Podcasts about GTM

The biggest problem with most ABM programs isn't execution, it's that they try to personalize at scale before they truly understand their buyers.Everyone wants the results of account-based marketing. Few organizations build the foundation required to make it work.In this episode, Carolyn sits down with Steve Armenti, former ABM leader at Google and founder of Twelfth Agency, to unpack one of the biggest misconceptions in modern B2B marketing.Together they explore why high-volume personalization is becoming less effective, why AI can't replace strategy, and why the highest-performing GTM teams build what Steve calls a "market of one", a deep understanding of every target account before scaling outreach.You'll learn:Why most ABM programs never create real demandThe hidden flaw in high-volume personalizationWhy AI amplifies strategy instead of replacing itHow leading GTM teams build a 360° account viewThe "market of one" framework for modern B2B growthIf your ABM strategy isn't producing the pipeline you expected, this episode may change what you believe the real problem is.-----------------------------------------------------The difference between guessing and knowing is almost always hiding in the data you already have.In less than 30 days, Passetto builds the marketing measurement system that gives marketing leaders continuous visibility into what's driving pipeline and revenue—and the evidence to confidently make and defend their next investment decision.

"The answer to every problem is a model."Parag Agrawal shares the ideas behind Parallel: products that continuously learn, and teams designed around versatile problem solvers.He also shares why he built an AI agent for himself, anyd why AI's biggest opportunity is expanding what people can achieve.Guest: Parag Agrawal, founder and CEO of Parallel, and former CEO of TwitterConnect with ParagXLinkedInConnect with MamoonXLinkedInConnect with JoubinXLinkedInEmail: grit@kleinerperkins.comFollow Grit on: LinkedInX​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins

Everyone's plugging Meta, Google, and LinkedIn straight into AI via MCP and asking it where to spend their next ad dollar. Matt Chanella breaks down why that's exactly backwards — and why AI is going to make your ads more expensive, not more effective.In this episode of B2B Reality Check, Matt unpacks the two traps every B2B ad team falls into when they outsource strategy to AI:→ AI generates infinite creative variations — far more than you could ever run to statistical significance→ AI ad reporting always defaults to raw conversion volume, with zero context on campaign goals, funnel stage, or lead qualityMatt walks through why offline conversion tracking is the bare minimum, how to structure your AI context (project files, skills, clean conversion hierarchy) before you ever ask it to analyze spend, and why AI should be a thinking partner — not the decision-maker — for your ad strategy.In this episode:Why lower barriers to entry for AI-generated ads don't mean better ad performanceThe statistical significance problem with AI-generated creative testingWhy AI ad reporting can't distinguish high-intent conversions from low-intent ones (scroll depth, newsletter signups vs. booked meetings)How to give AI the right context before letting it touch your ad reportingWhy not every campaign (YouTube pre-roll, CTV, LinkedIn thought leadership) is designed for direct responseFAQQ: Can AI accurately tell me where to spend my next ad dollar?A: No — AI tools connected to your ad platforms track conversion volume and signal, but they can't tell you conversion quality: how many conversions become booked meetings, opportunities, or closed deals.Q: Why shouldn't I let AI generate all my ad creative variations?A: AI can produce far more creative iterations than you could ever run to statistical significance. Without a proper testing ramp and enough audience/budget to reach significance, you can't actually determine a winning message.Q: What's the minimum conversion tracking needed before using AI for ad strategy?A: Offline conversion tracking is the minimally viable setup — and even then, it should only be used for reporting, not for AI to dictate strategy.Q: Why does AI ad reporting always favor lead-gen campaigns?A: AI has no context on campaign objectives, measurement methodology (multi-touch, influenced, incrementality), or whether a campaign was designed for direct response versus brand consideration (the 95-5 principle). It defaults to whichever campaign produced the most raw conversions.Q: How do I set AI up correctly before using it for ad reporting?A: Build a project or skill collection with full context on your ad goals, objectives, segmentation, targeting, and measurement approach — before you ever ask it to analyze performance.

In this episode, Yong Han, CEO and co-founder of OnSite, shares her journey from academia to startup founder, focusing on how construction tech is transforming field messaging and task management. Discover insights on product development, customer relationships, and the challenges of building user-friendly tools for on-site workers. key topics Yong Han's career transition from academia to startup The problem with WhatsApp in construction workflows Product development and user experience in field apps Customer success stories and product impact Challenges of onboarding ground workers Chapters 00:00 From Academia to Entrepreneurship: A Unique Journey 02:51 Navigating the Challenges of Startup Life 05:49 Building a User-Centric Product 09:00 Proud Moments and Customer Relationships 12:13 Onboarding and User Experience Challenges 15:08 Daily Life of a Startup Founder 17:52 The Right Time to Use OnSite 21:00 Rapid Fire Round and Closing Thoughts

Tony Holdstock-Brown is the co-founder and CEO of Inngest, the durable execution platform that quietly powers your favorite AI agents.We get into why agents work in a demo and die in production, building their own cloud to get 20x lower cost, growing 35x after AWS and Cloudflare copied them, growing a dev tools company without a personal brand or Twitter account, why he thinks evals today are like “asking the criminal if they committed the crime”, and the thing they built to score 100% of your production agents without paying for LLM as a judge.Thank you to Numeral, Flex, Amplitude, Merge, and Monaco for supporting this episode.Numeral: Sales tax on autopilot https://www.numeral.comFlex: Premium banking, 60-day credit, 0% APR https://home.flex.one/referral/bananacapitalAmplitude: AI analytics https://www.amplitude.comMerge: Every model, one API https://www.merge.dev/turnerMonaco: The revenue engine for startups https://www.monaco.com/Timestamps:(0:00) The hidden infra layer every AI agent runs on(1:46) Building complex chains of logic(3:31) Why agent SDK's don't go far enough(4:49) Healthcare was the original event-driven nightmare(6:32) Storing traces on your infrastructure enables self-improving loops(14:26) Why Inngest was already in the right place for AI(15:49) Score agents off product events, not LLM's(17:31) The OpenAI copy-paste signal(21:24) Swap in LLMs and cut costs 20x(23:44) How customers pulled the product forward(25:41) Orchestration belongs outside the sandbox(29:48) Building a neocloud to cut costs 20x(32:09) Most neoclouds just resell AWS(32:54) All AI infrastructure is converging(34:49) Why Claude can't just build your backend(36:44) How to build a software factory(39:12) Agents are a lottery you get addicted to(42:44) Loops must exist until AGI hits(45:38) If models keep getting better, why orchestrate?(48:28) When incumbents steal your features(52:30) Why you can't vibe code infrastructure(55:54) Why Tony has no personal brand(59:38) Dev tools GTM without Twitter(1:03:20) Lessons from the founder of DuckDuckGo(1:10:39) Truth as a company value(1:13:08) Taking too long adapting to AI(1:15:10) Startups are 100% R&D(1:17:19) Ali from Databricks(1:19:03) Writing his own code, Voice-to-text with local models(1:23:53) Evals are batshit insaneReferencedInngest: https://www.inngest.com/Principles by Ray Dalio: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1501124021?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallbackTraction - How Any Startup Can Achieve Explosive Customer Growth: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1591848369?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallbackFollow TonyTwitter: https://x.com/itstonyhbLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyhb/Follow TurnerTwitter: https://twitter.com/TurnerNovakLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/turnernovakSubscribe to my newsletter to get every episode + the transcript in your inbox every week: https://www.thespl.it/

Discovery call questions matter, but most reps get the sequence wrong. The meeting is actually won or lost in the first few minutes, before a single discovery question gets asked.In this episode, Dave and Regan launch a new mini-series breaking down the exact process from initial meeting to signed contract. This episode covers the first meeting structure that determines whether a deal progresses or dies before it even gets going.What you'll learn:→ Why 80-90% of prospects research you before the call, and what that means for your personal brand→ The give before you extract principle and why it triggers the law of reciprocity→ Why leading with this is what I do kills momentum in the first meeting→ The stage zero research that changes the entire dynamic of a call→ How to structure a first meeting: research, intro, discovery or insight, social proof, next steps→ Why qualifying someone out in the first meeting is a win, not a loss→ How to avoid the interrogation feeling that kills trust in discovery calls→ The exact next-step framework that keeps deals moving instead of going coldThis is a practical, tactical episode built on real call examples, not theory. Stick around to the end for access to the CoachPilot community with live coaching and templates that build directly on this episode.

What if motivation is actually the thing holding you back? In this episode of Hunters and Unicorns, hosts Simon Kouttis and Ollie Kuehne sit down with Sean Conway, an eight-time world record holder, extreme endurance athlete, keynote speaker, and performance coach—to unpack the mindset behind sustained high performance. Sean explains why motivation is an unreliable energy source, how world-class performers build systems instead of relying on willpower, and why consistency always beats intensity over the long run. From breaking endurance records to coaching high performers, he shares practical lessons that apply just as much to software sales, leadership, and business as they do to elite sport. In this episode: Why motivation is overrated The system that creates consistent performance How to build discipline that lasts Lessons from breaking eight world records Why ordinary people can achieve extraordinary results Endurance principles every sales leader should know How to perform under pressure without burning out Building habits that outperform talent Subscribe for more conversations with the world's top founders, operators, and GTM leaders sharing the playbooks behind exceptional performance. With thanks to our sponsor Aurasell AI. #HuntersAndUnicorns #SeanConway #SalesLeadership #Performance #Motivation #Discipline #SystemsThinking #Sales #Leadership #highperformance 0:00 — Trailer 1:17 — Introduction & Sponsor 3:01 — How Many World Records 7:49 — Elite vs Average Iron Man Time 9:20 — Was He Always Innately Motivated 12:50 — Was He a Sporty Kid 15:00 — Why Has He Been Able to Achieve This 16:55 — Community Within the Pillars 24:44 — From a Low Point to an Audacious Goal 31:55 — Practical Implementation of the Plan 36:28 — Getting Up Every Morning for 105 Days 39:33 — The Power of Having a Plan 41:24 — Factoring in Distractions and Life 43:18 — Mentally Dealing With Derailed Plans 44:25 — Was There a Point He Wanted to Quit 47:20 — End Goal vs Breaking It Into Segments 49:30 — Being Present in the Now 51:47 — Parallels to Business and Sales 56:50 — Motivation Levels Through the Journey 1:01:37 — Work Outside of Endurance 1:03:39 — What He Looks for in Coaching Clients 1:12:23 — Closing

In this episode, Alfons Huber shares his journey from university physics student to founder of Reps, a company transforming roads into power plants. Discover the challenges, breakthroughs, and lessons learned in pioneering energy harvesting technology that could revolutionize urban energy use.   key topics Energy harvesting technology and its potential impact Challenges in developing and scaling innovative energy solutions The importance of passion and authenticity in entrepreneurship Navigating legal and corporate hurdles in tech innovation The role of government and city partnerships in scaling clean energy takeaways Persistence is key going through 'death valley' to reach success Authenticity and passion attract the right team and investors Scaling requires understanding complex government sales processes Innovative solutions can be developed anywhere, not just Silicon Valley Building resilience and learning from setbacks are crucial for founders   Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Alfons Huber and Reps 03:51 Overcoming legal and corporate challenges in innovation 05:58 The importance of passion and authenticity in building a team 07:56 Reflections on what could have been done differently 12:00 How to navigate government sales and city partnerships 13:57 Technical overview of Reps' road energy harvesting system 15:56 Installation, maintenance, and scaling of the technology 18:02 Next steps for Reps and how to support their mission 20:02 Insights on operating in government and complex sales cycles 22:00 Rapid fire questions: personal favorites and future travel 23:54 Closing remarks and advice for aspiring entrepreneurs  

What's up folks, welcome to our 4 part series of crawling through the dungeon of martech architecture. You've arrived at our final episode, part 4: The Dispatch Tower.We'll tackle:(00:00) - Intro (00:59) - In This Episode (01:30) - Sponsor: Mammath Growth (02:33) - Sponsor: GrowthLoop (03:58) - FLOOR 4: THE DISPATCH TOWER (04:39) - What Happens When 30 Vendors Turn On AI at the Same Time (21:24) - Boss Battle: The Agent Avalanche (22:53) - Why You Need a Central Referee, With Agent Guardrails (26:48) - Sponsor: Knak (27:55) - Sponsor: MoEngage (28:52) - Privacy Compliance and Data Minimization (38:38) - The Dispatch Layer that Controls Routing Logic (44:00) - The Layer Above the Dispatch is the Interface (47:20) - What Production AI Agents Look Like on a Governed Data Foundation (50:27) - The Deterministic Layer: Why the Interface Can't Run on Guesses (53:09) - System Stewardship: The Role That Emerges When You Clear This Floor (59:33) - FINAL ACHIEVEMENT: The Dungeon Is Cleared ---------------------------------------------------------------------------OPENING---------------------------------------------------------------------------Welcome back to the Dungeon of Martech Architecture.You've arrived at the final floor. Parts 1 through 3 built the foundation, the meaning layer, and the causal memory. Part 4 is the floor most organizations have been living on the whole time, often without knowing it.Episode 1: CRM GravityWe conquered the source of truth and discovered that the data warehouse replaces the CRM with portable audiences.Episode 2: The Eye of ContextWe learned why AI fails without context engineering and built the shared meaning infrastructure that keeps agents from misinterpreting what they read.Episode 3: The Correlation MasqueradeWe escaped the correlation trap and built the causal memory layer that separates agents that optimize correctly from agents that confidently scale the wrong behavior.Episode 4: The Dispatch TowerToday, we tackle the governance chaos of 30 vendors all claiming authority, and confront the interface decision that most organizations already made without realizing it.Let's finish our descent.------------------------------------------------------------------------------FLOOR 4: THE DISPATCH TOWER---------------------------------------------------------------------------Congratulations martech crawler, you've arrived to the final floor of the dungeon. Let's face it, most of your fellow crawlers will never make it this far. They're still lost in political battles debating why the CRM shouldn't hold product activation data or they ended up falling prey to the correlation trap and I forever stuck in the boomerang room. But you've made it. You're proudly wearing the 3 badges of honor on your jacket: data janitor, context king and causal brainiac. This floor is the hardest because it combines collaborative political battles but some serious technical obstacles as well. The layout of this floor is best described as a hot mess of agent spaghetti. Every vendor in your stack has an agent now. Your ESP has one. Your CDP has one. Your MAP has one. Your CRM has one. Your ad platform has one. Each one has separate logic, separate assumptions, separate permissions, and a roadmap slide that says “autonomous.”None of them knows what the others are doing.And nobody volunteered to referee this stuff.At the top of this floor, there is a door most organizations never noticed. Whoever controls that door controls what instructions get through, which systems can act, and which agent gets authority over the customer.What Happens When 30 Vendors Turn On AI at the Same TimeYour inbox is probably already full of emails from every platform in your stack, all saying some version of “Turn on AI today.”Each one promises autonomous intelligence. Each one wants permission to write, recommend, segment, suppress, score, enrich, personalize, or trigger something. Each one is operating from its own model of the customer. None of them can explain what happens when two agents try to update the same record, message the same person, or optimize against conflicting goals.You are now the referee. Congratulations. Rich Waldron, CEO of Tray.ai, describes how this feels on the ground:RICH WALDRON, Episode 162"If you're the marketing ops leader and your 30 vendors are telling you to go turn on the AI for their application, you sort of become like an AI referee. You have to figure out, well, do I turn it on for this one and not for this one? And is this one gonna overwrite what occurs here? You feel it already. Your inbox floods with vendors begging you to 'just turn on our AI capability' -- 30 different platforms all promising transformation. Suddenly you're an unwilling AI referee asking impossible questions: which AI systems should I activate first? What happens when one AI's decisions contradict another's? Are all these systems feeding sensitive data into the same models?""Agents backed by an iPaaS give you full governance and control of where execution happens. For teams drowning in vendor AI chaos, the third option -- iPaaS-backed agents that naturally integrate with everything -- provides centralized governance, unified control points, and consistent execution environments."Rich is describing the nightmare version of the final floor: every vendor ships an agent, and marketing ops gets stuck deciding which ones are safe, which ones are redundant, which ones are risky, and which ones quietly conflict with each other.The answer is not to let every team turn on whatever they want. It is also not to create a central AI police force that blocks everything until innovation dies in a committee.The middle path is an operating model: a small central group that sets standards, reviews risk, creates reusable patterns, and lets the business move quickly without turning the stack into a haunted appliance storeFunny enough, I spoke with someone who actually did volunteer for that AI referee job – her title is a bit fancier though. Here's Lindsay Rothlisberger, Director of GTM Innovation at Zapier and also a member of their AI Center of Excellence. At Zapier, she sits at the spoke of a hub-and-spoke AI Center of Excellence, a small central team led by a Chief AI Officer, with Lindsay as the GTM representative responsible for translating governance into go-to-market practice. Her work covers deciding which AI tools get activated, setting the standards for what a shared skill has to pass before it enters the internal library, and keeping track of what people are building before it fragments into 100 unsanctioned experiments.LINDSAY ROTHLISBERGER, Zapier"We have a skill that reviews our skills for data and security compliance. It gives you a red, yellow, green. Red — here's what you definitely need to fix. And in most cases, Claude can just say, 'I can go fix that for you. Would you like me to do it?' And just do it. So it's a pretty simple process. But it is a standard review skill that runs through all of these different things."Every shared skill at Zapier has to have a named owner. If it's used across a team, someone is accountable for maintaining it. Skills covering go-to-market operations are owned by RevOps. New builders who want to ship a skill that runs through a cross-functional workflow pair with a RevOps partner to build it. The governance operates as a co-authorship model, designed to make s...

