Podcasts about dehumanizing legacy

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In this episode we sit down with Mark Charles, activist, pastor, speaker, citizen of the Navajo Nation, and co-author of *Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery* to talk about the importance of interrogating our faith. Is Jesus the model for inclusion he's been built up to be? Is there a path forward in the Christian faith for colonized people? Mark challenges us and shares his insights about decolonizing faith in this episode of Color Correction! Find us at colorcorrectionpodcast.com or on Instagram @colorcorrectionpodcast, and find Mark Charles at https://wirelesshogan.com/, listen to his podcast "My Second Cup of Coffee" from wherever you're listening to this podcast, and support him on Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/wirelesshogan!

In the third episode of Heavenly Homeland, a five-part audio documentary from Faithful Politics, we explore the profound and often contentious relationship between Christian nationalism and American history. Host Will Wright takes us on a thought-provoking journey through instances where Biblical scripture has been wielded as a tool for both oppression and liberation, reflecting deeply on the ethical and spiritual dilemmas faced by those at the intersection of faith and governance.We start the episode with a particularly harrowing story of George Stinney, the youngest person sentenced to death in the U.S. who was too small to fit in the electric chair and was propped up by the use of a Bible where he was electrocuted. Professor Corinna Lain, a constitutional law scholar, provides insight into Stinney's case, shedding light on broader issues of racial injustice and the death penalty.The episode also features Mark Charles, a Native American activist, who discusses the Doctrine of Discovery's devastating impact on indigenous peoples, framing it within the broader context of America's historical amnesia regarding its founding and the ongoing struggles for racial and social justice.We hear again from Robby Jones, president of PRRI, who revisits the roots of white supremacy in American Christianity, connecting the historical dots between religious splits over slavery and modern racial divisions. This historical perspective is enriched by Professor Anthea Butler's exploration of polygenesis and the misuse of biblical interpretations to support racist ideologies.The episode ends with a brief look at Christian Nationalism influences at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021 and we hear from Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn to get his thoughts on what it all means.Listen to the full interviews with each of our guest:"Executing Virginia" w/Professor Corinna Lain"Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery” w/Mark Charles"Religion, White Supremacy, and the American Future" w/Robert P. Jones"White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America" w/Anthea Butler"When Blue Lives Mattered" w/Capitol Police Officer Harry DunnSupport the showTo learn more about the show, contact our hosts, or recommend future guests, click on the links below: Website: https://www.faithfulpoliticspodcast.com/ Faithful Host: Josh@faithfulpoliticspodcast.com Political Host: Will@faithfulpoliticspodcast.com Twitter: @FaithfulPolitik Instagram: faithful_politics Facebook: FaithfulPoliticsPodcast LinkedIn: faithfulpolitics Subscribe to our Substack: https://faithfulpolitics.substack.com/

Chris sat down with two first-time ERB Podcast guests, Soong-Chan Rah and Mark Charles, at the recent CCDA conference to discuss their work related to colonialism, race, history and the church.Books Mentioned in this Episode:If you'd like to order any of the following books, we encourage you to do so from Hearts and Minds Books(An independent bookstore in Dallastown, PA, run by Byron and Beth Borger) Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery by Mark Charles and Soong-Chan RahProphetic Lament: A Call for Justice in Troubled Times by Soong-Chan RahThe Next Evangelicalism: Freeing the Church from Western Cultural Captivity by Soong-Chan RahThe Evangelical Imagination: How Stories, Images and Metaphors Created a Culture in Crisis by Karen Swallow PriorModern Social Imaginaries by Charles TaylorThe Land is Not Empty: Following Jesus in Dismantling the Doctrine of Discovery by Sarah AugustineHow to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States by Daniel ImmerwahrDie with Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life by Bill Perkins

Original Air Date 8/10/2022 Origins of the European colonial land-grab, the need for the #Landback movement,  and the benefits to society and the environment in the context of the climate crisis to return stewardship of the land to native peoples. Be part of the show! Leave us a message or text at 202-999-3991 or email Jay@BestOfTheLeft.com Transcript BestOfTheLeft.com/Support (Get AD FREE Shows and Bonus Content) Join our Discord community! SHOW NOTES Ch. 1: Why It's Time To Give Native Americans Their Land Back - AJ+ - Air Date 10-9-20 For some reason, Oct. 12th is still Columbus Day in a lot of the United States. Fortunately, more and more cities and states are adopting that day as Indigenous Peoples Day Ch. 2: Canada, it's time for Land Back - The Breach - Air Date 6-2-21 Since its inception, Canada has been stealing Indigenous lands — by the barrel of a gun, by starvation tactics & by tearing children from their families. Ch. 3: Mark Charles: An Indigenous Liberation Theology - A People's Theology - Air Date 7-7-21 Mason chats with Mark Charles about his book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery. We chat all about the Doctrine of Discovery, Mark's theology of land and water, and much more. Ch. 4: Can Indigenous People Lead the Fight Against Climate Change? - Above the Noise - Air Date 4-20-22 Indigenous communities across the globe are experts at managing and protecting land. Is it time the U.S. finally returned STOLEN parklands back to them? Ch. 5: LandBack: The Indigenous Liberation Movement - Andrewism - Air Date 1-6-21 LandBack isn't about deporting white people. It's a path to a better future. Ch. 6: What We Can Learn About #LandBack From These Native American Comedies - PBS Origins - Air Date 6-13-22 Native American representation in film and TV used to be confined to Westerns and storylines of defeat. Today, a new wave of Native American comedies, written and created by Native peoples, are taking back their narratives. Bonus: Landback cold open - Reservation Dogs S1 E3 Uncle Brownie - Air Date 8-16-21 MEMBERS-ONLY BONUS CLIP(S) Ch. 7: Meet the native Hawaiians fighting U.S. occupation - AJ+ - Air Date 3-3-17 In 1893, armed U.S. naval forces helped American sugar plantation owners illegally overthrow Hawaii's constitutional monarchy. 100 years later, the U.S. apologized and admitted in a resolution that Native Hawaiians had never relinquished their sovereignty Ch. 8: Why Native Americans are buying back land that was stolen from them - PBS NewsHour - Air Date 10-16-21 From 1877 to 1934, under a range of laws and reneged-upon treaties, the U.S. government appropriated tens of millions of acres of Native American land. In recent years there has been a growing movement known as “land back” to reclaim their lands. VOICEMAILS Ch. 9: Definition of power and organizing - Pat from Chicago FINAL COMMENTS Ch. 10: Final comments on why the left doesn't fight hard enough for political power TAKE ACTION / EDUCATE YOURSELF & SHARE Yellowhead Institute (@Yellowhead_): "Land Back - A Yellowhead Institute Red Paper" (Includes tools and resources. Canadian-based, but broadly applicable.) NDN Collective (@ndncollective): LandBack.org (U.S.-based) Curated by BOTL Communications Director Amanda Hoffman  MUSIC (Blue Dot Sessions) SHOW IMAGE: Description: A red "Land Back" flag waves outside the front of a courthouse. An American flag flies above it against a blue sky at the top of the courthouse. Credit: "A Land Back flag flies under the US Flag outside Aitkin County Courthouse in Aitkin, Minnesota" by Lorie Shaull | License CC by 2.0 | Changes: Cropped, increased contrast, decreased brightness   Produced by Jay! Tomlinson Visit us at BestOfTheLeft.com Listen Anywhere! BestOfTheLeft.com/Listen Listen Anywhere! Follow at Twitter.com/BestOfTheLeft Like at Facebook.com/BestOfTheLeft Contact me directly at Jay@BestOfTheLeft.com

