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Panel: Mark Ericksen Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Kamil Lelonek  In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Kamil Lelonek who is a full-stack developer and programmer. Chuck, Mark, and Kamil talk about Elixir, Postgrex, databases, and so much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job!  0:48 – Chuck: Hello! Our panel today is Mark and myself. Friendly reminder to listeners: check out my show the DevRev. Our guest today is Kamil Lelonek! 1:23 – Guest. 1:43 – Chuck: Today, we are talking about databases. 1:55 – Guest. 3:10 – Mark: We have your blog that you wrote in our show notes. Talk about your experience with exploring these features? 3:39 – Chuck. 3:46 – Mark: I didn’t know those features are in Postgrex. Can you talk about your experience and your journey? 4:10 – Guest. 6:17 – Mark: I am curious, what problem were you trying to solve? 6:31 – Guest. 8:12 – Mark: I like you saying: rather than modifying the application code itself, you created a separate application. I think Elixir is a good fit for that – what’s your experience with this? 8:40 – Guest: I agree with this, but let’s think about it in the other way. 9:48 – Mark: Yeah I can see that. It’s good to be aware of the upsides and downsides. It’s an interesting idea. 10:40 – Guest. 11:38 – Chuck: My experience is mostly in Rails. The other way I have solved this problem is “pulling” but this way is more elegant. Before we have talked with Chris McCord about LiveVue. Is there a way to hook this handler up to LiveVue to stream the changes all the way up to the frontend of web application with Phoenix? 12:20 – Guest. 12:55 – Mark talks about Elixir and GenServer. 13:29 – Guest. 13:49 – Mark: Please go and read Kamil’s blog post because it’s simple and it’s written well! Mark: I think Elixir is a great usage for GenServers. 14:28 – Guest. 14:35 – Chuck: You setup a store procedure, which I don’t see a lot of people doing within the communities. How necessary is that store procedure that you’ve created there? 15:00 – Guest. 16:16 – Chuck: What if you want to do targeted notifications? 16:28 – Guest. 17:33 – Mark: I am curious if you have experimented with the practical limitations of this? Like at one point does it start to break down? 18:00 – Guest. 20:00 – Chuck: I will be honest I am kind of lazy. Outside of the general use I don’t go looking for these, but when I hear about them I say: wow! 20:09 – Guest. 20:57 – Chuck. 21:15 – Guest talks about solutions that he’s found. 22:08 – FreshBooks! 23:17 – Mark: What other kind of databases have you had experience with for comparison reasons? 23:40 – Guest. 24:56 – Mark: You talked about defaults and I want to come back to this topic. 25:08 – Mark asks Chuck a question. 25:12 – Chuck: I don’t know. 25:23 – Mark talks about the databases that his work utilizes. 26:45 – Mark and Chuck go back-and-forth. 27:49 – Guest mentions a solution to the before-mentioned problem that Mark gave. 28:47 – Mark: It can get messy. I don’t repose this as a permanent solution, but it allows you do a staged-migration. 29:15 – Chuck: Do you run into problems with Postgrex? Most technologies if you don’t run into problems you aren’t pushing it enough (at least that’s my experience). 29:29 – Guest answers the question. 30:26 – Mark talks about active, active, active. 31:14 – Guest. 33:25 – Mark: In Elixir, we talk about the things that are in the box and one thing that comes up is “mnesia.” Can you talk about this please? 33:47 – Guest talks about mnesia. 35:17 – Mark talks about mnesia some more. Mark: It is an available option (mnesia), but I don’t know if it’s something that people want when they are looking for something more traditional. 37:04 – Guest. 37:30 – Mark: Yeah something people should be aware of. If you are encountering problems it’s good to know the different tools that are out there and available. 38:42 – Mark: One question: What are some of your favorite features of Postgrex? 38:57 – Guest. 41:08 – Mark talks about Postgrex’s features. 42:14 – Guest. 43:10 – Mark: I had a case where Elixir and Erlang and you can convert term to binary and binary to term. I took some data structure and converted it to a binary and using Ecto and tell it: serialize this and when it loads back out it is a native Elixir type. It’s not always the right solution, but in my cases it actually worked. 43:59 – Guest talks about a library that he wrote back-in-the-day. 44:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Nope? Okay – Picks! 44:52 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir Elixir: GenServer GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React “How to use LISTEN and NOTIFY PostgreSQL commands in Elixir?" By Kamil Lelonek Guest’s Medium Blog Postgrex.Notifications Redis.io Event Store PostgreSQL MongoDB Erlang: mnesia GitHub: cachex GitHub: meh / amnesia PostGIS When to use Ecto, when to use Mnesia PostgreSQL Ecto.Type GitHub: Exnumerator YouTube: Entreprogrammers Kamil’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Being professionally proactive! Chuck Get A Coder Job eBook Challenge: Pomodoro Technique Kamil Book: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman My Blog My Site

Panel: Mark Ericksen Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Kamil Lelonek  In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Kamil Lelonek who is a full-stack developer and programmer. Chuck, Mark, and Kamil talk about Elixir, Postgrex, databases, and so much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job!  0:48 – Chuck: Hello! Our panel today is Mark and myself. Friendly reminder to listeners: check out my show the DevRev. Our guest today is Kamil Lelonek! 1:23 – Guest. 1:43 – Chuck: Today, we are talking about databases. 1:55 – Guest. 3:10 – Mark: We have your blog that you wrote in our show notes. Talk about your experience with exploring these features? 3:39 – Chuck. 3:46 – Mark: I didn’t know those features are in Postgrex. Can you talk about your experience and your journey? 4:10 – Guest. 6:17 – Mark: I am curious, what problem were you trying to solve? 6:31 – Guest. 8:12 – Mark: I like you saying: rather than modifying the application code itself, you created a separate application. I think Elixir is a good fit for that – what’s your experience with this? 8:40 – Guest: I agree with this, but let’s think about it in the other way. 9:48 – Mark: Yeah I can see that. It’s good to be aware of the upsides and downsides. It’s an interesting idea. 10:40 – Guest. 11:38 – Chuck: My experience is mostly in Rails. The other way I have solved this problem is “pulling” but this way is more elegant. Before we have talked with Chris McCord about LiveVue. Is there a way to hook this handler up to LiveVue to stream the changes all the way up to the frontend of web application with Phoenix? 12:20 – Guest. 12:55 – Mark talks about Elixir and GenServer. 13:29 – Guest. 13:49 – Mark: Please go and read Kamil’s blog post because it’s simple and it’s written well! Mark: I think Elixir is a great usage for GenServers. 14:28 – Guest. 14:35 – Chuck: You setup a store procedure, which I don’t see a lot of people doing within the communities. How necessary is that store procedure that you’ve created there? 15:00 – Guest. 16:16 – Chuck: What if you want to do targeted notifications? 16:28 – Guest. 17:33 – Mark: I am curious if you have experimented with the practical limitations of this? Like at one point does it start to break down? 18:00 – Guest. 20:00 – Chuck: I will be honest I am kind of lazy. Outside of the general use I don’t go looking for these, but when I hear about them I say: wow! 20:09 – Guest. 20:57 – Chuck. 21:15 – Guest talks about solutions that he’s found. 22:08 – FreshBooks! 23:17 – Mark: What other kind of databases have you had experience with for comparison reasons? 23:40 – Guest. 24:56 – Mark: You talked about defaults and I want to come back to this topic. 25:08 – Mark asks Chuck a question. 25:12 – Chuck: I don’t know. 25:23 – Mark talks about the databases that his work utilizes. 26:45 – Mark and Chuck go back-and-forth. 27:49 – Guest mentions a solution to the before-mentioned problem that Mark gave. 28:47 – Mark: It can get messy. I don’t repose this as a permanent solution, but it allows you do a staged-migration. 29:15 – Chuck: Do you run into problems with Postgrex? Most technologies if you don’t run into problems you aren’t pushing it enough (at least that’s my experience). 29:29 – Guest answers the question. 30:26 – Mark talks about active, active, active. 31:14 – Guest. 33:25 – Mark: In Elixir, we talk about the things that are in the box and one thing that comes up is “mnesia.” Can you talk about this please? 33:47 – Guest talks about mnesia. 35:17 – Mark talks about mnesia some more. Mark: It is an available option (mnesia), but I don’t know if it’s something that people want when they are looking for something more traditional. 37:04 – Guest. 37:30 – Mark: Yeah something people should be aware of. If you are encountering problems it’s good to know the different tools that are out there and available. 38:42 – Mark: One question: What are some of your favorite features of Postgrex? 38:57 – Guest. 41:08 – Mark talks about Postgrex’s features. 42:14 – Guest. 43:10 – Mark: I had a case where Elixir and Erlang and you can convert term to binary and binary to term. I took some data structure and converted it to a binary and using Ecto and tell it: serialize this and when it loads back out it is a native Elixir type. It’s not always the right solution, but in my cases it actually worked. 43:59 – Guest talks about a library that he wrote back-in-the-day. 44:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Nope? Okay – Picks! 44:52 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir Elixir: GenServer GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React “How to use LISTEN and NOTIFY PostgreSQL commands in Elixir?" By Kamil Lelonek Guest’s Medium Blog Postgrex.Notifications Redis.io Event Store PostgreSQL MongoDB Erlang: mnesia GitHub: cachex GitHub: meh / amnesia PostGIS When to use Ecto, when to use Mnesia PostgreSQL Ecto.Type GitHub: Exnumerator YouTube: Entreprogrammers Kamil’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Being professionally proactive! Chuck Get A Coder Job eBook Challenge: Pomodoro Technique Kamil Book: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman My Blog My Site

Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest:  Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit.  36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar

Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest:  Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit.  36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar

Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest:  Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit.  36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar

Panel: Joe Eames John Papa Erik Hatchett Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Miriam Suzanne In this episode, the panel talks with Miriam Suzanne who is an author, performer, musician, designer, and web developer who works with OddBird, Teacup, Gorilla, Grapefruit Lab, and CSS Tricks. She’s the author of Riding SideSaddle and the Post-Obsolete Book, co-author of Jump Start Sass, and creator of the Susy and True Open-Source toolkits. The panel and the guest talk about Fonts! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:53 – Guest: Hello! 1:01 – Guest: I am a designer and a developer and started a business with my brother. We are two college dropouts. 2:00 – Panel: Is that’s why it’s called OddBird? 2:05 – Guest: Started with Vue and have been talking at conferences. 2:31 – Chuck: Chris invited you and he’s not here today – go figure! 2:47 – Panel: You are big in the CSS world. 2:58 – Guest: That’s where I’ve made my name. I made a grid system that was popular at one moment in time. 3:17 – Panel. 3:27 – Panel: Grid Systems are... 3:36 – Guest talks about her grid system and how it looked. 4:20 – Panel. 4:24 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 5:24 – Chuck. 5:27 – Guest: That’s why grid systems came out in the first place b/c layout was such a nightmare. When I built Susy... 6:02 – How much easier is design today on modern browsers compared to ten years ago when you created Susy? 6:14 – Guest: It can look daunting but there are great guides out there! 7:04 – Panel asks a question. 7:11 – Guest: We recommend a stack to our clients. We had been using backbone Marinette for a while and we wanted to start messing with others. Looking at other frameworks. Looking at design, I like that Vue doesn’t hide it from me and I can see what I need. 8:41 – Panel: I love that about Vue. I knew this guy named, Hue. 8:54 – Guest: I have been friends with Sarah Drasner. 9:07 – Panel: Sarah is great she’s on my team. 9:39 – Guest: I had been diving into JavaScript over the summer. I hadn’t done a lot of JS in the past before the summer. I was learning Vanilla JavaScript. 10:21 – Guest: I don’t like how it mixes it all together (in reference to the JSX). 10:44 – Panel mentions Python and other things. Panelist asks a question. 10:54 – Guest: That would be a question for someone who writes that. 11:30 – Panel: I am going to change topics here for a second. Can you talk about your talk? And what is a design system? 11:48 – Guest answers the question. 13:26 – Panel follows-up with another question. 13:35 – Guest talks about component libraries. 15:30 – Chuck: Do people assume that the component that they have has all the accessibility baked-in b/c everything else does – and turns out it doesn’t? 15:48 – Guest answers. Guest: Hopefully it’s marked into the documentation. 16:25 – Panel. 16:36 – Guest: If you don’t document it – it doesn’t exist. 17:01 – Panel. 17:22 – Guest: “How do we sell clients on this?” We don’t – we let them come back and say, “we had to do less upkeep.” If they are following our patterns then... 17:57 – Panel: We’ve had where guides are handed off and it erodes slowly over time. Then people are doing it 10 different ways and not doing it the way it was designed. 18:31 – Guest: Yes, it should be baked-into the design and it shouldn’t be added to the style guide. 19:02 – Chuck: I really love Sass – and CSS – how do you write SASS or CSS with Vue? 19:12 – Guest answers the question. 19:23 – Chuck: You made my life better! 19:31 – Guest: If you have global files...you can have those imported among other things. 20:11 – Panel: What’s the best way to go about that? 20:24 – The guest talks about CSS, global designs, among other things. 21:15 – The guest mentions inverted triangles CSS! 22:12 – Guest: The deeper we get the narrower we get! 22:49 – Guest mentions scope styles. 23:12 – Panel: That makes total sense! We are using scope everywhere. 23:30 – Guest. 23:36 – Panel: How would you approach this? I start with scope and then I take them out of scope and then usually promote them to import for mix-ins. I wonder where is that border? 24:30 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 25:09 – Guest answers the question. 25:53 – Panel: It sounds easy at first but when you are designing it you say: I know that isn’t right! 26:13 – Guest: I try to go through a design proposal. 26:27 – Guest defines the term: reused. 27:04 – Panel. 27:10 – Guest. 27:30 – Panel: We used to have this problem where we got the question of the following: splitting up the CSS bundles. 28:27 – Guest: That is the nice thing of having CSS in components. 28:49 – Panel asks Miriam a question. 29:02 – Guest: That’s often when someone wants a redesign. 29:54 – Panel: How do you decide on how many fonts to deliver so they don’t take over the size of the browser? 30:09 – Guest: The usual design rule is no more than 2-3 fonts works out well for performance. Try to keep that rule in mind, but you have to consider every unique project. What is more important for THAT project? 31:46 – Panel. 32:21 – Guest gives recommendations with fonts and font files. 33:37 – Chuck: What are you working on now with Vue? 33:45 – Guest answers the question. The guest talks about collaborative writing. 34:10 – Miriam continues. 34:55 – Chuck: What was the trickiest part? 35:00 – Guest answers the question. 36:03 – Guest: It’s called Vue Finder and it’s through open source. 36:39 – Chuck: Any recent talks coming up for you? 36:49 – Guest: I have one tonight and later one in California! 37:02 – Guest: There were several Vue conferences this year that I was sad to have missed. 37:40 – Guest: Are you doing it again? 37:49 – Panel: How many do you attend? 37:57 – Guest: Normally I do 8-10 conferences and then a variety of Meetups. 38:33 – Chuck: Picks! How do people find you? 38:41 – Guest: OddBird.net and Twitter! 38:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React JavaScript C# C++ C++ Programming / Memory Management Angular Blazor JavaScript DevChat TV JSX VueConf US 2018 CSS Tricks – By Sarah Drasner Real Talk JavaScript FX Miriam’s Twitter Miriam’s Website OddBird Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Joe Indoor Rock Climbing Getting back into what you enjoy RoboTech History of Robotech Vue.JS In Action John Papa How To Import a SASS file into every Vue Component in an App Real Talk JS Podcast Erik AWS Amplify Doctor Who Charles Dungeons and Dragons Stuff Extreme Ownership Miriam Pose New DND Game - Test Version

Panel: Joe Eames John Papa Erik Hatchett Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Miriam Suzanne In this episode, the panel talks with Miriam Suzanne who is an author, performer, musician, designer, and web developer who works with OddBird, Teacup, Gorilla, Grapefruit Lab, and CSS Tricks. She’s the author of Riding SideSaddle and the Post-Obsolete Book, co-author of Jump Start Sass, and creator of the Susy and True Open-Source toolkits. The panel and the guest talk about Fonts! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:53 – Guest: Hello! 1:01 – Guest: I am a designer and a developer and started a business with my brother. We are two college dropouts. 2:00 – Panel: Is that’s why it’s called OddBird? 2:05 – Guest: Started with Vue and have been talking at conferences. 2:31 – Chuck: Chris invited you and he’s not here today – go figure! 2:47 – Panel: You are big in the CSS world. 2:58 – Guest: That’s where I’ve made my name. I made a grid system that was popular at one moment in time. 3:17 – Panel. 3:27 – Panel: Grid Systems are... 3:36 – Guest talks about her grid system and how it looked. 4:20 – Panel. 4:24 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 5:24 – Chuck. 5:27 – Guest: That’s why grid systems came out in the first place b/c layout was such a nightmare. When I built Susy... 6:02 – How much easier is design today on modern browsers compared to ten years ago when you created Susy? 6:14 – Guest: It can look daunting but there are great guides out there! 7:04 – Panel asks a question. 7:11 – Guest: We recommend a stack to our clients. We had been using backbone Marinette for a while and we wanted to start messing with others. Looking at other frameworks. Looking at design, I like that Vue doesn’t hide it from me and I can see what I need. 8:41 – Panel: I love that about Vue. I knew this guy named, Hue. 8:54 – Guest: I have been friends with Sarah Drasner. 9:07 – Panel: Sarah is great she’s on my team. 9:39 – Guest: I had been diving into JavaScript over the summer. I hadn’t done a lot of JS in the past before the summer. I was learning Vanilla JavaScript. 10:21 – Guest: I don’t like how it mixes it all together (in reference to the JSX). 10:44 – Panel mentions Python and other things. Panelist asks a question. 10:54 – Guest: That would be a question for someone who writes that. 11:30 – Panel: I am going to change topics here for a second. Can you talk about your talk? And what is a design system? 11:48 – Guest answers the question. 13:26 – Panel follows-up with another question. 13:35 – Guest talks about component libraries. 15:30 – Chuck: Do people assume that the component that they have has all the accessibility baked-in b/c everything else does – and turns out it doesn’t? 15:48 – Guest answers. Guest: Hopefully it’s marked into the documentation. 16:25 – Panel. 16:36 – Guest: If you don’t document it – it doesn’t exist. 17:01 – Panel. 17:22 – Guest: “How do we sell clients on this?” We don’t – we let them come back and say, “we had to do less upkeep.” If they are following our patterns then... 17:57 – Panel: We’ve had where guides are handed off and it erodes slowly over time. Then people are doing it 10 different ways and not doing it the way it was designed. 18:31 – Guest: Yes, it should be baked-into the design and it shouldn’t be added to the style guide. 19:02 – Chuck: I really love Sass – and CSS – how do you write SASS or CSS with Vue? 19:12 – Guest answers the question. 19:23 – Chuck: You made my life better! 19:31 – Guest: If you have global files...you can have those imported among other things. 20:11 – Panel: What’s the best way to go about that? 20:24 – The guest talks about CSS, global designs, among other things. 21:15 – The guest mentions inverted triangles CSS! 22:12 – Guest: The deeper we get the narrower we get! 22:49 – Guest mentions scope styles. 23:12 – Panel: That makes total sense! We are using scope everywhere. 23:30 – Guest. 23:36 – Panel: How would you approach this? I start with scope and then I take them out of scope and then usually promote them to import for mix-ins. I wonder where is that border? 24:30 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 25:09 – Guest answers the question. 25:53 – Panel: It sounds easy at first but when you are designing it you say: I know that isn’t right! 26:13 – Guest: I try to go through a design proposal. 26:27 – Guest defines the term: reused. 27:04 – Panel. 27:10 – Guest. 27:30 – Panel: We used to have this problem where we got the question of the following: splitting up the CSS bundles. 28:27 – Guest: That is the nice thing of having CSS in components. 28:49 – Panel asks Miriam a question. 29:02 – Guest: That’s often when someone wants a redesign. 29:54 – Panel: How do you decide on how many fonts to deliver so they don’t take over the size of the browser? 30:09 – Guest: The usual design rule is no more than 2-3 fonts works out well for performance. Try to keep that rule in mind, but you have to consider every unique project. What is more important for THAT project? 31:46 – Panel. 32:21 – Guest gives recommendations with fonts and font files. 33:37 – Chuck: What are you working on now with Vue? 33:45 – Guest answers the question. The guest talks about collaborative writing. 34:10 – Miriam continues. 34:55 – Chuck: What was the trickiest part? 35:00 – Guest answers the question. 36:03 – Guest: It’s called Vue Finder and it’s through open source. 36:39 – Chuck: Any recent talks coming up for you? 36:49 – Guest: I have one tonight and later one in California! 37:02 – Guest: There were several Vue conferences this year that I was sad to have missed. 37:40 – Guest: Are you doing it again? 37:49 – Panel: How many do you attend? 37:57 – Guest: Normally I do 8-10 conferences and then a variety of Meetups. 38:33 – Chuck: Picks! How do people find you? 38:41 – Guest: OddBird.net and Twitter! 38:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React JavaScript C# C++ C++ Programming / Memory Management Angular Blazor JavaScript DevChat TV JSX VueConf US 2018 CSS Tricks – By Sarah Drasner Real Talk JavaScript FX Miriam’s Twitter Miriam’s Website OddBird Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Joe Indoor Rock Climbing Getting back into what you enjoy RoboTech History of Robotech Vue.JS In Action John Papa How To Import a SASS file into every Vue Component in an App Real Talk JS Podcast Erik AWS Amplify Doctor Who Charles Dungeons and Dragons Stuff Extreme Ownership Miriam Pose New DND Game - Test Version

Panel: Mark Ericksen Nathan (Nate) Hopkins Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Sophie DeBenedetto In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Sophie DeBenedetto who is a teacher at the Flatiron School, a software engineer, and creator of Break In. The panelists and Sophie talk about her blog, the Flatiron School, and her background. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job!  0:50 – Chuck: Welcome! Our panel is Mark, Nate, and myself. Our special guest, today, is Sophie! Please introduce yourself! 1:32 – Guest: Hi! I am Sophie and I am an engineer who works at the Flatiron School. We are growing and fast and offer a lot of different courses. We are an international school working with Elixir and Phoenix. 2:10 – Chuck: You gave us multiple topics: Joken and Elixir Packages. Give us please some background there. 2:33 – Guest: I will talk about the problems we were trying to resolve with Joken. The Guest goes into detail about this topic. Sophie mentions Rails, Joken, Guardian, Phoenix, and Erlang-Jose. 4:41 – Guest: We found this nice little library that we needed and that was Joken. Initially, we were trying to hit the nail with a racket and all we needed was a hammer. 6:48 – Guest: I am telling the whole Internet our problem we had, and how we resolved it. That’s why I am here today, because you all found my blog. 9:04 – Panel: There is a lot there! Some terms that you mentioned: JWT is referred to as a JOT – for those listeners who don’t know. Panelist asks question. 9:43 – Guest answers the question. 10:52 – Panel: When I used Joken before I did use it with the HMAC algorithm. You are on the fringe of what is mainstream and you can come across those rough spots. You are doing this service of saying yes I found this problem and I will try to help you with this problem. 11:25 – Guest: It’s an interesting feeling to say we solved this problem and then realizing we were wrong about it. I’m glad that happened because it’s real. As a teacher I saw students being reluctant to blog b/c they didn’t want to be wrong, but that’s how you grow! 12:22 – Chuck: We talked about the JWT and the dots. How is this different than Ruby gems and other things? 12:44 – Guest: I think anyone would have thoughts on this. There’s not a lot of resources, and look into the Ruby community. From the Flatiron School our focus has been Ruby, and we ask our students to contribute. We want to find an answer to any problem we are facing through Ruby and Rails. More or less you will find a solution from somebody through the Internet. Elixir is definitely different from this because it’s a newer framework.  14:26 – Panelist asks about the curriculum through the Flatiron School. 14:48 – Guest answers the question. 16:08 – Panel: We have had Kate Travers from Flatiron Schools on our podcast before. What has your path been? 16:30 – Guest: We graduated at the same time and I went to the educational-side, which I did for a year to about a year and a half. I thought I needed to get my hands dirty, though, to be a better teacher. I went to this company...and I recently rejoined the Flatiron School’s faculty. 17:40 – Panel: That’s great. I was with a company for 3 years, left for 2 years, and then I came back. It’s a testament to not burning bridges. There is value to leaving and going to get new and different experiences. You grow in the process, and that’s what happened for me. I like your path and thanks for sharing your story! 18:50 – Fresh Books! 20:00 – Chuck: Do you have any policies on how students (at Flatiron School) need to contribute? 20:06 – Guest: Not so much HOW but we encourage it. The guest goes into detail and mentions Elixir School (see links below). 21:33 – Panel: That is a good suggestion if a newbie wants to contribute and they are afraid to contribute. You can get involved and your suggestion will be reviewed. 22:10 – Guest: Yes! There is a team member, Matt, and he contributed to the code base. He was new to the Elixir community, and showed his thought-process. Contributing to open source is great because it helps the community, and opens a pathway for great feedback and conversation. 23:30 – Panel: I think that’s a healthy way to look at pole requests. I have worked with folks that don’t view it that way, though. They hold their code a little close to their chest and that’s it. I like the dialogue. 24:00 – Chuck: This stuff isn’t staying still b/c the Elixir community is constantly growing. I cannot recommend highly enough to learn something new. It can be just 20-30 minutes a day. If you aren’t doing that then you will fall behind. 24:57 – Panel: Question for Sophie. How did you get involved with Elixir School? 25:18 – Guest: I am definitely not an expert. It’s a group of people who thought that Elixir should be more accessible. I like it because it’s beginner-friendly. Find something to contribute to b/c there are tons of different levels to find what’s good for you. 27:09 – Panel: Has it be re-skinned/re-themed? 27:15 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. Along with the theme-related they have been putting high priority into different languages. 27:38 – Panelist comments about natural languages and translations. 27:52 – Chuck: Was this a project through the school or something else? 28:06 – Guest: It’s not through the school. 28:36 – Chuck: Any other projects through the school? 28:46 – Guest: Yes, the school has a lab and it’s neat to see it grow! 29:38 – Panel: Have you tried those other technologies before (and they didn’t work) or did you just anticipate it was a problem that you couldn’t solve without the Beam. 30:02 – Guest answers. 32:33 – Panel: That makes sense. You were reaching for Erlang when you were on the Ruby Stack. 32:49 – Guest refers to tooling and Rabbit. 33:00 – Chuck: You mentioned Rabbit – what does your typical stack look like? Are you running Phoenix? Or here is a job so here is Elixir? What is your process like? 33:23 – Guest: A Ruby on Rails app it has all the ups-and-downs and it’s kind of old. As we are growing and partnering with new companies/schools we are updating and seeing a need to grow even more. 34:49 – Panel. 34:54 – Guest: The video that Chris McCord put out! 35:03 – Chuck: Check the show notes’ links! 35:15 – Chuck: Picks! 35:23 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir Elm Atom.io Flutter.io JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Guardian Joken Erlang-Jose Flatiron School Flatiron School's Blog Flatiron Labs Elixir School Elixir School EMx 020 Episode Utah Elixir Meetup Blog: How We Built the Learn IDE in Browser Break_In The Great Code Adventure Rabbit Sophie’s Website Sophie’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Utah Elixir Meetup Nate Racquetball Getting out and doing something Charles repurpose.io Sling TV Fox Sports Sophie Elixir School Learn IDE Blog

