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For the finale of Revolutions Per Movie's Pavement Week, we are joined by Pavement's Spiral Stairs (aka Scott Kannberg) & Robert Greene, editor/producer of the new documentary Pavements.We discuss its kaleidoscopic storytelling, which weaves together a star-studded biopic, a traditional band documentary, a Pavement museum, and the Pavement jukebox musical all into a feature-length film.We also talk about Robert's long-term push-pull artistic relationship with the film's director Alex Ross Perry, Spiral's involvement with Louder Than You Think (a documentary about early Pavement drummer Gary Young), the process of recording the Pavement EP Watery, Domestic, the sadness surrounding Pavement's initial breakup, how the film helped Spiral appreciate what the band accomplished, the epic saga of Spiral vs. Lollapalooza, how the "biopic" in Pavements cut close to the bone while still being completely false, the elevated mystery surrounding Pavement, why their three-sided record Wowee Zowee influenced the final edit of the film, the forthcoming soundtrack LP, the future of Pavement and much more!There's no culture!!! There's no spies!!!So let's end Pavement Week with this heartfelt, inspiring, and hilarious episode of Revolutions Per Movie.PAVEMENT: pavementband.com/REVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Click here to get EXCLUSIVE BONUS WEEKLY Revolutions Per Movie content on our Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, we will be celebrating Revolutions Per Movie's Pavement Week with episodes that are Pavement to the max. For today's episode (#2 of 5), we present an encore airing of our discussion with the director & producers of the amazing Gary Young/Pavement documentary ‘LOUDER THAN YOU THINK,' which is one of the best music documentaries I have seen in recent years and also one of the most enlightening about Pavement.We discuss how surprisingly open the members of Pavement were to discussing Gary, Gary's legendary home studio where he played drums and recorded Pavement's early records, the incredible marionettes that were built specifically for the film, what it was like for Brian to be in bands with Gary in the early 80s, the surprise explosion of Pavement's success, Gary's love of Prog rock and superstardom, the night Gary served mashed potatoes out of wheelbarrows to audience members, Malkmus's PTSD from working with Gary, the age differences in the band, the battle between lo-fi and professional goals, Gary's origin story from NY to CA, guitarist Spiral Stairs finding a box of unknown VHS tapes from their first Pavement tour, Rollerball, the blam-o-meter, Gary's wife Geri, the trauma of him leaving the band after overstepping his role, Gary's band Hospital, Beavis and Butthead, Gary's serious advice column in a Japanese magazine, Gary's struggle with addiction, the Watery, Domestic EP, Gary's reaction to the film & the time he disrupted his own film premiere by heckling the documentary.So let's do collective handstands while the band plays onwards as we celebrate PAVEMENT WEEK on Revolutions Per Movie!STREAM LOUDER THAN YOU THINK HERE:https://www.factorytwentyfive.com/louder-than-you-thinkREVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Click here to get EXCLUSIVE BONUS WEEKLY Revolutions Per Movie content on our Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week we are joined by the director and producers of the amazing Gary Young/Pavement documentary ‘LOUDER THAN YOU THINK,' one of the best music documentaries I have seen in recent years and also one of the most enlightening about Pavement. We discuss how surprisingly open the members of Pavement were to discussing Gary, Gary's legendary home studio where he played drums and recorded Pavement's early records, the incredible marionettes that were built specifically for the film, what it was like for Brian to be in bands with Gary in the early 80s, the surprise explosion of Pavement's success, Gary's love of Prog rock and superstardom, the night Gary served mashed potatoes out of wheelbarrows to audience members, Malkmus's PTSD from working with Gary, the age differences in the band, the battle between lo-fi and professional goals, Gary's origin story from NY to CA, guitarist Spiral Stairs finding a box of unknown VHS tapes from their first Pavement tour, Rollerball, the blam-o-meter, Gary's wife Geri, the trauma of him leaving the band after overstepping his role, Gary's band Hospital, Beavis and Butthead, Gary's serious advice column in a Japanese magazine, Gary's struggle with addiction, the Watery, Domestic EP, Gary's reaction to the film & the time he disrupted his own film premiere by heckling the documentary.So let's do collective handstands while the band plays onwards...on this week's episode of Revolutions Per Movie!STREAM LOUDER THAN YOU THINK HERE:https://www.factorytwentyfive.com/louder-than-you-thinkREVOLUTIONS PER MOVIE:Host Chris Slusarenko (Eyelids, Guided By Voices, owner of Clinton Street Video rental store) is joined by actors, musicians, comedians, writers & directors who each week pick out their favorite music documentary, musical, music-themed fiction film or music videos to discuss. Fun, weird, and insightful, Revolutions Per Movie is your deep dive into our life-long obsessions where music and film collide.The show is also a completely independent affair, so the best way to support it is through our Patreon at patreon.com/revolutionspermovie. By joining, you can get weekly bonus episodes, physical goods such as Flexidiscs, and other exclusive goods.Revolutions Per Movies releases new episodes every Thursday on any podcast app, and additional, exclusive bonus episodes every Sunday on our Patreon. If you like the show, please consider subscribing, rating, and reviewing it on your favorite podcast app. Thanks!SOCIALS:@revolutionspermovieBlueSky: @revpermovieTHEME by Eyelids 'My Caved In Mind'www.musicofeyelids.bandcamp.comARTWORK by Jeff T. Owenshttps://linktr.ee/mymetalhand Click here to get EXCLUSIVE BONUS WEEKLY Revolutions Per Movie content on our Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

