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Episode 13 | The Effortless PodcastIn this episode of The Effortless Podcast, hosts Dheeraj Pandey and Amit Prakash sit down with Dr. Sonika Johri, Founder and CEO of Coherent Computing, to dive deep into the revolutionary world of quantum computing. Dr. Johri, a physicist with a PhD in condensed matter physics from Princeton University, takes us on her journey from engineering physics at IIT Delhi to becoming a leading figure in the quantum industry, having worked at Intel and IonQ.Sonika explains the core concepts of quantum computing—superposition, entanglement, and the quantum state space—and how they fundamentally change how we approach complex problems in fields like chemistry, material science, and AI. She discusses the future potential of quantum technologies, including the exciting prospects for Quantum AI and the shift in programming paradigms as we move from low-level machine code to higher-level abstractions.They also cover: The evolution of quantum hardware: From small qubits to scaling quantum systemsWhat makes quantum computing different from classical computingThe intersection of quantum computing and artificial intelligence Sonika's mission to democratize quantum through Coherent ComputingThe current state of quantum software and the tools that will shape the futureThis episode offers insights into quantum computing, AI, and how these emerging technologies will reshape the future of computing. Whether you're a tech enthusiast, developer, or entrepreneur, this conversation is a must-listen for anyone curious about the next frontier in technology.Key Topics & Timestamps:[00:00] – Introduction to Dr. Sonika Johri & Her Journey into Quantum Tech[03:00] – Sonika's early influences: Einstein and IIT Delhi[06:30] – Understanding Condensed Matter Physics[12:00] – Quantum Computing vs Classical Computing[20:00] – How Quantum Can Solve Complex Problems (Chemistry, Optimization, AI)[28:00] – Quantum Hardware: The Role of Qubits and Their Physical Realization[35:00] – Programming Quantum Computers: From Low-Level Gates to High-Level Abstractions[43:00] – Building Quantum Applications: Real-World Use Cases from IonQ and Coherent Computing[52:00] – The Future of Quantum AI: Machine Learning and Quantum Reasoning[1:00:00] – Quantum's Impact on Cryptography and Data Security[1:05:00] – The Mission of Coherent Computing: Making Quantum Accessible[1:12:00] – Looking Ahead: Future Episodes on Quantum Computing and AI[1:20:00] – Wrap-Up and Final ThoughtsHosts:Dheeraj Pandey: Co-founder and CEO at DevRev, formerly CEO of Nutanix, a tech visionary passionate about AI and systems thinking.Amit Prakash: Co-founder and CTO at ThoughtSpot, former engineer at Google and Microsoft, and expert in distributed systems and machine learning.Guest:Dr. Sonika Johri: Founder and CEO of Coherent Computing, a quantum software startup aiming to make quantum models accessible through developer-friendly tools. Formerly at Intel and IonQ, Sonika brings her experience in building quantum software and applications for industries like finance, chemistry, and optimization.Follow the Host and the Guest:Dheeraj Pandey: LinkedIn | XAmit Prakash: LinkedIn | XDr. Sonika Johri: LinkedIn | XHave questions or thoughts on quantum computing? Drop us a mail at EffortlessPodcastHQ@gmail.comDon't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more deep dives into the future of technology, AI, and quantum computing!
Dheeraj Pandey is a visionary entrepreneur and philanthropist best known for founding and leading Nutanix from its inception to becoming a publicly traded company valued at approximately $16.5 billion on NASDAQ. In 2020, he launched DevRev, an agentic AI company focused on unifying data to enhance customer experiences, securing over $100 million in funding from Khosla Ventures. Beyond his contributions to technology, Dheeraj co-founded Param Hansa with his wife, Swapna, to advance human life through science and technology. He holds a Computer Science and Engineering degree from IIT Kanpur and a master's in Computer Science from UT Austin.In this conversation, we discuss:Why data is the backbone of AI and how DevRev is leveraging knowledge graphs to transform customer support and product management.The evolution of enterprise AI—why businesses must integrate AI with human workflows rather than replace them.The future of customer support—how DevRev combines real-time conversations with ticketing systems to improve response times and reduce inefficiencies.The ethical challenges of AI adoption—how bias, security, and machine reliability shape the future of AI-driven business operations.How DevRev raised over $100M, including an unconventional approach using blockchain and decentralized funding models.Dheeraj's vision for AI's next frontier—why the real challenge isn't intelligence, but making AI work seamlessly with human decision-making.Resources:Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work Newsletter: https://aiandwork.beehiiv.com/subscribe Connect with Dheeraj Pandey on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpandey AI fun fact article: https://hackernoon.com/next-time-you-hear-someone-say-ai-will-replace-call-center-agents-run On The Path To 500M+ YouTube views: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/301-william-osman-on-the-path-to-500m-youtube-views/id1476885647?i=1000668882327
In this episode of The Effortless Podcast, host Dheeraj Pandey sits down with Bipul Sinha, co-founder and CEO of Rubrik, to explore the power of relentless innovation, first-principles thinking, and continuous reinvention.Bipul shares his journey from Oracle to venture capital, his transition from investor to entrepreneur, and the bold thinking behind Rubrik's evolution from backup and recovery to cybersecurity and AI-driven data protection. He and Dheeraj reflect on lessons from Larry Ellison, the shifting tech landscape, and the importance of being non-consensus in building transformative businesses.They also discuss:
In this episode, Amit and Dheeraj dive deep into the world of AI reasoning models with Alex, an AI researcher involved in OpenThinker and OpenThoughts. They explore two recent groundbreaking papers—SkyT1 and S1 (Simple Test Time Scaling)—that showcase new insights into how large language models (LLMs) develop reasoning capabilities.From structured reasoning vs. content accuracy to fine-tuning efficiency and the role of active learning, this conversation highlights the shift from prompt engineering to structured supervised fine-tuning (SFT) and post-training techniques. The discussion also touches on open weights, open data, and open-source AI, revealing the evolving AI landscape and its impact on startups, research, and beyond.Key Topics & Chapter Markers[00:00] Introduction – Why reasoning models matter & today's agenda[05:15] Breaking Down SkyT1 – Structure vs. Content in reasoning[15:45] Open weights, open data, and open-source AI[22:30] Fine-tuning vs. RL – When do you need reinforcement learning?[30:10] S1 and the power of test-time scaling[40:25] Budget forcing – Making AI "think" more efficiently[50:50] RAG vs. SFT – What should startups use?[01:05:30] Active learning – AI asking the right questions[01:15:00] Final thoughts – Where AI reasoning is heading nextResources & Links
This is the second part of episode 10 of Effortless Podcast, hosts Dheeraj Pandey and Amit Prakash sit down with Alex Dimakis, a renowned AI researcher and professor, to discuss one of the biggest breakthroughs in open AI models—DeepSeek R1. They explore how DeepSeek's innovations in reasoning, reinforcement learning, and efficiency optimizations are reshaping the AI landscape.The conversation covers the shift from large, proprietary AI models to open-source alternatives, the role of post-training fine-tuning, and how reinforcement learning (GRPO) enables reasoning capabilities in LLMs. They also dive into KV caching, mixture of experts, multi-token prediction, and what this means for NVIDIA, hardware players, and AI startups.Key Topics & Timestamps:[00:00] - Introduction & Why DeepSeek Matters[01:30] - DeepSeek R1: Open-Source AI Disrupting the Industry[03:00] - Has China Become an AI Innovator?[07:30] - Open Weights vs. Open Data: What Really Matters?[10:00] - KV Caching, Mixture of Experts & Model Optimizations[21:00] - How Reinforcement Learning (GRPO) Enables Reasoning[32:00] - Why OpenAI is Keeping Its Reasoning Traces Hidden[45:00] - The Impact of AI on NVIDIA & Hardware Demand[1:02:00] - AGI: Language Models vs. Multimodal AI[1:15:00] - The Future of AI: Fine-Tuning, Open-Source & Specialized ModelsHosts:Dheeraj Pandey: Co-founder and CEO at DevRev, formerly Co-founder and CEO of Nutanix. A tech visionary with a deep interest in AI and systems thinking.Amit Prakash: Co-founder and CTO at ThoughtSpot, formerly at Google AdSense and Bing, with extensive expertise in analytics and large-scale systems.Guest:Alex Dimakis: Professor at UC Berkeley and co-founder of Bespoke Labs, Alex has made significant contributions to deep learning, machine learning infrastructure, and the development of AI reasoning frameworks.Follow the Hosts and the Guest:Dheeraj Pandey:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpandeyTwitter - https://x.com/dheerajAmit Prakash:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/amit-prak...Twitter - https://x.com/amitp42Alex Dimakis:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-dima...Twitter - https://x.com/AlexGDimakisShare Your Thoughts:Have questions, comments, or ideas for future episodes? Email us at EffortlessPodcastHQ@gmail.comDon't forget to Like, Comment, and Subscribe for more in-depth discussions on AI, technology, and innovation!
In this episode of the Effortless Podcast, hosts Dheeraj Pandey and Amit Prakash sit down with Alex Dimakis, a renowned AI researcher and professor at UC Berkeley. With a background in deep learning, graphical models, and foundational AI frameworks, Alex provides unparalleled insights into the evolving landscape of AI.The discussion delves into the detailing of foundation models, modular AI architectures, fine-tuning, and the role of synthetic data in post-training. They also explore practical applications, challenges in creating reasoning frameworks, and the future of AI specialization and generalization.As Alex puts it, "To deep seek or not, that's the $1 trillion question." Tune in to hear his take on how companies can bridge the gap between large generalist models and smaller specialized agents to achieve meaningful AI outcomes.Key Topics and Chapter Markers:Introduction to Alex Dimakis & His Journey [0:00]From Foundation Models to Modular AI Systems [6:00]Fine-Tuning vs. Prompting: Understanding Post-Training [15:00]Synthetic Data in AI Development: Challenges and Solutions [25:00]The Role of Reasoning and Chain of Thought in AI [45:00]AI's Future: Specialized Models vs. General Systems [1:05:00]Alex's Reflections on AI Research and Innovation [1:20:00]Hosts:Dheeraj Pandey: Co-founder and CEO at DevRev, formerly Co-founder and CEO of Nutanix. A tech visionary with a deep interest in AI and systems thinking.Amit Prakash: Co-founder and CTO at ThoughtSpot, formerly at Google AdSense and Bing, with extensive expertise in analytics and large-scale systems.Guest:Alex Dimakis: Professor at UC Berkeley and co-founder of Bespoke Labs, Alex has made significant contributions to deep learning, machine learning infrastructure, and the development of AI reasoning frameworks.Follow the Hosts and the Guest:Dheeraj Pandey:LinkedIn: Dheeraj PandeyTwitter: @dheeraj Amit Prakash:LinkedIn: Amit PrakashTwitter: @amitp42 Alex Shtoyanov:LinkedIn: Alex DimakisTwitter: @AlexGDimakisShare Your Thoughts:Have questions, comments, or ideas for future episodes? Email us at EffortlessPodcastHQ@gmail.comDon't forget to Like, Comment, and Subscribe for more in-depth discussions on AI, technology, and innovation!
How do you build a channel strategy that drives growth without sacrificing trust? In this episode of Partnerships Unraveled, Sunil Dutt, EMEA Partnerships Leader at DevRev, joins the show to share his journey from startup veteran to channel visionary.With insights shaped by his experience at companies like Symantec, Nutanix, and Salt Security, Sunil reveals how DevRev is transforming the way startups navigate fragmented ecosystems, balance innovation with disruption, and foster partnerships built on trust.Whether you're scaling a new business or rethinking your channel strategy, this conversation is packed with actionable insights for channel leaders.Tune in to discover how DevRev is shaping the future of channel partnerships and what it takes to build a winning strategy in a competitive landscape.Connect with Sunil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunildutt/_________________________Learn more about Channext
New Pulse of AI Podcast! Season 6, Ep. 147 Pulse of AI host Jason Stoughton is joined by Dheeraj Pandey for a lively discussion about Dheeraj's new AI unicorn and all things AI, AI Agents and the importance of design in the deployment and implementation process of AI Agents. Dheeraj Pandey is the CEO and co-founder of DevRev, a unicorn startup backed by Khosla and Mayfield that introduces AI agents that work alongside teams to handle the routine tasks so everyone can spend more time on what really matters. After turning Nutanix into a $16 billion success story, Dheeraj launched DevRev and recently led a $100 million Series A for the company. His vision of AI as the ultimate teamplayer comes to life through AgentOS, an operating system that integrates human and AI agents to unify all aspects of customer and product interactions. DevRev's platform moves beyond the daily grind, paving the way for a work-life balance that energizes teams for creative thinking, meaningful challenges and big-picture initiatives.
This week, host Conor Bronsdon chats with Dheeraj Pandey, CEO and co-founder of DevRev. Dheeraj shares his incredible journey from leading Nutanix to a valuation of $16 billion, to now striving to build another unicorn with DevRev.Dheeraj opens up about the lessons learned from his entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the significance of having a holistic approach to building products and companies. He explores how his experiences at Nutanix have shaped his vision at DevRev, especially in terms of integrating AI as a core component rather than a mere add-on.The discussion also covers a range of topics including the transformative power of AI in business operations, customer-centric design, and the importance of balancing innovative technology with intuitive user experience.Topics:02:49 What inspired you to start DevRev?08:38 How did you decide not to take a bolt on approach to AI?11:30 What can other entrepreneurs learn from you about levelling up their abilities?16:42 How are you approaching scaling up DevRel?28:11 How is DevRev thinking about AI driven design?44:52 What's happening with DevRev's leadership in AI?Links:Dheeraj PandeyDheeraj PandeyDheeraj Pandey (@dheeraj) / XDevRev (@devrev)Dheeraj PandeyUnified SupportOpening WindowsFounder ModeOvercoming Growth CrisesZanzibar: Google's Consistent, Global Authorization SystemSupport the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever
Our speaker this week is Manoj Agarwal, President, and Co-founder of DevRev. Manoj is the co-founder and President of DevRev, one of the hottest startups in Silicon Valley with unprecedented seed funding and recent $1B series A round. Previously, he held executive positions at Nutanix (Nasdaq: NTNX), leading engineering teams and playing a vital role in the company's successful IPO in 2016, which was the largest tech IPO at the time. Manoj is an alumnus of IIT Kanpur and has worked in notable technology startups and companies like Synopsys and Sandisk. He left his role as SVP Engineering at Nutanix, where he spearheaded their cloud efforts, to co-found DevRev with Dheeraj Pandey in 2020. Connect with Manoj at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devreveler/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/uncharted1/support
Mayfield Fund initiated a $100 million initiative for AI startups concentrating on collaborative technology. This initiative, termed AI Garage, supports ideation-stage founders in creating "AI teammate" companies. The venture capital firm plans to accept up to five founders every six months, expanding its established entrepreneur-in-residence model. Initially, these participants will not receive funding but can secure between one and five million dollars after formulating a viable business plan with the firm's partners. The focus lies on AI applications that function as collaborators rather than mere assistants. Mayfield has already invested in several AI teammate companies, including DevRev, which enhances customer service through AI, and NeuBird, which aids site reliability engineers in managing outages. Learn more on this news visit us at: https://greyjournal.net/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
DevRev is een "disruptor" in de markt voor CRM, software-ontwikkeling en customer support. De visie van #DevRev is minder silo's, maar een centrale knowledge graph waar alle applicaties bovenop zijn gebouwd, waardoor data (en metadata) breed beschikbaar zijn binnen een organisatie en van daaruit kan innoveren, automatiseren en ondersteunen. Wat DevRev voor ogen heeft is echter geen makkelijk verhaal.Met deze visie gaat DevRev de concurrentie aan met partijen als Atlassian (Jira), Salesforce, ServiceNow, Zendesk en vele andere. Niet bepaald de minste concurrenten. Bij veel start-ups denk je dan al snel: dit is een kansloos verhaal. Als je echter kijkt naar het management van DevRev, de partijen en investeerders die het steunen, de resultaten die nu al gehaald worden, dan is het zeker niet kansloos. De CEO van DevRev, Dheeraj Pandey, heeft een dergelijke strijd al eerder gevoerd als oprichter en CEO van #Nutanix. Ook toen vocht hij met de grootste IT-spelers in de markt. Nutanix heeft inmiddels al jaren zijn positie in de markt verovert en groeit nog steeds. In deze Techzine Talks, de eerste aflevering met video, analyseren we wat DevRev is en wat het nastreeft. Op Techzine verschijnen binnenkort nog meer duidingen rondom deze start-up die nu al wordt gewaardeerd op 1 miljard dollar.In deze Techzine Talks, die overigens voor het eerst met video is, een analyse over wat DevRev is en nastreeft. Op Techzine verschijnen binnenkort nog meer duidingen rondom deze startup. #techzinetalks #knowledgegraph #artificialintelligence #generativeai #customersupport #softwaredevelopment Video:Al vaak aangekondigd, nu is het dan zover. Techzine Talks nu ook beschikbaar als vodcast. We noemen het voor het gemak nog maar even een bèta, want we zijn nog zeker niet tevreden over de kwaliteit. De komende weken zullen we elke week een stapje voorwaarts zetten qua videoproductie. We gaan nog wat zaken verbeteren en waar mogelijk automatiseren. Voor degenen die niet kunnen wachten: hier is Techzine Talks met video.
The average failure rate for a tech startup is 90%. Around one-fifth will flame out in the first year, and the overwhelming majority of the ones that make it past that mark will never be acquired or go public. It's brutal. It takes years to build a sustainable technology company, and considering how unbalanced the risk/reward ratio is, each founder needs to craft personalized mental and emotional frameworks that suit their needs. Because there's no single recipe for long-term success, I was glad to interview Poshmark CEO Manish Chandra and DevRev CEO Dheeraj Pandey about how they deal with the fear, uncertainty and doubt that affects every entrepreneur. Poshmark is a pure consumer play, and DevRev sells enterprise software, but because Dheeraj and Manish are repeat founders who've taken startups from Day Zero to IPOs, they were an excellent choice for the last episode of season 1. We broke down some of the strategies they've developed over time for recruiting, fostering early adopters, driving growth, and transitioning across industries. Both guests also unpacked some of the strategic decisions that propelled their companies forward and spoke openly about how they navigated some very lonely times along the way. Episode breakdown [2:38] Dheeraj: “The hardest thing was to really find the innovators and the early adopters.” [4:40] Manish: “I just kept saying, ‘I'm not the right guy to do this idea because I had no consumer background.'” [7:03] Why it's so important to build an advisory team early on [8:12] Dheeraj: “Finding people who have hunger and humility… has always been hard.” [10:51] Prioritize hiring early employees who will challenge you and your assumptions [14:18] Use your initial recruiting process to refine your value proposition [17:30] When Manish realized Poshmark was the right company for the moment [21:24] Winning “VMworld awards basically told us that we're doing something right.” [24:36] Manish: “We got the first version of the app ready, but there were a couple of problems.” [30:09] Dheeraj: “We said, ‘we've got to take something to the have-nots.'” [35:14] Embrace a design-first mentality from Day Zero. [39:00] Search for ways to reduce friction from every internal and external process [43:21] Dheeraj: “By the way, the only job of the CEO over time is to go towards the fire.” [50:39] When it comes to design, “less is better” [53:39] Manish: “Whatever you don't have, you can always find it in someone else.” [55:16] Dheeraj: “The more and more money you actually raise, the less you can pivot.” [59:21] Manish: “Always be closing, because money can disappear very quickly.” [1:02:32] Dheeraj: “I think my learnings have been about keeping the balance sheet in your head all the time.” [1:05:31] How to recognize when it's time to throw in the towel [1:07:01] Is work-life balance even an achievable goal for an early-stage founder? Links Manish Chandra, CEO, PoshmarkTracy Sun, co-founder, Poshmark LyAnn Chhay, VP, Poshmark Dheeraj Pandey, CEO, DevRev Kaboodle Nutanix TiE Global Gokul Rajaram on Twitter: “VISION => TALENT => TEAM” What Is Forming, Storming, Norming and Performing? How to Be a C.E.O., From a Decade's Worth of Them Rise of Empires: Ottomans Eclectic grandpa style Simon Sinek Thanks very much for listening to season 1 of Fund/Build/Scale! There's much more to come in season 2, which starts very soon. Join the FBS LinkedIn group Subscribe to Fund/Build/Scale on Substack Fund/Build/Scale is sponsored by Mayfield and Securiti.
In today's episode, we're resharing Dheeraj Pandey's popular session from ELC Annual 2023 on the disciplined pursuit of less! As the Co-Founder, CEO & Chairman of DevRev.ai, he shares how AI tools can maximize customer impact & reduce information asymmetry between various teams, including eng, customer support, product, sales, etc., ultimately creating a more customer-centric mindset. He reveals how to leverage AI to tackle “verbs,” such as classifying, routing, attributing, summarizing and more, further streamlining productivity and empowering your org to focus on customer needs.ABOUT DHEERAJ PANDEYDheeraj Pandey is the co-founder & CEO of DevRev.ai, one of the hottest startups in Silicon Valley, with over 70 million dollars in seed funding.He previously founded Nutanix (Nasdaq: NTNX), a global leader in enterprise cloud software and hyperconverged infrastructure solutions, and currently sits on the board of Adobe (Nasdaq: ADBE) and is a member of their Audit Committee.Dheeraj co-founded Nutanix in 2009 and led as its CEO and Chairman for 11+ years. Boasting the largest software IPO in 2016, Nutanix is now a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of employees in over 60 countries. Pandey has been recognized with prestigious industry awards, including Dell's Founders 50 and the E&Y Entrepreneur of the Year, Silicon Valley.Before founding Nutanix, Pandey was the VP of engineering at Aster Data (now Teradata). His technology and enterprise software experience include engineering and leadership roles at Oracle, Zambeel and Trilogy Software. Pandey has been recognized with several prestigious industry awards, including Dell's Founders 50 and the E&Y Entrepreneur of the Year, Silicon Valley. Pandey holds a degree in Computer Science from the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Kanpur, and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of Texas at Austin. In addition, he was a Graduate Fellow of Computer Science at the University of Texas at Austin Ph.D. program."In my last company, we had brought almost 7,000 employees together. My biggest job was to really bring all the VPs together. What does it mean for them to work together, behave well together, and respect each other? And it's all because there were all these silos of departments. If you look at the power of AI, AI knows no boundaries. If anything, it needs the entire knowledge graph and the knowledge graph of customers and product and people and their work, not just people on the inside, but also users and their activities on the outside. That's a big problem that we all have to go and solve for.”- Dheeraj Pandey This episode is brought to you by testRigor!testRigor is trusted by tens of thousands of companies across the globe, including Netflix, Splunk, BusinessWire, and more to solve three main problems with end-to-end test automation:It's challenging, expensive, and slow to hire QA Automation EngineersLow productivity building your own QA AutomationFragile tests, that cause maintenance to consume enormous amounts of timetestRigor solves all of the above by allowing our users to express test cases in plain EnglishTo learn more, check out a case study on testRigor hereSign up for a free trial today at testrigor.comSHOW NOTES:The role of essentialism in software dev & company building (1:52)Dheeraj's experience fostering a customer-centric approach in all teams (4:22)Commonly used tools & why they fall short for full eng functions (7:20)Why it's important to connect AI, analytics & collaboration features (10:15)How AI can help solve information asymmetry (13:12)Using AI for analytics to help make teams more customer-centric (15:14)Audience Q&As: A day in the life of a PM using LLMs in an interactive discussion (18:03)Tips for educating users to provide better prompts when using GenAI (22:50)How would a company typically use the DevRev product? (24:38)DevRev's object model of support (27:21)Is DevRev capable of answering arbitrary questions once data is uploaded? (28:36)Methods used to measure performance w/ DevRev (30:02)Creating multiple namespaces w/in the same index to host multi-tenant data (31:10)Qualitative & quantitative benefits DevRev offers to its customer base (33:39)LINKS AND RESOURCESVideo Version of EpisodeAll of the Sessions from ELC AnnualThis episode wouldn't have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-HostJerry Li - Co-HostNoah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan's also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/
In this Episode of SparX, Mukesh Bansal (Founder Myntra & Cult.Fit) is in conversation with Dheeraj Pandey, co-founder of DevRev and Nutanix, a board member at Adobe, and a visionary in the tech industry. Get ready to dive deep into the world of hyper-convergence, cloud computing, and machine intelligence.Discover the valuable insights into Dheeraj's leadership philosophy, his passion for computer science and the lessons he learnt from navigating the complexities of the tech industry and entrepreneurship. Understand the future of enterprise software, both in India and globally, and the challenges, triumphs, and pivotal moments that shaped Dheeraj's remarkable career. Don't miss out on this thought-provoking conversation—like, share, and subscribe for more engaging content!00:00:00 - 00:00:54 - coming up00:00:55 - 00:01:06 - opening theme00:01:07 - 00:05:01 - About Dheeraj and his achievements00:05:02 - 00:10:45 - What makes Indians succeed worldwide? 00:10:46 - 00:14:57 - What made Dheeraj want to become an entrepreneur?00:14:58 - 00:19:50 - What is the formula for being a good entrepreneur?00:19:51 - 00:26:31 Dheeraj 's experiences with crisis and how to handle them00:26:32 - 00:33:35 - Dheeraj 's thought process behind building his second company00:33:36 - 00:41:45 - SaaS, AI, APIs - the impact and future of technology00:41:46 - 00:46:06 - Improvement of Customer Relationship Management (CRM) 00:46:07 - 00:50:07 - The future of enterprise software globally and in India00:50:08 - 00:53:06 - Dheeraj 's advice to the younger SaaS companies in India00:53:07 - 00:56:29 - Companies figuring out the right business models00:56:30 - 01:03:15 Challenges and advantages entrepreneurs and companies face today01:03:16 - 01:08:25 India and Indian company's achievements, progress, and position in the global market01:08:26 - 01:12:14 - How do we get rich before we get old?01:12:15 - 01:17:36 - The need to acclimatize to new technologyAbout SparX by Mukesh BansalSparX is a podcast where we delve into cutting-edge scientific research, stories from impact-makers and tools for unlocking the secrets to human potential and growth. We believe that entrepreneurship, fitness and the science of productivity is at the forefront of the India Story; the country is at the cusp of greatness and at SparX, we wish to make these tools accessible for every generation of Indians to be able to make the most of the opportunities around us. In a new episode every Sunday, our host Mukesh Bansal (Founder Myntra and Cult.fit) will talk to guests from all walks of life and also break down everything he's learnt about the science of impact over the course of his 20-year long career. This is the India Century, and we're enthusiastic to start this journey with you.Follow us on Instagram: @sparxbymukeshbansal Website: https://www.sparxbymukeshbansal.comYou can also listen to SparX on all audio platformsFasion | Outbreak | Courtesy EpidemicSound.com
This week's episode is an EYE-OPENER for those who want to understand how AI impacts our lives & to be aware of potential AI scams as we welcome Manoj Agarwal, co-founder at DevRev, to the Neon Show!Can Machines Think For Themselves?What Jobs Are Most At Risk Due To AI?Is AI Progression Outpacing Humans?All these JUICY topics and much more in this DEEPLY INSIGHTFUL conversation about the AI revolution that has taken over the world & how it will impact future generations… Tune in NOW!_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
En este episodio platicamos con Ahmed, DevRel de Scroll. ¡Antes de entrar al equipo de scroll, Ahmed se dedicaba a crear videos educativos en Youtube! Además, abordamos temas como la importancia de tener diversas capas 2, qué implica el ser compatible con la EVM y cómo Scroll está buscando construir un ecosistema ZK muy fuerte. Sigue a Ahmed en Twitter/X: @FilosofiaCodigo Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@FilosofiaCodigo ¡Acompáñanos! 00:00 Intro 05:23 Cuéntanos de ti, ¿cómo entraste a Web3? 13:10 ¿Porqué te gusta Scroll? 18:36 ¿Porqué tener tantas capas 2? 22:24 Entrando más en detalle sobre Scroll 37:00 ¿Qué significa lanzar a mainnet una capa 2? 42:27 Scroll Origins 49:47 ¿Cómo podemos unirnos a la comunidad de Scroll? Adéntrate en el ecosistema de Scroll: Twitter/X: @Scroll_ZKP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
En este episodio platicamos con Ahmed, DevRel de Scroll. ¡Antes de entrar al equipo de scroll, Ahmed se dedicaba a crear videos educativos en Youtube! Además, abordamos temas como la importancia de tener diversas capas 2, qué implica el ser compatible con la EVM y cómo Scroll está buscando construir un ecosistema ZK muy fuerte. Sigue a Ahmed en Twitter/X: @FilosofiaCodigo Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@FilosofiaCodigo ¡Acompáñanos! 00:00 Intro 05:23 Cuéntanos de ti, ¿cómo entraste a Web3? 13:10 ¿Porqué te gusta Scroll? 18:36 ¿Porqué tener tantas capas 2? 22:24 Entrando más en detalle sobre Scroll 37:00 ¿Qué significa lanzar a mainnet una capa 2? 42:27 Scroll Origins 49:47 ¿Cómo podemos unirnos a la comunidad de Scroll? Adéntrate en el ecosistema de Scroll: Twitter/X: @Scroll_ZKP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Today's guest is a developer turned growth marketer and an expert in Product-Led Growth (PLG). He has 18+ years of experience leading product management and marketing teams at companies such as Nutanix, Redis, and DevRev. Madhukar Kumar is the Chief Marketing Officer of SingleStore and a guest lecturer at Duke University on PLG and New The post How to think like the end-user with Madhukar Kumar appeared first on WebMechanix.
In this episode of B2B Marketing: The Provocative Truth, Benedict talks to Madhukar Kumar about what a product-led growth strategy looks like in B2B.Marketers in most businesses, especially in the SaaS space, understand their need to collaborate with their product teams to have an effective strategy. However, what B2B marketers might be missing out on is a “product-led” growth strategy, and it might be because they just don't know about how PLG could impact their business. So what exactly are B2B marketers missing out on? In what ways can marketers include a PLG strategy among their wider marketing activities, and how could it uniquely support business objectives?Madhukar Kumar is the CMO of Singlestore, and he has 15+ years of experience in leading product and marketing teams for global organisations. Prior to joining Singlestore, Madhukar has served as Head of Growth and Marketing at DevRev, VP Product and Solutions Marketing at Nutanix, VP Product and Developer Marketing at Redis Labs, and more. In addition to his career, Madhukar has previously guest lectured at Duke University's Fuqua School of Business in which he teaches New Product Development. He also is currently writing a book which he publishes chapter by chapter on Substack called “ Growth”.You can find Madhukar Kumar on Linkedin.You can subscribe to Madhukar's Substack here. You can watch full video versions of the podcast on our YouTube channel.Ready to provoke the truth? Get in touch at alan-agency.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
This week on DisrupTV, we interviewed Jason M. Lemkin, SaaS Founder, Enthusiast & VC, Dheeraj Pandey, CEO & Co-Founder of DevRev and Paulo Savaget, Author of The Four Workarounds. DisrupTV is a weekly Web series with hosts R “Ray” Wang and Vala Afshar. The show airs live at 11:00 a.m. PT/ 2:00 p.m. ET every Friday. Brought to you by Constellation Executive Network: constellationr.com/CEN.
Are you old enough to remember when "Data Entry" represented a whole category of white collar jobs? We've come a long way, baby! These days, almost anything can be automated, from the marketing that drives sales to the systems that deliver products and services. Learn more on this episode of DM Radio as Host @eric_kavanagh interviews several guests, including: Analyst Mark Palmer, plus Shinji Kim of Select Star, Dheeraj Pandey of DevRev, and Nick Durkin of Harness.io.