Panel: Mark Ericksen Nathan (Nate) Hopkins Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Sophie DeBenedetto In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Sophie DeBenedetto who is a teacher at the Flatiron School, a software engineer, and creator of Break In. The panelists and Sophie talk about her blog, the Flatiron School, and her background. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job!  0:50 – Chuck: Welcome! Our panel is Mark, Nate, and myself. Our special guest, today, is Sophie! Please introduce yourself! 1:32 – Guest: Hi! I am Sophie and I am an engineer who works at the Flatiron School. We are growing and fast and offer a lot of different courses. We are an international school working with Elixir and Phoenix. 2:10 – Chuck: You gave us multiple topics: Joken and Elixir Packages. Give us please some background there. 2:33 – Guest: I will talk about the problems we were trying to resolve with Joken. The Guest goes into detail about this topic. Sophie mentions Rails, Joken, Guardian, Phoenix, and Erlang-Jose. 4:41 – Guest: We found this nice little library that we needed and that was Joken. Initially, we were trying to hit the nail with a racket and all we needed was a hammer. 6:48 – Guest: I am telling the whole Internet our problem we had, and how we resolved it. That’s why I am here today, because you all found my blog. 9:04 – Panel: There is a lot there! Some terms that you mentioned: JWT is referred to as a JOT – for those listeners who don’t know. Panelist asks question. 9:43 – Guest answers the question. 10:52 – Panel: When I used Joken before I did use it with the HMAC algorithm. You are on the fringe of what is mainstream and you can come across those rough spots. You are doing this service of saying yes I found this problem and I will try to help you with this problem. 11:25 – Guest: It’s an interesting feeling to say we solved this problem and then realizing we were wrong about it. I’m glad that happened because it’s real. As a teacher I saw students being reluctant to blog b/c they didn’t want to be wrong, but that’s how you grow! 12:22 – Chuck: We talked about the JWT and the dots. How is this different than Ruby gems and other things? 12:44 – Guest: I think anyone would have thoughts on this. There’s not a lot of resources, and look into the Ruby community. From the Flatiron School our focus has been Ruby, and we ask our students to contribute. We want to find an answer to any problem we are facing through Ruby and Rails. More or less you will find a solution from somebody through the Internet. Elixir is definitely different from this because it’s a newer framework.  14:26 – Panelist asks about the curriculum through the Flatiron School. 14:48 – Guest answers the question. 16:08 – Panel: We have had Kate Travers from Flatiron Schools on our podcast before. What has your path been? 16:30 – Guest: We graduated at the same time and I went to the educational-side, which I did for a year to about a year and a half. I thought I needed to get my hands dirty, though, to be a better teacher. I went to this company...and I recently rejoined the Flatiron School’s faculty. 17:40 – Panel: That’s great. I was with a company for 3 years, left for 2 years, and then I came back. It’s a testament to not burning bridges. There is value to leaving and going to get new and different experiences. You grow in the process, and that’s what happened for me. I like your path and thanks for sharing your story! 18:50 – Fresh Books! 20:00 – Chuck: Do you have any policies on how students (at Flatiron School) need to contribute? 20:06 – Guest: Not so much HOW but we encourage it. The guest goes into detail and mentions Elixir School (see links below). 21:33 – Panel: That is a good suggestion if a newbie wants to contribute and they are afraid to contribute. You can get involved and your suggestion will be reviewed. 22:10 – Guest: Yes! There is a team member, Matt, and he contributed to the code base. He was new to the Elixir community, and showed his thought-process. Contributing to open source is great because it helps the community, and opens a pathway for great feedback and conversation. 23:30 – Panel: I think that’s a healthy way to look at pole requests. I have worked with folks that don’t view it that way, though. They hold their code a little close to their chest and that’s it. I like the dialogue. 24:00 – Chuck: This stuff isn’t staying still b/c the Elixir community is constantly growing. I cannot recommend highly enough to learn something new. It can be just 20-30 minutes a day. If you aren’t doing that then you will fall behind. 24:57 – Panel: Question for Sophie. How did you get involved with Elixir School? 25:18 – Guest: I am definitely not an expert. It’s a group of people who thought that Elixir should be more accessible. I like it because it’s beginner-friendly. Find something to contribute to b/c there are tons of different levels to find what’s good for you. 27:09 – Panel: Has it be re-skinned/re-themed? 27:15 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. Along with the theme-related they have been putting high priority into different languages. 27:38 – Panelist comments about natural languages and translations. 27:52 – Chuck: Was this a project through the school or something else? 28:06 – Guest: It’s not through the school. 28:36 – Chuck: Any other projects through the school? 28:46 – Guest: Yes, the school has a lab and it’s neat to see it grow! 29:38 – Panel: Have you tried those other technologies before (and they didn’t work) or did you just anticipate it was a problem that you couldn’t solve without the Beam. 30:02 – Guest answers. 32:33 – Panel: That makes sense. You were reaching for Erlang when you were on the Ruby Stack. 32:49 – Guest refers to tooling and Rabbit. 33:00 – Chuck: You mentioned Rabbit – what does your typical stack look like? Are you running Phoenix? Or here is a job so here is Elixir? What is your process like? 33:23 – Guest: A Ruby on Rails app it has all the ups-and-downs and it’s kind of old. As we are growing and partnering with new companies/schools we are updating and seeing a need to grow even more. 34:49 – Panel. 34:54 – Guest: The video that Chris McCord put out! 35:03 – Chuck: Check the show notes’ links! 35:15 – Chuck: Picks! 35:23 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Christine Legge This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Christine Legge who is a computer software engineer who works for Google in New York. Previous employment includes Axiom Zen, and Vizzion, Inc. She and Chuck talk about her background, past and current projects, and her future goals. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:07 – Hello! 1:10 – Chuck: You were on Episode 328 in the past. Tell us about yourself! 1:24 – Christine: I started working with Google about 2 weeks ago. In the past I worked in Vancouver, Canada. 2:05 – Chuck: Let’s start with how you got into programming? 2:14 – Christine: When I was in HS I wasn’t interested at all into computers. I wanted to do applied math in Toronto Canada for college. For engineering you have to take an introduction to programming in the 1st year. I had a 4-hour computer science course in the morning and I dreaded it. I dropped out 3 months later b/c I didn’t like the program. Surprisingly, enough, I did like the computer science course. I went back to Vancouver and I said to my parents that I wanted an office job. I went to the YMCA center and wanted to be hired. The man there asked if I had any interest in data entering, and I started working for him. I worked 4 hours a week with him where he taught me C+. I decided to go back to school for it. 5:37 – Chuck: What did you like about it? 5:43 – Christine: I liked the problem solving part of it. I like how you can break things down. The technology doesn’t interest me that much, but I like the problem-solving aspect. The guy wasn’t that up-to-date with the newest technologies either. 6:53 – Chuck: You have a 4-year degree in computer science. 7:05 – Yes that and statistics, too. 7:13 – Chuck: I was going to say “nerd.” How do you go from desktop applications to web apps? 7:25 – Christine: I worked with a company part-time and fulltime depending on the year/season. I didn’t know what web development was but I thought that THAT was computer science. I thought that if I knew how to do web development then I was going to be good to go. This company asked: What do you want to do? And I answered that I wanted to do web development b/c I thought that’s what I was lacking. I basically got thrown into it. I didn’t understand anything at all. It took me to write one line of CSS and it took 4 hours. 10:35 – Why did JavaScript attract you more so than C# or other languages that you’ve used? 10:43 – It’s simpler and you don’t need a lot of setup; from top to bottom. I am working in typescript, I like it even more, but I like how Java is more free to do what you want. I like functional programming in JavaScript. I like the big community for Java, and there are tons of applications for it. I really like how flexible the language is. You can do functional and oriented or you can combine the two. You aren’t constrained. 12:00 – Chuck: You get in, you work through JavaScript, were you only doing backend? 12:14 – Christine: Yep, backend. 13:00 –Chuck: I know you talked at the conference, and what are you most proud of? 13:14 – Christine: To be honest, no. My mentor (Pablo) at the last company – he wrote a book about D3. He started learning and writing the book. To me that I had thought that all these people are experts from the get go. I realized that everyone has to start somewhere to eventually become an expert. I do want to make an impact even outside of my job. I don’t have anything new that I’ve been working on. It’s a goal for me within the next couple of months. 15:30 – Chuck: I understand that. 15:36 – Christine: I haven’t found that balance, yet. When I gave that talk during Developer Week I was moving and stressed out. “I am NEVER doing this again!” It was over and it was very rewarding. People gave good feedback, and I would like to do that again. 16:56 – Chuck: People have different experience with that kind of stuff. People are interested in different things. So you’ve been working on moving and all that stuff right? What would you like to dive back into? 17:32 – Christine: Yes we are using Angular 2 and typescript and a Reactive Library. Angular is interesting to me. I would like to dive into the dependency injection in Angular. I really like typescript. 19:24 – Chuck: Have you looked at resources? 19:39 – Christine: I read the documentation so far. Like for React I just read the documentation but I haven’t found a central source just, yet. Not a single source. The docs are okay to get started but I haven’t found that they were enough. 20:50 – Chuck: This is about your story. I worked through the Tour of Heroes, and that helped me with Angular. It’s in the Angular Documentation. 21:23 – Christine: When you are starting at a new job I want to make sure I’m settled-in. And now I want to start thinking at a high-level of how these things work. I think the cool thing working here is that you can talk to the people who are working on Angular and get some insight that way. 22:27 – Chuck: People are usually very approachable. 22:34 – Christine: Yes, I agree. To be apart of the communities people want you to use their stuff. 22:48 – Chuck: Do you have another talk in mind when you are ready to give your next talk? 22:59 – Christine: Not sure. I have one thing on my list right now and that’s it. 23:42 – Chuck: I haven’t looked at RJX documentation but I think it’s pretty easy to pick-up. Ben who is the main developer RJX joined the team last year. 24:04 – Christine: It’s a lot of promises. When I figure it out that’s how something would work if it were a promise then I can usually get there. 24:25 – Chuck: Yeah. 24:38 – Christine: I kind of want to make connections in the office rather than me trying to do myself. I don’t want to waste time. Working on those connections would be good. 25:20 – Chuck: Let’s do some picks! 25:30 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-Day Trial! Links: React Angular Vue.js JavaScript Ember Elm jQuery Christine Legge’s LinkedIn Christine Legge’s Twitter Christine Legge’s GitHub Sponsors: Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Picks: Charles My Calendar Software – BusyCal and Google Calendar Google Calendar just started appointment slots Christine Podcast: The Pitch Podcast: How I Built This

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Christine Legge This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Christine Legge who is a computer software engineer who works for Google in New York. Previous employment includes Axiom Zen, and Vizzion, Inc. She and Chuck talk about her background, past and current projects, and her future goals. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:07 – Hello! 1:10 – Chuck: You were on Episode 328 in the past. Tell us about yourself! 1:24 – Christine: I started working with Google about 2 weeks ago. In the past I worked in Vancouver, Canada. 2:05 – Chuck: Let’s start with how you got into programming? 2:14 – Christine: When I was in HS I wasn’t interested at all into computers. I wanted to do applied math in Toronto Canada for college. For engineering you have to take an introduction to programming in the 1st year. I had a 4-hour computer science course in the morning and I dreaded it. I dropped out 3 months later b/c I didn’t like the program. Surprisingly, enough, I did like the computer science course. I went back to Vancouver and I said to my parents that I wanted an office job. I went to the YMCA center and wanted to be hired. The man there asked if I had any interest in data entering, and I started working for him. I worked 4 hours a week with him where he taught me C+. I decided to go back to school for it. 5:37 – Chuck: What did you like about it? 5:43 – Christine: I liked the problem solving part of it. I like how you can break things down. The technology doesn’t interest me that much, but I like the problem-solving aspect. The guy wasn’t that up-to-date with the newest technologies either. 6:53 – Chuck: You have a 4-year degree in computer science. 7:05 – Yes that and statistics, too. 7:13 – Chuck: I was going to say “nerd.” How do you go from desktop applications to web apps? 7:25 – Christine: I worked with a company part-time and fulltime depending on the year/season. I didn’t know what web development was but I thought that THAT was computer science. I thought that if I knew how to do web development then I was going to be good to go. This company asked: What do you want to do? And I answered that I wanted to do web development b/c I thought that’s what I was lacking. I basically got thrown into it. I didn’t understand anything at all. It took me to write one line of CSS and it took 4 hours. 10:35 – Why did JavaScript attract you more so than C# or other languages that you’ve used? 10:43 – It’s simpler and you don’t need a lot of setup; from top to bottom. I am working in typescript, I like it even more, but I like how Java is more free to do what you want. I like functional programming in JavaScript. I like the big community for Java, and there are tons of applications for it. I really like how flexible the language is. You can do functional and oriented or you can combine the two. You aren’t constrained. 12:00 – Chuck: You get in, you work through JavaScript, were you only doing backend? 12:14 – Christine: Yep, backend. 13:00 –Chuck: I know you talked at the conference, and what are you most proud of? 13:14 – Christine: To be honest, no. My mentor (Pablo) at the last company – he wrote a book about D3. He started learning and writing the book. To me that I had thought that all these people are experts from the get go. I realized that everyone has to start somewhere to eventually become an expert. I do want to make an impact even outside of my job. I don’t have anything new that I’ve been working on. It’s a goal for me within the next couple of months. 15:30 – Chuck: I understand that. 15:36 – Christine: I haven’t found that balance, yet. When I gave that talk during Developer Week I was moving and stressed out. “I am NEVER doing this again!” It was over and it was very rewarding. People gave good feedback, and I would like to do that again. 16:56 – Chuck: People have different experience with that kind of stuff. People are interested in different things. So you’ve been working on moving and all that stuff right? What would you like to dive back into? 17:32 – Christine: Yes we are using Angular 2 and typescript and a Reactive Library. Angular is interesting to me. I would like to dive into the dependency injection in Angular. I really like typescript. 19:24 – Chuck: Have you looked at resources? 19:39 – Christine: I read the documentation so far. Like for React I just read the documentation but I haven’t found a central source just, yet. Not a single source. The docs are okay to get started but I haven’t found that they were enough. 20:50 – Chuck: This is about your story. I worked through the Tour of Heroes, and that helped me with Angular. It’s in the Angular Documentation. 21:23 – Christine: When you are starting at a new job I want to make sure I’m settled-in. And now I want to start thinking at a high-level of how these things work. I think the cool thing working here is that you can talk to the people who are working on Angular and get some insight that way. 22:27 – Chuck: People are usually very approachable. 22:34 – Christine: Yes, I agree. To be apart of the communities people want you to use their stuff. 22:48 – Chuck: Do you have another talk in mind when you are ready to give your next talk? 22:59 – Christine: Not sure. I have one thing on my list right now and that’s it. 23:42 – Chuck: I haven’t looked at RJX documentation but I think it’s pretty easy to pick-up. Ben who is the main developer RJX joined the team last year. 24:04 – Christine: It’s a lot of promises. When I figure it out that’s how something would work if it were a promise then I can usually get there. 24:25 – Chuck: Yeah. 24:38 – Christine: I kind of want to make connections in the office rather than me trying to do myself. I don’t want to waste time. Working on those connections would be good. 25:20 – Chuck: Let’s do some picks! 25:30 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-Day Trial! Links: React Angular Vue.js JavaScript Ember Elm jQuery Christine Legge’s LinkedIn Christine Legge’s Twitter Christine Legge’s GitHub Sponsors: Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Picks: Charles My Calendar Software – BusyCal and Google Calendar Google Calendar just started appointment slots Christine Podcast: The Pitch Podcast: How I Built This

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Christine Legge This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Christine Legge who is a computer software engineer who works for Google in New York. Previous employment includes Axiom Zen, and Vizzion, Inc. She and Chuck talk about her background, past and current projects, and her future goals. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:07 – Hello! 1:10 – Chuck: You were on Episode 328 in the past. Tell us about yourself! 1:24 – Christine: I started working with Google about 2 weeks ago. In the past I worked in Vancouver, Canada. 2:05 – Chuck: Let’s start with how you got into programming? 2:14 – Christine: When I was in HS I wasn’t interested at all into computers. I wanted to do applied math in Toronto Canada for college. For engineering you have to take an introduction to programming in the 1st year. I had a 4-hour computer science course in the morning and I dreaded it. I dropped out 3 months later b/c I didn’t like the program. Surprisingly, enough, I did like the computer science course. I went back to Vancouver and I said to my parents that I wanted an office job. I went to the YMCA center and wanted to be hired. The man there asked if I had any interest in data entering, and I started working for him. I worked 4 hours a week with him where he taught me C+. I decided to go back to school for it. 5:37 – Chuck: What did you like about it? 5:43 – Christine: I liked the problem solving part of it. I like how you can break things down. The technology doesn’t interest me that much, but I like the problem-solving aspect. The guy wasn’t that up-to-date with the newest technologies either. 6:53 – Chuck: You have a 4-year degree in computer science. 7:05 – Yes that and statistics, too. 7:13 – Chuck: I was going to say “nerd.” How do you go from desktop applications to web apps? 7:25 – Christine: I worked with a company part-time and fulltime depending on the year/season. I didn’t know what web development was but I thought that THAT was computer science. I thought that if I knew how to do web development then I was going to be good to go. This company asked: What do you want to do? And I answered that I wanted to do web development b/c I thought that’s what I was lacking. I basically got thrown into it. I didn’t understand anything at all. It took me to write one line of CSS and it took 4 hours. 10:35 – Why did JavaScript attract you more so than C# or other languages that you’ve used? 10:43 – It’s simpler and you don’t need a lot of setup; from top to bottom. I am working in typescript, I like it even more, but I like how Java is more free to do what you want. I like functional programming in JavaScript. I like the big community for Java, and there are tons of applications for it. I really like how flexible the language is. You can do functional and oriented or you can combine the two. You aren’t constrained. 12:00 – Chuck: You get in, you work through JavaScript, were you only doing backend? 12:14 – Christine: Yep, backend. 13:00 –Chuck: I know you talked at the conference, and what are you most proud of? 13:14 – Christine: To be honest, no. My mentor (Pablo) at the last company – he wrote a book about D3. He started learning and writing the book. To me that I had thought that all these people are experts from the get go. I realized that everyone has to start somewhere to eventually become an expert. I do want to make an impact even outside of my job. I don’t have anything new that I’ve been working on. It’s a goal for me within the next couple of months. 15:30 – Chuck: I understand that. 15:36 – Christine: I haven’t found that balance, yet. When I gave that talk during Developer Week I was moving and stressed out. “I am NEVER doing this again!” It was over and it was very rewarding. People gave good feedback, and I would like to do that again. 16:56 – Chuck: People have different experience with that kind of stuff. People are interested in different things. So you’ve been working on moving and all that stuff right? What would you like to dive back into? 17:32 – Christine: Yes we are using Angular 2 and typescript and a Reactive Library. Angular is interesting to me. I would like to dive into the dependency injection in Angular. I really like typescript. 19:24 – Chuck: Have you looked at resources? 19:39 – Christine: I read the documentation so far. Like for React I just read the documentation but I haven’t found a central source just, yet. Not a single source. The docs are okay to get started but I haven’t found that they were enough. 20:50 – Chuck: This is about your story. I worked through the Tour of Heroes, and that helped me with Angular. It’s in the Angular Documentation. 21:23 – Christine: When you are starting at a new job I want to make sure I’m settled-in. And now I want to start thinking at a high-level of how these things work. I think the cool thing working here is that you can talk to the people who are working on Angular and get some insight that way. 22:27 – Chuck: People are usually very approachable. 22:34 – Christine: Yes, I agree. To be apart of the communities people want you to use their stuff. 22:48 – Chuck: Do you have another talk in mind when you are ready to give your next talk? 22:59 – Christine: Not sure. I have one thing on my list right now and that’s it. 23:42 – Chuck: I haven’t looked at RJX documentation but I think it’s pretty easy to pick-up. Ben who is the main developer RJX joined the team last year. 24:04 – Christine: It’s a lot of promises. When I figure it out that’s how something would work if it were a promise then I can usually get there. 24:25 – Chuck: Yeah. 24:38 – Christine: I kind of want to make connections in the office rather than me trying to do myself. I don’t want to waste time. Working on those connections would be good. 25:20 – Chuck: Let’s do some picks! 25:30 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-Day Trial! Links: React Angular Vue.js JavaScript Ember Elm jQuery Christine Legge’s LinkedIn Christine Legge’s Twitter Christine Legge’s GitHub Sponsors: Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Picks: Charles My Calendar Software – BusyCal and Google Calendar Google Calendar just started appointment slots Christine Podcast: The Pitch Podcast: How I Built This

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Benjamin Hong This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Benjamin Hong who is a Senior UI Developer at Politico where he lives in the Washington, D.C. area. He has worked with other companies including Treehouse, Element 84, and Udacity. Charles and Benjamin talk about his past and current projects, and how it’s different working for the government vs. working for a business. Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:06 – Chuck: Tell us a brief introduction, please. 1:23 – Ben: I am a lead frontend developer at Politico. 1:43 – Chuck: It’s an area that can affect everyone. How did you get into developing? 1:52: Ben: I had everything you can think of to develop at first. 2:10 – Chuck: For me it was a TI90 calculator! 2:18 – Chuck: Was it somebody or something that pushed you towards this area? 2:32 – Ben: I wanted to change something with the theme, Googled it, and it went from there, and the Marquis Tag. 2:51 – Chuck: And the Blink Tag! The goodies. So you got the he HTML book – and what website did you build that was your first big project? 3:07 – Ben: It was fiddling around, but it was fortune cookie universe. 3:20 – Chuck: You will have to recreate it! 3:27 – Ben: I think this was 1993/1995 timeframe. 3:40 – Chuck: Yep, me too same time frame. If you had something move on your website it was so cool. You went to building... 4:02 – Ben: JavaScript was a roadblock for me. There was nobody to correct me. I had a JavaScript book and it was a massive failure. 4:33 – Chuck: You took a break and you came back? 4:40 – Ben: Oh – people will PAY you to do this?! 4:54 – Chuck: Did you go to college? 5:01 – Ben: Yes, I have a Master’s in a different field. I was always a tech junkie. I just wanted to put things together. 5:20 – Chuck: Take us through your journey through JS? 5:30 – Ben: I started off with the jQuery piece of it. I needed Java, and it took me awhile to wrap my head around it at first. Through the trial and process of trying to get into Angular and React, too. 6:19 – Chuck: Did you play with Backbone, Knockout, or Ember? 6:32 – Ben: I did do SOME Ember and some Knockout. Those were my first interactions. 6:49 – Chuck: What got you into the profession? How did you get from your Master’s to being a tech guy? 7:14 – Ben: From the Master’s field I learned a lot about human experience, and anted to breed the two together. Also, consulting and helping to build things, too. 7:44 – Charles: What was the career change like? 7:53 – Ben: I went to the federal government at first around the recession – it was good having a stable job. I was bored, though. While I was working for the government I was trying to get my foot in the door. From there I have been building my way up. 8:30 – Ben: I was working on Medicare.gov and then later... 8:46 – Charles: We won’t use the word “disaster”! What is it like to work for the government? 9:20 – Ben: Yep. The federal government is a different area because they are stake holders. They were about WHO owned the content, and who do we have to talk to get something approved. It was not product oriented like a business. I made my transition to Politico, because I wanted to find solutions and diversify the problems I was having. 10:31 – Chuck: Have you been there from the beginning? 10:39 – Ben answers the question. Ben: They were looking for frontend developers 10:54 – Chuck: You are the lead there now. What was that like with the transition? 11:08 – Ben talks about the beginnings stages of his time with Politico and the current situation. He talks about the different problems, challenges, and etc. 11:36 – Chuck: Do you consider yourself a news organization or? 11:47 – Ben: We have Politico Pro, too. I have been working with this site more so. There are updates about campaign and voting data. People will pay a fee. 12:25 – Chuck: Do they pain themselves as leaning one way or another or nonpartisan? 12:38 – Ben: We are objective and nonpartisan. 12:51 – Chuck: I know, I was hesitant to ask. What’s the mission of the company and into what you do? 13:09 – Ben: The projects get dumped to us and we are about solving the problems. What is the best route for solving it? I had to help pioneer the new framework into the tech staff is one of my roles. 13:48 – Chuck: What’s your tech stack? 13:55 – Ben: JavaScript and Vue.js. We are experimenting with other software, too. 14:16 – Chuck: We should get you talking about Vue on the other show! Are you working at home? 14:32 – Ben answers the question. Ben: One thing I am helping with Meetup. Community outreach is important and I’m apart of that. 15:09 – Chuck: Yep, it’s interesting to see various fields into the tech world. I am not one of those liberal arts majors, I do have a computer science degree. It’s interesting to see the different perspectives. How little it is for someone to be able to dive-in right away. What are you working on? 16:09 – Ben: Meetup population and helping with the work at Politico. 16:27 – Chuck: Reusable components. Are those opensource or only internal? 16:41 – Ben: They are now opensource but we are seeing which portions can be opensource or not. 17:01 – Chuck: Different companies have come out and offered their opensource. Where do they find you? 17:20 – BenCodeZen! They are more than welcome to message me. 17:36 – Chuck: Any advice on newbies to this field? 17:46 – Ben: Attending those meetings and making those connections. 18:18 – Chuck: I have been writing a book on HOW to get a job as a coder. That’s the same advice that I am giving, too. 18:46 – Chuck: Picks! 18:51 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-Day Trial! Links: React Angular Vue.js JavaScript Ember Elm jQuery BenCodeZen Ben’s LinkedIn Ben’s Crunch Base Sponsors: Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Picks: Charles Framework Summit – UT (Ember, Elm, and tons more!) Microsoft Ignite Code Badge Ben Conference in Toronto Conference in Atlanta, GA (Connect Tech) Conference in London – Vue

