, right. [00:08:51] He was happy with where he was at and, but it's, it's, it's worked out and I think we've got a pretty solid team. We've actually brought in a [00:09:00] few more makers into the collective which I can briefly mention, which is Mike McAllister, James Kemp, Patrick Posner. And there's a few guys from the old Moto team that are actually helping with us too. [00:09:12] So got a nice little squad. That's working on stuff together. [00:09:18] Matt: Lemon squeezy. The, the H one is sell digital products. That easy-peasy way e-commerce space, digital download space, massive untapped, I think in the WordPress world. But before we talk about that, I want to talk about all of these products that are listed on the make lemonade.wtf. [00:09:37] That's the URL. If you're listening to this, make lemonade.wtf, it'll be in the show notes. I'm on I'm on the webpage right now, iconic app. I remember watching that launch and thinking that's pretty awesome. Positive notes, dunked, premium pixels, kick link, a whole bunch of stuff. And this new digital S download product. [00:09:56] How do you keep focus? Is that the magic of a collective, like everyone gets their own little, territory to cover, break that down for me. [00:10:04] JR: Yeah. So it ebbs and flows, right? So there's, I mean, to be fair, some of these products were existing. So dunked obviously was Orman's he brought that into the collective. [00:10:12] And so as we grow that, as a team that's, that kind of works its way into the collective iconic was new. But to be totally honest right [00:10:20] Matt: now, [00:10:23] JR: The focus thing has been brought up. It's it's, it's been a subjective. Like what do we do? Let's be realistic. We are bootstrapped. There's only so many of us are we being silly by pulling ourselves to sin across everything. [00:10:36] And so, we continue to maintain the products that we have launched. So dunked and iconic and things, but right now the focus is a hundred percent limits with you for the team [00:10:44] Matt: I interviewed. Well, before I get there, let me ask you this question on the collective. Is there a way, like when you look at that and somebody's like, Hey man, I would love to be part of this team is like the application process. [00:10:58] Is your resume, an existing product you've already built and you bring that to the collective to show it off. And how do I get my podcast in there? No, I'm just kidding. How do I like when you bring it there? Like, is that the process, is that how you look for a new member of the collective? [00:11:13] JR: So it's actually, I take a really good question. [00:11:15] I didn't even think about that before we came on, but that is a lot of it. I mean, we do have some. I've kind of put together how people come into the collective. There, there is a process to it. That's not the only way. So obviously if your skillset is what kind of we're looking for at the moment, we'll bring in there's different ways that we can kind of bring you in the collective where you can to participate in all the products with us, as well as if you have your own product, then that gets the power of the collective, right? [00:11:42] Like, I mean, look at premium pixel, for example, that's a really old brand. I mean, as you can, there's a sh there's tons of people on an email list, right. That just get featured into the rest of our products. But like iconic app was very similar. That's James McDonald. Who's you don't know him. He's an amazing icon [00:12:00] design. [00:12:01] And he wanted to do an icon set. And so the team kind of got together with him and he did all the icons and then we built everything else. And so, and it leverages lemon squeezy to sell it. So that was like a really, really cool way to bring someone in, to work on just an individual product with us. And then the other team members like Mike and James and Patrick, they're helping us limit squeezy, but they're also gonna get the benefit of the rest of the collective too. [00:12:24] So. It's it, it can go either way. It just really depends on the person. Yeah. [00:12:31] Matt: I interviewed Matt Mullenweg earlier this year. And I think that, well, maybe not, it might not be obvious to everyone and maybe some of you out there are thinking, well, we've already got woo commerce. We don't need anything else who could survive an e-commerce play in this space up against the giant that is Rue commerce and alternatives like Shopify. [00:12:54] I know that. And I am by no means trying to give you a veteran and proven CEO slash entrepreneur, any advice, but I know that it's either going to take a boatload of money to compete or just a bad-ass product that is just hitting it on all cylinders. I think this is, this is not really a good question. [00:13:13] This is me just like pontificating this on a soap box. Like I think this is gonna be a bad-ass product. I think this is going to be the home run side of it. S inside my gut says, you probably feel the same way, because if you just execute on an amazing product, you can compete and you can win. Look at all the foreign plugins we have. [00:13:33] Right, right, right. Look at all of the similar stuff we have that's out there. This is, just because the giants out there doesn't mean you shouldn't build it. Your thoughts. [00:13:43] JR: Yeah, no, I it's a really good, and obviously we've got to be realistic, right? Like we are going up against some 800 pound gorillas. [00:13:49] Which is fine. I've done it before. But I think where lemon squeezy was different, is it is, it is a SAS first. Right. So we, we kind of have this