"There's 20 fires going on at every moment in the office and you have enough water to put out four."Mark Roberge shares what it takes to build and scale a company, from finding product-market fit to knowing when it's time to grow.He also shares the framework behind his new book, The Science of Selling, and why founders should scale based on their own data, not another company's success.Guest: Mark Roberge, Founding CRO of HubSpot, HBS Professor, and Co-Founder at Stage 2 CapitalConnect with Mark: XLinkedInConnect with Joubin:XLinkedInEmail: grit@kleinerperkins.comFollow Grit on: LinkedInX​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins

Episode 435 of The VentureFizz Podcast features Kojo Osei, Partner at Matrix. The venture capital industry originated back in 1946 in the Boston area, when The American Research and Development Corporation was founded by MIT president Karl Compton and Harvard professor Georges Doriot. From that point, an industry was born, and firms were created, but very few have had the lasting impact and track record as Matrix, one of the OG firms that helped institutionalize this industry. The firm has a tremendous track record through the years making investments in legendary companies like Apple and FedEx… plus category creators like HubSpot, Zendesk, and Oculus… or current investments like Canva, Suno, GOAT, and Flock Safety. Matrix is investing out of its 12th fund, an $800M fund for seed and Series A investments, and the firm continues to have a strong presence on both coasts. Kojo is a Stanford grad, who was the Head of Product at Sirona Medical, the AI operating system for radiologists, before becoming a VC. Now based in NYC, Kojo has been an investor with Matrix for over five years. Some areas of interest these days for investments include agent-driven commerce, how the software infrastructure is getting rebuilt for agents, and model application integrated companies. His investments include companies like Channel3, BoldVoice, Ampersand, and LM Studios. Chapters: 00:00 Introducing Kojo Osei, Partner at Matrix 03:24 What is Agent Driven Commerce 09:45 Koji's background & Early Career 13:20 Joining Matrix as a VC 14:37 Advice for Aspiring Venture Capitalists 17:05 The First Year in Venture Capital 20:26 Details about Matrix's 25:01 Investment Areas of Interest for Kojo 27:48 The Art of the Cold Email to a VC 34:17 Exploring the 'Why Now' Philosophy 37:59 AI: Current State and Predictions 42:06 Common Mistakes Founders Make 44:23 GTM for Developer Products 48:11 Leveraging AI in Daily Workflow 49:23 Kojo's Recommendation & Personal Interests Podcast Sponsor: This podcast is brought to you by one of the strongest longtime supporters of the local startup ecosystem, Silicon Valley Bank, a division of First Citizens Bank. With more than 1,500 bankers and relationship advisors and $44B in loans as of Q4 2025 – SVB delivers expert guidance, specialized products and a team that knows the innovation economy inside and out. Learn more at SVB.com.

Building a great sales organization has always been difficult, and the pace of AI has only raised the stakes. Chad Peets and Chris Degnan join John McMahon and John Kaplan to share what they're seeing as founders race to build go-to-market teams in one of the fastest-moving markets in software. They discuss why companies overhire, how leaders should evaluate revenue quality, what separates "patriots" from "mercenaries" in the hiring process, and the operating principles that produce durable sales organizations. Chad Peets is the Managing Partner of RPT Partners and has spent more than 25 years helping software companies build world-class go-to-market organizations. Previously Managing Director at Sutter Hill Ventures, he helped hire more than 7,500 software sales executives, including more than 500 who joined Snowflake during its growth. Connect with Chad: LinkedIn Chris Degnan is a Partner at RPT Partners and the former Chief Revenue Officer of Snowflake, where he helped build the company's go-to-market organization from its earliest stages to more than $4 billion in revenue. He is the co-author of Make It Snow: From Zero to Billions: How Snowflake Scaled its Go-to-Market Organization. Connect with Chris: LinkedIn "Make It Snow" by Denise Persson and Chris Degnan Connect with RPT Partners: Website info@rptpartners.com More from Revenue Builders: Hiring to Ensure Success featuring Chad Peets What It Really Takes to Build a Billion-Dollar Revenue Engine featuring Chris Degnan Key takeaways from this episode: 00:00 – Why the best sales careers are built through mastery, not compensation. 10:48 – Why hiring for tomorrow's org chart often creates today's leadership problem. 12:12 – Why many AI companies are overstating revenue quality, and what leaders should look for instead. 25:58 – What leaders often overlook when separating long-term builders from short-term opportunists in the hiring process. 35:17 – A practical framework for evaluating whether a company is worth joining before you sign the offer. 41:37 – Why great technology and great sales organizations create a competitive advantage together. 45:14 – What the next generation of elite sellers will need to master to stay relevant as buying evolves. Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results. This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale. Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of Ag Tech Talk by AgriBusiness Global, three leaders whose companies are working together to advance AI-ready spatial intelligence for agriculture explore how the industry is turning complex farm data into actionable insights. Bailey Stockdale, Founder and CEO of Leaf Agriculture, Ben Pruden, Head of GTM and Marketing at Wherobots, and Rachel Zack, Co-Founder of Felt, discuss how their complementary technologies — spanning data infrastructure, geospatial computing, visualization, and artificial intelligence — are helping transform fragmented datasets into practical insights that support better decision-making across agriculture.

Most companies think of education as a support function, the real shift is treating it as a go-to-market engine.In this episode of the UnChurned Podcast, Josh Schachter and Samantha Murray sit down with Yash Tekriwal, Head of Go-to-Market Engineering Ecosystem at Clay, to unpack how he became the company's first-ever GTM Engineer, why Clay rebranded its entire education team, and what it actually takes to build a learning ecosystem people don't just consume, but live inside of.Yash shares the origin story of the GTM Engineer role, why he believes "education" has become a dirty word in tech, and how Clay is rethinking everything from LMS platforms to certification to attribution.They also dive into:- The origin story behind the first-ever "GTM Engineer" title- Why Clay killed its education team and rebranded to a GTM engineering ecosystem- Why traditional LMS platforms get learning fundamentally wrong- The "control the environment, not the process" philosophy of learning- Why brand affinity and "vibes" matter more than marketing attribution- Rethinking certification and skill assessment in the age of AIIf you're building a GTM team, leading customer education, or trying to figure out how learning and community actually drive growth, this episode is a masterclass in building an ecosystem instead of a content library.Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com.Chapters00:00 – Intro & Backstory01:03 – Yash's Pre-Clay Career and Failed Startups05:30 – Why He's More Of A Founder Than When He Was One06:32 – Becoming Clay's First-Ever GTM Engineer09:41 – Category Creation and Market Sizing13:42 – "We Killed The Education Team At Clay"15:36 – Why Education Became A Dirty Word In Tech21:08 – Yash's Path From Teacher To GTM Engineer24:54 – The Build vs. Buy Problem With LMS Platforms28:09 – Control The Environment, Not The Process32:37 – Why Attribution Doesn't Matter — It's All Vibes36:18 – Inside Clay's Six-Pod GTM Ecosystem42:16 – Yash's One-Year Goal: Rebuilding CertificationJosh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.comWhere to Find the Guest:Yash's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yashtekriwalWhere to Find the Hosts:Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/Samantha's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samantha-murray613/

SaaStr 866: Agents Didn't Kill Sales. They Just Exposed It with SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin For ten years, social selling meant monitoring LinkedIn for prospects and dropping "Great job!" comments and hoping someone took a meeting. Everyone knew it was hollow. Nobody said it out loud. Then an agent booked 682 qualified inbound meetings without lowering the bar once, and another agent saw a prospect complain about a product online, analyzed their account, and solved the problem in real time. That's not something a human social seller could ever do. Agents didn't end sales. They just made it impossible to pretend the hollow parts were working. In this closing AMA, Jason Lemkin takes questions from the floor on what's actually changing in sales, GTM, and company building in the agentic era, and what to do about it. You'll learn: Why the inbound BDR role should go extinct and what replaces it What agents can do in social selling that humans never could, and what that means for your team structure Why your sales team needs to be product experts now, not relationship managers, and how to tell the difference How to find your GTM engineer without posting a job description that attracts nobody Why it's an inertia grab not a land grab, and what that means for which vendors you commit to today What Jason actually looks for when investing right now (hint: one thing)

AI for sales is everywhere right now, but most of it is noise. This episode is about what actually works: AI sales coaching that lives inside a rep's daily workflow instead of sitting unused in a Google Drive.After 18 months of building, Dave, Luigi and Regan officially launch CoachPilot on this episode of Revenue Leaders. It's the AI coaching layer that sits on top of your CRM and coaches every rep on every deal, live.The three of them have spent decades in sales, built hundreds of playbooks, and onboarded over 200 SDRs for companies like Stripe. They kept hitting the same wall: even the best playbook fails because it never lives in the rep's daily workflow. CoachPilot is their answer.What you'll learn:→ Why the number one problem in every sales org is adherence to the sales process, not talent→ The playbook problem: why even great playbooks end up sitting unused→ What a day in the life with CoachPilot looks like: morning briefings, live call coaching, post-call CRM updates→ The live coaching sidebar that prompts you on objections, pacing, and talk ratio mid-call→ Why they built their own call recorder instead of integrating with existing tools→ The four IP layers: forecast score, coaching score, deal score, and methodology score→ Gartner's 2.8x revenue stat: why action-based AI paired with humans beats AI alone→ Why AI can't replace sellers in complex, multi-stakeholder deals→ The 50% unapproved AI usage problem inside sales teams and why governance matters→ Who CoachPilot is NOT for: the honest ICP conversation most founders avoidWhether you're a founder, sales leader, or rep, this is a rare inside look at why three sales veterans killed their own consulting business model to build a product.⭐ Learn more about CoachPilot: https://coachpilot.comFollow us:https://www.instagram.com/davidfastuca/https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigiprestinenzi/https://www.linkedin.com/in/reganbarker/https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidfastuca/

China is a complete and complex system with its own history, internal logic, and implicit rules that influence every business decision taken inside its borders. In this episode we connect leadership, policy, infrastructure, and culture to the practical question of how to operate in and with China in 2026.Over six months, Leonardo Marra combined deep reading with interviews from eight professionals who work inside the Chinese context every day, including coaches, market advisers, joint venture managers, recruiters, and marketers. Their answers sit alongside narrative sections that trace how China moved from Mao's planned economy to today's mix of Party control, industrial capacity, and technological ambition.Chapters in this episodeLeaders: from Mao to Xi – How leadership choices still influence business today.FDI and Special Economic Zones – From export factories to “in China, for China”.The Five Year Plan – Reading the Fifteenth Plan as a strategy signal.The Dragon's Roads: BRI – Belt and Road projects, opportunities, and risks.China and the United States – Tariffs, export controls, and tech ecosystems.China's new growth model – Dual circulation, new productive forces, and slower growth.Operating in and with China – Three ways to work with China: manufacture, source, or sell.--------If you work with Asia or in Asia and want to understand it properly, you are in the right place. Business culture, and intercultural stories. ⁠Join the “Asia With Leonardo” newsletter⁠.-------⁠"Asia with Leonardo library"⁠, if you want even deeper content. Structured, evergreen deep-dives for professionals working in or with Asia. Country-based briefings on modern history, business culture, and key companies, with audio and concise PDF summaries.--------Guests:Gabor Holch – Intercultural leadership coach, founder of East West Leadership, and author of Dragon Suit: The Golden Age of Expatriate Executives in China. More than two decades coaching senior leaders in China and East Asia on how to adapt their leadership style without losing themselves.Pearl Lai – Sales strategy and GTM adviser for multinationals entering or scaling in China, designing localised sales processes, channel playbooks, and training programmes, with a focus on turning global strategy into local execution.Ivo Ganchev – International relations scholar in Beijing, Assistant Professor at Beijing Foreign Studies University and Director of Corporate Education. Completed a PhD in Comparative Politics in Chinese and works with executives on how China's political system thinks about strategy.Manfred Huschka – Founder. Advising Western companies that work with Chinese manufacturers on supplier selection, quality expectations, and cross‑cultural project management.Manuel Murrenhoff – MD of a Wuxi joint venture between Swiss group Bühler and Canadian company Premier Tech, with previous leadership roles in Vietnam, Nigeria, Kenya, and China, bringing a comparative view on industrial capabilities and risk.Miriam Wickertsheim – German recruiter and general manager in China, 17+ years connecting international companies with talent, creator of the “China Perspectives” channel, and close observer of how the talent market has evolved.Olivia Plotnick – Founder of Wai Social, a Shanghai‑based social media agency helping international brands on WeChat, Xiaohongshu, and Douyin, combining client work with a 60‑day trip through 30+ cities focused on retail and youth culture.Richard Loomans – Intercultural management consultant from the Netherlands, with over twenty years in international trade and risk, now focusing on power distance, collectivism, and communication style, and how these dimensions affect cooperation with Chinese partners.This episode is designed for managers and executives who prefer to base their China decisions on context and evidence rather than short summaries, and who want to hear from people dealing with China's realities on a daily basis.