We were lucky to have Dheeraj Pandey join Inside Scoop to discuss his origin story, his views on the technology landscape, his new venture in DevRev, and everything he does in philanthropy. Dheeraj is the founder of Nutanix where he helped build it from $0 to $1B in 8 years. He remains the single largest investor at Nutanix and continues to balance family, philanthropic efforts, and building. DevRev: www.devrev.ai _______ Disclaimer: Avory & Co. is a Registered Investment Adviser. This platform is solely for informational purposes. Advisory services are only offered to clients or prospective clients where Avory & Co. and its representatives are properly licensed or exempt from licensure. Past performance is no guarantee of future returns. Investing involves risk and possible loss of principal capital. No advice may be rendered by Avory & Co. unless a client service agreement is in place. Listeners and viewers are encouraged to seek advice from a qualified tax, legal, or investment adviser to determine whether any information presented may be suitable for their specific situation. Past performance is not indicative of future performance. “Likes” are not intended to be endorsements of our firm, our advisors or our services. Please be aware that while we monitor comments and “likes” left on this page, we do not endorse or necessarily share the same opinions expressed by site users. While we appreciate your comments and feedback, please be aware that any form of testimony from current or past clients about their experience with our firm is strictly forbidden under current securities laws. Please honor our request to limit your posts to industry-related educational information and comments. Third-party rankings and recognitions are no guarantee of future investment success and do not ensure that a client or prospective client will experience a higher level of performance or results. These ratings should not be construed as an endorsement of the advisor by any client nor are they representative of any one client's evaluation. Please reach out to Houston Hess our head of Compliance and Operations for any further details. Find more here https://www.avory.xyz/disclaimer-page #InsideScoop #Creator #wix #udemy
Dheeraj Pandey, founder of Nutanix and DevRev. The conversation spans a variety of topics and has some brilliant insights on the gaps in the tech industry.
Amazing conversation with Dheeraj Pandey, CEO of DevRev, ex-Founder/CEO of Nutanix. In this episode we talk about building companies during down market cycles, invisible AI, the ying and yang of AI, developer in the center of the builder universe, product-led sales and much more. Be sure to like and subscribe for more. Dheeraj's Bio: Dheeraj founded Nutanix in 2009 and built the company from the ground up to over 5,000 employees in just over 10 years. He led Nutanix through its 2016 IPO and exceeded $1 billion in revenue as its tenth anniversary approached. In August 2020, Pandey announced his retirement from the company, seeking to work from home and spend more time with his wife and children. Upon retiring from Nutanix, he co-founded Param Hansa Values and Param Hansa Philanthropies. He has now recently launched his newest venture, DevRev. Prior to founding Nutanix, Pandey worked for Aster Data Systems from 2007 to 2009, first as director of engineering and then as vice president of engineering. Previously, from 2003 to 2007, he was a software development senior manager at Oracle, where he managed the storage engine group and co-authored numerous patents in distributed databases. Pandey began his career as a software developer for Trilogy Software in 1999, moving on to Zambeel Inc. where he worked as a senior software engineer. Pandey has received recognition for his work, including being named Ernst & Young's Entrepreneur of the Year and among Dell's Founders 50. He currently serves on the boards of Adobe and the University of Texas at Austin. Pandey received a bachelor's degree from the Indian Institute of Technology. He also holds a master's degree in computer science from the University of Texas at Austin. Find him at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpandey/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/dheeraj A note about our sponsor: Experian is the world's leading global information services company. We empower our clients to manage their data with confidence and build trusted relationships with consumers, using advanced analytics, decisioning technology, and fraud prevention tools. We help businesses to make smarter decisions and thrive, lend more responsibly, and prevent fraud and financial crime. As the world's leading repository of consumer credit data, Experian is transforming data into solutions that facilitate transactions, ensure financial safety and improve the financial lives of millions of consumers around the world.
According to a recent article in Forbes, as per data of ProductLedGrowth.org,“Buyers want to self-educate.” Personalization is expected by customers—not only are 80% of people more likely to do business with a company that offers personalization but Salesforce's 2017 State of Marketing Report found that 52% of B2C customers would actually switch brands if they weren't getting a personalized experience. In today's episode we've some Dheeraj Pandey, CEO at DevRev; Board Member at Adobe; Investor & Co-founder at Nutanix. During the episode, catch Dheeraj sharing his experience around Product-Led Growth over the past two decades, taking Nutanix Inc. public within 6 years of inceptio and much more. Notes - 01:44 - Intro02:26 - Achieving Product Market Fit - “What is the journey is not a destination.”05:15 - Identifying the problem statement for first 10 customer at Nutanix07:54 - Main value prop by Nutanix for early customers10:11 - How to identify large problems?13:22 - Whether to find a niche problem and then expand or find a problem statement of the larger market?15:07 - What's the first Aha moment for customers on DevRev?20:04 - Zoho Sponsored - Prashant Ganti on Where do founders struggle with Payroll and how can they fix it?21:18 - Why have Startups as the target audience v/s Large Entreprises?27:10 - History of Product-led growth32:50 - First principle thought behind Product-led growth with velocity37:49 - Customer Relationship Management v/s Sales First Automation39:07 - How a B2B developer can think like a B2C developer?40:23 - What are risks of failure they need to think about?41:40 - Building an entrepreneurial culture43:47 - Dealing with the most difficult part of an acquisition (i.e. Integration)45:38 - An early childhood in Patna, graduating from IIT Kanpur & Ph.D. dropout from University of Texas50:33 - Why did he chose to startup in a downturn of 2009?54:07 - Milestones in Nutanix's journey58:31 - Becoming a Public company59:58 - Aspirations for DevRev1:02:29 - What kind of person he is in his personal life?Also, try out a 30-day free trial of Zoho Payroll, and simplify your Payroll journey as an entrepreneur! https://zoho.to/zoho-payroll
Women Who Code Talks Tech: In honor of World Password Day on May 5th, Ashwini Vasanth, Builder at DevRev, talks about why security architecture is important and how to implement it. Women Who Code Career Nav: Prachi Shah, Senior Software Engineer at Metromile, and Elaine Laguerta, Security Engineer at New Relic, talk about how to prepare for a system design interview. Women Who Code Conversations: Sabrina Vega, Software Engineer 2 at Microsoft talks about her career experiences at Microsoft, how her passion for DEI led to co-founding SOMOS, and her advice for achieving a healthy work-life balance.
Serial entrepreneur Dheeraj Pandey has raised tens of millions of dollars for his latest tech startup. He took his first venture, Nutanix public, and has now moved on to DevRev. Top-tier investors like Mayfield Fund, Firebolt Ventures, Bradley Horowitz, and Khosla Ventures have funded the startup.
Today's guest is Gaurav Chakravorty, Founding Member at DevRev in California. Founded in 2020, DevRev is a business software company that brings developers and customers together in the era of product-led growth. The company is building an API-first dev-centric CRM that leverages data, design and machine intelligence to empower devs to build, support and grow their revenue. In times of anemic NPS and high customer churn, DevRev strives to create the world's most customer-centric companies led by happy developers. In the episode, Gaurav will tell you about: The interesting work and mission at DevRev, How they have attracted top talent while in stealth mode, His passion for graph neural networks, Exciting opportunities & what he looks for when hiring, Key Learns from his career that helped him build a startup and How the pandemic has impacted the working culture
Are platforms eating the world? How can entrepreneurs build a platform that brings value to their customers? Why are traditional monopolies despised and platform monopolies loved by customers? In this episode Dheeraj Pandey, industry superstar, Co-founder and CEO of DevRev and former CEO of Nutanix shares his insights about the book “Modern Monopolies”, authored by Alex Moazed and Nicholas L. Johnson. Listen to the podcast and discover the secrets to build successful companies and platform businesses.
In this episode, Nutanix Founder & former CEO Dheeraj Pandey shares his perspective on leading with humility, building empathy for customers, and having happiness as a core value in the workplace. He also discusses why he decided to leave Nutanix and the next steps for his journey at DevRev.
Sponsors Sentry use the code “devchat” for $100 credit Triplebyte CacheFly Panel Lucas Reis Nader Dabit Charles Max Wood Joined by special guest: Thomas Aylott Episode Summary In this episode of React Round Up, Thomas Aylott, Founder at Things That Do Stuff, gives an overview of Framer X, explains what it is used for and how it can be beneficial for web designers. The panelists then discuss the timeline and usage of different design and developer tools along with their compatibility with various platforms. Thomas shares his front-end development experiences from 2005, the kind of technologies he learnt and how, with interesting and fun anecdotes, and also talks about about his time at Facebook. They discuss the fact that how Ruby on Rails has brought about a significant change in web development, work-life balance in general, and in the end, the importance of making checklists and taking ownership. Links Things That Do Stuff Thomas’s website Thomas’s Twitter Thomas’s GitHub Thomas’s YouTube Prettier Picks Nader Dabit: Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid Lucas Reis: CSS-Tricks Indirection is not Abstraction Charles Max Wood: Check out the recent milestone episodes on Devchat.tv! DevRev Hiring Show Notes writers for podcasts Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win Thomas Aylott: Objective Personality Notion The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right
Sponsors Sentry use the code “devchat” for $100 credit Triplebyte CacheFly Panel Chris Fritz Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Episode Summary In this 50th episode of Views on Vue, the panelists talk about how they came on-board the show and what gave rise to the Vue podcast. They mention their favorite episodes and the most notable speakers they have had till now. They describe how they got involved in the Vue community in general and their experiences along the way and also dive into what they are working on currently. Charles speaks about wanting to help people reach their goals through the podcast by introducing more shows, reaching out to them, creating good content and more. In the end, the panelists discuss about delegating tasks thereby making time for more things to work on, and things they do to decompress and unwind from their everyday schedule. Links VueConf US Miriam Suzanne Picks Chris Fritz: Semiosis Getting enough sleep Divya Sasidharan: Our Software Dependency Problem Mort Duolingo Spanish podcast Charles Max Wood: Upcoming series – The Big Four-O on The DevRev Zoom
Sponsors Sentry use the code “devchat” for $100 credit Triplebyte CacheFly Panel Chris Fritz Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Episode Summary In this 50th episode of Views on Vue, the panelists talk about how they came on-board the show and what gave rise to the Vue podcast. They mention their favorite episodes and the most notable speakers they have had till now. They describe how they got involved in the Vue community in general and their experiences along the way and also dive into what they are working on currently. Charles speaks about wanting to help people reach their goals through the podcast by introducing more shows, reaching out to them, creating good content and more. In the end, the panelists discuss about delegating tasks thereby making time for more things to work on, and things they do to decompress and unwind from their everyday schedule. Links VueConf US Miriam Suzanne Picks Chris Fritz: Semiosis Getting enough sleep Divya Sasidharan: Our Software Dependency Problem Mort Duolingo Spanish podcast Charles Max Wood: Upcoming series – The Big Four-O on The DevRev Zoom
Sponsors Sentry use the code "devchat" for $100 credit TripleByte CacheFly Panel Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Nathan Ruehs In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Nathan Ruehs. Nathan is a programmer residing in the Milwaukee area. He started working for a large corporation right after college and is currently trying to explore newer methods to incorporate Ruby in his day to day work. The panelists and Nathan talk about ways to sneak Ruby into big companies, difficulties in working with legacy systems and more. Show Notes: 0:00 - Charles introduces the panel and reminds listeners to check out DevRev. 0:30 – Advertisement: Sentry 1:27 - Nathan introduces himself by briefly describing his background and states that he is exploring ways to use Ruby in things that he’s working with. 1:50 - Charles asks Nathan about Ruby in general and techniques to use it in large organizations. He shares his own experience from his University days when most of the software had set stacks and it was difficult to deviate from them. 2:24 - Nathan agrees by saying that changes in bigger organizations are indeed hard, but he has had some amount of success in sneaking Ruby into side projects, automation and testing but not in official production code yet. 3:34 - Dave shares his story about his company undergoing a gradual change from being a heavy .NET shop to using Ruby in certain projects to finally getting acquired by Sage which had Ruby on Rails for the most part. 5:20 - Charles talks about the time at University when mostly everything was mainframe based, hard to replace and integrations were extremely difficult. 6:30 - Nathan says that they are using mainframe too and have no automated tests, no code refactoring and the company is trying to move off mainframe, but the process is quite complex. 7:40 - Charles asks about the duration required to make the transition to which Nathan answers that they are working on it for 3 years, but the progress is quite slow, and their goal is to do it by the year 2025. 8:37 - Dave discusses how companies try to move to efficient methodologies like agile from waterfall, but then get scared or don’t get expected results and fall back into the old comfortable way of doing things. Charles chips in saying that the flipside is that companies do hire people that make them aware of the dangers, security issues and lawsuits that could arise from working with ancient systems and code, not to mention the high costs involved in hiring people with those skills, so in the end it is a tradeoff. Nathan agrees while saying that they are trying to mitigate the high costs by adopting an outsourcing model. 10:50 - Charles asks Nathan where exactly he gets Ruby in the picture. Nathan answers in detail that he learnt Ruby in college, and in his current job, he started working on small automation projects. He tried different options and wrote some applications, generated reports and expanded into automation for customer setups as well. After that he moved on to building complicated automation tools. 14:15 – Dave talks about the need for automation and affirms that Ruby is a good choice for it. 15:40 – Charles says that he has written a fully blown Rails application to automate podcasts as well. 16:15 – Dave asks if Nathan uses Ruby for projects outside of work too. Nathan says that he has used it for things like automating the recording and uploading of a Bible study lecture and would like to start a Rails project to hone the skill. 17:55 - Nathan talks about how developers do not prefer to use code for everyday tasks that are not a part of the production code, so he writes apps for them to help automate those tasks. 18:40 – Advertisement - TripleByte – 1000$ signing bonus for listeners. 19:40 – Charles asks if Nathan uses Ruby for projects other than DevOps or automation. Nathan answers that he wants to build a Ruby on Rails app that would be a dashboard for customers. 20:24 – Charles shares experiences from his old job where they would deploy Ruby using their packaging system. Nathan explains how complex the process is on his local machine. 21:40 – Dave says that while the deployment procedure is complicated, it is done to not compromise on security. Charles talks about the reason being PR fallout and data breaching as well. 22:54 – Charles asks for how long people try incorporating Ruby for their own small projects at work before moving on to companies that actually use it fulltime. Nathan explains the challenges of moving to other jobs without having official Ruby experience. 24:40 – Dave says that the resources available to learn Ruby are plenty nowadays. Charles talks about the fact that companies do hire people with just basic Ruby experience as well. They discuss about the looking at positives about the current workplace, better benefits when working for large organizations, stability and that it finally depends on what an individual wants from a job. 29:23 – Charles asks Nathan if they are having trouble finding mainframe developers to which Nathan answers in affirmative while giving his own experience. 31:00 – Dave enquires about what happens to mainframes if there is a hardware problem. Nathan answers that it is difficult to solve while giving IBM’s example and states that migration is costly. Charles also echoes his opinion, that it is getting harder to replace mainframes. 32:50 – Nathan mentions that his work is available online on the website -www.nathan.ruehs.net. 33:00 – Picks! 38:15 – They conclude by saying that hopefully the podcast helped people in getting some ideas on working with Ruby and to follow what works better in general. END – Advertisement – Cache Fly! Picks Dave Safety glasses while working on wood projects. Die Hard movie Charles George Marathon in October 2019 Hire a running coach – on Mckirdy Clarity Nathan Real Maple Syrup Ubiquiti
Sponsors Sentry use the code "devchat" for $100 credit TripleByte CacheFly Panel Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Nathan Ruehs In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Nathan Ruehs. Nathan is a programmer residing in the Milwaukee area. He started working for a large corporation right after college and is currently trying to explore newer methods to incorporate Ruby in his day to day work. The panelists and Nathan talk about ways to sneak Ruby into big companies, difficulties in working with legacy systems and more. Show Notes: 0:00 - Charles introduces the panel and reminds listeners to check out DevRev. 0:30 – Advertisement: Sentry 1:27 - Nathan introduces himself by briefly describing his background and states that he is exploring ways to use Ruby in things that he’s working with. 1:50 - Charles asks Nathan about Ruby in general and techniques to use it in large organizations. He shares his own experience from his University days when most of the software had set stacks and it was difficult to deviate from them. 2:24 - Nathan agrees by saying that changes in bigger organizations are indeed hard, but he has had some amount of success in sneaking Ruby into side projects, automation and testing but not in official production code yet. 3:34 - Dave shares his story about his company undergoing a gradual change from being a heavy .NET shop to using Ruby in certain projects to finally getting acquired by Sage which had Ruby on Rails for the most part. 5:20 - Charles talks about the time at University when mostly everything was mainframe based, hard to replace and integrations were extremely difficult. 6:30 - Nathan says that they are using mainframe too and have no automated tests, no code refactoring and the company is trying to move off mainframe, but the process is quite complex. 7:40 - Charles asks about the duration required to make the transition to which Nathan answers that they are working on it for 3 years, but the progress is quite slow, and their goal is to do it by the year 2025. 8:37 - Dave discusses how companies try to move to efficient methodologies like agile from waterfall, but then get scared or don’t get expected results and fall back into the old comfortable way of doing things. Charles chips in saying that the flipside is that companies do hire people that make them aware of the dangers, security issues and lawsuits that could arise from working with ancient systems and code, not to mention the high costs involved in hiring people with those skills, so in the end it is a tradeoff. Nathan agrees while saying that they are trying to mitigate the high costs by adopting an outsourcing model. 10:50 - Charles asks Nathan where exactly he gets Ruby in the picture. Nathan answers in detail that he learnt Ruby in college, and in his current job, he started working on small automation projects. He tried different options and wrote some applications, generated reports and expanded into automation for customer setups as well. After that he moved on to building complicated automation tools. 14:15 – Dave talks about the need for automation and affirms that Ruby is a good choice for it. 15:40 – Charles says that he has written a fully blown Rails application to automate podcasts as well. 16:15 – Dave asks if Nathan uses Ruby for projects outside of work too. Nathan says that he has used it for things like automating the recording and uploading of a Bible study lecture and would like to start a Rails project to hone the skill. 17:55 - Nathan talks about how developers do not prefer to use code for everyday tasks that are not a part of the production code, so he writes apps for them to help automate those tasks. 18:40 – Advertisement - TripleByte – 1000$ signing bonus for listeners. 19:40 – Charles asks if Nathan uses Ruby for projects other than DevOps or automation. Nathan answers that he wants to build a Ruby on Rails app that would be a dashboard for customers. 20:24 – Charles shares experiences from his old job where they would deploy Ruby using their packaging system. Nathan explains how complex the process is on his local machine. 21:40 – Dave says that while the deployment procedure is complicated, it is done to not compromise on security. Charles talks about the reason being PR fallout and data breaching as well. 22:54 – Charles asks for how long people try incorporating Ruby for their own small projects at work before moving on to companies that actually use it fulltime. Nathan explains the challenges of moving to other jobs without having official Ruby experience. 24:40 – Dave says that the resources available to learn Ruby are plenty nowadays. Charles talks about the fact that companies do hire people with just basic Ruby experience as well. They discuss about the looking at positives about the current workplace, better benefits when working for large organizations, stability and that it finally depends on what an individual wants from a job. 29:23 – Charles asks Nathan if they are having trouble finding mainframe developers to which Nathan answers in affirmative while giving his own experience. 31:00 – Dave enquires about what happens to mainframes if there is a hardware problem. Nathan answers that it is difficult to solve while giving IBM’s example and states that migration is costly. Charles also echoes his opinion, that it is getting harder to replace mainframes. 32:50 – Nathan mentions that his work is available online on the website -www.nathan.ruehs.net. 33:00 – Picks! 38:15 – They conclude by saying that hopefully the podcast helped people in getting some ideas on working with Ruby and to follow what works better in general. END – Advertisement – Cache Fly! Picks Dave Safety glasses while working on wood projects. Die Hard movie Charles George Marathon in October 2019 Hire a running coach – on Mckirdy Clarity Nathan Real Maple Syrup Ubiquiti
Sponsors Sentry use the code "devchat" for $100 credit TripleByte CacheFly Panel Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Nathan Ruehs In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Nathan Ruehs. Nathan is a programmer residing in the Milwaukee area. He started working for a large corporation right after college and is currently trying to explore newer methods to incorporate Ruby in his day to day work. The panelists and Nathan talk about ways to sneak Ruby into big companies, difficulties in working with legacy systems and more. Show Notes: 0:00 - Charles introduces the panel and reminds listeners to check out DevRev. 0:30 – Advertisement: Sentry 1:27 - Nathan introduces himself by briefly describing his background and states that he is exploring ways to use Ruby in things that he’s working with. 1:50 - Charles asks Nathan about Ruby in general and techniques to use it in large organizations. He shares his own experience from his University days when most of the software had set stacks and it was difficult to deviate from them. 2:24 - Nathan agrees by saying that changes in bigger organizations are indeed hard, but he has had some amount of success in sneaking Ruby into side projects, automation and testing but not in official production code yet. 3:34 - Dave shares his story about his company undergoing a gradual change from being a heavy .NET shop to using Ruby in certain projects to finally getting acquired by Sage which had Ruby on Rails for the most part. 5:20 - Charles talks about the time at University when mostly everything was mainframe based, hard to replace and integrations were extremely difficult. 6:30 - Nathan says that they are using mainframe too and have no automated tests, no code refactoring and the company is trying to move off mainframe, but the process is quite complex. 7:40 - Charles asks about the duration required to make the transition to which Nathan answers that they are working on it for 3 years, but the progress is quite slow, and their goal is to do it by the year 2025. 8:37 - Dave discusses how companies try to move to efficient methodologies like agile from waterfall, but then get scared or don’t get expected results and fall back into the old comfortable way of doing things. Charles chips in saying that the flipside is that companies do hire people that make them aware of the dangers, security issues and lawsuits that could arise from working with ancient systems and code, not to mention the high costs involved in hiring people with those skills, so in the end it is a tradeoff. Nathan agrees while saying that they are trying to mitigate the high costs by adopting an outsourcing model. 10:50 - Charles asks Nathan where exactly he gets Ruby in the picture. Nathan answers in detail that he learnt Ruby in college, and in his current job, he started working on small automation projects. He tried different options and wrote some applications, generated reports and expanded into automation for customer setups as well. After that he moved on to building complicated automation tools. 14:15 – Dave talks about the need for automation and affirms that Ruby is a good choice for it. 15:40 – Charles says that he has written a fully blown Rails application to automate podcasts as well. 16:15 – Dave asks if Nathan uses Ruby for projects outside of work too. Nathan says that he has used it for things like automating the recording and uploading of a Bible study lecture and would like to start a Rails project to hone the skill. 17:55 - Nathan talks about how developers do not prefer to use code for everyday tasks that are not a part of the production code, so he writes apps for them to help automate those tasks. 18:40 – Advertisement - TripleByte – 1000$ signing bonus for listeners. 19:40 – Charles asks if Nathan uses Ruby for projects other than DevOps or automation. Nathan answers that he wants to build a Ruby on Rails app that would be a dashboard for customers. 20:24 – Charles shares experiences from his old job where they would deploy Ruby using their packaging system. Nathan explains how complex the process is on his local machine. 21:40 – Dave says that while the deployment procedure is complicated, it is done to not compromise on security. Charles talks about the reason being PR fallout and data breaching as well. 22:54 – Charles asks for how long people try incorporating Ruby for their own small projects at work before moving on to companies that actually use it fulltime. Nathan explains the challenges of moving to other jobs without having official Ruby experience. 24:40 – Dave says that the resources available to learn Ruby are plenty nowadays. Charles talks about the fact that companies do hire people with just basic Ruby experience as well. They discuss about the looking at positives about the current workplace, better benefits when working for large organizations, stability and that it finally depends on what an individual wants from a job. 29:23 – Charles asks Nathan if they are having trouble finding mainframe developers to which Nathan answers in affirmative while giving his own experience. 31:00 – Dave enquires about what happens to mainframes if there is a hardware problem. Nathan answers that it is difficult to solve while giving IBM’s example and states that migration is costly. Charles also echoes his opinion, that it is getting harder to replace mainframes. 32:50 – Nathan mentions that his work is available online on the website -www.nathan.ruehs.net. 33:00 – Picks! 38:15 – They conclude by saying that hopefully the podcast helped people in getting some ideas on working with Ruby and to follow what works better in general. END – Advertisement – Cache Fly! 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Panel: Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Kent C. Dodds In this episode, the panelist talk with today’s guest, Kent C. Dodds who works for PayPal, is an instructor, and works through open source! Kent lives in Utah with his wife and four children. Kent and the panel talk today about testing – check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:32 – Chuck: Hello! My new show is TheDevRev – please go check it out! 1:35 – Panel: I want all of it! 1:43 – Chuck: Our guest is Kent C. Dodds! You were on the show for a while and then you got busy. 2:06 – Guest. 3:09 – Panel: The kid part is impressive. 3:20 – Guest: Yeah it’s awesome, but the kid part is my wife! 4:09 – Panel: 10 years ago we weren’t having any tests and then now we are thinking about how to write better tests. It’s the next step on that subject. What is your story with tests and what sparked these ideas? 4:50 – Guest. 7:25 – Panel: We have a bunch of tests at my work. “There is no such thing as too many tests” are being said a lot! Then we started talking about unit tests and there was this shift. The tests, for me, felt cumbersome. How do I know that this suite of tests are actually helping me and not hurting me? 8:32 – Guest: I think that is a valuable insight. 11:03 – Panel: What is the make-up of a good test? 11:13 – Guest: Test every line – everything! No. 11:19 – Chuck: “Look at everything!” I don’t know where to start, man! 11:30 – Guest: How do you avoid those false negatives and false positives. 15:38 – Panel: The end user is going to be like more of integration test, and the developer user will be more like a unit tester? 16:01 – Guest: I don’t care too much of the distinction between unit and integration tests. 18:36 – Panel: I have worked in testing in the past. One of the big things that fall on the users’ flow is that it’s difficult b/c maybe a tool like Selenium: when will things render? Are you still testing things in isolation? 19:33 – Guest: It depends. When I talk about UI integration testing I am still mocking the backend. 23:10 – Chuck: I am curious, where do you decide these are expensive (so I don’t want to do too many of them), but at what point is it worth it to do it? 23:30 – Guest mentions the testing pyramid. 28:14 – Chuck: Why do you care about confidence? What is confidence and what does it matter? 28:35 – FreshBooks! 29:50 – Guest. 32:20 – Panel: I have something to add about the testing pyramid. Lucas talks about tooling, Mocha, JS Dong, and more! 33:44 – Guest: I think the testing pyramid is outdated and I have created my own. Guest talks about static testing, LINT, Cypress, and more! 35:32 – Chuck: When I was a new developer, people talked about using tests to track down bugs. What if it’s a hairy bug? 36:07 – Guest: If you can, you can use this methodical approach... 39:46 – Panel: Let’s talk about the React library for a little bit? Panel: Part of the confidence of the tests we write we ask ourselves “will it stand the test of time?” How does the React Testing library go about to solve that? 41:05 – Guest. 47:51 – Panel: A few more questions. When you are getting something and testing and grabbing the label by its text have you found that to be fragile? Is it reasonably reliable? 48:57 – Guest: Yeah this is a concern and it relies on content. 53:06 – Panel: I like this idea of having a different library. Sometimes we think that a powerful tool is better, but after spending some time with other tools that’s not always the case. 54:16 – Guest: “You tie your hands to free your mind.” It does less but what it does less it does better. 55:42 – Panel: I think that with Cypress, too? 55:51 – Guest: Yeah that’s why Cypress is great to use. 57:17 – Panel: I wrote a small library here at work and it deals with metrics. I automated all of those small clicks – write a bit – click a bit – and it was really good. I felt quite efficient. Those became the tests. 57:58 – Panel: One more question: What about react Native? That comes up a lot. At looking at testing libraries we try to keep parody between the two. Do you have any thoughts on that? 58:34 – Guest talks about React Native. 1:00:22 – Panel: Anything else? It’s fascinating to talk about and dive-into these topics. When we talk about confidence that is very powerful, too. 1:01:02 – Panelist asks the last question! 1:01:38 – Guest: You could show them the coverage support. Links: Ruby on Rails Angular JavaScript Elm Phoenix GitHub Get A Coder Job Enzyme React Testing Library Cypress.io Hillel Wayne Testing JavaScript with Kent C. Dodds Kent Dodds’ News Kent Dodds’ Blog Egghead.io – Kent C. Dodds Ready to Write a Novel? Practical TLA+ GitHub: Circleci-queue GitHub: sstephenson / bats Todoist Discord Kent’s Twitter Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Fresh Books Kendo UI Picks: Lucas Hillel Wayne Practical TLA+ Justin Circle CI Queue Bats Todoists Charles MFCEO Project Podcast The DevRev Kent Discord Devs Who Write Finding your Why! TestingJavaScript.com kcd.im/news kcd.i./hooks-and-suspense NaNoWriMo
