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Our CEO Megan Bowen was a guest on Charles Gaudet's Predictable Profits podcast to talk about the outdated funnel and how to market in the AI era. From Predictable Profits: "If you're still trying to grow your business with traditional funnels and wondering why your capture, create, convert demand strategy isn't working, you're about to discover why those old-school tactics are completely dead. In this episode, I sit down with one of the very few people who actually gets it – Megan Bowen – and we dive deep into the evolution of buyer behavior from the analog buying era all the way through to where we are now in the AI era. We explore why 96% of the buying process now happens before prospects ever talk to your sales team, and Megan breaks down her game-changing framework that's helping B2B companies completely rethink how they approach demand generation. Trust me, you're going to want to have a pen and paper handy for this one because we're going beyond the surface-level funnel nonsense that everyone else is teaching.My guest today is Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, and she's someone I have tremendous respect for because she actually eats her own pudding. With over 20 years of experience building and scaling go-to-market teams across B2B industries – including companies that achieved IPOs and acquisitions – Megan co-founded Refine Labs in 2020 with a mission to completely change how B2B companies approach their go-to-market strategies. What I love about Megan is that her leadership philosophy isn't some theoretical framework from a business book – it's rooted in real-world experience as an individual contributor, people manager, and executive leader. She understands that without customers, you don't have a business, and she's laser-focused on creating the conditions for long-term relationships and meaningful results.KEY TAKEAWAYS:Volume-based funnel marketing fails because high-intent leads convert at 25% while low-intent leads convert at less than 1%Use “split the funnel analysis” to show the dramatic difference between lead quality and stop wasting budget on low-intent leadsBy 2030, nearly 100% of buying decisions happen before sales calls, making self-service information criticalPut pricing, social proof, and competitive advantages directly on your website to eliminate buyer frictionBrand marketing gets you into buyers' “day one consideration set” before they start searching for solutionsDark social is the invisible 6-12 month buying cycle where prospects research before visiting your websiteCreate content that actually solves buyer problems rather than just promoting your servicesTalk to your customers regularly to understand their evolving needs and grow beyond seven figures Growing your business is hard, but it doesn't have to be. In this podcast, we will be discussing top level strategies for both growing and expanding your business beyond seven figures.The show will feature a mix of pure content and expert interviews to present key concepts and fundamental topics in a variety of different formats. We believe that this format will enable our listeners to learn the most from the show, implement more in their businesses, and get real value out of the podcast. Enjoy the show.Please remember to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any future episodes. Your support and reviews are important and help us to grow and improve the show."

Megan Bowen hosts ChampionHQ's CEO Gianna Scorsone to cover Refine Labs' Brand, Demand, Expand strategy. They discuss how combining brand strength, creating demand, and expanding existing customer relationships can combat current market challenges, especially in the AI era. The conversation demystifies these pillars and offers practical, actionable insights into efficiently integrating them into a comprehensive marketing plan.Listeners are introduced to advanced concepts such as leveraging customer advocacy to enrich demand-generation efforts and using AI to enhance matchmaking between prospects and existing clients. With insights from real-world applications, Megan and Gianna elucidate why businesses must align sales and marketing strategies and adopt a proactive stance on expanding through advocacy. The duo also addresses the significance of correct budgeting, emphasizing that while demand often receives adequate funding, both brand and expand need stronger financial backing to foster long-term profitability and growth.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial #ctv #connectedtv______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Gianna ScorsoneConnect with the host:Megan Bowen

Called to Action is back with Liam Moroney of Storybook marketing to walk us through his journey as a marketer focused on brand and storytelling. He gives his history, philosophy, and advice on how to change your leadership's mindset. Liam draws from his extensive background in B2B marketing to share his experiences in navigating various industries, emphasizing the importance of moving from a 'growth at all costs' mindset to a more sustainable, brand-centric strategy. The conversation highlights key challenges faced by marketers in tech, especially in convincing stakeholders about the value of storytelling and brand awareness. Liam discusses how understanding the fundamentals of marketing and human behavior fosters better brand development and market reach. Stressing the significance of storytelling as a tool to improve brand recall and customer connection, Liam shares strategies for changing leadership mindsets resistant to traditional perceptions. This episode is rich with insights for marketers, challenging existing paradigms and encouraging more proactive approaches in achieving effective growth.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics #sales #marketingalignment #storytelling #brandmarketing______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Liam MoroneyConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the full recording, including previously unreleased Q&A from the live audience, of the final summer event. Dale presents a compelling case for revolutionizing how marketing investments are understood, measured, and communicated. This episode transforms complex financial details into digestible insights, revealing why relying solely on current period revenue versus cost fails to capture the true impact of marketing efforts.Within this conversation, critical topics emerge around the technicalities of accurately quantifying the "R" (Revenue) and "I" (Investment) in marketing ROI. Dale dissects how traditional methods often overlook time lags between marketing initiatives and realized revenue, especially in B2B environments where extended sales cycles are norm. Through detailed examples, the episode guides listeners on associating past marketing efforts with current revenue, emphasizing the significance of contribution margin and proper attribution of marketing expenses. The discourse further unveils the misconception that brand marketing takes time to produce results, illustrating its immediate and lasting impact, and how historical brand efforts inflate future ROIs.Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the hosts:Matt SciannellaDale Harrison

