Podcasts about legal toolkit

Jared may be too busy to write personalized Valentines for each member of the Legal Toolkit community, so, instead, he's gifting you with a special rebroadcast of an excellent episode from our friends over at Lawyerist. In this episode, Stephanie Everett sits down with Matthew Hunt on Lawyerist Podcast to break down the art of creating high-impact, snackable content for LinkedIn. Because let's face it—if you're not using LinkedIn to boost visibility, generate leads, and build real connections, you're leaving opportunities on the table. Matthew shares his best strategies for turning LinkedIn into a powerful tool for growing your law firm, attracting referrals, and making sure you stay top of mind in your network. Get ready to rethink how you use LinkedIn!

Jared may be too busy to write personalized Valentines for each member of the Legal Toolkit community, so, instead, he's gifting you with a special rebroadcast of an excellent episode from our friends over at Lawyerist. In this episode, Stephanie Everett sits down with Matthew Hunt on Lawyerist Podcast to break down the art of creating high-impact, snackable content for LinkedIn. Because let's face it—if you're not using LinkedIn to boost visibility, generate leads, and build real connections, you're leaving opportunities on the table. Matthew shares his best strategies for turning LinkedIn into a powerful tool for growing your law firm, attracting referrals, and making sure you stay top of mind in your network. Get ready to rethink how you use LinkedIn! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join Heather as she welcomes Cassandra Sohn to the podcast. Cassandra is the owner of Sohn MFR in Greater San Diego, California.  In this episode, Cassandra shares her inspiring journey of transitioning to a Myofascial Release (MFR) exclusive practice, overcoming personal and professional challenges, and finding success through the MFR Coach's program. With over 40 days in the program, Cassandra has experienced significant breakthroughs in her business, including a quieter mind, increased client bookings, and a clearer vision for her future. Listen in as Cassandra opens up about the struggles she faced when she lost all her clients after switching to MFR only, and how the coaching program helped her rebuild her practice with confidence.   GUEST INFO — Cassandra Sohn, Holistic Health Practitioner | Website    FEATURED ON THE SHOW —

As we close the chapter on 2024 and look forward to the new possibilities that 2025 holds, it's essential to reflect on the journey and the lessons learned along the way.  In this special episode, Heather is joined by co-coach Meg Gluckman to reflect on the triumphs and trials of 2024. Join in as they dive into a year in review exploring the highs, the lows, and everything in between. Heather and Meg discuss the significance of setting goals, redefining success, and staying connected with clients. They also share the importance of maintaining personal well-being as the ultimate asset in business. Heather's transparency about her business journey offers a rare glimpse into the challenges and triumphs of running a successful coaching business. From undergoing a significant rebrand to dealing with unexpected health issues, Heather shares how resilience and adaptability have been key to her continued success.  Looking ahead to 2025, Heather sets her sights on new creative ventures, including live events and expanding her coaching network, all while staying true to her mission of making MFR mainstream. Tune in now and set the stage for a successful year ahead!   GUEST INFO — Meg Gluckman, General Life, and Business Coach | Website | Facebook | Podcast | Instagram  | EP. 23 Learning the Model and Using it as a Swiss Army Knife in Your Life with Meg Gluckman  | EP. 39 Finding My Group Bestie with Meg Gluckman   MENTIONED — Kajabi | Delta Air Lines | Fiverr | Stripe FEATURED ON THE SHOW —

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jared Correia discuss:The evolving role of AI and technology in legal practicesCommon obstacles lawyers face with adopting and implementing tech solutionsStrategies for improving law firm efficiency and productivityTrends in business development and billing models Key Takeaways:Lawyers hesitate to adopt AI due to risk aversion and limited tech savviness, but starting with free tools like ChatGPT can ease the transition.Flat fee billing models align with AI efficiencies, as ethical guidelines discourage charging for time saved through automation.AI tools like Microsoft Copilot and Google Duet AI reduce time on repetitive tasks, allowing lawyers to focus on strategic work.Large firms often beta-test AI in specific practice groups, while smaller firms use off-the-shelf or custom solutions. "I have found that most attorneys...it's a talent acquisition problem these days, not a work acquisition problem. They need to find more lawyers to do the work—another way to look at it is, maybe we need more technology to do the work and deploy that." —  Jared Correia Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: The Rest Is History Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-rest-is-history/id1537788786 About Jared Correia: Jared D. Correia, Esq., a former practicing lawyer, has been a business management consultant for law firms since 2008, working with thousands of firms globally, from solo practices to Big Law. An internationally recognized legal technology expert, he is the founder and CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, serving lawyers directly and through bar associations. Correia has hosted The Legal Toolkit podcast since 2009 and The NonEventcast podcast for Above the Law. He also contributes to the NonEvent legal technology hub, presents for legal organizations, and writes for law firm business management publications. Connect with Jared Correia:  Website: https://www.redcavelegal.com/Email: jared@redcavelegal.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaredcorreia/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/red-cave-legal/Twitter: https://x.com/jaredcorreia & https://x.com/RedCaveLegal Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

This is the ninth episode of our special podcast series exploring the Sept/Oct themed issue of the American College of Sports Medicine's Health & Fitness Journal on professionalization and advocacy. In this episode, we'll discuss the  topic of risk management, with Dr. JoAnn Eickhoff-Shemek, the lead author for the article in the themed issue entitled "Essential Risk Management Competencies for Exercise Professionals." Discover how to elevate your career as an exercise professional by mastering critical risk management skills in our latest episode of the Wellness Paradox podcast. I'm thrilled to sit down with Dr. Eickhoff-Shemek, a veteran with five decades of experience, who shares invaluable insights from her co-authored article on the subject. We uncover the necessity of understanding federal and state laws, adhering to HIPAA standards, and recognizing the boundaries of your professional scope. As the fitness industry increasingly intersects with healthcare, these competencies are more important than ever for maintaining credibility and professionalism.This episode breaks down the often-unseen complexities, from HIPAA compliance to the Federal Trade Commission Act. We dive into the crucial aspects of confidentiality policies, data privacy, and the potential legal consequences of stepping outside your professional boundaries. JoAnn emphasizes the importance of a solid legal education for fitness managers and staff to mitigate liability risks and ensure the responsible handling of sensitive information.Show Notes Page: https://wellnessparadoxpod.com/episodeacsm9Our Guest: Dr. JoAnn Eickhoff-Shemek, Ph.D., FACSM, FAWHPJoAnn M. Eickhoff-Shemek, Professor Emeritus of Exercise Science at the University of South Florida and President of the Fitness Law Academy, is an internationally known author and speaker. For more than 35 years, her teaching and research have focused on fitness safety, legal liability, and risk management issues. Dr. Eickhoff-Shemek is the lead author of a ground-breaking textbook, Law for Fitness Managers and Exercise Professionals, and co-author of another textbook, Rule the Rules of Workplace Wellness Programs, published in 2020 and 2021, respectively. She was invited to be a contributing author for a resource widely used in Australia -- The Australian Fitness Industry Risk Management Manual published in 2014.Dr. Eickhoff-Shemek has authored several book chapters and authored or co-authored over 100 articles in refereed journals. She served as the Legal Columnist for ACSM's Health & Fitness Journal for 10 years (2001-2010) and currently serves as the Fitness Safety columnist for the same journal. Dr. Eickhoff-Shemek is the lead author of a new textbook –Legal Toolkit for Health & Wellness Coaching – to be published in late 2024.  Follow us on social at the links below: https://www.facebook.com/wellnessparadox https://www.instagram.com/wellnessparadox/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/wellness-paradox-podcast https://twitter.com/WellnessParadox

With election season upon us, managing free speech issues at farmers markets is top of mind. This week we're chatting with Wendy Chen, of the Center for Agricultural and Food Systems at Vermont Law School for a quick update on court decisions that might affect how you manage free speech at your market. And we're spotlighting an episode originally broadcast in 2021, with Lihlani Nelson, also of Vermont Law School, home of the Farmers market Legal Toolkit. Topics today include   • Limiting your farmers market's liability with clear guidelines • Whether speech outside the market can be regulated • How your governing structure might affect your decisions • How to access the Farmers Market Legal Toolkit resources

The legal industry is notoriously slow to adapt to new tech, but there are so many great things out there that will make your life easier! This week we have a wide-ranging conversation with Jared Correia of the Legal Toolkit podcast and Red Cave Legal. In short: Have more intellectual curiosity!Learn more about Jared's work at www.redcavelegal.com

The legal industry is notoriously slow to adapt to new tech, but there are so many great things out there that will make your life easier! This week we have a wide-ranging conversation with Jared Correia of the Legal Toolkit podcast and Red Cave Legal. In short: Have more intellectual curiosity!Learn more about Jared's work at www.redcavelegal.com