איך נראית הקמת סטארטאפ בתוך חברה גדולה, ואיך מנווטים את הצעדים הראשונים בעידן ה-AI? הפרק השבוע פותח את סדרת הפרקים החדשה שלנו, שבה נלווה מקרוב את ההקמה והפעילות של Agent Talent, פרוייקט ששואף לפצח שוק חדש של מרקט-פלייס שמחבר בין חברות שמעוניינות לשכור אייג׳נטים כעובדים מצד אחד, לבילדרים שבונים אייג׳נטים מהצד השני. לאורך הסדרה נביא את הסיפור מאחורי בניית הפרוייקט, האתגרים, הטעויות, ההצלחות והניסיונות שמתרחשים בזמן אמת. הצטרפו אלינו למסע של המוצר הזה, ושל הצוות שמקים אותו - לאן הם יתקדמו אנחנו נגלה ביחד תוך כדי תנועה. בפרק הראשון, גל ברוך ונדב שלזינגר, צוות הפאונדרים של אייג׳נט טאלנט, חוזרים לנקודת הזינוק ומספרים על השינוי המחשבתי שעברו - מהשלב שבו הם פעלו הם חשבו שהם רק ״בורג״ במוצר, ועד לנקודה שבה לקחו עליו בעלות מלאה. הם משתפים בהלם של תחילת הדרך כשהבינו שגיוס בילדרים לפלטפורמה הוא החלק הקל, בעוד שהבאת חברות ולקוחות משלמים היא האתגר המרכזי, ומתארים את הכאוס האינהרנטי של ניהול תפקידים בתוך צוות רזה שפועל בקצב שיא. הפרק הוא הצצה לדינמיקה של פיצוח שוק ומוצר, החל מהרגע שבו נכנס הכסף הראשון לחשבון הבנק ושינה את רמת האמונה של הצוות בפרויקט, ועד להחלטה לזרוק לפח מתודולוגיות עבודה קלאסיות לטובת ריצה מהירה ותיקונים יומיים. בפרק הזה, וגם הפרקים הבאים, נדבר על תובנות מעשיות סביב בניית ICP משתנה, ניהול קשרי לקוחות בגישת High-Touch, עבודה בצוות שמורכב חלקו מעובדים אנושיים וחלקו מאייג׳נטים, הרבה תובנות על בניית GTM - ועוד ועוד ועוד. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Heather asks and helps answer “How do you create a point of view about your solution in a way that will talk to Salesforce about how it works together for that specific customer?” For ISVs so they can take a strong point of view about a specific customer vs. approaching with just questions. “It's easier to find this information than it's ever been. Don't be lazy and use the tools and you will have much better conversations.”This episode of How We Got There features a conversation with Heather Mason, Founder of ISV Accelerators. Heather brings their clients her knowledge forged by experiences at an ISV (Insight Squared) and Salesforce themselves, 5.5 years at each company. Her company works with “high potential” Salesforce partners to assist their GTM motions in the ecosystem - Salesforce, other ISVs, and SIs - so the ISV can help make it easier for the customer to buy the solution.We talked a bit about the challenges her team faced at Salesforce within her focus on the Pharma vertical, which had a strong publicly traded OEM of Salesforce in Veeva to contend/cooperate with and the new-normal of fewer people at Salesforce focused on ISVs. Partners need to adapt to how Salesforce is changing their selling motion, aligning to Salesforce AEs with modern better together messaging. The challenge is Salesforce is still figuring it (it being Agentforce) out too. Heather shares insights around traffic on the AppExchange listing by most common personas and what it means to ISVs through the lens of who buys their solution. At the level, the Salesforce sales team aligned to a specific account can be over 20 people but at the SMB level it might just be an AE and their RVP, who will be VERY hands on with the deal alongside their AE.We touch on big strategy but also tactics around things like when is the right moment to reach out to the Salesforce account team in an opportunity cycle. It all starts with you having a unique value to share and if you do, you should expect an 85% positive response rate. If you are lower than that, I would challenge you to harden your messaging.Heather loves to connect with people in the ecosystem and takes pride in making herself available to meeting new people. I learned a ton from my conversation with Heather and am grateful she is actively helping ISVs and OEMs in the ecosystem. Connect with Heather at the Arcadia leadership experience in Montana run by the Yarboroughs.This episode is brought to you by ISVApp. ISVapp the usage analytics platform built specifically for Salesforce ISV and OEM applications. ISVapp is your central toolbox for reducing churn, increasing renewals, uncovering upsell opportunities, and closing more deals. #salesforce #isv #gtm #salesforcepartners #appexchange

Most founders treat product-market fit like a feeling. Mark Roberge thinks that's as absurd as calling profit a feeling.The founding CRO of HubSpot, Harvard Business School lecturer, and Stage 2 Capital co-founder joins Josh to break down his new book, The Science of Scaling. The argument at the center of it - the decision of when and how fast to scale shouldn't be a gut call. It should be gated on retention.Mark shares the leading indicator of retention (the one metric that predicts churn in a customer's first month), the 5-50-500 playbook a Microsoft leader used to launch new products, why Drift's founder flew across the country to onboard $50/month customers, and what "AI-native sales team" should actually mean in 2026 (with numbers attached).If you work in Customer Success, this episode makes the case that you own the most strategic metric in the company. All proceeds from Mark's book go to McLean Hospital for mental health care.---Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com.---What You'll Learn- Why we scale haphazardly, not scientifically- A quantitative definition of product-market fit - How to design a leading indicator of retention- Real LIR examples from Slack, Harvey, Facebook, and Gainsight - The three maturity levels of an LIR- How a Microsoft leader used the 5-50-500 rep model to de-risk new product launches- How to pick your threshold based on the blitzscale risk in your category- Why product-market fit and go-to-market fit must be sequenced, not pursued at once- How to know when to move past founder-led sales - How to bring unit economics into board meetings - Why blitzscaling fails more companies than it saves (and why VCs push it anyway)- The two metrics that define an AI-native sales team in 2026- Mark's four phases of the AI revolution in go-to-market ---Timestamps0:00 - Preview & Intro1:30 - Meet Mark Roberge3:07 - The Science of Scaling (All book proceeds go to McLean Hospital)7:30 - We scale haphazardly, not scientifically9:06 - Microsoft's 5-50-500 playbook13:19 - Is product-market fit a feeling?15:48 - The leading indicator of retention, explained17:30 - Time to value vs. recurring value19:42 - Designing your own LIR24:04 - Why go-to-market fit comes after PMF26:06 - Pitching this framework to VCs28:15 - How to know when you have go-to-market fit31:15 - Bringing the science to larger companies33:00 - When to move beyond founder-led sales35:51 - AI and the four phases of the GTM revolution37:20 - What "AI-native sales team" means in 2026---Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com---Where to Find the GuestMark Roberge: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markroberge/The Science of Scaling: https://a.co/d/0boDpDUcStage 2 Capital: https://www.stage2.capital/---Where to Find the Host: Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

In today's podcast episode, we discuss the patterns behind where AI agents are being built, the technologies that are enabling marketers to do things they couldn't do before, and where marketing campaigns are actually won or lost before a single ad is ever run. Join Senior Director of Podcasts and host Marcus Johnson, Principal Analyst Yory Wurmser, and Head of GTM at Rokt mParticle, Nicholas Craig. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or watch on YouTube or Spotify.   Get more insights like these with our free, industry-leading newsletters covering advertising, marketing, and commerce. Sign up at emarketer.com/newsletters Follow us on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/emarketer/ For sponsorship opportunities contact us: advertising@emarketer.com For more information visit: https://www.emarketer.com/advertise/ Have questions or just want to say hi? Drop us a line at podcast@emarketer.com For a transcript of this episode click here: https://www.emarketer.com/content/podcast-secret-behind-every-great-ai-agent-behind-numbers © 2026 EMARKETER   Rokt is the global leader in ecommerce, unlocking real-time relevance in the Transaction Moment. Rokt's AI Brain and Ecommerce Network help the world's leading companies deliver more relevant customer experiences and unlock incremental value from every transaction. Learn more at rokt.com.

Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show!Your GTM tech stack is probably costing you more than you think.Not because of software licenses alone, but because of underused tools, overlapping platforms, broken processes, and hidden revenue leakage that quietly compounds over time.In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Gaurav Palande, founder of Prune and a marketing and sales operations leader with more than 15 years of experience, to explore a different way of evaluating technology investments.The conversation explores how organizations can measure the business value of their GTM technology, identify hidden inefficiencies, uncover revenue leakage, and make smarter decisions about AI investments before difficulty spirals out of control.Topics covered include: • Why tech stack value matters more than tech stack cost • A practical framework for evaluating GTM technology investments • Common sources of waste, duplicate spend, and underutilized platforms • How neglected systems and broken processes contribute to revenue leakage • Where AI creates genuine value and where it simply adds complexity • How to approach the growing "buy vs. build" decision in the age of AIWhether you're managing a handful of platforms or an enterprise-scale ecosystem, this episode offers practical guidance for turning your tech stack from a cost center into a measurable business asset.Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com.Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations ProfessionalsSupport the show

With every vendor claiming their platform is a revolutionary AI silver bullet, how do enterprise leaders distinguish between genuine innovation and what's essentially just marketing hype wrapped in a new algorithm?Agility requires a clear-eyed strategy for adopting new technologies, especially AI, focusing on practical outcomes over speculative promises.Today, we're going to talk about moving past the theoretical promise of AI and into its practical application for enterprise marketing. We'll discuss:- How to demystify AI for the broader marketing organization so your teams can actually use it.- Moving beyond theory to discuss tangible applications that drive efficiency and better customer experiences.- Why a solid data foundation isn't just important for AI, but is the absolute prerequisite for its success.To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Daniella Harkins, SVP, Product GTM at LiveRamp. About Daniella HarkinsDaniella Harkins is SVP, Product Go To Market at LiveRamp (NYSE: RAMP), the leading data collaboration platform. She works at the intersection of product and commercial teams to drive the structure and transformation of the two functions team toward the next evolution — empowering them to achieve max productivity. She holds a deep understanding of the market and field and translating it into GTM activities such as pricing, product stories, salesplays, and launches. Daniella holds a Bachelor of Arts in French from Temple University and an MBA from St. John's University Rome, and speaks French and Italian. Daniella Harkins on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dharkins/ ---------- Resources ---------- LiveRamp: https://www.liveramp.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703 We're proud to be a media partner for #MAICON26 - Oct. 13-15! Learn how AI can power your marketing and business and help you grow smarter. Use code AGILE150 to save! https://aglbrnd.co/r/7fe458ced0f04658Reach your customers with Reddit. Spend $500 in ad spend, get $500 back in ad credit! Learn more: https://advertalize.com/r/491818c79fb1873fChaser is the only Slack-native project management platform that helps teams turn messages into tracked tasks, automate follow-ups, and maintain team-wide visibility, without adopting another tool. Now integrated with Claude and other generative AI tools, Chaser is the only platform that brings AI-powered project management into Slack, where teams already work. Chaser is based in Toronto, Canada. Learn more at trychaser.com.The most influential minds in software, AI, and engineering leadership will be at WeAreDevelopers World Congress North America, September 23-25 in San Jose. Learn more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/60a7299222a7bcf1 Enjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716ba Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

SaaStr 865: The Agents #008: Agents Are Merging, Not Multiplying. Plus, Sam Blond on Why Outbound Isn't Dead. Everyone told you the future is 100 specialized agents, one for every job. That's not what's happening at SaaStr AI. Their AI VP of Finance didn't get its own app. It moved in with the AI VP of Marketing. The agents are collapsing into each other, sharing knowledge, sharing context, going deeper together. In this episode, Amelia and Jason do a live breakdown of their AI VP of Finance: how they wired Bill.com, QuickBooks, Brex, and PandaDoc into one agent, what the agent found on day one that their human finance team never did, and why contract close to invoice now takes 30 seconds instead of a day. Then Sam Blond, founder and CEO of Monaco and one of the most respected sales minds in SaaS, joins to talk about why outbound still works, what brand and message market fit actually mean for AI agents in the field, and why Monaco is building toward one GTM platform that does everything. You'll learn: Why SaaStr's agents are merging, not multiplying, and what the "monorepo" model means for your own AI stack The exact integrations that power their AI VP of Finance (and which ones took 10 minutes vs. an hour) How the agent surfaced collections problems and automations the human team never knew existed Why "set it and forget it" is a myth, and what happened when Qualified was still selling 2026 tickets weeks after the event ended Sam Blond on brand, message market fit, and what actually makes AI outbound work for companies that aren't SaaStr Why FDE relationships are now more valuable than any AE, and what that means for how you buy and sell software This is for you if: You're a founder or operator wondering whether to build a separate finance agent or fold it into what you already have You run outbound and keep hearing it's dead (it's not) You're evaluating your GTM stack and wondering if you need five agents or one You want a real, unfiltered look at what it takes to run AI agents in production, including the failures

Most outbound motions are built the same way: build a big list, blast everyone, hope something converts. It doesn't work anymore — and Regan and Luigibreak down exactly why.In this episode, they unpack the modern outbound motion they're building at CoachPilot — how they monitor 2,200 companies in real time, narrow their active prospect list down to 292 trigger-based targets, and why a cold call with no meeting booked is never actually a failed attempt.This is one of the most tactical episodes Revenue Leaders has recorded — no frameworks, no theory, just the exact system they're running right now.What you'll learn:→ Why blasting your full ICP list is the fastest way to destroy your conversion rate→ How to use firmographic and technographic filters to find your top 50 in-market prospects→ The trigger-based prospecting system that monitors 2,200 companies and surfaces 292 active targets→ Why a failed cold call is still a win — and how to extract value from every touch→ The relationship funnel that runs parallel to your outbound motion and closes deals before the first call→ The human-nonhuman touch framework that builds trust invisibly over months→ Why AI-generated outreach is getting easier to spot — and the one tell that kills credibility instantly→ The manual step you should never automate no matter how good your tools get→ Why outbound will always be the dominant lead channel even in a world of inbound and events→ How to build a trigger waterfall specific to your industry and ICPIf you're an AE, BDR, or sales leader and your outbound isn't converting — this is the episode that changes how you prospect.

In 2020, Airwallex lost nearly half its revenue overnight. Today it's worth $11 billion.Jack Zhang reflects on the decisions that kept the company alive, raising capital during uncertainty, and leading through its toughest chapter.This episode is a candid look at why Jack chose to keep building, even when a $1.2 billion acquisition was on the table.Guest: Jack Zhang, founder and CEO, AirwallexConnect with Jack ZhangXLinkedInConnect with JoubinXLinkedInEmail: grit@kleinerperkins.comFollow Grit on: LinkedInX​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins

Master the new Microsoft Marketplace ecosystem. Subscribe to our Newsletter:https://theultimatepartner.com/ebook-subscribe/ Check Out UPX:https://theultimatepartner.com/experience/ Discover the tectonic shifts happening within the Microsoft ecosystem as Cyril Belikoff and Jon Yoo dive deep into the unification of the Microsoft Marketplace and the explosive rise of AI-driven commerce. This comprehensive discussion explores how the marketplace is transitioning from an incubation island to the mainland of Microsoft’s go-to-market strategy, allowing partners to tap into massive Azure consumption commitments. Learn how product-led growth, AI agents, and optimized digital flows are replacing traditional sales motions, making cloud marketplaces the default engine for scaling revenue in 2026 and beyond. https://youtu.be/cAeSIEXbnNo Key Takeaways Microsoft unified its various marketplaces into a single digital flywheel for customers to discover, try, and buy applications. Applications, such as Copilot certified agents, are contextually surfaced directly within Microsoft products to meet users in their flow of work. Customers are making massive Azure commitments, and purchasing full software stacks through the marketplace retires those commitments entirely. Cloud marketplaces have evolved from a secondary channel into the default go-to-market engine with triple-digit revenue growth. Partners must shift from deal-led transactions to product-led growth by optimizing their digital marketplace listings for AI and search engines. The future of software procurement will increasingly involve AI agents acting on behalf of organizations to seamlessly integrate multiple smaller applications. If you're ready to lead through change, elevate your business, and achieve extraordinary outcomes through the power of partnership—this is your community. At Ultimate Partner® we want leaders like you to join us in the Ultimate Partner Experience – where transformation begins. Key Tags: Microsoft Marketplace, Azure commitments, AI agents, Frontier transformation, M365 Copilot, Foundry, digital flywheel, co-selling, product-led growth, ecosystem shift, SaaS distribution, REO, resale enabled offer, listing optimization, search engine optimization, agentic commerce, cloud go-to-market, revenue recognition, multi-party private offers, Hyperscalers Transcript: Cyril Belikoff and Jon Yoo Audio Podcast [00:00:00] Cyril Belikoff: Why do you have to outsource this or create this vi? Just edit the video right there yourself. Like why do you have to just go do the, as a marketer you want to create a beautiful piece of content, just go and create it. ’cause it can create it for you. Now [00:00:13] Jon Yoo: you can feel it happening. The ecosystem is shifting beneath us, the way Hyperscalers are partnering. [00:00:19] Jon Yoo: How AI is remaking the channel and what it means to win in 2026. [00:00:25] Vince Menzione: Welcome to The Ultimate Partner Podcast. I’m Vince Manzione, your host. [00:00:30] Jon Yoo: We just wrapped up two days in Bellevue with some of the sharpest partner leaders in the business, and what we heard wasn’t incremental, it was tectonic. In this series, we’re going deeper into these conversations, the insights, the frameworks, the real movement we’re seeing in this market right now, because being in the room changes everything and we’re bringing that room to you. [00:00:55] Vince Menzione: And I am thrilled actually for this next one. Uh, I’ve had this opportunity to spend a little bit of time with this gentleman before, and welcoming him back is a pleasure and an honor. Cyril Beov, the vice president. I’m gonna botch up your title ’cause I always say marketplaces, but it’s much more than that. [00:01:14] Vince Menzione: So come on up, zero. And we’re gonna have a conversation and Cyril is amongst other things at Microsoft. Good to see you, sir. Yeah, [00:01:24] Cyril Belikoff: you too, [00:01:25] Vince Menzione: uh, is responsible for the, the Microsoft marketplace. [00:01:29] Cyril Belikoff: Are these your notes here? [00:01:30] Vince Menzione: These are, um, what is that? Yeah, these is gonna be our, our questions, so we, yeah, I, I need help sometimes so prompting, but, uh, so great to have you. [00:01:38] Vince Menzione: So just for purposes of title and context, ’cause your role is much bigger than just marketplace. Yeah. And we’re, we’re gonna sit down and John, is this me? Yes. And then John’s gonna join us. [00:01:47] Cyril Belikoff: Okay. Great. [00:01:48] Joe, [00:01:48] Vince Menzione: well, we’re gonna get started and start having a conversation. And we’ve, we’ve done some of these things before. [00:01:53] Vince Menzione: I’ve, I’ve had, you had me on your stage Yes. In your event at Alyssa Taylor’s event. [00:01:57] Cyril Belikoff: Yes. [00:01:58] Vince Menzione: And then, uh, we’ve, we’ve done some nice things together on stage, both at, at our event in Redmond last year. Yes. Then at our big, uh, ignite breakfast back [00:02:07] Cyril Belikoff: and forth, we had Vince come to our wider org and sort of, uh, I got to do the reverse. [00:02:13] Cyril Belikoff: And so interview him in front of a bunch of, uh, 500 marketers on what do we have to think about for partners. And so he gave us sort of the what’s going on in the partner ecosystem, how to think about it as we think about it, our marketing. [00:02:26] Vince Menzione: And I tried to be candid and represent this group. [00:02:28] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah, that’s great. [00:02:29] Yeah. [00:02:30] Vince Menzione: Was wonderful. Thank you for doing that. [00:02:31] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. [00:02:32] Vince Menzione: You, you work, you work in an amazing organization. Um, I’ve known Alyssa for many years as well, and you’re an incredible leader. And I just, I wanna frame this maybe with a conversation about, ’cause we’re gonna talk about what’s changed, but, but I think it’s still important for everybody in the room to understand what you did and what your team orchestrated around market. [00:02:52] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah, [00:02:52] Vince Menzione: because it was fragmented, it was in different organizations, it felt very dis disorganized, I guess. Yeah. For lack of a better word. [00:02:59] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. Thank you. Um, essentially we took it from incubation Island to the mainland Microsoft. I love it. Uh, GTM [00:03:07] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:03:07] Cyril Belikoff: Is the simplest way to think about it. Um, and, uh, come September last year now, uh, we unified the, the, the, the many marketplaces. [00:03:19] Cyril Belikoff: Uh, whether it was an Azure marketplace or AppSource and others, and we created the new Microsoft marketplace. Yeah. So one single place for customers to come, discover, try, buy, and for partners, software companies and other NSIs to put their wares up. And, uh, it was the first step in a vision for us to create this digital flywheel for us to bring our customers and our partners together in a more, you know, automated way. [00:03:47] Vince Menzione: Which it, it sounds crazy when you think about it, right? Microsoft has always been like the partnership leader, the leader in the technology, and to have fragmented marketplaces before, right? Yeah. And so what clarity to bring that all together. [00:04:00] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. It was a big, it was a big step for us and I think what we realized is that customers and partners were saying, Hey, uh, it’s all one place. [00:04:07] Cyril Belikoff: If I’m looking for a SaaS application or an agent or, and plug into teams or whatever it is. I just want to get it all in one spot. Uh, and, uh, and then we need you to connect us to your channel. [00:04:21] Vince Menzione: Yes. [00:04:21] Cyril Belikoff: Uh, and your partners and, uh, can you build out, you know, partner capabilities for that Connects channel to software companies, to, to customers in a digital flywheel way. [00:04:30] Cyril Belikoff: Um, one of the things we actually also announced at that time was this concept of what we call. The marketplace framework. So it’s not just the fact that we have this digital experience or web experience, but that, um, applications that go into the marketplace, depending on the type of applications they get contextually surfaced within Microsoft products. [00:04:53] Vince Menzione: Okay. [00:04:53] Cyril Belikoff: And so if you’re, [00:04:54] Vince Menzione: explain that for this Yeah. For me and for this crap. [00:04:57] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. So if you are a, um, if you’re a co-pilot certified agent. M 365 copilot agent, you’ll be in the marketplace, but you’ll also be automatically surfaced inside the M 365 copilot, um, product. [00:05:11] Vince Menzione: Nice. [00:05:12] Cyril Belikoff: Same for, uh, large language models in foundry, add-ins in teams, those sort of things. [00:05:18] Cyril Belikoff: ’cause it’s one thing to be where people go to discover Tribu, but users also go into these stores, whether it’s a developer user or an end user. They go in the flow of their work and they want to move quickly. Yes. And so, uh, so they have access. We think that’s very attractive. And the feedback was, Hey, that’s quite differentiated. [00:05:35] Cyril Belikoff: ’cause we have, uh, hundreds of millions of customers in these products every day. [00:05:39] Vince Menzione: Yes. [00:05:39] Cyril Belikoff: And so giving our customers access, our partners access to it and improving their customer experience, um, has worked out well. [00:05:47] Vince Menzione: And something else you did too, because at one point, you know, we were talking about co-selling and single-threaded. [00:05:53] Vince Menzione: And Microsoft has this incredible ecosystem and channel. [00:05:57] Cyril Belikoff: Yes. [00:05:58] Vince Menzione: And it, it was totally disconnected from the whole marketplace strategy, right? Yes. Yeah. [00:06:03] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. So we, uh, um, we launched, I think in, uh, sorry. At that time in September, we launched five of our largest distributors who were also federating the Microsoft marketplace into their marketplaces. [00:06:16] Cyril Belikoff: And then in the November timeframe at Microsoft Ignite, we launched resale enabled offer [00:06:23] Vince Menzione: RO, [00:06:23] Cyril Belikoff: which is REO, which is a new capability that is proven extremely popular, that connects the software company and the reseller, you know, um, to go and do more deals at scale faster. So [00:06:36] Vince Menzione: we have, we have four of the Es in the room, [00:06:38] Cyril Belikoff: right? [00:06:38] Vince Menzione: Some of the four at the top. Five or six. And then also one of your largest resellers software, one is here as well. [00:06:45] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. Great. [00:06:46] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:06:47] Cyril Belikoff: Great. So it’s, uh, we’ve been busy. [00:06:48] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:06:49] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. Like I said, um, uh, much more work to do. But we are moving from like this incubation project to mainland get it integrated into our core customer, go to market, uh, so that our, uh, software companies and partners have access to those customers. [00:07:03] Cyril Belikoff: And then integration, uh, with the channel. So [00:07:06] Vince Menzione: it’s been a lot happening these last 12 months. Uh. Then Frontier, let’s talk about Frontier. That’s another piece of this. [00:07:14] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. I’m sure Steven touched on, uh, frontier Transformational or becoming Frontier or Frontier Firm. So probably not helpful to me rehash that. [00:07:23] Cyril Belikoff: I think in general. If you go to a Microsoft discussion or session and you don’t hear about frontier or Frontier transformation, please like, raise your hand and give feedback because that is, um, [00:07:34] Vince Menzione: I kept away from the word frontier with Steve. We were talking about it, but we weren’t using the term frontier. [00:07:38] Vince Menzione: Yeah. ’cause I feel like it gets overused. It’s, [00:07:40] Cyril Belikoff: yeah, it does. It’s, it’s sort of, um, what we try to do with it is articulate it in a way that it’s not just about AI for AI’s sake. [00:07:48] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:07:48] Cyril Belikoff: But it’s AI based on what the customer outcome is trying to, what the customer is trying to achieve on their outcome. Um, and so as part of that, of course, you know, agents, AI applications is a big part of what’s driving customers’ capability of, uh, to become frontier. [00:08:05] Cyril Belikoff: And, uh, the marketplace is part of that. ’cause they can either custom build that. Uh, or they can, you know, buy off the shelf, right? Uh, or, and actually in Combin they do mostly they do both, right? And so, um, in order to accelerate their ability to become more frontier, we have these, uh, partners that build, uh, third party solutions through a marketplace. [00:08:27] Cyril Belikoff: And then, uh, uh, those same partners or others that build bespoke solutions around that. So, um, a lot of momentum around, uh, AI apps and agencies, as you can imagine. Um, we have, I think, 5,000 plus AI apps and agents. [00:08:43] Vince Menzione: I was gonna ask you what you’re focused on now, but you, I think you’re tying into this now already. [00:08:47] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. Um, so of course that’s important. [00:08:50] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:08:50] Cyril Belikoff: But really for us it’s about doubling down on driving customer, customer demand. How do we merchandise the right things that customers are looking for? How do we, uh, accelerate any of our flows? Like we will spend hours just looking at like the flow of one scenario. [00:09:07] Cyril Belikoff: Where is it getting stuck? How do we improve it? Um, and then how do we connect it to the channel? And, and what, what more things can we do like EO or multi-party private offers and the like, and we have. Probably an announcement a month in the next three or four months. [00:09:24] Vince Menzione: Oh, come on. Let’s, [00:09:24] Cyril Belikoff: that will, [00:09:25] Vince Menzione: I know, I know it’s early. [00:09:26] Vince Menzione: I know it’s early, but you, you’ve got some, I know you’ve got some things. Think [00:09:29] Cyril Belikoff: about the customer experience. Think about the channel integration and dream about [00:09:33] Vince Menzione: what maybe more of a global scale with some of the offerings, maybe, maybe. Um, so, you know, I, so I, the earnings, we talked about the earnings with Steven, but I thought that there was a very compelling number around the commitment number. [00:09:46] Vince Menzione: Yes. You and you run your Azure as part of your remit. We didn’t go through your entire remit. [00:09:50] Cyril Belikoff: Yep. [00:09:51] Vince Menzione: It’s not just marketplace. You also, you also own the Azure number. [00:09:53] Cyril Belikoff: Yep. [00:09:54] Vince Menzione: Let’s talk about that. [00:09:55] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. Um. You know, it’s, it’s exciting times for customers. They want to do things not only with us, but with everyone in the room. [00:10:04] Cyril Belikoff: Um, and they are making very large commitments, huge commitments over the next two to three years to spend on Azure. Um, and so it’s now our joint jobs to go and help them identify the right business outcome and go and, you know, consume that commitment. It is just a commitment. It’s not actual. Consumption. [00:10:27] Cyril Belikoff: Yes. And so it’s all of our jobs to take advantage of that. The, the customers are saying, Hey, we have line of sight to the types of things we want to go do over the next two to three years. Uh, probably not everything is, you know, i’s dotted and t’s across, but they have line of sight to most of it. Um, and how do we go help them drive that? [00:10:46] Cyril Belikoff: Um, and so from an Azure perspective, obviously that’s very encouraging for us. It, it allows us to. Invest in more data centers and more capacity that we are doing as fast as we can. Um, and then, um, and then of course on marketplace, the marketplace can retire. [00:11:04] Vince Menzione: That’s [00:11:04] Cyril Belikoff: that Azure commitment. That’s, [00:11:05] Vince Menzione: I wanted to make sure [00:11:06] Cyril Belikoff: people understand that the, in fact, not only the Azure component from the marketplace, but the full software stack from the partner, uh, the software company retires the Azure commitment. [00:11:17] Cyril Belikoff: So if it’s. Uh, I’ll make it up if it’s, uh, a hundred bucks and it’s 50 50, it’s not 50 50, but, um, I won’t disclose any percentages, but let’s say it’s 50 50, it’s much more for the software company, by the way. Um, if it’s 50 50, it’s not just like the $50 for Azure that gets retired. It’s the entire a hundred dollars that gets retired on the customer commitment, commitment, which is great for the software company. [00:11:39] Cyril Belikoff: It’s also great for the customer that they can, you know. Bring that through, uh, to, uh, to their Azure commitment. And we do the same thing with our sellers. So the marketplace sales retire our sellers compensation. So we’re like checking every box so that there’s no friction in the system. So that, so the partner, the customer, our sellers, they’re all juiced to go and. [00:12:03] Cyril Belikoff: Deals with marketplace. [00:12:04] Vince Menzione: I, I hope everybody un understand. I mean, I understand this. I hope everybody else understand this too. ’cause I, I was, watch, you know, I, I, I watched LinkedIn and I see people post things and somebody made a comment about how difficult it was to use Microsoft Portal. And I was thinking to myself, do you realize that there’s, I’ll say 150 billion, but it’s probably a bigger number than that. [00:12:22] Vince Menzione: That’s a total addressable market available to you if you’re a Microsoft partner. You can access these customer commitments. [00:12:30] Cyril Belikoff: Oh yes. [00:12:30] Vince Menzione: If you bring your product on Mark over 400 now [00:12:32] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. [00:12:33] Vince Menzione: You bring your product into the marketplace, you have access and the customer can retire that commitment. [00:12:38] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. [00:12:39] Vince Menzione: Without having to justify a new cost justification. [00:12:41] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. They don’t have to go to procurement. They don’t have to. Yeah. [00:12:44] Vince Menzione: Yeah. I mean, it’s a huge opportunity. [00:12:46] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. [00:12:46] Vince Menzione: So, um, so you’ve been focused on quite a bit. We wanted to invite John on stage. [00:12:53] Cyril Belikoff: Great. [00:12:53] Vince Menzione: John, you from Sugar is here. Where’s John? Is John in the house? Where’s John? [00:12:57] Cyril Belikoff: There he is. [00:12:58] Vince Menzione: Who’s also an expert in Marketplace. [00:13:00] Vince Menzione: A great friend of Ultimate Partner. Great. Hey, how’s it going? He’s a great partner of Ultimate Partner. Great to see you, sir. All the way from San Fran. Oh, actually we’re on your side of the coast, so, uh, it’s long. He looks [00:13:12] Jon Yoo: cooler than us [00:13:12] Vince Menzione: though. He, he always looks cool. I said that about time. [00:13:15] Jon Yoo: You know, I gotta be comfortable. [00:13:16] Jon Yoo: I gotta be comfortable. [00:13:18] Vince Menzione: So John, good to, good to have you. You’re thanks for having us. You guys are like, every time I see a post from you, you’re moving into a new office space ’cause you’ve outgrown your office space. [00:13:26] Jon Yoo: Yeah, we’re, we’re really excited about the new office. We have hvac, which is a, a big, big, uh, it’s a big thing. [00:13:31] Jon Yoo: Improvements, high ceilings, you know, the whole works h help [00:13:36] Cyril Belikoff: sometimes. Yeah, [00:13:37] Jon Yoo: yeah, yeah, yeah. We, we have our, uh, office opening party if anyone’s an SF on Ally first. [00:13:41] Vince Menzione: Nice. Nice. Yeah. May, may, May 21st. May 21st. That’s right. Well, so, so you’ve been, you’ve had like a front row seat to all of this. I would love to get your perspective on what you’re seeing across partners and what’s changed over the last 12 months. [00:13:55] Jon Yoo: Yeah, so, uh, for those that don’t know, um, sugar is a, uh, a revenue platform for cloud marketplaces and co-selling. Um, so we partner very closely with Microsoft as well as either hyperscalers and other marketplaces like Snowflake, Alibaba, et cetera. And what we, what, what I’m seeing is a couple things. One marketplace is becoming a default to go to market engine. [00:14:17] Jon Yoo: So, you know, I think a lot of people see the stats about how the, the GMV, so, you know, the, the throughput through these marketplaces have been doubling. We’re seeing that in our data as well. So we’re seeing triple digit revenue growth from marketplaces. We’re seeing companies who, you know, maybe the earlier end of marketplaces were infra platform layer of software that used to really adopt it. [00:14:37] Jon Yoo: Now you’re seeing. You know, explosion in a business application layer of companies as well. And so that’s super exciting. I’d say the second piece is channel players are getting more and more involved. Um, I think, you know, I’m the Silicon Valley SaaS bubble, uh, or the AI bubble, so to speak. And I didn’t know as much about the channel world and even these big AI companies. [00:14:59] Jon Yoo: I mean, you’re seeing unprecedented, unprecedented demand, uh, for these, you know, LMS or these AI biz apps. And despite that, they are really working with a partner ecosystem because you’re realizing that most of the world do not really know how to adopt ai. Yeah. And they’re really leaning on expertise. [00:15:18] Jon Yoo: And these AI companies, AI native companies, are looking to channel partners who have these. You know, relationships with their end buyers on how to deliver change managements, how to deliver enablement, not just a system integration site. [00:15:32] Vince Menzione: And they’re also looking to the platform or platforms in the case, Microsoft here also. [00:15:36] Vince Menzione: Right. Which, because like what, where am I gonna do just go out and buy philanthropic or Claude or whatever? I need that to be integrated into my enterprise as well. Right, exactly. [00:15:46] Jon Yoo: So we’re definitely seeing like more adoption of Microsoft Foundry, for example, as people think about security and governance and whatnot. [00:15:52] Vince Menzione: Yeah. Very cool. Any comments on, on? [00:15:55] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah, that makes absolute sense. It’s, uh, um, you know, lots of layers to AI from data. The a, the AI layer itself, the application layer, uh, and innovations happening at all of those pieces of the stack. Um, and so when a software company is trying to, you know, uh, modernize their thought process or build new. [00:16:19] Cyril Belikoff: They ha they have to think about all of those components. Foundry obviously is the AI layer and it provides them with capability to be agile and move quickly and do compliance and, and snap into an organization’s, um, architecture. But it’s the same applies to data, like how it’s fine to have AI but doesn’t, doesn’t do anything without data. [00:16:40] Vince Menzione: Right. [00:16:40] Cyril Belikoff: And so then how do they get data in the cloud? Um, uh, [00:16:44] Vince Menzione: and then how do you security [00:16:45] Cyril Belikoff: govern and govern, right? And how you secure govern, you know, all those sort of things. So obviously we have first party experiences, but they have partners with, um, their own solutions. They’re built on top of, [00:16:53] Vince Menzione: yeah. [00:16:53] Cyril Belikoff: Those Microsoft layers. And, uh, you know, like John says, lots of momentum. [00:16:58] Vince Menzione: So let’s talk about the maturity curve. Like walk us through it. Where do you see partners in this room sitting today? And what does it take to move for them to move to the next stage? Like, what would be your guidance for, for this group? [00:17:11] Jon Yoo: So, you know, we, we work across the entire spectrum of companies. You know, we work with the, the largest enterprises who’ve done billions through these marketplaces like Snowflake, workday, to leading AI companies like Glean or OpenAI, uh, to earlier stage startups who are completely new to marketplaces and really look for, for guidance around what do I do in my first 90 days? [00:17:33] Jon Yoo: How do I get the attention of Microsoft sellers, or how do I. Optimize my marketplace operations so that we can be discovered, uh, really easily on Microsoft Marketplace and others. And the, the way that I think about it is companies first come on, because it is buyer driven oftentimes. So, I mean, that’s just the truth of the nature of you have these big enterprises that want to, you know, burn down their Mac agreements, for example, and that’s how they get started. [00:17:59] Jon Yoo: And or a, a as like this whole space maturing, you’re seeing. A new CRO come in and they’ve done this at X, Y, Z companies and they want to bring that playbook over. But then as they start to do a couple deals through these marketplaces, they think, and this is start of the the flywheel, right? Hey, what do I need for co-selling? [00:18:19] Jon Yoo: And there are systems, you know, integrations and playbooks that need to be done well. Once you do have co-selling figured out, how do I now know which opportunities to co-sell? So we have things like intense signals to be able to. Help them, you know, help overlay a cloud, go to market lens over your existing pipeline. [00:18:36] Jon Yoo: And then now it becomes less of a partnership initiative and actually elevates up to the CRO initiative. And across each of those, um, layers, uh, you have different automation needs because once you actually start to get the flywheel going, it becomes. Holy crap. Now I’m doing 10, 20, 30, 50% of my revenue through these market, you know, through, through marketplace. [00:18:58] Jon Yoo: And it’s creating different data pipelines of work to be done. And now I have to figure out my finance angle of how do I do revenue recognition through these indirect channels. And so that, that, that is kind of the maturity covers. I think about it when you try to retrofit like, uh, all the automation up front, it doesn’t go as well. [00:19:16] Jon Yoo: You have to do a crawl, walk, run approach so that you can also build and bring the rest of the organization with you. So if I look at ’em to the, you know, there’s some familiar faces, some folks that probably are wondering some new faces [00:19:28] Vince Menzione: as well. [00:19:29] Jon Yoo: Yeah. What, what Microsoft marketplace or what marketplace even is. [00:19:33] Jon Yoo: I’d probably say people are in that transformation bucket of, Hey, I’ve done a couple of deals, we’re in this early stages of co-selling. Now I, now I gotta figure out how to supercharge it because this is kind of the future, you know, we can talk more about agenta commerce and whatnot, but, um, I think a lot of people are figuring it out than looking for. [00:19:51] Jon Yoo: For guidance here, [00:19:53] Vince Menzione: zero. [00:19:55] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. You know, I would say, um, I’ll get what I call tactical yet strategic. [00:20:01] Vince Menzione: Okay. [00:20:01] Cyril Belikoff: Which just think about product-led growth. Yeah. Just think about, uh, similar to the consumer world, if you wanna sell something, you need search engine optimization. If you are thinking about these marketplaces and Microsoft marketplace being one, how are you optimizing your listing so that when a user goes into like the search bar, it’s optimized to bring back the results that make sense to you? [00:20:29] Cyril Belikoff: I think historically we’ve had scenarios where some partners have used the marketplace primarily as like a transaction thing. They’ve done the deal, but then they’re transacted on the marketplace ’cause they wanna retire the the Azure commitment. And that is changing to be sort of product led and marketplace led, uh, versus deal led. [00:20:49] Cyril Belikoff: Uh, but you cannot have a generic one line sentence in your listing. You will not be surfaced unless the customer literally knows your name and will search for you. You’ll not be surfaced if they search for a particular category healthcare app that does something right. And if that’s your thing, you should have the right keywords, you have the right images, have the right videos, and we believed in it so much. [00:21:14] Cyril Belikoff: We actually built a listing optimization AI tool that will auto look at your listing. And based on our best practices, and we know what our search engine is doing, we will make recommendations to you on how to improve. Listing. And so it’s not like a read a document as a best practice. It actually will be an ai, uh, customized tool for your particular listing. [00:21:37] Cyril Belikoff: So lean into those types of things, you know, to, as John says, says, think about the digital flow. This over time will become much more of your, of your business. So make sure you’re thinking about, you know, if someone’s on the marketplace and they decide to trial something for you, how, how are you following up? [00:21:56] Cyril Belikoff: Like, how do you take the next steps? Um, maybe you, maybe you working with a reseller and you don’t have your own sellers, but how do you wiring that into your resellers so your resellers are following up? Or if you have your own sellers, you know, your own sellers are doing it. So you have to sort of digitize your thinking on sales and marketing in this new market, commercial marketplace world, versus in the same way we would’ve done in like the consumer marketplace on Amazon or, you know, um, as you search something on Google. [00:22:26] Cyril Belikoff: Maybe bing. Um, so, um, yeah, yeah. This [00:22:29] Vince Menzione: size. B Come on, come on. [00:22:31] Cyril Belikoff: I [00:22:31] Vince Menzione: had bing. [00:22:32] Cyril Belikoff: Um, [00:22:33] Jon Yoo: I do wanna double click on that, which is when, when we, you know, I talk about like, hey, a lot of it’s buyer driven. A lot of people think about private offers, but then the marketplace offers. But the reality actually, when we look at the data is that there’s a lot more self-service [00:22:46] Vince Menzione: correct [00:22:47] Jon Yoo: offers than there are what they call private offers. [00:22:50] Jon Yoo: So where there’s deal led and that, that, that, that shift. It’s super exciting to see where now these marketplaces are becoming where buyers or users go to discover new products. Let alone, you know, in the future where let’s say there’s an AI agent that has some reward seeking function, and in order to do its job, it needs to go purchase a tool marketplace might be the channel where this happens, which is all the reason why that your listing does need to be optimized. [00:23:16] Jon Yoo: So that one, the agent knows exactly what your tool does and it can match against. Reward. And then second, you have to win the a EO race, right? Yeah. Of, of how you show up in these AI engines. So just wanted to double click on how important that is. Yeah. [00:23:31] Cyril Belikoff: Makes, makes total sense. And we’re, we’re seeing that shift from private office to having a public listed price and a, a public offer as well. [00:23:39] Cyril Belikoff: And so we’re, we’re ourselves investing in our own marketing demand generation. Just in the last three to four months because we’ve seen that taking off and as soon as we saw the signal, we’re like, oh, we should pour fuel on that fire. Because if, if we see organically customers don’t do it, we should, you know, we should go after that and help them understand that we’re here. [00:23:58] Cyril Belikoff: And, uh, if it’s working for some that are doing it by themselves, it’ll work for others and we’re seeing really, really good results. Um, so yeah, get your listing optimized. Think about your digital flows. As John says, the flows of the future are probably agentic wise, maybe not even a human coming to the Microsoft marketplace. [00:24:17] Cyril Belikoff: So you gotta be thinking, not now, it’s okay. You have time. Um, but in the future, you know, six months from now, that quite easily is a scenario. So you really have to start thinking about those, uh, those, uh, digital flows. [00:24:29] Vince Menzione: Yeah. It’s so insightful. Well, it’s what you call product led growth, basically. Yes. And agent led growth. [00:24:35] Vince Menzione: Yes. Right. In some respects. So this is where like we need to think about that. The future model where the agent comes in and actually does the purchasing. We’re not there yet, are we? [00:24:45] Jon Yoo: No. With some products, you know, um, especially, especially if it’s like developer tools. We’re starting to see some of that, but, uh, no one’s gonna buy a cybersecurity solution. [00:24:55] Jon Yoo: Um, that’s seven figures or an agent’s not gonna do that. Right. But the eng the, the search functions are a little bit changing. [00:25:03] Vince Menzione: Yeah. So a lot of ai, you know, we had Steven Boyle on earlier, we were talking about ai, AI natives, you know, that’s Jason Grey’s organization does a lot of work in that area. How do these organizations need to think and act and how do they leverage the cloud marketplaces? [00:25:17] Vince Menzione: Or how do le how do marketplaces fit into the equation? ’cause most of them are coming from a different like paradigm or mindset. [00:25:24] Jon Yoo: I mean, uh, it’s like the number one question, you know, I’ll give a little personal story of like, I get a lot of parking tickets, uh, and I don’t know how to pay off my late fees. [00:25:34] Jon Yoo: So we set up a little open claw that will actually go and ask me questions, and it actually pays off my parking tickets on my behalf. Um, so, so, so, you know, on the other hand, like there, there’s layers to it, right? It could be like layer one, I ask ai, Hey, how do I pay off my parking tickets? Layer two could be. [00:25:52] Jon Yoo: Hey, you know, what’s the best way for me to structure my cadence to pay off the parking tickets? And then layer three is like, Hey, AI, proactively check if I have parking tickets and go pay it on my behalf. Here’s my credit card information, you know, stored in a secure vault. So, uh, what, what I mean by a native as a company bring that analogy is, uh, bringing it at its core. [00:26:12] Jon Yoo: So like a little for, for sugar. We’ve spent the past six months optimizing around our entire, like company brain where we are storing all the context. To a singular, singular place that is queryable, that there’s no coordination tax between teams. Our entire product development process actually is automated where we have multiple agents debating one another, PRDs to code generation, code review, uh, you know, security, qa, et cetera, et cetera. [00:26:40] Jon Yoo: And then there’s humans in the loop across the process. So I would actually think about when we, when we fit that into, into marketplaces, it’s not just thinking about who’s going to send the offers or who’s gonna do the co-sell, or who’s gonna X, Y, Z, but how do you bring all that together so that your sales reps and your partnership person and Microsoft all has to share context in a given deal and it’s done automatically without, you know, back office folks having to update what partner led or partner influence means and reporting things in a, in an old way. [00:27:11] Jon Yoo: So it’s almost re-imagining. Entire workflow, given everyone should have open context of what’s going on in a given deal. So let’s say maybe a hand wavy way of answering that question. Yeah. But it does mean that we should be re-imagining, uh, what the job to be done is, uh, very fundamentally [00:27:28] Vince Menzione: cy, how are you thinking about it since you’re building the, the, the toolkit at Microsoft? [00:27:32] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah. Um, yeah. Well, John says absolutely is right, particularly around marketplace and how that sort of flow and ecosystem will work. Um, in addition to that, it’s. Not only about how marketplace or about developers ’cause the developer, uh, scenario or persona was the first globally to see the value of AI and agents in the flow of their work. [00:27:55] Cyril Belikoff: It was the first to like, oh, one developer can now do much more. I can be empowered, I can build agents to work on my behalf. I can, uh, I can be an architect instead of a hands-on coder. Right. It’s changed the profile of what developers do exactly what. Uh, John mentioned what he’s doing himself. That’s just one profile of a user. [00:28:17] Cyril Belikoff: Th there are many other profiles. A sales person, a marketer, a uh, CFO team, hr. Each of these are literally going through the same transformation. They’re one beat behind developers because developers, you know, was really tech enabled and tech stack driven, and the, and the opportunity was, was obvious quite quickly. [00:28:39] Cyril Belikoff: These are coming really quickly. This is not like the internet adoption cycle that took many multiple years. This is like, we’re talking months. So, and even inside Microsoft, we have our own, what we call, uh, frontier Marketing Internal Initiative to re, um, rewire marketers and how they go about their daily job and stop doing it this way and do it this way. [00:29:04] Cyril Belikoff: Just pick up M 365 copilot with. Coworking Claude, uh, embedded and just go do the work. Why do you have to outsource this or create this? Just edit the video right there yourself. Like, why do you have to just go do the, as a marketer you want to create a beautiful piece of content, just go and create it. [00:29:21] Cyril Belikoff: ’cause it can create it for you now. [00:29:22] Vince Menzione: Yeah, [00:29:23] Cyril Belikoff: three months ago, literally three months ago, it couldn’t do that. And so what is it gonna be in two months for a marketer or a salesperson or finance person? I mean, just co-pilot in Excel. What that is doing to the financial business is in, like if you, any financial person will tell you they live and breathe through in Excel, like it’s just, it’s their equivalent of, it runs [00:29:44] Vince Menzione: most businesses [00:29:44] Cyril Belikoff: their dev tool, right? [00:29:45] Cyril Belikoff: It’s their thing. It’s really [00:29:46] Vince Menzione: is. [00:29:47] Cyril Belikoff: So this is happening over and over again. Again, if you can package those things up and package a package, that piece of IP on a marketplace is, is not only gonna be a big system, it could be a very, very small piece of. Functionality in a flow for a marketer or a salesperson that is so valuable that can be solved many times on a marketplace. [00:30:08] Cyril Belikoff: And in many cases, everyone’s a software company at this point. Everybody can go and package something up. And so I would be stunned if we don’t see cross pollination from system integrators to channel partners, all just publishing on marketplaces based on, oh, I’ve done this thing four times. I cannot do it 400 times. [00:30:26] Cyril Belikoff: Let me just package it up and put it on a marketplace. So. Yeah, I’m sure you know, John alluded to that. It’s, there’s a lot of exciting times. [00:30:33] Vince Menzione: No, the future [00:30:33] Jon Yoo: is [00:30:33] Vince Menzione: great. What do you [00:30:34] Jon Yoo: totally, I mean, it’s, it’s a case of like, how do, what does being marketplace native also mean? [00:30:38] Cyril Belikoff: Yes. [00:30:38] Jon Yoo: You know, and not, I feel like I’ve seen so many people just use it as a, Hey, we’re opportunistically there and if we get some leads out of it, great. [00:30:45] Jon Yoo: Or if there’s some deals, great, but they’re not really leaning in and being marketplace native the way, you know, and right now there’s, this might be uncomfortable, but there’s no excuses. You know, like creating a partner marketing content with your brand guidelines. It should not take so many time. Or it’s a 10 minute exercise. [00:31:02] Jon Yoo: Exactly. Exactly. Three [00:31:03] Cyril Belikoff: prompts. [00:31:05] Vince Menzione: It used to be that ops used to get involved because, oh, we, we know that they have a commitment. Let’s go run it through the marketplace. Right now, what you both have been suggesting here is it becomes a discoverable process. It becomes part of your normal go to market strategy, and you’re, you’re driving pr, product led growth and SEO and all the things you need to do running a a corporation and modern corporation today. [00:31:26] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah, [00:31:26] Vince Menzione: exactly. So, what’s the future like? Where, where do we go in 12 months with this? What do you think? What do you predict? We, we get out a Ouija board or a crystal ball here. What, what, what do we think? [00:31:38] Cyril Belikoff: I think more broadly in the industry, you’re gonna, some of the scenarios that John alluded to, agent to agent interactions, uh, many agents acting on behalf of humans and on behalf of organizations, uh, and doing. [00:31:55] Cyril Belikoff: Simple things and quite complex things. Uh, and those need to be, uh, managed carefully, uh, with, uh, the right, uh, engagements and built carefully. And in, in many cases, customers will look to partners that are quote unquote certified on, uh, uh, HyperCloud platform. Uh, as a way to get going quickly, but also get the, the quality that they need. [00:32:21] Cyril Belikoff: Um, and I think instead of buying this monolithic, massive application, I think we will see lots more of smaller applications being built that have cleaner open, uh, you know, MC, you know, MCP type agent interfaces that can just work together, uh, without, you know. More complicated integration work, [00:32:42] Vince Menzione: cobbled together your own solutions as opposed to big [00:32:45] Cyril Belikoff: monolithic [00:32:45] Vince Menzione: applications. [00:32:46] Cyril Belikoff: Yeah, there’ll be a much more agile, [00:32:48] Vince Menzione: yeah. [00:32:48] Cyril Belikoff: Uh, personalization. I mean, a lot of people saying SaaS is dead. It’s not quite dead. But I think that SaaS will get significantly more agile, more custom and more personal, uh, for, uh, for customers. [00:33:03] Jon Yoo: I, I would agree with that. Um, I mean, I’m biased, but I think marketplace are gonna be even more relevant than ever. [00:33:08] Jon Yoo: I mean, it’s already highly relevant, but, uh, as you, you know, I think in the past the, the narrative was, well, there’s a new generation of buyers and they’re millennials. They, they wanted, you know, uh, I always talk about consumer experience to B2B sales, you know, and, and now it’s like agents that’s that on steroids. [00:33:24] Jon Yoo: Um, but what I, you know, beyond that, I think, uh, there, there’s a lot of talk of like SAS apocalypse or software companies getting. Destroyed by, you know, the, the, the AI labs or SaaS is dead or whatever. I think SaaS is gonna, I mean, there’s gonna be way more software companies because the cost to build is a lot easier. [00:33:46] Jon Yoo: That means that competition will be. Even more fierce than ever. And you have all these AI native companies that are coming out with a quicker time to market, quicker time to value, and they have some recursive loops that makes the product even that much better. Um, so what that means for everyone is like, one, you gotta go back to the, the core differentiations. [00:34:06] Jon Yoo: Or like in the past, maybe the, the time to build was the differentiation, but today it’s, or you know, there’s some other, obviously the core elements, but then there’s. Distribution. Yeah. So how do you partner with Microsoft, for example? How do you have your own self-improving like distribution model? That makes sense. [00:34:22] Jon Yoo: Marketplace being a huge component of that. Two is obviously there, there’s a piece of like network and data. That’s what we think about of hey, what makes our product better as more, more people use it. Um, because yeah, competition is crazy fierce and it finally goes into times deployment. That’s why you see these companies like. [00:34:41] Jon Yoo: Open AI anthropic that are competing for their enterprise, uh, pie. And instead of doing it themselves, they’re, I mean, I think OpenAI just did a joint venture of like $4.1 billion into the deployment company. Anthropics doing the same, they’re surrounding themselves with the ecosystem and channel is going to be more relevant than than ever, as long as you know how to enable AI services and know how to deliver on this technology to the, to the broader world. [00:35:07] Jon Yoo: And so. Channel awesome. Marketplace, awesome. You know, competition’s gonna be fierce. Success is not going anywhere. [00:35:16] Vince Menzione: Good conversation, gentlemen. [00:35:18] Jon Yoo: Awesome. [00:35:18] Vince Menzione: I’ve been told we’re over time. I wanted to open it up to questions. Um, but I do feel like we, yeah, I’ll get, I’ll get yelled at. But this was incredible. Um, some great, I mean, the, the pa it, it’s terrific to see. [00:35:36] Vince Menzione: How far we’ve come in, so shorter period of time, and it’s only gonna continue to get better. I think the one question I’ll have is like, what, what would hold any of these companies back at this point? It feels like it’s such a compelling reason we need to move forward. Is there, is there anything, like why would, why would we hold back? [00:35:54] Cyril Belikoff: Um, you know, some of the discussions we have, um, is about how to balance today’s world with tomorrow’s world a little bit. [00:36:01] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:36:02] Cyril Belikoff: Today’s business model with tomorrow’s business model, today’s financial results with tomorrow’s financial results. Um, and there are very different approaches to all of this. [00:36:13] Cyril Belikoff: Those AI natives, they’re like, there is no yesterday. There’s only tomorrow. Um, there those companies that realize they’re being threatened by AI natives and so they have to move quickly. Um, and, uh. Figure out a, a, a business model and then someone else who wants to do a bit of both and bridge into it. [00:36:32] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:36:32] Cyril Belikoff: Um, and just within that frame there are different ways to tackle it, whether it’s create two teams, one’s the future team, one’s the current team, and, you know, may the best team win, um, makes sense with the customer and that, uh, or, uh, give the, give the customer the choice and have the teams going together. [00:36:49] Cyril Belikoff: So there are lots of different approaches. [00:36:51] Vince Menzione: Right. So great to have you. Did you have some, did you have a comment to make on that? [00:36:55] Jon Yoo: Uh, no. Just, uh, unwillingness to lean in and learn something new. Yeah. [00:36:59] Vince Menzione: Yeah. [00:37:00] Jon Yoo: I’m, I’m, I’m much more in the burn all boats buckets. Yeah, [00:37:03] Vince Menzione: I know. Me too. [00:37:03] Jon Yoo: Of, uh, no, no old team and new team. [00:37:05] Jon Yoo: Just new team and you know, that’s just push forward. [00:37:07] Vince Menzione: Well, great to have two amazing leaders on stage with [00:37:10] Cyril Belikoff: us. Thanks [00:37:10] Vince Menzione: so [00:37:10] Cyril Belikoff: much. [00:37:10] Vince Menzione: So thank you [00:37:11] Jon Yoo: so much. Yeah, thank [00:37:11] Vince Menzione: you [00:37:15] Jon Yoo: so much. [00:37:16] Vince Menzione: Don’t forget. Ultimate Partner Live is coming soon, October 26th through October 28th in Reston, Virginia. I hope to see you there. [00:37:28] I.

According to Salesforce, 60% of a sales rep's time is not spent selling. If you've got someone on $200K, a significant portion of that salary is going to admin — not revenue.In this episode, Dave and Regan dig into the most offensive stat in sales right now, where that time is actually going, and the exact steps sales leaders can take to get admin time down to 5% — without buying another tool.What you'll learn:→ Where the 60% of lost selling time actually goes — the breakdown will surprise you→ Why 5% admin time is the real goal and what a rep's week looks like when you get there→ How to treat your revenue operations like an F1 car — always looking for 1% improvements→ The difference between what a high performer does vs a low performer and what it tells you about admin→ Why reps default to data entry when they don't know their next step→ The internal bureaucracy silently killing your team's selling time→ How AI cold outreach and personalized list-building is changing what's possible for sales teams→ The one thing you can do right now without buying another tool→ Why sales enablement starts with removing noise — not adding more toolsIf you manage a sales team and you're pushing activity metrics instead of fixing the system — this episode is for you.

The marketing funnel you've built your whole strategy around? It never described how people actually buy. It was a tidy oversimplification, and in a world of zero-click search and AI-saturated channels, it's never held up worse.In this episode, Amber sits down with Udi Ledergor — Gong's first marketer, now Chief Evangelist, author of Courageous Marketing, and the guy who ran a Super Bowl ad and coined a category on the way to $500M in ARR.Udi's argument cuts against the "hack-everything" reflex of modern GTM: brand isn't a vibe, it's trust, and trust is the only thing that makes a buyer go straight to you instead of crawling through a funnel. What this episode covers:Why brand comes down to one thing, trust, and how raving fans replace the funnel entirelyThe unconventional bets behind Gong's brand: the Super Bowl spot, the bulldog, the 2021 enterprise rebrandWhy Courageous Marketing never mentions AI on purpose, and what makes a marketing principle timelessThe two-headed dragon: what actually fixes sales and marketing alignment (hint: do you know how your CRO takes their coffee?)Why a marketing team not working from the same data as sales is committing a crime against its own companyHow AI agents now prove marketing's hard impactThis episode unpacks exactly why the companies winning right now are the ones people demand their employer buy.-----------------------------------------------------

AI sales is often framed as replacement. Swetha Puvvada sees it differently: the real opportunity is using AI to remove the busy work so sellers can get back to listening, understanding pain, and having better conversations. Swetha is Head of Product & Growth at Teameight, an AI SaaS company building an augmentation platform for sales teams. We talk about product, GTM, customer feedback, career growth, mountaineering, and how she went from early-career intern to owning product and go-to-market inside a startup.  We also discuss: • Why AI should augment sales instead of replacing sellers  • How Teameight helps ramp new sellers faster • Why negative customer feedback is useful when it is specific • What makes someone a good salesperson • How Swetha moved from internship to Head of Product and GTM • Why younger talent needs broader product and systems thinking • How mountaineering teaches trust, risk, and preparation  • Being one of the few women in tech and mountaineering • Why taking opportunities matters more than waiting for permission  Swetha links LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swetha-puvvada/ Teameight: https://www.teameight.ai/ Jason links https://linktr.ee/admin

In this episode, Abhishek Srivastava, a senior product marketing manager at Simpplr, joins Louise Liu to share his insights on why internal enablement is the hardest part of go-to-market. He breaks down what GTM really means, common mistakes product marketers make, and how strong enablement drives real business impact beyond the launch.For more information, please check out Abhishekl's article: Your GTM Plan Is Only as Good as Your Internal Enablement.

This episode originally aired in September of 2024, however it was jam-packed with so many valuable insights I wanted to share it again. In this throwback rewind we're thrilled to welcome Jason Yarborough, a seasoned professional with a diverse background that includes roles such as:Director of OperationsAssistant Store Manager at StarbucksSales Representative/Account ExecutiveDirector of Marketing/StrategyVP of PartnershipsT-Ball Coach He currently guides partner programs to scalability through GTM training, program development, and coaching. He co-hosts the "Friends with Benefits" podcast with his wife, Sam. In this week's episode, we discussed:His journey from being a generalist to becoming a strategic partner in the business world.How he bridges the gap between agencies and leadership challenges.His diverse career experience, from operations at Starbucks to marketing and partnerships at companies like Garden of Life, Social Fresh, Terminus, and Arcadia.The importance of building long-term relationships and creating engagement through thoughtful experiences.Jason also emphasized the importance of partner experience, long-term relationship building, and creating engagement through thoughtful moments. He highlighted the "Disney Experience" approach, where partners feel seen, heard, and known, and discussed the need to move beyond transactional relationships by offering advanced training and focusing on where to invest time effectively. Please enjoy this week's episode with Jason Yarborough! I am now in the early stages of writing my first book! It will cover my journey into sales, the lessons learned, and include stories and advice from top sales professionals around the world. I'm excited to share these interviews and bring you along on this journey!Like the show? Subscribe to the email: Subscribe HereI want your feedback! Reach out at 20percentpodcastquestions@gmail.com or connect with me on LinkedIn.If you know anyone who would benefit from this show, please share it! If you have suggestions for guests, let me know!Enjoy the show!

270 | Nicolas Schell ist ein Pionier für GTM-Engineering - mit AI-Tools automatisiert er ganze Vertriebs-Teams.Mach das 1-minütige Quiz und finde eine Geschäftsidee, die zu dir passt: digitaleoptimisten.de/quiz.So erreichst du uns:Sprachnachricht senden: https://www.speakpipe.com/digitaleoptimistenEmail schreiben: alexander@digitaleoptimisten.deLearningsGo-to-market-Engineering: Vier SchritteDas Go-to-market-Engineering-Playbook besteht aus vier Schritten: ICP definieren, TAM mappen, Kontaktdaten der Entscheider finden und Cold Outreach planen. Nico erklärt diese Struktur explizit im Gespräch als Kernprozess des GTM-Engineerings. Die klare Abfolge macht GTM-operativ umsetzbar und messbar, statt vage zu bleiben.ICP und datengetriebene ZielgruppenDer ICP wird datengetrieben definiert, indem man das Problem des Kunden sichtbar macht und analysiert, in welcher Situation er es hat. Für die Longlist nutzt Scalantech Northdata, Google Maps Scraping (Epi-Fi) und Datenbanken wie AI Arc; dabei wird ein Pareto-Ansatz verwendet, um die 20% der Kunden zu finden, die 80% des Umsatzes ausmachen. In der Fallstudie Seven Senders erzielte man 10% Antwortrate per E-Mail, 25% per LinkedIn und 38 Meetings in zwei Monaten, was die Wirksamkeit datengetriebener Zielgruppenauswahl belegt.Natürliche Nachricht statt KI-MassenoutreachManuell erstellte Outreach-Nachrichten werden anschließend mit KI-gestützten Anpassungen personalisiert; vollständige KI-Generierung lehnt Nico ab. Der Fokus liegt darauf, dass die Ansprache natürlich wirkt, fast wie eine Nachricht an einen Kumpel, statt wie eine Standard-Sales-Nachricht. Obwohl Trigger-Hacks funktionieren können, bleiben Fundamentals wie gute Liste, Personalisierung und solides Angebot entscheidend.Hypothese: Services als SoftwareHypothese: Die Zukunft gehört Services as software; Unternehmen setzen KI-Agenten ein, um Services zu automatisieren; die nächste Trillion-Dollar-Firma könnte eine Softwarefirma sein, die sich als Servicesfirma maskiert. Zukunftsgespräche sehen auch produktisierte Services und AI-Agenten pro Kunde vor; eine konkrete Idee ist eine Go-to-Market-Engineering-School kombiniert mit einer Headhunting-Agentur für AI-Engineers.KeywordsGTM Engineering, Go-to-Market Engineering, Vertriebsautomatisierung, KI im Vertrieb, Sales Automation, B2B Vertrieb, Kaltakquise, Cold Outreach, Leadgenerierung, NeukundengewinnungClay, Lemlist, n8n, Claude Code, Apollo, Northdata, AI Arc, InstantlyKI ersetzt Jobs, AI SDR, KI Vertriebler, Services as Software, Vertrieb der Zukunft, Sales mit KI, Automatisierung MittelstandVertriebsteam durch KI ersetzen, Cold Outreach personalisieren, ICP definieren, B2B Leadliste erstellen, Outreach Antwortrate erhöhenNicolas Schell, Scalantech, Digitale Optimisten

Gaurav Agarwal, COO of ClickUp, joins Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno, and Asad Zaman after ClickUp, a company north of $300 million in ARR, parted ways with 22% of its workforce while rolling out pay packages up to $1 million a year for the individual contributors who stay. Gaurav walks through how a central Foundry team builds the tooling while each function's top performers automate their own jobs, why he wants his org to run like a pirate ship before a naval fleet, and how a two-person marketing team now ships 70 to 100 campaigns a week. Topics include which roles get eaten as AI collapses the org chart, why a great seller will never get the AI leverage a great engineer does, the case for working in public so AI has full context, and the mercenary-versus-missionary tension reshaping GTM talent. Plus, a Quiz Pro Quo on the SpaceX IPO and OpenAI's tender offer, and a Bulls and Bears debate on buying applications from foundation model companies versus the pure application layer. Key Takeaways: - Gaurav's mental model moved from treating AI as a sidekick to treating AI as the worker itself. As Gaurav Agarwal, COO of ClickUp, framed it: "AI will do the job, you like it or not... Humans will build AI to do the job and AI will do the job better than an 80th percentile human. And then our jobs become managers and trainers of AI." - ClickUp is rebuilding its compensation bands around the people who create the most leverage with AI. As Gaurav Agarwal put it: "we want our top employees who are using AI to build digital workers... They should be paid higher," and he is blunt that the payoff is uneven by function: "I don't think sales gets the same leverage out of AI the way engineering does." - Standing up an AI-native org early means choosing chaos before structure. Six months into ClickUp's push, Gaurav Agarwal described it plainly: "what I need right now is I need entropy... let's go be a little bit like a pirate ship... then we will bring in someone who can structure those pirates as a naval fleet." - As AI collapses engineering, product, and design into overlapping roles, Gaurav Agarwal made the case for the multi-spike specialist over the generalist: "I think it's an E-shaped specialist... specialists who have more than 2 or 3 spikes eat up those spikes." His rule for who wins the consolidation: "the one with the best taste and the drive to work and learn and improve eats up adjacent departments." Connect with the Hosts & Guests: Host: Sam Jacobs, CEO at Pavilion - https://www.linkedin.com/in/samfjacobs/ Host: AJ Bruno, CEO at QuotaPath - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajbruno3/ Host: Asad Zaman, CEO at Sales Talent Agency - https://www.linkedin.com/in/azaman1/ Guest: Gaurav Agarwal, COO at ClickUp - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gauravragarwal/ Topline is more than a YouTube Channel: Subscribe to Topline Newsletter: https://toplinemedia.substack.com/ Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-podcast Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast: https://www.joinpavilion.com/topline-slack Chapters: 00:00 Introducing Gaurav Agarwal 03:55 ClickUp's 22% AI Layoff 05:30 AI Will Do the Job 07:42 Agentic Workflows at ClickUp 10:43 Pirate Ship or Naval Fleet 15:07 AI's Jagged Edges 17:13 Where Do You Start 24:19 AI Amplifies Talent Gaps 25:50 Should You Record Everything 40:28 Quiz Pro Quo 48:56 Paying for AI Leverage 53:27 Mercenary Versus Missionary 1:01:12 Bulls and Bears 1:09:59 Hiring Salesforce GTM Talent 1:12:25 Collapsing Roles and Specialists

The Dashboard Is Dead: What Snowflake's CMO Does Instead Denise Persson runs a 700-person marketing organization at one of the most data-rich companies on the planet, and she does not start her morning by logging into a dashboard. She interrogates her data directly, gets answers to questions she used to have to Slack three people about, and moves on. No meetings about the numbers. No debates about what the pipeline data means. No waiting until end of quarter to find out if a campaign worked. In this session, Denise joins SaaStr CAIO Amelia LeRutte to break down what AI-powered marketing actually looks like when you have the scale, the data infrastructure, and the compliance requirements of Snowflake, and what founders and marketing leaders at any stage can steal from the playbook right now. You'll learn: How Snowflake cut cost per opportunity by 30% by using agents to optimize media spend in real time across fragmented channels that used to require separate analytics for each What Denise's morning brief actually contains, from pipeline projections to org health to flagged travel expenses, and why nobody gets a Slack message from her anymore Why the GTM engineer is the only marketing function Snowflake is actively hiring into, what profiles are converting into the role, and why business analysts are not making the list How to build AI fluency across a large team without making it mandatory or performative, including the weekly AI challenge, quarterly AI days, and a leaderboard that rewards curiosity over token count Why data quality is the single most important investment before deploying any agent, and why bad data plus AI just means bad decisions faster and at scale This is for you if: You lead a marketing team of any size and want to see what the "most AI-assisted marketing team in B2B" actually looks like in practice, not in a slide deck You are trying to figure out how to get a large or compliance-sensitive org moving on agents without losing control of what they are doing You want to understand what the GTM engineer role actually looks like day to day and how to find or develop one inside your existing team

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of the B2B Go-To-Market Leaders Podcast, Vijay Damojipurapu sits down with Kady Srinivasan, Chief Marketing Officer at Freshworks, to explore what it really takes to build market share in SaaS, and why finding the right ICP is often the difference between accelerated growth and stalled momentum.Drawing from leadership roles across Dropbox, Klaviyo, Lightspeed, and Freshworks, Kady shares lessons from scaling PLG, inbound, outbound, and hybrid go-to-market motions, while navigating the realities of product-market fit, category expansion, and AI-driven disruption.The conversation dives into the evolution of modern GTM, from defining your initial ICP to expanding into adjacent markets without losing your positioning, and why many companies drift away from the messaging and audience that made them successful in the first place.They dive into:Why GTM is ultimately about building market share through coordinated actions across product, marketing, sales, and customer success.How great products still fail when they're sold to the wrong audience or positioned with the wrong messaging.The concept of ICP+ and how successful companies expand beyond their initial customer base without losing focus.Why many SaaS companies unintentionally drift away from their original positioning as they add products and features.The differences between PLG, inbound, outbound, and enterprise sales motions—and when each makes sense.How pricing, packaging, and expansion strategy influence long-term customer value.Kady's ABCD Framework for positioning: Audience, Benefits, Compelling Reasons to Believe, and Differentiation.Why storytelling frameworks like the Hero's Journey remain powerful tools for modern marketers.How AI is creating a new generation of multi-threaded marketers who can operate across traditional marketing silos.A creative CEO influence strategy that transformed LinkedIn engagement into pipeline and qualified opportunities.Lessons from a major ICP pivot at Lightspeed that helped drive significant market share gains in targeted geographies.Why defining and defending your ICP is one of the most important leadership decisions a company can make.Kady's core message is simple:The companies that win aren't necessarily the ones with the biggest products, they're the ones with the clearest understanding of who they're serving and why.This episode is a practical masterclass on ICP definition, positioning, GTM motion design, and the future of marketing in an AI-powered world.

How do you sell software to an industry where Google Maps and Sales Navigator don't even work?Freddy Galindo built Sprint Suite, a SaaS platform for mining contractors, after watching his family's mining services business get buried in spreadsheets and manila folders. Today he breaks down how to scale a SaaS business in a vertical that doesn't operate like tech at all — including why his team drives around taking photos of companies just to find them.What you'll learn:→ Why Freddy's team prospects by driving around taking photos of companies (no websites, no digital footprint)→ The discovery process that works when your buyer has never used SaaS before→ Why flying SDRs to mine sites changed their entire sales motion→ How AI made development a commodity — and where Freddy is reinvesting instead→ Why "stop managing the process, start managing the business" is the real value proposition→ The hard lesson about saying yes to every opportunity in the early days→ Why being coachable is the one trait Freddy looks for above all else→ What expanding into the Canadian market taught him about adapting a sales motionIf you sell into an industry that doesn't operate like tech — this conversation will change how you think about your go-to-market.

Before working with MEDDICC, Microlise's sales forecast accuracy sat at 25%. Today it's 85%.In this episode, MEDDICC CEO Andy Whyte sits down with Mike Blackburn, CRO at Microlise, to find out what actually changed. Not just the numbers, but the language, the culture, and the mindset that comes with knowing your forecast is real.Mike shares how he went from dismissing MEDDIC when he first encountered it to becoming one of its biggest advocates, and what it took to embed it across a GTM team in a way that actually stuck.You'll learn:✅ Why Mike resisted MEDDIC early in his career and what changed his mind✅ How Microlise used MEDDPICC as a common language across the full GTM team✅ What great deal reviews actually look like vs the ones that are just concealing weaknesses✅ How to identify and test a true Champion✅ What it takes to stand out early in a sales career

A brand's advertising is its identity showing up in public, and it tells you what that brand is about to do next. In this episode of Content Amplified, Karisa Schroeder, who works on GTM strategy at MediaRadar, explains how to use ad intelligence as a window into what brands are actually doing rather than just saying. Karisa walks through reading a competitor's next move from their creative, spend, pricing, partnerships, and sponsorships, and she expands the familiar share of voice and share of spend into share of message: do you own a category, and if not, where is the white space you can claim. She points to Airbnb at the Winter Olympics becoming the official sponsor of feeling at home instead of the official sponsor of lodging, and she frames brand building as a community you create, telling marketers to make it the party people want to be a part of. She closes with where to start: your own first-party data on the channels you already run, then enrichment to fill in the rest of the picture. If you want to turn the ad world into a competitive intelligence feed, tune in.About KarisaKarisa Schroeder works on GTM strategy at MediaRadar, where she focuses on the advertising space. She is in roughly her ninth year in product marketing and has been a marketer for about 15 years. She is well known in location intelligence, where her work centered on segmentation, behaviors, and demographics across the US, and she now applies that lens to advertising. She builds the tools she uses as a marketer every day, and she is a big advocate for connecting with people in the community.Show NotesConnect with Karisa on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karisaschroeder/Text us what you think about this episode!