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the second part of the final event, and covers all of the specific calculations you need to know to accurately find your Marketing ROI. Dale presents a compelling case for revolutionizing how marketing investments are understood, measured, and communicated. This episode transforms complex financial details into digestible insights, revealing why relying solely on current period revenue versus cost fails to capture the true impact of marketing efforts.Within this conversation, critical topics emerge around the technicalities of accurately quantifying the "R" (Revenue) and "I" (Investment) in marketing ROI. Dale dissects how traditional methods often overlook time lags between marketing initiatives and realized revenue, especially in B2B environments where extended sales cycles are norm. Through detailed examples, the episode guides listeners on associating past marketing efforts with current revenue, emphasizing the significance of contribution margin and proper attribution of marketing expenses. The discourse further unveils the misconception that brand marketing takes time to produce results, illustrating its immediate and lasting impact, and how historical brand efforts inflate future ROIs.Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the hosts:Matt SciannellaDale Harrison

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the first part of the final event: covering where Marketing ROI fails, and digging into the problems with measuring Revenue. Dale and Matt get into the conventional approaches to calculating marketing ROI, highlighting their limitations and presenting a more comprehensive framework. The discussion sets the stage for a robust understanding of marketing's true impact on a business's financial health.Throughout the episode, Matt and Dale critique traditional metrics used by major platforms like Facebook, HubSpot, and Salesforce, arguing that these models fail to capture the real contributions of marketing efforts. They stress the importance of focusing on gross margins rather than revenue, and present a compelling argument for using contribution margin as a more accurate representation of marketing's ROI. The conversation also touches on the historical neglect of brand marketing in favor of performance marketing, particularly in the B2B sector, and the repercussions that this shift has had on long-term business value.Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ROI #return #investment______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the hosts:Matt SciannellaDale Harrison

Evan Hughes hosts Matt Sciannella, Aaron Weekes, and Kyle Taylor to discuss how to integrate Connected TV (CTV) into paid media strategies, particularly for B2B companies. With digital landscapes evolving, the conversation emphasizes the importance of leveraging CTV's unique opportunities for audience reach and targeted awareness. The experts provide a detailed discussion on how CTV not only complements traditional digital efforts but also stands out with its TV dominance, capturing audiences more effectively through non-skippable ads.Throughout the session, the guests dig into the practical aspects of launching a successful CTV campaign. They address the initial budget allocation, common challenges in creative production, and measurement techniques that align with long-term brand objectives. As discussions progress, they highlight the unique advantages CTV offers compared to traditional online advertising, particularly through LinkedIn's platform, citing notable cost efficiencies and advanced targeting capabilities. This conversation serves as a comprehensive guide for marketers aiming to harness CTV's potential in enhancing brand visibility and driving engagement within their target market segments.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial #ctv #connectedtv______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Matt SciannellaAaron WeekesKyle TaylorConnect with the hosts:Evan Hughes

From Dreamdata: "Things have changed over the last five years… and these are the core pillars you need to think about if you want to be successful as a company.Amidst intense budget scrutiny, disruptive AI, and failing lead-generation tactics, B2B marketers must overhaul their strategies to survive and grow by shifting focus from capturing existing demand to strategically creating it for the future.Speaking on a recent Attributed Podcast, Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, broke down the strategy that she believes is now essential for survival and growth.She argues that the "growth at all costs" era is definitively over, and in its place is a more sustainable, holistic go-to-market motion she calls the 'Brand. Demand. Expand.' framework. She explains the specifics of each pillar, including the key metric that makes brand performance measurable, a proven formula for reallocating ad spend, and strategies for turning existing customers into your best growth lever."

