Podcasts about UTM

We're back in the studio to break down our full experience at Universal's Epic Universe! From mind-blowing theming to major ride letdowns, we're ranking every major attraction by whether it's actually worth the wait. We're brutally honest about Mario Kart, in awe of the Ministry of Magic, and still laughing over Curse of the Werewolf. Plus, we reveal our must-have accessory to beat motion sickness on thrill rides.

In this episode of Owned and Operated, we sit down with Brandon Schlicter—better known as Investment Joy—to uncover how a small-town Ohio entrepreneur built a multimillion-dollar business portfolio by mastering real estate, laundromats, car washes, and commercial roofing.Brandon shares how his upbringing on a farm and early family struggles forged his hustle mentality. After getting his start in logistics and real estate, a single viral laundromat video catapulted his online presence, opening doors to massive business opportunities. Now, with a powerful social media brand and diversified service operations, he reveals how to scale a business empire while staying grounded in family and personal values.This conversation explores Brandon's tactical acquisitions, mindset for growth, and how he's building a team and culture that supports big ambitions. He also offers candid advice for entrepreneurs navigating the early grind and looking to align business models with long-term vision.

In this episode of Owned and Operated, we shift focus to a critical yet often overlooked pillar of business success: leadership development and management training. With insights from Amir of Snowball Industries, we dig into how identifying and nurturing potential leaders is foundational to scaling tier two and tier three service businesses.The discussion explores the evolution from technical expertise to soft skills as the driving force behind effective leadership. We unpack the core values that matter most—empathy, urgency, financial intelligence, and humility—and how they shape team culture, performance, and long-term growth. John and Amir also examine structured training programs, peer learning opportunities, and practical management tools that enable owners and operators to build sustainable, high-performance teams.For anyone acquiring or operating in remote and niche sectors like HVAC or turf installation, this conversation delivers actionable insight into creating a leadership framework that fuels operational excellence and employee retention.

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Libby Schell to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and LinkedIn ads. They explore the robust targeting capabilities of LinkedIn, revealing how businesses can harness this platform to maximize brand awareness and demand generation, but also advise against common missteps when approaching this expensive platform.Ensuring effective B2B marketing involves understanding and leveraging LinkedIn as a powerful tool for precise targeting and audience engagement. The discussion covers essential strategies like audience segmentation through job titles and functions, optimizing campaign objectives for different outcomes, and the impact of localization on ad performance. Libby shares her decade-long expertise in platform evolution, advising on the merits of Reach vs. Engagement campaigns, and emphasizing the importance of dynamic UTM parameters for measuring success.As the conversation unfolds, Evan, Ciara, and Libby shed light on using advanced LinkedIn features like revenue attribution reporting and the company engagement tab. They dig into optimizing advertising spend and understanding the critical metrics that matter most for campaign success. Dive into this illuminating session to grasp comprehensive, actionable insights that can transform your approach to LinkedIn advertising.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ciara HopkinsLibby SchellConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

In this episode of Jackcquisitions, we explore profitable small business acquisition strategies with Peter De Baptiste, owner of Joe Cole Plumbing in Florida. Peter shares his entrepreneurial journey—starting in banking, then leading a delivery service startup, and ultimately acquiring a plumbing company. Now, he's setting his sights on HVAC and turf installation businesses, uncovering high-potential, under-the-radar sectors in the home services industry.We break down the unique appeal of tier two and tier three service businesses, such as synthetic turf installation and residential HVAC. Peter and Jack discuss the financial performance, operational demands, and long-term scalability of these niche industries. Whether you're an investor or operator, this episode offers practical insight into identifying and evaluating service businesses with real growth potential.If you're looking to buy a service business or expand your portfolio in home services, this conversation delivers a wealth of real-world advice. Learn how to navigate smaller markets, understand what makes niche businesses attractive, and discover the lifestyle implications of owning versus operating in competitive sectors.

In this episode of Owned and Operated, we dive into how the team is leveraging Contractor Commerce to bring e-commerce to the trades. From selling water heaters online to experimenting with lead conversion strategies, the hosts explore what it looks like to run an online storefront for big-ticket home service items like HVAC systems and home generators.They break down the full journey—from initial impressions and setup to real-world implementation—and share the ups and downs of paid ad campaigns, membership features, and online payments. Plus, they speculate on how consumers may shift toward buying home services online and what they're doing to stay ahead of the curve.Whether you're curious about tech integrations or looking to streamline your sales funnel, this episode is full of firsthand insight into launching an e-commerce experience in the home services space.

In this episode, we're sharing our experience at the Nantahala Outdoor Center (NOC) in Bryson City, NC, where we spent a few days hiking, rafting, cozying up in the rain, and finding that perfect mix of stillness and adventure.We stayed in a treetop bungalow at The Hemlocks at NOC, explored a small portion of the Appalachian Trail, got soaked on a ducky trip, skipped mountain biking in favor of rest, and left with full hearts and sore legs.Whether you're looking for your next getaway or just need a reminder to slow down and breathe, we've got you.

In this episode of Owned and Operated, we sit down with AJ and Noah—the powerhouse founders behind Premier Home Pros—to reveal how they scaled their home services business from $0 to a projected $174 million in just three years.Launched from a dining room table in 2022, AJ and Noah built a home improvement juggernaut using proven sales systems, smart team building, and bold marketing strategies that fueled rapid growth. But their journey wasn't without hurdles. From expensive ad failures to tough people problems, they open up about what it really takes to scale at lightning speed.Whether you're aiming to grow your home services company, lead a larger team, or implement repeatable growth systems, this episode is packed with actionable insights, operator-tested frameworks, and real-world strategy breakdowns.

In this episode we sit down with Dr. Joey Rios, Chief Technologist for the Aviation Systems Division at NASA Ames Research Center, for a discussion on the evolution of Unmanned Aircraft Systems Traffic Management (UTM). Joey takes us through the early days of UTM development, reflecting on the foundational principles, the initial use cases, and how the vision has evolved over time. We dive deep into the challenges of airspace design, the reasoning behind the U.S. federated model, and how it compares to other global approaches. Joey also shares his perspective on current operations, including the Dallas Operational Evaluation site and how safe BVLOS operations at scale might evolve within and outside of the Mode C veil.  

Don't Fall for the Buyer's Trap: Why No-Marketing Businesses Aren't Easy Wins In this episode of Jackquisitions, we dive into a common pitfall many first-time buyers fall for—the belief that a business with little or no marketing is a “goldmine” just waiting to be unlocked. Spoiler: it's not that simple. Using the tongue-in-cheek example of an underwater basket weaving business, we break down the real costs of building out a marketing engine from scratch.Jack unpacks the "buyer's trap": the dangerous assumption that adding marketing will instantly generate revenue. In reality, successful marketing requires time, capital, and deep strategic focus—and that investment often erodes the profit margins buyers were initially excited about. Instead of chasing fixer-uppers, Jack recommends targeting businesses with established marketing systems already in place. It's about buying stability, not a project.Whether you're just starting your acquisition journey or knee-deep in LOIs, this episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to grow through home service business acquisitions without overextending financially.

John teams up with Sam Preston, CEO of Service Scalers, to break down the exact marketing strategies that move the needle for home service businesses. Whether you're HVAC, plumbing, or any trades business, you'll learn how to prioritize channels that capture demand today—before wasting money on ones that might (or might not) pay off later.Struggling to turn marketing dollars into real leads? This episode is your blueprint.From real-world wins to costly missteps, John and Sam unpack where most businesses go wrong—like blowing budgets on flashy billboards while ignoring Google Ads, LSAs, and SEO. This isn't theory; it's a tactical deep dive grounded in what's actually working right now.

Struggling to find great technicians or keep your best employees around? This episode is your playbook.We break down battle-tested recruiting strategies that helped scale real home service businesses—from plumbing and HVAC to general trades. You'll learn how to treat recruitment like a sales pipeline, maintain momentum year-round, and create a company culture that people want to be part of.This episode goes beyond theory. From incentive trips and performance bonuses to sharp branding, upgraded vehicles, and custom dashboards, you'll hear exactly how to build an environment that attracts and retains top-tier talent.

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Rozmowa Sławomira Kosielińskiego z Maciejem Włodarczykiem w ramach cyklu #rozmowywszechnicy [25 kwietnia 2025 r.]Z Maciejem Włodarczykiem, kierownikiem Ośrodka Rozwoju Systemów UTM i Operacji Bezzałogowych Statków Powietrznych w Polskiej Agencji Żeglugi Powietrznej rozmawia Sławomir Kosieliński, prezes Fundacji Instytut Mikromakro, organizator XII Droniady GZM.Drony są częścią rolnictwa 3:0 polegającym na nalotach i tworzeniu mapy, aby wiedzieć, co dzieje się na polu. Obecnie wchodzimy w rolnictwo 4:0, erę sztucznej inteligencji i technologii teleinformatycznych. Gwałtowny rozwój dotyczy nie tylko platform latających, ale też sensorów i jednostek obliczeniowych. To sprawia, że pozyskujemy ogromną ilość danych, z których możemy wyciągnąć wiele różnych informacji o uprawach. Drony w rolnictwie same się nie przyjmą. Mogą stanowić użyteczne narzędzie dla rolnika, ale tylko razem z innymi technologiami. To musi być układ naczyń połączonych z innymi technologiami używanymi w gospodarstwie. O dronach trzeba myśleć kompleksowo jako część systemu informatyczno–robotyczne­go. Na to nakładają się problemy techniczne i prawne. Duże drony, podlegają wymogom wyposażenia w spadochron i system rozłączający zasilanie. To nie ma sensu pod kątem normalnego wykorzystania i zwiększenia kontroli bez­pieczeństwa. Drony opryskowe latające do 5 m nad ziemią, raczej nie zdążą rozłożyć spadochronu w przypadku awarii.Porozmawiajmy właśnie o bezpieczeństwie i aspektach prawnych lotów poza miastem. O nowych maszynach rolniczych, czyli dronach. O roli samorządu gminnego w ich popularyzacji przy współpracy z Polską Agencją Żeglugi Powietrznej. Co mogą drony nad polami i jak z nich mądrze korzystać?Jeśli chcesz wspierać Wszechnicę w dalszym tworzeniu treści, organizowaniu kolejnych #rozmówWszechnicy, możesz:1. Zostać Patronem Wszechnicy FWW w serwisie https://patronite.pl/wszechnicafwwPrzez portal Patronite możesz wesprzeć tworzenie cyklu #rozmowyWszechnicy nie tylko dobrym słowem, ale i finansowo. Będąc Patronką/Patronem wpłacasz regularne, comiesięczne kwoty na konto Wszechnicy, a my dzięki Twojemu wsparciu możemy dalej rozwijać naszą działalność. W ramach podziękowania mamy dla Was drobne nagrody.2. Możesz wspierać nas, robiąc zakupy za pomocą serwisu Fanimani.pl - https://tiny.pl/wkwpkJeżeli robisz zakupy w internecie, możesz nas bezpłatnie wspierać. Z każdego Twojego zakupu średnio 2,5% jego wartości trafi do Wszechnicy, jeśli zaczniesz korzystać z serwisu FaniMani.pl Ty nic nie dopłacasz!3. Możesz przekazać nam darowiznę na cele statutowe tradycyjnym przelewemDarowizny dla Fundacji Wspomagania Wsi można przekazywać na konto nr:33 1600 1462 1808 7033 4000 0001Fundacja Wspomagania WsiZnajdź nas: https://www.youtube.com/c/WszechnicaFWW/https://www.facebook.com/WszechnicaFWW1/https://anchor.fm/wszechnicaorgpl---historiahttps://anchor.fm/wszechnica-fww-naukahttps://wszechnica.org.pl/#rozmowywszechnicy #drony #droniada #nauka #technologia #lotnictwo #bezpieczeństwo #obronność

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Libby Schell to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and LinkedIn ads. They explore the robust targeting capabilities of LinkedIn, revealing how businesses can harness this platform to maximize brand awareness and demand generation, but also advise against common missteps when approaching this expensive platform.Ensuring effective B2B marketing involves understanding and leveraging LinkedIn as a powerful tool for precise targeting and audience engagement. The discussion covers essential strategies like audience segmentation through job titles and functions, optimizing campaign objectives for different outcomes, and the impact of localization on ad performance. Libby shares her decade-long expertise in platform evolution, advising on the merits of Reach vs. Engagement campaigns, and emphasizing the importance of dynamic UTM parameters for measuring success.As the conversation unfolds, Evan, Ciara, and Libby shed light on using advanced LinkedIn features like revenue attribution reporting and the company engagement tab. They dig into optimizing advertising spend and understanding the critical metrics that matter most for campaign success. Dive into this illuminating session to grasp comprehensive, actionable insights that can transform your approach to LinkedIn advertising.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #paidads #googleads #paidsearch #paidsocial______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ciara HopkinsLibby SchellConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

Send us a textShownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/478Are you spending thousands on marketing but still unsure what's actually working for your law firm?Join Moshe Amsel and data expert Joshua Lauer, founder of Lauer Creations, as they dive into the world of marketing analytics for law firms. Joshua shares practical insights on how to finally pinpoint where your leads are coming from—whether online, offline, or through your community outreach—and how to use tools like Google Analytics, tracking pixels, and UTM parameters to  make your marketing investments count. Moshe and Joshua break down key strategies for connecting your website, CRM, and offline marketing so you can make data-driven decisions, cut wasted spend, and boost your returns.Listen now to gain clarity and confidence in your marketing strategy—so you can stop the guesswork and start growing your practice with proven data!Chapters[00:00] Introduction to Joshua Lauer and Lauer Creations[03:18] Joshua's Backstory: From Music to Marketing Analytics[07:35] The Legal Industry's Marketing Tracking Challenges[10:05] Marketing Tracking 101 for Law Firm Owners[12:53] Demystifying Pixels, UTMs, and Tracking Methods[17:02] Tracking Digital-to-Offline Conversions in Law Firms[18:43] Integrating Marketing Data with Legal CRMs[21:02] Measuring Offline Marketing (Billboards, Radio, Events)[25:17] Advanced Attribution: Marketing Mix Modeling for Law Firms[32:36] Parting Advice and How to Connect with Joshua LauerResources mentioned:Book your FREE strategy session today!: profitwithlaw.com/strategysessionTake the Law Firm Growth Assessment and find out how you rate as a law firm owner! Check out our Profit with Law YouTube channel!Learn more about the Profit with Law Elite Coaching Program hereLeadPagesKajabiGoogle AnalyticsClio GrowLawmaticsLead DocketConnect with Joshua Lauer: LinkedInJoin our Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lawfirmgrowthsummit/To request a show topic, recommend a guest or ask a question for the show, please send an email to info@dreambuilderfinancial.com.Connect with Moshe on:Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/moshe.amselLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosheamsel/

Still guessing that your customers are probably coming from Instagram? You're not alone—and you might be missing critical insights that could transform your sales.In this value-packed episode, Gloria chats with Kelsey Silver, a licensed therapist turned data strategist, who specializes in making analytics feel empowering (not overwhelming). Kelsey breaks down how to track where your customers actually come from using simple tools like UTM links, QR codes, and even smart social media keywords.This is the episode every product-based business owner needs to finally stop guessing and start tracking what works—even if you're allergic to spreadsheets.Understand Why Knowing Your Customer's Source Improves Marketing ROI

In this episode of the Simple and Smart SEO Show, Crystal Waddell chats with SEO consultant and BrightonSEO speaker Alyssa Corso about a topic every content creator should understand—SEO content decay. Alyssa shares how content naturally loses visibility over time and outlines a strategic process for updating content to improve performance and generate real business results.From identifying "money keywords" to understanding the phases of content decay, this episode is packed with insights on how to make your existing content work harder for your business. Whether you're a startup with limited resources or a seasoned marketer, Alyssa's practical strategies will help you tie your content efforts to revenue—and avoid wasting valuable time.

Welcome to another engaging episode of MOJO: The Meaning of Life and Business, where host Jennifer Glass delves into the often underestimated importance of tracking website conversions. In this episode, Jennifer is joined by Mark Harbeke, an expert in marketing analytics and founder of Harbeke Marketing, who brings a wealth of experience dating back to 2006. As many businesses invest significant resources into developing their websites, it's crucial to understand how visitors interact with these sites and convert into customers.Mark discusses his journey from journalism into marketing analytics, detailing the evolution of tools like Google Analytics 4 (GA4) and Google Tag Manager (GTM) to aid in this process. He breaks down the transition from GA3 to GA4, emphasizing the enhanced reporting capabilities and user-friendly interfaces that make it easier for business owners to track user engagement. Additionally, Mark introduces the concept of GTM, explaining its role in creating custom tracking events that shed light on the effectiveness of specific calls to action (CTAs) on a website.Listeners will discover the critical nature of analyzing unique visits, user paths, and other data points to optimize their websites and improve their return on investment. For those feeling overwhelmed by technical jargon, Mark and Jennifer ensure the discussion remains accessible, highlighting how even non-tech savvy individuals can implement and benefit from these tools. Furthermore, they touch upon the use of UTM parameters for detailed tracking of campaign performances.Whether you're a small business owner or part of a marketing agency, this episode offers practical insights and actionable steps to make your website work harder for you. Dive into this comprehensive discussion to enhance your understanding of GA4 and GTM and discover strategies to maximize your website's impact on your business success.About my guest: Mark Harbeke has been in the marketing industry since 2006 and founded his company, Harbeke Marketing in 2023. Mark helps small businesses to improve their website conversion tracking, including clients of marketing agencies and fractional CMOs. He also offers a video course that helps service business owners and solopreneurs to grow their leads pipelines.Keywords: Website conversion tracking, GA4, Google Analytics, Harbeck Marketing, website optimization, small business marketing, website conversion tools, website data analysis, user experience reports, e-commerce transactions, unique visitors, mobile visits, desktop visits, demographic data, GTM, Google Tag Manager, conversion events, UTM, Urchin Tracking Module, link tracking, form submissions, call-to-action tracking, conversion rate improvement, Facebook retargeting, Ad return on investment, website usability testing, online marketing strategies, analytics reporting, website traffic sources, email campaign tracking, lead generation analytics

Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Ever feel like your marketing data is giving you half-truths? You're not alone. In this eye-opening conversation with Dan McGaw, founder and CEO of UTM.io, we dive deep into the critical but often overlooked foundation of all marketing attribution: UTM parameters and proper data governance.We explore the real challenges marketing ops professionals face in implementing consistent UTM parameters across global organizations. Dan shares practical insights on how to transform your approach from the ubiquitous "UTM spreadsheet" to more robust systems that enforce taxonomies and ensure data quality. His advice comes with empathy for the marketing ops professionals caught between demanding VPs and busy campaign managers who "just want to get their job done."Whether you're struggling with attribution models, considering a CDP, or simply trying to bring order to chaotic UTM parameters, this episode offers practical wisdom from someone who's seen it all. Dan's parting advice? Start with a spreadsheet to solve 85% of the problem, then iterate until you're ready for specialized tools. It's a refreshing reminder that sometimes the simplest solutions lay the groundwork for sophisticated attribution strategies.Ready to bring order to your marketing attribution? Listen now and discover the power of proper data governance.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals Connect Scattered Data with AI AgentsExplore how easy AI can be with Forwrd.ai for Marketing OpsBuild AI agents that can predict, forecast, segment, and automate the entire data processing workflow -- integrating, prepping, cleaning, normalizing, analyzing, and even building and operating your models. With Forward, you can get it done 100 times faster. Support the show

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss data preparation for generative AI. You’ll learn why having high-quality data is the essential ingredient for getting valuable insights from AI tools. Discover how to ensure your data is clean, credible, and comprehensive, avoiding the pitfalls of ‘garbage in, garbage out’. Explore practical steps you can take to master data quality and make generative AI work effectively for you. Tune in to learn how to take control of your data and unlock the true potential of generative AI! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-data-preparation-for-generative-ai.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In-Ear Insights, we’re talking data preparation for AI this week both on the Trust Insights live stream Thursday at 1pm Eastern Time. Remember, the USA if you’re a non-USA person, the USA has moved to summertime already, and I thought we’d talk today, Katie, about kind of why this is important. We’ll talk about the how on the live stream, but we’ll talk about the why and to degree the what. So before we begin, let me ask you what questions do you have about data preparation for generative AI? Katie Robbert – 00:35 I don’t so much have questions because this is the kind of thing that I am specifically well versed in. Not so much the how, but the why. I did a panel last week at Worcester Polytech for the Women in Data Science, and this actually came up a lot. Surprisingly, the reason it came up a lot, specifically data governance and did good data quality, was there were a lot of questions around, what should I be thinking about in my degree? What should I be focusing on? If AI is just going to automate everything, where do I, a data scientist, where do I, a PhD candidate, fit in? A lot of the students there were academically focused rather than corporate field focused. Katie Robbert – 01:29 I took the opportunity to talk about why data governance and good data quality is a foundational skill that regardless of the technology is going to be relevant. Having a good handle on what that actually means and why it’s important. If you’re unsure of where to focus, that’s a good place to start because it’s something that is always going to be in style, is always going to be on trend is good data quality. Because if you don’t have good data going into these pieces of software, and generative AI is just another piece of software, you’re going to have garbage coming out, and the outcomes are not going to be what you want them to do, and you’ll spend all of these times with these models and your random forest analysis and all of your other things, and nothing good is going to come of it. Katie Robbert – 02:20 So that was a lot of where I took the opportunity to share with some of the students who were struggling of, well, if AI is going to do it, where do I fit in? And where I said where you fit in is data quality. Christopher S. Penn – 02:35 I think it’s really important to say because we obviously have been talking about this for a very long time. In fact, we have frameworks. In fact, you can find this on the Trust Insights website under our Instant Insight section about what generally good data looks like, and it’s the six C’s. It has to be clean, which is a big problem with generative AI data. A lot of it is not clean. Everything from misinformation and disinformation campaigns online to just garbage like people’s Reddit conversations, which typically fill the trash for the purpose of what you’re trying to do. It has to be complete, it has to be comprehensive. Christopher S. Penn – 03:15 So if you are, for example, I was looking this morning at different academic papers on detecting AI in text and to get a comprehensive view, you need to spend a lot of time finding all the academic papers on the topic. It has to be in the format that a human can use, but also a machine can use. And that’s a big focus of the live stream this week is what is that look like for generative AI? It has to be chosen well and has to be credible. Again, going back to are you loading garbage in that is not going to be helpful. This is a major problem with certain AI models like Xai’s Grok. X A Grok pulls a lot of data from the network formerly known as Twitter. That’s not a reliable data source. So no. Christopher S. Penn – 04:12 And like I said, Trust Insights has been talking about this since the day the company opened its doors about data quality. But this is the general framework that I wish more people used. And to your point, generative AI doesn’t change anything. It’s still the same six problems. Katie Robbert – 04:30 And you know, it’s interesting because I can sort of see the questions already starting of, well, I need clean data. Can’t generative AI clean it for me? Well, sure, it can do some of that, but you, the human, still need to know what that actually means. What is a clean data set? So it’s free of errors. You don’t have anomalies in it. Do you, the human, know what anomaly is? Generative AI might be able to look at and go, is this anomaly? Is this what you want in there? But if you don’t know, you, the human don’t know, you’re not going to have a good clean data set. You can run down the list of things in this data quality framework that you should know. That’s still a human thing. That’s still human oversight. Katie Robbert – 05:17 The machines can do the hard work of moving the numbers around in the cells and getting rid of erroneous things. You still need to know what that is exactly. Christopher S. Penn – 05:29 And there is. You can. It’s kind of like Ouroboros, the snake that’s eating its own tail. You can use gender of AI to do particularly aspect five of choosing data. This is something that we’ve done a lot of where you can have generative AI read the data and then classify it and say this is relevant, this is not relevant, this is relevant, this is not relevant. We did this recently for a client where they were looking for information, discussion about a particular type of healthcare, an aspect of healthcare, and unsurprisingly in the comments, which is part of the data we collected, there’s all these political rants that have nothing to do with what the client cares about. And so using generative AI to at least say, scale of 1 to 10, how relevant is this comment to what the client actually cares about? Christopher S. Penn – 06:21 Being able to choose the data better and get rid of the noisy garbage is really important. Katie Robbert – 06:30 Very practical and typical example, UTM codes. UTM codes are those tagging codes in Google Analytics and other web analytics pieces of software that tell you if you put a piece of content or a link out on an external channel like a social media or email or some sort of a paid ad, you can then tag it appropriately. So when someone takes action with that content or URL and comes back to your website, you know exactly what piece of content or what platform they came from. So often, and by so often I mean probably like 99% of the time this is unchecked. So don’t, you know, look up my numbers or try to fact check me, but 99% of the time people are forgetting to put a UTM tracking code or they’re putting the wrong UTM tracking codes on their content and their URLs. Katie Robbert – 07:31 So then they look at a system like Google Analytics 4 and like, wow, I’m doing really well in direct traffic, or wow, I’m doing really well in referral traffic because you forgot to put all the UTM, so all of your social content comes in as referral. What happens is people will then take that GA4 data without having cleaned it, without having gone back and make sure all the UTMs are correct, give it to a generative AI system and say, what should my marketing plan be for the next three months based on the data that I’m providing to you? Because they have complete data, they have chosen data, they have calculable data. It’s complete, it’s comprehensive, but it’s not clean, and it’s not credible. Katie Robbert – 08:27 If you’re missing two of those, what’s going to happen is you take that data that has not been structured correctly in terms of the right UTM codes, you put it into Generative AI. Yes, you get an output. No, you don’t get the right output. And then you take that plan that it gives you based on what you’ve given it and you say, this is our plan, let’s do more of this. Then three months later your CMO says, what the heck happened? We’ve lost all of our customers, we’ve lost all of our traffic. And you say, but I took the data that was complete and comprehensive and calculable, and I gave it to Generative AI, and this is what it told me to do. Does that sound like a common scenario, Chris? Christopher S. Penn – 09:09 It does. The analogy that comes to mind is like when you’re at the grocery store and you’re pushing the shopping cart, and one of the wheels just doesn’t work, it’s really annoying. Each of these aspects of data quality is like a wheel on a shopping cart. The more of them that are wrong, the harder it’s going to be to get that shopping cart to do anything. But even just one being off makes for an unpleasant experience. Like you go to the grocery store, one wheel doesn’t work on that thing. You’re like, I could put it back and get in a different cart because I don’t want to be constantly pushing against this cart because it always wants to steer right because that one wheel doesn’t spin right. That’s what this is. Christopher S. Penn – 09:40 This is the sort of the six wheels, and if even one of them is off, it’s a harder thing to steer. You have to do more work just to get the same result as if you had good data to begin with. Katie Robbert – 09:53 And so then the next natural question is, how do I know I had good data to begin with? Christopher S. Penn – 10:00 And that is a really big challenge, particularly for 2, 3, and 6, right? You can look at data and go, wow, that’s garbage. Right? There’s weird characters in the data, stuff like that. So number one, you can human inspect a lot of data and go, that’s just not clean data. That is just not even formatted properly. You can look at number four and say, okay, this is any format that generative AI can recognize, which is always language. One of the things that drives me up a wall is that people like, yeah, you have multimodal models that can read video and look at images and stuff like that. I’m like, yes, but it’s still a language model at its heart. It is still a token-based language model at its heart. Christopher S. Penn – 10:47 And as a result, what it’s doing is it’s turning video or audio or PDFs, and charts images into language. Behind the scenes, you can’t see that, but that’s essentially what’s happening. So the sooner you can get stuff into language, the better, which is why loading a spreadsheet to generative AI is a terrible idea, because it doesn’t know it’s language shaped, but it’s not language. But 2, 3, and 5 are the hardest, or 2, 3, and 6, the hardest parts for us as humans to look at. Go, is this complete? Right? That’s the first thing we have to do is say, is this complete? How would you know? And again, that’s where, again, gender of AI can be helpful. If you have tools like Perplexity or Gemini Deep Research or OpenAI Deep Research, you can say, what do I know? Christopher S. Penn – 11:37 What do you know about the consulting firm Trust Insights at TrustInsights.ai? And it will come back and it will say, here’s what is available on the Web. And you and I would be like, well, I forgot to mention. Katie Robbert – 11:52 Well, you know, it actually, it reminds me of when I was a little kid learning to read, and I knew a handful of words. And so I would pick up, I think at the time, I remember it had a red cover. It was like a Harriet the Spy book. But the only word I recognized in the book was the name Harriet. So I would go flipping pages, and I would look, Harriet, and then flip another page and go, Harriet. And in my brain, I was like, oh, I’m reading because I recognized one of the thousands of words. I mean, it’s sort of like, you know, understanding the difference between transgenic and transgender, two very different things. Katie Robbert – 12:33 And so perhaps, you know, just because you can say the word or that you know, know that the word exists doesn’t mean you necessarily understand what the word is. Therefore, I would say the same is true of these, you know, large language models that have been programmed by humans just because, you know. So in your example, Chris, a multimodal model, you know, it can read video, it can, you know, blah, blah. That doesn’t mean it’s getting it right. It can, you know, I can look at this screen and be like, oh, calculable. I might have a very different incorrect definition of calculable, or I might think it’s a different word altogether. You need to be doing your due diligence with these models to make sure that just because it looks like it’s doing the work doesn’t mean the work is coming out correctly. Christopher S. Penn – 13:23 Exactly. In fact, Katie, let’s do a little fun example of this in terms of data quality, because I just did this for myself this week, and I want your take on this. I want you to. We’re gonna. I’m gonna show you a list of words, and I want you to give me a numerical estimate of what that word means. Ready? Katie Robbert – 13:44 Sure. Christopher S. Penn – 13:46 Here are the words: never. Katie Robbert – 13:53 Okay. Christopher S. Penn – 13:54 What number would you assign with never? Like Donna scale? Zero to 100. Katie Robbert – 13:58 Oh, I’m gonna go with a zero. Christopher S. Penn – 14:04 Okay. What about almost never? Katie Robbert – 14:08 We’re going zero to 100. I would go like a 10. Christopher S. Penn – 14:13 Okay. What about very rarely? Katie Robbert – 14:21 It’s very close to almost very rarely, and almost never could be, like, the same thing. So I’m gonna go with like a 12. Christopher S. Penn – 14:28 Okay, let’s skip to the toward the end. What about almost always? Katie Robbert – 14:32 Almost always, like, on a scale of 0 to 100. Let’s go with like a 90. Christopher S. Penn – 14:38 Okay. I asked eight different models this exact question. This goes back to our whole thing about data quality. How do we even know what’s in the box? Right? And this is what the different models all said. For example, almost always was between 95 and 99. Now, here’s the thing that’s important when you’re writing prompts, when you’re creating data to feed into generative AI. If you specify in the writing style of Katie Robert, I almost always use this term. You said 90, and Gemini 2 is saying that’s 99. And GPT 4 is saying it’s 99. So you may even be saying words that you have a mental meaning, means, you know, 50% of the time. And somewhat. This is the fun one. Chat GPT. If I say Katie somewhat often uses the word hi, friends. Right. Christopher S. Penn – 15:32 I’m thinking 75% of the time, she writes that. And ChatGPT thinks it’s 30% of the time. There’s a big skew there. When we talk about data quality and working with language models, not only do we have to have does our data have to be good, but we have to know what the assumptions are in the machine. And what’s in the machine is different, and it’s different by model. Katie Robbert – 15:58 I also do appreciate that very similar to my confusion, almost never and very rarely came up, it looks like also as a confusion point for the different models, because you’re like, well, technically they’re kind of the same, but are they different enough? And that’s when you get into the semantics. And so specificity is key. And so if you want to leave the judgment call up to the model, don’t make sure you have full control. So if you say, you know, I almost never use the phrase hi friends, you really need to be specific about that and say I only use it once every post, or I use it once every few posts. You know, once every three posts. For example, I think the word “whelp”, W-E-L-P, Claude seems to think I use that every other sentence, which I don’t. Katie Robbert – 16:56 I use it. Let’s see. Infrequently we would have to change the system instructions to be I infrequently use it. It comes up occasionally. But if I say infrequently and occasionally, then the model is already confused. I have to pick one. Christopher S. Penn – 17:14 Just as a fun point of comparison, I’m going to hide this. Here are the two versions of Claude next to—they don’t even agree with each other within the same model family. So if you’re thinking I’ll just use quad, well, which version? In terms of again, going back to data quality, where this whole episode started is not only do you have to have data quality in terms of the data you put into language models, you need to have data quality in the prompts that you write, and you have to understand the words that you are saying. When we look at something like number five chosen here means the specificity of your prompt too. It’s not just the data going in, it’s also the prompt too. Your prompts, like we talk about things like knowledge blocks and ICPs as an example. Christopher S. Penn – 18:09 Your prompts have to have well chosen data that is complete but also comprehensive and chosen well so that it resonates with the model’s weird little internals. Katie Robbert – 18:21 I think about the when we all first got access to like chat GPT and we started prompting and were like, I want you to write a blog about the trends in SEO for 2025. That is not a well chosen prompt, you know. And we’ve you know, you can get our prompt engineering course at our Academy page and on our website, but the way in which people still prompt is very similar to that of, you know, I’m looking for a vegan recipe, but I’ve failed to tell you that I’m also allergic to six of the seven most common vegan ingredients. Katie Robbert – 19:07 So therefore, I’m going to get frustrated and think that the machine is the problem, not that I’m the problem because I forgot to tell you that I I’m allergic tofu, I’m allergic to soy, I’m allergic to nuts, I’m allergic to beans, I’m allergic to, you know, alfalfa sprouts, whatever. The thing is, but I still want a vegan recipe, and I’m still going to demand that you give me one, and I’m going to get frustrated when you can’t comply with that. Christopher S. Penn – 19:31 That is a perfect example, because that is. You’re missing number two, which your prompt is not complete. You’re missing number three, your prompt is not comprehensive. And number five, it’s not chosen well, right? It is. There’s things wrong with your prompt that when you give it a really short prompt, you’re like, why doesn’t it work? We—I saw this was last week in, oh, I think it was the Marketing AI Institute, Slack. Someone’s like, my prompt’s not working. And I said, can, can you share it? And the person shared, and it was like this long. Like, it’s not doing a good job of developmental editing. My, my cut post, I’m like, well, it’s this big, right? Developmental editing is a profession you can’t get. It’s, you know, cram an entire profession into five lines. Christopher S. Penn – 20:17 I mean, you can, but it’s not going to do it. It was not complete. It was in no way comprehensive. It also was not credible because it was mixing up concepts of the difference between review and writing are totally different. So the, even the words and the language were not chosen well. This data quality framework, when we talk about data quality and generative AI, applies to your prompts because prompts are just— Katie Robbert – 20:41 Another form of data I always go back to. Prompting is nearly if not completely identical to delegating a task to a human. We often get frustrated, and this is why management is so hard. We get frustrated with the people we’re trying to delegate to because we as the managers or we as the humans delegating, don’t give enough information. We say, I want you to go write me a report on the Statue of Liberty and its origins. Okay, that sounds pretty good, but I might have a different idea in my brain of what I actually want included in that report, how long I want it to be, how I want it formatted, what font it’s supposed to be in, what, when I want it delivered, how I want it delivered. But I haven’t then conveyed that information to you. Katie Robbert – 21:35 Chris, the person who I’ve asked to write the report. So you’re going to go ahead and write this report based on the information I’ve given you. You’re going to hand it to me, and I’m going to say, that’s not what I want, you wasted your time. And then I’m going to go ahead and be like, all right, you’re on a performance improvement plan. Good luck. For the next 30 days, I’m the problem. I’m the one who didn’t give you all of the information you need. But now I’m looking to you, the one that generated the information, to say you got it wrong. It’s identical to delegating to a person. Katie Robbert – 22:08 If you are not giving enough information, if you are not looking at the six Cs of your data quality, both for the machines and for humans, as you’re asking things of these systems, you’re not setting yourself up for success, you’re not setting the person or the system up for success, and you’re not going to get what you want. Christopher S. Penn – 22:30 Exactly. If you take nothing else away from this, one of the better prompt frameworks, if you can’t remember any other ones, is actually the 5Ps. Writing a prompt using the 5Ps is like writing a good delegated task using the 5Ps. Here’s what you’re going to do today, here’s why you’re doing it, here’s who it’s for, here’s what’s expected to be in it, here’s the tools that you should use or the techniques you should use. Here’s what I expect as the outcome. I find more and more as models get smarter and reasoning models in particular, we’ve talked about in past episodes, can handle more of the how to do something. They still need to know why they’re doing it and what they’re doing. Christopher S. Penn – 23:07 I find personally, I use the 5Ps as a mental framework to say, okay, does my prompt have all these things in it? Because with that I can go, oh yeah, I forgot to define the stakeholder. I forgot to find who’s reading this output or whose output is for. Oh, I forgot user stories. Whoops. Oh, I forgot that it has to be in markdown format, and these—that’s the platform. It has to be in markdown or has to be in YAML or has to be in Python. Oh, I forgot it has to be in this. The five Ps is a great mental shortcut to say my prompt is not—why is my problem not working? Because I’m missing one of these five things. Katie Robbert – 23:44 Something that someone delivers to me versus something that someone delivers to you is likely going to be very different because we’re different people, we have different agendas, different needs, different ways in which we learn and take information. And whoever is putting that information together should be mindful of that. And it’s the same. Katie prefers something written, Chris prefers a video. Katie’s goals for the company are different than Chris’s goals for the company because the nature of the jobs that we do using the 5P framework. I think is a really good place to start. And let’s see. Oh, because all my banners went away. If you want your copy of the 5P framework, you can go to Trust Insights AI 5P framework, where it’s a free downloadable PDF that’s going to walk you through each of those P’s you can use that. Katie Robbert – 24:42 If nothing else, like Chrissy, you’re saying to structure your prompt so you can at least make sure you’re covering all of the major pieces that need to be included so that you get a really good outcome. And that covers your data quality. Christopher S. Penn – 24:55 Exactly. It covers the data quality. Because again, reasoning models are working out more and more of the how, but you need to provide the what and the why. And that is what the 5Ps excel at is. Here’s the what and the why. The how, yeah, it’s in process. But if you’re building out like a requirements document, you know that one P is going to be much larger than all the other ones. But as AI gets smarter, you can shrink that down to say, here’s what you need to do. You figure out how, but because that’s what reasoning models do. But I want it to be like this. And you have to have these things. Christopher S. Penn – 25:29 Here are the things not to do, which is a big one these days, particularly again with reasoning models, to say, I don’t want you to use data from Reddit, I don’t want you to use data from Twitter, I don’t want you to use non-credible data sources like Self magazine or whatever. If you’re doing academic studies of medical research, I don’t want to use Adam Peony’s healing crystal block. None of these things belong there as part of that second phase, right? Is my data complete? Well, you know, if you’re using, is my data credible? All of that belongs there. So to start wrapping up when it comes to data preparation for generative AI, it’s nothing new. It’s—this is like Katie, you always say, new technology doesn’t solve old problems. And these are the oldest problems we’ve been facing. Katie Robbert – 26:23 And this was the message that I was giving at the Women in Data Science panel last week. You know, again, as the question came up, well, where should I be focusing my studies on the basics, on the foundation, on how you communicate, on how you understand you still need to understand software development, even if AI is doing the majority of it, because you, the human, need to make sure that AI is doing it correctly. So even if it’s doing all the calculations and putting all of the logic together, you still need to understand how software development works because it’s likely going to get it wrong at some point. A lot of points, I think that was the big takeaway is AI. Yes. Is going to do a lot of the like how it’s done. Katie Robbert – 27:13 You still need to know why it’s done, when it’s done, should it be done. Christopher S. Penn – 27:18 Exactly. One of the things that Ethan Mollock from Wharton Business School says, which I think is very insightful, is as AI gets smarter, it makes smarter mistakes that are hard to detect. You need those fundamentals, you need that expertise of why and what so you can look at and go, that’s not how to do that. For some client work we’ve been doing recently, there have been a number of points where AI will produce functionally correct software, but that’s not how you do it. So I would encourage folks, if you are interested, to learn some of the how to Tune into our Trust Insights Live Stream. You can stop by every Thursday afternoon at 1pm Eastern Time. Fair warning, that is Eastern Daylight Time now in the USA, so adjust your clocks properly. Christopher S. Penn – 28:08 You can go to timeanddate.com for a useful calendar so what time the show is actually on. If you’ve got some things you want to share about how you’re approaching data preparation for generative AI and how you are getting ready data ready for AI and you want to share your experiences, pop on. Buy a free Slack. 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Trust Insight services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. Christopher S. Penn – 29:35 Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and Martech selection and implementation, and high-level strategic consulting encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic, Claude Dall-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Metalama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as a CMO or data scientist to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In-Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What live stream webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights are adept at leveraging cutting-edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations. Christopher S. Penn – 30:33 Data storytelling—this commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources, which empower marketers to become more data driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid-sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results. Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical expertise, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever-evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. 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In this solo episode, Dave shares his POV on marketing with answers to a bunch of burning questions, including:Balancing Brand vs. DemandWorking with the sales team vs. serving customersHow to inject personality into your brandThe most successful marketing campaigns Dave was a part of in his careerHow to plan and brainstorm good marketing ideasThe biggest mistake marketing teams makeHow to structure a marketing teamHow did you know it was the right time to start your own company?How to best differentiate in a crowded competitive market with similar feature offeringsTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Dave (04:40) - - Balancing brand, demand, and customer-centricity in marketing (07:18) - - Infusing personality into marketing (11:38) - - Most successful marketing campaigns and why they worked (19:00) - - The concept of marketable moments and creating momentum (22:53) - - Marketing at Drift and Privy (24:47) - - How to plan and brainstorm campaign ideas (27:48) - - Biggest mistakes marketing teams make (29:20) - - Structuring marketing teams for different business needs (30:07) - - The journey to starting Exit Five as a company (32:30) - - Brand marketing versus demand marketing for scaling startups (35:08) - - Differentiating positioning in a crowded market (38:34) - - Closing thoughts Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You've heard it before – every B2B marketer's top pain point is marketing attribution. It's complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That's where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what's driving results (and what isn't) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He's so passionate about solving this problem, he's offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand's performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don't want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

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Skip the Queue is brought to you by Rubber Cheese, a digital agency that builds remarkable systems and websites for attractions that helps them increase their visitor numbers. Your host is Paul Marden.If you like what you hear, you can subscribe on iTunes, Spotify, and all the usual channels by searching Skip the Queue or visit our website SkiptheQueue.fm.If you've enjoyed this podcast, please leave us a five star review, it really helps others find us. And remember to follow us on Twitter  or Bluesky for your chance to win the books that have been mentioned in this podcast.Competition ends on 5th February 2025. The winner will be contacted via Bluesky.  Show references: Website: https://www.agility-marketing.co.uk/https://www.agility-marketing.co.uk/service/digital-advertising-survey/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liz-dimes-agility/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anitaagility/ Liz Dimes is a Digital Marketing Director for visitor attraction specialist, Agility Marketing and the lead behind their digital advertising and conversion optimisation strategies. She boasts over a decade of experience in delivering tangible results. With a relentless drive for results she has steered impressive returns for clients across the attraction industry. Anita Waddell is MD and founder of Agility Marketing, visitor attraction marketing specialists.  Anita has been a Visit England judge, currently sits on the BALPPA Management  Committee and looked after the National Farm Attraction Network during Covid.Anita fell in love with the sector during her first ever marketing role at London Zoo.   Having always worked in the attraction sector, she founded Agility at the start of the millennium.  In total, across her career she has worked with over 70 attractions.With a passion for digital and data driven marketing, she adores seeing clients get results and enjoys mentoring her team to deliver winning campaigns. Transcription:  Paul Marden: Welcome to Skip the Queue, a podcast for people working in and working with visitor attractions. I'm your host, Paul Marden. For many regional attractions, the Head of Marketing is a one person marketing machine expected to be all over digital, email, social and out of home advertising. In today's episode we're joined by Anita Waddell and Liz Dimes from Agility Marketing who'll be sharing insights from their attraction marketing academy to help power up your marketing in 2025. After starting her career in attractions marketing at London Zoo, Anita has run Agility Marketing for over years, working with clients like Camel Creek and Blackgang Chine. Liz is the expert behind Agility Marketing's digital advertising and conversion optimization strategies, having found her love for visitor attractions when joining Agility in 2017. Paul Marden: Liz, Anita, welcome. Skip the Queue. Anita Waddell: Thank you. Liz Dimes: Great to be here. Paul Marden: So this is not our first episode of the new year, but it's the first episode we're recording in the new year. And as I was saying before we started, my rule is that I can still say Happy New Year up until the end of January as long as it's the first time I've said Happy New Year to somebody. So Happy New Year to both of you. Liz Dimes: Happy New Year to you. Anita Waddell: Happy New Year. Paul Marden: As you know, we always get started with an icebreaker question. So I've got a couple of little icebreakers for you and they are topical, relevant to where we are right now. So I'm going to go with Liz. Which is better, Christmas Day or New Year's Day? Liz Dimes: Christmas Day. Although I must admit I prefer the run up to Christmas than the actual day. Paul Marden: Oh, okay. So it's the excitement of going out and doing all the prep and the present wrapping and yeah.Liz Dimes: Christmas trees, pretty lights, shiny things. Excitement. But yes, I think I'd definitely choose Christmas Day over New Year's Day. Paul Marden: It's funny, isn't it? Because we'll split. I'm definitely Christmas. Much more Christmas than New Year's. I'm quite happy on New Year's to be sat watching hootenanny on telly while I'm going out and doing a big go out and party with lots of people. Liz Dimes: But absolutely, I agree.Paul Marden: my age, but there we go. Anita, do you chuckle the Christmas decorations and the lights into a box and throw it into the loft or are you Ms. Neat and everything is neatly folded and packaged away ready for future Anita to thank you and be able to do everything easily next week? Anita Waddell: I would love to say I was the latter, but having done that on Sunday, I think it's more about getting them away in a box and deal with the problem next year. So, yes, so, yeah, I aspire to be the neat queen, but unfortunately it is just, yeah, time takes its toll and it's a matter of getting the job done. Paul Marden: There's a real spread in our house. Mrs. Marden is tidy it away as fast as you can. I will sit there literally for hours straightening all of the out and making sure that it's right. And then next year you can figure out who was responsible for the packing away because you could just see it straight in front of you. Liz Dimes: I saw a recommendation the other day, actually, that you should put sort of £20 or something in with your Christmas decorations so when you get them out next year, you can buy yourself a takeaway while you're sorting them out from last year's. You. I didn't do it, but I thought that was a brilliant idea. Paul Marden: So I came back to work on Monday and I went. All the stuff from the office was all packed away and I went to put it in the storage locker and we share our storage with the building owners and I just found the Christmas tree stuck in the cupboard fully decorated and I think, is that really putting the decorations? Is that really taking it down? Have you broken the rules or is ihat really a cunning plan?Anita Waddell: That's one way of doing with it, isn't it? Definitely. Paul Marden: Exactly. Look, we have got lots to talk about, but first tell me about yourselves and tell me about your background. Anita, tell me a little bit about you. Anita Waddell: I suppose visitor attractions has always been my thing, ever since my first marketing job, which was at London Zoo many years ago, I caught the bug really. But I suppose I was at London Zoo. I was very. They weren't in the strong financial situation, so there was actually a recruitment ban. So I was a young aspiring marketeer who joined the company. And as everybody who was experienced and worried about their own career path left, I just absorbed their role. So over the spate of three years I had a huge amount of experience and from there then left to become a marketing manager of a much smaller attraction. Anita Waddell: And having doubled their numbers from, you know, up to over 200, 000 over a year, I suddenly thought, hold on a minute, I actually, this is really fun industry and something that's actually, I can do okay. So from there I went on and ended up working for an agency myself who were specialists in visitor attractions. And then 20 years ago I thought, “Well, hold on a minute, maybe I should try this for myself. Maybe I can have my own agency.” I thought, “What's the worst that can happen?” I just have to go back and do the day job again. So over those years more people have joined me. I've got three cracking directors, really good senior leadership team and Agility now is a visitor attraction marketing agency. Paul Marden: Amazing. How about you, Liz, how did you get into this industry? Liz Dimes: Well, I started in a very different interest. I did an automotive and I started doing more PR than marketing definitely, but it just wasn't. I enjoyed it a lot and I learned a lot about cars but it wasn't really my passion so I sort of left and thought I'm going to try something else. I was more interested in learning about the digital marketing as that was really starting to kick off in the world at that point. So I got a digital marketing role at a business school which was near to where I live, which is very different. And I really started to get the bug for the digital marketing aspect and just in general enjoyed learning more and more and more about that. Liz Dimes: But the whole sort of B2B business school side, little bit dull for me if I'm totally honest. So. And actually that business all got sold to another one so I was made redundant at that point. So it gave me a little bit of a chance to sort of sit back and go, right, what do I actually want to do? And digital marketing was definitely the thing, particularly sort of paid advertising for me. And that's when I found Anita and Agility Marketing and they happened to have the perfect role for me and that was in 2017 and then just loved the industry very quickly from joining and sort of have no intention of ever leaving it, to be honest. Paul Marden: It's super fun, isn't it? It's fun doing the marketing thing that we do in this particular space because it's all about helping people to enjoy themselves. Liz Dimes: So what could be more fun and families and I have a, I've got a five year old so I really in that moment at the moment, I'm my own target audience at the moment, which is always nice. Paul Marden: Yeah, absolutely. So one of the things that Agility has recently done is set up the Attraction Marketing academy and I think today we're going to talk, not talk about that, but we're going to talk about some of the stuff that you cover in that academy. So why don't we just start by telling listeners a little bit potted understanding of what the Academy actually is so. Anita Waddell: I mean the Academy is what it says on the ting. It's a marketing academy for visitor attractions and it actually, the re. Where it came from was out of COVID Some obviously don't want to go back to Covid ever again. But during that time everyone was in survival mode and they really shared, they collaborated, they did everything they could to work with each other and once life got back to normal a bit more, that collaboration stopped. There wasn't the need for it but we really enjoyed sharing all of our knowledge and expertise during that time. So the Academy was really has really been born to allow us to continue to do that. So it is a visitor attraction masterclass I suppose. So we have pre recorded content, we have fresh content through live sessions monthly. Anita Waddell: We have ask me anything clinics so people can, our members can jump on board and say, look, you know, actually we had a brilliant ask me anything clinic in December where they were, were talking about events for one particular member for the forthcoming year and there were loads of fresh ideas that came out of that for her. So it is really providing that mentoring but also that detailed knowledge and expertise which all attractions, if you're a one man band, you don't necessarily have, you're having, you know, you have to be jack of all trades. So. So we're a helping hand really. Paul Marden: Yeah. I think it's really interesting, isn't it, that many of the attractions that we deal with are massively well known brands but actually when you look at the team behind it, they are more like a small business or small to medium sized business. They often don't have massive teams even though they're brands has massive recognition and you can often be quite surprised, can't you, that it is this kind of one person marketing machine at the centre of what is a really well known brand. It's quite surprising sometimes and I think the more we can do to support those people the better really. So why don't we delve a little bit into some of the stuff that the Academy covers and then we can talk a little bit about some of the ways that marketers can help improve their outcomes for this year ahead. Paul Marden: So one place to start is always about benchmarking. This is something that at Rubber Cheese we find really interesting and we care a lot about with our Rubber Cheese survey. But I think benchmarking and understanding where you are against the competition is not competition against the rest of the sector. I should say is really important because you can understand what good and bad is can't you? And this is something that you guys care quite a lot about as well, isn't it? Liz Dimes: Absolutely. It's really at the heart of everything we do for our clients. We benchmark with the industry. That's the brilliance really for us of working solely in the visitor attraction industry. We can really see what's the good, bad and ugly of all things marketing within that industry. So we recommend that you'd benchmark everything really. But obviously it depends on what you're doing. So you'd benchmark your socials, your emails, your website performance, your reviews, your paid advertising results, just anything you, anything that you collect data on for you. If you don't know whether that's good or bad, how do you know what you're looking at really with your data? Liz Dimes: So  you might see that this year you were 2% up on your last year's results and think, great, but if everyone else is 10% up, then actually maybe there's something key in there that you're missing that would really be a quick fix for you to do. And without knowing that it's impossible to do that, it really, I mean, the majority of the benchmarking we do is digital advertising because that's, it's 70% of our work for our clients. But as say we do benchmark across everything and by benchmarking we know that we can ensure that we're optimising well to make sure that we're achieving the best results possible for all our clients. And at the end of the day that's what we're here for and that's what we all do. Liz Dimes: I'm going to push this over to Anita a little bit, but it's because benchmarking is such a key thing for us. We've actually got a new initiative we're announcing now in January. So I'm going to let Anita do that. Paul Marden: Oh, come on then. Drum roll, Anita. Anita Waddell: Okay, so this spoilers. The inspiration of this came from Rubber Cheese and your website benchmarking for the visitor attraction sector. And we benchmark all the time. But actually we know that we work with 15 to 20 attractions across the year. But you know, the attraction sector is so much bigger. And what we wanted to do was launch an industry wide survey on digital advertising so people can identify how big their budget should actually be for digital advertising. What performance, what click through rate, what cost per acquisition, what cost per click is actually good and average across all of the platforms. For example, we know in our business a lot of our clients will use the Google search, Google performance match, Meta, TikTok. Anita Waddell: But we also know that when we start working with some attractions, they're only using Meta or they're only using Facebook. And so it's really just taking a broad brush of the sector to actually understand what is happening out there across whether it be theme parks, whether it be a heritage attraction, whether they're a zoo. Just a broad brush to really give something back to the sector. Like you've done with Rubber Cheese. Really. Paul Marden: I think it's so important, isn't it? Because paid advertising can be a bit scary for some people because it feels a little bit like you're gambling or it feels like a fruit machine. But I always think that it's a fruit machine where you can figure out the odds. And once you figure out the odds, you just have to decide how much money you can pump into the top of it and magically at the bottom money comes out in relation to the odds that you've calculated. But if you can across the sector. Anita Waddell: Yeah, exactly. I mean, the beauty of digital advertising is that it is, you know, there is a system and a process to it. So you know that you've got to get people to your website. You know you've got from the website, you need to get into your landing page at every stage of the journey. Coming back to benchmark working, you can identify what is working well and what actually can be tweaked to optimise it even further. And we've got clients now after Covid, there was with that when we focused purely on. Well, actually to be honest, during COVID there wasn't a lot of marketing going on at all because people were so desperate to get out the organic, social and email marketing could just cope with it. Anita Waddell: But then people came back and they started to do a lot more out of home. But now we're finding clients are actually saying this year in particular with the increased costs in the budget. Sure. We know we get a lot of, we know we get a lot from digital advertising. Shall we actually reduce our home budget and put more into digital advertising because it's more measurable and that confidence can be given. Paul Marden: We've all only got limited budgets and it's all about deciding where the best place to spend your money is. So, yeah, we'll come back to this benchmarking point a little bit later, I think, because I think is really important. But let's dive into some of the channels that marketers can use and talk about some tips and tricks across each of the channels. Maybe should we start with social? Is it important top attractions? I think you've already answered that. But how important? Liz Dimes: I guess I think it's very important. I think we all know that's where people spend their time at the moment. Depending on who you're. Because in general as a sort of blanket, a lot of the target audience for all attractions is very similar. But depending on where you are you a tourist destination, are you more of a regional destination, are you a heritage site, are you a zoo? It will depend. So. But most of those audiences are spending a lot of their time on socials. But because of that and because everyone knows that their concentration is much less, your competition is much higher. But you see, but you got to be there. If you're not there, you're not in with a chance. So it is, it's incredibly important and I think it's about what should your focus be. Liz Dimes: So actually if you are a one man band and you have a certain amount of hours in the day to do it, what are you going to focus on? Maybe pick two or three. So if you are going to pick two or three, I think at the moment you would pick Instagram, TikTok and Facebook, still. I know we all think Facebook is disappearing, but the grandparents take their grandchildren on these days out. Paul Marden: Exactly. And that landscape of the different social platforms was stable for a very long time, wasn't it? But it's changing quite a lot. So should you be on Twitter? Is it a scary place to be now? Should you be on Bluesky? But, but in you're saying TikTok still, Facebook, Instagram, those are the key places that you should be focusing attention. Probably. Liz Dimes: Absolutely. I think if you've got extra time, if you have extra resource, then absolutely test those extra platforms out and see where you've got. But actually if you're, if your time is limited, then focus on doing the best for the top platforms of where your audience are. And at the moment we believe, and all the data believes for that for our audiences it's Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Paul Marden: Yeah. And, and what are the basics that you've got to be covering there? What should they be posting about? To be able to kind of meet the bar. Anita Waddell: I feel the key with social media is that you know you can, it's got to convey a message that is going to provide overall reason to visit. So you need to get your planning right. And so yes, you want to have different formats and you want to make the posts are not wallpaper posts and you want to make sure that the post you're saying are said. You know, the same message is said in three or four different ways but ultimately you know, you're trying to stimulate an action and whether that's just engagement at this stage, you know, people aren't necessarily going to visit immediately after seeing a post but if they engage then see more posts and over time when they do want, they do want that day out, you'll be in their, in their top of mind. Anita Waddell: So I think the key we always say is like no, make sure you get your planning right. Your, your commercial messages in January are going to be totally different to your commercial messages in Summer or Easter when you know, in January you might be thinking about we've got, we need a value, a volume driver promotion because people haven't got any money. We want you Season passes are always sold in the first few months of the year. So you want to make sure you've got some promotion, you've got your season pass messaging out there. So it is, you know, make sure you've got your planning and messages right and from there you can then be creative as you like. But you've got to make sure that you're saying the right thing. Paul Marden: Let's follow that thought. What are the special little sprinkles that people could do this year to really energise their social media? What is it that they can do to inject that creativity? Anita Waddell: I think different formats, I think, you know, you can say the same thing, overlook different formats to really make them zing. Liz Dimes: One of the things we're really seeing good trends on and again this does depend on who you have in your team. But if you've got a member in your team who is willing to be on camera and is entertaining, is witty, can be a bit different. There's, there's a few attractions that are doing this really well already. But if there's something about. So we all talk about user generated content and absolutely you should be sharing user generated content. You should be making your most of your micro influences and your. All that kind of thing. But actually there's sort of EGC which is Employee Generated Content as well. And I think a bit of behind the scenes is still works well. Liz Dimes: A bit of witty content from someone and if you' the right person who's willing to do it and has the great personality and is happy to be on screen, then please take advantage of that person. Really, please use it. Because also they'll probably really enjoy it. I mean, there's a number of attractions where I know because we've spoken to them, where they're sort of bit famous. So yeah, people go round, go and they spot them and they want to go and say hi to that person and that. And if it's the right person who's comfortable with that, they really enjoy that. Yeah, so if you've got that person, go for it. That's a real, it's a real trend at the moment that's working well. Paul Marden: Okay, let's move channels then. Let's talk about email marketing because interestingly, in the Rubber Cheese survey this year, the data that we had showed that this was the weakest source of leads for attractions. Now, as I always say when I talk about our data, you know, there's statistics involved and you know, what we know is about the data set that is in front of us. It's not always completely reflective of the entire sector. So is that illustrative of what you guys see as well or is it more effective than that for you? Anita Waddell: I think I would say that we measure our email marketing. We put UTM codes on all of our links so we can actually track effectively. I would probably say they're not seeing it either because they're not tracking it effectively and UTM codes are so easy to set up these days or they're not. You know, the end of the day, the emails is a channel of communication. So if your email says exactly the same thing every single month, you just need to, with your, with your programming. And I think programming is going to be such a big thing, continue to be such a big thing this year. You need to really stimulate that repeat business. Really stimulate, give people a reason to revisit it. Your email marketing needs to be saying something different every single time. Anita Waddell: Otherwise people will just get bored with it. So I would say it's those two things. Paul Marden: Yeah. So it's all about keeping the faith. It is a valuable channel. You should focus on it. But you need to be able to have all of the tracking in place so that you can attribute the leads to that source and then a decent story to tell that's going to engage people. Anita Waddell: The only other thing I would say is that, and I don't. I think most people have got their heads around this now. But GDPR, when it came out, everyone was terrified of not getting, you know, you can only email people if you get an opt in. Well that's correct. That's one method of consent. But with legitimate interest, if they visited you already then you've got a reason to remarket to them as long as your Privacy Policy is correct and you've your, your everything else. So I think that's why some people go out. Some people are, we're amazed when we start conversations that they still are asking people to opt in and not using legitimate interest. So that could be another reason why in your survey results they were a bit skewed. Liz Dimes: I think there's quite a bit of scaremongering out there a little bit with email marketing at the moment because Apple are, they have updated their privacy settings a while ago which means that effectively when you're looking at your email results anything that's gone into an Apple mail will be marked as open even if it's not. So effectively your open rates are a little bit pointless since that update. So what's important to look at is your Click Through Rates because then you know those people have opened it and then how many have clicked through. Which is why the UTM codes are particularly useful because that helps with that. The other thing that Apple are doing at the moment is they're suggesting they're going to start the sort of promotions tab. I can't remember what their terminology is. Liz Dimes: Like you have in your Gmail when you log on your laptop, on your desktop as opposed to in your phone. So that will affect, that absolutely will affect email marketing. But what it will affect is email marketing that isn't tested, updated, optimised and tried and best. So if you do just keep doing what you're doing. Absolutely. Your email marketing is gonna, you're gonna lose on that. Paul Marden: So good email marketing is a worthwhile thing to do. Liz Dimes: Absolutely. And it is about testing because actually one of the things that we don't know yet because it's not happened yet but one of the things that might work is by making sure, rather make sure you're not sending from a no reply or admin at or an info at send it from a person's email that's less likely to be marked as spam or promotions. So all these things are as these updates come through test if suddenly you see a massive drop off in your click through rate, something's happened. Try something different on the next go. Paul Marden: Yeah. Liz Dimes: So I think, I imagine people are worried about whether Email marketing is going to continue to work and there probably will come a time when it doesn't. But at the moment I think it's still an important part of the mix. Absolutely. Anita Waddell: I think for Life Stage as well, it's worth taking it into account because there's some real hard data that's come back which suggests that the younger audiences are not using email marketing anymore. And I think that's really, that's quite true. But that is that Life Stage or is that young people? And I think that will play out because when people get into the office world, the world of work, they start using email a lot more and they become more familiar with it. So I don't know if it's Life Stage or if it's actually happening. We work with Tullis and Tully's obviously run a lot of brands which are aimed at sort of a 20 to 30 year old market and one of their biggest drivers is still email marketing. Anita Waddell: So I think, yeah, I think, but I think as Liz said, measure, optimise, test, do all of that and it should still deliver. Paul Marden: Good. Let's cut to the web. What are the problems with websites that you're seeing for regional attractions at the moment? Liz Dimes: One of the things we see quite a bit is that people who look at their own website as them, not as their customer. So they'll look at their website on their laptop. Their customers are not looking at their website on their laptop. They will look at it as someone who already knows the product, who. And even if you think you're not, your unconsciousness does know. So I mean, the average for visitor attraction websites is that nearly 90% of your sessions are happening on a mobile. So if you are ever looking at your own website, please look at it on your mobile. It's so easy to go, “Oh, I'm on my laptop because I'm doing my admin work right now and my admin work includes. I'm going to have a quick look at our website.”Liz Dimes: If you are going to do it on your laptop, press F12 please, because if you press F12 on your PC, you'll be able to look at it as a mobile. It won't be quite exactly what it is in as a mobile, but it's a good go. Not everyone knows about F12, so hopefully that helps a few people. But I think that is a real, it's a real key thing that we do find that some people tend to look at their own website not as a customer. So really think about it. Liz Dimes: If you are, say your key audience is a 35 year old mother of two, one has a toddler and one is a school child, put yourself in that place or ask do you know someone, one of your friends, that audience, ask them to go through your website blind and is your customer journey working? Do they immediately understand what you are? Can they quickly find out your opening times? Can they quickly find. If you have parking, can they quickly book? Is the booking, is the. Is the push through to booking which at the end of the day is the ultimate goal for pretty much everyone. Really, really think about it as your customer. And I think sometimes that's really difficult to do when you're so ingrained in your own attraction. Paul Marden: I can't stop myself grinning like a loon. You're talking about my life. This is the conversation I have over and over again. User testing. That's one of the questions in the survey that always blows my mind. How few people do user testing and how few people do user testing on a mobile and putting themselves into the shoes of their customers. I don't care if you like your website or not. I care whether your customers can do what they want to do. That's the only thing I care about. That's a bit untrue. I'm playing to the audience a little bit. Liz Dimes: But no but it is so true. And I think there are. If you can't, there's ways you can look at it from a more sort of data perspective. If you're a data person in your. I know people are still getting their heads around GA4 and to be honest, so am I. Even though I'm in it all the time because they change it every five minutes, hate it and you have to build a lot of it yourself. But there are a lot of positives of GA4 as well. You can see relatively simply how many people are going from your homepage or your landing page or your event page, whichever page you want to look at. Liz Dimes: If you want them to go to your ticketing site because most people use external platform ticketing sites, what percentage are landing on that page and going where you want them to go. Now it will be a low percentage always, even if you've got a really good system because they will want to find out more on different things and in lots of ways you want them to. But actually if you've got a return visit on your website, really that's when they should be booking. They've had a look, they found out where you are, they've talked to their friends on WhatsApp. Yes, that is one of the key options. Can they really quickly get to your booking site and book have a look at that data? If you can. Liz Dimes: And if it's really low, maybe you haven't got the right call to action buttons on your page or they're not as obvious as you think they are because maybe you're looking at it on a desktop rather than a mobile. Paul Marden: Amen. Liz Dimes: Good. Oh, I'm pleased because you're the number one expert in the website, so I'm glad you agree with me. But there's. Yeah, there's lots of things, there's lots of quick wins by just having a look. Paul Marden: Right, let's just very quickly touch on some of those then. So what are the quick wins that people can do with their websites right now that is going to turn it into a lead generating machine for them? Liz Dimes: What is your load speed? Are people bouncing off because you're not loading quickly? If it is low, do something about it. What are your call to actions? Are they obvious? Are they clear? Have you chosen one key call to action per page? Don't confuse your customer. Their attention span is really low. Does it show off what you want it to show off? Those are the top three things I would say look at. Anita Waddell: The other thing I would probably add to that is look at your home page. Make sure you're updating it regularly and giving those people the reasons to visit. I'm often quite surprised how they update the rest of the website but then they don't update the homepage on what is coming and what's next and what's on and also what's on now. So I think, yeah, I would say look at the homepage. Think of the homepage as really a signpost page. Once they live there, you want, they want to go, they've got to find something on there that's going to interest them and so that would be my recommendation to add to that. Paul Marden: Good. So those are all great things to do once they hit your website, but you've got to get into the website in the first place. So let's talk about paid advertising because that's something that you guys do a lot of, isn't it? Yeah. And that's the thing that can drive reliable traffic to your website. So it's hugely important. Liz Dimes: Absolutely. Paul Marden: I bet there's some real howlers that you see when you're first engaged by a client and you come and look at what they're doing in paid advertising. What are those real gotchas that you see? Anita Waddell: God, it's like opening your. Yeah, go on, Liz. You can reveal some secrets of what people are doing. Paul Marden: This is therapy session. This is a friendly, safe space. Just unburden yourselves. Liz Dimes: Yes, we won't name any names, don't worry. Well, while we're talking about website, I think one of the things with paid advertising that people really don't, they forget to think about or forget how important it is what web page are you sending that traffic to? Because absolutely, it might be your homepage, if your homepage is the right page, but equally it probably isn't your homepage. It needs to relate to the ad you are placing. So I think sometimes it's the last thought. It's, “Oh, we want to do an ad, we want to do an ad, do it.” And then, “Oh, don't even think about where we're going to send it. Send it to the homepage.” So I would say that's a really key thing that people sometimes forget. Liz Dimes: And actually, if you think about again, always come back to what will the customer think? Would it annoy you if you clicked on an advert for red shoes and the ad opened a page for trousers? It would annoy you. So why would your customers not be annoyed if you click on an ad about summer and it opens a homepage and there's not a really quick call to action to get to that summer information? So again, always think about the customer. One of the other things. Well, the other thing that is incredibly important in our industry is your location. Who are you targeting, location wise? And we have regularly taken on clients who have done it themselves or had previous agencies or whatever, doesn't matter where it happened. Liz Dimes: And they're targeting the whole of the uk, maybe they're in Cornwall and they're targeting Scotland as well for a term time visit. Paul Marden: Right. Liz Dimes: Someone in Scotland is not going to drive seven hours to come to you for a day out. Look at where your customers come from, map them. If you can really find that, you've got that data. If you're taking online booking, you have got the data of where the people live who come to you, find out where those people live and use that information for where you're going to generate the best results for your targeting for your adverts. I think that's incredibly important in this industry.Anita Waddell: And I think it goes, that goes beyond just radius targeting. Oh, absolutely. You really do need to map your audience to find out where they're coming from because, you know, like road systems will change the direct. No, change the layout of where people come from. Competitors will change, will give your some areas higher propensities to convert those visitors than others. So it really is worth investing in some mapping geo mapping tools and time to get it right. Paul Marden: I bet this is probably. How long is a piece of string quite type question, but broadly is the paid advertising for attractions? You know, there were terms, there are search terms that people are going to be searching on that you're going to want to sponsor or you're going to be sponsoring things in social platforms. There are some spaces that are, you know, fantastically competitive and hugely expensive. I'm thinking car insurance. You know, it will, you know, the cost per click of that is going to be phenomenal, but the return on investment for them is great. Yeah. Is this space a competitive and expensive space or is it remarkably reasonably priced? Liz Dimes: That really is. How long's a piece of string, I'm afraid, when it comes to search. So if we're just going from a search perspective. So if you're using Google Search Ads, absolutely. It depends what the keyword you are using is, how expensive that cost per click is going to be and really. Or you can help it by having an amazing ad, having an amazing landing page and being really relevant and your location targeting being right for that place. So you can be the low, you can get yourself to the lowest in the range that's possible for that keyword, but you're never going to get a keyword that cost £2 to cost 10p. What you can do, and what I would always suggest you do is use more longer tail keywords, which is the correct terminology, longer tail. Liz Dimes: But so if you're, if you're using, rather than maybe using day out, use day out in Yorkshire, family day out in Yorkshire. So you're extending the, the detail of it. Yeah. And the more detail you have, the less competition there will be within Google. You can do some really good keyword planning and get an idea of what your, what the type of cost will be for the type of keyword you're going for. If we stick on the Google search point. Actually, one of the other real howlers we regularly see is people actively targeting or not realising they're actively targeting their own brand name and therefore. And Google's algorithm, if you're doing a list of keywords you're going for, will always do what works best. Liz Dimes: So if you have either on purpose or accidentally put your brand name in there, all your budget is going to go on your brand name. Now, as long there are occasions when you might do that. If your SEO is terrible and you're coming up on page three for your brand name, go for your brand name. Absolutely do it in a separate campaign. So you're spending only a certain amount of money. But in general I'm yet to find attraction that isn't coming up on the map, on the Google map or on the top of the search results for their own brand name. So you are effectively paying Google for website visitors, clicks, conversions that you would have got for free. Don't do that. Please don't do that. And we see that relatively regularly.Paul Marden: You differentiated between paid advertising for search and paid advertising in social platforms. So we've got the tooling in Google to be able to estimate how much things cost. Go for those long tail search terms because they're probably going to better value for you, probably have better landing pages. And be really clear, if you've got a nice long tail search, you know that person is looking for something very specific. So serve them a really specific landing page to arrive at on the other side. That speaks to them and they'll love it, won't they? They'll be much more likely to engage. So you get that return on investment even further. What about in social, what. How are you planning out? You know what the cost is likely to be and where you should focus your energy. Liz Dimes: So because we are doing this all the time, we have a good idea of what that. So in social you'll look, you want to look at the cost per thousand impressions, what's called the CPM as opposed to the cost per cl. That's the, that's the bit in social that you can't affect. Meta, for example, are going to. If the cost per thousand for the target audience you are going for in the location you are going for is £4, it is £4, there's nothing you can do to change that. £3, it's £4. And unfortunately it is depending on where you are. For some people it's lovely. If their location's less, that's great. But if your location is more expensive. You've got to just deal with that. Liz Dimes: Unfortunately, in the last few years the cost per thousands have gone up around 12% and they're estimating this year it will be around 4%. So to get the same number of impressions in 2025 that you got in 2024, you're going to need to spend 4% more. Unfortunately, it is what it is. I hate saying that, but it's true. You can't. We can try and lobby meta all we like. The cost is what the cost is. It's a demand and supply thing. Paul Marden: Exactly. Liz Dimes: But what you can do is be realistic. You are going to have to get the same number of impressions. You need to spend 4% more. However, if your budget has to remain the same, how can you improve your click through rate one? Well, 0.2% to get. So although you'll get less impressions, you'll try and aim to get the same number of web visits and clicks from that. Can you then improve your conversion rate on your website? 0.2% and therefore you actually, for the same budget, you may get more conversions. So although you have to understand as we all do, that costs of everything are going up and impressions are one of those things. Liz Dimes: Actually, can you optimise and improve your ads because minimal improvements in your click through rate, minimal improvements in your conversion rate on your website are going to result in more revenue at the end of the day for potentially the same budget or a minimal increase. Paul Marden: And what are those? Again, this is such a sweeping, broad question, but what are those things that people could do to improve the engagement in the ads themselves? Liz Dimes: I'd say the number one thing to look at is your targeting correct? Paul Marden: Yeah. Liz Dimes: Is your location targeting correct? Is your audience type targeting correct? And then are you tailoring your ads to your audience? So if you're doing a target and you're targeting grandparents, for example, maybe your ad needs to be slightly different if you're targeting the parents or maybe your ad needs. And then your ad again will need to be. If you're, if you're remarketing and you're going to your sort of what we would call a hot audience that needs a very different ad to prospecting, a cold audience. So really focus on your targeting and focus on speaking. Again, think about the customer. Who are you speaking to with that ad? Anita Waddell: I think the other thing to mention and add to that is also the number of ads you're putting out because you never know exactly how your audience is going to react. So we actually do a lot of testing for a campaign. We would put a lot of ads out and it could be marginal differences in an ad because that's what, that's really what you want. So is it a bold heading? Is it not a Bold heading is it use the word say to save or best prices or you know and each of these will result in say that we're looking for that marginal gain because over time all those marginal gains will add up on the creative and the messaging and you'll get the best result. But it's time, energy and to get there completely. Paul Marden: Look, this has been really interesting but I want to just leave people with two or three things that they ought to prioritise to get 2025 off to a great start because last year was rubbish for so many people, wasn't it? So let's what can we all do to help get the show on the way for the attractions this year? Anita Waddell: I think the key thing is giving that people a reason to visit. It's getting the programming right. What people should be doing is looking at the last two years, breaking down the visitor numbers throughout the year, ascertain where there's opportunity for growth. We know people is much easier to build those peaks when, during the school holidays when people are actively looking. If you still, if you're not reaching capacity in those periods, that would be our, you know, build the peaks rather than the troughs. If however you've got to the stage where you think on your, you're creaking a bit at the seams and actually you want to build the term time campaigns, consider that as a secondary but again giving them that reason to visit now rather than waiting to a different time. Anita Waddell: And then once you've done that, you can plan your marketing budget around those opportunities. If you know that you've got more capacity in the summer, give more budget to the summer or if you know you've got more capacity in the October half term, give more budget to the October half term. So it's all going to start of where you want to get those extra people from and to and where. And then as some, as Liz mentioned later, postcode mapping, making sure that whatever advertising and marketing you're doing, you're hitting the people in the right areas who are going to have the biggest propensity to convert. And I've only got one other last thing to add is it's looking and learning from last year. Anita Waddell: Looking back at the data points, look at your benchmarks, your email, but email open rates, your landing pages, your digital advertising, try and get that margin of 1% improvement. If you can improve all of your marketing just by 1%, that's a lot of 1%. Paul Marden: That's a lot of people, isn't it? At the end of the day coming through the door. Liz Dimes: Absolutely. Anita Waddell: Yeah. So, so that would be sort of my kind of, you know what I would do. And Liz, has you got anything else you want to add to that? Liz Dimes: No, I think that's all of it. I think as say for, from the digital advertising side, postcode map if you can and absolutely look back and then test based off that and then test again. Paul Marden: Well, there's some homework for everybody. We always finish with a book recommendation and that book recommendation can be fiction or non fiction and I've got two guests so there's got to be two books. So Anita, what's your book recommendation for our listeners? Anita Waddell: This, this was a really tough question actually because one of my new year objectives is to read more. But I looked back and thought, “Okay, over the last five years, what books have I read and what's, what can, what's really resonated and what still I feel I can remember really”. So, so the one, I think it's Who Moved My Cheese by Dr Spencer Johnson. I don't know if how regularly it's mentioned on, on this podcast, but it's not a new book but it all talks about how you got, you know, you've got two stories about two little mice and two people and they, and the two little mice go off and they find cheese in this maze every single day. Anita Waddell: Whereas the two people found their cheese, they're happy with their cheese, they really like this certain cheese. Why would they look elsewhere? And then that cheese and then ultimately that cheese supply from the two people runs out and it's talking about having to innovate and change to survive. And I, and it's done in a really easy reading and fun way. And so yeah, I think that would be my recommendation to anybody. Paul Marden: Right Liz, what about you? What's your recommendation? Liz Dimes: Well, this was actually recommended to me because I thought about it. Okay, what have I been recommended that I've read? And actually it was recommended by a member of my team, Miles. So this comes from him. It's Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss, who I don't know whether you've read this book, but he was an FBI negotiator and he has since written this book and it's actually written in a really easy to take in way. I just found it really interesting and just started reading it and read it basically which I don't do nearly as much reading as I used to before I had a child. So if I've managed to do that, you know, it's a good one. Liz Dimes: But my key sort of takeaways from it was how if you first think about negotiation skills, you probably think, “Well, what would I say?” And actually, that's not what you should be thinking, it's what are they saying? Your key negotiation skills is actively linked listening. And if you're actively listening, then you can follow the other key skills which are mirroring what they're saying, repeating the last of their three words, things like that. I just found it really interesting and it has made me rethink how I engage with people. So I would recommend it as a good read. Paul Marden: You got me thinking about my. What I was going to say now. Thinking about what were the last three words that you said? Oh, patting your head and rubbing your tummy part to this. Isn't there as thinking about the conversation and having it? Liz Dimes: Exactly. I think that's what he says. He says, while you're having a conversation, there's two of you. You're half listening, but actually the majority of you is thinking about what you're going to say next. If you're thinking about what you're going to say next, you are not listening, so you are not taking in what that person is saying in the way that you should be. And actually, if you can switch that bit off and really listen, what you say next will be the right thing. It's really hard. It's really hard to do, but I have actively tried to do that. When I think about it sounds. Paul Marden: A little bit like interviewing on the podcast, because this is a skill I've had to learn. This does not come naturally to me and it. It felt like a hostage negotiation at the beginning and it did feel a little bit like I had to negotiate my way out of the podcast episode. But with time and with practise, these things become easier and you can focus on the conversation whilst you're doing figuring out where the conversation is going to go. But, yeah, I've heard reviews of that book. I've not read it myself, so you've got me thinking I need to go and get that. Liz Dimes: It's worth a read. Paul Marden: Dear listeners, as always, if you would like a copy of either Anita or Liz's book recommendation, then the trendy thing to do is to go over to Bluesky now, not Twitter. Who wants to go onto Twitter? It's full of megalomaniacs. So go over to Bluesky and retweet the show message and say I want Anita or Liz's book. And the first person to do that will get a copy sent to them and I will be generous. It can be the first person for each book will get a copy. I'm not getting bankrupted this time with loads of book recommendations. I just want to leave people with one last thought. We know that benchmarking is important to you guys and this is something you're going to be doing a lot over the next few months. Paul Marden: So if people want to get involved with working on the benchmarking project for digital advertising that you guys are doing, what do they need to do? Anita Waddell: They need to go to our website where there'll be more information about it, and that's agility-marketing.co.uk.Paul Marden: And hopefully it will be in the show notes as well. So you can jump over to the show notes and follow the link there. But agility-marketing.co.uk and people will find all they need to know about the benchmarking that you're currently doing and how they can get involved in it. Brilliant. Ladies, this has been a wonderful conversation. Thank you very much. Liz Dimes: Thank you for having us. Paul Marden: We will catch up again soon. Paul Marden: Thanks for listening to Skip the Queue. If you've enjoyed this podcast, please leave us a five star review. It really helps others find us. And remember to follow us on Twitter for your chance to win the books that have been mentioned. Skip The Queue is brought to you by Rubber Cheese, a digital agency that builds remarkable systems and websites for attractions that helps them increase their visitor numbers. You can find show notes and transcriptions from this episode and more over on our website, SkiptheQueue.fm. The 2024 Visitor Attraction Website Survey is now LIVE! 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Welcome to another insightful episode of "Accelerate Your Business Growth" with your host, Diane Helbig. Today's episode is all about scalable strategies to win customers, featuring the acclaimed MarTech expert and CEO of McGaw.io and UTM.io, Dan McGaw. Dan shares invaluable advice for small business owners on carving out a niche in content marketing, navigating the competitive landscape with innovative approaches like direct mail, and the art of monetizing product features. We delve into effective marketing strategies for different product types, from door-to-door sales for local businesses to leveraging platforms like Product Hunt and AppSumo for SaaS products. Dan emphasizes the importance of understanding customer needs, consistent content creation, and the critical role of tailored marketing strategies based on unique business strengths. Get ready to uncover practical tips on choosing the right tools, developing successful referral programs, and the power of customer feedback in driving product development. Plus, Dan offers listeners a free copy of his book, "Build Cool Shit," to further enhance your marketing toolkit. Tune in as we explore these game-changing strategies with one of the industry's leading minds. Let's dive in! If you are a small business owner or salesperson who struggles with getting the sales results you are looking for, get your copy of Succeed Without Selling today. Learn the importance of Always Be Curious. Accelerate Your Business Growth is proud to be included on the list of the 45 Best Business Growth Podcasts. Each episode of this podcast provides insights and education around topics that are important to you as a business owner or leader. The content comes from people who are experts in their fields and who are interested in helping you be more successful. Whether it's sales challenges, leadership issues, hiring and talent struggles, marketing, seo, branding, time management, customer service, communication, podcasting, social media, cashflow, or publishing, the best and the brightest join the host, Diane Helbig, for a casual conversation. Discover programs, webinars, services, books, and other podcasts you can tap into for fresh ideas. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode and visit Helbig Enterprises to explore the many ways Diane can help you improve your business outcomes and results. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Dave sits down with Michael Cole, SVP of Marketing at Everflow, a partner marketing platform that helps companies manage referral and affiliate programs. Michael discusses his journey from being Everflow's first marketing hire to leading a marketing team of 16, and shares strategies for building a marketing function from the ground up.Dave and Michael cover:How Everflow turns happy customers into referral partnersWhat it's like to be a first-time marketing leaderBuilding a marketing function from scratchTimestamps(00:00) - - Introduction to Michael (06:28) - - Michael's journey to marketing leadership (11:15) - - Understanding company growth before developing your strategy (14:19) - - Turning happy customers into referrals (18:24) - - Scaling a successful team (25:35) - - Referrals vs. paid ads (29:52) - - Organic vs. paid strategies (32:19) - - Growing organically and spreading through word-of-mouth (34:05) - - Finding complementary business partnerships (40:18) - - Enhancing content creation (43:18) - - Delegation and accountability in a strong team (44:17) - - Strategizing for growth (47:27) - - Closing remarks Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You've heard it before – every B2B marketer's top pain point is marketing attribution. It's complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That's where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what's driving results (and what isn't) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He's so passionate about solving this problem, he's offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand's performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don't want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by Chris Walker, CEO of Passetto, and a prominent voice on LinkedIn, where he has been pushing the boundaries of B2B marketing for years. Chris shares actionable insights and tactics on social media strategy, what has changed in marketing over the last five years, and how to build effective feedback loops and flywheels.Dave and Chris also cover:The future of GTM and the evolving role of the CMOWhy sustainable growth is the only path forwardThe transformative role AI will play in B2B marketingTimestamps(00:53) - - Intro to Chris Walker (04:31) - - Managing different perspectives on social media (09:03) - - The ROI of podcasts and social media engagement (14:26) - - Why real-time feedback loops are valuable (20:01) - - Shifting from "growth at all costs" to sustainable growth (25:51) - - Rethinking marketing measurement and ROI (33:52) - - Splitting marketing teams: strategy vs. pipeline creation (40:57) - - How AI is reshaping B2B marketing teams (49:02) - - Chris's approach to creativity and focus (53:47) - - Predictions for the future of B2B marketing (55:25) - - Outro Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You've heard it before – every B2B marketer's top pain point is marketing attribution. It's complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That's where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what's driving results (and what isn't) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He's so passionate about solving this problem, he's offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand's performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don't want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

In this episode, Dave is joined by the team at Tenon to go behind the scenes of B2B marketing. They talk about the marketing operating system -- specifically: how to organize your 2025 campaigns, align your team, and stay laser-focused on what matters most. You'll learn how top marketers are using work management tactics to simplify the complexity, free up time for high-value work, and boost team performance—all while showing your boss the real impact of marketing.Dave and the Tenon team cover:The importance of aligning marketing goals with overarching business objectives to drive meaningful resultsHow to create a marketing operating system that prioritizes clarity, efficiency, and flexibilityPractical frameworks and templates for planning campaigns, managing tasks, and adapting to company needs and changes Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You've heard it before – every B2B marketer's top pain point is marketing attribution. It's complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That's where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what's driving results (and what isn't) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He's so passionate about solving this problem, he's offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand's performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don't want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Dave is joined by Ross Simmonds. Ross is the Founder & CEO of Foundation, a content marketing agency that strategizes, distributes, and optimizes content for some of the most successful SaaS companies in the world and works as partners for multiple publicly traded cloud companies that have redefined entire industries. They share lessons they both learned on their content journeys and discuss things like:Prioritizing search as a distribution channelWhy social followers are not a vanity metricUsing and enabling the sales team for content distributionHow to repurpose your most popular contentTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro (01:52) - - Underrated Content Strategy for B2B (02:07) - - SERP and Mindshare Domination (02:07) - - ChatGPT and Closing Thoughts (02:12) - - Search as a Distribution Channel (02:12) - - Why We're Doubling Down on X (02:27) - - Adjusting Your Tone with the Times (02:32) - - Why Followers Aren't a Vanity Metric (02:33) - - How to Repurpose Popular Organic Social Content (02:47) - - An Easy Content Distribution Tactic (02:48) - - The Sales Team as a Distribution Channel Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You've heard it before – every B2B marketer's top pain point is marketing attribution. It's complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That's where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what's driving results (and what isn't) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He's so passionate about solving this problem, he's offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand's performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don't want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Funnel Series #11You know how I always talk about going beyond admin tasks to become a next-level marketing assistant? Tracking funnel metrics is one of the biggest ways to do that. Too many service providers skip this step, and their clients pay the price. In this episode, we're diving into how to track, analyze, and use data to boost your clients' funnels—and your value as a Unicorn service provider.My guest is “data whisperer” Kelsey Silver. She's an MIT-certified data strategist, a former therapist, and now she's using her genius for data to help entrepreneurs fine-tune their funnels and launches. Kelsey is The NeuroSpicy CEO who has figured out how to turn her ADHD into a superpower by helping her clients hyper-focus on what's really working in their businesses. You're going to love her no-BS approach to metrics.Listen to learn more about:The three categories of funnel metrics you need to know: engagement, conversion, and revenueHow to stop tracking vanity metrics that don't matter and start focusing on numbers that drive decisionsWhy tools like UTM links, Google Analytics, and Hotjar are your secret weapons for data trackingThe key metrics that make clients feel supported and confident—and how to deliver themHow providing the right data can justify your rates and keep you booked outLet's be real: understanding data can feel overwhelming. But it's also the thing that makes your clients love and NEED you. Kelsey breaks it down in a way that's easy to follow and actionable (and fun!) If you want to position yourself as an irreplaceable team member, you need to tune in.I need your feedback! Please take the Annual Unicorns Unite Podcast Listener Survey here.Sponsored by UDMA Toolkit Want the best tech stack and AI tools for your marketing services and DMA business all in one place? Stay ahead with the latest tools and impress your clients with the UDMA Tool Kit. Grab it for just $7.99!Links Mentioned in the Show:Grab Kelsey's Freebie: The Metrics 7-Figure Business Owners Can't Live Without is filled with the answer to one simple question: What's the one metric you always measure? 15 experts reveal the key metrics they track, debunk data myths, and share what you should start measuring now (hint: it's not likes or followers) to confidently predict revenue.Join The Digital Marketer's Workgroup: Are you already doing marketing work but need more clients and a stronger referral network? Join a tight-knit community of freelancers and get access to behind-the-scenes conversations, support, and troubleshooting that every solo marketer needs. Plus, you'll benefit from advanced trainings, networking opportunities, and exclusive job leads.

In this episode of the Brand Design Masters Podcast, Philip interviews Amanda Webb, Owner of Spiderworking, who specializes in digital marketing ROI, Google Analytics, and analytics mentoring. Amanda shares her journey from film to digital marketing, insights into optimizing marketing efforts through analytics, and the importance of understanding data for business growth. They discuss topics including content creation, the ROI Escalator process, UTM tracking, AI in analytics, measuring marketing success, and practical steps for improving website performance. Amanda offers valuable resources and expertise, emphasizing the critical role of asking the right questions and continuously testing strategies.#googleanalytics #marketing #analytics #roi #brandingConnect with Amanda:https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandawebbsocial/https://spiderworking.comFreebie Download:https://spiderworking.com/bonfire/TOPICS• Amanda's Journey into Digital Marketing• The ROI Escalator Process• Understanding and Leveraging Analytics• Creating Effective Content Strategies• The Importance of UTM Tracking• Utilizing AI in Analytics• Common Mistakes in Analytics• The Importance of Measuring Marketing Activities• The Debate on Website Organization and Navigation• Using Data to Drive Business Changes• Tools Beyond Google Analytics for Measuring Marketing Success• The Power of Video in Marketing• Setting Up and Customizing Analytics Reports• Resources and Final Thoughts__________________________WEBSITEhttps://www.philipvandusen.comBONFIRE MASTERMIND:https://philipvandusen.com.com/bonfireBRAND•MUSE NEWSLETTER  https://www.philipvandusen.com/museCREATIVE PROFESSIONAL COACHINGhttps://philipvandusen.com/oneononeBRAND CONSULTINGhttps://philipvandusen.com/brand-consultingBRAND STRATEGY 101 COURSEhttps://philipvandusen.com/bs101YOUTUBEhttps://www.youtube.com/c/philipvandusen LINKEDINhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/philipvandusen/THREADShttps://www.threads.net/@philipvandusen FACEBOOKhttps://www.facebook.com/philipvandusen.agency/INSTAGRAMhttps://www.instagram.com/philipvandusen/____________________________________Philip VanDusen is a branding consultant and the owner of a brand strategy and design agency based in New Jersey. Philip is a highly accomplished creative executive and expert in brand strategy, graphic design, marketing and creative management. Philip provides design, branding, marketing, career and business advice to creative professionals, entrepreneurs and companies on building successful brands for themselves and the clients and customers they serve.

This episode is from Drive 2024, our first-ever in-person event for B2B marketers in Burlington, Vermont. Dan Cmejla, B2B Community Expert and former VP of Community at Apollo and Chili Piper, shared actionable frameworks and three phases for building impactful B2B communities that drive brand growth and customer engagement.Dan covers:How community marketing transforms brands by turning customers into primary distribution points for your story.Why it's important to map influence spaces and leverage customer relationships.Strategies to build a scalable advocacy journey that turns customer love into measurable business outcomes.Timestamps(00:00) - - Intro to Dan (07:03) - - Community Marketing Transforms Brands (10:11) - - Defining “Community” and “Community Marketing” (11:51) - - Community Phase 1: Build Baseline Presence Across Spaces that Hold Relevant Influence (22:51) - - Community Phase 2: Differentiate Presence Everywhere by Building more Brand Distribution Points (36:12) - - Community Phase 3: Build Amazing Spaces That Hold Influence (37:12) - - How to Determine your Community Strategy? (37:42) - - How to Evangelize Across Communities? (38:42) - - Q&A Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You've heard it before – every B2B marketer's top pain point is marketing attribution. It's complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That's where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what's driving results (and what isn't) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He's so passionate about solving this problem, he's offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand's performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don't want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Welcome to 2025! In this episode, we sit down with Amit Ganjoo, the Founder and CEO of ANRA Technologies, a global leader in UAS Traffic Management (UTM). This conversation explores Amit's vision for an integrated airspace and the critical steps required to make it a reality. We delve into the role of AI in UTM and ATM, touching on the controversies surrounding its use. Amit shares insights on the differences between the U.S. federated model and the centralized approaches used globally, offering a nuanced perspective on the evolution of UTM.We also take a deep dive into the Dallas-Fort Worth operational evaluation, the first commercial deployment of UTM in the U.S., where ANRA plays a key role as a UTM service provider. This collaborative effort, involving companies like Manna and Wing, informs the FAA's BVLOS policy decisions. Amit provides valuable lessons learned, particularly on UTM business models, exploring the pros and cons of insourced versus outsourced UTM services and their viability.

Dave is joined by Jason Lemkin. Jason is the founder of SaaStr, the world's largest community of SaaS executives, founders, and entrepreneurs. Before SaaStr, Jason founded EchoSign, which was sold to Adobe in 2011.They discuss:Why Jason started SaaStrWhat makes a great VP of Marketing in SaaS and how to hire oneHow tech and SaaS have changed since 2020CROs vs CMOsImportance of alignment between the CEO and marketing teamTimestamps(00:00) - - Intro (07:26) - - Understanding the Importance of Revenue Goals (10:50) - - Evolving Motivations and Changing Perspectives (14:56) - - From Solopreneur to Founder: The Journey of Exit Five (18:52) - - The Challenge of Transitioning from Solopreneurship (20:51) - - Insights into Jason's Content Creation Process (23:35) - - Efficiency in writing: a five-minute rule (30:34) - - LinkedIn: A Haven for Text-Based Writers (32:00) - - LinkedIn's Good Community and Marketing Potential (36:36) - - Importance of Building Relationships in Business (41:21) - - Marketing Essentials: Brand, Field, Demand, Growth (43:58) - - Finding the Right Fit: Aligning Marketing Roles with Company Vision (47:03) - - Finding Alignment: The Role of Marketing in Company Leadership (51:15) - - CROs and Marketing (54:04) - - Balancing Heads: Sales, Marketing, and Post-Sales in SaaS Leadership (57:24) - - Event Planning (59:19) - - SaaStr: Connecting Founders and Revenue Professionals Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.comJoin the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterCheck out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership***This episode of the Exit Five podcast is brought to you by our friends at Paramark. You've heard it before – every B2B marketer's top pain point is marketing attribution. It's complicated, messy, and too often leads to fights with your CRO over whose lead deserves credit.That's where Paramark steps in. Their platform makes it simple to understand what's driving results (and what isn't) with tools like marketing mix modeling and incremental testing. No more relying on outdated click attribution or chasing UTM links. Instead, Paramark gives you actionable insights across channels, campaigns, and geographies to help you grow.Paramark's founder & CEO Pranav has been in your shoes as a B2B marketer. He's so passionate about solving this problem, he's offering listeners a free brand assessment. Pranav will personally analyze your brand's performance and share his insights—an opportunity you don't want to miss.Slots are limited, so act fast. Head to paramark.com/brand-consult to claim your spot. Trust us, this is worth your time.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

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Send us a textIn this episode of Imperfect Marketing, Kendra Corman is joined by James Hipkin, a digital marketing expert with over a decade of experience helping businesses grow through strategic marketing. James shares his insights on what sets successful marketing apart for large corporations versus small business owners. With a focus on customer journeys and understanding true marketing strategy, he breaks down practical steps for small businesses to elevate their approach.Topics covered in today's conversation include:

Marketing Ecosystems: Simplify Your Strategy and Amplify Growth with Angela Frank Host: Marcia Riner, Business Growth Strategist - Infinite Profit® Guest: Angela Frank, Fractional CMO - The Growth Directive   What if your marketing could do more by doing less? Imagine ditching the overwhelming clutter of tactics and instead focusing on a cohesive, streamlined strategy that actually works. That's exactly what Angela Frank, fractional CMO and founder of The Growth Directive, is here to share with us today. Angela has helped businesses generate over $50 million in revenue with her innovative Marketing Ecosystem approach—a game-changing strategy that connects every piece of your marketing to drive sustainable growth. In this episode, she reveals: Why your marketing ecosystem is the missing link to scaling your business. The key metrics that show if your marketing is paying off or wasting money. Insider tips for staying ahead of marketing trends in 2025 and beyond. If you've ever felt like marketing is a money pit with no payoff, Angela's insights will shift your mindset and your results. Buckle up, because this episode will show you how to simplify your marketing, amplify your impact, and position your business for long-term profitability.

Pinterest is often misunderstood as just another social media platform, but in reality, it functions as a powerful search engine that can significantly enhance digital marketing efforts. Host Brett Dyster welcomes James, a seasoned digital marketing expert, to discuss the critical importance of strategy in navigating the digital landscape. They delve into the necessity of understanding the customer journey and how marketers can utilize AI tools to streamline their processes, all while maintaining a human touch in their interactions. The conversation highlights the emerging potential of Pinterest for driving website traffic and the need for marketers to tailor their approaches based on whether they are targeting B2B or B2C audiences. As they wrap up, James emphasizes the importance of focusing on creating value for customers and avoiding the common trap of overextending oneself in the marketing realm.Takeaways: Pinterest is primarily a search engine for images, not just a social media platform. A strategic foundation in digital marketing helps resonate with and engage the target audience. Marketers should focus on understanding the customer journey to create effective marketing strategies. AI tools can assist in marketing tasks, but human oversight is crucial for success. Creating value for customers is essential; do not try to do too much at once. Using tracking metrics like UTM codes is vital for measuring the effectiveness of marketing efforts. Links referenced in this episode:vipchatwithjames.comsixsecondsorless.comCompanies mentioned in this episode: Pinterest YouTube Instagram LinkedIn Meta X Twitter WordPress

In this episode we are diving into UTM after dark!! Haha no it's probably not what you think- we are actually discussing some of the Magic that is offered at Disney Parks and resorts at night and whether we are IN for the experience or OUT on it. One of the most magical times to experience Walt Disney World—after the sun sets, and the parks come alive with a whole new kind of wonder.From fireworks that light up the sky to attractions that feel completely different under the glow of the stars, We'll explore the top nighttime shows, secret spots with breathtaking views, and even the newest after-dark experiences you may or may not want to add to your must-do list. www.clubutm.co

How do you know which of your marketing efforts are really paying off? You might be doing it all—networking, guesting on podcasts, sharing standout content—but how can you tell what's actually driving results? In this episode, we're diving into the world of UTM tracking. Don't worry; it's simpler than it sounds! We'll break down how using UTMs can be an easy yet powerful way to gather valuable insights, helping you make smarter decisions to grow your business.

Show Resources: Here were the resources we covered in the episode: Join the LinkedIn Ads Fanatics community and get access to our 4 courses to take you from beginner to expert Follow AJ on LinkedIn B2Linked's YouTube Channel LinkedIn Learning Course Contact us at Podcast@B2Linked.com with any questions, suggestions, corrections! A great no-cost way to support us: Rate/Review! Show Notes: Episode Summary: In this episode of the LinkedIn Ads Show, host AJ Wilcox dives into LinkedIn's product roadmap, detailing new and upcoming features advertisers should get excited about. If you're looking to stay ahead of the curve and leverage the latest tools in LinkedIn Ads, this episode gives you everything you need to know. AJ shares personal insights, community feedback, and predictions for how these features could impact your campaigns. Key Topics Covered: Pro Tip for Lead Generation Ads: Keep ad copy between 100-160 characters to avoid the “See More” link, saving costs on unnecessary clicks that don't trigger lead forms. Dynamic Sponsored Content in Alpha: Salesforce is testing dynamic variables (like industry or company name) in sponsored content. Expect more personalization options coming soon. Reserved Ads & Primetime Ads (2025): Reserved Ads: Secure the first ad slot in the feed for maximum visibility. Primetime Ads: Achieve 100% audience reach within a 24-hour period—ideal for major campaigns. Live Event Ads Rolling Out: Promote live events dynamically before, during, and after the event, with advanced retargeting options based on attendee engagement. Connected TV (CTV) in Public Beta: Use LinkedIn targeting to deliver non-skippable video ads on streaming services like Roku, Hulu, and Peacock. Buyer Group Targeting (Q2 2025): Automatically target the entire buyer's committee with roles and titles relevant to a specific prospect. Conversion API Now Available: Report conversions with high accuracy without relying on cookies. Partners include HubSpot, Zapier, and Google Tag Manager. Dynamic UTM Parameters Launched: Apply dynamic UTM tracking at the campaign or account level to streamline campaign setup and reporting. Business Manager Enhancements: Block/Allow Lists can now be applied at the Business Manager level, simplifying brand safety management across multiple accounts. Coming Soon: Publisher Reporting & Share of Voice Insights: Get performance breakdowns by publisher for LAN and CTV ads, and measure how much visibility your brand captures compared to competitors. Objective-Aware Creative Rotation (Q1 2025): AI-powered ad rotation tailored to campaign objectives for better performance. Predictive Companies Beta: Expands on predictive audiences by identifying entire companies showing interest, offering more precise B2B targeting. If you want to stay ahead with these new LinkedIn Ads features, we've got AJ's expert breakdowns and actionable tips! Don't miss this opportunity to prepare for the future of LinkedIn Ads. Get insights into what's working, how to optimize campaigns with the latest tools, and how to use new features to boost your results. Join the LinkedIn Ads Fanatics community to discuss strategies, learn from experts, and upgrade your advertising game! Show Transcript: For the full show transcript, see the show notes page here: Episode 151