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 I don't spend a lot of time talking about technology on this podcast. But I use technology all the time to manage my business and to increase my marketing efficiency. In fact technology is a critical reason why I am able to operate as a solo and while I don't have to outsource much of my own marketing. While I haven't focused on technology on Counsel to Counsel, my interest in technology is actually high. And when the next shiny object comes into my consciousness, I'm often intrigued. In general, I'm not an early adopter. I'd rather let others do the beta testing.  But in the four months since we heard about ChatGPT, I've been meaning to give it a try.  And this month I finally did.  And what I discovered blew me away. So I figured this was a good time to invite back Jared Correia, a legal tech guru who gave me my start in podcasting 5 years ago.  Jared was last on Counsel to Counsel in 2020 when he spoke about podcasting as a marketing tool. You can hear him on Episode 34. Jared has also been kind enough to have me on both of his great podcasts, The Legal Toolkit which is sponsored by the Legal Talk Network, and the Non-eventcast Podcast hosted by Above the Law. Jared Correia is the founder & CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, which provides business management consulting to attorneys directly, and through partnerships with bar associations.  He is also the cofounder & COO of Gideon Software, a technology company that offers chat-based intake, qualification, scheduling and document assembly services to law firms. And he was a pioneer in legal podcasting. Jared is all about helping  law firms improve their operations and grow their businesses.  Part of that includes helping lawyers be more effective in leveraging technology.  He's been a huge help to me as well when I have technology questions. Today, Jared will give a quick overview of ChatGPT and how it can help you streamline your marketing.  And while I have him here, I'm going to pick Jared's brain about other marketing.  So today will be a high level overview of the tools that you should have to ensure marketing success.  You should listen to the Non-Eventcast if you want to get a lot more depth. Additional Episodes Episode 34-Podcasting as a Legal Marketing Tool -Jared Correia on Counsel to Counsel How Coaching Can Help Attorneys Increase Career Satisfaction-Stephen Seckler on the Legal Toolkit Referral Marketing and Marketing Technology-Stephen Seckler on the ATL's Non-Eventcast

This time on The Legal Toolkit, Jared forgoes his monologue to give more time to his conversation with Chris Stock. Tune in as this duo dig into criminal justice reform, ChatGPT's future in legal and the world at large, legal tech business outlooks, Chris's new venture as founder of a consulting firm, and more. Later, stick around for “Shit Australians Say” on the Rump Roast. You'll learn what “fair dinkum” means and can decide for yourself whether our usage in the title was correct or just silly. Cheers! Chris Stock is CEO and founder of CGS Advisory. ----- Since we talked with notable Australian, Chris Stock, let's count down Australia's Greatest Hits! ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. Our closing track is Scrappy by Famous Cats.

This time on The Legal Toolkit, Jared forgoes his monologue to give more time to his conversation with Chris Stock. Tune in as this duo dig into criminal justice reform, ChatGPT's future in legal and the world at large, legal tech business outlooks, Chris's new venture as founder of a consulting firm, and more. Later, stick around for “Shit Australians Say” on the Rump Roast. You'll learn what “fair dinkum” means and can decide for yourself whether our usage in the title was correct or just silly. Cheers! Chris Stock is CEO and founder of CGS Advisory. ----- Since we talked with notable Australian, Chris Stock, let's count down Australia's Greatest Hits! ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. Our closing track is Scrappy by Famous Cats.

Many business leaders are mis-educated about what diversity is, and, as such, lack the ability to support it in their organizations. Jared brings on diversity coach Dr. James Rodgers to learn about his research and training strategies for effectively managing diversity in business, with particular tips for lawyers and law firms. On an all-new Rump Roast, Jared introduces the Legal Toolkit Law Review Hour–full of a plethora of fascinating lawyer-related factoids and hosted by some guy called Randy Lemon. And, Jared catches us up on the state of things in legal tech and what solutions firms need for today's tech-forward legal practice. Dr. James O. Rodgers is president and principal consultant of The Diversity Coach. Learn more about Dr. Rodgers at jamesorodgers.com. ----- Since we're talking about diversity in the legal profession, here's a diverse list of musical suites for your sole enjoyment! ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. The music for this week's Rump Roast is El Girasol by Hola Hola Our closing track is Loose Tension by Reel Life.

Many business leaders are mis-educated about what diversity is, and, as such, lack the ability to support it in their organizations. Jared brings on diversity coach Dr. James Rodgers to learn about his research and training strategies for effectively managing diversity in business, with particular tips for lawyers and law firms. On an all-new Rump Roast, Jared introduces the Legal Toolkit Law Review Hour–full of a plethora of fascinating lawyer-related factoids and hosted by some guy called Randy Lemon. And, Jared catches us up on the state of things in legal tech and what solutions firms need for today's tech-forward legal practice. Dr. James O. Rodgers is president and principal consultant of The Diversity Coach. Learn more about Dr. Rodgers at jamesorodgers.com. ----- Since we're talking about diversity in the legal profession, here's a diverse list of musical suites for your sole enjoyment! ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. The music for this week's Rump Roast is El Girasol by Hola Hola Our closing track is Loose Tension by Reel Life.

You may think you have your contracts for clients and you think you have all your boxes ticked - but you are probably missing something very important. Do you have all the client contracts and other legal bits for your toolkit? You'll find out in this episode! It's always helpful to have Sharon Toerek on to talk about the changing landscape of legal, and especially today to discuss why you need more than a contract or your boxes have been ticked. This week, episode 134 of The Digital Agency Growth Podcast is about your business legal toolkit! Watch our new recorded video training: Relationship-Driven New Business At-ScaleIn this episode of The Digital Agency Growth Podcast, Dan Englander and Sharon Toerek share the importance of being legally prepared for potential clients asking for exclusivity and actionable steps you can take right now to protect your legal ideas and formulas while also providing more one to many opportunities for growth in your service options. Sharon Toerek is a marketing law and intellectual property lawyer dedicated to serving agencies. She's also the host of the Innovative Agency Podcast. Sharon is a former President of the American Ad Federation (AAF) Cleveland and serves on the American Association of Advertising Agencies (4A's) Legal Consultant panel. In the advertising and communications industry, Sharon writes and frequently lectures on the topics of intellectual property protection, marketing agency relationships, and the legal implications of social media.In this episode, Dan and Sharon discuss the following:What Sharon and her clients are really focusing on in terms of IP as things shift and change in the landscape of legal.When to know when it's time to legally protect an idea, project or product, and when you should expect it to pay off.How you can protect yourself legally and what you need to have in your business legal tool kit. How negotiating with brands and potential clients is changing to the clients asking for exclusivity, and how to navigate that to keep your niche and protect both you and your client's best interests.After this episode, you'll feel more prepared for both negotiations with future clients and your own agency's legal toolkit.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please take a moment to follow, rate and review the podcast and tell me your key takeaways!CONNECT WITH SHARON TOEREK:WebsiteLinkedInTwitterCONNECT WITH DAN ENGLANDER:LinkedInSales Schema

Yes, that Margaret Atwood—famous author of “The Handmaid's Tale” and tons more, is really here on The Legal Toolkit!  But first, Jared chats with Matthew Gibson about how innovations involving video, audio and LongPen robotic pens are giving e-signatures the ability to truly meet legal standards worldwide. Later, Jared gets to talk with Margaret Atwood, the inventor of the LongPen, about the development of this unique e-signature technology and stories from her illustrious career.  Matthew Gibson is president, CEO, and a co-founder of Syngrafii Inc. Margaret Atwood is a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, teacher, environmental activist, and inventor.  ----- In honor of our special guest and world-famous author, Margaret Atwood, here's a playlist of some songs related to books and writing! ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is All Over You by VAULTZ.  

Yes, that Margaret Atwood—famous author of “The Handmaid's Tale” and tons more, is really here on The Legal Toolkit!  But first, Jared chats with Matthew Gibson about how innovations involving video, audio and LongPen robotic pens are giving e-signatures the ability to truly meet legal standards worldwide. Later, Jared gets to talk with Margaret Atwood, the inventor of the LongPen, about the development of this unique e-signature technology and stories from her illustrious career.  Matthew Gibson is president, CEO, and a co-founder of Syngrafii Inc. Margaret Atwood is a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, teacher, environmental activist, and inventor.  ----- In honor of our special guest and world-famous author, Margaret Atwood, here's a playlist of some songs related to books and writing! ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is All Over You by VAULTZ.  

When you need a pet detective, you call Ace Ventura. When you need a veterinary lawyer, you call Doug Jack! Doug Jack is a partner in Canada's largest law firm, Borden Ladner Gervais – the only national law firm with a team of lawyers under Doug's leadership dedicated to the law as it relates to the practice of veterinary medicine. He is an Associate member of the Ontario Veterinary Medical Association and Veterinary Hospital Managers' Association and a charter and founding member of the American Veterinary Medical Law Association – the only Canadian to have served as its President. Doug is a sought-after speaker on veterinary legal matters at veterinary conferences worldwide as well as the author of two books and numerous articles on the legal aspects of veterinary practice management. He presents annual lectures on veterinary jurisprudence at Atlantic Veterinary College, Ontario Veterinary College, the Western College of Veterinary Medicine and the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine (University of Calgary). He and his wife, Debbie, live near Owen Sound, Ontario with their aging Havanese dog. In his “down time”, Doug enjoys hiking (having successfully reached the summit of Mount Kilimanjaro) and is an avid baseball fan (having completed a tour of every major league ball park). In this impactful conversation, topics covered include: What Doug's observing in veterinary medicine that he's never seen before (legally speaking) Shifting from the vet being in the center of the legal conversation to the consumer centric model The 2 things Vets need to do to protect themselves legally: risk management and medical records Material risk and probable risk The "Human-Animal Bond" and what that means for malpractice lawsuits Keeping proper medical records "If it ain't written down, it didn't happen!" Why we're seeing an increased amount of complaints towards veterinarians The overheated veterinary clinic marketplace and how deals with corporate groups are happening Teaching clinic owners what the sale process looks like (expectations, time, disclosure) What it means to "take a colleague to lunch" Doug's Impact Round! Big thanks to Doug Jack for joining us on the show! Connect with Doug by phone: 1-800-563-2595 Or via email: dcjack@blg.com We're online! Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info on the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project. If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please rate and follow the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing. Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group. Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!