In this episode, Dustin and Lowell discuss Lowell's interview with Dr. Soong-Chan Rah, author of Many Colors: Cultural Intelligence for a Changing Church, Prophetic Lament: A Call for Justice in Troubled Times, and Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery.

As we continue our conversation about “Church After Mars Hill,” host Joel Kiekintveld is joined by guest Dr. Ron Ruthruff, Associate Professor of Theology and Culture at The Seattle School of Psychology and Theology. When examining the story of Mars Hill, there exists an underexplored theme of race and Whiteness. In his book "After Whiteness," Dr. Willie Jennings defines Whiteness as the embodiment of a self-sufficient man who embodies possession, mastery, and control. Driscoll's calls to White men tapped into not only male rage but also White rage, reflecting the desire for control and dominance. By exploring the missing elements in the Mars Hill discussion, our discussion aims to shed light on the intersection of Whiteness and the power dynamics within evangelical church culture. Ron and Joel delve into the profound significance of addressing race and Whiteness within our systems, communities, and theological frameworks. They shed light on the far-reaching implications this exploration holds for the future of the church in a post-Mars Hill era. Through thought-provoking discussions, we're challenged to move beyond the safety of homogeneity and embrace differences within our faith communities. Listener resources: Read the transcript from today's episode at transformingengagement.org/podcast Check out some of the books and publications mentioned in this episode:  After Whiteness by Willie James Jennings / The Christian Imagination by Willie James Jennings / Can “White” People Be Saved: Reflections on Missions and Whiteness - a lecture from Willie James Jennings / Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin / Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery by Mark Charles and Soong-Chan Rah / The Wolf Shall Dwell with the Lamb by Eric Law / Sister Outsider: Essays and Speeches by Audre Lorde / The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin / My Grandmother's Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies by Resmaa Menakem / Stamped from the Beginning: A Graphic History of Racist Ideas in America by Ibram X. Kendi and Joel Christian Gill  / Stand Your Ground: Black Bodies and the Justice of God by Kelly Brown Douglas If you are a Christian leader or pastor seeking a space for support, growth, and transformation for yourself or for your team, we invite you to participate in one of our cohort programs, called a Circle. To learn more and to get on the waitlist to be notified when our next Circle is offered, click here.

Our guest this week is Mark Charles, Native American Activist, Author and Pastor. He has a lot to say about the state of our union and the Doctrine of Discovery. So what is the Doctrine of Discovery? I think Mark explains this clearly in an article he wrote in 2019 for the Faith and Leadership online magazine:"The Doctrine of Discovery is a series of papal bulls, or edicts, of the Catholic Church. The first one, from 1452, is titled Dum Diversas, written by Pope Nicholas V. It authorized the Portuguese to “invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans, … reduce their persons to perpetual slavery, and … convert them to … their use and profit” [as detailed in the follow-up Romanus Pontifex of 1455].It's the church in Europe saying to the nations of Europe, “Wherever you go, whatever land you find not ruled by white European Christian rulers, those people are subhuman, and their land is yours to take.”So this was adopted by European nations both [in efforts] in Africa to colonize and enslave people and by Columbus to land in this “New World,” which is already inhabited by millions, and claim to discover it. You cannot discover lands already inhabited. That's called stealing. The fact that we refer to what Columbus did as “discovery” reveals the implicit racial bias, which is that native people, people of color, aren't fully human."This episode does a deep dive into this dangerous doctrine and using his heavily researched book ("Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery") Mark gives us on a wild history lesson on its impact. We also discuss how the false deification of some of America's most prominent icons (ie: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Abraham Lincoln, etc) may not necessarily deserve the praise they've received. There's enough in this episode to offend everyone!If you'd like to purchase his book, which we highly recommend, you can purchase it here: https://wirelesshogan.com/2022/10/27/unsettling-truths/Guest Bio:Mark Charles is a speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christendom in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. In 2012, Mark hosted a public reading at the US Capitol of the buried apology to Native peoples in the 2010 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill given by the 111th Congress. He is the co-author of the book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, and he authors the blog Reflections from the Hogan. He is a co-founder of the Would Jesus Eat Frybread? college-conference series and has served on the boards of the Christian Reformed Church of North America and the Christian Community Development Association. In 2020 Mark ran as an independent candidate for the presidency of the United States, advocating for a Truth and Conciliation Commission – a formal and national dialogue on issues of race, gender, and class.Support the showTo learn more about the show, contact our hosts, or recommend future guests, click on the links below: Website: https://www.faithfulpoliticspodcast.com/ Faithful Host: Josh@faithfulpoliticspodcast.com Political Host: Will@faithfulpoliticspodcast.com Twitter: @FaithfulPolitik Instagram: faithful_politics Facebook: FaithfulPoliticsPodcast LinkedIn: faithfulpolitics

Mark Charles is a speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christendom in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. In 2012, Mark hosted a public reading at the US Capitol of the buried apology to Native peoples in the 2010 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill given by the 111th Congress. He is the co-author of the book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, and he authors the blog Reflections from the Hogan. He is a co-founder of the Would Jesus Eat Frybread? college-conference series and has served on the boards of the Christian Reformed Church of North America and the Christian Community Development Association. In 2020 Mark ran as an independent candidate for the presidency of the United States, advocating for a Truth and Conciliation Commission – a formal and national dialogue on issues of race, gender, and class.REGISTER FOR RETREATCONUncertain is a podcast of Tears of Eden, a community and resource for those in the aftermath of Spiritual Abuse. If you're enjoying this podcast, please take a moment to like, subscribe, or leave a review on your favorite podcasting listening apparatus. You can support the podcast by going to TearsofEden.org/supportTo get in touch with us please email tearsofeden.org@gmail.comFollow on Instagram @uncertainpodcast

Rev. Dr. Rah is a Professor of Evangelism at Fuller Theological Seminary and was the founding senior pastor of Cambridge Community Fellowship Church in Cambridge. He has degrees from Columbia, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, Harvard; Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary; Duke. He is a nationally recognized speaker and author of several books, including his most recent publication, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery.

