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Stewart Butterfield is the co-founder of Slack and Flickr, two of the most influential products in internet history. After selling Slack to Salesforce in one of tech's biggest acquisitions, he's been focused on family, philanthropy, and creative projects. In this rare podcast appearance, Stewart shares the product frameworks and leadership principles that most contributed to his success. From “utility curves” to “the owner's delusion” to “hyper-realistic work-like activities,” his thoughts on craft, strategy, and leadership apply to anyone building products or leading teams.We discuss:1. Hyper-realistic work-like activities2. The owner's delusion3. Utility curves4. “Don't make me think”5. “We don't sell saddles here”6. Tilting your umbrella7. When to pivot—Brought to you by:WorkOS—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUsMetronome—Monetization infrastructure for modern software companiesLovable—Build apps by simply chatting with AI—Transcript: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/slack-founder-stewart-butterfield—My biggest takeaways (for paid newsletter subscribers): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/i/178320649/my-biggest-takeaways-from-this-conversation—Where to find Stewart Butterfield:• X: https://x.com/stewart• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/butterfield—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Stewart Butterfield(04:58) Stewart's current life and reflections(06:44) Understanding utility curves(10:13) The concept of divine discontent(15:11) The importance of taste in product design(19:03) Tilting your umbrella(28:32) Balancing friction and comprehension(45:07) The value of constant dissatisfaction(47:06) Embracing continuous improvement(50:03) The complexity of making things work(54:27) Parkinson's law and organizational growth(01:03:17) Hyper-realistic work-like activities(01:13:23) Advice on when to pivot(01:18:36) The importance of generosity in leadership(01:26:34) The owner's delusion—Referenced:• Slack: https://slack.com• Flickr: https://www.flickr.com• Cal Henderson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamcal• Blok: https://blok.so• Brandon Velestuk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-velestuk-6018721b• Magic Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Link• Ticketmaster: https://www.ticketmaster.com• John Collison on X: https://x.com/collision• Patrick Collison on X: https://x.com/patrickc• Sundar Pichai on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sundarpichai• Three Questions with Slack's CEO: https://www.technologyreview.com/2014/11/21/170330/three-questions-with-slacks-ceo• Six Sigma: https://www.6sigma.us• What is kaizen and how does Toyota use it?: https://mag.toyota.co.uk/kaizen-toyota-production-system• John Collison's post on X about passion projects: https://x.com/collision/status/1529452415346302976• Parkinson's law: https://www.economist.com/news/1955/11/19/parkinsons-law• We Don't Sell Saddles Here: https://medium.com/@stewart/we-dont-sell-saddles-here-4c59524d650d• Glitch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch_(video_game)• IRC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC• This will make you a better decision-maker | Annie Duke (author of “Thinking in Bets” and “Quit,” former pro poker player): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/making-better-decisions-annie-duke• The woman behind Canva shares how she built a $42B company from nothing | Melanie Perkins: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-making-of-canva• Prisoner's dilemma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma• Stewart Little: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Little• Dharma and Greg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma_%26_Greg• Stewart's post on X referencing “the owner's delusion”: https://x.com/stewart/status/1223286626991796224—Recommended books:• Principles: Life and Work: https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Life-Work-Ray-Dalio/dp/1501124021• Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress―and How to Bring It Back: https://www.amazon.com/Why-Nothing-Works-Killed-Progress_and/dp/154170021X• Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind: https://www.amazon.com/Positioning-Battle-Your-Al-Ries/dp/0071373586• Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away: https://www.amazon.com/Quit-Power-Knowing-When-Walk/dp/0593422996—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.com

Amit walked away from being President of 1-800-Flowers after scaling it from $500M to $2B because he saw smart people trapped in dumb systems. His insight: half of global GDP is 90% manual work—salespeople entering data instead of selling, technicians reading manuals instead of fixing. He started Instalily in Spring 2023 when everyone said AI agents were impossible. Instead of replacing workers, he built AI that finds signals in noise—telling each salesperson exactly which deal to focus on right now. The results are insane: $1M ARR within months, tripling revenue year two, delivering $150M+ value to single customers. His secret? While competitors pitched flashy demos, Amit's team attended 100+ trade shows to understand actual operator pain. They hired fresh AI grads who "shipped fearlessly" instead of senior talent stuck in old paradigms.Why You Should Listen:How "operator market fit" beats product market fit for enterprise salesThe GTM playbook that hit $1M ARR in months by attending 100+ trade showsWhy hiring AI-native grads crushed hiring senior talent for AI productsHow focusing on time-to-value unlocked enterprise dealsThe counterintuitive approach: augment the best parts of jobs, not the worstKeywords:startup podcast, startup podcast for founders, Instalily, Amit Shah, AI agents, enterprise sales, operator market fit, B2B SaaS, AI automation, vertical SaaS00:00:00 Intro00:04:42 Leaving 1-800-Flowers00:09:55 Starting when everyone said AI agents were impossible00:11:51 The vision—amplify the best parts of work, not replace the worst00:16:59 Operator market fit over product market fit00:20:48 Landing first $2B enterprise customers 00:29:00 The 100+ trade show GTM strategy that actually worked00:33:02 Why they hired AI-native grads instead of senior talent00:34:51 Hitting $1M ARR in monthsRetrySend me a message to let me know what you think!

When markets are kind, anyone can look like a genius. The test arrives when conditions turn—your systems, skills, and character decide what happens next.  What are the five drivers every leader must master? The five drivers are: Self Direction, People Skills, Process Skills, Communication, and Accountability. Mastering all five creates resilient performance across cycles. In boom times (think pre-pandemic luxury hotels in Japan) tailwinds mask weak leadership; in shocks (closed borders, supply chain crunches) only strong drivers keep teams delivering. As of 2025, executives in multinationals, SMEs, and startups alike need a balanced "stack": vision and values (Self Direction), talent and trust (People), systems and analytics (Process), clear messaging and questions (Communication), and personal ownership (Accountability). If one leg is shaky, the whole table wobbles. Do now: Score yourself 1–5 on each driver; identify your lowest two and set 30-day improvement actions.  Mini-summary: Five drivers form a complete system; strength in one can't compensate for failure in another. How does Self Direction separate steady leaders from "lucky" ones? Self-directed leaders set vision, goals, and culture—and adjust fast when reality bites. Great conditions or an inherited A-team help, but hope isn't a strategy. As markets shift in APAC, the US, or Europe, leaders with grounded values and a flexible ego change course quickly; rigid, oversized egos drive firms off cliffs faster. The calibration problem is real: we need enough ego to lead, not so much that we ignore evidence. In practice that means owner-dated goals, visible trade-offs, and a willingness to reverse a decision when facts change. Do now: Write a one-page "leader operating system": purpose, top 3 goals, non-negotiable values, and the conditions that trigger a pivot.  Mini-summary: Direction + adaptability beats bravado; values anchor the pivot, not the vanity. Why are People Skills the new performance engine? Complex work killed the "hero leader"; today's results flow from psychologically safe, capability-building teams.Whether you run manufacturing in Aichi, B2B SaaS in Seattle, or retail in Sydney, you need the right people on the bus, in the right seats. Trust is the currency; without it, there is no team—only compliant individuals. Servant leadership isn't slogans; it's practical: career conversations, strengths-based job fit, and coaching cadences. Climbing over bodies might have worked in 1995; in 2025 it destroys engagement, innovation, and retention. Do now: Map your team on fit vs. aspiration. Realign one role this fortnight and schedule two growth conversations per week for the next month.  Mini-summary: Build safety, match talent to roles, and coach growth; teams create the compounding returns, not lone heroes. What Process Skills keep quality high without killing initiative? Well-designed systems prevent good people from failing; poor processes turn stars into "low performers." Leaders must separate skill gaps from system flaws. Mis-fit is common—asking a big-picture creative to live in spreadsheets, or a detail maven to blue-sky strategy all day. Across sectors, involve people in improving the workflow; people support a world they help create. And yes, even "Driver" personalities must wear an Analytical hat for the numbers that matter: current, correct, relevant. Toyota's jidoka lesson applies broadly: stop the line when a defect appears, then fix root causes. Do now: Run a 60-minute process review: map steps, assign owners, check inputs/outputs, and identify one automation or simplification per step.  Mini-summary: Design beats heroics; match roles to wiring, make data accurate, improve the system with the people who run it. How should leaders communicate to create alignment that sticks? Great leaders talk less, listen more, and ask sharper questions—then verify that messages cascade cleanly.Communication isn't a TED Talk; it's a discipline. Listen for what's not said, surface hidden risks, and test understanding down the line. In Japan, nemawashi-style groundwork builds alignment before meetings; in the US/EU, crisp owner-dated action registers keep pace high without rework. In regulated fields (finance, healthcare, aerospace), clarity reduces audit friction; in creative and GTM teams, it accelerates experiments. Do now: Install a weekly "message audit": sample three layers (manager, IC, cross-function) and ask them to restate priorities, risks, and decisions in their own words.  Mini-summary: Listen deeply, question precisely, and ensure the message survives the org chart; alignment is measured at the edges. Where does Accountability start—and how do you make it contagious? Accountability starts at the top: the buck stops with the leader, without excuses—and then cascades through coaching and controls. As of 2025, boards and regulators demand both outcomes and evidence. Strong leaders admit errors quickly, fix them publicly, and maintain systems that track results and compliance. Accountability isn't blame; it's ownership plus support: clear goals, training, checkpoints, and consequences. In startups, this prevents "move fast and break the law"; in enterprises, it fights bureaucratic drift. Do now: Publish a one-page scoreboard each Monday (KPIs, leading indicators, risks) and hold a 15-minute review where owners report facts, not stories.  Mini-summary: Model ownership, build coaching and monitoring into the cadence, and make evidence a habit—not a surprise inspection. How do you integrate the five drivers across markets and company types? Balance is contextual: tighten controls in high-risk/low-competency zones; grant autonomy in low-risk/high-competency zones. Multinationals can borrow playbooks (RACI, stage gates), but SMEs need lightweight equivalents to preserve speed. Startups should resist the "super-doer" trap by delegating outcomes early; listed firms should fight analysis paralysis by protecting experiments inside guardrails. Across Japan, the US, and Europe, leaders who pair people development with process discipline outperform through cycles because capability compounds while compliance holds. Do now: Build a "risk × competency" grid for your top workflows and adjust oversight accordingly within 48 hours. Review monthly as skills rise.  Mini-summary: Tune people and process to context; move oversight with risk and capability, not with habit. Conclusion: strength in all five, not perfection in one Leadership success is engineered, not gifted by luck. When conditions turn, Self Direction provides the compass, People Skills provide power, Process Skills provide traction, Communication provides cohesion, and Accountability provides grip. Work the system, in that order, and your organisation will keep moving—legally, safely, profitably—even when the weather's foul.  Author Credentials Dr. Greg Story, Ph.D. in Japanese Decision-Making, is President of Dale Carnegie Tokyo Training and Adjunct Professor at Griffith University. He is a two-time winner of the Dale Carnegie "One Carnegie Award" (2018, 2021) and recipient of the Griffith University Business School Outstanding Alumnus Award (2012). As a Dale Carnegie Master Trainer, Greg is certified to deliver globally across all leadership, communication, sales, and presentation programs, including Leadership Training for Results. He has written several books, including three best-sellers — Japan Business Mastery, Japan Sales Mastery, and Japan Presentations Mastery — along with Japan Leadership Mastery and How to Stop Wasting Money on Training. His works have been translated into Japanese, including Za Eigyō (ザ営業), Purezen no Tatsujin (プレゼンの達人), Torēningu de Okane o Muda ni Suru no wa Yamemashō (トレーニングでお金を無駄にするのはやめましょう), and Gendaiban "Hito o Ugokasu" Rīdā (現代版「人を動かす」リーダー).

In this episode, I sit down with Eli Rubel, CEO of Profit Lab, an organization specializing in finance, strategic planning, and bookkeeping services for agencies. Eli discusses his journey from chasing the dream of taking a company public to prioritizing financial freedom and personal happiness, which he calls the 'tricycle lifestyle.' He talks about the importance of profit goals, the intricacies of running multiple companies, and strategies for achieving high profit margins in the agency world. Learn about the agency cycle of sadness, the significance of clear financial metrics, and Eli's playbook for growing agencies successfully. Stick around for insights into managing work-life balance, setting non-negotiables, and navigating the challenges of scaling a business. Connect with Eli on LinkedIn and subscribe to his newsletter 'The Profit Forecast' for more actionable strategies.00:47 Eli's Motivation and the 'Tricycle Lifestyle'03:35 Building and Growing Agencies06:07 Challenges and Lessons Learned09:06 Non-Negotiables and Personal Milestones13:37 Financial Strategies and Profitability25:33 Growth Playbook and Marketing StrategiesConnect with Eli: • Folks can connect with me on Linkedin: Eli Rubel and subscribe to my free newsletter where I send actionable nuggets for agency owners every week. Profit Labs: www.profit-labs.co - bookkeeping, accounting, and strategic finance for agency owners.SurveyGate: www.surveygate.co collect client feedback automatically to reduce churn and increase retention. Matter Made: www.mattermade.co paid media and performance marketing for B2B SaaS technology companies. NoBoringDesign: www.noboringdesign.com marketing design subscriptions, web design, and brand for businesses who want to stand out.Agency Resource https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gQ303hecl1VjNAjJdTxI-WNTfECvEHUSBzJOfw87lPg/edit?gid=1651481327#gid=1651481327Eli's newsletter: https://www.newsletter-signup.com/the-profit-forecast/Connect with Raul: • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io/apply • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/resources• Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

Every founder dreams of standing out, but too many end up sounding the same. Michelle Erikson, Vice President at Straylight Capital, has witnessed her share of B2B SaaS investment trends. In this episode, Michelle explores what she sees as the (unwelcome) "commoditization of entrepreneurship," which sectors this benefits and diminishes, and when marketing can be the key differentiator in a crowded deal landscape. She also shares how marketers can influence investment conversations, when it's crucial to have a "professionalized" brand, and the advantages and pitfalls of a founder-led strategy.