As we all know, “Quantum Leap” was Jared's favorite TV show as a kid, but his current favorite is… “Bluey!” What's that, you ask? Tune in for Jared's take on why this Australian children's program should take priority on your watchlist. Next up, could learning about legal contracts actually be fun? Well, sure! Jared chats with Laura Frederick of How to Contract about her training program and top tips for legal pros looking to draft better contracts for their clients. This time on the Rump Roast, Jared welcomes Jane Kuhuk, a longtime fan of the show, to play “Legal Toolkit Trivia!” Also known as “Shameless Promotion of the Show Archives”— go have a listen!  Laura Frederick is the founder of How to Contract and managing attorney at Laura Frederick Law, PLLC. Jane Kuhuk is senior public relations manager at Esper Bionics and How To Contract. ------ Since we talked about the delightful Heeler family - the stars of 'Bluey', I have a playlist for you that's all about animals. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0jHwxwHcVwdA1ljCO2ATvB?si=8d8c5f6e1f324f23 ------ Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Sweet Coffee by Ian Kelosky   Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

As we all know, “Quantum Leap” was Jared's favorite TV show as a kid, but his current favorite is… “Bluey!” What's that, you ask? Tune in for Jared's take on why this Australian children's program should take priority on your watchlist. Next up, could learning about legal contracts actually be fun? Well, sure! Jared chats with Laura Frederick of How to Contract about her training program and top tips for legal pros looking to draft better contracts for their clients. This time on the Rump Roast, Jared welcomes Jane Kuhuk, a longtime fan of the show, to play “Legal Toolkit Trivia!” Also known as “Shameless Promotion of the Show Archives”— go have a listen!  Laura Frederick is the founder of How to Contract and managing attorney at Laura Frederick Law, PLLC. Jane Kuhuk is senior public relations manager at Esper Bionics and How To Contract. ------ Since we talked about the delightful Heeler family - the stars of 'Bluey', I have a playlist for you that's all about animals. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0jHwxwHcVwdA1ljCO2ATvB?si=8d8c5f6e1f324f23 ------ Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Sweet Coffee by Ian Kelosky   Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

Christmastime is here, and Jared has company! Producer Evan may or may not have been kidnapped, and Engineer Adam may or may not have been creeping outside Jared's house, but everybody's ready for some holiday cheer. Come sit by the crackling fire as Jared saves Christmas yet again.  ----- Since it's our Christmas special - and in honor of producer Evan's Scroogish nature - I've put together a list of just horribly depressing holiday music. Enjoy! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/25un4L0Z4NSGI8VNP5vfCD?si=79dcd116619d42ef ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our holiday themed music is O Christmas Tree by Ryan Saranich.   Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

Christmastime is here, and Jared has company! Producer Evan may or may not have been kidnapped, and Engineer Adam may or may not have been creeping outside Jared's house, but everybody's ready for some holiday cheer. Come sit by the crackling fire as Jared saves Christmas yet again.  ----- Since it's our Christmas special - and in honor of producer Evan's Scroogish nature - I've put together a list of just horribly depressing holiday music. Enjoy! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/25un4L0Z4NSGI8VNP5vfCD?si=79dcd116619d42ef ----- Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our holiday themed music is O Christmas Tree by Ryan Saranich.   Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

There are decades of entertainment based on the inevitable AI apocalypse, but…is it really all that inevitable? Maybe, just maybe, robots are only here to help you. Think WALL-E—not Ultron—and tune in for Jared's take on the importance of embracing AI in your legal practice. (1:50) Next up, lawyers need simple, collaborative tools to do their best work. Jared talks with Mat Rotenberg about his top tips for removing burdens that hinder productivity and using automation to cultivate a better workplace. (8:22) And, this time on the Rump Roast, Jared and Mat play “Balls Deep”. . . and we'll just let you find out what that's all about. (23:03) Mathew Rotenberg is the CEO and co-founder of Dashboard Legal. In honor of Ringo Starr's 81st birthday, here's a playlist featuring songs from lesser bandmates - and, they're still pretty damn good! Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Normal People by M O K. Check out his album Kids Table on Spotify. Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

There are decades of entertainment based on the inevitable AI apocalypse, but…is it really all that inevitable? Maybe, just maybe, robots are only here to help you. Think WALL-E—not Ultron—and tune in for Jared's take on the importance of embracing AI in your legal practice. (1:50) Next up, lawyers need simple, collaborative tools to do their best work. Jared talks with Mat Rotenberg about his top tips for removing burdens that hinder productivity and using automation to cultivate a better workplace. (8:22) And, this time on the Rump Roast, Jared and Mat play “Balls Deep”. . . and we'll just let you find out what that's all about. (23:03) Mathew Rotenberg is the CEO and co-founder of Dashboard Legal. In honor of Ringo Starr's 81st birthday, here's a playlist featuring songs from lesser bandmates - and, they're still pretty damn good! Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Normal People by M O K. Check out his album Kids Table on Spotify. Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

Jared's got a long list of how law firms' poorly manage documents, and, well, maybe you're no better. Tune in for his advice on how to manage your law firm files the right way. (1:44) Next, Kara Vaval seriously debunks the myth that lawyers have to choose career over family, sharing how her unique life experiences motivated her to overhaul her goals and create a flexible, lucrative legal career. (9:34) And, finally, lots of crazy shit happens in Florida, so Jared turned the “Florida Man” meme into a game! Find out whether Kara can tell which news stories actually feature a true “Florida Man.” (31:30) Kara Vaval is an author, keynote speaker, business development coach, and the President of Vaval Law, a personal injury law firm. Check out Jared's recent appearance on Kara's podcast here. Since we shouted out our peeps in Christmas, Florida, we figure maybe it's time for some Christmas in July. So here's our early Christmas list! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VOcsU4ONqqvLkB0fEET3N?si=ef02604faa0c456d Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Epic Week Abroad by Sam Barsh. Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

Jared's got a long list of how law firms' poorly manage documents, and, well, maybe you're no better. Tune in for his advice on how to manage your law firm files the right way. (1:44) Next, Kara Vaval seriously debunks the myth that lawyers have to choose career over family, sharing how her unique life experiences motivated her to overhaul her goals and create a flexible, lucrative legal career. (9:34) And, finally, lots of crazy shit happens in Florida, so Jared turned the “Florida Man” meme into a game! Find out whether Kara can tell which news stories actually feature a true “Florida Man.” (31:30) Kara Vaval is an author, keynote speaker, business development coach, and the President of Vaval Law, a personal injury law firm. Check out Jared's recent appearance on Kara's podcast here. Since we shouted out our peeps in Christmas, Florida, we figure maybe it's time for some Christmas in July. So here's our early Christmas list! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VOcsU4ONqqvLkB0fEET3N?si=ef02604faa0c456d Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Epic Week Abroad by Sam Barsh. Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

Can you recall the moment your childhood ended? Jared does. For him, it all dates back to a fateful day in 1986. (1:50) Next, Jess Birken of the Birken Law Office joins Jared to share the best tips for “spring cleaning” your law firm. Tune in to learn how to eliminate the waste holding you back. (9:16) And finally, we find out what makes Minnesota so unique. (Duck, Duck, Gray Duck? What is that mess about?). (25:27) Every good “spring clean” needs a good soundtrack, so check out these inspirational tunes and get motivated! Spotify playlist! Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is August by Dario Benedetti. Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

Can you recall the moment your childhood ended? Jared does. For him, it all dates back to a fateful day in 1986. (1:50) Next, Jess Birken of the Birken Law Office joins Jared to share the best tips for “spring cleaning” your law firm. Tune in to learn how to eliminate the waste holding you back. (9:16) And finally, we find out what makes Minnesota so unique. (Duck, Duck, Gray Duck? What is that mess about?). (25:27) Every good “spring clean” needs a good soundtrack, so check out these inspirational tunes and get motivated! Spotify playlist! Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is August by Dario Benedetti. Special thanks to our sponsors TimeSolv, Clio, Scorpion, and Alert Communications.

