Podcasts about refine labs

From GTM Live:This week on GTM Live, Carolyn sits down with Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, to unpack why so many B2B companies are pouring budget into paid media, and still missing revenue targets.They break down what's really going wrong: not too much paid media, but too much spend on a strategy that doesn't convert. Pipeline is down. Revenue is down. And yet, the response is often to spend more, not better.You'll hear why performance marketing often fails to deliver real outcomes, how misaligned KPIs drive bad decisions, and what separates newer, agile companies from legacy players still running outdated GTM playbooks.Megan shares insights from working with dozens of growth-stage companies and how leadership mindset, speed of iteration, and willingness to challenge old assumptions can make or break your demand strategy.If you've been trying to defend paid spend, or wondering why results are flat despite doing “all the right things”, this episode is for you.Key topics in this episode:Why paid media often fails to convert to pipeline or revenueThe difference between new-school and old-school GTM teamsWhy optimizing for MQLs leads to the wrong outcomesHow to rethink measurement for real demand captureWhat high-performing growth teams do differentlyThis episode is powered by ⁠⁠Passetto⁠⁠. We help high-growth and equity-backed companies turn GTM data into better decisions, faster. We unify your GTM and financial data, identify your growth levers, and help you scale. Part SaaS, part advisory. Visit ⁠⁠⁠passetto.com⁠⁠.

Megan Bowen and Matt Sciannella from Refine Labs, team up with Wynter's Peep Laja to discuss the importance of brand in B2B Marketing. They explore the nuances of brand visibility, drawing on their extensive experiences to highlight how foundational brand awareness has become in competitive markets. Exploring the intricate balance between brand and demand generation, the discussion underscores why brand perception and awareness can no longer be sidelined in favor of immediate revenue-driven tactics.They share actionable insights on overcoming common pitfalls associated with B2B brand marketing, from misconceptions about ROI to the undervaluation of sustained marketing efforts. Matt emphasizes the importance of setting the right expectations with leadership teams about brand-building timelines, while Peep advocates for consistent messaging and memorable brand experiences. They unpack strategies to measure brand success effectively, bridging the gap between qualitative insights and quantitative data, and underscore the fact that modern businesses must invest in their brand story to achieve meaningful, long-term market penetrationEpisode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Matt SciannellaPeep LajaConnect with the host:Megan Bowen

This week on GTM Live, Carolyn sits down with Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, to unpack why so many B2B companies are pouring budget into paid media, and still missing revenue targets.They break down what's really going wrong: not too much paid media, but too much spend on a strategy that doesn't convert. Pipeline is down. Revenue is down. And yet, the response is often to spend more, not better.You'll hear why performance marketing often fails to deliver real outcomes, how misaligned KPIs drive bad decisions, and what separates newer, agile companies from legacy players still running outdated GTM playbooks.Megan shares insights from working with dozens of growth-stage companies and how leadership mindset, speed of iteration, and willingness to challenge old assumptions can make or break your demand strategy.If you've been trying to defend paid spend, or wondering why results are flat despite doing “all the right things”, this episode is for you.Key topics in this episode:Why paid media often fails to convert to pipeline or revenueThe difference between new-school and old-school GTM teamsWhy optimizing for MQLs leads to the wrong outcomesHow to rethink measurement for real demand captureWhat high-performing growth teams do differentlyThis episode is powered by ⁠⁠Passetto⁠⁠. We help high-growth and equity-backed companies turn GTM data into better decisions, faster. We unify your GTM and financial data, identify your growth levers, and help you scale. Part SaaS, part advisory. Visit ⁠⁠passetto.com⁠.

In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, Chris Maffeo welcomes Chris Walker, an entrepreneur known for his insights into bootstrapping and the modern startup environment (he is the Founder of Refine Labs and Passetto). His work on the Stacking Growth Podcast (Ex Revenue Vitals) inspired him to launch his podcast.They discuss common misconceptions about the need for venture capital, the importance of overcoming limiting beliefs, and the essential skills every founder should master. Chris shares his experiences and thoughts on why many businesses fail due to unnecessary funding and the mental barriers hindering entrepreneurship.The discussion also covers how to achieve personal alignment, the myth of media glorification, and the reality of building a sustainable business. Tune in for valuable lessons on creating and scaling businesses effectively.00:00 Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast00:09 Inspiration and Beginnings01:11 Bootstrapping vs. Venture Capital03:33 Overcoming Limiting Beliefs06:45 The Reality of Entrepreneurship 115:14 Procrastination and Action18:07 The Power of Self-Belief32:49 Final Thoughts and Farewell

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2bgrowth Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive back into Brand, Demand, Expand!Pipeline shouldn't be the only measurement tool you're using, each pillar of Brand, Demand, and Expand need to have their own detailed metrics. In this video newsletter companion, we break down what those measurement tools should be.

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2bWelcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive into Community and In Person Connection!

Refine Labs' General Manager Judy Sheriff is on today to walk through how and why you should implement Refine Labs' modern, tangible success metrics for your marketing team. Judy Sheriff shares her career story, starting with her entry into marketing in 2010, highlighting experiences with companies relying heavily on traditional metrics such as MQLs, and her eventual discovery of modern demand generation strategies. The conversation moves then into the critical juncture when she realized the necessity for change and her subsequent contributions at Refine Labs in guiding companies toward a comprehensive understanding of influence over direct tracking. Essential SEO keywords such as "B2B SaaS," "marketing measurement framework," and "demand generation" are explored throughout the episode.The episode also spotlights the impact of tools and strategies that have helped Judy develop successful frameworks in marketing. With Evan, they discuss the importance of simplifying dashboards and streamlining data processes for accurate measurement. Judy emphasizes the significance of aligning with sales and finance to drive effective change and discusses the potential over-reliance on AI in marketing. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Judy SheriffConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2bWelcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive into Brand, Demand, Expand!

From LevelUp Business: Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, joins JR Lay to break down how forward-thinking B2B brands can embrace change through adaptability, strategic reflection, and an evolved demand gen model. From redefining brand, demand, and expansion strategies to building internal change management discipline, this conversation offers a path forward to those ready to level up.

Last year we launched Maxwell: our "DemandGPT" chatbot in The Vault, but now we're unlocking the gate and letting him loose.  Head over to our website, fire off up to 10 questions, and get instant, free access to thousands of pages of expert content in seconds. It's super simple:➡️ Go to refinelabs.com➡️ Look for the blue chat icon in the bottom right corner➡️ Type your question and let Maxwell do the rest Whether you're troubleshooting, brainstorming, or looking for fresh ideas, The Vault is packed with actionable insights that can help you build and optimize your modern B2B marketing strategy. Head on over and let us know what Maxwell digs up for you!Last week's Paid Search B2B Roundtable is on YouTube and Spotify now!Ready for more insights from the team? Monday, May 19 at 12pm EST, Libby Schell is joining the Exec Team to walk through the LinkedIn Paid Social PlaybookRegister here. This week we wanted to feature Rayna van Beuzekom, Content & Creative Lead at Commsor, who recently completed a 48 hour networking marathon of almost 50 (!!) back to back calls. On every call they asked "what advice would you give to your younger self?" and created a  gem-filled montage of answers.  Check it out here, and let us know: if you had to give advice to your younger self, what would it be?  PS: Can you spot the Refine Labs face in the montage 

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we describe (and show in real time) a 3 step short form video strategy to dip your toes into the content pool!

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we ask: what are your pressing marketing questions that we can answer, and who do you go to when you need an expert?

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we ask: What communities are you part of as a marketer that help you connect and get support in this chaos landscape?

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠Steph Crugnola⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week we ask: Does a graph tell the whole story? Probably not. Take a step back and make sure you're showing the bigger picture. Check out Evan Hughes' LinkedIn post that I mention here.

*from Building with Buyers*Megan Bowen is CEO at Refine Labs. Refine Labs is a demand gen agency for growth stage and enterprise B2B SaaS companies. Also check out Ep. 78 "Hire For Customer Success, Not Customer Support."Here's what we cover:Brand, Demand, and ABM. What's your approach to client work;I'm exploring the role that customers play in helping startups build to the next round - how have you seen this play out with companies you work with;What's changed about how buyers buy today, and what's still the same;Customer research is core to the work I do with my clients - how do you handle customer research at Refine Labs;How are you using AI, and what's your take on where it's going;Early stage startups testing paid ads, what's your advice (HINT: it's an expensive experiment, you need at least $3M-5M ARR);What's the biggest challenge for companies you're working with right now;Megan asks me her burning question.Megan on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/meganwhitebowenRefine Labs: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.refinelabs.comFor more content, subscribe to Building With Buyers on Apple or Spotify or wherever you like to listen, and don't forget to leave a review if you're lovin' the show.Music by my talented daughter.Anna on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/annafurmanov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week is all about about niching down and clarifying landing pages, inspired by the Called to Action conversation with Tas Bober. Join me as I work to niche down my LinkedIn content and clarify our podcast 'about' section.

Welcome to a new weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week is all about ABM! Inspired by the recent B2B Marketing Roundtable, we sent out and are testing a template to narrow down ABM audience tiers, trying to solve for this audience's pain points, and focusing our podcast messaging.

Megan Bowen is CEO at Refine Labs. Refine Labs is a demand gen agency for growth stage and enterprise B2B SaaS companies. Also check out Ep. 78 "Hire For Customer Success, Not Customer Support."Here's what we cover:Brand, Demand, and ABM. What's your approach to client work;I'm exploring the role that customers play in helping startups build to the next round - how have you seen this play out with companies you work with;What's changed about how buyers buy today, and what's still the same;Customer research is core to the work I do with my clients - how do you handle customer research at Refine Labs;How are you using AI, and what's your take on where it's going;Early stage startups testing paid ads, what's your advice (HINT: it's an expensive experiment, you need at least $3M-5M ARR);What's the biggest challenge for companies you're working with right now;Megan asks me her burning question.Megan on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/meganwhitebowenRefine Labs: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.refinelabs.comFor more content, subscribe to Building With Buyers on Apple or Spotify or wherever you like to listen, and don't forget to leave a review if you're lovin' the show. Music by my talented daughter.Anna on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/annafurmanov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠furmanovmarketing.com

Welcome to a new weekly check-in where I (Steph Crugnola) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth.  This week is all about experimentation, based on this week's episode of Called to Action featuring Canberk Beker.

In this episode of Executive Conversations, Maeva Cifuentes speaks with Silvia Valencia, VP of Revenue Marketing at Docebo, about her journey from agency to in-house marketing. Silvia shares how her experience at Refine Labs taught her to manage buy-in, present strategic investment cases, and reallocate budgets effectively. Maeva and Silvia also emphasize the importance of starting relationships with clear communication, setting expectations for short- and long-term outcomes, and delivering early wins to gain credibility. 

Megan Bowen and Evan Hughes host Ashley Lewin and Steph Crugnola in a roundtable discussion of how to create a sustainable, unique content strategy. They cover:Building a unique point of view in content strategy is crucial for differentiation and capturing audience attention.Consistency in content distribution helps build trust and establishes the brand as a credible source of information.Integrating different content formats (video, text, visuals) can effectively engage diverse audiences.Authenticity and humanized content resonate more with audiences than overly polished or curated posts.A well-developed strategic narrative, based on understanding big changes in the market, can align messaging across all company communications.In addition to valuable insights and questions from the live audience, Megan, Evan, Ashley and Steph share their personal strategies for keeping up with content production as well as the Refine Labs strategy. Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #advertising #content #roundtable #marketingexpert______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guests:Ashley LewinSteph CrugnolaConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesMegan Bowen

Sam Kuehnle, VP of Marketing at Loxo, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about taking on a leadership role in Demand Creation and how to make an impact.  The discussion focuses on evolving demand generation strategies, the interplay between lead generation and demand creation, and how Sam transitioned from agency work at Refine Labs to a leadership position. Throughout, Sam offers insights into planning effective marketing strategies in a rapidly changing digital landscape.The conversation begins by exploring Sam's marketing journey, from his foundational experiences in a family-run agency to working as an account development representative in SaaS, highlighting his shift from the predictable revenue model to a demand-focused approach inspired by Chris Walker. Sam also shares invaluable advice on stakeholder management, emphasizing the necessity of aligning marketing strategies with overarching business goals. He discusses methodologies for generating quick wins, such as optimizing Google Ads and refining audience targeting, providing practical insights into sustainable marketing practices. The episode concludes with forward-thinking strategies and preparing for the future of marketing, stressing the importance of adaptability and continuous learning.Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #demandcreation ______Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTubeLearn More About Refine LabsSign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest:Sam KuehnleConnect with the hosts:Evan HughesSteph Crugnola

In this episode of FP&A Tomorrow, host Paul Barnhurst (aka "The FP&A Guy") sits down with Chris Walker to explore the intersection of finance, marketing, and sales. They break down why most companies struggle with measuring the return on go-to-market investments and how finance teams can step up to own and optimize this critical function. Chris shares his unconventional yet data-driven approach to revenue operations, highlighting how traditional marketing and sales attribution models are broken and what companies should do instead.Chris Walker is a visionary in B2B go-to-market strategies. As the CEO of Pasetto and Executive Chairman of Refine Labs, he is shaping the future of revenue operations by integrating finance, marketing, and sales intelligence. With years of hands-on experience in sales, marketing, and finance, Chris brings a unique perspective to understanding and improving go-to-market efficiency.Expect to Learn:Why go-to-market investments are often misallocated and how finance can take ownership of optimizing them.The biggest mistakes companies make when measuring marketing ROI and sales effectiveness.How finance leaders can work more strategically with marketing and sales teams to drive profitable growth.The importance of rethinking attribution models and revenue operations frameworks.Why Chris believes that FP&A should play an offensive, not defensive, role in shaping business strategy.Here are a few relevant quotes from the episode:“Finance leaders need to stop looking at marketing as an expense and start seeing it as an investment portfolio.”“Marketing attribution models are fundamentally broken because they try to divide credit rather than measure impact.”“Go-to-market investments are often misallocated because finance and marketing don't speak the same language.”In this episode, Chris Walker delivers a wake-up call to finance and revenue leaders, urging them to rethink how they measure and optimize go-to-market investments. If FP&A wants to drive better business decisions, it must stop looking at marketing as an expense and start managing it like an investment portfolio. By adopting a data-driven, strategic approach to go-to-market, finance teams can help their companies grow more efficiently and profitably.The AFP FP&A Forum:The Association for Financial Professionals FP&A Forum, March 17–19 in Austin, is the must-attend event for finance professionals seeking sales-free, expert-led insights on AI, process efficiency and strategic planning. With 18+ actionable sessions and a community of peers, this forum is all about real learning, no fluff—join us and take your finance game to the next level.Explore the agenda: https://bit.ly/40W1eChUse the code FPAGuy2025 for $200 off: https://bit.ly/40Cts3BFollow FP&A Tomorrow:Newsletter - Subscribe on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=6957679529595162624 Follow Chris:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chriswalker171/Company - https://www.passetto.com/Website -

Ciara Hopkins, VP of Demand Generation  at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about leads: leads are not all created equal, and Ciara talks through why, and how to address it.  Ciara starts by talking through her journey, starting as an SDR constantly questioning the ‘why' behind instant calls and emails to new leads. She highlights the transformation she witnessed and became part of in marketing, moving from traditional lead gen to a demand gen approach.  As a marketer, Ciara emphasizes the crucial role of UTM tracking and high versus low intent categorization in driving marketing efficiency. She highlights the importance of understanding the entire customer journey by collaborating with sales and operational teams to enhance data integrity. She also breaks down the industry's shift toward recognizing the value of brand awareness efforts and the necessity of meaningful KPI development to measure these initiatives effectively. Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #CRM  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our NewsletterConnect with the guest: Ciara Hopkins Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

In this episode, Chris joinsFP&A Tomorrow host Paul Barnhurst (a.k.a.The FP&A Guy) to talk about the intersection of finance and GTM. Chris shares his perspective on why most B2B companies get GTM investments wrong, the inefficiencies in traditional marketing measurement, and how CFO's and finance teams can play an incredibly strategic role in driving revenue efficiency.Key topics from this episode:The disconnect between finance and GTM teams—and how to fix itWhy most companies mis-allocate GTM investmentsThe problem with measuring marketing ROI through attribution modelsHow finance can take ownership of GTM efficiencyThe four key stages of a revenue factory and why companies need to rethink pipeline creationThe impact of content strategy on brand awareness, demand generation, and revenue growthWhy finance leaders should actively participate in GTM strategy rather than just measuring its outcomesHow Chris is building Passetto and Refine Labs to solve the GTM efficiency problem–Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producingRevenue Vitals and all of Chris's short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

Megan Bowen and Evan Hughes host Ciara Hopkins in a roundtable discussion of paid ads, nailing down when is the right time to start investing.  They cover: Defining your ideal customer profile and target market Developing your strategic narrative Building a website that converts traffic into sales conversions Aligning Marketing and Sales In addition to valuable insights and questions from the live audience, Megan, Evan, and Ciara detail each of these milestones, how to get started with building up to them, and how to know when you've hit the right place to start investing money effectively into paid ads.  Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #advertising #paidads #roundtable #marketingexpert ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Ciara Hopkins Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Megan Bowen

Ashley Lewin, Senior Director of Demand Generation at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion about attribution, and how to bridge the gap traditional software based attribution can leave in your understanding of your customers.  Ashley starts by breaking down each attribution model, including first touch, last touch, multi touch, and self reported, highlighting the strengths and gaps left by each. Then she breaks down the hybrid attribution model, walking through first steps on how to implement and utilize the data insights it can give. Ashley stresses the importance of viewing attribution as a compass to get you close to your destination, rather than a definitive answer, and how staying flexible and curious can help keep you better up to date with the rapidly changing landscape in marketing.  Episode topics: #marketing, #attribution, #demandgeneration, #selfreportedattribution, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #CRM  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Ashley Lewin Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

One of our most listened to episodes, we're bringing back Chris Walker, CEO at Passetto (previously Founder and CEO of Refine Labs, a progressive demand generation agency that challenges the status quo in B2B marketing). Before launching Refine Labs, Chris led marketing at two B2B firms where he built the foundation of his unique perspective on demand generation. Now, at Passetto, a Growth Advisory Firm for SaaS CEOs Scaling from $10MM - $100MM+, Chris helps CEOs and CFOs get instant GTM clarity. Chris joined our host Alex on an exclusive founder members only workshop as part of our SaaStock Founder Membership (SFM), to share how you can grow your business and improve your demand generation strategies. Check out the other ways SaaStock is serving SaaS founders

Chris joined Brad Zomick's show (LinkedIn Famous), where he shared insights on personal growth as a founder, his learnings from executing on LinkedIn for 5 years, and the new playbook founders can use to build and grow their companies.  Key topics from this episode: The right way to approach LinkedIn (hint: vanity metrics don't matter) Personal growth and intuition as a founder Learnings and mistakes from scaling Refine Labs & Passetto Live events as a compounding asset Why founders should re-think the VC-funded model The future of social media in B2B Why the most important thing as a founder is to take action – Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris's short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

Kerri Amodio, Director of Demand Generation at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion on why (and how) you should start ungating your content.  Kerri starts by explaining how lead generation tactics have become more and more outdated as the market and technology keeps growing and changing. She highlights the necessary shift that marketers need to make towards adopting a demand generation mindset and creating a consistent demand for products and services rather than just generating leads.  Kerri lays out several tactical strategies for effectively measuring and repurposing high-value content. She also stresses the growing importance of building trust and credibility with audiences by delivering authentic and ungated content—content that is open and accessible without barriers such as gated forms or sign-ups, thus fostering a more genuine relationship with the audience. Episode topics: #marketing, #content, #demandgeneration, #contentcreation, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #gatedcontent  ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Kerri Amodio Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Aaron Weekes, Performance Marketing Manager at Refine Labs, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for a discussion on the program he launched on his podcast to help job-seeking marketers work on their content and storytelling.  Aaron shares his personal story with finding himself looking for a new role, and how making connections through content helped him narrow down his search and eventually land his position at Refine Labs. He focuses on the storytelling aspect of marketing, and how generating consistent content on LinkedIn or other platforms can help prospective companies learn more about you before you even apply.  Episode topics: #marketing, #podcasting, #demandgeneration, #contentcreation, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #interview #jobsearch ______ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Aaron Weekes Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

Send us a textMegan Bowen (CEO of Refine Labs) mentioned  on LinkedIn "The most important discipline that mid-market and enterprise B2B SaaS companies need to be cultivating is...Change management This is especially true for successful companies that have been around for 1-2 decades, that have been able to more easily manage the recent turbulence in B2B SaaS over the last few years and are still executing an outdated GTM strategyThe relative success of companies at this stage is hiding GTM inefficiencies so many don't even perceive it's a problem. This is the biggest risk for these companies - they are not seeing and acknowledging this is a real threat to their long term survival. If companies don't start to change now, their ability to grow sustainably will degrade with increasing speed"At Personal ABM, we believe that change goes beyond evolving just the digital marketing strategies and it must include a mindset shift, a measurement shift and changes across the entire GTM strategy and execution. The issue we often see  is that GTM teams retrofit ABM on top of existing sales/marketing processes, content, messaging and experiences. They make it about better targeting vs. changing the account experiences that are delivered. ABM should change...How you think about your businessHow you differentiate from competitorsHow you package your solutionsHow you communicate your valueHow you engage buyers across the organization across the buyiong journey and customer lifecycleHow you structure your GTM teamsHow you win, protect and expand accounts as 1 teamHow you measure success.Plus much more...During this episode, Kristina Jaramillo, Eric Gruber and Joel Harrison (Founder and Editor-at-Large at B2B Marketing) discuss the changes that ABM should bring. 

Megan Bowen, Refine Labs CEO, joins Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola for the premiere episode of Stacking Growth: Called to Action. On this season of Stacking Growth, we're featuring marketing leaders who've been called to make a change, and inviting them to share their journey - the highs, the lows, and everything in between.  Megan reflects on the major shifts happening in B2B SaaS companies right now, having moved from the “Growth At All Costs” mindset into a “Profitable, Efficient Growth” mindset as well as the transition through buying Eras from Analog to Website to Dark Social, and now into AI.  She talks about how Change Management is necessary for companies to succeed in moving into the modern era of marketing, especially midmarket enterprise organizations that have been operating successfully for a long time in the Website era. She outlines the crucial steps for navigating change management effectively: assessing reality, updating brand positioning, and phasing into new digital strategies, and how Refine Labs excels at facilitating this process.  Megan shares the darkest moments along her journey, how she was able to push through to grow stronger, and a message of hope in embracing your humanity to find your marketing superpowers.  Episode topics: #marketing, #changemanagement, #demandgeneration, #AI, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing __ Subscribe to Stacking Growth on Spotify and YouTube Learn More About Refine Labs Sign Up For Our Newsletter Connect with the guest: Megan Bowen Connect with the hosts: Evan Hughes Steph Crugnola

From Metrics & Chill: “In this Metrics & Chill interview we hear from Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, a progressive demand strategy and research firm focused on growth-stage B2B SaaS companies. She shares how they leverage historical data to help their clients get more customers. When they start working with a new client, the first thing they do is conduct what they call a "revenue performance assessment." Key Takeaways: Revenue Performance Assessment: Refine Labs conducts an in-depth analysis of historical CRM data to optimize demand generation strategies, focusing on lead pipelines and closed-deal analytics. Prioritizing Attribution: A blend of software-based and self-reported attribution provides a more comprehensive understanding of the lead-generation journey, particularly highlighting critical insights for demand creation programs. Identifying Growth Levers: Key growth drivers often include improving lead conversion rates and paid social advertising effectiveness, helping companies leverage their strengths for better outcomes. Consistent Review Process: Businesses are encouraged to perform revenue assessments every 9 to 12 months to refine strategies and adapt to evolving market conditions. Common Challenges: Common pitfalls among companies include overspending on paid search and ineffective social media strategies, areas where Refine Labs offers guidance to boost efficiency. See full videos and more on our ⁠YouTube channel⁠ Stay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by ⁠subscribing to our newsletter.⁠

CEO ⁠Megan Bowen⁠ and VP of Marketing ⁠Evan Hughes⁠ hosted Director of Demand Generation Kerri Amodio to walk through the shift from a Lead Gen to Demand Gen strategy, especially focusing on the complexity of making the transition in a larger organization. They explored how to build a compelling business case using historical data, manage the change process effectively, and guide your organization through a mindset shift, and gave insights on the phases of GTM transformation and how to influence leadership buy-in. Key Takeaways: Transitioning from lead gen to demand gen involves understanding current state, obtaining leadership buy-in, and segmenting changes into manageable phases. A deeper focus on demand creation, in addition to demand capture and conversion, helps companies sustainably grow their market share over time. Leadership alignment and clear communication, bolstered by data-backed business cases, are essential for successful change management. Emphasizing customer experience as a marketing strategy can significantly enhance word-of-mouth referrals and overall brand reputation. Demand creation strategies should focus on solving real customer problems and delivering unique value propositions through the right digital channels. See full videos and more on our YouTube channelStay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by subscribing to our newsletter.

LinksTry Benchmarks ExplorerLearn More About DataboxSubscribe to our newsletter for episode summaries, benchmark data, and moreIn this episode, we'll dive into how to drive predictable growth by leveraging historical data. Join us as Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, shares the secrets behind the "Revenue Performance Assessment" framework — a method they use to uncover growth opportunities, improve paid search and social strategies, and drive more qualified conversions.Follow MeganVisit Refine Labs

CEO Megan Bowen and VP of Marketing Evan Hughes hosted Demand Generation Manager Ryan Olestro and Senior Performance Marketing Manager Malin Wijenayake to discuss paid search efficiency and how to stop overspending.  They dive into key tactics for improving paid advertising strategies, focusing on recognizing budget inefficiencies and balancing spending between Google Ads and Paid Social. They cover setting up effective conversion tracking, differentiating between competitor and branded campaigns, and adjusting to changing search dynamics. The discussion provides practical strategies to boost ROI and adapt marketing efforts to changing digital landscapes. The panelists share insights on experimental approaches to Google Ads, such as optimizing for conversion value, using dynamic search ads, and writing effective ad copy. They stress the importance of evolving ad strategies in response to AI technologies and highlight the need for ongoing testing and adaptation to remain competitive in digital marketing.  Key Takeaways: Implement effective conversion tracking by integrating UTMs into your CRM system to accurately assess keyword and campaign performance. Balance your budget between demand capture and demand creation strategies to avoid overspending on Google Ads and invest in medium to long-term brand building. Structure non-branded campaigns by separating high-intent keywords from low-intent keywords to ensure efficient budget utilization and targeting. Experiment with dynamic search ads and competitor campaigns to glean insights into consumer behavior and identify new keyword opportunities. Continuously refine ad copy and remain flexible with Google's evolving algorithms and SERP formats to maintain a competitive edge in a changing digital environment. See full videos and more on our YouTube channel Stay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by subscribing to our newsletter.

Kaylee Edmondson joins Alli this week on another episode of Shifting Priorities. Kaylee is the Founder of DemandLoops, and before that, she worked for companies like Refine Labs, Chili Piper, and Campaign Monitor. In this episode, we discuss…Being an active employee and good parentApproaching new jobs about pregnancyThe importance of transparent leaders for working parentsWhy a W2 doesn't necessarily equal safetyPrioritizing calendar ownership to find balance

CEO Megan Bowen and VP of Marketing Evan Hughes hosted VP Of Demand Generation Ciara Hopkins, and Senior Director of Demand Generation Matthew Sciannella to dive into the 2025 planning process.  Through the event, they addressed significant trends in the digital marketing space, emphasizing the need for adaptability and smart investment. Key topics include the saturation of B2B advertising platforms like LinkedIn, the critical role of content strategy, and the value of aligning business fundamentals with modern marketing tactics in order to enable your company to optimize its growth trajectory in an increasingly competitive market. Key Takeaways: Core Shifts in B2B SaaS: The landscape has changed significantly post-pandemic, emphasizing the need for updated digital strategies that focus on long-term growth and adaptability. The Role of Data in Planning: Historical data analysis and common sense are key components of setting realistic, data-driven marketing goals that align with business objectives. Importance of Brand Awareness: Despite the pressure for immediate ROI, investment in brand awareness is crucial for sustained business growth and should accompany demand generation efforts. Content Strategy as a Differentiator: A well-rounded and strategic approach to content creation, focusing on different stages of the customer journey, is essential for engaging potential buyers. See full videos and more on our YouTube channelStay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by subscribing to our newsletter.

Kerri Amodio, Director of Demand Gen, delivered a Keynote and Q&A session for SMX Masterclass. She focused on how businesses can leverage AI tools like ChatGPT to optimize their marketing campaigns. She emphasized the importance of using AI not merely to save time but to enhance the quality of marketing efforts, improve messaging, and boost revenue.  The discussion details the use of AI for refining ideal customer profiles (ICP), crafting compelling ad copy, and designing personalized marketing strategies. Kerri articulates the nuances of using tools such as ChatGPT, Microsoft Copilot, and Google Gemini in creating targeted, effective paid media campaigns. The conversation covers the importance of understanding customer data, competitor analysis, and the integration of AI in crafting messaging that resonates with specific audience needs. With insights on the ever-evolving landscape of digital marketing, listeners are guided on how to stay ahead of the curve with AI-enhanced strategies that deliver tangible results. See full videos and more on our YouTube channelStay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by subscribing to our newsletter.

Triana Mills, VP of Creative, joins Steph Crugnola on Stacking Growth Snacks to break down the differences between a Creative Strategy Package and a Creative Execution Package. She details what's included, who would benefit most, and the timeline investment you'd be looking at for each package. See the video on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ subscribing to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola joined Corey Kossack of Aspireship on the Startup Skills Podcast to talk about the four essential roles in building a podcast. From Startup Skills Podcast: The second episode of the Startup Skills Podcast, Corey engages with Evan Hughes and Steph Crugnola from Refine Labs to discuss podcasting as a growth strategy for B2B tech companies. They explore the importance of podcasting for brand storytelling and audience engagement, emphasizing the need for a clear strategy and intention behind each episode. The conversation covers essential roles for podcast success, including the architect, host, creative, and distributor, and offers practical advice on developing these skills within a team. They also highlight the significance of content distribution across various platforms and building a strong network in the podcasting space.

Ragen Dodson joins Steph Crugnola on Stacking Growth Snacks to cover Data Democratization. In this episode, she guides listeners through specific talk tracks that can help convince leadership to make the change. She highlights the most important benefits of switching to a Data Democracy to make it attractive to your C-Suite and stakeholders. See the video on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ subscribing to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Our September Expert Session, featuring Malin Wijenayake and Chris Walker, focused on YouTube Ad Strategy! Through the session, they covered: tools for measuring impact most efficient targeting options for each ad type options for developing ad creative successful examples of current ads benchmark metric goals and examples ...and more!    If you want to watch the full video, you can access it here on our YouTube page.   And, if you enjoy these sessions, make sure you mark your calendars for what's coming in Q4: B2B Marketing Roundtable w/ Refine Labs —a live, three-part series to help you fine-tune your 2025 strategy and make the most of your paid media. Our CEO, Megan Bowen, VP of Marketing, Evan Hughes, and other Refine Labs experts will be talking through the practical stuff that really matters when it comes to your 2025 plan.   Here's what we'll cover: October Session: Goal Setting for 2025 – How to plan for success without locking yourself into something rigid. November Session: Paid Media Efficiency – How to stop overspending and get more from your budget. December Session: Driving Real Change in Your Go-to-Market – How large organizations can make impactful, lasting changes.  

Ragen Dodson joins Steph Crugnola on Stacking Growth Snacks to cover Data Democratization. In this episode, she talks about the important tools to refresh and rely on when building a Data Democracy. She covers how to make sure your self serve data tools and CRM are user friendly and accessible, aligning measurement and metrics between sales and marketing, and when to bring in an objective, third party agency to help kickstart the process. See the video on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ subscribing to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Ragen Dodson joins Steph Crugnola on Stacking Growth Snacks to cover Data Democratization. In this episode, she talks about what Data Democratization is, what it looks like within a company, and the benefits it can bring for your teams. See the video on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Stay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ subscribing to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Evan Hughes joined Stacey Danheiser and Sarah Breathnach on a live Rev Genius event focused on delivering effective strategies for scaling companies. They address how to stand out in competitive markets, define ideal customer profiles, leverage content creation, and harness AI in marketing.  Packed with actionable advice on aligning sales and marketing teams, optimizing marketing metrics, and fostering effective communication with executives, this episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the fast-paced world of demand generation and startup growth. See full videos and more on our YouTube channel Stay on top of all Refine Labs news and events by subscribing to our newsletter.

Chris joined Mike Dias on the Scaleup Valley podcast to explore his career journey and the founding of Refine Labs and Passetto. He begins by discussing his early work in B2B companies, where he noticed a disconnect between market trends and traditional go-to-market strategies. His pivot to marketing in 2016 paved the way for the creation of Refine Labs in 2019. Chris shares his observations on the shift in market dynamics with rising interest rates and investor expectations pivoting towards profitability and efficiency, which prompted him to start Passetto. Expanding on his vision for the future, Chris elaborates on his newly-formed ecosystem comprising Refine Labs, Passetto, and Hatch. Designed to assist B2B companies in building a comprehensive go-to-market strategy, this ecosystem aims to tackle issues from data architecture to content creation. He addresses the importance of leveraging hybrid talent models and data-driven decisions to achieve efficient growth. Chris also touches on his leadership evolution, offering valuable advice on balancing internal team capabilities with external advisory support to execute go-to-market strategies effectively. If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you're working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here. Can't make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here. Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

Are you tired of the same old B2B marketing strategies that just aren't cutting it? Join us as we dive into the world of innovative marketing with Chris Walker, a true industry disruptor.Chris Walker, a visionary leader reshaping the B2B landscape, joins us today on the Conquer Local Podcast. As the founder of Refine Labs and Passetto, he's built a reputation for driving innovation and delivering bottom-line results. With a deep understanding of marketing, sales, and technology, Chris is challenging the status quo and offering fresh perspectives on B2B growth. Learn how to build a thriving business, master organic social media, and navigate the shift from growth at all costs to sustainable profitability. From scaling startups to optimizing go-to-market strategies, we cover it all.Tune in for actionable insights to supercharge your marketing efforts!Conquer Local is presented by Vendasta. We have proudly served 5.5+ million local businesses through 60,000+ channel partners, agencies, and enterprise-level organizations. Learn more about Vendasta, and we can help your organization or learn more about Vendasta's Affiliate Program and how our listeners (like yourself) make up to $10,000 off referrals.Are you an entrepreneur, salesperson, or marketer? Then, keep the learning going in the Conquer Local Academy.