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Benjamin Hong This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Benjamin Hong who is a Senior UI Developer at Politico where he lives in the Washington, D.C. area. He has worked with other companies including Treehouse, Element 84, and Udacity. Charles and Benjamin talk about his past and current projects, and how it’s different working for the government vs. working for a business. Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:06 – Chuck: Tell us a brief introduction, please. 1:23 – Ben: I am a lead frontend developer at Politico. 1:43 – Chuck: It’s an area that can affect everyone. How did you get into developing? 1:52: Ben: I had everything you can think of to develop at first. 2:10 – Chuck: For me it was a TI90 calculator! 2:18 – Chuck: Was it somebody or something that pushed you towards this area? 2:32 – Ben: I wanted to change something with the theme, Googled it, and it went from there, and the Marquis Tag. 2:51 – Chuck: And the Blink Tag! The goodies. So you got the he HTML book – and what website did you build that was your first big project? 3:07 – Ben: It was fiddling around, but it was fortune cookie universe. 3:20 – Chuck: You will have to recreate it! 3:27 – Ben: I think this was 1993/1995 timeframe. 3:40 – Chuck: Yep, me too same time frame. If you had something move on your website it was so cool. You went to building... 4:02 – Ben: JavaScript was a roadblock for me. There was nobody to correct me. I had a JavaScript book and it was a massive failure. 4:33 – Chuck: You took a break and you came back? 4:40 – Ben: Oh – people will PAY you to do this?! 4:54 – Chuck: Did you go to college? 5:01 – Ben: Yes, I have a Master’s in a different field. I was always a tech junkie. I just wanted to put things together. 5:20 – Chuck: Take us through your journey through JS? 5:30 – Ben: I started off with the jQuery piece of it. I needed Java, and it took me awhile to wrap my head around it at first. Through the trial and process of trying to get into Angular and React, too. 6:19 – Chuck: Did you play with Backbone, Knockout, or Ember? 6:32 – Ben: I did do SOME Ember and some Knockout. Those were my first interactions. 6:49 – Chuck: What got you into the profession? How did you get from your Master’s to being a tech guy? 7:14 – Ben: From the Master’s field I learned a lot about human experience, and anted to breed the two together. Also, consulting and helping to build things, too. 7:44 – Charles: What was the career change like? 7:53 – Ben: I went to the federal government at first around the recession – it was good having a stable job. I was bored, though. While I was working for the government I was trying to get my foot in the door. From there I have been building my way up. 8:30 – Ben: I was working on Medicare.gov and then later... 8:46 – Charles: We won’t use the word “disaster”! What is it like to work for the government? 9:20 – Ben: Yep. The federal government is a different area because they are stake holders. They were about WHO owned the content, and who do we have to talk to get something approved. It was not product oriented like a business. I made my transition to Politico, because I wanted to find solutions and diversify the problems I was having. 10:31 – Chuck: Have you been there from the beginning? 10:39 – Ben answers the question. Ben: They were looking for frontend developers 10:54 – Chuck: You are the lead there now. What was that like with the transition? 11:08 – Ben talks about the beginnings stages of his time with Politico and the current situation. He talks about the different problems, challenges, and etc. 11:36 – Chuck: Do you consider yourself a news organization or? 11:47 – Ben: We have Politico Pro, too. I have been working with this site more so. There are updates about campaign and voting data. People will pay a fee. 12:25 – Chuck: Do they pain themselves as leaning one way or another or nonpartisan? 12:38 – Ben: We are objective and nonpartisan. 12:51 – Chuck: I know, I was hesitant to ask. What’s the mission of the company and into what you do? 13:09 – Ben: The projects get dumped to us and we are about solving the problems. What is the best route for solving it? I had to help pioneer the new framework into the tech staff is one of my roles. 13:48 – Chuck: What’s your tech stack? 13:55 – Ben: JavaScript and Vue.js. We are experimenting with other software, too. 14:16 – Chuck: We should get you talking about Vue on the other show! Are you working at home? 14:32 – Ben answers the question. Ben: One thing I am helping with Meetup. Community outreach is important and I’m apart of that. 15:09 – Chuck: Yep, it’s interesting to see various fields into the tech world. I am not one of those liberal arts majors, I do have a computer science degree. It’s interesting to see the different perspectives. How little it is for someone to be able to dive-in right away. What are you working on? 16:09 – Ben: Meetup population and helping with the work at Politico. 16:27 – Chuck: Reusable components. Are those opensource or only internal? 16:41 – Ben: They are now opensource but we are seeing which portions can be opensource or not. 17:01 – Chuck: Different companies have come out and offered their opensource. Where do they find you? 17:20 – BenCodeZen! They are more than welcome to message me. 17:36 – Chuck: Any advice on newbies to this field? 17:46 – Ben: Attending those meetings and making those connections. 18:18 – Chuck: I have been writing a book on HOW to get a job as a coder. That’s the same advice that I am giving, too. 18:46 – Chuck: Picks! 18:51 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-Day Trial! Links: React Angular Vue.js JavaScript Ember Elm jQuery BenCodeZen Ben’s LinkedIn Ben’s Crunch Base Sponsors: Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Picks: Charles Framework Summit – UT (Ember, Elm, and tons more!) Microsoft Ignite Code Badge Ben Conference in Toronto Conference in Atlanta, GA (Connect Tech) Conference in London – Vue

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Benjamin Hong This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Benjamin Hong who is a Senior UI Developer at Politico where he lives in the Washington, D.C. area. He has worked with other companies including Treehouse, Element 84, and Udacity. Charles and Benjamin talk about his past and current projects, and how it’s different working for the government vs. working for a business. Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:06 – Chuck: Tell us a brief introduction, please. 1:23 – Ben: I am a lead frontend developer at Politico. 1:43 – Chuck: It’s an area that can affect everyone. How did you get into developing? 1:52: Ben: I had everything you can think of to develop at first. 2:10 – Chuck: For me it was a TI90 calculator! 2:18 – Chuck: Was it somebody or something that pushed you towards this area? 2:32 – Ben: I wanted to change something with the theme, Googled it, and it went from there, and the Marquis Tag. 2:51 – Chuck: And the Blink Tag! The goodies. So you got the he HTML book – and what website did you build that was your first big project? 3:07 – Ben: It was fiddling around, but it was fortune cookie universe. 3:20 – Chuck: You will have to recreate it! 3:27 – Ben: I think this was 1993/1995 timeframe. 3:40 – Chuck: Yep, me too same time frame. If you had something move on your website it was so cool. You went to building... 4:02 – Ben: JavaScript was a roadblock for me. There was nobody to correct me. I had a JavaScript book and it was a massive failure. 4:33 – Chuck: You took a break and you came back? 4:40 – Ben: Oh – people will PAY you to do this?! 4:54 – Chuck: Did you go to college? 5:01 – Ben: Yes, I have a Master’s in a different field. I was always a tech junkie. I just wanted to put things together. 5:20 – Chuck: Take us through your journey through JS? 5:30 – Ben: I started off with the jQuery piece of it. I needed Java, and it took me awhile to wrap my head around it at first. Through the trial and process of trying to get into Angular and React, too. 6:19 – Chuck: Did you play with Backbone, Knockout, or Ember? 6:32 – Ben: I did do SOME Ember and some Knockout. Those were my first interactions. 6:49 – Chuck: What got you into the profession? How did you get from your Master’s to being a tech guy? 7:14 – Ben: From the Master’s field I learned a lot about human experience, and anted to breed the two together. Also, consulting and helping to build things, too. 7:44 – Charles: What was the career change like? 7:53 – Ben: I went to the federal government at first around the recession – it was good having a stable job. I was bored, though. While I was working for the government I was trying to get my foot in the door. From there I have been building my way up. 8:30 – Ben: I was working on Medicare.gov and then later... 8:46 – Charles: We won’t use the word “disaster”! What is it like to work for the government? 9:20 – Ben: Yep. The federal government is a different area because they are stake holders. They were about WHO owned the content, and who do we have to talk to get something approved. It was not product oriented like a business. I made my transition to Politico, because I wanted to find solutions and diversify the problems I was having. 10:31 – Chuck: Have you been there from the beginning? 10:39 – Ben answers the question. Ben: They were looking for frontend developers 10:54 – Chuck: You are the lead there now. What was that like with the transition? 11:08 – Ben talks about the beginnings stages of his time with Politico and the current situation. He talks about the different problems, challenges, and etc. 11:36 – Chuck: Do you consider yourself a news organization or? 11:47 – Ben: We have Politico Pro, too. I have been working with this site more so. There are updates about campaign and voting data. People will pay a fee. 12:25 – Chuck: Do they pain themselves as leaning one way or another or nonpartisan? 12:38 – Ben: We are objective and nonpartisan. 12:51 – Chuck: I know, I was hesitant to ask. What’s the mission of the company and into what you do? 13:09 – Ben: The projects get dumped to us and we are about solving the problems. What is the best route for solving it? I had to help pioneer the new framework into the tech staff is one of my roles. 13:48 – Chuck: What’s your tech stack? 13:55 – Ben: JavaScript and Vue.js. We are experimenting with other software, too. 14:16 – Chuck: We should get you talking about Vue on the other show! Are you working at home? 14:32 – Ben answers the question. Ben: One thing I am helping with Meetup. Community outreach is important and I’m apart of that. 15:09 – Chuck: Yep, it’s interesting to see various fields into the tech world. I am not one of those liberal arts majors, I do have a computer science degree. It’s interesting to see the different perspectives. How little it is for someone to be able to dive-in right away. What are you working on? 16:09 – Ben: Meetup population and helping with the work at Politico. 16:27 – Chuck: Reusable components. Are those opensource or only internal? 16:41 – Ben: They are now opensource but we are seeing which portions can be opensource or not. 17:01 – Chuck: Different companies have come out and offered their opensource. Where do they find you? 17:20 – BenCodeZen! They are more than welcome to message me. 17:36 – Chuck: Any advice on newbies to this field? 17:46 – Ben: Attending those meetings and making those connections. 18:18 – Chuck: I have been writing a book on HOW to get a job as a coder. That’s the same advice that I am giving, too. 18:46 – Chuck: Picks! 18:51 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-Day Trial! Links: React Angular Vue.js JavaScript Ember Elm jQuery BenCodeZen Ben’s LinkedIn Ben’s Crunch Base Sponsors: Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Picks: Charles Framework Summit – UT (Ember, Elm, and tons more!) Microsoft Ignite Code Badge Ben Conference in Toronto Conference in Atlanta, GA (Connect Tech) Conference in London – Vue

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Nathan Kontny This week on My Ruby Story, the panel talks with Nathan Kontny who has been in the Ruby community since 2005. He once was a chemical engineer, and then got into programming after a broken ankle incident; after that...the rest is history! Today, Nathan and Chuck talk about Ruby, how to begin a startup company, Rockstar Coders, balancing life, and much more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:05 – Chuck: E365 is the past episode you’ve been featured on. 1:14 – Nathan comments. 1:20 – Chuck. 1:56 – Nathan: Been in the community since 2005. I am a developer and entrepreneur. I do a lot of YouTube and videos nowadays. 2:50 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 2:55 – Guest: It’s weird. I was a chemical engineer in the past. Back in the day 1996 I was learning... My love for it started through an internship. It was kind of a scary place dealing with harmful materials. Make sure you aren’t carrying uranium with you, and wear multiple gas masks at all times. There was an acid leak through someone’s shoulder. I didn’t love it, but something fortunate happened. I broke my ankle in one summer, and when I showed-up they made me go to this trail where I couldn’t be near the chemicals. Well, the director had computer problems and asked him to help with him. I put in code and out came results. In the chemical industry it was/is: “Maybe the chemicals will react to this chemical in this way...?” It was this dopamine rush for me. After that summer, I wanted to do programming. 7:16 – Chuck: Same thing for me. This will manifest and then boom. I had a friend change to computer major – and this led me to the field. 8:45 – Guest: Yeah, I had a different career shown to me and then I had a choice. 9:02 – Chuck: How did you find Ruby? 9:05 – Guest: I got a job but they wouldn’t let me program because I didn’t have enough experience. I had to teach myself. I taught myself Java – 9 CDs back in the day. I stayed up late, and did anything I could to teach myself. I taught myself Java. I got promoted in the business and became a Java developer. After 5 years of that I started doing freelance work. I love Ruby’s language and how simple it was to me. I have flirted with other languages, but I keep coming back to Ruby. 13:00 – Chuck: The same for me, too. Oh, and this makes this so much easier, and it extends so much easier. I have questions about being an entrepreneur. Anyways, you get into Ruby and Rails, you’ve done a bunch of things. What are you proud of and/or interested in with Rails? How do you feel like Rails helps with building things? 14:00 – Guest shares his past projects.  I was proud of just hosting Rails, because there were so many changes back in the day. I have helped with open source contributions back in 2009. There was a security problem and I discovered this. Nothing happened and I just went in and fixed the bug; an infamous contribution. I am proud of my performance work. I made a plug-in for that, etc. Also, work with Highrise. 17:23 – Chuck: Yep, Highrise people will know. I’ve used Highrise in the past. 17:38 – Nathan: Yeah. 17:50 – Chuck and Nathan go back and forth. 17:58 – Chuck: You’ve done all these different things. So for a start-up what advice would you give? People are doing their own thing – what’s your advice on an incubator, or doing it alone or raising capitol? 18:41 – Nathan: I take a middle road approach. You do what makes sense with your business. What works for you? I would do that. It’s hard to pick-on what incubators could be. Ownership is everything – once you don’t own it – you loose that control. Don’t loose your equity. I wanted more control over my box. I would be careful raising money – do that as a last effort. Keep your ownership as far as you can. But if you are up against the wall – then go there. 22:29 – Chuck: Now I have 2 jobs: podcasting and developing this course. I guess my issue is how do you find the balance there between your fulltime job and your new fulltime job? 23:01 – Nathan: Yeah it’s tough. I do, too, now I am building something and trying to balance between that and Rockstar Coders. Clients have meetings and there are fires. There is no magic to it. I thought bunching your days into clusters would help me with focus, but it’s not good for the business. I don’t think the batch thing isn’t working for me. A little bit on, a little bit off. I think MT on Rockstar. Wednesday I take a half-day. Thursday all start-up, etc. It’s just balance. It can’t be lopsided one way or the other. Just living with my girlfriend and now wife was easy, but having a kid in the evening is tricky. I create nice walls that don’t interfere. I don’t know that’s it. 25:55 – Chuck: It sounds like they are completely separate. What I am building affects my people at work. I find the balance hard, too. 26:21 – Nathan: It’s also good to have partners who support you. 27:19 – Chuck: Do you start looking for help with marketing, or...? 27:27 – Nathan: Yeah that’s hard, too. Maybe? Some people aren’t in the US and they might be more affordable. My friend found someone in Europe who is awesome and their fees are cheaper. Their cost of living is cheaper than the U.S. There are talented folks out there. 28:50 – Chuck: Yeah, I had help with a guy from Argentina. I am in Utah and he was an hour ahead. So scheduling was easy. 29:27 – Nathan: I have a hard time giving that up, too. It’s hard to hire someone through startup work. Startup work needs to be done quickly, etc. BUT when things solidify then get help. 30:28 – Chuck: They see it as risky proposition. It seems like the cost is getting better so the risk is there. 30:48 – Nathan: There is tons of stops and goes if I look back into my career. In the moment they feel like failures, but really it was just a stepping-stone. It was just a source for good ideas, and writings, and things to talk at podcasters about, etc. I just feel like short-term they feel risky but in the long-term you can really squeeze out value from it. I am having trouble, right now, finding customers, it could be risky, and there might not be a market for this. But I am learning about x, y, and z. Everything is a stepping-stone for me now. I don’t feel like it’s a failure anymore to me. 32:50 – Chuck: What are you doing now? 32:55 – Guest: Rockstar. 3 / 4 teenagers want to be YouTubers! That’s just crazy and that will keep going. I want to be apart of that. I am making programs so people can make their own videos. That’s what I am fooling around with now. 35:06 – Chuck: Yeah we will have a channel. There is album art. I’m working on it.  I will start recording this week. 35:43 – Nathan: It is hard to get traction there. I don’t know why? Maybe video watchers need quicker transitions to keep interested. 36:12 – Chuck: I could supply some theories but I don’t know. I think with YouTube you actually have to watch it. Podcasts are gaining traction because you can go wherever with it. 36:51 – Nathan: Right now commuting can only be an auditory experience. When we get self-driving cars then videos will take off. 37:14 – Chuck: Picks! 37:19 – Advertisement!  Links: Ruby Elixir Rails Highrise Rockstar Coders Nathan’s Medium Nathan’s Twitter Nathan’s LinkedIn Nathan’s YouTube Past Episode with Nathan – DevChat.TV Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Picks: Charles Board Games: Bubble Talk Shadow Hunters Apples to Apples The Resistance Airbnb Zion National Park Nathan Writing is important. Masterclass! Book: Living with a Seal Book: Living with the Monks Sara Blakely – Spanx

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Nathan Kontny This week on My Ruby Story, the panel talks with Nathan Kontny who has been in the Ruby community since 2005. He once was a chemical engineer, and then got into programming after a broken ankle incident; after that...the rest is history! Today, Nathan and Chuck talk about Ruby, how to begin a startup company, Rockstar Coders, balancing life, and much more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:05 – Chuck: E365 is the past episode you’ve been featured on. 1:14 – Nathan comments. 1:20 – Chuck. 1:56 – Nathan: Been in the community since 2005. I am a developer and entrepreneur. I do a lot of YouTube and videos nowadays. 2:50 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 2:55 – Guest: It’s weird. I was a chemical engineer in the past. Back in the day 1996 I was learning... My love for it started through an internship. It was kind of a scary place dealing with harmful materials. Make sure you aren’t carrying uranium with you, and wear multiple gas masks at all times. There was an acid leak through someone’s shoulder. I didn’t love it, but something fortunate happened. I broke my ankle in one summer, and when I showed-up they made me go to this trail where I couldn’t be near the chemicals. Well, the director had computer problems and asked him to help with him. I put in code and out came results. In the chemical industry it was/is: “Maybe the chemicals will react to this chemical in this way...?” It was this dopamine rush for me. After that summer, I wanted to do programming. 7:16 – Chuck: Same thing for me. This will manifest and then boom. I had a friend change to computer major – and this led me to the field. 8:45 – Guest: Yeah, I had a different career shown to me and then I had a choice. 9:02 – Chuck: How did you find Ruby? 9:05 – Guest: I got a job but they wouldn’t let me program because I didn’t have enough experience. I had to teach myself. I taught myself Java – 9 CDs back in the day. I stayed up late, and did anything I could to teach myself. I taught myself Java. I got promoted in the business and became a Java developer. After 5 years of that I started doing freelance work. I love Ruby’s language and how simple it was to me. I have flirted with other languages, but I keep coming back to Ruby. 13:00 – Chuck: The same for me, too. Oh, and this makes this so much easier, and it extends so much easier. I have questions about being an entrepreneur. Anyways, you get into Ruby and Rails, you’ve done a bunch of things. What are you proud of and/or interested in with Rails? How do you feel like Rails helps with building things? 14:00 – Guest shares his past projects.  I was proud of just hosting Rails, because there were so many changes back in the day. I have helped with open source contributions back in 2009. There was a security problem and I discovered this. Nothing happened and I just went in and fixed the bug; an infamous contribution. I am proud of my performance work. I made a plug-in for that, etc. Also, work with Highrise. 17:23 – Chuck: Yep, Highrise people will know. I’ve used Highrise in the past. 17:38 – Nathan: Yeah. 17:50 – Chuck and Nathan go back and forth. 17:58 – Chuck: You’ve done all these different things. So for a start-up what advice would you give? People are doing their own thing – what’s your advice on an incubator, or doing it alone or raising capitol? 18:41 – Nathan: I take a middle road approach. You do what makes sense with your business. What works for you? I would do that. It’s hard to pick-on what incubators could be. Ownership is everything – once you don’t own it – you loose that control. Don’t loose your equity. I wanted more control over my box. I would be careful raising money – do that as a last effort. Keep your ownership as far as you can. But if you are up against the wall – then go there. 22:29 – Chuck: Now I have 2 jobs: podcasting and developing this course. I guess my issue is how do you find the balance there between your fulltime job and your new fulltime job? 23:01 – Nathan: Yeah it’s tough. I do, too, now I am building something and trying to balance between that and Rockstar Coders. Clients have meetings and there are fires. There is no magic to it. I thought bunching your days into clusters would help me with focus, but it’s not good for the business. I don’t think the batch thing isn’t working for me. A little bit on, a little bit off. I think MT on Rockstar. Wednesday I take a half-day. Thursday all start-up, etc. It’s just balance. It can’t be lopsided one way or the other. Just living with my girlfriend and now wife was easy, but having a kid in the evening is tricky. I create nice walls that don’t interfere. I don’t know that’s it. 25:55 – Chuck: It sounds like they are completely separate. What I am building affects my people at work. I find the balance hard, too. 26:21 – Nathan: It’s also good to have partners who support you. 27:19 – Chuck: Do you start looking for help with marketing, or...? 27:27 – Nathan: Yeah that’s hard, too. Maybe? Some people aren’t in the US and they might be more affordable. My friend found someone in Europe who is awesome and their fees are cheaper. Their cost of living is cheaper than the U.S. There are talented folks out there. 28:50 – Chuck: Yeah, I had help with a guy from Argentina. I am in Utah and he was an hour ahead. So scheduling was easy. 29:27 – Nathan: I have a hard time giving that up, too. It’s hard to hire someone through startup work. Startup work needs to be done quickly, etc. BUT when things solidify then get help. 30:28 – Chuck: They see it as risky proposition. It seems like the cost is getting better so the risk is there. 30:48 – Nathan: There is tons of stops and goes if I look back into my career. In the moment they feel like failures, but really it was just a stepping-stone. It was just a source for good ideas, and writings, and things to talk at podcasters about, etc. I just feel like short-term they feel risky but in the long-term you can really squeeze out value from it. I am having trouble, right now, finding customers, it could be risky, and there might not be a market for this. But I am learning about x, y, and z. Everything is a stepping-stone for me now. I don’t feel like it’s a failure anymore to me. 32:50 – Chuck: What are you doing now? 32:55 – Guest: Rockstar. 3 / 4 teenagers want to be YouTubers! That’s just crazy and that will keep going. I want to be apart of that. I am making programs so people can make their own videos. That’s what I am fooling around with now. 35:06 – Chuck: Yeah we will have a channel. There is album art. I’m working on it.  I will start recording this week. 35:43 – Nathan: It is hard to get traction there. I don’t know why? Maybe video watchers need quicker transitions to keep interested. 36:12 – Chuck: I could supply some theories but I don’t know. I think with YouTube you actually have to watch it. Podcasts are gaining traction because you can go wherever with it. 36:51 – Nathan: Right now commuting can only be an auditory experience. When we get self-driving cars then videos will take off. 37:14 – Chuck: Picks! 37:19 – Advertisement!  Links: Ruby Elixir Rails Highrise Rockstar Coders Nathan’s Medium Nathan’s Twitter Nathan’s LinkedIn Nathan’s YouTube Past Episode with Nathan – DevChat.TV Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Picks: Charles Board Games: Bubble Talk Shadow Hunters Apples to Apples The Resistance Airbnb Zion National Park Nathan Writing is important. Masterclass! Book: Living with a Seal Book: Living with the Monks Sara Blakely – Spanx