A whole lot of lawyers are trying to be something they're not, but Jared thinks you all really ought to cut the crap. The truth is, marketing yourself as some unapproachable superlawyer isn't going to get you nearly as far with clients as just being yourself. (1:56) Building on this theme, Jared welcomes Darian Kovacs to discuss ways to develop your online authenticity by telling your story, your way. They chat about compelling marketing tactics to employ on a number of platforms, including Google My Business, YouTube, blogs, newsletters, and more. (8:13) This time on the Rump Roast, the interview continues! Jared asks Darian about his unique experiences as a podcaster and what led to his Marketing Jam podcast getting picked up by Amazon Prime (27:20). Darian Kovacs is a founding partner of Jelly Digital Marketing and PR Agency. Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Take Me Home, by Adrian Walther Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

A whole lot of lawyers are trying to be something they're not, but Jared thinks you all really ought to cut the crap. The truth is, marketing yourself as some unapproachable superlawyer isn't going to get you nearly as far with clients as just being yourself. (1:56) Building on this theme, Jared welcomes Darian Kovacs to discuss ways to develop your online authenticity by telling your story, your way. They chat about compelling marketing tactics to employ on a number of platforms, including Google My Business, YouTube, blogs, newsletters, and more. (8:13) This time on the Rump Roast, the interview continues! Jared asks Darian about his unique experiences as a podcaster and what led to his Marketing Jam podcast getting picked up by Amazon Prime (27:20). Darian Kovacs is a founding partner of Jelly Digital Marketing and PR Agency. Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Take Me Home, by Adrian Walther Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

With an ever-expanding universe and a Goldilocks zone around each and every star, isn't it pretty impossible to assume we are alone in the cosmos? Perhaps since the mysterious Roswell incident of 1947, increased curiosity about aliens and space has given rise to a whole lot of great entertainment and conspiracy theories both interesting and absurd. The truth is out there, so join Jared as he examines our fascination with aliens and UFOs. (1:48) Next, Jared handily transitions to his interview with sales pro Erik Bermudez. Lawyers tend to hate the idea of sales, but Erik points out the need to drop the stigma and appreciate the fact that a sales-focused approach can actually impress clients and help your law firm grow. (8:56) Rump Roast time! Jared's new game, “Samesies”, surprises Erik with the unique opportunity to compare himself with other “Erik Bermudez”-es that Jared found on the internet! (26:12) Erik Bermudez is vice president of strategic partnerships at Filevine. Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Artratus by Isaac Joel. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

With an ever-expanding universe and a Goldilocks zone around each and every star, isn't it pretty impossible to assume we are alone in the cosmos? Perhaps since the mysterious Roswell incident of 1947, increased curiosity about aliens and space has given rise to a whole lot of great entertainment and conspiracy theories both interesting and absurd. The truth is out there, so join Jared as he examines our fascination with aliens and UFOs. (1:48) Next, Jared handily transitions to his interview with sales pro Erik Bermudez. Lawyers tend to hate the idea of sales, but Erik points out the need to drop the stigma and appreciate the fact that a sales-focused approach can actually impress clients and help your law firm grow. (8:56) Rump Roast time! Jared's new game, “Samesies”, surprises Erik with the unique opportunity to compare himself with other “Erik Bermudez”-es that Jared found on the internet! (26:12) Erik Bermudez is vice president of strategic partnerships at Filevine. Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is Artratus by Isaac Joel. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Historically, lawyers have been pretty dependent on in-person networking, but in the era of social distancing, taking a new tack has become a necessity. Jared offers tips for remote-based networking to help you market your firm and make new connections. (1:47) Next, Jared brings on Jaimie Field to dig into her knowledge of law firm rainmaking. Jamie shares her experience with generating income, encouraging a hybrid of virtual and, eventually, in-person tactics. (6:49) And, of course, we finish off with the Rump Roast! Jared tests Jaimie's knowledge of TV shows, McDonald's, and more in a new game called “Three Answers.” (25:00) Jaimie Field is president of Marketing Field, LLC and a rainmaking motivational coach and speaker. Find out more at the-rain-maker.com/ Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander Our closing track is The Perfect Getaway by Polyphonic Groove Orchestra Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Historically, lawyers have been pretty dependent on in-person networking, but in the era of social distancing, taking a new tack has become a necessity. Jared offers tips for remote-based networking to help you market your firm and make new connections. (1:47) Next, Jared brings on Jaimie Field to dig into her knowledge of law firm rainmaking. Jamie shares her experience with generating income, encouraging a hybrid of virtual and, eventually, in-person tactics. (6:49) And, of course, we finish off with the Rump Roast! Jared tests Jaimie's knowledge of TV shows, McDonald's, and more in a new game called “Three Answers.” (25:00) Jaimie Field is president of Marketing Field, LLC and a rainmaking motivational coach and speaker. Find out more at the-rain-maker.com/ Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest The music for the Legal Trends Report Minute is I See You by Sounds Like Sander Our closing track is The Perfect Getaway by Polyphonic Groove Orchestra Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

The big question is: if ‘Werewolves of London' had never been a hit, would anyone have ever heard of Warren Zevon? His mainstream popularity may have been limited, but with a cult following and a catalogue of humorously cutting songs, Jared thinks Zevon's career deserves some recognition. (1:42) Next, the past year's challenges have made many law firms take a hard look at their financials and realize… they've got a big ol' mess. Jared welcomes Brooke Lively to discuss moves smart law firms should make to have a future-ready, data-driven financial management plan. (9:10) And, finally—the Rump Roast! Jared and Brooke play “Number One Fan” to find out whether their personal preferences line up with favorites of the American masses. (28:25) Brooke Lively is the CEO and founder of Cathedral Capital, a team of CFOs and profitability strategists who help entrepreneurs turn their businesses into profitable companies. Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The Legal Trends Report Minute music is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is L'apparition by Bellodrone. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

The big question is: if ‘Werewolves of London' had never been a hit, would anyone have ever heard of Warren Zevon? His mainstream popularity may have been limited, but with a cult following and a catalogue of humorously cutting songs, Jared thinks Zevon's career deserves some recognition. (1:42) Next, the past year's challenges have made many law firms take a hard look at their financials and realize… they've got a big ol' mess. Jared welcomes Brooke Lively to discuss moves smart law firms should make to have a future-ready, data-driven financial management plan. (9:10) And, finally—the Rump Roast! Jared and Brooke play “Number One Fan” to find out whether their personal preferences line up with favorites of the American masses. (28:25) Brooke Lively is the CEO and founder of Cathedral Capital, a team of CFOs and profitability strategists who help entrepreneurs turn their businesses into profitable companies. Our opening track is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The Legal Trends Report Minute music is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing track is L'apparition by Bellodrone. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Don't overexert yourself, but maybe start being just a tiny bit more aggressive with your business plan. Jared Correia talks through the current state of law firm businesses, highlighting the fact that the hiring pool is bigger than ever, the distributed workforce is on the rise, and that even small steps toward rethinking how you run your firm and look for new talent could yield some very positive results. (1:57) Today's guest, Ron Godier, continues the hiring conversation with tips and tactics for marketing jobs to the right candidates and appealing to younger generations of lawyers. (7:42) And, finally, in today's edition of the Rump Roast, Jared's brother, Patrick Correia, gives us an inside look at just how much of a nightmare it was to have Jared for an older brother. (23:46) Check out Ron Godier's Intalegent community for better insights on your next hire. Ron Godier is the principal consultant for law and legal services at Hirewerx and founder of Intalegent, an online community for recruitment leaders. Patrick Correia is, among other things, Jared's brother. This week, we talked about the present and future of work. So, we've got some songs about work. Work hard, rock hard. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1yhhLSxFaEClrx5GSEJmaO?si=4696439c633e4ee1 Our theme song is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The Legal Trends Report Minute song is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing song is Feel It by Dr. Delight. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Don't overexert yourself, but maybe start being just a tiny bit more aggressive with your business plan. Jared Correia talks through the current state of law firm businesses, highlighting the fact that the hiring pool is bigger than ever, the distributed workforce is on the rise, and that even small steps toward rethinking how you run your firm and look for new talent could yield some very positive results. (1:57) Today's guest, Ron Godier, continues the hiring conversation with tips and tactics for marketing jobs to the right candidates and appealing to younger generations of lawyers. (7:42) And, finally, in today's edition of the Rump Roast, Jared's brother, Patrick Correia, gives us an inside look at just how much of a nightmare it was to have Jared for an older brother. (23:46) Check out Ron Godier's Intalegent community for better insights on your next hire. Ron Godier is the principal consultant for law and legal services at Hirewerx and founder of Intalegent, an online community for recruitment leaders. Patrick Correia is, among other things, Jared's brother. This week, we talked about the present and future of work. So, we've got some songs about work. Work hard, rock hard. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1yhhLSxFaEClrx5GSEJmaO?si=4696439c633e4ee1 Our theme song is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The Legal Trends Report Minute song is I See You by Sounds Like Sander. Our closing song is Feel It by Dr. Delight. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

From his incredible skill to his entertainingly ruthless trash-talk, Larry Bird was one of the best. Jared shares some of his favorite stories about the Hick from French Lick, and points out that the L.A. Lakers were, and still are, a steaming pile of, well… you know. (1:50) Jared then welcomes guest Shawn Hill to chat about online reviews and their potential to help you grow your business. Shawn shares how effective management and response to reviews builds your reputation and draws in new clients. (8:49) This time on the Rump Roast, Jared asks Shawn about his involvement with the Philadelphia Flyers Mascot, Gritty, and how the initial fan reaction went from loathing to devotion in less than 24 hours! (25:37) Shawn Hill is community marketing director at NiceJob Inc, a review management platform, and is the host of The NiceJob Podcast. Our theme song is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The Legal Trends Report Minute song is I See You by Sounds Like Sander Our closing song is Hey Yo Rocco! by Dresden, The Flamingo. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

