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In this episode of The Produce Moms Podcast, host Lori Taylor welcomes back Karen White, Vice President of Marketing Operations at Grimmway Produce Group, for a conversation about the company's first-ever back-to-school baby carrot campaign. Karen shares how Grimmway approached the back-to-school consumer journey, the packaging and social activations behind the launch, and the early retailer and consumer response.
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Kelsie Dube, Director of Marketing Operations and Automation at Unanet.(00:00) - Intro (01:09) - In This Episode (05:31) - Why New Marketing Ops Leaders Should Audit Before They Act (10:09) - How to Run a Marketing Ops Audit When You Join a Company (16:04) - How to Balance a Full Audit Against Your Boss's Priorities (19:00) - How to Spot a Process Problem Disguised as a Tool Problem (23:41) - How to Surface Shadow Processes and Duplicate Tools in an Audit (31:08) - How to Choose a New Martech Tool With a Tiger Team of Power Users (35:30) - How to Turn a Marketing Ops Audit Into a Prioritized Roadmap (41:20) - How to Align Your Team on a Measurement Philosophy (44:22) - What Happens to Junior Marketing Ops When AI Eats the Entry-Level Work (49:26) - How to Turn Marketing Ops From Ticket-Takers Into Business Partners (52:40) - How to Use One Interview Question to Screen for Team Fit (56:57) - How a Marketing Ops Leader Decides What Deserves Her Energy Summary: Kelsie Dube joined Unanet and did the one thing most new ops leaders are too nervous to do: nothing, at least at first. In this episode she breaks down the 30-day audit she runs before changing a single tool, how she sorts 30-plus problems into big rocks, quick wins, and parked FY27 headaches, and why she'd rather build a "digital twin" to argue with than buy another platform. She gets into the tiger-team playbook that makes tool replacements actually stick, the measurement fight every team should have out loud, and what happens to junior marketers when AI eats the entry-level rung. It's a full field guide to walking into a new company and earning trust before you change anything, plus the interview question she uses to know if you'll thrive on her team.Kelsie's Marketing Operations Assessment Framework: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x3IJf9tHku4-fASS9AQE_F6sJ1FLK3PN/view?usp=sharingLiza Adam's Digital Twin: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/smartest-ai-teammate-youll-ever-build-liza-adams-c7rnc/About Kelsie DubeKelsie Dube is the Director of Marketing Operations and Automation at Unanet, where she joined in 2026 to rebuild the company's measurement and reporting foundation. Before that she spent 7 years at Sophos, climbing 5 roles from Marketing Operations Specialist to Director and leading the team through much of that run. She started her career in data entry, scrubbing lead lists and learning the VLOOKUPs she still uses most days, and that ground-floor view shapes how she thinks about the craft.Outside of work she's a mom of 2, an amateur basketball player, and a snowboarder who guards the hours between 5 and 7 for her kids.Why New Marketing Ops Leaders Should Audit Before They ActThe first 90 days at a new company come with a quiet dare. Ship something. Plant a flag. Prove they were right to hire you. Most new marketing ops leaders answer that dare by ripping out a tool they never liked and installing one they used at their last job, all inside the first 2 weeks.Kelsie did the opposite when she joined Unanet. Her first move was to change nothing.The reasoning was twofold. Without a real map of how work gets done, any change you make is a guess, and you'll probably aim it at the wrong target. And Unanet had said in the job description that they wanted someone who'd slow down and understand the business first, which is part of why she took the role. For a marketer who came up through ops and now leads it, that patience is the whole point. You have to understand what's happening well enough to be dangerous, she says, before you can tell anyone what to actually fix.The harder version of this is resisting your own experience. A new CMO walks in and wants a different marketing automation platform because they used one at the last company. Kelsie feels that pull too, since she's learning a few systems here for the first time. Her answer is to make the existing stack work before spending a dollar to replace it. Right now she's rebuilding how campaigns get captured and tagged to campaign members, and she's solving it with a Salesforce workflow or Power Automate instead of a purchase. Replacing the tool would cost more and probably solve less.Then comes the part nobody warns you about, the clock. Listening mode has a shelf life, and everyone, including you, is quietly counting the days until you produce something. Kelsie gave herself a hard deadline of 30 days to finish the audit, then engineered small wins into every week so the learning never looked like stalling. New hires have one thing veterans don't, an empty calendar, and she guarded it. A recurring block every Friday at 2:00 to turn that week's discoveries into something usable. One of those blocks became a 30-minute campaign taxonomy diagram she walked the leadership team through, a quick and visible proof that better structure meant better reporting down the line.The instinct to ship in week one is the most expensive habit in operations, because a fast fix aimed at the wrong problem still has to be undone later. The operators who compound value are the ones who can sit in not-knowing long enough to find the actual bottleneck.Key takeaway: Give yourself a fixed audit window, 30 days is a reasonable default, and block a standing hour each week to turn what you've learned into one small, visible win. Keep a running log of quick wins as you find them so you always have something to ship while the deeper work is still in progress.How to Run a Marketing Ops Audit When You Join a Company"Do an audit" is the most repeated and least defined phrase in marketing ops. Everyone nods along. Almost nobody can tell you what's actually in one, which funnel stages it covers, or where it starts on a Monday morning.Kelsie's version starts before day one. The moment she accepted the Unanet offer, she began mapping ownership lines: what marketing ops owns, what rev ops owns, what IT owns. She wrote out the questions she had and sent them to her leader ahead of her start date, partly out of genuine excitement and partly to get a head start on the RACI.From there it's a series of conversations that snowball. She interviews everyone from her own team to her peers to the level above to her business partners, and she ends every conversation the same way: who else should I talk to? The list never stops growing, but the patterns start to show. Along the way she confirms the systems in her swim lane against the job description, asks what she's missing, and books dedicated working sessions where someone walks her through a live task like a lead import. She records those sessions, then feeds the transcriptions to an LLM to pull out the patterns, a tip she picked up from a mentor that turns hours of shadowing into a usable roadmap.She also runs the work herself.Joining a much smaller team than she was used to, she asked people to hand her a lead import and a campaign creation task so she could run them personally. Part of it was capacity, since a director who can still execute is extra hands when the team is slammed. Part of it was fluency. As she says, a director isn't really a "do-rector," but being right there in the work is how you understand it well enough to change it later.Data privacy rides shotgun through all of this. Coming out of the cybersecurity world, she asks about data retention and opt-in policies early, then files them under "needs struct...
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!After nearly 250 episodes and more than five years of conversations, Ops Cast is signing off, at least in its current form.In this final episode, Michael Hartmann is joined by longtime co-hosts Mike Rizzo and Naomi Liu to look back at how Ops Cast began, how the Marketing Operations profession changed alongside it, and what they learned from hundreds of guests who shared their experiences, ideas, challenges, and careers with the community.Rather than focusing on technology, analytics, or another Marketing Ops framework, this conversation reflects on the people behind the profession. The hosts revisit episodes that tackled leadership, career development, mental health, parenthood, workplace pressures, and the personal realities that inevitably become part of professional life.In this episode, we discuss: How Ops Cast grew from an experiment in 2021 to nearly 250 episodes The conversations and guests that stayed with Michael, Mike, and Naomi Why understanding human psychology remains an important Marketing Ops skill Giving first-time podcast guests a platform to share their experiences and build confidence Some of the more personal conversations around parenthood, mental health, career challenges, and life outside work How remote work changed the separation between professional and personal life The growth of Marketing Ops, RevOps, and the wider operations community during the life of the podcast How the Marketing Ops podcast space expanded over the past five years What the hosts learned from CMOs and other executives about how they view Marketing Operations The episode is also a reminder of what made Ops Cast work in the first place: there was never one prescribed path into Marketing Operations or one correct way to approach the work. Across hundreds of conversations, guests brought different backgrounds and opinions while repeatedly returning to the importance of curiosity, authenticity, human connection, and learning from one another.While this marks the end of Ops Cast in its current form, the conversations, relationships, and community built around it continue.Thank you to every guest who shared their story, every person who helped produce the show, and everyone who listened over the years.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Kathleen Schaub, Author, Strategist, and Advisor in Marketing Management and Organizations.We cover:(00:00) - Intro (01:19) - In This Episode (04:45) - Why Marketing Behaves More Like Weather Than a Machine (08:49) - The Four Mindsets Marketing Leaders Need for Complex Markets (14:06) - Why ROI Doesn't Work as a Marketing Measurement (18:19) - What Causal AI Can Actually Tell You About Marketing (28:37) - Why Your Marketing Budget Works Like an Investment Portfolio (34:21) - What Marketers Should Actually Be Held Accountable For (38:49) - The Surrogation Trap Behind Single Marketing Metrics (44:09) - Why Marketing Managers Should Create Conditions Instead of Commands (50:00) - How Pace Layering Makes a Marketing Budget Adaptable (57:16) - How Intention Decides What Deserves Your Energy Summary: Marketing has spent a century pretending it's a machine you can feed cash and read like a receipt, and Kathleen Schaub is here to take that apart. She makes the case that markets behave more like weather than vending machines, walks through her 4 mindset shifts for leading in the chaos, and explains why a single north-star metric quietly wrecks your decisions. Along the way there's a butterfly in Brazil, a cucumber garden in Canada, a poker champion, and a COO who begged for the book on a cruise. If you've ever had to defend marketing ROI in a boardroom and felt the ground move under you, this conversation names what's really going on.About Kathleen SchaubKathleen Schaub is an author, strategist, and advisor focused on marketing management and organizations, working through KathleenSchaub.com. She spent 9 years leading IDC's CMO Advisory practice, where she advised hundreds of technology marketing leaders, and she's a longtime contributor to leading martech publications including CMSWire. Her work argues that markets are complex adaptive systems rather than predictable machines, and her book lays out 4 mindset shifts, investor, navigator, statistician, and ecologist, for leading marketing in a volatile world. These days she splits her time between writing, advising, passion projects, and being a grandmother of 2.Why Marketing Behaves More Like Weather Than a MachineEvery marketing leader has sat across from a finance executive who wants one thing. Put a dollar in, know what comes out. Budgets get built on that promise. Forecasts get defended on it. And every year, the results wander off somewhere the model never predicted.Kathleen has spent more than a decade explaining why that keeps happening. Her line is that marketing is not a vending machine. A vending machine is controllable and predictable. You put your money in, you press the button, you get the exact thing you chose. Executives, she says, would give almost anything for marketing to work that cleanly. Marketing never has.The weather comparison is a humbling one. We carry supercomputers in our pockets, we have decades of atmospheric data, and we still can't say for sure whether it'll rain tomorrow. Marketing runs on something messier than the atmosphere, which is people. Buyers, brands, influencers, partners, and the economy, all reacting to each other at once. Kathleen calls the result a complex system, the kind scientists study, where every interaction feeds back into the next and quietly introduces unknowns into every situation.That's the part most measurement frameworks skip over. Marketers, salespeople, and customer experience teams all work at the edge of the company, the seam where the controllable inside meets the uncontrollable outside. Their whole job is to manage, predict, and measure a world that refuses to hold still. No amount of dashboard polish changes the fact that half the inputs live outside the building.Kathleen keeps the parts of the old factory toolkit that still earn their place. The shift she wants is smaller and harder to swallow. Accept that markets are what the military calls VUCA, volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous, then adopt measurement practices built for that reality instead of pretending the reality is something tamer. The methods already exist. Other fields use them every day. Marketing just hasn't bothered to translate them yet.The uncomfortable implication is that a lot of the dashboards marketing teams present with total confidence are measuring a machine that was never really there. The teams that win the next decade will be the ones who stop apologizing for uncertainty and start building for it.Key takeaway: Audit your current reporting for any number you present as a guarantee. Rewrite each one as a range or a probability, and rehearse saying "here's what's likely and here's what could move it" before your next budget review. Present every forecast as a weather report, a set of ranges you can actually defend.The 4 Mindsets Marketing Leaders Need for Complex MarketsYou can buy a new attribution platform, restructure the team, bolt on a dozen dashboards, and still land exactly where you started. Kathleen thinks she knows why. You changed your operations without changing the thing that steers them, which is your mindset. She treats mindset as the director of every action a team takes. Leave it untouched, and every operational upgrade delivers roughly the same results you've always had.Her favorite way to explain this comes from Buddhism. Your mind is the ox, and the cart is everything the ox drags behind it, every outcome your marketing produces.The leverage is quieter than it looks. Change your mindset and the dozens of small decisions you make every day start bending, even slightly, and over enough decisions you end up miles from where the old direction would have taken you. That's why the mindset has to move first. The 4 she recommends all come from worlds that are genuinely volatile and complex, but they're worlds anyone can picture, and each one maps onto something marketing leaders already wrestle with.Investor: stop treating the budget like a cost center you spend down, and start treating it like a portfolio you risk for a better future return., Navigator: change the relationship between your plan and your measurement, adapting like a pilot or a sailor who reads the conditions in front of them instead of clinging to the route., Statistician: give up the hunt for certainty and accept that everything in the human and natural world runs on probability. Kathleen calls this the hardest of the 4 because our brains hate it., Ecologist: manage the conditions people work in, because behavior arises from the intersection of an individual and the context around them, so managing the person by themselves only covers half of it.Read them together and a pattern shows up. Every one asks you to trade the illusion of control for the ability to adapt. That trade is where most transformation efforts quietly die, because swapping tools is easy and swapping beliefs is not.Key takeaway: Before you approve the next platform or reorg, write down the belief driving it in one sentence. If that belief still assumes marketing is predictable and controllable, fix the belief before you spend the money. Pick one of the 4 mindsets and name the single daily decision it would change for you this quarter.Why ROI Doesn't Work as a Marketing MeasurementAsk a room of marketers what keeps them up at night and ROI lands near the top every time. It's the question waiting in every board meeting. What drove revenue last month, and how much will this next bet add? Kathleen has been chasing that question longer than most. Running IDC's CMO advisory practice for 9 years, she kept asking leaders whether they were actually getting ...