SummaryIn this episode of the In/organic Podcast, co-host Christian Hassold shares insights from the KPMG Technology M&A Conference, discussing the current landscape of mergers and acquisitions, particularly in the tech sector. In this episode, Christian shares highlights from the conference, including the pervasive influence of AI on M&A decisions, the challenges and opportunities presented by the AI investing landscape, and the importance of creative deal structures in navigating the current market dynamics. The episode also covers the “operator's dilemma” faced by CEOs - that is, the rise in peer pressure to do M&A, and what are the best practices are from leading strategics. Finally, Hassold provides an overview of current B2B SaaS deal activity and market trends based on Pitchbook data.TakeawaysThe KPMG M&A Conference provided valuable insights into current market dynamics.AI is a major factor influencing M&A decisions and strategies.VCs are increasingly making investments in AI startups without getting governance rights, and not always checking the underlying economics of the businessThe operator's dilemma highlights the challenges that CEOs face in mergers and acquisitions (M&A).Corporate development roles are seeing a significant increase in demand.Top CEOs simplify their M&A strategies to focus on core problems.Deal activity in the tech sector is on the rise, indicating a healthy market.Earnouts are becoming a significant component of deal structures.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Context of the Episode02:50 Insights from the KPMG M&A and Tech Conference06:04 AI's Pervasive Influence on Tech and M&A08:54 The AI Investing Landscape11:40 Deal Structures Sparking Innovation16:42 The Operator's Dilemma in M&A21:48 Corporate Development and Deal Activity24:38 Priorities in M&A for Corporates vs. Private Equity29:19 Case Studies of Successful M&A Strategies32:59 Market Update on Deal Activity and EarnoutsConnect with Christian and AyeletAyelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.coIn/organic on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InorganicPodcast/featuredEpisode ReferencesKPMG M&A Conference AgendaKPMG 2025 Deal Market Study (buyer priorities)Kirkland & Ellis M&A Bring Down Report 2025 (earnout data) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jason Patel is the Co-founder and CEO of Open Forge AI, a B2B SaaS company that helps businesses expand their visibility across AI-driven search and answer engines. Before this, he built and successfully exited Transizion, an edtech company providing personalized career and college guidance. At Open Forge AI, Jason leads strategy and product development, leveraging his expertise in technology and marketing. He holds a bachelor's degree in political communication from The George Washington University.  In this episode… The marketing landscape is evolving faster than ever, driven by the rapid integration of AI into search and discovery. Traditional SEO strategies that once guaranteed visibility are losing traction as generative AI reshapes how consumers find products, services, and brands. So how can businesses ensure they're not left behind in this new digital frontier? Drawing from his experience building AI-powered marketing tools, Jason Patel emphasizes that visibility in the age of ChatGPT requires more than traditional SEO tactics. He highlights how AI technologies are changing the rules of discoverability — brands must now optimize for ChatGPT and other AI systems, not just Google. By building tools that make websites machine-readable, automating content creation, and improving third-party citations, he's helping businesses future-proof their marketing strategies for a world where AI agents decide what gets seen. His approach bridges technical precision with strategic insight, giving companies the edge they need to stay competitive. In this episode of the Inspired Insider Podcast, Dr. Jeremy Weisz sits down with Jason Patel, Co-founder and CEO of Open Forge AI, to discuss how AI is transforming marketing visibility. They explore what GEO means for modern businesses, how AI agents are reshaping content strategy, and why technical optimization is vital for AI readiness. Jason also shares practical tips for entrepreneurs looking to leverage AI as a growth amplifier rather than a threat.

Refine Labs CEO Megan Bowen joins Evan Kirstel for a deep-dive into how B2B marketing must evolve for the AI era. The conversation covers modern go-to-market models, buyer-centric strategies, and how Refine Labs helps companies drive measurable pipeline growth through data, experimentation, and cultural excellence.1. Speakers and RolesMegan Bowen – CEO of Refine Labs. With 20 years in B2B SaaS at companies like Zocdoc, Grubhub, and WeWork, she brings deep expertise in modernizing go-to-market strategy and redefining marketing measurement.Evan Kirstel– Host and interviewer. Brings over 30 years in tech sales and marketing leadership.2. Topics CoveredThe evolution of B2B buying and selling from the analog to the AI era.Why traditional MQL-based marketing is outdated.The “Brand, Demand, Expand” model for full-funnel growth.Refine Labs' AI strategy and benchmarking methodology.Alignment between sales and marketing in 2025.The future of content creation and human creativity in an AI-driven market.Building company culture around people-first principles.The Refine Labs Vault: democratizing growth frameworks and insights.3. Questions This Video Helps AnswerWhat's fundamentally broken about traditional B2B marketing models?Why is the MQL metric no longer a reliable measure of success?How should marketers adapt to buyer-led decision-making?What is the “Brand, Demand, Expand” framework, and how does it work?How is AI transforming marketing operations and customer acquisition?How can companies build a people-first culture that drives performance?4. Jobs, Roles, and Responsibilities MentionedCEO, CMO, VP of Marketing, Sales teams, Customer Success and Account Management, Marketing Operations and Creative roles, Content strategists and paid media managers5. Frameworks and Concepts MentionedBrand, Demand, Expand (three-pillar GTM framework)Ideal Customer Profile (ICP)Buyer-centric marketingAI-powered benchmarksRevenue funnel analysis and pipeline conversion optimization6. Related ResourcesRefine Labs: https://www.refinelabs.comThe Vault: access to Refine Labs frameworks and community.HubSpot (mentioned as part of inbound marketing evolution)Grandin Holdings (Refine Labs investment partner)

What will be the SaaS Pricing Strategy 2026? In this episode, Joran sits down with Tjitte Joosten—known as T.J.—to discuss the evolving world of SaaS pricing and how founders can adapt to change without losing momentum. T.J. works full-time in pricing and packaging for SaaS and AI companies. Before that, he spent years in early-stage ventures, helping them find product-market fit and close major deals. Those experiences taught him how to win large accounts without over-discounting and how to leave room for long-term growth.Through that process, T.J. discovered that pricing is not just about numbers but also about psychology and behavioral economics. The same solution can sell for $10,000 or $50,000 depending on the story told. After meeting his co-founder, who was already working in pricing, T.J. transitioned into it full-time—and it became his passion.Their conversation explores how SaaS pricing is evolving, how to experiment with models safely, when to raise prices, how to communicate changes effectively, and how freemium models may evolve in the AI era.Key Timecodes(0:00) - B2B SaaS & AI Pricing Expert(0:05) - TJ Joosten on Value Storytelling(1:13) - Future of SaaS Pricing 2026(1:28) - Why Hybrid Pricing Wins(3:10) - The Pricing Switch Risk(3:27) - Technical Debt of Pricing(5:15) - How to Test New Pricing(6:40) - Entitlement & Packaging(7:13) - When to Raise Prices(8:49) - Timing Strategy: Netflix Case(10:04) - Communicating Price Changes(11:10) - Freemium in the AI Era(12:33) - The Cost of Free Users(13:38) - From $0 to $10K MRR(14:42) - Scaling to $10M ARR(15:56) - The Founder's Role in Pricing(16:32) - Connect with TJ Joosten

The journey from aerospace engineering at NASA to serial entrepreneur isn't a well-trodden path but it's one that's worked for Adam Markowitz. In this episode of The SaaS Revolution Show, Alex Theuma talks with the Drata Co-founder and CEO about the journey from NASA, to edtech, to Drata and how lessons at each stage led him to the next. From finding product-market fit and executing at speed, to building a culture of trust and timing the market just right, Adam shares the learnings behind Drata's rapid rise from $0-100M ARR in four years. Listen to learn: - How NASA inspired Adam's founder mindset and approach to problem-solving - The “lightning in a bottle” moment that catapulted Drata's product-market fit - How strategy, execution, and timing team became Drata's competitive advantage - Why a partner-led GTM strategy helped Drata scale faster - How AI is transforming compliance and customer expectations in SaaS Guest links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/markowitzadam/ Website - https://drata.com/       Check out the other ways SaaStock is helping SaaS founders move their business forward: 

Send us a textLive from digitalNow 2025 in Chicago, this special edition of Sidecar Sync brings together voices from across the association world, sharing real-life examples of AI implementation, leadership innovation, and strategic transformation. Mallory Mejias speaks with leaders from the American Paint Horse Association, the Missouri State Teachers Association, AGRiP, and more to uncover how associations are moving from ideation to execution with AI. Whether it's slashing support calls with AI chatbots or overhauling strategic planning using the St. Louis Arch as a metaphor, this episode is packed with inspiration, practical takeaways, and a healthy dose of in-person energy. 

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Follow me @samirkaji for my thoughts on the venture market, with a focus on the continued evolution of the VC landscape.Welcome back to another episode of Venture Unlocked, the podcast that takes you behind the scenes of the business of venture capital.Today, I sat down with Rob Go, Co-Founder and Partner at NextView, to discuss the shift in seed-stage investing and what seed funds need to consider to remain viable. The conversation was sparked by a series of Posts Rob wrote, the first of which was called a Crisis Moment in Seed. We spent a lot of time talking about what inspired the post and how seed managers should adapt to the shifted market. For anyone investing at seed, this is a must listen as Rob shared so many insightful views.Thanks for listening to another episode of Venture Unlocked. We hope you enjoyed our conversation with Rob. If you'd like to get Venture Unlocked content straight to your inbox, go to ventureunlocked.substack.com and sign up, or go to Apple Podcasts or Spotify and subscribe. Thanks again for listeningAbout Rob GoRob Go is the co-founder and partner of NextView Ventures, a thematic seed-stage venture capital firm focused on investing in founders solving meaningful problems for everyday people. Before launching NextView, Rob was a venture capitalist at Spark Capital, where he focused on the intersection of media, technology, and entertainment.Earlier in his career, Rob led the “Finding” business unit at eBay, where he helped design and launch over 20 products that transformed the platform's search and merchandising experience. He also worked in strategy consulting at The Parthenon Group, focusing on consumer and retail industries, and held product management roles at Fidelity Investments and BzzAgent.Rob holds a B.S. in Economics from Duke University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. Beyond venture, he's a founding member of Highrock Church in Brookline, MA, and a dedicated husband and father who values family and faith as deeply as entrepreneurship.NextView Ventures is an early-stage venture capital firm founded in 2010, with offices in New York, Boston, and San Francisco. They focus on seed-stage investments, typically ranging from around $250K to $4M, in companies building consumer, fintech, digital health, and B2B SaaS solutions that reshape what they call the everyday economy The firm has backed a number of notable companies, including ThredUp, Grove Collaborative, WHOOP, and TripleLift, all of which have achieved significant exits or growth milestones. Their hands-on, founder-first approach and thematic focus have helped them build a strong track record in seed investing.During the conversation, we discussed:* The Venture Landscape's Evolution Since 2011 (3:27)* The Entry of Accelerators Like YC and Mega Funds (6:21)* The Role of YC's Offer Structure in the Seed Market (9:14)* Mega Funds and the Influence of the Power Law (12:21)* AI's Market Impact and Opportunities for Seed Investors (15:18)* Defensibility and Differentiation in AI Applications (18:17)* The Importance of Distinct Strategies for Seed Funds (21:37)* Super Compounder Versus Classic Venture Approaches (24:26)* Adjusting Capital Allocation for Non-Consensus Companies (27:26)* The Role of Optionality in Navigating Downstream Capital (30:35)* NextView's Tactical Shift Toward Data and AI Tools (33:27)* Lessons on Discipline, Dogmatism, and Missed Opportunities (36:22)I'd love to know what you took away from this conversation with Rob. Follow me @SamirKaji and give me your insights and questions with the hashtag #ventureunlocked. If you'd like to be considered as a guest or have someone you'd like to hear from (GP or LP), drop me a direct message on X. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit ventureunlocked.substack.com