Panel: Mark Ericksen Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Kamil Lelonek In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Kamil Lelonek who is a full-stack developer and programmer. Chuck, Mark, and Kamil talk about Elixir, Postgrex, databases, and so much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:48 – Chuck: Hello! Our panel today is Mark and myself. Friendly reminder to listeners: check out my show the DevRev. Our guest today is Kamil Lelonek! 1:23 – Guest. 1:43 – Chuck: Today, we are talking about databases. 1:55 – Guest. 3:10 – Mark: We have your blog that you wrote in our show notes. Talk about your experience with exploring these features? 3:39 – Chuck. 3:46 – Mark: I didn’t know those features are in Postgrex. Can you talk about your experience and your journey? 4:10 – Guest. 6:17 – Mark: I am curious, what problem were you trying to solve? 6:31 – Guest. 8:12 – Mark: I like you saying: rather than modifying the application code itself, you created a separate application. I think Elixir is a good fit for that – what’s your experience with this? 8:40 – Guest: I agree with this, but let’s think about it in the other way. 9:48 – Mark: Yeah I can see that. It’s good to be aware of the upsides and downsides. It’s an interesting idea. 10:40 – Guest. 11:38 – Chuck: My experience is mostly in Rails. The other way I have solved this problem is “pulling” but this way is more elegant. Before we have talked with Chris McCord about LiveVue. Is there a way to hook this handler up to LiveVue to stream the changes all the way up to the frontend of web application with Phoenix? 12:20 – Guest. 12:55 – Mark talks about Elixir and GenServer. 13:29 – Guest. 13:49 – Mark: Please go and read Kamil’s blog post because it’s simple and it’s written well! Mark: I think Elixir is a great usage for GenServers. 14:28 – Guest. 14:35 – Chuck: You setup a store procedure, which I don’t see a lot of people doing within the communities. How necessary is that store procedure that you’ve created there? 15:00 – Guest. 16:16 – Chuck: What if you want to do targeted notifications? 16:28 – Guest. 17:33 – Mark: I am curious if you have experimented with the practical limitations of this? Like at one point does it start to break down? 18:00 – Guest. 20:00 – Chuck: I will be honest I am kind of lazy. Outside of the general use I don’t go looking for these, but when I hear about them I say: wow! 20:09 – Guest. 20:57 – Chuck. 21:15 – Guest talks about solutions that he’s found. 22:08 – FreshBooks! 23:17 – Mark: What other kind of databases have you had experience with for comparison reasons? 23:40 – Guest. 24:56 – Mark: You talked about defaults and I want to come back to this topic. 25:08 – Mark asks Chuck a question. 25:12 – Chuck: I don’t know. 25:23 – Mark talks about the databases that his work utilizes. 26:45 – Mark and Chuck go back-and-forth. 27:49 – Guest mentions a solution to the before-mentioned problem that Mark gave. 28:47 – Mark: It can get messy. I don’t repose this as a permanent solution, but it allows you do a staged-migration. 29:15 – Chuck: Do you run into problems with Postgrex? Most technologies if you don’t run into problems you aren’t pushing it enough (at least that’s my experience). 29:29 – Guest answers the question. 30:26 – Mark talks about active, active, active. 31:14 – Guest. 33:25 – Mark: In Elixir, we talk about the things that are in the box and one thing that comes up is “mnesia.” Can you talk about this please? 33:47 – Guest talks about mnesia. 35:17 – Mark talks about mnesia some more. Mark: It is an available option (mnesia), but I don’t know if it’s something that people want when they are looking for something more traditional. 37:04 – Guest. 37:30 – Mark: Yeah something people should be aware of. If you are encountering problems it’s good to know the different tools that are out there and available. 38:42 – Mark: One question: What are some of your favorite features of Postgrex? 38:57 – Guest. 41:08 – Mark talks about Postgrex’s features. 42:14 – Guest. 43:10 – Mark: I had a case where Elixir and Erlang and you can convert term to binary and binary to term. I took some data structure and converted it to a binary and using Ecto and tell it: serialize this and when it loads back out it is a native Elixir type. It’s not always the right solution, but in my cases it actually worked. 43:59 – Guest talks about a library that he wrote back-in-the-day. 44:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Nope? Okay – Picks! 44:52 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir Elixir: GenServer GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React “How to use LISTEN and NOTIFY PostgreSQL commands in Elixir?" By Kamil Lelonek Guest’s Medium Blog Postgrex.Notifications Redis.io Event Store PostgreSQL MongoDB Erlang: mnesia GitHub: cachex GitHub: meh / amnesia PostGIS When to use Ecto, when to use Mnesia PostgreSQL Ecto.Type GitHub: Exnumerator YouTube: Entreprogrammers Kamil’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Being professionally proactive! Chuck Get A Coder Job eBook Challenge: Pomodoro Technique Kamil Book: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman My Blog My Site
Panel: Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Kent C. Dodds In this episode, the panelist talk with today’s guest, Kent C. Dodds who works for PayPal, is an instructor, and works through open source! Kent lives in Utah with his wife and four children. Kent and the panel talk today about testing – check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:32 – Chuck: Hello! My new show is TheDevRev – please go check it out! 1:35 – Panel: I want all of it! 1:43 – Chuck: Our guest is Kent C. Dodds! You were on the show for a while and then you got busy. 2:06 – Guest. 3:09 – Panel: The kid part is impressive. 3:20 – Guest: Yeah it’s awesome, but the kid part is my wife! 4:09 – Panel: 10 years ago we weren’t having any tests and then now we are thinking about how to write better tests. It’s the next step on that subject. What is your story with tests and what sparked these ideas? 4:50 – Guest. 7:25 – Panel: We have a bunch of tests at my work. “There is no such thing as too many tests” are being said a lot! Then we started talking about unit tests and there was this shift. The tests, for me, felt cumbersome. How do I know that this suite of tests are actually helping me and not hurting me? 8:32 – Guest: I think that is a valuable insight. 11:03 – Panel: What is the make-up of a good test? 11:13 – Guest: Test every line – everything! No. 11:19 – Chuck: “Look at everything!” I don’t know where to start, man! 11:30 – Guest: How do you avoid those false negatives and false positives. 15:38 – Panel: The end user is going to be like more of integration test, and the developer user will be more like a unit tester? 16:01 – Guest: I don’t care too much of the distinction between unit and integration tests. 18:36 – Panel: I have worked in testing in the past. One of the big things that fall on the users’ flow is that it’s difficult b/c maybe a tool like Selenium: when will things render? Are you still testing things in isolation? 19:33 – Guest: It depends. When I talk about UI integration testing I am still mocking the backend. 23:10 – Chuck: I am curious, where do you decide these are expensive (so I don’t want to do too many of them), but at what point is it worth it to do it? 23:30 – Guest mentions the testing pyramid. 28:14 – Chuck: Why do you care about confidence? What is confidence and what does it matter? 28:35 – FreshBooks! 29:50 – Guest. 32:20 – Panel: I have something to add about the testing pyramid. Lucas talks about tooling, Mocha, JS Dong, and more! 33:44 – Guest: I think the testing pyramid is outdated and I have created my own. Guest talks about static testing, LINT, Cypress, and more! 35:32 – Chuck: When I was a new developer, people talked about using tests to track down bugs. What if it’s a hairy bug? 36:07 – Guest: If you can, you can use this methodical approach... 39:46 – Panel: Let’s talk about the React library for a little bit? Panel: Part of the confidence of the tests we write we ask ourselves “will it stand the test of time?” How does the React Testing library go about to solve that? 41:05 – Guest. 47:51 – Panel: A few more questions. When you are getting something and testing and grabbing the label by its text have you found that to be fragile? Is it reasonably reliable? 48:57 – Guest: Yeah this is a concern and it relies on content. 53:06 – Panel: I like this idea of having a different library. Sometimes we think that a powerful tool is better, but after spending some time with other tools that’s not always the case. 54:16 – Guest: “You tie your hands to free your mind.” It does less but what it does less it does better. 55:42 – Panel: I think that with Cypress, too? 55:51 – Guest: Yeah that’s why Cypress is great to use. 57:17 – Panel: I wrote a small library here at work and it deals with metrics. I automated all of those small clicks – write a bit – click a bit – and it was really good. I felt quite efficient. Those became the tests. 57:58 – Panel: One more question: What about react Native? That comes up a lot. At looking at testing libraries we try to keep parody between the two. Do you have any thoughts on that? 58:34 – Guest talks about React Native. 1:00:22 – Panel: Anything else? It’s fascinating to talk about and dive-into these topics. When we talk about confidence that is very powerful, too. 1:01:02 – Panelist asks the last question! 1:01:38 – Guest: You could show them the coverage support. Links: Ruby on Rails Angular JavaScript Elm Phoenix GitHub Get A Coder Job Enzyme React Testing Library Cypress.io Hillel Wayne Testing JavaScript with Kent C. Dodds Kent Dodds’ News Kent Dodds’ Blog Egghead.io – Kent C. Dodds Ready to Write a Novel? Practical TLA+ GitHub: Circleci-queue GitHub: sstephenson / bats Todoist Discord Kent’s Twitter Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Fresh Books Kendo UI Picks: Lucas Hillel Wayne Practical TLA+ Justin Circle CI Queue Bats Todoists Charles MFCEO Project Podcast The DevRev Kent Discord Devs Who Write Finding your Why! TestingJavaScript.com kcd.im/news kcd.i./hooks-and-suspense NaNoWriMo
Panel: Mark Ericksen Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Kamil Lelonek In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Kamil Lelonek who is a full-stack developer and programmer. Chuck, Mark, and Kamil talk about Elixir, Postgrex, databases, and so much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:48 – Chuck: Hello! Our panel today is Mark and myself. Friendly reminder to listeners: check out my show the DevRev. Our guest today is Kamil Lelonek! 1:23 – Guest. 1:43 – Chuck: Today, we are talking about databases. 1:55 – Guest. 3:10 – Mark: We have your blog that you wrote in our show notes. Talk about your experience with exploring these features? 3:39 – Chuck. 3:46 – Mark: I didn’t know those features are in Postgrex. Can you talk about your experience and your journey? 4:10 – Guest. 6:17 – Mark: I am curious, what problem were you trying to solve? 6:31 – Guest. 8:12 – Mark: I like you saying: rather than modifying the application code itself, you created a separate application. I think Elixir is a good fit for that – what’s your experience with this? 8:40 – Guest: I agree with this, but let’s think about it in the other way. 9:48 – Mark: Yeah I can see that. It’s good to be aware of the upsides and downsides. It’s an interesting idea. 10:40 – Guest. 11:38 – Chuck: My experience is mostly in Rails. The other way I have solved this problem is “pulling” but this way is more elegant. Before we have talked with Chris McCord about LiveVue. Is there a way to hook this handler up to LiveVue to stream the changes all the way up to the frontend of web application with Phoenix? 12:20 – Guest. 12:55 – Mark talks about Elixir and GenServer. 13:29 – Guest. 13:49 – Mark: Please go and read Kamil’s blog post because it’s simple and it’s written well! Mark: I think Elixir is a great usage for GenServers. 14:28 – Guest. 14:35 – Chuck: You setup a store procedure, which I don’t see a lot of people doing within the communities. How necessary is that store procedure that you’ve created there? 15:00 – Guest. 16:16 – Chuck: What if you want to do targeted notifications? 16:28 – Guest. 17:33 – Mark: I am curious if you have experimented with the practical limitations of this? Like at one point does it start to break down? 18:00 – Guest. 20:00 – Chuck: I will be honest I am kind of lazy. Outside of the general use I don’t go looking for these, but when I hear about them I say: wow! 20:09 – Guest. 20:57 – Chuck. 21:15 – Guest talks about solutions that he’s found. 22:08 – FreshBooks! 23:17 – Mark: What other kind of databases have you had experience with for comparison reasons? 23:40 – Guest. 24:56 – Mark: You talked about defaults and I want to come back to this topic. 25:08 – Mark asks Chuck a question. 25:12 – Chuck: I don’t know. 25:23 – Mark talks about the databases that his work utilizes. 26:45 – Mark and Chuck go back-and-forth. 27:49 – Guest mentions a solution to the before-mentioned problem that Mark gave. 28:47 – Mark: It can get messy. I don’t repose this as a permanent solution, but it allows you do a staged-migration. 29:15 – Chuck: Do you run into problems with Postgrex? Most technologies if you don’t run into problems you aren’t pushing it enough (at least that’s my experience). 29:29 – Guest answers the question. 30:26 – Mark talks about active, active, active. 31:14 – Guest. 33:25 – Mark: In Elixir, we talk about the things that are in the box and one thing that comes up is “mnesia.” Can you talk about this please? 33:47 – Guest talks about mnesia. 35:17 – Mark talks about mnesia some more. Mark: It is an available option (mnesia), but I don’t know if it’s something that people want when they are looking for something more traditional. 37:04 – Guest. 37:30 – Mark: Yeah something people should be aware of. If you are encountering problems it’s good to know the different tools that are out there and available. 38:42 – Mark: One question: What are some of your favorite features of Postgrex? 38:57 – Guest. 41:08 – Mark talks about Postgrex’s features. 42:14 – Guest. 43:10 – Mark: I had a case where Elixir and Erlang and you can convert term to binary and binary to term. I took some data structure and converted it to a binary and using Ecto and tell it: serialize this and when it loads back out it is a native Elixir type. It’s not always the right solution, but in my cases it actually worked. 43:59 – Guest talks about a library that he wrote back-in-the-day. 44:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Nope? Okay – Picks! 44:52 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir Elixir: GenServer GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React “How to use LISTEN and NOTIFY PostgreSQL commands in Elixir?" By Kamil Lelonek Guest’s Medium Blog Postgrex.Notifications Redis.io Event Store PostgreSQL MongoDB Erlang: mnesia GitHub: cachex GitHub: meh / amnesia PostGIS When to use Ecto, when to use Mnesia PostgreSQL Ecto.Type GitHub: Exnumerator YouTube: Entreprogrammers Kamil’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Being professionally proactive! Chuck Get A Coder Job eBook Challenge: Pomodoro Technique Kamil Book: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman My Blog My Site
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura David Richards Charles Max Wood In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk amongst themselves on today’s topic, which is “speculation on frameworks.” They consider where the tech community currently is right now, and where it’s heading towards the future. They bring-up topics such as: Rails, Ruby, Angular, Agile, and much more. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:47 – Chuck: Check out the DevRev 2:08 – Panel: A topic about “speculation” would be great today. What are we seeing in the community: what we like/don’t like, and what would you want to change? He talks about action text, JavaScript framework, and more. 3:41 – Chuck: Service-side rendering is what we talked about in the past. Divya does this with service–side rendering. For content sites that approach makes a lot of sense. I have playing around with this for the past week or so. I was taking it to rendering it to text. 4:39 – Panel: Yeah, that’s the way to go. 5:29 – Chuck: You are talking about a fully side UI. 5:45 – Panel: I thought it was just my age so I am glad we are talking about this. The hip kids want to make these beautiful frontend sites. I want to keep it simple and then justify more later. I guess I would never be as hip but as long as my stuff gets out there – that’s all that matters to me. 6:28 – Panel: Yeah don’t get me wrong...nobody will want to develop your product if it was built 30 years ago. If it is a startup you want it to look good with a nice UI. Nobody will purchase if it looks outdated. How much maintenance do I want to invest into this? Why add another component into that if you cannot maintain it. 7:56 – Chuck: Yeah I have come into this issue while building the Podcast Service that I am creating. 8:25 – Panel: These are good frameworks and they feel great. I don’t realize the complexity that I am taking on sometimes. I have a lot of complexity on my hands: did I need it? 9:02 – Chuck: Sometimes my problem is that I am trying to pull it in after-the-fact. Like the forms to animate or this and that have to slide in. I want a natural feel to the UX. I looked at React and then I didn’t go that way. I have been podcasting about Angular for 4 years, but it was a no-go for my project. For my solution – it makes sense to just get it going and get it rolling. 10:45 – Panel: When we do use Action Vue we are prone to get lazy. What I mean by that is making database calls. 12:01 – Panel: You can think: Inside-Out! That creates an identity around the project. If I can think of that before going in, then everyone knows what we are doing and what their role is. It’s really obvious. Simple things grow into bigger things. I am a fan of service-side objects. It’s a daily work process. That feels good to me and it’s programmatic for me. 13:24 – Chuck: You aren’t saying: I don’t want or I don’t need ... what you are saying is: I will get this tool when I need it. 13:45 – Panel: You can say: “Hey this is what we are going to do and WHY we are going to do it.” It’s nice to come back to old projects and to see that it’s still solid. It’s nice to see that and people own that software and didn’t have to keep updating. 15:06 – Chuck: It reminds me of the Agile development stuff. The approach between Angular and React and Vue are fairly different. They are reasonably different. There will be tradeoffs between which one to use. When you are making that decision then you can make the appropriate decision on that. 16:10 – Panel: I remember in the prior years when the Rails community grew their own people and you were a RAILS person; now it’s you’re a WEB person. 17:43 – Panel: In a lot of cases it’s good to see what’s out there and to see what’s new; especially early on if they end up being ahead of their time. Then you are an early pioneer in that area. There’s nothing wrong with that, but when you are introducing new things into your core you are running into unforeseeable risks. I am not an early adapter of React, but I know enough of the pros and cons of the framework. 19:48 – Panel: I like that. Maybe I “should” adapt that framework and maybe I am not the right person to do so. 21:06 – Chuck: Dave brought us to a new topic and that’s: being an early adapter. Some people want a name, some people want to invent stuff and so many more reasons “why.” I don’t want to “poo poo” the idea but you need to know WHY. 21:48 – Panel: The cost of developers is A LOT. I just think if I was building a house and I had that expense then I better get a really nice house out of it. I want to do a good job and that’s important. On the business – side they have to rely on us and decisions that are in the best interest for everyone. 22:50 – Fresh Books! 23:53 – Chuck: So what do you guys think about: what’s coming? Do you feel like things are going to move away from frontend frameworks? Will there be a large adoption curve? 24:30 – Panel: If we are talking about the space of Ruby on Rails then you want it to be maintainable. You don’t want to steer too far away from its core. 28:11 – Panel: Good I like that. There are great tools that we are getting through Google, Facebook and they have great tools for these apps. They are looking for the 1-person startup very much like Basecamp. It’s all possible that we are holding onto these technologies that are great but does it fit ME. Do I want to maintain things? Do I want to make this more complicated? Especially if I really don’t fit into what I’m trying to do. 29:13 – Panel: Yeah some people in the DOT NET world they were really struggling with some modern approaches. 30:42 – Panel: One of our listeners texted me b/c we are recording LIVE. Panelist reads off from a listener’s text message that uses a quote. 31:16 – Panel: When I started Ruby it was a PHP project and I couldn’t get there. I didn’t have enough bandwidth. It was easy for me to build the RAILS way. 32:02 – Chuck: I was introduced to PHP in college, early 2000’s. I really enjoyed it and I was fairly productive and then I found Rails. 32:27 – Panelist talks about PHP, flash frontend, and more. 34:42 – Chuck: Could and will something come along that will affect the way we write code? 34:56 – Panel: Yes, b/c I think technology is sustainable for a certain amount of time before things start to change again. Look at the iPhones and the Android phones. 38:26 – Panel: I think it takes time to do something well. Panelist talks about Rails, Ruby, data, and more! 40:25 – Panel: It’s interesting b/c the tradeoff used to be much bigger. The bandwidth is better, the screens are better, the way we do things are better. There is much of a tradeoff. That’s how people are interacting with our business and our products. I tend to write these flowery articles that I don’t publish. There was something in the air and in the mid-2000’s we were launching Netflix, and all of these things were happening at that time. A lot is happening now but it’s different now. Where are we going? Where would I be happy to work? If we can get on the phone and inside of our data and it just adds more value. It’s not an easy answer to “Where are we going?” but it’s good to talk about it b/c people might be afraid to ask and to answer. 43:13 – Chuck: Anything else or picks? 43:19 – Panel: We are saying today: we aren’t trying to break-out of this bubble, but we are saying: let’s get closer to the user and there is so much opportunity in THIS space!! 44:10 – Panel: The technology is tapped-out right now. 44:50 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Book: Desert Cabal Habits for Hackers Home Depot: DeWalt Harbor Freight 11ty Masterminds Webinar Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Dewalt Drill Dust Collector David Habits for Hackers Desert Cabal (for funnies) Charles Mastermind Hunter 11ty.io
Panel: Chris Fritz Charles Max Wood In this episode, the panel consists of Chris and Charles who talk about developer freedom. Chuck talks about his new show called The DevRev. The guys also talk about time management, answering e-mails, being self-employed, and their goals/hopes/dreams that they want to achieve in life. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:30 – Chuck: Hi! Today our panel is Chris and myself. My new show is The DevRev. There is a lot of aspect of our job that boil down to freedom. Figure out what they like to do and eliminate the things that they don’t like to do. I think it will be 5x a week and I will have a guest every week. What does freedom mean to you? What is your ideal coding situation where you don’t starve? 2:10 – Chris: Let me take a step-back. Why I got into coding it was even before that and it was education. I wanted to work with schools and not necessarily tied to only one school. As a programmer I cannot be asked to do things that I don’t agree with. 3:21 – Chuck: A lot of this thought-process came up b/c of my initial steps into my self-employment. I wanted to go to my son’s activities. I saw freelancing as an option and then had to do that b/c I got laid-off. I hate being told what to do. I have an HOA in my neighborhood and I hate it. They tell me when and how to mow my lawn. This is how I operate it. I hate that they tell me to mow my lawn. I want to talk to people who I want to talk to – that’s my idea of freedom. Everyone’s different idea of what “freedom” is will be different. 5:36 – Chris: I want more time to create more free stuff. Chris talks about DEV experience. 6:28 – Chuck: How did you get to that point of figuring out what you want to do? 6:44 – Chris: I still am figuring that out. I do have a lot of opportunities that are really exciting for me. It’s deciding what I like at that moment and choosing what I want to do vs. not what is going to wear me down. I don’t want to die with regret. There is a distinction between bad tired and good tired. You weren’t true to what you thought was right – and so you don’t settle easy. You toss and turn. I want to end with “good tired” both for the end of the day and for the end of my life. 8:00 – Chuck: I agree with that and I really identify with that. 8:44 – Chris: How do you measure yourself? 8:54 – Chuck: It’s hard to quantify it in only one idea. It’s hard to measure. I list out 5 things I need to do to get me closer to my [one] big goal. I have to get those 5 things done. Most of the time I can make it and I keep grinding on it before I can be done. 9:51 – Chris: My bar is pretty low. Is there more joy / more happiness in the world today in the world b/c of what I’ve done today? I know I will make mistakes in code – and that hurts, no day will be perfect. I try to have a net positive affect everyday. 10:53 – Chris: I can fall easily into depression if I have too many bad days back-to-back. 11:03 – Chuck: I agree and I have to take time off if that happens. 11:13 – Chris talks about open source work and he mentions HOPE IN SOURCE, also Babel. 12:23 – Chuck: When I got to church and there is this component of being together and working towards the same goals. It’s more than just community. There is a real – something in common that we have. 12:57 – Chris: Do you think it’s similar to open source? 13:05 – Chuck: You can watch a podcast in-lieu of an actual in-person sermon. In my church community it’s – Building Each Other Up. It’s not the same for when I contribute to open source. 13:43 – Chris: I ask myself: Is it of value? If I were to die would that work help progress the humankind? By the time I die - I will be completely useless b/c everything in my head is out there in other peoples’ heads. 14:35 – Chuck: When I am gone – I want someone to step into my void and continue that. These shows should be able to go on even if I am not around. I want to make sure that these shows can keep going. 15:48 – Chris: How can we build each other up? We want to have opportunities to grow. I try to provide that for members of the team and vice versa. The amount of respect that I have seen in my communities is quite amazing. I admire Thorsten on the Vue team a lot. (Thorsten’s Twitter.) He talked about compassion and how to communicate with each other and code with compassion. That’s better community and better software. You are forced to thin from multiple perspectives. You want to learn from these various perspectives. 17:44 – Chuck: The ideas behind the camaraderie are great. 17:56 – Chris: And Sarah Drasner! 18:38 – Chuck: She probably feels fulfilled when she helps you out (Sarah). 18:54 – Chuck: We all have to look for those opportunities and take them! 19:08 – Chuck: We have been talking about personal fulfillment. For me writing some awesome code in Vue there is Boiler Plate or running the tests. 19:52 – Chuck: What tools light you up? 20:02 – Chris: I am a bit of a weirdo. I feel pretty good when I am hitting myself against a wall for 9 hours. I like feeling obsessed about something and defeating it. I love it. 21:21 – Chuck: The things that make you bang your head against the wall is awful for me. I like writing code that helps someone. (Chris: I like the challenge.) We will be charged up for different things. You like the challenge and it empowers me to help others out. 22:21 – Chris: I like learning more about how something works. I want to save people a lot of work. There has to be a social connection or I will have a hard time even attempting it. 22:52 – Chris: I also play video games where there are no social connections. I played the Witness a few months ago and I loved the puzzles. 23:45 – Chuck: What other tools are you using? 23:57 – Chris: Webpack is the best took for creating the ideal development scenario. 24:47 – Chuck mentions Boiler Plate. 25:00 – Chris: It was built to help large teams and/or large applications. I built some other projects like: Hello Vue Components & (with John Papa) Vue Monolith Example. 27:07 – Chuck: Anything else that you consider to be “freeing?” 27:13 – Chris: I like working from home. I like having my routines – they make me happy and productive. Having full control over that makes me happy. The only thing I have is my wife and my cat. 28:12 – Chuck: Yeah I don’t miss driving through traffic. 28:44 – Chris: I don’t like to be around people all day. 30:40 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 31:05 – Chris: Online I get a couple dozen people reaching out to me for different things: completely out-of-the-blue. I want to respond to most of those people but... 33:12 – Chuck: If it’s not on my calendar it won’t happen. I will get those e-mails that can be very time consuming. 33:35 – Chris: When they are asking for something “simple” – it’s not always simple. 34:30 – Chuck: I want to help everybody and that can be a problem. 35:02 – Chris: They are reaching out to me and I want to help. 35:56 – Chuck and Chris go back-and-forth. 36:18 – Chris: How do you figure out how to write a short enough response to the email – to only do 30 minutes? 36:44 – Chuck: Can I answer it in one minute? Nope – so it will go into another pile later in the week. I’ve replied saying: Here is my short-answer and for the long-answer see these references. I star those e-mails that will take too long to respond. 37:50 – Chris and Chuck go back-and-forth. 38:06 – Chuck: Your question is so good – here is the link to the blog that I wrote. 38:37 – Chris: I want to document to point people HERE to past blogs that I’ve written or to someone else’s blog. I feel guilty when I have to delegate. 39:35 – Chuck: I don’t have a problem delegating b/c that’s why I’m paying them. Everyone has his or her own role. 40:40 – Chris: Yeah that makes sense when it’s their job. 41:30 – Chuck: I know working together as a team will free me up in my areas of excellence. 41:49 – Chris: I am having a hard time with this right now. 43:36 – Chuck: We are looking for someone to fill this role and this is the job description. This way you can be EXCELLENT at what you do. You aren’t being pulled too thin. 44:19 – Chris: I have been trying to delegate more. 45:04 – Chuck: Yeah I have been trying to do more with my business, too. What do I want to do in the community? What is my focus? What is my mission and values for the business? Then you knock it out of the park! 45:51 – Chris: As a teacher it is really helpful and really not helpful. You are leading and shaping their experiences. You don’t have options to delegate. 46:27 – Chuck: Yeah my mother is a math teacher. 46:37 – Chuck: Yeah she has 10 kids, so she helps to delegate with force. She is the department head for mathematics and she does delegate some things. It’s you to teach the course. 47:18 – Chris: What promoted you to start this podcast? Is it more personal? 47:30 – Chuck talks about why he is starting this new podcast. 48:10 – Chuck: My business coach said to me: write a mission statement. When I did that things started having clarity for me. Chuck talks about the plan for the DevRev! 55:20 – Chris: I am looking forward to it! 55:34 – Chuck: It will be recorded via video through YouTube, too, in addition to iTunes (hopefully). 55:52 – Chris & Chuck: Picks! 55:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React JavaScript C# C++ C++ Programming / Memory Management Angular Blazor JavaScript DevChat TV VueCLI Boiler Plate Hello Vue Components Vue Monolith Example Thorsten’s Twitter Sarah’s Twitter Ben Hong’s Twitter Jacob Schatz’ Twitter Vue Vixens The DevRev Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Chris Vue Vixens Charles repurpose.io MFCEO Project Podcast Game - Test Version
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura David Richards Charles Max Wood In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk amongst themselves on today’s topic, which is “speculation on frameworks.” They consider where the tech community currently is right now, and where it’s heading towards the future. They bring-up topics such as: Rails, Ruby, Angular, Agile, and much more. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:47 – Chuck: Check out the DevRev 2:08 – Panel: A topic about “speculation” would be great today. What are we seeing in the community: what we like/don’t like, and what would you want to change? He talks about action text, JavaScript framework, and more. 3:41 – Chuck: Service-side rendering is what we talked about in the past. Divya does this with service–side rendering. For content sites that approach makes a lot of sense. I have playing around with this for the past week or so. I was taking it to rendering it to text. 4:39 – Panel: Yeah, that’s the way to go. 5:29 – Chuck: You are talking about a fully side UI. 5:45 – Panel: I thought it was just my age so I am glad we are talking about this. The hip kids want to make these beautiful frontend sites. I want to keep it simple and then justify more later. I guess I would never be as hip but as long as my stuff gets out there – that’s all that matters to me. 6:28 – Panel: Yeah don’t get me wrong...nobody will want to develop your product if it was built 30 years ago. If it is a startup you want it to look good with a nice UI. Nobody will purchase if it looks outdated. How much maintenance do I want to invest into this? Why add another component into that if you cannot maintain it. 7:56 – Chuck: Yeah I have come into this issue while building the Podcast Service that I am creating. 8:25 – Panel: These are good frameworks and they feel great. I don’t realize the complexity that I am taking on sometimes. I have a lot of complexity on my hands: did I need it? 9:02 – Chuck: Sometimes my problem is that I am trying to pull it in after-the-fact. Like the forms to animate or this and that have to slide in. I want a natural feel to the UX. I looked at React and then I didn’t go that way. I have been podcasting about Angular for 4 years, but it was a no-go for my project. For my solution – it makes sense to just get it going and get it rolling. 10:45 – Panel: When we do use Action Vue we are prone to get lazy. What I mean by that is making database calls. 12:01 – Panel: You can think: Inside-Out! That creates an identity around the project. If I can think of that before going in, then everyone knows what we are doing and what their role is. It’s really obvious. Simple things grow into bigger things. I am a fan of service-side objects. It’s a daily work process. That feels good to me and it’s programmatic for me. 13:24 – Chuck: You aren’t saying: I don’t want or I don’t need ... what you are saying is: I will get this tool when I need it. 13:45 – Panel: You can say: “Hey this is what we are going to do and WHY we are going to do it.” It’s nice to come back to old projects and to see that it’s still solid. It’s nice to see that and people own that software and didn’t have to keep updating. 15:06 – Chuck: It reminds me of the Agile development stuff. The approach between Angular and React and Vue are fairly different. They are reasonably different. There will be tradeoffs between which one to use. When you are making that decision then you can make the appropriate decision on that. 16:10 – Panel: I remember in the prior years when the Rails community grew their own people and you were a RAILS person; now it’s you’re a WEB person. 17:43 – Panel: In a lot of cases it’s good to see what’s out there and to see what’s new; especially early on if they end up being ahead of their time. Then you are an early pioneer in that area. There’s nothing wrong with that, but when you are introducing new things into your core you are running into unforeseeable risks. I am not an early adapter of React, but I know enough of the pros and cons of the framework. 19:48 – Panel: I like that. Maybe I “should” adapt that framework and maybe I am not the right person to do so. 21:06 – Chuck: Dave brought us to a new topic and that’s: being an early adapter. Some people want a name, some people want to invent stuff and so many more reasons “why.” I don’t want to “poo poo” the idea but you need to know WHY. 21:48 – Panel: The cost of developers is A LOT. I just think if I was building a house and I had that expense then I better get a really nice house out of it. I want to do a good job and that’s important. On the business – side they have to rely on us and decisions that are in the best interest for everyone. 22:50 – Fresh Books! 23:53 – Chuck: So what do you guys think about: what’s coming? Do you feel like things are going to move away from frontend frameworks? Will there be a large adoption curve? 24:30 – Panel: If we are talking about the space of Ruby on Rails then you want it to be maintainable. You don’t want to steer too far away from its core. 28:11 – Panel: Good I like that. There are great tools that we are getting through Google, Facebook and they have great tools for these apps. They are looking for the 1-person startup very much like Basecamp. It’s all possible that we are holding onto these technologies that are great but does it fit ME. Do I want to maintain things? Do I want to make this more complicated? Especially if I really don’t fit into what I’m trying to do. 29:13 – Panel: Yeah some people in the DOT NET world they were really struggling with some modern approaches. 30:42 – Panel: One of our listeners texted me b/c we are recording LIVE. Panelist reads off from a listener’s text message that uses a quote. 31:16 – Panel: When I started Ruby it was a PHP project and I couldn’t get there. I didn’t have enough bandwidth. It was easy for me to build the RAILS way. 32:02 – Chuck: I was introduced to PHP in college, early 2000’s. I really enjoyed it and I was fairly productive and then I found Rails. 32:27 – Panelist talks about PHP, flash frontend, and more. 34:42 – Chuck: Could and will something come along that will affect the way we write code? 34:56 – Panel: Yes, b/c I think technology is sustainable for a certain amount of time before things start to change again. Look at the iPhones and the Android phones. 38:26 – Panel: I think it takes time to do something well. Panelist talks about Rails, Ruby, data, and more! 40:25 – Panel: It’s interesting b/c the tradeoff used to be much bigger. The bandwidth is better, the screens are better, the way we do things are better. There is much of a tradeoff. That’s how people are interacting with our business and our products. I tend to write these flowery articles that I don’t publish. There was something in the air and in the mid-2000’s we were launching Netflix, and all of these things were happening at that time. A lot is happening now but it’s different now. Where are we going? Where would I be happy to work? If we can get on the phone and inside of our data and it just adds more value. It’s not an easy answer to “Where are we going?” but it’s good to talk about it b/c people might be afraid to ask and to answer. 43:13 – Chuck: Anything else or picks? 43:19 – Panel: We are saying today: we aren’t trying to break-out of this bubble, but we are saying: let’s get closer to the user and there is so much opportunity in THIS space!! 44:10 – Panel: The technology is tapped-out right now. 44:50 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Book: Desert Cabal Habits for Hackers Home Depot: DeWalt Harbor Freight 11ty Masterminds Webinar Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Dewalt Drill Dust Collector David Habits for Hackers Desert Cabal (for funnies) Charles Mastermind Hunter 11ty.io