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!AI is changing how people search for information, evaluate options, and make buying decisions. But what happens when customers stop searching for information themselves and start asking AI to solve the problem for them?In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann is joined by Len Ward, Managing Partner and Head of AI at Commexis, to discuss the shift from a traditional “search and retrieve” model to a “solve my problem” model and what it could mean for Marketing Operations.Drawing on more than two decades of experience across traditional marketing, digital, analytics, and AI, Len explains why the rise of LLMs could challenge long-standing assumptions about websites, SEO, content, lead generation, and the customer journey.In this episode, we discuss:How Commexis evolved from traditional and digital marketing into analytics and AI What the shift from “search and retrieve” to “solve my problem” means for marketers How LLMs could change the role of websites, content, SEO, and owned channels Why traditional search and lead-generation models may come under increasing pressure Len's prediction about Google and what declining search dependence could mean for marketers What organizations should consider building as traditional acquisition models change How agent-to-agent marketing could reshape the way buyers and companies interactWhat Marketing Ops leaders should prioritize over the next 12 to 18 months The conversation also explores a much bigger question for Marketing Operations. If AI increasingly handles research, comparison, and decision support for customers, how should companies rethink the systems and processes they have spent years building around the traditional buyer journey?For Marketing Ops and RevOps leaders trying to prepare for what comes next without chasing every new AI development, this episode offers a thought-provoking look at where AI may have its biggest impact and why the goal should be solving customer problems better, not simply doing existing work faster.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Sharon Gai, author, keynote speaker, and educator.We'll cover:(00:00) - Intro (01:21) - In This Episode (05:20) - How AI Moves Marketing Creativity Up the Abstraction Layer (09:08) - Why Taste Is No Longer a Durable Human Skill (15:33) - What Human Work Looks Like After AI Learns Taste (20:41) - How to Codify Taste Into Your AI Systems (27:20) - Why Hands-On Execution Still Builds Judgment AI Can't Copy (36:48) - How to Build a Personal AI Strategy and Learn How to Learn (39:31) - Why Seeing Your Job as Tasks Rather Than a Role Future-Proofs Your Career (48:12) - Why You Should Tinker With AI Before You Cut Back on Meetings (54:13) - How Students Can Adapt to Graduating Into an AI Economy (01:02:13) - How to Decide What Deserves Your Energy Summary: Sharon Gai wrote a book telling everyone that taste and judgment were the durable human skills AI couldn't touch, then went on record to take half of it back. In this episode she walks through why taste is now codifiable, why originality still belongs to humans, and how she pulled a McKinsey-grade deck out of Claude by feeding it her own best work. We get into the lost generation of junior executors, the beekeeper mindset that separates orchestrators from busy bees, and a token-maxing hot pot dinner that made her swear off wasting agents. She even hands over a deathbed test for deciding what deserves your energy. If you've ever wondered which of your skills actually survive the next few years, this one is a map.About Sharon GaiSharon Gai is an author, keynote speaker, and educator who helps professionals future-proof their careers in an AI-driven economy. She teaches on Maven and speaks to audiences around the world about how AI is reshaping creativity, work, and the roles people play inside their companies. Her latest book uses the image of busy bees and beekeepers to argue that the future belongs to the people who orchestrate AI rather than execute every task themselves.Before writing and speaking full time, she spent years in enterprise tech, starting out helping IT directors and CIOs build data centers at the dawn of the cloud era. That hands-on background shows up throughout her work, especially in how she thinks about the difference between doing the work and orchestrating it.How AI Moves Marketing Creativity Up the Abstraction LayerWhen cameras got cheap, painters thought they were finished. Why spend weeks rendering a face in oil when a machine could capture it in a fraction of a second? Plenty of people called photography mechanical, soulless, artless. The threat was real, and the outcome was stranger than anyone expected. Freed from copying the world exactly, painters walked through a door cameras couldn't follow, into Impressionism, Cubism, and everything that made modern art feel alien at first. Sharon sees the same door swinging open for marketers right now, and the word she keeps returning to is abstraction.Walk through any art museum and you can watch this happen on the walls. The 1800s rooms are full of precision: portraits rendered to the eyelash, battle scenes with every horse in place, oceans and landscapes you could almost step into. Then you reach the modern wing, and some people stop and say "I could have done that." The work got harder to read. You have to stand there a moment, wonder who the artist was and why they picked this particular black over a lesser one. The craft survived by climbing a level, from rendering reality to deciding what the piece should mean.Sharon's marketing version is concrete. A few years ago you drew up a Facebook ad yourself, designed the banner, and loaded it into the platform's back end by hand. Now that whole chain can run on its own. So what does the marketer actually do? The real decisions look different now. You choose whether to test one ad or several hundred, each personalized to the person about to see it, whether the creative should be a flat image or a video, and if it's video, what belongs on screen. The manual work shrinks and the number of real decisions explodes. That's the abstracted layer, and it's where the job is heading whether marketers are ready or not.Over the next 2 years, the marketers who struggle will be the ones who still measure their worth by the execution those tools just swallowed.Key takeaway: Write down every part of your last campaign that was pure execution: building the banner, resizing creative, loading it into the platform, pulling the report. Hand those tasks to AI on your next campaign and pour the reclaimed hours into the layer above them. Decide which audiences, how many variants, what format each one takes, and what the creative is actually trying to make someone feel.Why Taste Is No Longer a Durable Human SkillFor about a year, the safe career advice sounded identical everywhere. Let AI do the work, but hold onto taste and judgment, because those are the human skills a machine can't reach. Tech CEOs repeated it on every stage. Sharon believed it too, and wrote it into her book. A few months later she started taking half of it back.Her reasoning is uncomfortable if you've built a career on your eye. What is taste, really? For an expert artist it's roughly 10,000 hours of seeing the bad versions and the good versions until they can tell the difference on sight. That makes the taste expert something close to a mini LLM, a person pummeled with enough examples to develop a reliable read on quality. And if taste is just a very large training set, there's no obvious reason you can't hand those examples to a model.Sharon is careful about where she draws the new line. In AI time, she points out, a single day can feel like a year, so any strong opinion has a short shelf life. She'll grant that judgment might still belong to humans, but taste she no longer counts in that column. Her position in June of 2026 is that taste is codifiable, and that alone knocks it off the list of things only people can do.Where Originality Still Separates Humans From AIShe used to open talks with a slide that read: creativity does not equal originality. The words sound like twins, and they describe 2 different things. AI can be creative. It can paint in an impressionist style and produce something that would look at home in a modern gallery. Originality means something genuinely novel, something that hasn't appeared anywhere before, and everything a model makes was pre-trained on what already exists.The gap shows up most clearly in how humans move between domains. Narrow AI, the kind we mostly use today, is trained on one field. General intelligence takes a principle from physics class and applies it to biology, or borrows something from construction and uses it while cooking. People do this instinctively from childhood. Machines still struggle with the leap, which is why originality, for now, stays on the human side of the ledger even as taste crosses over.If taste is now a training asset, the marketers still selling "good taste" as their moat are pricing a skill the market is about to commoditize.Key takeaway: Stop treating your taste as something locked inside your head. Start capturing it instead. Save the emails, decks, and campaigns you consider excellent right next to the weak ones, label what makes each good or bad, and feed both to your AI tools so the model learns your specific standard rather than a generic one.What Human Work Looks Like After AI Learns TasteEvery few months someone publishes a confident map of what work looks like in 2030. Ask Sharon and she starts by lowering the temperature. Most of it is prediction, and prediction is ch...
How can marketing teams in the life science vertical show up stronger online and drive higher organic visibility for their organizations? Operating in a heavily-regulated industry where market competition is intense, many life science marketing teams stay quite busy, yet their pipelines are quiet, hampering long-term business growth? How can life science leaders bridge this gap and turn things around?That's why we're talking to Lauren Schafer (Founder, Lake House Digital Media), who shares proven ways to build life sciences buyer trust for predictable growth. In this episode, Lauren discussed the high-impact strategies for building deep authority and trust in the life science industry. She highlighted the value of uncovering specific client pain points and tailoring marketing approaches without being too generic. Lauren also stressed the significance of LinkedIn for B2B marketing, noting that decision-makers often conduct independent vendor research on the platform. She advised maintaining an up-to-date profile, using background banners effectively, and how you can be active and responsive on the platform. Lauren also emphasized the value of providing transparent marketing analytics dashboards to demonstrate accountability and ROI, essential for leadership buy-in.
Erin Meyer, Senior Vice President of Marketing Operations; Mary Bennett, Senior Director of Content Marketing; Jason Cassel, Director of Marketing; and Alex Lewandowski, Marketing Coordinator, of EDRM Trusted Partner HaystackID, sit down with EDRM's Mary Mack and Holley Robinson. In this episode, the team returns to the Illumination Zone to share how their AI tools and workflows have evolved. They walk through their three-part design specification for working across Claude, ChatGPT, and other LLMs; how they turn competing models loose on each other to critique and quality-check their work; and where human judgment still has the final word. The conversation also distinguishes prompt writing from framework building, looks at how the team pushes AI-generated design past generic defaults, and covers how quality control now accounts for copyright and AI-assistance disclosures. We ended with each team member naming their ride-or-die LLM.