From his incredible skill to his entertainingly ruthless trash-talk, Larry Bird was one of the best. Jared shares some of his favorite stories about the Hick from French Lick, and points out that the L.A. Lakers were, and still are, a steaming pile of, well… you know. (1:50) Jared then welcomes guest Shawn Hill to chat about online reviews and their potential to help you grow your business. Shawn shares how effective management and response to reviews builds your reputation and draws in new clients. (8:49) This time on the Rump Roast, Jared asks Shawn about his involvement with the Philadelphia Flyers Mascot, Gritty, and how the initial fan reaction went from loathing to devotion in less than 24 hours! (25:37) Shawn Hill is community marketing director at NiceJob Inc, a review management platform, and is the host of The NiceJob Podcast. Our theme song is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. The Legal Trends Report Minute song is I See You by Sounds Like Sander Our closing song is Hey Yo Rocco! by Dresden, The Flamingo. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Lawyers have a lot of annoying habits, but Jared's figured out the worst—referring to their fellow humans as “nonlawyers.” Not only is it demeaning to, well, everyone, but it can also be the source of an unhealthy culture between lawyers and their legal staff. Be honest now . . . have you fallen into this pattern? Don't worry! Jared has some great tips for how not to be an ass and, instead, promote office unity! (2:05) Next up, Jared chats with Toya Gavin of Legally Bold about her journey from lawyer to consultant and how she helps struggling lawyers reassess their careers and find true fulfillment. (6:56) And, finally, Jared puts a spin on the Stick or Quit quiz from Toya's own site for this edition of the Rump Roast! (24:09) Toya Gavin, Esq. is an attorney, legal consultant and founder of Legally Bold, an online coaching and consulting agency where she liberates lawyers from unfulfilling work so that they can claim the lives and careers they really want. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0INXlF8EHaSSWPHa6Ue0SV?si=421398a379db47c4 Our opening theme is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. Our closing song is Questionable by Ryan Saranich. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Part 2 of Round 1 of the 64-song March Yachtness tournament invites guest Jared Correia on the show to help John and Tom determine which yacht rock tune is the yachtiest of all time. Which songs were the “The Fatal Four” — aka, the “first four out?” Who will move on to The Smooth Sixteen? Who are the Cinderella Stories, and which Aqua-Blue Bloods will have their brackets busted? Which co-host will exercise his one-time veto power? Jared Correia is a fellow podcast host himself, hosting The Legal Toolkit podcast and On the Road. Jared invited Tom onto his podcast to give his his lawyer listeners a yacht rock primer. Which picks did they get wrong? Sound off on our Facebook page! facebook.com/yachtrockpodcast The Lightning Round: Does It Float Your Boat? Buried Treasures Off the Map References and Related: Tom's guest appearance on the Legal Toolkit podcast to offer a little yacht rock into The Rump Roast. Find Jared's podcasts, Legal Toolkit and On the Road here. John's Spotify Yacht Rock Playlist Tom's Spotify Yacht Rock Playlist Yacht or Nyacht? The Official Yachtski Scale Playlist of songs featured on Out of the Main Intro music: “Sunrise on the Water” by Page99 (full album out February 19, 2021) Find and Follow: The Mainland: YachtRockPodcast.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/yachtrockpodcast Twitter: https://twitter.com/yachtrockpod Anchors Aweigh: https://anchor.fm/yachtrockpodcast --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/yachtrockpodcast/support

Could a video game starring a humanoid burlap sack possibly be worth your time? This one might be up for debate, but Jared Correia says—yes! If pandemic isolation has got you down, family-friendly Sackboy might be just what you need to liven things up. (2:05) In today's interview segment, Jared welcomes Nicole Clark to take a look at recent trends in legal research and new ways AI is helping lawyers gain insightful access to state court records. (9:05) And, finally—the Rump Roast! Jared and Nicole play “Three Questions”, a hilarious matching game featuring unusual question/answer trios. (25:39) Nicole Clark is the co-founder and CEO at Trellis Research, Inc. Since Nicole and Jared talked about odd couples, here are some great musical couplings, both odd and even! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0VKj0fMMNViLxgeJ2Rd28i?si=6nisa5GhQo2Ji111CTaPRA Our opening theme is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. Our closing song is Don't Go ‘Way Nobody by George Lewis and His New Orleans Stompers. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Okay, yes, we all thought “cat lawyer” was utterly hilarious—truly some top-notch accidental comedy. But, did anyone notice the slew of tech incompetence going on there, in addition to the unfortunate filter? Lawyers can and should do better, and Jared Correia is here to remind us why. (2:05) Next, Jared welcomes Chad Sands to discuss tactics for taking your legal marketing in a more creative direction. Legal marketing slips into the same boring formula far too often, but Chad has tips for law firms of all sizes to amp things up in unexpected, inventive ways. (7:22) Last, in this Rump Roast, Jared departs from impossible trivia to chat with Chad about his musician/Hollywood/almost-famous past and his awkward bathroom encounters with Ryan Gosling. (20:47) Chad Sands is the vice president of marketing at Tracers and producer/creative director at Jumper Away. Chad wrote us a blog post going into more detail about his top 5 Marketing Strategy Tips for 2021, so be sure to check that out. In honor of my interview with the famous-adjacent Chad Sands, this episode’s playlist highlights some of Chad's favorite songs -- some from his own bands! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0AL605QyuW8x9HJiYQjz1y?si=pEWq3wuFQfu6qUkXF_kJDw Our opening theme is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest Our music spotlight and closing song is All Over You by the Jury Pool. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, Alert Communications and Clio.

Jared might not like superhero movies much, but WandaVision’s homage to classic sitcoms and fresh take on hero life has sucked him right in. Well, or maybe his mega-crush on Elizabeth Olsen had something to do with it. Either way, tune in for six reasons you should join Jared in his weekly WandaVision viewing. But—listener beware—this monologue is riddled with spoilers! (2:16) If you haven’t watched episodes 1-4, skip ahead to the guest interview, wherein Jared welcomes fellow lawyer/podcaster John Strohmeyer to chat about creating better customer service in your law firm. Defining your values can help you develop better processes that, in turn, promote client satisfaction. (9:31) Lastly, we know you’ve been waiting for the Rump Roast! This time, Jared quizzes John on the top trending words on urbandictionary.com. (26:02) John Strohmeyer is an international tax and estate planning attorney and host of the Five Star Counsel Podcast. This week, I talked about the new Disney+ show 'WandaVision'. So, here are my favorite Disney songs! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5U3ZYUfpPYQU0v0ilXrYcb?si=i91FC1-tQ0eXlEzOS2lY8w Our theme song is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. Our closing song is 555 by Tiger Gang. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, and Alert Communications.

How does Jared sound so damn good in this podcast? Maybe you’re not a podcaster, but we’ve all been tossed into the world of online meetings in the past year, and having the right audio tools can help you sound your best. Listen in for Jared’s top audio tips, with a little wisdom on being camera-ready, too. You know, like taking a shower and stuff. (1:50) Next, Jared welcomes Sarah Schaaf to talk through her thoughts on why the shift toward using a single provider for your legal tech needs is a good move for lawyers. (8:58) And, as always, stick around for the Rump Roast—this time á la shocking (or not?) Correia family history. (26:02) Jared’s Audio Tips: Shure SM58, Blue Snowball, or another high-quality microphone. Krisp - for muting background noise. Audacity - free recording/editing software. Zencastr - a recording platform. Noise-canceling headphones Sarah’s Sparkling Margarita: Lowball glass full of ice A few fingers of tequila (higher end the better) A splash of fresh lime and agave (or Margarita Mix) ⅓ to ⅔ can (to taste) of sparkling beverage (Sarah recommends Coconut LaCroix) Sarah Schaaf is general manager of the payments division at Paradigm. Because we love Sarah so much, this episode’s playlist is inspired by her love of African funk. Listen to it below while you mix up some of Sarah's Sparkling Margarita: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3a14k3zD5LJQ1VMoAhV8Yu?si=gxXIgfcDR-SpmYwvVDsANg Our theme song is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. Our closing song is Sewn To You by The HA. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, and Alert Communications.

Whether projecting himself from a rubber rhino’s anus or adeptly portraying the late Andy Kaufman, Jim Carrey knows how to commit wholeheartedly to a role. To kick off the show, Jared talks through some of Carrey’s greatest works and makes the case for why this oft-typecast actor deserves higher accolades in his industry. (1:43) Next, Jared welcomes Melissa Rogozinski to discuss the current state of web-based legal conferences and what could be done to increase attendee engagement. (7:52) And, stick around for the Rump Roast, where Jared quizzes Melissa on a variety of celebrity nicknames. (27:59) Melissa Rogozinski is CEO of RPC Strategies, LLC, and the RPC Round Table. This week, we talked about the overlooked dramatic acting roles of Jim Carrey. He's largely known for comedy + so is this playlist! It's the best of comedy and parody artists! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3VtyuzW8NKbUK3DNePTFhi?si=mJY0FdVSSbGosWsUpFXqwA Our theme song is Two Cigarettes by Major Label Interest. Our closing song is Schoolyard Swing by Cast of Characters. Special thanks to our sponsors Scorpion, TimeSolv, and Alert Communications.