In this episode, we discuss the book by Mark Charles and Soong-Chan Rah, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery.  "Mark Charles is a dynamic and thought-provoking public speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, he teaches with insight into the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and faith in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is one of the leading authorities on the 15th-century's Doctrine of Discovery and its influence on US history and its intersection with modern-day society. Soong-Chan Rah (ThD, Duke Divinity School) is Robert Munger Professor of Evangelism at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California. Previously, he served as Milton B. Engebretson Professor of Church Growth and Evangelism at North Park Theological Seminary in Chicago, Illinois. He is the author of Prophetic Lament, The Next Evangelicalism, and Many Colors, as well as coauthor of Unsettling Truths, Forgive Us, and Return to Justice." [from https://www.ivpress.com/unsettling-truths ] Order the book here: https://www.ivpress.com/unsettling-truths  To help sustain our work, you can donate here To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org  Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians Instagram: @RedLetterXians Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne Common Hymnal information: https://commonhymnal.com/ 

Gratitude is good. But Thanksgiving is an issue. We could consider a space for lament and healing. Mark Charles, co-author of Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, shares a history of the Thanksgiving holiday and how we can instead make room for lament that offers healing.

Are numbers in the Hebrew Bible literal? Is it dangerous to adapt God's laws? Does Israel's conquest of Canaan justify other historical conquests? In this episode, Tim and Jon explore audience questions about the Numbers scroll. Thanks to our audience for your insightful questions.View full show notes from this episode →Timestamps Are Repeated Numbers Literal or Literary Embellishments? (1:20)Why Does Israel's Population Decrease in Numbers? (16:25)What Does Jesus' Title “The Rock” Have to Do with Moses? (21:45)Is it Dangerous to Adapt God's Laws? (34:34)Does Israel's Conquest of Canaan Justify Other Historical Conquests? (47:35)What's With All the 10s and 2s? (52:22)What Are Some Resources for Seeing Edenic Themes in the Torah? (01:01:58)Referenced ResourcesAni Maamin: Biblical Criticism, Historical Truth, and the Thirteen Principles of Faith, Joshua BermanA Defense of the Hyperbolic Interpretation of Numbers in the Old Testament, David M. FoutsDeuteronomy 1-11 (The Anchor Yale Bible Commentaries), Moshe WeinfeldJesus and the Land: The New Testament Challenge to "Holy Land" Theology, Gary M. BurgeUnsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, Mark Charles, Soong-Chan RahThe Christian Imagination: Theology and the Origins of Race, William James JenningsInterested in more? Check out Tim's library here.You can experience the literary themes and movements we're tracing on the podcast in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.Show Music “Defender (Instrumental)” by TENTSShow produced by Cooper Peltz with Associate Producer Lindsey Ponder. Edited by Dan Gummel, Tyler Bailey, and Frank Garza. Podcast annotations for the BibleProject app by Hannah Woo. Audience questions compiled by Christopher Maier.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.

Air Date 8/10/2022 Today, we take a look at the origins of the European colonial land-grab, the need for the #Landback movement,  and the benefits to society and the environment in the context of the climate crisis to return stewardship of the land to native peoples. Be part of the show! Leave us a message at 202-999-3991 or email Jay@BestOfTheLeft.com  Transcript BestOfTheLeft.com/Support (Get AD FREE Shows and Bonus Content) Join our Discord community! OUR AFFILIATE LINKS: Check out BOMBAS.COM/BEST for 20% off! Internet Privacy with ExpressVPN! SHOW NOTES Ch. 1: Why It's Time To Give Native Americans Their Land Back - AJ+ - Air Date 10-9-20 For some reason, Oct. 12th is still Columbus Day in a lot of the United States. Fortunately, more and more cities and states are adopting that day as Indigenous Peoples Day Ch. 2: Canada, it's time for Land Back - The Breach - Air Date 6-2-21 Since its inception, Canada has been stealing Indigenous lands — by the barrel of a gun, by starvation tactics & by tearing children from their families. Ch. 3: Mark Charles: An Indigenous Liberation Theology - A People's Theology - Air Date 7-7-21 Mason chats with Mark Charles about his book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery. We chat all about the Doctrine of Discovery, Mark's theology of land and water, and much more. Ch. 4: Can Indigenous People Lead the Fight Against Climate Change? - Above the Noise - Air Date 4-20-22 Indigenous communities across the globe are experts at managing and protecting land. Is it time the U.S. finally returned STOLEN parklands back to them? Ch. 5: LandBack: The Indigenous Liberation Movement - Andrewism - Air Date 1-6-21 LandBack isn't about deporting white people. It's a path to a better future. Ch. 6: What We Can Learn About #LandBack From These Native American Comedies - PBS Origins - Air Date 6-13-22 Native American representation in film and TV used to be confined to Westerns and storylines of defeat. Today, a new wave of Native American comedies, written and created by Native peoples, are taking back their narratives. Bonus: Landback cold open - Reservation Dogs S1 E3 Uncle Brownie - Air Date 8-16-21 MEMBERS-ONLY BONUS CLIP(S) Ch. 7: Meet the native Hawaiians fighting U.S. occupation - AJ+ - Air Date 3-3-17 In 1893, armed U.S. naval forces helped American sugar plantation owners illegally overthrow Hawaii's constitutional monarchy. 100 years later, the U.S. apologized and admitted in a resolution that Native Hawaiians had never relinquished their sovereignty Ch. 8: Why Native Americans are buying back land that was stolen from them - PBS NewsHour - Air Date 10-16-21 From 1877 to 1934, under a range of laws and reneged-upon treaties, the U.S. government appropriated tens of millions of acres of Native American land. In recent years there has been a growing movement known as “land back” to reclaim their lands. VOICEMAILS Ch. 9: Definition of power and organizing - Pat from Chicago FINAL COMMENTS Ch. 10: Final comments on why the left doesn't fight hard enough for political power TAKE ACTION / EDUCATE YOURSELF & SHARE Yellowhead Institute (@Yellowhead_): "Land Back - A Yellowhead Institute Red Paper" (Includes tools and resources. Canadian-based, but broadly applicable.) NDN Collective (@ndncollective): LandBack.org (U.S.-based) Curated by BOTL Communications Director Amanda Hoffman  MUSIC (Blue Dot Sessions) SHOW IMAGE: Description: A red "Land Back" flag waves outside the front of a courthouse. An American flag flies above it against a blue sky at the top of the courthouse. Credit: "A Land Back flag flies under the US Flag outside Aitkin County Courthouse in Aitkin, Minnesota" by Lorie Shaull | License CC by 2.0 | Changes: Cropped, increased contrast, decreased brightness   Produced by Jay! Tomlinson