133 million learners. 100% of the Fortune 100. And the woman steering go-to-market behind those numbers will tell you to stop chasing churn. Monika Saha, CCO of Articulate, doesn't trade in best-practice platitudes. In this episode she takes the sacred cows out back: why "customer education is a cost center" is half-wrong instead of all-wrong, when fighting retention is a flat waste of energy, and why PLG companies are quietly light-years ahead while everyone else optimizes the wrong thing. Host Josh Schachter pokes the bear. Co-host Samantha Murray pushes back. Monika doesn't blink. If you run customer success, education, or GTM and you're tired of being told what you already know, this one's built to make you uncomfortable in the good way.Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com---What You'll Learn- Why "customer education is a cost center" is partly true- How to standardize and modularize content so you stop reinventing the wheel- When improving churn is actually a waste of energy- How to segment a long tail so you invest where returns are real- Why PLG companies dominate in-app and digital motion- A simple QBR exercise to find AI-ready process bottlenecks- How to structure a number across a core product plus early cross-sells---Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com.---Timestamps0:00 - Preview and Meet Mac, Monika's dog1:08 - Meet Sam Murray, Gainsight & Monika Saha, Articulate2:11 - Articulate's Overview4:20 - Monika's remit as Chief Commercial Officer: trial to renewal5:37 - Lessons from her Gainsight CMO days9:00 - Customer education & internal enablement14:53 - Debate: is customer education a cost center?20:30 - Controversial take: when fixing churn is pointless23:43 - Why digital motion is foundational at a PLG company26:56 - Can non-PLG B2B companies experiment like this?28:48 - Embracing efficiency with AI32:30 - Hitting the number: core product vs cross-sell---Where to Find the GuestSamantha Murray: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samantha-murray613/Monika Saha: https://www.linkedin.com/in/monikasaha/---Where to Find Josh:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

AI may change software overnight, but company building still takes time.Ryan Smith explains why, despite the pace of AI, “the race is going to be way longer than anyone thinks.”He reflects on Qualtrics surviving multiple market cycles and ultimately being acquired by SAP for $8 billion days before going public.Guest: Ryan Smith, co-founder QualtricsConnect with Ryan SmithXLinkedInConnect with Joubin:XLinkedInEmail: grit@kleinerperkins.comFollow Grit: LinkedInX​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins

In this today's segment, Dan Sperring, founder and CEO of Align ICP, breaks down a mistake most revenue leaders make when defining their ideal customer profile. The instinct is to chase the highest lifetime value customers, but those segments are often the hardest to win, the slowest to close, and the first to break when the market shifts. This clip focuses on how to balance three critical factors inside your ICP: lifetime value, ease of acquisition, and market health. Dan explains why ignoring any one of these creates pipeline risk, and how leaders can avoid over-rotating into segments that look great on paper but fail in execution. For leaders responsible for predictable growth, this is about making smarter tradeoffs, not just better targeting. Dan Sperring is the founder and CEO of AlignICP, a company focused on helping revenue teams align around high-value customer segments to drive predictable growth. He brings experience across customer success, revenue leadership, and scaling SaaS businesses through product-market and go-to-market alignment. Connect with Dan: AlignICP LinkedIn Books mentioned: The Innovator's Dilemma by Clayton M. Christensen The Innovator's Solution by Clayton M. Christensen and Michael E. Raynor Predictable Revenue by Aaron Ross and ​​Marylou Tyler  Amp It Up by Frank Slootman Tools and podcasts mentioned: clay.com zoominfo.com The Science of Scaling Podcast Listen to the full episode: Aligning Pipeline to Ideal Customer Profile with Dan Sperring Get the Force Management framework for aligning your ICP, sales motion, and customer lifecycle around high-value use cases and measurable business outcomes: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results. This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale. Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

We're back with some hot topics in GTM!This week we discuss something that's been on everyone's mind lately: AI token and credit spend. How do you choose the right tool and model for the job? Do you *really* need AI for that deterministic workflow?Then we test Hubspot's AI SDR Avatar and see how things have changed since the last time we reviewed an AI Avatar. Lastly, we plug a great job opportunity… One right here at CS2!We'll see you there.This week: 00:00 Intro01:27 How to manage AI token/credit spend in GTM20:48 Testing Hubspot's AI SDR avatar39:00 CS2's new job openingHear more from us: Subscribe to us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN-x5u0G03LWmU0Ds_4zR8wSubscribe to our newsletter here: https://www.cs2marketing.com/revenue-growth-architects#subscribe-to-newsletterFollow Crissy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/crveteresaunders/Follow Charlie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliesaunders/

You've been posting. Building followers. Showing up consistently. Then LinkedIn changes the algorithm — and overnight, your reach drops to nothing.In this episode, Dave and Regan expose the uncomfortable truth about building your brand on a platform you don't own — and the real strategy that's still generating booked calls, inbound leads, and pipeline in 2026.What you'll learn:→ Why LinkedIn stripped Dave of his Blue Tick (and what it reveals about the platform)→ The algorithm change killing reach for people with 10K, 25K, even 100K+ followers→ Why building on someone else's platform is the biggest hidden risk in sales→ The "manual connection ritual" generating real inbound without paid ads→ How to train AI to write content that sounds like YOU — not generic slop→ Why your best prospects never like your posts but are still watching and buying→ The one message 99% of reps never send after connecting on LinkedIn→ The Alex Hormozi consistency lesson every salesperson needs to hear→ Why quitting after 2 weeks is the #1 reason LinkedIn never works for youIf you've ever wondered whether LinkedIn is actually worth it — this episode gives you the honest answer.

It's official: Knownwell is now part of 2X, and together we're building the leading human-agentic GTM services company, unifying B2B marketing, sales, and customer success. In this special in-person episode of AI Knowhow, Knownwell CEO David DeWolf and 2X founder Dom Colasante join host Courtney Baker at 2X headquarters to break down the news and what drove the acquisition, including: why software and services are converging into a single category and what humans uniquely own in an agentic world. In this episode: The big news: 2X acquires Knownwell to build the first human-agentic GTM services company The trend permeating the services world: customers buy outcomes, not software or services Go-to-market fragmentation, and why marketing, sales, and customer success must run as one motion The 90/10 retention paradox every revenue leader should know Why all work should have a human in the loop Moving Knownwell's commercial intelligence up the stack into sales and marketing Show Notes: Read today's press release: https://2x.marketing/press-release/2x-acquires-knownwell/ Connect with David DeWolf: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ddewolf/ Connect with Dom Colasante: https://www.linkedin.com/in/domeniccolasante/ Connect with Courtney Baker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/courtbaker/

AI agents are not just changing sales tools. They are changing the job of the seller.In this episode, John sits down with Kris Billmaier, Executive Vice President and General Manager of Agentforce Sales and Growth Products at Salesforce, to talk about Agentforce, headless software, AI-native sales workflows, and what happens when sellers start managing teams of agents.If you are in sales, sales leadership, enablement, or GTM strategy, this episode gives you a practical look at where humans still matter, how agents can support pipeline and qualification, and why AI adoption needs clear use cases, measurement, and training.Want to stay ahead of where sales are heading next? Visit www.jbarrows.com and learn how you can Make It Happen.What You'll LearnWhy product-led growth is moving toward agent-led growthHow Salesforce is thinking about headless software and conversation-first AIWhy AI-first SaaS is not just a front-end feature or branding exerciseHow agents are changing SDR and BDR work at SalesforceWhy successful AI adoption starts with a narrow use case and a real training planWhat sellers need to become as agent teams take on more busy workKris Billmaier is Executive Vice President and General Manager of Agentforce Sales and Growth Products at Salesforce, where he leads the product strategy and vision for Agentforce Sales. With more than 20 years of experience across productivity software, search, and enterprise technology, Kris has launched category-defining products, scaled startups, and is now building a future where agents and sellers work together to grow revenue.Connect with Kris Billmaier:Website: https://www.salesforce.com/ap/Li: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krisbillmaier/John Barrows is a sales trainer, speaker, and founder of JB Sales with over 25 years of experience in the industry. He has made hundreds of cold calls a week, led startups to acquisition, and trained high-performing teams at companies like Salesforce, LinkedIn, Amazon, and Okta. Through JB Sales, John focuses on practical sales execution—helping reps fill pipeline, close deals, and build trust with buyers in today's AI-driven sales environment.Connect with John Barrows:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbarrows/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmbarrows/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@johnmbarrowsCheck out John's Membership: https://go.jbarrows.com/Join John's Newsletter: https://www.jbarrows.com/newsletter

Marketing leaders are being asked to drive more growth with less budget, fewer resources, tighter timelines, and more pressure from every direction while AI is being treated like the shortcut to replace entire marketing teams. But AI will not fix bad strategy, weak alignment, poor customer understanding, or broken marketing fundamentals. In part two of this master class conversation with Matt Hummel, CMO of Pipeline360, the focus moves into what it really takes to become the kind of CMO AI cannot replace. Not by chasing every new tool, adding more MarTech, or hiding behind automation, but by understanding the business as a whole, building trust across departments, speaking the language of revenue, and creating alignment between marketing, sales, product, leadership, and the customer. To lead marketing in a volatile market where expectations keep rising and the old playbook is no longer enough, you need to know how to: • Make sales an ally instead of your bitter rival • Build shared pipeline ownership across marketing and sales  • Communicate risk without becoming defensive • Connect marketing decisions to the larger goals of the business • Set clearer expectations with your team and leadership • Understand resource constraints without using them as excuses • Stay close to customers while leading strategy • Create momentum without pretending there is an easy button The best marketing leaders are not just managing campaigns, tools, reports, and dashboards. They are translating complexity into strategy the business can trust. The reminder is clear: AI will not fix bad strategy. More MarTech will not fix bad marketing. The CMO AI cannot replace is the one who understands the business, earns trust, aligns with sales, leads the team, knows the customer, and gets back to real marketing when everyone else is hiding behind tools. (P.S. If you haven't, listen to Ep. 149 for part one of this masterclass episode) Beyond The Episode Gems: Connect With Matt Hummel on LinkedIn Listen To Troy On Matt's Podcast, Pipeline Brew: The Evolving Role of CMOs & Community Building Visit Pipeline360 website to learn more about how they solve B2B marketers' biggest headaches Buy Troy's Book, Strategize Up: The Blueprint To Scale Your Business StrategizeUpBook.com Discover All Podcasts On The HubSpot Podcast Network Get Free HubSpot Marketing Tools To Help You Grow Your Business Grow Your Business Faster Using HubSpot's CRM Platform Support The Podcast & Connect With Troy:  Rate & Review iDigress: iDigress.fm/Reviews Follow Troy's Socials @FindTroy: LinkedIn, Instagram, Threads, TikTok Subscribe to Troy's YouTube Channel For Strategy Videos & See Masterclass Episodes Need Growth Strategy, A Keynote Speaker, Or Want To Sponsor The Podcast? Go To FindTroy.com  

Brendan Foody is the Founder and CEO @ Mercor, one of the leading data providers to the largest labs on the planet including OpenAI. In the last two years, Brendan has scaled the company to $1.5BN in ARR and a valuation of $10BN.  AGENDA:  True or False: Mercor lost Meta and OpenAI as a customer with the hack? Mercor has been poaching competitor talent, paying them millions?  Mercor revenue is not real revenue and is only GMV? 12:56 Would Brendan sell Mercor for $30 billion?  14:23 Why everyone is wrong that AI will lead to labor displacement? 15:59 We will create many new jobs that do not exist with AI.  16:59 Why training agents will be a massive labor category that does not exist today  19:51 Will we see the data provider market unbundle and specialize into verticals?  22:24 Is the stated revenue really revenue or is it really GMV?  27:55 How a 1 million ARR company secured one of the best investors in the world with a helicopter ride  29:41 How Felicis secured the deal of the decade with a race track and a set of Ferraris  32:59 Which investment round felt like the highest price to grow into?  34:49 Why will value accrue to the infrastructure layer, not the application layer, in the next 12 months?  35:46 Why the model is the product and why application layer companies should be scared as a result  37:22 Why network effects will be the determinant of value creation  38:46 Why the forward-deployed motion, not the GTM motion, will determine true value creation.  41:59 Why token spend within organizations is going to continue to increase  43:54 Why agent evaluation to commoditize the model layer will be a massive business for enterprises?  51:13 Why we should have increased capital gains tax  01:01:31 How to compete with $20 million a year from Meta?  01:08:49 Will Mercor go public and when?  

Great software companies often come from understanding pain points at a very deep level.On Grit, Aman Narang shares how Toast built trust with 171,000+ restaurant operators by helping restaurants manage everything from payments and online orders to staff scheduling and daily operations.He also reflects on lessons around product-market fit and scaling a company before it's fully ready.Guest: Aman Narang, co-founder and CEO, ToastConnect with Aman NarangLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aman-narang-155628/Connect with ToastLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/toast-inc/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toasttab/X: https://x.com/ToastTab?lang=enConnect with Joubin:X: https://x.com/JoubinmirLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/Email: grit@kleinerperkins.comFollow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/company/kpgritFollow on X:https://x.com/KPGrit​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins:https://www.kleinerperkins.com/

Marketing leadership has become one of the most volatile seats in business. CMOs and marketing leaders are often expected to create immediate pipeline, prove instant ROI, fix deeper business issues they did not create, defend brand investment, align sales, understand customers, translate strategy across the organization, and still become one of the first functions questioned, blamed, or cut when growth slows. In part one of this master class conversation, Matt Hummel, CMO of Pipeline360, brings a clear reminder back to the table: great marketing starts with trusting the buyer, knowing the customer, and simplifying how you market. In a market obsessed with performance data, attribution, automation, dark social, buyer signals, and immediate results, more complexity does not automatically create better customer understanding. For aspiring CMOs, current CMOs, marketing leaders, founders, and business owners, this conversation is a valuable look at how to lead marketing without getting trapped in the pressure cooker. It challenges you to rethink what it really means to put the customer at the center, not as a tagline, not as another automation workflow, and not as another dashboard filled with signals, but as a deeper responsibility to understand the person, pressure, timing, risk, and decision behind the purchase. The conversation moves through buyer trust, brand versus demand, customer empathy, attribution, sales alignment, CMO pressure, market timing, and the difference between chasing pipeline and building LTV. It is also a reminder to get out of your lane, understand product, spend time with sales, listen to customers, and learn how the whole business works. Because the best CMOs are not just campaign operators. They are translators, mediators, trust builders, and business leaders who know how to connect marketing to revenue, customer experience, and long term growth. Beyond The Episode Gems: Connect With Matt Hummel on LinkedIn Listen To Troy On Matt's Podcast, Pipeline Brew: The Evolving Role of CMOs & Community Building Visit Pipeline360 website to learn more about how they solve B2B marketers' biggest headaches Buy Troy's Book, Strategize Up: The Blueprint To Scale Your Business StrategizeUpBook.com Discover All Podcasts On The HubSpot Podcast Network Get Free HubSpot Marketing Tools To Help You Grow Your Business Grow Your Business Faster Using HubSpot's CRM Platform Support The Podcast & Connect With Troy:  Rate & Review iDigress: iDigress.fm/Reviews Follow Troy's Socials @FindTroy: LinkedIn, Instagram, Threads, TikTok Subscribe to Troy's YouTube Channel For Strategy Videos & See Masterclass Episodes Need Growth Strategy, A Keynote Speaker, Or Want To Sponsor The Podcast? Go To FindTroy.com