unique ability to package in a lot of features that as much as I love WordPress, like, you do have to put together like a decent amount of plugins sometimes for something to work that costs money, that constant that's maintenance, that's conflicts, that's, maybe opening yourself up to some security issues depending on what kind of plugins you're getting. [00:14:19] If it's not from a reliable source. So. I think that's a unique thing that we do have. And then I think the team that's building the lemon squeezy plugin, right. Even though it's V1 and it's not extremely powerful at the moment, but it gives you all the power lemon squeezy from day one, which I think is super cool. [00:14:37] It's a totally different way of thinking about building it. And we can just totally, supercharge your WordPress site with lemon squeezy. So I think we're coming at it from a different angle. Which is exciting for me and it doesn't kind of pin us into one thing. But you're right. I mean, we're going to have to just iterate fast and quickly on this thing. [00:14:57] So, when we first came out, it's interesting, now that we're getting in the [00:15:00] WordPress space, when we first came out, it was looked at us, it will be looked at like a, like a Gumroad alternative. Right. It was just, that was kind of the feature set, but we're releasing some pretty big things around our website. [00:15:11] And so that's kind of positioning us into a different market, the WordPress space. Now we're getting positioned in there against easel downloads. But I will say one last thing about digital products is all of us come from that space. And it's, it's complicated. Yes, there's WooCommerce, but it's primarily, it's meant for physical stuff. [00:15:27] It does do digital stuff, but there's a lot to think about, right? Like security and how those files are delivered and software verges. I mean, even just the, the auto updates and. You know how you deliver the license keys. Like there's a lot of stuff to think about. And then that ties way into support. How do you support the product? [00:15:47] And so I think we've got a good, like view, a very good focus view on like how to tackle. [00:15:53] Matt: How do you manage, who gets to say, who gets the say in which features to add into a product like this? Because the Gumroad alternative, they easy digital downloads, alternative, the lightweight version of WooCommerce. [00:16:08] Again, as somebody who hasn't had the same product successes, you, but have been in companies that have had products assess, I don't mind those comparisons because it's just easy for customers to understand, but then there's like that 20%. Month after month or a year, quarter after quarter, you're like, okay, but we still need to keep edging our way to a differentiator, a different value prop. [00:16:30] So who gets this, who gets to lead that with this product? [00:16:36] JR: Man? That's a good question. So right now I think we've done a decent job with the four of us of allowing us to. Really give our say, I think when it comes down to like, if, so, let's just talk about design first for a second. Like how it looks that's we all know that that's Orman Clark. [00:16:51] I mean, the guy. Seriously brilliant when it comes to sign. So we're only going to push it so far. And then I think it's pretty, like, it's just like unwritten code that like Orman's going to make that decision, but then I think when it comes to like marketing and positioning, I think a lot of people look at me for that, and just, how do we position this business and this product, or. [00:17:10] And so I think it's just, it really falls in more of a skillset, right. Gilbert's CTO when it comes to anything technical related in the product, Gilbert's probably going to have the final say in that. And so, yeah, so that's kinda how we've handled it so far. [00:17:23] Matt: Yeah. When I, when I did talk to Matt as part of what I was getting at before is I told him that I still think woo commerce is even though it is the giant, it's still a sleeping giant. [00:17:35] Like I don't feel, I don't feel like automatic has really started to tap the potential of, I agree how flexible WooCommerce is going to be. And I think that, you, you said before, this is a SAS first product. We're launching this. I, these are my words, not exactly yours, but we're launching SAS because we can just control it a whole heck of a lot easier than if it was just a pure plugin. [00:17:57] There's was a pure plugin. We get to do the security patches, [00:18:00] the updates, the UI updates, people start falling off. They haven't updated. It's a nightmare when you're trying to make a cohesive experience. And I think no code. Heck even Jetpack is and tools like yours. Aren't going to condition the users over time, where once we really wanted our plugin and own it and have it in our WordPress site to be like ass, screw it, just make it work. [00:18:27] Like it's all a plugin. And I just want access, just give it to me because I think we're all just fed up with it, to that up until this point. I don't know if that's good or bad for the longterm success of WordPress, because that's what us. But your [00:18:40] JR: thoughts? Well, this is so when I first sat down with the guys and we started talking about lemon squeezy, and this is what we always go back to. [00:18:46] This is like, if this is the punchline, so, and this is going to sound kind of silly, but this is how I literally described to the team. And this is what we, we say. Say, we say, whenever we start talking about the product, we're like space. Space