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the second part of the second event, digging into four different common arguments that CFOs make against brand, including: timing, budget, outdated beliefs about buyers, and misguided thoughts on company scope.  Check out our⁠ events page⁠ to register for the third event, happening live on August 21. Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on ⁠Spotify⁠ and ⁠YouTube⁠⁠Learn More About Refine Labs⁠⁠Sign Up For Our Newsletter⁠Connect with the hosts:⁠Matt Sciannella⁠⁠Dale Harrison

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the first part of the second event, digging into Measurement and ROI.  Throughout the conversation, Dale systematically demystifies common misconceptions surrounding brand marketing efforts, particularly in the B2B sector, highlighting why measuring brand ROI can be challenging yet essential. The discussion also uncovers how digital marketing's data-driven approach has changed traditional ROI expectations and how this shift has influenced financial executives' demands for precise outcomes.Check out our events page to register for the third episode, happening live on August 21. Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the hosts:Matt SciannellaDale Harrison

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Malin Wijenayake to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social on Reddit.This session focuses on the strategic importance of using Reddit ads for B2B marketing. As the digital marketing landscape evolves, they dig into why Reddit, often overlooked in B2B strategies, can be a powerful platform for reaching untapped segments. Evan highlights the shifting dynamics of Reddit discoverability with Google's data agreement, opening pathways for marketers to re-evaluate Reddit's role in their arsenal.Malin and Ciara discuss the intricacies of using Reddit for brand awareness and engagement in B2B strategies, considering the unique culture and demographics of the platform. Reddit's expansive subreddit structure offers marketers a vast yet specific landscape to target potential clients with precision. They emphasize crafting creative content that resonates with Reddit's audience, leveraging humor and relevancy to break through typical content fatigue. The episode navigates through essential elements like audience targeting, campaign objectives, creative strategies, and key performance indicators, presenting Reddit as a viable option for marketers willing to explore beyond conventional platformsEpisode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial #reddit #subreddit #redditmarketing______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ciara HopkinsMalin Wijenayake Connect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series about the intricacies of Brand and Performance in your full marketing strategy. In this first session, they cover:-The impact of brand and performance in marketing-How to integrate both pillars into your full strategy-Memory, task completion, and psychology of response-Optimizing budget allocation between brand and performance

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the third part of the first episode, covering budget allocation between brand and performance marketing. As Dale shares his expertise, he underscores the importance of understanding how consumer memory interacts with advertising and the long-term impacts on sales. He delivers actionable insights, particularly around the renowned 60:40 rule—a guideline suggesting that 60% of a marketing budget should focus on brand, while 40% should aim at performance-driven campaigns. Dale highlights the differences between B2B and B2C strategies, suggesting that certain industries may require shifting this balance based on their purchase cycles. He explores the dynamics of memory decay and its impact on brand effectiveness over long purchase cycles. With real-world examples, Dale breaks down how newer brands differ from mature ones in their approach to performance advertising.Check out our events page to register for the second episode, happening live on July 22. Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the hosts:Matt SciannellaDale Harrison

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the second part of the first episode, covering how brand and performance can work together as well as common mistakes and limitations of each.Dale emphasizes that brand ads should aim at building durable memory associations with future buyers, who represent a significant 95% of potential consumers not actively in market. He explains the importance of creating brief, impactful brand ads designed to refresh memories. He also highlights the unimodal nature of performance ads, designed to trigger immediate actions among the 5% of consumers in-market. He cautions against including multiple calls to action in any single performance ad to avoid cognitive overload and reduced effectiveness.Matt and Dale also cover the limits of performance ads in forming long-term brand memories and investigate how cognitive psychology plays a part in ad memory retention. They mention performance ads often lack impact due to generic offers, and share compelling insights into how rebranding can erase prior brand memories, highlighting the value of consistent brand assets over time.Tune in soon for part three of this enlightening episode.  Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the hosts:Matt SciannellaDale Harrison

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the first part of the first episode, covering why brand and performance are both important elements to consider in your overall B2B marketing strategy. They explore why companies must establish a presence in buyers' minds before they come into the market and highlight the cognitive differences between memory formation and responsive actions in marketing. Dale explains that 80-85% of B2B buyers have a pre-existing set of brands in mind before they even begin their purchasing journey, making brand recognition crucial. He also explains the science behind brand marketing that works to establish durable memory structures through distinctive brand assets like logos, mascots, and jingles, which create lasting emotional connections. Performance marketing, on the other hand, is focused on eliciting immediate actions from buyers, functioning best when informative and action-oriented.Tune in soon for part two of this enlightening episode.  Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the hosts:Matt SciannellaDale Harrison

Megan Bowen, Evan Hughes, and Ciara Hopkins host Jason Theroux to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and Facebook / Meta ads. This session focuses on utilizing Meta's platforms for creating brand awareness and improving engagement within the B2B sector. As businesses seek to meet their audiences where they reside online, marketing professionals can leverage the insights shared to refine their digital strategies. Dale shares actionable insights into audience targeting, the importance of consolidation, and effective use of third-party tools for better audience reach on Facebook. He and Ciara emphasize the use of creative content strategies, including carousel ads and video content, to captivate the audience's attention. Mastering Meta's intricate advertising tools means understanding each ad placement's value, avoiding low-quality impressions, and aligning campaign objectives with business goals.This episode also offers guidance on measuring campaign success through a hybrid attribution framework, addressing the challenges of tracking and conversion amidst privacy changes and algorithm updates. The dialogue supports businesses in balancing their marketing budgets optimally across channels, with Facebook serving as a valuable, cost-effective component in a diversified marketing mix.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial #meta #facebook #instagram______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ciara HopkinsJason TherouxConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