Panel: Charles Max Wood Aimee Knight Chris Ferdinandi Joe Eames Special Guest: Heydon Pickering In this episode, the panel talks with Heydon Pickering who is a designer and writer. The panel and the guest talk about his new book, which is centered on the topic of today’s show: inclusive components. Check out Heydon’s Twitter, Website, GitHub, and Mastodon social accounts to learn more about him. To purchase the book – go here! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:38 – Chuck: Aimee, Chris, Joe, and myself – we are today’s panel. My show the DevRev is available online to check it out. 1:30 – Guest: Plain ice cream would be frozen milk and that would be terrible. So I am lemon and candy JavaScript! 2:13 – Chuck: We are talking today about...? 2:22 – Chris: He’s talking about “inclusive components” today! 2:41 – Guest: Traveling is very stressful and I wanted something to do on the plane. I’ve done this book, “Inclusive Design Patterns.” If you don’t want to buy the book you can go to the blog. I have been talking with Smashing Magazine. 5:40 – Panel. 5:47 – Guest: I approached Smashing Magazine initially. They didn’t think there was a market for this content at the time. They were very supportive but we will do it as an eBook so our costs our down. At the time, the editor came back and said that: “it was quite good!” We skimmed it but came back to it now and now the content was more relevant in their eyes. I didn’t want to do the same book but I wanted to do it around “patterns.” Rewriting components is what I do all the time. I use Vanilla JavaScript. Backbone.js is the trendy one. 9:52 – Panel: The hard book did it get published? 10:02 – Guest: We are in the works and it’s all in the final stages right now. It has to go through a different process for the print version. 11:54 – Panel. 11:58 – (Guest continues about the editorial process.) 12:09 – Panel: They probably switched to TFS – it’s Microsoft’s. 12:23 – Guest: There was this argument on Twitter about the different processors. 13:35 – Chris: What are the ways that people are breaking accessibility with their code through JavaScript? 13:59 – Guest: The whole premise is that there aren’t a ton of different components that we use. Generally, speaking. Most things we do through JavaScript – it’s just different ways of doing this/that, and hiding things. I am discounting things with Node or other stuff. Most of what we are doing, with interactive design, is showing and hiding. 18:37 – Chris: I have some specialty friends where they tell me where I’ve screwed up my code. For example Eric Bailey and Scott O’Hara but, of course, in very kind ways. What are some things that I can make sure that my code is going to work for many different people. 19:18 – Guest: You have accessibility and inclusive design. People think of accessibility as a check-list and that’s okay but there could be problems with this. 26:00 – Panel: That’s a great guideline. 26:05 – Chris: You talked about ARIA roles and it can be confusing. One side is: I don’t know when to use these and the other side is: I don’t know when NOT to use these so I’m going to use them for EVERYTHING! I guess both can be detrimental. What’s your advice on this topic? 27:00 – Guest: Scott is great and I would trust him to the end of the Earth about what he says. Guest mentions Léonie Watson and her talks about this topic. 29:26 – (Guest continues.) 29:36 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 30:31 – Chris. 30:40 – Guest: There is a lot of pressure, though, right? People wouldn’t blog about this if it wasn’t worthwhile. It doesn’t matter what the style is or what the syntax is. The guest talks about not throwing ARIA onto everything. 36:34 – Aimee: Is this something that was mentioned in the book: people with disabilities and accessibility. 37:28 – Guest: Yes, of course. I think it’s important to make your interfaces flexible and robust to think and include people with disabilities. 39:00 – Guest mentions larger buttons. 40:52 – Panelists and Guest talk back-and-forth. 42:22 – Chris: It’s an accessibility and inclusivity element. I saw a dropdown menu and worked great on certain devices but not others. I could beat this horse all day long but the whole: what happens of the JavaScript file doesn’t load or just accordion options? 43:50 – Guest: It’s the progressive enhancement element. 44:05 – Guest: I think it’s worth noting. I think these things dovetail really nicely. 46:29 – Chris: Did you do a video interview, Aimee, talking about CSS? Is CSS better than JavaScript in some ways I don’t know if this is related or not? 47:03 – Aimee: When I talk about JavaScript vs. CSS...the browser optimizes those. 47:27 – Aimee: But as someone who loves JavaScript...and then some very talented people taught me that you have to find the right tool for the job. 47:29 – Guest: I am the other way around – interesting. 52:50 – Chuck: Picks! 52:55 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! 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Panel: Chris Fritz Charles Max Wood In this episode, the panel consists of Chris and Charles who talk about developer freedom. Chuck talks about his new show called The DevRev. The guys also talk about time management, answering e-mails, being self-employed, and their goals/hopes/dreams that they want to achieve in life. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:30 – Chuck: Hi! Today our panel is Chris and myself. My new show is The DevRev. There is a lot of aspect of our job that boil down to freedom. Figure out what they like to do and eliminate the things that they don’t like to do. I think it will be 5x a week and I will have a guest every week. What does freedom mean to you? What is your ideal coding situation where you don’t starve? 2:10 – Chris: Let me take a step-back. Why I got into coding it was even before that and it was education. I wanted to work with schools and not necessarily tied to only one school. As a programmer I cannot be asked to do things that I don’t agree with. 3:21 – Chuck: A lot of this thought-process came up b/c of my initial steps into my self-employment. I wanted to go to my son’s activities. I saw freelancing as an option and then had to do that b/c I got laid-off. I hate being told what to do. I have an HOA in my neighborhood and I hate it. They tell me when and how to mow my lawn. This is how I operate it. I hate that they tell me to mow my lawn. I want to talk to people who I want to talk to – that’s my idea of freedom. Everyone’s different idea of what “freedom” is will be different. 5:36 – Chris: I want more time to create more free stuff. Chris talks about DEV experience. 6:28 – Chuck: How did you get to that point of figuring out what you want to do? 6:44 – Chris: I still am figuring that out. I do have a lot of opportunities that are really exciting for me. It’s deciding what I like at that moment and choosing what I want to do vs. not what is going to wear me down. I don’t want to die with regret. There is a distinction between bad tired and good tired. You weren’t true to what you thought was right – and so you don’t settle easy. You toss and turn. I want to end with “good tired” both for the end of the day and for the end of my life. 8:00 – Chuck: I agree with that and I really identify with that. 8:44 – Chris: How do you measure yourself? 8:54 – Chuck: It’s hard to quantify it in only one idea. It’s hard to measure. I list out 5 things I need to do to get me closer to my [one] big goal. I have to get those 5 things done. Most of the time I can make it and I keep grinding on it before I can be done. 9:51 – Chris: My bar is pretty low. Is there more joy / more happiness in the world today in the world b/c of what I’ve done today? I know I will make mistakes in code – and that hurts, no day will be perfect. I try to have a net positive affect everyday. 10:53 – Chris: I can fall easily into depression if I have too many bad days back-to-back. 11:03 – Chuck: I agree and I have to take time off if that happens. 11:13 – Chris talks about open source work and he mentions HOPE IN SOURCE, also Babel. 12:23 – Chuck: When I got to church and there is this component of being together and working towards the same goals. It’s more than just community. There is a real – something in common that we have. 12:57 – Chris: Do you think it’s similar to open source? 13:05 – Chuck: You can watch a podcast in-lieu of an actual in-person sermon. In my church community it’s – Building Each Other Up. It’s not the same for when I contribute to open source. 13:43 – Chris: I ask myself: Is it of value? If I were to die would that work help progress the humankind? By the time I die - I will be completely useless b/c everything in my head is out there in other peoples’ heads. 14:35 – Chuck: When I am gone – I want someone to step into my void and continue that. These shows should be able to go on even if I am not around. I want to make sure that these shows can keep going. 15:48 – Chris: How can we build each other up? We want to have opportunities to grow. I try to provide that for members of the team and vice versa. The amount of respect that I have seen in my communities is quite amazing. I admire Thorsten on the Vue team a lot. (Thorsten’s Twitter.) He talked about compassion and how to communicate with each other and code with compassion. That’s better community and better software. You are forced to thin from multiple perspectives. You want to learn from these various perspectives. 17:44 – Chuck: The ideas behind the camaraderie are great. 17:56 – Chris: And Sarah Drasner! 18:38 – Chuck: She probably feels fulfilled when she helps you out (Sarah). 18:54 – Chuck: We all have to look for those opportunities and take them! 19:08 – Chuck: We have been talking about personal fulfillment. For me writing some awesome code in Vue there is Boiler Plate or running the tests. 19:52 – Chuck: What tools light you up? 20:02 – Chris: I am a bit of a weirdo. I feel pretty good when I am hitting myself against a wall for 9 hours. I like feeling obsessed about something and defeating it. I love it. 21:21 – Chuck: The things that make you bang your head against the wall is awful for me. I like writing code that helps someone. (Chris: I like the challenge.) We will be charged up for different things. You like the challenge and it empowers me to help others out. 22:21 – Chris: I like learning more about how something works. I want to save people a lot of work. There has to be a social connection or I will have a hard time even attempting it. 22:52 – Chris: I also play video games where there are no social connections. I played the Witness a few months ago and I loved the puzzles. 23:45 – Chuck: What other tools are you using? 23:57 – Chris: Webpack is the best took for creating the ideal development scenario. 24:47 – Chuck mentions Boiler Plate. 25:00 – Chris: It was built to help large teams and/or large applications. I built some other projects like: Hello Vue Components & (with John Papa) Vue Monolith Example. 27:07 – Chuck: Anything else that you consider to be “freeing?” 27:13 – Chris: I like working from home. I like having my routines – they make me happy and productive. Having full control over that makes me happy. The only thing I have is my wife and my cat. 28:12 – Chuck: Yeah I don’t miss driving through traffic. 28:44 – Chris: I don’t like to be around people all day. 30:40 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 31:05 – Chris: Online I get a couple dozen people reaching out to me for different things: completely out-of-the-blue. I want to respond to most of those people but... 33:12 – Chuck: If it’s not on my calendar it won’t happen. I will get those e-mails that can be very time consuming. 33:35 – Chris: When they are asking for something “simple” – it’s not always simple. 34:30 – Chuck: I want to help everybody and that can be a problem. 35:02 – Chris: They are reaching out to me and I want to help. 35:56 – Chuck and Chris go back-and-forth. 36:18 – Chris: How do you figure out how to write a short enough response to the email – to only do 30 minutes? 36:44 – Chuck: Can I answer it in one minute? Nope – so it will go into another pile later in the week. I’ve replied saying: Here is my short-answer and for the long-answer see these references. I star those e-mails that will take too long to respond. 37:50 – Chris and Chuck go back-and-forth. 38:06 – Chuck: Your question is so good – here is the link to the blog that I wrote. 38:37 – Chris: I want to document to point people HERE to past blogs that I’ve written or to someone else’s blog. I feel guilty when I have to delegate. 39:35 – Chuck: I don’t have a problem delegating b/c that’s why I’m paying them. Everyone has his or her own role. 40:40 – Chris: Yeah that makes sense when it’s their job. 41:30 – Chuck: I know working together as a team will free me up in my areas of excellence. 41:49 – Chris: I am having a hard time with this right now. 43:36 – Chuck: We are looking for someone to fill this role and this is the job description. This way you can be EXCELLENT at what you do. You aren’t being pulled too thin. 44:19 – Chris: I have been trying to delegate more. 45:04 – Chuck: Yeah I have been trying to do more with my business, too. What do I want to do in the community? What is my focus? What is my mission and values for the business? Then you knock it out of the park! 45:51 – Chris: As a teacher it is really helpful and really not helpful. You are leading and shaping their experiences. You don’t have options to delegate. 46:27 – Chuck: Yeah my mother is a math teacher. 46:37 – Chuck: Yeah she has 10 kids, so she helps to delegate with force. She is the department head for mathematics and she does delegate some things. It’s you to teach the course. 47:18 – Chris: What promoted you to start this podcast? Is it more personal? 47:30 – Chuck talks about why he is starting this new podcast. 48:10 – Chuck: My business coach said to me: write a mission statement. When I did that things started having clarity for me. Chuck talks about the plan for the DevRev! 55:20 – Chris: I am looking forward to it! 55:34 – Chuck: It will be recorded via video through YouTube, too, in addition to iTunes (hopefully). 55:52 – Chris & Chuck: Picks! 55:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React JavaScript C# C++ C++ Programming / Memory Management Angular Blazor JavaScript DevChat TV VueCLI Boiler Plate Hello Vue Components Vue Monolith Example Thorsten’s Twitter Sarah’s Twitter Ben Hong’s Twitter Jacob Schatz’ Twitter Vue Vixens The DevRev Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Chris Vue Vixens Charles repurpose.io MFCEO Project Podcast Game - Test Version
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura David Richards Charles Max Wood In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk amongst themselves on today’s topic, which is “speculation on frameworks.” They consider where the tech community currently is right now, and where it’s heading towards the future. They bring-up topics such as: Rails, Ruby, Angular, Agile, and much more. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:47 – Chuck: Check out the DevRev 2:08 – Panel: A topic about “speculation” would be great today. What are we seeing in the community: what we like/don’t like, and what would you want to change? He talks about action text, JavaScript framework, and more. 3:41 – Chuck: Service-side rendering is what we talked about in the past. Divya does this with service–side rendering. For content sites that approach makes a lot of sense. I have playing around with this for the past week or so. I was taking it to rendering it to text. 4:39 – Panel: Yeah, that’s the way to go. 5:29 – Chuck: You are talking about a fully side UI. 5:45 – Panel: I thought it was just my age so I am glad we are talking about this. The hip kids want to make these beautiful frontend sites. I want to keep it simple and then justify more later. I guess I would never be as hip but as long as my stuff gets out there – that’s all that matters to me. 6:28 – Panel: Yeah don’t get me wrong...nobody will want to develop your product if it was built 30 years ago. If it is a startup you want it to look good with a nice UI. Nobody will purchase if it looks outdated. How much maintenance do I want to invest into this? Why add another component into that if you cannot maintain it. 7:56 – Chuck: Yeah I have come into this issue while building the Podcast Service that I am creating. 8:25 – Panel: These are good frameworks and they feel great. I don’t realize the complexity that I am taking on sometimes. I have a lot of complexity on my hands: did I need it? 9:02 – Chuck: Sometimes my problem is that I am trying to pull it in after-the-fact. Like the forms to animate or this and that have to slide in. I want a natural feel to the UX. I looked at React and then I didn’t go that way. I have been podcasting about Angular for 4 years, but it was a no-go for my project. For my solution – it makes sense to just get it going and get it rolling. 10:45 – Panel: When we do use Action Vue we are prone to get lazy. What I mean by that is making database calls. 12:01 – Panel: You can think: Inside-Out! That creates an identity around the project. If I can think of that before going in, then everyone knows what we are doing and what their role is. It’s really obvious. Simple things grow into bigger things. I am a fan of service-side objects. It’s a daily work process. That feels good to me and it’s programmatic for me. 13:24 – Chuck: You aren’t saying: I don’t want or I don’t need ... what you are saying is: I will get this tool when I need it. 13:45 – Panel: You can say: “Hey this is what we are going to do and WHY we are going to do it.” It’s nice to come back to old projects and to see that it’s still solid. It’s nice to see that and people own that software and didn’t have to keep updating. 15:06 – Chuck: It reminds me of the Agile development stuff. The approach between Angular and React and Vue are fairly different. They are reasonably different. There will be tradeoffs between which one to use. When you are making that decision then you can make the appropriate decision on that. 16:10 – Panel: I remember in the prior years when the Rails community grew their own people and you were a RAILS person; now it’s you’re a WEB person. 17:43 – Panel: In a lot of cases it’s good to see what’s out there and to see what’s new; especially early on if they end up being ahead of their time. Then you are an early pioneer in that area. There’s nothing wrong with that, but when you are introducing new things into your core you are running into unforeseeable risks. I am not an early adapter of React, but I know enough of the pros and cons of the framework. 19:48 – Panel: I like that. Maybe I “should” adapt that framework and maybe I am not the right person to do so. 21:06 – Chuck: Dave brought us to a new topic and that’s: being an early adapter. Some people want a name, some people want to invent stuff and so many more reasons “why.” I don’t want to “poo poo” the idea but you need to know WHY. 21:48 – Panel: The cost of developers is A LOT. I just think if I was building a house and I had that expense then I better get a really nice house out of it. I want to do a good job and that’s important. On the business – side they have to rely on us and decisions that are in the best interest for everyone. 22:50 – Fresh Books! 23:53 – Chuck: So what do you guys think about: what’s coming? Do you feel like things are going to move away from frontend frameworks? Will there be a large adoption curve? 24:30 – Panel: If we are talking about the space of Ruby on Rails then you want it to be maintainable. You don’t want to steer too far away from its core. 28:11 – Panel: Good I like that. There are great tools that we are getting through Google, Facebook and they have great tools for these apps. They are looking for the 1-person startup very much like Basecamp. It’s all possible that we are holding onto these technologies that are great but does it fit ME. Do I want to maintain things? Do I want to make this more complicated? Especially if I really don’t fit into what I’m trying to do. 29:13 – Panel: Yeah some people in the DOT NET world they were really struggling with some modern approaches. 30:42 – Panel: One of our listeners texted me b/c we are recording LIVE. Panelist reads off from a listener’s text message that uses a quote. 31:16 – Panel: When I started Ruby it was a PHP project and I couldn’t get there. I didn’t have enough bandwidth. It was easy for me to build the RAILS way. 32:02 – Chuck: I was introduced to PHP in college, early 2000’s. I really enjoyed it and I was fairly productive and then I found Rails. 32:27 – Panelist talks about PHP, flash frontend, and more. 34:42 – Chuck: Could and will something come along that will affect the way we write code? 34:56 – Panel: Yes, b/c I think technology is sustainable for a certain amount of time before things start to change again. Look at the iPhones and the Android phones. 38:26 – Panel: I think it takes time to do something well. Panelist talks about Rails, Ruby, data, and more! 40:25 – Panel: It’s interesting b/c the tradeoff used to be much bigger. The bandwidth is better, the screens are better, the way we do things are better. There is much of a tradeoff. That’s how people are interacting with our business and our products. I tend to write these flowery articles that I don’t publish. There was something in the air and in the mid-2000’s we were launching Netflix, and all of these things were happening at that time. A lot is happening now but it’s different now. Where are we going? Where would I be happy to work? If we can get on the phone and inside of our data and it just adds more value. It’s not an easy answer to “Where are we going?” but it’s good to talk about it b/c people might be afraid to ask and to answer. 43:13 – Chuck: Anything else or picks? 43:19 – Panel: We are saying today: we aren’t trying to break-out of this bubble, but we are saying: let’s get closer to the user and there is so much opportunity in THIS space!! 44:10 – Panel: The technology is tapped-out right now. 44:50 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Book: Desert Cabal Habits for Hackers Home Depot: DeWalt Harbor Freight 11ty Masterminds Webinar Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Dewalt Drill Dust Collector David Habits for Hackers Desert Cabal (for funnies) Charles Mastermind Hunter 11ty.io
Panel: Charles Max Wood Aimee Knight Chris Ferdinandi Joe Eames Special Guest: Heydon Pickering In this episode, the panel talks with Heydon Pickering who is a designer and writer. The panel and the guest talk about his new book, which is centered on the topic of today’s show: inclusive components. Check out Heydon’s Twitter, Website, GitHub, and Mastodon social accounts to learn more about him. To purchase the book – go here! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:38 – Chuck: Aimee, Chris, Joe, and myself – we are today’s panel. My show the DevRev is available online to check it out. 1:30 – Guest: Plain ice cream would be frozen milk and that would be terrible. So I am lemon and candy JavaScript! 2:13 – Chuck: We are talking today about...? 2:22 – Chris: He’s talking about “inclusive components” today! 2:41 – Guest: Traveling is very stressful and I wanted something to do on the plane. I’ve done this book, “Inclusive Design Patterns.” If you don’t want to buy the book you can go to the blog. I have been talking with Smashing Magazine. 5:40 – Panel. 5:47 – Guest: I approached Smashing Magazine initially. They didn’t think there was a market for this content at the time. They were very supportive but we will do it as an eBook so our costs our down. At the time, the editor came back and said that: “it was quite good!” We skimmed it but came back to it now and now the content was more relevant in their eyes. I didn’t want to do the same book but I wanted to do it around “patterns.” Rewriting components is what I do all the time. I use Vanilla JavaScript. Backbone.js is the trendy one. 9:52 – Panel: The hard book did it get published? 10:02 – Guest: We are in the works and it’s all in the final stages right now. It has to go through a different process for the print version. 11:54 – Panel. 11:58 – (Guest continues about the editorial process.) 12:09 – Panel: They probably switched to TFS – it’s Microsoft’s. 12:23 – Guest: There was this argument on Twitter about the different processors. 13:35 – Chris: What are the ways that people are breaking accessibility with their code through JavaScript? 13:59 – Guest: The whole premise is that there aren’t a ton of different components that we use. Generally, speaking. Most things we do through JavaScript – it’s just different ways of doing this/that, and hiding things. I am discounting things with Node or other stuff. Most of what we are doing, with interactive design, is showing and hiding. 18:37 – Chris: I have some specialty friends where they tell me where I’ve screwed up my code. For example Eric Bailey and Scott O’Hara but, of course, in very kind ways. What are some things that I can make sure that my code is going to work for many different people. 19:18 – Guest: You have accessibility and inclusive design. People think of accessibility as a check-list and that’s okay but there could be problems with this. 26:00 – Panel: That’s a great guideline. 26:05 – Chris: You talked about ARIA roles and it can be confusing. One side is: I don’t know when to use these and the other side is: I don’t know when NOT to use these so I’m going to use them for EVERYTHING! I guess both can be detrimental. What’s your advice on this topic? 27:00 – Guest: Scott is great and I would trust him to the end of the Earth about what he says. Guest mentions Léonie Watson and her talks about this topic. 29:26 – (Guest continues.) 29:36 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 30:31 – Chris. 30:40 – Guest: There is a lot of pressure, though, right? People wouldn’t blog about this if it wasn’t worthwhile. It doesn’t matter what the style is or what the syntax is. The guest talks about not throwing ARIA onto everything. 36:34 – Aimee: Is this something that was mentioned in the book: people with disabilities and accessibility. 37:28 – Guest: Yes, of course. I think it’s important to make your interfaces flexible and robust to think and include people with disabilities. 39:00 – Guest mentions larger buttons. 40:52 – Panelists and Guest talk back-and-forth. 42:22 – Chris: It’s an accessibility and inclusivity element. I saw a dropdown menu and worked great on certain devices but not others. I could beat this horse all day long but the whole: what happens of the JavaScript file doesn’t load or just accordion options? 43:50 – Guest: It’s the progressive enhancement element. 44:05 – Guest: I think it’s worth noting. I think these things dovetail really nicely. 46:29 – Chris: Did you do a video interview, Aimee, talking about CSS? Is CSS better than JavaScript in some ways I don’t know if this is related or not? 47:03 – Aimee: When I talk about JavaScript vs. CSS...the browser optimizes those. 47:27 – Aimee: But as someone who loves JavaScript...and then some very talented people taught me that you have to find the right tool for the job. 47:29 – Guest: I am the other way around – interesting. 52:50 – Chuck: Picks! 52:55 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! Links: JavaScript Backbone.js Microsoft’s TFS Léonie Watson React Elixir Ember.js Vue GO jQuery Node.js Puppeteer Cypress Heydon’s GitHub Heydon’s Mastodon Heydon’s Book Medium Article on Heydon Heydon’s Website Heydon’s Twitter Sponsors: DevLifts Kendo UI Sentry CacheFly Picks: Joe Chris Ferdinandi's Blog Luxur board game Cypress.io Aimee Blog about interviewing Birthday Cake Quest Bar Chris Web Dev Career Guide: https://gomakethings.com/career-guide/ Use FREECAREER at checkout to get it for free Neapolitan Ice Cream Netflix Web Performance case study Charles Disney Heroes Battle Mode MFCEO Project Podcast Gary Lee Audio Experience Suggestions for JavaScript Jabber Heydon Bruck What is Mastodon and why should I use it?
Panel: Charles Max Wood Aimee Knight Chris Ferdinandi Joe Eames Special Guest: Heydon Pickering In this episode, the panel talks with Heydon Pickering who is a designer and writer. The panel and the guest talk about his new book, which is centered on the topic of today’s show: inclusive components. Check out Heydon’s Twitter, Website, GitHub, and Mastodon social accounts to learn more about him. To purchase the book – go here! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:38 – Chuck: Aimee, Chris, Joe, and myself – we are today’s panel. My show the DevRev is available online to check it out. 1:30 – Guest: Plain ice cream would be frozen milk and that would be terrible. So I am lemon and candy JavaScript! 2:13 – Chuck: We are talking today about...? 2:22 – Chris: He’s talking about “inclusive components” today! 2:41 – Guest: Traveling is very stressful and I wanted something to do on the plane. I’ve done this book, “Inclusive Design Patterns.” If you don’t want to buy the book you can go to the blog. I have been talking with Smashing Magazine. 5:40 – Panel. 5:47 – Guest: I approached Smashing Magazine initially. They didn’t think there was a market for this content at the time. They were very supportive but we will do it as an eBook so our costs our down. At the time, the editor came back and said that: “it was quite good!” We skimmed it but came back to it now and now the content was more relevant in their eyes. I didn’t want to do the same book but I wanted to do it around “patterns.” Rewriting components is what I do all the time. I use Vanilla JavaScript. Backbone.js is the trendy one. 9:52 – Panel: The hard book did it get published? 10:02 – Guest: We are in the works and it’s all in the final stages right now. It has to go through a different process for the print version. 11:54 – Panel. 11:58 – (Guest continues about the editorial process.) 12:09 – Panel: They probably switched to TFS – it’s Microsoft’s. 12:23 – Guest: There was this argument on Twitter about the different processors. 13:35 – Chris: What are the ways that people are breaking accessibility with their code through JavaScript? 13:59 – Guest: The whole premise is that there aren’t a ton of different components that we use. Generally, speaking. Most things we do through JavaScript – it’s just different ways of doing this/that, and hiding things. I am discounting things with Node or other stuff. Most of what we are doing, with interactive design, is showing and hiding. 18:37 – Chris: I have some specialty friends where they tell me where I’ve screwed up my code. For example Eric Bailey and Scott O’Hara but, of course, in very kind ways. What are some things that I can make sure that my code is going to work for many different people. 19:18 – Guest: You have accessibility and inclusive design. People think of accessibility as a check-list and that’s okay but there could be problems with this. 26:00 – Panel: That’s a great guideline. 26:05 – Chris: You talked about ARIA roles and it can be confusing. One side is: I don’t know when to use these and the other side is: I don’t know when NOT to use these so I’m going to use them for EVERYTHING! I guess both can be detrimental. What’s your advice on this topic? 27:00 – Guest: Scott is great and I would trust him to the end of the Earth about what he says. Guest mentions Léonie Watson and her talks about this topic. 29:26 – (Guest continues.) 29:36 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 30:31 – Chris. 30:40 – Guest: There is a lot of pressure, though, right? People wouldn’t blog about this if it wasn’t worthwhile. It doesn’t matter what the style is or what the syntax is. The guest talks about not throwing ARIA onto everything. 36:34 – Aimee: Is this something that was mentioned in the book: people with disabilities and accessibility. 37:28 – Guest: Yes, of course. I think it’s important to make your interfaces flexible and robust to think and include people with disabilities. 39:00 – Guest mentions larger buttons. 40:52 – Panelists and Guest talk back-and-forth. 42:22 – Chris: It’s an accessibility and inclusivity element. I saw a dropdown menu and worked great on certain devices but not others. I could beat this horse all day long but the whole: what happens of the JavaScript file doesn’t load or just accordion options? 43:50 – Guest: It’s the progressive enhancement element. 44:05 – Guest: I think it’s worth noting. I think these things dovetail really nicely. 46:29 – Chris: Did you do a video interview, Aimee, talking about CSS? Is CSS better than JavaScript in some ways I don’t know if this is related or not? 47:03 – Aimee: When I talk about JavaScript vs. CSS...the browser optimizes those. 47:27 – Aimee: But as someone who loves JavaScript...and then some very talented people taught me that you have to find the right tool for the job. 47:29 – Guest: I am the other way around – interesting. 52:50 – Chuck: Picks! 52:55 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! Links: JavaScript Backbone.js Microsoft’s TFS Léonie Watson React Elixir Ember.js Vue GO jQuery Node.js Puppeteer Cypress Heydon’s GitHub Heydon’s Mastodon Heydon’s Book Medium Article on Heydon Heydon’s Website Heydon’s Twitter Sponsors: DevLifts Kendo UI Sentry CacheFly Picks: Joe Chris Ferdinandi's Blog Luxur board game Cypress.io Aimee Blog about interviewing Birthday Cake Quest Bar Chris Web Dev Career Guide: https://gomakethings.com/career-guide/ Use FREECAREER at checkout to get it for free Neapolitan Ice Cream Netflix Web Performance case study Charles Disney Heroes Battle Mode MFCEO Project Podcast Gary Lee Audio Experience Suggestions for JavaScript Jabber Heydon Bruck What is Mastodon and why should I use it?
