The River Radius Podcast

Live from the River Management Society's Annual Symposium in Ashland, Oregon, we bring you a live conversation with Paddle Tribal Waters. This powerful project is paddling the entire length of the Klamath River from its headwaters to the Pacific Ocean during the summer of 2025. We dive into the vision and logistics behind this month-long river journey. Hear how Paddle Tribal Waters is weaving together stories of ecology, culture and river life. SPONSORSNorthwest River Supplies@nrswebFacebookAmerican Whitewater@americanwhitewaterFacebook HOSTRiver Management SocietyRMS Symposium@rivermgtsociety GUESTSRios to RiversPaddle Tribal Waters@riostorivers Danielle Rey FrankAmada Lang@moddssRuby Rain Williams @rubyrainwilliamsKeeya Wik @keeya.wikiJulian Tohnikyaw Rogers @tohnikyaw  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteRunoff signup (episode newsletter)InstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Katie Veteto is a river guide with quiet calculated confidence and a sharp eye for water. Within a few years she was navigating one of the most difficult crafts on the river—the massive sweep boat. NRS's new film Driving Sweep, directed by River Radius Contributing Host Greg Cairns, follows her journey of learning, doubt, and determination as she takes on a role historically dominated by men. Through her story, the film offers a powerful reflection on resilience, mentorship, and making space in wild places.GUESTSKatie VetetoKatie Veteto was born in Southern Utah, raised in the Missoula Valley, and now spends her time in Missoula, MT and Salmon, ID. She grew up seeing the rivers of the West through the joyful lens of community and recreation and continues to guide on rivers in Montana and Idaho. Katie is an elementary school teacher. During Katies time off, you'll find her romping in the woods with her dog Tuck, swing dancing, knitting hats, writing, or bumping around on a bike. In the Summer you'll find her somewhere on the Middle Fork of the Salmon.Greg CairnsContributing Host & Film Creator SPONSORSNRS@nrsweb Valley Nissan@valley_nissan WATCH THE FILMYouTube linkRead about the film GIVEAWAYEnter Here@riverradiuspodcast  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteRunoff signup (episode newsletter)InstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Two friends become enamored with R1 rafting and together began running class 5 runs to include waterfalls. Then they decide to spend a summer R1ing and making a river film about their fun. Kenny Beauchamp and Ryan Huck tell their story of being friends, running scary fun water and learning to make a film.   GIVEAWAYEnter Here GUESTSRyan Huck @hucknstuff29Kenny Beuachamp @steep_creek_kennyFilm Acct @steep_creek_productions_llcWebsite:  www.steepcreekproductions.comEPISODE SPONSORSSOTAR@sotaronthewaterTurtle Box Audio@turtleboxaudioListen Responsibly Valley Nissan@valley_nissan THE FILM:  JUST GET A KAYAKFILM CREWSage Yazzie @nativenaturellcMusic Jackson Corbo on Spotify & InstagramDrone pilot @anakin_fpvThad @thaddeusthefirst FILM SPONSORSSOTAR@sotaronthewaterTurtle Box@turtleboxaudioOver it Raft Covers@overitraftcovers Colorado Water Trust@cowatertrust Gili Gear@giligear River Station Gear@riverstationgear  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteRunoff signup (episode newsletter)InstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

This is the 3rd and last episode about the Tijuana River. The Tijuana River is a story of trade, immigration and international borders. This is a river that flows across the US Mexico border and carries pollution and sewage. Our guest is Dr Maria-Elana Giner; she served as commissioner of the International Boundary and Water Commission and upon request of President Trump, she resigned from this position in April of 2025. In this 3rd episode we look for solutions to this epic challenge for the US and Mexico. CO-HOSTRamon ChairezUn Mar de Colores GUESTSDr Maria-Elana GinerIBWC Wastewater Treatment PlantLetter or Resignation, Dr GinerNew IBWC CommissionerNews on Dr Giner resigning as Commissioner RESOURCESTijuana RiverTijuana River National Estuarine Research Reserve Tijuana, MexicoSan Diego / Tijuana Metro AreaNavy Seals impacted by Tijuana River PREVIOUS EPISODES ON TIJUANA RIVERPart 1, Tijuana River, Binational FlowPart 2, Tijuana River, Source of the PollutionSPONSORSAmerican Rivers@americanriversFacebookKaris Family FoundationThe Buddy Boy@buddyboyusa THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteRunoff signup (episode newsletter)InstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Many of our favorite rivers run through public land, land that is owned and managed by the Federal Government, and so therefore owned by the citizens of the United States. There is renewed chatter in Washington DC suggesting that major sales of public lands can create significant revenue for the Federal Government. This episode hosts experts on this topic from the Idaho Outfitters & Guides Association, and the Greater Yellowstone Coalition to learn more about who wants this, why this is being considered, what are the benefits, and how listeners can engage in the process.   GUESTSKathy RinaldiGreater Yellowstone Coalition Jack HurtyIdaho Outfitter and Guides Association ARTICLES ON TOPICRepublicans weigh sales of public land in reconciliationCould federal land be sold to pay for tax cuts? LINKS TO SENATORS & REPRESENTATIVESFind your House of Representatives MemberFind your US Senator SPONSORSThe Buddy Boy@buddyboyusaDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusa SURVEY LINKRiver Radius Survey EMAIL SIGNUP LINKContact Form THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteRunoff signup (episode newsletter)InstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Do you ever wonder if bots are being used to acquire river permits during the annual cancellation lotteries each year? So do we. So we built a bot to see if it works to secure permits. And we tried talking with rec dot gov to get their input. Check out this episode for a tour of bots, permits, bureaucracy and access to public rivers.  SURVEY ABOUT THE RIVER RADIUS PODCASTRUNOFF EMAIL LIST SIGN UP2021 EPISODE ABOUT RIVER PERMITS GUESTSHayden BlackfordAmerican WhitewaterKevin ColburnRiver Permit Survey Results PreviewRivers Requiring Permits ListAllocating Recreation with Fairness at the ForefrontReserve ActRec Dot GovAre Bots Reserving all the Popular Locations?SPONSORSAmerican WhitewaterIGFBValley Nissan IGDown River EquipmentIG        THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteRunoff signup (episode newsletter)InstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

The Tijuana Rivers courses through the City of Tijuana Mexico where 2 million people live.  Several hundred thousand homes in Tijuana are not connected to the city sewage system and this leads to significant pollution of the Tijuana River.  And because the city of Tijuana butts right up to the US Mexico border, the path of the river sewage and the responsibility for managing is not always clear.  This episode goes into Tijuana to learn more about why the pollution exists, where it comes from and the status of various infrastructure tools that manage the pollution.  CO-HOSTRamon ChairezUn Mar de Colores GUESTSHernando DuranTijuana Verde en EspanolTijuana Verde in EnglishWaylon Matson4 Walls InternationalRosario Jacqueline MorenoChris HelmerCity of Imperial BeachIBWC Wastewater Treatment PlantTijuana RiverTijuana River National Estuarine Research Reserve Tijuana, MexicoSan Diego / Tijuana Metro AreaNorth American Free Trade AgreementUnited States Mexico Canada Free Trade AgreementSPONSORSAmerican Rivers@americanriversFacebookKaris Family FoundationDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusa THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

This episode is on site where a beautiful desert mountain river flows through an estuary and into the Pacific Ocean. Before the Tijuana River meets the ocean, it navigates through a dense urban border region with 5 million people. The outcome is a river that is carrying toxic sewage and pollution to the ocean, closing beaches and creating illness in the river and beach communities. This is the first episode in a series about this beautiful place, the epic pollution, and the incredible people who are engaged in the work to clean up this river and ocean. GUESTSRamon ChairezDr Paula GranadosDr Kimberly DicksonDr Matthew DicksonTijuana RiverImperial Beach ClosedSaturn Boulevard Hot SpotTijuana River National Estuarine Research Reserve Tijuana, MexicoSan Diego / Tijuana Metro AreaSPONSORSAmerican Rivers@americanriversFacebookKaris FoundationDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusa THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

River runners became paramount for river rescue in many parts of Appalachia when Hurricane Helene inflated the rivers to record levels. People were stranded in buildings, bridges blew out, and houses were swept downriver. This live episode at the America Outdoors Conference hosts 3 river runners who immediately engaged in the rescue of people stranded by the floods, and, the rescue of the rivers from their own floods. They tell the stories of their work beginning at daybreak on day 1 of Hurricane Helene.  GUESTSKorey HamptonMitch HamptonFrench Broad AdventuresSteven FoyNantahala Outdoor Center RELEVANT LINKS AND CONTENTUSA Today articles about Korey and Mitch running rescuesUSA TodayHeroes & heartbreak: 36 hours of hell during Helene's historic floodsUSA TodayFrom rescue to recovery:The grim task in flood ravaged WNCNew York Times, print and podcast story about Mr TiptonNY TimesFor hours he clung to a tree. But none came.The Daily Podcast (NY Times)60 Minutes: Families in WNC rebuild in wake of Helene: "This is home"Read:  Hurricane Helene SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaRiver Management Society2025 Symposium@rivermgtsocietyFB River Management Society Part 1, Hurricane Helene in Appalachia, The Science THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

In September of 2024 when Hurricane Helene arrived in the mountains of North Carolina, Tennessee and South Carolina, it landed where the ground and rivers were already saturated and swollen with rain. The result was “the storm of record” taking out thousands of bridges, sending thousands of landslides down the mountains and taking human life. This episode hosts the National Weather Service and the Lower Mississippi River Forecast Center to explore the storm and the river reaction, and then Dr Phillip Prince goes deep in describing landslides and debris flows and their impact.  GUESTSTrisha PalmerNational Weather Service Greenville Spartanburg, South CarolinaMatt WilsonLower Mississippi River Forecast CenterSlidell, Louisiana Dr Phillip PrinceGeo Models You Tube Channel RELEVANT LINKS AND CONTENTRead:  Hurricane HeleneVideo:  French Broad River Flooding 2024 - Hurricane Helene in Woodfin, NCArticle:  Helene deals billions in damage to infrastructureArticle:  Reflections on loss and opportunity in flood ravaged Western North Carolina SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaRiver Management Society2025 Symposium@rivermgtsocietyFB River Management Society  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Dr Len Necefer opens up 2025 for The River Radius. Len is the mind and perspective I wanted to welcome me and you both into this 6th season of The River Radius. We talk through the relationship of rivers and elections, of books for this year, the work and impact of Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland, and other river and life layers. Len is the founder of Natives Outdoors, the Sonoran Avalanche Center, runs rivers, is articulate and intelligently humorous. This is the 2nd episode with Dr Len Necefer and both are some of my favorites. 1ST EPISODE: Part 1, Dr Len Necefer, Living in the SoupApple PodcastsSpotifyGUESTDr Len Necefer websiteNatives OutdoorsOutside TV: Running DryDr Len Necefer personal IG account Sonoran Avalanche Center IG account RELEVANT LINKSOffice of Indian Energy Policy and ProgramsHonold Foundation BOOKSSurviving Autocracy by Masha GessenThe NativesOutdoors reading list for the outdoor industrySPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaRiver Management Society2025 Symposium@rivermgtsocietyFB River Management Society  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

To move from 2024 into 2025, we have one guest in two episodes for you. Our guest is Dr Len Necefer. This is the first episode. We talk through life wrapped in intellect and self facing humor, 6th grade reading levels, native art and the modern retail market, an upriver bike ride, and river runs at the northern most reaches of the North American continent. Len is the “star” of his Outside TV show where he is riding his bike up the Colorado River from Mexico to Colorado.  He is the founder of Natives Outdoors. He served the Obama Administration in the Dept of Energy. And Len is part of the founding crew of the Sonoran Avalanche Center. Len and I sat on top of a small mountain, on a park bench looking down on the deep desert river and ski town of Tucson, Arizona on a Sunday morning in the end of November to laugh and learn, and talk life and rivers. GUESTDr Len Necefer websiteNatives OutdoorsOutside TV: Running DryDr Len Necefer personal IG account Sonoran Avalanche Center IG account RELEVANT LINKSBogs in collaboration with Natives OutdoorsHonold FoundationReturning Rapids Returning Rapids of Cataract 2021Autopsy of a Post Reservoir River SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaOver It Raft Covers@overitraftcovers THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Do rivers have rights? Should they have a set of rights that guide how they are used? In September of this year, 2024, the Biobio River in Chile was assigned a Declaration of Rights. This non binding document allows for work to be done towards making the Declaration influential and even binding at a later date. We speak with International Rivers and Malen Lebu in Chile to understand this more. SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaOver It Raft Covers@overitraftcoverspromo code, free shipping: riverradius GUESTSMonti AguirreInternational RiversEvaluna Morales@azulcordilleraMalen LebuFacebook@malenlebu IGKayakimun@kayakimunRios to RiversBiobio RiverDeclaration of Rights for the BiobioEarth Law CenterMaranon River, Peru, Declaration of Rights    THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Darby McAdams holds many places in the river world: kayaker, film maker & instructor of both kayaking and film work for young paddlers. In November of 2024 her new film NEAR THE RIVER went public. In this episode Darby moves through her kayak path, her film path and talks about NEAR THE RIVER and its story about the people of the Zambezi River in Africa. DARBY MCADAMSNear the River filmIGRiver Roots Film ProductionNRS Dirtbag Diaries:  “Darby McAdams & the Evolution of Passion” by Chandra BrownSPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaOver It Raft Covers@overitraftcoverspromo code, free shipping: riverradius   THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Georgia has rivers and streams running from the mountain country of the Southern Appalachians to the Gulf of Mexico, totaling about 70,000 total miles of waterways.  Whitewater and flatwater.  Clear water and Black water.  And a long history of publicly accessible rivers and streams.  That access is being debated by the State of Georgia and bills have been proposed that would curtail access for the public.  We talk with Georgia Rivers to learn more about this topic and about the public meeting and comment process.  SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaOver It Raft Covers@overitraftcoverspromo code, free shipping: riverradius GUESTGeorgia RiversFreedom to FloatJoe Cook PUBLIC MEETINGWednesday, Nov. 13, at 9 a.m. in Newnan Donald W. Nixon Centre for Performing and Visual Arts in Newnan, GA.Email your comments / Georgia ResidentsEmail your comments / Non Georgia Residents  THUMBNAIL IMAGEPic credit, Joe Cook, Georgia RiversFlint River, Georgia, Fall 2024  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

25 years ago the Edwards Dam was removed from the Kennebec River in Maine allowing alewives and sturgeon to return to their spawning grounds in force, revitalizing the ecosystem and delighting the paddlers and local communities with the sturgeons' explosive breaching displays. In the summer of 2024, 2 separate source to sea trips ran the lengths of the Sandy and Kennebec in Maine. Contributing host Clark Tate was part of the Sandy trip and tells the on river story of both source to sea trips.CONTRIBUTING HOSTClark Tate@lclarktate RIVERS FOR CHANGE @riversforchangewww.riversforchange.org2024 Sandy to Kennebec ConfluenceGUESTSStuart Hickey, raft guide @freeheelinghickeyJessica Sterling, kayak instructor and web designer @jester1ingChris Morgan @ccmorgan8Jennifer Noll Maine Department of Marine ResourcesSaige Purser @saigelinsayRiver Radius Podcast - Native Teen Guide In Training ProgramJoe Klementovich, Photographer@klementovich   klementovichphoto.comRiver Radius Podcast - Source to Sea on the Saco RiverMatt Palmariello @mattpalmariello    www.mainepaddling.comAmy Borch, Tattoo artist  @amy.wildhand@melontrout.tattooEli Studer, Tattoo artist @elistudertattowww.elistudertatto.com SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusaOver It Raft Covers@overitraftcoverspromo code, free shipping: riverradius SANDY RIVER INFORMATIONSandy River Northern Forest Canoe Trail MapEnvironmental Geology Along the Sandy River, Farmington Maine, Field Trip from University of Maine at Farmington. Dr. Tom Eastler, Mr. Andy Buckland, Mr. Joel SproulIndigenous Land and Water Acknowledgement by the University of Maine at FarmingtonThe Rangeley Area: A Geologic Tour by Emma Stattelman and Katarina Dickson SEA-RUN FISH INFORMATIONFinding the Next Sebasticook - National Oceanic and Atmospheric AdministrationMap of Atlantic SalmonHabitat - Maine Department of Marine ResourcesKennebec River Management Plan Diadromous Resources Amendment - Maine Department of Marine ResourcesHistorical Fish Trap Counts - Maine Department of Marine Resources KENNEBEC DAM RELICENSING INFORMATIONDraft Environmental Impact StatementThe written comments are posted on the FERC elibrary website under docket P-2322.World weighs in on fate of 4 Maine dams blocking passage of endangered salmon - Bangor Daily News by Lori ValigraConservation groups cheer decision preserving state authority in Kennebec River dam relicensing - Maine Public by Robbie FeinbergDEP says Sandy River dredging violated Maine laws - Maine Public by Murray Carpenter4 dams, the future of Kennebec fish runs and salmon's survival at stake in federal licensing battle - Press Herald, Colin WoodardState agencies are reporting more salmon returning to the Kennebec and Penobscot Rivers this Year (2023) - Maine Public by Robbie FeinbergWe Can Turn a River in Maine into a Paradise for Salmon - The New York Times by John Waldman THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

In the summer of 2024, the Chilcotin River in British Columbia had a landslide that completely blocked the river creating a natural dam.  For the next 6 days the river water backed up behind this dam until the waters finally worked over the top the of the landslide, creating a breach that would exceed the previous historical flows by 5 fold. 3 people share their experience and knowledge of the landslide in this episode.EPISODE GUESTSTŜILHQOT'IN National GovernmentJenny Philbrick, Executive DirectorState of Local Emergency Declared for Tŝilhqot'in Territory due to Tŝilhqox (Chilcotin River) LandslideTŝilhqot'in National Government initiating Emergency Salmon Task ForceROAM  Rivers, Oceans and MountainsBrian McCutcheonBritish Colombia Ministry of Water, Land and Resource StewardshipNatasha Cowie, Hydrologist, River Forecast Centre TIME LAPSE IMAGES OF LANDSLIDE AND BREACH & other info on landslideScroll down to "Timelapse..." YOU TUBE VIDEOSShort: "...helicopter view of landslide..."Short: "...building washed away..."Landslide breach video"Water begins moving past landslide damming Chilcotin River" River Radius Instagram and Facebook has videos also.  Links below.  EPISODE SPONSORS  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Why have cases of reported bat encounters at the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon drastically increased in the last several years? What are the chances of contracting rabies from a bat encounter? How is the safety of helicopter crews wrapped up in the physical location of a bat encounter? What does the vaccination process look like? In this episode, we utilize the personal story of a river runner's bat bite in the Grand Canyon, the expert perspectives of 2 ecologists, a CDC rabies expert, and the woman who oversees Search and Rescue in the Grand Canyon to provide insight into that real bat encounter that played out in the fall of 2023.GUESTSBeppe Amodio Brandon Holton Anya Metcalfe Dr. Ryan Wallace Lisa HendyRESOURCESRabies surveillance in the United States during 2022 Bat Citizen Science in the Grand CanyonRadiolab episode on RabiesNovartis Pharmaceuticals Patient Assistance ProgramGrifols Patient Assistance ProgramRX AssistSPONSORSRiver Management SocietyInstagramFacebook2025 SymposiumDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagram    THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Working as a commercial river guide is one of the best jobs, day after day on rivers, helping people enjoy rivers, seeing beauty, having fun, chasing adrenaline. Creating incredible friendships, some of which might last a lifetime. And there can be a dark layer. Sexual Harassment continues to percolate, as it does in many places, in the layers of river guide culture.  This episode goes there and learns about sexual harassment in the river guiding culture. We talk with Dr Maria Blevins, long time river guide, who has conducted research on this topic. We hear from guide warehouse and staff manager, Bryant Baker, about how he is working to eliminate sexual harassment from the company he manages. And we talk with Respect Outside and Jim Miller to gain clarity about sexual harassment definitions, when sexual harassment is assault, how and why it percolates in river guiding, and resources available for guide companies to shake free of sexual harassment. SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagramOver It Raft Covers@overitraftcoverspromo code, free shipping: riverradius GUESTSDr Maria BlevinsUniversity of UtahPaddling Magazine article by Dr BlevinsBryant BakerJim MIllerRespect OutsideSexual Harassment TrainingsRESOURCESA-DASH websiteInstagramFacebookYou TubeStrand Squared SolutionsEngage Coaching & ConsultingEEOC US Equal Employment Opportunity CommissionHarassmentGRAND CANYON RIVER DISTRACT Men's Journal: Rough Water: A River Guide Tells Her Side of the StoryHigh Country News: Grand Canyon park's 15 year failure on sexual harassmentHigh Country News: Grand Canyon abolishes river district in response to sexual harassment allegationsOutside Magazine: Hostile EnvironmentOutside Magazine: The Woman Ending Sexual Harassment at the Grand CanyonHuffpost: Out Here, No One Can Hear You ScreamUS Dept of Interior: Investigative Report of Misconduct at the Grand Canyon River District SEXUAL HARASSMENT & ASSUALT IN ROCK CLIMBINGNew York Times: Rock Climber Gets Life in Prison for Sexual AssaultClimber Convicted on all Three Counts of Sexual AssualtSafe Outside / American Alpine Club   THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

SPONSORSAmerican WhitewaterinstagramfacebookAmerican RiversinstagramfacebookNRSinstagramfacebookHigh Desert Life OutdoorsinstagramfacebookFree Flow InstituteinstagramfacebookKSJD Community Radioinstagramfacebook GUESTKevin FedarkoA WALK IN THE PARKOrder the bookAudio BookTHE EMERALD MILEPete McBrideWhile Pete is not a formal guest of these episodes, he is part of the  journey.  Here is his work from the same journey.Book:  THE COLORADO RIVER: Chasing WaterFilm:  INTO THE CANYON. TWO FRIENDS. 750 MILES THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

SPONSORSAmerican WhitewaterinstagramfacebookAmerican RiversinstagramfacebookNRSinstagramfacebookHigh Desert Life OutdoorsinstagramfacebookFree Flow InstituteinstagramfacebookKSJD Community Radioinstagramfacebook GUESTKevin FedarkoA WALK IN THE PARKOrder the bookAudio BookTHE EMERALD MILE Pete McBrideWhile Pete is not a formal guest of these episodes, he is part of the  journey.  Here is his work from the same journey.Book:  THE COLORADO RIVER: Chasing WaterFilm:  INTO THE CANYON. TWO FRIENDS. 750 MILES THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

As snow is melting and running down rivers across the US, this episode talks with hydrologists at 5 regions of the National River Forecast Center to gain perspectives on how much snow and rain fell over the winter and how it will melt and what the rivers will look like this spring and summer.  We focus on the Northeast, Southeast, Northwest, California, some of Nevada, and the Colorado River Basin. SPONSORSROCKY TALKIE5 Watt Radio, WaterproofDiscount Code 10% off:  RIVERRADIUS10InstagramFacebookYoutubePADDLE WAYSDownload the Paddle Ways app on your phone, then go to the Paddle Ways website with discount link here and subscribe there to gain the discountUse Discount Code 25% off: RADIUSPaddle Ways Instagram NRSInstagramGUESTSNational River Forecast CenterNortheast River Forecast Center, NERFCRon HorwoodSoutheast River Forecast Center, SERFCTodd HamillCalifornia Nevada River Forecast Center, CNRFCBrett WhitinNorthwest River Forecast Center, NWRFCAmy BurkeColorado Basin River Forecast Center, CBRFCAshley Nielson PREVIOUS EPISODE2023 Western Snowpack & River FlowTHUMBNAIL PICTaylor from Walker Knives   THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Dams have been blocking rivers for decades. Is there a growing crack in the dam? This episode explores dam removal as an increasing trend.  We talk with guests at the Chattooga River and Tugalo Dam, the Snake River and the Lower Snake River Dams, and the Klamath River and the active removal project there.  And we look at the trends globally for dam construction and removal.   SPONSORSPaddle Ways**Download the Paddle Ways app on your phone, then go to the Paddle Ways website with discount link here and subscribe there to gain the discountPaddle Ways InstagramNRSInstagramDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagramGUESTSChattooga ConservancyNicole HaylerChattooga RiverGrand Salmon ProjectLibby TobeySnake RiverKlamath River Renewal CorporationRen BrownellKlamath RiverInternational RiversJosh KlemmPREVIOUS EPISODES ON SAME TOPICSKlamath 1: The Origins of Paddle Tribal WatersKlamath 2: The Next Generation of Paddle Tribal WatersSalmon 1: Mountain OriginsSalmon 2: Big Dam Problems & SolutionsSalmon 3: Fighting Salmon Extinction Real TimeTHUMBNAIL PICCopco 2 Dam deconstruction on Klamath River, June 2023Credit: Shane Anderson, Swiftwater Films  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Each year American Rivers publishes a list of 10 rivers that hold great opportunity for river quality improvements. This year, in addition to covering the full list with Amy Kober of American Rivers, we talk with local experts to include the ocean surfers at the Tijuana River estuary in California, the river lovers at the Duck River in Tennessee, and the high desert river people overseeing the entire state of New Mexico. We hear about the unique rivers and the work happening to care for these places.SPONSORSROCKY TALKIE5 Watt Radio, WaterproofDiscount Code 10% off:  RIVERRADIUS10InstagramFacebookYoutubeAED ONE STOP SHOP discount landing page GUESTSAmerican Rivers2024 Most Endangered Rivers ReportInstagramFacebookTijuana RiverUn Mar de ColoresInstagramFacebookRamon Chairez (no socials) Rivers of New MexicoAmigos BravosInstagramFacebookRachel Conn@rlconn Duck RiverHarpeth ConservancyInstagramFacebookGrace Stranch@birdhandgracePREVIOUS RIVER RADIUS EPISODES ON AMERICAN RIVERS 10 MOST ENDANGERED LIST10 Rivers for 202310 Rivers for 2022   THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

SPONSORSDown River EquipmentInstagramFacebook AED One Stop Shop discount landing page  GUESTSJohn AmodioFacebookLinkedin: John Amodio Kevin FedarkoInstagramFacebook Vicki Ozaki Leonel ArguelloDave Van De Mark  CONTRIBUTING HOSTSamara Rosen RESOURCESNavigating Ecological Transformation: Resist–Accept–Direct as a Path to a New Resource Management ParadigmSierra Club Oral History Project: John AmodioMore Than Luck - Vicki Oazaki, Kin to the EarthRedwood National Park Expansion, Woodstock, Earth Day, and the Kent State Massacre Coming Full Circle: How Parks Are Using Conventional Tools in New Ways to Restore Imperiled ForestsWILDERNESS & WILDLIFE: Leonel ArguelloThe Emerald MileMartin LittonLocal Photography Legend Who Helped Establish Redwood National and State Parks Sets Out to Complete His Life's WorkActivist and photographer Dave Van de Mark treks to the upper reaches of Redwood Creek to document how its conservation has impacted its ecological condition THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Kevin Fedarko's book, the Emerald Mile, takes readers on the journey of the fastest ride through the Grand Canyon in a dory named the Emerald Mile. Fedarko's book dives into the backstory of the dam, the characters, and even the record-breaking journey, and yet leaves one question remaining: what is the backstory of the dory's namesake? In this 1st of 2 Emerald Mile episodes, the stories of Fedarko and Dave Van De Mark demonstrate the impact that words and imagery make when applied to places like the Emerald Mile in California's Redwood National and State Parks. SPONSORSDown River Raftopia April 6Down River EquipmentInstagramFacebook Rocky Talkie5 Watt Radio, WaterproofDiscount Code 10% off:  RIVERRADIUS10InstagramFacebookYoutube GUESTSKevin FedarkoInstagramFacebookDave Van De MarkVicki OzakiLeonel Arguello RESOURCESThe Emerald MileOutside Magazine Kevin Fedarko ArchivesWhen & How The Emerald Mile Came To Be A Critical Part of the Original Redwood National ParkLocal Photography Legend Who Helped Establish Redwood National and State Parks Sets Out to Complete His Life's WorkActivist and photographer DaveVandeMark treks to the upper reaches of Redwood Creek to  document how its conservation has impacted its ecological condition THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

Atmospheric Rivers are bands of water vapor in the sky, sometimes a few thousand miles long, bringing winter moisture to the west coast of North America and delivering it all the way to the Rocky Mountains. The Center for Western Weather and Water Extremes flies research planes above these storms all winter tracking the details and forecasting the coming storm and this episode hosts their director to learn about Atmospheric Rivers.   SPONSORSDown River EquipmentRaftopia 2024 Sales EventInstagramFacebookDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagramGUESTSMarty RalphCenter for Western Weather and Water ExtremesScripps Institution of OceanographyUniversity of California San DiegoAR short video (great graphic diagram) THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

American Whitewater published their Top 10 List of Stewardship issues in January 2024.  This is a mix of dam removal projects, legislation and policy pushes, Wild and Scenic options, all encompassed in the work from American Whitewater to keep rivers clean and accessible.  This episode is an interview the Kevin Colburn from American Whitewater learning about each river on this list and the positive end goals.  SPONSORSAED One Stop ShopOver It Raft Covers@overitraftcoversGUESTSAmerican Whitewater Website@americanwhitewaterFacebookAW Membership@kevincolburn42  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

The river guiding and river running world are sometimes perceived as idyllic and welcoming.  When is it something different?  Our guest today is an openly gay man, and he share's his story of working as a river guide and guide company manager for the past decade and how some of that is idyllic, and other parts are full of discrimination. SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan Dealers@nissanusawww.nissanusa.comAED ONE STOP SHOPVolume and Outfitter Discounts THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

EPISODE SPONSORSAED One-Stop ShopDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagramEPISODE GUESTSNicolas “Nico” Zegre, Associate Professor Forest HydrologyEmailMountain Hydrology LabWest Virginia UniversityInstagram ORGANIZATIONS FROM EPISODEFriends of the Cheat@cheatriverfriendsWV Rivers@wvriversHighland OutdoorsFacebook   River Management Society River Studies & Leadership Certificate@rivermgtsocietyClimate Central    @climatecentralCenter For Resilient CommunitiesEPISODE CO-HOSTDylan PenickRiver Company OutfittersInstagramTik Tok  THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteEmailInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

In the first episode of 2024, a commercial river guide tells his story of having a massive heart attack while guiding a trip in May of 2023 on the South Fork of the American River in California. This episode is recorded with an audience of river guides and outfitters. Beyond the story is the question of the role of AEDs in commercial river guiding.   SPONSORSAED One-Stop Shop Bulk Order DiscountCovered With Carrie website CONFERENCEAmerican Outdoors AssociationInstagram THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteEmailInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

There are numerous authors and media professionals doing work to explore river topics.  To close out the 2023 river and podcast year, this episode hosts two of the best.  Heather Hansman is an author writing books and magazine articles.  Teal Lehto, a.k.a., “Western Water Girl” is a social media content creator.  We talk through their respective crafts, leadership in river conservation and trending topics.  SPONSORSCovered with CarrieDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagram GUESTSHeather HansmanWebsiteInstagramLink TreeTeal LehtoInstagramTik Tok THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteEmailInstagramFacebookApple PodcastSpotifyLink Tree

The Klamath River 2nd episode. In the Spring of 2025, a group of teenagers from several Tribal Nations of the Klamath River Basin and greater region will descend the newly undammed Klamath River from source to sea. These teens began learning how to kayak in 2022 and 2023, began learning about river policy and fish science, and are bringing their family stories to the river with them. In the summer of 2023 The River Radius spent a week with these young paddlers on the water and on the microphone capturing their story. SPONSORSNRS LEAD ProgramNRS websiteNRS InstagramMighty Arrow FoundationVirga Foundation American Whitewater   @americanwhitewaterGUESTSStudents of PTWDanielle Frank, aka Ducky, Instagram, Vogue Magazine interviewRios To Rivers  InstagramPaddle Tribal WatersKlamath River Renewal Corporation, Ren BrownellFURTHER CONTENTUpper Klamath LakeKlamath RiverKlamath DamsFish KillStory Map: History of Klamath IrrigationKlamath River RenewalDam Removal NewsLA Times

After 100 years of dams stagnating the flows of the Klamath River and killing the Salmon runs, a group of teenagers from the tribal nations of the Klamath Basin will paddle the Klamath from source to sea to usher in the post-dam Klamath.  In this 1st of 2 episodes on the topic, the founders of Rios to Rivers & Paddle Tribal Waters explain how their own paddle experiences and time travel, brought the inception of this powerful passage. SPONSORSNRS  @nrswebMighty Arrow FoundationVirga Foundation American Whitewater   @americanwhitewaterGUESTSAisha Grae Wolf Wilson  Rios to River bioPaul Robert Wolf Wilson  Instagram  Rios to River bioWeston Boyles  Instagram  Instagram  Rios to River bioRios To Rivers  InstagramPaddle Tribal WatersFURTHER CONTENTUpper Klamath LakeKlamath RiverKlamath DamsFish KillStory Map: History of Klamath IrrigationKlamath River RenewalDam Removal NewsLA Times

Payson Kennedy at 39 was a career academic, and with his wife Aurelia had four kids, a house, and two cars in Atlanta.  After working on the stunt team for the film Deliverance in 1971 and a summer running a raft company, he and his wife decided to leave it all behind and with a good friend, started the Nantahala Outdoor Center.  Today, 50 years later, the Nantahala Outdoor Center is one of the most important and successful river guide operations and instruction schools in the river world.  SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagramOver it Raft CoversInstagramPromocode for free shipping:  riverradius GUESTSPayson KennedyInt'l Whitewater Hall of FameBooksNantahala Outdoor Center, NOCInstagramWikipediaHistory of NOC LINKSDeliveranceThe Flow StateZen and the Art of Motorcycle MaintenanceMihaly Csikszentmihalyi

Our 3rd Annual episode of "What is a River" comes to you from a plane flying above the flooded Yampa River Valley in northwest Colorado. In May 2023, River Radius host Sam Carter joined two geomorphologists and a hometown river guide to fly above the Yampa River when it peaked at 20,000 cfs. This flight and episode learns about the deep value of an un-dammed, free flowing river spreading its waters across the flood plains and pounding down deep sandstone canyons.  EPISODE IMAGE Kent Vertrees @powdercatkent(more info below)SPONSORSUse Promo Code: riverradiusNyce Kayaks@nycekayaksOver it Raft Covers@overitraftcovers GUESTSKim Lennberg@albawatershedconsulting       Alba Watershed ConsultingYampa River Scorecard ProjectKent Vertrees@powdercatkent     Steamboat PowdercatsMickey Means-Brous          @ecoflightEco Flight@friendsoftheyampFriends of the Yampa@americanriversAmerican Rivers@oars_raftingOARS RaftingRIVER RADIUS PODCAST @riverradiuspodcast WHAT IS A RIVER EPISODES20222021 

The Native Teen Guide in Training Program held its 12th year of training teenagers from various tribal nations how to work as river guides. This year was the first year that the guide staff for this program was all Indigenous. The River Radius joined the NTGIT program at the boat ramp, campground and river warehouse to hear this story.   SPONSORSNRS WebsiteLEAD ProgramPFDsNRS Duct Tape DiariesInstagramDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagram Nissan USAInstagram Nissan Worldwide  GUESTSNative Teen Guide In Training ProgramCanyonlands Field Institute websiteNTGIT Video on You TubeInstagramRIVER RADIUS PODCASTGiveaway Entry for Nyce KayakRiver Radius WebsiteInstagramFacebookEmail   

SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagramOver It Raft CoversInstagramPromo Code (free shipping):  riverradius GUESTSScott Armstrong with All OutdoorsScott Underwood with Mother Lode River Center Jann DormanRon StorkKeiko MertzStan DodsonAmy StroudColton JohnsonTim LaskoFriends of the River  EPISODE CONTENT RESOURCESThe Last River Lost EpisodeRestoring the Stanislaus River Cadillac Desert

SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan DealersInstagramOver It Raft CoversInstagramPromo Code (free shipping):  riverradius GUESTSDavid BrownBook for saleBook on Facebook:  The Whitewater Wars American Whitewater40th Gauley FestInstagramFacebook Animal Upper Gauley RaceAce Adventure Resort Dylan Pennick River Company OutfittersInstagramTik TokRiver Company Outfitter's: My Favorite River Podcast with David BrownPaddle West Virginia Shirt OTHER INFOGauley RiverGauley River National Recreation AreaSummersville DamWest Virginia 

EPISODE SPONSORSOver It Raft CoversPromo Code:  riverradiusWholesumPromo Code:  riverradius GUESTSMark DuboisKevin WolfRESOURCESThe Stanislaus River ArchiveRestoring the Stanislaus RiverTim PalmerTim Palmer's book:  Stanislaus: the Struggle for a RiverFriends of the RiverEpisode Cover Photo by Tim Palmer from the Stanislaus River Archive 

The South Platte River runs right through downtown Denver and as you might imagine, this river catches a lot of trash.  There are hordes of people who clean this river several times a year and have been doing so for 17 years.  Today this clean up is led by Protect Our Rivers, and the South Platte is lined up for a $350 million dollar upgrade.  This is a story of urban river people and the river they love.  SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan DealersWholesumPromo Code:  riverradius GUESTSProtect Our RiversFuture Clean UpsInstagramFacebook Down River EquipmentInstagramConfluence Kayak and SkiInstagramDenver Department of Transportation and InfrastructureInstagramOTHER CLEANUPSWill and Harriet's clean upThe ConfluencesInstagramAmerican Rivers National River Clean Up   

Have been using a groover this summer?  Have you cleaned one....or need to clean one?  This episode is a Re-issue of our "History of the Groover" episode from 2021.  For many overnight river trips, the groover has become as common a tool as the PFD.  Where did this groover come from, and why is a portable river toilet called a groover.  This episode finds the people who were there 50 years ago when the need for the groover emerged, and when the groover itself was created.  EPISODE SPONSORSSelway Fabrication WholesumPromo Code: RIVERRADIUSInstagramEPISODE GUESTSHelen HowardDesert River Kayak, Canoe and Float TubesJeff Ingram“Hijacking a River”“Lifetime Achievement Award”Steven Carothers“Steve Carothers”LuVerne Grussing“Guest Opinion: Congress must reauthorize Land and Water Conservation Fund”MORE CONTENT“Picking the Best River Toilet” from RiverBent.“They call me Groover Boy” by Kevin Fedarko, a story of carrying the groovers on commercial river trips in the Grand Canyon. “Your guide to the Groover” by OARS. THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteEmailFacebookInstagram      

While many river runners see Lake Powell and Glen Canyon Dam as the leading threat to the Colorado River overall and to the Grand Canyon, there is a voice that wants to keep Lake Powell in place and full of water. To understand this viewpoint and reasoning, this episode explores this topic with the BlueRibbon Coalition and Powellheadz. This episode is the companion to our recent publication of “Glen Canyon is Again Being Submerged Under Lake Powell.” EPISODE SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan DealersWholesumPromo code:  RIVERRADIUS EPISODE GUESTSBlueRibbon CoalitionWebsiteInstagramFill Lake Powell and Path to 3588'PowellheadzInstagramTikTok EXTRA CONTENT FROM THIS EPISODEHigh Flow Experiment National Park ServiceComments for 2023 Bureau of Reclamation High Flow Experiment (scroll down into the letters and look for BlueRibbon Coalition letterheadMandalorian / Star Wars at Lake PowellNavajo Generating StationClosure ArticleVideo of Smokestack Demolition

Is there a relationship between forest fire scars, floods and debris flows? This episode will explore  landscapes denuded by fire and these massive storms creating floods in the fire scar zone. Is this a normal pattern? A new pattern? Coincidence? And how does understanding this correlation further our relationship with these changing landscapes? This episode explores these questions and more through the tools of western science, personal narrative, and traditional ecological knowledge.SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan  Dealers Website & InstagramWholesum Website & Instagram & Facebook GUESTSBryan Maddox, author of A User's Guide to the Wild and Scenic Cache La Poudre RiverCamille Stevens-Rumann and Allison Rhea from the Colorado Forest Restoration Institute James Calabasa from Trees Water and PeopleShayna Jones (at the time of recording) Megan Maiolo-Heath from the Coalition for the Poudre River Watershed SUPPORTING INPUTDavid LaskyRob AddingtonKara Dohrenwend of Rim to Rim Restoration Daniel Lay from the US forest service ADDITIONAL RESOURCESNorthern Colorado Fireshed Wildfire Risk AssessmentVideo on the recent floods in Moab, UTArticle : Prioritizing Fuels Reduction for Water Supply ProtectionArticle : Fires Behave Differently in Different Forest Types

Glen Canyon was home to the flowing Colorado River until 1963 when Glen Canyon Dam closed its gates creating Lake Powell.  Over the past few years, water in Powell has dropped to levels not seen since the 1960s.  The River Radius went onto Lake Powell and up into the canyons to see what has returned in these canyons as they restore to their pre Powell eco-systems and to ask the questions of what is next for Powell and Glen Canyon.  Guests are the Glen Canyon Institute and Eric Balken.      SPONSORSDenver Area Nissan DealersWholesum GUESTSGlen Canyon InstituteInstagramFacebookFURTHER READINGEcon Report for Glen Canyon National Recreation AreaGlen Canyon National Recreation AreaGlen Canyon DamLake PowellLake Powell LevelsLake Powell Real Time and Historical DataColorado RiverColorado Compact 

An exploration of unions in river guiding. Why aren't they common? Why do some guides want them?  A guide forms a union. One outfitter assesses the viability of unions on multi-day rivers. A guide turned outfitter on the Ocoee River provides healthcare to her guides. A boater turned insurance agent teaches provides healthcare insurance to river guides.   EPISODE SPONSORS:Nissan Denver Area @nissanusaDolores Area BusinessesHigh Desert Life Outdoors @highdesert.lifeDolores Outfitters @doloresoutfittersKelly's Kitchen @kellskitchendoloresWild Edge Brewing Collective @wildedgebrewingDolores Food Market 2doloresfoodmarktDolores River Brewery @doloresriverbreweryMontezuma Mexican Restaurant @montezumamexican EPISODE GUESTS:Contributing Host Greg CairnsGreg's film websiteBC RimbeauxDustin Ahern @idahoriveradventuresIdaho River AdventuresSara Beth @oarafting   Outdoor Adventure RaftingCarrie Soulliere      On FacebookCovered with Carrie Article about Executive Order to Raise Federal Minimum Wage for Contract Workers 

As spring melt begins to fill rivers in the Western United States, the anticipation is high for big water runoff this season because of the long snowy winter.  The River Forecast Centers of the National Weather Service provide forecasting for river flows across the country.  This episode talks with the 3 of the Western Forecast Centers to learn about the snowpack and the coming river flows for spring of 2023.  EPISODE CONTENT LINKS13 River Forecast CentersColorado River Basin Forecast CenterCalifornia Nevada River Forecast CenterNorthwest River Forecast CenterNational Oceanic Administrative AssociationNational Weather ServiceUnited States Geologic Survey Streamflow DataLake Powell Info SPONSORSDenver Nissan Area DealersWebsiteInstagramDolores Area BusinessesHigh Desert Life OutdoorsDolores OutfittersKelly's KitchenWild Edge Brewing CollectiveDolores Food MarketDolores River BreweryMontezuma Mexican Restaurant 

Every year since 1984, American Rivers has released a report called America's Most Endangered Rivers. To be highlighted by this report, rivers must have significance to human and natural communities, face consequential threat, and have an upcoming major decision that the public can help influence. This episode is an interview with Sinjin Eberle and Amy Souers Kober on what makes this report an effective river conservation tool, the most endangered rivers of 2023, and tangible actions that we as listeners can do to engage with the most endangered rivers of 2023. GUESTS American RiversInstagramAmerica's Most Endangered Rivers of 2023StorymapAmy Souers KoberSinjin Eberle SPONSORDenver Area Nissan Dealers websiteInstagram

American Rivers celebrates its 50th Anniversary this year.  Founded in 1973, American Rivers is a national level river conservation organization.  To understand how they see the future of rivers, we interviewed their Executive Director to hear his story and what American Rivers is focusing on in the next few decades.  ADVERTISING SPONSORSNISSAN DENVER AREA DEALERSDOWN RIVER EQUIPMENTRAFTOPIA AT DOWNRIVER EQUIPMENT GUESTSTOM KIERNANAMERICAN RIVERSAMERICAN RIVERS MEMBERSHIP AND ENGAGEMENTINSTAGRAMFACEBOOK 

River corridors are the conduits of water and beauty.  And so many of us treasure our time there.  How do we best leave it untrammeled?  Two experts on River Leave No Trace (LNT) join me to talk through the LNT philosophy.  ADVERTISING SPONSORSAmerican WhitewaterInstagramDown River EquipmentInstagramRaftopia at Down River Equipment GUESTSColter PenceWilderness, Wild & Scenic Rivers, and Trails Program ManagerFlathead National ForestHungry Horse - Glacier View Ranger DistrictMacKenzie HolbrookColorado Mesa University Outdoor ProgramHuman Kinda SWRLNT    Leave No Trace

Is it true that lightning can't strike in the Grand Canyon? How far can lightning travel through water? If it does strike, where is the safest place to be? This episode explores lightning from scientific and risk management perspectives. Grounding theory through personal narratives and best practices, this episode is a tool for any river runner's stormy trips. ADVERTISING SPONSORSAmerican WhitewaterDown River EquipmentRaftopia at Down River Equipment GUESTSLAURA HARRIS JOHN BELZ, UNIVERSITY OF UTAHJohn Belz's Undergraduate Seminar Power Point (it loads but real slow, and its super cool)Video:  "ROCKET-TRIGGERED LIGHTNING" from University of Florida JOHN GOOKIN, NOLS, NOAAJohn Gookin's book, "LIGHTNING"John Gookin's research paper, "BACKCOUNTRY LIGHTNING RISK MANAGEMENT"John Gookin's NOAA Brochure RESOURCESLightning Safety Brochure: https://www.weather.gov/media/owlie/backcountry_lightning.pdf