From GTM Live:This week on GTM Live, Carolyn sits down with Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, to unpack why so many B2B companies are pouring budget into paid media, and still missing revenue targets.They break down what's really going wrong: not too much paid media, but too much spend on a strategy that doesn't convert. Pipeline is down. Revenue is down. And yet, the response is often to spend more, not better.You'll hear why performance marketing often fails to deliver real outcomes, how misaligned KPIs drive bad decisions, and what separates newer, agile companies from legacy players still running outdated GTM playbooks.Megan shares insights from working with dozens of growth-stage companies and how leadership mindset, speed of iteration, and willingness to challenge old assumptions can make or break your demand strategy.If you've been trying to defend paid spend, or wondering why results are flat despite doing “all the right things”, this episode is for you.Key topics in this episode:Why paid media often fails to convert to pipeline or revenueThe difference between new-school and old-school GTM teamsWhy optimizing for MQLs leads to the wrong outcomesHow to rethink measurement for real demand captureWhat high-performing growth teams do differentlyThis episode is powered by ⁠⁠Passetto⁠⁠. We help high-growth and equity-backed companies turn GTM data into better decisions, faster. We unify your GTM and financial data, identify your growth levers, and help you scale. Part SaaS, part advisory. Visit ⁠⁠⁠passetto.com⁠⁠.

Megan Bowen and Matt Sciannella from Refine Labs, team up with Wynter's Peep Laja to discuss the importance of brand in B2B Marketing. They explore the nuances of brand visibility, drawing on their extensive experiences to highlight how foundational brand awareness has become in competitive markets. Exploring the intricate balance between brand and demand generation, the discussion underscores why brand perception and awareness can no longer be sidelined in favor of immediate revenue-driven tactics.They share actionable insights on overcoming common pitfalls associated with B2B brand marketing, from misconceptions about ROI to the undervaluation of sustained marketing efforts. Matt emphasizes the importance of setting the right expectations with leadership teams about brand-building timelines, while Peep advocates for consistent messaging and memorable brand experiences. They unpack strategies to measure brand success effectively, bridging the gap between qualitative insights and quantitative data, and underscore the fact that modern businesses must invest in their brand story to achieve meaningful, long-term market penetrationEpisode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Matt SciannellaPeep LajaConnect with the host:Megan Bowen

Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics #sales #marketingalignmentJason Theroux is on today to hammer home the crucial message to sales and marketing teams across the world: stop fighting for credit and start working together to support your organization holilstically. The conversation navigates through Jason's career path from sales roles to a significant marketing position, revealing critical insights into bridging the gap between sales and marketing teams. His experiences underscore the importance of collaboration over competition, highlighting strategies to align both functions for holistic business success.With over a decade of experience under his belt, Jason shares practical advice on fostering a unified marketing and sales team. Key themes from this episode include using technology to facilitate clear communication, implementing shared goals, and advocating for transparency and trust within teams. Jason underscores the role of leadership in establishing these cohesive practices, emphasizing that sales and marketing alignment can significantly enhance revenue generation and customer trust. Listeners gain insights into the potential changes in the marketing landscape, especially with emerging technologies such as AI, and how understanding these dynamics can better prepare teams for future challenges.______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Jason TherouxConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2bgrowth Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive back into Brand, Demand, Expand!Pipeline shouldn't be the only measurement tool you're using, each pillar of Brand, Demand, and Expand need to have their own detailed metrics. In this video newsletter companion, we break down what those measurement tools should be.

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Libby Schell to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and LinkedIn ads. They explore the robust targeting capabilities of LinkedIn, revealing how businesses can harness this platform to maximize brand awareness and demand generation, but also advise against common missteps when approaching this expensive platform.Ensuring effective B2B marketing involves understanding and leveraging LinkedIn as a powerful tool for precise targeting and audience engagement. The discussion covers essential strategies like audience segmentation through job titles and functions, optimizing campaign objectives for different outcomes, and the impact of localization on ad performance. Libby shares her decade-long expertise in platform evolution, advising on the merits of Reach vs. Engagement campaigns, and emphasizing the importance of dynamic UTM parameters for measuring success.As the conversation unfolds, Evan, Ciara, and Libby shed light on using advanced LinkedIn features like revenue attribution reporting and the company engagement tab. They dig into optimizing advertising spend and understanding the critical metrics that matter most for campaign success. Dive into this illuminating session to grasp comprehensive, actionable insights that can transform your approach to LinkedIn advertising.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ciara HopkinsLibby SchellConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2bWelcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive into Community and In Person Connection!