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Nathan Kontny This week on My Ruby Story, the panel talks with Nathan Kontny who has been in the Ruby community since 2005. He once was a chemical engineer, and then got into programming after a broken ankle incident; after that...the rest is history! Today, Nathan and Chuck talk about Ruby, how to begin a startup company, Rockstar Coders, balancing life, and much more! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:05 – Chuck: E365 is the past episode you’ve been featured on. 1:14 – Nathan comments. 1:20 – Chuck. 1:56 – Nathan: Been in the community since 2005. I am a developer and entrepreneur. I do a lot of YouTube and videos nowadays. 2:50 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 2:55 – Guest: It’s weird. I was a chemical engineer in the past. Back in the day 1996 I was learning... My love for it started through an internship. It was kind of a scary place dealing with harmful materials. Make sure you aren’t carrying uranium with you, and wear multiple gas masks at all times. There was an acid leak through someone’s shoulder. I didn’t love it, but something fortunate happened. I broke my ankle in one summer, and when I showed-up they made me go to this trail where I couldn’t be near the chemicals. Well, the director had computer problems and asked him to help with him. I put in code and out came results. In the chemical industry it was/is: “Maybe the chemicals will react to this chemical in this way...?” It was this dopamine rush for me. After that summer, I wanted to do programming. 7:16 – Chuck: Same thing for me. This will manifest and then boom. I had a friend change to computer major – and this led me to the field. 8:45 – Guest: Yeah, I had a different career shown to me and then I had a choice. 9:02 – Chuck: How did you find Ruby? 9:05 – Guest: I got a job but they wouldn’t let me program because I didn’t have enough experience. I had to teach myself. I taught myself Java – 9 CDs back in the day. I stayed up late, and did anything I could to teach myself. I taught myself Java. I got promoted in the business and became a Java developer. After 5 years of that I started doing freelance work. I love Ruby’s language and how simple it was to me. I have flirted with other languages, but I keep coming back to Ruby. 13:00 – Chuck: The same for me, too. Oh, and this makes this so much easier, and it extends so much easier. I have questions about being an entrepreneur. Anyways, you get into Ruby and Rails, you’ve done a bunch of things. What are you proud of and/or interested in with Rails? How do you feel like Rails helps with building things? 14:00 – Guest shares his past projects.  I was proud of just hosting Rails, because there were so many changes back in the day. I have helped with open source contributions back in 2009. There was a security problem and I discovered this. Nothing happened and I just went in and fixed the bug; an infamous contribution. I am proud of my performance work. I made a plug-in for that, etc. Also, work with Highrise. 17:23 – Chuck: Yep, Highrise people will know. I’ve used Highrise in the past. 17:38 – Nathan: Yeah. 17:50 – Chuck and Nathan go back and forth. 17:58 – Chuck: You’ve done all these different things. So for a start-up what advice would you give? People are doing their own thing – what’s your advice on an incubator, or doing it alone or raising capitol? 18:41 – Nathan: I take a middle road approach. You do what makes sense with your business. What works for you? I would do that. It’s hard to pick-on what incubators could be. Ownership is everything – once you don’t own it – you loose that control. Don’t loose your equity. I wanted more control over my box. I would be careful raising money – do that as a last effort. Keep your ownership as far as you can. But if you are up against the wall – then go there. 22:29 – Chuck: Now I have 2 jobs: podcasting and developing this course. I guess my issue is how do you find the balance there between your fulltime job and your new fulltime job? 23:01 – Nathan: Yeah it’s tough. I do, too, now I am building something and trying to balance between that and Rockstar Coders. Clients have meetings and there are fires. There is no magic to it. I thought bunching your days into clusters would help me with focus, but it’s not good for the business. I don’t think the batch thing isn’t working for me. A little bit on, a little bit off. I think MT on Rockstar. Wednesday I take a half-day. Thursday all start-up, etc. It’s just balance. It can’t be lopsided one way or the other. Just living with my girlfriend and now wife was easy, but having a kid in the evening is tricky. I create nice walls that don’t interfere. I don’t know that’s it. 25:55 – Chuck: It sounds like they are completely separate. What I am building affects my people at work. I find the balance hard, too. 26:21 – Nathan: It’s also good to have partners who support you. 27:19 – Chuck: Do you start looking for help with marketing, or...? 27:27 – Nathan: Yeah that’s hard, too. Maybe? Some people aren’t in the US and they might be more affordable. My friend found someone in Europe who is awesome and their fees are cheaper. Their cost of living is cheaper than the U.S. There are talented folks out there. 28:50 – Chuck: Yeah, I had help with a guy from Argentina. I am in Utah and he was an hour ahead. So scheduling was easy. 29:27 – Nathan: I have a hard time giving that up, too. It’s hard to hire someone through startup work. Startup work needs to be done quickly, etc. BUT when things solidify then get help. 30:28 – Chuck: They see it as risky proposition. It seems like the cost is getting better so the risk is there. 30:48 – Nathan: There is tons of stops and goes if I look back into my career. In the moment they feel like failures, but really it was just a stepping-stone. It was just a source for good ideas, and writings, and things to talk at podcasters about, etc. I just feel like short-term they feel risky but in the long-term you can really squeeze out value from it. I am having trouble, right now, finding customers, it could be risky, and there might not be a market for this. But I am learning about x, y, and z. Everything is a stepping-stone for me now. I don’t feel like it’s a failure anymore to me. 32:50 – Chuck: What are you doing now? 32:55 – Guest: Rockstar. 3 / 4 teenagers want to be YouTubers! That’s just crazy and that will keep going. I want to be apart of that. I am making programs so people can make their own videos. That’s what I am fooling around with now. 35:06 – Chuck: Yeah we will have a channel. There is album art. I’m working on it.  I will start recording this week. 35:43 – Nathan: It is hard to get traction there. I don’t know why? Maybe video watchers need quicker transitions to keep interested. 36:12 – Chuck: I could supply some theories but I don’t know. I think with YouTube you actually have to watch it. Podcasts are gaining traction because you can go wherever with it. 36:51 – Nathan: Right now commuting can only be an auditory experience. When we get self-driving cars then videos will take off. 37:14 – Chuck: Picks! 37:19 – Advertisement!  Links: Ruby Elixir Rails Highrise Rockstar Coders Nathan’s Medium Nathan’s Twitter Nathan’s LinkedIn Nathan’s YouTube Past Episode with Nathan – DevChat.TV Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Picks: Charles Board Games: Bubble Talk Shadow Hunters Apples to Apples The Resistance Airbnb Zion National Park Nathan Writing is important. Masterclass! Book: Living with a Seal Book: Living with the Monks Sara Blakely – Spanx

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura David Richards Special Guests: Julia Evans In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Julia Evans who is a software engineer at Stripe and lives in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The panel talks with Julia about her tool Ruby Spy among other topics. Check it out! Show Topics: 1:34 – Julia gives her background. 1:52 – Chuck: You’ve been on the show before. Listeners, go check it out! 2:30 – What is Ruby Spy? 2:09 – Julia: I wanted to know WHY my computer was doing what it was doing. I felt that it was my right, so I wrote that program. 3:20 – Julia: This does have these profiling tools in Java. I thought it was unfair that Java had better tools than Ruby. I figured Ruby should have it, too. 3:44 – Chuck talks about tools and Ruby Spy. 4:05 – Julia recommends it. Julia: You had to install the gem in order to use it. 4:30 – Chuck: some people say that it has affected their performance. 4:42 – Julia: Ruby Spy is a separate process. Julia continues this conversation and goes in-depth of what Ruby Spy is, etc. 5:27 – When would you use something like this, and what kind of data would get you back to debug the slow points. 5:43 – Julia: When you run Ruby Spy it will... 6:20 – Chuck: Does it give you method names? 6:25 – Julia: Yes, 20% in this method or... 6:37 – I can see how that would be helpful on certain aspects. Being able to narrow down the 1,000 methods where you cab get your biggest bang for your buck. 7:05 – Julia comments. 7:35 – Chuck: I know people pay for Relic... 7:56 – Chuck: When it tells you which method is taking a long time, will it look at the stack and THIS method is insufficient b/c this other method is insufficient? How does it do that? 8:35 – Julia answers the questions. 8:58 – Chuck: I’d imagine that it could keep anything in memory. Did you have to do a bunch of work where THAT means THAT? 9:20 – Julia answers. Julia: The differences weren’t that big between the different versions. 9:54 – Julia goes through the different ways the versions are different. 11:56 – Panelist asks a question. Is this meant for Ruby Scripts? 12:10 – Julia: It doesn’t care – as long as you are using the Ruby Interpreter. 12:25 – Chuck: Sometimes my performance issues is Ruby, and sometimes it’s the database. For Ruby it will sit there and wait for IO. Is that a blind spot that you will have in Ruby Spy? 12:54 – Julia: Great question. There are 2 ways to do profiling. Julia explains these two ways. 13:54 – Wall Clock Time. 14:04 – Chuck: Your computer has a speed and however long it takes to run one cycle. It is similar, but... 14:26 – I guess as long as it’s relative – I was looking at these graphs you wrote. 14:51 – Julia. 14:56 – Panelist: That has been my issue. Changing context into a profiler... 15:27 – Julia. 15:38 – Chuck: Do you have to run it through something...? 15:49 – Julia. 15:53 – Chuck: Is that the most effective way to look at the data through Ruby Spy? 16:07 – Julia: I twill show you the output as it is profiling. 2 visualizations: flame graph and... 16:45 – Chuck. 16:49 – Julia: It is the only visualization that I know of. 17:00 – Chuck: I don’t know. 17:05 – Julia: You have spent this amount of % to... How much time was spent in this function or that function? I feel that the flame graph is much more helpful than a list of percentages. 17:33 – Chuck: What are you looking at in the flame graph? 17:37 – Guest: Basically what time was spent in that function. You look at what is big, and then you figure out if that is something to optimize or not. You go to the docs and... 18:36 – Jackal. 18:40 – Main problem that I would run into is the information OVERLOAD. Now you have the action controllers and all these other components that aren’t normally visual. Panelist asks a question to Julia. 19:29 – Julia: It does give you everything. If you have a real serious problem often the answer will really jump out at you. What I would say – if something is really slow it is right there. 20:08 – Chuck: You will see the name of the method? 20:15 – Chuck: Any other information it will give you? 20:22 – Julia: The line number. 20:28 – Chuck asks another question. 20:41 – Chuck: Success stories? 20:45 – Julia: Yes, I do. GitHub – success stories. Julia gives us one of her success stories. This user said that it helped them by 30%. 21:28 – I can’t imagine using a Rail app that is over 10 years old. So much as changed! A lot of the documentation would be harder to find. 22:00 – Julia gives another example of a success story. 22:10 – When it goes to production – my brain turns off and get jittery. Figure out what happens in production and I wouldn’t want to guess for an app that couldn’t be down. This is what is happening right here and right now. 22:46 – Chuck: How do they get it out into production... 22:57 – Julia: Through GitHub that you can download. If you are on a Mac and your developing you can do it through Home Brew. 23:17 – Chuck and Julia go back and forth. 23:27 – Panelist: You don’t need to have it all the time, but a good tool. 23:44 – Julia: I want people to use it but not all the time; only when they need it. 23:58 – Panelist: I think on a lot of these scripts... Rails Panel – Panelist mentions this. 25:02 – Panelist asks her a question. 25:12 – Pie Spy is something else that someone wrote. 25:28 – Julia: Ruby Spy came first, and Pie Spy is inspired Ruby Spy. He did a good job building that. 25:50 – Advertisement – Code Badges 26:35 – People still use PHP? 26:42 – Julia: Yep! 26:47 – Chuck talks about his neighbor and how he raves about this feature or that feature. 27:07 – In PHP’s defense it has come a long way. I think they are at version 7 or version 8. Sounds like they did a lot of new things with the language. 27:31 – Julia: Instead of that or this language is better – what TOOLS can we use? I hear Ruby users make fun of Java, but Java has great tools. What can we learn from that language rather than bashing the other languages? 28:13 – Chuck chimes-in. Dot.net. 28:58 – Chuck: Let’s talk about that with the opensource. 29:09 – Julia talks about the opensource project. 30:30 – Julia: I asked my manager at Stripe to do this sabbatical in advance. I worked on it for 3 months. I got a check from Segment. 31:05 – Panelist adds in his comments and asks a question. 31:26 – Julia never used it. 31:32 – I have done a lot with Ruby Motion in the past. I am curious how that would work with Ruby Spy? 32:18 – IOS is pretty locked down, so I don’t think that would fly. 32:36 – Chuck talks about Ruby Motion and how he thinks Ruby Spy would / wouldn’t fit. 32:56 – What is funny about that, Chuck, is that you can ALT click... 34:07 – Chuck mentions another app. 34:17 – Julia. 34:40 – Chuck. 35:03 – Chuck: What else are you doing with Ruby Spy that is new? 35:05 – Julia: Not much. It’s fun to see people come in to make contributions. 35:33 – Panelist: Here is a suggestion, some kind of web server that you could... 35:57 – Great idea. 36:04 – Chuck: It wouldn’t be hard to embed it. 36:12 – Julia: Sharing it between...so we don’t have to build the same thing twice. 36:33 – Chuck and Julia go back-and-forth about Ruby Spy and Pie Spy, 37:23 – Julia: Pearl was my first language, and I still love it. 37:32 – Chuck: I guess I can’t knock it because I really haven’t tried it. 37:48 – Ruby was inspired by Pearl so there’s that. 37:57 – Chuck: How do people start using your tool? What is your advice? 38:01 – Julia: Yeah just try it and see. Install it through Home Brew if you have a Mac. 38:25 – Chuck: Picks! 38:32 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job. 39:07 – Picks! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails StackProf – GitHub Ruby Spy Rails_Panel – GitHub Julia Evans’ Twitter Julia Evans’ Blog Julia Evans’ GitHub Julia Evans’ LinkedIn Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Vise Deep Freeze Charles Elixir in Phoenix Vue JS Views on Vue Side Projects Doc McStuffins Headphones David Ed Lahey Julia Growing a Business Notability App

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura David Richards Special Guests: Julia Evans In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Julia Evans who is a software engineer at Stripe and lives in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The panel talks with Julia about her tool Ruby Spy among other topics. Check it out! Show Topics: 1:34 – Julia gives her background. 1:52 – Chuck: You’ve been on the show before. Listeners, go check it out! 2:30 – What is Ruby Spy? 2:09 – Julia: I wanted to know WHY my computer was doing what it was doing. I felt that it was my right, so I wrote that program. 3:20 – Julia: This does have these profiling tools in Java. I thought it was unfair that Java had better tools than Ruby. I figured Ruby should have it, too. 3:44 – Chuck talks about tools and Ruby Spy. 4:05 – Julia recommends it. Julia: You had to install the gem in order to use it. 4:30 – Chuck: some people say that it has affected their performance. 4:42 – Julia: Ruby Spy is a separate process. Julia continues this conversation and goes in-depth of what Ruby Spy is, etc. 5:27 – When would you use something like this, and what kind of data would get you back to debug the slow points. 5:43 – Julia: When you run Ruby Spy it will... 6:20 – Chuck: Does it give you method names? 6:25 – Julia: Yes, 20% in this method or... 6:37 – I can see how that would be helpful on certain aspects. Being able to narrow down the 1,000 methods where you cab get your biggest bang for your buck. 7:05 – Julia comments. 7:35 – Chuck: I know people pay for Relic... 7:56 – Chuck: When it tells you which method is taking a long time, will it look at the stack and THIS method is insufficient b/c this other method is insufficient? How does it do that? 8:35 – Julia answers the questions. 8:58 – Chuck: I’d imagine that it could keep anything in memory. Did you have to do a bunch of work where THAT means THAT? 9:20 – Julia answers. Julia: The differences weren’t that big between the different versions. 9:54 – Julia goes through the different ways the versions are different. 11:56 – Panelist asks a question. Is this meant for Ruby Scripts? 12:10 – Julia: It doesn’t care – as long as you are using the Ruby Interpreter. 12:25 – Chuck: Sometimes my performance issues is Ruby, and sometimes it’s the database. For Ruby it will sit there and wait for IO. Is that a blind spot that you will have in Ruby Spy? 12:54 – Julia: Great question. There are 2 ways to do profiling. Julia explains these two ways. 13:54 – Wall Clock Time. 14:04 – Chuck: Your computer has a speed and however long it takes to run one cycle. It is similar, but... 14:26 – I guess as long as it’s relative – I was looking at these graphs you wrote. 14:51 – Julia. 14:56 – Panelist: That has been my issue. Changing context into a profiler... 15:27 – Julia. 15:38 – Chuck: Do you have to run it through something...? 15:49 – Julia. 15:53 – Chuck: Is that the most effective way to look at the data through Ruby Spy? 16:07 – Julia: I twill show you the output as it is profiling. 2 visualizations: flame graph and... 16:45 – Chuck. 16:49 – Julia: It is the only visualization that I know of. 17:00 – Chuck: I don’t know. 17:05 – Julia: You have spent this amount of % to... How much time was spent in this function or that function? I feel that the flame graph is much more helpful than a list of percentages. 17:33 – Chuck: What are you looking at in the flame graph? 17:37 – Guest: Basically what time was spent in that function. You look at what is big, and then you figure out if that is something to optimize or not. You go to the docs and... 18:36 – Jackal. 18:40 – Main problem that I would run into is the information OVERLOAD. Now you have the action controllers and all these other components that aren’t normally visual. Panelist asks a question to Julia. 19:29 – Julia: It does give you everything. If you have a real serious problem often the answer will really jump out at you. What I would say – if something is really slow it is right there. 20:08 – Chuck: You will see the name of the method? 20:15 – Chuck: Any other information it will give you? 20:22 – Julia: The line number. 20:28 – Chuck asks another question. 20:41 – Chuck: Success stories? 20:45 – Julia: Yes, I do. GitHub – success stories. Julia gives us one of her success stories. This user said that it helped them by 30%. 21:28 – I can’t imagine using a Rail app that is over 10 years old. So much as changed! A lot of the documentation would be harder to find. 22:00 – Julia gives another example of a success story. 22:10 – When it goes to production – my brain turns off and get jittery. Figure out what happens in production and I wouldn’t want to guess for an app that couldn’t be down. This is what is happening right here and right now. 22:46 – Chuck: How do they get it out into production... 22:57 – Julia: Through GitHub that you can download. If you are on a Mac and your developing you can do it through Home Brew. 23:17 – Chuck and Julia go back and forth. 23:27 – Panelist: You don’t need to have it all the time, but a good tool. 23:44 – Julia: I want people to use it but not all the time; only when they need it. 23:58 – Panelist: I think on a lot of these scripts... Rails Panel – Panelist mentions this. 25:02 – Panelist asks her a question. 25:12 – Pie Spy is something else that someone wrote. 25:28 – Julia: Ruby Spy came first, and Pie Spy is inspired Ruby Spy. He did a good job building that. 25:50 – Advertisement – Code Badges 26:35 – People still use PHP? 26:42 – Julia: Yep! 26:47 – Chuck talks about his neighbor and how he raves about this feature or that feature. 27:07 – In PHP’s defense it has come a long way. I think they are at version 7 or version 8. Sounds like they did a lot of new things with the language. 27:31 – Julia: Instead of that or this language is better – what TOOLS can we use? I hear Ruby users make fun of Java, but Java has great tools. What can we learn from that language rather than bashing the other languages? 28:13 – Chuck chimes-in. Dot.net. 28:58 – Chuck: Let’s talk about that with the opensource. 29:09 – Julia talks about the opensource project. 30:30 – Julia: I asked my manager at Stripe to do this sabbatical in advance. I worked on it for 3 months. I got a check from Segment. 31:05 – Panelist adds in his comments and asks a question. 31:26 – Julia never used it. 31:32 – I have done a lot with Ruby Motion in the past. I am curious how that would work with Ruby Spy? 32:18 – IOS is pretty locked down, so I don’t think that would fly. 32:36 – Chuck talks about Ruby Motion and how he thinks Ruby Spy would / wouldn’t fit. 32:56 – What is funny about that, Chuck, is that you can ALT click... 34:07 – Chuck mentions another app. 34:17 – Julia. 34:40 – Chuck. 35:03 – Chuck: What else are you doing with Ruby Spy that is new? 35:05 – Julia: Not much. It’s fun to see people come in to make contributions. 35:33 – Panelist: Here is a suggestion, some kind of web server that you could... 35:57 – Great idea. 36:04 – Chuck: It wouldn’t be hard to embed it. 36:12 – Julia: Sharing it between...so we don’t have to build the same thing twice. 36:33 – Chuck and Julia go back-and-forth about Ruby Spy and Pie Spy, 37:23 – Julia: Pearl was my first language, and I still love it. 37:32 – Chuck: I guess I can’t knock it because I really haven’t tried it. 37:48 – Ruby was inspired by Pearl so there’s that. 37:57 – Chuck: How do people start using your tool? What is your advice? 38:01 – Julia: Yeah just try it and see. Install it through Home Brew if you have a Mac. 38:25 – Chuck: Picks! 38:32 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job. 39:07 – Picks! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails StackProf – GitHub Ruby Spy Rails_Panel – GitHub Julia Evans’ Twitter Julia Evans’ Blog Julia Evans’ GitHub Julia Evans’ LinkedIn Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Vise Deep Freeze Charles Elixir in Phoenix Vue JS Views on Vue Side Projects Doc McStuffins Headphones David Ed Lahey Julia Growing a Business Notability App

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura David Richards Special Guests: Julia Evans In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Julia Evans who is a software engineer at Stripe and lives in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The panel talks with Julia about her tool Ruby Spy among other topics. Check it out! Show Topics: 1:34 – Julia gives her background. 1:52 – Chuck: You’ve been on the show before. Listeners, go check it out! 2:30 – What is Ruby Spy? 2:09 – Julia: I wanted to know WHY my computer was doing what it was doing. I felt that it was my right, so I wrote that program. 3:20 – Julia: This does have these profiling tools in Java. I thought it was unfair that Java had better tools than Ruby. I figured Ruby should have it, too. 3:44 – Chuck talks about tools and Ruby Spy. 4:05 – Julia recommends it. Julia: You had to install the gem in order to use it. 4:30 – Chuck: some people say that it has affected their performance. 4:42 – Julia: Ruby Spy is a separate process. Julia continues this conversation and goes in-depth of what Ruby Spy is, etc. 5:27 – When would you use something like this, and what kind of data would get you back to debug the slow points. 5:43 – Julia: When you run Ruby Spy it will... 6:20 – Chuck: Does it give you method names? 6:25 – Julia: Yes, 20% in this method or... 6:37 – I can see how that would be helpful on certain aspects. Being able to narrow down the 1,000 methods where you cab get your biggest bang for your buck. 7:05 – Julia comments. 7:35 – Chuck: I know people pay for Relic... 7:56 – Chuck: When it tells you which method is taking a long time, will it look at the stack and THIS method is insufficient b/c this other method is insufficient? How does it do that? 8:35 – Julia answers the questions. 8:58 – Chuck: I’d imagine that it could keep anything in memory. Did you have to do a bunch of work where THAT means THAT? 9:20 – Julia answers. Julia: The differences weren’t that big between the different versions. 9:54 – Julia goes through the different ways the versions are different. 11:56 – Panelist asks a question. Is this meant for Ruby Scripts? 12:10 – Julia: It doesn’t care – as long as you are using the Ruby Interpreter. 12:25 – Chuck: Sometimes my performance issues is Ruby, and sometimes it’s the database. For Ruby it will sit there and wait for IO. Is that a blind spot that you will have in Ruby Spy? 12:54 – Julia: Great question. There are 2 ways to do profiling. Julia explains these two ways. 13:54 – Wall Clock Time. 14:04 – Chuck: Your computer has a speed and however long it takes to run one cycle. It is similar, but... 14:26 – I guess as long as it’s relative – I was looking at these graphs you wrote. 14:51 – Julia. 14:56 – Panelist: That has been my issue. Changing context into a profiler... 15:27 – Julia. 15:38 – Chuck: Do you have to run it through something...? 15:49 – Julia. 15:53 – Chuck: Is that the most effective way to look at the data through Ruby Spy? 16:07 – Julia: I twill show you the output as it is profiling. 2 visualizations: flame graph and... 16:45 – Chuck. 16:49 – Julia: It is the only visualization that I know of. 17:00 – Chuck: I don’t know. 17:05 – Julia: You have spent this amount of % to... How much time was spent in this function or that function? I feel that the flame graph is much more helpful than a list of percentages. 17:33 – Chuck: What are you looking at in the flame graph? 17:37 – Guest: Basically what time was spent in that function. You look at what is big, and then you figure out if that is something to optimize or not. You go to the docs and... 18:36 – Jackal. 18:40 – Main problem that I would run into is the information OVERLOAD. Now you have the action controllers and all these other components that aren’t normally visual. Panelist asks a question to Julia. 19:29 – Julia: It does give you everything. If you have a real serious problem often the answer will really jump out at you. What I would say – if something is really slow it is right there. 20:08 – Chuck: You will see the name of the method? 20:15 – Chuck: Any other information it will give you? 20:22 – Julia: The line number. 20:28 – Chuck asks another question. 20:41 – Chuck: Success stories? 20:45 – Julia: Yes, I do. GitHub – success stories. Julia gives us one of her success stories. This user said that it helped them by 30%. 21:28 – I can’t imagine using a Rail app that is over 10 years old. So much as changed! A lot of the documentation would be harder to find. 22:00 – Julia gives another example of a success story. 22:10 – When it goes to production – my brain turns off and get jittery. Figure out what happens in production and I wouldn’t want to guess for an app that couldn’t be down. This is what is happening right here and right now. 22:46 – Chuck: How do they get it out into production... 22:57 – Julia: Through GitHub that you can download. If you are on a Mac and your developing you can do it through Home Brew. 23:17 – Chuck and Julia go back and forth. 23:27 – Panelist: You don’t need to have it all the time, but a good tool. 23:44 – Julia: I want people to use it but not all the time; only when they need it. 23:58 – Panelist: I think on a lot of these scripts... Rails Panel – Panelist mentions this. 25:02 – Panelist asks her a question. 25:12 – Pie Spy is something else that someone wrote. 25:28 – Julia: Ruby Spy came first, and Pie Spy is inspired Ruby Spy. He did a good job building that. 25:50 – Advertisement – Code Badges 26:35 – People still use PHP? 26:42 – Julia: Yep! 26:47 – Chuck talks about his neighbor and how he raves about this feature or that feature. 27:07 – In PHP’s defense it has come a long way. I think they are at version 7 or version 8. Sounds like they did a lot of new things with the language. 27:31 – Julia: Instead of that or this language is better – what TOOLS can we use? I hear Ruby users make fun of Java, but Java has great tools. What can we learn from that language rather than bashing the other languages? 28:13 – Chuck chimes-in. Dot.net. 28:58 – Chuck: Let’s talk about that with the opensource. 29:09 – Julia talks about the opensource project. 30:30 – Julia: I asked my manager at Stripe to do this sabbatical in advance. I worked on it for 3 months. I got a check from Segment. 31:05 – Panelist adds in his comments and asks a question. 31:26 – Julia never used it. 31:32 – I have done a lot with Ruby Motion in the past. I am curious how that would work with Ruby Spy? 32:18 – IOS is pretty locked down, so I don’t think that would fly. 32:36 – Chuck talks about Ruby Motion and how he thinks Ruby Spy would / wouldn’t fit. 32:56 – What is funny about that, Chuck, is that you can ALT click... 34:07 – Chuck mentions another app. 34:17 – Julia. 34:40 – Chuck. 35:03 – Chuck: What else are you doing with Ruby Spy that is new? 35:05 – Julia: Not much. It’s fun to see people come in to make contributions. 35:33 – Panelist: Here is a suggestion, some kind of web server that you could... 35:57 – Great idea. 36:04 – Chuck: It wouldn’t be hard to embed it. 36:12 – Julia: Sharing it between...so we don’t have to build the same thing twice. 36:33 – Chuck and Julia go back-and-forth about Ruby Spy and Pie Spy, 37:23 – Julia: Pearl was my first language, and I still love it. 37:32 – Chuck: I guess I can’t knock it because I really haven’t tried it. 37:48 – Ruby was inspired by Pearl so there’s that. 37:57 – Chuck: How do people start using your tool? What is your advice? 38:01 – Julia: Yeah just try it and see. Install it through Home Brew if you have a Mac. 38:25 – Chuck: Picks! 38:32 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job. 39:07 – Picks! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails StackProf – GitHub Ruby Spy Rails_Panel – GitHub Julia Evans’ Twitter Julia Evans’ Blog Julia Evans’ GitHub Julia Evans’ LinkedIn Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Dave Vise Deep Freeze Charles Elixir in Phoenix Vue JS Views on Vue Side Projects Doc McStuffins Headphones David Ed Lahey Julia Growing a Business Notability App