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest: Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit. 36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest: Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit. 36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar
Panel: Charles Max Wood Aimee Knight Chris Ferdinandi AJ O’Neal Special Guest: Andy Bell In this episode, the panel talks with Andy Bell who is an independent designer and developer who uses React, Vue, and Node. Today, the panelists and the guest talk about the power of progressive enhancements. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:34 – Chuck: Hi! Our panel is AJ, Aimee, Chris, myself and my new show is coming out in a few weeks, which is called the DevRev! It helps you with developer’s freedom! I am super excited. Our guest is Andy Bell. Introduce yourself, please. 2:00 – Guest: I am an independent designer and developer out in the U.K. 2:17 – Chuck: You wrote things about Vanilla.js. I am foreshadowing a few things and let’s talk about the power and progressive enhancement. 2:43 – The guest gives us definitions of power and progressive enhancements. He describes how it works. 3:10 – Chuck: I’ve heard that people would turn off JavaScript b/c it was security concern and then your progressive enhancement would make it work w/o JavaScript. I am sure there’s more than that? 3:28 – The guest talks about JavaScript, dependencies, among other things. 4:40 – Chuck: Your post did make that very clear I think. I am thinking I don’t even know where to start with this. Are people using the 6th version? How far back or what are we talking about here? 5:09 – Guest: You can go really far back and make it work w/o CSS. 5:49 – Chris: I am a big advocate of progressive enhancement – the pushback I get these days is that there is a divide; between the broadband era and AOL dialup. Are there compelling reasons why progressive enhancements even matter? 6:48 – Guest. 8:05 – Panel: My family lives out in the boonies. I am aware of 50% of American don’t have fast Internet. People don’t have access to fast browsers but I don’t think they are key metric users. 8:47 – Guest: It totally depends on what you need it for. It doesn’t matter if these people are paying or not. 9:31 – Chris: Assuming I have a commute on the trail and it goes through a spotty section. In a scenario that it’s dependent on the JS...are we talking about 2 different things here? 10:14 – Panelist chimes-in. 10:36 – Chris: I can take advantage of it even if I cannot afford a new machine. 10:55 – Panel: Where would this really matter to you? 11:05 – Chris: I do have a nice new laptop. 11:12 – Chuck: I had to hike up to the hill (near the house) to make a call and the connection was really poor (in OK). It’s not the norm but it can happen. 11:37 – Chris: Or how about the All Trails app when I am on the trail. 11:52 – Guest. 12:40 – Chris: I can remember at the time that the desktop sites it was popular to have... Chris: Most of those sites were inaccessible to me. 13:17 – Guest. 13:51 – Chuck: First-world countries will have a good connection and it’s not a big deal. If you are thinking though about your customers and where they live? Is that fair? I am thinking that my customers need to be able to access the podcast – what would you suggest? What are the things that you’d make sure is accessible to them. 14:31 – Guest: I like to pick on the minimum viable experience? I think to read the transcript is important than the audio (MP3). 15:47 – Chuck. 15:52 – Guest: It’s a lot easier with Vue b/c you don’t’ have to set aside rendering. 17:13 – AJ: I am thinking: that there is a way to start developing progressively and probably cheaper and easier to the person who is developing. If it saves us a buck and helps then we take action. 17:49 – Guest: It’s much easier if you start that way and if you enhance the feature itself. 18:38 – AJ: Let me ask: what are the situations where I wouldn’t / shouldn’t worry about progressive enhancements? 18:57 – Guest answers the question. 19:42 – AJ: I want people to feel motivated in a place WHERE to start. Something like a blog needs Java for comments. Hamburger menu is mentioned, too. 20:20 – Guest. 21:05 – Chris: Can we talk about code? 21:16 – Aimee: This is the direction I wanted to go. What do you mean by that – building your applications progressively? Aimee refers to his blog. 21:44 – Guest. 22:13 – Chuck: I use stock overflow! 22:20 – Guest. 22:24 – Chuck: I mean that’s what Chris uses! 22:33 – Guest (continues). 23:42 – Aimee. 23:54 – Chris. 24:09 – Chris 24:16 – Chris: Andy what do you think about that? 24:22 – Guest: Yes, that’s good. 24:35 – Chris: Where it falls apart is the resistance to progressive enhancements that it means that your approach has to be boring? 25:03 – Guest answers the question. The guest mentions modern CSS and modern JavaScript are mentioned along with tooling. 25:50 – Chuck: My issue is that when we talk about this (progressive enhancement) lowest common denominator and some user at some level (slow network) and then they can access it. Then the next level (better access) can access it. I start at the bottom and then go up. Then when they say progressive enhancement I get lost. Should I scrap it and then start over or what? 26:57 – Guest: If it’s feasible do it and then set a timeline up. 27:42 – Chuck: You are saying yes do it a layer at a time – but my question is HOW? What parts can I pair back? Are there guidelines to say: do this first and then how to test? 28:18 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 29:20 – Guest: Think about the user flow. What does the user want to do at THIS point? Do you need to work out the actual dependencies? 30:31 – Chuck: Is there a list of those capabilities somewhere? So these users can use it this way and these users can use it that way? 30:50 – Guest answers the question. 31:03 – Guest: You can pick out the big things. 31:30 – Chuck: I am using this feature in the browser... 31:41 – Guest. 31:46 – Chris: I think this differently than you Andy – I’ve stopped caring if a browser supports something new. I am fine using CSS grid and if your browser doesn’t support it then I don’t have a problem with that. I get hung up on, though if this fails can they still get the content? If they have no access to these – what should they be able to do? Note: “Cutting the Mustard Test” is mentioned. 33:37 – Guest. 33:44 – Chuck: Knowing your users and if it becomes a problem then I will figure it out. 34:00 – Chris: I couldn’t spare the time to make it happen right now b/c I am a one-man shop. 34:20 – Chuck and Chris go back-and-forth. 34:36 –Chris: Check out links below for my product. 34:54 – AJ: A lot of these things are in the name: progressive. 36:20 – Guest. 38:51 – Chris: Say that they haven’t looked at it all before. Do you mind talking about these things and what the heck is a web component? 39:14 – The guest gives us his definition of what a web component is. 40:02 – Chuck: Most recent episode in Angular about web components, but that was a few years ago. See links below for that episode. 40:25 – Aimee. 40:31 – Guest: Yes, it’s a lot like working in Vue and web components. The concepts are very similar. 41:22 – Chris: Can someone please give us an example? A literal slideshow example? 41:45 – Guest answers the question. 45:07 – Chris. 45:12 – Guest: It’s a framework that just happens to use web components and stuff to help. 45:54 – Chuck: Yeah they make it easier (Palmer). Yeah there is a crossover with Palmer team and other teams. I can say that b/c I have talked with people from both teams. Anything else? 46:39 – Chuck: Where do they go to learn more? 46:49 – Guest: Check out the Club! And my Twitter! (See links below.) 47:33 – Chuck: I want to shout-out about DevLifts that has $19 a month to help you with physical goals. Or you can get the premium slot! It’s terrific stuff. Sign-up with DEVCHAT code but there is a limited number of slots and there is a deadline, too. Just try it! They have a podcast, too! 49:16 – Aimee: Yeah, I’m on their podcast soon! 49:30 – Chuck: Picks! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! 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Panel: Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Paul Smith and Andrew Mason In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Paul Smith and Andrew Mason! They discuss the platforms Lucky and Crystal. Other topics include: Ruby, Phoenix, Laravel Mix, Thoughtbot, Webpack, compilers, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Welcome!! Eric Berry, Nate Hopkins, and myself are the panel - and our special guests are Paul Smith and Andrew Mason. Introduce yourself! 1:41 – Andrew / Guest: I have messed with every type of language, so there’s that! 1:55 – Paul / Guest: I have been here at my current company for 5 years and it’s a consultancy firm. I have been working on Crystal. 2:14 – Chuck: We are lucky to have you! Give people the elevator pitch for Lucky and Crystal? 2:33 – Guest: Let’s talk about Crystal and looks very similar to Ruby! It’s faster and it’s a compound language. It catches a fair amount of things at compile time. The other special features are... 4:17 – Guest mentions compilers. 4:23 – Chuck: Yeah we see this in the typescript. Is it language service – is that what it’s called? Pile and compile and all of this checking are a nice stage for it to run-through. Although the flipside is coding and to not worry about that – that’s nice! 4:56 – Guest: It has changed my approach for sure. 5:43 – Panel: How much slower are you? 5:54 – Guest: I am a lot faster in Crystal than I am in Ruby. 6:51 – Panel: Yeah you have to figure out where you want to save the time. 7:00 – Guest: Someone wrote a blog post and it said...the Rails service is like bolting a shelf on a wall and hoping to hit a stud and it’s not solid. But using Lucky it’s sold although it took a little longer. I think it can be true. You can do bad things with compilers, though. It depends on how you use it. 7:43 – Panelist asks a question. 7:53 – Guest: Every Friday is an investment day. Lucky is my “whatever I want thing.” I am technically getting paid to work on it. 8:33 – Panel: have you had to battle with the framework? 8:51 – Guest: Yes, even though Crystal looks like Ruby (at a high level) if you want to do it well you have to approach it in the Crystal-way. When I came to Crystal I came to it like Rails. The problem with that is I wanted to have type-saved parameters – you can’t do that in Crystal b/c...it doesn’t know when to have a parameter with... 10:48 – Panel: I have heard you talk about Crystal before on another podcast. You talked about templating and I am curious to hear about that. I have used Slim and others and now stick to ERB. 11:25 – Guest: Yes definitely. Let’s back up and talk about WHAT Lucky does! The guest talks about Rails, escaping, and more! 14:37 – Panel: So I imagine Rails partials are slow and expensive to render. I would imagine that this approach with Lucky... 15:00 – Guest: Yes exactly. It’s extremely fast! 15:20 – Panel: How is this for designers? 15:30 – Guest: Yes that was a concern of mine. With Lucky I tried to make it close to a regular HTML structure would look like! 16:32 – Panel: I spun up a Lucky app the other day. It looks like you are using... 16:50 – Guest: I have played around with a bunch of stuff. I landed on Laravel Mix. 18:27 – Panel: Yes webpack is a pain to set up and it’s hard to get it to working the way you want it to work. 18:47 – Guest: Yeah if you want React or whatever it will generate the configuration you need. I don’t like it b/c if you want to... 19:28 – Panel. 19:45 – Guest: I don’t want to maintain it. 19:54 – Panel: There is a Crystal community in Utah. I want to know – are you competing with Amber? Explain the difference between Lucky and Amber? 20:20 – Guest: Yes I did look at Amber but they are approaching it differently than us. The guest talks about the differences between Amber and Lucky. 21:54 – Guest (continues): With Lucky you will have to learn a little bit more but you get more of a pack! 23:23 – Panel: It sounds like Lucky is inspired by Elm – right? 23:32 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. The guest dives into this topic of Elm and Lucky! 24:35 – Panel: How much does the types feel like it’s getting in your way? How explicit is it? When I came to Ruby it was a breath of fresh air. I am a bit reluctant to go back to those days. 25:25 – Guest: I think Lucky does a happy medium. It doesn’t infer instant variables. I like the... 26:28 – Panel: I learned Java very early on in my computer science career. 27:00 – Guest. 27:10 – Panel: “Crystal...it’s not Java!” That should be your slogan! 27:20 – Fresh Books! 28:25 – Panel: A lot of people are moving to Elixir community. Do you see people moving from Ruby to Lucky and Crystal? How does Lucky compare to Phoenix? 28:55 – Guest: Good question! 29:10 – The guest talks about bamboo – see links below!! 29: 29 – Guest: Sure Ruby is fast but sometimes you spend more time on it then you would want to. 31:08 – Guest: Blessing and curse that Crystal looks so much like Ruby. That’s what I thought at first: why would I want to learn this if it’s so similar to Ruby. BUT there are so many benefits to Crystal vs. Ruby. 31:48 – Guest talks about Lucky catching the bugs. 32:00 – Panel: I wonder if that happened with Groovy and Rails? 32:21 – They go back-and-forth. 32:28 – Panel: Thoughtbot has always been on the forefront of Ruby. Can you talk about Thoughbot please? (See links below for Thoughtbot!) 33:15 – Guest: Great question. It’s hard to tell b/c there are different offices. I would say Ruby is our main thing. Ruby is the most mature thing that we use in-terms of web development. Guest: Actually – Rails is pretty nice! 34:54 – Panel: We went through the same thing with CodeFund! I wrote it initially in Python and then I wrote it in Elixir and it became so complex. Now we are moving everything back to Ruby and it’s been a fantastic decision. 36:30 – Chuck: You are talking about the sustainability of open source but there are benefits throughout the company right? There are tons of tangible benefits of doing it, especially when it’s your Friday schedule. You can level-up on things that could help you. I know a lot of companies cannot afford it if they are trying to hustle. 37:42 – Guest: It’s totally not charity through Thoughtbot. It’s a huge help for hiring new people. I know they are okay with letting me work on Lucky b/c it’s bringing on new developers and a good marketing tool, and finally recruiting! 39:07 – Chuck: Yeah, I have been talking about developer freedom and that’s what I am addressing through the DevRev show! It’s my new podcast show. We talk with Chris on Elixir Mix. It lends that credibility if they need to save our bacon. 40:02 – Panel: What’s your goal with Lucky? 40:11 – Guest: I would love to get it to the point where Thoughtbot could start a project and default to Lucky! Start a project and not resting every gem and be confident with launching it. 41:36 – Panelist asks a question. 41:45 – Guest: It’s not 1.0 and that means that the API will break with every release. I think that’s good to tweak stuff but that turns companies off, though. 42:40 – Chuck: Another thing that helps with adoption is Twitter used Rails to build their initial version. This blah, blah company uses important stuff and they are using Crystal and whatnot then that’s good! It sounds like you are waiting for social proof. 43:23 – Guest: Is the next Twitter going to even know about Crystal? 43:40 – Chuck: It literally only takes one enthusiast! 43:52 – Guest. 44:11 – Demo of Flickr Search is mentioned here! 45:13 – Panel: Is there something out there that you could POINT someone to? 45:27 – Guest: Not, yet. I built a small site with it! It is opensource and you can look at it. I want to show people a good example of what Lucky can do! 45:57 – Panel: You have very good docs and I am a visual learner. When I learned Rails I learned on my own and not through school. 46:20 – Panelist asks a question. 46:48 – Guest: What a huge advantage Lucky has through the Thoughtbot platform! Now that platform is kind of dried up. In terms of getting people excited it needs that killer app and they can see that it’s fast and killer! I think it takes a lot of time and finding time to do it so that’s tricky. It’s changing a lot when there is so much change. Getting Lucky to a 1.0 state so people can do videos and make apps. The hard part thing is that Lucky has to be 1.0 when Crystal is 1.0. The Lucky community is great b/c it’s encouraging and to respond in a very kind way. When you are starting something that’s new can be scary. We try to help out as much as we can and we are open and kind about it. 49:13 – Panel: “Paul is nice so Lucky is nice!” 49:19 – Guest: Everyone is super kind. It had to be short and simple. We in the dev community are very lucky – usually great pay/benefits and more w/o a college degree. What another field can you do that?! 51:00 – Panel: Great message and you need to push that! 51:10 – Panel: You were on a past podcast and you talked about how you are donating each month! Panel: Opensource maintainers are getting burned out and you want to support that. 51:40 – Guest: I think opensource sustainability what others need to do to make it sustainable. If you have the means to give we can be apart of that, too. It would be nice if companies did that. If it helps Crystal I am happy. 52:17 – Panel: I have a question about Crystal. 52:52 – Guest: Ruby right now you can do C sections right now. 53:01 – Panel. 53:10 – Guest: I don’t think so – it may but I would guess that you could do it but I don’t know how easy it would be. Note: Rust and C are mentioned. 53:37 – Panel comments. 53:46 – Guest: One thing I would say is to check-out the Lucky docs. We are happy to help! 54:10 – Panel: This is a favorite episode of mine! Both of today’s guests have been my favorite! 54:23 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! 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Panel: Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Paul Smith and Andrew Mason In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Paul Smith and Andrew Mason! They discuss the platforms Lucky and Crystal. Other topics include: Ruby, Phoenix, Laravel Mix, Thoughtbot, Webpack, compilers, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Welcome!! Eric Berry, Nate Hopkins, and myself are the panel - and our special guests are Paul Smith and Andrew Mason. Introduce yourself! 1:41 – Andrew / Guest: I have messed with every type of language, so there’s that! 1:55 – Paul / Guest: I have been here at my current company for 5 years and it’s a consultancy firm. I have been working on Crystal. 2:14 – Chuck: We are lucky to have you! Give people the elevator pitch for Lucky and Crystal? 2:33 – Guest: Let’s talk about Crystal and looks very similar to Ruby! It’s faster and it’s a compound language. It catches a fair amount of things at compile time. The other special features are... 4:17 – Guest mentions compilers. 4:23 – Chuck: Yeah we see this in the typescript. Is it language service – is that what it’s called? Pile and compile and all of this checking are a nice stage for it to run-through. Although the flipside is coding and to not worry about that – that’s nice! 4:56 – Guest: It has changed my approach for sure. 5:43 – Panel: How much slower are you? 5:54 – Guest: I am a lot faster in Crystal than I am in Ruby. 6:51 – Panel: Yeah you have to figure out where you want to save the time. 7:00 – Guest: Someone wrote a blog post and it said...the Rails service is like bolting a shelf on a wall and hoping to hit a stud and it’s not solid. But using Lucky it’s sold although it took a little longer. I think it can be true. You can do bad things with compilers, though. It depends on how you use it. 7:43 – Panelist asks a question. 7:53 – Guest: Every Friday is an investment day. Lucky is my “whatever I want thing.” I am technically getting paid to work on it. 8:33 – Panel: have you had to battle with the framework? 8:51 – Guest: Yes, even though Crystal looks like Ruby (at a high level) if you want to do it well you have to approach it in the Crystal-way. When I came to Crystal I came to it like Rails. The problem with that is I wanted to have type-saved parameters – you can’t do that in Crystal b/c...it doesn’t know when to have a parameter with... 10:48 – Panel: I have heard you talk about Crystal before on another podcast. You talked about templating and I am curious to hear about that. I have used Slim and others and now stick to ERB. 11:25 – Guest: Yes definitely. Let’s back up and talk about WHAT Lucky does! The guest talks about Rails, escaping, and more! 14:37 – Panel: So I imagine Rails partials are slow and expensive to render. I would imagine that this approach with Lucky... 15:00 – Guest: Yes exactly. It’s extremely fast! 15:20 – Panel: How is this for designers? 15:30 – Guest: Yes that was a concern of mine. With Lucky I tried to make it close to a regular HTML structure would look like! 16:32 – Panel: I spun up a Lucky app the other day. It looks like you are using... 16:50 – Guest: I have played around with a bunch of stuff. I landed on Laravel Mix. 18:27 – Panel: Yes webpack is a pain to set up and it’s hard to get it to working the way you want it to work. 18:47 – Guest: Yeah if you want React or whatever it will generate the configuration you need. I don’t like it b/c if you want to... 19:28 – Panel. 19:45 – Guest: I don’t want to maintain it. 19:54 – Panel: There is a Crystal community in Utah. I want to know – are you competing with Amber? Explain the difference between Lucky and Amber? 20:20 – Guest: Yes I did look at Amber but they are approaching it differently than us. The guest talks about the differences between Amber and Lucky. 21:54 – Guest (continues): With Lucky you will have to learn a little bit more but you get more of a pack! 23:23 – Panel: It sounds like Lucky is inspired by Elm – right? 23:32 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. The guest dives into this topic of Elm and Lucky! 24:35 – Panel: How much does the types feel like it’s getting in your way? How explicit is it? When I came to Ruby it was a breath of fresh air. I am a bit reluctant to go back to those days. 25:25 – Guest: I think Lucky does a happy medium. It doesn’t infer instant variables. I like the... 26:28 – Panel: I learned Java very early on in my computer science career. 27:00 – Guest. 27:10 – Panel: “Crystal...it’s not Java!” That should be your slogan! 27:20 – Fresh Books! 28:25 – Panel: A lot of people are moving to Elixir community. Do you see people moving from Ruby to Lucky and Crystal? How does Lucky compare to Phoenix? 28:55 – Guest: Good question! 29:10 – The guest talks about bamboo – see links below!! 29: 29 – Guest: Sure Ruby is fast but sometimes you spend more time on it then you would want to. 31:08 – Guest: Blessing and curse that Crystal looks so much like Ruby. That’s what I thought at first: why would I want to learn this if it’s so similar to Ruby. BUT there are so many benefits to Crystal vs. Ruby. 31:48 – Guest talks about Lucky catching the bugs. 32:00 – Panel: I wonder if that happened with Groovy and Rails? 32:21 – They go back-and-forth. 32:28 – Panel: Thoughtbot has always been on the forefront of Ruby. Can you talk about Thoughbot please? (See links below for Thoughtbot!) 33:15 – Guest: Great question. It’s hard to tell b/c there are different offices. I would say Ruby is our main thing. Ruby is the most mature thing that we use in-terms of web development. Guest: Actually – Rails is pretty nice! 34:54 – Panel: We went through the same thing with CodeFund! I wrote it initially in Python and then I wrote it in Elixir and it became so complex. Now we are moving everything back to Ruby and it’s been a fantastic decision. 36:30 – Chuck: You are talking about the sustainability of open source but there are benefits throughout the company right? There are tons of tangible benefits of doing it, especially when it’s your Friday schedule. You can level-up on things that could help you. I know a lot of companies cannot afford it if they are trying to hustle. 37:42 – Guest: It’s totally not charity through Thoughtbot. It’s a huge help for hiring new people. I know they are okay with letting me work on Lucky b/c it’s bringing on new developers and a good marketing tool, and finally recruiting! 39:07 – Chuck: Yeah, I have been talking about developer freedom and that’s what I am addressing through the DevRev show! It’s my new podcast show. We talk with Chris on Elixir Mix. It lends that credibility if they need to save our bacon. 40:02 – Panel: What’s your goal with Lucky? 40:11 – Guest: I would love to get it to the point where Thoughtbot could start a project and default to Lucky! Start a project and not resting every gem and be confident with launching it. 41:36 – Panelist asks a question. 41:45 – Guest: It’s not 1.0 and that means that the API will break with every release. I think that’s good to tweak stuff but that turns companies off, though. 42:40 – Chuck: Another thing that helps with adoption is Twitter used Rails to build their initial version. This blah, blah company uses important stuff and they are using Crystal and whatnot then that’s good! It sounds like you are waiting for social proof. 43:23 – Guest: Is the next Twitter going to even know about Crystal? 43:40 – Chuck: It literally only takes one enthusiast! 43:52 – Guest. 44:11 – Demo of Flickr Search is mentioned here! 45:13 – Panel: Is there something out there that you could POINT someone to? 45:27 – Guest: Not, yet. I built a small site with it! It is opensource and you can look at it. I want to show people a good example of what Lucky can do! 45:57 – Panel: You have very good docs and I am a visual learner. When I learned Rails I learned on my own and not through school. 46:20 – Panelist asks a question. 46:48 – Guest: What a huge advantage Lucky has through the Thoughtbot platform! Now that platform is kind of dried up. In terms of getting people excited it needs that killer app and they can see that it’s fast and killer! I think it takes a lot of time and finding time to do it so that’s tricky. It’s changing a lot when there is so much change. Getting Lucky to a 1.0 state so people can do videos and make apps. The hard part thing is that Lucky has to be 1.0 when Crystal is 1.0. The Lucky community is great b/c it’s encouraging and to respond in a very kind way. When you are starting something that’s new can be scary. We try to help out as much as we can and we are open and kind about it. 49:13 – Panel: “Paul is nice so Lucky is nice!” 49:19 – Guest: Everyone is super kind. It had to be short and simple. We in the dev community are very lucky – usually great pay/benefits and more w/o a college degree. What another field can you do that?! 51:00 – Panel: Great message and you need to push that! 51:10 – Panel: You were on a past podcast and you talked about how you are donating each month! Panel: Opensource maintainers are getting burned out and you want to support that. 51:40 – Guest: I think opensource sustainability what others need to do to make it sustainable. If you have the means to give we can be apart of that, too. It would be nice if companies did that. If it helps Crystal I am happy. 52:17 – Panel: I have a question about Crystal. 52:52 – Guest: Ruby right now you can do C sections right now. 53:01 – Panel. 53:10 – Guest: I don’t think so – it may but I would guess that you could do it but I don’t know how easy it would be. Note: Rust and C are mentioned. 53:37 – Panel comments. 53:46 – Guest: One thing I would say is to check-out the Lucky docs. We are happy to help! 54:10 – Panel: This is a favorite episode of mine! Both of today’s guests have been my favorite! 54:23 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Webpacker-Cli Amber Lucky The Lucky Philosophy The Bike Shed Thoughtbot CodeFund Lucky: Ruby on Rails to Lucky on Crystal... “Crystal is not Ruby Part 1” GitHub: Bamboo Ex_Machina Dialyxir Crystal Mastery Samsung T5 Carbon Copy Cloner iMazing Awesome-Lucky Paul Smith GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Nate Samsung SSD Carbon Copy Cloner Application Eric iMazing HEIC Converter Charles Mastodon Andrew Upcase by Thoughtbot Awesome Lucky Paul Tailwind CSS Phoenix Live HTML Chris McCord Elixir Mix Episodes with Chris McCord
Panel: Charles Max Wood Aimee Knight Chris Ferdinandi AJ O’Neal Special Guest: Andy Bell In this episode, the panel talks with Andy Bell who is an independent designer and developer who uses React, Vue, and Node. Today, the panelists and the guest talk about the power of progressive enhancements. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:34 – Chuck: Hi! Our panel is AJ, Aimee, Chris, myself and my new show is coming out in a few weeks, which is called the DevRev! It helps you with developer’s freedom! I am super excited. Our guest is Andy Bell. Introduce yourself, please. 2:00 – Guest: I am an independent designer and developer out in the U.K. 2:17 – Chuck: You wrote things about Vanilla.js. I am foreshadowing a few things and let’s talk about the power and progressive enhancement. 2:43 – The guest gives us definitions of power and progressive enhancements. He describes how it works. 3:10 – Chuck: I’ve heard that people would turn off JavaScript b/c it was security concern and then your progressive enhancement would make it work w/o JavaScript. I am sure there’s more than that? 3:28 – The guest talks about JavaScript, dependencies, among other things. 4:40 – Chuck: Your post did make that very clear I think. I am thinking I don’t even know where to start with this. Are people using the 6th version? How far back or what are we talking about here? 5:09 – Guest: You can go really far back and make it work w/o CSS. 5:49 – Chris: I am a big advocate of progressive enhancement – the pushback I get these days is that there is a divide; between the broadband era and AOL dialup. Are there compelling reasons why progressive enhancements even matter? 6:48 – Guest. 8:05 – Panel: My family lives out in the boonies. I am aware of 50% of American don’t have fast Internet. People don’t have access to fast browsers but I don’t think they are key metric users. 8:47 – Guest: It totally depends on what you need it for. It doesn’t matter if these people are paying or not. 9:31 – Chris: Assuming I have a commute on the trail and it goes through a spotty section. In a scenario that it’s dependent on the JS...are we talking about 2 different things here? 10:14 – Panelist chimes-in. 10:36 – Chris: I can take advantage of it even if I cannot afford a new machine. 10:55 – Panel: Where would this really matter to you? 11:05 – Chris: I do have a nice new laptop. 11:12 – Chuck: I had to hike up to the hill (near the house) to make a call and the connection was really poor (in OK). It’s not the norm but it can happen. 11:37 – Chris: Or how about the All Trails app when I am on the trail. 11:52 – Guest. 12:40 – Chris: I can remember at the time that the desktop sites it was popular to have... Chris: Most of those sites were inaccessible to me. 13:17 – Guest. 13:51 – Chuck: First-world countries will have a good connection and it’s not a big deal. If you are thinking though about your customers and where they live? Is that fair? I am thinking that my customers need to be able to access the podcast – what would you suggest? What are the things that you’d make sure is accessible to them. 14:31 – Guest: I like to pick on the minimum viable experience? I think to read the transcript is important than the audio (MP3). 15:47 – Chuck. 15:52 – Guest: It’s a lot easier with Vue b/c you don’t’ have to set aside rendering. 17:13 – AJ: I am thinking: that there is a way to start developing progressively and probably cheaper and easier to the person who is developing. If it saves us a buck and helps then we take action. 17:49 – Guest: It’s much easier if you start that way and if you enhance the feature itself. 18:38 – AJ: Let me ask: what are the situations where I wouldn’t / shouldn’t worry about progressive enhancements? 18:57 – Guest answers the question. 19:42 – AJ: I want people to feel motivated in a place WHERE to start. Something like a blog needs Java for comments. Hamburger menu is mentioned, too. 20:20 – Guest. 21:05 – Chris: Can we talk about code? 21:16 – Aimee: This is the direction I wanted to go. What do you mean by that – building your applications progressively? Aimee refers to his blog. 21:44 – Guest. 22:13 – Chuck: I use stock overflow! 22:20 – Guest. 22:24 – Chuck: I mean that’s what Chris uses! 22:33 – Guest (continues). 23:42 – Aimee. 23:54 – Chris. 24:09 – Chris 24:16 – Chris: Andy what do you think about that? 24:22 – Guest: Yes, that’s good. 24:35 – Chris: Where it falls apart is the resistance to progressive enhancements that it means that your approach has to be boring? 25:03 – Guest answers the question. The guest mentions modern CSS and modern JavaScript are mentioned along with tooling. 25:50 – Chuck: My issue is that when we talk about this (progressive enhancement) lowest common denominator and some user at some level (slow network) and then they can access it. Then the next level (better access) can access it. I start at the bottom and then go up. Then when they say progressive enhancement I get lost. Should I scrap it and then start over or what? 26:57 – Guest: If it’s feasible do it and then set a timeline up. 27:42 – Chuck: You are saying yes do it a layer at a time – but my question is HOW? What parts can I pair back? Are there guidelines to say: do this first and then how to test? 28:18 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 29:20 – Guest: Think about the user flow. What does the user want to do at THIS point? Do you need to work out the actual dependencies? 30:31 – Chuck: Is there a list of those capabilities somewhere? So these users can use it this way and these users can use it that way? 30:50 – Guest answers the question. 31:03 – Guest: You can pick out the big things. 31:30 – Chuck: I am using this feature in the browser... 31:41 – Guest. 31:46 – Chris: I think this differently than you Andy – I’ve stopped caring if a browser supports something new. I am fine using CSS grid and if your browser doesn’t support it then I don’t have a problem with that. I get hung up on, though if this fails can they still get the content? If they have no access to these – what should they be able to do? Note: “Cutting the Mustard Test” is mentioned. 33:37 – Guest. 33:44 – Chuck: Knowing your users and if it becomes a problem then I will figure it out. 34:00 – Chris: I couldn’t spare the time to make it happen right now b/c I am a one-man shop. 34:20 – Chuck and Chris go back-and-forth. 34:36 –Chris: Check out links below for my product. 34:54 – AJ: A lot of these things are in the name: progressive. 36:20 – Guest. 38:51 – Chris: Say that they haven’t looked at it all before. Do you mind talking about these things and what the heck is a web component? 39:14 – The guest gives us his definition of what a web component is. 40:02 – Chuck: Most recent episode in Angular about web components, but that was a few years ago. See links below for that episode. 40:25 – Aimee. 40:31 – Guest: Yes, it’s a lot like working in Vue and web components. The concepts are very similar. 41:22 – Chris: Can someone please give us an example? A literal slideshow example? 41:45 – Guest answers the question. 45:07 – Chris. 45:12 – Guest: It’s a framework that just happens to use web components and stuff to help. 45:54 – Chuck: Yeah they make it easier (Palmer). Yeah there is a crossover with Palmer team and other teams. I can say that b/c I have talked with people from both teams. Anything else? 46:39 – Chuck: Where do they go to learn more? 46:49 – Guest: Check out the Club! And my Twitter! (See links below.) 47:33 – Chuck: I want to shout-out about DevLifts that has $19 a month to help you with physical goals. Or you can get the premium slot! It’s terrific stuff. Sign-up with DEVCHAT code but there is a limited number of slots and there is a deadline, too. Just try it! They have a podcast, too! 49:16 – Aimee: Yeah, I’m on their podcast soon! 49:30 – Chuck: Picks! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! Links: JavaScript React Elixir Ember.js Vue GO jQuery Node.js Puppeteer Cypress Past episode: AiA 115 Past episode: JSJ 120 Vue.js – Slots Using templates and slots – Article Web Components Club GitHub: Pwa – Starter – Kit Progressively Enhanced Toggle Panel Time Ago in under 50 lines of JavaScript GitHub: ebook-boilerplate Chris Ferdinandi’s Go Make Things Site Game Chops CNBC – Trump Article New in Node v10.12 Quotes Archive My Amazon Interview Horror Story DevPal.io Honest Work Relative Paths DevLifts Andy Bell’s Twitter Andy’s Website Sponsors: DevLifts Kendo UI Sentry CacheFly Picks: Aimee Hacker News - Programming Quotes My Amazon Interview Horror Story Chris Time Ago in Under 50 Lines of JavaScript E-Book Boiler Plate JSJABBER at gomakethings.com AJ Experimental Drugs Bill My Browers FYI New In Node,10.12 Arcade Attack Charles Getacoderjob.com Self-Publishing School MF CEO podcast Andy Devpay.io Honest.work Relativepath.uk