Refine Labs' General Manager Judy Sheriff is on today to walk through how and why you should implement Refine Labs' modern, tangible success metrics for your marketing team. Judy Sheriff shares her career story, starting with her entry into marketing in 2010, highlighting experiences with companies relying heavily on traditional metrics such as MQLs, and her eventual discovery of modern demand generation strategies. The conversation moves then into the critical juncture when she realized the necessity for change and her subsequent contributions at Refine Labs in guiding companies toward a comprehensive understanding of influence over direct tracking. Essential SEO keywords such as "B2B SaaS," "marketing measurement framework," and "demand generation" are explored throughout the episode.The episode also spotlights the impact of tools and strategies that have helped Judy develop successful frameworks in marketing. With Evan, they discuss the importance of simplifying dashboards and streamlining data processes for accurate measurement. Judy emphasizes the significance of aligning with sales and finance to drive effective change and discusses the potential over-reliance on AI in marketing. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Judy SheriffConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2bWelcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive into Brand, Demand, Expand!

From LevelUp Business: Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, joins JR Lay to break down how forward-thinking B2B brands can embrace change through adaptability, strategic reflection, and an evolved demand gen model. From redefining brand, demand, and expansion strategies to building internal change management discipline, this conversation offers a path forward to those ready to level up.

Last year we launched Maxwell: our "DemandGPT" chatbot in The Vault, but now we're unlocking the gate and letting him loose.  Head over to our website, fire off up to 10 questions, and get instant, free access to thousands of pages of expert content in seconds. It's super simple:➡️ Go to refinelabs.com➡️ Look for the blue chat icon in the bottom right corner➡️ Type your question and let Maxwell do the rest Whether you're troubleshooting, brainstorming, or looking for fresh ideas, The Vault is packed with actionable insights that can help you build and optimize your modern B2B marketing strategy. Head on over and let us know what Maxwell digs up for you!Last week's Paid Search B2B Roundtable is on YouTube and Spotify now!Ready for more insights from the team? Monday, May 19 at 12pm EST, Libby Schell is joining the Exec Team to walk through the LinkedIn Paid Social PlaybookRegister here. This week we wanted to feature Rayna van Beuzekom, Content & Creative Lead at Commsor, who recently completed a 48 hour networking marathon of almost 50 (!!) back to back calls. On every call they asked "what advice would you give to your younger self?" and created a  gem-filled montage of answers.  Check it out here, and let us know: if you had to give advice to your younger self, what would it be?  PS: Can you spot the Refine Labs face in the montage 

Megan Bowen and Evan Hughes host Ciara Hopkins and Dale Harper to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Search ads.The discussion starts by centering on the current state of paid search in 2025, focusing on it as an intent channel or demand capture channel. Megan emphasizes the need for B2B companies to adopt an optimal budget allocation strategy that leans more towards capturing high-intent demand rather than spreading thin over broad, low-intent keyword terms. Megan warns against overspending on Google Search and stresses the significance of efficiently using search budgets as part of a diversified channel strategy.Sharing slides from the Vault playbook, Ciara and Dale dig into strategies to maximize the effectiveness of Google Ads while minimizing waste. The discussion delves into the importance of structuring ad groups by themes for efficient insights and underscores the necessity of reassessing keywords to eliminate unproductive spending. Also highlighting emerging trends, this conversation provides tactical advice on leveraging conversion tracking, optimizing bidding methods, and refining ad copy to align with user intent and improve ROI. The experts also tackle nuanced topics such as the impact of competitor bidding and the evolving SERP landscape due to AI.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ciara HopkinsDale HarperConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we describe (and show in real time) a 3 step short form video strategy to dip your toes into the content pool!