mountain, which sounds weird. Right? So that ride in Disneyland. [00:19:03] So if you were to go to that ride to picture it in your head, you, you walk up, you see the entrance and everything, and you're walking through it. It's really a whole experience from the moment you see it and you walk through it, right? It's all dark. And then you go through the ride and it's pitch black and there's lights, and there's all kinds of things, but you can feel it as you're going through it. [00:19:18] Right. But you don't really know how this is all happening, but think about it for a second. If everybody flipped the light. That'd be rods and wires and it, probably bolts and dust and everything looking at right. And that's kind of the experience today still after all these years, right? It's like, get your hosting, get your domain name, get your plugins, get your you're like putting together all these things with the lights on. [00:19:41] And so in our mind is like easy peasy, lemon, squeezy. Let's just fast forward this thing a little bit and create a space, mountain experience where you just hop on the ride and you're just enjoying the experience. And you're just, you're just there to have fun and have a good time, or you're just there to make money or you're just there to sell this product or this widget or whatever it is you don't have to think. [00:20:00] And so that's kind of how. Are building the product. So I will say from a feature standpoint, we've got a long way to go, right? Like right now you can get on there, you can sell anything, subscriptions memberships. We're also the merchant of record. So you don't even have to worry about setting up payment processors or anything like that. [00:20:17] It's all taken care of. And so I think as we add more features like email marketing and the builder. Themes and stuff like that. I think people are going to really start to be like, oh, wow. Like this is just all here with a click of a button. So [00:20:31] Matt: you don't have to comment on my crazy conspiracy theory, but I'll ask it and we can cut this guy, a segment out of the show if you want. [00:20:41] I really think. Th this concept the space mountain rides, fantastic metaphor for all of this stuff is also how jet pack is attempting to win in the long run. And I'm of the mindset that I don't know, two years from now, you'll go [00:21:00] to wordpress.org and it'll say, download WordPress with Jeff. [00:21:05] Download free WordPress open source version of WordPress, whatever sounds uglier for you to say, I don't want that. I want this because this is the best way to experience WordPress's with Japan. And I think that that's the, the model that, that Jetpack will ultimately win with as much as we all are like, oh, not on our lawn, this thing here, but I think that that is how WordPress wins. [00:21:32] Are automatic wins in that space. Thoughts on, on that WordPress experience is jet pack in the front row seat for a wind like that. [00:21:42] JR: Oh man, I have so many thoughts. I mean, I'll say, I'll say a couple of things on it. It's really interesting to think about that from Matt's perspective because Matt always said he wants to get to 50% of the internet uses work. [00:21:58] But I don't know what he's thought of after that. I don't know what happens when he hits that goal. Right? Is he. Does does there's IPO's there's, then what happens like that? What starts to take shape for this business? And so I think me, and you've always seen it from afar, right? You, you look at the way, they kind of their copies changing on jet pack and the way they kind of position the way it should feel like the, like you said, it, like, this is the way you should experience WordPress. [00:22:24] I actually think they say it on the jetpacks website. So I think we've always thought that was going to happen. It's just when and if, and, and I don't know if. If it's going to be triggered more around what happens with Matt and automatic, right. With the IPO or when it hits the 50%, or is he waiting for something like that for, in order to have to do it at that time? [00:22:47] Yeah. [00:22:48] Matt: A friend of the show, I don't know if you know him, Jordan gall, he started cart hook, and now he's on onto another e-commerce product called rally.io, which is a. I hope I'm getting this right. It's either, either says it's a decoupled or headless e-commerce experience. Okay. He was building a product. [00:23:08] I think it started off as cart abandonment or cart recovery. Hence the cart hook name, built it in Shopify as playground and eventually. What I'll say is crushed by Shopify. He's not a happy camper. Really? Yeah. He's been a lot more vocal about it. There's a great business insider article, which I'll try to remember to link up to it here in the show notes. [00:23:30] And I'm going to have him on the show actually next week to kind of talk about a little bit of that stuff, your thoughts on playing in somebody else's playground. Is that something that ever comes up or you're like, do you look at this as it's? Okay. This is why we're building it as. We start with WordPress. [00:23:44] We build up there, we springboard to full on just come to our website signup. [00:23:50] JR: Exactly. And even right now, I mean, even before we came into WordPress, right. Lemon squeezy has been live. It's been launched. We have paying customers that are just coming to us from their own ways. [00:24:00] Right. Not WordPress. So we already have that going. [00:24:03] I look at WordPress is like our biggest integration, right. Or biggest extension. And it's been interesting