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss essential sales frameworks and why they often fail today. You will understand why traditional sales methods like Challenger and SPIN selling struggle with modern complex purchases. You will learn how to shift your sales focus from rigid, linear frameworks to the actual non-linear journey of the customer. You will discover how to use ideal customer profiles and strong documentation to build crucial trust and qualify better prospects. You will explore methods for leveraging artificial intelligence to objectively evaluate sales opportunities and improve your go/no-go decisions. Watch this episode to revolutionize your approach to high-stakes complex sales. Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-sales-frameworks-basics-and-ai.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. **Christopher S. Penn – 00:00** In this week’s In Ear Insights. Even though AI is everywhere and is threatening to eat everything and stuff like that, the reality is that people still largely buy from people. And there are certainly things that AI does that can make that process faster and easier. But today I thought it might be good to review some of the basic selling frameworks, particularly for companies like ours, but in general, to help with complex sales. One of the things that—and Katie, I’d like your take on this—one of the things that people do most wrong in sales at the very outset is they segment out B2B versus B2C when they really should be segmenting out: simple sale versus complex sales. Simple sales, a pack of gum, there are techniques for increasing number of sales, but it’s a transaction. **Christopher S. Penn – 00:48** You walk into the store, you put down your money, you walk out with your pack of gum as opposed to a complex sale. Things like B2B SaaS software, some versions of it, or consulting services, or buying a house or a college education where there’s a lot of stakeholders, a lot of negotiation, and things like that. So when you think about selling, particularly as the CEO of Trust Insights who wants to sell more stuff, what do you think about advising people on how to sell better? **Katie Robbert – 01:19** Well, I should probably start with the disclaimer that I am not a trained salesperson. I happen to be very good with people and reading the situation and helping understand the pain points and needs pretty quickly. So that’s what I’ve always personally relied on in terms of how to sell things. And that’s not something that I can easily teach. So to your point, there needs to be some kind of a framework. I disagree with your opening statement that the biggest problem people have with selling or the biggest mistake that people make is the segmentation. I agree with simple versus complex, but I do think that there is something to be said about B2B versus B2C. You really have to start somewhere. **Katie Robbert – 02:08** And I think perhaps maybe if I back up even more, the advice that I would give is: Do you really know who you’re selling to? We’re all eager to close more business and make sure that the revenue numbers are going up and not down and that the pipeline is full. The way to do that—and again, I’m not a trained salesperson, so this is my approach—is I first want to make sure I’m super clear on our ideal customer profile, what their pain points are, and that we’re super clear on our own messaging so that we know that the services that we offer are matching the pain points of the customers that we want to have in our pipeline. When we started Trust Insights, we didn’t have that. **Katie Robbert – 02:59** We had a good sense of what we could do, what we were capable of, but at the same time were winging it. I think that over the past eight or so years we’ve learned a lot around how to focus and refine. It’s a crowded marketplace for anyone these days. Anyone who says they don’t really have competitors isn’t really looking that hard enough. But the competitors aren’t traditional competitors anymore. Competitors are time, competitors are resources, competitors are budget. Those are the reasons why you’re going to lose business. So if you have a sales team that’s trying to bring in more business, you need to make sure that you’re super hyper focused. So the long-winded way of saying the first place I would start is: Are you very specifically clear on who your ideal customer is? **Katie Robbert – 03:53** And are there different versions of that? Do they buy different things based on the different services that you offer? So as a non-salesperson who is forced to do sales, that’s where I. **Christopher S. Penn – 04:04** would start. That’s a good place to start. One of the things, and there’s a whole industry for this of selling, is all these different selling frameworks. You will hear some of them: SPIN selling, Solution Selling, Insight Selling, Challenger, Sandler, Hopkins, etc. It’s probably not a bad age to at least review them in aggregate because they’re all very similar. What differentiates them are specific tactics or specific types of emphasis. But they all follow the same Kennedy sales principles from the 1960s, which is: identify the problem, agitate the customer in some way so that they realize that the problem is a bigger problem than they thought, provide a solution of some point, a way, and then tell them, “Here’s how we solve this problem. Buy our stuff.” That’s the basic outline. **Christopher S. Penn – 05:05** Each of the systems has its own thin slice on how we do that better. So let’s do a very quick tour, and I’m going to be showing some stuff. If you’re listening to this, you can of course catch us on the Trust Insights YouTube channel. Go to Trust Insights.AI/YouTube. The first one is Solution Selling. This is from the 1990s. This is a very popular system. Again, look for people who actually have a problem you can fix. Two is get to know the audience. Three is the discovery process where you spend a lot of time consulting and asking the person what their challenges are. **Christopher S. Penn – 05:48** Figure out how you can add value to that, find an internal champion that can help get you inside the organization, and then build the closing win. So that’s Solution Selling. This one has been in use for almost 40 years in places, and for complex sales, it is highly effective. **Katie Robbert – 06:10** Okay. What’s interesting, though, is to your point, all the frameworks are roughly the same: give people what they need, bottom line. If you want to break it down into 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 different steps because that’s easier for people to wrap their brains around, that’s totally fine. But really, it comes down to: What problems do they have? Can you solve the problem? Help them solve the problem, period. I feel, and I know we’re going to go through the other frameworks, so I’ll save my rant for afterwards. **Christopher S. Penn – 06:47** SPIN Selling, again, is very similar to the Kennedy system: Understand the situation, reveal the pain points, create urgency for change, and then lead the buyers to conclude on their own. This one spends less time on identifying the customers themselves. It assumes that your prospecting and your lead flow engine is separate and working. It is much more focused on the sales process itself. If you think about selling, you have business development representatives or sales development representatives (SDRs) up front who are smiling and dialing, calling for appointments and things like that, trying to fill a pipeline up front. Then you have account executives and actual sales folks who would be taking those warmed-up leads and working them. SPIN Selling very much focuses on the latter half of that particular process. The next one is Insight Selling. Insight Selling is a. **Christopher S. Penn – 07:44** It is differentiated by the fact that it tries to make the sales process much more granular: coaching the customer, communicating value, collaborating, accelerating commitment, implementing by cultivating the relationship, and changing the insight. The big thing about Insight Selling is that instead of very long-winded conversations and lots of meetings and calls, the Insight Selling process tries to focus on how you can take the sales process and turn it into bite-sized chunks for today’s short attention span audience. So you set up sales automation systems like Salesforce or marketing automation, but very much targeted towards the sales process to target each of these areas to say, what unusual insight can I offer a customer in this email or this text message, whatever essentially keeps them engaged. **Christopher S. Penn – 08:40** So it’s very much a sales engagement system, which I think. **Katie Robbert – 08:45** Makes sense because on a previous episode we were talking about client services, and if your account managers or whoever’s responsible for that relationship is saying only “just following up” and not giving any more context, I would ignore that. Following up on what? You have to remind me because now you’ve given me more work to do. I like this version of Insight Selling where it’s, “Hey, I know we haven’t chatted in a while, here’s something new, here’s something interesting that’s pertaining to you specifically.” It’s more work on the sales side, which quite honestly, it should be. Exactly. **Christopher S. Penn – 09:25** Insight Selling benefits most from a shop that is data-driven because you have to generate new insights, you have to provide things that are surprising, different takes on things, and non-obvious knowledge. To do that, you need to be plugged into what’s going on in your industry. If you don’t do that, then obviously your insights will land with a thud because your prospects will be, “Yeah, I already knew that. Tell me something I don’t know.” The Sandler Selling System is again very straightforward: Bonding, rapport, upfront contracts, which is the unique thing. They are saying be very structured in your sales process to try to avoid wasting people’s time. So every meeting should have a clear agenda that you’re going to cover in advance. Every meeting should have a purpose: uncovering pain points, finding budget. **Christopher S. Penn – 10:19** Budget is a distinctly separate step to say, “Can you even pay for our services?” If you can’t pay for our services, there’s no point in us going on to have this conversation. Then decision making, fulfillment, and post-sale. The last one, which probably is the most well known today, is the Challenger Sales Methodology. Challenger is what everybody promotes when you go to a sales event. It has been around for about 10 years now, and it is optimized for the complex sale. The six steps of Challenger are: warming, which is again rapport building; reframing the customer’s problem in a way that they didn’t know. **Christopher S. Penn – 11:05** So they borrowed from Insight Selling to say, “How can we use data and research to alter the way that somebody thinks about their problems into something that is more urgent?” Then you take them into rational drowning: Here’s what happens if you don’t do the thing, which addresses the number one competitor that most of us have, which is no decision, emotional impact. What happens if you don’t do the thing? Here’s a new way of doing the thing, and then of course, our way, and you try to close the sale. Challenger is probably again the one that you see the most these days. It incorporates chunks of the other systems, but all the different systems are appropriate based on your team. **Christopher S. Penn – 11:51** And that’s the part that a lot of people I think miss about sales methodologies: there isn’t a guaranteed working system. There are different systems that you choose from based on your team’s capabilities, who your customers are, and what works best for that combination of people. **Katie Robbert – 12:14** I’m going to say something completely out of character. I think frameworks are too rigid. That’s not something that you would normally catch me saying because generally I say I have a framework for that. But when it comes to sales, the thing that strikes me with all of these frameworks is it’s too focused on the salesperson and not focused enough on the customer that they’re selling to. You could argue that maybe the Insight Selling framework is focused a little bit more on the customer. But really, the end goal is to make money off of someone who may or may not need to be buying your stuff. Sales has always given me the ick. I get that it’s a necessary evil, but then—I don’t know—the. **Katie Robbert – 13:11** The thought of going in with a framework, and this is exactly how you’re going to do it. I can understand the value in doing that because you want people doing things in a fairly consistent way. But you’re selling to humans. I feel like that’s where it gets a little bit tricky. I feel like in order for me—and again, I’m an N of 1, I recognize this all the time, this is my own personal feelings on things—in order to feel comfortable with selling, I feel like there really needs to be trust. There needs to be a relationship that’s established. But it also comes down to what are you selling? Is it transactional? If I’m selling you a pack of gum, I don’t need to build trust and relationship. You have a clear need. **Katie Robbert – 13:55** You have stinky breath, you want to get some gum, you want to chew on it, that’s fine, go buy it. You and I don’t need to have a long interaction. But when you’re talking about the type of work that we do—customer service, consulting, marketing—there needs to be that level of trust and there needs to be that relationship. A lot of times it starts even before you get into these goofy sales frameworks, where someone saw one of us speaking on stage and they saw that we have authority. They see that we can speak articulately, maybe not right that second in an articulate way. They see that we are competent, and they’re like, “Huh, okay, that’s somebody that I could see myself working with, partnering with.” **Katie Robbert – 14:43** That kind of information isn’t covered in any of those frameworks: the trust building, the relationship building. It might be a little nugget at the beginning of your sales framework, but then the other 90% of the framework is about you, the salesperson, what you’re going to get out of your potential customer. I feel like that is especially true now where there’s so much spammy stuff and AI stuff. We’re getting inundated with email after email of, “Did you see my last email? I know you’re not even signed up for my thing, but I’m still trying to sell you something.” We’re so overwhelmed as consumers. Where is that human touch? It’s gone. It’s missing. **Christopher S. Penn – 15:29** So you’re 100% correct. The sales frameworks are targeted towards getting a salesperson to do things in a standardized manner and to cover all the bases. One of the things that has been a perpetual problem in sales management is, “What is this person not doing that should be moving the deal forward?” So for example, with Challenger, if a salesperson’s really good at emotional impact—they have good levels of empathy—they can say, “Yeah, this challenge is really important to your business,” but they’re bad at the reframe. They won’t get the prospect to that stage where their skills are best used. So I think you’re right that it’s too rigid and too self-centered in some respects. **Christopher S. Penn – 16:17** But in other respects, if you’re trying to get a person to do the thing, having the framework to say, “Yeah, you need to work on your reframing skills. Your reframing skills are lackluster. You’re not getting the prospects past this point because you’re not telling them anything they don’t already know.” When you don’t have a differentiator, then they fall back on, “Who’s the lowest price?” That doesn’t end well, particularly for complex sales. What is missing, which you identified exactly correctly, is there is no buyer-side sales framework. What is happening with the buyer? You see this in things like our ideal customer profiles. We have needs, pain points, goals, motivations in the buying process as part of that, to say what is happening. **Christopher S. Penn – 17:03** So if you were to take Challenger—and we’ve actually done this and I need to publish it at some point—what would the buyer’s perspective of Challenger be? If the salesperson said, “Build rapport,” the buyer side is, “Why should I trust this person?” If the seller side is “reframe,” the buyer side is, “Do I understand the problems I have? And does the salesperson understand the problems that I have? I don’t care about new insights. Solve my problem.” If the seller side is rational drowning, the buyer side is, “What is working? What isn’t working?” Emotional impact is where they do align, because if you have a whole bunch of stuff that’s not working, it has emotional impact. “New way” from the seller side becomes, for the buyer side, “Why is this better?” **Christopher S. Penn – 17:59** Why is this better than what we’re already doing? And then our solution versus the existing solution, which is typically, again, our number one sales competitor is no decision. One of the things that does not exist or should exist is using—and this is where AI could be really helpful—an ideal customer profile combined with a buyer-side buying framework to say, “Hey salesperson, you may be using this framework for your selling, but you’re not meeting the buyer where they are.” **Katie Robbert – 18:35** I also wonder, too. We often talk about how the customer journey is broken in a way because there’s an assumption that it’s linear, that it goes from step one to step two to step three to step four. I look at something like the Challenger framework and my first thought is, “Well, that’s assuming that things go in a linear and then this and then this fashion.” What we know from a customer journey, which to your point we need to marry to the selling journey, is it’s not always linear. It doesn’t always go step one to step two to step three. I may be ready for a solution, and my salesperson who’s trying to sell me something is, “Wait a second, we need to go through the first four steps first because that’s how the framework works.” **Katie Robbert – 19:24** And then we’ll get to your solution. I’m already going to get frustrated because I’m thinking, “No, I already know what the thing is. I don’t want to go through this emotional journey with you. I don’t even know you. Just sell me something.” I feel like that’s also where, in this context, frameworks are too rigid. Again, I’m all for a framework in terms of getting people to do things in a consistent way so you build that muscle memory. They know the points they’re supposed to hit. Then you need to give them the leeway to do things out of order because humans don’t do things in a linear way every single time as well. **Katie Robbert – 20:03** I think that’s what I was trying to get at: it’s not that I don’t think a framework is good for sales. I think frameworks are great, I love them. But every framework has to have just enough flexibility to work with the situation. Because very rarely, if ever, is a situation set up perfectly so that you can execute a framework exactly the way that it’s meant to be run. That’s one of the challenges I see with the sales framework: there’s an assumption that the buyer is going through all of these steps exactly as it’s outlined. And when you train someone on a framework to only follow those steps exactly in that order, that’s when, to your point, they start to fall down on certain pieces because they’re not adaptable. They can’t. **Katie Robbert – 20:52** Well, no, we’ve already done the self-awareness part of it. I can’t go backwards and do that again. We did that already. I’m ready to sell you something. I feel like that’s where the frustration starts 100%. **Christopher S. Penn – 21:04** So in that particular scenario, what we almost need to teach people is it’s the martial arts. There’s this expression: learn the basic, vary the basic, leave the basic behind. You learn how to do the thing so that you can actually do the thing, learn all the different variations, and eventually you transcend it. You don’t need that example anymore because you’ve learned it so thoroughly. You can pull out the pieces that you need at any given time, but to get to that black belt level of mastery, you need to go through all the other belts first. I think that’s where some of the frameworks can be useful. Whereas, to your point, if you rigidly lock people into that, then yeah, they’re going to use the wrong tool at the wrong time. **Christopher S. Penn – 21:49** The other thing—and this is something which is very challenging, but important—is if your sales team is properly trained and enabled, the incentive structure for a salesperson is to sell you something. There may be situations—we’ve run into plenty of them as principals of the company—where we’ve got nothing to sell you. There’s nothing that will fix your problem. Your problem is something that’s outside the scope of what we offer. And yes, it doesn’t put money in our pockets, but it does, to your point earlier, build that trust. But it’s also, how do you tell a salesperson, “Yeah, you might not be able to sell them something and don’t try because it’s just going to piss everybody off”? **Katie Robbert – 22:41** I think that’s where, and I totally understand that a lot of companies operate in such a way that once the sale is closed, that person gets the commission. Again, N of 1, this is the way that I would do it. If you find that your sales team is so focused on just making their quotas and meeting their commissions, but you have a lot of unsatisfied customers and unhappy customers, that needs to be part of the measurement for those salespeople: Did they sell to the right people? Is the person satisfied with the sale? Did they get something that they actually needed? Therefore, are you getting a five-star review, or are you getting one-star reviews all around because you’re getting feedback that the salespeople are so aggressive that I felt I couldn’t say no? **Katie Robbert – 23:33** That’s not a great reputation to have, especially these days or ever, really. So I would say if you’re finding that your team is selling the wrong things to the wrong people, but they’re so focused on that bottom line, you need to reevaluate those priorities and say, “Do you have what you need to sell to the right people? Do you know who the right people are?” And also, “Are we as a company confident enough to say no when we know it’s not the right fit?” Because that is a differentiator. You’re right, we have turned people down and said, “We are not the right fit for you.” It doesn’t benefit us financially, but it benefits us reputationally, which is something that you can’t put a price on. **Christopher S. Penn – 24:20** This again is an area where generative AI can be useful because an AI evaluator—say for a go/no-go—isn’t getting a bonus, it gets no commissions, its pay is the same no matter what. If you build something like a second opinion system into your lead scoring, into your prospecting, and perhaps even into things like proposal and evaluation, and you empower your team to say, “Our custom GPT that does go/no-go says this is a no-go. Let’s not pursue this because we’re not going to win it.” If you do that, you take away some of that difficult-to-reconcile incentive process because the human’s, “I gotta make my quota or I want to win that trip to Aruba or whatever.” **Christopher S. Penn – 25:14** If the machine is saying no, “Don’t bid on this, don’t have an RFP response for this,” that can help reduce some of those conflicts. **Katie Robbert – 25:26** Like anything, you have to have all of that background information about your customers, about your sales process, about your frameworks, about your companies, about your services, all that stuff to feed to generative AI in order to build those go/no-go things. So if you want help with building those knowledge blocks, we can absolutely do that. Go to Trust Insights.AI/contact. We’ve talked extensively on past episodes of the live stream about the types of knowledge blocks you should have, so you can catch past episodes there at Trust Insights.AI/YouTube. Go to the “So What” playlist. It all starts with knowledge blocks. It all starts with—I mean, forget knowledge blocks, forget AI—it all starts with good documentation about who you are, what you do, and who you sell to. **Katie Robbert – 26:21** The best framework in the world is not going to fix that problem if you don’t have the good foundational materials. Throwing AI on top of it is not going to fix it if you don’t know who your customer is. You’re just going to get a bunch of unhappy people who don’t understand why you continue to contact them. Yep. **Christopher S. Penn – 26:38** As with everything, AI amplifies what’s already there. So if you’re already doing a bad job, it’s going to help you do a worse job. It’ll do a worse job. **Katie Robbert – 26:45** Much new tech doesn’t solve old problems, man. **Christopher S. Penn – 26:49** Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts about sales frameworks and how selling is evolving at your company and you want to share your ideas, pop on by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights.AI/analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,500 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. Wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights.AI/CIPodcast. You can find us at all the places that podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you on the next one. **Katie Robbert – 27:21** Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. 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Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the “So What” Livestream, webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights are adept at leveraging cutting-edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations: data storytelling. This commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources which empower marketers to become more data-driven. **Katie Robbert – 29:30** Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. 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Newly promoted and still stuck in "super-doer" mode? Here's how to rebalance control, culture, and delegation so the whole team scales—safely and fast.  Why do new managers struggle when they're promoted from "star doer" to "leader"? Because your brain stays in production mode while your job has shifted to people, culture, and systems. After promotion, you're accountable not only for your own KPIs but for the entire team's outcomes. It's tempting to cling to tasks you control—dashboards, sequencing, reporting—because they're tangible and quick wins. But 2025 leadership in Japan, Australia, the US, and Europe demands more: setting strategy, articulating vision, and developing capability. The pivot is psychological—move from "I produce" to "I enable production," or you'll cap growth and burn out. Do now: List your top five "leader-only" responsibilities and five tasks to delegate this week; schedule handovers with owners and dates.  Mini-summary: New leaders fail by over-doing; succeed by re-wiring attention from personal output to team capability. What's the practical difference between managing processes and leading people? Managers ensure things are done right; leaders ensure we're doing the right things—and growing people as we go.Processes secure quality, timeliness, budget discipline, and compliance. Leadership adds direction: strategy, culture, talent development, and context setting. Across sectors—manufacturing in Aichi, B2B SaaS in Seattle, retail in Sydney—over-indexing on process alone turns humans into "system attachments," stifling initiative and innovation. Over-indexing on people without controls risks safety, regulatory breaches, and inconsistent delivery. The art is dynamic dosage: tighten or loosen controls as competency, risk, and stakes shift. Do now: For each workflow, rate "risk" and "competency." High risk/low competency → tighter checks; low risk/high competency → more autonomy.  Mini-summary: Processes protect, people propel; leaders tune both based on risk and capability. How much control is "just enough" without killing initiative or risking compliance? Use the guardrail test: prevent safety/compliance violations while leaving room for stretch, accountability, and growth. Post-pandemic supply chains, ESG scrutiny, and Japan's regulator expectations mean leaders can't "set and forget." Too few checks invite fines—or jail time for accountable officers; too many checks create Theory X micromanagement that freezes learning. Borrow from Toyota's jidoka spirit: stop the line when risk spikes, but otherwise let teams problem-solve. In SMEs and startups, standardise the critical few controls (safety, security, data) and keep the rest principle-based to preserve speed. Do now: Write a one-page "controls charter" listing non-negotiables (safety, compliance) and "managed freedoms" (experiments, pilots, scope to improve).  Mini-summary: Guardrails first, freedom second—enough control to stay legal and safe, enough autonomy to develop people. How do I stop doing my team's work and start scaling through delegation? Delegate outcomes, not chores—and accept short-term pain for long-term scale. Many first-time managers keep their player tasks because they distrust others or fear being accountable for mistakes. That works for a quarter, not a year. By FY2026, targets rise while your personal capacity doesn't. Multinationals from Rakuten to Siemens train leaders to assign the "what" and "why," agree on milestones and quality criteria, then coach on the "how." Expect a temporary dip as skills climb; measure trajectory, not perfection. Do now: Pick two tasks you still hoard. Define success, constraints, and checkpoints; delegate by Friday, then coach at the first checkpoint.  Mini-summary: Let go to grow; specify outcomes and coach to capability. How can I balance micro-management and neglect in day-to-day leadership? Replace "hovering" and "hands-off" with scheduled, high-leverage follow-up. Micromanagement announces low trust; neglect announces low care. Instead, run structured check-ins: purpose, progress, problems, pivots. In regulated environments (banks, healthcare, manufacturing), confirm evidence of controls; in creative or GTM teams, probe learning, experiments, and customer signals. Across APAC, leaders who share decision frameworks (RACI/DACI; risk thresholds; escalation paths) cut rework and surprise escalations. Do now: Implement a weekly 20-minute "PPP" per direct report—Progress (facts), Problems (risks), Pivots (next choices)—with artefacts attached in advance.  Mini-summary: Neither smother nor ignore—use predictable, evidence-based check-ins to align and de-risk. When should leaders "lead from the front" versus "get out of the way"? Front-load leadership in ambiguity; step back once clarity, competence, and controls exist. In crises, new markets, or safety-critical launches, visible, directive leadership calms noise and sets pace (think: first 90 days of a turnaround or a factory start-up). As routines stabilise, flip to servant leadership: remove blockers, broker resources, and celebrate small wins. In Japan, Nemawashi-style groundwork before meetings accelerates execution; in the US and Europe, crisp owner-dated action registers keep speed without rework. The best leaders oscillate based on context, not ego. Do now: For each initiative, label its phase (Explore/Build/Run). Explore = lead hands-on; Build = co-pilot; Run = empower with audits.  Mini-summary: Lead hard in fog; empower once the road is clear and guardrails hold. Conclusion: your real job is capability, culture, and controlled freedom Great organisations don't trade people for process or vice-versa—they orchestrate both. As of 2025, the winners grow leaders who tune controls to risk, develop people faster than targets rise, and delegate outcomes with smart follow-up. Stop carrying the team on your back. Build a team that carries the work—safely, compliantly, and proudly.  Optional FAQs Is micromanagement ever right? Only for high-risk, low-competency tasks; use it briefly, with a plan to taper. What if my team is slower than me? That's normal initially; coach cadence and quality, not perfection. How do I avoid regulator trouble? Document controls, evidence checks, and incident response paths; audit monthly. What do I say to ex-peers I now manage? Reset expectations: new role, shared goals, clear decision rights, and escalation routes.  Next steps for leaders/executives Write your one-page controls charter and review it with Legal/Compliance. Convert two "player" tasks into delegated outcomes this week. Install weekly PPP check-ins with artefacts attached in advance. Map each initiative to Explore/Build/Run and adjust your involvement accordingly.  Author Credentials Dr. Greg Story, Ph.D. in Japanese Decision-Making, is President of Dale Carnegie Tokyo Training and Adjunct Professor at Griffith University. He is a two-time winner of the Dale Carnegie "One Carnegie Award" (2018, 2021) and recipient of the Griffith University Business School Outstanding Alumnus Award (2012). As a Dale Carnegie Master Trainer, Greg is certified to deliver globally across all leadership, communication, sales, and presentation programs, including Leadership Training for Results. He has written several books, including three best-sellers — Japan Business Mastery, Japan Sales Mastery, and Japan Presentations Mastery — along with Japan Leadership Mastery and How to Stop Wasting Money on Training. His works have been translated into Japanese, including Za Eigyō (ザ営業), Purezen no Tatsujin (プレゼンの達人), Torēningu de Okane o Muda ni Suru no wa Yamemashō (トレーニングでお金を無駄にするのはやめましょう), and Gendaiban "Hito o Ugokasu" Rīdā (現代版「人を動かす」リーダー). Greg also publishes daily business insights on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter, and hosts six weekly podcasts. On YouTube, he produces The Cutting Edge Japan Business Show, Japan Business Mastery, and Japan's Top Business Interviews. 

Recorded live at the SaaS Summit in Amsterdam, this episode of the Grow Your B2B SaaS Podcast dives into a focused conversation with Mark Appel, Chief Marketing Officer at Sendcloud. As one of Europe's fastest-growing B2B SaaS platforms, Sendcloud operates across eight European markets, generating close to 60 million in annual recurring revenue with a team of about 450. In this discussion, Mark reveals how Sendcloud approaches international scaling, builds cross-functional go-to-market alignment, identifies and prioritizes compounding growth loops, and integrates AI agents across marketing and GTM operations. He also reflects on what he would do differently if he could rebuild a SaaS go-to-market motion from scratch, what early-stage founders should focus on to reach their first 10K MRR, and how to evolve from feature-led messaging to a brand-led narrative on the path to 10 million ARR.Key Timecodes(00:00) – Intro: Scaling B2B SaaS, Growth Loops & AI GTM 2026(01:10) – Guest Intro: Mark Appel, CMO of Sendcloud(01:39) – Company Snapshot: €60M ARR, 450 Employees, 8 Markets(02:20) – 2026 Focus: International SaaS Scaling Strategy(02:36) – Cross-Functional GTM: Marketing, Sales & CS Alignment(03:26) – GTM Motion: Hybrid PLG + SLG in B2B SaaS(03:39) – Finding Growth Loops Across 8 Countries(04:34) – Working Growth Loops: Demand to Revenue Flywheel(05:15) – Platform Network Effects: Merchants, Carriers & Partners(06:13) – Built-in Virality: Tracking Emails as Growth Channel(06:51) – Ad Break: Reditus Affiliate & Referral Growth(07:35) – AI for GTM 2026: AI SDRs & Marketing Agents(08:50) – AI Implementation: Challenges & Early Adoption(09:55) – Biggest GTM Shift: Retention, Expansion & Automation(10:22) – PLG in Product: Driving Adoption via In-App Prompts(11:40) – Rebuilding GTM: Cross-Functional Pods by Segment(12:41) – Segmentation: Startup to Enterprise Strategy(13:21) – Future Growth Loops: Consumer Visibility for SaaS(14:41) – 0 to 10K MRR: In-Market Demand & Search Campaigns(15:34) – 10K MRR to €10M ARR: Brand-Led SaaS Growth(16:03) – Connect with Mark Appel: LinkedIn & Email(16:18) – Outro & CTA: Subscribe, Sponsor & Learn via Reditus

Welcome to the Artificial Intelligence Podcast with Jonathan Green!In this episode, we delve into the profound impact of AI on customer experience with our esteemed guest, Mary Poppen. With over two decades of experience in the B2B SaaS technology space, Mary shares her insights on how businesses can strategically use AI to enhance customer interactions while avoiding common pitfalls.Mary emphasizes the importance of balancing AI's scalability with human oversight to maintain a high-quality customer experience. She discusses how data and AI can be leveraged to predict customer needs and personalize interactions, ultimately strengthening customer loyalty and improving satisfaction.Notable Quotes: "The beauty of AI is not just in automating tasks, but in uncovering insights from data that we could never discern as humans." - [Mary Poppen]"AI is most effective when it enhances, rather than replaces, the human touch in customer interactions." - [Mary Poppen]"If AI's learning from bad information or no one is checking the validity, it's just perpetuating bad advice." - [Mary Poppen]"A customer's journey should be defined by their needs and experiences, not just by the available technology." - [Mary Poppen]During the episode, Jonathan and Mary explore the idea that AI should not substitute direct communication between businesses and customers but rather complement it. They discuss the role of AI in interpreting vast amounts of customer data to predict behaviors and improve service delivery. Connect with Mary Poppen:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marypoppen/Mary introduces her organization's approach to integrating employee and customer experience, using AI to create efficiencies and enhance the overall experience for both. For companies looking to refine their customer experience strategy with expert guidance, this episode is full of valuable insights and practical advice.Tune in to discover how AI can revolutionize customer experience while maintaining the crucial human element that defines excellent service.Connect with Jonathan Green The Bestseller: ChatGPT Profits Free Gift: The Master Prompt for ChatGPT Free Book on Amazon: Fire Your Boss Podcast Website: https://artificialintelligencepod.com/ Subscribe, Rate, and Review: https://artificialintelligencepod.com/itunes Video Episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@ArtificialIntelligencePodcast

Russ has started and sold multiple companies over 30 years, but his Dynamic Signal journey will change how you think about product-market fit. They had $5M ARR selling influencer marketing software. Then Russ told investors to pretend the $5M didn't exist and bet on a $200K pipeline instead. That pivot led to 600 Fortune 2000 customers and an exit at $50M ARR. Now building his AI measurement startup Larridin, Russ shares why being a repeat founder creates a different problem—everyone tells you your idea is great even when it's not. His solution? Don't believe anything until someone writes a check.Why You Should Listen:Why he walked away from $5M ARR to pursue a $200K pipeline.How emergent user behavior revealed a $50M business.Why "everyone loving your idea" means nothing.Why finding product-market fit is only step 1.Keywords:startup podcast, startup podcast for founders, Dynamic Signal, Russ Glass, product-market fit, enterprise sales, employee advocacy, pivot strategy, B2B SaaS, influencer marketing00:00:00 Intro00:01:36 30 years of Silicon Valley startups00:03:05 Dynamic Signal's original idea00:07:29 The emergent behavior that changed everything00:15:38 Walking away from $5M ARR to pursue a $200K opportunity00:18:23 Why product-market fit is never final00:22:14 Selling Dynamic Signal 00:24:30 Starting Laridin00:36:34 Raising $17M as a repeat founder—why everyone says yesSend me a message to let me know what you think!

Humanisation in B2B marketing almost feels like a buzzword. But the sentiment behind it is growing increasingly important in a sea of B2B sameness fuelled by AI. In this episode, learn what breaks through the slop, and what B2B customers now want to see from brands: Not just photos of your team on your 'About Us' page, but human soul, artistry, and love. Hear from Deema Tamimi, VP Marketing at The Brief, who recently undertook a rebranding project that was fuelled with humanity. 

aas.unbound is a podcast for and about founders who are working on scaling inspiring products that people love, brought to you by https://saas.group/, a serial acquirer of B2B SaaS companies.In episode #47 of season 5, Anna Nadeina talks with Vova, founder of Freemius, an all-in-one platform for payments, subscriptions, and taxes, helping you sell software globally while focusing on building great products.----------- Episode's Chapters -----------0:00 — Introduction to Freemium and Vova1:47 — Origin Story: From Side Project to Business4:40 — Early Customer Acquisition Challenges9:36 — Evolution of Pricing Strategy14:08 — Recent Pricing Changes and Growth Model22:12 — Building and Nurturing the Community31:01 — Hiring Strategy and Team Building39:29 — Expanding Beyond WordPress46:05 — Implementing AI in Business Operations57:27 — Biggest Wins and Lessons LearnedVova Feldman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vovafeldman/Freemius - https://freemius.comSubscribe to our channel to be the first to see the interviews that we publish - https://www.youtube.com/@saas-groupStay up to date:Twitter: https://twitter.com/SaaS_groupLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/14790796

Jen Abel is GM of Enterprise at State Affairs and co-founded Jellyfish, a consultancy that helps founders learn zero-to-one enterprise sales. She's one of the smartest people I've ever met on learning enterprise sales, and in this follow-up to our first chat two years ago (covering the zero to $1 million ARR founder-led sales phase), we focus on the skills founders need to learn to go from $1M to $10M ARR.We discuss:1. Why the “mid-market” doesn't exist2. Why tier-one logos like Stripe and Tesla counterintuitively make the best early customers3. The dangers of pricing your product at $10K-$20K4. Why you need to vision-cast instead of problem-solve to win enterprise deals5. Why services are the fastest way to get your foot in the door with enterprises6. How to find and work with design partners7. When to hire your first salesperson and what profile to look for—Brought to you by:WorkOS—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUsLovable—Build apps by simply chatting with AICoda—The all-in-one collaborative workspace—Where to find Jen Abel:• X: https://x.com/jjen_abel• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/earlystagesales• Website: https://www.jjellyfish.com—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Welcome back, Jen!(04:38) The myth of the mid-market(08:08) Targeting tier-one logos(10:50) Vision-casting vs. problem-selling(15:35) The importance of high ACVs(20:45)  Don't play the small business game with an enterprise company(25:09) Design partners: the double-edged sword(28:11) Finding the right company(36:55) Enterprise sales: the art of the deal(43:21) The problem with channel partnerships(44:41) Quick summary(50:24) Hiring the right enterprise salespeople(56:49) Structuring sales compensation(01:01:01) Building relationships in enterprise sales(01:02:07) The art of cold outreach(01:07:31) Outbound tooling and AI(01:14:08) Lightning round and final thoughts—Referenced:• The ultimate guide to founder-led sales | Jen Abel (co-founder of JJELLYFISH): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/master-founder-led-sales-jen-abel• Mario meme: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/missing-meme-led-me-woman-johann-van-tonder-im6df• Kathy Sierra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Sierra• Cursor: https://cursor.com• The rise of Cursor: The $300M ARR AI tool that engineers can't stop using | Michael Truell (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-rise-of-cursor-michael-truell• Justin Lawson on X: https://x.com/jjustin_lawson• Stripe: https://stripe.com• Building product at Stripe: craft, metrics, and customer obsession | Jeff Weinstein (Product lead): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-product-at-stripe-jeff-weinstein• He saved OpenAI, invented the “Like” button, and built Google Maps: Bret Taylor on the future of careers, coding, agents, and more: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/he-saved-openai-bret-taylor• OpenAI's CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil (CPO at OpenAI, ex-Instagram, Twitter): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/kevin-weil-open-ai• Anthropic's CPO on what comes next | Mike Krieger (co-founder of Instagram): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what-comes-next• Linear: https://linear.app• Linear's secret to building beloved B2B products | Nan Yu (Head of Product): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/linears-secret-to-building-beloved-b2b-products-nan-yu• Gemini: https://gemini.google.com• Microsoft Copilot: https://copilot.microsoft.com• How Palantir built the ultimate founder factory | Nabeel S. Qureshi (founder, writer, ex-Palantir): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-palantir-nabeel-qureshi• McKinsey & Company: https://www.mckinsey.com• Deloitte: https://www.deloitte.com• Accenture: https://www.accenture.com• Building a world-class sales org | Jason Lemkin (SaaStr): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-world-class-sales-org• Peter Dedene on X: https://x.com/peterdedene• Hang Huang on X: https://x.com/HH_HangHuang• Hugo Alves on X: https://x.com/Ugo_alves• A step-by-step guide to crafting a sales pitch that wins | April Dunford (author of Obviously Awesome and Sales Pitch): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-step-by-step-guide-to-crafting• Clay: https://www.clay.com• Apollo: https://www.apollo.io• Jason Lemkin on X: https://x.com/jasonlk• Gavin Baker on X: https://x.com/GavinSBaker• Jason Cohen on X: https://x.com/asmartbear• Baywatch on Prime Video: https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Baywatch/0NU9YS8WWRNQO1NZD5DOQ3I8W6• Playground: https://www.tryplayground.com• ClassDojo: https://www.classdojo.com• Jason Lemkin's post about Replit: https://x.com/jasonlk/status/1946069562723897802—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.com

Jona Youdeem is a Senior Product Marketer at Xero, a global platform that helps small businesses manage their finances more efficiently. He focuses on helping entrepreneurs leverage AI to reduce inefficiencies and eliminate what he calls the "coordination tax." With over a decade of experience in product marketing, Jona has specialized in positioning, messaging, and go-to-market strategy across SaaS and AI-driven products. Jona blends customer insight, data, and creativity to build products that solve real-world business challenges. In this episode… Product marketing often sits at the crossroads of strategy, storytelling, and sales. But it's also one of the most misunderstood roles in B2B SaaS. Too often, it's boxed in as "launch support" or a "content engine," missing its deeper, strategic influence on growth. Does the real impact of product marketing come from how it connects insights, people, and processes across the entire business? According to Jona Youdeem, a product marketing leader focused on B2B SaaS and AI-powered go-to-market strategies, product marketing is a full-system discipline, not a single function. He believes its strength lies in connecting intelligence, positioning, launch execution, and enablement into one continuous loop that evolves with the product and market. Drawing from over a decade in SaaS and AI-driven products, Jona explains how real success comes from synthesizing signals to uncover insights others miss. He cautions against quick-fix consulting approaches that treat positioning as a one-time deliverable rather than a living process. In this episode of the Revenue Engine Podcast, host Alex Gluz is joined by Jona Youdeem, Senior Product Marketer at Xero, to discuss the real impact of product marketing in B2B SaaS. They explore why the discipline is so often misunderstood, how demand generation acts as a reality check for messaging, and why consultants often miss the bigger picture of positioning. Jona also shares his perspective on the future of marketing, explaining why human skills will matter even more in the age of AI.

Strategic pricing is a growth lever, not a calculation. Companies that align price with customer value typically see 15-25% revenue growth in year one. Key Pricing Psychology: The 3-Tier Model: Used by 70% of B2B SaaS companies, this model leverages psychology. The premium tier makes the middle tier (where most profit is captured) look like the "reasonable" choice. Persona-Based Pricing: Design pricing around the customer's jobs-to-be-done rather than linearly scaling features. Dan Balcauski - https://www.producttranquility.com/

Send us a textIn this episode of Sidecar Sync, Mallory Mejias is joined by marine biologist and behavioral researcher Dr. Denise Herzing for a one-of-a-kind conversation about dolphins, data, and deep learning. Dr. Herzing shares insights from her 40-year study of Atlantic spotted dolphins and how that lifetime of underwater research is now powering DolphinGemma—an open-source large language model trained on dolphin vocalizations. The two discuss what it means to label meaning in animal communication, how AI is finally catching up to the natural world, and why collaboration across disciplines is essential to understanding both language and intelligence—human or otherwise.Dr. Denise Herzing is the Founder and Research Director of the Wild Dolphin Project, leading nearly four decades of groundbreaking research on Atlantic spotted dolphins in the Bahamas. She holds degrees in Marine Zoology and Behavioral Biology (B.S., M.A., Ph.D.) and serves as an Affiliate Assistant Professor at Florida Atlantic University. A Guggenheim and Explorers Club Fellow, Dr. Herzing has advised the Lifeboat Foundation and American Cetacean Society and sits on the board of Schoolyard Films. Her work has been featured in National Geographic, BBC, PBS, Discovery, and her TED2013 talk. She is the author of Dolphin Diaries and co-editor of Dolphin Communication and Cognition. 

In this episode, we're joined by Pieter Boon, Co-founder at ImpactPilot, the customer success intelligence platform built for HubSpot. Pieter shares how he's helping SaaS companies turn their CS orgs into true growth engines, measuring impact instead of activity through a framework called the Impact Driver Methodology. Built on lessons from Google's 10,000-person post-sales organization, this approach gives CS teams concrete ways to track success before renewal, using impact points tied to real customer outcomes like ROI proof, API adoption, or multi-year deals. It's about replacing vague check-ins with measurable wins that move both customer and company forward. We dive deep into how teams implement and operationalize the system, from designing the right impact drivers to setting incentives, avoiding false positives, and keeping customer value at the center. Pieter also reveals data from Impact Pilot users showing that customers with high impact scores are 7× more likely to renew or expand, and how that changes how you coach, measure, and reward CS teams. Here are some of the key questions we address: What is the Impact Driver Methodology, and how does it solve the lagging-indicator problem in CS? How do you define and prioritize impact drivers that actually move the needle for customers? How can CS leaders design incentive models that balance company outcomes with customer value? What KPIs matter between onboarding and renewal, and how do you quantify “impact”? How can you use impact scoring to predict churn and expansion before it happens? What pitfalls to avoid, like rewarding “touches” instead of outcomes or overemphasizing feature use? How can early-stage SaaS teams implement this framework (and even start with a simple spreadsheet)? What's next for CS as a function, and why Pieter believes it's becoming the new growth engine for SaaS.