Erik Jacobson, CEO of Hatch, joins Evan and Steph to talk about building an effective video first content strategy. As a pioneer in video-first content strategies, Erik shares his insights on the evolving landscape of B2B marketing, emphasizing the importance of adapting to changing consumer behaviors. He brings over a decade worth of actionable strategies for businesses looking to harness the power of video to enhance audience engagement and drive growth.Erik highlights the shift from audio-centric podcasts to video-first content as a means to boost visibility and engagement on platforms like YouTube and LinkedIn. He underscores the significance of sustainable content production processes, encouraging businesses to think of their content as "TV shows for their market." He also discusses the challenges and rewards of early adoption, urging companies to establish their presence in the podcasting space regardless of perceived saturation. Throughout the discussion, Erik provides practical advice for businesses of all sizes on how to effectively structure their content teams. He outlines the roles of the thought leader, content architect, and production team, emphasizing the importance of having a cohesive strategy to maximize impact. By leveraging platforms like Riverside and focusing on shorter, impactful content pieces, even resource-constrained businesses can make their mark. Erik encourages listeners to embrace change, prioritize authenticity, and tap into the incredible potential of video content in today's marketing landscape.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #videocontent #contentstrategy #youtube #video #podcast______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Erik JacobsonConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Libby Schell to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and LinkedIn ads. They explore the robust targeting capabilities of LinkedIn, revealing how businesses can harness this platform to maximize brand awareness and demand generation, but also advise against common missteps when approaching this expensive platform.Ensuring effective B2B marketing involves understanding and leveraging LinkedIn as a powerful tool for precise targeting and audience engagement. The discussion covers essential strategies like audience segmentation through job titles and functions, optimizing campaign objectives for different outcomes, and the impact of localization on ad performance. Libby shares her decade-long expertise in platform evolution, advising on the merits of Reach vs. Engagement campaigns, and emphasizing the importance of dynamic UTM parameters for measuring success.As the conversation unfolds, Evan, Ciara, and Libby shed light on using advanced LinkedIn features like revenue attribution reporting and the company engagement tab. They dig into optimizing advertising spend and understanding the critical metrics that matter most for campaign success. Dive into this illuminating session to grasp comprehensive, actionable insights that can transform your approach to LinkedIn advertising.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ciara HopkinsLibby SchellConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we ask: what are your pressing marketing questions that we can answer, and who do you go to when you need an expert?

Steve Voith, VP of Revenue Marketing at Kyriba, joins Evan and Steph to talk about his career journey in Demand Generation. Steve discusses his journey from a novice marketer to a seasoned professional, sharing critical insights into the evolution of demand generation and the significant impacts of various learning experiences throughout his professional life. As Steve dives deep into his career milestones, he emphasizes the importance of adaptability and leveraging technology to stay ahead in the fast-paced marketing industry.A pioneer of the Demand Gen title, Steve focuses on the technological advancements in CRM systems and how they redefined lead management and marketing strategies, as well as challenges and opportunities that come with being a demand generation leader in diverse environments, from working in-house to consulting with agencies. Steve highlights the changes in marketing technologies, the need for effective communication strategies, and the importance of using data to drive business decisionsEpisode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Steve VoithConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we ask: What communities are you part of as a marketer that help you connect and get support in this chaos landscape?

Garrett Ira, founder at Method, joins Evan and Steph to talk about his journey to becoming a Solopreneur - the successes, challenges, and everything in between. Garrett shares his unique experience of coming from an entrepreneurial family, which set the tone for his career in marketing. He talks about his transition from agency work to in-house roles, eventually leading him to launch his own company, Method. Garrett talks about the essential tools and community support structures that have helped him thrive as a solopreneur. The episode also addresses the emotional and strategic aspects of running a marketing-focused business, highlighting Garrett's practical business insights and lessons learned from past experiences. Through an open narrative, Garrett explains the significance of transparency, networking, and mastering the fundamentals. He emphasizes the importance of embracing financial acumen and identifying growth opportunities in the evolving landscape of marketing and business development.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #entrepreneurship #solopreneur #entrepreneur ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Garrett IraConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠Steph Crugnola⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we ask: Does a graph tell the whole story? Probably not. Take a step back and make sure you're showing the bigger picture. Check out Evan Hughes' LinkedIn post that I mention here.

*from Building with Buyers*Megan Bowen is CEO at Refine Labs. Refine Labs is a demand gen agency for growth stage and enterprise B2B SaaS companies. Also check out Ep. 78 "Hire For Customer Success, Not Customer Support."Here's what we cover:Brand, Demand, and ABM. What's your approach to client work;I'm exploring the role that customers play in helping startups build to the next round - how have you seen this play out with companies you work with;What's changed about how buyers buy today, and what's still the same;Customer research is core to the work I do with my clients - how do you handle customer research at Refine Labs;How are you using AI, and what's your take on where it's going;Early stage startups testing paid ads, what's your advice (HINT: it's an expensive experiment, you need at least $3M-5M ARR);What's the biggest challenge for companies you're working with right now;Megan asks me her burning question.Megan on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/meganwhitebowenRefine Labs: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.refinelabs.comFor more content, subscribe to Building With Buyers on Apple or Spotify or wherever you like to listen, and don't forget to leave a review if you're lovin' the show.Music by my talented daughter.Anna on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/annafurmanov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week is all about about niching down and clarifying landing pages, inspired by the Called to Action conversation with Tas Bober. Join me as I work to niche down my LinkedIn content and clarify our podcast 'about' section.