Panel: Charles Max Wood Aimee Knight Chris Ferdinandi AJ O’Neal Special Guest: Andy Bell In this episode, the panel talks with Andy Bell who is an independent designer and developer who uses React, Vue, and Node. Today, the panelists and the guest talk about the power of progressive enhancements. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:34 – Chuck: Hi! Our panel is AJ, Aimee, Chris, myself and my new show is coming out in a few weeks, which is called the DevRev! It helps you with developer’s freedom! I am super excited. Our guest is Andy Bell. Introduce yourself, please. 2:00 – Guest: I am an independent designer and developer out in the U.K. 2:17 – Chuck: You wrote things about Vanilla.js. I am foreshadowing a few things and let’s talk about the power and progressive enhancement. 2:43 – The guest gives us definitions of power and progressive enhancements. He describes how it works. 3:10 – Chuck: I’ve heard that people would turn off JavaScript b/c it was security concern and then your progressive enhancement would make it work w/o JavaScript. I am sure there’s more than that? 3:28 – The guest talks about JavaScript, dependencies, among other things. 4:40 – Chuck: Your post did make that very clear I think. I am thinking I don’t even know where to start with this. Are people using the 6th version? How far back or what are we talking about here? 5:09 – Guest: You can go really far back and make it work w/o CSS. 5:49 – Chris: I am a big advocate of progressive enhancement – the pushback I get these days is that there is a divide; between the broadband era and AOL dialup. Are there compelling reasons why progressive enhancements even matter? 6:48 – Guest. 8:05 – Panel: My family lives out in the boonies. I am aware of 50% of American don’t have fast Internet. People don’t have access to fast browsers but I don’t think they are key metric users. 8:47 – Guest: It totally depends on what you need it for. It doesn’t matter if these people are paying or not. 9:31 – Chris: Assuming I have a commute on the trail and it goes through a spotty section. In a scenario that it’s dependent on the JS...are we talking about 2 different things here? 10:14 – Panelist chimes-in. 10:36 – Chris: I can take advantage of it even if I cannot afford a new machine. 10:55 – Panel: Where would this really matter to you? 11:05 – Chris: I do have a nice new laptop. 11:12 – Chuck: I had to hike up to the hill (near the house) to make a call and the connection was really poor (in OK). It’s not the norm but it can happen. 11:37 – Chris: Or how about the All Trails app when I am on the trail. 11:52 – Guest. 12:40 – Chris: I can remember at the time that the desktop sites it was popular to have... Chris: Most of those sites were inaccessible to me. 13:17 – Guest. 13:51 – Chuck: First-world countries will have a good connection and it’s not a big deal. If you are thinking though about your customers and where they live? Is that fair? I am thinking that my customers need to be able to access the podcast – what would you suggest? What are the things that you’d make sure is accessible to them. 14:31 – Guest: I like to pick on the minimum viable experience? I think to read the transcript is important than the audio (MP3). 15:47 – Chuck. 15:52 – Guest: It’s a lot easier with Vue b/c you don’t’ have to set aside rendering. 17:13 – AJ: I am thinking: that there is a way to start developing progressively and probably cheaper and easier to the person who is developing. If it saves us a buck and helps then we take action. 17:49 – Guest: It’s much easier if you start that way and if you enhance the feature itself. 18:38 – AJ: Let me ask: what are the situations where I wouldn’t / shouldn’t worry about progressive enhancements? 18:57 – Guest answers the question. 19:42 – AJ: I want people to feel motivated in a place WHERE to start. Something like a blog needs Java for comments. Hamburger menu is mentioned, too. 20:20 – Guest. 21:05 – Chris: Can we talk about code? 21:16 – Aimee: This is the direction I wanted to go. What do you mean by that – building your applications progressively? Aimee refers to his blog. 21:44 – Guest. 22:13 – Chuck: I use stock overflow! 22:20 – Guest. 22:24 – Chuck: I mean that’s what Chris uses! 22:33 – Guest (continues). 23:42 – Aimee. 23:54 – Chris. 24:09 – Chris 24:16 – Chris: Andy what do you think about that? 24:22 – Guest: Yes, that’s good. 24:35 – Chris: Where it falls apart is the resistance to progressive enhancements that it means that your approach has to be boring? 25:03 – Guest answers the question. The guest mentions modern CSS and modern JavaScript are mentioned along with tooling. 25:50 – Chuck: My issue is that when we talk about this (progressive enhancement) lowest common denominator and some user at some level (slow network) and then they can access it. Then the next level (better access) can access it. I start at the bottom and then go up. Then when they say progressive enhancement I get lost. Should I scrap it and then start over or what? 26:57 – Guest: If it’s feasible do it and then set a timeline up. 27:42 – Chuck: You are saying yes do it a layer at a time – but my question is HOW? What parts can I pair back? Are there guidelines to say: do this first and then how to test? 28:18 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 29:20 – Guest: Think about the user flow. What does the user want to do at THIS point? Do you need to work out the actual dependencies? 30:31 – Chuck: Is there a list of those capabilities somewhere? So these users can use it this way and these users can use it that way? 30:50 – Guest answers the question. 31:03 – Guest: You can pick out the big things. 31:30 – Chuck: I am using this feature in the browser... 31:41 – Guest. 31:46 – Chris: I think this differently than you Andy – I’ve stopped caring if a browser supports something new. I am fine using CSS grid and if your browser doesn’t support it then I don’t have a problem with that. I get hung up on, though if this fails can they still get the content? If they have no access to these – what should they be able to do? Note: “Cutting the Mustard Test” is mentioned. 33:37 – Guest. 33:44 – Chuck: Knowing your users and if it becomes a problem then I will figure it out. 34:00 – Chris: I couldn’t spare the time to make it happen right now b/c I am a one-man shop. 34:20 – Chuck and Chris go back-and-forth. 34:36 –Chris: Check out links below for my product. 34:54 – AJ: A lot of these things are in the name: progressive. 36:20 – Guest. 38:51 – Chris: Say that they haven’t looked at it all before. Do you mind talking about these things and what the heck is a web component? 39:14 – The guest gives us his definition of what a web component is. 40:02 – Chuck: Most recent episode in Angular about web components, but that was a few years ago. See links below for that episode. 40:25 – Aimee. 40:31 – Guest: Yes, it’s a lot like working in Vue and web components. The concepts are very similar. 41:22 – Chris: Can someone please give us an example? A literal slideshow example? 41:45 – Guest answers the question. 45:07 – Chris. 45:12 – Guest: It’s a framework that just happens to use web components and stuff to help. 45:54 – Chuck: Yeah they make it easier (Palmer). Yeah there is a crossover with Palmer team and other teams. I can say that b/c I have talked with people from both teams. Anything else? 46:39 – Chuck: Where do they go to learn more? 46:49 – Guest: Check out the Club! And my Twitter! (See links below.) 47:33 – Chuck: I want to shout-out about DevLifts that has $19 a month to help you with physical goals. Or you can get the premium slot! It’s terrific stuff. Sign-up with DEVCHAT code but there is a limited number of slots and there is a deadline, too. Just try it! They have a podcast, too! 49:16 – Aimee: Yeah, I’m on their podcast soon! 49:30 – Chuck: Picks! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! Links: JavaScript React Elixir Ember.js Vue GO jQuery Node.js Puppeteer Cypress Past episode: AiA 115 Past episode: JSJ 120 Vue.js – Slots Using templates and slots – Article Web Components Club GitHub: Pwa – Starter – Kit Progressively Enhanced Toggle Panel Time Ago in under 50 lines of JavaScript GitHub: ebook-boilerplate Chris Ferdinandi’s Go Make Things Site Game Chops CNBC – Trump Article New in Node v10.12 Quotes Archive My Amazon Interview Horror Story DevPal.io Honest Work Relative Paths DevLifts Andy Bell’s Twitter Andy’s Website Sponsors: DevLifts Kendo UI Sentry CacheFly Picks: Aimee Hacker News - Programming Quotes My Amazon Interview Horror Story Chris Time Ago in Under 50 Lines of JavaScript E-Book Boiler Plate JSJABBER at gomakethings.com AJ Experimental Drugs Bill My Browers FYI New In Node,10.12 Arcade Attack Charles Getacoderjob.com Self-Publishing School MF CEO podcast Andy Devpay.io Honest.work Relativepath.uk
Panel: Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Paul Smith and Andrew Mason In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Paul Smith and Andrew Mason! They discuss the platforms Lucky and Crystal. Other topics include: Ruby, Phoenix, Laravel Mix, Thoughtbot, Webpack, compilers, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Welcome!! Eric Berry, Nate Hopkins, and myself are the panel - and our special guests are Paul Smith and Andrew Mason. Introduce yourself! 1:41 – Andrew / Guest: I have messed with every type of language, so there’s that! 1:55 – Paul / Guest: I have been here at my current company for 5 years and it’s a consultancy firm. I have been working on Crystal. 2:14 – Chuck: We are lucky to have you! Give people the elevator pitch for Lucky and Crystal? 2:33 – Guest: Let’s talk about Crystal and looks very similar to Ruby! It’s faster and it’s a compound language. It catches a fair amount of things at compile time. The other special features are... 4:17 – Guest mentions compilers. 4:23 – Chuck: Yeah we see this in the typescript. Is it language service – is that what it’s called? Pile and compile and all of this checking are a nice stage for it to run-through. Although the flipside is coding and to not worry about that – that’s nice! 4:56 – Guest: It has changed my approach for sure. 5:43 – Panel: How much slower are you? 5:54 – Guest: I am a lot faster in Crystal than I am in Ruby. 6:51 – Panel: Yeah you have to figure out where you want to save the time. 7:00 – Guest: Someone wrote a blog post and it said...the Rails service is like bolting a shelf on a wall and hoping to hit a stud and it’s not solid. But using Lucky it’s sold although it took a little longer. I think it can be true. You can do bad things with compilers, though. It depends on how you use it. 7:43 – Panelist asks a question. 7:53 – Guest: Every Friday is an investment day. Lucky is my “whatever I want thing.” I am technically getting paid to work on it. 8:33 – Panel: have you had to battle with the framework? 8:51 – Guest: Yes, even though Crystal looks like Ruby (at a high level) if you want to do it well you have to approach it in the Crystal-way. When I came to Crystal I came to it like Rails. The problem with that is I wanted to have type-saved parameters – you can’t do that in Crystal b/c...it doesn’t know when to have a parameter with... 10:48 – Panel: I have heard you talk about Crystal before on another podcast. You talked about templating and I am curious to hear about that. I have used Slim and others and now stick to ERB. 11:25 – Guest: Yes definitely. Let’s back up and talk about WHAT Lucky does! The guest talks about Rails, escaping, and more! 14:37 – Panel: So I imagine Rails partials are slow and expensive to render. I would imagine that this approach with Lucky... 15:00 – Guest: Yes exactly. It’s extremely fast! 15:20 – Panel: How is this for designers? 15:30 – Guest: Yes that was a concern of mine. With Lucky I tried to make it close to a regular HTML structure would look like! 16:32 – Panel: I spun up a Lucky app the other day. It looks like you are using... 16:50 – Guest: I have played around with a bunch of stuff. I landed on Laravel Mix. 18:27 – Panel: Yes webpack is a pain to set up and it’s hard to get it to working the way you want it to work. 18:47 – Guest: Yeah if you want React or whatever it will generate the configuration you need. I don’t like it b/c if you want to... 19:28 – Panel. 19:45 – Guest: I don’t want to maintain it. 19:54 – Panel: There is a Crystal community in Utah. I want to know – are you competing with Amber? Explain the difference between Lucky and Amber? 20:20 – Guest: Yes I did look at Amber but they are approaching it differently than us. The guest talks about the differences between Amber and Lucky. 21:54 – Guest (continues): With Lucky you will have to learn a little bit more but you get more of a pack! 23:23 – Panel: It sounds like Lucky is inspired by Elm – right? 23:32 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. The guest dives into this topic of Elm and Lucky! 24:35 – Panel: How much does the types feel like it’s getting in your way? How explicit is it? When I came to Ruby it was a breath of fresh air. I am a bit reluctant to go back to those days. 25:25 – Guest: I think Lucky does a happy medium. It doesn’t infer instant variables. I like the... 26:28 – Panel: I learned Java very early on in my computer science career. 27:00 – Guest. 27:10 – Panel: “Crystal...it’s not Java!” That should be your slogan! 27:20 – Fresh Books! 28:25 – Panel: A lot of people are moving to Elixir community. Do you see people moving from Ruby to Lucky and Crystal? How does Lucky compare to Phoenix? 28:55 – Guest: Good question! 29:10 – The guest talks about bamboo – see links below!! 29: 29 – Guest: Sure Ruby is fast but sometimes you spend more time on it then you would want to. 31:08 – Guest: Blessing and curse that Crystal looks so much like Ruby. That’s what I thought at first: why would I want to learn this if it’s so similar to Ruby. BUT there are so many benefits to Crystal vs. Ruby. 31:48 – Guest talks about Lucky catching the bugs. 32:00 – Panel: I wonder if that happened with Groovy and Rails? 32:21 – They go back-and-forth. 32:28 – Panel: Thoughtbot has always been on the forefront of Ruby. Can you talk about Thoughbot please? (See links below for Thoughtbot!) 33:15 – Guest: Great question. It’s hard to tell b/c there are different offices. I would say Ruby is our main thing. Ruby is the most mature thing that we use in-terms of web development. Guest: Actually – Rails is pretty nice! 34:54 – Panel: We went through the same thing with CodeFund! I wrote it initially in Python and then I wrote it in Elixir and it became so complex. Now we are moving everything back to Ruby and it’s been a fantastic decision. 36:30 – Chuck: You are talking about the sustainability of open source but there are benefits throughout the company right? There are tons of tangible benefits of doing it, especially when it’s your Friday schedule. You can level-up on things that could help you. I know a lot of companies cannot afford it if they are trying to hustle. 37:42 – Guest: It’s totally not charity through Thoughtbot. It’s a huge help for hiring new people. I know they are okay with letting me work on Lucky b/c it’s bringing on new developers and a good marketing tool, and finally recruiting! 39:07 – Chuck: Yeah, I have been talking about developer freedom and that’s what I am addressing through the DevRev show! It’s my new podcast show. We talk with Chris on Elixir Mix. It lends that credibility if they need to save our bacon. 40:02 – Panel: What’s your goal with Lucky? 40:11 – Guest: I would love to get it to the point where Thoughtbot could start a project and default to Lucky! Start a project and not resting every gem and be confident with launching it. 41:36 – Panelist asks a question. 41:45 – Guest: It’s not 1.0 and that means that the API will break with every release. I think that’s good to tweak stuff but that turns companies off, though. 42:40 – Chuck: Another thing that helps with adoption is Twitter used Rails to build their initial version. This blah, blah company uses important stuff and they are using Crystal and whatnot then that’s good! It sounds like you are waiting for social proof. 43:23 – Guest: Is the next Twitter going to even know about Crystal? 43:40 – Chuck: It literally only takes one enthusiast! 43:52 – Guest. 44:11 – Demo of Flickr Search is mentioned here! 45:13 – Panel: Is there something out there that you could POINT someone to? 45:27 – Guest: Not, yet. I built a small site with it! It is opensource and you can look at it. I want to show people a good example of what Lucky can do! 45:57 – Panel: You have very good docs and I am a visual learner. When I learned Rails I learned on my own and not through school. 46:20 – Panelist asks a question. 46:48 – Guest: What a huge advantage Lucky has through the Thoughtbot platform! Now that platform is kind of dried up. In terms of getting people excited it needs that killer app and they can see that it’s fast and killer! I think it takes a lot of time and finding time to do it so that’s tricky. It’s changing a lot when there is so much change. Getting Lucky to a 1.0 state so people can do videos and make apps. The hard part thing is that Lucky has to be 1.0 when Crystal is 1.0. The Lucky community is great b/c it’s encouraging and to respond in a very kind way. When you are starting something that’s new can be scary. We try to help out as much as we can and we are open and kind about it. 49:13 – Panel: “Paul is nice so Lucky is nice!” 49:19 – Guest: Everyone is super kind. It had to be short and simple. We in the dev community are very lucky – usually great pay/benefits and more w/o a college degree. What another field can you do that?! 51:00 – Panel: Great message and you need to push that! 51:10 – Panel: You were on a past podcast and you talked about how you are donating each month! Panel: Opensource maintainers are getting burned out and you want to support that. 51:40 – Guest: I think opensource sustainability what others need to do to make it sustainable. If you have the means to give we can be apart of that, too. It would be nice if companies did that. If it helps Crystal I am happy. 52:17 – Panel: I have a question about Crystal. 52:52 – Guest: Ruby right now you can do C sections right now. 53:01 – Panel. 53:10 – Guest: I don’t think so – it may but I would guess that you could do it but I don’t know how easy it would be. Note: Rust and C are mentioned. 53:37 – Panel comments. 53:46 – Guest: One thing I would say is to check-out the Lucky docs. We are happy to help! 54:10 – Panel: This is a favorite episode of mine! Both of today’s guests have been my favorite! 54:23 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest: Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit. 36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar
Panel: Charles Max Wood In this episode, Chuck discusses his new podcast show titled the DevRev. Chuck also asks you very honest questions that will get you thinking; such as: What does freedom mean to you? How do you want your life and career to unfold? How can we (at the DevRev) help you with your career decisions? Check out today’s episode to hear about this and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:52 – Chuck: Welcome! The panel is myself! I had this idea bouncing in my head for a while and I got some verification while waiting for my guest and panelists to show up. The show that I am producing is called, DevRev and it’s based on developer freedom. 2:22 – Chuck: Some developers love to contribute to open source. Some developers say that they don’t get along with their boss or coworkers. Others will say that they aren’t learning and feel like they are falling behind. I am on the B team and want to be on the A team. It boils down to: are they getting the freedom to do what they want to do. 3:45 – Chuck: I haven’t been happier with my job since I’ve gone self-employed. Having a sense of freedom could have a different definition for you. Perhaps you are looking for time to go hiking, skiing, and so on. For you it could be programming is to help you with your hobbies. What kind of opportunities can YOU create for yourself in programming? 5:32 – Chuck: When I got into programming (at first) I didn’t have a real clear idea. My old boss would have these ideas and would change the day after our meeting, which was frustrating. Freedom could be things from the things that don’t make you happy. Maybe an office space for you doesn’t work for you. 6:41 – Chuck: 1.) Freedom in life to do what you want! 2.) Freedom in your career to elevate you where you want to be. Chuck: Freedom to pursue the things that I care about vs. not pursue the things I don’t care about. First of all how do we take care of the big things? How do we reach our long-term goals? Finally, how do we remove all of the other interrupts and optimize our experience day-to-day to achieve things we want to achieve? 8:48 – Chuck: I was talking with Chris and his ideas are centered on with helping the community. We talked about the things that hang him up, too? 9:26 – Chuck: “I am swamped at work – what do I do?” I want to help you solve your issues. What’s your idea of freedom? 10:15 – Chuck: How do you feel fulfilled? Let’s find you a place that will payoff for you. There are all kinds of ideas around this. That’s where I want to dive-into! 11:11 – Chuck: If there are any questions that you have in particular – shoot me a message! I will gladly answer your questions and check out TheDevRev.com! I have some friends who run a financial podcast – 2 Frugal Dudes. I want you to ask the questions that are irking you. 12:36 – Chuck: I feel like there are tons of opportunities for developers out there that we can help you find what’s a good place for you. Find what you want out your career and life – find something that will line-up for you. Even if you are trying to find your first job! There are a lot of options out there. I am putting the show out on YouTube and Facebook! END – Advertisement – Cache Fly! Links: Discord App Discord App – DevChat TV TheDevRev.com Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Charles zoom.us repurpose.io
Panel: Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Josh Justice In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Josh Justice who is a developer, writer, and speaker. Josh streams JavaScript and web development on Friday’s at 2:00 PM (ET) here! The panelists and the guest talk about Josh’s background and frontend testing in Ruby. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:04 – Chuck: Hi! Dave, Nate, and myself are on the panel and our special guest is Josh Justice! I am developing a show about developer freedom and it’s called The DevRev. It will be streamed through YouTube, and I will record Friday afternoons. Check out Facebook, too! 2:11 – Josh: Thanks! I am happy to be here! 2:18 – Chuck: Introduce yourself, please! 2:24 – Josh: I have been a developer for about 14 years. I have used PHP and then got into Ruby and then frontend development. 2:46 – Chuck: You work for Big Nerd Ranch in Atlanta? 2:56 – Josh: Yep for the last 3-4 years! 3:15 – Chuck: Can you introduce the topic? 3:25 – The guest talks about Big Nerd Ranch and frontend development. Learn TDD is mentioned, too! Check it out here! 5:06 – Panel: How much bouncing do you do between React and Vue? 5:11 – Guest. 5:47 – Chuck: We need to get you on our podcast shows for React and Vue! It’s an approach that I am familiar with in Ruby – and Selenium what a pain! 6:16 – Guest: I’ve had a good experience with Cypress, actually! 7:47 – Guest: Panelist, can you share your experiences? 7:57 – Panel: Not bad experiences with testing, but now I am trying to minimize my use with JavaScript. 8:30 – Guest: I think there is a big push towards considering more server site rendering. 9:35 – Panel: What’s your recommendation to setup Cypress? 9:40 – Guest: Their docs are really great! They had some conference talks on how to set it up! 10:15 – Guest: Check out my talks about this topic. (Connect Tech 2018). 10:29 – Panel: I think Cypress is a pretty cool solution but one thing that left me confused is that you have to have an environment that is already stood-up and running. Is that accurate or has that changed? 11:00 – Guest: Can you clarify what you mean by a “running environment”? 11:04 – Panelist clarifies. 11:44 – Guest: Luckily for me I have something to say b/c I tried a week ago! 12:01 – Guest mentions Vue CLI 3. 14:38 – Panel: How can you test your code coverage? I want to know how much of my code coverage am I hitting? The applications are up and running, it’s not going through the files (per se), and is there anything that would indicate how good your coverage is with the Cypress test? 15:10 – Guest: Let me as a follow-up question: How do you approach it on the frontend? 15:24 – Panelist answers the guest’s question. 16:06 – The guest mentions Vue CLI 2 & 3. 18:31 – Chuck: Are you using the tool Istanbul? 18:36 – Guest: Yep Istanbul is the one! 18:54 – Chuck: I’ve heard some similar rumors, but can’t say. 19:02 – Panelist talks. 20:13 – Chuck: I have been working on a project and what doesn’t get test-coverage gets a candidate to get pulled-out. 20:40 – Guest: Talking about test-driven development... Guest: Have you read the original book? 21:02 – Guest: The book: “Effective Testing with RSpec 3” is updated information – check it out! The guest mentions his live stream on Friday’s. Check out the links found below! 23:57 – Panel: How is the stability with tests like Cypress with end-to-end tests? If you are testing with a login then the user has to be already created. Or what about a Twitter app – the user has to be created and not followed? How do you handle that? 24:22 – Guest: I think we are spoiled in the Rails world b/c of those... 24:53 – The guest answers the panelist’s question! 26:59 – Fresh Books! 28:07 – Guest: Does that help? 28:10 – Panel. 28:21 – Guest: I have been thinking about this, though, recently. Thinking about the contracts through the business. I have dabbled with native development and I see the cost that runs a native app. 30:21 – Panel: It’s refreshing to hear the new market’s demands. I truly haven’t seen an application that requires that. I have built some extensive applications and also very simple ones, too; the need for productivity. 31:17 – Guest mentions a talk at a conference. See here for that information! 31:43 – Guest: I have a friend who was a new developer and he really knows his stuff. He said that he didn’t know if he could be a full stack developer in the next 5-10 years. Wait a minute?! Guest: The freedom to create something that stands alone. Guest: Tom Dale is mentioned by the Guest. 33:35 – Panel: To choose Rails as a new developer (today) it’s not as easy as it was back in the day. Today you have Active Job, Action Cable and so many other components. It’s more complicated today then it was in the past. It could be overwhelming to a new developer. 35:00 – Chuck: I think a lot of that is the community’s fault and not Rails’ fault. 35:57 – Panel. 36:04 – Panel: The counter-argument could say that’s where server-less come in. 36:27 – Chuck: To some degree you can get away with it. You don’t have to worry about the infrastructure or anything else. 36:44 – Panel: Have you tried messing around with server-less functions with AWS? I have and...it’s not easy. There is not a good flow or good work flow in a server-less environment. 38:01 – Chuck: You can go to this website. It makes the setup easier b/c you are adding your Azure or AWS features. 38:30 – Panel: This topic, though, does tie back to the testing topic we were talking about earlier! 39:14 – Panel: Yeah that is why I haven’t gotten into server-less things. The Rails holistic approach is so appealing. 40:14 – Panel continues: I want to take smaller steps when it comes to technology! I want to move into things that we are laying down the tracks to make it easier travelable. That way we can consider the things we’ve learned in the past and help those in the future. 41:07 – Chuck: What are lacking then? What is the friction that is left? Seems like Cypress helped removed that but maybe not? 42:02 – Panelist mentions Cypress, Jest, Mocha, and others! 43:10 – Panel (continues): I am all about experimenting but I want to know all the reasons. What has changed and what hasn’t’ changed? 43:29 – Panel: There is an article written that talks about this topic. 43:59 – Guest mentions the video “Is TDD Dead?” (See links below.) 44:29 – Guest: I like brining thoughts together and taking his or her input and come up with my own thoughts. 46:32 – Guest (continues): The testing trophy is heavier on the top (picture of a trophy). Guest: I think the thing that draws me to unit testing is that... 47:37 – Guest: I am obsessed with testing. The guest gives a summary here! 48:15 – Chuck: We talked with Quincy Larson last week and it’s a really good take on what we are doing and what we are trying to accomplish with our tests. Check it out – it’s coming out soon! 49:05 – Panel: When you are younger into your career – the way you think about structuring your code – when you are comfortable you really don’t need that guidance. 50:00 – Guest: I would encourage folks who were new to coding to do the following... 51:36 – Guest: Think about WHY you are doing (what you are doing) and being able to articulate well what you are doing and why. 52:03 – Panel: There is no question – every time I test I am surprised how much it shapes my thinking about the code and how many bugs that I catch even in code that I thought was operating well. When you go too far though there is a fallacy there. 52:54 – Panel: Yes, testing is very important. I am a test-after-the-fact programmer. That is my self-key term. Don’t write 500-line methods b/c you won’t be able to test that. Don’t make it too abstract so have a common pattern that you will use. Have a lot of private methods that aren’t exposed to the API. 54:03 – Guest: Yes thinking about how to structure your code can be challenging at first but it gets easier. 55:58 – Chuck: I have had talks with Corey Haines about topics like this! 56:47 – Guest: Yes it can be helpful in consultancy now. 59:23 – Guest: Think about this: choosing what level to test at. 1:00:14 – Panel: It’s hard b/c it changes all the time per function or something else. There are tradeoffs with everything we do. 1:00:41 – Chuck: You are the consultant it depends doesn’t it? 1:00:51 – Picks! 1:00:55 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React VUE CLI 3 Jest.io Mocha.js GitHub: Istanbul The RSpec Book RR 068 Episode Ember CLI GitHub: Factory_Bot GitHub: VCR Big Nerd Ranch Big Nerd Ranch: Josh Justice / Team Manager The Bike Shed Keynote: Tom Dale @ EmberFest 2018 JSJ 291 Episode Serverless Article: Test-Induced Design Damage Video: Is TDD Dead? Music: Sub Conscious – Electronic / 2004 Music: Interloper / 2015 Disney Heroes: Battle Mode Google Play: Disney Heroes / Battle Mode Book Authoring Playlist Tom Dale’s Twitter Corey Haines’ Twitter Coding It Wrong Josh’s Twitter Josh’s GitHub Josh’s LinkedIn Josh’s Vimeo Video Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Nate Phutureprimitive - Sub Conscious Carbon Based Lifeforms - Interloper Dave Dust collections system in Wood Shop Doctor Who - Theme Music Charles Authoring music Disney Hero Battles Josh Effecting Testing with RSpec 3 Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Test XUnit Test Patterns Spectacle App Alfred App
Panel: Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Special Guest: Devon Estes In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Devon Estes who is a software developer who uses Elixir. He currently resides in Berlin, Germany and has been working there for the past four years. The panelists and the guest talk about Elixir, testing, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:49 – Chuck: I am starting a new show called The DevRev. Check it out here! Our special guest today is Devon Estes. Episode 18 is a past episode you’ve been on – check it out here! 1:26 – Devon: I am American but live in Berlin, Germany for about 4 years now. I was a freelancer, but now I am at a “real” job now where I am a software developer using Elixir. 1:50 – Chuck: Cool! 2:05 – Guest: Something to always talk about testing – it’s evergreen! 2:15 – Chuck: What are the benefits you get from testing and what is your approach? 2:24 – The guest answers the question. 3:53 – Panelist chimes in. 4:18 – Panel: I like playing around and I know when something is terrible. I have to poke around to figure out if I like it or not. I am an exploratory developer. I write a test and it looks great at first but the implementation is terrible or something. 5:54 – Mark comments on developers and how they interact with their code. 7:15 – Mark: How do you approach that? I heard you talking about tests, spikes and other things. 7:22 – Guest: If it is something that is small I will write the test first. If it’s larger I will usually do 2-3 spikes to figure out what is going on. The guest continues with this topic. 8:54 – Panel: I found that over the years I couldn’t do that. 9:21 – Guest: With the topic of testing in Elixir I have these “rules” but I break them all the time. Sometimes you get better, cleaner tests out of it if you were to break the rule(s.). Tests are only there for 90% of the time, in my own opinion. Sometimes you have to play around to see what’s going on. 10:36 – Panel: I agree a lot, especially with integrations. 10:49 – Guest. 12:18 – Panel: You have these guidelines or rules and you know when to break those rules. You talked about these specific rules and I thought it was interesting. I was reading through these and I have the same rules but you codified them with examples. Can you walk us through your guidelines? 13:00 – Guest: To be super clear I am talking about unit tests. When I think of testing there is this testing pyramid. 13:52 – Panel. 14:57 – Guest: Like I said, these rules are meant to be broken, if appropriate. 16:39 – Guest continues with unit testing and other types of testing. He talks about easier to more difficult kinds of tests. 17:42 – Guest (continues): Sometimes the tests are accurately true, and sometimes not. It can be easy to get into those traps. Hopefully they will tell you what is expected. 18:25 – Panel: In Ruby, there is a test that would modify your code and remove stuff? Was it Mutant? Mutant testing. 19:03 – Guest answers the question. 19:38 – Guest: I don’t know if Elixir has anything like that, yet, but it would be pretty cool. It would be a good idea for someone to take on! 20:00 – Chuck: I have had conversations with a colleague – they both pushed back and talked more about Cypress.io and integrated tests. 21:04 – Chuck: I think it’s interesting to see the different approaches! 21:14 – Guest: We are lucky to have great tooling in Elixir!! The guest mentions Wallaby.js! 24:39 – The guest talks about unit levels. Check it out here! 26:35 – Panel. 26:48 – Chuck: How does it affect my workflow? I like end-to-end tests. The efficiency, if it’s repeating stuff – I don’t care – as long as it’s fast enough. If it ruins my workflow then it’s a problem. 27:22 – Panel. 28:12 – The topic “test coverage” is mentioned by Chuck. 28:25 – Panel. 29:02 – FreshBooks! 30:10 – Guest talks about Wallaby.js. 32:24 – Panel: We’ve had you on before, and the idea is that you are all into Elixir and its path. (EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes) 32:57 – Guest: I think testing in Elixir is simpler. 34:04 – Panel. 34:07 – Guest: You have commands and you have queries. The guest gives a hypothetical example! The guest also mentions GenServers, too. 35:42 – Guest: There are two ways that you can interact with the process: command & queries. 37:00 – Guest talks about different libraries such as: MoX. 37:41 – Panel: Any tips on testing the servers; just any GenServer? 38:25 – Panelist shares his approach with this. 39:54 – Guest: I don’t test name servers b/c they are by definition global state. The guest goes into great detail about testing – check it out! 46:29 – Panel. 47:01 – Guest: I kind of hate the term dependency interjection in the functional context. 47:17 – Panel: I think it’s helpful, because... 47:28 – Guest. 47:49 – Panelists go back-and-forth! 48:20 – Panel: Sending a message to the testing process – this was something that was stated by Devon earlier. I find this really helpful. 49:00 – Chuck: Picks! 49:05 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Wallaby Cypress.io Mutation Testing – GitHub MoX MRS 003 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 295 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 330 – Episode with Devon Estes EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes Devon’s GitHub Devon’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Get Alias Blog - Mox Josh GitPitch.com Slide Deck by Josh Charles Values Extreme Ownership Sit down with your team Discord server for DevChat Recommendation Page for Elixir Devon Dell Laptop XPS 13 Play Station Mini Test - devonestes@gmail.com
Panel: Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Josh Justice In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Josh Justice who is a developer, writer, and speaker. Josh streams JavaScript and web development on Friday’s at 2:00 PM (ET) here! The panelists and the guest talk about Josh’s background and frontend testing in Ruby. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:04 – Chuck: Hi! Dave, Nate, and myself are on the panel and our special guest is Josh Justice! I am developing a show about developer freedom and it’s called The DevRev. It will be streamed through YouTube, and I will record Friday afternoons. Check out Facebook, too! 2:11 – Josh: Thanks! I am happy to be here! 2:18 – Chuck: Introduce yourself, please! 2:24 – Josh: I have been a developer for about 14 years. I have used PHP and then got into Ruby and then frontend development. 2:46 – Chuck: You work for Big Nerd Ranch in Atlanta? 2:56 – Josh: Yep for the last 3-4 years! 3:15 – Chuck: Can you introduce the topic? 3:25 – The guest talks about Big Nerd Ranch and frontend development. Learn TDD is mentioned, too! Check it out here! 5:06 – Panel: How much bouncing do you do between React and Vue? 5:11 – Guest. 5:47 – Chuck: We need to get you on our podcast shows for React and Vue! It’s an approach that I am familiar with in Ruby – and Selenium what a pain! 6:16 – Guest: I’ve had a good experience with Cypress, actually! 7:47 – Guest: Panelist, can you share your experiences? 7:57 – Panel: Not bad experiences with testing, but now I am trying to minimize my use with JavaScript. 8:30 – Guest: I think there is a big push towards considering more server site rendering. 9:35 – Panel: What’s your recommendation to setup Cypress? 9:40 – Guest: Their docs are really great! They had some conference talks on how to set it up! 10:15 – Guest: Check out my talks about this topic. (Connect Tech 2018). 10:29 – Panel: I think Cypress is a pretty cool solution but one thing that left me confused is that you have to have an environment that is already stood-up and running. Is that accurate or has that changed? 11:00 – Guest: Can you clarify what you mean by a “running environment”? 11:04 – Panelist clarifies. 11:44 – Guest: Luckily for me I have something to say b/c I tried a week ago! 12:01 – Guest mentions Vue CLI 3. 14:38 – Panel: How can you test your code coverage? I want to know how much of my code coverage am I hitting? The applications are up and running, it’s not going through the files (per se), and is there anything that would indicate how good your coverage is with the Cypress test? 15:10 – Guest: Let me as a follow-up question: How do you approach it on the frontend? 15:24 – Panelist answers the guest’s question. 16:06 – The guest mentions Vue CLI 2 & 3. 18:31 – Chuck: Are you using the tool Istanbul? 18:36 – Guest: Yep Istanbul is the one! 18:54 – Chuck: I’ve heard some similar rumors, but can’t say. 19:02 – Panelist talks. 20:13 – Chuck: I have been working on a project and what doesn’t get test-coverage gets a candidate to get pulled-out. 20:40 – Guest: Talking about test-driven development... Guest: Have you read the original book? 21:02 – Guest: The book: “Effective Testing with RSpec 3” is updated information – check it out! The guest mentions his live stream on Friday’s. Check out the links found below! 23:57 – Panel: How is the stability with tests like Cypress with end-to-end tests? If you are testing with a login then the user has to be already created. Or what about a Twitter app – the user has to be created and not followed? How do you handle that? 24:22 – Guest: I think we are spoiled in the Rails world b/c of those... 24:53 – The guest answers the panelist’s question! 26:59 – Fresh Books! 28:07 – Guest: Does that help? 28:10 – Panel. 28:21 – Guest: I have been thinking about this, though, recently. Thinking about the contracts through the business. I have dabbled with native development and I see the cost that runs a native app. 30:21 – Panel: It’s refreshing to hear the new market’s demands. I truly haven’t seen an application that requires that. I have built some extensive applications and also very simple ones, too; the need for productivity. 31:17 – Guest mentions a talk at a conference. See here for that information! 31:43 – Guest: I have a friend who was a new developer and he really knows his stuff. He said that he didn’t know if he could be a full stack developer in the next 5-10 years. Wait a minute?! Guest: The freedom to create something that stands alone. Guest: Tom Dale is mentioned by the Guest. 33:35 – Panel: To choose Rails as a new developer (today) it’s not as easy as it was back in the day. Today you have Active Job, Action Cable and so many other components. It’s more complicated today then it was in the past. It could be overwhelming to a new developer. 35:00 – Chuck: I think a lot of that is the community’s fault and not Rails’ fault. 35:57 – Panel. 36:04 – Panel: The counter-argument could say that’s where server-less come in. 36:27 – Chuck: To some degree you can get away with it. You don’t have to worry about the infrastructure or anything else. 36:44 – Panel: Have you tried messing around with server-less functions with AWS? I have and...it’s not easy. There is not a good flow or good work flow in a server-less environment. 38:01 – Chuck: You can go to this website. It makes the setup easier b/c you are adding your Azure or AWS features. 38:30 – Panel: This topic, though, does tie back to the testing topic we were talking about earlier! 39:14 – Panel: Yeah that is why I haven’t gotten into server-less things. The Rails holistic approach is so appealing. 40:14 – Panel continues: I want to take smaller steps when it comes to technology! I want to move into things that we are laying down the tracks to make it easier travelable. That way we can consider the things we’ve learned in the past and help those in the future. 41:07 – Chuck: What are lacking then? What is the friction that is left? Seems like Cypress helped removed that but maybe not? 42:02 – Panelist mentions Cypress, Jest, Mocha, and others! 43:10 – Panel (continues): I am all about experimenting but I want to know all the reasons. What has changed and what hasn’t’ changed? 43:29 – Panel: There is an article written that talks about this topic. 43:59 – Guest mentions the video “Is TDD Dead?” (See links below.) 44:29 – Guest: I like brining thoughts together and taking his or her input and come up with my own thoughts. 46:32 – Guest (continues): The testing trophy is heavier on the top (picture of a trophy). Guest: I think the thing that draws me to unit testing is that... 47:37 – Guest: I am obsessed with testing. The guest gives a summary here! 48:15 – Chuck: We talked with Quincy Larson last week and it’s a really good take on what we are doing and what we are trying to accomplish with our tests. Check it out – it’s coming out soon! 49:05 – Panel: When you are younger into your career – the way you think about structuring your code – when you are comfortable you really don’t need that guidance. 50:00 – Guest: I would encourage folks who were new to coding to do the following... 51:36 – Guest: Think about WHY you are doing (what you are doing) and being able to articulate well what you are doing and why. 52:03 – Panel: There is no question – every time I test I am surprised how much it shapes my thinking about the code and how many bugs that I catch even in code that I thought was operating well. When you go too far though there is a fallacy there. 52:54 – Panel: Yes, testing is very important. I am a test-after-the-fact programmer. That is my self-key term. Don’t write 500-line methods b/c you won’t be able to test that. Don’t make it too abstract so have a common pattern that you will use. Have a lot of private methods that aren’t exposed to the API. 54:03 – Guest: Yes thinking about how to structure your code can be challenging at first but it gets easier. 55:58 – Chuck: I have had talks with Corey Haines about topics like this! 56:47 – Guest: Yes it can be helpful in consultancy now. 59:23 – Guest: Think about this: choosing what level to test at. 1:00:14 – Panel: It’s hard b/c it changes all the time per function or something else. There are tradeoffs with everything we do. 1:00:41 – Chuck: You are the consultant it depends doesn’t it? 1:00:51 – Picks! 1:00:55 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React VUE CLI 3 Jest.io Mocha.js GitHub: Istanbul The RSpec Book RR 068 Episode Ember CLI GitHub: Factory_Bot GitHub: VCR Big Nerd Ranch Big Nerd Ranch: Josh Justice / Team Manager The Bike Shed Keynote: Tom Dale @ EmberFest 2018 JSJ 291 Episode Serverless Article: Test-Induced Design Damage Video: Is TDD Dead? Music: Sub Conscious – Electronic / 2004 Music: Interloper / 2015 Disney Heroes: Battle Mode Google Play: Disney Heroes / Battle Mode Book Authoring Playlist Tom Dale’s Twitter Corey Haines’ Twitter Coding It Wrong Josh’s Twitter Josh’s GitHub Josh’s LinkedIn Josh’s Vimeo Video Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Nate Phutureprimitive - Sub Conscious Carbon Based Lifeforms - Interloper Dave Dust collections system in Wood Shop Doctor Who - Theme Music Charles Authoring music Disney Hero Battles Josh Effecting Testing with RSpec 3 Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Test XUnit Test Patterns Spectacle App Alfred App
Panel: Charles Max Wood In this episode, Chuck discusses his new podcast show titled the DevRev. Chuck also asks you very honest questions that will get you thinking; such as: What does freedom mean to you? How do you want your life and career to unfold? How can we (at the DevRev) help you with your career decisions? Check out today’s episode to hear about this and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:52 – Chuck: Welcome! The panel is myself! I had this idea bouncing in my head for a while and I got some verification while waiting for my guest and panelists to show up. The show that I am producing is called, DevRev and it’s based on developer freedom. 2:22 – Chuck: Some developers love to contribute to open source. Some developers say that they don’t get along with their boss or coworkers. Others will say that they aren’t learning and feel like they are falling behind. I am on the B team and want to be on the A team. It boils down to: are they getting the freedom to do what they want to do. 3:45 – Chuck: I haven’t been happier with my job since I’ve gone self-employed. Having a sense of freedom could have a different definition for you. Perhaps you are looking for time to go hiking, skiing, and so on. For you it could be programming is to help you with your hobbies. What kind of opportunities can YOU create for yourself in programming? 5:32 – Chuck: When I got into programming (at first) I didn’t have a real clear idea. My old boss would have these ideas and would change the day after our meeting, which was frustrating. Freedom could be things from the things that don’t make you happy. Maybe an office space for you doesn’t work for you. 6:41 – Chuck: 1.) Freedom in life to do what you want! 2.) Freedom in your career to elevate you where you want to be. Chuck: Freedom to pursue the things that I care about vs. not pursue the things I don’t care about. First of all how do we take care of the big things? How do we reach our long-term goals? Finally, how do we remove all of the other interrupts and optimize our experience day-to-day to achieve things we want to achieve? 8:48 – Chuck: I was talking with Chris and his ideas are centered on with helping the community. We talked about the things that hang him up, too? 9:26 – Chuck: “I am swamped at work – what do I do?” I want to help you solve your issues. What’s your idea of freedom? 10:15 – Chuck: How do you feel fulfilled? Let’s find you a place that will payoff for you. There are all kinds of ideas around this. That’s where I want to dive-into! 11:11 – Chuck: If there are any questions that you have in particular – shoot me a message! I will gladly answer your questions and check out TheDevRev.com! I have some friends who run a financial podcast – 2 Frugal Dudes. I want you to ask the questions that are irking you. 12:36 – Chuck: I feel like there are tons of opportunities for developers out there that we can help you find what’s a good place for you. Find what you want out your career and life – find something that will line-up for you. Even if you are trying to find your first job! There are a lot of options out there. I am putting the show out on YouTube and Facebook! END – Advertisement – Cache Fly! Links: Discord App Discord App – DevChat TV TheDevRev.com Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Charles zoom.us repurpose.io
Panel: Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Special Guest: Devon Estes In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Devon Estes who is a software developer who uses Elixir. He currently resides in Berlin, Germany and has been working there for the past four years. The panelists and the guest talk about Elixir, testing, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:49 – Chuck: I am starting a new show called The DevRev. Check it out here! Our special guest today is Devon Estes. Episode 18 is a past episode you’ve been on – check it out here! 1:26 – Devon: I am American but live in Berlin, Germany for about 4 years now. I was a freelancer, but now I am at a “real” job now where I am a software developer using Elixir. 1:50 – Chuck: Cool! 2:05 – Guest: Something to always talk about testing – it’s evergreen! 2:15 – Chuck: What are the benefits you get from testing and what is your approach? 2:24 – The guest answers the question. 3:53 – Panelist chimes in. 4:18 – Panel: I like playing around and I know when something is terrible. I have to poke around to figure out if I like it or not. I am an exploratory developer. I write a test and it looks great at first but the implementation is terrible or something. 5:54 – Mark comments on developers and how they interact with their code. 7:15 – Mark: How do you approach that? I heard you talking about tests, spikes and other things. 7:22 – Guest: If it is something that is small I will write the test first. If it’s larger I will usually do 2-3 spikes to figure out what is going on. The guest continues with this topic. 8:54 – Panel: I found that over the years I couldn’t do that. 9:21 – Guest: With the topic of testing in Elixir I have these “rules” but I break them all the time. Sometimes you get better, cleaner tests out of it if you were to break the rule(s.). Tests are only there for 90% of the time, in my own opinion. Sometimes you have to play around to see what’s going on. 10:36 – Panel: I agree a lot, especially with integrations. 10:49 – Guest. 12:18 – Panel: You have these guidelines or rules and you know when to break those rules. You talked about these specific rules and I thought it was interesting. I was reading through these and I have the same rules but you codified them with examples. Can you walk us through your guidelines? 13:00 – Guest: To be super clear I am talking about unit tests. When I think of testing there is this testing pyramid. 13:52 – Panel. 14:57 – Guest: Like I said, these rules are meant to be broken, if appropriate. 16:39 – Guest continues with unit testing and other types of testing. He talks about easier to more difficult kinds of tests. 17:42 – Guest (continues): Sometimes the tests are accurately true, and sometimes not. It can be easy to get into those traps. Hopefully they will tell you what is expected. 18:25 – Panel: In Ruby, there is a test that would modify your code and remove stuff? Was it Mutant? Mutant testing. 19:03 – Guest answers the question. 19:38 – Guest: I don’t know if Elixir has anything like that, yet, but it would be pretty cool. It would be a good idea for someone to take on! 20:00 – Chuck: I have had conversations with a colleague – they both pushed back and talked more about Cypress.io and integrated tests. 21:04 – Chuck: I think it’s interesting to see the different approaches! 21:14 – Guest: We are lucky to have great tooling in Elixir!! The guest mentions Wallaby.js! 24:39 – The guest talks about unit levels. Check it out here! 26:35 – Panel. 26:48 – Chuck: How does it affect my workflow? I like end-to-end tests. The efficiency, if it’s repeating stuff – I don’t care – as long as it’s fast enough. If it ruins my workflow then it’s a problem. 27:22 – Panel. 28:12 – The topic “test coverage” is mentioned by Chuck. 28:25 – Panel. 29:02 – FreshBooks! 30:10 – Guest talks about Wallaby.js. 32:24 – Panel: We’ve had you on before, and the idea is that you are all into Elixir and its path. (EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes) 32:57 – Guest: I think testing in Elixir is simpler. 34:04 – Panel. 34:07 – Guest: You have commands and you have queries. The guest gives a hypothetical example! The guest also mentions GenServers, too. 35:42 – Guest: There are two ways that you can interact with the process: command & queries. 37:00 – Guest talks about different libraries such as: MoX. 37:41 – Panel: Any tips on testing the servers; just any GenServer? 38:25 – Panelist shares his approach with this. 39:54 – Guest: I don’t test name servers b/c they are by definition global state. The guest goes into great detail about testing – check it out! 46:29 – Panel. 47:01 – Guest: I kind of hate the term dependency interjection in the functional context. 47:17 – Panel: I think it’s helpful, because... 47:28 – Guest. 47:49 – Panelists go back-and-forth! 48:20 – Panel: Sending a message to the testing process – this was something that was stated by Devon earlier. I find this really helpful. 49:00 – Chuck: Picks! 49:05 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Wallaby Cypress.io Mutation Testing – GitHub MoX MRS 003 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 295 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 330 – Episode with Devon Estes EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes Devon’s GitHub Devon’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Get Alias Blog - Mox Josh GitPitch.com Slide Deck by Josh Charles Values Extreme Ownership Sit down with your team Discord server for DevChat Recommendation Page for Elixir Devon Dell Laptop XPS 13 Play Station Mini Test - devonestes@gmail.com
Panel: Charles Max Wood In this episode, Chuck discusses his new podcast show titled the DevRev. Chuck also asks you very honest questions that will get you thinking; such as: What does freedom mean to you? How do you want your life and career to unfold? How can we (at the DevRev) help you with your career decisions? Check out today’s episode to hear about this and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:52 – Chuck: Welcome! The panel is myself! I had this idea bouncing in my head for a while and I got some verification while waiting for my guest and panelists to show up. The show that I am producing is called, DevRev and it’s based on developer freedom. 2:22 – Chuck: Some developers love to contribute to open source. Some developers say that they don’t get along with their boss or coworkers. Others will say that they aren’t learning and feel like they are falling behind. I am on the B team and want to be on the A team. It boils down to: are they getting the freedom to do what they want to do. 3:45 – Chuck: I haven’t been happier with my job since I’ve gone self-employed. Having a sense of freedom could have a different definition for you. Perhaps you are looking for time to go hiking, skiing, and so on. For you it could be programming is to help you with your hobbies. What kind of opportunities can YOU create for yourself in programming? 5:32 – Chuck: When I got into programming (at first) I didn’t have a real clear idea. My old boss would have these ideas and would change the day after our meeting, which was frustrating. Freedom could be things from the things that don’t make you happy. Maybe an office space for you doesn’t work for you. 6:41 – Chuck: 1.) Freedom in life to do what you want! 2.) Freedom in your career to elevate you where you want to be. Chuck: Freedom to pursue the things that I care about vs. not pursue the things I don’t care about. First of all how do we take care of the big things? How do we reach our long-term goals? Finally, how do we remove all of the other interrupts and optimize our experience day-to-day to achieve things we want to achieve? 8:48 – Chuck: I was talking with Chris and his ideas are centered on with helping the community. We talked about the things that hang him up, too? 9:26 – Chuck: “I am swamped at work – what do I do?” I want to help you solve your issues. What’s your idea of freedom? 10:15 – Chuck: How do you feel fulfilled? Let’s find you a place that will payoff for you. There are all kinds of ideas around this. That’s where I want to dive-into! 11:11 – Chuck: If there are any questions that you have in particular – shoot me a message! I will gladly answer your questions and check out TheDevRev.com! I have some friends who run a financial podcast – 2 Frugal Dudes. I want you to ask the questions that are irking you. 12:36 – Chuck: I feel like there are tons of opportunities for developers out there that we can help you find what’s a good place for you. Find what you want out your career and life – find something that will line-up for you. Even if you are trying to find your first job! There are a lot of options out there. I am putting the show out on YouTube and Facebook! END – Advertisement – Cache Fly! Links: Discord App Discord App – DevChat TV TheDevRev.com Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Charles zoom.us repurpose.io
Panel: Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Josh Justice In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Josh Justice who is a developer, writer, and speaker. Josh streams JavaScript and web development on Friday’s at 2:00 PM (ET) here! The panelists and the guest talk about Josh’s background and frontend testing in Ruby. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:04 – Chuck: Hi! Dave, Nate, and myself are on the panel and our special guest is Josh Justice! I am developing a show about developer freedom and it’s called The DevRev. It will be streamed through YouTube, and I will record Friday afternoons. Check out Facebook, too! 2:11 – Josh: Thanks! I am happy to be here! 2:18 – Chuck: Introduce yourself, please! 2:24 – Josh: I have been a developer for about 14 years. I have used PHP and then got into Ruby and then frontend development. 2:46 – Chuck: You work for Big Nerd Ranch in Atlanta? 2:56 – Josh: Yep for the last 3-4 years! 3:15 – Chuck: Can you introduce the topic? 3:25 – The guest talks about Big Nerd Ranch and frontend development. Learn TDD is mentioned, too! Check it out here! 5:06 – Panel: How much bouncing do you do between React and Vue? 5:11 – Guest. 5:47 – Chuck: We need to get you on our podcast shows for React and Vue! It’s an approach that I am familiar with in Ruby – and Selenium what a pain! 6:16 – Guest: I’ve had a good experience with Cypress, actually! 7:47 – Guest: Panelist, can you share your experiences? 7:57 – Panel: Not bad experiences with testing, but now I am trying to minimize my use with JavaScript. 8:30 – Guest: I think there is a big push towards considering more server site rendering. 9:35 – Panel: What’s your recommendation to setup Cypress? 9:40 – Guest: Their docs are really great! They had some conference talks on how to set it up! 10:15 – Guest: Check out my talks about this topic. (Connect Tech 2018). 10:29 – Panel: I think Cypress is a pretty cool solution but one thing that left me confused is that you have to have an environment that is already stood-up and running. Is that accurate or has that changed? 11:00 – Guest: Can you clarify what you mean by a “running environment”? 11:04 – Panelist clarifies. 11:44 – Guest: Luckily for me I have something to say b/c I tried a week ago! 12:01 – Guest mentions Vue CLI 3. 14:38 – Panel: How can you test your code coverage? I want to know how much of my code coverage am I hitting? The applications are up and running, it’s not going through the files (per se), and is there anything that would indicate how good your coverage is with the Cypress test? 15:10 – Guest: Let me as a follow-up question: How do you approach it on the frontend? 15:24 – Panelist answers the guest’s question. 16:06 – The guest mentions Vue CLI 2 & 3. 18:31 – Chuck: Are you using the tool Istanbul? 18:36 – Guest: Yep Istanbul is the one! 18:54 – Chuck: I’ve heard some similar rumors, but can’t say. 19:02 – Panelist talks. 20:13 – Chuck: I have been working on a project and what doesn’t get test-coverage gets a candidate to get pulled-out. 20:40 – Guest: Talking about test-driven development... Guest: Have you read the original book? 21:02 – Guest: The book: “Effective Testing with RSpec 3” is updated information – check it out! The guest mentions his live stream on Friday’s. Check out the links found below! 23:57 – Panel: How is the stability with tests like Cypress with end-to-end tests? If you are testing with a login then the user has to be already created. Or what about a Twitter app – the user has to be created and not followed? How do you handle that? 24:22 – Guest: I think we are spoiled in the Rails world b/c of those... 24:53 – The guest answers the panelist’s question! 26:59 – Fresh Books! 28:07 – Guest: Does that help? 28:10 – Panel. 28:21 – Guest: I have been thinking about this, though, recently. Thinking about the contracts through the business. I have dabbled with native development and I see the cost that runs a native app. 30:21 – Panel: It’s refreshing to hear the new market’s demands. I truly haven’t seen an application that requires that. I have built some extensive applications and also very simple ones, too; the need for productivity. 31:17 – Guest mentions a talk at a conference. See here for that information! 31:43 – Guest: I have a friend who was a new developer and he really knows his stuff. He said that he didn’t know if he could be a full stack developer in the next 5-10 years. Wait a minute?! Guest: The freedom to create something that stands alone. Guest: Tom Dale is mentioned by the Guest. 33:35 – Panel: To choose Rails as a new developer (today) it’s not as easy as it was back in the day. Today you have Active Job, Action Cable and so many other components. It’s more complicated today then it was in the past. It could be overwhelming to a new developer. 35:00 – Chuck: I think a lot of that is the community’s fault and not Rails’ fault. 35:57 – Panel. 36:04 – Panel: The counter-argument could say that’s where server-less come in. 36:27 – Chuck: To some degree you can get away with it. You don’t have to worry about the infrastructure or anything else. 36:44 – Panel: Have you tried messing around with server-less functions with AWS? I have and...it’s not easy. There is not a good flow or good work flow in a server-less environment. 38:01 – Chuck: You can go to this website. It makes the setup easier b/c you are adding your Azure or AWS features. 38:30 – Panel: This topic, though, does tie back to the testing topic we were talking about earlier! 39:14 – Panel: Yeah that is why I haven’t gotten into server-less things. The Rails holistic approach is so appealing. 40:14 – Panel continues: I want to take smaller steps when it comes to technology! I want to move into things that we are laying down the tracks to make it easier travelable. That way we can consider the things we’ve learned in the past and help those in the future. 41:07 – Chuck: What are lacking then? What is the friction that is left? Seems like Cypress helped removed that but maybe not? 42:02 – Panelist mentions Cypress, Jest, Mocha, and others! 43:10 – Panel (continues): I am all about experimenting but I want to know all the reasons. What has changed and what hasn’t’ changed? 43:29 – Panel: There is an article written that talks about this topic. 43:59 – Guest mentions the video “Is TDD Dead?” (See links below.) 44:29 – Guest: I like brining thoughts together and taking his or her input and come up with my own thoughts. 46:32 – Guest (continues): The testing trophy is heavier on the top (picture of a trophy). Guest: I think the thing that draws me to unit testing is that... 47:37 – Guest: I am obsessed with testing. The guest gives a summary here! 48:15 – Chuck: We talked with Quincy Larson last week and it’s a really good take on what we are doing and what we are trying to accomplish with our tests. Check it out – it’s coming out soon! 49:05 – Panel: When you are younger into your career – the way you think about structuring your code – when you are comfortable you really don’t need that guidance. 50:00 – Guest: I would encourage folks who were new to coding to do the following... 51:36 – Guest: Think about WHY you are doing (what you are doing) and being able to articulate well what you are doing and why. 52:03 – Panel: There is no question – every time I test I am surprised how much it shapes my thinking about the code and how many bugs that I catch even in code that I thought was operating well. When you go too far though there is a fallacy there. 52:54 – Panel: Yes, testing is very important. I am a test-after-the-fact programmer. That is my self-key term. Don’t write 500-line methods b/c you won’t be able to test that. Don’t make it too abstract so have a common pattern that you will use. Have a lot of private methods that aren’t exposed to the API. 54:03 – Guest: Yes thinking about how to structure your code can be challenging at first but it gets easier. 55:58 – Chuck: I have had talks with Corey Haines about topics like this! 56:47 – Guest: Yes it can be helpful in consultancy now. 59:23 – Guest: Think about this: choosing what level to test at. 1:00:14 – Panel: It’s hard b/c it changes all the time per function or something else. There are tradeoffs with everything we do. 1:00:41 – Chuck: You are the consultant it depends doesn’t it? 1:00:51 – Picks! 1:00:55 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React VUE CLI 3 Jest.io Mocha.js GitHub: Istanbul The RSpec Book RR 068 Episode Ember CLI GitHub: Factory_Bot GitHub: VCR Big Nerd Ranch Big Nerd Ranch: Josh Justice / Team Manager The Bike Shed Keynote: Tom Dale @ EmberFest 2018 JSJ 291 Episode Serverless Article: Test-Induced Design Damage Video: Is TDD Dead? Music: Sub Conscious – Electronic / 2004 Music: Interloper / 2015 Disney Heroes: Battle Mode Google Play: Disney Heroes / Battle Mode Book Authoring Playlist Tom Dale’s Twitter Corey Haines’ Twitter Coding It Wrong Josh’s Twitter Josh’s GitHub Josh’s LinkedIn Josh’s Vimeo Video Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Nate Phutureprimitive - Sub Conscious Carbon Based Lifeforms - Interloper Dave Dust collections system in Wood Shop Doctor Who - Theme Music Charles Authoring music Disney Hero Battles Josh Effecting Testing with RSpec 3 Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Test XUnit Test Patterns Spectacle App Alfred App