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Michele Martin, Senior Director of Global Brand and Integrated Marketing at Ticketmaster.Summary: Most career advice still hands you a ladder and tells you to climb. Michele makes the case for a lattice instead, the crisscross path of sideways and diagonal moves that built her range across banking, retail, a startup, and now Ticketmaster. Along the way she breaks down why the call center job she almost refused changed everything, how mentorship and sponsorship are 2 different engines, and why communication beats coding as the skill that survives the AI era. She even walks through what a genuinely good AI session looks like on her marketing team. If you've ever felt boxed in by the straight climb up, this one rewires how you think about your next move.About Michele MartinMichele Martin is the Senior Director of Global Brand and Integrated Marketing at Ticketmaster, where she leads brand strategy and ties together the channels that reach fans across sports, music, and the arts. Her career is a working example of the lattice she advocates: 11 years at TD Bank moving through corporate sponsorships, communications, a contact center, and sales strategy, then brand and customer roles at L.L.Bean and a stretch at a growth-stage startup.A first-generation college graduate, she builds communities everywhere she lands, from the Kind/Red marketing collective to Live Nation Women. She's also an avid traveler, an amateur golfer, and a self-described nonfiction reader who gets her fiction through Netflix and TikTok.What A Lattice Career Means And Why It Beats The LadderMost career advice still runs on a single image: the ladder. You start as a specialist, become a manager, then a senior manager, then a director, then a VP, climbing one predictable rung at a time. It's clean, it's legible on a resume, and it quietly convinces a lot of good marketers that any move which isn't straight up is a step backward. Michele has spent 2 decades proving the opposite, and she has a better picture in mind.Walk into any hardware store and find the fencing section. The lattice is that crisscross panel of wood, the one you'd nail under a porch for a little privacy. That shape is the whole philosophy. A lattice career moves diagonally, sideways, sometimes down for a stretch, and then back up from a completely different position than where you started.The freedom in that reframe is the part people miss. When you stop treating vertical promotion as the only valid direction, you give yourself permission to chase the work you're actually curious about. You might take a role that pays the same and reports to the same level because it teaches you something your current lane never will. A year later that detour is the reason you can do a job nobody on the straight-up track is qualified for. The lattice isn't a slower ladder. It's a wider map of where a career can go.The marketers who'll be hardest to replace over the next decade are the ones who collected range on purpose, because range is the thing no single promotion can hand you.Key takeaway: Stop scoring every potential move by whether the title goes up. Draw your own version of the lattice instead: list the 3 skills or domains you most want to understand, then look for roles that hand you those, even laterally. The diagonal move you resist now is usually the one that makes you uncopyable in 5 years.How To Decide If A Sideways Career Move Is Worth ItEvery marketer has a moment where someone dangles a role that feels wrong. Wrong department, wrong direction, wrong vibe for the brand you're trying to build for yourself. The instinct is to protect the climb and say no. Michele almost did exactly that, and the role she nearly turned down ended up shaping everything that came after.She spent 11 years at TD Bank, a place that treated career growth as a contact sport. The internal logic there was simple: if you want to grow, try a little bit of everything, because that's how you actually learn how the business makes money and how decisions land on customers and employees. So when a contact center role came up, it fit the bank's culture even though it terrified her. She'd never pictured herself there. She didn't know what the work even was beyond the frontline.What tipped her over was a mentor named Matt Chevalier, who passed away young and whose advice she still repeats. He'd watched her get comfortable, and comfort was the thing he refused to let slide. His argument wasn't that her current job was bad. It was that she'd convinced herself the fun she was having couldn't exist anywhere else, and that staying put meant never testing herself in the ways a harder room would. That landed.Inside the contact center she learned phone systems, quality programs, and the guts of customer technology she'd never have seen from a marketing desk. The next jump, onto a sales strategy team, was scarier still, because now she was building an incentive platform alongside genuinely technical people while feeling like she knew nothing. The relief came from a small realization that's stuck with her since. If you can explain a complicated system in plain words, you actually understand it.The roles people resist hardest tend to be the ones carrying the steepest learning curve, which is exactly why avoiding them keeps so many careers thin.Key takeaway: The next time a role feels like a sideways or scary move, separate the fear from the data. Ask what specific skill or exposure it would hand you that your current seat never will. If the honest answer is "a lot," treat the discomfort as a signal you've found a real growth edge, not a reason to pass.Why Integrated Marketing Is A General Contractor RoleMarketing invents job titles faster than anyone can define them, and "brand and integrated marketing" is one of those phrases that means something different at every company. At Ticketmaster, Michele uses a metaphor that finally makes the term concrete. Integrated marketing is the general contractor of a campaign.Think about what a general contractor actually does on a build. They don't pour every foundation or wire every outlet themselves, but they understand each trade well enough to know when something's off, and they're the one person responsible for making all of it connect into a house someone can live in. That's the role. You need real fluency across the components of a campaign, whether that's CRM, paid media, organic, or social, and then you need the rarer skill of wiring those parts together.Here's where the lattice pays off in a way no straight-line career could. Because Michele spent years jumping into unfamiliar functions and learning new technology on the fly, she walks into an integrated role already understanding most of the trades she's coordinating. That changes the quality of the work. Without that range, the job quietly degrades into project management, chasing status updates and herding stakeholders. With it, she comes to the table with a real point of view on every channel because she's actually done the work in them.The integrated marketer who can only schedule the trades gets treated like overhead, while the one who understands the trades gets treated like a leader, and the difference is almost always hands-on range.Integrated Marketing Versus Omnichannel MarketingPeople lump integrated marketing and omnichannel together constantly, and Michele doesn't fight that too hard. Where she sits, the 2 work almost the same way. The job starts with a business challenge for a given category, then asks how marketing can support it, then defines a single concept grounded in data and fan insight. Only after that does the work fan out to the channels.The discipline is in what stays constant ...
We often treat macroeconomics and B2B marketing as two completely separate ecosystems that function on entirely different levels and scale. However, if you look closer at the underlying factors such as silos, transactional friction, supply chain bottlenecks, and trust gaps, you'll realise how striking the parallels are. Have you ever considered how high-level macroeconomic policies actually mirror the daily execution battles fought within B2B marketing departments? How can B2B leaders extract these macro-level insights to solve operational challenges, streamline campaign execution, build market authority, and generate better results?In this solo episode, Christian Klepp (Host of the B2B Marketers on a Mission Podcast) shared his core strategic takeaways from the Rebuilding Alliances / Reconstruire des alliances event in Toronto. He translated complex macroeconomic frameworks into actionable strategies for B2B marketing teams. Christian talked about the importance of removing internal silos to drive cross-functional collaboration, eliminating buyer friction throughout the sales funnel, and create strategic co-marketing partnerships. He also elaborated on treating data like an organisation's “critical minerals” and how to leverage internal subject matter experts (SMEs) to establish greater industry credibility. Finally, Christian stressed the value of employer branding in talent acquisition, and why building organisational trust while defending the marketing mandate is critical.This episode was sponsored by the Economic Club of Canada.
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Amanda Natividad, Chief Evangelist at SparkToro and co-author of Zero Click Marketing.We'll cover:(00:00) - Intro (01:14) - In This Episode (06:37) - Why Attribution Breaks Down in a Zero Click World (16:09) - What the Alligator Graph Means for Ops Teams (22:46) - How to Run a Zero Click Launch Week You Can Actually Measure (32:35) - How Incrementality Testing Works at Enterprise Scale (38:09) - What Audience Listening Adds to the Marketing Ops Stack (42:50) - What Content Leaders Need From Marketing Ops (47:59) - How to Turn Audience Research Into an Operational System (52:00) - How AI Visibility Changes Zero Click Marketing (58:36) - Setting Boundaries to Protect Your Energy and Focus Summary: zero click marketing won the strategy war, and now nobody can prove it's working. Amanda has spent over a decade building marketing that lives where the audience already is, and in this episode she takes apart the measurement crisis that creates. We get into why your attribution dashboard is quietly lying to you, how a viral story about HubSpot losing 80% of its organic traffic actually hid record revenue, and what a 25 million dollar ad blackout taught Dropbox about the gap between credit and cause. She also shows how to turn audience research into an operational system and why winning AI visibility comes down to writing genuinely good stuff. Stick around for the launch-week playbook and the overslept-webinar story that completely reframes how she guards her time.About Amanda NatividadAmanda Natividad is the Chief Evangelist at SparkToro, the audience research startup, and the founder of Zero Click Marketing, a podcast and consultancy built around the framework she co-created with Rand Fishkin in 2022. She spent 4 and a half years as SparkToro's VP of Marketing, where she launched a newsletter that reaches more than 60,000 subscribers at a 35% open rate and built Office Hours, a webinar series that pulls as many as 1,200 registrants a show.She's keynoted at AdWorld, Content Marketing World, and MozCon, and guest lectured at Columbia, Cornell, and Stanford. A Le Cordon Bleu-trained chef and former journalist, she now teaches Content Marketing 201 on Maven.Why Attribution Breaks Down in a Zero Click WorldEvery marketing ops team runs on a dashboard that hands out credit. This lead came from paid search. That demo came from a LinkedIn ad. This signup traces back to the nurture email. The numbers look authoritative, and leadership treats them that way. The trouble is the data underneath has been eroding for years, and most teams still read the output like scripture.Amanda has spent more than a decade building marketing programs that don't depend on the click. Her take on measurement starts from an uncomfortable place. Attribution was never as precise as the industry sold it, and every year it gets less precise.4 separate forces have chipped away at what attribution can actually see, and they stack on top of each other.Third-party cookies barely function. Only about 30% of users accept them, and Safari rejects them by default., Ad blockers hide a huge share of traffic. Somewhere between 20 and 60% of people run one, and among tech-savvy B2B audiences that number climbs toward 60%., The multi-device journey is untrackable pre-login. People average 3.6 devices each, so stitching a single human across all of them is mostly guesswork., Privacy regulation makes persistent tracking impractical. GDPR, CCPA, and LGPD mean what's legal in the US often isn't legal anywhere else, a real burden for any team with a global audience.None of this means you rip attribution out of the stack. In a mature organization it's already there, already wired into the reports leadership reads, so ignoring it would be its own kind of malpractice. The shift Amanda argues for is one of posture. Go in knowing exactly where the model goes blind, then ask the more useful question of what you can measure next to fill the gaps. That's where incrementality, media mix modeling, geo-testing, and holdout tests start to earn their place. The teams that keep their budgets in a down market are the ones who stopped presenting attribution as ground truth and started presenting it as one flawed witness among several. A single confident number is easy to attack. A converging set of imperfect signals is much harder to argue with.Key takeaway: Audit where your attribution model goes blind before your next leadership review. Write down how much of your traffic Safari blocks, how many of your B2B visitors run ad blockers, and how many touchpoints happen before anyone logs in. Bring that context into the room so a drop in tracked conversions reads as a gap in measurement, not a failure in marketing.Why Dark Social Traffic Shows Up as DirectOpen Google Analytics on any given week and a fat slice of your traffic sits in a bucket labeled direct. The polite interpretation is that all those people typed your URL straight into the address bar. Almost none of them did. Most of that direct traffic is dark social, the shares that happen inside messaging apps and closed platforms where the referral information never makes it back to you.SparkToro put real numbers on it. About 2 years ago the team ran an experiment, sending more than 1,100 visits across 11 social networks and then checking what Google Analytics reported. For TikTok, Slack, Discord, WhatsApp, and Mastodon, every single visit landed in direct.Amanda has a theory about why, and it follows the money. The platforms can see the organic referral string. They keep it invisible, because the moment you pay to join their ad network, that traffic suddenly becomes visible and measurable. Organic reach stays in the dark so paid reach looks like the only reach worth buying. And it goes well past the obvious suspects. Facebook Messenger strips the referral about 75% of the time, Instagram DMs about 30%, and even LinkedIn hides it roughly 14% of the time. A share is a share whether it happens in a feed or a private message, but only some of them ever get counted.The practical lesson for an ops team is to stop treating the direct channel as a junk drawer. When word of mouth and private sharing drive a real share of pipeline, a measurement model that files all of it under direct is quietly erasing your best-performing channel. The brands that figure this out start asking where conversations about them actually happen, instead of waiting for a clean UTM that the platform was never going to hand over.Key takeaway: Run your own dark social test before you trust the direct bucket. Push a known batch of clicks through TikTok, Slack, and a few DM channels, then watch how your analytics file them. Use the gap to set expectations with leadership, and lean on post-purchase survey questions like "where did you first hear about us" to recover the attribution the platforms refuse to share.What the Alligator Graph Means for Ops TeamsThere's a chart making the rounds that content marketers have started calling the alligator graph. Impressions climb while clicks to your website fall, and the 2 lines drift apart until they look like an open set of jaws. For a content team this reads as proof the strategy is working, because more people are seeing the brand. For a marketing ops team staring at the same chart in Google Analytics, it reads as failure, because the dashboard they own is built to count clicks and the clicks are going down. The measurement layer is undercutting the exact thing the content layer is producing.Amanda's first move is to reframe the problem. The j...
What's up everyone, today we have the pleasure of sitting down with Cara Caruso, CEO and co-founder of Sentinel Insights, and Dustin Taylor, counsel at Troutman Pepper Locke.We'll cover:(00:00) - Cara-audio (00:53) - In This Episode (04:40) - 1 — Why Your Website Is Running More Tracking Tools Than You Know (08:17) - 2 — How a Plaintiff's Firm Turns Your Website Into a Lawsuit (17:55) - 3 — The ECPA Wave and the Privacy Policy That Sues You (20:53) - 4 — What Consent Drift Actually Looks Like (25:16) - 5 — Who Actually Owns Privacy Compliance (30:49) - 6 — The Business Case for Privacy-First Marketing (35:52) - 7 — What Marketing Ops Can Do About Privacy This Week (42:35) - 8 — Why Email Marketing Is the Next Privacy Lawsuit (48:04) - 9 — AI, Consent, and Being Forced to Delete Your Data (51:46) - 10 — Why Small Companies Get Privacy Lawsuits Too (58:42) - 11 — How to Decide What Deserves Your Energy Summary: A privacy-software CEO and a litigation defense attorney walk into a podcast and proceed to scare every marketer in the room, in the most useful way possible. Cara Caruso has scanned over 10,000 websites and found nearly 90% of them non-compliant, while Dustin Taylor has defended more than 100 companies against the exact lawsuits that follow. Together they trace how a forgotten tag from three years ago becomes a seven-figure settlement, why your own privacy policy is the document most likely to sue you, and how one month of a broken cookie banner turns into 10,000 dollars per visitor. Then they flip the whole thing and make the case for why clean, consented data actually performs better. Stick around for the part where your email open rates might be illegal and the FTC makes companies delete four years of data.About Cara Caruso and Dustin TaylorCara Caruso is the CEO and co-founder of Sentinel Insights, where she leads a platform that monitors websites in real time for consent violations and privacy exposure. Before starting the company she spent more than 25 years in data and martech, building and scaling teams across technology and financial services in both B2B and B2C. She pairs strategic planning with hands-on execution, and she's also a certified yoga instructor who has been known to bring a workshop into the office.Dustin Taylor is counsel at Troutman Pepper Locke, where he defends companies at the intersection of privacy law and marketing technology. He's defended more than 100 companies in ad-tech privacy cases involving cookies, pixels, session replay, and website chat, secured dismissals at the pleading stage in federal court, and argued in California, New York, Florida, Texas, and New Jersey. He started out with an advertising degree before law school, which makes him fluent in the martech stack in a way most litigators never are. He also publishes monthly privacy litigation reports and tracks ECPA filings with AI.Why Your Website Is Running More Tracking Tools Than You KnowMost marketing teams believe they have a clean inventory of what runs on their website. There's a tag manager, a cookie banner, a vendor list in a spreadsheet somewhere, and a general sense that someone signed off on all of it. Then someone actually scans the site, and the number comes back two, three, sometimes four times higher than anyone expected.Cara has watched this play out thousands of times. Sentinel Insights has scanned over 10,000 websites in the past year, and the pattern barely changes from one company to the next. Nearly 90% of those sites are not compliant. Every new customer gets the same uncomfortable conversation on day one.The gap between what a team thinks is running and what's actually firing comes from two places. The first is history. Somebody three years ago added a tag for a campaign that ended, then left the company, and nobody ever took it down. The team you have today inherited a stack built by people they never met, and most of those decisions were never written down anywhere. Cara calls it the ghost of marketers past, and it's sitting on almost every site she scans.The second is piggybacking. You buy one tool, drop in one script, and that single tag quietly loads four more. Each of those can load more on top. An agency hard-codes a pixel straight into a landing page because they didn't have access to the tag manager, and now your customer data flows to companies nobody on your team could name. None of it shows up in the tidy spreadsheet. All of it shows up in a scan.This is the part most marketers underestimate. The real exposure comes from the tools nobody chose on purpose, the dozen scripts running quietly in the background, each one sending customer data somewhere you've never audited. They pile up while everyone assumes the banner has it covered. No marketing team actually knows what's on its website until a scan proves otherwise, and "we reviewed it last year" is closer to a guess than a control.Why Not Knowing Is Not a Legal DefenseThe instinct, once you find those orphaned tags, is to assume they don't count against you. You didn't install them. You didn't even know they were there. Dustin spends a lot of his time correcting that assumption. These privacy laws do have a knowledge component, but courts read knowledge very differently than a normal person would. As long as the person who installed the tag three years ago knew they were installing something, the legal requirement is met. The fact that today's marketing team forgot it existed changes nothing.There's a second trap hiding inside the same problem. What marketing knew, what IT knew, and what legal knew are rarely the same thing, and that fragmentation is its own risk. Each group assumes another group is watching the stack. The court doesn't care which department dropped the ball. It only cares that someone, at some point, hit install.Key takeaway: Run a full scan of your live website this month and compare the results against your documented vendor list. Flag every tag you can't immediately explain, especially anything loading third-party scripts you never installed directly. The tools you can't account for are the ones quietly building your legal exposure, and forgetting they exist won't protect you.How a Plaintiff's Firm Turns Your Website Into a LawsuitHere's the mental model most marketing teams carry around: we're compliant until someone complains. You picture a single annoyed customer who takes the time to file something against your little startup, and you quietly decide the odds are low. Who's really going to sue over one text message or one tracking cookie? That assumption is the most expensive thing on your website, because litigation in this space doesn't start with a complaint. It starts with a scan of your site that you never see.Plaintiffs' law firms run continuous automated audits of company websites, and they're looking for far more than a typo in your privacy policy. Dustin walked through exactly what their scanners check:What loads automatically the moment someone lands on the page, before any consent is given, Whether there's a banner at all, and what it actually does, What keeps firing after a visitor opts out, Whether anything is miscategorized, like a marketing cookie quietly labeled "essential" so it can't be turned offOnce a firm finds the exposure, they find a plaintiff. The demand letter arrives, and the dollar amounts climb fast. Cara breaks the pressure into three forces bearing down on marketing teams at once:Trophy-hunting plaintiff attorneys who come after you for small amounts individually, then scale it into a class action, Brand and reputational damage that lingers long after a settlement clears, State enforcement at the atto...
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!AI is becoming part of every Marketing Ops workflow. But what if the most valuable skills in the future aren't technical at all?In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Debby Mayen, Global Head of Marketing Operations and Analytics at Logitech, for a thoughtful conversation about balancing technology with humanity in the age of AI.Debby has spent her career leading global marketing operations teams through major shifts in technology, but her approach stands out because she intentionally creates space away from screens. Through reading physical books, exercising, creative pursuits, and meaningful human connection, she believes the best leaders strengthen the skills that AI cannot replace.Together, Michael and Debby explore how AI can expand human potential without replacing critical thinking, why creativity and communication are becoming even more valuable, and what today's Marketing Ops professionals should focus on to stay relevant in an AI-enabled workplace.Topics covered include: Why balance is essential in an AI-driven world Using AI to challenge your thinking instead of replacing it How AI amplifies both strengths and weaknesses Why creativity, communication, and human connection are becoming competitive advantages What hiring managers are seeing as AI becomes mainstream Helping teams embrace AI without creating fear Practical advice for early-career Marketing Ops professionals Why stepping away from technology can make you a better leader Whether you're leading a team, building your career, or simply trying to use AI more intentionally, this episode offers a practical perspective on staying human while embracing the future.Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
AI can make you faster. But can it make you memorable? Mark Cibort, Global Head of Marketing Operations at Kenvue, joins the #ShinyNewObjectPodcast to discuss agentic employees, data overload, the AI bubble, and why the real competitive advantage is becoming the most human person in the room. Tune in to learn how to make more space for what matters, while still making the most of the tech revolution.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!AI is changing Marketing Ops. But the biggest change may have nothing to do with technology.In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann is joined by Abby Koble, Vice President of Global Marketing Operations at Cornerstone OnDemand, and Ashley Langford, VP of Marketing Operations & AI Technology at Ashley Langford Marketing, for a timely discussion about how AI is transforming careers, hiring, leadership, and professional development.What began as a LinkedIn connection between Abby and Ashley evolved into a broader conversation about the realities of today's Marketing Ops job market. Ashley shares her data-driven approach to documenting her leadership job search, while Abby offers the perspective of a hiring executive navigating hundreds of applicants and an increasingly AI-influenced recruiting process.Together, they explore where AI helps, where it hurts, and why human skills may become the biggest differentiator for the next generation of Marketing Ops leaders.Topics covered include:• What today's Marketing Ops leadership job market really looks like• Why candidate ghosting happens and where the hiring process breaks down• How AI is changing recruiting, career growth, and professional development• The difference between using AI as a force multiplier versus a crutch• Why foundational experience still matters in an AI-assisted world• The growing importance of communication, confidence, and leadership skills• Whether hybrid and in-person work still play a role in developing future leadersWhether you're hiring, actively searching for your next opportunity, or thinking about how AI will shape the future of Marketing Ops, this episode offers perspectives from both sides of the table.Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
Armin Molavi is a seasoned global brand architect, enterprise marketing executive, and the Chief Marketing Officer at Instructure, the edtech giant behind Canvas by Instructure (the world's leading learning management platform).With over 20 years of experience leading massive brand transformations, Armin specializes in taking complex, legacy organizations and modernizing their market narrative. Before stepping into the edtech space at Instructure, he built a powerhouse career on both the agency and corporate brand sides. Notably, he served as the Global Head of Media and Marketing Operations at Hilton, where he managed their international agency ecosystem, drove massive digital efficiency, and helped steer the hospitality giant through an era of aggressive digital transformation.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Your GTM tech stack is probably costing you more than you think.Not because of software licenses alone, but because of underused tools, overlapping platforms, broken processes, and hidden revenue leakage that quietly compounds over time.In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Gaurav Palande, founder of Prune and a marketing and sales operations leader with more than 15 years of experience, to explore a different way of evaluating technology investments.The conversation explores how organizations can measure the business value of their GTM technology, identify hidden inefficiencies, uncover revenue leakage, and make smarter decisions about AI investments before difficulty spirals out of control.Topics covered include: • Why tech stack value matters more than tech stack cost • A practical framework for evaluating GTM technology investments • Common sources of waste, duplicate spend, and underutilized platforms • How neglected systems and broken processes contribute to revenue leakage • Where AI creates genuine value and where it simply adds complexity • How to approach the growing "buy vs. build" decision in the age of AIWhether you're managing a handful of platforms or an enterprise-scale ecosystem, this episode offers practical guidance for turning your tech stack from a cost center into a measurable business asset.Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!What does mid-2026 actually feel like for the people running marketing and revenue ops? And has AI made the work better, or just harder in new ways?Michael Hartmann is back with co-hosts Naomi Liu and Mike Rizzo for one of their rare three-amigos episodes, a wide-open conversation recorded at the halfway point of 2026. No guest, no agenda, just three ops practitioners talking honestly about what's happening in the field, what they're seeing in the community, and where things feel like they're heading.The conversation moves from the present state of AI in marketing ops to the bigger, harder questions underneath it. These questions are about the gap between AI hype and actual operationalisation, what it means to lead teams through expectations that keep changing, and what none of them know how to tell their kids about the world those kids are going to inherit.Topics covered in this episode:Whether AI has made marketing ops and revenue ops easier or harder, and why "harder" might be the more honest answerThe gap between how educated people are on what technology can do and how difficult it still is to actually operationaliseFindings (early) from the MO Pros AI assessment benchmark study, including how bots contaminated the data and what human intuition caught that the AI missedJensen Huang's pushback on CEOs blaming AI for layoffs, and what the ops community thinks about that framingHow the current AI moment is different from previous technology waves: it is changing who does things, not just how they get doneThe post-scarcity economy concept and what it might mean for the future of labour and valueEpisode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
Many B2B marketing leaders still evaluate website performance by total traffic, engagement, or surface-level conversion metrics. What they should do is view the website as a core revenue engine, where everything from messaging, page layouts, and UX decisions directly accelerate sales-qualified leads, demo booking quality, and pipeline velocity. So, how can B2B SaaS companies design high-converting websites that capture high-intent demand and generate predictable, long-term revenue?That's why we're talking to Sahil Patel (CEO, Spiralyze) to unlock data-backed strategies on how to transform B2B SaaS website traffic into predictable revenue. During our conversation, Sahil reveals why most B2B SaaS website fail as revenue engines based on large-scale conversion rate optimization (CRO) testing data. He discussed why displaying your actual product immediately can drive a 19% lift in conversion rates. Sahil also introduced actionable diagnostic frameworks like the “one-second test” to see if your homepage actually works, and provided tips on how to conduct the competitor homepage test. He provided a tactical roadmap for focusing exclusively on high-intent buyer traffic, deploying friction-free CTAs, and using credible, customer-validated proof points while stripping away overcomplication with too much information.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Despite massive investment in AI, many organizations are struggling to generate meaningful business impact. Why? According to Paul Shirer, most companies are treating AI as a tooling problem when it's really a workflow and adoption problem.In this episode, hosts Michael Hartmann sit down with Paul, Founder & CEO of Infinite Ideas AI and Director of AI & GTM Technology at Bridge Partners. Together, they discussed where AI adoption goes wrong, how leaders should think about workflow design and decision-making, and what it actually takes to move beyond experimentation toward measurable value.In this episode:Why AI is a workflow and adoption problem, not a tooling problemWhat's really causing the high failure rate of AI initiativesHow to tell useful AI adoption apart from "agent sprawl"Why Paul moved away from end-to-end automated workflows, and what changed his mindWhat a connected workspace looks like in practiceBalancing flexibility and governance when every team wants a custom solutionWhy the data layer matters even more in an AI-driven environmentWhether you're being asked to justify AI investments or trying to turn experimentation into real results, this is a practical conversation for operators closing the gap between AI hype and AI impact.Learn more about MarketingOps and The MO Pros community at MarketingOps.com.If you enjoyed this episode, do subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone in the ops community who would find it valuable.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
When leveraged strategically, LinkedIn can be an incredibly powerful platform for B2B companies to build their brands, establish credibility in their vertical, and capture high-intent inbound opportunities. Unfortunately, many company are using tactics that are either too salesy or aggressive, resulting in a massive trust gap and a stagnant pipeline. So, how can B2B companies and their marketing teams close the trust gap, dismantle the friction, establish credibility in their industry, and build a predictable LinkedIn lead generation system without wasting precious advertising dollars?That's why we're talking to Niall Ratcliffe (CEO, noticed) who shares the secrets that top B2B companies use to win on LinkedIn. During our conversation, Niall highlighted how to balance profile positioning, narrative-driven content, and targeted outbound communication. He discussed the critical shift from founder-led content to employee-generated content (EGC) through well-structured internal advocacy programs. Niall mapped out exactly what content formats and structural frameworks are moving the needle right now, providing an actionable blueprint for modern B2B personal branding and organic reach. Stay to the end, where Niall actually revealed some secrets that top B2B companies use behind the scenes that they won't discuss in public.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!What if the biggest marketing problem in your organization isn't the marketing team at all?In this episode, Michael Hartmann sits down with Charral Izhiman, Head of Marketing at Bayobab and author of The Marketing Movement, for a conversation about why so many organizations still misunderstand what marketing is supposed to do, and what it takes to fix that from both sides.Charral's perspective is refreshingly different. Her book isn't written to teach marketers how to market. It's written to help non-marketing leaders understand how to actually work with marketing. That framing opens up a rich discussion about the gap between strategy and execution, and why Ops professionals may be the best-positioned people in the business to close it. In this conversation, they discuss:The outdated assumptions organizations still hold about marketing, and how marketers unintentionally reinforce themWhy Ops teams sitting at the intersection of marketing, sales, finance, and leadership are uniquely positioned as translators across the businessThe SHAPE framework, and why "Activation" is the overlooked layer between planning and resultsWhy organizations romanticize strategy and celebrate execution but skip operational readiness in the middleThe Formula 1 metaphor for marketing leadership: everything that has to come together before you can even competeWhether you're in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or marketing leadership, this episode is full of ideas for anyone trying to bridge the gap between strategy, operations, and the rest of the business. The conversation doesn't end here. Explore the full SHAPE framework and more in Charral's book, The Marketing Movement: https://themarketing-movement.com/Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
What if the biggest risk of AI in marketing isn't about job replacement, but about creating more fragmented, siloed work?Agility requires more than just adopting new tools; it demands a fundamental rethinking of how teams collaborate and orchestrate work. When a technology like AI promises to accelerate individual tasks, true agility means ensuring that acceleration translates into collective momentum, not organizational friction.Today, we're going to talk about moving beyond the hype of AI experimentation and into the reality of its operational impact on marketing teams. We'll explore what happens when AI graduates from being a personal productivity tool to becoming an integrated part of a team's workflow, and how that shift changes everything from campaign execution to the very structure of marketing itself.To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Prachi Gore, CMO at Asana. About Prachi Gore Prachi Gore is the Chief Marketing Officer at Asana, where she leads the company's global marketing strategy and brand development. Prachi brings extensive experience scaling product-led B2B organizations, having previously served as SVP and Chief Marketing Officer at Checkr, where she built the company's demand engine, elevated its brand, and launched its product-led growth business. Prior to Checkr, Prachi led Marketing at SmartRecruiters, guiding the company's evolution from an SMB-focused product to a leading enterprise talent acquisition suite. This diverse background across consumer, SMB, and enterprise markets gives her deep expertise in demand generation, brand strategy, and AI-enabled go-to-market innovation. Prachi is passionate about creating marketing that combines human creativity with rigorous, data-driven execution, and is committed to helping teams work more effectively and tell clearer stories. Prachi Gore on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prachigore/ ---------- Resources ---------- Asana: asana.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703 We're proud to be a media partner for #MAICON26 - Oct. 13-15! Learn how AI can power your marketing and business and help you grow smarter. Use code AGILE150 to save! https://aglbrnd.co/r/7fe458ced0f04658Reach your customers with Reddit. Spend $500 in ad spend, get $500 back in ad credit! Learn more: https://advertalize.com/r/491818c79fb1873fDon't miss We Make Future - the International Festival of Innovation in AI, Tech, and Digital Marketing, June 24-26 in Bologna. Learn more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/c80991afff416bb2The most influential minds in software, AI, and engineering leadership will be at WeAreDevelopers World Congress North America, September 23-25 in San Jose. Learn more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/60a7299222a7bcf1 Enjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716ba Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!For years, the hard part of ops work was building the technology. Now the tech is getting easier while the people and process side is getting harder. So why are so many organizations still stuck debating AI instead of activating it?In this episode, host Michael Hartmann sits down with Andrea Tarrell, President of the Tech Services line at Trilliad and CEO of Sercante. Together, they discussed the human side of change in the AI world with speed, trust, risk tolerance, and the trade-offs GTM teams are making right now.In this episode:Why the technology got easier, but the people and process side got harderHow much of AI adoption is really a trust and change management problem, not a tech oneFear of job replacement vs. plain organizational inertiaAI may not replace your job, but someone using it well may outperform someone who refuses to adaptSolving the tension between "move faster with AI" and "watch out for the risks."What companies get wrong about risk management and tolerance for risk in the AI worldWhy old governance frameworks may not fit a world of fast experimentationAnd a lot more...Whether you lead an ops team or sit inside one, this is a timely conversation about innovation, speed, governance, and practical business reality.If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone in the ops community who would find it valuable.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show
Marketing leaders are being asked to drive more growth with less budget, fewer resources, tighter timelines, and more pressure from every direction while AI is being treated like the shortcut to replace entire marketing teams. But AI will not fix bad strategy, weak alignment, poor customer understanding, or broken marketing fundamentals. In part two of this master class conversation with Matt Hummel, CMO of Pipeline360, the focus moves into what it really takes to become the kind of CMO AI cannot replace. Not by chasing every new tool, adding more MarTech, or hiding behind automation, but by understanding the business as a whole, building trust across departments, speaking the language of revenue, and creating alignment between marketing, sales, product, leadership, and the customer. To lead marketing in a volatile market where expectations keep rising and the old playbook is no longer enough, you need to know how to: • Make sales an ally instead of your bitter rival • Build shared pipeline ownership across marketing and sales • Communicate risk without becoming defensive • Connect marketing decisions to the larger goals of the business • Set clearer expectations with your team and leadership • Understand resource constraints without using them as excuses • Stay close to customers while leading strategy • Create momentum without pretending there is an easy button The best marketing leaders are not just managing campaigns, tools, reports, and dashboards. They are translating complexity into strategy the business can trust. The reminder is clear: AI will not fix bad strategy. More MarTech will not fix bad marketing. The CMO AI cannot replace is the one who understands the business, earns trust, aligns with sales, leads the team, knows the customer, and gets back to real marketing when everyone else is hiding behind tools. (P.S. If you haven't, listen to Ep. 149 for part one of this masterclass episode) Beyond The Episode Gems: Connect With Matt Hummel on LinkedIn Listen To Troy On Matt's Podcast, Pipeline Brew: The Evolving Role of CMOs & Community Building Visit Pipeline360 website to learn more about how they solve B2B marketers' biggest headaches Buy Troy's Book, Strategize Up: The Blueprint To Scale Your Business StrategizeUpBook.com Discover All Podcasts On The HubSpot Podcast Network Get Free HubSpot Marketing Tools To Help You Grow Your Business Grow Your Business Faster Using HubSpot's CRM Platform Support The Podcast & Connect With Troy: Rate & Review iDigress: iDigress.fm/Reviews Follow Troy's Socials @FindTroy: LinkedIn, Instagram, Threads, TikTok Subscribe to Troy's YouTube Channel For Strategy Videos & See Masterclass Episodes Need Growth Strategy, A Keynote Speaker, Or Want To Sponsor The Podcast? Go To FindTroy.com