Tas Bober, Co-Founder of The Scroll Lab, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion focused on finding your niche in your career and on your landing page.  Tas starts by talking through her evolution from an aspiring writer to a digital marketing expert, propelled by her early career experiences. Stressing the influence of pivotal mentors and their often brutally honest advice, she walks through the process of finding a specific niche in landing page consultation. Tas candidly shares her insights on staying adaptable, networking's intrinsic value in marketing, and the importance of having a distinct perspective to stand out in a saturated market. Ultimately, her story is a testament to chasing authenticity and passion, serving as motivation for marketers to embrace change and innovation.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #landingpages #writing #ads #niche______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Tas BoberConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Welcome to a new weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week is all about ABM! Inspired by the recent B2B Marketing Roundtable, we sent out and are testing a template to narrow down ABM audience tiers, trying to solve for this audience's pain points, and focusing our podcast messaging.

Evan Hughes hosts Judy Sheriff, Ciara Hopkins, and Scott Schilling on this ABM deep dive.They cover:Defining ABM: All our hosts agree that ABM should be seen as a comprehensive alignment of marketing and sales strategies tailored to target specific accounts by understanding ICPs.Tools: Organizations don't always need expensive tools like Demandbase or 6sense to initiate ABM. Utilize existing CRM systems and focus on high-quality data analysis.Collaboration: Successful ABM demands alignment between executive leadership, sales, and marketing teams to ensure strategies are mutually reinforced across all channels.Measurement: Engagement metrics provide valuable insight, yet they must be clearly defined and agreed upon within the organization to effectively ascertain ABM success over time.While also taking audience questions, the hosts reinforce that without foundational alignment and clear objectives, ABM strategies will fail. It's vital to establish a realistic timeline, get full leadership buy-in, and have dedicated resources to guide strategic ABM initiatives in order for them to be successful. Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #advertising #ABM #roundtable #marketingexpert #accountbasedmarketing______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Judy SheriffCiara HopkinsScott SchillingConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

Welcome to a new weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week is all about experimentation, based on this week's episode of Called to Action featuring Canberk Beker.

Canberk Beker, founder of ROASted, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion focused on the importance of consistent and ambitious experimentation.  Canberk describes his shift from traditional B2C marketing to embracing experimental strategies, emphasizing the significance of pushing boundaries to foster growth.He shares is personal experiences and challenges in advocating for experimentation, especially within the constraints of B2B environments that often prioritize direct metrics like cost per lead over innovative tactics. Highlighted by the stark comparison between B2C and B2B methodologies, this episode delves deep into how his bold moves and risk-taking have led to groundbreaking strategies, such as successfully tapping into competitive keyword spaces and leveraging user-generated insights. As he recounts his various experiments, both successful and unsuccessful, Canberk stresses the critical role of data-and intuition-driven decisions, ultimately inspiring marketers to push past traditional limits to achieve significant breakthroughs in their campaigns.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #adcreative #creativity #ads #experimentation______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Canberk BekerConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Libby Schell, Refine Labs Demand Generation Manager, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about leading with empathy and humanity in ad creative.  Libby shares her unique path from a strategic communications graduate to a demand generation expert in the B2B SaaS domain. She focuses on how she has worked to balance creativity with marketing strategies to craft compelling ad content that resonates with audiences beyond cliche business jargon.She spotlights the importance of empathy and human-centric creativity in B2B marketing, examining how her artistic insights fuel her advertising and messaging tactics. To cap it off looking forward, Libby discusses some of the nuanced difference between AI and human creativity as we head into the future of marketing within the digital landscape. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation #adcreative #creativity #ads #empathy______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Libby SchellConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Megan Bowen and Evan Hughes host Ashley Lewin and Steph Crugnola in a roundtable discussion of how to create a sustainable, unique content strategy. They cover:Building a unique point of view in content strategy is crucial for differentiation and capturing audience attention.Consistency in content distribution helps build trust and establishes the brand as a credible source of information.Integrating different content formats (video, text, visuals) can effectively engage diverse audiences.Authenticity and humanized content resonate more with audiences than overly polished or curated posts.A well-developed strategic narrative, based on understanding big changes in the market, can align messaging across all company communications.In addition to valuable insights and questions from the live audience, Megan, Evan, Ashley and Steph share their personal strategies for keeping up with content production as well as the Refine Labs strategy. Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #advertising #content #roundtable #marketingexpert______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ashley LewinSteph CrugnolaConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

Sam Kuehnle, VP of Marketing at Loxo, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about taking on a leadership role in Demand Creation and how to make an impact.  The discussion focuses on evolving demand generation strategies, the interplay between lead generation and demand creation, and how Sam transitioned from agency work at Refine Labs to a leadership position. Throughout, Sam offers insights into planning effective marketing strategies in a rapidly changing digital landscape.The conversation begins by exploring Sam's marketing journey, from his foundational experiences in a family-run agency to working as an account development representative in SaaS, highlighting his shift from the predictable revenue model to a demand-focused approach inspired by Chris Walker. Sam also shares invaluable advice on stakeholder management, emphasizing the necessity of aligning marketing strategies with overarching business goals. He discusses methodologies for generating quick wins, such as optimizing Google Ads and refining audience targeting, providing practical insights into sustainable marketing practices. The episode concludes with forward-thinking strategies and preparing for the future of marketing, stressing the importance of adaptability and continuous learning.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Sam KuehnleConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