Why you should listenDiscover why targeting companies posting job ads on LinkedIn crushes cold outreach, and how Andy positions himself to connect directly with decision-makers actively looking for his expertise (no complex funnels required).Learn how podcasting opens doors. Andy shares how it gets him in front of impossible-to-reach prospects, plus the truth about why most consultants quit after two episodes.Get Andy's exact visibility playbook including how to leverage awards and PR for massive LinkedIn engagement, why offline networking is making a comeback, and the AI-powered intent data strategy that identifies which accounts are actively searching for solutions like yours right now.Most consultants hit the same wall. Their personal network dries up. Cold outreach feels like screaming into the void. Every marketing guru pushes complex funnels and expensive ad campaigns that don't work for high-ticket consulting.In this episode, Andy Culligan breaks down how he built his fractional CMO practice serving $10M-$50M SaaS companies without cold outreach at scale or massive marketing budgets.We explore why SaaS companies get stuck at key revenue milestones and what changes in their go-to-market approach. Andy shares his team's MarTech stack and how they've automated client operations using AI agents that analyze contracts and recommend pricing to prevent churn.If you're selling high-ticket services and tired of tactics that don't work for consultants, this delivers the blueprint.About Andy CulliganAndy is a fractional CMO, and CEO / Co-Founder at purple path, a GTM partner for B2B SaaS companies.Andy describes himself as a sales person stuck in a marketer's body, and excels in aligning marketing and sales teams to drive revenue growth.With over a decade of experience in SaaS martech, Andy has built and lead teams to success, making him the go-to CMO resource at a fraction of the cost.Resources and LinksPurplepath.ioAndy's LinkedIn profilegrowth path PodcastApollo.ioClayBomboraLeadfeederRiversidePrevious episode: 645 - How to Build AI Automations That Actually Make You Money with Jason AlbertiCheck out more episodes of the Paul Higgins PodcastSubscribe to our YouTube channel: @PaulHigginsMentoringJoin our newsletterSuggested resources

saas.unbound is a podcast for and about founders who are working on scaling inspiring products that people love, brought to you by https://saas.group/, a serial acquirer of B2B SaaS companies. In episode #45 of season 5, Anna Nadeina talks with Todd, founder of Prerender, one of the first brands we acquired at saas.group and now also a founder of LandingSite.ai, AI-Generated Websites For Every Industry.--------------Episode's Chapters----------------0:00 — Welcome to Sauce and Bound Podcast0:46 — Todd's Background and Early Career2:52 — The Birth of Pre-Render5:24 — Growing Pre-Render as a Solo Founder7:33 — The SaaS Group Acquisition9:56 — Transitioning to Landing Site.ai21:35 — Working with AI and Code Generation41:24 — Landing Site's Growth and Success44:45 — Bootstrapping an AI Company49:20 — Startup Psychology and Growth HacksTodd - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tohooper/ Langing Site - https://www.landingsite.ai/ Subscribe to our channel to be the first to see the interviews that we publish - https://www.youtube.com/@saas-groupStay up to date:Twitter: https://twitter.com/SaaS_groupLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/14790796

When attackers are smart enough to hit your backups, recovery becomes your best defense. Rubrik's Chief Product Officer, Anneka Gupta, joins host Corey Quinn to break down what true cyber resilience looks like in today's multi-cloud world. From AI-driven recovery to surviving ransomware with your data (and reputation) intact, this episode covers what it really takes to bounce back when everything goes sideways.Show Highlights(00:00) Introduction to Ransomware and Backups(00:25) Welcome to Screaming in the Cloud(00:32) Introducing Rubrik and Annika Gupta(01:26) What Does Rubrik Do?(02:18) Evolution of Backup and Recovery(03:37) Challenges in Cyber Recovery(05:33) Rubrik's Approach to Cyber Resilience(08:44) Importance of Cyber Recovery Simulations(09:40) Security vs. Operational Recovery(11:28) Assume Breach: A New Security Paradigm(14:29) Multi-Cloud Complexities and Security(27:45) Hybrid Cloud and Cyber Resilience(29:25) AI in Cyber Resilience(33:09) Conclusion and Contact InformationAbout Anneka GuptaAnneka Gupta is a senior executive leader with a proven track record of scaling successful B2B SaaS businesses from the ground up. She's led across product, tech, go-to-market, and operations, always with a customer-first mindset. Known for turning complex challenges into big wins, Anneka brings energy, innovation, and real-world results to every team she leads.She's been recognized as one of San Francisco Business Times' Most Influential Women in Business and 40 Under 40, as well as a Rising Star by AdExchanger and Marketing EDGE. Oh, and AdAge once named her one of the Top 10 Digital Marketing Innovators.Linksrubrik.com/sitchttps://www.linkedin.com/in/annekagupta/Sponsor: Rubrik 

Send us a textIn this solo episode, Mallory Mejias takes the reins to unveil what digitalNow 2025 reveals about the current state of AI in associations—spoiler alert: we're officially in the "AI adolescence" phase. From cultural adoption to trust-building, she unpacks the four key insights her analysis surfaced from the event's full schedule. But that's not all—Mallory goes off-script to live-build a conference session recommender app on air, showing how even non-technical folks can leverage AI for rapid, practical innovation. Whether you're attending digitalNow or just AI-curious, this episode is packed with strategic takeaways and an extra dose of hands-on fun.  

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Is an MBA still worth it for marketers in 2025, or should you learn by shipping work in public?Schools still broaden your network and expose you to many disciplines. The catch is that the tactical skills age fast, and AI is eating a lot of the output that used to signal competence. On the job, you can publish, get feedback, and adjust in real time.In this episode of B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks, host Brian Graf and Kalungi founder Stijn Hendrikse compare a traditional MBA path with “ship-every-day” alternatives like the altMBA, and what that means now that AI is everywhere. They share where formal study helps, where it falls short, and how to build your own playbook with T2D3.You'll hear a practical way to decide: school, work, or both. And how to stack real skills that compound for years, not months. The format follows our podcast intro template to keep things crisp and useful.Critical topics in this episodeWhy AI changes what “communication” meansWhere MBAs help, and where they don'tHow to learn by shipping, every dayHow to run real primary researchInvestor and hiring views on MBAs nowA T2D3 path to specialize with focusBy the end, you'll know when to pick school, when to learn on the job, and how to design a focused, personal “mini-MBA” that actually moves your career forward. Resources shared in this episode:Top 7 quick SaaS marketing certification coursesTop strategic B2B SaaS marketing certification courses for executivesThe New Divide: Syntropy Creators vs. Entropy Processors T2D3 CMO MasterclassSubmit and vote on our podcast topicsABOUT B2B SAAS MARKETING SNACKSSince 2020, The B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks Podcast has offered software company founders, investors and leadership a fresh source of insights into building a complete and efficient engine for growth.Meet our Marketing Snacks Podcast Hosts: Stijn Hendrikse: Author of T2D3 Masterclass & Book, Founder of KalungiAs a serial entrepreneur and marketing leader, Stijn has contributed to the success of 20+ startups as a C-level executive, including Chief Revenue Officer of Acumatica, CEO of MightyCall, a SaaS contact center solution, and leading the initial global Go-to-Market for Atera, a B2B SaaS Unicorn. Before focusing on startups, Stijn led global SMB Marketing and B2B Product Marketing for Microsoft's Office platform.Brian Graf: CEO of KalungiAs CEO of Kalungi, Brian provides high-level strategy, tactical execution, and business leadership expertise to drive long-term growth for B2B SaaS. Brian has successfully led clients in all aspects of marketing growth, from positioning and messaging to event support, product announcements, and channel-spend optimizations, generating qualified leads and brand awareness for clients while prioritizing ROI. Before Kalungi, Brian worked in television advertising, specializing in business intelligence and campaign optimization, and earned his MBA at the University of Washington's Foster School of Business with a focus in finance and marketing.Visit Kalungi.com to learn more about growing your B2B SaaS company.

Gigi Supplements, TrakPro and Cyber Cert Labs have been named as Dublin regional winners at this year's InterTradeIreland Seedcorn Investor Readiness Competition. The three categories included Business-to-Business, Business-to-Consumer and Deep Tech. TrakPro won in the B2B category, Gigi Supplements won in the B2C category, while Cyber Cert Labs won in the Deep Tech category. Each company received €50,000 and will advance to the All-Island final in Dublin on November 13th. The InterTradeIreland Seedcorn Investor Readiness Competition is the largest business competition of its kind on the island of Ireland, offering a total prize fund of €800,000 to promising start-ups and early-stage businesses. The Seedcorn competition offers start-up businesses the chance to win big without giving away an equity stake. B2B Category TrakPro is a B2B SaaS platform that streamlines subcontractor payment claims and commercial account management for the construction industry. The platform provides a centralised solution that automates compliance with payment legislation, integrates with construction ERP systems, and increases commercial team efficiency by 25%. Colm Brennan, CEO and Co-Founder of TrakPro, said: "We're absolutely delighted to have won the B2B category in the Dublin regional final of the InterTradeIreland Seedcorn competition. While I had the privilege of pitching, this achievement is truly a reflection of the entire TrakPro team's hard work, dedication and belief in our vision. The insights and guidance provided throughout the competition have been incredibly valuable as we prepare to embark on our pre-seed investment round." Pictured are Alison Currie, Director of Innovation and Entrepreneurship at InterTradeIreland, with Colm Brennan, CEO of Trak Pro B2C Category Gigi Supplements was founded by two registered Nutritional Therapists who specialise in female health. Together, they have a combined 12 years of experience working with clients in the nutrition space. They are passionate about empowering women to live happy and symptom-free at every stage of their reproductive lives and know just how impactful the right nutrients can be for female hormonal health. Jennie Haire, Co-Founder & CEO of Gigi Supplements, said: "Winning the InterTradeIreland Seedcorn regional finals means the world to us, and the incredible prize for the company is just the cherry on top. What started back in 2023 as a learning journey, where we reached the second round of the competition, to finally taking home the win today, is just the most incredible feeling. This has been the ultimate lesson in persistence. It's a competition like no other, and we've learned so much from it. We're proud and very grateful to have taken home this prize today. Third time lucky!" Deep Tech Category Cyber Cert Labs' mission is to revolutionise the way organisations approach cybersecurity by addressing end-to-end supply chain vulnerabilities. They develop software for digital product manufacturers, enabling them to embed cybersecurity into their development lifecycle. Their solutions also support businesses that purchase these products (e.g., IoT, OT, and software), ensuring secure operation as defined by the manufacturer. Patricia Shields, CEO & Co-Founder of Cyber Cert Labs, said: "We are so proud to be winners of the Dublin regional final in the Deep Tech category of the Seedcorn competition. It has been a wonderful experience and genuinely great preparation for Cyber Cert Labs as we go forward.. A massive thank you to InterTradeIreland for hosting the competition." All companies emerged victorious from a group of six innovative start-ups and early-stage businesses representing Dublin. They also included Harcourt Building Technologies, Polliknow and A Slice of Life. The regional final, held on October 22nd in Dublin, saw the finalists pitch their investment proposals to a panel of judges, including active investors. The Dublin regional winners will now compete for the ov...

saas.unbound is a podcast for and about founders who are working on scaling inspiring products that people love, brought to you by https://saas.group/, a serial acquirer of B2B SaaS companies. In episode #46 of season 5, Anna Nadeina talks with Alex, CEO and Founder of Competera, a pricing platform helping retailers increase their revenue. ----------- Episode's Chapters ----------- 00:00 - Meet Alex: From Medical Engineering to AI 02:33 - The Birth of Compra: Early Challenges and Innovations 07:47 - Navigating Enterprise Sales and AI Integration 10:13 - Overcoming API Roadblocks and Pivoting Strategies 15:18 - AI in Enterprise: Adoption and Challenges 30:02 - Discussing Pricing Strategies for Enterprise Customers 31:25 - Understanding Customer Acquisition Costs 32:51 - The Importance of Customer Feedback and Pricing Adjustments 37:26 - Challenges and Learnings in Enterprise Sales 39:40 - The Role of M&A Advisors and Strategic Partnerships 43:54 - Balancing Work and Life as a Founder Alex - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhalkin/ Competera - https://competera.ai/ Subscribe to our channel to be the first to see the interviews that we publish - https://www.youtube.com/@saas-group Stay up to date: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SaaS_group LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/14790796

Steffen Hedebrandt, CMO and Co-Founder at Dreamdata, joins FINITE to share a contrarian growth playbook for B2B scale-ups. We get into why “unserious” content (think memes and screenshots) drives serious pipeline, how to engineer organic LinkedIn that converts. Steffen breaks down connecting brand awareness to revenue with real signal, not vanity metrics - plus the experiments, frameworks, and attribution hygiene his team lives by.Finally, Steffen shares his enlightening take on what it takes to win as AI overviews and LLMs reshape search. If you're done with cookie-cutter demand gen, this conversation gives you the edges: creative that compounds, measurement that actually matters, and an AI-native approach to search that most marketers are sleeping on. 

A lot of B2B SaaS startups drown in vanity metrics while missing the core metrics that actually drive revenue growth. This tutorial walks you through the exact marketing trended funnel dashboard I've used with various clients to build proper measurement infrastructure and track the metrics that actually move the needle for your business in the early stages of GTM growth.This systematic approach to marketing measurement has helped clients identify where they're overspending, where to scale down budgets, and where to scale up to influence pipeline generation - against performance. Some clients have discovered 2-3x more qualified opportunities simply by analysing their data through this tracking approach.In this video, you'll discover:- The core funnel metrics every B2B SaaS startup should track.- Critical conversion rates that reveal where your funnel is performing well or not.- Which vanity metrics to avoid early on.- Why optimising too early can harm growth.- How to implement this measurement infrastructure using Google Sheets and your CRM.Perfect for B2B SaaS founders who need to understand which GTM channels actually work, and aspiring marketers who want to learn the systematic measurement approach that separates strategic marketers from tactical executors. This video focuses on building marketing infrastructure, not isolating and understanding "feel-good" metrics.