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Dr. Neil Brown This week on My Ruby Story, Charles talks with Dr. Neil Brown who is a researcher. He helps people teach “how to program” more effectively and efficiently. Check out his social media pages and his research via the web. Chuck and Neil talk about his research among other topics. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:52 – Chuck: We are talking with Neil Brown. 1:05 – Chuck: I’ve always wanted to go to London! Let’s dive in and talk about you and how you got into all of this stuff. 1:40 – Neil: I was in primary/elementary school and sometime there I went to my dad and I asked him how are these games made? He gave me a book. 3:12 – Chuck: What are some things that you are researching? 3:24 – Neil answers the question. 5:24 – Chuck: How do you know what to look into and how do you test your hypotheses? There is some science there. 5:45 – Neil: We have a large data collection. 6:07 – Chuck: You have your own ideas linked to Java? 6:15 – Neil: Yep. 6:20 – Chuck: Do people know that they are test subjects? 6:31 – Neil: Oh yeah. 6:39 – Chuck comments. 6:45 – Chuck: What do programmers see? 6:55 – Neil: It is interesting to see the code that they are writing. You are not sure what they are trying to do. Programming is a very frustrating experience for most people. I want to reach back in time and tell them that the problem is there. You watch people do it and they kind of in the right area, and then they go somewhere else. It’s frustrating for beginners. 8:06 – Chuck: How long have you been doing the research? 8:05 – Neil: Five Years. 8:22 – Chuck: How would I get into something like that? 8:32 – Neil answers the question. 9:35 – Chuck: What are you most proud of? 9:42 – Neil answers the question. 11:34 – How do you communicate that to people in the “real world” in a professional setting? 11:45 – Neil answers the question. Neil: Be careful of your own expectations. 12:32 – Chuck: What are you doing now? 12:35 – Neil answers the question. 12:58 – Neil: Research is focused on the “new.” Making something “new.” We are doing essential work, but work that doesn’t get a lot of recognition. 13:37 – Chuck: That’s interesting. What else should we dive into? I would love to have you back. 13:57 – Chuck: Any advice for someone who wants to get into this area? 14:00 – Neil: Study and get a Ph.D. to help you with research. 14:40 – Chuck: There are a lot of universities who do this type of research? 14:52 – Neil answers the question. 15:35 – Picks! 15:41 – Advertisement Links: Ruby Elixir Dr. Neil Brown – Podcast Dr. Neil Brown – Article Dr. Neil Brown – Twitter Tips for Teaching Programming with Dr. Neil Brown BlueJ Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Picks: Charles Audible If you are exhausted / depressed / down...go and take some time for yourself! Having a side project Book: Crucial Conversations Neil Michael Lewis – Flash Boys

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Dr. Neil Brown This week on My Ruby Story, Charles talks with Dr. Neil Brown who is a researcher. He helps people teach “how to program” more effectively and efficiently. Check out his social media pages and his research via the web. Chuck and Neil talk about his research among other topics. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:52 – Chuck: We are talking with Neil Brown. 1:05 – Chuck: I’ve always wanted to go to London! Let’s dive in and talk about you and how you got into all of this stuff. 1:40 – Neil: I was in primary/elementary school and sometime there I went to my dad and I asked him how are these games made? He gave me a book. 3:12 – Chuck: What are some things that you are researching? 3:24 – Neil answers the question. 5:24 – Chuck: How do you know what to look into and how do you test your hypotheses? There is some science there. 5:45 – Neil: We have a large data collection. 6:07 – Chuck: You have your own ideas linked to Java? 6:15 – Neil: Yep. 6:20 – Chuck: Do people know that they are test subjects? 6:31 – Neil: Oh yeah. 6:39 – Chuck comments. 6:45 – Chuck: What do programmers see? 6:55 – Neil: It is interesting to see the code that they are writing. You are not sure what they are trying to do. Programming is a very frustrating experience for most people. I want to reach back in time and tell them that the problem is there. You watch people do it and they kind of in the right area, and then they go somewhere else. It’s frustrating for beginners. 8:06 – Chuck: How long have you been doing the research? 8:05 – Neil: Five Years. 8:22 – Chuck: How would I get into something like that? 8:32 – Neil answers the question. 9:35 – Chuck: What are you most proud of? 9:42 – Neil answers the question. 11:34 – How do you communicate that to people in the “real world” in a professional setting? 11:45 – Neil answers the question. Neil: Be careful of your own expectations. 12:32 – Chuck: What are you doing now? 12:35 – Neil answers the question. 12:58 – Neil: Research is focused on the “new.” Making something “new.” We are doing essential work, but work that doesn’t get a lot of recognition. 13:37 – Chuck: That’s interesting. What else should we dive into? I would love to have you back. 13:57 – Chuck: Any advice for someone who wants to get into this area? 14:00 – Neil: Study and get a Ph.D. to help you with research. 14:40 – Chuck: There are a lot of universities who do this type of research? 14:52 – Neil answers the question. 15:35 – Picks! 15:41 – Advertisement Links: Ruby Elixir Dr. Neil Brown – Podcast Dr. Neil Brown – Article Dr. Neil Brown – Twitter Tips for Teaching Programming with Dr. Neil Brown BlueJ Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Picks: Charles Audible If you are exhausted / depressed / down...go and take some time for yourself! Having a side project Book: Crucial Conversations Neil Michael Lewis – Flash Boys

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Dr. Neil Brown This week on My Ruby Story, Charles talks with Dr. Neil Brown who is a researcher. He helps people teach “how to program” more effectively and efficiently. Check out his social media pages and his research via the web. Chuck and Neil talk about his research among other topics. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:52 – Chuck: We are talking with Neil Brown. 1:05 – Chuck: I’ve always wanted to go to London! Let’s dive in and talk about you and how you got into all of this stuff. 1:40 – Neil: I was in primary/elementary school and sometime there I went to my dad and I asked him how are these games made? He gave me a book. 3:12 – Chuck: What are some things that you are researching? 3:24 – Neil answers the question. 5:24 – Chuck: How do you know what to look into and how do you test your hypotheses? There is some science there. 5:45 – Neil: We have a large data collection. 6:07 – Chuck: You have your own ideas linked to Java? 6:15 – Neil: Yep. 6:20 – Chuck: Do people know that they are test subjects? 6:31 – Neil: Oh yeah. 6:39 – Chuck comments. 6:45 – Chuck: What do programmers see? 6:55 – Neil: It is interesting to see the code that they are writing. You are not sure what they are trying to do. Programming is a very frustrating experience for most people. I want to reach back in time and tell them that the problem is there. You watch people do it and they kind of in the right area, and then they go somewhere else. It’s frustrating for beginners. 8:06 – Chuck: How long have you been doing the research? 8:05 – Neil: Five Years. 8:22 – Chuck: How would I get into something like that? 8:32 – Neil answers the question. 9:35 – Chuck: What are you most proud of? 9:42 – Neil answers the question. 11:34 – How do you communicate that to people in the “real world” in a professional setting? 11:45 – Neil answers the question. Neil: Be careful of your own expectations. 12:32 – Chuck: What are you doing now? 12:35 – Neil answers the question. 12:58 – Neil: Research is focused on the “new.” Making something “new.” We are doing essential work, but work that doesn’t get a lot of recognition. 13:37 – Chuck: That’s interesting. What else should we dive into? I would love to have you back. 13:57 – Chuck: Any advice for someone who wants to get into this area? 14:00 – Neil: Study and get a Ph.D. to help you with research. 14:40 – Chuck: There are a lot of universities who do this type of research? 14:52 – Neil answers the question. 15:35 – Picks! 15:41 – Advertisement Links: Ruby Elixir Dr. Neil Brown – Podcast Dr. Neil Brown – Article Dr. Neil Brown – Twitter Tips for Teaching Programming with Dr. Neil Brown BlueJ Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Picks: Charles Audible If you are exhausted / depressed / down...go and take some time for yourself! Having a side project Book: Crucial Conversations Neil Michael Lewis – Flash Boys

Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry Special Guests: Saverio Miroddi In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks to Saverio Miroddi who is an engineer among other things. Saverio has written articles, and a link to two of his articles is found below. The panel and Saverio talk about Ruby, Ruby Motion, Shoes, Hackety Hack, and much more! Check out the episode! Show Topics: 2:05 – Chuck asks a question. 2:42 – Chuck: What do you recommend for the listeners? 2:49 – Saverio: At the time I recommended an underdog. Now, making a recommendation is kind of hard. It depends on what they need. It’s fascinating in a way, because web development is not straightforward. Through the choice the subject is so wide. 3:58 – Panelist: Building desktop applications the very last thin I think: I should build this in Ruby. It sounds like I am not the only person. Why would people want to build desktop apps in Ruby versus another program? 4:38 – Chuck: I was thinking the same thing. 4:59 – Saverio: Personally, I like consistency. When Ruby came out it’s meant to be very easy. It should be easy to hack a certain tool. It depends on a case basis. 6:15 – Panelist: How does Ruby shine in this respect? 6:19 – Saverio: It’s hard to say. It is a compromise with everything. That’s the case – if it is meant to be simple, keep it simple. When I wrote my app I was looking for consistency. Ruby is far from ideal and it’s compromising the project. 8:02 – Panelist: Tell us how you use it? Tell us your cases. 8:17 – Saverio dives into this topic. 9:05 – Panelist: I hate web applications online – I want it on my desktop. But it’s funny; I am the opposite when I make it. I really like the idea of Ruby being expanded beyond web application. Panelist continues to talk about what/where/how Ruby is used or not used. 10:30 – Chuck: I like the idea of expanding to other areas, as well. Do you think there is enough momentum to get it to a new place? 11:09 – Saverio answers this question. Saverio: To be honest, this might just be a niche. It’s being developed at a slow pace. I know a few things use Ruby, and they just want to use a few small tools, and a few frameworks. 12:38 – Panelist talks about Ruby and how it can be good for kids and beginners because of the visual component/feedback. 13:49 – Saverio: I agree. 13:59 – Chuck: I asked earlier, what would you recommend to kids to get started? 14:20 – Saverio answers the question. 16:02 – Panelist: I think I have a compromise, what about a web application that loads like a regular web page, but also has offline functionality? If you go offline it can load and sometimes work. Now you have a native application. 16:47 – Chuck adds in a comment. 16:53 – Advertisement 17:31 – Saverio: That would be complex, right? 17:44 – Chuck: They were headed towards desktop but never got there. 17:55 – Panelist: There is Ruby Motion. 18:41 – Chuck: We are going to have a special guest back to talk about doing Ruby Motion on the Nintendo Switch. I think it will take a lot to compile to get to the new system. 19:07 – What is your experience with building Opal? 19:17 – Saverio: I excluded those, actually. 19:50 – Panelist: Let’s talk about data and storing data? 20:04 – Saverio: Definitely. Saverio dives into this topic... 20:28 – Chuck: Do you use Active Record? 20:32 – Saverio: No. 21:00 – Saverio: I like simplistic solutions. 21:19 – Chuck: That sounds like it wouldn’t be completely foreign for people who have done web development. If we are more web active what will throw us off? Just in general. Your visual is different than the web. It’s different between a desktop and a web app. 22:21 – Panelist: If you are building in Ruby it can be locked down to a single thread. 22:37 – Saverio adds his thoughts. 22:59 – Panelist: Any open source projects that are gooey based application? 23:25 – Saverio: I am not aware. There are applications out there that are getting traction, though. 23:50 – Chuck asks Saverio a question. 24:01 – Saverio talks about Ruby 25:12 – Saverio is deciding on whether or not to transition to another language or not. 26:36 – Chuck: Things that are built with Shoes...Hackety Hack? 26:55 – Saverio: It is hard to write in Shoes. It’s fun for the beginner. 27:34 – Chuck: Anything else? 27:41 – Panelist: This has to do with the Gooey, and it’s Native Fire. 29:05 – Chuck chimes in. 29:26 – Panelist continues talking about this topic. 30:48 – Panelist: To make it beyond a toy, there needs to be more community support and more examples. I have been in Ruby for a while, but building applications in React and Electron is not that simple as in Ruby. I hope to see more support in open-source projects, and to take it to the next level. This is a story yet to be told. 31:52 – Panelist: My concern is it always looks like a high school project. 32:15 – Chuck: Yeah, doesn’t look completely polished. 32:19 – Saverio: Yes, when you go to a Ruby talk then... 32:50 – Chuck: Anything else? 33:04 – Saverio: I have nothing else to add. 33:10 – Advertisement 33:47 – Picks! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Shoes Saverio Miroddi’s GitHub Saverio Miroddi’s article, “Using scripts in any language for...” Saverio Miroddi’s article, “An overview of Desktop Ruby GUI Development in 2018” RhoMobile Ruby Motion Ruby Gems Hackety Hack NPM – Nativefier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Charles Books – I have been devouring stuff on Audible. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Lucas Reis Justin Bennett (guest host) Special Guests: Gant Laborde In this episode, the panel talks with Gant who has been programming for twenty years. In the past, he has been an adjunct professor and loves to teach. Finally, he talks at conferences and enjoys sharing his ideas. The panel talks about the React State Museum, among many other topics, such as: React Native, Flux, Redux, Agile, and XState. Show Topics: 1:24 – Chuck: What do you do? 2:02 – Chuck and Gant: We met at React Rally at 2016. 2:17 – Gant: I have my own sticker branding with a friend in Japan who is genius. She draws all these characters. They are my business card now. 2:41 – Chuck: React State Museum- talk about its brief history and what it is? 2:54 – Gant: React is this beautiful thing of passing these functional capsules around and managing them. Once you start creating another component, the question is how do you actually manage all of these components? We are all so happy to be on the cutting edge, but state management systems come up and die so fast. For like Facebook, there are 2 people who understand Flux. What happens is Redux is the one thing that shows up and... 6:34 – Chuck: I want to say...I think we need to change the topic. You said that JavaScript USED to be bad at classes, but it’s still bad at classes! 6:52 – Gant: Yep. 7:21 – Chuck: Typescript gets us close-ish. 7:31 – Chuck: Do you get feedback on the library? 8:12 – Gant: The requests that I’ve got - it’s from people who are better at (that0 than me. I wanted to test the lines of code. But that’s unfair because there are a lot of things to do. It really was a plan but what happens is – components that are used in this example is that in this node module... 9:41 – Panel: This is an interesting topic. When you assess any technology...if you are not a technology expert than you really can’t say. That’s interesting that you are doing this an open-source way. 10:25 – Gant: I am a huge fan of this vs. that. I am okay with say “this” one wins and “that” one looses. I don’t declare a winner cause it’s more like a Rosetta Stone. I had to find pitfalls and I respect that for the different perspectives. At the end of the day I do have opinions. But there is no winner. They are all the same and they are all extremely different. Are you trying to teach someone in one day? I learned Redux in 2 different days. 12:00 – Panel: Is there a library that helps with X, Y, Z, etc. 12:16 – Gant: I love for teaching and giving people a great start. I just set state and live life. I had to show what X is like. 13:59 – Chuck: Like this conversation about frameworks and which framework to use. Everyone was using Redux, because it was more or less what we wanted it to do. But at the time it cleaned up a bunch of code. Now we have all these other options. We are figuring out... How to write JavaScript if web assembly really took off? Do I write React with X or with Y. And how does this affect all of this? We had all of these conversations but we haven’t settled on the absolute best way to do this. 15:50 – Panel: This is great, and I think this is from the community as a whole. 17:20 – Chuck: I need to ask a question. Is this because the requirements on the frontend has changed? Or... I think we are talking about these state management systems, and this is what Lucas is talking about. 17:45 – Gant: I think it’s both. 18:43 – Panel: Websites have gotten bigger. We have always been pushing CSS. Panelist mentions Facebook Blue, among other things. What does your state look like? What does your validation look like? We are on so many different devices, and so on. 20:00 – Gant: I agree to echo everything that you all have said. I think the expectations are tighter now; that we have less drift. People are being more cognoscente and asking what is our brand. And it’s about brand consistency. And we are expecting more out of our technology, too. We keep pushing the envelope. What about these features? We want to be feature rich, and pushing these envelopes – how can we build more faster with less complexity while building it. You have to put that complexity somewhere. It’s interesting to watch. 22:00 – Chuck: How do we use this React State Museum...where are we going next? 22:19 – Gant: It’s a loaded question. Being able to ID new and interesting concepts. If you had a terrible version and Redux comes along, Redux is great for some companies but not all. You won’t see bugs that are crazy, there is a middle-wear, and maybe for your team going into Redux will make things more manageable. 25:25 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 26:05 – Panel: Understanding your problem is the first thing to do. Talking about evolutionary architecture – to build your software to evolve. What does tha fit really well? So if you have to pick something new you are in a good position. What are my needs? Don’t look too much forward or 27:38 – Chuck: Advice on looking at your problem-sets? 27:52 – Panel: We have gone from planning too much to not planning at all. I don’t need to plan for too much or else it will “hurt” me. 28:42 – Chuck comments and mentions Agile. 29:29 – Panel and Guest chime in. 29:39 – Panel: I worked on a project (3 months) we needed to do a big change. I asked them why didn’t we take that into consideration. And their answer was... 30:30 – Gant: You might get away with... 30:55 – Chuck: What are some of the knobs on this? If I turn this know Redux is looking good, but if I do this... 31:12 – Gant: There are a lot of attractive knobs. Using app sync, not using app sync. 32:33 – Gant: Is your app really effective? That’s your first important question. How much state do I need on the frontend. And vice versa. 34:02 – Gant: How easy will this be to test? Can I teach someone how to do this? If I cannot teach it then it won’t do my team any good. 34:35 – Panel adds in comments. 35:08 – Gant: Looking at tests. 37:25 – Panel: If you have a great backend team then you can move the work across the team. You have a strong team to move that work along that line – normally you can’t cross that sort of thing. 38:03 – Chuck: There are so many options, too. I see Apollo getting reach here. I don’t see it as a statement tool instead I see it as... 38:31 – Panel: Apollo State – seems like they are pushing the envelope. It’s interesting to watch. 38:54 – Chuck. 39:12 – Gant: I am going to go ahead and use this tool – I am not going to worry about it. But now you are being held accountable. 39:29 – Panel: Question for folks: React not having a blessed ecosystem can hold people back in some ways? You have the freedom to use what you want. Here are the tools that you can use. Do you tink it be better if the Facebook team could do... 40:20 – Gant: I find that I don’t like (being told) this is what you will be using. I am a person with idea. We’d all be using Flux and all be very upset. 41:00 –Then there would be 3 people who don’t understand it. 41:17 – Gant: I loved Google Wave. Fool on my once and shame on me twice... Google Video! Google comes out and says here is BLESSED and you don’t have any choice. But it’s any author for themselves. It’s a little bit silly 0 I would like a beacon from Facebook saying: Here is a guide. It seems that they can’t focus. They are running a large company; I would like to keep it open – friendly energy. 42:24 – Chuck: I am mixed feelings about this. It only plays as far as people play into it. IN a React community there are so many voices. They all have opinions on what you should/shouldn’t use. The one thing that I like about a blessed / recommended stack – brand new person – it’s a good place to art. After that if they realize that Flux is hard then they can go and try other options. There are other things out there; there is a good balance there. 43:36 – Panel: That is the Angular way right? 43:38 – Chuck: Yes but Angular is more opinionated. It’s a different feel. 44:38 - Panel + Guest continue this conversation. 45:00 – The book DRIVE is mentioned. 45:21 – Gant: ... we need more recommendations. 45:43 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Repot and how to use this? If you go and get Repot – Google React State Museum it’s really easy. How should people come to this and pick it up? 46:18 – Gant: The table that comes in there – it links to the main Repot. A lot of people showed up and contributed. First of all show up. Gant mentions a sandbox link – and he talks about getting your hands dirty. React Native is mentioned, too. 48:10 – Gant: There are many opportunities for contributors. I could use my links. Typos, documentations, etc. - anything friendly is accepted here. 49:20 – Gant continues this conversation. 50:33 – Chuck: Anything else to dive into? 50:41 – Panel: I think there could be other things you can bubble up 51:26 – Gant: I would love some help with that. I did have some contributors write some tests. I wrote a test – 4 hours later – and it tells me if it passed or not. It has to go into a new directory, and work in Android, etc. It’s insane testing library. Then there are some checks to see if there is a link in the README. Animation if there is anyone who wants to do some cool stuff – like modules. Maybe it’s apple to oranges comparisons there. I would like to identify that for people. We would like some outside feedback out there. The more the merrier to help with the data is out there. Sanity check complete – yes! 53:24 – How to do that? 53:31 – File a ticket to help contribute. So you can say: I will do this. If you do it in a reasonable amount of time, then heck yes. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry Special Guests: Saverio Miroddi In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks to Saverio Miroddi who is an engineer among other things. Saverio has written articles, and a link to two of his articles is found below. The panel and Saverio talk about Ruby, Ruby Motion, Shoes, Hackety Hack, and much more! Check out the episode! Show Topics: 2:05 – Chuck asks a question. 2:42 – Chuck: What do you recommend for the listeners? 2:49 – Saverio: At the time I recommended an underdog. Now, making a recommendation is kind of hard. It depends on what they need. It’s fascinating in a way, because web development is not straightforward. Through the choice the subject is so wide. 3:58 – Panelist: Building desktop applications the very last thin I think: I should build this in Ruby. It sounds like I am not the only person. Why would people want to build desktop apps in Ruby versus another program? 4:38 – Chuck: I was thinking the same thing. 4:59 – Saverio: Personally, I like consistency. When Ruby came out it’s meant to be very easy. It should be easy to hack a certain tool. It depends on a case basis. 6:15 – Panelist: How does Ruby shine in this respect? 6:19 – Saverio: It’s hard to say. It is a compromise with everything. That’s the case – if it is meant to be simple, keep it simple. When I wrote my app I was looking for consistency. Ruby is far from ideal and it’s compromising the project. 8:02 – Panelist: Tell us how you use it? Tell us your cases. 8:17 – Saverio dives into this topic. 9:05 – Panelist: I hate web applications online – I want it on my desktop. But it’s funny; I am the opposite when I make it. I really like the idea of Ruby being expanded beyond web application. Panelist continues to talk about what/where/how Ruby is used or not used. 10:30 – Chuck: I like the idea of expanding to other areas, as well. Do you think there is enough momentum to get it to a new place? 11:09 – Saverio answers this question. Saverio: To be honest, this might just be a niche. It’s being developed at a slow pace. I know a few things use Ruby, and they just want to use a few small tools, and a few frameworks. 12:38 – Panelist talks about Ruby and how it can be good for kids and beginners because of the visual component/feedback. 13:49 – Saverio: I agree. 13:59 – Chuck: I asked earlier, what would you recommend to kids to get started? 14:20 – Saverio answers the question. 16:02 – Panelist: I think I have a compromise, what about a web application that loads like a regular web page, but also has offline functionality? If you go offline it can load and sometimes work. Now you have a native application. 16:47 – Chuck adds in a comment. 16:53 – Advertisement 17:31 – Saverio: That would be complex, right? 17:44 – Chuck: They were headed towards desktop but never got there. 17:55 – Panelist: There is Ruby Motion. 18:41 – Chuck: We are going to have a special guest back to talk about doing Ruby Motion on the Nintendo Switch. I think it will take a lot to compile to get to the new system. 19:07 – What is your experience with building Opal? 19:17 – Saverio: I excluded those, actually. 19:50 – Panelist: Let’s talk about data and storing data? 20:04 – Saverio: Definitely. Saverio dives into this topic... 20:28 – Chuck: Do you use Active Record? 20:32 – Saverio: No. 21:00 – Saverio: I like simplistic solutions. 21:19 – Chuck: That sounds like it wouldn’t be completely foreign for people who have done web development. If we are more web active what will throw us off? Just in general. Your visual is different than the web. It’s different between a desktop and a web app. 22:21 – Panelist: If you are building in Ruby it can be locked down to a single thread. 22:37 – Saverio adds his thoughts. 22:59 – Panelist: Any open source projects that are gooey based application? 23:25 – Saverio: I am not aware. There are applications out there that are getting traction, though. 23:50 – Chuck asks Saverio a question. 24:01 – Saverio talks about Ruby 25:12 – Saverio is deciding on whether or not to transition to another language or not. 26:36 – Chuck: Things that are built with Shoes...Hackety Hack? 26:55 – Saverio: It is hard to write in Shoes. It’s fun for the beginner. 27:34 – Chuck: Anything else? 27:41 – Panelist: This has to do with the Gooey, and it’s Native Fire. 29:05 – Chuck chimes in. 29:26 – Panelist continues talking about this topic. 30:48 – Panelist: To make it beyond a toy, there needs to be more community support and more examples. I have been in Ruby for a while, but building applications in React and Electron is not that simple as in Ruby. I hope to see more support in open-source projects, and to take it to the next level. This is a story yet to be told. 31:52 – Panelist: My concern is it always looks like a high school project. 32:15 – Chuck: Yeah, doesn’t look completely polished. 32:19 – Saverio: Yes, when you go to a Ruby talk then... 32:50 – Chuck: Anything else? 33:04 – Saverio: I have nothing else to add. 33:10 – Advertisement 33:47 – Picks! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Shoes Saverio Miroddi’s GitHub Saverio Miroddi’s article, “Using scripts in any language for...” Saverio Miroddi’s article, “An overview of Desktop Ruby GUI Development in 2018” RhoMobile Ruby Motion Ruby Gems Hackety Hack NPM – Nativefier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Charles Books – I have been devouring stuff on Audible. Personal growth tape – The Queen’s Poisoner by Wheeler A View from the Top by Zig Ziglar Code Badges Dave Command strips – 3M NPM – Nativefier Eric 2 courses, plus a 3rd! How to write an open source How to Contribute to an Open Source Project on GitHub The beginners guide to React Free courses on Egghead Saverio Movie: The Founder

Panel: Charles Max Wood Lucas Reis Justin Bennett (guest host) Special Guests: Gant Laborde In this episode, the panel talks with Gant who has been programming for twenty years. In the past, he has been an adjunct professor and loves to teach. Finally, he talks at conferences and enjoys sharing his ideas. The panel talks about the React State Museum, among many other topics, such as: React Native, Flux, Redux, Agile, and XState. Show Topics: 1:24 – Chuck: What do you do? 2:02 – Chuck and Gant: We met at React Rally at 2016. 2:17 – Gant: I have my own sticker branding with a friend in Japan who is genius. She draws all these characters. They are my business card now. 2:41 – Chuck: React State Museum- talk about its brief history and what it is? 2:54 – Gant: React is this beautiful thing of passing these functional capsules around and managing them. Once you start creating another component, the question is how do you actually manage all of these components? We are all so happy to be on the cutting edge, but state management systems come up and die so fast. For like Facebook, there are 2 people who understand Flux. What happens is Redux is the one thing that shows up and... 6:34 – Chuck: I want to say...I think we need to change the topic. You said that JavaScript USED to be bad at classes, but it’s still bad at classes! 6:52 – Gant: Yep. 7:21 – Chuck: Typescript gets us close-ish. 7:31 – Chuck: Do you get feedback on the library? 8:12 – Gant: The requests that I’ve got - it’s from people who are better at (that0 than me. I wanted to test the lines of code. But that’s unfair because there are a lot of things to do. It really was a plan but what happens is – components that are used in this example is that in this node module... 9:41 – Panel: This is an interesting topic. When you assess any technology...if you are not a technology expert than you really can’t say. That’s interesting that you are doing this an open-source way. 10:25 – Gant: I am a huge fan of this vs. that. I am okay with say “this” one wins and “that” one looses. I don’t declare a winner cause it’s more like a Rosetta Stone. I had to find pitfalls and I respect that for the different perspectives. At the end of the day I do have opinions. But there is no winner. They are all the same and they are all extremely different. Are you trying to teach someone in one day? I learned Redux in 2 different days. 12:00 – Panel: Is there a library that helps with X, Y, Z, etc. 12:16 – Gant: I love for teaching and giving people a great start. I just set state and live life. I had to show what X is like. 13:59 – Chuck: Like this conversation about frameworks and which framework to use. Everyone was using Redux, because it was more or less what we wanted it to do. But at the time it cleaned up a bunch of code. Now we have all these other options. We are figuring out... How to write JavaScript if web assembly really took off? Do I write React with X or with Y. And how does this affect all of this? We had all of these conversations but we haven’t settled on the absolute best way to do this. 15:50 – Panel: This is great, and I think this is from the community as a whole. 17:20 – Chuck: I need to ask a question. Is this because the requirements on the frontend has changed? Or... I think we are talking about these state management systems, and this is what Lucas is talking about. 17:45 – Gant: I think it’s both. 18:43 – Panel: Websites have gotten bigger. We have always been pushing CSS. Panelist mentions Facebook Blue, among other things. What does your state look like? What does your validation look like? We are on so many different devices, and so on. 20:00 – Gant: I agree to echo everything that you all have said. I think the expectations are tighter now; that we have less drift. People are being more cognoscente and asking what is our brand. And it’s about brand consistency. And we are expecting more out of our technology, too. We keep pushing the envelope. What about these features? We want to be feature rich, and pushing these envelopes – how can we build more faster with less complexity while building it. You have to put that complexity somewhere. It’s interesting to watch. 22:00 – Chuck: How do we use this React State Museum...where are we going next? 22:19 – Gant: It’s a loaded question. Being able to ID new and interesting concepts. If you had a terrible version and Redux comes along, Redux is great for some companies but not all. You won’t see bugs that are crazy, there is a middle-wear, and maybe for your team going into Redux will make things more manageable. 25:25 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 26:05 – Panel: Understanding your problem is the first thing to do. Talking about evolutionary architecture – to build your software to evolve. What does tha fit really well? So if you have to pick something new you are in a good position. What are my needs? Don’t look too much forward or 27:38 – Chuck: Advice on looking at your problem-sets? 27:52 – Panel: We have gone from planning too much to not planning at all. I don’t need to plan for too much or else it will “hurt” me. 28:42 – Chuck comments and mentions Agile. 29:29 – Panel and Guest chime in. 29:39 – Panel: I worked on a project (3 months) we needed to do a big change. I asked them why didn’t we take that into consideration. And their answer was... 30:30 – Gant: You might get away with... 30:55 – Chuck: What are some of the knobs on this? If I turn this know Redux is looking good, but if I do this... 31:12 – Gant: There are a lot of attractive knobs. Using app sync, not using app sync. 32:33 – Gant: Is your app really effective? That’s your first important question. How much state do I need on the frontend. And vice versa. 34:02 – Gant: How easy will this be to test? Can I teach someone how to do this? If I cannot teach it then it won’t do my team any good. 34:35 – Panel adds in comments. 35:08 – Gant: Looking at tests. 37:25 – Panel: If you have a great backend team then you can move the work across the team. You have a strong team to move that work along that line – normally you can’t cross that sort of thing. 38:03 – Chuck: There are so many options, too. I see Apollo getting reach here. I don’t see it as a statement tool instead I see it as... 38:31 – Panel: Apollo State – seems like they are pushing the envelope. It’s interesting to watch. 38:54 – Chuck. 39:12 – Gant: I am going to go ahead and use this tool – I am not going to worry about it. But now you are being held accountable. 39:29 – Panel: Question for folks: React not having a blessed ecosystem can hold people back in some ways? You have the freedom to use what you want. Here are the tools that you can use. Do you tink it be better if the Facebook team could do... 40:20 – Gant: I find that I don’t like (being told) this is what you will be using. I am a person with idea. We’d all be using Flux and all be very upset. 41:00 –Then there would be 3 people who don’t understand it. 41:17 – Gant: I loved Google Wave. Fool on my once and shame on me twice... Google Video! Google comes out and says here is BLESSED and you don’t have any choice. But it’s any author for themselves. It’s a little bit silly 0 I would like a beacon from Facebook saying: Here is a guide. It seems that they can’t focus. They are running a large company; I would like to keep it open – friendly energy. 42:24 – Chuck: I am mixed feelings about this. It only plays as far as people play into it. IN a React community there are so many voices. They all have opinions on what you should/shouldn’t use. The one thing that I like about a blessed / recommended stack – brand new person – it’s a good place to art. After that if they realize that Flux is hard then they can go and try other options. There are other things out there; there is a good balance there. 43:36 – Panel: That is the Angular way right? 43:38 – Chuck: Yes but Angular is more opinionated. It’s a different feel. 44:38 - Panel + Guest continue this conversation. 45:00 – The book DRIVE is mentioned. 45:21 – Gant: ... we need more recommendations. 45:43 – Chuck: Let’s talk about Repot and how to use this? If you go and get Repot – Google React State Museum it’s really easy. How should people come to this and pick it up? 46:18 – Gant: The table that comes in there – it links to the main Repot. A lot of people showed up and contributed. First of all show up. Gant mentions a sandbox link – and he talks about getting your hands dirty. React Native is mentioned, too. 48:10 – Gant: There are many opportunities for contributors. I could use my links. Typos, documentations, etc. - anything friendly is accepted here. 49:20 – Gant continues this conversation. 50:33 – Chuck: Anything else to dive into? 50:41 – Panel: I think there could be other things you can bubble up 51:26 – Gant: I would love some help with that. I did have some contributors write some tests. I wrote a test – 4 hours later – and it tells me if it passed or not. It has to go into a new directory, and work in Android, etc. It’s insane testing library. Then there are some checks to see if there is a link in the README. Animation if there is anyone who wants to do some cool stuff – like modules. Maybe it’s apple to oranges comparisons there. I would like to identify that for people. We would like some outside feedback out there. The more the merrier to help with the data is out there. Sanity check complete – yes! 53:24 – How to do that? 53:31 – File a ticket to help contribute. So you can say: I will do this. If you do it in a reasonable amount of time, then heck yes. If you do some open source...Do 10 (I think) and you get a free t-shirt? 54:28 – Advertisement. Links: Kendo UI Ruby on Rails Angular Get A Coder Job Redux Agile A Philosophy of Software Design – book XState Book: Spellmonger Did Someone Steal the Declaration of Independence Again? Book: The Culture Code Gant Laborde’s Twitter Lucas Reis’ Email: lucasmreis@gmail.com Charles Max Wood’s Twitter Sponsors: Kendo UI Digital Ocean Get A Coder Job Picks: Charles My journey – it’s been a rough year – with my dad passing. Willing to think it and process it, and it’s a healthy thing. Book: The Traveler’s Gift by Andy Andrews Book: The Shack by William Paul Young Gant Book: Harry Potter - Methods of Rationality Magicians XState is amazing! Culture Code - especially if you work remote. The pains that can happen by working remotely. Helps you identify those issues. Talk in Poland – Secret project. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Dave Kimura Eric Berry Special Guests: Saverio Miroddi In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks to Saverio Miroddi who is an engineer among other things. Saverio has written articles, and a link to two of his articles is found below. The panel and Saverio talk about Ruby, Ruby Motion, Shoes, Hackety Hack, and much more! Check out the episode! Show Topics: 2:05 – Chuck asks a question. 2:42 – Chuck: What do you recommend for the listeners? 2:49 – Saverio: At the time I recommended an underdog. Now, making a recommendation is kind of hard. It depends on what they need. It’s fascinating in a way, because web development is not straightforward. Through the choice the subject is so wide. 3:58 – Panelist: Building desktop applications the very last thin I think: I should build this in Ruby. It sounds like I am not the only person. Why would people want to build desktop apps in Ruby versus another program? 4:38 – Chuck: I was thinking the same thing. 4:59 – Saverio: Personally, I like consistency. When Ruby came out it’s meant to be very easy. It should be easy to hack a certain tool. It depends on a case basis. 6:15 – Panelist: How does Ruby shine in this respect? 6:19 – Saverio: It’s hard to say. It is a compromise with everything. That’s the case – if it is meant to be simple, keep it simple. When I wrote my app I was looking for consistency. Ruby is far from ideal and it’s compromising the project. 8:02 – Panelist: Tell us how you use it? Tell us your cases. 8:17 – Saverio dives into this topic. 9:05 – Panelist: I hate web applications online – I want it on my desktop. But it’s funny; I am the opposite when I make it. I really like the idea of Ruby being expanded beyond web application. Panelist continues to talk about what/where/how Ruby is used or not used. 10:30 – Chuck: I like the idea of expanding to other areas, as well. Do you think there is enough momentum to get it to a new place? 11:09 – Saverio answers this question. Saverio: To be honest, this might just be a niche. It’s being developed at a slow pace. I know a few things use Ruby, and they just want to use a few small tools, and a few frameworks. 12:38 – Panelist talks about Ruby and how it can be good for kids and beginners because of the visual component/feedback. 13:49 – Saverio: I agree. 13:59 – Chuck: I asked earlier, what would you recommend to kids to get started? 14:20 – Saverio answers the question. 16:02 – Panelist: I think I have a compromise, what about a web application that loads like a regular web page, but also has offline functionality? If you go offline it can load and sometimes work. Now you have a native application. 16:47 – Chuck adds in a comment. 16:53 – Advertisement 17:31 – Saverio: That would be complex, right? 17:44 – Chuck: They were headed towards desktop but never got there. 17:55 – Panelist: There is Ruby Motion. 18:41 – Chuck: We are going to have a special guest back to talk about doing Ruby Motion on the Nintendo Switch. I think it will take a lot to compile to get to the new system. 19:07 – What is your experience with building Opal? 19:17 – Saverio: I excluded those, actually. 19:50 – Panelist: Let’s talk about data and storing data? 20:04 – Saverio: Definitely. Saverio dives into this topic... 20:28 – Chuck: Do you use Active Record? 20:32 – Saverio: No. 21:00 – Saverio: I like simplistic solutions. 21:19 – Chuck: That sounds like it wouldn’t be completely foreign for people who have done web development. If we are more web active what will throw us off? Just in general. Your visual is different than the web. It’s different between a desktop and a web app. 22:21 – Panelist: If you are building in Ruby it can be locked down to a single thread. 22:37 – Saverio adds his thoughts. 22:59 – Panelist: Any open source projects that are gooey based application? 23:25 – Saverio: I am not aware. There are applications out there that are getting traction, though. 23:50 – Chuck asks Saverio a question. 24:01 – Saverio talks about Ruby 25:12 – Saverio is deciding on whether or not to transition to another language or not. 26:36 – Chuck: Things that are built with Shoes...Hackety Hack? 26:55 – Saverio: It is hard to write in Shoes. It’s fun for the beginner. 27:34 – Chuck: Anything else? 27:41 – Panelist: This has to do with the Gooey, and it’s Native Fire. 29:05 – Chuck chimes in. 29:26 – Panelist continues talking about this topic. 30:48 – Panelist: To make it beyond a toy, there needs to be more community support and more examples. I have been in Ruby for a while, but building applications in React and Electron is not that simple as in Ruby. I hope to see more support in open-source projects, and to take it to the next level. This is a story yet to be told. 31:52 – Panelist: My concern is it always looks like a high school project. 32:15 – Chuck: Yeah, doesn’t look completely polished. 32:19 – Saverio: Yes, when you go to a Ruby talk then... 32:50 – Chuck: Anything else? 33:04 – Saverio: I have nothing else to add. 33:10 – Advertisement 33:47 – Picks! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Shoes Saverio Miroddi’s GitHub Saverio Miroddi’s article, “Using scripts in any language for...” Saverio Miroddi’s article, “An overview of Desktop Ruby GUI Development in 2018” RhoMobile Ruby Motion Ruby Gems Hackety Hack NPM – Nativefier Sponsors: Sentry Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Charles Books – I have been devouring stuff on Audible. Personal growth tape – The Queen’s Poisoner by Wheeler A View from the Top by Zig Ziglar Code Badges Dave Command strips – 3M NPM – Nativefier Eric 2 courses, plus a 3rd! How to write an open source How to Contribute to an Open Source Project on GitHub The beginners guide to React Free courses on Egghead Saverio Movie: The Founder

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Sérgio Crisóstomo This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Sérgio Crisóstomo. Charles is now interviewing podcast listeners, not just guest speakers. Check-out toady’s episode to hear Sérgio’s background as a musician and as a programmer. Also, to hear Sérgio’s latest projects and how he fell in-love with Sweden and ended up moving there! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:46 – Chuck: How did you get into programming? 1:53 – Sérgio: As a child, I got interested into gaming. I wrote coding. Spectrum. 2:22 – Chuck: I think that makes you about my age. 2:41 – Sérgio: I was born in 1978. 2:51 – Sérgio: I had a cousin who got inspired by me and we started doing things together. We would show each other what we were doing. Better games and better computers came around. Turned out that I came back to it later in life. 3:29 – Chuck: what got you interested? 3:30 – Sérgio: It was all about problem-solving. There was no book. It was trial and error. It was magic. I was doing small steps, and it was empowering to me. 4:29 – Chuck: I used Logo. How did you get into programming at the professional-level? 4:45 – Sérgio: It was a long journey. My family was deep into a musical background. I went to the conservatory. I had a background in math, music, and physics. I went into programming because my father pushed me towards that direction. I did my Master’s in violin. After that I moved to Sweden. I really liked Sweden’s educational system. After 20 years I got into program working. I faked it until I made it. I had no one who could help me day-to-day life. I love solving problems. I found myself helping people in Portugal and other countries, since their English wasn’t strong. I liked that I was helping the community. That made me feel good about c 10:15 – Chuck: You switch from PHP to Node? What was the reasoning to that? 11:30 – Chuck: What things have you built in JavaScript? 11:47 – Sérgio: I started doing some freelance work. In the beginning it was helping friends. 13:22 – Chuck: Football – do you mean soccer or football? 13:35 – Sérgio: One day in the school, we got a new principal that the school didn’t like. I left because I wasn’t happy. I was a fulltime musician, and looked at this fulltime-programming job. I went to an interview where there were code quizzes. I loved the challenges. I had to choose between two different careers. After some negotiations it was a great fit for me. I got to be in-charge of different projects. Right now, I am a senior developer. It’s a small company but it is growing. 15:48 – Advertisement  E-book! 16:31 – Chuck: It’s interesting to see how you weren’t happy with your original job and how you got into programming fulltime. 17:29 – Sérgio: It’s important to have a good perspective. I am used to meeting people because I worked with choirs, orchestras, dance, and people and I can use those tools that I learned with musicians and transfer over to programming. Since I was good in JavaScript that helped me. Also, it was good that I was head-in-chief, because of my background of being a teacher. I found similarities and made it happen. That was my way in. 19:36 – Chuck: I find that very interesting. Yes, in the larger markets they might have their pick, but if you look into the smaller markets they might need you. 20:21 – Sérgio: People will invest into you if you are willing to learn and stay for a while. 20:48 – Chuck: What is the community like over in Sweden? 21:12 – Chuck: Do you have a lot of communities/boot camps out there to help people to code out in Sweden? 21:32 – Sérgio: Yes. It’s a really active community, and I have been involved helping connect people. People are curious and wanting to grow. It’s really open. 22:39 – Chuck: How do you start a program like that? 22:53 – Sérgio: I went to MEETUP.COM.  23:45 – Sérgio: I fell in-love with the concept of Sweden’s education system. I was there touring and decided I wanted to move to Sweden. It was worth staying. Sweden is having different political winds now. They are open to foreigners. I am a Swedish citizen now. 25:18 – Chuck: What are you working on now? 25:26 – Sérgio answers Chuck’s question. 26:45 – Chuck: Anything else? 26:54 – Sérgio: I can talk about music a lot! I find a lot of programmers are musicians, too. 27:23 – Chuck: One more question. I have met, too, a lot of programmers who are musicians, too. What is the correlation? 27:43 – Music has a lot of mathematics. You have to play on time and solve problems all the time. I was in a workshop with musicians and entrepreneurs, and I learned a lot in this workshop. There are different attitudes when conducting. There is problem solving and managing people. I see the connections there. Links: Meetup.com Sergio’s GitHub Sergio’s Website Sergio’s Website Sergio’s Twitter Sponsors: Code Badges Digital Ocean Cache Fly Picks: Charles Views on Vue – DevChat Code Badge - Kick Starter Sérgio Chopin! Checkout Sweden if you want a job as a programmer! Email me!

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Sérgio Crisóstomo This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Sérgio Crisóstomo. Charles is now interviewing podcast listeners, not just guest speakers. Check-out toady’s episode to hear Sérgio’s background as a musician and as a programmer. Also, to hear Sérgio’s latest projects and how he fell in-love with Sweden and ended up moving there! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:46 – Chuck: How did you get into programming? 1:53 – Sérgio: As a child, I got interested into gaming. I wrote coding. Spectrum. 2:22 – Chuck: I think that makes you about my age. 2:41 – Sérgio: I was born in 1978. 2:51 – Sérgio: I had a cousin who got inspired by me and we started doing things together. We would show each other what we were doing. Better games and better computers came around. Turned out that I came back to it later in life. 3:29 – Chuck: what got you interested? 3:30 – Sérgio: It was all about problem-solving. There was no book. It was trial and error. It was magic. I was doing small steps, and it was empowering to me. 4:29 – Chuck: I used Logo. How did you get into programming at the professional-level? 4:45 – Sérgio: It was a long journey. My family was deep into a musical background. I went to the conservatory. I had a background in math, music, and physics. I went into programming because my father pushed me towards that direction. I did my Master’s in violin. After that I moved to Sweden. I really liked Sweden’s educational system. After 20 years I got into program working. I faked it until I made it. I had no one who could help me day-to-day life. I love solving problems. I found myself helping people in Portugal and other countries, since their English wasn’t strong. I liked that I was helping the community. That made me feel good about c 10:15 – Chuck: You switch from PHP to Node? What was the reasoning to that? 11:30 – Chuck: What things have you built in JavaScript? 11:47 – Sérgio: I started doing some freelance work. In the beginning it was helping friends. 13:22 – Chuck: Football – do you mean soccer or football? 13:35 – Sérgio: One day in the school, we got a new principal that the school didn’t like. I left because I wasn’t happy. I was a fulltime musician, and looked at this fulltime-programming job. I went to an interview where there were code quizzes. I loved the challenges. I had to choose between two different careers. After some negotiations it was a great fit for me. I got to be in-charge of different projects. Right now, I am a senior developer. It’s a small company but it is growing. 15:48 – Advertisement  E-book! 16:31 – Chuck: It’s interesting to see how you weren’t happy with your original job and how you got into programming fulltime. 17:29 – Sérgio: It’s important to have a good perspective. I am used to meeting people because I worked with choirs, orchestras, dance, and people and I can use those tools that I learned with musicians and transfer over to programming. Since I was good in JavaScript that helped me. Also, it was good that I was head-in-chief, because of my background of being a teacher. I found similarities and made it happen. That was my way in. 19:36 – Chuck: I find that very interesting. Yes, in the larger markets they might have their pick, but if you look into the smaller markets they might need you. 20:21 – Sérgio: People will invest into you if you are willing to learn and stay for a while. 20:48 – Chuck: What is the community like over in Sweden? 21:12 – Chuck: Do you have a lot of communities/boot camps out there to help people to code out in Sweden? 21:32 – Sérgio: Yes. It’s a really active community, and I have been involved helping connect people. People are curious and wanting to grow. It’s really open. 22:39 – Chuck: How do you start a program like that? 22:53 – Sérgio: I went to MEETUP.COM.  23:45 – Sérgio: I fell in-love with the concept of Sweden’s education system. I was there touring and decided I wanted to move to Sweden. It was worth staying. Sweden is having different political winds now. They are open to foreigners. I am a Swedish citizen now. 25:18 – Chuck: What are you working on now? 25:26 – Sérgio answers Chuck’s question. 26:45 – Chuck: Anything else? 26:54 – Sérgio: I can talk about music a lot! I find a lot of programmers are musicians, too. 27:23 – Chuck: One more question. I have met, too, a lot of programmers who are musicians, too. What is the correlation? 27:43 – Music has a lot of mathematics. You have to play on time and solve problems all the time. I was in a workshop with musicians and entrepreneurs, and I learned a lot in this workshop. There are different attitudes when conducting. There is problem solving and managing people. I see the connections there. Links: Meetup.com Sergio’s GitHub Sergio’s Website Sergio’s Website Sergio’s Twitter Sponsors: Code Badges Digital Ocean Cache Fly Picks: Charles Views on Vue – DevChat Code Badge - Kick Starter Sérgio Chopin! Checkout Sweden if you want a job as a programmer! Email me!

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Sérgio Crisóstomo This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Sérgio Crisóstomo. Charles is now interviewing podcast listeners, not just guest speakers. Check-out toady’s episode to hear Sérgio’s background as a musician and as a programmer. Also, to hear Sérgio’s latest projects and how he fell in-love with Sweden and ended up moving there! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:46 – Chuck: How did you get into programming? 1:53 – Sérgio: As a child, I got interested into gaming. I wrote coding. Spectrum. 2:22 – Chuck: I think that makes you about my age. 2:41 – Sérgio: I was born in 1978. 2:51 – Sérgio: I had a cousin who got inspired by me and we started doing things together. We would show each other what we were doing. Better games and better computers came around. Turned out that I came back to it later in life. 3:29 – Chuck: what got you interested? 3:30 – Sérgio: It was all about problem-solving. There was no book. It was trial and error. It was magic. I was doing small steps, and it was empowering to me. 4:29 – Chuck: I used Logo. How did you get into programming at the professional-level? 4:45 – Sérgio: It was a long journey. My family was deep into a musical background. I went to the conservatory. I had a background in math, music, and physics. I went into programming because my father pushed me towards that direction. I did my Master’s in violin. After that I moved to Sweden. I really liked Sweden’s educational system. After 20 years I got into program working. I faked it until I made it. I had no one who could help me day-to-day life. I love solving problems. I found myself helping people in Portugal and other countries, since their English wasn’t strong. I liked that I was helping the community. That made me feel good about c 10:15 – Chuck: You switch from PHP to Node? What was the reasoning to that? 11:30 – Chuck: What things have you built in JavaScript? 11:47 – Sérgio: I started doing some freelance work. In the beginning it was helping friends. 13:22 – Chuck: Football – do you mean soccer or football? 13:35 – Sérgio: One day in the school, we got a new principal that the school didn’t like. I left because I wasn’t happy. I was a fulltime musician, and looked at this fulltime-programming job. I went to an interview where there were code quizzes. I loved the challenges. I had to choose between two different careers. After some negotiations it was a great fit for me. I got to be in-charge of different projects. Right now, I am a senior developer. It’s a small company but it is growing. 15:48 – Advertisement  E-book! 16:31 – Chuck: It’s interesting to see how you weren’t happy with your original job and how you got into programming fulltime. 17:29 – Sérgio: It’s important to have a good perspective. I am used to meeting people because I worked with choirs, orchestras, dance, and people and I can use those tools that I learned with musicians and transfer over to programming. Since I was good in JavaScript that helped me. Also, it was good that I was head-in-chief, because of my background of being a teacher. I found similarities and made it happen. That was my way in. 19:36 – Chuck: I find that very interesting. Yes, in the larger markets they might have their pick, but if you look into the smaller markets they might need you. 20:21 – Sérgio: People will invest into you if you are willing to learn and stay for a while. 20:48 – Chuck: What is the community like over in Sweden? 21:12 – Chuck: Do you have a lot of communities/boot camps out there to help people to code out in Sweden? 21:32 – Sérgio: Yes. It’s a really active community, and I have been involved helping connect people. People are curious and wanting to grow. It’s really open. 22:39 – Chuck: How do you start a program like that? 22:53 – Sérgio: I went to MEETUP.COM.  23:45 – Sérgio: I fell in-love with the concept of Sweden’s education system. I was there touring and decided I wanted to move to Sweden. It was worth staying. Sweden is having different political winds now. They are open to foreigners. I am a Swedish citizen now. 25:18 – Chuck: What are you working on now? 25:26 – Sérgio answers Chuck’s question. 26:45 – Chuck: Anything else? 26:54 – Sérgio: I can talk about music a lot! I find a lot of programmers are musicians, too. 27:23 – Chuck: One more question. I have met, too, a lot of programmers who are musicians, too. What is the correlation? 27:43 – Music has a lot of mathematics. You have to play on time and solve problems all the time. I was in a workshop with musicians and entrepreneurs, and I learned a lot in this workshop. There are different attitudes when conducting. There is problem solving and managing people. I see the connections there. Links: Meetup.com Sergio’s GitHub Sergio’s Website Sergio’s Website Sergio’s Twitter Sponsors: Code Badges Digital Ocean Cache Fly Picks: Charles Views on Vue – DevChat Code Badge - Kick Starter Sérgio Chopin! Checkout Sweden if you want a job as a programmer! Email me!

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Jamie Wright This week on My Ruby Story, Charles talks to Jamie Wright about his background and current projects that he is working on. Ruby Rogue interviewed Jamie on Episode 326 – check out that episode for more information. Chuck and Jamie discuss many topics, but one in particular is truly inspiring and that is Jamie’s impact within his community: teaching! Jamie is enthused to help students with designing games and helping them with programming. Check-out today’s episode to hear more!  In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:53 – Introduction. Episode 326 of Ruby Rogues is a past episode with Jamie as a guest. 1:50 – Chuck was at Microsoft Build. It’s interesting to see where all of this stuff comes out. Interesting to see where it will be in the next few years. 2:31 – There is a lot of room for improvement – Google Dispatch. It is their AI, which is insane. Compare that to last year, it’s leap and bounds different. 2:59 – Let’s talk about your story, Jamie. 3:10 – Jamie started programming in high school, which was offered through an introduction course. It was in Basic. His cousin who was a programmer, too, influenced him. Jamie took this course, and he made a tic-tac-toe game. Went he went to college he took computer science, and fell in love with it there. Jamie loves the idea of creating things from nothing to something. It is art to me. It’s pretty neat. It’s not like you are investing hundreds of thousands into a fashion line, it’s just your time into a computer. 4:48 – Chuck makes some comments. 4:57 – Jamie mentors children from 7 – 17 years old. Works with a program, which is worldwide. Jamie helps the kids build their own games. 5:29 – Chuck: That sounds like fun! 5:35 – Seeing a side of programming where there aren’t any deadlines. 5:45 – Chuck reflects on Jamie’s previous comment. 6:03 – Jamie: It’s fun to put all of that stuff aside and watch people tinker. And hearing all of the “Oh’s and Ah’s!” 6:22 – Chuck: How did you get into Ruby? 6:31 – Jamie: Code Mash (local). Leon, in 2006/2007, was doing a workshop for Ruby, and Jamie fell in love with it. He tinkered around with it in Rails, and he was hooked ever since. 7:25 – What got you excited about it? 7:36 – A.) You had to be on Windows B.) You needed Microsoft Tooling. Just the ease of opening up a terminal, and that there was less friction – it was just easy! Jamie continues to talk about the other reasons why he fell in love with Ruby. He also enjoys the community. For him it was a good decision and it is fun for me. The fun factor is still there for me. Jamie loves Ruby. 9:22 – Chuck: What have you done in Ruby? We talked about Chatbots earlier. 9:30 – Jamie’s first project was a To Do List app. He wanted to do a task list from just one sentence. Jamie created MORALE, and it did okay for a while. That was his first app in Ruby’s. As far as open source work, Jamie hasn’t done anything that hasn’t really taken off. He created LAZINESS. Listen to this timestamp for other of Jamie’s projects and creations that he has been apart of. 11:12 – Chuck to Jamie: What are you most proud of? 11:14 – Jamie: I am most proud of teaching. I have created workshops. I see the same excitement that I had about Ruby’s. 11:49 – Chuck: It’s interesting to see what people really care about. Something I did helped someone else and their future, which is really cool. 12:29 – I am playing with Elixir now, because of Ruby, among other projects. Other projects: Pomodoro’s App and integration. 14:49 – Jamie: “Elixir is awesome. I feel like it is a perfect language for Chatbots.” 15:31 – Chuck: We will have to dive into that a little more. 16:06 – Chuck: Do you have some picks for us? 16:09 – Advertisement: Chuck’s Get A Coder Job! Links: Episode 326 of Ruby Rogues Microsoft Build Ruby Chatbot Elixir Jamie Wright’s GitHub Jamie Wright’s Twitter Chuck’s Twitter Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Picks: Charles Disney Emoji Blitz Skitch – Evernote Jamie Book: Deep Work Go play paintball! 

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Jamie Wright This week on My Ruby Story, Charles talks to Jamie Wright about his background and current projects that he is working on. Ruby Rogue interviewed Jamie on Episode 326 – check out that episode for more information. Chuck and Jamie discuss many topics, but one in particular is truly inspiring and that is Jamie’s impact within his community: teaching! Jamie is enthused to help students with designing games and helping them with programming. Check-out today’s episode to hear more!  In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:53 – Introduction. Episode 326 of Ruby Rogues is a past episode with Jamie as a guest. 1:50 – Chuck was at Microsoft Build. It’s interesting to see where all of this stuff comes out. Interesting to see where it will be in the next few years. 2:31 – There is a lot of room for improvement – Google Dispatch. It is their AI, which is insane. Compare that to last year, it’s leap and bounds different. 2:59 – Let’s talk about your story, Jamie. 3:10 – Jamie started programming in high school, which was offered through an introduction course. It was in Basic. His cousin who was a programmer, too, influenced him. Jamie took this course, and he made a tic-tac-toe game. Went he went to college he took computer science, and fell in love with it there. Jamie loves the idea of creating things from nothing to something. It is art to me. It’s pretty neat. It’s not like you are investing hundreds of thousands into a fashion line, it’s just your time into a computer. 4:48 – Chuck makes some comments. 4:57 – Jamie mentors children from 7 – 17 years old. Works with a program, which is worldwide. Jamie helps the kids build their own games. 5:29 – Chuck: That sounds like fun! 5:35 – Seeing a side of programming where there aren’t any deadlines. 5:45 – Chuck reflects on Jamie’s previous comment. 6:03 – Jamie: It’s fun to put all of that stuff aside and watch people tinker. And hearing all of the “Oh’s and Ah’s!” 6:22 – Chuck: How did you get into Ruby? 6:31 – Jamie: Code Mash (local). Leon, in 2006/2007, was doing a workshop for Ruby, and Jamie fell in love with it. He tinkered around with it in Rails, and he was hooked ever since. 7:25 – What got you excited about it? 7:36 – A.) You had to be on Windows B.) You needed Microsoft Tooling. Just the ease of opening up a terminal, and that there was less friction – it was just easy! Jamie continues to talk about the other reasons why he fell in love with Ruby. He also enjoys the community. For him it was a good decision and it is fun for me. The fun factor is still there for me. Jamie loves Ruby. 9:22 – Chuck: What have you done in Ruby? We talked about Chatbots earlier. 9:30 – Jamie’s first project was a To Do List app. He wanted to do a task list from just one sentence. Jamie created MORALE, and it did okay for a while. That was his first app in Ruby’s. As far as open source work, Jamie hasn’t done anything that hasn’t really taken off. He created LAZINESS. Listen to this timestamp for other of Jamie’s projects and creations that he has been apart of. 11:12 – Chuck to Jamie: What are you most proud of? 11:14 – Jamie: I am most proud of teaching. I have created workshops. I see the same excitement that I had about Ruby’s. 11:49 – Chuck: It’s interesting to see what people really care about. Something I did helped someone else and their future, which is really cool. 12:29 – I am playing with Elixir now, because of Ruby, among other projects. Other projects: Pomodoro’s App and integration. 14:49 – Jamie: “Elixir is awesome. I feel like it is a perfect language for Chatbots.” 15:31 – Chuck: We will have to dive into that a little more. 16:06 – Chuck: Do you have some picks for us? 16:09 – Advertisement: Chuck’s Get A Coder Job! Links: Episode 326 of Ruby Rogues Microsoft Build Ruby Chatbot Elixir Jamie Wright’s GitHub Jamie Wright’s Twitter Chuck’s Twitter Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Picks: Charles Disney Emoji Blitz Skitch – Evernote Jamie Book: Deep Work Go play paintball! 

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Jamie Wright This week on My Ruby Story, Charles talks to Jamie Wright about his background and current projects that he is working on. Ruby Rogue interviewed Jamie on Episode 326 – check out that episode for more information. Chuck and Jamie discuss many topics, but one in particular is truly inspiring and that is Jamie’s impact within his community: teaching! Jamie is enthused to help students with designing games and helping them with programming. Check-out today’s episode to hear more!  In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:53 – Introduction. Episode 326 of Ruby Rogues is a past episode with Jamie as a guest. 1:50 – Chuck was at Microsoft Build. It’s interesting to see where all of this stuff comes out. Interesting to see where it will be in the next few years. 2:31 – There is a lot of room for improvement – Google Dispatch. It is their AI, which is insane. Compare that to last year, it’s leap and bounds different. 2:59 – Let’s talk about your story, Jamie. 3:10 – Jamie started programming in high school, which was offered through an introduction course. It was in Basic. His cousin who was a programmer, too, influenced him. Jamie took this course, and he made a tic-tac-toe game. Went he went to college he took computer science, and fell in love with it there. Jamie loves the idea of creating things from nothing to something. It is art to me. It’s pretty neat. It’s not like you are investing hundreds of thousands into a fashion line, it’s just your time into a computer. 4:48 – Chuck makes some comments. 4:57 – Jamie mentors children from 7 – 17 years old. Works with a program, which is worldwide. Jamie helps the kids build their own games. 5:29 – Chuck: That sounds like fun! 5:35 – Seeing a side of programming where there aren’t any deadlines. 5:45 – Chuck reflects on Jamie’s previous comment. 6:03 – Jamie: It’s fun to put all of that stuff aside and watch people tinker. And hearing all of the “Oh’s and Ah’s!” 6:22 – Chuck: How did you get into Ruby? 6:31 – Jamie: Code Mash (local). Leon, in 2006/2007, was doing a workshop for Ruby, and Jamie fell in love with it. He tinkered around with it in Rails, and he was hooked ever since. 7:25 – What got you excited about it? 7:36 – A.) You had to be on Windows B.) You needed Microsoft Tooling. Just the ease of opening up a terminal, and that there was less friction – it was just easy! Jamie continues to talk about the other reasons why he fell in love with Ruby. He also enjoys the community. For him it was a good decision and it is fun for me. The fun factor is still there for me. Jamie loves Ruby. 9:22 – Chuck: What have you done in Ruby? We talked about Chatbots earlier. 9:30 – Jamie’s first project was a To Do List app. He wanted to do a task list from just one sentence. Jamie created MORALE, and it did okay for a while. That was his first app in Ruby’s. As far as open source work, Jamie hasn’t done anything that hasn’t really taken off. He created LAZINESS. Listen to this timestamp for other of Jamie’s projects and creations that he has been apart of. 11:12 – Chuck to Jamie: What are you most proud of? 11:14 – Jamie: I am most proud of teaching. I have created workshops. I see the same excitement that I had about Ruby’s. 11:49 – Chuck: It’s interesting to see what people really care about. Something I did helped someone else and their future, which is really cool. 12:29 – I am playing with Elixir now, because of Ruby, among other projects. Other projects: Pomodoro’s App and integration. 14:49 – Jamie: “Elixir is awesome. I feel like it is a perfect language for Chatbots.” 15:31 – Chuck: We will have to dive into that a little more. 16:06 – Chuck: Do you have some picks for us? 16:09 – Advertisement: Chuck’s Get A Coder Job! Links: Episode 326 of Ruby Rogues Microsoft Build Ruby Chatbot Elixir Jamie Wright’s GitHub Jamie Wright’s Twitter Chuck’s Twitter Sponsors: Code Badges Get a Coder Job Picks: Charles Disney Emoji Blitz Skitch – Evernote Jamie Book: Deep Work Go play paintball! 

Episode 164 “I Need a Job, Come Work For Me” 0:15 Derick mentions that he needs new clients. Need help wth Docker..? Josh mention that he needs to email some 12000 people for clients and building his business.  4:00 Derick mentions creating 15 emails for he launch sequence. Derick talk about doing a Jeff Walker type of launch for his project.  7:40 Derick mention that Monday is launch day, with 40 percent off for his mailing list. Derick also talks about the mistakes and challenge he encountered. Derick says he is going to use this sequence as an evergreen funnel if it works well.  11:30 Derick talks about free bonus with this Docker product. Derick says he wrote 2300 word for his most current emails. Derick say he still has to write the last chance emails. Derick says that only has been writing tons, but has not had time to build the webinar.  18:00 Chuck says he cancelled Freelance Remote Conf., and lower some prices on others. EntreProgrammers talk about  marketer and their strategies. John says he is afraid of Ministry of Tests…John says they are similar to Hell Angles.  25:00 Chuck ask what he should do as are as sponsor cost. Chuck says he is looking into trading services to cut cost.  Chuck talks about his beta test project. Josh gives some suggestion on how to keep growing a list.  31:00 John talks about opening up another sub group of 4 people at entreprogrammers.com/apply. 50 dollar application fee and 50 a month.    34:00 John   talk about hiring Native Commerce to do content production and SEO. Josh talks about getting into the zero spot for a blog post. Josh talks about the meeting with the Native Commerce people.  40:00 John talks about getting the price down to 6K a month for Native Commerce services. John says they should be able to double or triple traffic within a year. Josh talks about BlueTick.  47:00 Josh hope The EntreProgrammers are the backlink to BluetTick for request on their software. Similar to how they use to ask Rob Walling who created Drip. Chuck ask if he should check out BlueTick.  53:00 Chuck asks about key features he would need if he were to use BlueTick. Chuck talks about features challenge with Contactually. Chuck talks about reaching out to people to acquire podcast, as well as doing a survey. Chuck says people were interested in React and Elixir. Chuck talk about his ideas of this project. The EntreProgrammers gives feedback on marketing and ways to be most effective with podcasts and audiences reached.  1:05:00 Derick talk about the Elixir community and Rob Conery.  Thoughts for the Week Derick - Trust The Process John - Ignore what everyone says and do what you think is right. Chuck - Do what you want to do, but dot be afraid to ask for help.  Josh - Be willing to negotiate on things, its uncomfortable but worth it.

Panel Sam Davies (twitter github blog) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Jaim Zuber (twitter Sharp Five Software) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 00:57 - Sam Davies Introduction ShinobiControls 01:47 - Custom UI Controls 04:50 - Design-Time Experience and Documentation 09:49 - When Should You Use Custom Controls? 11:40 - Controls UISlider TableView UIView 25:40 - OpenGL CAEAGLLayer Class Reference 27:01 - Transitioning Custom Controls 30:04 - New for iOS7 Picks The iOS Design Cheat Sheet (Jaim) AFNetworking-ASIHTTPRequest (Jaim) Cocoa Controls (Ben) Lufthansa Airlines (Ben) Samarkand (Ben) Geist Dark (Ben) NSCalendar-EqualWithGranularity (Rod) JVFloatLabeledTextField (Rod) Sublime Text (Sam) Dash (Sam) Introducing iOS7 Day-by-Day (Sam) what-if.xkcd.com (Sam) Next Week iOS Game Development with Kyle Richter and Nathan Eror Transcript BEN: Sounds like you need a shot of espresso, Chuck. [Laughter] JAIM: Do pushups maybe, you know. ROD: Cold shower. CHUCK: Cold shower, yeah. [Laughs] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 26 of The iPhreaks Show! This week on our panel, we have Rod Schmidt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake City! CHUCK: Ben Scheirman. BEN: Hello from Houston! CHUCK: Jaim Zuber. JAIM: I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, doggone it, people – sorry. Hello from Minnesota! BEN: [Laughs] JAIM: Can you believe that guy is my senator? CHUCK: [Laughs] JAIM: No. He don’t get back to work. I don’t know what’s going on here. CHUCK: [Chuckles] I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv, with a quick reminder to go check out GoingRogueVideo.com. I have a 30-minute video on how I went freelance. And we also have a special guest this week, and that’s Sam Davies. SAM: Hello there from Bristol, the UK! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself for the people who don’t know who you are? SAM: Sure! I’m Sam Davies. I work now for a company called ShinobiControls, and we build various different UI controls for both iOS and for Android and things. All kinds of different things; I’m not going to [unclear] you with exactly what we do, but charting and all kinds of different to help people’s [unclear]. I stay at that life as a computer vision researcher back in the day a few years ago. I spent a while of doing that. But Academia just doesn’t really have any money so I had to leave Academia and go do something a bit more applicable so I started doing mobile development and kind of stuff at working machine over a few years ago. Now, I work as a developer evangelist so kind of writing different bits and pieces and teaching people about things as well. I like talking to devs and doing dev work as well. CHUCK: Very nice. We brought you on the show to talk about “Custom UIControls”. SAM: Yup! I guess, sure, I’d talk a little bit about what – what they are and why you would want to make custom UIcontrols. CHUCK: Yeah, that sounds like a good start to me. SAM: UIControls, we all know exactly what UIControls are because we use them all the time, but what that actually means for somebody who’s using something that really helpful for lots of different groups of people including designers, developers, and for the end user as well. They represent a common vocabulary of ways and what you interact with an app. So we’re all used to UIControls in iOS because we have things like UISliders, we have Buttons, we have segment of control, whole selection of different things, and they were really, really useful. But the question always comes when you get to the stage where you want something that doesn’t quite – whether the existing ones from iOS don’t exactly do what you want to do – you want to have something slightly different. An example I always give whenever anybody wants to talk to me about this kind of thing is,

Panel Sam Davies (twitter github blog) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Jaim Zuber (twitter Sharp Five Software) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 00:57 - Sam Davies Introduction ShinobiControls 01:47 - Custom UI Controls 04:50 - Design-Time Experience and Documentation 09:49 - When Should You Use Custom Controls? 11:40 - Controls UISlider TableView UIView 25:40 - OpenGL CAEAGLLayer Class Reference 27:01 - Transitioning Custom Controls 30:04 - New for iOS7 Picks The iOS Design Cheat Sheet (Jaim) AFNetworking-ASIHTTPRequest (Jaim) Cocoa Controls (Ben) Lufthansa Airlines (Ben) Samarkand (Ben) Geist Dark (Ben) NSCalendar-EqualWithGranularity (Rod) JVFloatLabeledTextField (Rod) Sublime Text (Sam) Dash (Sam) Introducing iOS7 Day-by-Day (Sam) what-if.xkcd.com (Sam) Next Week iOS Game Development with Kyle Richter and Nathan Eror Transcript BEN: Sounds like you need a shot of espresso, Chuck. [Laughter] JAIM: Do pushups maybe, you know. ROD: Cold shower. CHUCK: Cold shower, yeah. [Laughs] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 26 of The iPhreaks Show! This week on our panel, we have Rod Schmidt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake City! CHUCK: Ben Scheirman. BEN: Hello from Houston! CHUCK: Jaim Zuber. JAIM: I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, doggone it, people – sorry. Hello from Minnesota! BEN: [Laughs] JAIM: Can you believe that guy is my senator? CHUCK: [Laughs] JAIM: No. He don't get back to work. I don't know what's going on here. CHUCK: [Chuckles] I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv, with a quick reminder to go check out GoingRogueVideo.com. I have a 30-minute video on how I went freelance. And we also have a special guest this week, and that's Sam Davies. SAM: Hello there from Bristol, the UK! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself for the people who don't know who you are? SAM: Sure! I'm Sam Davies. I work now for a company called ShinobiControls, and we build various different UI controls for both iOS and for Android and things. All kinds of different things; I'm not going to [unclear] you with exactly what we do, but charting and all kinds of different to help people's [unclear]. I stay at that life as a computer vision researcher back in the day a few years ago. I spent a while of doing that. But Academia just doesn't really have any money so I had to leave Academia and go do something a bit more applicable so I started doing mobile development and kind of stuff at working machine over a few years ago. Now, I work as a developer evangelist so kind of writing different bits and pieces and teaching people about things as well. I like talking to devs and doing dev work as well. CHUCK: Very nice. We brought you on the show to talk about “Custom UIControls”. SAM: Yup! I guess, sure, I'd talk a little bit about what – what they are and why you would want to make custom UIcontrols. CHUCK: Yeah, that sounds like a good start to me. SAM: UIControls, we all know exactly what UIControls are because we use them all the time, but what that actually means for somebody who's using something that really helpful for lots of different groups of people including designers, developers, and for the end user as well. They represent a common vocabulary of ways and what you interact with an app. So we're all used to UIControls in iOS because we have things like UISliders, we have Buttons, we have segment of control, whole selection of different things, and they were really, really useful. But the question always comes when you get to the stage where you want something that doesn't quite – whether the existing ones from iOS don't exactly do what you want to do – you want to have something slightly different. An example I always give whenever anybody wants to talk to me about this kind of thing is,

Panel Patrick Burleson (twitter github blog) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Andrew Madsen (twitter github blog) Jaim Zuber (twitter Sharp Five Software) Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 00:27 - Going Rogue Video 00:42 - Patrick Burleson Introduction BitBQ MartianCraft Briefs 01:23 - Build Automation 02:10 - Continuous Integration Changes xcodebuild Ben: Running objective-c tests from the command line (with color) 07:51 - Testing xctool 10:29 - Automation on a development machine 11:04 - Things to Automate 14:14 - XCode 5 Build Automation 20:08 - Automation Bamboo Version Numbers agvtool cupertino (and friends) 29:50 - Certification 33:21 - Build Time Screenshot Lightning guard-xctool-test Picks iOS Background Fetch example (Andrew) sprint.ly (Andrew) ASCIIwwdc (Ben) Blues Junior™ III: Hot Rod (Ben) guitarjamzdotcom (Ben) iOS 7 by Tutorials (Ben) Pappy's Smokehouse (Pete) Go (Pete) Bombay By Boat - Moonlight (Pete) xcoder (Pete) xcodebuild-rb (Pete) Paulaner Oktoberfest Bier® (Jaim) Pitching Radar (Rod) Rich Hickey (Rod) ShareMouse (Chuck) Tweetbot (Chuck) Michael Vey (Chuck) Fogo de Chao (Patrick) Briefs (Patrick) Black Bar (Patrick) Test iOS Apps with UI Automation: Bug Hunting Made Easy by Jonathan Penn (Patrick) Bamboo (Patrick) Alfred App (Patrick) Next Week 64-Bit with Mike Ash Transcript CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 23 of the iPhreaks Show! This week on our panel, we have Rod Schmidt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake! CHUCK: Ben Scheirman. BEN: Hello from Houston! CHUCK: Andrew Madsen. ANDREW: Hi from Salt Lake! CHUCK: Jaim Zuber. JAIM: Hello from Minneapolis! CHUCK: Pete Hodgson. PETE: Hello from a very warm conference room. CHUCK: I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. Before we get going, I want to briefly just remind you that I have put up the GoingRogueVideo.com, where I put up the video talking about how I went freelance. If you’re interested in that, you can go check it out there. We also have a special guest, and that’s Patrick Burleson. PATRICK: Hello from Dallas, Texas! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself since you haven’t been on the show before? PATRICK: Sure! My name is Patrick Burleson. I run BitBQ software, which is BitBQ.com. I also do quite a bit of consulting with MartianCraft, and also MartianCraft.com – they are the makers of the design application called Briefs. CHUCK: Cool! BEN: That was a previous pick of the show! CHUCK: Yup! PATRICK: Awesome! PETE: We should do an episode about Briefs. PATRICK: You should! I will probably get your wrap on the show. CHUCK: That’d be awesome. Then we could do one on boxers. BEN: Yup, quite a history. PATRICK: Yes, Briefs has a very long history. CHUCK: That’d be really interesting. We brought you on to talk about “Build Automation”. PATRICK: Yeah! Build Automation is something that I think everyone should probably definitely look into even if you’re on a team or even a solo developer. That sounds crazy to some people why would a solo developer want to have a build automation…The way I look at it is, on my solo stuff, I want a computer doing as much of the work as I can make it to without me having to get in the way. Automating your build is one of those things where with a click of a button, I can update and ship a new version of any of my products or ship out a beta or whatever. It makes it very, very easy and also reduces the number of mistakes you can make. You don’t have to do anything manually; there’s a chance for a mistake. CHUCK: So it’s just kind of like continuous integration? PATRICK: Yeah, it is a lot like continuous integration. You can use it 2 different ways.

Panel Patrick Burleson (twitter github blog) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Andrew Madsen (twitter github blog) Jaim Zuber (twitter Sharp Five Software) Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 00:27 - Going Rogue Video 00:42 - Patrick Burleson Introduction BitBQ MartianCraft Briefs 01:23 - Build Automation 02:10 - Continuous Integration Changes xcodebuild Ben: Running objective-c tests from the command line (with color) 07:51 - Testing xctool 10:29 - Automation on a development machine 11:04 - Things to Automate 14:14 - XCode 5 Build Automation 20:08 - Automation Bamboo Version Numbers agvtool cupertino (and friends) 29:50 - Certification 33:21 - Build Time Screenshot Lightning guard-xctool-test Picks iOS Background Fetch example (Andrew) sprint.ly (Andrew) ASCIIwwdc (Ben) Blues Junior™ III: Hot Rod (Ben) guitarjamzdotcom (Ben) iOS 7 by Tutorials (Ben) Pappy's Smokehouse (Pete) Go (Pete) Bombay By Boat - Moonlight (Pete) xcoder (Pete) xcodebuild-rb (Pete) Paulaner Oktoberfest Bier® (Jaim) Pitching Radar (Rod) Rich Hickey (Rod) ShareMouse (Chuck) Tweetbot (Chuck) Michael Vey (Chuck) Fogo de Chao (Patrick) Briefs (Patrick) Black Bar (Patrick) Test iOS Apps with UI Automation: Bug Hunting Made Easy by Jonathan Penn (Patrick) Bamboo (Patrick) Alfred App (Patrick) Next Week 64-Bit with Mike Ash Transcript CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 23 of the iPhreaks Show! This week on our panel, we have Rod Schmidt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake! CHUCK: Ben Scheirman. BEN: Hello from Houston! CHUCK: Andrew Madsen. ANDREW: Hi from Salt Lake! CHUCK: Jaim Zuber. JAIM: Hello from Minneapolis! CHUCK: Pete Hodgson. PETE: Hello from a very warm conference room. CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. Before we get going, I want to briefly just remind you that I have put up the GoingRogueVideo.com, where I put up the video talking about how I went freelance. If you're interested in that, you can go check it out there. We also have a special guest, and that's Patrick Burleson. PATRICK: Hello from Dallas, Texas! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself since you haven't been on the show before? PATRICK: Sure! My name is Patrick Burleson. I run BitBQ software, which is BitBQ.com. I also do quite a bit of consulting with MartianCraft, and also MartianCraft.com – they are the makers of the design application called Briefs. CHUCK: Cool! BEN: That was a previous pick of the show! CHUCK: Yup! PATRICK: Awesome! PETE: We should do an episode about Briefs. PATRICK: You should! I will probably get your wrap on the show. CHUCK: That'd be awesome. Then we could do one on boxers. BEN: Yup, quite a history. PATRICK: Yes, Briefs has a very long history. CHUCK: That'd be really interesting. We brought you on to talk about “Build Automation”. PATRICK: Yeah! Build Automation is something that I think everyone should probably definitely look into even if you're on a team or even a solo developer. That sounds crazy to some people why would a solo developer want to have a build automation…The way I look at it is, on my solo stuff, I want a computer doing as much of the work as I can make it to without me having to get in the way. Automating your build is one of those things where with a click of a button, I can update and ship a new version of any of my products or ship out a beta or whatever. It makes it very, very easy and also reduces the number of mistakes you can make. You don't have to do anything manually; there's a chance for a mistake. CHUCK: So it's just kind of like continuous integration? PATRICK: Yeah, it is a lot like continuous integration. You can use it 2 different ways.