Join us for today's episode with 2020 Presidential candidate Mark Charles and the author of Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing, Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, as we wrestle with the doctrine of discovery and its impact on the indigenous peoples of North America. In this episode, we grapple with the treatment of Native Americans and the church's role in supporting the horrific and genocidal treatment of the native people of this land. This powerful interview will certainly leave you uncomfortable. But it is a past that we must reckon with if we are to ever move forward in bringing conciliation.    This is Rob. We just want to say thank you for listening in and supporting the work of determinetruth. If you have any questions that you would like us to address, we would love to hear them. Use the contact page on Determinetruth.com  If you have been blessed by these episodes, we want to encourage you to make sure you follow this podcast, and share it with others, and post a review. By posting a review you make it easier for others find the podcast on google searches.  Here is a link to Mark's book: Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery Blog  Patreon  Mark's Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Youtube are all wirelesshogan Please "follow" this podcast and give a review on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your review will go a long way towards helping others find this podcast. Then share it with others so that we can get the word of the Gospel of the Kingdom to more people!   NB: our goal is to keep these episodes free of charge. I do not intend to ever hide them behind a paywall. I can only do this if those of you who have been blessed by them and can afford to give ($5, $10, $25, or more/month) do so. You can give a tax-deductible contribution by following this link.  

Author, public speaker, writer, and 2020 Presidential Candidate Mark Charles returns to Abolition Today. Mark Charles is a dynamic and thought-provoking public speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, he teaches with insight into the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and faith in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is one of the leading authorities on the 15th-century Doctrine of Discovery and its influence on US history and its intersection with modern-day society. Mark co-authored, along with Soong-Chan Rah, the new book entitled “Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery ” (IVP, 2019). Mark ran as an independent candidate for the US Presidency in the 2020 election. We'll speak about his recent personal revelations regarding Washington, DC's emancipation day, his future goals, and discuss the slavery abolitionist efforts to date. Of course, we'll fire things up with music and poetry, and bring the abolitionist ancestors' words back to life for a new generation in our Bridging The Gap segment.

Author, public speaker, writer, and 2020 Presidential Candidate Mark Charles returns to Abolition Today. Mark Charles is a dynamic and thought-provoking public speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, he teaches with insight into the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and faith in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is one of the leading authorities on the 15th-century's Doctrine of Discovery and its influence on US history and its intersection with modern-day society. Mark co-authored, along with Soong-Chan Rah, the new book entitled “Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery ” (IVP, 2019). Mark ran as an independent candidate for the US Presidency in the 2020 election. We'll speak about his recent personal revelations regarding Washington, DC's emancipation day, his future goals, and discuss the slavery abolitionist efforts to date. Of course we'll fire things up with music and poetry, and bring the abolitionist ancestors words back to life for a new generation in our Bridging The Gap segment.

Author, public speaker, writer, and 2020 Presidential Candidate Mark Charles returns to Abolition Today. Mark Charles is a dynamic and thought-provoking public speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, he teaches with insight into the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and faith in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is one of the leading authorities on the 15th-century Doctrine of Discovery and its influence on US history and its intersection with modern-day society. Mark co-authored, along with Soong-Chan Rah, the new book entitled “Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery ” (IVP, 2019). Mark ran as an independent candidate for the US Presidency in the 2020 election. We'll speak about his recent personal revelations regarding Washington, DC's emancipation day, his future goals, and discuss the slavery abolitionist efforts to date. Of course, we'll fire things up with music and poetry, and bring the abolitionist ancestors' words back to life for a new generation in our Bridging The Gap segment.

Welcome to the new season of the Power Shift podcast, another beautiful collaboration between Danielle Strickland and World Vision. We are connecting with people who are at the intersection of power shifting around the world, including World Vision staff.  Our first episode is interviewing Dr Soon-Chan Rah on the dynamics of power for the church itself.Soong-Chan Rah has authored or co-authored over a half dozen, and many award-winning, books including The Next Evangelicalism: Freeing the Church from Western Cultural Captivity, Many Colors: Cultural Intelligence for a Changing Church, Prophetic Lament: A Call for Justice in Troubled Times, Return to Justice: Six Movements that Reignited Our Contemporary Evangelical Conscience, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, and Forgive Us: Confessions of a Compromised Faith.He is an ordained pastor in the Evangelical Covenant Church, and a member of the Academy for Evangelism in Theological Education, American Academy of Religion, and American Society of Missiology. He has spoken widely on the topics of the witness of the church, cross-cultural ministry, and social justice at academic conferences, seminaries, Christian colleges, local churches, denominational gatherings, and ministry conferences on both the domestic and global levels.For more on all the things Danielle Strickland, go to daniellestrickland.comFor more information on Infinitum Life, go to infinitumlife.comFor more information on the Women Speakers Collective, go to womenspeakerscollective.comCheck out these other collaborations with World Vision:Right Side Up course: Videos & activation guide from Season 1, on beatitudes:  https://www.worldvision.org/church/resources/rsu_curriculum Prayer Postures: https://www.worldvision.org/church/resources/prayerrhythms Soul Care for leaders: https://www.worldvision.org/church/resources/right-side-up-soul-care-with-danielle-strickland Resilient Leadership for Kingdom Come (pastor specific): https://www.worldvision.org/church/resources/resilient-leadership-for-kingdom-come Infinitum Prayer Days: https://infinitumlife.com/prayerday 

In this episode, Sarah and Sheri talk with activist, author and Dine leader Mark Charles, who wrote Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery with co-author Soong-Chan Rah. For two years, Mark led an Indigenous and settler church in Denver before moving to live on the Navajo reservation with his family for 11 years. While on the reservation, Mark became exposed to, began studying and eventually started teaching about the Doctrine of Discovery. But Creator also placed on his heart a desire for truth and conciliation. Six years ago, Mark and his family moved from the Navajo Nation to Washington, D.C., and in 2020 he ran as an independent candidate for President of the United States. For more information: Wirelesshogan.com: Mark's website, with links to his book, videos, podcasts, other writings and Patreon page Link to Mark's Youtube channel, “A Second Cup of Coffee” - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn59tQqrxf898cs8sBbtV6g