because ever since we've launched the API, we have like, is it stamp, stamp MADEC is that the shoot? I think it's the CMS. There's other people. Are you building plugins around other platforms? So, obviously we've been talking about maybe an integration with or the Shopify has people have wanted to do Shopify plugins for lemon squeezy. [00:24:30] So I think we'll continue down this path. Just as a way for distribution, that's the way I'm looking at it. Not so much a risk to the platform. Cause right now we're like you said, it's SAS and we can kind of control our destiny, which is [00:24:42] Matt: nice. Just too. Recheck myself, dear listener, it's rally on.com, not rally.io, rally.io, creator coin economy. [00:24:50] A rally on.com is Jordan's next venture. You'll hear him probably coming up on the next episode. Cool. The, the, the future for a WordPress in full site editing. I mean, is this anything that. It comes up on your on your calls at all with the team. Like when you talk about the space mountain ride, like, is this, does this matter to you like full site editing, Gutenberg, Ella mentor, and like this massive whirlwind of stuff happening? [00:25:25] Does it matter to you or [00:25:26] JR: not? Not so much. Yes. Yes it does. I think that, cause I think the approach we want to take. And this is what I mentioned about the plugin, right? Lemon squeezies plugin today, you can connect your store and then you, you, you really experienced lemon squeezy over lemon squeezy, but then you use your WordPress website to kind of display it, right? [00:25:44] So it's not. We would like to maybe look at bringing some more stuff. So we're not having to force people to come over to us. Right. If they don't want to. And I think that's how we're thinking about it is how do we, do we look at some lemon squeezy powered themes? Probably not. There's an element or ad-ons we've discussed. [00:26:01] So yeah, we're absolutely thinking about how do we make it, but it's more in the sense of like that customer, right? Like, What are they experiencing and how do we make this nice for them? Right. Rather than forcing them to come to lemon squeezy, if they don't want to, that's really how we think about it. [00:26:15] But I think in terms of the plugin to start, I think we're gonna focus more on features that people really want to leverage, like restrict content has. The really exciting one is migration tools for the other popular providers. Those are the things that we're working on now. And then from there, we'll kind of see what the, what people want. [00:26:35] So [00:26:36] Matt: I don't have any segments on the show, but if I did have one, it might be like, read mean WP Tavern comments, like this read mean tweets like celebrities. Yeah. When this was announced and launched, which was what? Two days ago, right? The 10th. [00:26:50] JR: Yeah, the plugin. Yeah. [00:26:51] Matt: How was the reaction good or bad, otherwise, anything surprised you both positively negatively that you'd like to talk about that you saw from [00:27:00] Twitter comments or anything like that? [00:27:02] JR: So it's, it's, it's interesting, right? Because for the most part, I would say it's 99% excitement. Everyone's super excited. Mostly probably because the team, I think they see the team, they're like, oh wow. I had no idea that this is who's behind this. So that's been really cool. And, but there definitely is like coming back into the WordPress space after being here for so long. [00:27:23] And I did take a break for a while coming back into it. I did forget, like, there's definitely people that are. If they don't know us, so they don't know where we come from. Right. There's definitely been like. Well, what is this? And who are these guys and who did, how, how could they possibly think they could do this? [00:27:40] And so there's been a few of those and I just kind of laugh it off, but I think we'll eventually, hopefully win them over. But if not, there's always a Pepsi and a Coke and you know what I mean? And I don't mind being a Pepsi, like if, if there's already a Coke, I have no problem with that. [00:27:54] And so we're just giving people options. So [00:27:56] Matt: lemon, squeezy.com. I'm looking at the pricing starts at $9 a month. No free. [00:28:02] JR: Yeah. Yeah. And I can talk about that. Yeah. So we, so we did, we did have a free plan. We did the transaction model where you would pay high transaction fees on a free plan. And it, we had, oh man, like tens of thousands of people literally using the platform. [00:28:18] It was a lot. And so we just, and it's great, but like, you need a ton of volume for that model to really play itself out and time. And so being bootstrapped, it's like, let's just focus on building a product that people want to pay for. Let's make everything SAS. And there was, we had to kind of roll back and there was, there's been a lot of angry people about that. [00:28:39] And so we're trying to find the best pricing. And so this is what's working at the moment. I think, as we add new features, maybe maybe prices go up maybe, and there's a new plan that gets introduced. I don't know. But we're the right now, I think we've found a good price that, because what we did actually is we looked at. [00:28:55] We did look at, if I was going to do a digital download store or sell something digital using WooCommerce or easy digital downloads, we wanted to make lemon squeezy. So not for a race to the bottom, but just, we were trying to be realistic with the features that we do offer right at the moment. And so, so that's kind of where we're