Ruta Sudmantaite and Emma Davies have built their careers across marketing, consulting, and now tech entrepreneurship. After meeting as teammates at a B2B SaaS company, they went on to become fractional CMOs, podcast co-hosts of Blame It On Marketing, and founders of their own startups - Lava Metrics, a marketing analytics platform, and Thesmia AI, a low-cost AI assistant for HR teams.In this episode, we talk about building while bootstrapping, the realities of fractional consulting, what it's like to start companies with your friends (and partners), and how they bring kindness, candor, and community into every room they enter.Here's what we cover:How Ruta and Emma went from coworkers to fractional CMOs and co-foundersThe differences between starting a consulting practice and a tech companyWhy they believe “two heads are better than one” in fractional workBuilding products without outside funding - patience, scrappiness, and first customersHow to disagree kindly, give feedback, and earn trust with in-house teamsWhy executive presence doesn't have to look like a suit or a scriptCreating community through honesty: confessions walls, career couches, and real talkThe power of female allies, industry besties, and personal boards of directorsAnd yes, Ruta's side business selling sourdough starter - and what it taught her about SEOKey Links:Guests: Ruta Sudmantaite: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rutasudmantaite/Emma Davies: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmadavies1989/ Host: Jane Serra: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janeserra/Thesmia AI: https://www.thesmia.ai/Lava Metrics: https://lavametrics.com/Blame it on Marketing Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/3X0IiwUIupVa4tCNg8AMpR?si=5d01dceb2c6d4c86Ruta's Epic UK Sourdough co: https://getsourdough.co.uk/––Like WIB2BM? Show us some love with a rating or review. It helps us reach more

Send us a textIn this episode, Mallory Mejias sits down with UX and content strategy expert Bryan Kelly to explore how the longevity economy—a massive shift toward a population dominated by adults over 50—is transforming digital experiences. Bryan dives into why designing for older adults is less about age and more about behaviors, values, and life stage. He breaks down the common UX mistakes organizations make and shares practical strategies for building trust, clarity, and confidence into every member interaction. The duo also discusses the powerful, and sometimes dangerous, intersection of AI and age bias, and how associations can prepare for a more nuanced, age-inclusive future. Bryan will also be keynoting at digitalNow 2025, so consider this your sneak preview! Bryan Kelly is a UX and content strategy leader focused on creating digital experiences that work better for adults over 50. He's delivered measurable results for brands like McAfee, Premera Blue Cross, EXPRESS, Home Depot, Orange Theory Fitness, and FedEx by transforming user insights into revenue-driving features. Blending product strategy, UX expertise, and business acumen, Bryan helps organizations better serve this experienced and influential audience. More About Bryan Kelly:https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryankellynow/

Short intro: Forgetting names kills first impressions. The good news: a few simple, repeatable techniques can make you memorable and help you recall others—consistently, even in noisy, post-pandemic mixers and business events.  Is there a simple way to say my name so people actually remember it? Yes: use “Pause, Part, Punch.” Pause before you speak, insert a brief “part” between your first and last name, then punch (emphasise) your surname. The pause stops the mental scroll, the parting creates a clean boundary (helpful in loud rooms or across accents), and the punch leaves a sticky final note—useful in Japan, the US, and Europe where surnames often carry professional identity. Executives at multinationals and SMEs alike can coach teams to deploy this consistently at trade shows, chambers of commerce events, and alumni nights. Over time, your name becomes an asset—clear, repeatable, and easy to introduce.  Do now: Practise: “Hello, my name is… (pause) …Keiko… (part)…TANAKA.” Record it, tweak cadence, rehearse daily.  What's the fastest framework to remember someone else's name on the spot? Start with LIRA: Look & Listen, Impression, Repetition, Association. First, give full visual and auditory attention—phones down, eyes up. Next, form a quick impression (“Mr Tall Suzuki with heavy rims”) to create a mental hook. Then repeat their name naturally in conversation (not creepily), and finish with an association—link to a character, place, or attribute you won't forget (e.g., Suzuki as “Japan's Clark Kent”). Compared with generic “memory palace” tricks, LIRA is lighter, faster, and better for high-tempo events as of 2025, across industries from B2B SaaS to professional services.  Do now: Use their name once early, once mid-chat, once when you part: “Thanks, Suzuki-san—great insight on logistics.”  How do I create vivid mental images that actually stick? Use PACE: Person, Action, Colour, Exaggeration. Picture the person like a movie poster with their name. Add an action tied to meaning or sound (Asakawa = fast-running stream). Layer in a colour cue (Mr Black, Ms White). Then exaggerate—big cape, soaring over Otemachi, a giant sign reading “SUZUKI.” This amps up memorability under cognitive load and cross-language settings (useful in Japan–APAC events where name sounds may be unfamiliar to English speakers). Compared with straight repetition, PACE exploits how our brains favour images and unusual scenes for recall.  Do now: On first hearing the name, take one second to sketch a wild, colourful micro-scene in your head—then lock it with a quick repeat.  Are there smart shortcuts for linking names to context? Yes—try BRAMMS: Business, Rhyme, Appearance, Meaning, Mind Picture, Similar Name. Tie the name to their business (Tokoro in real estate). Use a rhyme (“straight-back Tanaka”). Note a standout appearance cue (Onaka with a big belly). Leverage the meaning (Takai = tall; Minami = south). Make a mind picture (Abe as Abe Lincoln). Or a similar name pun (Kawai ~ kawaii). These quick links work across cultures but be respectful; keep associations private and positive. In cross-border teams (Tokyo vs. Sydney vs. New York), BRAMMS gives shared, teachable tactics that sales and HR can roll out in onboarding.  Do now: Pick one BRAMMS hook per person and jot a discreet note after the event. Consistency beats cleverness.  How do I avoid sounding weird when I use someone's name? Space it out and keep it situational. Use the name once as confirmation (“Did I hear Asakawa correctly?”), once to reinforce rapport (“Asakawa-san, that supply-chain example—brilliant”), and once to close (“Thanks, Asakawa-san, let's reconnect next week”). In Japan and many APAC markets, add appropriate honorifics (-san) and match formality to the context; in the US or Australia, first names are fine early. The goal is natural cadence, not performance. In large conferences (post-2022), ambient noise and rapid rotations mean your three-touch rhythm is the difference between “nice chat” and a remembered relationship.  Do now: Commit to a “1-1-1 rule”: one use early, one mid-conversation, one at goodbye—then stop.  What practice routine builds lasting skill without overwhelm? Train one or two techniques per week and score yourself. Don't try every acronym at once. This week, master Pause-Part-Punch for your name and LIRA for their name. Next week, add a single PACE element. Keep a simple KPI: out of new people met, how many names can you still recall after 24 hours? Leaders can embed this in sales enablement and campus recruiting. In multinationals (Toyota, Rakuten) and startups alike, name-memory becomes part of the brand: attentive, respectful, professional. Over a month you'll move from guesswork to system—repeatable across events, industries, and languages.  Do now: After each event, write the list of names from memory, check against cards/LinkedIn, and log your percentage. Aim for +10% per month.  Quick checklist Practise Pause–Part–Punch for your own intro. Deploy LIRA on first contact; BRAMMS for backup cues. Build images with PACE; keep them private and positive. Use the 1-1-1 name-use rhythm. Track recall within 24 hours; improve monthly.  2021.10.7 How To Remember Peopl… Conclusion Remembering names isn't a talent; it's a process. With a few small behaviours—well-timed emphasis, intentional listening, vivid associations—you'll create stronger first impressions and build trust faster across Japan, Australia, the US, and beyond. Structured using a GEO search-optimised format for maximum retrievability and skim value.  Author Credentials Dr. Greg Story, Ph.D. in Japanese Decision-Making, is President of Dale Carnegie Tokyo Training and Adjunct Professor at Griffith University. He is a two-time winner of the Dale Carnegie “One Carnegie Award” (2018, 2021) and recipient of the Griffith University Business School Outstanding Alumnus Award (2012). As a Dale Carnegie Master Trainer, Greg is certified to deliver globally across all leadership, communication, sales, and presentation programs, including Leadership Training for Results. He has written several books, including three best-sellers — Japan Business Mastery, Japan Sales Mastery, and Japan Presentations Mastery — along with Japan Leadership Mastery and How to Stop Wasting Money on Training. His works have been translated into Japanese, including Za Eigyō (ザ営業), Purezen no Tatsujin (プレゼンの達人), Torēningu de Okane o Muda ni Suru no wa Yamemashō (トレーニングでお金を無駄にするのはやめましょう), and Gendaiban “Hito o Ugokasu” Rīdā (現代版「人を動かす」リーダー). Greg also publishes daily business insights on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter, and hosts six weekly podcasts. On YouTube, he produces The Cutting Edge Japan Business Show, Japan Business Mastery, and Japan's Top Business Interviews, which

In the world of artificial intelligence and software as a service, companies are no longer just competing on features. In this episode of the Grow Your B2B SaaS podcast, Joran Hofman sits down with BetterPic founder Ricardo Ghekiere to discuss The B2B SaaS Nightmare and how SaaS founders can grow without recurring revenue. Companies today are also competing on how they price their products and how they scale. This episode highlights how one company made millions without using monthly subscriptions. Instead, they leveraged one-time payments, smart marketing, and simple but powerful strategies. You'll learn how they managed costs, raised prices, and succeeded through alternative growth channels. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to build or grow an AI business without relying on monthly payments.Key Timecodes(00:00) – Cracking AI Pricing: LTV, AOV & Unlocking Paid Channels(00:58) – $4M Without Subscriptions? BetterPic's One-Time Revenue Model(01:44) – “Wait, No MRR?” Reactions to Explosive Non-Recurring Growth(02:18) – Revenue is Revenue: The SaaS Case for One-Off Cash Flow(02:46) – Inside BetterPic: AI Headshots, B2B vs B2C, and Single-Purchase Strategy(03:28) – Subscription Apps vs Specialized AI Headshots: Who Wins?(03:51) – Why Headshots Don't Need Recurring Revenue + 45-Day Sprint Strategy(05:14) – Starting From Zero: The E-Commerce Mindset in SaaS(06:07) – From 70% COGS to 90% Margins: The AI-Native Advantage(06:44) – Building a Cost Moat: Raising Prices & Outspending Competitors(07:47) – Cutting GPU/API Costs: Internal AI Infra & Multi-Provider Routing(08:21) – The Recurring Revenue Goldmine in AI Infrastructure Optimization(08:36) – AI-Native vs AI Features: Pricing Pains of OpenAI APIs(09:36) – Why Buyers Choose AI-Native: QuickBooks vs Xero Example(11:02) – Open Source vs Closed LLMs: Pricing, Quality & Competitive Moats(11:52) – The Risk of No MRR: Surviving the Consumer AI Tsunami(13:18) – Pivot to Better Studio: Turning AI Headshots Into Recurring B2B(13:54) – Dual Engines: Scaling One-Time Sales While Building Recurring Revenue(15:16) – Fundraising Without MRR: Convincing Investors to Bet on the Team(17:10) – Startup Valuation: Group-Level Investment Across Two Brands(17:42) – How Low AOV Shapes Channel Strategy(18:57) – SEO & LinkedIn Hacks(19:56) – The Affiliate Engine: (20:42) – Stripe Upfront vs Net-30 Payments(21:04) – Designing High-Converting Affiliate Programs With Real Incentives(21:39) – Where the Affiliate Traffic Comes From: YouTube, Reddit, Display Ads(22:30) – SEO Benefits of Affiliates: Backlinks, Listicles, and Rankings(23:34) – LLM-Generated Listicles: Dominating Google & AI Discovery(24:16) – How a $49 AOV Made Google Ads Profitable(25:34) – Scaling Paid Channels: CAC, LTV, and AOV in Sync(25:59) – Paid Channel Stacking: The Compounding Effect in Growth(26:25) – No MRR? Fast Sales Cycles & Upfront Payments Explained(28:17) – Speed to Value: AI Headshots Delivered in 30 Minutes(28:58) – Pricing Agility: Changing Prices Without Legacy Contracts(29:10) – Pushing to the Middle Tier: Packaging Strategy With Amplitude Data(30:15) – Rapid Pricing Iteration: 7-Day Tests & Volume-Based Experiments(31:32) – Fast Consumer Feedback vs Slow SaaS Trial Cycles(32:07) – GTM Strategy: Make Two Big Bets a Year & Know CAC Limits(33:04) – Pricing Drives Channel-Market Fit: SEO, Affiliates, YouTube(33:45) – $12K Self-Serve Deals: Going Upmarket With Confidence(34:25) – Automating Jobs-to-Be-Done: The AI-Native Future(36:50) – How to Get to $10K MRR: Focus on One Channel First(38:12) – Enterprise GTM Shift: Better Studio's Move to Events & Partnerships(39:14) – Scaling From $10K MRR to $10M ARR: Building Full-Funnel Teams(40:37) – Recap: One-Off SaaS, AI Margins, SEO/Affiliate Flywheels(42:54) – Reporting Rhythms: Monthly KPI Bingo & Health Metrics.

My Fintech Newsletter for more interviews and the latest insights:↪︎ https://rexsalisbury.substack.com/In this episode, I sit down with Stevie Case from Vanta, a former pro gamer turned chief revenue officer, to discuss how AI is transforming the entire go-to-market function in B2B SaaS. Stevie shares insights on building agile sales organizations, how AI supercharges human roles rather than replacing them, and the evolving expectations for sales, customer success, and RevOps teams. The conversation covers AI tool adoption, hiring for an AI-native workforce, and why go-to-market roles are among the most exciting in tech today.Stevie Case: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steviecase/00:00:00 - AI's Impact on Go-To-Market Functions00:02:06 - Building Scalable Sales Organizations00:04:47 - Specialization and Segmentation in Sales00:06:28 - AI Supercharging Customer Success00:08:23 - Hiring and Onboarding with AI Support00:10:07 - Building AI-Driven Products with Customers00:12:08 - Selling New Products to Existing Customers00:15:02 - Early Product Adoption and Iteration00:17:25 - Operating at All Levels in Organizations00:20:01 - Creating Intense, High-Velocity Teams00:22:15 - Hiring AI-Native, Curious Builders00:25:05 - Measuring Success by Team Pride and Feedback00:26:07 - Developing Agent Platforms00:28:02 - Monetization and Business Model Evolution00:30:49 - AI-Enabled Competitive Advantages in Fintech00:32:31 - Top-Down AI Automation Demand00:34:11 - Reinforcement Learning in Fraud Detection00:38:00 - International Go-To-Market Expansion00:41:33 - Designing Global Sales Footprints00:45:04 - Resourcing RevOps and Systems Teams___Rex Salisbury LinkedIn:↪︎ https://www.linkedin.com/in/rexsalisburyTwitter: https://twitter.com/rexsalisburyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rex.salisburyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/rexsalisbury/

“When you bring the human approach… people bring business to you.” -Sherry Grote   Sherry Grote is an international marketing executive, speaker, and fractional CMO known for driving revenue growth and organizational alignment across global B2B SaaS companies. With over two decades of experience, she's led transformative marketing initiatives at every stage of business growth—from being the first employee at a startup that scaled to a scheduled IPO with Goldman Sachs to doubling revenue for a bootstrapped company in just nine months. Her leadership blends strategic vision with hands-on execution, harmonizing strategy, data, and collaboration to deliver measurable, scalable results. As the founder of The Harmony Hero Initiative, Sherry empowers caregivers and marginalized leaders to go from unseen to unforgettable, helping them balance purpose, performance, and personal well-being through coaching and executive development. Whether building high-impact demand generation engines, mentoring marketing leaders, or speaking on stages around the world, Sherry is passionate about turning complexity into clarity and growth into lasting impact. Website: https://theharmonyhero.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherrygrote/ Instagram: @theharmonyhero Facebook: The Harmony Hero   Mariam Nusrat is a Forbes Next 1k Entrepreneur, Clinton Global Honoree, Tedx speaker and winner of the Entrepreneur Elevator Pitch Show, Mariam Nusrat is a US-based Pakistani entrepreneur, with 11 years in the purposeful video games sector and 15 years of experience in the Edtech space, working at the World Bank across 22 different countries.  Mariam is the Founder of Breshna.io, a no-code/AI game maker platform that empowers users to create, share and monetize their own purposeful video games at lightning speed, think Canva for games!   The platform has over 2m game clicks, 180k registered game makers and 160k+ games published across education, social impact and marketing. Mariam has also raised $2.7m in seed funding from investors including Paris Hilton and Randi Zuckerberg.  Mariam also founded GRID, a gaming studio that creates low-cost mobile games for positive behavior change among the bottom billion. The team has created games for a wide range of development projects focusing on education, reproductive health, climate action and social cohesion.  Mariam is on a mission to unleash the power of no-code and AI technology to empower the next 100m people to tell their stories through video games. Website: https://breshna.io/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariamnusrat/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Breshna Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/breshnagame/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/breshnagame/   In this episode, Sherry and Mariam share how purpose and innovation can transform both people and businesses. They discuss the power of authentic leadership, the rise of no-code and AI technologies, and how creativity—whether in marketing or game design—can be a force for empowerment, growth, and lasting impact.   Apply to join our marketing mastermind group: https://notypicalmoments.typeform.com/to/hWLDNgjz Follow No Typical Moments at: Website: https://notypicalmoments.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/no-typical-moments-llc/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4G7csw9j7zpjdASvpMzqUA Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/notypicalmoments Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NTMoments