Joel hops into the host seat for a fun and freewheeling conversation with a few ERB reviewers about recent publications they've written about, what they are looking forward to in publishing, and of course, what we are all currently reading.Justin Cober-Lake is a pastor in central Virginia. He holds an M.A. in American Studies from the University of Virginia and has worked in academic publishing for the past 15 years. His editing and freelance writing have focused mostly on cultural criticism, particularly pop music.Sara Easterly is an adoptee and the author of the award-winning memoir, Searching for Mom, and a member of the Redbud Writers Guild and Freedom Road Institute's Global Writers' Group. Her adoption- and faith-focused articles and essays have been published by Psychology Today, Red Letter Christians, Godspace, Her View From Home, and Severance Magazine, to name a few. Sara is also the founder of Adoptee Voices, leading writing groups and managing an e-Zine to help other adoptees express their stories. Find her online at saraeasterly.com.Books Mentioned in this Episode:If you'd like to order any of the following books, we encourage you to do so from Hearts and Minds Books(An independent bookstore in Dallastown, PA, run by Byron and Beth Borger) How to Have an Enemy: Righteous Anger and the Work of Peace by Melissa Florer-BixlerJustin's Review of "How to Have an Enemy" on ERBPlaying God: Redeeming the Gift of Power by Andy CrouchFortune: How Race Broke My Family and the World - And How to Repair it All by Lisa Sharon HarperSara's Review of "Fortune" on ERBUnsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery by March Charles and Soong-Chan RahChristian Ethics: A New Covenant Model by Hak Joon LeeJustin's Review of "Christian Ethics" on ERBThe Crucifixion of the Warrior God: Interpreting the Old Testament's Violent Portraits of God in Light of the Cross by Greg BoydCross Vision: How the Crucifixion of Jesus Makes Sense of Old Testament Violence by Greg BoydAll the White Friends I Couldn't Keep: Hope - and Hard Pills to Swallow - About Fighting for Black Lives by Andre HenryMy Body is Not a Prayer Request: Disability Justice in the Church by Amy KennyBeyond Welcome: Centering Immigrants in Our Christian Response to Immigration by Karen GonzalezEverything Sad is Untrue (a true story) by Daniel NayeriThe Destruction of the Canaanites: God, Genocide and Biblical Interpretation by Charlie TrimmThe Philosophy of Modern Song by Bob DylanStamped From the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by Ibram X. KendiHow (and why) to make your lover's head disappear by Gero MannellaPrayer in the Night: For Those Who Work or Watch or Weep by Tish Harrison WarrenHow to Be Perfect: The Correct Answer to Every Moral Question by Michael SchurThe Goldfinch: A Novel by Donna TarttThe War that Saved My Life by Kimberly Brubaker BradleyReimagining Adoption: What Adoptees Seek from Family and Faith by Sally Ankerfelt and Gayle SwiftHeretics and Believers: A History of the English Reformation by Peter MarshallNemesis Games by James S. A. Corey

In this podcast, Mark gives a different perspective about the “discovery” of America and some of the profound problems when Christians go to be with the Empire. Mark Charles is a speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christendom in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is the co-author of the book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, and he authors the blog Reflections from the Hogan. Mark is currently an independent candidate for the presidency of the United States, advocating for a Truth and Conciliation Commission – a formal and national dialogue on issues of race, gender, and class. https://wirelesshogan.com Theology in the Raw Conference - Exiles in Babylon At the Theology in the Raw conference, we will be challenged to think like exiles about race, sexuality, gender, critical race theory, hell, transgender identities, climate change, creation care, American politics, and what it means to love your democratic or republican neighbor as yourself. Different views will be presented. No question is off limits. No political party will be praised. Everyone will be challenged to think. And Jesus will be upheld as supreme. Support Preston Support Preston by going to patreon.com Venmo: @Preston-Sprinkle-1 Connect with Preston Twitter | @PrestonSprinkle Instagram | @preston.sprinkle Youtube | Preston Sprinkle Check out Dr. Sprinkle's website prestonsprinkle.com Stay Up to Date with the Podcast Twitter | @RawTheology Instagram | @TheologyintheRaw If you enjoy the podcast, be sure to leave a review.

Mark Charles is the son of a Navajo father and a Dutch-American mother. He is an activist, speaker, and author on Native American issues. In 2019, Mark published "Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery" with co-author Prof. Soong-Chan Rah. In 2020 he was an independent candidate for President of the United States. If everyone in America who called themselves a Christian was actually a follower of the Way of Jesus, Mark would be the President right now.All about Mark and his books HERE.More about Mark's campaign HERE.Has anything we make been interesting, useful or fruitful for you? You can support us by becoming a Fellow Traveller on our Patreon page HERE.

So often God speaks to us as a group and we need to learn to see ourselves as a “we,” not just “me” when it comes to our lives as Christians. On this episode Jeff and Emily talk to a sociologist, Dr. Korie Little Edwards, and theologian Dr. Soong-Chan Rah about race and the church in the United States. We talk about the needs to listen to the gifts of everyone in the body, the impacts on leaders of color in multiracial churches, and various ways that we can all respond to the things we hear and observe as we learn about how God is at work in the church today. Soong-Chan Rah is the Robert Boyd Munger Professor of Evangelism at Fuller Seminary. He is the author of many books including The Next Evangelicalism and his most recent Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, co-authored with Mark Charles. Korie Little Edwards is an Associate Professor of Sociology at The Ohio State University and editor of the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion. She is the author of several books including the Elusive Dream: The Power of Race in Interracial Churches and the forthcoming Smart Suits, Tattered Boots: Black Ministers Mobilizing the Black Church in the Twenty-First Century. Thanks to InterVarsity's Faculty Ministry for sponsoring Theology &. Find out more about Faculty Ministry and the resources and support they provide to help faculty flourish together on campus.

Guest preacher Mark Charles brings an eye-opening perspective on why the ministry of radical inclusivity is so hard, and yet still possible through the Holy Spirit. [Acts 10] Mark Charles is a dynamic and thought-provoking public speaker, writer, and consultant. The son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, he teaches with insight into the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and faith in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is one of the leading authorities on the 15th-century's Doctrine of Discovery and its influence on US history and its intersection with modern-day society. Mark co-authored, along with Soong-Chan Rah, the new book entitled “Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery ” (IVP, 2019). Mark ran as an independent candidate for the US Presidency in the 2020 election. 

This week's episode with Mark Charles shows the need for us as a society to face the truths even when uncomfortable, describes the steps he is taking to help decolonize the gospel for the Navajo Nation, and demonstrates how our own trauma can lead to understanding and reconciliation. Guest Bio Mark Charles is a dual citizen of the United States and Navajo Nation. He is an activist, public speaker, consultant, author and Reformed pastor. Mark is the coauthor of Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery and regularly contributes as a correspondent for Native News Online and journalist for the Wirelesshogan: Reflections from the Hogan. The son of an American woman and a Navajo man, he teaches and speaks to the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christianity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yá' át' ééh. Mark Charles yinishyé. Tsin bikee dine'é nishłí. Dóó tó'aheedlíinii bá shíshchíín. Tsin bikee' dine'é dashicheii. Dóó tódích' íi' nii dashinálí. In the Navajo culture, that is how Mark Charles - pastor, author, 2020 Presidential candidate - would introduce himself to you. Mark grew up believing the same narrative that we all believed: that America and the Church stood for justice and equality. But after moving his family from Denver, CO to a Navajo reservation and learning more about the history of his people and his culture, he began to break down the myth of a just America and an affirming Church when the two have been so intertwined throughout the centuries of genocide committed against indigenous peoples. In this episode, Mark discusses the journey that led him to co-author "Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery" and what it truly means for a country and a religion to lament and work towards racial conciliation. ABOUT MARK Mark is a dual citizen of the United States and the Navajo Nation who currently resides in Washington DC with his family to help build a nation where "we the people" truly means all people. He began writing on his blog, Wireless Hogan, and has given a TED Talk explaining his plan for the Truth & Conciliation Commission and ran for President as an Independent candidate in 2020. He livestreams the sunrise every week and invites people to join in an effort to sit with Creator. For more information, visit: https://www.markcharles2020.com/ To purchase "Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery," visit InterVarsity press: https://www.ivpress.com/unsettling-truths

Yá' át' ééh. Mark Charles yinishyé. Tsin bikee dine'é nishłí. Dóó tó'aheedlíinii bá shíshchíín. Tsin bikee' dine'é dashicheii. Dóó tódích' íi' nii dashinálí. In the Navajo culture, that is how Mark Charles - pastor, author, 2020 Presidential candidate - would introduce himself to you. Mark grew up believing the same narrative that we all believed: that America and the Church stood for justice and equality. But after moving his family from Denver, CO to a Navajo reservation and learning more about the history of his people and his culture, he began to break down the myth of a just America and an affirming Church when the two have been so intertwined throughout the centuries of genocide committed against indigenous peoples. In this episode, Mark discusses the journey that led him to co-author "Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery" and what it truly means for a country and a religion to lament and work towards racial conciliation. ABOUT MARK Mark is a dual citizen of the United States and the Navajo Nation who currently resides in Washington DC with his family to help build a nation where "we the people" truly means all people. He began writing on his blog, Wireless Hogan, and has given a TED Talk explaining his plan for the Truth & Conciliation Commission and ran for President as an Independent candidate in 2020. He livestreams the sunrise every week and invites people to join in an effort to sit with Creator. For more information, visit: https://www.markcharles2020.com/ To purchase "Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery," visit InterVarsity press: https://www.ivpress.com/unsettling-truths

Support the show: Patreon l Glow l Episode TranscriptMark and I dive into inclusion with the lens of Mark and Acts. It's so not what you think.Guest Bio:Mark Charles is a speaker, writer, and consultant. Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christendom in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is the co-author of the book Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery.Follow Mark at Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, InstagramGuest Music by The Silver PagesYou can also find all the musical selections from all our episodes on our Spotify Playlist. Check out all the things over at the store...it's a great way to support the show www.canisaythisatchurch.com/storeWhat are you waiting for; consider becoming a Patreon supporter of the show. You'll have access to many perks as well as guaranteeing the future of these conversations; even $3/Month goes so far as this show is 100% listener supported. Follow the show:Facebook, Twitter, StoreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Mark Charles joins Jacqui on this episode of Love. Period. He is the son of an American woman (of Dutch heritage) and a Navajo man, Mark teaches the complexities of American history regarding race, culture, and Christendom in order to help forge a path of healing and conciliation for the nation. He is the co-author of the book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, and he authors the blog Reflections from the Hogan. Connect with us: We'd love to hear your thoughts, comments, or feedback. Send us an email. Rev. Jacqui Lewis Ph.D.: Facebook | Instagram | Twitter Mark Charles: Facebook | Instagram | Twitter Center for Action and Contemplation: Facebook | Instagram | Twitter This podcast is made possible, thanks to the generosity of our donors. If you would love to support the ongoing work of the Center for Action and Contemplation and the continued work of our podcasts, you can donate at cac.org/podcastsupport Thank you!

Mason chats with Mark Charles about his book, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery. We chat all about the Doctrine of Discovery, Mark's theology of land and water, and much more. Guest Bio/Info: Mark Charles is a Native American activist, public speaker, and author of Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery. Find Mark here: wirelesshogan.com Twitter: @wirelesshogan Instagram: wirelesshogan Facebook: facebook.com/MarkCharlesWirelesshogan Special music by The Chairman Dances: Spotify: The Chairman Dances Instagram: thechairmandances Get connected to Mason: masonmennenga.com Patreon: patreon.com/masonmennenga Twitter: @masonmennenga Facebook: facebook.com/mason.mennenga Instagram: masonmennenga

Mark Charles, a Native American activist and writer, talks with Word&Way President Brian Kaylor about his book Unsettling Truth: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery. He also discusses his 2020 campaign as an independent presidential candidate, the racism embedded in the U.S.'s founding documents, and how churches are adding to the nation's racism. Note: Don't forget to check out our subscribe e-newsletter A Public Witness that helps you make sense of faith, culture, and politics.