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Today, most teams aren't just struggling to build their AI strategies. The real struggle begins when they try to execute their strategies. In this episode of Ops Cast, host Michael Hartmann sits down with David York, Chief AI and Innovation Officer at Helix CXM, to get practical answers about what it really takes for GTM organizations to move from talking about AI to operationalizing it.David has spent years working at the intersection of marketing operations, RevOps, automation, and AI transformation. Together, he and Michael discovered an uncomfortable truth about how most teams are already overwhelmed by manual work, fragmented processes, shadow systems, and operational debt. Piling "figure out AI" on top of all that creates more chaos. In this conversation, you'll hear:Why the gap between AI strategy and implementation is so hard to closeWhat operational excellence actually looks like in practice, and why it has to come firstWhy mapping how work gets done today is the critical first step before introducing AIThe real difference between automation and "automation plus intelligence"How to identify low-risk, high-value AI use cases (like partially manual lead routing) versus harder onesThe hidden costs teams underestimate: tooling, LLM costs, maintenance, and human monitoringWhere human judgment is still absolutely requiredPractical advice on where to start if you're feeling overwhelmed by AI pressure right nowWhether you lead a scrappy SMB or a specialized team inside a large enterprise, this is a grounded discussion about the reality of AI in modern GTM, beyond the hype and the LinkedIn hot takes.David also published a new book this week, AI-Powered Growth: A 7-Step Adoption and Transformation Framework, which goes deeper into how Marketing Ops leaders can systematically prioritize and operationalize AI initiatives. Grab a copy here: https://www.amazon.com/AI-Powered-Growth-7-Step-Adoption-Transformation/dp/B0H2QCZG5M/Enjoy the episode!Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Marketing leadership has become one of the most volatile seats in business. CMOs and marketing leaders are often expected to create immediate pipeline, prove instant ROI, fix deeper business issues they did not create, defend brand investment, align sales, understand customers, translate strategy across the organization, and still become one of the first functions questioned, blamed, or cut when growth slows. In part one of this master class conversation, Matt Hummel, CMO of Pipeline360, brings a clear reminder back to the table: great marketing starts with trusting the buyer, knowing the customer, and simplifying how you market. In a market obsessed with performance data, attribution, automation, dark social, buyer signals, and immediate results, more complexity does not automatically create better customer understanding. For aspiring CMOs, current CMOs, marketing leaders, founders, and business owners, this conversation is a valuable look at how to lead marketing without getting trapped in the pressure cooker. It challenges you to rethink what it really means to put the customer at the center, not as a tagline, not as another automation workflow, and not as another dashboard filled with signals, but as a deeper responsibility to understand the person, pressure, timing, risk, and decision behind the purchase. The conversation moves through buyer trust, brand versus demand, customer empathy, attribution, sales alignment, CMO pressure, market timing, and the difference between chasing pipeline and building LTV. It is also a reminder to get out of your lane, understand product, spend time with sales, listen to customers, and learn how the whole business works. Because the best CMOs are not just campaign operators. They are translators, mediators, trust builders, and business leaders who know how to connect marketing to revenue, customer experience, and long term growth. Beyond The Episode Gems: Connect With Matt Hummel on LinkedIn Listen To Troy On Matt's Podcast, Pipeline Brew: The Evolving Role of CMOs & Community Building Visit Pipeline360 website to learn more about how they solve B2B marketers' biggest headaches Buy Troy's Book, Strategize Up: The Blueprint To Scale Your Business StrategizeUpBook.com Discover All Podcasts On The HubSpot Podcast Network Get Free HubSpot Marketing Tools To Help You Grow Your Business Grow Your Business Faster Using HubSpot's CRM Platform Support The Podcast & Connect With Troy: Rate & Review iDigress: iDigress.fm/Reviews Follow Troy's Socials @FindTroy: LinkedIn, Instagram, Threads, TikTok Subscribe to Troy's YouTube Channel For Strategy Videos & See Masterclass Episodes Need Growth Strategy, A Keynote Speaker, Or Want To Sponsor The Podcast? Go To FindTroy.com
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!What separates a marketing team that drives growth from one that just stays busy?Ondar Tarlow came into marketing from the business side rather than the traditional marketing path, and that lens changes how he reads a P&L, how he allocates budget, and how he earns credibility with finance and the executive team.In this episode of Ops Cast, host Michael Hartmann sits down with Ondar, marketing consultant and former CMO, for a practical conversation about thinking commercially. They get into why so many marketers struggle to articulate how their company actually makes money, how to translate strategy into a budget and investment plan, and how to secure buy-in from the people holding the purse strings without getting blindsided in the room.Michael and Ondar discussed:Why coming from the business side reshapes how you approach marketingThe reason so many marketers can't explain how their business makes moneyWhat separates growth-driving teams from teams stuck executing activityHow to turn strategy into a real budget and investment planThe biggest mistakes leaders make when seeking buy-in from finance and the boardBalancing spend across acquisition, retention, partnerships, and brandWhy minimizing surprises is a hallmark of strong operatorsWhere AI is already creating a practical advantage in research and learningHow cheap access to strategic knowledge changes career development, and its risksWhat community building (Fast Lane Drive, Worn & Driven Magazine) teaches about retentionWhat makes a brand partnership strategically valuable versus just promotionalIf you've ever wanted to be the marketer the executive team actually listens to, this conversation is a roadmap for getting there.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Working with family sounds like either a dream or a disaster. This episode is proof it can be the former — but only when the foundation is right. Amber sits down with her oldest daughter, Lilly McCue (Director of Operations and Marketing Operations at Amber McCue), and longtime business partner Joanna Tiger for a candid conversation about what it actually looks like to build a business alongside the people you love. This was recorded at the request of a client who wanted to know: how does it go? And does it really work? Spoiler: it does. But not by accident. In this episode you'll hear: How Lilly got her start — pulling quotes for Twitter at nine years old — and the quiet-quitting moment in 4th grade that set the tone for their whole working relationship Why clear roles and deep trust are the two non-negotiables for making family dynamics work in a business What "assuming positive intent" looks like when it's actually lived — not just written on a values doc The unspoken rules that hold their team together (including who's not allowed to touch the CRM) What Amber would tell any business owner considering hiring a family member — including the conversation to have before you start If you've ever wondered whether letting your worlds collide could actually work for your business, this one's for you.
SUMMARY What makes a brand sell memories instead of merchandise? Mike Brevik sits down with Mark Jaworski from HOMAGE Apparel to find out. Since 2007, HOMAGE has built a cult following by tapping into the emotional power of sports, pop culture, and the things people grew up loving, from Starter jackets to vintage NBA logos. The conversation covers why nostalgia is picking up speed across generations, how the analog era made retro culture feel rare and real, and how HOMAGE uses storytelling as its primary filter for every product decision. If you have ever felt that gut-punch of seeing an old jersey for the first time in years, this episode is for you. KEY TAKEAWAYS Nostalgia is not a fad. It is a tradition passed down through family, fandom, and shared cultural moments that transcend generations. HOMAGE runs every product idea through a storytelling filter first: does this story matter to people and will they connect with it? Scarcity and limited access in the pre-digital era made retro items feel rare and meaningful, and that emotional weight does not fade. Wearing a vintage logo or old-school colorway is its own form of identity, even a quiet act of rebellion within your own fandom. Navigating controversial figures takes case-by-case judgment, and HOMAGE gravitates toward stories of perseverance over polarization. WHO IS THE GUEST? Mark Jaworski - Director of Marketing Operations, HOMAGE Apparel Mark Jaworski is part of the marketing and storytelling team behind HOMAGE Apparel, one of the most recognizable nostalgia-driven apparel brands in sports and pop culture. Since 2007, HOMAGE has built a loyal following through retro-inspired designs celebrating iconic moments, legendary athletes, classic movies, wrestling, music, and vintage Americana. Mark helps shape the storytelling, brand voice, and emotional resonance behind everything the brand puts out. HOMAGE Apparel HOMAGE Apparel is a retro-inspired apparel brand built around storytelling, nostalgia, and emotional connection. Known for its ultra-soft vintage-style tees and deep-cut sports and pop culture references, HOMAGE celebrates the people, places, teams, and memories that shaped generations. From classic NBA logos and old-school wrestling to cult movies and Americana, HOMAGE has become a leader in modern nostalgia branding. LINKS AND RESOURCES cyberdogzmarketing.com brandretro.com homage.com KEYWORDS nostalgia branding, retro apparel, HOMAGE Apparel, vintage sports, brand storytelling, retro culture, sports nostalgia, pop culture branding, vintage fashion, emotional branding, retro logos, sports fandom, nostalgia marketing, authentic branding, Brand Retro Podcast, Mark Jaworski, vintage Americana, brand identity, memory marketing, retro sports EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS [00:01:49 - 00:02:27] Mike asks at what point HOMAGE realized it was selling memories, not just merchandise. [00:02:28 - 00:04:03] Mark explains how nostalgia was baked into HOMAGE from day one through founder Ryan's vintage collecting roots. [00:04:46 - 00:06:12] Mike and Mark dig into why younger generations are gravitating toward retro culture from 30 and 40 years ago. [00:06:13 - 00:08:33] The conversation turns to vintage as identity and rebellion within fandom, and the battle of the decades. [00:08:34 - 00:10:00] Mike and Mark explore how pre-digital scarcity made retro items feel rare and emotionally powerful. [00:10:01 - 00:11:50] Mark walks through HOMAGE's storytelling filter and the trial-and-error behind figuring out what truly resonates. [00:12:05 - 00:15:56] A candid conversation on navigating controversial athletes and how HOMAGE reviews each situation individually. [00:17:04 - 00:19:29] Mike and Mark bond over living through the Jordan era, the steroid debates, and the 1998 home run chase.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Why is it so hard for teams to say what they actually think?We nod in meetings, then raise concerns in Slack afterward. We approve work, then reopen it at the last minute. We pile up version 20, 30, 40 of a deliverable, wondering why nothing ever feels finished.In this episode of Ops Cast, host Michael Hartmann sits down with Kira Troilo, founder of Art & Soul Consulting, who brings two decades of theater experience into the world of team collaboration. Her insight is that most teams are stuck in "performance mode," being careful and polite, when what they really need is "rehearsal mode," where it's safe to be messy, disagree early, and surface the truth before it gets expensive.Michael and Kira discussed:Why politeness is a hidden source of inefficiency, and what the "silence tax" actually costs organizationsThe real reason approval cycles balloon into endless rounds of revisionsHow theater's "first rehearsal" tradition translates to designing better team kickoffsWhy tools, workflows, and AI don't fix the underlying communication problemPractical tactics teams can adopt this week to give honest feedback earlierWhether AI and automation make these collaboration challenges better or worseHow leaders can shift from managing output to designing how their teams work togetherIf you've ever felt that rework, fire drills, and misalignment are symptoms of something deeper on your team, this conversation will give you a new lens and a starting point.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Most leaders see Marketing Ops as the team that keeps the trains running on time, essentially the plumbers of the marketing department. But what if I told you they're actually positioned to be the architects of your company's most durable competitive advantage?Agility requires moving beyond the transactional nature of campaigns and technology. It demands building a durable, responsive ecosystem around your brand, one that can listen and adapt not just quarterly, but constantly.Today, we're going to talk about how to reframe the marketing operations function from a cost center or tactical execution engine into a strategic driver of growth. And we'll explore a powerful, and perhaps counterintuitive, way to do it: by building a genuine community, not just as a marketing channel, but as the core of your go-to-market strategy.To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Mike Rizzo, CEO at MarketingOps.About Mike Rizzo Mike Rizzo is a career marketing operations professional passionate about using a people-first approach to building scalable and efficient solutions to the challenges faced by marketing, business operations, and client success teams.With his extensive background in marketing Mike helped build, launch, manage and optimize Mavenlink's first user community and Client Advisory Board programs.In 2017 he also founded the growing community of MO Pros - a place where thousands of Marketing Operations Professionals connect, collaborate and help elevate the practice of Marketing Ops. He is also the co-host of the podcast called Ops Cast.As the founder of MarketingOps.com, Mike is taking a community-led approach to building a platform purpose-built to elevate Marketing Operations Professionals. Mike Rizzo on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aharze/ Resources MarketingOps: https://www.marketingops.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703 Drive your customers to new horizons at the premier retail event of the year for Retail and Brand marketers. Learn more at CRMC 2026, June 1-3. https://aglbrnd.co/r/d15ec37a537c0d74 We're proud to be a media partner for #MAICON26 - Oct. 13-15! Learn how AI can power your marketing and business and help you grow smarter. Use code AGILE150 to save! https://aglbrnd.co/r/7fe458ced0f04658Reach your customers with Reddit. Spend $500 in ad spend, get $500 back in ad credit! Learn more: https://advertalize.com/r/491818c79fb1873fEnjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716ba Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Most leaders see Marketing Ops as the team that keeps the trains running on time, essentially the plumbers of the marketing department. But what if I told you they're actually positioned to be the architects of your company's most durable competitive advantage? Agility requires moving beyond the transactional nature of campaigns and technology. It demands building a durable, responsive ecosystem around your brand, one that can listen and adapt not just quarterly, but constantly.Today, we're going to talk about how to reframe the marketing operations function from a cost center or tactical execution engine into a strategic driver of growth. And we'll explore a powerful, and perhaps counterintuitive, way to do it: by building a genuine community, not just as a marketing channel, but as the core of your go-to-market strategy. To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Mike Rizzo, CEO at MarketingOps. About Mike Rizzo Mike Rizzo is a career marketing operations professional passionate about using a people-first approach to building scalable and efficient solutions to the challenges faced by marketing, business operations, and client success teams. With his extensive background in marketing Mike helped build, launch, manage and optimize Mavenlink's first user community and Client Advisory Board programs. In 2017 he also founded the growing community of MO Pros - a place where thousands of Marketing Operations Professionals connect, collaborate and help elevate the practice of Marketing Ops. He is also the co-host of the podcast called Ops Cast.As the founder of MarketingOps.com, Mike is taking a community-led approach to building a platform purpose-built to elevate Marketing Operations Professionals. Mike Rizzo on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aharze/ Resources MarketingOps: https://www.marketingops.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703 Drive your customers to new horizons at the premier retail event of the year for Retail and Brand marketers. Learn more at CRMC 2026, June 1-3. https://aglbrnd.co/r/d15ec37a537c0d74 We're proud to be a media partner for #MAICON26 - Oct. 13-15! Learn how AI can power your marketing and business and help you grow smarter. Use code AGILE150 to save! https://aglbrnd.co/r/7fe458ced0f04658 Reach your customers with Reddit. Spend $500 in ad spend, get $500 back in ad credit! Learn more: https://advertalize.com/r/491818c79fb1873f Enjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstrom Don't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716ba Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! Most RevOps advice assumes your organization is already halfway in your success journey. But what happens when you're starting from zero, with no clear blueprint, inconsistent data, and a team that can't agree on how revenue actually works? In this episode, host Michael Hartmann sits down with Chelsea Gill, CMO at Resultant, who recently expanded her role to include RevOps and Customer Experience. What started as a need for better data and process quickly revealed a full-scale management change challenge across the entire organization.Chelsea and Michael discussed:What Chelsea expected when stepping into RevOps and what she actually foundWhy most RevOps frameworks assume more maturity than most teams haveWhat a "beta" version of RevOps actually looks like in practiceHow to change behavior across sales, marketing, and leadership (not just process)The role of empathy and storytelling in building organizational trust around dataWhether marketing has contributed to its own credibility problem inside the businessIf you're going through the messy middle between marketing, sales, and operations, or trying to build RevOps without a roadmap, this episode is a must watch for you.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Colleen Meenan is an Executive Vice President at Publicis Media, where she focuses on leading media strategy, client partnerships, and integrated marketing solutions for major brands. She is recognized for her leadership in modern, data-driven media planning and helping clients navigate the evolving digital and advertising landscape. Brad Feinberg is Vice President of Media & Marketing Operations at Molson Coors Beverage Company. He oversees media strategy, digital marketing, eCommerce, analytics, and consumer engagement across the company's portfolio of brands. Feinberg is known for leading innovative campaigns, expanding first-party data capabilities, and helping modernize Molson Coors' media and marketing operations.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!In today's episode of Ops Cast by MarketingOps.com, we're going beyond systems, processes, and technology to talk about how Pros are actually doing and executing the work. Marketing has grown into a measurable revenue engine, but that transformation has come at a cost, and the pressure on operators is now constant, unrelenting, and in many cases, unsustainable.Our guest is Debbie Qaqish, one of the original pioneers of Revenue Marketing and Marketing Operations, and the founder of her new venture, The Growth Factor. Debbie has spent years helping organizations turn marketing into a measurable driver of business growth, and now she's tackling the human side of that shift, focusing on resilience, leadership, and how marketers can perform at a high level without burning out.Key Topics Include:The evolution of Revenue Marketing and where most companies get stuck todayWhat comes next after accountability and measurement defined the last eraHow AI is rebuilding the role of marketing ops and the expectations placed on teamsWhy does the pressure on marketers feel different now than even a few years agoWhat resilience actually looks like in practice for marketing ops and RevOps rolesHow "caveman brain" shows up in high-stress work environments and affects decision-makingSimple resets operators can use when stuck in fight-or-flight modeWhat effective leadership looks like when pace and pressure are this highHow operators can move from surviving to performing at a high levelIf you've been feeling the weight of constant pressure, changing expectations, and the demand to do more with less, this episode will give you a different lens on what's happening and what to do about it.If you're ready to think about performance, leadership, and resilience in a way that actually fits the reality of modern marketing ops, tune in!For leaders looking for a reset, here is the 10-Minute Leadership Reset™ Ops Cast (https://www.growthfactor.us/opscast)Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to join the conversation at MarketingOps.comEpisode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
On this debut episode of Beyond the Wrench, Chris Lollini speaks with Cody Damp, owner and president of American Home Pros, a Tulsa-based HVAC and plumbing company with 17 trucks on the road. Damp breaks down the company's approach to marketing, including a major push to dedicate 40% of marketing spend to brand recognition.
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!In today's episode of Ops Cast by MarketingOps.com, we're breaking the misconception that digital accessibility is just a compliance issue. Instead, we're exploring why accessibility should be viewed as a strategic advantage, a lever for better customer experience, stronger performance, and sustained growth.Our guest is Mike Barton, the leader of Corporate Communications and Content Marketing at AudioEye. He shares how accessibility isn't just about ticking boxes or worrying about lawsuits; it's about enhancing the experience for all customers, creating more inclusive content, and ultimately driving business success.Key Topics Include: • The real definition of digital accessibility and why it's often misunderstood • How accessibility impacts revenue and growth opportunities when ignored • Why designing for accessibility improves the overall customer experience for everyone • Where Marketing and Revenue Ops teams should focus on accessibility through email programs, websites, campaigns, and more • Best practices for ensuring accessibility across different channels • Quick wins for Ops teams to implement accessibility changes without getting overwhelmedIf you haven't thought about accessibility in your workflows, this episode will show you exactly where to start and how to implement changes that will have a lasting impact.If you're ready to take actionable steps to make your marketing, web operations, and campaigns more accessible, tune in!Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!What happens when you throw out a nearly finished $500K rebrand… and rebuild it in two months for $22K?In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Michael Yehoshua, CMO at WiseStamp, to discuss a decision that most marketing leaders would never make and why it worked.Michael walked into an 18-month rebrand that looked polished on the surface but was fundamentally disconnected from real customer insight. Instead of finishing it, he scrapped the entire effort and rebuilt the brand using AI in a completely different way.What followed was not just a faster rebrand, but a change in how decisions get made. From analyzing customer conversations for emotional signals to rethinking how content is structured for LLM-driven discovery. This conversation challenges many of the assumptions behind traditional marketing, SEO, and brand strategy.This is not a tools discussion. It is about how marketing and operations teams need to rethink data, signals, and decision-making in an AI-shaped environment.Topics covered include:• Why a nearly complete $500K rebrand was scrapped• How AI was used to listen to customers instead of just generating content• What analyzing tone, intent, and “aha moments” reveals beyond transcripts• How Marketing Ops teams should think about capturing new types of signals• Why optimizing for LLMs is different from optimizing for traditional search• The shift in content, backlinks, and site structure for AI-driven discovery• Why traffic can drop while conversions improve• What metrics matter when traditional SEO signals become less reliable• Why brand may become more important, not less, in an AI-first worldIf you are in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or growth, this episode forces a hard rethink. Not about tools, but about how decisions should be made going forward.Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Welcome to another episode of Ops Cast by MarketingOps.com, powered by The MO Pros. Host Michael Hartmann is joined by co-hosts Mike Rizzo and Naomi Liu for a candid, no-guest conversation about one of the biggest questions in operations right now, which is what are we actually getting from AI?With massive funding announcements, rapid product releases, and constant noise around AI, it is easy to assume everyone is seeing results. But when you look closer, most teams are still struggling to measure real impact beyond surface-level efficiency gains.In this episode, we discussed the gap between hype and reality, exploring why ROI is so difficult to quantify, where AI is genuinely useful today, and the expectations that users have for what the technology can actually deliver.In this episode, you will learn:1. What OpenAI's massive funding signals for the future of AI and operations2. Why most teams cannot clearly measure ROI from AI initiatives3. The difference between time savings and real revenue impact4. Hidden costs of AI tools that make ROI harder to track5. Why AI adoption often fails without proper change management6. The belief gap, skill gap, and expectation gap are slowing teams down7. How fear and uncertainty are shaping AI adoption inside organizations8. Why the “AI gold rush” does not guarantee real business value9. What AI agents can and cannot do without human oversight10. Why strong operators become more valuable in an AI-driven worldThis episode challenges the assumption that AI automatically drives value and offers a more grounded perspective on how operators should think about adoption, measurement, and long-term impact.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Conflict is part of every operation's role, but most people avoid it. However, the best operators learn how to use it to their advantage.In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Anna Lecat, CEO and Founder of Bridging Global and author of the upcoming book Loving Conflict, to explore why conflict is not something to eliminate, but something to understand and navigate.If you work in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or any cross-functional role, you are constantly operating between teams with different priorities, incentives, and perspectives. The question from this conversation is whether you avoid it or learn how to work through it effectively.Anna brings more than 25 years of experience leading multicultural teams and working across global organizations. She shares practical ways to reframe conflict, build trust, and turn difficult conversations into productive outcomes.Topics covered include• Why conflict naturally shows up in operations roles• The concept of “loving conflict” and what it actually means in practice• How different teams operate with different “languages” and priorities• Why people feel stuck in the middle and how to shift that mindset• How to prepare for difficult conversations with stakeholders or leadership• Common mistakes that escalate conflict instead of resolving it• How strong operators and leaders handle tension differentlyThis episode is not about frameworks or tools. It is one of the most overlooked skills in operations, the ability to solve conflict in a way that builds alignment rather than breaks it.Loving Conflict by Anna Lecat If this conversation feels relatable, Anna's book goes deeper into the ideas discussed in this episode. This offers a practical framework for turning tension into trust, alignment, and stronger relationships across teams. Here's the link to buy the Loving Conflict: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1966629974Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!What happens when an Ops leader thinks like a marketer?In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Julie Hamada, Chief Operating Officer at Monarch Dentistry, to explore the connection between marketing, operations, and customer experience.Julie's path from marketing into operations shapes how she leads today. She views marketing as promise-making and operations as promise-keeping, and she focuses heavily on retention, customer psychology, and the full journey from first touch to long-term loyalty.This conversation challenges the way many organizations think about growth. It looks at why retention is often overlooked, how operational design directly impacts customer experience, and why some of the most valuable insights come from conversations rather than dashboards.Topics covered include:• The transition from marketing into operations and executive leadership• Why the gap between marketing promises and operational delivery matters• Retention vs acquisition and why most companies get the balance wrong• Designing operations around the full customer or patient journey• How understanding human behavior improves internal leadership• The limits of dashboards and why conversation-driven leadership matters• Practical ways to break down silos between marketing, ops, and frontline teamsIf you're leading or working in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or business operations, this episode offers a different lens on growth. One that starts with the customer experience and works backward into systems and execution.Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Why do marketing teams keep adding approvals, processes, and controls… yet still struggle to move faster or perform better?In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Joe Bockerstette, Partner at Business Enterprise Mapping, to discuss what is really happening inside modern marketing organizations.Joe brings over 30 years of experience helping companies redesign how their business systems function. A former PwC partner and CPG leader, he focuses on mapping entire operational systems to reveal why teams produce the results they do and where friction actually lives.This conversation goes beyond surface-level process optimization. It explores how hidden system design drives delays, why adding more controls often makes problems worse, and how marketing teams can diagnose the root causes behind slow execution and inconsistent outcomes.Topics covered include:• What a “business system” actually means in a marketing context• Why organizations are structured to produce their current results• How approval layers and control mechanisms create bottlenecks• The difference between documenting processes and mapping systems• “Red Clouds” and how they expose operational friction and missed opportunities• Key differences between in-house teams and agency operating models• Practical ways smaller teams can start improving their systems without external helpIf your team feels stuck in cycles of rework, delays, or constant firefighting, this episode offers a clear framework to understand why and what to do about it.Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Social media is changing fast. Platforms are becoming search engines, video continues to dominate, and AI tools are rebuilding how people discover brands and information online.In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann speaks with Stephanie Gardner, a freelance social media and marketing strategist who works across B2B, B2C, nonprofits, and small businesses. Stephanie focuses on helping organizations build purposeful social strategies that align with real business outcomes rather than vanity metrics.The conversation explores how social platforms like Instagram and LinkedIn are evolving into discovery engines, why brands need to think in terms of searchable intent instead of hashtags and trends, and how the lines between search, social, and AI-driven discovery are rapidly disappearing.Stephanie also explains why follower counts and engagement can be misleading indicators of success, shares real examples of how smaller but more targeted audiences can drive better results, and discusses why executive visibility and employee amplification are becoming essential trust signals in B2B environments.Topics covered include: • The shift from social media feeds to search-based discovery • How Instagram, LinkedIn, and YouTube are evolving into search engines • Why intent-based visibility matters more than hashtags or trends • The difference between vanity metrics and real business impact • How smaller, targeted audiences can outperform large follower counts • The growing role of executive visibility on LinkedIn • How Marketing Ops teams should think about social, search, and AI togetherIf you work in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or digital marketing strategy, this episode offers a practical look at how discovery behavior is changing and what organizations should start preparing for now.Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Many Marketing Ops professionals eventually hit a ceiling. The work is important, the systems are running, but the influence over the broader go-to-market strategy remains limited.In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann speaks with Jackson Fisher about what it takes to move beyond execution and step into a more strategic role inside the business. Jackson recently completed ten years at the American Hospital Association, where he began in Marketing Operations and later moved into Product Development. As an early member of the MarketingOps.com community and part of the Founding 100, Jackson shares how his operations background helped him transition into a role focused on pipeline structure, revenue performance, and product strategy.The conversation explores how operators can translate their skills into business impact by connecting marketing activity to pipeline, pricing, and financial outcomes. Jackson also explains what it looks like to introduce pipeline discipline in organizations that lack a clear revenue structure and how Marketing Ops professionals can learn to communicate in the language of finance and revenue leadership.Topics covered include: • Recognizing when you have hit the Marketing Ops ceiling • Translating Marketing Ops skills into broader business impact • Building pipeline discipline in organizations without clear revenue structures • Connecting marketing activity to pricing, Salesforce data, and revenue outcomes • Creating strategic impact with a lean tech stack • Moving from order-taker to trusted GTM partner • Preparing for leadership roles in Revenue Operations and GTM strategyIf you are a Marketing Ops professional thinking about the next phase of your career, this episode offers practical insight into how operators can expand their influence beyond campaign execution.Be sure to subscribe, like, and share Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
In this honest and strategic conversation, Nick and I pull back the curtain on what's really happening behind most online businesses. We talk about why marketing is not just social media, why operations matter more than you think, and how entrepreneurs unintentionally light money on fire by skipping foundational steps. Nick shares what he's learned from 15+ years behind the scenes of major brands, events, and digital products. We break down the simple but powerful marketing flow most businesses are missing, and why driving traffic without capturing it is one of the most expensive mistakes you can make. We also explore the emotional side of entrepreneurship. The loneliness. The ego. The pride that says “I can do it alone.” And why the most successful entrepreneurs rise together, not in isolation. This episode is an invitation to stop guessing, stop reacting, and start building with strategy. In this episode, we explore: • Why 90 to 98% of website visitors never come back • The biggest mistake entrepreneurs make with social media • What a lead magnet actually needs to do to convert • Why long, overwhelming freebies hurt your credibility • The psychology behind quick wins and buyer trust • The difference between brand marketing and operational marketing • Why driving traffic to your homepage is usually a mistake • The purpose of a low-ticket offer and how it builds momentum • How to increase lifetime customer value through ascension and add-ons • Why most entrepreneurs feel alone and how to fix it • The common trait Nick sees in top-performing founders • How mentorship shortens the learning curve and prevents costly mistakes • Why transparency and integrity win in the long game Catch up with me on socials!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/melissadlugolecki/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/melissa.dlugoleckiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissa-dlugolecki-b24988141/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@melissadlugoleckiYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MelissaDlugolecki
Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!The traditional B2B marketing playbook is becoming irrelevant. At the same time, AI is fundamentally transforming how buyers research, evaluate, and purchase.In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann is joined by Naomi Liu and Mike Rizzo for a wide-ranging conversation with Jon Miller. Jon co-founded Marketo, helped define modern Marketing Operations, later co-founded Engagio, and is now the Co-Founder and CEO of a stealth AI startup focused on the future of buying behavior and revenue systems.This conversation challenges long-held assumptions about campaigns, MQLs, attribution, and the systems Marketing Ops teams have relied on for over a decade. Jon explains why rules-based automation is not sufficient now, how AI changes what marketing platforms must do, and what it means to move from campaigns to AI-orchestrated experiences.The panel also explores buying groups, lifecycle orchestration across anonymous and known buyers, and how Marketing Ops can operationalize trust, brand, and customer experience in a world where AI filters much of what buyers see.The topics that we covered include: • Why the traditional B2B playbook is no longer working • How AI shifts marketing from campaigns to orchestration • What it really takes to operationalize buying groups • Why MQLs and last-touch attribution are losing relevance • How Marketing Ops can build infrastructure for modern buying behavior • The evolving role of Marketing Ops in 2026 and beyond • Where AI is genuinely useful today versus oversoldIf you work in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or revenue leadership, this episode will push you to rethink the systems you are building and how artificial intelligence can transform them.Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals We're an official media partner of B2BMX 2026 — the B2B Marketing Exchange — happening March 9-11 at the Omni La Costa Resort in Carlsbad, CA. It's practitioner-focused with 50+ breakout sessions, keynotes, and hands-on workshops covering AI in B2B, GTM strategy, and advanced ABM. Real networking, real takeaways. And because we're a media partner, you get 20% off an All-Access Pass with code B2BMAOP at checkout. Head to b2bmarketing.exchange to grab your spot. MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com.Support the show
Got a story idea for Bloodworks 101? Send us a text message February marks the 100th anniversary of Black History Month, a time to reflect on the achievements and contributions made by Blacks in this nation. But as Bloodworks 101 producer John Yeager found out, it's also a time to look at some "pretty sobering numbers" when it comes to Black Americans and blood donation. For today's editon of Bloodworks 101, John spoke to Harry Thomas, Bloodworks Northwest's Vice President of Marketing Operations and Planning about those numbers and a new study of Black donors.Support the show
The marketing teams winning with AI today are not the ones chasing every new model release. They are the ones who found the boring, repetitive tasks their teams hate and automated those first.Nir Pochter, Co-Founder and CMO at Lightricks, joins Stephanie Postles on Marketing Trends to break down what AI actually means for creative workflows and why most teams are still using it wrong.You'll learn:- The "algebra problem" of AI adoption- How to save your design team 80% of their time- Why the gap between marketers who use AI well and those who don't is widening fast.- How to use an LLM scoring system to pre-review documents for you- The dangerous trend of "AI Marketer" job titles- What's really in store for the future of video+AI Key Moments:00:00 — Why AI Hasn't Improved Creative Output Yet02:06 — The Algebra Problem: Tools vs. Knowing How to Use Them07:27 — Nir's Background: AI PhD to Lightricks and FaceTune09:46 — What Used to Take Weeks Now Takes Minutes13:35 — Why Automating Everything Failed Miserably16:38 — Start with What People Hate Doing20:08 — The LLM Scoring System: Nothing Gets Reviewed Without an 8521:43 — Train Your LLM to Be Mean, Not Nice23:32 — Building Custom GPTs with Company Guidelines26:30 — The Pitfall: Using AI to Please Leadership28:47 — From Toys to Tools: Why Text-to-Video Isn't Enough31:05 — Coca-Cola's 70,000 Prompts (Was It Worth It?)34:41 — AI Won't Replace Creatives, But This Will37:04 — The Two Critical Skills: Prompting and Curation37:55 — How AI Multiplies the Skills Gap (7 vs 10 Example)42:47 — What CMOs Should Be Asking Their Teams46:20 — Why "AI Marketer" Is LinkedIn Fluff This episode is brought to you by Lightricks. LTX is the all-in-one creative suite for AI-driven video production; built by Lightricks to take you from idea to final 4K render in one streamlined workspace.Powered by LTX-2, our next-generation creative engine, LTX lets you move faster, collaborate seamlessly, and deliver studio-quality results without compromise. Try it today at ltx.studio Mission.org is a media studio producing content alongside world-class clients. Learn more at mission.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
The most future-ready marketing leaders aren't the ones chasing trends… they're the ones who can reinvent themselves every time the industry changes.Michelle Huff, Chief Marketing Officer at Alteryx, joins Marketing Trends to break down the mindset that kept her relevant through every major tech revolution, from Web1 to cloud, SaaS, PLG, and now AI. She explains how to balance curiosity with focus, why AI is really about automating judgment (not just tasks), and how she's redesigning her marketing org around agents, automation, and new workflows.Michelle also shares early results from Alteryx's AI experiments, how she's rebuilding a 700,000-person community, and why great leaders still start with the end user even as their buyer audiences expand. Key Moments: 00:00 – How to Stay Relevant Through Every Tech Shift03:42 – A Career Spanning Web1, Cloud, SaaS, and AI06:58 – Curiosity Is the Ultimate Career Advantage10:12 – When Leaders Should Tinker and When to Delegate13:28 – Building a Marketing Culture That Experiments16:41 – Why AI Is About Judgment, Not Just Automation20:07 – Inside an AI-Powered SDR Outbound Workflow23:34 – Do AI Agents Replace People or Elevate Them26:58 – Upskilling Teams in an AI-Driven Organization30:17 – Why Most AI Content Fails to Break Through33:36 – How to Stand Out in a Noisy B2B Market36:52 – Why Enterprise Brands Lose Touch With End Users39:48 – How Alteryx Built a 700,000-Person Community43:06 – Turning Community Into Competition and Learning46:32 – Early AI Wins That Drive Real Pipeline Impact This episode is brought to you by Lightricks. LTX is the all-in-one creative suite for AI-driven video production; built by Lightricks to take you from idea to final 4K render in one streamlined workspace.Powered by LTX-2, our next-generation creative engine, LTX lets you move faster, collaborate seamlessly, and deliver studio-quality results without compromise. Try it today at ltx.studio Mission.org is a media studio producing content alongside world-class clients. Learn more at mission.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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