Jared D. Correia, Esq. is the Founder and CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, is the host of the Legal Toolkit podcast on Legal Talk Network, and is the co-founder of Gideon – a legal app used to connect to, communicate with, and service prospects and clients. Jared knew in law school that he would thrive as a consultant to lawyers. He practiced for a while then started consulting. Now, he offers private law practice consulting and has served 3,500 clients.He was driven out of law practice in part because of “loud typing.”This interview is chock full of actionable advice for lawyers at any stage of practice.Tune in Today and let us know what you think!  If you or anyone you know might be interested in being a guest of The Bold Sidebar – email Tina George at tgeorge@hornlawgroup.net  for details.    Horn Law Group, LLC 801A Main Street Toms River, NJ 08753 T: 732.736.9300E: tgeorge@hornlawgroup.net  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheBoldSidebar/                         https://www.facebook.com/hornlawgroupnj/  Jared Correia265 Franklin StreetBoston, MA 02110T: (617) 398-7181E: jared@redcavelegal.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/jaredcorreia               https://twitter.com/LegalTalkNetLinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaredcorreia/ 

In this episode, I am excited to have Jared Correia on to talk about looking at our law firms from the business aspect and how to grow them without driving ourselves insane. Jared Correia is the CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting. A former practicing attorney, Jared has been advising lawyers and law firms for over a decade. He is a regular presenter at local, regional and national events, and he regularly contributes to legal publications, including his columns for Attorney at Work and Lawyerist. Jared is also the host of The Legal Toolkit podcast on Legal Talk Network.   Topics Covered How law school doesn't teach us to be entrepreneurial as lawyers, and how change management is hard on law firms. Jared talks on how he specifically helps lawyers to overcome that. How law firm managers can better focus on the business aspect when there is a constant overwhelm of new technology and financial burdens. The positive effects of appropriate delegation on the small law firm owner, from differentiating yourself from others and content marketing. He also talks on general time management tips. As a business owner, including the owner of a small law firm, you need to be able to bounce back from failure. Jared talks on how to manage that and what that looks like. What he does in his personal life to maintain his sanity as a business owner, and what we should adopt to help better protect ourselves from burnout. Find out more on Jared at: Red Cave Legal Twitter     Questions? Comments? Email Jeena! hello@jeenacho.com. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho For more information, visit: jeenacho.com Order The Anxious Lawyer book — Available in hardcover, Kindle and Audible Find Your Ease: Retreat for Lawyers I'm creating a retreat that will provide a perfect gift of relaxation and rejuvenation with an intimate group of lawyers. Interested? Please complete this form: https://jeena3.typeform.com/to/VXfIXq MINDFUL PAUSE: Bite-Sized Practices for Cultivating More Joy and Focus 31-day program. Spend just 6 minutes every day to practice mindfulness and meditation. Decrease stress/anxiety, increase focus and concentration. Interested? http://jeenacho.com/mindful-pause/ Transcript Jared Correia: [00:00:01] And I think a lot of what lawyers get stuck on their headspace is okay, I've got to get clients and I've got to crank out the substitive work, and I don't have time for anything else. But business management techniques are just like anything else, you just have to take the time to learn them and figure out what you're doing. Intro: [00:00:18] Welcome to The Resilient Lawyer podcast. In this podcast, we have meaningful, in-depth conversations with lawyers, entrepreneurs, and change agents. We offer tools and strategies for creating a more joyful and satisfying life. And now your host, Jeena Cho. Jeena Cho: [00:00:43] Hello my friends, thanks for being with me today. In this episode, I'm delighted to have Jared Correia, he is the CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting. He is a former practicing attorney, and Jared has been advising lawyers and law firms for over a decade. He is a regular presenter at local, regional, and national events, and he regularly contributes to legal publications, including his column for Attorney at Work and Lawyerist. Jared is also the host of The Legal Toolkit podcast on Legal Talk Network. [00:01:14] Before we get into the interview, if you haven't listened to the last bonus episode, go back and check it out. I shared a 6 minute guided meditation to help you work with loneliness. It's a preview for my new course, Mindful Pause. So often I hear from lawyers that they know they should practice mindfulness, but they just don't have the time. And I always tell lawyers, just start with six minutes, .1 hour. Of all the hours you dedicate to your clients, work, and others, don't you deserve to have at least .1 hour to yourself? [00:01:45] Mindful Pause is designed for lawyers like you, to fit into your hectic schedule. Think of it like taking your daily vitamins to boost your well-being. Head on over to JeenaCho.com to learn more or check out the show notes. And with that, here's Jared. Jared, welcome to The Resilient Lawyer podcast. Jared Correia: [00:02:01] Hey, thanks. I'm very excited to be here. And yes, make time for mindfulness everybody. So true. Jeena Cho: [00:02:07] Also, I wanted to have Jared on the show because not only is he my coach, but my husband (who is also my law partner) also uses him. So I wanted to have you on to just share your wisdom and your knowledge with the listeners. But before we get started, why don't we just start by having you give us a 30-second introduction of who you are and what you do? Jared Correia: [00:02:28] Yeah it's a family affair, right? So I have a business management consultant for law firms for the last ten years. I had previously worked for the State of Massachusetts, and currently I have a private firm where I help lawyers with technology, financial management, and marketing decisions, and I also have several bar associations I work with on a contract basis, and have been more regularly. And for more information you can check out my website, which is redcavelegal.com. Was that 30 seconds? I hope so. Jeena Cho: [00:03:07] Great. So to get started, I think there's such a disconnect between what they teach you in law school and the actual practice of law, and you talk a lot about having an entrepreneurial mindset. Tell us what you mean by that, and why it is that lawyers aren't naturally entrepreneurial. Jared Correia: [00:03:26] I should say that law school is getting better about teaching lawyers about business management, but it's still not great. And I think lawyers are just not great at business management because they were never taught it. Like if you get an MBA, you learn how to run a business. But when you're in law school, generally speaking the whole curriculum is focused on substitive legal work, and that's great to turn you into a lawyer who can practice law, but that's not great at turning you into a lawyer who can practice business. And it's a totally different mindset, to run a business than it is to work for somebody. You've got to be resilient, there's a lot of highs and lows, you got to be on top of things constantly. There's not a day where you can take an afternoon off and go on Amazon and shop for stuff; you've always got to be gunning for the next client. And you have to potentially manage other people too, which is difficult for many folks to do. And sometimes you have to do that coming right out of law school, or without a whole lot of experience doing it, and that's a really difficult part of it. The places I see lawyers falling on their faces who could be managing businesses better but are not, are the ones who don't want to take the time to learn. business management techniques. And also, taking the time to learn how to manage people. Especially if you're going to grow a law firm and the idea is to be bigger than a solo shop at one point, you really need to figure out how to leverage staff. And that's a hard thing to do. Jeena Cho: [00:04:47] Yeah. How does one go about learning any of that stuff? Jared Correia: [00:04:53] Well of course, you want to talk to somebody who is a really good business consultant. But outside of that, a lot of it's trial and error honestly and figuring out as you go, and trying to do as much research as possible. I think knowledge is power with a lot of this stuff, and there's information available online. So if have time to sit down and watch YouTube videos or read articles about how other people have done it, that's helpful. If you can find a mentor who's an attorney who has the kind of practice that you want to have, then that's another way to figure these things out. Sit down and talk to somebody, or go into their office for a day and see how they manage their practice. Sit in on a staff meeting and see how that's run, ask people to show you who have successful law firms how they run the back end of their office. Do they use a case management system, do they use tasks and workflows, how do they delegate work? All that stuff can be really helpful and can be learned, it just takes some time. And I think a lot of what lawyers get stuck on in their headspace is okay I've got to get clients and I've got to crank out the substitive work, and I don't have time for anything else. But business management techniques are just like anything else, you just have to take the time to learn them and figure out what you're doing. And a lot of lawyers don't want to put in a time, they just want to be told what to do. Jeena Cho: [00:06:05] Right. Well and law school is really good at training you to do that, just to be a follower and do what they tell you to do. And then you graduate and it's like wait, there's no more script. No one's going to give me a syllabus and a homework assignment. Jared Correia: [00:06:18] Yeah exactly; there's no script, no syllabus. That's a good way to look at it. You have to learn by doing, and law schools have not traditionally been great at teaching people that. Jeena Cho: [00:06:27] Yeah and also to go along with that, there is just so many frequent changes and upheavals that is inherent in starting your own business. So thoughts about how you can cope with that or just become more resilient? Jared Correia: [00:06:42] Yeah and I'm sure this is a topic you talk about regularly and well, but that's the thing. If you've got a job, you know you're being paid every two weeks. If you have a business, it's not that way. And what law firms, especially starting law firms should think about, is that even very successful law firms have lines of credit they can borrow against. Because realistically, you could make $20 one month and $30,000 the next month. So you've got to figure out how you're going to manage those ebbs and flows of practice, and a lot of that is money-related. But the problem is, you can't let those money issues (and they're not real issues, just how a business is run) overwhelm your thinking and make bad decisions based on that. You need to be even-keeled; you need to always look at the long view. And the problem is, a lot of attorneys don't project for this type of stuff. [00:07:35] So if you're setting up a practice and you're doing revenue projections for example, which a lot of attorneys don't do and which are relatively straight-forward to put together, you'll have a better sense of what your practice is going to make on a monthly basis, on an annual basis. And realizing that it's not going to be the same every year, every month, but you're going to consistently hit the marks hopefully, help. Because it gives you some clue as to what you're doing. You've kind of got goals, whereas otherwise you're just swimming against the tide. And that's tough to do. So I think the main issue for law firms, especially those starting out, but even law firms that have been around for a while, is beating back this idea that your doors are going to close because you have a bad month. Everybody's had a bad month, and the likelihood is that you're going to have a good month following it up. And I hear this from entrepreneurs all the time and it's true because I have my own business as well - just when you think your business is crashing and burning, you'll get a couple client e-mails or you'll get a couple of phone calls for referrals. It almost always happens that way. And if you can weather the storm of the first one to three years, you're far more likely to be successful and your percentages of closing down that business go way, way down after that. So really it's just trying to be even-keeled, sticking to a plan, and working that plan over the course of years. And it's not going to happen overnight, which I think a lot of people think it might. Jeena Cho: [00:08:57] Right. And also I think as you become more experienced, you start to have less of those panicked moments. Like I remember when we first started LC Law Group, the phone wouldn't ring one day and I would be like, oh my gosh we're never going to get a new client, we're going to go homeless, we'll have to shut down our business, we'll have to go back to the old law firm. And now it's like, ok there are just slower months during the year. Like winter is always a bad time for filing for bankruptcy, no one wants to go through the holidays filing for bankruptcy you know? Jared Correia: [00:09:34] And the sooner you can get away from my thinking like, I'm going to be living under a bridge next month, the better. Jeena Cho: [00:09:40] Yeah, exactly. And I think that's also where that mindfulness practice really comes in handy, because you start to see the errors of your own thinking and you can learn to manage all of those internal anxieties. Jared Correia: [00:09:53] Oh absolutely. If you can stay away from the self-sabotaging behavior, it helps tremendously. And if you can focus reasonably on what the reality of the situation is, not the negativity you're throwing down on it, the better. And I agree, that mindfulness is a good way to center yourself. As you know very well, probably better than anyone. Jeena Cho: [00:10:14] So technology.. You know, I feel like I am constantly bombarded by all of these different technology companies. And they're like, I can help you do this thing! And part of me is like, well but I don't really need that thing, what do I really need that thing for? And it just feels so overwhelming, even something like finding a practice management software. There are so many of them, and I'm sort of like do we really need one? So thoughts about how to manage the overwhelm of the available technologies out there, and how to go about smartly selecting the ones you're actually going to use, that are appropriate for your practice? Jared Correia: [00:10:49] You're certainly not alone. Most of the people I talk to, one of their big issues is how do I choose technology? And the case management example is one that is particularly apropos, because there's probably 250-300 case management software's out there, it's insane. There are some industry leaders of course, but there are just a lot of them. And the other thing too is that this is not the end, this is just the beginning. Legal technology is still a pretty nascent field, and there are some genres of technology that legal hasn't even really explored yet. Like there are very few legal CRM's, or customer relationship management software's out there. I suspect there will be more. [00:11:31] So what you're seeing is attorneys who already feel overwhelmed, with more entries into this field every day. So you really need to take your time to manage the technology and choices you make for your law firm. And this is another thing that relates to okay how do you manage your business? Well, you have to take the time to do it. A lot of attorneys will Google technology for five minutes and they're like that looks like a good product, I'll buy that. And then it's a flaming disaster, and three months later they're like this sucks and all of technology sucks, so I'm going to go back to the Stone Age and I'm going to be faxing everything. I have those conversations quite a bit as well. [00:12:09] So I think what you want to do is not purchase the technology until you need it. And in terms of needing it, is a pain-point related to it? So let's talk about a case management software, for example. I tell people, if you want to keep your overhead low just keep a spreadsheet of your clients. Until it becomes painful for you to keep the spreadsheet for your clients. What does that mean? You find you're getting behind on administrative stuff, you find you are having trouble doing conflict checks. You find you're having trouble finding things related to client information. Once those things start to happen, you're going to get in trouble if you don't have a higher level of technology you can use. So at that point, it's good to get into a case management software. [00:12:53] And then I'd look at three to five options and extensively vet them, including about technology and data security. Because that's an important topic for lawyers as well. So that's how I would approach it, when you feel like you are overwhelmed about a task, look for technology to solve for that task. And then if technology is not the only solution you need to use, then look for people to help you. And then you're talking about contractors or employees who can also use the technology you're now going to apply for your office generally. And the advantages like, you've got so many cloud-based software's now. And from now until 10 years ago, you would never be able to get into a system or a case management software for less than $5,000 up front. Now you can get into a system like that for $10 a month. So the pain points can be a little less painful, because you can get into the software more quickly because the costs are flattened and predictable. Jeena Cho: [00:13:54] I think the next big thing (aside from office management) that lawyers struggle with is marketing. And you know, I struggle with marketing and have this feeling like if I'm really good at what I do, do I really need marketing? What do you say to that? Jared Correia: [00:14:12] Yes that's a perfect evolution, because that's a mistake a lot of lawyers make, The lawyers are always like, I went to law school and I learned to be a good lawyer who manages substitive legal work, and that should be enough, right? Like everybody should come to me. But that's not the case, because when you look at states that have high legal populations, like I'm in one in Massachusetts and you're in another California, the problem is okay you want to find a good bankruptcy attorney? Well throw a stone, there are 20. So you have to differentiate yourself from everybody else. So how do you do that? I think one of the ways you do that is you consistently talk about what you do well. And it doesn't necessarily have to be salesy, it can be very natural. Think about what your client's main issues are. So maybe you know that your clients generally come to you with three or four major problems. So write about those problems or speak about those problems. And there are so many publication methods out there now that it's really easy to engage this type of content marketing. Which is essentially advertising yourself, but also offering some free advice that is not giving away the house. What do I wear to court, how do I file bankruptcy, what type of bankruptcy should I file, that type of thing. You've got to be thinking about, what long-tail search terms are people using online to answer these questions? And you want to write for those. [00:15:33] That could be the title of your blog post or your video. You need to repurpose as well. So that can be the title of a blog post and then you turn it into a video also. Now you get two pieces of content on two different channels, that if someone explores that topic online they're going to be able to find something that links to you and you're going to be more relevant than other people who not writing about those things. And this is different than doing a standard paperclip campaign, where people are mostly focusing on shorter phrases or single words. This is a way to get after people who ask specific questions and they're searching in places that are not necessarily Google or Bing, not that anyone really searches on Bing. But if they're on Facebook or LinkedIn, you can publish this stuff broadly. And it's free to do, it just takes a lot of sweat equity. So I guess I jumped in and answered the question about how to do this, but I think step one is you talk, speak, and write about things that are related to your practice and problems that your clients have, and then you publish those items as widely as possible. Jeena Cho: [00:16:37] Well that gets me to this question of time management, because we have so many things that we have to do. I mean we obviously have to service our clients and do that very well, and then we also have to market and we have to be an entrepreneur and run our business. And especially when it comes to marketing. I was just reading some blog post and it was like, "Why Every Lawyer Should be on Instagram," and I was like no, I just don't think every lawyer needs to be on Instagram. So I have these conversations all the time, like how much social media should lawyers actually engage in? Because all of these things have a cost to them, right? Whether it's money or time. So thoughts how to prioritize your time so that you make space for these things that you need to do, but also figuring out what it is that you should be focusing your time on. Do you have thoughts about how to structure your day or general time management tips? Jared Correia: [00:17:37] Just between you and me, some lawyers should definitely not be on Instagram. But that's the thing, there are so many channels now out there. There are social media channels for business people, there are social media channels that you use for family stuff which sometimes bleeds into business. There are these video platforms, there are these photo platforms. It's overwhelming. So if I go into a law firm for example, and tell a lawyer to do these 15 things, they're going to do exactly zero of those things. So I like to focus on 1 to 3 campaigns at one time. I found in my practice and personally in the work I do and the attorneys I work with, is that it's not overwhelming as long as you keep it to one to three things per quarter. [00:18:22] So for example, what we were just talking about. So for this quarter you want to do a blog post a week, and then you want to post it to Twitter, and then you want to revise your LinkedIn profile. Alright, that's what you're doing for the next three months. That's it, don't get distracted. Don't chase another shiny object and just do those things, and then after that quarter is done see if those are still viable things that you should do, or if you want to move on. And if you want to implement those