Panel Curtis McHale (twitter github blog) Eric Davis (twitter github blog) Reuven Lerner (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:41 - Subscribers 04:02 - Email Lists vs Blog Content Freelance Funnel 11:39 - Content Updates 16:31 - Layout, Servers, Services & Personalization MailChimp Aweber CSS Support in Email Eric Davis: My simple HTML email template 34:02 - Launching Products Nathan Barry: How To Launch Anything Soft Sale/Hard Sale Email Frequency 40:17 - Email Courses Rails Security Controller Refactoring Course Picks Aweber (Eric) MailChimp (Eric) premailer (Eric) Logitech C920 (Curtis) Zotero (Reuven) Unsubscribing (Reuven) Patience (Chuck) Twitter Bootstrap (Chuck) Book Club Book Yourself Solid: The Fastest, Easiest, and Most Reliable System for Getting More Clients Than You Can Handle Even if You Hate Marketing and Selling ! He will join us for an episode to discuss the book on September 24th. The episode will air on October 3rd. Next Week SEO with Mike Brooks and Stephen Gardner Transcript CHUCK: When I speak robot, I sound like R2-D2. [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net.] [You're fantastic at code, but do you have an action plan to take it to the next level? The upcoming book, Next Level Freelance, will help you optimize your freelance business for happiness. The book is packed with actionable steps to make more money, case studies, tips to find more clients, and exercises for you to establish your desired lifestyle. Extras include: 9 interviews with freelancers who make great money while enjoying great work-life balance, videos on strategies to find quality subcontractors, and videos on making more free time by outsourcing your daily tasks. Check it out today at nextlevelfreelance.com!] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 74 of The Freelancers' Show! This week on our panel, we have Curtis MacHale. CURTIS: Good day! CHUCK: Eric Davis. ERIC: Hello! CHUCK: Reuven Lerner. REUVEN: Hi everyone! CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. This week, we're going to be talking about "Email Lists". One thing I want to say before we get started, one of the reasons I do this show is to help me kind of get business. It looks like I'm going to have a slight low, so if you need help with your Ruby programming, let me know. Alright -- ERIC: Hey, wait! Chuck, I need help with my Ruby programming, can I let you know? CHUCK: Do you have money? [Laughter] ERIC: Oh... REUVEN: This is not a typical interaction they help. [Laughter] CHUCK: Anyway, let's talk about email lists. I'm sure you guys, or at least some of you guys, have email lists that you manage, or email lists that you don't manage. CURTIS: Yeah, it's the both. CHUCK: [Laughs] Yeah, that's much more my case. I'm a little bit curious, do any of you have more than a few hundred subscribers in any of your lists? ERIC: I have a little less than 700 on my main list right now; I have the dashboard in front of me. CHUCK: Awesome! REUVEN: I don't run a list for my work, but I run a community list that is about 2700 people on it. CHUCK: Well, if you're talking about something like Ruby Rogues Parley, then I have one. [Laughter] CHUCK: I don't really think of it that way. I don't go and -- I participate in as opposed to send out updates or however you want to talk about -- ERIC: Yeah, the exclusive person on it. REUVEN: Right. CHUCK: Yeah. And maybe we can talk about those lists, too. But I was thinking more along the lines of the newsletter lists or the marketing lists or whatever you want to call them. CURTIS: My main one up until real recently was from my first book that I wrote about becoming a WordPress development professional. I've sent out a few emails on that,

Panel Curtis McHale (twitter github blog) Eric Davis (twitter github blog) Reuven Lerner (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:41 - Subscribers 04:02 - Email Lists vs Blog Content Freelance Funnel 11:39 - Content Updates 16:31 - Layout, Servers, Services & Personalization MailChimp Aweber CSS Support in Email Eric Davis: My simple HTML email template 34:02 - Launching Products Nathan Barry: How To Launch Anything Soft Sale/Hard Sale Email Frequency 40:17 - Email Courses Rails Security Controller Refactoring Course Picks Aweber (Eric) MailChimp (Eric) premailer (Eric) Logitech C920 (Curtis) Zotero (Reuven) Unsubscribing (Reuven) Patience (Chuck) Twitter Bootstrap (Chuck) Book Club Book Yourself Solid: The Fastest, Easiest, and Most Reliable System for Getting More Clients Than You Can Handle Even if You Hate Marketing and Selling ! He will join us for an episode to discuss the book on September 24th. The episode will air on October 3rd. Next Week SEO with Mike Brooks and Stephen Gardner Transcript CHUCK: When I speak robot, I sound like R2-D2. [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net.] [You're fantastic at code, but do you have an action plan to take it to the next level? The upcoming book, Next Level Freelance, will help you optimize your freelance business for happiness. The book is packed with actionable steps to make more money, case studies, tips to find more clients, and exercises for you to establish your desired lifestyle. Extras include: 9 interviews with freelancers who make great money while enjoying great work-life balance, videos on strategies to find quality subcontractors, and videos on making more free time by outsourcing your daily tasks. Check it out today at nextlevelfreelance.com!] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 74 of The Freelancers' Show! This week on our panel, we have Curtis MacHale. CURTIS: Good day! CHUCK: Eric Davis. ERIC: Hello! CHUCK: Reuven Lerner. REUVEN: Hi everyone! CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. This week, we're going to be talking about "Email Lists". One thing I want to say before we get started, one of the reasons I do this show is to help me kind of get business. It looks like I'm going to have a slight low, so if you need help with your Ruby programming, let me know. Alright -- ERIC: Hey, wait! Chuck, I need help with my Ruby programming, can I let you know? CHUCK: Do you have money? [Laughter] ERIC: Oh... REUVEN: This is not a typical interaction they help. [Laughter] CHUCK: Anyway, let's talk about email lists. I'm sure you guys, or at least some of you guys, have email lists that you manage, or email lists that you don't manage. CURTIS: Yeah, it's the both. CHUCK: [Laughs] Yeah, that's much more my case. I'm a little bit curious, do any of you have more than a few hundred subscribers in any of your lists? ERIC: I have a little less than 700 on my main list right now; I have the dashboard in front of me. CHUCK: Awesome! REUVEN: I don't run a list for my work, but I run a community list that is about 2700 people on it. CHUCK: Well, if you're talking about something like Ruby Rogues Parley, then I have one. [Laughter] CHUCK: I don't really think of it that way. I don't go and -- I participate in as opposed to send out updates or however you want to talk about -- ERIC: Yeah, the exclusive person on it. REUVEN: Right. CHUCK: Yeah. And maybe we can talk about those lists, too. But I was thinking more along the lines of the newsletter lists or the marketing lists or whatever you want to call them. CURTIS: My main one up until real recently was from my first book that I wrote about becoming a WordPress development professional. I've sent out a few emails on that,

Panel Jaim Zuber (twitter Sharp Five Software) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Andrew Madsen (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:10 - Jaim Zuber Introduction 02:15 - Integrating somebody else’s code into your project without using Cocoapods Dragging & dropping source files Static Library Approach Frameworks Circumventing 10:38 - Cocoapods Libraries Cocoa Controls 12:37 - Frequently Used Pods AFNetworking RestKit ocmock Kiwi SVProgressHUD BlocksKit 15:29 - Getting a Pod into a Library or Application Versioning Multiple Targets Specifying a Path to a Repository Handling Multiple Platforms 28:07 - RubyMotion and Cocoapods motion-cocoapods 29:29 - Using Cocoapods on Client Work 30:08 - Testing 32:17 - Creating Your Own Pods Hosting Dependencies Picks Objective-C Modules (Andrew) UTAsync (Jaim) CocoaPods Xcode Plugin (Rod) VVDocumenter (Rod) CocoaDocs (Ben) cocoapods-xcode-plugin (Ben) Getting Things Done by David Allen (Chuck) Omnifocus (Chuck) Next Week The Developer Portal Transcript [This show is sponsored by The Pragmatic Studio. The Pragmatic Studio has been teaching iOS development since November of 2008. They have a 4-day hands-on course where you'll learn all the tools, APIs, and techniques to build iOS Apps with confidence and understand how all the pieces work together. They have two courses coming up: the first one is in July, from the 22nd - 25th, in Western Virginia, and you can get early registration up through June 21st; you can also sign up for their August course, and that's August 26th - 29th in Denver, Colorado, and you can get early registration through July 26th. If you want a private course for teams of 5 developers or more, you can also sign up on their website at pragmaticstudio.com.] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 15 of the iPhreaks Show! This week on our panel, we have Ben Scheirman. BEN: Hello from Houston! CHUCK: We have Rod Schmidt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake! CHUCK: Andrew Madsen. ANDREW: Hello also from Salt Lake! CHUCK: And we have a new guest panelist, that is Jaim Zuber. JAIM: Hello from Minneapolis! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself really quickly since you're new to the show? JAIM: Sure, happy to! Independent consultants, I've been doing iOS stuff for about 2-3 years; before that, I did some kind of .NET stuff. Way before that, I did a lot of C++ and C stuff in kind of the past life. But, yeah, I'm doing iOS right now, mobile stuff, and enjoying it! CHUCK: Sounds good! I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. This week, we're going to talk about "CocoaPods". BEN: Yay! CHUCK: [Laughs] ROD: [Chuckles] JAIM: I'm cuckoo for CocoaPods. CHUCK: There we go. JAIM: [Laughs] BEN: I'm a super fan of CocoaPods. I wonder if we have any haters in the audience, or on the panel. ANDREW: Yeah, I'm the hater. BEN: [Inaudible] ANDREW: Not really. BEN: Okay [laughs]. ANDREW: I just don't use it. BEN: You say you're the dissenting opinion? ANDREW: I can do that, sure. CHUCK: I've had people basically say, "Well, it's just like having bundler - bundlers of utility in Ruby for iOS!" I was like, "Oh! That sounds nice." But that doesn't really tell me necessarily how it works. BEN: So can we start off by maybe describing what it takes to integrate somebody else's code into your project without something like CocoaPods? ROD: [Chuckles] CHUCK: Yes. Yes, let's frame the public. BEN: Anybody want to describe this for like, say, a moderately complex library? ANDREW: It depends on how complicated the library is. But at its simplest, you can just drag source code from their project into yours and add it to your project, and that's it. But I think,

Panel Jaim Zuber (twitter Sharp Five Software) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Andrew Madsen (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:10 - Jaim Zuber Introduction 02:15 - Integrating somebody else's code into your project without using Cocoapods Dragging & dropping source files Static Library Approach Frameworks Circumventing 10:38 - Cocoapods Libraries Cocoa Controls 12:37 - Frequently Used Pods AFNetworking RestKit ocmock Kiwi SVProgressHUD BlocksKit 15:29 - Getting a Pod into a Library or Application Versioning Multiple Targets Specifying a Path to a Repository Handling Multiple Platforms 28:07 - RubyMotion and Cocoapods motion-cocoapods 29:29 - Using Cocoapods on Client Work 30:08 - Testing 32:17 - Creating Your Own Pods Hosting Dependencies Picks Objective-C Modules (Andrew) UTAsync (Jaim) CocoaPods Xcode Plugin (Rod) VVDocumenter (Rod) CocoaDocs (Ben) cocoapods-xcode-plugin (Ben) Getting Things Done by David Allen (Chuck) Omnifocus (Chuck) Next Week The Developer Portal Transcript [This show is sponsored by The Pragmatic Studio. The Pragmatic Studio has been teaching iOS development since November of 2008. They have a 4-day hands-on course where you'll learn all the tools, APIs, and techniques to build iOS Apps with confidence and understand how all the pieces work together. They have two courses coming up: the first one is in July, from the 22nd - 25th, in Western Virginia, and you can get early registration up through June 21st; you can also sign up for their August course, and that's August 26th - 29th in Denver, Colorado, and you can get early registration through July 26th. If you want a private course for teams of 5 developers or more, you can also sign up on their website at pragmaticstudio.com.] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 15 of the iPhreaks Show! This week on our panel, we have Ben Scheirman. BEN: Hello from Houston! CHUCK: We have Rod Schmidt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake! CHUCK: Andrew Madsen. ANDREW: Hello also from Salt Lake! CHUCK: And we have a new guest panelist, that is Jaim Zuber. JAIM: Hello from Minneapolis! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself really quickly since you're new to the show? JAIM: Sure, happy to! Independent consultants, I've been doing iOS stuff for about 2-3 years; before that, I did some kind of .NET stuff. Way before that, I did a lot of C++ and C stuff in kind of the past life. But, yeah, I'm doing iOS right now, mobile stuff, and enjoying it! CHUCK: Sounds good! I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. This week, we're going to talk about "CocoaPods". BEN: Yay! CHUCK: [Laughs] ROD: [Chuckles] JAIM: I'm cuckoo for CocoaPods. CHUCK: There we go. JAIM: [Laughs] BEN: I'm a super fan of CocoaPods. I wonder if we have any haters in the audience, or on the panel. ANDREW: Yeah, I'm the hater. BEN: [Inaudible] ANDREW: Not really. BEN: Okay [laughs]. ANDREW: I just don't use it. BEN: You say you're the dissenting opinion? ANDREW: I can do that, sure. CHUCK: I've had people basically say, "Well, it's just like having bundler - bundlers of utility in Ruby for iOS!" I was like, "Oh! That sounds nice." But that doesn't really tell me necessarily how it works. BEN: So can we start off by maybe describing what it takes to integrate somebody else's code into your project without something like CocoaPods? ROD: [Chuckles] CHUCK: Yes. Yes, let's frame the public. BEN: Anybody want to describe this for like, say, a moderately complex library? ANDREW: It depends on how complicated the library is. But at its simplest, you can just drag source code from their project into yours and add it to your project, and that's it. But I think,

Panel Sam Soffes (twitter github blog) Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:13 - Sam Soffes Introduction Seesaw/@Seesaw 01:46 - Roon.io/@roon_app Drew Wilson Octopress 03:03 - Open Source in iOS Writing Tests Flurry TestFlight PLCrashReporter 09:00 - Open Sourcing Projects cheddar-ios Licensing 13:19 - Shared code between iOS and Mac 004 iPhreaks Show - Mac Development with Josh Abernathy Categories 17:48 - Contributions, Pull Requests & Bug Fixes 20:15 - Open Source Libraries CocoaPods 28:40 - Finding Reliable Libraries Rating Activity READMEs Cocoa Controls 32:44 - Contributing to Open Source Projects Consistency (tabs vs spaces) Testing Squashing Commits Submitting Code/Changes 38:09 - Cleaning Up Pull Requests 41:08 - Open Source at Seesaw SEEActivityIndicatorView Picks semver.org (Ben) Anker Astro3E Portable External Battery Pack (Ben) Cards Against Humanity (Ben) Travis CI (Pete) Pete Hodgson: Using Travis CI and xctool to build and test iOS apps (Pete) Reading Application Licenses (Pete) AppCoreKit (Rod) WatchESPN AppleTV App (Rod) Put Objective-C Back On The Map (Ben) David Siteman Garland: Create Awesome Online Courses (Chuck) How to Write a Nonfiction eBook in 21 Days by Steve Scott (Chuck) Amazon Prime (Chuck) Kickoff App (Sam) redcarpet (Sam) Next Week Backends Transcript [This show is sponsored by The Pragmatic Studio. The Pragmatic Studio has been teaching iOS development since November of 2008. They have a 4-day hands-on course where you'll learn all the tools, APIs, and techniques to build iOS Apps with confidence and understand how all the pieces work together. They have two courses coming up: the first one is in July, from the 22nd - 25th, in Western Virginia, and you can get early registration up through June 21st; you can also sign up for their August course, and that's August 26th - 29th in Denver, Colorado, and you can get early registration through July 26th. If you want a private course for teams of 5 developers or more, you can also sign up on their website at pragmaticstudio.com.] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 12 of iPhreaks! This week on our panel, we have Pete Hodgson. PETE: Buongiorno from rainy San Francisco this morning! CHUCK: Ben Scheirman. BEN: I can give you a very jet lagged hello from Houston! CHUCK: Rod Schimdt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake City! CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. This week, we have a special guest and that's Sam Soffes. Alright! SAM: Hello! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself real quick? SAM: Sure! I live in Kentucky right now. I work in a company called "Seesaw". I'm working on a bunch of little projects; Roon had been my main side project right now. CHUCK: Awesome. BEN: That's Roon, R-O-O-N.io, right? SAM: You got it! BEN: Yeah, I'm primed I've got the best username. All I need to do now is blog a little bit. [Laughter] BEN: So Roon is like a blogging platform. What makes it kind of compelling in comparison to some of the other things that are out there? SAM: It's a product I did with Drew Wilson. If you're not familiar with his work, he's a spectacular designer. I always wanted it that makes it really simple that we wanted to use, and hopefully other people wanted to use, too, so he just made something really simple that's really beautiful, and there's also a native iPhone app. The iPad app is like the universal, it's almost done; I'm submitting it, hopefully, this week. And we have a Mac app in the Pipeline. It's just like we wanted to make a really good writing experience that's simple and pretty and hopefully people like it. CHUCK: Awesome. BEN: Yeah,

Panel Sam Soffes (twitter github blog) Pete Hodgson (twitter github blog) Ben Scheirman (twitter github blog NSSreencast) Rod Schmidt (twitter github infiniteNIL) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:13 - Sam Soffes Introduction Seesaw/@Seesaw 01:46 - Roon.io/@roon_app Drew Wilson Octopress 03:03 - Open Source in iOS Writing Tests Flurry TestFlight PLCrashReporter 09:00 - Open Sourcing Projects cheddar-ios Licensing 13:19 - Shared code between iOS and Mac 004 iPhreaks Show - Mac Development with Josh Abernathy Categories 17:48 - Contributions, Pull Requests & Bug Fixes 20:15 - Open Source Libraries CocoaPods 28:40 - Finding Reliable Libraries Rating Activity READMEs Cocoa Controls 32:44 - Contributing to Open Source Projects Consistency (tabs vs spaces) Testing Squashing Commits Submitting Code/Changes 38:09 - Cleaning Up Pull Requests 41:08 - Open Source at Seesaw SEEActivityIndicatorView Picks semver.org (Ben) Anker Astro3E Portable External Battery Pack (Ben) Cards Against Humanity (Ben) Travis CI (Pete) Pete Hodgson: Using Travis CI and xctool to build and test iOS apps (Pete) Reading Application Licenses (Pete) AppCoreKit (Rod) WatchESPN AppleTV App (Rod) Put Objective-C Back On The Map (Ben) David Siteman Garland: Create Awesome Online Courses (Chuck) How to Write a Nonfiction eBook in 21 Days by Steve Scott (Chuck) Amazon Prime (Chuck) Kickoff App (Sam) redcarpet (Sam) Next Week Backends Transcript [This show is sponsored by The Pragmatic Studio. The Pragmatic Studio has been teaching iOS development since November of 2008. They have a 4-day hands-on course where you'll learn all the tools, APIs, and techniques to build iOS Apps with confidence and understand how all the pieces work together. They have two courses coming up: the first one is in July, from the 22nd - 25th, in Western Virginia, and you can get early registration up through June 21st; you can also sign up for their August course, and that's August 26th - 29th in Denver, Colorado, and you can get early registration through July 26th. If you want a private course for teams of 5 developers or more, you can also sign up on their website at pragmaticstudio.com.] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 12 of iPhreaks! This week on our panel, we have Pete Hodgson. PETE: Buongiorno from rainy San Francisco this morning! CHUCK: Ben Scheirman. BEN: I can give you a very jet lagged hello from Houston! CHUCK: Rod Schimdt. ROD: Hello from Salt Lake City! CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. This week, we have a special guest and that's Sam Soffes. Alright! SAM: Hello! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself real quick? SAM: Sure! I live in Kentucky right now. I work in a company called "Seesaw". I'm working on a bunch of little projects; Roon had been my main side project right now. CHUCK: Awesome. BEN: That's Roon, R-O-O-N.io, right? SAM: You got it! BEN: Yeah, I'm primed I've got the best username. All I need to do now is blog a little bit. [Laughter] BEN: So Roon is like a blogging platform. What makes it kind of compelling in comparison to some of the other things that are out there? SAM: It's a product I did with Drew Wilson. If you're not familiar with his work, he's a spectacular designer. I always wanted it that makes it really simple that we wanted to use, and hopefully other people wanted to use, too, so he just made something really simple that's really beautiful, and there's also a native iPhone app. The iPad app is like the universal, it's almost done; I'm submitting it, hopefully, this week. And we have a Mac app in the Pipeline. It's just like we wanted to make a really good writing experience that's simple and pretty and hopefully people like it. CHUCK: Awesome. BEN: Yeah,

Panel Ashe Dryden (twitter github blog) Eric Davis (twitter github blog) Evan Light (twitter github blog) Jeff Schoolcraft (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 00:48 - Ashe Dryden Introduction Indie Developer and Conference Organizer from Madison, Wisconsin 02:39 - Contracts Signing yours vs theirs Having a contract The Ruby Freelancers Show 049 - Contracts with Attorney Jared Richards 09:08 - Working with Down Payments and Deposits 10:35 - Clients asking you to reduce your hourly rate or paying you in something other than money 13:26 - Discovery (DaaS - Discovery as a Service) 19:35 - Referral-based Work 20:58 - Business Hours & Availability Poor Project Management Needy Clients Setting clients up to work in a way that works well for you 26:28 - Clients treating consultants and contractors as employees Points of contact 31:49 - Clients not knowing what they want 33:58 - Signing unreasonable non-compete agreements 37:57 - Timelines and Deliverables Asking clients for what you need to do your work/keep deadlines Setting expectations before work begins 45:05 - Communication Meeting in the middle Has the client worked with a freelancer before? 48:02 - Deal Breakers Expertise Conflicts Emergency Deadlines 55:20 - Managing Non-Payment Non-refundable Deposits One strike, two strike approach Mike Monteiro | F*ck You. Pay Me.  (Video, NSFW/language) Freelance Contracts That Anyone Can Understand: Ashe Dryden ashedryden / freelance-contract 58:53 - Client Respect Disappearing Clients Punctuality Meeting Agendas Meetings Picks Arduino (Eric) amperka / ino (Eric) Block Fortress (Evan) Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra Star Trek TNG Shirt | eBay (Evan) Sevabot (Jeff) Google Calendar (Chuck) Amazon S3 (Chuck) graze (Ashe) Gittip (Ashe) DAYTUM (Ashe) Next Week Better Communications with Clients, Prospects, and other Contractors with Jenn Swanson (Communication Diva) Transcript CHUCK: That's true. I have pretty high tolerance for a lot of things. EVAN: Well, you work with Dave Brady, right? [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 54 of The Ruby Freelancers Show. This week on our panel, we have Eric Davis. ERIC: Hello! CHUCK: Evan Light. EVAN: It's really episode 42.. CHUCK: Jeff Schoolcraft. JEFF: What's up! CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv. We have a special guest this week, Ashe Dryden. ASHE: Hi there! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself really quickly since you haven't been on the show? ASHE: Yeah, that's fine. My name is Ashe Dryden, obviously. I live in Madison, Wisconsin; I'm an indie developer and conference organizer, and generally, community harasser. CHUCK: [laughs] Yes. EVAN: It fits in the one who are troublemaker. [laughter] CHUCK: Yup. We're learning from the best. [Evan laughs] CHUCK: Anyway, this week we're going to be talking about "Red Flags" with potential and current clients. It was interesting the way it came about. I had been fighting with -- I don't want to use the word 'fighting' -- but I had been emailing former client who hadn't paid me for probably like 7 or 8 months. And so there was this whole discussion that we had on Twitter about deposits and things like that, and Ashe mentioned that she has this list -- I don't know if it's a formal list or kind of a mental list -- of red flags that she watches for. So we thought we'd get her on the show to see what red flags she has for current client, some potential clients. I'm sure we all have things to add and experience that we've had with clients that can tell you that some -- EVAN: Oh, no! All my clients have been saints, so I don't know what you're talking about. [silence]

Panel Ashe Dryden (twitter github blog) Eric Davis (twitter github blog) Evan Light (twitter github blog) Jeff Schoolcraft (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 00:48 - Ashe Dryden Introduction Indie Developer and Conference Organizer from Madison, Wisconsin 02:39 - Contracts Signing yours vs theirs Having a contract The Ruby Freelancers Show 049 - Contracts with Attorney Jared Richards 09:08 - Working with Down Payments and Deposits 10:35 - Clients asking you to reduce your hourly rate or paying you in something other than money 13:26 - Discovery (DaaS - Discovery as a Service) 19:35 - Referral-based Work 20:58 - Business Hours & Availability Poor Project Management Needy Clients Setting clients up to work in a way that works well for you 26:28 - Clients treating consultants and contractors as employees Points of contact 31:49 - Clients not knowing what they want 33:58 - Signing unreasonable non-compete agreements 37:57 - Timelines and Deliverables Asking clients for what you need to do your work/keep deadlines Setting expectations before work begins 45:05 - Communication Meeting in the middle Has the client worked with a freelancer before? 48:02 - Deal Breakers Expertise Conflicts Emergency Deadlines 55:20 - Managing Non-Payment Non-refundable Deposits One strike, two strike approach Mike Monteiro | F*ck You. Pay Me.  (Video, NSFW/language) Freelance Contracts That Anyone Can Understand: Ashe Dryden ashedryden / freelance-contract 58:53 - Client Respect Disappearing Clients Punctuality Meeting Agendas Meetings Picks Arduino (Eric) amperka / ino (Eric) Block Fortress (Evan) Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra Star Trek TNG Shirt | eBay (Evan) Sevabot (Jeff) Google Calendar (Chuck) Amazon S3 (Chuck) graze (Ashe) Gittip (Ashe) DAYTUM (Ashe) Next Week Better Communications with Clients, Prospects, and other Contractors with Jenn Swanson (Communication Diva) Transcript CHUCK: That's true. I have pretty high tolerance for a lot of things. EVAN: Well, you work with Dave Brady, right? [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net] CHUCK: Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 54 of The Ruby Freelancers Show. This week on our panel, we have Eric Davis. ERIC: Hello! CHUCK: Evan Light. EVAN: It's really episode 42.. CHUCK: Jeff Schoolcraft. JEFF: What's up! CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv. We have a special guest this week, Ashe Dryden. ASHE: Hi there! CHUCK: Do you want to introduce yourself really quickly since you haven't been on the show? ASHE: Yeah, that's fine. My name is Ashe Dryden, obviously. I live in Madison, Wisconsin; I'm an indie developer and conference organizer, and generally, community harasser. CHUCK: [laughs] Yes. EVAN: It fits in the one who are troublemaker. [laughter] CHUCK: Yup. We're learning from the best. [Evan laughs] CHUCK: Anyway, this week we're going to be talking about "Red Flags" with potential and current clients. It was interesting the way it came about. I had been fighting with -- I don't want to use the word 'fighting' -- but I had been emailing former client who hadn't paid me for probably like 7 or 8 months. And so there was this whole discussion that we had on Twitter about deposits and things like that, and Ashe mentioned that she has this list -- I don't know if it's a formal list or kind of a mental list -- of red flags that she watches for. So we thought we'd get her on the show to see what red flags she has for current client, some potential clients. I'm sure we all have things to add and experience that we've had with clients that can tell you that some -- EVAN: Oh, no! All my clients have been saints, so I don't know what you're talking about. [silence]