jD and Brian Glaser get together this week on the Pavement Top 50 Countdown. They of course discuss Brian's Pavement origin story and then they reveal and talk about track 23 on the countdown.Transcript: Track 1:[0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50.Track 2:[0:02] A stone-cold classic. This is the eighth song on our list from Pavement's penultimate album, Bright in the Corners. At 24, it's in. Jamie, what are your initial thoughts about this song? I think I remember really liking it kind of when I, you know, when you buy Bright in the Corners, you put it on, you go through the album, and it feels like a sensible, good closing song. The name kind of gives it away.Track 1:[0:30] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown.Track 3:[0:38] Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads. I then tabulated the result, choosing an abacus and a woman named Helen, who frankly looked kind of lost. How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week we're joined by Pavement superfan, Brian from New Jersey. Brian, how are you doing, motherfucker? I'm doing alright. How are things in Canada? Things are just dynamite. the sky is bright blue the clouds are nice and fluffy it's sunny you know i'll take sunny even if it's a little bit below zero just uh rather than that gray shit that just you know ruins everything yeah how about you everything's great here yeah it's you know it's uh it's the weekend just getting to hang out i'm getting to talk about pavement yeah that's pretty good right, Well, let's do that then. Let's get your Pavement Origins story.Track 3:[1:52] So my Pavement Origins story, I feel like it is the most down-the-middle, ordinary one. But it's also, from listening to your podcast, it's essentially the inverse of yours. Okay. So I was a college radio DJ in the early 90s. And our college radio station, the music director, would call us into his dorm like once a week or once every other week uh all the djs would come in and he would have all of the recent releases and we would hit play and just see what was happening and what we might want to play on our radio shows and stuff like that and i remember.Track 3:[2:32] Slanted and enchanted dropping into this gathering and you know he hits play on summer babe um and And it was amazing. You know, I'm also, I'm a drummer, so I'm listening to this. And this great song, one of the hooks is the hi-hats. Yeah, that hi-hat wiggle or whatever you want to call it. What do you call that? I don't know. Wiggles as good as anything. But like, think of another song where like part of the hook is, you know, a little hi-hat flourish. So that blew my mind. And then, you know, Trigger Cut comes right after that. So I went from never hearing of this band to, you know, I'm in my, I'm probably like 19, sitting in a college dorm, listening to Slanted and Enchanted, and I am a billion percent in. Like, it's everything I like.Track 3:[3:30] It's everything I love. So, I was then just like, I was there for each record coming out, and I bought them as they came out. And I went to see the Crooked Rain tour, and I saw them on Lollapalooza, and I saw the Brighton the Corners tour. And I think by the time Bright in the Corners came out, I was a music journalist in Philadelphia. And I'm pretty sure I wrote a review of Bright in the Corners for somewhere.Track 3:[4:03] I bought Terror Twilight. So I bought all of them when they came out. I did not see – I missed the Terror Twilight show. I went to the other night of the matador anniversary show because the other one was headlined by Yola Tango and they're my number one I don't miss them uh and a buddy of mine went to the other one said that the pavement show that was when he had like the uh Malcolm has had the handcuffs dangling off of his microphone stand to show his displeasure um Um, And then, you know, after that, it just, it went from being a present tense thing to pavement went into past tense and I bought the reissues when they came out. Um, but I wasn't, when they got back together and we're playing in central park, I think my son had just been born. So I didn't go see that, but they were really just kind of a past tense thing for me. And then kind of two additional things happened. The first was the pandemic.Track 3:[5:16] And just because of the kind of music guy I am, when we got sent home to work remotely, I listen to music when I work from home and I like to set little projects or parameters for myself to make it interesting. I'll be like, today I'm only going to listen to songs that this drummer is on or whatever I'm going to do. Oh, cool. And since I thought we were just going home for like a month or two, I was like, I'm only going to listen to stuff I have on vinyl. No CDs, no streaming. It's just going to be vinyl. It'll make me stand up every 20 minutes and, you know, it'll just be like a fun little parameter because I have a bunch of vinyl, but it's not the biggest part of my collection. And the only pavement I had on vinyl, I had this extra live LP that Matador sold along with the Bright in the Corner, Nicene Creed's reissue.Track 3:[6:20] It's okay. But I also had Terror Twilight, which I had listened to. I bought it on vinyl, I listened to it, and I was like, eh, there's no spiral songs on here. It feels kind of clean. It just didn't connect. But by that time, I was listening to your podcast, and this was the only one that under my rules I could really listen to. So i listened to the shit out of terror twilight you know in 2020 so it had you know it'd been out and somewhere in the back of my head for a while but i really engaged with it um and so now i'm like all in on terror twilight all these years later and you know then they came back for their latter-day reunion shows. And my buddy and I turned 50 as they rolled into Brooklyn. And so we're like, and he lives not far from King's Theater, so we're like, we're going. And we went to one of the King's Theater nights in Brooklyn. And this is like the fourth or fifth time I've seen them. And, and, Suddenly, this was the best I'd ever seen them play.Track 3:[7:33] This is what I'm hearing. This is what I'm hearing about 2022. It was amazing. I guess I would describe when I went to those shows during the initial run, everyone was playing their parts as best they could, which was very good, but they were all just kind of doing their part of the band. Yeah. On this tour, they were together. I thought so, too.Track 3:[8:26] Enchanted in college when it came out. and we're looking at each other like we couldn't believe that this was the best pavement show we'd ever seen that's amazing it just didn't seem possible um right you know because that's not what reunion tours are for no not typically um and then i'll just add you know as part of my origin story it's been it's made me have a different extension of my origin story listening to you and the other people you have on the podcast who generally seem to have come in around Terror Twilight or even after the initial run.Track 3:[9:05] This may sound pretentious or silly or whatever you want to say, but it felt like you're not as invested in the narrative that popped up around Pavement in that initial run and that every record that came out was colored by the Pavement story. Does that make sense? Yeah, I think so. You know, because I think, especially with like Wowie Zowie Bright in the Corners and Terror Twilight, when those came out, They were part of like a reaction to what had happened the year before with them. And it was hard to listen to those just sort of on their own merits because you were listening to them as part of the narrative.Track 3:[9:50] And it's fun, like getting the chance to listen to them, not like that, sort of inspired by the way you're hearing them and your experience with them and the other people that you talk to. And it's really, it's changed my relationship with a lot of the records and a lot of the songs. Oh, wow. Do you have a specific example of a song? Well, I think I'll give an album example instead. The narrative of Bright in the Corners when it came out was, A, they got the shit back together after the wowie-zowie being all over the place. And also, everyone, maybe especially people who are music journalists, were very into the R.E.M. Connection because of the production. So I was sort of talking myself into hearing REM in that record, you know, because I'd heard Unseen Power, The Picket Fence, and I knew that they had REM's producers and all that. So I was like, I listened to it as their REM record. I've never thought of that. That's great. Yeah. Great. Well, and now I can just listen to it as, you know, here's some amazing Spiral Stairs songs and here's the band really playing together. Like that one might be the closest to how they're sounding now.Track 3:[11:18] That's a good call. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. So yeah, so that's an example of how it's changed here, getting out of the narrative. I'll also say something that colored my initial run through Pavement, and I don't think I've heard you talk about this before, is when they were at their initial peak, they were this huge and overwhelming influence on like indie rock so like i remember i was at maxwell's the week that crooked rain coming out not seeing pavement but just another band with you know two distorted guitars and a slacky attitude or whatever and in between all their songs they They talked about Crooked Rain.Track 3:[12:08] That was their stage banter. It was so... Are you serious? Yeah. It was just when Pavement did something, this small but invested community talked about it. And I remember getting the CD to review from this band called Number One Cup that no one's ever heard of. They didn't last very long. I think they only put out like one or two records. And the first song on the album, I remember kind of digging it, but feeling like it felt really familiar. So I'm playing it a few times. And I realized you could sing the lyrics to Summer Babe to this song. And they were essentially just making Pavement songs. They were completely ripping them off. Well, I don't think they were ripping them off. I think they were influenced too heavily. That's so nice. But that's the thing is like Pavement was this huge influence because-Track 3:[13:17] A lot of the other things happening at that time were, strangely enough, when you go back and listen to the Pavement catalog, was a lot noisier than Pavement.Track 3:[13:29] Archers of Loaf, Sonic Youth, Super Chunk, all that stuff, those are louder and punkier than Pavement for the most part. I'm not saying Pavement had a clean sound or anything like that. No, but Crooked Rain is pretty straightforward, you know, and then, like you said a moment ago, Bright in the Corners is, I don't understand how that didn't sell a jillion copies, you know? I know. It's such a good record. Not that the other ones aren't, but it's like mainstream good. Yeah i i mean i think my if i'm putting my critic hat on i think the answer to that is they chose the wrong single um stereo is a weird single right um i don't think anyone hearing that would be like get that right on the radio and you know this is my new pop thrill here right maybe start with shady lane yeah uh start with shady lane something like something like that, could have done it, but also I mean, honestly, cut your hair was a fluke, and I think it created this idea that Pavement could have hit singles, and maybe that just wasn't true.Track 3:[14:50] That's fair. Do you think it's true? Do you think they could have been a hit singles band?Track 3:[14:59] There's just some song every once in a while you hear it's not like father to a sister of thought um like i can see that being in like, like on a tv show like playing in the background near the end of the show and you know they're wrapping things up but no i suppose you're right few and far between there you know there's a There's a few that you can look at and say, okay, yeah, yeah, this has got the makeup of a mainstream hit song. But you're right, not many, because they were doing things that were very different than the mainstream. Very different. Yeah, and I remember going to the Lollapalooza when they were on the main stage. And you've seen the videos of people throwing mud at them and stuff like that. But part of the problem was that stage was just too big for them at that point. They can do it now, but I don't think they were ready for that.Track 3:[16:03] And you saw that show, you said, right? Not the one with the mud. I saw them in Camden, New Jersey on the Lollapalooza, you know, on that tour. And was it apparent there as well? Like it just. Yeah. Cause you know, I, I was sitting out on the lawn. It's, you know, it was touring those kinds of sheds where there's the seats up front and then a big lawn in the back and it's a summer day and you got your little pick a a mcbasket and your blanket and all that and it didn't really translate that far back in.Track 3:[16:35] A way that you know like cypress hill and sonic youth and even back who were on that tour like it translated into the bigger venue and they didn't wow that is wild stuff and i mean i don't mean that as a criticism no i think it's just you know it was the superpowers they had at the time it was you know it was more intimate um and it was you know again i don't think they had whatever it is that they've gathered up with age wisdom whatever you want to call it at this point where they can go out and you know jam on the hex or whatever for 10 minutes um and really make it work i don't think they had that in their arsenal yet no i suppose you're right.Track 3:[17:32] Yeah touring wasn't wasn't their strong strong point you know and yet it was fun and yet every show you saw or every every show that i've ever heard people talk about was amazing you know Because of the venue and because of the context and that good stuff. Yeah. And I mean, it could also be that part of their target audience is, you know, guys like me, guys like you who are, you know, ready to have that rush of emotion from, you know, from the experience that, you know, in our 20s or whatever was just kind of maybe we weren't mature enough for or open enough to. Yes. Yes. Well, should we flip the side here and talk about song number 23? Let's do it. Okay, we'll take a quick break and we'll be back with song number 23.Track 1:[18:35] Hey, this is Bob Mustanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening. And now on with a countdown.Track 3:[21:47] Well, there it is on the Top 50 Countdown. Song number 23 is the Spiral Stairs Gem, Kennel District. Brian from New Jersey.Track 3:[21:59] Give me the goods. This is ridiculously underrated. I'm going to say this one's top five. Well, or I'll caveat that. Either this or Date with Ikea, which in my mind, they're kind of, they're like, fraternal twin songs um you gotta have a spiral song in the top five like the pavement founding documents say this is a band founded by sm and spiral stairs and if that top five is all, coming out of malchemist i think you've done something wrong you know and if you're gonna have a spiral song in the top five i i would do this one um it's it's amazing i mean it was It was a lot of fun on the reunion tour. Yes. And that's, you know, I remember the night I went to King's Theater, they did not play Summer Babe and they did not play Here, but they played Kennel District. And I remember having like my little list of songs in my head that I was going to be bummed if I walked out and they didn't play. And that was one of them. But they tore it up. It was like it was a highlight of the show. Wow. Yeah, that's great.Track 3:[23:17] And, you know, one of the things, you know, I mentioned earlier, I'm listening to this a little bit as a drummer. One of the things I hear in the song, and I'm curious if you hear this too, I think it's a Gary drum beat in this tune.Track 3:[23:34] Really? Yeah, it's got that little off-kilter stumble. It's not evenly distributed beats. It kind of lurches a little bit as it's going forward. I hear it as Westy playing a Gary beat rather than playing Westy style on this. You know, there's something to that, because in my conversations with Spiral, and then the tracks that ended up, I think, on the Nicene Creators edition, where it's just Gary and Spiral doing songs. Maybe it was around Terror of Twilight time, actually, where it was them doing songs. And, uh...Track 3:[24:30] You know scott's always had a a pretty big place in his heart for gary you know so i wonder if you know in in creating the song even he was like westy can you give me something garyish you know yeah that's interesting it's there and you know i think the other reason i i love the song is like even though this is you know halfway through the catalog in in wowie zowie i don't know I know that this would have been completely out of place on the early EPs. So it's got that overdriven driving guitar. It's got the Gary beat. It's got the distorted vocals, but then the sing-along or shout-along refrain that carries you out. Like, it's, you know, if you place this next to, you know, on the same seven inches debris slide, I don't think you'd be like, one of these was recorded many years later, and I can hear it so clearly. You know, I think they're akin. It's got a little bit more sheen, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like the ingredients and the style are classic pavement rather than ladder pavement or whatever you want to call it. Right, right.Track 3:[25:56] Yeah, I think if you have a beat on what it could be about. No, like this. Like any pavement song, too tough, right? Right. It's too tough. And this one is even like I was doing a little internet trolling for the lyrics. Like the internet doesn't even agree what these lyrics are. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, I found, you know, especially the first line of the second verse, you know, I found the one I've got up on my screen right now says, I can't believe she's married to Roe, like fish egg Roe. I have too. And there's no way it's that. And I remember just in Googling a little, I found a couple other theories, but I find that hard to believe that's the lyric. Yeah, me too.Track 3:[26:53] Maybe that's why he's so incredulous. You can't believe it. Yeah, maybe. I also know that there's a lot of songwriters, and you've talked to Spiral a lot, so maybe he's given you some more insight into his process. But I know when you hear from a lot of songwriters, they talk about laying down the track first and just kind of putting some nonsense sounds or lyrics over it. And then some people will sit and write something very considered and serious when they go to do the lyrics. And then some people be like, oh, I almost said the word robe there. I guess I'll just stick with it. I wonder if that's what happened here.Track 3:[27:37] Yeah, because it's an interesting song because you're right. I don't quite know what it's about, but it makes me feel something. Because of the chorus. Um whatever you want to call it why didn't i ask why didn't i ask why didn't i ask and then going out there's something really like almost painful about that question you know like you really feel for the protagonists here like yeah what the fuck man why didn't you ask and what were you asking about and why is it important to you and all the rest but at the very least can Can you answer me the question? Why didn't you ask? Right. And then the delivery with the guitars, the beat, the buildup, you're not only singing along about regret, but you're doing it with your fist in the air. You're just like, you're all jacked up about regret. And there's nothing not to love about this song. Yeah. It's a good one.Track 3:[28:47] And I'm kind of curious. Chris, I know you've talked to Spiral a lot. Based on the sort of relationship you've built up with him over the last few years, do you have a sense of what he goes for in his songwriting, like how he's expressing himself? Yeah.Track 3:[29:09] It's really changed, I think. I think that his vocal has become much more of a tool. He used to sort of sing with that almost break, almost that pubescent break when he sang, and now his voice is sharp. It is right on. So I think he takes advantage of that a little bit more when writing a song, not lyric wise, but when he's writing a song in general, like he can be more melodic. And that's nice. Like that medley attack is a great record. It's a really good record. I'm going to listen to it today because it's really good. And then of course i i just can't help but draw the parallel between terror twilight and let it be.Track 3:[30:02] With paul and john completely shutting george out of the process and then george turns around and comes out with all all things must pass and it's holy shit it's a double record filled with some of the best songs you've ever heard and he had that in him and spiral came out with psoi and And while it's not all things must pass, it's holy shit, you were sitting on all these songs and you couldn't put one on fucking Terror of Twilight? You know? Yeah. And you know, I think one of the reasons I didn't connect with Terror of Twilight at the beginning is...Track 3:[30:39] Spiral to me is that the actual analogy i would use is lee ronaldo in sonic youth oh okay when you have those sonic youth records like you know obviously thurston and kim are the marquee and core sounds in there but like daydream nation without eric's trip and without hey joni it's not the masterpiece that it is without those and the lee ronaldo songs like Like they fit in the band, but they're a little off to the side of the rest of it. And, you know, it's super melodic and it's fun, but it's not what Thurston and Kim do for the rest of the record. And you're always like, when that, you know, when Moat or Disappearer pops up, I think those are his two on Goo.Track 3:[31:29] When those pop up on Goo, you're like, yeah, here we go. We're hearing Disappearer now. Now um did do i have that right that disappears the you're asking the wrong dude i'll have to do a sonic youth uh podcast at some point i mean initially that was my like i had a blind spot with early pavement i had a blind spot with the eps um like the three eps and so i thought well i'll do a podcast where i listen to each ep and you know talk about the ep and i was like well why don't i just do it like song by song you know and then that way i get to listen to everything thing and that's that was the genesis of this little beast yeah and i think you know with sonic youth you'd have the same experience where you know you're moving along and it's the songs you're used to and then this this gem pops up that's you know of a different color and a different tone a different palette and i think that's what spiral brings to these pavement records yeah i would agree with that and the shows like when you get that spiral break when kennel district comes out or date with ikea you're like yeah fuck yeah here we go we're doing this now yeah and we'll get back to that that malchmus thing but it's a great um like i i don't want to say interlude because that's not maybe it's like a great counterpoint.Track 3:[32:50] Yeah there's a bit of yin and yang right yeah absolutely sorry well uh i'll just repeat that my dogs are both in here yeah there's a bit of yin and yang right yeah absolutely, and you know being a fan of the Spiral songs doesn't make you less of a Pavement fan or even less of a Malchemist fan it's just, he's one of the main ingredients again it's this band was started by SM and Spiral Stairs so without him it's not Pavement right, I couldn't yeah I couldn't agree more.Track 3:[33:27] Well, Brian from New Jersey, do you have anything that you would like to plug or discuss with people on the World Wide Web? I guess the only thing I'll plug, I was playing drums in a band here in New Jersey that is now defunct. It went away with the pandemic, but we have stuff up on Bandcamp and everywhere. It's called Diecast Cars.Track 3:[33:52] Diecast Cars. Yeah, like the toy cars for kids. It would appeal very much appeal to fans of pavement we are noisy and a little sloppy but a little poppy and a little rocky and all that kind of stuff and uh the the guitars are loud and and we also have the one of the guitar players you know didn't write as much as the other but he's like he's the spiral the ronaldo of a die-cast cars and that he's got you know two or three things in the what we have on the band camp page and their gems um you know not not to take away from the other guy but you know when they come up you're like okay we're getting we're getting into a different frequency for a few minutes and then we'll we'll go back to that other one cool well check out diecast cars on band camp everybody it's been great talking to to you today brian from new jersey uh you've you've got some wild theories and um some theories that i can actually cleave on to and uh kennel district again at number 23 so this is a lot of fun man too low a lot of fun so uh take care and uh we'll talk to you soon brian and everybody else wash your goddamn hands thanks.Track 1:[35:17] For listening to meeting malchus a pavement podcast where we count down the top 50 pavement tracks as selected by you if you've got questions or concerns.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dublin singer-songwrriter Danny Carroll released his debut solo album I am the Cheese on March 1. He talks through the nine tracks on this TPOE 304. --- Press release: Part of the Dublin music scene for years, Danny Carroll is co-curator of A Litany Of Failures compilation series showcasing independent artists from across Ireland.  Having gigged in various projects, he's opened for kindred spirits such as Jeffrey Lewis and Pavement guitarist Spiral Stairs before the time came to work on his debut solo album. Enlisting the help of Belfast based producer Chris W. Ryan (New Dad, Just Mustard, Robocobra Quartet), the two developed songs with a playful, anything goes approach, with Carroll's songs likened to softer touchstones of indie rock - Silver Jews, Jonathan Richman, and Lee Hazlewood. --- Danny explains: I Am The Cheese is an album I initially recorded with Chris W. Ryan in a week in June 2021. We did this in a terraced house in East Belfast - visited by Carl Eccles on two occasions to play guitar and sing some backing vocals. In the months that followed, Finn McCarthy emailed me bass parts, and I added various bells and whistles to the songs from a flat on North Circular Road in Dublin 7. Laura Ryder also contributed piano to the song Cheesemonger. The drums were performed and recorded by Chris on one day in January 2022 in Start Together Studios. He then mixed the album, and eventually I got it mastered by the late, great John Davis (Blur, The XX, Careerist) who passed away in September 2023. I've sat on the album a long time, in part down due to vinyl pressing, in part due to personal reasons. The mental fortitude it takes to independently 'emerge' and 'unleash' is not always forthcoming. At this point the album feels like a distant document. Nevertheless, it's still something I'm happy to have made for myself. The title is taken from the 1977 Robert Cormier YA novel, which haunted my adolescence. The final lines of the novel refer back to the folk song 'The Farmer In The Dell': "The cheese stands alone. The cheese stands alone. Hi-ho, the derry-o! The cheese stands alone" For a number of reasons it felt fitting to lift that title. credits

jD is back and he's joined by Daniel from Chicago to discuss his Pavement origin story and dissect track number 38. Transcript: [0:00] Hey, it's JD here, and I just wanted to throw something down, somewhat of a challenge to all you musically inclined folks out there.We are going to be doing a pod list again this year, and a pod list is simply a podcast playlist.It's a pod list. The previous four pod lists have consisted of talented members of our Pavement community submitting songs that they have covered from the Pavement oeuvre.Pavement adjacent songs are also welcome. So you could do PSOI, you could do Jicks, you could do Malcolm is Solo.Anything is fair game, truly. So get your band together or grab an acoustic guitar and just play your fucking guts out.From there, submit the song to me by email and we'll go from there.So please submit those songs, jd at meetingmalkmus.com, or even better, use wetransfer.com if it's a big WAV file. And WAV files are what I prefer.That will work out just magnificently. That's what she said.Podlist 5 coming July 8th. So get those songs in and be a part of something special. Thanks so much.Now, on with the show.Track 3:[1:24] Previously on the pavement top 50.Track 2:[1:27] What do you have to say dan from rochester about playbook oh man so um first of all when i i listened to this a lot this week and there's three versions so i did some some deepdiving into comparing the different like studio versions that are out there but the first thing that surprised me was the length is relatively short it's slightly less than three and a half minutesand to me that song always felt like very epic.Track 3:[1:58] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown.Track 4:[2:05] Hey, it's J.D. here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for the seminal indie rock band, Pavement.Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballots.I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a six-pack.[2:24] Okay, there were only four left, but I was thirsty. see how will your favorite pavement song fare in the ranking you'll need to tune in to find out so there's that this week we're joinedby pavement superfan daniel daniel how are you doing motherfucker uh doing good how are you i am excellent today it's a bright and sunny day out i did a 10k walk it's uh just fantastic itis a good day it's like i'm in chicago and it's uh 50 degrees and so that's like summer so yeah right to have that in february is like just another another planet it's amazing yeah so let's getright into this let's talk about your pavement origin story daniel from chicago i am from a town in the south called montgomery alabama Okay.And I'm also 45, late Gen Xer.Discovering music in the early 90s, you really had to try to search out cool stuff, and especially in a shitty town like Montgomery, Alabama. Alabama.[3:42] There were like only one record store that was independent and you kind of had to like know a person to get there. And.[3:52] So that's a big part of my origin story is I am from a shitty place.And the more I get to know pavement, I realize that Stockton is a lot like Montgomery.It's strip malls and crime and not a lot to do, not a lot of real culture.So I see that connection now.When I was a teenager, I was into classic rock like Neil Young and Bob Dylan and Steve Miller Band, I guess, was my intro to what my dad showed me about rock and roll.But I started 10th grade and I noticed a guy had the iconic pavement sunny side up shirt. Right.And I said, this guy knows something. He kind of shined with this aura.And at the time, I didn't know much about indie rock or alternative rock.But I knew a lot about film.I was into Tarantino, and that led me to John Woo and other independent film.[5:17] I knew a lot about beat literature, like Kerouac and Ginsberg, Burroughs.So we met, and he helped me with the pavement and the Sonic Youth. We traded CDs.I traded VHS, independent film, with him.And we eventually started a shitty noise band in his garage.Oh, that is so cool. Yeah. Yeah. And we talked about Pavement and Sonic Youth, Daydream Nation.At the time, I think Crooked Rain was the big one, and Wowie was pretty big on our playlist.List um but i'm really thankful for that meeting and his taste was just um beyond anything of people from montgomery so i that's my story and i i continue to love pavement my entire lifehas been my favorite band and i felt very special uh having them as a part of my life and i i'm not sure who it was that said.[6:38] I think it might be Mark Arm from Mudhunt Honey said, when you listen to Pavement, you feel smarter.And I feel like I'm in on some kind of secret.Yeah. And I feel enlightened when I listen to Stephen Moutmiss and his poetry and his lyrics.I feel smarter. And coming from a place of like education was not valued and no culture, it meant a lot for me to like have pavement as this kind of avant-garde art band that led me todifferent bigger cities and bigger ideas.Is so so what was take take me through your experience daniel take me through that so you saw him wearing the sunny side up shirt what was the first spin like like what did you spin firstif you remember i remember and and what was going on in your head when you heard it i got crooked crooked rain crooked rain first and i remember the disc and people these days missout on the artwork of the disc right it's got that layer of like kind of red and maroon art.[8:01] And i spun it and i was like first off i've never heard uh a vocalist sound like this before right and i was like is he singing or is he like speaking um and they're in the liner notesthere's a picture of like a singer but i always thought it was that that was mouth mess or that was spiral stairs i wasn't sure but it turns out it's like just a random collage um i wasn't sure ifthe the singer was playing guitar or was just like singing.Wow. Like something from a different world completely. And unlike any music.[8:46] That i've uh ever encountered even since it's um now i can kind of associate what not miss was doing with like lou reed yes big time uh but at the time it was just like what is thisvocalist doing and then there were parts of the guitar playing it was like kind of dissonant guitar and i was like is are these guitars even in tune like it sounds like noise in some parts but somelodic and others and so melodic and others and that's their secret yeah um.[9:25] And then i started listening to the lyrics um the first song that comes to mind i wrote on my uh we used to have book covers of paper to cover the book i wrote the entire uh lyrics forstop breathing this is like the most poetic I don't know what he's talking about but I was also I went to it like an art high school and I was in creative writing and I would do my best to tryto emulate in my poetry what mountainous was doing with like his prose or his lyrics right Right, okay.So he was talking about, I think, stuff around a father-son relationship in that song, and I had struggles with my dad, and as we all probably do.Sure. And I was like, abstractly, he's talking about stuff that is really hitting home.And so there were some songs I didn't get at first, like...[10:39] But yeah we'll talk about some of that stuff later sure okay yeah um so that was your first experience with them and crooked rain what a great jumping off point and just to followup on you know like who's playing what and what are they doing it wasn't like you could tune into mtv at the time and see a great deal of pavement you know and and sort of match it uplike you could with with other bands.You know, in this case, they were so rarefied.It would be tough to get your hands on, you know, live footage or anything like that. So that leads me to my next question.When did you see them live? Did you see them live?First, my first concert by them was.[11:28] It must have been early my first semester at auburn university i went uh started uh 97, i went to birmingham alabama at a place called the nick i think that's what it is and so it musthave been september or october of 1997 and it was a like maybe uh, 100, 200 person venue. It was a very small venue.And me and my two friends from Auburn, we got there nerdy, super early and waited at the rail of the front row.[12:18] And it turns out that we were right across from Spiral Stairs guitar setup.Okay. And it was in support of Right in the Corners.So, amazing show.I think at the time, what they were doing was they were playing about 15 songs with an encore of three songs. And they played Credence.Sinister Purpose was their cover that they played.And they they had their set list on paper plates which i thought was very diy and cool and spiral at the end of the set uh he picked up his paper plate threw it like a frisbee and i caught it soi had the the set list i don't have it anymore but oh damn one time it was in my dorm it was in a collection as i moved around the country of course of course but i wish i had had thatamazing moment.Probably, I would say it's probably my third or fourth concert ever. Um, and.[13:35] I went to REM and Radiohead in support of Monster. That was my first.So it's in good company.Yeah, I bet. So how did you find like-minded people in uni?Was it easy or did you have to seek them out like you did in high school?Or how did you find your compatriots to go to that show with?This is so funny. uh the first day of english class the teacher asked what what what do we like and get to know you ice icebreaker questions and me and this guy cleave we both put thesame bands we really liked pavement number one lemon heads number two rem number three we we wrote those identically, and it's it's like this uh serendipitous kind of thing happenedwith us and we became, very close friends and at the time he was like really into pink floyd and i said hey man you got to get really back into pavements better than pink floyd so weobsess over our mutual love of malchmas and uh pavement so that that's how that connection happened but other times in my life i've never really found someone who says pavement's myfavorite band and maybe you're my probably my.[15:04] Like third person i they always seem to be like a french band no one is like so obsessed like i am or possibly you are.And that's okay with me. Like, this is something, it's very special kind of in this time where everything feels like homogenized.I'm glad that this is a special thing for a few of us.Yeah, I think so too. We can unite in that, unite in our solodom.In our solitude. dude. Um, What's your go-to record these days?[15:51] Well, it's grown. It's changed over time. Of course. As it should, probably.I think the most bang for your buck and artistic expression of what they represent is Wowie Zowie.Sure. Yeah, I can get behind that. It is their version of the White Album in that it is so many different genre attempts.And it feels loose it feels fun um it's thematically all over the place yeah and, i just it just feels like a real expression of what they were going for as a band yeah i i i'm not sure if it's likethe best album but for me i think it feels like pavement and what they wanted um and the the go-to for me i hope it makes your list is uh grave architecture okay i find that to bequintessential uh a pavement song but yeah Yeah, it's just so all over the place and wacky that I love it.What do you say we take a quick break and we come back on the other side of track number 38?Sounds good. All right, cool.Track 3:[17:18] Hey, this is Bob Mustanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening.And now on with a countdown.Track 2:[17:26] 38.Track 4:[20:04] Alright, track 38 is Date with Ikea, the first spiral jam on the countdown.It's the fifth from Pavement's fourth record, Bright in the Corners, after Blue Hawaiian at 50, Embassy Row at 44, Old to Begin at 43, and Starlings of the Slipstream at 40.Without further ado, number 38, Date with Ikea.Daniel from Chicago.Hey. Talk to me about your experience with this song.Well, it was the first Pavement album that I was able to buy on its release date.So it has a special place.It was released, I think it's April 17th, 1997.97 and i good went to my local mall and walked in and bought this album and, it's a banger it's a really fucking good album and 100% it's it it rocks and this song is a rocker and you feellike there's some shimmering layered guitar going on yeah Yeah. Um.[21:30] I'm not sure what the song's about. It feels like... Tough to discern.At the time, I didn't know what Ikea was.Now I know. I think it's a Norwegian furniture store, wholesale furniture.[21:50] So now I think I know what the meaning of the song is.Because I've had a date with Ikea. I bought a house, and I've had to go to Ikea to celebrate needing furniture.And I remember going to Ikea going, oh, this is what the song is about.Maybe domestication.Maybe it's a union.I like domestication. Yeah. But the lyrics are about a relationship strife.The actress is always breaking things. That made me think something's going wrong in the relationship or he's annoyed with his partner.Not sure. But Spiral's songs have always had their own feel to them.And this feels like a quintessential uh spiral stairs song not what what else does it sound like in those years maybe uh like super chunk like no pocky for kitty, i don't know if you know ofany other bands that might sound like but.[23:08] No, because it's tough, because his cuts sort of stand alone on a pavement record, because they're so radically different than the stuff that SM does, right?I think that's what I'm trying to get at, yeah.[23:24] But lyrically, you can go down the same bottomless pit with both of their lyrics.I think Malk tends to be, he's got the turn of phrase, right?He's got the gift for a turn of phrase in a way that Spiral doesn't necessarily have the same horsepower at this stage in the game.If you listen to PSOI, like that first record, All This Sounds Gas, man, is he firing on all cylinders on that record.I think so. So that is prime beef.And I love it. Uh, his two outings on brighten the corners are both, you know, I think they're both a great jumping off point for what you need to get from, from spiral. That's just my take.I think you're right. Uh, the idea that it can be on the same album and feel so different.[24:25] Right. And I'm okay with that. Sort of their secret weapon in a way, right i think so i there and i'm in a lot of ways i'm not sure uh spirals influence on what mountainous does that'skind of a mystery i i believe it showed up more on probably slanted and yeah the early stuff yeah the eps off the top i think they were much more collaborative collaborative but i'm likingwhat i hear this this is a rocker this feels like it's got the.[25:04] Almost like a classic rock feel to it of maybe tom petty in there and the heartbreakers, but um got the sing-along chorus here's the a weird thing about uh the spiral Spiral stuff.When I would go to the shows, the crowd would cheer so much for Spiral.It was almost like we were rooting for this underdog.[25:40] And when spiral was playing his, uh, cuts like mountainous, what it seemed like he didn't know what he was supposed to be doing.He would not, he wouldn't have a guitar part to it. He, he would just kind of like Panama. I'm playing guitar.And, but I noticed how much the crowd would get behind, uh, like spirals chance to shine.Shine so you happen to see any dates on the most recent tour in 2022 i did i saw one of the chicago okay i found that steve was much more uh on board with the spiral stuff if if for lack ofa better term if he wasn't on board in the earlier years and i don't know that i'm i'm prescribing that on him.I shouldn't, but I sort of am.And I just feel like they were much more cohesive, like band-wise, this time out.I saw the same thing, and I think I read in interviews where Mountmess before had seemed kind of apprehensive to put his ball in the pavement court, per se.He was very much on board with being a band that was reuniting and good vibes in general yeah but at the time i think what you notice about uh.[27:07] Bright in the corners is oh he's starting to get his own voice mountainous right and it's, it has to feel um daunting to have other people in the band wanting to collaborate whenyou're you're like really finding your groove.So with Wowie, there's, I think, maybe one spiral cut, Brighton two, but then with Terror zero, you're starting to see, Mount Missus realizing that I have something to say and I want it tobe the singular vision.[27:53] That's just my take. I add a lot of meaning and interpretation that might not be there.No, that's what we do with our favorite bands, right?They add, they give us that to sort of interpret. But I feel like.[28:09] Mount miss really was hitting his groove and maybe spiral was hitting his groove as well and they just it was a sign that they needed to take some time off hey listen i don't want tomake this comparison too apt but it's interesting to me that having watched the beatles documentary george is shut out of that song and then he immediately rips off all things must passwhich which is a double record, which just shows like how he had all these songs in the bag.And it's like, how did John and how did John and Paul not include any of his stuff on Let It Be?And then, you know, 40 years later or 30 years later, you have Terror Twilight, which I think is sorely lacking a spiral song.Like, I think that there's part of that record that, that, you know, because a lot of people, it's their number five.And I think it's their number five, because it doesn't sound like a pavement record, necessarily.It sounds lush and rich, production-wise.I continue to call it a beta test for Steve's first solo record.[29:27] It's just interesting to me that it's lacking this something, and I think that something is a Spiral Gem. you might be on to something with that.And, and I'm, I'm, I'm, while I'm glad they both had a great solo careers, um, it is, it's sort of missing something.Yeah. So where do you think in terms of the ranking, this comes in at 38, what do you think, uh, is it properly rated?Is it overrated? Is it underrated? Uh.[30:02] I'm a little, I've been thinking about this. I think it might be overrated.If you would have asked me in 1997, I would have said it should be up there in the 30s.I don't think this has aged for me as well as it should have. I don't know.[30:25] Nowadays, I listen to Brighton and I go, what's the song three on there?Oh, he had to ask me that.I'm cool and underqualified is who I am. I don't have that stuff at my fingertips. No, I've got this.So if you listen to Transport is Arranged. Okay.Going right into Old to Begin. Yeah. Those...It kind of is in between transport and old to begin.And I feel like those are like way stronger songs.Like, and also those are songs where Malcolm is really starting to have his own voice.And it's like very unique rock.And I think those songs, since I heard old to begin, it's like 44 or 43.I I think it's I think those two songs Transport and Old to Begin, are better than Date with Ikea so for some reason I'm feeling like.[31:40] The lack of cohesion of this album, give it a shot, listen to it without Date With Ikea.It's a different album, and it's an interesting choice by the engineers and the producers to put Date in between those two.I think it should be ranked lower. I'm sorry, JD. No, that's okay.That's why I asked the question.[32:08] Hopefully uh transport somewhere in the top 50 i think that's such a a fucking rocker and it's so heavy at the end um but yeah i would put date and probably in my uh, a little bitlower would it crack the top 50 still i don't think so i if i'm going to be completely honest it's going to be in the lower 50 maybe 60s or 70s okay wow you heard it here here first folks stilllove it chicago still love it though it's one of his children but he just disparaged it uh daniel do you have anything that you would like to plug at all is there anything that you're known foron the internet or oh let me tell you i am a therapist here in chicago and i uh as you can see by my uh many plaques on the wall i'm trained to do uh psychotherapy Therapy in the westernsuburbs of Chicago.If you know anyone that wants therapy or wants to try it out for the first time, I specialize in anxiety, depression, addiction, and men's issues.Oh, boy. I ticked a few of those boxes.[33:26] My greatest hits right there. Yeah. Well, it's been great talking to you, and I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. So thanks for that.Thank you for having me on. It's my pleasure.Wash your goddamn hands.Track 3:[33:43] Thanks for listening to Meeting Malcomus, a pavement podcast where we count down the top 50 pavement tracks as selected by you.If you've got questions or concerns, please shoot me an email.JD at meetingmalcomus.com.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

jD is back and he's got some questions for Spiral Stairs. Transcript:[0:12] Hey.[0:15] It's JD here and I'm back for another episode of the Meeting Malcomus podcast.How are you doing, motherfuckers? I hope you're doing well on this lovely Monday, December 25th, Christmas for some of you.I hope you are with family and friends regardless and are just enjoying yourself.If you're not, well then what can I do to help you?Maybe a spiral stairs interview? It's a wide-ranging piece.Uh we talk everything from riding lawnmowers to uh well there's a delicious scoop in here that you're going to need to save up for in 2024 so i hope you're ready for that uh i'll let spiraltell that story though uh i i also have a scoop of my own and that is that next week we will be be releasing the trailer for our new Pavement-themed podcast, the countdown, the PavementTop 50 countdown.And in a staggering piece of news that I'm revealing here in the intro, I don't tell Spiral this, I'm actually going to count down the whole 100.I'm going to count down the top 100.On the bonus feed, I'll be counting down from 100 to 51 every week.There will be a new episode in in the bonus feed.[1:42] Three bucks a month to sign up for, 20 bucks for the year. You can't go wrong.It's going to last a year, this whole excursion into the countdown. So there's that.Enough shilling. Let's celebrate. Let's.[2:03] Raise a glass of milk to the end of another day.That's what I have for you and why don't we kick it off with a song first before we head right into that interview this is For Sale, the Preston School of Industry on Meeting Malchmas apavement podcast.[2:27] There it is.Track 5:[5:29] I just remembered. Oh, shit. It's 10.Life of a rock star.Track 4:[5:38] Mowing the lawn on a Saturday.Track 5:[5:40] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It needs a little bit.Need some mowing. It's not a big lawn.It's just, you know, takes about 40 minutes or so.Track 4:[5:54] Gotcha.Track 5:[5:56] I used to have. I used to have a ride-on mower. Last time I lived in Australia, we had like an acre of land, so I had a ride-on mower. That was really fun.Track 4:[6:06] That would be fun. Got pulled around the side.Track 5:[6:10] Yeah, it was great. It was great. That would take like over an hour, maybe even more, to do that long.Yeah, I was pretty bored, so I think I would mow it once a week.So how you doing man yeah good yeah all good excellent all good the kid just graduated her primary school they yesterday so we're all excited here they start they start high school herein seventh grade so oh really yeah so now we've now she's on, she's on vacation now until she starts high school February maybe February 1st.They get quite a long break here.Track 4:[7:04] So they go back February 1st and when are they done?Track 5:[7:12] December 6th or something.Track 4:[7:15] Oh wow. So they go right through.Track 5:[7:19] Yeah yeah it's you know it's different we're opposite here in the southern hemisphere.[7:30] Where are you you're in Portland I'm in Portland right now yeah and I'm disappointed that it's not just indie music playing on all the, street signs or something you know other thanthe coffee and the beer are great yeah it's mostly mostly uh meth heads trying to step out of the way of meth heads, yeah well there's a lot of that too yeah geez.[8:03] So uh talk to me a little bit about touring because it seems like you guys have been on the road for two years now Yeah, sort of.I mean, you know, 2022 was...Were on the road for a lot of, I mean, not really.I mean, it was kind of off and on, you know, I mean, really the only major touring we did was, uh, the U S tour.And then, you know, the kind of the European tour, which kind of just came right after that.And then we just did, you know, the odd festival and, um, and then it just, we just kept getting offers to play, you know, we, And so it kind of got, kind of led us through 2023, you know,to where we could, we did the Iceland thing.And then, you know, we had the Iceland offer. And so we just kind of built some shows around that.And then kind of the same thing with New York in, when was that?Track 4:[9:10] In the fall.Track 5:[9:11] In the fall. We just kind of built some, you know, shows around the festival offers we got.And, and yeah, and then now it's just, you know, we were always planning to do South America, but we were just kind of waiting for the right, the right offers.And so now that's taking us into 2024.And there are a lot of but yeah it feels it feels like we've been on the road for a long time but it's it's actually we've had long breaks in between each each which is kind of cool because,you know kind of we have to get together every time, and rehearse so it's it's it's a nice reunion with everybody because you get together and you You know the songs, but it's just likegoing through them and making sure they're...Track 4:[10:06] Just going through endings and stuff like that.Track 5:[10:09] Yeah, yeah. So it's, yeah, we got to do that again.I don't know. I don't know where that's going to be. We're going to still trying to figure that out, but...[10:21] So that's exciting. I mean, it's in May.And then I don't know. We don't have anything else planned. But, you know, you never know.It's, I mean, Steve kind of said he didn't. He was kind of exhausted by it.But that was just after the New York shows and everything.So, you know, as months go by, I'm not playing. we could always get an offer and get something really fun and cool you know you might see a tweet, oh wow I don't know we'll see thismovie's coming out next year I think so um, maybe there'll be something associated with that not quite sure how much can you talk about that, um Um, I don't know. What, what do youwant to know?I just don't know if it's like embargoed or, you know, well, it's not done yet.It still needs to be edited, but we, we saw, we saw a, um, kind of Alex's, um, version, first kind of edit version and it's like over two hours long.[11:43] So everybody's like that's a little too long but i don't know we'll see what alex thinks, he's it's pretty cool it's pretty cool it's uh everything i've read about it is just like it's gonnachange movies like it's like a different different version of a movie that's what yeah Yeah, that's, I guess, I guess, I mean, it's, yeah, it's different, different.It's, it's, uh, I don't know.I'm just a little too close to it, you know? So it's, I mean, the people that have seen it who, I mean, I don't, I don't know.I guess he's shown it to focus groups and stuff and they seem to like it.So, I mean, I like it.Track 4:[12:31] It's fucking radical.Track 5:[12:33] A payment movie in 2024. I know, right? Hopefully.Track 4:[12:39] If you've ever guessed.Track 5:[12:41] Yeah. So, yeah, we'll see.Track 4:[12:44] Speaking of movies.Track 5:[12:46] My fingers are, you know, they're not quite... The calluses are still kind of there.They're going to go away at some point because...Mowing the lawn, you don't get really any calluses from mowing the lawn.Track 4:[13:05] No, I guess not.Track 5:[13:07] Unless you play good.Track 4:[13:08] Well, then that leads to two. That's two things that I want to ask you. I'll pin one.I don't know why there's balloons. Oh, that's weird. That was weird.The first one is you were doing a lot of stuff with the Gary movie.Track 5:[13:25] Yeah. Yeah.Track 4:[13:26] Are they still releasing it at festivals and things like that?Or now that he's passed, have they...Track 5:[13:34] Yeah, I think they've kind of done their festival run.I'm not quite sure what's going to happen.I mean, I think they were talking about kind of filming an epilogue and kind of trying to fit that in somehow.But I think, you know, I think they still plan on trying to do a real release of the movie at some point this next year.I haven't really talked to the guys much since Gary died. And, um...Or Jerry. I talked to Jerry a bit. Um, Gary's wife kind of around the time that we played New York because Gary's brother came to the show and, and, uh, with his son.And so it was nice to see him.And, um, yeah.Track 4:[14:38] Yeah.Track 5:[14:38] So you have to go through that, man. Oh yeah. It was, it's kind of crazy when I'm, you know, watching the, Alex movie I was watching it just kind of I was like whoa that's rightGary died, very strange very strange to think that he's gone but yeah, legend that guy yes, so there was a question that came in from Twitter or Reddit, I'm not sure which one, but it wasactually asking about the Terror Twilight outtakes with you and Gary.Track 4:[15:26] The tracks from that, they were saying that there's not been a whole lot said about those. So they were curious.Track 5:[15:37] Well, pretty simple. I mean, really, we those kind of came you know after i think when we decided to i think domino wanted to put out, major leagues as a as a single uh like an epand yeah you know they said do you have any, extras and we didn't really have any extras you know i think steve had steve had you know a couple all those um, He had demos for acouple of the songs.[16:17] And I think I had been talking to Gary about it, because I was starting to think about doing my solo record around that time.And yeah, I just went in and had these two kind of songs I had.And Gary's drums were perfect for it.They were really cool.And they kind of felt like Pavement songs with his drumming.And so I just sent them to Steve. And I said, you know, let's.And he's like, fine. That's perfect.Put them on there. And yeah. I don't know.I guess you know because it was an ep or whatever no one really heard them at the time because, they were it was a british seven inch i mean maybe with the terror twilight reissue nowyou know they're on they're on the in the digital world but.[17:27] Yeah yeah they're cool songs you know the the first one um your time to change i think it's in the movie in Alex's movie a little bit so that would be kind of fun to hear that there,yeah but yeah Gary's it was you know we went into his studio, He still pretty much had it together and ripped those out pretty quick.Track 4:[18:02] Cool.Track 5:[18:03] Yeah, like the old days.Track 4:[18:06] Yeah, especially I guess at the same time you were working with Nigel Godrich, right?Track 5:[18:11] Yeah, but that was way before. That had been done at least a year before, really.Track 4:[18:19] Oh, before the Major League's EP came out.Track 5:[18:21] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we recorded that record. I don't know.I don't know when it was. It was just... It was at least a year before we...The record kind of came out. All the singles came out.Track 4:[18:38] Gotcha.Track 5:[18:39] Yeah.It was kind of near the end. Yeah.Track 4:[18:45] What about you after Melody Attacks? Is there any more...Spiral Stairs or Preston School of Industry.You were talking about the Cowlitz.Track 5:[18:57] Yeah, I don't know. That would take care of those. I just did a little solo show at a bar here near me.It's actually called Wowie Zowie.Track 4:[19:08] That's fucking great.Track 5:[19:09] These cool guys have this great bar there. They had a show, and so I did a little solo thing with, I don't know three weeks ago or something like that so I ended up doing I ended upplaying a couple Preston school songs that I've never played in a long time so those are really fun, kind of rehash I did uh Walk of a Girl and Treasure at Silver Bank I think I, And yeah,so it was good to kind of relearn those. And then I did a bunch off the new record.And so I don't know. I mean, I'm playing guitar and making up songs.I just don't really have any material yet to record.But it's all here, ready to go when an idea pops in my head.Track 4:[20:10] Do you have a studio at home?Track 5:[20:12] Not really. just a little computer set up.And then if I go, I'll probably go to LA if I record in my friend's studio there.But maybe in May. Maybe I'll write maybe I'll do some songs in May.I don't know. I'm not really that, worried.Track 4:[20:37] You just chill, man.Track 5:[20:38] It comes when it comes, you know? Yeah.Track 4:[20:43] There's no, this isn't the nineties where it's like you have to have a CD every.[20:49] Year or every year and a half.Track 5:[20:51] No, no. I mean, I did those last three pretty quick, pretty quick in succession.Um, but I don't know.I mean, I've, it's the last, you know, two years being kind of on the, all over the place, you know, California and Australia.I'm on tour, you know, it's been hard to write anything, but I just need to be at home for a while and start complaining about things.Track 4:[21:29] So I guess that means when you guys are doing tours and you're on the road, has there been anything in the way of exchanging ideas for anything that could be construed as newpavement?I don't think I'm in the camp that necessarily wants new pavement, but it's a cool thing to think about.Track 5:[21:56] Yeah yeah i mean there was a time kind of when we were playing some of those shows you know when we were kind of you know we could have we you know there was amoment maybe some moments where we were like you know we maybe we could have thought about doing some new stuff but i don't know, it it's fun playing the old songs you know imean we we yeah we the songs stand up pretty pretty good to where we're not bored by them um maybe if we were bored we'd be like all right let's make up something new but i don'tknow you know you never know i mean we're we're a much better band than we were in the 90s or 2010 um i think you know we're definitely way more confident and their abilities toplay.Track 4:[22:52] That's cool.Track 5:[22:53] But yeah, we're not really, you know, it's not like the old days where, you know, in Soundcheck we're just kind of jamming and making up kind of thing.I mean, in Soundcheck we would just kind of, if we would play other songs besides ours, they'd be just like covers of R.E.M. or Led Zeppelin or something.Track 4:[23:17] A lot of foreign stuff. I would love to hear Pavement covering Led Zeppelin. That is fucked.Track 5:[23:27] And yeah, so, but you never know. I mean, it would be fun.I'd be into it for sure. You know, like it would be, I think it would be interesting to try to try to write a song after 30 years.Track 4:[23:42] Yeah.Track 5:[23:44] What does that even look like?Track 4:[23:45] Right? Yeah.Track 5:[23:46] I don't know. You know, I mean, I write. song.I definitely have written songs where I've thought in the back of my mind this could be a Pavin song.Track 4:[23:55] Right.Track 5:[23:56] Maybe Steve does too.We got the hits.Track 4:[24:07] That's true. I don't know if you know what my next project is.Track 5:[24:11] No.Track 4:[24:13] So on this feed, next year, every week of the year, I'm counting down the top 50 pavement songs as voted by the listeners.Track 5:[24:27] Okay.Track 4:[24:28] So I basically sent out a call for people to submit their top 20 lists.And then I assigned a score to everything and then put it through a spreadsheet and it spit out 50 top songs.But what's really interesting, this shows you how deep your catalog is, is even though I only asked for top 20, I ended up with 120 songs mentioned.Track 5:[25:01] Yeah. yeah so there's 70 that I won't be counting down wow but 50 I'm going to count down starting January 8th you can have your own Sirius channel, yeah there you go I waslistening I was driving down to LA I had to go back to the states a couple weeks ago and, I was driving from Cambria down to LA to get my flight and there was they had free serious intheir rental car and it was like it was like there was like a bruce springsteen channel and uh uh you know all these kind of chant pearl jam channel and, beatles channels i listened to thebeatles because i hadn't heard them in a while you know, they're such a rare band to listen to um uh and it was like a countdown of the top top hundred Beatles songs, you know.So, yeah, I don't know. There should be a Pavement one. I bet you there would be, you know.[26:08] You know you can get a serious channel yeah i'll work on it you know they had like they had like uh guest djs you know for every song which was a little annoying but um we kindof tell a story every song in the countdown yeah or every three songs you know is a different person but it's like you know the typical people like david fricky and you know it's like youknow but uh, pavement. The pavement one would be kind of fun.You get like, you know, pretty weird people to do it. I bet.I hadn't even thought about having guests. There you go.Track 4:[26:47] That's a really good idea.Track 5:[26:48] Yeah, you should look into it. There's probably some advertising money there. Serious.Track 4:[26:56] Yeah.Track 5:[26:58] Money. Podcasting. Well, that's cool. So, yeah, countdown. I wonder what number one would be.Probably different for a lot of people. Yeah.Track 4:[27:09] There was a total consensus.Track 5:[27:13] Oh, really?Track 4:[27:14] There was one that really rose to the top. Okay.Track 5:[27:19] I wonder if I would guess. Should I guess?Sure. I can't tell you though I would probably say it was, Rangelife, what song? Rangelife oh that's a good pick it's definitely in the top 50 oh the top 50 we're in the top 2 yeah, yeah it'sit's it's that is that are you just gauging that from like the, the crowd reaction when you guys play yeah yeah basically you always well crowd reaction i think the i think on this last tour itwas uh harness your hopes kind of got the best crowd just because all the kids in the audience these days.Track 4:[28:25] What a trip.Track 5:[28:27] Yeah, I know, right?Track 4:[28:30] To have the song just bubble out of nowhere.Track 5:[28:34] Yeah, I know, right? Yeah.Had that happened by the time you did your Medium Alchemist on that song?Had that song become big yet?Track 4:[28:52] Yeah, because I asked Steve about it, and he had a theory.Track 5:[28:58] He had a theory yeah his theory was that somebody who works in the algorithm department at Spotify was a pavement fan, and sort of dropped it in a playlist and then Bob's youruncle yeah I could see that probably makes more sense than, than that whatever the What was the excuse they gave us?It was just randomly in there somehow.Track 4:[29:33] Yeah. Yeah.Track 5:[29:36] I don't know.Track 4:[29:37] Either way, though, it went viral.Track 5:[29:39] Yeah. Oh, it helped us for sure.Track 4:[29:42] When people heard it, they fucking liked it. Yeah.Track 5:[29:47] They really did. Good song.Track 4:[29:50] My daughter didn't know it was Pavement.Track 5:[29:52] She knows it.Track 4:[29:53] She was really surprised.Track 5:[30:01] So, yeah. Well, that's cool. So, you got a whole new thing going on.Hey, did you go to Iceland? Did I see you in Iceland?Track 4:[30:10] I didn't go.Track 5:[30:11] Oh, you didn't go. No, I couldn't make it happen. It couldn't happen.Track 4:[30:15] No. No, I would have loved to.Track 5:[30:17] Yeah, there were some people that said they were going to Iceland, and I didn't see them.And I was just, I was like, oh, I wonder if they went and just never, they got too exhausted by the hike to the volcano or something.Just never really. Yeah, maybe.Track 4:[30:38] It's definitely a weird country though, huh?Track 5:[30:40] It was fun. It's really fun to be there. Small, small town.Track 4:[30:46] But it just looks, it looks so different. It looks like outer space or something.Track 5:[30:51] Like the ground and the rocks yeah very volcanic you fly into the airport and it's like there's no trees at all and, it takes you an hour to get into the town it was kind of strange but itwas cool people that came were really they were really, great crowd you know we played really, three different sets, songs and yeah most people went to like all three shows I'm guessingright yeah I think so yeah yeah that's so neat, yeah I exhausted my travel budget following you guys in the UK yeah.Track 4:[31:51] Um, any news on the front of like vinyl reissues or anything to look for in 2024?Track 5:[32:05] Yeah, we've got other than the movie. Yeah, we've got, uh, the seven inch box sets coming out next year.Um, whoa. Yeah. Seven inch box set.It's uh it's looking really cool uh i just saw the mock-up of it is this something i can include in the podcast yeah sure yeah okay cool yeah it's cool it's all the seven inches and they're, andthey're b-sides um wait and they're b-sides or just the seven inches, oh no it's all the seven inches and they're b-sides yeah it's the actual seven inches, it's not just uh it's not it's the actualvinyl yeah so uh and then it's got like you know the other kind of seven inches we did as well like the blackout one and the um i think that came free with one of the records and, So ifyou're a completist, you're going to want this. Yeah, and it's really cool. It's a really beautiful package.[33:24] Yeah, if you're a completist, you've got to have it, for sure.And if you're not, it's just a really cool kind of artifact.The artwork is really... There's some new artwork in there.That and um liner notes and really cool yeah i mean seven inches that's kind of where we started and and we kind of kept that kept it up every record you know back in those days whenyou yeah we do that and uh you know like i would i would collect seven inches from bands like i think i i just went through my seven inches here and i was like why do i have like, 35REM 7 inches.You do? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I used to collect all their 7 inches.Smith's. Got all the Smith's 7 inches. Zach and the Bunnymen.Yeah.Track 4:[34:27] They're touring again right now.Track 5:[34:28] The Bunnymen.Track 4:[34:31] Yeah.Track 5:[34:31] Oh, yeah. They constantly tour.I don't think they know what to do when they're at home.Can't get good cocaine at home you have to get you know, okay don't say that part all right i'll cut that.Track 4:[34:57] Well, man, it's always good to talk to you.Track 5:[34:59] Yeah, that's basically it. I mean, probably at some point, maybe a real box set.But we haven't even looked into that yet.There's been talk of...Track 4:[35:16] Got to reissue the Lux and Redux on vinyl.Track 5:[35:21] Yes, we've been talking about that.That um but we've also been talking about a cool thing maybe like a subscription thing for um, live records um oh yeah we're thinking about thinking about doing maybe i went to matadorwhen we were in it when i was in new york and they they uh a couple of old fans have sent them you know huge libraries of debts from the 90s, and uh you know we're thinking maybe ofstarting to look into that about maybe releasing some of that stuff on vinyl and and maybe some of the some of the stuff from the last from this last tour a lot of really good shows so yeahmaybe like a subscription thing would be really fun, you know, so look out for that that's real cool yeah yeah and uh yeah but he said who who, Somebody said something really funny thatMatador will never be out of the pavement business.I guess, you know, it's kind of all right.Track 4:[36:50] 35 years of going strong.Track 5:[36:52] Yeah.Track 4:[36:54] Yeah.Track 5:[36:55] So, yeah, that's it. I mean, hopefully, you know, like I said, hopefully this movie kind of clicks and maybe we can um maybe that kind of helped, you know stir the pot a little bit fornext year or the year after and maybe there'll be more shows but uh well that would be right now if you know you want to see us you got to come to south america, that's right so what arethose dates again I think it's May starting in May May 13th I think we're in.[37:35] Maybe in Santiago Chile and then we go to, Buenos Aires Argentina then we go to Montevideo.[37:45] Uruguay and then we end up at a festival in Sao Paulo and Brazil zone so that's yeah quick little run and yeah should be fun a lot of flying for me yeah I guess so long way to goyeah, wouldn't want to commute no all right right dude it's been great talking to you as always okay good luck with everything thanks so much.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising 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On the latest episode Discologist, we're discussing the remarkable glow of Arun Ghosh's Seclused In Light, the award winning clarinetist/composer/music educator's “lockdown” album. In his exploration of the universal fear and isolation of the past few years, Ghosh was able to find pull inward and find that beauty still remained - not just in himself, but in all of us. A welcome hug from the end of the world, Seclused In Light is a masterpiece of humanity that deserves a place in everyone's life.PLUS! Eduardo and Kevin are spinning tracks from Milwaukee hip hop artist Grey Genius, and and new solo music from Pavement's Spiral Stairs.Discussion Guide0:00 - Shop Talk4:00- Tracks we love22:20 - Seclused In Light48:47 - Wrap upSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/discologist. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

To close out Pavement's triumphant 2022 tour, another gift…Back in December 2021, Spiral Stairs was our very first guest on the program. Not only is our Roxy Music episode one of our best and most popular, but Scott remains one of the greatest and most gracious guests we've ever had. Have at it, fellow Pavement lunatics! -Listen to a curated Roxy Music playlist on Spotify -Check out Roxy Music emerging fully formed on a legendary Peel Session from 1972. Not available on streaming services but essential -Roxy Music looking and sounding like the coolest human beings on the planet on The Old Grey Whistle Test in 1972 -A return to The Old Grey Whistle Test a year later, so good it's not fair -Tearing up "Pyjamarama" on Musikladen in 1974 -Still looking and sounding fabulous in 1982 -Excellent Roxy Music fan site if you're looking for more information CONNECT Join our Soldiers of Sound Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1839109176272153 Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/discograffiti Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/discograffitipod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Discograffiti/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Discograffiti YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClyaQCdvDelj5EiKj6IRLhw Web site: http://discograffiti.com/ Patreon: www.Patreon.com/Discograffiti CONTACT DAVE Email: dave@discograffiti.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaveGebroe Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidgebroe/ CONTACT TODD ZIMMER: GRAPHIC DESIGN Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ToddZimmer and https://www.facebook.com/punknjunkradio Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_real_todd_zimmer/ and https://www.instagram.com/punknjunkradioshow/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/discograffiti/message

Back in December 2021, Spiral Stairs came on the show and rated Roxy Music with us (go check out Episode 9). Afterwards, we did a great little 12-minute interview with him that's never been aired, & it's chock full of essential off-topic hilarity…such as going to bar mitzvahs with a 13-year-old Malkmus back in Stockton; a gaggle of early band names; and the best & worst song he's ever written.  It was supposed to be Patreon-only, but I s'pose Xmas came early. CONNECT Join our Soldiers of Sound Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1839109176272153 Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/discograffiti Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/discograffitipod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Discograffiti/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Discograffiti YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClyaQCdvDelj5EiKj6IRLhw Web site: http://discograffiti.com/ Patreon: www.Patreon.com/Discograffiti CONTACT DAVE Email: dave@discograffiti.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaveGebroe Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/davidgebroe/ CONTACT TODD ZIMMER: GRAPHIC DESIGN Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ToddZimmer and https://www.facebook.com/punknjunkradio Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_real_todd_zimmer/ and https://www.instagram.com/punknjunkradioshow/ --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/discograffiti/message

jD is back and he's chatting with Spiral!Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

On this week's Talkhouse Podcast, we've got a pair of old friends with a ton of records and history between them: Kelley Stoltz and Spiral Stairs. Spiral Stairs—aka. Scott Kannberg—is a founding member of indie-rock kingpins Pavement, a band he formed in Stockton, California with his high school friend Stephen Malkmus. What started as a noisy, ramshackle outfit bloomed into one of the most important and influential bands of the 1990s. Their albums have only grown in stature over the years, getting the sort of deluxe reissue treatment that was once reserved only for the gods of classic rock. And though Pavement split up in 1999, they've reunited twice—and are about to launch a pretty hefty tour of the US and Europe. Outside of Pavement, Kannberg has kept plenty busy releasing music under both his Spiral Stairs moniker and, for a while, as Preston School of Industry. He's had an incredibly prolific last few years, too, releasing three albums since 2017—the latest is the fantastic Medley Attack!!! It was a record born of some hardship, including Covid, worldwide relocations, and most unfortunately, the sudden death of Kannberg's bassist Matt Harris. But those events resulted in what's probably his best solo outing yet. Check out a little bit of the song “Pressure Drop (End of the Hurricane)” right here. Kannberg enlisted the help of several friends in making that record, including the other half of today's conversation, singer-songwriter Kelley Stoltz. Stoltz is one of those guys who just has a knack for writing incredibly tuneful pop songs. If they were recorded with more slickness, you might mistake them for radio hits of the ‘60s and ‘70s—I mean that as a high compliment. Stoltz recently released his seventeenth studio album, The Stylist, and it's a great place to start in a catalog that includes plenty of stone classics. Check out “Your Name Escapes Me.” As you'll hear in this conversation—though not necessarily in either of those songs—Stoltz and Kannberg first bonded over a mutual love of Echo & The Bunnymen. Stoltz actually recorded a full album cover of that band's Crocodiles album, and Kannberg joined him on some live shows to perform it. Weirdly, that led to Stoltz, who as a teen worshiped Ian McCulloch, to a brief stint as rhythm guitarist for the British band. Talk about Echo leads to talk about copycat haircuts of their youth, formative years working in record stores, and lots more. And you'll even get to hear two songs in very early stages—one that Kannberg (maybe) wants to bring to his Pavement bandmates, and one that Stoltz has started writing for his infant daughter. Enjoy. Thanks for listening to the Talkhouse Podcast, and thanks to Kelley Stoltz and Scott Kannberg for chatting. If you liked what you heard, check out both of their new albums, and of course follow Talkhouse on your favorite podcasting platform. This episode was produced by Myron Kaplan, and the Talkhouse theme is composed and performed by The Range. See you next time!

Yes yes Ya'll. We've got a lot in store for you on this episode. Do you like the band Pavement? Maybe Sasquatch is more your style? Do you want to hear the freshest jams in all of the land? Look no further you've found THE source for all this and more. This episode's feature is non other than Spiral Stairs of Pavement fame. Come check out some tasty cuts from Spiral along with - Vintage Crop, Launder,  Sam Prekop, Sir Richard Bishop, The Blank Tapes,  Lionel Hampton,  The Cloud Nothings,  and of course the greatest band in the land  Dream Cream.  Thank you Dr. Squatch and Liquid Death for your sponsorship!Peace and Love,Ricky G & Scottay Tecate

I may have called part one of this month’s new release series the “friends of the show” episode, but that mentality continues in part two as we have a nice set of tracks from our friends at Big Stir Records. We also have brand new tracks from a new collaboration between Rum Bar Records artists Natalie Sweet and Brad Marino which I’m sure every Ledge listener will love. There’s also two sets of great Who covers from a new Jem Records compilation, Jem Records Celebrates Pete Townshend, along with new tunes by Lee Bains & The Glory Fires, Titus Andronicus, Pavement founder Spiral Stairs, and new supergroup Beach Rats. Plus much more! I would love it if every listener bought at least one record I played on either of these shows. These great artists deserve to be compensated for their hard work, and every purchase surely helps not only pay their bills but fund their next set of wonderful songs. And if you buy these records directly from the artist or label, please let them know you heard these tunes on The Ledge! Let them know who is giving them promotion!  For more information, including setlists head to http://scotthudson.blogspot.com

Where do I even begin on this one. Truly a masterpiece. The two Podcast maestros take this episode  31 to epic levels. Their special sauce? Dream Cream.  With cuts from featured artist, king of the 40 second songs, ladies and gentlemen, Tony Molina.  If that weren't enough listen to  cuts from PB4 approved artists: Ratatat, Egg Drop Soup, The Blank Tapes, and the incredible Spiral Stairs. Jam packed full of greatness. Do yourself a fava sit back, relax and pipe in the freshest Pod content in all of the land.PEACE & LOVEWe out,Ricky G and Scottay Tecate

UK Garage, electro pop, indie lush, classic electronica and vintage Lou Reed jostle for space on The Daily Review this Friday, with music from UNIIQU3, Zed Bias, Hot Chip, Alu, Caterina Barbieri and more.

The season two premiere of our Revisionist History Podcast: a conversation between Pavement's Stephen Malkmus and Spiral Stairs, reflecting on their debut album Slanted & Enchanted 30 years later. Speaking to host Matt Sweeney (Chavez), the pair discuss preparing for their upcoming reunion tour, dropping out of college to tour with Sonic Youth, and writing “In the Mouth a Desert” after an Earth Day spent tripping on mescaline.

And we're back. And we enter Hell. The Dickinsons are creepy. Sue does her best Marlene Dietrich. Henry kills a man. And Emily, in the midst of this, loses everything and finds real hope at the bottom of the darkest depths. My Life had stood - a Loaded Gun - In Corners - till a Day The Owner passed - identified - And carried Me away - And now We roam in Sovreign Woods - And now We hunt the Doe - And every time I speak for Him The Mountains straight reply - And do I smile, such cordial light Opon the Valley glow - It is as a Vesuvian face Had let it's pleasure through - And when at Night - Our good Day done - I guard My Master's Head - 'Tis better than the Eider Duck's Deep Pillow - to have shared - To foe of His - I'm deadly foe - None stir the second time - On whom I lay a Yellow Eye - Or an emphatic Thumb - Though I than He - may longer live He longer must - than I - For I have but the power to kill, Without - the power to die -

Discograffiti welcomes its very first guest: Scott Kannberg aka Spiral Stairs of the rock band Pavement. Scott selected one of his all-time favorite bands, Roxy Music to explore on this episode with hosts Dave and Joe and he reveals a deep personal connection he has with the band. Each release in the Roxy Music discography is rated 0 to 5 stars by our hosts and our guest, and all three share their picks for the top three must-own releases from the band, as well as the worst entry in their catalog. -Listen to a curated Roxy Music playlist on Spotify -Check out Roxy Music emerging fully formed on a legendary Peel Session from 1972. Not available on streaming services but essential -Roxy Music looking and sounding like the coolest human beings on the planet on The Old Grey Whistle Test in 1972 -A return to The Old Grey Whistle Test a year later, so good it's not fair -Tearing up "Pyjamarama" on Musikladen in 1974 -Still looking and sounding fabulous in 1982 -Excellent Roxy Music fan site if you're looking for more information --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/discograffiti/message

jD is back and he's got Spiral Stairs with him! They talk about the TT reissue, the upcoming tour, and Spiral music. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

There's been a murder on The Pavement Conundrum and the blood is on Chris and Mark's hands. Don't blame Paul for this one, he is innocent. Apart from those two idiots brutally massacring a Pavement song in cold blood, the trio cover other topics such as Sufjan Stevens' connection to Spiral Stairs, more songs about buildings and food, regional pride and Stephen Malkmus' potential reaction to Scottish Independence. But overall, Chris and Mark murder a song. That's what you'll take from this episode. Sorry, Pavement. Follow us on Twitter: @conundrumpod

We had the pleasure of interviewing Big Mother Gig over Zoom video! Milwaukee-bred/LA-based indie rock band Big Mother Gig are pleased to present the brand new music video for “That Day,” the latest single to be lifted from the band's recently released full-length album, Gusto (order). For this particular song, home videos and photographs taken from three generations of frontman Richard Jankovich's family seemed to be only way to tell this story about a specific life event, trauma and how it can be passed down over several generations.“The song details real childhood events that deeply affected my Dad and which I believe impacted me,” he says. “It makes me wonder: ‘will those events also, in turn, maybe in a watered down way, also affect my daughter?' There have been studies that show that trauma gets encoded in DNA and can be passed down. That idea fascinates and terrifies me. The video ends with my daughter and my Dad who have their own bond. Not a dry eye in the house...” Watch the music video for “That Day” via Glide Magazine HERE and on YouTube HERE.A celebration of sobriety, Gusto is first and foremost a recovery record. “I celebrated my first year of sobriety alone over a stormy Spring weekend in a desert cabin with some recording gear,” Jankovich recalls. “The album just flowed out of me–13 songs over three days. I wrote from morning until night and it was cathartic.” Addressing family, marriage, addiction, anger, serotonin, despair and, ultimately, hope, Gusto is a wide-ranging, emotional journey that focuses on second chances. Stream the album in full on Spotify HERE.Previous Gusto singles “The Underdog feat Leah Wellbaum (Slothrust)” and “The Doctor Will See You Now” were premiered by Stereogum and American Songwriter, respectively, and have received support at commercial and non-commercial radio including SiriusXM and NPR stations. Gusto's singles have received editorial/official playlisting from Spotify, Apple and Amazon (as well as NPR “New Music Friday”) and have already amassed 250K views/streams. The band just signed with Madison House booking (Stone Foxes, String Cheese Incident, SSION, The Beths), and expect to announce tour dates soon. Written by music vet Richard Jankovich and performed by Michael Datz, Albert Kurniawan, Micah Lopez as well as Jankovich, Gusto, the forthcoming album from LA's Big Mother Gig, was originally going to be titled For Those About To Rock Bottom, a sarcastic reference to a rock band learning to sober up. Continuing with this creative thread, Big Mother Gig recorded the album that would go on to be mixed by Dan Long (Local Natives, Spiral Stairs) and mastered by the legendary Howie Weinberg (Nirvana, Spoon, The White Stripes).While the focus is on Gusto, the Milwaukee-bred/LA-based band's legacy has come into view with two of its Nineties songs trending. “Beckers Note” is featured in hundreds of TikTok videos with over 4M views, while “This Picture” is featured in the critically acclaimed movie Pink Skies Ahead (Jessica Barden, Marcia Gay Harden, dir. Kelly Oxford), which premiered on MTV on May 8 alongside songs by Dinosaur Jr, Smashing Pumpkins and more.Previously, the band released their 2018 LP, No More Questions, while wrapping a West Coast tour opening for Gin Blossoms. The LP featured Dicky Barrett (Mighty Mighty Bosstones) and Britta Phillips (Luna) on vocals. It was praised by Brooklyn Vegan, NPR/The Current, Paste, The Big Takeover, Alternative Press, Under The Radar, No Depression and more. The band also hosted a six-episode web-series and their music video for “Obliterate” starred Sons Of Anarchy/Mayans actor Michael Ornstein. Since reforming in 2016, Big Mother Gig has performed with Gin Blossoms, Soccer Mommy, The Posies, Luna, Peelander-Z, Alvarez Kings, The Yawpers and more.We want to hear from you! Please email Tera@BringinitBackwards.com.www.BringinitBackwards.com#podcast #interview #bringinbackpod #BigMotherGig #zoomListen & Subscribe to BiBFollow our podcast on Instagram and Twitter! 

Wowee Zowee! Gareth and Ryan play some favourite tunes from 1977 and chat with Scott Kannberg AKA Spiral Stairs from the awesome Pavement. (Thanks to Bintani for the delicious Colonial Draught) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/six-pack-podcast/message

On today's episode I talk to musician Bob Nastanovich. Born in Rochester, but raised in Richmond, Virginia, Bob spent the early part of his life playing tennis and listening to punk rock. While attending college at the University of Virginia, he met his future bandmates Steve Malkmus and Dave Berman, and the three formed the band Ectoslavia with future Yo La Tengo member James McNew. After college, the three moved to Jersey across from Manhattan, where the first Silver Jews songs were recorded. Malkmus formed Pavement around this time with his old friend Spiral Stairs, and Bob joined a little later, essentially as the utility player of the band. Though Pavement broke up in 1999, the band occasionally reunites for live shows, and since then, Bob has spent a lot of his time with his other passion, horse racing, as well as running the record label Broker's Tip Records. This is the website for Beginnings, subscribe on Apple Podcasts, follow me on Twitter.