things moving forward and say you dropped one or two, pick up another two things to do for the next quarter. But I think proceeding like that is really helpful, because you don't get overwhelmed. And in terms of social media as an example, yeah there are like 50 different channels you could use. So I tell attorneys, make one your primary channel and then populate information by others. And there are these management tools for social media, for example. And I'll just tell you how I do it. [00:19:17] So I'm very active on Twitter, have been for years. Wrote the ABA book on that subject, so that's my primary channel on social media. So I have a publication schedule for Twitter, I repurpose all my stuff through there, and then if I'm posting things on other systems like LinkedIn or Google Plus, I don't have an Instagram account yet I'm probably one of those people who shouldn't have an Instagram account. You just repurpose from the main one, and you say oh that's a cool article let me repost that to my LinkedIn. And do it that way, and then it does feel less overwhelming. And then if you've got a major publishing engine, and again Twitter is mine, I publish more frequently to that than to others. And I think that's fine as well. So pick a main channel, set up subsidiary channels, and derive the content that you're placing on your subsidiary of channels for your main channels. And I think that helps too, in terms of time-management. Jeena Cho: [00:20:08] Yeah, and there are lots of different programs out there that will cross-post things for you. Like I use Buffer, that's what I use. And it'll post things on different schedules to all the different platforms, and I find that that just makes it a lot easier rather than to log in to LinkedIn and post it there, and then go over to Facebook and post it there. Jared Correia: [00:20:30] Scheduling is great. And people always tell me, I'm talking to you right now and you just posted something online. And I'm like yeah, that's because I did it like three days ago. And people are still staggered by that, and I'm sure you run into the same thing. It's like, you too can schedule posts online. It's great. Jeena Cho: [00:20:46] Yes, it is great. Or they'll be like, I thought you were on a retreat? I was on a retreat. It happens magically, automatically. Jared Correia: [00:20:57] My time management could be better, because I'm clicking through e-mails as I'm recording your podcast and you're about to murder me. So I need to work on that a little. But that's one reason why I don't have a smartphone, because when I'm out meeting with people or I'm hanging out with my kids at the playground or whatever, I don't want to be distracted all the time. So one of the ways I combat that is I don't give myself access to those things, at certain points. Jeena Cho: [00:21:32] Well I think in every business, as well as just in general in life, there will be obstacles and challenges and failures. How do you deal with that? Jared Correia: [00:21:44] I try to look at the process more than the result. And I know that sounds crazy, I know most people are totally results-focused. If I have a process in place and something doesn't work out exactly the way I want it to, I'm comfortable with that because I felt like I took the time to do it right. To be able to think of things in that way, you have a notion that things not going to go perfectly every time and you're not going to have a 100% hit rate in business; it's just never going to happen. And that's okay. It's okay to step back and reassess things or not move forward on something because it wasn't working out. If you look at professional baseball, you get 3 hits out of 10 at bat you're a success. And I think for a lot of small businesses it's the same way. Once you find out what your bread and butter is, that's great and then you can experiment outside of that. But not every experiment you take is going to be successful. So I think focus on the process, focus on being thoughtful about what you're doing, and then don't just throw that failure into a bucket and be done with it. Analyze it and see what didn't work, and you never know. You could rehash it later on at a different time, tweak what you were doing a little bit, and it might be successful. Maybe you were a little bit ahead of the curve, maybe you a little bit behind the curve. [00:23:03] But you don't know unless you take the time to analyze it. And that's fine, but it doesn't mean you stop taking swings. And eventually, if you've got the process right I think you're going to hit on results more often than not. But do take the time to analyze why something failed or why something is successful, and you can use it next time. And also, you never know. I'm very bad (or good, depending on your outlook) about taking every call or e-mail that comes into me. I always talk to somebody or respond to somebody, because you never know what's going to happen. So I think there are potentially opportunities within things that you would label failures, that might work out in the long run. Maybe you try something different, but you end up meeting a great referral source that you never would have if you had not done something like that. [00:23:47] I think it also tracks back to business owners being comfortable taking chances. Creating a business is a real risk, especially in this economy. And just because you have one successful endeavor or one successful niche practice that's working for you doesn't necessarily mean you don't want to take risks anymore. You don't want to push the risk out of your profile, because it might cause your practice to stagnate. And that's the last thing you want. Jeena Cho: [00:24:15] Right, yeah. And also, I'm obviously like a lot of people, risk adverse and I don't like to have failure. But I took a class on design thinking, and it really changed how I view failure. Because in design thinking, you never think about failures as like, oh this didn't work. It's always an opportunity for learning, and also an opportunity to gather data. So you take that data and you repurpose and you iterate, and come up with the next prototype. So I think if you can look at it in terms of like, I'm gathering more data and I'm just running an experiment rather than I'm a failure as a human being. Because I think that's what often happens, we internalize these "failures". So if you can adjust your thinking in terms of, oh I failed at this, now I suck at this and I'm a terrible lawyer. Like no, I ran an experiment, it didn't work. Let me gather some data so I can figure out what I can do differently next time. Jared Correia: [00:25:16] And that's a great way to look at it. Yeah, the design thinking idea is great. I also use software terminology when I talk about this, sometimes I'll say this is my beta or this is my alpha, or this is a skunkworks project that I'm working on that nobody really knows about that I'm testing it out. And I think if you can think of it that way, that's great because software companies, design companies, they don't think of failure in the same way that business owners do, traditional business owners. And then you're completely right about this notion that people feel like, I failed at "X" part of my business or "X" experiment within my business, so I'm a terrible person and I failed my family. That happens, and the quicker you can get over that, the more you get back into running your business effectively. You can't let that drag you down for a day or an hour, because you've lost time moving on to the next thing. Jeena Cho: [00:26:07] Yeah. What are your thoughts on helping people maintain their sanity as business owners? Jared Correia: [00:26:15] Good question, I'm still trying to figure that out myself. I think you need an outlet. Mindfulness is a great outlet for example, and all the things associated with that, like yoga. If I could do yoga, that would be great. But I've almost died doing yoga several times, so maybe that's not what I do. Exercise good though. If you can get on a regular exercise schedule, that's helpful. If not on a daily basis, at least regularly with a system and a plan. That helps you get stress out. If you don't have a way to get your stress out, you're going to carry that over into the work, you're going to carry that over to your family, and you're not going to be particularly effective. Jeena Cho: [00:26:54] Yeah, I think putting yourself first and caring about your own well-being is really, really important for not only being a good lawyer, but a good business owner, good family member. All of the things you do in life. Jared Correia: [00:27:08] I also try to differentiate between work and hobbies. I think people don't necessarily do that, especially lawyers. People are always looking to gain new revenue, and I think lawyers are always thinking what's the next thing I can do that can make me money? But I think it's okay sometimes to do something that doesn't make you money, just because you enjoy doing it. I don't know if it's scrimshaw, I don't know if it's woodworking, I don't know if it's writing the great American novel. But whatever it is, take some time out to do it. [00:27:36] And the last thing I'll say on this is, I often tell people the problem with a lot of lawyers too is they work seven days a week and they never give themselves a break. So once a week, take a day off. A full day and don't do work from midnight to midnight, and then get back after it and catch your breath. Oftentimes attorneys and small business owners don't give themselves a chance to do that. Jeena Cho: [00:27:58] Yeah, totally. And that's a recipe for chronic stress and anxiety and burnout. [00:28:03] Well before I ask you my final question, for the people that want to learn more about you and your work, what are some of the best places for them to do that? Jared Correia: [00:28:15] Oh yeah. Let me say two places: I said my website before, and that's a great place to go. I have a lot of information there, it tells you everything I do. RedCaveLegal.com. And as I said, I'm also very active on Twitter. Most of the stuff I do, I'll post on there. And that's at Twitter.com/JaredCorreia. Just my name, Jared Correia. Yes, I have three vowels at the end of my name, my kids and my wife complain about it constantly. Such is my life. Jeena Cho: [00:28:53] And all of that information will be in the show notes. And my final question to you is this: the name of this podcast is called The Resilient Lawyer, what does it mean to be a resilient lawyer to you? Jared Correia: [00:29:01] Oh, that's a really good question. I think a resilient lawyer is somebody who can strike out on their own, build a practice from scratch as a solo attorney; those are the lawyers I have a lot of respect for. And you can maintain that over the course of years and not be overwhelmed by viewing themselves as potential failure or imposters, which happens a lot for lawyers. So I think a resilient lawyer is somebody runs a successful practice and has a healthy psychological profile. Jeena Cho: [00:29:30] Great response. Thank you so much Jared for joining me today, I really appreciate it. Jared Correia: [00:29:36] My pleasure, this was really fun. I'm glad we could do it. Closing: [00:29:42] Thanks for joining us on The Resilient Lawyer podcast. If you've enjoyed the show, please tell a friend. It's really the best way to grow the show. To leave us a review on iTunes, search for The Resilient Lawyer and give us your honest feedback. It goes a long way to help with our visibility when you do that, so we really appreciate it. As always, we'd love to hear from you. E-mail us at smile@theanxiouslawyer.com. Thanks and look forward to seeing you next week.