Panel: Dave Kimura Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Pedro Cavalheiro In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Pedro Cavalheiro who is from Brazil, but currently resides in Hamburg, Germany where he works at Xing. He is a software engineer, an actor, and has been working with the web since 2010. He has worked mostly with Ruby and PHP languages, and since 2015 has worked full-time with Ruby on Rails. The panelists and Pedro talk about his background and his article. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:04 – Chuck: Hi! Panel is Eric, Dave, Nate, myself – and our special guest is Pedro Cavalheiro! Please introduce yourself! Is that Spanish or Portuguese? Chuck: P.S. – The DevRev is my new show and check it! 1:57 – Guest: My name means gentleman! Here at your service. 2:05 – Guest: I am a developer and worked with web technologies for 10 years. I do some DevOps stuff and working with Ruby. I just moved to Hamburg, Germany with the same company. 3:02 – Chuck: How do you make that decision? 3:07 – Guest: There is no magical answer. It depends on your needs and what time you have? At the time when I wrote that article I worked with a small startup company. For us, we used Heroku at the time. 4:09 – Guest: Current company is bigger and 500 developers. We have different ops teams and they have their own infrastructure and tools. They have more money, time, and people. For what they need it needs to be more scalable. It depends on the company and the requirements and your resources. 5:00 – Panel: I need to preface first: I love hosted solutions, but at the same time there is a hidden cost set that people don’t think about. 6:16 – Guest: If you compare your own infrastructure vs. cloud platform they will think that it is cheaper than having a hosted solution. 7:28 – Chuck: Yeah, that’s a discussion that I find that I have with myself and with my own company. It makes a ton of sense to have some system setup and it’s something that I am managing. 8:05 – Panelists talks about AWS and AMI. 9:06 – Guest. 9:21 – Panel: Can you talk about the article you wrote? Why did you write it? Give us some context into the article and where are we now? 9:48 – Guest talks in-detail about his article and where he was in life when he wrote this article! 14:10 – Panel: How much time did you invest into that? 14:16 – Guest: Less than a week; maybe 3-4 days for the whole process. Writing the article took about 2 days. 14:50 – Chuck talks about Docker, Azure, Dokku among other things. Question: Where do you look at all of these different things, and how do evaluate? 16:02 – Guest: I am a huge Heroku fan, and I would suggest people to use it. It’s brilliant. The company I work today it could be expensive to use b/c it’s a heavy load application and it won’t work. As for me (personal projects) I will play around these different tools. 19:02 – Panel: It’s easy to get up and running of Heroku. I think it’s similar to Kubernetes. 20:00 – Guest: I agree with that. The guest shares a story that relates to this topic. 21:45 – Panel: If you are using self-hosted...put some security on your application. Even if it’s just a demo you are protecting your environment. 22:17 – Chuck: Where do you guys come down on making these types of decisions? 22:30 – Panel: I see it as an investment; especially if your development team is small. Eventually, it will scale but in the early days of a project it is a legit choice to use Heroku or Beanstalk. CodeFund is still on Heroku. Right now it’s solving those problems for us. 23:45 – Chuck: Look at everything that we are all running. What do you guys recommend? 24:19 – Panel: I use S3, elastic search, among other things. 25:56 – Guest: I have a similar story. I had some friends who were spending more than $2,000 a month on Heroku. We tried to find how to reduce the amount of money. We removed the application from the Heroku and put it inside a local machine (probably $800 computer) that runs 24/7 and the only expenses were Internet ($50.00 / month) and 1 SSD ($100) and 1 micro-server through Amazon. Now it works and we were spending over 200x the amount that we needed to. In this example it wasn’t a critical system. In this case self-host was far better and cheaper, so it really depends on your case. 28:08 – Panel: Yeah, sometimes the old school and simple solutions are it. 28:26 – Chuck: I have a virtual machine/servers on Digital Ocean, and I cap deploy. I will login in every-now-and-then, but that’s it. 28:50 – Panel adds in his comments to this topic. 29:17 – Guest: Sometimes these old school solutions tend to be slower, but it depends on what you need for that situation. 29:50 – Chuck: David Brady called that his “Time to Twitter.” 30:04 – Fresh Books! 31:10 – Chuck: Can you talk about your discussion about this, please? 31:23 – Guest: I wrote this article, and it was translated into a few different languages. In the talk that I gave, I talked about my article. It’s funny b/c I wasn’t expecting all of this attention. 33:33 – Guest: I was nervous when I gave the talk so I don’t think it was that good. (Laughs.) 33:50 – Guest: We are human beings and we are always making mistakes, which is okay. 36:55 – Chuck: Yeah I run into that, too. Especially when running the podcast. 37:14 – Guest: That’s apart of the game right? We like to play with new technologies and if it weren’t for experimenting with new stuff our whole industry wouldn’t be as fun. We have the freedom to test, and we get to break tings and not get fired. That’s apart of our jobs. 37:51 – Panel: That’s a good point. A service like beanstalk or Heroku it’s easy to push your app out into the world. But when you dig in deeper, I think that knowledge really starts to seep in and you get to be a better developer. 38:27 – Chuck comments on this topic. 39:12 – Panel: To Pedro’s point... 39:42 – Guest: Yes, we work as a frontend or backend developer or a system administrator, but we need to understand the infrastructure. I want to know and when I know more then my work as a backend developer will improve and communicate with the system. That people know how to use Ruby on Rails and they get used to it but forget about database behind that, and...where you can write your own inquires. They think it’s not their job, but it IS their job. 41:17 – Chuck: To take that step one step further. Chuck talks about performance issues, codes, and more. 41:48 – Chuck: I want to try out Dokku! 42:00 – Guest comments. 43:53 – Chuck: Let’s do Picks! 44:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Ruby on Rails Angular React React Native Docker Kubernetes Heroku Beanstalk CodeFund Amazon S3 GitHub: Kubernetes IMDB – Pedro C. FB: RR – DevChat TV RR 382 Episode Pedro’s blog article: “Creating a Heroku-Like Deployment Solution with Docker” Comic of Code Compiling GitHub: Dokku/Dokku Digital Ocean: Dokku Digital Ocean: Cloud Hosting App Developers Love Pedro’s Website Pedro’s Twitter Pedro’s Crunchbase Pedro’s GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Legos Rubix’s Cube Eric Digital Ocean @samantha_tse @jna_sh @Zaltsman Nate Alone - History Channel Charles MF CEO - Podcast Extreme Ownership - Book Drip TheDevRev.com Pedro Di.FM Shortcut Foo
Panel: Dave Kimura Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Pedro Cavalheiro In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Pedro Cavalheiro who is from Brazil, but currently resides in Hamburg, Germany where he works at Xing. He is a software engineer, an actor, and has been working with the web since 2010. He has worked mostly with Ruby and PHP languages, and since 2015 has worked full-time with Ruby on Rails. The panelists and Pedro talk about his background and his article. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:04 – Chuck: Hi! Panel is Eric, Dave, Nate, myself – and our special guest is Pedro Cavalheiro! Please introduce yourself! Is that Spanish or Portuguese? Chuck: P.S. – The DevRev is my new show and check it! 1:57 – Guest: My name means gentleman! Here at your service. 2:05 – Guest: I am a developer and worked with web technologies for 10 years. I do some DevOps stuff and working with Ruby. I just moved to Hamburg, Germany with the same company. 3:02 – Chuck: How do you make that decision? 3:07 – Guest: There is no magical answer. It depends on your needs and what time you have? At the time when I wrote that article I worked with a small startup company. For us, we used Heroku at the time. 4:09 – Guest: Current company is bigger and 500 developers. We have different ops teams and they have their own infrastructure and tools. They have more money, time, and people. For what they need it needs to be more scalable. It depends on the company and the requirements and your resources. 5:00 – Panel: I need to preface first: I love hosted solutions, but at the same time there is a hidden cost set that people don’t think about. 6:16 – Guest: If you compare your own infrastructure vs. cloud platform they will think that it is cheaper than having a hosted solution. 7:28 – Chuck: Yeah, that’s a discussion that I find that I have with myself and with my own company. It makes a ton of sense to have some system setup and it’s something that I am managing. 8:05 – Panelists talks about AWS and AMI. 9:06 – Guest. 9:21 – Panel: Can you talk about the article you wrote? Why did you write it? Give us some context into the article and where are we now? 9:48 – Guest talks in-detail about his article and where he was in life when he wrote this article! 14:10 – Panel: How much time did you invest into that? 14:16 – Guest: Less than a week; maybe 3-4 days for the whole process. Writing the article took about 2 days. 14:50 – Chuck talks about Docker, Azure, Dokku among other things. Question: Where do you look at all of these different things, and how do evaluate? 16:02 – Guest: I am a huge Heroku fan, and I would suggest people to use it. It’s brilliant. The company I work today it could be expensive to use b/c it’s a heavy load application and it won’t work. As for me (personal projects) I will play around these different tools. 19:02 – Panel: It’s easy to get up and running of Heroku. I think it’s similar to Kubernetes. 20:00 – Guest: I agree with that. The guest shares a story that relates to this topic. 21:45 – Panel: If you are using self-hosted...put some security on your application. Even if it’s just a demo you are protecting your environment. 22:17 – Chuck: Where do you guys come down on making these types of decisions? 22:30 – Panel: I see it as an investment; especially if your development team is small. Eventually, it will scale but in the early days of a project it is a legit choice to use Heroku or Beanstalk. CodeFund is still on Heroku. Right now it’s solving those problems for us. 23:45 – Chuck: Look at everything that we are all running. What do you guys recommend? 24:19 – Panel: I use S3, elastic search, among other things. 25:56 – Guest: I have a similar story. I had some friends who were spending more than $2,000 a month on Heroku. We tried to find how to reduce the amount of money. We removed the application from the Heroku and put it inside a local machine (probably $800 computer) that runs 24/7 and the only expenses were Internet ($50.00 / month) and 1 SSD ($100) and 1 micro-server through Amazon. Now it works and we were spending over 200x the amount that we needed to. In this example it wasn’t a critical system. In this case self-host was far better and cheaper, so it really depends on your case. 28:08 – Panel: Yeah, sometimes the old school and simple solutions are it. 28:26 – Chuck: I have a virtual machine/servers on Digital Ocean, and I cap deploy. I will login in every-now-and-then, but that’s it. 28:50 – Panel adds in his comments to this topic. 29:17 – Guest: Sometimes these old school solutions tend to be slower, but it depends on what you need for that situation. 29:50 – Chuck: David Brady called that his “Time to Twitter.” 30:04 – Fresh Books! 31:10 – Chuck: Can you talk about your discussion about this, please? 31:23 – Guest: I wrote this article, and it was translated into a few different languages. In the talk that I gave, I talked about my article. It’s funny b/c I wasn’t expecting all of this attention. 33:33 – Guest: I was nervous when I gave the talk so I don’t think it was that good. (Laughs.) 33:50 – Guest: We are human beings and we are always making mistakes, which is okay. 36:55 – Chuck: Yeah I run into that, too. Especially when running the podcast. 37:14 – Guest: That’s apart of the game right? We like to play with new technologies and if it weren’t for experimenting with new stuff our whole industry wouldn’t be as fun. We have the freedom to test, and we get to break tings and not get fired. That’s apart of our jobs. 37:51 – Panel: That’s a good point. A service like beanstalk or Heroku it’s easy to push your app out into the world. But when you dig in deeper, I think that knowledge really starts to seep in and you get to be a better developer. 38:27 – Chuck comments on this topic. 39:12 – Panel: To Pedro’s point... 39:42 – Guest: Yes, we work as a frontend or backend developer or a system administrator, but we need to understand the infrastructure. I want to know and when I know more then my work as a backend developer will improve and communicate with the system. That people know how to use Ruby on Rails and they get used to it but forget about database behind that, and...where you can write your own inquires. They think it’s not their job, but it IS their job. 41:17 – Chuck: To take that step one step further. Chuck talks about performance issues, codes, and more. 41:48 – Chuck: I want to try out Dokku! 42:00 – Guest comments. 43:53 – Chuck: Let’s do Picks! 44:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Ruby on Rails Angular React React Native Docker Kubernetes Heroku Beanstalk CodeFund Amazon S3 GitHub: Kubernetes IMDB – Pedro C. FB: RR – DevChat TV RR 382 Episode Pedro’s blog article: “Creating a Heroku-Like Deployment Solution with Docker” Comic of Code Compiling GitHub: Dokku/Dokku Digital Ocean: Dokku Digital Ocean: Cloud Hosting App Developers Love Pedro’s Website Pedro’s Twitter Pedro’s Crunchbase Pedro’s GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Legos Rubix’s Cube Eric Digital Ocean @samantha_tse @jna_sh @Zaltsman Nate Alone - History Channel Charles MF CEO - Podcast Extreme Ownership - Book Drip TheDevRev.com Pedro Di.FM Shortcut Foo
Panel: Dave Kimura Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Pedro Cavalheiro In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Pedro Cavalheiro who is from Brazil, but currently resides in Hamburg, Germany where he works at Xing. He is a software engineer, an actor, and has been working with the web since 2010. He has worked mostly with Ruby and PHP languages, and since 2015 has worked full-time with Ruby on Rails. The panelists and Pedro talk about his background and his article. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:04 – Chuck: Hi! Panel is Eric, Dave, Nate, myself – and our special guest is Pedro Cavalheiro! Please introduce yourself! Is that Spanish or Portuguese? Chuck: P.S. – The DevRev is my new show and check it! 1:57 – Guest: My name means gentleman! Here at your service. 2:05 – Guest: I am a developer and worked with web technologies for 10 years. I do some DevOps stuff and working with Ruby. I just moved to Hamburg, Germany with the same company. 3:02 – Chuck: How do you make that decision? 3:07 – Guest: There is no magical answer. It depends on your needs and what time you have? At the time when I wrote that article I worked with a small startup company. For us, we used Heroku at the time. 4:09 – Guest: Current company is bigger and 500 developers. We have different ops teams and they have their own infrastructure and tools. They have more money, time, and people. For what they need it needs to be more scalable. It depends on the company and the requirements and your resources. 5:00 – Panel: I need to preface first: I love hosted solutions, but at the same time there is a hidden cost set that people don’t think about. 6:16 – Guest: If you compare your own infrastructure vs. cloud platform they will think that it is cheaper than having a hosted solution. 7:28 – Chuck: Yeah, that’s a discussion that I find that I have with myself and with my own company. It makes a ton of sense to have some system setup and it’s something that I am managing. 8:05 – Panelists talks about AWS and AMI. 9:06 – Guest. 9:21 – Panel: Can you talk about the article you wrote? Why did you write it? Give us some context into the article and where are we now? 9:48 – Guest talks in-detail about his article and where he was in life when he wrote this article! 14:10 – Panel: How much time did you invest into that? 14:16 – Guest: Less than a week; maybe 3-4 days for the whole process. Writing the article took about 2 days. 14:50 – Chuck talks about Docker, Azure, Dokku among other things. Question: Where do you look at all of these different things, and how do evaluate? 16:02 – Guest: I am a huge Heroku fan, and I would suggest people to use it. It’s brilliant. The company I work today it could be expensive to use b/c it’s a heavy load application and it won’t work. As for me (personal projects) I will play around these different tools. 19:02 – Panel: It’s easy to get up and running of Heroku. I think it’s similar to Kubernetes. 20:00 – Guest: I agree with that. The guest shares a story that relates to this topic. 21:45 – Panel: If you are using self-hosted...put some security on your application. Even if it’s just a demo you are protecting your environment. 22:17 – Chuck: Where do you guys come down on making these types of decisions? 22:30 – Panel: I see it as an investment; especially if your development team is small. Eventually, it will scale but in the early days of a project it is a legit choice to use Heroku or Beanstalk. CodeFund is still on Heroku. Right now it’s solving those problems for us. 23:45 – Chuck: Look at everything that we are all running. What do you guys recommend? 24:19 – Panel: I use S3, elastic search, among other things. 25:56 – Guest: I have a similar story. I had some friends who were spending more than $2,000 a month on Heroku. We tried to find how to reduce the amount of money. We removed the application from the Heroku and put it inside a local machine (probably $800 computer) that runs 24/7 and the only expenses were Internet ($50.00 / month) and 1 SSD ($100) and 1 micro-server through Amazon. Now it works and we were spending over 200x the amount that we needed to. In this example it wasn’t a critical system. In this case self-host was far better and cheaper, so it really depends on your case. 28:08 – Panel: Yeah, sometimes the old school and simple solutions are it. 28:26 – Chuck: I have a virtual machine/servers on Digital Ocean, and I cap deploy. I will login in every-now-and-then, but that’s it. 28:50 – Panel adds in his comments to this topic. 29:17 – Guest: Sometimes these old school solutions tend to be slower, but it depends on what you need for that situation. 29:50 – Chuck: David Brady called that his “Time to Twitter.” 30:04 – Fresh Books! 31:10 – Chuck: Can you talk about your discussion about this, please? 31:23 – Guest: I wrote this article, and it was translated into a few different languages. In the talk that I gave, I talked about my article. It’s funny b/c I wasn’t expecting all of this attention. 33:33 – Guest: I was nervous when I gave the talk so I don’t think it was that good. (Laughs.) 33:50 – Guest: We are human beings and we are always making mistakes, which is okay. 36:55 – Chuck: Yeah I run into that, too. Especially when running the podcast. 37:14 – Guest: That’s apart of the game right? We like to play with new technologies and if it weren’t for experimenting with new stuff our whole industry wouldn’t be as fun. We have the freedom to test, and we get to break tings and not get fired. That’s apart of our jobs. 37:51 – Panel: That’s a good point. A service like beanstalk or Heroku it’s easy to push your app out into the world. But when you dig in deeper, I think that knowledge really starts to seep in and you get to be a better developer. 38:27 – Chuck comments on this topic. 39:12 – Panel: To Pedro’s point... 39:42 – Guest: Yes, we work as a frontend or backend developer or a system administrator, but we need to understand the infrastructure. I want to know and when I know more then my work as a backend developer will improve and communicate with the system. That people know how to use Ruby on Rails and they get used to it but forget about database behind that, and...where you can write your own inquires. They think it’s not their job, but it IS their job. 41:17 – Chuck: To take that step one step further. Chuck talks about performance issues, codes, and more. 41:48 – Chuck: I want to try out Dokku! 42:00 – Guest comments. 43:53 – Chuck: Let’s do Picks! 44:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Ruby on Rails Angular React React Native Docker Kubernetes Heroku Beanstalk CodeFund Amazon S3 GitHub: Kubernetes IMDB – Pedro C. FB: RR – DevChat TV RR 382 Episode Pedro’s blog article: “Creating a Heroku-Like Deployment Solution with Docker” Comic of Code Compiling GitHub: Dokku/Dokku Digital Ocean: Dokku Digital Ocean: Cloud Hosting App Developers Love Pedro’s Website Pedro’s Twitter Pedro’s Crunchbase Pedro’s GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Legos Rubix’s Cube Eric Digital Ocean @samantha_tse @jna_sh @Zaltsman Nate Alone - History Channel Charles MF CEO - Podcast Extreme Ownership - Book Drip TheDevRev.com Pedro Di.FM Shortcut Foo
Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Bonnie Brennan This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Bonnie Brennan who is in web technologies and uses Angular. She currently resides in Houston, Texas and Chuck and her discuss her background, past and current projects, ngHouston Meetup, and much more! Check-out today’s episode! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:00 – Chuck: We’ve talked with you in the past, Bonnie. So listeners, check-out those past episodes if you are interested (see links below). There were various topics that we discussed. It’s been a few months since we’ve talked. Tell us how you got into Angular among other things? 1:50 – Guest. 3:19 – Chuck: I want to get a feel for how you got into programming, so tell us about that. 3:40 – Guest: I didn’t start coding until my 30’s. 3:50 – Chuck: Here is a dirty little secret: most people get into coding later in life. 4:25 – Guest. 25:07 – Chuck: Let’s get back on track - How did you get into Angular? 25:10 – Guest. 32:26 – Chuck: I completely agree. As you’ve gone into Angular you’ve done things in the community that makes you well-known. We’ve talked with your child-component, and how she got into coding. Listen back to that. You mentioned NG Houston, how did you get that going? 32:56 – Guest: I was here in Houston... 39:26 – Chuck: I want to change topics here. You mentioned in your consulting that people are running into certain issues. Most consultants that I know, they make a plan and they just build stuff. Seems like you are talking with them and showing them how to make things work better. 39:54 – Guest. 45:11 – Chuck: I have been a freelancer, and how do people hire you? 45:23 – Guest: Twitter is the best way to reach out to me, also my e-mail. 46:59 – Chuck: You have been a GD – how has that been? 47:10 – Guest: I actually love it! GOOGLE DEVELOPER EXPERT = GDE. 49:07 – Chuck: You had a unique experience at the last Summit. Can you talk about that for a minute? 49:17 – Guest. 59:17 – Chuck: We are at the end of our time. Where can people find you? 59:30 – Guest: The YouTube Channel and Twitter. 1:00:54 – Chuck: Let’s do some picks! 1:01:00 – Fresh Books! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue Chuck’s Twitter Chuck’s E-mail: chuck@devchat.tv Scott Moss’ Twitter Bonnie’s Twitter Bonnie’s GD ngHouston AiA 184 show AiA 146 show MAS 042 show with Sam Brennan Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Charles Sasqwatch is Real New Show – The DevRev DevChat.Tv Bonnie Blog – ThoughtRam Angular In-Depth NG Houston Angular for the Visual Learner
Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Bonnie Brennan This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Bonnie Brennan who is in web technologies and uses Angular. She currently resides in Houston, Texas and Chuck and her discuss her background, past and current projects, ngHouston Meetup, and much more! Check-out today’s episode! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:00 – Chuck: We’ve talked with you in the past, Bonnie. So listeners, check-out those past episodes if you are interested (see links below). There were various topics that we discussed. It’s been a few months since we’ve talked. Tell us how you got into Angular among other things? 1:50 – Guest. 3:19 – Chuck: I want to get a feel for how you got into programming, so tell us about that. 3:40 – Guest: I didn’t start coding until my 30’s. 3:50 – Chuck: Here is a dirty little secret: most people get into coding later in life. 4:25 – Guest. 25:07 – Chuck: Let’s get back on track - How did you get into Angular? 25:10 – Guest. 32:26 – Chuck: I completely agree. As you’ve gone into Angular you’ve done things in the community that makes you well-known. We’ve talked with your child-component, and how she got into coding. Listen back to that. You mentioned NG Houston, how did you get that going? 32:56 – Guest: I was here in Houston... 39:26 – Chuck: I want to change topics here. You mentioned in your consulting that people are running into certain issues. Most consultants that I know, they make a plan and they just build stuff. Seems like you are talking with them and showing them how to make things work better. 39:54 – Guest. 45:11 – Chuck: I have been a freelancer, and how do people hire you? 45:23 – Guest: Twitter is the best way to reach out to me, also my e-mail. 46:59 – Chuck: You have been a GD – how has that been? 47:10 – Guest: I actually love it! GOOGLE DEVELOPER EXPERT = GDE. 49:07 – Chuck: You had a unique experience at the last Summit. Can you talk about that for a minute? 49:17 – Guest. 59:17 – Chuck: We are at the end of our time. Where can people find you? 59:30 – Guest: The YouTube Channel and Twitter. 1:00:54 – Chuck: Let’s do some picks! 1:01:00 – Fresh Books! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue Chuck’s Twitter Chuck’s E-mail: chuck@devchat.tv Scott Moss’ Twitter Bonnie’s Twitter Bonnie’s GD ngHouston AiA 184 show AiA 146 show MAS 042 show with Sam Brennan Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Charles Sasqwatch is Real New Show – The DevRev DevChat.Tv Bonnie Blog – ThoughtRam Angular In-Depth NG Houston Angular for the Visual Learner
0:15 We’re Live! John mentions having to hop off soon. John mentions that Josh is not on the podcast because he was not happy with the result they have been getting with the membership drive. John sarcastically says people don’t want him back because no one is signing up for memberships. 3:10 John talks about kicking some ass as he is back to work. John gives a rundown on the things he has accomplished over the week. Mostly get stuff ready for the Bulldog Mindset materials. John says Bulldog Mindset is looking good. Also some good numbers on the quiz. 7:25 Chuck asks about launching content under the Bulldog Mindset brand. John talks about reopening the Simple Programmer website and other things that allow them to market the new products and services. John talks about hiring a pixel artist to create emojis and badges for the members. John talks about waiting on the new podcast to get approved and the ACX book. 10:00 Mani shares that he was working on automation and clean up things. Chuck shares how he is working with Zapier and other tools. Mani asks about Chucks email list. Chuck talks about setting up and figuring out what to do for his lead magnets. Chuck and John talk about the Affiliate Gauntlet. Mani and Chuck talk about selling products to his list. 15:00 Mani suggests using his list to sell products. John asks about the size of Chuck’s email list. John further explains the Affiliate Gauntlet. Chuck says he hired a developer to help build out Podwrench, to speed up the process. Chuck share his ideas about a course to teach people to get started with Rails. Chuck talks about creating a program along the lines of Developer Freedom. 22:00 Chuck talk about creating a subscription program that will teach developer to get into Developer Freedom. John says these ideas might be another brand and business. Chuck says all these plans are going to go under the DevRev brand. John says that Chuck needs to get the podcast production to run without him. Chuck talks about hiring someone to sell Podwrench once it is done. 25:00 Chuck talks about freeing things up so he can focus on Podwrench. Chuck says is a very excited about his work so far. Mani asks why he is excited about the new found excitement. John says since he has made the jump to get back to work he is excited too. John shares that he is reading the book “How to Kill a Hydra.” 30:00 John continues to talk about the proving yourself phase that he learn from the book. Chuck talks about how he has changed and how the things he wants has now changed. Mani continues with mocking around with the Automation topic. John talks about tweaking things and how he does things one YouTube to increase in other areas. Small tweaks everywhere leads to Huge impacts. 37:00 Mani and John talk about the effectiveness of emails and data to capture more values. Mani says email automation is the big scary monster. Johns says some of the most profitable things he has ever done, he did in an afternoon. 42:00 Mani talks about those who write a new email sequence every time. John says it is dumb blind persistence. John talk about the biggest losers in life are the people in the Menza Meetings. They don’t apply themselves, John says. 46:00 Mani says when you start to expect things to get easier, you are fucked. John says that 10X Rule is a good book. More talks about automation. Thoughts for the Week! Mani - Expect it to be 10X harder John - Find evidence of why you suck and not a badass Chuck - Figure out why you are doing it
Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Bonnie Brennan This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Bonnie Brennan who is in web technologies and uses Angular. She currently resides in Houston, Texas and Chuck and her discuss her background, past and current projects, ngHouston Meetup, and much more! Check-out today’s episode! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:00 – Chuck: We’ve talked with you in the past, Bonnie. So listeners, check-out those past episodes if you are interested (see links below). There were various topics that we discussed. It’s been a few months since we’ve talked. Tell us how you got into Angular among other things? 1:50 – Guest. 3:19 – Chuck: I want to get a feel for how you got into programming, so tell us about that. 3:40 – Guest: I didn’t start coding until my 30’s. 3:50 – Chuck: Here is a dirty little secret: most people get into coding later in life. 4:25 – Guest. 25:07 – Chuck: Let’s get back on track - How did you get into Angular? 25:10 – Guest. 32:26 – Chuck: I completely agree. As you’ve gone into Angular you’ve done things in the community that makes you well-known. We’ve talked with your child-component, and how she got into coding. Listen back to that. You mentioned NG Houston, how did you get that going? 32:56 – Guest: I was here in Houston... 39:26 – Chuck: I want to change topics here. You mentioned in your consulting that people are running into certain issues. Most consultants that I know, they make a plan and they just build stuff. Seems like you are talking with them and showing them how to make things work better. 39:54 – Guest. 45:11 – Chuck: I have been a freelancer, and how do people hire you? 45:23 – Guest: Twitter is the best way to reach out to me, also my e-mail. 46:59 – Chuck: You have been a GD – how has that been? 47:10 – Guest: I actually love it! GOOGLE DEVELOPER EXPERT = GDE. 49:07 – Chuck: You had a unique experience at the last Summit. Can you talk about that for a minute? 49:17 – Guest. 59:17 – Chuck: We are at the end of our time. Where can people find you? 59:30 – Guest: The YouTube Channel and Twitter. 1:00:54 – Chuck: Let’s do some picks! 1:01:00 – Fresh Books! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue Chuck’s Twitter Chuck’s E-mail: chuck@devchat.tv Scott Moss’ Twitter Bonnie’s Twitter Bonnie’s GD ngHouston AiA 184 show AiA 146 show MAS 042 show with Sam Brennan Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Charles Sasqwatch is Real New Show – The DevRev DevChat.Tv Bonnie Blog – ThoughtRam Angular In-Depth NG Houston Angular for the Visual Learner
➡️ Like The Podcast? Leave A Rating: https://ratethispodcast.com/successstory➡️ Join 321,000 people who read my free weekly newsletter: https://newsletter.scottdclary.com➡️ About The GuestDheeraj Pandey is a visionary leader in the technology industry with a proven track record of innovation. He currently heads DevRev, a company he co-founded in 2020 to provide cutting-edge CRM solutions for developers. Pandey's reputation was cemented during his time at Nutanix, where he served as co-founder and CEO for over a decade. He guided Nutanix to a record-breaking IPO and a successful pivot towards software-defined solutions. His entrepreneurial achievements earned him the E&Y Entrepreneur of the Year Award (Silicon Valley, 2016) and his technical expertise is reflected in his co-authorship of numerous patents in distributed databases. Pandey's influence extends beyond his companies, as evidenced by his board position at Adobe and his recognition as a Distinguished Alumnus by the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Kanpur. The founding of DevRev highlights his continued dedication to shaping the future of technology.➡️ Show Linkshttps://twitter.com/dheeraj/https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpandey/ ➡️ Podcast SponsorsHubspot - https://hubspot.com/ Entrepreneurs On Fire Podcast - https://www.eofire.com/podcast/ NetSuite — https://netsuite.com/scottclary/ Backblaze - https://backblaze.com/story DeleteMe - https://joindeleteme.com/success (Code: success)BELAY - https://belaysolutions.com Eufy - https://eufyofficial.com/videolock 1Password - https://1password.com/clary Indeed - https://indeed.com/clary Heaven Hill - https://heavenhilldistillery.com/hh-bottled-in-bond.php Factor - factormeals.com/successpod50 (Code: successpod50)BetterHelp - https://www.betterhelp.com/successpod ➡️ Talking Points00:00 - Intro02:22 - Building Tech Companies: Then vs. Now04:54 - AI's Competitive Edge in Tech09:39 - Dheeraj Pandey's Journey20:59 - Finding Authentic Team Members23:15 - Knowing When to Walk Away24:32 - Key Lessons from Nutanix30:00 - Meeting Market Needs as an Entrepreneur32:55 - Sponsor: Entrepreneurs On Fire Podcast33:41 - DevRev's Mission and Goals39:48 - Launching Versatile Products44:45 - The Business Power of Data Democratization49:21 - Storytelling through Data Visualization53:00 - The Importance of Design for Success57:04 - Evolving Design and Minimizing Friction58:58 - Starting with "Why"1:05:23 - Making Noise in a Crowded Market1:08:08 - Advice to Younger Self1:09:32 - Connect with Dheeraj PandeyOur Sponsors:* Check out 1Password: 1password.com/CLARY* Check out : betterhelp.com/SUCCESSPOD* Check out Factor and use my code successpod50 for a great deal: www.factor75.com* Shop the eufy video lock: https://shop.eufy.com/VideoLock or order it on Amazon today!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
➡️ Like The Podcast? Leave A Rating: https://ratethispodcast.com/successstory➡️ Join 321,000 people who read my free weekly newsletter: https://newsletter.scottdclary.com➡️ About The GuestDheeraj Pandey is a visionary leader in the technology industry with a proven track record of innovation. He currently heads DevRev, a company he co-founded in 2020 to provide cutting-edge CRM solutions for developers. Pandey's reputation was cemented during his time at Nutanix, where he served as co-founder and CEO for over a decade. He guided Nutanix to a record-breaking IPO and a successful pivot towards software-defined solutions. His entrepreneurial achievements earned him the E&Y Entrepreneur of the Year Award (Silicon Valley, 2016) and his technical expertise is reflected in his co-authorship of numerous patents in distributed databases. Pandey's influence extends beyond his companies, as evidenced by his board position at Adobe and his recognition as a Distinguished Alumnus by the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Kanpur. The founding of DevRev highlights his continued dedication to shaping the future of technology.➡️ Show Linkshttps://twitter.com/dheeraj/https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpandey/ ➡️ Podcast SponsorsHubspot - https://hubspot.com/ Entrepreneurs On Fire Podcast - https://www.eofire.com/podcast/ NetSuite — https://netsuite.com/scottclary/ Backblaze - https://backblaze.com/story DeleteMe - https://joindeleteme.com/success (Code: success)BELAY - https://belaysolutions.com Eufy - https://eufyofficial.com/videolock 1Password - https://1password.com/clary Indeed - https://indeed.com/clary Heaven Hill - https://heavenhilldistillery.com/hh-bottled-in-bond.php Factor - factormeals.com/successpod50 (Code: successpod50)BetterHelp - https://www.betterhelp.com/successpod ➡️ Talking Points00:00 - Intro02:22 - Building Tech Companies: Then vs. Now04:54 - AI's Competitive Edge in Tech09:39 - Dheeraj Pandey's Journey20:59 - Finding Authentic Team Members23:15 - Knowing When to Walk Away24:32 - Key Lessons from Nutanix30:00 - Meeting Market Needs as an Entrepreneur32:55 - Sponsor: Entrepreneurs On Fire Podcast33:41 - DevRev's Mission and Goals39:48 - Launching Versatile Products44:45 - The Business Power of Data Democratization49:21 - Storytelling through Data Visualization53:00 - The Importance of Design for Success57:04 - Evolving Design and Minimizing Friction58:58 - Starting with "Why"1:05:23 - Making Noise in a Crowded Market1:08:08 - Advice to Younger Self1:09:32 - Connect with Dheeraj PandeyOur Sponsors:* Check out 1Password: 1password.com/CLARY* Check out : betterhelp.com/SUCCESSPOD* Check out Factor and use my code successpod50 for a great deal: www.factor75.com* Shop the eufy video lock: https://shop.eufy.com/VideoLock or order it on Amazon today!Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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