Have you ever heard that all Castle stair cases go round clockwise? Aye, so have we! In this first episode of Newcastle Castle's podcast, Castle Stories, our Learning Officer David takes a look at the truth behind this Castle story, and where the idea came from in the first place…

Seja talks to her guest Scott Kannberg AKA Spiral Stairs (Pavement, Preston School of Industry) about moving to Australia during the pandemic, how both his solo project and Pavement shows have been derailed this past year and the grief he’s been going through after losing close friends and band mates. Scott shares some old memories from tour and talks about his big musical influences as a kid. Seja and Scott chat about lyric writing, recording ideas and their current song obsessions. Scott’s strange show story is illustrated by Stephanie Ohlback (@soutback, @stressless4eva). All illustrations can be seen on the HearSej Facebook page and on instagram @hearsejpodcast

jD is back and this week he's chatting with founding member Spiral Stairs about one of his contributions to Brighten the Corners, the pop gem Date w/ IKEA. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Host J.D. Reager plays the new single, "Glory Line," off of Memphis musician William Luke White's new self-titled solo EP before talking to his old friend about the new record, collaborating with the late Clay Otis, his ongoing battle with cancer, touring with Pavement's Spiral Stairs, the value of seeing a therapist and more. Then William Luke White performs the song "My Worst" live. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Podcast #514 covers the bases with Magnetic Fields, Jetstream Pony, Diet Cig, Damien Jurado, Spiral Stairs, Daniel Romano, & Shiner.

Podcast #513 is made mighty with music from Duncan Reid and the Big Heads, Fake Names, Ramonas, Daniel Romano, Spiral Stairs, & Winterfylleth.

Playlist: Little Richard - No Place Like HomeThe Grateful Dead - Ramble on RoseGoodbye, Mr. MacKenzie - The Way I WalkTony Allen - AriyaJerry Garcia and John Kahn - Spike Driver BluesGov't Mule - Patchwork QuiltRory Gallagher - LaundromatThe Goddess Lakshmi - The Beggar's SongBroken Social Scene - Stars And SonsEcho In The Canyon Band - Dedicated To The One I Love > Go Where You Wanna Go > No Matter What You Do > Questions > The WaitingOutlaws of Ravenhurst - The Gray-Cloaked StrangerAlex Cline & Nels Cline - Altar Stone > Spiral StairsThe Grateful Dead, featuring Branford Marsalis - Dark StarJerry Garcia Band - The Harder They Come

Pavement is one of The New Dad Rock's favorite bands, but perhaps you are not well-versed in their oeuvre. Let Keith and Steve guide you through their career highlights, regale you with anecdotes tangentially related to the band, and otherwise guide you on your search for enlightenment.If you're up for further exploration, please enjoy this (by no means exhaustive) playlist of Pavement songs from throughout their prolific but brief career."Box Elder" from the Slay Tracks: 1933-1969 EP* (1989)"Debris Slide" from the Perfect Sound Forever EP* (1991)"Summer Babe" from Slanted and Enchanted* (1991)"Here" from Slanted and Enchanted (1991)"Two States" from Slanted and Enchanted (1991)"Frontwards" from Watery, Domestic EP (1992)"Lions (Linden)" from Watery, Domestic EP (1992)"Silence Kit" -- also known as Silent Kid from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"Gold Soundz" from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"Cut Your Hair" from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"Range Life" from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"We Dance" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"Rattled By The Rush" from Wowee Zowee (1995) "Easily Fooled" b-side from Rattled By The Rush single (1995)"Grounded" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"Father to a Sister of Thought" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"AT&T" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"Give It a Day" from the Pacific Trim EP (1996)"Stereo" from Brighten the Corners (1997)"Shady Lane" from Brighten the Corners (1997)"Spit on a Stranger" from Terror Twilight** (1999)* these tracks were also Included on the Westing (By Musket and Sextant) compilation** for a further discussion of Terror Twilight, please see EP 1 of The New Dad RockSupport the show (https://teespring.com/stores/the-new-dad-rock)

In 1999, Pavement enlisted producer extraordinaire Nigel Godrich (Radiohead, Beck, etc) for the recording of what turned out to be their swan song, Terror Twilight. It was a contentious meeting of the minds. In the end, Nigel's favored track listing was discarded and the album was reordered by Spiral Stairs. Now, more than 20 years later, Keith and Steve describe Terror Twilight in the order by which it was meant to be heard.1>Ground Beef (aka Platform Blues)2~The Hex(x)3^You Are a Light4-Jesus In Harlem (aka Cream of Gold)5>Ann (Don't Cry)6. Folk Jam7 Major Leagues8`Terror Twilight (aka Speak, See, Remember)9_Carrot Rope10

I'm so happy to have gotten the opportunity to get this episode recorded with Scott Kannberg. I've known Scott for many years, meeting after Pavement when he moved to Seattle and had Preston School of Industry operating. We share a great mutual love for Echo and the Bunnymen but Scott is not so much on the Zappa. That's okay, we had plenty to talk about! I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. If you're enjoying Couch Riffs please consider becoming a monthly pledge supporter for as little as .99/month. Its easy and painless and you can do it at anchor.fm/couch-riffs. There is also an Etsy Store that you can reach from couchriffs.com which is also where you will find every single Couch Riffs video and podcast cataloged for your convenience. Thanks for listening and for the support! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/couch-riffs/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/couch-riffs/support

Following the demise of Pavement in 1999, founding member Scott Kannberg, aka Spiral Stairs, makes the most of the break up with his new project Preston School of Industry. Looking back on the moments that shaped his experience, Kannberg delves into the making of Preston School of Industry’s 2001 debut record All This Sounds Gas for Episode 9 of In Loving Recollection. Created in an atmosphere very different from that of Pavement’s final album, Kannberg discusses the joy of returning to lo-fi recording and the influences that helped to inform the record’s sound.

Luke White is a Memphis musician who has played in such bands as Spiral Stairs, Snowglobe, Colour Revolt, Coach and Four, and Sons of Mudboy. He has also done session work for more bands than you can shake a stick at.

It's the end of the year, the end of the decade and the 300th episode of Live Delay! To celebrate, past Live Delay producers Darragh Murray and Branko Cosic return to the studio to share their memories of bringing live music to community radio over the past seven years. Featuring highlights from The Go-Betweens, The Drones, Blank Realm, No Sister, Spiral Stairs, Keep On Dancin's and Ben Salter. Show production, engineering and host: Scott Mercer Originally aired via Zed Digital, 7-8pm, Sunday 29 December, 2019

Today jD talks with Spiral Stairs about Pavement's early influences and then jD waxes on Recorder Grot the third track on Demolition Plot J7 EP. You can purchase the songs from today's episode here: http://bit.ly/RecorderGrot You can follow Meeting Malkmus - a Pavement podcast, on Twitter and Instagram @MeetingMalkmus You can also join the Facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/meetingmalkmus And lastly, if you've got some time, don't forget to tell your friends IRL or leave a review on iTunes! Special Guests: . Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

A semi-finale! Willix continues to show his power by doing nothing! Get ready for more ghouls and geists yeehee

Spiral Stairs: Spiral Stairs aka Scott Kannberg first began making music with co founding member Stephen Malkamus in the legendary 90’s act Pavement. After Pavement disbanded in 1999, Kannberg formed Preston School Of Industry, who went on to release two albums through Matador Records; 2001’s All This Sounds Gas and 2004’s Monsoon. 5 years passed before Kannberg re-emerged with his first solo effort The Real Feel, which was also released through Matador. He then relocated to the northern Brisbane suburb of Beachmere for a few years, before slowly beginning work on the follow up. 2017 saw the release of Doris And The Daggers, Kannberg’s most personal and emotional music to date. Alongside the album was a bonus Australian only 7“ entitled Pig City accompanied with the B-Side Vultures Of Caboolture, which are a homage to his time spent in Brisbane. Pig City, a song title shared by Queensland band The Parameters, was inspired by the Andrew Stafford book about Brisbane music during the police corruption era as well as the influential sounds of The Go-Betweens. Recorded at Black Bear Lodge in Brisbane on the 10th of December 2017. Recorded and mixed by Branko Cosic. Airing details: Originally via Zed Digital, 7-8pm, Sunday 11th of February 2018. Show production and engineering: Reuben Aptroot.

France Gall, Thin Lizzy, Super Furry Animals, Zeitgeist, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, and The Goats are played and discussed, plus more Pavement stories as Bob explains how Scott Kannberg became Spiral Stairs.

Deze week zit ik met indieband Canshaker Pi! de band is net terug van hun allereerste grote europese tour als support van Spiral Stairs. Daarnaast praten we over het ontstaan van de band, de Nederlandse verwijzingen in hun teksten en nog veel meer Volg ons ook op instagram: @kleedkamercast facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Kleedkamercast/ twitter: https://twitter.com/kleedkamercast Muziek in deze podcast: Canshaker PI - JALS Canshaker Pi - Indie Academy

This week episode features music from Palm, Pinkwash, Julie Byrne, and Lazyeyes! Tom really can't wait to see Chicago natives, Clearance and local favorites EZTV at Union Pool this Saturday!

Record Store Day finds from Townes Van Zandt, Vic Chesnutt and Giant Sand along with the latest from Spiral Stairs and music beds from Calexico.   Go buy a record and enjoy, y'all.

In this podcast, Tom and Chad go over all thirty-five longlisted titles on this year's Best Translated Book Award longlists. They offer up some uninformed opinions (and a couple informed ones), make their guesses as to which titles will move on, and talk generally about the plethora of Spanish titles on the two lists.   If you haven't seen them yet, click here for the fiction list, and here for the poetry one.   This week's music is "Emoshuns" by Spiral Stairs.   As always, feel free to send any and all comments or questions to: threepercentpodcast@gmail.com. Also, if there are articles you'd like us to read and analyze, send those along as well.   And if you like the podcast, tell a friend and rate us or leave a review on iTunes!

Check out Willie Nelson, Little Rock's Adam Faucett, Spiral Stairs finally has a new album out and the latest from John Andrews & The Yawns with music beds from Eric Bachmann & Jon Rauhouse. RIP, David

On today's episode, I talk to musician Scott "Spiral Stairs" Kannberg. Scott grew up in Stockton, California where he met his childhood friend and future bandmate Stephen Malkmus. Along with drummer Gary Young, the two formed Pavement in 1989, and went on to release five albums and a number of EPs, eventually becoming one of the biggest indie rock bands of the time. After the band broke up in 1999, Scott went on to record two albums as The Preston School of Industry and one album under his own name. He is currently finishing up his latest as-yet unnamed record, which is his first in seven years.This is the website for Beginnings, subscribe on iTunes, follow me on Twitter.

Welcome to Episode 407 of the Radio Orphans Podcast.This episode contains the following independent musicfor your listening pleasure:"World At War" by Ron McElroy.Indie rock from the UK."The Ghosts of Future Past Lives" by Leaving Richmond.Instrumental rock from California."14 Miles" by Meredith O'Connor.Pop rock from New York."Third World Waterfall" by Spiral Stairs.Indie rock from Sweden. "Pharaoh" by The French Electric.Indie rock from the UK."Body Sweet(instrumental)" from Tokyo507. Trip hop from Australia."A Name In The Rain" from Radio Orphans.Experimental rock collaboration from your hoststhe Radio Orphans and Sect. 23.We thank you for listening!

Pavement's "Wowee Zowee: Sordid Sentinels Edition," a deluxe expanded reissue of their classic third album will be in stores on November 7. In honor of it, here's some footage of Pavement performing "Grounded" in Manchester from Nov. 19, 1999. The footage comes from Lance Bangs' Slow Century DVD.