settling. [00:29:14] It seems to be working on, like I said, outside of WordPress, we've had plenty of sign-ups and so we're doing well, but I'm really excited to see this get into the WordPress ecosystem and just, just offer something fresh and new and that's that wasn't built, Forever ago. So yeah, [00:29:32] Matt: $9 a month is still pretty darn affordable. [00:29:35] It's only 90 bucks for the year, sands a transaction fee for selling, which you're going to get no matter where you go. Unless you only accepted check by mail, which you're still going to be paying a fee on that too. Did you find, and again, like with with the prefix, that $9 is still pretty, pretty affordable, did you find a better. [00:29:54] More qualified type of customer from moving away from free. It's always like the most demanding [00:30:00] customers want things for free. And then as soon as they start to pay them, they're a little bit better. [00:30:04] JR: Yeah. Like, yeah, exactly. And our support totally changed too. Like it was actually just, like a lot of bottom feeding, right. [00:30:11] Kind of things going on. And the support is actually way higher now, but it's really good. Like questions, like people are in a trial or they have questions about this or that, or we're getting way more feedback on the product and like, well, if you guys had this, I would sign up or, you know what I mean? [00:30:26] Like. Yeah, you're right. It's attracted the right people. And then we're, you know what I mean? Like we're, it's like the Henry Ford thing, right? It's like, if I listen to my customer, just build a faster horse, but now I feel like we're listening to the customers that are really willing to pay and they are paying, and it's cool to see. [00:30:42] Yeah, man. [00:30:42] Matt: I mean, you say that there's not a lot of features or, you feel like you might have not have as many features as the rest. It's. I mean, what you look like, you get a nice feature set here. [00:30:50] JR: Well, yeah, so I guess so let me actually rephrase that. That's a good. From a, from an e-commerce perspective, selling things. [00:30:57] We, I think we're, we're really good. We do a ton of stuff. And especially for someone that's just like, doesn't want to have to worry about anything with the merchant of record. I think it's like super slick to sign up for lemon squeezy and just, you can just start selling where we're really gonna double down on next. [00:31:14] The editing publishing and editing experience where you can actually have your own storefront and website with themes, Orman Clark and Jason and Mike, they're all going to have some pretty amazing themes that you can be able to use this lemon squeezy. And then Gilbert's been working on a full blown, like e-commerce email marketing e-commerce solution. [00:31:32] So think about filtering and segmentation around your user base. Right? Whether they're. Coming in our landing page subscribing to a newsletter, or if they've purchased a product or multiple products where you're going to be able to filter a segment, send emails, take actions, depending on who they are, what they are, what they bought, so that's the kind of stuff that I think we're moving into next, but you're right from a e-commerce perspective, I think that, you can do pretty much everything except for selling online course at the moment. [00:32:01] Yeah, that's the only real feature left, [00:32:03] Matt: Semi hot seat question. The usual suspects aside in the software licensing key plugin space software licensing. I don't really see that come up on other e-commerce platforms. So prominently is this the easiest way to kind of break into. What I'll say is the available customer base of WordPress. [00:32:27] JR: Oh, that's funny. [00:32:28] Matt: Really it could be that I don't, I don't, I'm not looking for software licensing on other platforms, but maybe other platforms are doing it and I just don't see it. I just see this as a very WordPress thing. Ah, you know what? I didn't [00:32:40] JR: even think about it that way. I think, you know why it's maybe so important to us? [00:32:43] Cause maybe where we come. Maybe, because we are so heavy from the WordPress space. It's like what we're used to, but I will say like people that sell, tailwind components and things like that, they want to, they want to have licensing stuff done. So it's, it's applicable other places, but it's funny you [00:33:00] say it that way, because I guess it could look like. [00:33:02] I think a lot of it was just influenced where we came from. Yeah. [00:33:05] Matt: So who man, a lemon squeezy.com. Check it out, starting at nine bucks a month. I mean, it looks pretty fantastic to me. Any, I mean, I was about to say any black Friday deals, but how cheaper, cheaper could you get for nine bucks? [00:33:17] JR: Yeah, I think we're going to avoid it. [00:33:19] Actually. I think we're going to try to, I don't know. Not do that. See how it goes. Cool, man. But [00:33:26] Matt: yeah. Jr. Far, anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with anywhere they should go to? Oh, [00:33:33] JR: man. Just, yeah, I really appreciate you bringing them mat. I try to listen to your show and everything that you do. [00:33:40] And I think you're, you're, you're definitely the best at this. So, it's exciting to to, to have to be back in the WordPress space and Be with our community again, and maybe went over a few new hearts that don't know us yet. So, but now thanks again, man. And Yeah, definitely follow along. [00:33:56] Matt: Absolutely everybody else. 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