Luke and Jonathan break down Steven Curtis Chapman's certified gold 1994 record Heaven in the Real World. *SPOILER* -- we don't love this record!! Luke reacts to the record in real time and Jonathan gets to yell about imperialism and books he has read! This is their first overwhelmingly negative review but we still have fun!! Books Jonathan Mentioned (and recommends): Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery by Mark Charles and Soong-Chan Rah (link) One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America by Kevin Kruse (link)

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/97qYfR_y9-w Mark Charles is a 2020 independent candidate for President of the United States. He is also a member of the Navajo Nation, Native American activist, Reformed Paster, public speaker, and co-author of Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery. For more information, please visit his campaign website below. https://www.markcharles2020.com/ https://twitter.com/wirelesshogan __________________________ Inquiries: theliberalconservativereport@gmail.com Support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/ZachSacher --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/rule8politics/support

In this episode, Rodney Green speaks with Dr. Jamie Aten from the Humanitarian Disaster Institute (HDI) about a wide range of inter-connected topics including faith, resilience, and approaches to better understanding and measuring spiritual fortitude in the midst of personal and shared suffering, racial injustice, and the covid-19 pandemic. Resources from HDI on the Measure of Spiritual Fortitude, Leadership Humility, Post-traumatic growth: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331603591_Development_and_Validation_of_a_Measure_of_Spiritual_Fortitude https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341577750_Why_Leader_Humility_is_Vital_to_Effective_Humanitarian_Aid_Leadership_A_Review_of_the_Literature https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309222416_Cultural_Humility_and_Hospital_Safety_Culture https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254320192_Resource_loss_religiousness_health_and_posttraumatic_growth_following_Hurricane_Katrina Dr. Jamie Aten's book “A Walking Disaster: What Surviving Katrina and Cancer Taught Me about Faith and Resilience”: http://www.jamieaten.com/a-walking-disaster HDI website: https://www.wheaton.edu/academics/academic-centers/humanitarian-disaster-institute/ The conversation between Rodney and Dr. Aten briefly introduces the systemic nature and sin of white supremacy, racism, and racial injustice, and important voices to listen to in order to go deeper can include: Dr. Drew Hart. “Trouble I've Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views Racism” https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CF1TR1Y/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Dr. Ibram Kendi. “How to Be an Antiracist” https://www.ibramxkendi.com/how-to-be-an-antiracist-1 Mark Charles. “Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery” https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7ZXT1R/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Rev. Rene August. “How to Decolonize the Bible” [Webinar On Demand] https://freedomroad.us/freedom-road-institute-for-leadership-justice/decolonizing-the-bible/ Also, “The Aid Sector Must Do More to Tackle its White Supremacy Problem” https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/jun/15/the-aid-sector-must-do-more-to-tackle-its-white-supremacy-problem Equitable Evaluation Framework: https://www.equitableeval.org/ee-framework

Still social distancing.Kyle and Bobby are Classmates of Danielle's from the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology. All three were in the Counseling program together.Danielle met Bobby and Kyle in a Spirit and Trauma Class and shared a research project together.Checking in with Bobby about how he's doing and how COVID is affecting his life:Bobby says truthfully, “We don't actually know how COVID-19 is effecting us and we probably won't know for a long time.”What he's noticed in his counseling internship is that the gap between the haves and have-nots has is becoming increasingly larger.As a therapist, Bobby find himself entering sessions with a different mindset – “there's a lot more case management” happening rather than actual therapy. It's become more difficult right now to engage past trauma, while living in a current trauma. He finds his sessions are less about trauma and more about just surviving.With 9 people in his household, Bobby is watching how each kid is navigating the lack of community, social support and social interaction. And when you magnify that with the population of people you work with, there is a diverse reaction to what's happening.Bobby says he's not sure he can do anything more than just sit with people and listen to how their day/week/month has been and not really give much input. It allows them space to share what's happening in their daily routine, what is lacking. Danielle noted that the longer COVID goes on, the larger the gap. Bobby had hopes that there would be a hiatus on crime during this season. In the past weeks there's been an uptick in violence. The media is showing there's not just more violence on a whole but also more violence being inflicted by law enforcement. Bobby is trying to work and everyone should also work on taking a collective deep breathe and try to figure out what the next move is. He's had a young person that he's close to that was killed three weeks ago and there is no place for lament or gathering together. The gap is widening from economic and racial. The luxury he is given: the ability to lament and give space to lament. For many people that space is decreasing when it should be increasing. Bobby says, when you don't allow yourself space to lament, it bottles up and manifest in someway other way, shape or form.Maggie acknowledges that the collective tension is so tight. She empathizes with not getting more space and wishes she has space to lament, not just for herself but also for her kids who hate school online and miss their friends. She says in this COVID environment our friends have become threats and that is not the way she wants her kids to live. Bobby says we need to remember that the tension we feel will manifest itself in some way and law enforcement is not immune to that. Kyle mentions a book they read for class [My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa Menakem] that deals with racialized trauma in our country and addressed police bodies. Kyle watched a recent interaction with an African American man who was intoxicated at a Walgrens. Kyle found himself watching to make sure the man was treated fairly by law enforcement all the while his therapy training running in his head, is he a risk to himself? Is he a risk to others? Then adding to that Menakem's work he began to wonder, “How is the officer working to deescalate this guy? And if the officer is stressed he's not going to have that to give.” Kyle thinks Menakem's work needs to be apart of the conversation on how we take care of the police so that they can practice law. The police is working with new stress, just like the rest of us. Danielle mentions that Shaun King, an Activist, has been showing video clips of African American men getting tazzed and tackled by Police just standing there, not practicing social distancing, brutally arrested and charged with police assault. Contrasted to images of white people in a park in New York, not social distancing, and cops were rolling throw handing out masks. The contrast is so stark. Individual police are responsible for their actions. But who is above them telling them to carry out an agenda and a policy like that?A friend made masks for Danielle's family and the one for her husband didn't fit. Instead he wore a bandana. But it was as they were going on with him wearing the bandana on his face that she thought, “Oh you better not wear that… to other people you are looking really dangerous” as a Mexican man. So he went into the store without a mask and people gave him dirty looks. It's like a bind, “What do you want him to do? Where is he going to fit?” It's like not having the space to exist. Danielle says that communities need more opportunities to lament, space to lament. And white spaces are still crowding that space.Bobby was reminded of something that happened at the Seattle School during a practicum: It was a heated conversation about race shortly after Trump was elected and there were white folks saying there were no race issues, especially in Seattle. The facilitator decided it was needed for the class to take a break. Bobby, who's wife Samoan, finds he's more aware of racial tension situations and he asks himself, “What's my role right now?” Tension comes up in their family dynamic and within the community he and his lives in, but in that moment at the Seattle School he went, for the first time up to the chapel room. Outside the room there is a chalkboard wall where someone had written, “there will be peace in the valley for me.” For a second, he took solace in that. And then he asked himself why he feels that and it is because he is a white heterosexual man. That's why he could feel that there would be peace in the valley, he will be protected and he doesn't live with the racial tension and oppression. He walked away thinking that he doesn't want that peace because of white privilege. He doesn't know how to handle the fact that he could walk away from this situation and have peace for himself but he would still know that others could not have that peace.“What's my role as a white person combating the structures that exist and uphold that feeling of peace for me but creates a feeling of conflict and violence for so many people in my life that I love and care about. “Even though the event at school happened over three years ago, he thinks about it a lot. Kyle wonders what makes it hard for white men to hear this and have conversations around these topics. What are the barriers? Bobby thinks that it is exposing: The conversation around race creates vulnerability, not a threat, but a place for white people to admit that the only reason they have their place or standing is because of white privilege. Not their brain, heart, work ethic… but everything to do with the color or their skin. Bobby says, “It's unnerving.” Bobby recognizes and sees his white privilege more clearly now. Bobby quotes Portland Seminary Professor Randy Woodley, “If there is one person without shalom, then no one has shalom.” This is the work of white people: we must claim peace no only for themselves but for all people. Everyone should experience God's fullness. Danielle notices that there is a fatigue among white leaders right now as they are working a marathon against the virus. The work of deconstructing whiteness and recognizing privilege, can't be solved by just reading Robin DiAngelo's book [White Fragility]. It is a long grueling process, and that's okay! It's okay to battle with it everyday… It's almost a blessing because it won't equal what others have been through and do go through. There needs to be a sense of suffering the ways we have been raised that shaped our mindset that has caused harm to others. We need to battle with ourselves and we need the endurance to do it. Kyle remembers looking at some case studies so school and many were done by white male therapists. It didn't bother him and he almost didn't notice it. He was numb to it. When it was brought up he found himself defensive, like this is the way it is in this field, as if it was an excuse. Kyle was able, with the help of his classmates, do his own work to recognize this micro-aggression that he never has to think about and others do. He said it's a part of his brain he doesn't' have to use because of the privilege he's had his whole life. “It's growing that muscle and having patience with myself as I do. Yeah I can start to see these things and advocate for them.” “It's a mental slog … to do the work to wake up.” Kyle said it's not easy work to look in the mirror after reading Robin DiAngelo's book when the whole system as worked for you for a long time. But the work of acknowledging white privilege is worth our energy and time. White people need to overcome laziness and the unwillingness to put the work in. Bobby says we need to consider what we're tied to: Individualistic White American perspective. We can navigate COVID-19 like any other social issue on our own or we can choose to navigate in community. Movements in racial equity, social issues, oppression, Medicare, etc…. From a communal perspective it takes longer, but that's the way we're supposed to move: Collectively. It's not about individuals at all, it's about doing it together. Bobby was working with young African American men moving things out of a truck and a police came and started questioning them, even to the point of getting violent. But as soon as he [Bobby] came around from the front of the truck to talk to the police officer, that's when he backs down.Bobby things people tend to not believe things until they've seen it with their own eyes. He also saw the post that Shawn King made contrasting police interaction with whites vs. African Americans… He thought, “is it really that bad?” Kyle said it is a programmed first thought to think they aren't really doing that.  It's like a veil of ignorance that we have to shut that part of our brain off: the part that connects with someone else's suffering. We say, “Well it's not real, it's just on instagram” when the reality is “that is actually someone's body being tortured.”Maggie asks, “How do we collectively engage what we are experiencing?” She said she believes the violence against African Americans is happening. Maggie says that the closer the violence is to our actual location, the more we feel it in our bodies physically. Feeling in our bodies moves us to action. When we are not feeling it than it's very easy to detach and remain disengaged. How do we find shalom collectively? Bobby said the veil of ignorance is to seek shalom individually. Movement towards peace is not individual, it's communal. Danielle was writing about greed used 1 Timothy 6:9 in the French going after a debt on Cinco de Mayo. She says, “we've been lulled into sleep…We're plunged into our desire for greed. And greed leads to harm and destruction for us. This is not a free pass.” Shalom for majority culture that does not trickle down to others, is not Shalom at all. How do we engage these idols of greed and power in our society, as dominate culture and do more than talk? It has to have some tangible action. Theoretical process doesn't do anything.Kyle mentions desegregation and drastic action that seemed to help. But we've undone that with redlining and we end up isolating ourselves from each other. Kyle asks what we need is radical policies? Radical actions? Kyle used to be a 4th grade teacher and when he taught about Martin Luther King, Jr. he  started with America being founded on slavery. He wanted to widen the students perceptive because there is this false belief that racial issues were resolved in the 60s with MLK.  He admits he was under that veil. But it doesn't feel like it serves our kids to perpetuate this false reality that racial issues have been resolved—what he believes we really need is to teach a different history. The systems disrupt truth! He wants to know: How do we have real radical action?Bobby compared his own life with a friend of his of the same age but a different race. He friend has been in and out of the system and Bobby said he would really fit in at the Seattle School with the way his mind works and his knowledge and experiences. But his great grandfather wasn't able to get a home loan, and Bobby's great grandfather was. Bobby was able to buy his home by buying against the equity of his great grandfather… His friend was never able to do that. Bobby mentions reparations – The question he asks is where is the gap? It is a knowledge gap? The equity gap can be traced back to the GI bill and redlining. And how do we right those wrongs?Danielle says individuals need to take action. Systems are made up of people. ON our own we're insignificant. But together we can do more. Her friend had a stimulus check and used it to pick up chrome books for Danielle's kids and another family so they could have tablets to work on for school at home. That's someone creating equity in a system!A really practical thing for listeners to do is to donate their stimulus check to someone who doesn't have access to technology or internet. And to not superimpose with restrictions, a gift free and clear.---Kyle is reading: Boys in the Boat by Daniel James BrownKyle is listening to: Hilary McBride's Other People's ProblemsKyle is inspired by: This conversation.  Bobby is reading: Love in a Fearful Land by Henri NouwenBobby is listening to: Randy Woodley, Mark Charles, any people who talking about CommunityBobby is inspired by: Stories of resilience Resource to process whiteness: PLEASE READ IN COMMUNITY My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa MenakemUnsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery by Mark Charles and Soong-Chan RahMirror to the Church: Resurrecting Faith After Genocide in Rwanda by Emmanuel Katongole and Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove

Mark Charles is running as an Independent Candidate for President of the United States to build a nation where—for the first time—‘We the People' truly means ALL the people. He is the author of the forthcoming book Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery. We talk about the doctrine of discovery, how the choice America faced in the presidential election of 2016 was actually between explicit racism & implicit racism, & how he, as a former pastor, navigates questions of both Native & Christian identity. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/sonofapreacherman/ Visit Jonathan's Website: http://www.jonathanmartinwords.com/ Watch The Zeitcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdHzTuNKhTK-AZjfmkxQiww Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! Edited and produced by Reese Black