“When you bring the human approach… people bring business to you.” -Sherry Grote   Sherry Grote is an international marketing executive, speaker, and fractional CMO known for driving revenue growth and organizational alignment across global B2B SaaS companies. With over two decades of experience, she's led transformative marketing initiatives at every stage of business growth—from being the first employee at a startup that scaled to a scheduled IPO with Goldman Sachs to doubling revenue for a bootstrapped company in just nine months. Her leadership blends strategic vision with hands-on execution, harmonizing strategy, data, and collaboration to deliver measurable, scalable results. As the founder of The Harmony Hero Initiative, Sherry empowers caregivers and marginalized leaders to go from unseen to unforgettable, helping them balance purpose, performance, and personal well-being through coaching and executive development. Whether building high-impact demand generation engines, mentoring marketing leaders, or speaking on stages around the world, Sherry is passionate about turning complexity into clarity and growth into lasting impact. Website: https://theharmonyhero.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherrygrote/ Instagram: @theharmonyhero Facebook: The Harmony Hero   Mariam Nusrat is a Forbes Next 1k Entrepreneur, Clinton Global Honoree, Tedx speaker and winner of the Entrepreneur Elevator Pitch Show, Mariam Nusrat is a US-based Pakistani entrepreneur, with 11 years in the purposeful video games sector and 15 years of experience in the Edtech space, working at the World Bank across 22 different countries.  Mariam is the Founder of Breshna.io, a no-code/AI game maker platform that empowers users to create, share and monetize their own purposeful video games at lightning speed, think Canva for games!   The platform has over 2m game clicks, 180k registered game makers and 160k+ games published across education, social impact and marketing. Mariam has also raised $2.7m in seed funding from investors including Paris Hilton and Randi Zuckerberg.  Mariam also founded GRID, a gaming studio that creates low-cost mobile games for positive behavior change among the bottom billion. The team has created games for a wide range of development projects focusing on education, reproductive health, climate action and social cohesion.  Mariam is on a mission to unleash the power of no-code and AI technology to empower the next 100m people to tell their stories through video games. Website: https://breshna.io/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariamnusrat/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Breshna Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/breshnagame/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/breshnagame/   In this episode, Sherry and Mariam share how purpose and innovation can transform both people and businesses. They discuss the power of authentic leadership, the rise of no-code and AI technologies, and how creativity—whether in marketing or game design—can be a force for empowerment, growth, and lasting impact.   Apply to join our marketing mastermind group: https://notypicalmoments.typeform.com/to/hWLDNgjz Follow No Typical Moments at: Website: https://notypicalmoments.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/no-typical-moments-llc/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4G7csw9j7zpjdASvpMzqUA Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/notypicalmoments Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NTMoments

Nicole Forsgren created the most widely used frameworks for measuring developer productivity—DORA and SPACE. She wrote the foundational book Accelerate and is about to release her newest book, Frictionless, a practical guide for helping teams move faster in the AI era. She's currently Senior Director of Developer Intelligence at Google.We discuss:1. Why most productivity metrics are a lie2. Signs that your engineering team could be moving much faster3. Why AI accelerates coding but developers aren't speeding up as much as you think4. AI's impact on engineers getting into “flow”5. Her framework for building and scaling a developer experience team6. The three components of developer experience: flow state, cognitive load, and feedback loops—Brought to you by:Mercury—The art of simplified finances: https://mercury.com/WorkOS—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs: https://workos.com/lennyCoda—The all-in-one collaborative workspace: https://coda.io/lenny—Where to find Nicole Forsgren:• Twitter: https://twitter.com/nicolefv• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolefv/• Website: https://nicolefv.com/—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Nicole Forsgren(05:09) The concept of developer experience (DevEx)(08:33) Flow state and cognitive load in the age of AI(12:02) Challenges in measuring productivity with AI(21:19) The importance of developer experience for business value(22:20) Common issues and solutions in developer experience(26:49) Signs your eng team is moving too slow(29:52) How AI is improving productivity(33:32) Real examples of productivity improvements(36:35) Introducing her new book, Frictionless(43:40) How to get started building a DevEx team(45:15) The impact of forming developer experience teams(46:15)  How to measure the impact of DevEx teams(48:53) Measuring the impact of AI tools on productivity(55:16) Survey design for developer experience(57:59) Popular AI tools for developers(59:08) Bringing a product mindset to DevEx improvements(01:00:40) AI corner(01:02:33) Lightning round and final thoughts—Referenced:• How to measure and improve developer productivity | Nicole Forsgren (Microsoft Research, GitHub, Google): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-measure-and-improve-developer• DORA: https://dora.dev/• The SPACE framework: A comprehensive guide to developer productivity: https://getdx.com/blog/space-metrics/• Measuring developer productivity with the DX Core 4: https://getdx.com/research/measuring-developer-productivity-with-the-dx-core-4/• Gloria Mark's website: https://gloriamark.com/• Taking Flight with Copilot: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3589996• DevEx in Action: https://spawn-queue.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3639443• CodeX: https://openai.com/codex/• Devin: https://devin.ai/• Abi Noda on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abinoda/• DX is joining Atlassian: https://getdx.com/blog/dx-is-joining-atlassian/• GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot• Cursor: https://cursor.com/• The rise of Cursor: The $300M ARR AI tool that engineers can't stop using | Michael Truell (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-rise-of-cursor-michael-truell• Gemini Code Assist: https://codeassist.google/• Claude Code: https://www.claude.com/product/claude-code• The AI-native startup: 5 products, 7-figure revenue, 100% AI-written code | Dan Shipper (co-founder/CEO of Every): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-every-dan-shipper• Love Is Blind on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/80996601• Shrinking on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/shrinking/umc.cmc.apzybj6eqf6pzccd97kev7bs• Ninja Creami: https://www.amazon.com/Ninja-NC301-CREAMi-Containers-Bundle/dp/B0BLGR5JPV/• Jura coffee maker: https://www.amazon.com/Jura-Nordic-Automatic-Coffee-Machine/dp/B0CF65BFZ1/—Recommended books:• Frictionless: https://developerexperiencebook.com/• DevEx Workbook: https://developerexperiencebook.com/#workbook• Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity: https://www.amazon.com/Outlive-Longevity-Peter-Attia-MD/dp/0593236599• Back Mechanic: https://www.amazon.com/Back-Mechanic-Stuart-McGill-2015-09-30/dp/B01FKSGJYC• How Big Things Get Done: The Surprising Factors That Determine the Fate of Every Project, from Home Renovations to Space Exploration and Everything in Between: https://www.amazon.com/How-Big-Things-Get-Done/dp/0593239512/• The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KBM82M4/—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.com

Kurt Uhlir, often called “The King of Scaling Companies,” is a globally recognized CMO, GTM architect, and growth operator who's helped drive more than 60 acquisitions and exits, supported an $880 million IPO, and led multiple companies through hypergrowth.A true builder at heart, Kurt has designed and scaled go-to-market systems that have fueled massive revenue expansion and operational efficiency across B2B SaaS, consumer tech, martech, and real estate industries.He's held leadership roles in organizations ranging from startups to billion-dollar enterprises, operating across six continents. His innovations have influenced technologies now used by millions at companies like Apple, Meta, Microsoft, and Garmin. Over his career, Kurt has advised founders, private-equity CEOs, and even the President of the United States.As an inventor, he holds more than 20 patents and is credited with pioneering several modern marketing categories—including social media management, influencer marketing, location-based targeting, and enterprise SEO at scale.Today, Kurt serves as Chief Marketing Officer at ez Home Search, a rapidly growing real estate platform transforming how consumers find and evaluate homes—with privacy, performance, and user empowerment at the forefront.A passionate advocate for servant leadership, Kurt teaches that great leaders don't control—they serve. His philosophy centers on removing barriers, empowering high performers, and creating environments where people and companies can thrive.

In this episode, Chantel Hirschel, Director of Revenue Operations at Sana, discusses the unique challenges and opportunities in the healthcare industry, particularly in revenue operations. She shares insights on transitioning from traditional B2B SaaS to healthcare, the importance of HIPAA compliance, and the role of AI in rev ops. Chantel also offers advice for aspiring leaders in the field, emphasizing the importance of communication and strategic thinking.ChaptersIntroduction to Chantel Hirschel(0:00)Transitioning to Healthcare Rev Ops(3:00)AI and Automation in Rev Ops(9:00)Leadership and Communication in Rev Ops(15:00)Future of Sales and Rev Ops(21:00)

Dean thought he'd have to bootstrap Axonius because no investor would fund a solution to a problem that had existed for 20 years. He was wrong—they've raised $500M. The breakthrough came when a Fortune 500 company was actively being hacked by Chinese state actors. Their first customer almost said no—they had 20 bugs during the POC. But Dean's team fixed each one within 48 hours while their competitors took quarters to respond. That speed changed everything. They went from zero to $100M ARR in under 5 years, created an entirely new category (cyber asset management), and achieved an NPS score in the 80s—unheard of in cybersecurity. His framework for the three types of enterprise journeys will change how you think about positioning.Why You Should Listen:Why responding to customer issues in hours changes everything.How to turn a "dormant pain everyone accepts" into a $500M+ company.Why speed beats everything.The 3 types of enterprise software journeys and which one VCs won't fund.Keywords:startup podcast, startup podcast for founders, Axonius, Dean Sysman, cybersecurity startup, enterprise sales, Unit 8200, cyber asset management, B2B SaaS, YC alumni00:00:00 Intro00:02:25 From Hacker to CyberSecurity00:14:46 The three types of enterprise software journeys00:18:41 Why time to value beats everything00:29:33 Thought they'd bootstrap but VCs validated the problem00:35:14 Failed POCs and landing first customer with 20 bugs00:40:10 Zero to $100M ARR in under 5 years00:45:24 When to know you have product-market fitSend me a message to let me know what you think!

Are you a SaaS founder wondering How to Build a Growth Operating System That Helps Teams Deliver Real Value? Growing a B2B SaaS company can often feel messy. Teams try lots of different tactics, hoping that something will finally work. But this kind of scattered approach rarely leads to long-term, repeatable success. In this episode of the Grow Your B2B SaaS Podcast Joran Hofman sits down with growth expert and coach Andrew Capland. Andrew explains how to move beyond one-off growth hacks and start building what he calls a Growth Operating System. This system helps teams focus on delivering real value, work together more effectively, and create results that can scale over time.Key Timecodes(00:00) - Cold Open: North Star Metric, Activation vs Retention, and Copying Playbooks Pitfalls(01:02) - Host Introduction: B2B SaaS Growth Operating System with Andrew Capland(01:46) - Why Tactics Alone Fail: The Case for a Growth Operating System in B2B SaaS(02:01) - Andrew's Journey: From Growth Content to Executing a Growth Operating System(03:40) - When to Implement a Growth OS: From Random Acts of Growth to Repeatable Systems(04:20) - Growth OS Building Blocks: Strategy, KPIs, Rituals, Templates, Frameworks(05:37) - Plug-and-Play Templates: Customizing the Growth Operating System for Your Stage(06:25) - Growth Strategy 101: North Star, Vision, Levers, Bets, and Milestones(07:25) - Choosing a North Star Metric: Activation and Retention as Leading Indicators(08:31) - Activation Example: The Facebook “7 Friends in 5 Days” North Star Metric(09:43) - Defining Activation: Customer Interviews, Milestones, and Value Realization(10:47) - Cross-Functional Growth: Sales, Product, CS Inputs and Growth Leadership(12:26) - Earning Ownership: Become the Expert on the Problem (Activation/Retention)(15:14) - Sponsor Break: SaaStock Dublin – B2B SaaS Founder Networking and Investors(16:45) - Founder vs Growth Leader: Ownership Shifts from Early Stage to Scale(17:35) - Common Growth Mistakes: Copy-Pasting Big Tech Playbooks vs ICP Fit(19:06) - Case Study: Airbnb Referral Program Copycat That Flopped (and Why)(20:13) - Managing Growth Setbacks: Trophy File Mindset and Learning-First Experiments(23:08) - Using AI in Growth: Train on Your A/B Tests, Learnings, and Audience Data(25:16) - Documentation is a Growth Lever: Standardize Learnings and Onboarding(26:20) - Hiring Your First Head of Growth: Skill-Problem Fit and Translating Jargon(28:40) - Alignment First: What Growth Owns, Accountability, and Collaboration Rules(29:20) - Problem Selection: Scoping High-Leverage Bets and Measuring Outcomes(30:34) - Low-Volume SaaS: Qualitative Research, Session Recordings, and User Testing(32:12) - Essential Tool Stack: CRM/Marketing Automation, Product Analytics, In-App Messaging(33:45) - The Next 2–3 Years: Train AI on Proprietary Growth Data to Predict Outcomes(35:23) - Stage Advice: From 0–10K MRR—Find One Acquisition Channel and One Retention Channel