Ciara Hopkins, VP of Demand Generation  at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about leads: leads are not all created equal, and Ciara talks through why, and how to address it.  Ciara starts by talking through her journey, starting as an SDR constantly questioning the ‘why' behind instant calls and emails to new leads. She highlights the transformation she witnessed and became part of in marketing, moving from traditional lead gen to a demand gen approach.  As a marketer, Ciara emphasizes the crucial role of UTM tracking and high versus low intent categorization in driving marketing efficiency. She highlights the importance of understanding the entire customer journey by collaborating with sales and operational teams to enhance data integrity. She also breaks down the industry's shift toward recognizing the value of brand awareness efforts and the necessity of meaningful KPI development to measure these initiatives effectively. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #CRM  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest: Ciara Hopkins Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Megan Bowen and Evan Hughes host Ciara Hopkins in a roundtable discussion of paid ads, nailing down when is the right time to start investing.  They cover: Defining your ideal customer profile and target market Developing your strategic narrative Building a website that converts traffic into sales conversions Aligning Marketing and Sales In addition to valuable insights and questions from the live audience, Megan, Evan, and Ciara detail each of these milestones, how to get started with building up to them, and how to know when you've hit the right place to start investing money effectively into paid ads.  Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #advertising #paidads #roundtable #marketingexpert ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Ciara Hopkins Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Megan Bowen

Ashley Lewin, Senior Director of Demand Generation at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about attribution, and how to bridge the gap traditional software based attribution can leave in your understanding of your customers.  Ashley starts by breaking down each attribution model, including first touch, last touch, multi touch, and self reported, highlighting the strengths and gaps left by each. Then she breaks down the hybrid attribution model, walking through first steps on how to implement and utilize the data insights it can give. Ashley stresses the importance of viewing attribution as a compass to get you close to your destination, rather than a definitive answer, and how staying flexible and curious can help keep you better up to date with the rapidly changing landscape in marketing.  Episode topics: #marketing, #attribution, #demandgeneration, #selfreportedattribution, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #CRM  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Ashley Lewin Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Kerri Amodio, Director of Demand Generation at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion on why (and how) you should start ungating your content.  Kerri starts by explaining how lead generation tactics have become more and more outdated as the market and technology keeps growing and changing. She highlights the necessary shift that marketers need to make towards adopting a demand generation mindset and creating a consistent demand for products and services rather than just generating leads.  Kerri lays out several tactical strategies for effectively measuring and repurposing high-value content. She also stresses the growing importance of building trust and credibility with audiences by delivering authentic and ungated content—content that is open and accessible without barriers such as gated forms or sign-ups, thus fostering a more genuine relationship with the audience. Episode topics: #marketing, #content, #demandgeneration, #contentcreation, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #gatedcontent  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Kerri Amodio Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Aaron Weekes, Performance Marketing Manager at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion on the program he launched on his podcast to help job-seeking marketers work on their content and storytelling.  Aaron shares his personal story with finding himself looking for a new role, and how making connections through content helped him narrow down his search and eventually land his position at Refine Labs. He focuses on the storytelling aspect of marketing, and how generating consistent content on LinkedIn or other platforms can help prospective companies learn more about you before you even apply.  Episode topics: #marketing, #podcasting, #demandgeneration, #contentcreation, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #interview #jobsearch ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Aaron Weekes Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Megan Bowen, Refine Labs CEO, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for the premiere episode of Stacking Growth: Called to Action. On this season of Stacking Growth, we're featuring marketing leaders who've been called to make a change, and inviting them to share their journey - the highs, the lows, and everything in between.  Megan reflects on the major shifts happening in B2B SaaS companies right now, having moved from the “Growth At All Costs” mindset into a “Profitable, Efficient Growth” mindset as well as the transition through buying Eras from Analog to Website to Dark Social, and now into AI.  She talks about how Change Management is necessary for companies to succeed in moving into the modern era of marketing, especially midmarket enterprise organizations that have been operating successfully for a long time in the Website era. She outlines the crucial steps for navigating change management effectively: assessing reality, updating brand positioning, and phasing into new digital strategies, and how Refine Labs excels at facilitating this process.  Megan shares the darkest moments along her journey, how she was able to push through to grow stronger, and a message of hope in embracing your humanity to find your marketing superpowers.  Episode topics: #marketing, #changemanagement, #demandgeneration, #AI, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing __ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Megan Bowen Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola