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Wowie.. there has been a lot going on in Tasmania since we last talked. Let us catch you up to speed with everything you need to know about the Tassie Devils drama. ______________________________________________________________________

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Wowie wow wow. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City finale was about as vicious as it gets. Amy Phillips and Emily Dorezas practically scratched a cornea watching this explosive episode. What in the Utah soda was that dinner game Heather? And Angie and Lisa, please pull back on your physical throws and lunges for wigs and flowers because it will not end well and we don't want you to get fired. Whitney did not need Heather for this bad weather because she was ready from the jump at the 8 Lisa's party. The uncensored and uncut version on Peacock was not up yet when we recapped this, so we will need to watch that and do another episode, twist my arm! UGH! That was A LOT for a finale! Someone please draw me a Meredith Marks bath STAT!For more Drama, Darling, and tons of content, subscribe to my Patreon: http://Patreon.com/dramadarling For more Drama, Darling, and tons of content, subscribe to my Patreon: http://Patreon.com/dramadarling Follow Drama, Darling on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dramadarlingshow/ Email with questions, concerns or tips:DramaDarlingz@gmail.comGet 20% OFF Honeylove by going tohttps://www.honeylove.com/DRAMAPromo Code: DRAMA

Wowie zowie this is a huge episode for songs! Past Gleeks, Claudia and Ian, join this week to Glacket and also discuss the Golden Globes, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the best day of Santana's life, and literally so much more. Songs this episode include: Don't Rain On My Parade (S1) For Good It's All Coming Back to Me Now Jessie's Girl One of Us Take a Bow ---- Become a Patron for exclusive bonus episodes, guest announcements, and access to live episode recordings @ patreon.com/gleekoftheweekpod Rate us five stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts Buy our Merch! Leave us a voicemail @ (732)955-4098 Follow us on Instagram @gleekoftheweekpod Follow us on Tiktok @gleekoftheweekpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dare to be Stupid keeps on rolling!Track 2 is the title track ("Dare to be Stupid," in case you didn't catch that). Along for the ride is (unsurprisingly) Russ and (not totally surprisingly, but less expected) Noah. Noah is, of course, the guy we mean when we say "I Noah guy" on this show. Just exactly how stupid do we dare to get? Listen in and find out!Check out Noah's Twitter and Entertainment Zone YouTube!And, ya know, check out the Infectious Groove Music YouTube channel while you're at it, too. We just hit 3500 subs and over half a million views! WOWIE!Beer'd Al is a stupid member of the OddPods Media Network.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/beer-d-al-podcast--5439475/support.

We've got Rachel from Portland in the house this week on The Pavement Top 50 Countdown. Rachel and jD discuss her Pavement origin story and unveil song number 14. TranscriptTrack 2:[0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. And there it is at track 15 from Wowie Zowie, Rattled by the Rush. What are your thoughts on Rattled by the Rush, Ross from Fife? Well, I already said since I came to it last, Wowie's not my jam. I love it. It's still a Pavement album. It's never the one that I go to. Right. and Rattled by the Rush might be the last pavement hit that I actually heard oh really? Yeah, I don't think I heard it until at some point in the early 2000s I bought, I can't remember what it's called the DVD, Slow Century Slow Century, yeah I think maybe that's the first time I ever heard it oh, because they showed the video on that Yeah, I can't remember if it's the proper video or not. I know that they had to re-release the video because it was making people sick. People used to be such fucking pussies. Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement.Track 3:[1:14] And you're listening to The Countdown. Hey, it's J.D. Here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a calculator watch operated by the power of friendship. How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week, I'm joined by pavement superfan Rachel from Portland. How the fuck is it going, Rachel? Going pretty well, JD. Thanks for having me. No, it's my pleasure. It's good to have you here. Well, let's not waste any time and get right to it. Rachel from Portland. Talk about your pavement origin story.Track 3:[2:07] Hmm. Well, I first started listening to Pavement in high school and I am sure Cut Your Hair was the first song that I heard and it's just so catchy. And I don't even remember like where I heard it. I'm sure it was maybe on the, maybe on the radio, but it really grabbed me. There's something about just that it's so happy and it's so silly and I'm a very silly person and really gravitate towards that kind of music. So I got really curious about Pavement, but you know, Back in the 90s, CDs were really expensive. This was before I've heard a lot of people on your show talk about downloading tracks from Napster. I think I'm a little bit older than that, or maybe I'm a little technically not inclined.Track 3:[2:51] So I made a lot of mixtapes with a tape recorder next to the radio to record songs off the radio. Um so i actually don't really i don't have a super clear memory of of like how it evolved from there i know there were a few other pavement songs that i heard and really liked like specifically trigger cut and and you know just some of the other really um happy ones but but i was also you know um you know getting really into the grateful dead and and other things so i didn't i didn't really pursue my love of pavement a lot but it but it always had this really special place in my heart. I think that when you, uh, the music that you listen to when you're growing up, it kind of just never, like, it always takes you back to that place in a certain way.Track 3:[3:38] Um, so, uh, fast forward and I was, I was in high school, so I was a little too, um, you know, at that point I was kind of like going off and seeing some concerts. I never got to see pavement at that point. Um, but then, uh, fast forward a bunch of years when they got back together for their, reunion tour in 2010, and they'd released... Oh, your dog is so cute. Oh, just a second. Just one second. I'm sorry. Okay. Yes?Track 3:[4:10] Hello? That doesn't typically happen, because typically the door is locked, and that means I'm recording, so I apologize. Now I'll be doing some editing. Are they? Yes, no problem. So they got back to there for their reunion tour and they released Quarantine the Past, Um, which, yeah, which is, is really interesting because in some ways, you know, the albums, there, there aren't some bands I listened to the albums like straight through and some I kind of pick and choose the songs and pavement. I really love listening to the albums themselves, um, and kind of each song in context of the album though. Sometimes I'll, you know, I, I like them more and more. So, um, I, they were coming to, they were coming just outside of Portland to Troutdale that year, and I'm pretty sure it was sold out. And I just had this feeling of like, I have to go. It just like wouldn't, kind of wouldn't leave me. And so I ended up buying tickets from some like strangers off of Craigslist. And I can't remember which of my friends was supposed to go with me, but whoever was supposed to go couldn't make it. And the day before the show, I randomly had, I was going to hang out with a woman that I had met through the yoga studio where I teach. And we were hanging out at her house. It was like our first friend hangout. And I saw that she had pavement tickets on her fridge. Like they were paper tickets.Track 3:[5:40] And I said, are you going to the pavement show tomorrow? She said, yes, I love pavement. And I was like, can I go with you? And so I ended up going with her and her crew to the show. And it was one of, it was at the time, and this was 2010, I've been to a lot of concerts, but it was one of the, the like best shows I've been to in terms of just the energy on the stage and the way it just, the way it made me feel so alive and just so like joyful, you know, with, and, and one thing I love about Pavement is kind of this, this range of emotions that they go through. They have this very, you know, there's this whole thing about them being like slackers and being, you know, but, but they're very smart and they're very silly. And they kind of go from, you know, they kind of, they kind of go from these, like, they go through some really deep themes in their songs. So, you know, which we'll talk about when we get to our song for today. So I, I was after that, I was just so I was so hooked again. And I started like devouring the albums a little bit more and more. And so at that point, I started listening to them a lot more. And then they came back in 2022 to the same venue in Troutdale, Oregon.Track 3:[6:47] And I was so excited. I mean, I bought the tickets as soon as they went on sale. I couldn't wait. And it was a great show. It really, really was so fun. But I couldn't actually, from where I was standing in the venue, I couldn't really see what was going on on stage, which is kind of a bummer because they're so fun to watch them and their interactions. Um but after that show I just had this feeling that was 22 and I had this feeling of I I need I need more pavement I need more pavement now and so I looked at their whole tour schedule and it was like Australia and and I just couldn't do it there was no there was no way I could like drop my whole life to to go on pavement tour you know and they and they just don't I mean they were playing a lot that year but they don't.Track 3:[7:30] They don't play that much generally. And so in January of 23, when I saw them announce Iceland in July, I was like, I'm free those days. And then the cincher was that there's a nonstop flight from Portland to Reykjavik. I was like, nonstop. Really? Yeah, there's a lot of nonstop flights. That's beautiful. And there were a lot of bands at the time that were doing residencies at Harpa, like Papin did. Disco Biscuits did one. um freeze mcgee did one and wilco did one so um and a bunch of my friends are into those those bands and they had gone um for those shows so i just booked the flight and i and i was just like i'm gonna go i bought the tickets for the show and i bought specifically um the front row of the balcony because i really really wanted to see everything that was happening on stage um Um, and I was planning on going alone, you know, just cause there's so many bands that, you know, when I go see shows, I love going with friends and, you know, I'm, I'm a big fish fan and there's so many people in the world who are, who are into fish and they, and so like, when I go see fish, I have to decide, like, should I go with these fish friends or this friend with pavement? There's like, none of my friends are into, almost none of my friends are into pavement, um, which is, which is really sad. And so, um, I was just going to go. You've got some work ahead of you. Well, yeah, yeah, for sure.Track 3:[8:56] And so, but two of my girlfriends really wanted to go to Iceland. And so they joined me on the trip and we ended up extending the trip a little bit. And we went around the whole, we rented a camper van and went around the whole island for a week, which was just out of this world. And I'm so grateful to, and neither of these women like pavement. They both came with me to the first show, but they were not into it. But one of them did all of the planning. She did all of this research and planned out our entire trip around the island. And all I did was listen to as much pavement as I could possibly get my hands on for one.Track 3:[9:35] And so we had an amazing trip. They came to the first show. They weren't into it. And they didn't come to the other shows, which was fine because I'm like, I got to read. I got to read really hard. But I met some really lovely people, other pavement fans. There and the shows were beautiful they played quite a few repeats which were um the second night felt a little like i expected some repeats the second night it felt a little disappointing i was like how could there be so many repeats but by the third night they were mostly repeating stuff that i really like so i was okay with it um and i knew they were gonna do that you know i kind of expected it um there's a it's tough because they took what 70 70 songs on the road I forget. Somebody told us it was either 60 or 70. I was just re-listening to the episode with Steve West that I think maybe came out very recently. And he said 60. He said they took 60 songs on the road. That's who it was. Yeah. Yeah. And then they play 30 songs a night. So you're going to get some repeats. Yeah. Yeah. Which I expected. They did advertise B-sides and rarities for Iceland.Track 3:[10:42] There were only so many, but it still was wonderful. And Harpa is a gorgeous venue. It's beautiful. It was also really funny. There's like no security in Iceland, you know? And so like, I'm so used to like hiding all my things when I go into a show. And like you know nobody they barely looked at my ticket that was pretty funny yeah it was um they they were they were lovely shows i had a really sweet moment um uh i think it was after the first show i was walking with my friends we were maybe a lot we were maybe two blocks from the venue and it's you know it's it's late at night but it's still light out because it was july in iceland and i saw this this kid he was probably maybe seven years old he looked like he He was, I don't know if he was Icelandic or if he was somehow related to the band. I think I've seen pictures of him in the front row from those shows. So maybe he was connected somehow.Track 3:[11:37] But he was this kid and he was walking, I think, with his mother. And we were a few blocks from the venue. And I hear the kid just like, I hear him singing like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And I just perk up and I start singing it with him. And he looks at me and his eyes just light up. And I was like, there's this connection that happens when people, you know, when it's this, it's familiarity. And we just, we didn't speak any words. We just had this like these huge smiles at each other and kept singing it as we were walking. So it was really cute. The magic of pavement. Wow. Cool. I really feel that.Track 3:[12:14] Yeah. Oh, and then, and then after that, you know, they, they, they played those Brooklyn shows. I really wanted to go to them, but I couldn't go because I had to be in New York the next week. I actually had jury duty that week, so I just couldn't get to New York to go to the Brooklyn shows last year. But then this year, and then they played South America this year. I was like, I can't get to those either. I've got a lot of dreams of traveling for music that I can't quite make happen. But then they just played Bumbershoot in Seattle, which is only three hours away. way. And I was like, I was really torn because one of my dear friends was having a big blowout for his 50th birthday that same night. And I was just like, the pavement's not going to play that much longer, I don't think. And he said, I would never fault you for going to see music. So I went by myself. I took the train up to Seattle and had such a great time. And part of the reason I actually wanted to come on your podcast was one of the things that was so interesting to me about being at that show was, After being mostly in the balcony in Iceland, I did go down to the floor for the third night of that run. But I was determined. I was like, I want to be front row center for this show.Track 3:[13:33] And the way that the Bumper Shoot is this really great festival. It's set up in Seattle Center. It's really beautiful. And so I was standing kind of to the outside of the stage where they were going to play as the band before them was finishing. And as soon as they were done, I kind of started walking towards the middle. And there was a spot on the rail I could have taken, but it was off to the side. I really wanted to be more central. So I went all the way to the center and I ended up, you know, like fourth or fifth row. But it was still an hour before they were going to start. And so there were all these people who were also crowding around, like waiting for them. And so a bunch of us ended up sitting down and just chatting. And these two people that I was sitting with and who I talked to a lot, And we, you know, we saved space for each other during that time. It was so fascinating. The, it was this, it was this man and this woman and she had, she had just three weeks ago turned 21.Track 3:[14:28] And, and I know I just, I couldn't believe it. And so I asked her, and so I was like, tell, tell me how you got into pavement, you know, channeling you Diddy. And, and so we had this amazing conversation just about how she got into pavement and her favorite songs and everything. thing. And one of the things that I thought was so interesting, you know, we all know that, you know, pavement's having this TikTok resurgence. I'm not even on TikTok, so I don't know, you know, like all that stuff. But, but it was so interesting to me that there are, you know, and, and, oh, and almost all the, there was a lot of people who were, I'd say in my age range, slightly older than me, you know, maybe like in their fifties who were there, who were like really enjoying the show. But all the, most of the people who are right around me were, were in their twenties and it was so fascinating. And so the idea to me that there are people who, there are people who love pavement, like who are, who, who love pavement and love talking about pavement and love seeing pavement as much as I do, but have a completely different relationship with cut your hair than, than I do, you know, or that people who got into pavement, you know, when they first, when they first came out, it's so different. Um, and I was so fascinated by, by all of that. And then one of the weirdest things was that they didn't play cut your hair at the show. And, you know, I mean, they've played it in every other show I've been at, so it was okay. But I was actually really shocked about it. I was like, you know, they're catering to their new fans and they're not catering to their original fans.Track 3:[15:56] It's very cool to think that, you know, all this touring and the TikTok stuff has really led to a new generation enjoying this band. And that's just a testament to, you know, the music they made, right?Track 3:[16:18] For sure. And it's interesting that they, you know, like in some ways I really appreciate that they're not making new music as pavement. Like I love the new music that they're making. Otherwise I'm a really big fan of, you know, Stephen Malkin's and the Jicks and all of that work. And, and I'm really excited about the hard quartet stuff that's coming out. But, you know, there, there is a part of me that, that wonders, you know, what that would be like. And, and as much as I, in some ways, I wish like pavement hadn't broken up, like the stuff that Stephen Malkin, you know, created afterwards is so, so rich and so brilliant that, you know, I know that that was supposed to happen in that way. Yeah, I liken it to every time I make wishes about changing my past, you know, I think, I can't do that. I have two kids and I don't want anything to happen to them. I don't want to wish them away by accident. That would be terrible. Yeah, you want a butterfly to take your kids away. You know, the same thing goes with this man. Yeah. If they'd been broken up, you'd be on a totally different life path. Totally. Well what do you say rachel from portland that we take a break and then come back and listen to song number 14 yeah i'm into it all right let's do that hey.Track 2:[17:39] This is bob nastanovich from pavement thanks for listening and now on with a countdown down.Track 3:[17:47] 14...Track 3:[21:19] This week, we're on the horn with AT&T. How are you feeling about song number 14, Rachel, from Portland?Track 3:[21:29] I love AT&T. The song is super fun. I really love the way in which, like, the verses go into this, you know, when he goes into the, like, whatever, whatever. And there's a kind of screaming thing in it. It almost feels like the whole song, like, could be complete. And then it like starts again with the second verse, which I really love. Um, I just go, it takes you on a really cool journey. And I also love to me, there's so much like meaning in it. And there's also so much, um, that I don't understand and feels a little bit nonsense, nonsensical to me, um, which, which I, which really, which I also love. Cause that, that really feels part of like the essence of pavement, you know, like there was something really deep and there was something that's really nonsense. Sense and and it's almost like i almost feel like as a band they like both want you to want to figure it out and they're like don't be a fool and try to figure it out i love that yeah i can see that my first talk with spiral stairs ever he talked about the mystery of the band and you know how the first uh couple eps they were just spiral stairs and sm people didn't even quite know on the the first EP, whether the band's name was Pavement or whether it was Slay Tracks.Track 3:[22:49] So they loved that mystery. So who knows, that might have carried forward rather than in Persona, but in the music. That's a nice assessment.Track 3:[23:07] So what else do you think about when you think about this track? This is from Wowie Zowie. Is it one of your standout Wowie Zowie tracks?Track 3:[23:22] Yes and no. I mean, I love Wowie Zowie. It was, you know, I never submitted my top 20 ballot to you because I didn't find out about your podcast until after the ballots were in. And so when I, when I go through my like top 20, there's like, I don't know, 14 or so that are, that are very clearly in my top 14. And then there's, and then there's like 15 songs vying for the last six months. So this wasn't in that original, um, uh, roundup for me, but it is a song I really love. And, and there's most things on Wowie Zowie that I, you know, that again is an album I really enjoy listening to through. Through um and uh and I you know I would never I would never I would never skip this song when it came on it's um uh and now and now that I've like spent so much time listening to it for this podcast it it definitely might it might up its way into my top 20 a little bit um yeah but there's so many good songs on Wawi Zawi it's hard to it's hard to you know um I don't I don't think there's any on wawi zawi that i don't really love that much yeah i put you on the spot yeah, so um what do you think this one's do you have a do you have a take on this on this one i do i do have a take on it and i'm just gonna say i'm gonna preface.Track 3:[24:48] This by saying that um i i'm a life coach and so i think that i'm um coming to this from a little bit of like a life coach you know uh way of viewing it so i also will say that you know that's just my perspective and i i don't need to be right on any of this this is just the interpretation that that i came up with based on reading it um okay so a couple things that so first of all um at&t you know obviously it's a um you know phone company communication company so i think that that in essence there's this idea about, um, the, the way in which we are like in communication with each other, but also the way in which we are in communication with ourselves.Track 3:[25:30] Um, and the way in which that can be like clear and the way in which that can be clouded a little bit. Um, I did, I did go online and just kind of like look up the lyrics and read some things. And there, you know, there's a lot of different, there's a lot of different controversy about the lyrics in terms of, um, the way that they're printed like on the, you know, if you look, if you look at the lyrics, there's a lot of people who are like, no, that's not right. So, so, you know, who knows, who knows about that stuff. But, um, Uh, I, I personally think that there's a, well, let me just tell you, let me tell you what I'm feeling. All right. So, um, so when it starts with this, maybe someone's going to save me. I did, I did read somewhere that it's, that that's kind of like, um, punking Oasis a little bit. I don't know if that's true, but I, I kind of like the idea of it. Um, but, but to me, what it really means is like, I kind of feel that this is somebody who, you know, this song is really kind of speaking about somebody who is almost like afraid to take action in their own life and is kind of like swimming in the soup of what they, of like what they think they're supposed to be doing, you know, whether that's like the corporate ladder or, you know, or having success in certain ways. And so this idea of like, maybe someone's going to save me is, is kind of like, I'm not going to take my own action and I'm just going to kind of wait for someone else to come in and create direction.Track 3:[26:54] And, and so I think that kind of, to me, I really feel that in the, like, the laps I swim from lunatics don't count. Like, I'm like, I think a lot of us take, you know, we do, it's not like we're totally inactive. It's not like we're sitting on the couch all day, like couch potatoes, but we're maybe doing things that, that are, you know, helpful to others, but not necessarily helpful to ourselves, you know, or, or, you know, like, not, not the most urgent or meaningful things that we need to do, even though, even though they're, you know, it's action. So the things that when it when it says that open up your stockings, pull out of the things you never wanted from room service calls. To me, that really has to do with like, The the ways in which, you know, like the limiting beliefs or the bad habits that we've that we've gotten either like from our parents or from society or from the people who cared for us and the ways in which our brains kind of took that and and and turned it into operating systems for how we move through the world, which, you know, I think in general, those are very helpful in the sense that they got us through what we needed to get through. But they're not always helpful because they somehow sometimes they really limit us and they create like false beliefs that keep us from achieving what we want to achieve in our lives i know i'm getting i'm getting real deep here this is just the first verse.Track 3:[28:17] No this is cool i'll tell you what because i'm a little high right now and you're taking me places rachel from portland this is all right so keep at it okay cool so um so the whole idea was like open up your hands and let me see the things you keep in there in there. Like that to me really speaks to me about this idea of like, of like being vulnerable and like showing your true authentic self. And what I think the song is, is kind of challenging is this idea that like.Track 3:[28:46] That it is like, that's how we make real connection. And at the same time, it's really vulnerable and uncomfortable. We don't always want to do it. Right. You know, like and so, and so that, you know, that's kind of, That's kind of how I see this song, that like somebody who's really kind of afraid to connect with their own full, authentic, true self and is kind of experiencing the discomfort of, you know, living in a world where they're like putting on a face.Track 3:[29:19] Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, does it make sense? Maybe you haven't thought about that song this song in that way i haven't thought about it in this way for absolute sure no this is cool um yeah keep yeah keep going i was i had a question slips away, Okay, yeah, let me know if you remember it. So then because then it goes into the like, whenever, whenever I feel fine, which I just love the riff on this. It's so high energy and fun. And then it gets into those really silly, like, like groovy, groovy kitty. But, um, but it's this idea of like, whenever I feel fine, I'm going to walk away from all this, all that. And it's kind of like, I don't know if you've heard people say, I'm sure I'm sure we've all heard people say things like, Oh, I can't do this because of this. Or like, you know, when this thing happens, then I'll be then I'll be able to do this. And it's almost like, wait, you know, I hear the character like waiting for, you know, waiting for that someone's that's going to save me. And when I feel better, then I'm going to do these things as opposed to just taking the action to make themselves be ready to do it. You know, like I'll walk away now as opposed to when I'll walk away whenever it is that I feel better.Track 3:[30:32] And this is where we get to one part where there was a, there's a, what's the word I'm looking for? Discrepancy in the lyrics. The lyrics that I found say, yeah, the lyrics I found say, you skinny, skinny people don't like that when you calm them. But I read online, somebody said, no, it's when you call them or when you call on them, which also works for AT&T. I think both ways work in terms of this interpretation. Like, like people don't like it when you're not authentic with them, you know? And so, or when you, in terms of a calm them, if it is call on them, then it could be like, Like, you know, almost this feeling of fear that if you ask someone for something, then, you know, it's like almost a fear of our own neediness, if that makes sense. You know, like everybody has needs, but nobody wants to be needy, you know, like we all want like, but we all have needs. And so I think if you're, you know, if it's like, if it's saying, you know, people don't like that when you call on them, if that's the lyric, then then there's almost this idea of like, a fear that if I ask someone for something, then they're gonna, you know, then then it's very vulnerable. Again, it puts you out there in a way that could be considered uncomfortable.Track 3:[31:49] Very, very interesting look at that. And it's nice that you prefaced it with your occupation. Because it's... No, where I'm going with this is we all bring our shared experiences to these songs. And you've shared some experiences with people as well. Well, so you're probably bringing all of that, you know, like you've got, yeah, you've given us some stuff to think about. Anyway, that's where I'm going with that. Yeah, for sure. And I wonder if the band would like laugh at me and be like, no, this isn't what it's about at all. I can honestly say all 50 episodes of this, the band would laugh.Track 3:[32:40] I think all 50 episodes. it's like but be grateful as well because they get to meet all all of y'all so that's the cool part as for um in i started university as a poetry major creative writing and poetry and, that's all you do in the first in the first semester is analyze poetry and it's like 90% of it is putting yourself out there, you know, on the limb, right? Most people, most people don't. Well, Rachel from Portland, do you have anything you'd like to plug? Um.Track 3:[33:25] I don't think so. There might, there might be a, a time coming soon where maybe a pavement song might be sung by me somewhere, someplace, but I'm not going to, I don't think I can say too much more about that. So if you happen to be in Portland, you know, you can find me somewhere. Get it recorded and you can submit it to the pod list next year. Oh, maybe I will. See?Track 3:[33:54] That's good. All right. That's what I've got for you. Uh want to thank rachel and i want to definitely thank pavement for at&t and all the other songs that we've heard so far next week we are going to track number lucky number 13, so uh hit the roulette wheel put it all on 13 and just some jd sent you and in the meantime wash your goddamn hands.:Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

This week on the pod, jD sits down with Ross to discuss his Pavement origin story and reveal track 15. Transit: Track 2:[0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. Coming in at number 16, it's Fill More Jive. It's the third song from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, behind Stop Breathing at 28 and Cut Your Hair at 21. So this song actually beats Cut Your Hair, which is, I don't know, is that surprising? Is that surprising to you? You no i'd rather pick bill more jive over over cut your hair but i mean cut your hair is the pop song so yeah yeah that's why i was surprised it wouldn't be in the top five or something i was you know just looking at the spotify uh the spotify plays you know uh-huh cut your hair is like way up there and bill more jive is not right right so is is it do you consider it like a deep cut like when you guys went to it on the most recent tour was it um was it a deeper cut in the bag of songs that you brought yeah i say a deeper cut because i don't think we we did it in 2010, okay and we hadn't done it for years in the 90s like i think we did it in 94 and maybe they did it with Gary too before me.Track 2:[1:23] So I would say it's a deep cut live, but in terms of, you know, records, you know, for people to really enjoy, it's a pretty great number.Track 3:[1:46] Hey, it's Shady here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for sentimental indie rock band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and an abacus for dummies book. How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week, I'm joined by Pavement superfan, Ross from Fife. How the fuck are you doing, Ross from Fife? I'm good. Good from Fife.Track 3:[2:24] Excellent. This is good news. It's always nice to talk pavement with somebody, especially when they're doing well. Well, I don't get enough chances here to talk about anything pavement, so. Well, we're going to do that right now. Let's hear your pavement origin story. Story um well the very first time i heard pavement and this only came back to me in the last couple of weeks uh as i was thinking about you know this interview um and either it was either late 99 or early 2000s my high school girlfriend put major leagues on a mixtape you remember when you used to make mixtapes for you know for sure for your crush or your significant other at the time or whatever yeah she she made me a mixtape with uh major leaks and i i liked it it didn't set me off on my journey or anything you know but that's that's the first time i'm definitely aware of having heard Pavement. Right. A couple of years later, one of my friends.Track 3:[3:38] It was right about the time of, like, Eminem was huge. Dr. Dre had just released 2001. Yeah. Snoop Dogg was big. One of my friends flipped almost overnight from being an indie rock fan to a hip-hop fan. Oh, wild. So, yeah, I guess he was giving away his old CDs that he didn't listen to anymore or whatever. And he gave me Terror Twilight. It was a... I can't remember if he thought, right, Ross would like this or if he was just getting rid of it, you know? Yeah. But it really took me by surprise. I really liked it.Track 3:[4:27] At the time I was technically homeless. I wasn't living on the streets or whatever. I was crashing on people's couches. I was going through the sort of system like halfway houses and whatever. So I didn't have much possessions. but one of the one things I did have was Terror Twilight, and I would listen to it all the time while playing my Nintendo Game Boy or whatever and, it kind of felt like a it felt like a secret you know like my secret, because I'd never met another single living soul who had heard of Not just the album, but the band. I remember round about, it would have been the back end of 2001.Track 3:[5:28] Just pre-9-11, which seems weird, but that's the way that I remember this particular. I was on a lunch break at my first job, and I read a review of the first Malcolm A Soul album.Track 3:[5:49] And the review spent more time talking about Pavement than it did, you know, his new band, basically stating that, you know, these guys are legends, just they didn't get their due or whatever. No, I agree with that. So, yeah, a year later or whatever, I've got Terra Twilight, I love it. These guys are such enigmas to me you know this is before I was on the internet I couldn't Wikipedia them, I couldn't you know, there was no YouTube, stuff like that and by the way all this is, well some of this is on your 17th or 18th episode Krelvid User, you read out my letter oh gosh I had totally forgotten about that I remember I have a terrible memory you asked for submissions because back then a lot of the songs were quite short or even non-existent so yeah I got day drunk one day.Track 3:[7:10] I'd been out with colleagues and I thought I'm going to write JD a letter and tell him how I yeah so.Track 3:[7:20] My next the next part of the story is, I knew about the re-releases I think at some point, I don't know why I bought Sebado 3, the re-release of that album and, the album on the front it had a sticker with some sort of blurb from a music journalist saying that, This album, along with Pavement, created the blueprint for American indie. Jesus, high praise. Again, that just put it in my head. And I didn't even like Sebado Free that much. I quite like the band altogether, but I don't think it's a great album. So round about that time we're still talking about 2002 3, 4 maybe I don't have a great memory either, I go to Glasgow to watch a British band Rubin, I don't think they're around.Track 3:[8:30] Anymore but their first couple of albums were pretty good we go to King Tut's Wawa Hut, which is quite a famous venue because it's where uh oasis got signed by creation really yeah oh cool um it's a tiny place you can only fit you know two three hundred people in it maybe even then that might be a fire hazard uh but even before before the gigs played and the the venue's underground, it's like in a basement, before the gig me and a couple of friends are upstairs and I'm going through the jukebox, they've got one of these sort of.Track 3:[9:20] They're old fashioned now, but at the time they were quite modern, the jukeboxes where the album covers flip over in front of you, you know? Yeah. And I find a pavement, Slandered and Enchanted, and it's like, oh, that's that band, that's Territorial, you know, I keep hearing about them. So I stick five songs on, don't even hear them because, you know, the bar's so crowded, so noisy. But still it sticks in my head I want to learn more you know so a short time after that, I'm shopping locally in the nearest sort of large town.Track 3:[10:09] And I go into MVC it's a I don't know if it was an offshoot of HMV. I don't know if you've got any of this in Canada or not. You did have HMV at one time. Yeah, but they're all gone now anyway. And I find a copy of the Crooked Rain re-release. Okay. But it's like £25 or something. I was making decent money at the time. I had my first proper well-paying job. I had disposable income I was no longer homeless, But I'm not going to spend £25 on this CD I've got no idea if it's good or it's bad There's like 50 tracks So I know I'm probably going to get some sort of value for money.Track 3:[11:06] I leave. I think nothing else of it. About half an hour later, I go around the corner, and there's this independent record store sleeves. People in Fife will mourn it forever. It's gone now as well, as most independent record stores probably are. But in there, I find a copy of the re-release for £5. What? yeah it's a bit battered it's a bit broken as I think all pavement records should be, but yeah no questions asked I immediately buy it.Track 3:[11:52] I read on the bus home I read the, sort of the booklet that comes with it which just the whole time it's just adding to the mystique you know because I think Malkmus writes, I think it's from an old like, article he writes like an explanation for each song and it's never quite clear if he's just taking the piss or not, he says about stop breathing is a bit of a tennis match I was like, why wouldn't it be, you know? So, yeah, that night, the Saturday night, it burned in my memory. I mentioned this in the Creelvid user video as well.Track 3:[12:46] All my friends are going out on the town which was never an exciting occasion, but this night especially I put my foot down and said I'm not coming out I've got to paint a wall which I did, I had a wall to paint in my living room or wherever but my main reason for staying in was I wanted to listen to Crooked Ruin, Wow So I get everything ready I get A couple of beers ready Like take a couple of bong hits Or whatever I used to do that by then.Track 3:[13:28] And I get the I get the CD ready And the stereo you know And as soon as I switch it on I'm just transfixed, Like The intro to Silent Kid Or Silent Kit whatever they call it is still one of the most exciting pieces of music to me. It's fucking spectacular. Yeah, but I'd never heard a band do that. I know they've got a reputation of not giving a fuck, and a lot of bands tried to affect that feeling back then, but this is the first time I'd ever truly heard it. Yeah, yeah. Just the build-up and you hear them talking to each other and it's like, we're just going to leave that in? And it's like, yeah, of course we are. That's the recording, you know. And I just sat down on the edge of the couch, just staring at the stereo.Track 3:[14:35] And then every song after that just added to the... It was... Yeah, it was the most exciting night of music I've ever had. Oh, Jesus, that gives me goosebumps. And for, like, a good maybe six months after that, I think it's all I listened to. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain. And of course there was a lot to listen to because it was the re-release so I got all the.Track 3:[15:10] I got all the demos of B-Sides as well and this was, perhaps, you could call it their golden era you know it had another one of my favourite pavement tracks Grounded, it had the demo of that so you got like a sort of, you know a sneak peek of what was to come, but yeah after that I think all my friends got sick of me, talking about pavement going on about pavement and it still happens quite a lot these days, you'd hear a new song on the radio and I'd say that's just a fucking pavement rip off, you know it still happens to this day I hear a song and I think, nah, you're the biggest band in Britain just now, probably, or Wet Lake, you heard them? No, I've not. Oh, they went really viral a couple of years ago with their first video, which is She's Long. Yeah. But yeah, they're big. They're quite popular in my work. I'll run Night Shift. Sometimes the radio sucks. Sometimes it's pretty cool.Track 3:[16:33] But yeah, they were getting played in the radio quite a bit. I went and listened to their album. And the final track on the album is called Supermarket. Okay. And I'm not going to call it a pavement ripoff, but it's definitely pavement inspired. Really? Yeah. It's like they sat down and thought, like, let's write a pavement song, you know? Not rip off a Pavement song, but let's write an homage. Yeah. You can go and check it out afterwards. It's kind of Wally's Alley-ish. Huh. But yeah. What's your go-to record at this point? Oh, that's always going to be Crooked Rain. Yeah? Always. Just because of those memories? Because of the night it blew me away, you know? Yeah. Second, I would say, was Slanted. That's the record I came to next.Track 3:[17:27] Believe it or not, probably my least favorite, and there is no least favorite, it's still a pavement record. Probably the one I go to least is Wowie. Oh, yeah? And I think that's just because that's the one I came to last. Right.Track 3:[17:46] But yeah, I was thinking of weird pavement stuff to tell you. After all, the very first time I listened to WALL-E, or not the first time I listened to it, but probably my favorite song on WALL-E is Father.Track 3:[18:04] Father to a Sister of Thought. Fucking brilliant song, yeah. And in that song, they mention Corpus Christi. Right. Right. The very first time I heard that song, I was driving my car. And they mentioned the Corpus Christi part. And straight away, I receive a phone call from my dad who was working in Corpus Christi. Get out of here. Yeah, seriously. That's fucked. He was in Texas, and he phones me, and I've just heard this Corpus Christi line. Like, what the hell? and I didn't even pull over to take the phone call, which is technically illegal. Well, I'm going to turn you in. Another thing is it was weird with pavement. Once I knew of them, once I... Go into them i saw them everywhere it's like oh yeah it's like when you've never heard a word before and you hear a new word and suddenly you just hear it everywhere you know right um so yeah the other sort of weird kind of thing is uh a couple years after that i'm moved to.Track 3:[19:26] They call it a city it's not really a city dundee in scotland not a nice not a nice place, so I'd start sort of dating this girl I can't even remember if we were dating at the time, she was a bit weird I realised far too late that she was highly autistic but we were math students so that comes to the territory, and one of the weirdest things about her is she was obsessed with this cartoon from the 90s, Space Ghost. Okay, yeah. So one day we go out for coffee, and just before we go to the coffee shop, I go and buy the Bright in the Corners re-release. And what are the last two songs on it? Space Ghost. Space Ghost theme, yeah. I think that made her like me more, you know. So it went in my favor. Nicely done. Well, what do you say we get into listening to track number 15? What is that? Well, we're not going to tell you until after this break. Okay. All right, we'll be right back.Track 2:[20:53] Hey, this is Bob Mustanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening, and now on with a countdown.Track 3:[25:25] And there it is at track 15 from Wowie Zowie, Rattled by the Rush. What are your thoughts on Rattled by the Rush, Ross, from Fife? Well, I already said since I came to it last, Wowie's not my jam.Track 3:[25:47] I love it. It's still a pavement album. It's never the one that I go to. Right. and Rattled by the Rush might be the last pavement hit that I actually heard. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't think I heard it until at some point in the early 2000s. I bought, I can't remember what it's called now, the DVD. Slow Century. Slow Century, yeah. Yeah. I think maybe that's the first time I ever heard it. Oh because they showed the video on that right yeah I can't remember if it's the proper video or not I know that they had to re-release the video because it was making people sick, people used to be such fucking pussies, yeah um and I don't dislike the song or anything um if it's number 15 that's kind of surprising it wasn't in my top 20 No. It probably would be in my top 50. Okay. It sounds like I'm hating here. I'm not hating. No. At all.Track 3:[27:07] Well, you definitely think it's overrated at 15, so that's... Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Definitely. The most interesting thing is obviously the lyrics. It's like a typical sort of malchemist crossword yeah I would agree with that I took a few notes, the opening line oh that I could bend my tongue outwards leave your lungs hurting.Track 3:[27:42] Could be sexual. Could be? It could also pertain to that tongue trick thing where people can fold their tongue up, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a little research and apparently 73% of adults can do it. I cannot do it. I can't either, but I've learned that you can teach yourself to do it. Oh, really? yeah i was i i work night shift so you've got to find ways to pass the time yeah exactly um and that was a thing that was going about work a couple of years ago everybody asking can can you do it can you not and i can't do it but i have learned that you can teach yourself but you haven't taught yourself well I, I got I got halfway there but I forgot to keep like doing it you know gotcha it was it was never, maybe if I put it together for a pavement song that would have helped.Track 3:[28:53] Yeah after that we've got leave your lungs hurting tuck in my shirt and pints I wear so well cross your t-shirt smell well, that's just good malchus wordplay, right? Yeah. Maybe there's a specific meaning. Obviously, there's a theme there, clothing.Track 3:[29:16] After that, we come on to the best line in the song, maybe the best line in Pavement's entire discography, caught my dad crying. Yes. I wrote down here maybe it's better we don't know what it means yeah I mean I don't think for a single second Malcolm has walked in on his dad crying, but just the imagery the thoughts it's, The crucial word is caught. He could have said, saw my dad crying. He could have said, found my dad crying. But he says caught. Right. Like it's a bad thing, you know.Track 3:[30:03] So, yeah, God knows what to say about that. It's just a great line, you know. I agree. After that, we've got, Loose like the wind from the rough we get par. This is one of my favorite things about Pavement. They like to make sports metaphors they do yeah and we've got a whole song about sports and London Lions that was in my top 20, we've got bring on the major leagues possibly their biggest hit yeah but also just the line from the rough we get par, that would indicate to me after a bad start things have turned out alright right.Track 3:[30:47] And I know there's a prevailing feeling that the whole song is about their career or where their career has taken them I didn't know that well just the whole rattled by the rush just them being affected by, whatever level of fame they'd built up I didn't hear Pavement until 99 so I didn't get to witness the, right the ascent or the rise or whatever right you know right but yeah i've heard in doing a lot of research i did that this the whole song was about their you know them struggling to cope with you know whatever rise the rise to fame yeah and i do know from reading the liner notes and uh.Track 3:[31:39] In both Crooked Reign and Huawei re-releases that they were kind of fighting back against it. Maybe not fighting back against it, I think that gets overplayed sometimes. But I think Mark missed his explain. Maybe on Huawei or the Crooked re-release that they were kind of scared.Track 3:[32:08] You know how could you not be they were like a couple dudes from Stockton you know that were that recorded some noise art and next thing you know cut your hair comes out and that I would say is the biggest song oh yeah definitely I find that at the time as well it was just a really big time for music yeah a lot of majors were looking for the next Nirvana that's right Pavement were never going to be that. But they could have filled a hole, filled a gap. Spin Magazine named them the best band, pardon me, the best album of 2000, no, not 2000, 1992. Before the album even came out, right? Before it was chanted, yeah. No, no, it had come out. It had come out. It was the number one record of the year for 1992. So they came with a lot of buzz, like a lot of buzz. I remember reading the sort of tapes that they sent out for slanted they didn't send many out but every single one found its way to someone influential that's right I don't know if they were friends but they were fucking around with Sonic Youth.Track 3:[33:27] Certainly helped they opened for Sonic Youth on the UK tour yeah first time in the UK in 92 so that was there's a great Nostanovich podcast with another Canadian guy.Track 3:[33:42] There's like music journalism online oh is it creative control I think that's what it is I think that's what it is he explains that him Malkmus and Berman got a Nirvana show, cancelled, not cancelled but shut down in New York because they were being so boisterous. Really? Yeah, and this was before Nirvana took them to Redden and stuff, you know? Wow. So they were in that... They were in that space. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.Track 3:[34:17] They probably were getting a lot bigger than they thought they'd ever be, were ever prepared to be. Absolutely. Especially, you know, Slanted came out with a lot of hype, but Crooked Rain all of a sudden was this record that had hits on it, gold sounds and cut your hair. So, you know, I think a lot of people got maybe a bit carried away about what they could be. Well, one of the things, it doesn't fit into the hype, one of the things I wanted to mention about Crooked Rain maybe one of the reasons I liked it so much is it's a little bit what I call country fried, okay yeah I can see that father to sister of thought especially right well that's wowie, Crooked Rain's got his own range life I'm sorry but whenever an indie rock band, introduces a little element into country, I call it Country Frights. Country Frights.Track 3:[35:14] Crookheads and while we are definitely Country Frights, one of my favourite modern bands, Parkey Courts, they're a bit Country Frights. I've heard a lot of comparisons to Pavement with them. Well, the reason I first listened to Parkey Courts is I've seen an article where Malchmus was in a record store and he heard Parkey Courts and he thought it was Pavement. Jesus Christ, really? That's the reason I first listened to them, you know? Yeah. And? What do you think?Track 3:[35:50] Their first album, definitely, I could see the comparisons. The same kind of attitudes, like not really caring about tunings or you know. Just the first take's good enough no matter what. But that is a real good album. You should listen to Lie Up Gold, Parquet Courts. I'll check it out. Yeah, it's very, very good. I was trying to think. Meat Puppets, they were kind of country fried. Yeah, yeah. Have you got anything else on Brattled by the Rush? Well, it might destroy every argument I've already made, but the first chorus, I'm Drowning for Your First, that reads to me like being desperate for someone's attention, And that's not pavement at all, you know? No, no. Maybe that's something very personal to Malchus. Yeah, I'm drowning for your... The second album's kind of... The second verse, I think he's just showing off. Rhyming candelabra with Barbara.Track 3:[37:12] There's other lines. get all those hard hats and sing us some scat. I just think he's scatting himself there, you know? Yeah. Although the very last line, again, it's one of their best. I don't need a minister to call me a groom. I love it. What does that mean to you? What does it mean to me? I think, well, I don't need a minister to call me a groom. Like, you can, like, fuck religion. and you can go and get married or you can do whatever you want.Track 3:[37:47] Well, this is maybe just completely personal to me. Have you ever been in a sort of strictly friends with benefits relationship? No. No. Well, I have. I was for a couple of years. And to be honest, it was maybe the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. But um i noticed during that time that friends of mine who were in traditional relationships, they fucking hated it oh wow because i was getting all the good stuff without, all the bad stuff you know and i never had to meet her parents i never had to go on any any dates with Ikea. See what I did there? I got it. Yeah, so every time I hear, I don't need a minister to call me a groom. That's what comes to mind. Really? That's just maybe because of, you know, where I was at the time. Yeah.Track 3:[38:53] But yeah, again, I've seen that linked back to the music industry. And I guess Malcomus doesn't need I don't know who the minister is but to call me a groom would be to call me a star you know, okay I can he's already a star selling you know a quarter of what other bands are, and then of course they go on I'm rattled by the rush I'm rattled by the rush etc that that.Track 3:[39:29] And I know that Pavement's writing is sometimes a bit obtuse or weird, but that has to be a reaction to whatever level of fame or popularity they've gained by that point. I can see it. We've got the interlude, no soap in the John. That's very funny. I know that John's a sort of Americanism for toilet. Yeah. So to me, that would mean no sort of airs or graces.Track 3:[40:06] Or they're not going to clean themselves up for whatever, whoever. You've done a deep dive on some of these. I've thought about it a little bit. Yeah, you have. I've had a lot of time recently.Track 3:[40:23] Well, dude, speaking of time, it's been a great time hanging out with you talking pavement. I really appreciate you making some time for me and doing this, hearing your pavement origin story and talking about Song 15. Next week, we're going to hit Song 14, and I'm going to tell you what it is right now. No, I'm not. I'm just kidding. All right everybody is there any clue is there any clues you can give to like not what's in the top 10 or not a bit no way is there anything that took you by surprise, it all took me by surprise so far yeah we're gonna at the end of the series we're gonna do some sort of round table with people who haven't got a chance to be on and they will um, discuss the list as a whole because they'll have the entire list at that point. It's difficult, you know, recording this and you don't know all the songs that come before it. But hey, that's part of the game. I should point out that with my whole Crooked Re experience, Gold Sounds is my number one favorite song from anyone of all time and it's probably never going to change. It's a fucking great song. And if it's not number one, I'm going to write.Track 3:[41:44] All right, dude. Talk to you soon. Wash your goddamn hands.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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jD is joined by Mike Hogan from the 3 songs podcast w/ Bob Nastanovich. Learn about the Meeting Malkmus origin story while Mike shares his Pavement origin story and dissects song seventeen on the countdown.Transcript:Track 1:[0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50.Track 2:[0:02] So today we're talking all about song number 18 from the masterpiece Wowie Zowie. It's the absolutely gorgeous father to a sister of thought. Vish, what are your initial thoughts about this song? Well, you know, I was so happy that we landed on this as a song to talk about because I do love Wowie Zowie. I have a sense memory of picking it up when it came out i think the day it came out this is interesting it's a really fascinating song because in some ways it's super accessible uh musically uh it leans with the pedal steel and some of the other moves it leans towards kind of country music um i will say uh as i was pondering it i i mean i i know we are in a vacuum here of people who love pavement right and who love Stephen Malcomus, but as I was listening to this in preparation for our chat, I'm like, Malcomus is like an underrated everything.Track 1:[1:04] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown.Track 3:[1:12] Hey, it's J.D. here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to countdown the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a four-slice toaster I had fashioned into a time machine. Now I pull the blinds of the time curtain. Yesterday is totally getting a do-over. How will your favorite song fare in the rankings? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that. This week I'm joined by Pavement superfan Mike fucking Hogan. How the hell are you, Mike? I'm doing good, JD. JD uh it's nice to talk to you yeah it's nice to talk to you too I've listened to you you know uh over the years with Bob on the on the pod and uh we've been lonesome for you yeah I was uh you know in advance of this I was like god when did we start that podcast and I looked the first episode was August of 2017 um and we did 177 episodes the last one being December of of, uh, 2022. And I think that was the only one we did that year too. I don't know. I haven't, I haven't checked, but yeah, we were pretty, we were pretty active, uh, for a few years with some breaks in between. Um, but, uh, but yeah, um, it was fun.Track 3:[2:39] So will the podcast be dusted off at some point? Will we get the Pavement-esque reunion tour? That's kind of the open question. I wouldn't say no. We don't have any immediate plans. The last time I talked to Bob about it was probably about, I don't know, four or five months ago. And he said maybe after the new year. You know, I think we we really paused things because, you know, obviously Pavement was rehearsing and then touring and things were hectic. We actually had this I had this idea to do a different like tour diary podcast in every city. Yeah.Track 3:[3:21] Like, you know, of course, the podcast that we did was very synchronous where we would talk back and forth. We would play songs but i was i had this idea where he would asynchronously record like five or ten minutes about like i'm in kansas city and here's my experience with kansas city and then we he'd pick a song that was kansas city based and i'd pick you know but it never it never ended up working out it would have been fun maybe damn that would have been great yeah maybe on the next reunion tour maybe the next reunion tour but yeah i think you know i mean between that and you know he's had some life changes i've had some life changes we kind of just were like let's take a pause let's um maybe start fresh you know after 177 episodes it's like how many different bands can you talk about that you haven't talked about in the first 176 so uh um you know i think if we came back we would probably you know might keep the same format but allow ourselves the opportunity to revisit and almost treat it as a fresh start. Hmm. That's interesting. You heard it here first, folks. No promises, you know, but no promises either way, really. Right. That's cool. It's, you know, you're saying there's a chance.Track 3:[4:41] Cool. Well, let's get right into it. Let's talk about your pavement origin story. story? Boy, um, I think I first heard of pavement. Um, I wasn't early enough to get the first seven inch. Um, but I think maybe the first drag city seven inch, um, it was probably the first time I'd heard of them. I don't know if I even bought it at the time I was in that era. I was in college. I was at very active in the college radio station at Santa Clara University KSU. And I was a music director for a little while. And there, you know, obviously, Pavement was getting a bit of buzz. And I remember them just being this band that had put out a few singles. They were getting written up in zines. You know, there wasn't social media. So there wasn't any of that buzz at that time. And it was it was like unless you had someone that had a copy you you know It was almost impossible to even find in stores, So they had this just kind of air about them of like and and there were no photos of them There weren't even their names. It was just SM and spiral stairs, and it was just this like very.Track 3:[6:02] Mysterious like who the hell are these guys and then little bits would come out where it was like Like, oh, you know, one of them worked at the Whitney as a as a as a guide. And they recorded in this in the studio in Stockton. And, you know, the the the drummer is the guy that runs the studio. He's just this old crazy dude. You know, it was just like little bits of information would kind of come out. And I think I think really what kind of hooked me was probably the 10 inch perfect sound forever. And then by the time Slandered and Enchanted came out, it was like I was full on waiting for it. And I think the first time I saw them, the only time I saw them until the reunion tour a couple years ago, was in San Francisco at the Kennel Club a week before Slandered and Enchanted came out.Track 3:[6:56] Was released. And shit. Yes, because I worked at the radio station, we had an advanced copy. So I was I was like, vigorously listening to the record. And so totally prepared for the show. And it's funny, because I think it was written up in one of the papers, one of the San Francisco papers, because the buzz was already even big. Even though Matador was still a pretty small label at the time. It was like this local band, local ish band is kind of getting uh some attention and uh it was funny the show was sold out and gary was out front like shaking people's hands as they walked into the show like could not believe that everybody was there to see him you know he'd been trying for years and years to hit it big in the music industry and couldn't believe that these two weird college kids that came into his studio was like his venue for We're actually getting some level of success. So it was kind of cool.Track 3:[7:59] Oh, very cool. Yeah. How was that show? It was, it was amazing. It was a little, um, ramshackle as some of their shows back then could have been. Um, but I just remember, you know, because I was so excited for it. Um, I just remember being like, odd, like, wow, this is great. You know? And then I never got a chance to see them again until they did the reunion tour. Uh, it was probably 30, a little over 30 years between my first and second pavement show that's hey you know what when you see them before slant it drops you're doing pretty good right like i like i think that's phenomenal i think the article in the paper said it would be like their 20th show that they played or something like that so it was certainly one of you know because before then they were just a recording band and you know they didn't it was you know all of the i think the earlier records were just the two of them plus gary uh and so they they sort of had to figure out like how are we as a band when we're playing out live and uh you know it was early enough that i think that i was still seeing some of that evolution of what pavement would become oh that is so fucking cool i you You know, I didn't get on board until very late, very late. So they were already broken up. Like, yeah.Track 3:[9:23] So, yeah, I got on board very late. And it's just listening to all this kind of talk, which I've heard, you know, a lot. I've done a lot of these at this point, these interviews and listening to people's pavement origin stories. Uh, you know, there's a lot of people who came late, but the people who came early have really fantastic stories. Like, you know, the fact that, uh, there were a mystery, you know, and that's something when I interviewed spiral, he said they really, that was something that was really important to them. And in fact, he was disappointed when they sort of dropped the. Like he wished they could have kept going with the – I don't know how they would have done that. Played in lucha masks or something? I don't know. Daft Punk did it for how many years, right? Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Or the residents. I mean it had been done before. But yeah, that was certainly part of the mystique for me. And seeing them, like, wow, they're real people when I saw them live. It was like – this is the, you know, yeah, the reveal of the curtain.Track 3:[10:31] But yeah, and that was why when slanted, I mean, perfect, perfect sound forever, too. But especially when slanted dropped, it was like felt very fresh, felt familiar, but totally different at the same time. And that's why in some ways, I think my experience of pavement is just naturally different from somebody that experienced them later when they already had this full body of work. And you could see you could see that progression because there was just this question of where were they going and what would they do next and um i can imagine the ep that came after was like oh my god these four songs are just amazing incredible like like and and it was uh.Track 3:[11:19] Yeah it was interesting it was um a very exciting time and they were like a very important band for me in that, in that period of my life. I bet. So what, um, is your go-to record at this point? Do you have one or, I mean, I know that's a tough question because it probably changes week, week over week, but you know, just think about right now, what would you, if, if we get off the phone here and you want to just reminisce about some pavement, what are you going to throw? It's hard because, you know, I think as somebody who had that level of experience about like this mystique early on and the seven inches were and, you know, the early albums were really just so ingrained in my memory. Like, I almost don't need I listened to Slandered and Enchanted before our talk today. And it was probably the first time in a couple years that I'd listened to it. But it was like, I knew every one of those songs. So in intimately, I knew every note, every lyric, every, you know, Baba Baba, you know, like every little like, like, part of the songs in a way that the later albums.Track 3:[12:38] I'm not as intimately familiar with. So when I listen to a later record, it's almost like hearing it fresh. And I can't distance myself from my experience of like Perfect Sound Forever back when it came out, or Slanded went back when it came out. But that said, I think if I were to just be like, I wanna put on a record, um well i mean watery domestic is probably my favorite piece of work that they did but it's only four songs so it's wrong but it's so fast yeah it just is over so quickly and i think i only had it on cd i only recently bought the the vinyl of it and i didn't realize that the little like you know that little like transitional piece i didn't realize it was at the end of a song i thought it was the intro of a song because i always just listened to the cd ah and it just went i never paid enough attention to it because i didn't listen to it on shuffle or anything um and so it was almost revelatory when i got it on vinyl i was like this is like the way it's supposed to be like and then i flipped the side over um so that must have been brain busting It was kind of weird. I thought that was the intro to the song, but it was really the outro.Track 3:[14:04] Well, speaking of Pavement songs, should we get into the song that you're going to cover? Yeah, let's do it. All right. We'll be right back after listening to song number 17.Track 1:[14:19] Hey, this is Bob Nestanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening. And now on with a countdown.Track 2:[14:28] 17.Track 3:[16:10] There you have it. Song number 17 is Zurich is Stained from the debut long play Slanted and Enchanted. Mike, is this song in fact slanted and or enchanted? Discuss. Yes, indeed. I love this song. This song, it really is. And it's sort of an oasis. I love where it appears on the record. it's coming straight out of the chaos of uh conduit for sale and right before the chaos of chelsea's little wrists and you get this like really light breezy but fast song i mean it's not a ballad it's not like here it is it is this breezy light almost feels like it would be.Track 3:[17:03] At home on the velvet underground's third record you know there's this mood to it that feels, in some ways different from earlier in the record and even what comes a little later where there's a lot of like fuzz and noise it's just this light little break um that's almost this perfect little slice of i don't even know how long it is but i'm guessing it's less than two minutes it's It's just, uh, yeah, it's, it's in and out. Yeah. It's in and out. And, and the whole time Malchmus, I don't think really pauses the vocals for more than a second or two. It's just beautiful little instrumentation with his vocals kind of just strung throughout it all. Yeah. I'm singing it in my head right now. It's right. It's, it's, uh.Track 3:[17:59] I mean, you know, and it's like the chorus keeps coming back and then he ends it with the, you know, like just it is a perfect little song. It's just a perfect slice of, and if I were to play somebody that had never heard Pavement, if I would play them, what is from a songwriting perspective, what is a quintessential Pavement song? You know, there are probably a few others that might come to mind, but this is like one of those like sleeper cuts. It's just such a perfect little song that doesn't get the buzz of like the Summer Babes or, you know, some of the more hit songs. I just I love it, though. yeah it's a it's a it's a really great song it's very different from the rest of the record for for sure it like maybe even it's like more at home on crooked rain crooked rain like you know like just sonically but uh but you're right where it hits in the record is is just is just right and And it's a refreshing little wafer, you know, before the next meal. Yes. Or the next course.Track 3:[19:22] Yeah. I think because of where it hits in the record, it feels mellower, you know? Feels in contrast to some of the other songs that come before and after it. What did you say is right before it? Conduit? Conduit, yeah. Okay, yeah. So it comes out of that frantic chaos into this breezy little, there's like the twang guitar, there's no fuzz, it's just this kind of light, catchy little, very short song, song, but that feels fully formed. It's not one of those songs that feels too short. You know, it just is like an idea song. Like, like there's a lot of those on Wowie, for example. Right. Yeah. Yes. Right. Or, you know, I mean, I can even think of like Emmett Rhodes lullaby. I don't know if you know that song. It's, it's, it was used. I first heard of it in, um, I think Royal Tenenbaums, one of those Wes Anderson movies, but, um, it's a beautiful little song and it's It's only a minute long, and it just feels too short. Zyrka's Dane does not like that. It just feels fully formed, even though it's only a minute in, I don't know, 50 or something. Yeah.Track 3:[20:41] What was I going to ask you? I was going to ask you if you've got a line on what it's potentially about. And if not, that's cool. I don't know. No, I mean, I miss Malcolm. This is hard. I, I kind of try not to read in too much to the lyrics because I also don't really trust the lyrics. Um, if you know what I mean, like if the lyric sheet, um, is often or not, I wouldn't say often, sometimes the lyric sheet, Like I'm looking at the lyric sheet right now that is included in the vinyl of Slanted and Enchanted. And the one that stands out is not necessarily Zerka Stain, but on Loretta's scars, you know, the, the line from now on, I can see the sun is always what I knew it to be. But the lyric sheet says from now on, I can see the slums. And so. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I sort of, especially with Mouthmasters lyrics, I try not to read too much into it. It's just this like, kind of catchy thing.Track 3:[22:06] You know, like a jumble of words that make sense within the music of the song. I call it word salad. Yeah. I call it word salad. You get a tasty morsel in every forkful. You know, there's a little bit of everything. There's imagery. There's, you know, these slant rhymes sometimes. Really cool phrases. Memorable phrases. Yes. I almost feel like, you know, I can't sing it strong enough is a great line. I don't know what it's about. Right. And I don't even know if it's about, I mean, the song is Zurich is Stained. I don't even think it's about Zurich. There's no other sort of mention of it. Yeah, I mean, right. Like, it's okay. It's not your fault. Cool. cool.Track 3:[22:57] Whose fault is it? Do we even care? I don't know. I just try not to. I try not to read too much into it. And I think one of the one of the things that I noticed and what I've always kind of tried to avoid when I would talk music, you know, the songs when when Bob and I did three songs, but is I would, I would try and talk about the music and not try to analyze the lyrics so much, unless there was something that really like, like stood out and grabbed me and resonated with me. Um, but yeah, I think, I think Malchmus is especially at this phrase, you know, phase of his career. I felt like each line was its kind of own self-contained mini story and often didn't even like match or connect or follow the line that came after it um so to your question what's the song about i have no idea that's cool well i'll pivot completely then and we'll go back to three songs for a minute how the fuck you know did you and bob connect yeah this is this is kind of.Track 3:[24:09] Obviously, I was a fan for a while, for a long time. And I'm thinking back in 2013, I moved to New York City. And I started working at a horse racing company. Okay. And actually, it probably was 2014 that I moved there in 2013. Probably a year later, I got the job at the horse racing company. And as I'm sure you know, Bob has always been interested in horse racing. And what he was, I was based in New York, he was based in Iowa. But he was the local representative for the Iowa racetrack for the company that I worked for. And so when I get there and I see, you know, Bob Nastanovich, I'm like, hey, man, what's up? And we started working together for work. And then I was at some point I was like, you know, I'm familiar with your band, Bandza, you know, because I was also certainly familiar with the Silver Jews as well. So good. And so we just became friends. I worked there. I think Bob got laid off because horse racing is not really a growth industry. So Bob got laid off. And then a year or two later, I got laid off.Track 3:[25:37] But we were always friendly friends. I'd consider us friends. We became friends, even though we lived a couple thousand miles away from each other. Yeah um and after i got laid off in 2017 i was like hey i got some time now you want you want you want to do a music podcast um and he was like yeah sure and so we threw around ideas of like what it would be about and how we would approach it what we would call it all of that and he suggested three songs and we just kind of bandied back and forth uh you know hey this is this is is sort of how i want to do it i just want it to be like two friends talking music and sharing music that we like with each other kind of like the way it was back when pavement started when you just couldn't find things online there was no online you just had to hear about it because somebody you knew was into it and be like oh you got to check this out you'll love it so that was sort of the spirit of it we started i think our first episode i know our first episode i didn't have a mixer it sounds like shit you couldn't really hear bob bob couldn't hear the songs um but i just left it up anyway because they were good songs and it just it was uh a good a good chat um and then by episode two i got i bought a mixer and a mic and uh we're we're off.Track 3:[27:00] Game changed. Game changed. And we, yeah, we were friends for probably two and a half years before we did the podcast. Yeah. And then we did the podcast for probably another two and a half years before we met in person. So I knew Bob and was friends with Bob for five years before we'd ever. And you guys did an episode together in person, right? We did one episode in person. Yeah. Okay. I remember listening to that one. Yeah. I mean, I've listened to a bunch, but I specifically remember that one. Yeah. It was sort of weird because we're doing this with video. I can see you, so you can see me. I can see when you're ready to talk. We didn't do any of that. Bob didn't want to be on camera. He felt uncomfortable. He's out on his back porch. He's just running around. You'd hear the dog in the background. So I didn't know when he was done talking, and we would sometimes talk over each other. So doing the one in person when we could actually see each other's cues was a little strange, to be honest. Because we had done, I don't know, at that point, two and a half years worth, probably close to 100 episodes. That's what I was going to say. I feel like it was in the 90s, that episode. But I might be wrong. Yeah. That was probably after. Because we did the 100th episode.Track 3:[28:21] Yeah, we did the 100th episode, which was the David Berman Silver Jews focus one. Which is still our most listened to episode. That was the episode 100. And I know we recorded it a few months before we met in person. So, yeah, we probably did 110 before we'd ever met in person. And the reason we met, the way we met, was Bob came to Portland in January of 2020 because there was a tribute show to David and to Silver Juice. And so Bob, so we, you know, I think there were a number of people that played, including.Track 3:[29:02] Uh, um, the woman, Rebecca from the Spananes, um, played a set. Um, there were a few others that played, but the headliner was, uh, just a duo of Bob and Steven playing, playing silver juice stuff, which, and you can find it, you can find the recording on, um, on YouTube and famously one of it's great. It's actually worth seeking out because, you know, it was, it was cool to see. Um but someone in the comments was like this sounds like shit and then bob replied and he's like sorry man i can give you your five bucks back or whatever and and then the guy was like oh i'm really sorry i didn't mean to you know it's he's like that is spectacular yeah so it's it's almost it's worth watching for sure but it's almost worth seeking out to to find that little nugget of, of exchange, um, in, in the, in the YouTube comments section. But, um, but yeah, that was the first time we met. Did you parlay that meeting into, uh, an opportunity to meet with SM? I did. Yes. So this is, this is sort of my meeting mouth story. Although I actually met him in the nineties briefly at Satyricon when, um, the Geraldine Fibbers were playing. He.Track 3:[30:23] He lived in Portland at that point, and I think I was still down in Eugene, but I was and have been good friends with Nels Klein for years and years and years, put out some of his records back in the 90s. And then he got into the Geraldine Fibbers and was playing guitar with them. They played a show at Satyricon and I was hanging out with Nels and Stephen came to the show. And so I met him briefly then in the 90s. um but then yeah flash forward 20 plus years january 2020 so that the the day before the show.Track 3:[30:57] That they played uh with a tribute to to david is the day that bob and i hung out we recorded the podcast that day we went and had lunch we had dinner i just hung we just hung out together all day. And then, um, I was going to head home and he's like, ah, just crash, crash in Stephen's basement. There's, there's two couches there. I I'm on one, you can crash on the other. And I was like, yeah, okay, no problem. And so, um, we got back there, I don't know, around midnight, everybody was asleep. We'd go down to the basement and, you know, and then I get up around eight or so to go to leave and um the basement stairs were right at the top uh or the top of the stairs was right at the kitchen and so um i went there was a bathroom in the basement i went and used the bathroom and i was about like putting my shoes on and about to leave and steven's wife jessica comes to the top of the stairs and is like bob's bob and i'm standing there, and I just say like I didn't know what to say of course I'm like uh, Bob's friend and she's like oh Bob had a sleepover and I was like uh yeah hi I'm Mike so um.Track 3:[32:17] So then, and, and so that was sort of a strange little, and then I got, you know, got my shoes and my jacket and I'm like going up the stairs and what at the top of the stairs, it's like you see the full kitchen and, you know, Jessica and Steve's daughters were in the kitchen having breakfast. And I'm like, um, nice to meet you. Thanks for letting me crash here. Even though you didn't know I was crashing here. here um uh you know like hey i'm mike and just like really sheepishly like trying to leave and the back door is right kind of at you go to the top of the stairs and to the right is the kitchen and straight ahead is the the side door um that goes to their their driveway and i'm like trying to open the side door and jessica's like it kind of sticks a little bit do you want me to help and And I'm like, oh, I think I got it. And so I'm like fiddling with the doorknob for like 10 seconds, which felt like two minutes. And then I finally got it opened and it was like, all right, thanks. See you later.Track 3:[33:25] And then later that day, you know, Bob said, come on over. We'll hang out. And so I came over later that day and then met them in earnest. And they were very sweet. She was very sweet. You know, like, I'm really sorry. And I was here and she's like, don't worry about it. And then Steven was there. And he was like, they were just kind of.Track 3:[33:43] Prepping for the show later that evening and um he was very nice he actually gave me he just finished reading lou reed's a biography on lou reed he's like i'm looking for on it and i was like yeah sure so i've got steve's steven's copy of uh the lou reed biography up in my my bedroom.Track 3:[34:01] Somewhere that's spectacular i think that's really cool yeah yeah borrowing books from steven malcolm any other uh chances that you met him or um yeah i mean i've met him briefly a few other times you know bob um would come to town when pavement was rehearsing i think they rehearsed for about almost a month before they did their their first reunion tour in 2022 22 um yeah bob bob stayed here for probably maybe not quite a month maybe three or four weeks two or three weeks and um you know i would not every day but regularly after they were done i would you know hang out with bob a little bit and we'd get some dinner or whatever and one night there was some band playing and um steven and jessica went and we tagged along and so i've met him a number of times we're i would say we're friendly but we're not friends i don't have his number he doesn't have mine you know if if i were to run into him around town which um happens now and then i'd probably feel too shy to say hi but um if i did i think he would know who i was and be okay with it that's that's.Track 3:[35:19] Pretty neat though i would say yeah you know i mean this is one of the things about portland it's like a it's a it's kind of a small town it's a big big enough city but it's also kind of a small town yeah well i want to share something with you because it's kind of funny uh you know it's in the lore of meeting malchmus i reached out to bob when i first conceived of this podcast in the fall of uh 2018 and asked him if he wanted to co-host meeting malchmus and this is the you know this is the premise and blah blah blah and uh i didn't have it all nailed down at that point um but i gave him the i gave him the highlights and he's He's like, he responded back and he's like, sounds fun, but I'm already doing a podcast. And I was like, tell me what it's called. And that's how I found out about your podcast.Track 3:[36:11] But that's also how Bob ended up not on Needy Malcomus, if he would have done it, if he would have done it. Well, so I apologize because I feel like I'm the reason why he said no. Although I would have to check. There were times, and I think that the fall of 2018 was one of those times. There were times, and if you look back through our episodes, you'll see big gaps, and it's often.Track 3:[36:37] Associated with life events. And my, my daughter was born in July of 2018. And I think right after that, we actually did probably a six month pause. Cause I was like, I don't, I'm working. And, uh, you know, I mean, I took a little time off, you know, I'm not sleeping yet. Like, uh, as priorities go, I don't know if I'll have time to talk to you for a little bit. So you, even though Bob, I mean, and I appreciate Bob being loyal to me. It was probably during a pause, and he probably could have said, hey, I've got the time right now. I am doing a podcast, but we're not doing it right away. That's funny. Yeah. So do you have anything you want to plug other than three songs at this point? What's the episode that people should grab of three songs aside from the Berman episode? Episode like what would you say is is a standout episode that gives you a real sense of what the show is well okay so those are almost two questions because.Track 3:[37:41] The standout episode of what the show is this the premise of the show was bob would bring three songs to play to me that he thought i maybe didn't know uh and might like and i would do the same for him um and so those some of those early episodes where we were still finding our footing were a lot of the songs where it was like, Oh my God, I fucking love this song so much. Like the X is state of shock. Um, you know, like some, some of these go between songs or some of these like old blue songs that, that just like really resonated with me in a strong way. I was like, I, you know, I don't know if you know this, but like, I want to play it for you and just get your reaction. Um, so, you know, I don't know. I, don't have the list in front of me and my screen saver went to sleep. So I, you know, I'm not even going to log in to figure out what some of those early episodes were. Um, but, uh, you know, I, what I, what I also tried to do, and it was never a spoken thing between Bob and I, but I, I was inherently conscious of the fact we were two middle-aged white dudes.Track 3:[38:54] Talking music and i wanted to make sure we weren't just talking about white dudes no it is very if you haven't listened to it listen to it but there are there are like i'm just going i'm making this up but like throat singers and or did you have a throat singer uh i don't know if we went quite that wild but we would do yeah it's everywhere though it's like you guys you guys covered the spectrum yes music all kinds of genres all kinds of countries we try we tried to go all around the world you know and we tried to also be very inclusive of all genders and you know because again it's just two white dudes talking we didn't want it to be like very focused on on like western western music you know that said we didn't want to make it so obscure that people would be like, there's not anything here for me, you know, like, we would try to try to walk that line where it would still be fun and worthwhile. And, you know, I think if nothing else, it was just, I hope that people came because they liked Bob, and they liked me, and they felt like they were listening in to friends.Track 3:[40:08] And they felt like they were one of of our friends that were experiencing this music and experiencing this conversation at the same time. Um, I hope it was more that and not like, Oh, I'm going to list, listen because today they're talking about, you know, Sebado or whatever. I'm going to listen because today they're talking about some band I know, and I want to hear what they say.Track 3:[40:30] I, I, I was, I hope we built enough of an audience that liked us and trusted us. So that's it. It's the trust piece. It's like you guys were sort of a modern day equivalent of like the record shop dude, you know, that trusted guy that, you know, Gary Gal.Track 3:[40:51] It's like, hey, I saw you buying these two records. Yeah. You're probably going to totally dig this. Yes. Yes. Tastemakers. I hope, I hope the unjudgmental record shop dude that wasn't like, oh, I can't believe you bought this.Track 3:[41:06] No, I don't mean that. You know some of those types, right? Yeah. We wanted it to be, you know, I also didn't want it to be a situation where I was, you know, ripping on someone's art. Or if I didn't like it, I would just be like, oh, it's maybe not my thing. But most of the time, everything Bob played for me, I was into or found some sort of way to resonate with.Track 3:[41:32] But aside from that, I mean, I'm not doing any podcasts. I don't have anything to plug. I mean, I think those that have listened to the show know that Bob runs a small record label. And back in the 90s, I ran a small record label called Little Brother Records. Records um you know uh i've got a few of the old back stock and maybe i'll send me your address i'll send you a little package of some of the old records i put out um oh wow cool yeah um you know and it's uh so but i wouldn't say i have that to plug it's just part of my it's part of my origin story yeah absolutely well i really want to thank you for taking this time with me today it's been a blast talking to you dude yeah appreciate it thanks for thinking of me thanks for including me no you're you're near top of the list when i started thinking of like people that i solicited to like on my twitter and stuff like that uh i i asked basically anybody and everybody but then i also had like the celebrity wing you know and uh you appeared on that list so i i company you're in.Track 3:[42:42] I don't know if I would even come close to listing me as a celebrity, but I appreciate the thought. In the podcast, in the indie rock podcast world, I would see you. If you want to say our top episode, which is the Berman one, that got maybe 12,000 listens, if that makes me a celebrity. I mean, you know. If you had 12,000 people in your living room listening to you talk, that would be a pretty fucking big deal. That's true. I don't know if I'd have enough food for them.Track 3:[43:14] I had a friend tell me that early on in podcasting. They were, you know, they were like, because I was like, I don't know. I don't want to put myself out there and see the numbers. And they were like, if you have 12 people that listen, like, that's pretty cool. Well, I think more than that, but the sense that you, that I get is that you approach it the way that Bob and I approached it. And, um, you know, I had the advantage of kind of tagging along to a, a, a celebrity.Track 3:[43:43] And so Bob's name helped bring in listeners, but we, we didn't, we didn't do any promotion other than maybe, you know, little like, like Twitter promotion. We didn't, we didn't solicit any, um, sponsors or anything like that. We didn't ever want to try and find a way to monetize it because if we were doing that, it wouldn't be what I wanted. Yeah. And it wouldn't be fun. It wouldn't be, it would be like work, you know, and I wanted it to be my release for like, here's an opportunity to talk to my friend about music. Um, and maybe, you know, maybe we will find an audience you know if you're if you're authentic and you're doing something for the right reasons often the audience finds you it may take a little while um but that's i think that's also about the the way i look at a lot of the music that i like you know bands like sonic youth weren't you know or or the x is another huge band that i just have loved for their whole career they're not worried about is it going to sell or whatever and they just they find the audience eventually.Track 3:[44:52] Yeah i would say i would say authenticity is a is a reasonable place to start from, yeah that's the best i can do yeah yeah hey again thanks so much and uh wash your goddamn hands.Track 1:[45:11] Thanks for listening to Meeting Malcomus, a pavement podcast where we count down the top 50 pavement tracks as selected by you. If you've got questions or concerns, please shoot me an email. 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Devin Faraci joins jD today on the podcast. Beyond listening in on Devin's Pavement origin story, you'll hear him wax nostalgic about song 30.Transcript:Track 2:[1:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50.Track 1:[1:02] At 31, give it a day. What do you think, Scott from North Dakota?This is a gem, and I love it so much. I love the whole EP.This would have been something I did not discover until well after I knew all of Wowie Zowie, all of Bright in the Corners, and it wasn't something I easily could have. have it.Track 2:[1:27] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement, and you're listening to the Countdown.Track 3:[1:34] Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band Pavement.Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballads.I then tabulated the results using using an abacus and 28 grams of the best weed you've ever smoked, along with some drifter named Larry.How will your favorite songs fare in the rankings? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that.This week I'm joined by Pavement superfan Devin from LA.Devin, how the fuck are you? I'm doing pretty good. I'm doing pretty good. Really glad to be here.Amazing to be on the World Wide Web talking about Pavement so many decades after I first started listening to them. Well, let's get right into that then.Let's go back a few decades and get your Pavement Origins story.You know, I have a lot of Pavement history. I started in around 92.Oh, wow. Yeah, so Slanted and Enchanted.And I'm pretty sure it was Summer Babe Winter Version that was the first song that I heard, I have to guess.Track 3:[2:50] And it was a weird time in my life I was a college student, I had been kicked out of college. Oh, shit. I had earned a 0.0 GPA.And not for cool reasons, mind you.I think that it was 1992, and my college had what they called a VAX computer system, which was the early internet.And I was on the early internet all night playing multi-user dungeon games and did not go to school.Track 3:[3:24] So I got kicked out of college for playing video games. Really ahead of my time.It's like big Gen Z energy, I feel like.And I was living with my dad in Illinois, who was living in the suburbs, and it was the most miserable year of my life because the alternative rock world that I had been in back when I was living in New York City had exploded.And I was stuck in the Chicago suburbs and I couldn't drive.And all of these amazing things were happening and I was not part of any of it.But there was a cool record store. And so I discovered Pavement and I have loved that band ever since.And, um, yes, that's my original pavement experience trapped in the suburbs of Chicago, New York city kid trapped in the suburbs of Chicago, uh, watching the world explode into cool alternative rock shit all around me, but so, so far away.Track 3:[4:24] So what was it like when you walked into that record store? Was it the album cover that got you?Had you heard of the band through like zines or anything like that?Or was it just like a random purchase? I probably had heard it from a magazine, probably Alternative Press, if I had to guess back then. I read that shit religiously.And I might have already heard the song, but I'll tell you, man, when I heard that album, it was like somebody had finally recorded music that was aimed directly at my particular personal brain.Wow. You know, just sort of the discordant, weird lo-fi sound they had on that first record, especially back in the day.But with melodic pop sensibilities, it was incredible to me.It really was incredible.And Malkmus' voice just really was, I mean, just got me, just nailed me.Track 3:[5:15] Yeah, it's very, I mean, they're very unique in a, in a world at the time where things were not yet starting to sound the same, but, and our guys were signing everybody out of Seattle.They could, you know, this bright beacon of hope from Stockton, California, um, really shone a light for a lot of people.I wish I could have been there at the time, but I didn't catch on until the late nineties.So yeah no i was pretty happy to be there which means that i got to experience some pretty cool pavement stuff in real time um you know the greatest t-shirt i ever owned was a pavement t-shirt it had two fried eggs on the tits yes uh it's one of the great t-shirts of all time but i also have two really memorable i've seen pavement a few times but i have two very memorable pavement concert experiences all right share them uh so one of them was at the tibetan freedom Freedom concert in New York City.And there were two stages. And I forget who was up against Pavement on the other stage at the time, but nobody came to see Pavement.And so it was this big stage at Randall Island in New York City and Pavement playing.And it was like me and 30 guys.Track 3:[6:30] Are you serious? There was nobody there. I got right to the front. Like it was incredible.They were really playing to like the sparsest crowd you could imagine.It was, I honestly forget who was up against them, but that was packed.Um, and, and, and the pavement was, it was dead. It was just incredible.Um, which I'm sure wasn't great for the band, but for me, uh, was a delight.I mean, just an absolute delight, but the greatest pavement concert experience I've ever had.Track 3:[7:00] They did a secret show at CBGB, which is a very small venue and also disgusting and very historic.And so I got tickets to this secret CBGB show, and I honestly forget what album this is, so I don't remember what they were playing.But the big memory of the secret CBGB show is the band had been on for a minute.And then Keanu Reeves entered CBGB wearing a tuxedo with a woman in a evening dress, evening gown of some kind, like they had just come from an award show or something. It looked like.And every time the band finished a song, Keanu Reeves would yell, Freebird, which is something I know.Track 3:[7:52] Uh, for maybe the younger listeners don't realize that there was a period in rock music history where people would go to concerts and yell free bird at the bands in between every single song.And I will tell you that shit did not fly with a pavement crowd.Uh, the pavement crowd was not excited to hear this.And so that was a very strange experience, but what it made it even stranger was years later reading an interview with the band.And they talked about that night. And they talked about how Keanu Reeves had tried to come backstage and meet them. And they turned him away.Because the other thing people have to remember is that in the 90s, Keanu Reeves before The Matrix was not cool.He had started making a bunch of like really crummy movies and sort of for Gen X, Keanu Reeves sort of had crossed a boundary that we did not necessarily like.And so he was not cool at the time.That's why when he was cast in The Matrix, it was kind of a joke.Like, you know, you couldn't believe that that guy was going to be in this movie.So they didn't let him come backstage.Track 3:[8:54] And then they talked about, after the show, they were leaving the venue and they were walking somewhere and they walked past this very famous downtown restaurant, Veselka, which is like the heart of the village.There's a documentary out about it right now, actually. But anyway, they were walking past Veselka and there by himself sitting in a window, sadly eating Ukrainian food, was Keanu Reeves.And they felt terrible that they had turned him away from backstage.Oh, that's a fantastic story.Yeah. Jesus.Keanu Reeves yelling Freebird. I can't believe it. It was unreal.And a friend of mine, who's actually now a music executive, heckled Keanu at the show.As Keanu was leaving CB, my friend yelled, Dogstar, love that band, which was Keanu's band at the time, his bad band at the time. So, yeah. Yeah.So are there any records that you cleave to now, or do you go back, for nostalgia's sake, to Slanted?Track 3:[10:11] Man, you know, it's a great... I mean, I gotta say, for me, Crooked Rain.Crooked Rain is the peak, I think. And I love every Pavement record.But Crooked Rain is the one that I just find myself drawn to again and again and again and again.Again um you know and that was the album you know where they started getting like videos on mtv which was a truly bizarre experience too uh you know when cut your hair debuted on 120 minutes and made its way into regular mtv programming uh was very strange because this was such an odd band uh for the time you know and and and crooked yeah crooked rain is i mean i love all of them Wowie zowie's amazing, bright in the corners.But it's crooked rain.Track 3:[10:59] Yeah, I think so. I just went for a walk earlier this morning.It's unseasonably warm here in Toronto.And I went for a walk and I just had a hankering to listen to Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain.So I threw it on and walked until it was over.And I just forgot, even though I know deep in my bones that it's a great album, like I had forgot just how cohesive it is and how big it sounds.And really it sounds completely different than slanted right yeah i know it's a total step forward but i think what's amazing you know so in the 90s i was a real diehard flannel guy you know i had my real deep opinions on selling out and for crooked rain they went much more rock oriented slanted than they had been on, on, uh, slanted.And, um, but it worked like there was no sense of selling out.Uh, it was more like a band fulfilling its promise.Um, even though I love the lo-fi stuff, you know, uh, you know, Westing by Musket and Sexton. I love that. Like that, love that noise. Give it to me.Uh, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, Crooked Rain, it just, it feels like a band blossoming into what they can be.Track 3:[12:18] Oh that's nice i like it yeah is there anything else you want to share about your pavement origins i mean i guess just that.Track 3:[12:33] Pavement is a really special band to me you know partially because of um, Where I was when I found them, you know, I was so trapped in the suburban hell that I just didn't understand and I was not part of, you know, this was the era when I had, um, like a blue undercut.Like I had like that top knot thing going on the sides and back of my head shaved and my hair was dyed a little blue and I wore ripped jeans and flannels.And when I was walking to work in the suburbs along the side of the road where they had no sidewalks, I had a car drive past me and throw a beer can at me and shout the F slur at me as they drove by.So I'm not saying that I'm an oppressed person, but I'm saying that I was living in an environment that was not friendly to me and my kind of people.Track 3:[13:27] And I heard this band and it was like somebody talking directly to me.And so as a result, it has always been just an important band to me.And because I am still partially that Gen X, quote unquote, hardcore, never sell out kind of a guy, I love that Pavement never sold out.I love that Pavement never ended up becoming some kind of a big, massive band that like the worst people you know got into. to.Pavement has gotten more well-known and it has a great legacy, but it's closer to the way that the Velvet Underground used to be.The Velvet Underground has sort of crossed over.People know the Velvet Underground now, but there was a very long time where you could say to somebody that you love the Velvet Underground and if they got it, you knew they were a cool person that you were going to like.Pavement has that right now.If I tell somebody I love Pavement and they They actually know Pavement.They don't just know two songs or something.Track 3:[14:35] Then I know, oh, that's a person who I can be friends with. That's a person who gets me. Because part of the deal is that Pavement...It's not just this amazing music, but there's a thing I love about Pavement, which is that the kind of brain that I think it takes to really appreciate Pavement, because so many of the lyrics are close to nonsense, but not nonsense.And it requires a brain that's willing to engage with that.And I think it's sort of like really fun and smart at the same time that it can be incredibly dumb sometimes.But, you know, that's, I think, the defining line for Pavement for me.Those lyrics that, like, have silly things in them and have nonsensical things in them, but very often they add up to something that is emotionally true that you can really understand, even if you can't understand it as language necessarily.And also every now and again drops in bizarre stuff that's like smart people stuff, you know?You know, how many bands have songs about how the kids that made acid couldn't get laid?I mean, like, you know, that's like an amazing thing to drop into the middle of a song out of nowhere.So, you know, yeah, so that's my Pavement, yeah.That's nice. I like it. Well, what do you say we take a quick break and come back to the other side and talk about song number 30?Sounds good. All right, let's do that.Track 2:[16:01] Hey, this is Bob Mustanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening.And now on with a countdown.Track 1:[16:09] 30.Track 3:[19:08] Song number 30 on the countdown comes from Pavement's fifth and final album, Terror Twilight.It's also the third song from this album to make the top 50 thus far.At track 30, we have Spit on a Stranger.What the hell do you make of this song, Devin?Track 3:[19:29] I'm really glad I got this song because I love this song.And the thing about this song is that there's a real tension within the song that truly appeals to me, because I believe that musically and in the verses, this is the most romantic song that Pavement has ever recorded.100%. Like some of these verses are things that you would say at a wedding.Track 3:[19:58] And then you get to the chorus and there's the you're a bitter stranger.And it's obvious that it's about a breakup of some kind, but it has those that tinge of love in the verses.And again, musically that I think make it really beautiful and really melancholic in a really incredible way.The song, you know, you're a bitter stranger, but the song is not bitter.Uh which i think is amazing and i just tender yeah i love the the the the tension within it i just it's it's so good because it's not an obvious tension like if you just listen to this song and don't pay attention to the lyrics it's just a beautiful lovely song that uh if you catch a couple of the verse lyrics you go that's really gorgeous you know um and then and then we listen to the whole thing there's like a lot more going on i i i adore this song yeah it's a it's a it's a standout on terror twilight for sure not just because it's a single it it just i don't know it just pops off that record um what's your relationship with the song do you remember hearing it for the first time or do you remember what that was like.Track 3:[21:10] I don't remember hearing it for the first time. I can't remember if this was a single before the album came out or not. I don't recall.I believe it was. So I probably heard it as a single.I'm sure I heard it on the radio or I bought the single before the album came out. But I don't really recall.I remember when this came out and this album came out that this was a song that I fixated on pretty intensely at the time. This was kind of a track I kept going back to again and again and again and again.And I just I just fell immediately in love with it.It's funny, because now, with many years gone by, and the world having moved on and learning more about the making of this record.Track 3:[21:58] There's something beautiful about this being the opening track on their final record, because now I know behind the scenes, they were in the process of breaking up.And so in some ways, this is a song about that process in some ways, you know, and that speaks to what the band was going through.So I think that's a cool thing that has kind of grown on me over the years.But like this is definitely a song that i have from just again from the very beginning, just latched on to i just think that some of those lyrics are just so beautiful and i just think that they're so lovely because i think that they're beautiful in a way uh.Track 3:[22:41] That feels relatable. It's not over the top.So it's like, however you feel, whatever it takes, whenever it's real, whatever awaits, whatever you need, however so slight, whenever it's real, whenever it's right.I mean, that's like a beautiful everyday idea of what love is, right?It's a beautiful everyday piece of it. And then again, obviously, the choruses get a little different.But I really just keyed into that because this is not a band that traditionally had a lot of songs that I would have felt super romantic about.This is not a band that has a lot of songs that I would say, oh, I would love to play this for someone to let them know how I feel about them.Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a lot of those.But this is one that does have- You're not going to play Debris Slide.Track 3:[23:31] Uh, but this is, this is one of those. And, and so, yeah, it's always been a very special song to me. What do you think about the production values on Terror Twilight and this song specifically?When you think back to putting on Slanted and Enchanted and hearing that real lo-fi and that crushing riff and that drum riff as well on Summer Babe, and then flash forward like seven years, eight years, and you've got this song that is, like you said, melancholic and beautiful.But so lush as well. Yeah, it's a very thick production. It's very crystal clear.Track 3:[24:14] I mean, I think it's really important for me, because of how I experience pavement, I experience them in real time.The gap between 92 and 99 is enormous.I mean, just sort of like what the world was like and what the music scene was like.And so in 99 was the year of the second Woodstock.That's right. And so we're looking at a world with all of this new metal and stuff, which, as a guy who had been a big...Track 3:[24:46] I was a metal and punk guy, you know, when I was younger.And when grunge broke through and heavy rock hit the radio airwaves and MTV, I was like, we won.We did it. Like, this is incredible. This is really great music.And then that all turned into Nickelback and Linkin Park and stuff like that, which I hated.And so by 99, I felt like we had lost the war.A lot of what I was listening to was more electronic at that point.You know, a lot of the bands I liked had sort of moved in that direction.And this gorgeous, gentle sound felt like an evolution that I could roll with because the rest of the world had become so ugly in so many ways.The rock music scene had become so gross.And so as a result, this album sounding this way, I think, feels alternative to what was happening then.Ah that's nice yeah i would i would say you're bang on the money because uh this was the time where pop music really reared its head you know with the spice girls and n-sync and backstreet boys and then on the flip side of the coin mainstream wise hip-hop was finally you know crushing through so rock really was left behind and the flag bearers for it were pretty trash Yeah.Track 3:[26:03] You know? So for this band to come out and release Terror of Twilight at the time that they did, you're so right.It was maybe the last battle, but it was a battle nevertheless.And also, I mean, again, I mean, for me, I mean, I'm going to be very personal here. You know, when I first heard Slanted and Enchanted, I was 19.And, you know, seven years later, I'm heading to my late 20s and I'm about to be 30. And a lot changed.Changes in that decade, you know, a lot changes.And I had begun a process of growing and changing in a lot of different ways and that the band grew and changed worked for me.I didn't need them to stay what they were, I think is the thing.Track 3:[26:51] Yeah, and it just leads to like, what would a sixth album have looked like?I'm so pleased that, you know, despite two reunions, they haven't ventured down that path.We're just left with these five great records and multiple EPs that stand the test of time, quite frankly. Yeah, no, I agree.I have the controversial opinion that I'm really glad when bands don't do new records or I'm not going to say, I don't know how to say this in a way that I'm not going to get in trouble for, but like, it's not good that John Lennon died, but I'm glad the Beatles didn't get back together for Live Aid and then release some terrible late 80s record. Do you know what I mean?Like, so I obviously it's horrible. Like, it's terrible that John Lennon was shot dead.But I'm glad that today I don't have Kurt Cobain on Twitter because I'm afraid of what he would be saying.And so as a result, sometimes it's good when things just end.Track 3:[27:54] And these days, people don't let things end. And the fact that the band Pavement has let Pavement be a thing that exists in this one decade.Decade uh i mean it still exists because they do reunions but like it is of that decade they're not out here trying to do new songs for soundtracks or shit like that i really respect that and i like that me too i i couldn't agree with you more i think um there's a time and place element to it all like you said uh i discovered them when i was uh just approaching 30 probably just approaching So I got to go back and zip through it, but through my 30s.And it was a similar type thing that you experienced because you know that the difference between 30 and 40 is enormous as well.And so by the time I got to really experience Terror Twilight in a way that it was meant to be experienced after, you know, um, pouring through the other four records, it, it did live up to that for me.Track 3:[29:02] It's so funny. We're such old motherfuckers and the band's a bunch of old motherfuckers.And this is honestly, especially the early records are young people music, but it still really holds up as an old guy.I mean, like Crooked Rain is young people music. They're over there talking shit on other bands and stuff like that.I mean, like, that's what you do when you're a young little snobby hipster.Uh and here we are i'm 50 man and uh i still listen to the exact same tracks i listened to when i was 19 um so either i haven't grown at all in any acceptable or understandable way or perhaps this music is eternal and speaks to us at every stage of life oh i'll take the latter then.Track 3:[29:46] Yeah absolutely well devin it's been absolutely a thrill to have you on and you know to talk Walk through song number 30, Spit on a Stranger.I'm wondering if you have anything you need to plug or you would like to plug.Yeah, so I have a couple of podcasts that I do, and I have a Patreon where I do writing about pop culture stuff.So you can go visit that, patreon.com slash cinema, sanga, S-A-N-G-H-A.And you can go join and get access to the writing and get access to my numerous podcasts that happen over there where i am being told today my sound quality is pretty good i'm very happy to hear this because this is my number one concern in life is how my sound quality is so yeah it's great thanks so much thank you for having me i really appreciate it all right wash your goddamn hands thanks.Track 2:[30:40] For listening to meeting malchus a pavement podcast where we count down the top 50 pavement tracks as selected by you.If you've got questions or concerns please shoot me an email JD at MeetingMalchemist.com.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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jD is back and he's joined by Daniel from Chicago to discuss his Pavement origin story and dissect track number 38. 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[0:00] Hey, it's JD here, and I just wanted to throw something down, somewhat of a challenge to all you musically inclined folks out there.We are going to be doing a pod list again this year, and a pod list is simply a podcast playlist.It's a pod list. The previous four pod lists have consisted of talented members of our Pavement community submitting songs that they have covered from the Pavement oeuvre.Pavement adjacent songs are also welcome. So you could do PSOI, you could do Jicks, you could do Malcolm is Solo.Anything is fair game, truly. So get your band together or grab an acoustic guitar and just play your fucking guts out.From there, submit the song to me by email and we'll go from there.So please submit those songs, jd at meetingmalkmus.com, or even better, use wetransfer.com if it's a big WAV file. And WAV files are what I prefer.That will work out just magnificently. That's what she said.Podlist 5 coming July 8th. So get those songs in and be a part of something special. Thanks so much.Now, on with the show.Track 3:[1:24] Previously on the pavement top 50.Track 2:[1:27] What do you have to say dan from rochester about playbook oh man so um first of all when i i listened to this a lot this week and there's three versions so i did some some deepdiving into comparing the different like studio versions that are out there but the first thing that surprised me was the length is relatively short it's slightly less than three and a half minutesand to me that song always felt like very epic.Track 3:[1:58] Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown.Track 4:[2:05] Hey, it's J.D. here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for the seminal indie rock band, Pavement.Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballots.I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a six-pack.[2:24] Okay, there were only four left, but I was thirsty. see how will your favorite pavement song fare in the ranking you'll need to tune in to find out so there's that this week we're joinedby pavement superfan daniel daniel how are you doing motherfucker uh doing good how are you i am excellent today it's a bright and sunny day out i did a 10k walk it's uh just fantastic itis a good day it's like i'm in chicago and it's uh 50 degrees and so that's like summer so yeah right to have that in february is like just another another planet it's amazing yeah so let's getright into this let's talk about your pavement origin story daniel from chicago i am from a town in the south called montgomery alabama Okay.And I'm also 45, late Gen Xer.Discovering music in the early 90s, you really had to try to search out cool stuff, and especially in a shitty town like Montgomery, Alabama. Alabama.[3:42] There were like only one record store that was independent and you kind of had to like know a person to get there. And.[3:52] So that's a big part of my origin story is I am from a shitty place.And the more I get to know pavement, I realize that Stockton is a lot like Montgomery.It's strip malls and crime and not a lot to do, not a lot of real culture.So I see that connection now.When I was a teenager, I was into classic rock like Neil Young and Bob Dylan and Steve Miller Band, I guess, was my intro to what my dad showed me about rock and roll.But I started 10th grade and I noticed a guy had the iconic pavement sunny side up shirt. Right.And I said, this guy knows something. He kind of shined with this aura.And at the time, I didn't know much about indie rock or alternative rock.But I knew a lot about film.I was into Tarantino, and that led me to John Woo and other independent film.[5:17] I knew a lot about beat literature, like Kerouac and Ginsberg, Burroughs.So we met, and he helped me with the pavement and the Sonic Youth. We traded CDs.I traded VHS, independent film, with him.And we eventually started a shitty noise band in his garage.Oh, that is so cool. Yeah. Yeah. And we talked about Pavement and Sonic Youth, Daydream Nation.At the time, I think Crooked Rain was the big one, and Wowie was pretty big on our playlist.List um but i'm really thankful for that meeting and his taste was just um beyond anything of people from montgomery so i that's my story and i i continue to love pavement my entire lifehas been my favorite band and i felt very special uh having them as a part of my life and i i'm not sure who it was that said.[6:38] I think it might be Mark Arm from Mudhunt Honey said, when you listen to Pavement, you feel smarter.And I feel like I'm in on some kind of secret.Yeah. And I feel enlightened when I listen to Stephen Moutmiss and his poetry and his lyrics.I feel smarter. And coming from a place of like education was not valued and no culture, it meant a lot for me to like have pavement as this kind of avant-garde art band that led me todifferent bigger cities and bigger ideas.Is so so what was take take me through your experience daniel take me through that so you saw him wearing the sunny side up shirt what was the first spin like like what did you spin firstif you remember i remember and and what was going on in your head when you heard it i got crooked crooked rain crooked rain first and i remember the disc and people these days missout on the artwork of the disc right it's got that layer of like kind of red and maroon art.[8:01] And i spun it and i was like first off i've never heard uh a vocalist sound like this before right and i was like is he singing or is he like speaking um and they're in the liner notesthere's a picture of like a singer but i always thought it was that that was mouth mess or that was spiral stairs i wasn't sure but it turns out it's like just a random collage um i wasn't sure ifthe the singer was playing guitar or was just like singing.Wow. Like something from a different world completely. And unlike any music.[8:46] That i've uh ever encountered even since it's um now i can kind of associate what not miss was doing with like lou reed yes big time uh but at the time it was just like what is thisvocalist doing and then there were parts of the guitar playing it was like kind of dissonant guitar and i was like is are these guitars even in tune like it sounds like noise in some parts but somelodic and others and so melodic and others and that's their secret yeah um.[9:25] And then i started listening to the lyrics um the first song that comes to mind i wrote on my uh we used to have book covers of paper to cover the book i wrote the entire uh lyrics forstop breathing this is like the most poetic I don't know what he's talking about but I was also I went to it like an art high school and I was in creative writing and I would do my best to tryto emulate in my poetry what mountainous was doing with like his prose or his lyrics right Right, okay.So he was talking about, I think, stuff around a father-son relationship in that song, and I had struggles with my dad, and as we all probably do.Sure. And I was like, abstractly, he's talking about stuff that is really hitting home.And so there were some songs I didn't get at first, like...[10:39] But yeah we'll talk about some of that stuff later sure okay yeah um so that was your first experience with them and crooked rain what a great jumping off point and just to followup on you know like who's playing what and what are they doing it wasn't like you could tune into mtv at the time and see a great deal of pavement you know and and sort of match it uplike you could with with other bands.You know, in this case, they were so rarefied.It would be tough to get your hands on, you know, live footage or anything like that. So that leads me to my next question.When did you see them live? Did you see them live?First, my first concert by them was.[11:28] It must have been early my first semester at auburn university i went uh started uh 97, i went to birmingham alabama at a place called the nick i think that's what it is and so it musthave been september or october of 1997 and it was a like maybe uh, 100, 200 person venue. It was a very small venue.And me and my two friends from Auburn, we got there nerdy, super early and waited at the rail of the front row.[12:18] And it turns out that we were right across from Spiral Stairs guitar setup.Okay. And it was in support of Right in the Corners.So, amazing show.I think at the time, what they were doing was they were playing about 15 songs with an encore of three songs. And they played Credence.Sinister Purpose was their cover that they played.And they they had their set list on paper plates which i thought was very diy and cool and spiral at the end of the set uh he picked up his paper plate threw it like a frisbee and i caught it soi had the the set list i don't have it anymore but oh damn one time it was in my dorm it was in a collection as i moved around the country of course of course but i wish i had had thatamazing moment.Probably, I would say it's probably my third or fourth concert ever. Um, and.[13:35] I went to REM and Radiohead in support of Monster. That was my first.So it's in good company.Yeah, I bet. So how did you find like-minded people in uni?Was it easy or did you have to seek them out like you did in high school?Or how did you find your compatriots to go to that show with?This is so funny. uh the first day of english class the teacher asked what what what do we like and get to know you ice icebreaker questions and me and this guy cleave we both put thesame bands we really liked pavement number one lemon heads number two rem number three we we wrote those identically, and it's it's like this uh serendipitous kind of thing happenedwith us and we became, very close friends and at the time he was like really into pink floyd and i said hey man you got to get really back into pavements better than pink floyd so weobsess over our mutual love of malchmas and uh pavement so that that's how that connection happened but other times in my life i've never really found someone who says pavement's myfavorite band and maybe you're my probably my.[15:04] Like third person i they always seem to be like a french band no one is like so obsessed like i am or possibly you are.And that's okay with me. Like, this is something, it's very special kind of in this time where everything feels like homogenized.I'm glad that this is a special thing for a few of us.Yeah, I think so too. We can unite in that, unite in our solodom.In our solitude. dude. Um, What's your go-to record these days?[15:51] Well, it's grown. It's changed over time. Of course. As it should, probably.I think the most bang for your buck and artistic expression of what they represent is Wowie Zowie.Sure. Yeah, I can get behind that. It is their version of the White Album in that it is so many different genre attempts.And it feels loose it feels fun um it's thematically all over the place yeah and, i just it just feels like a real expression of what they were going for as a band yeah i i i'm not sure if it's likethe best album but for me i think it feels like pavement and what they wanted um and the the go-to for me i hope it makes your list is uh grave architecture okay i find that to bequintessential uh a pavement song but yeah Yeah, it's just so all over the place and wacky that I love it.What do you say we take a quick break and we come back on the other side of track number 38?Sounds good. All right, cool.Track 3:[17:18] Hey, this is Bob Mustanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening.And now on with a countdown.Track 2:[17:26] 38.Track 4:[20:04] Alright, track 38 is Date with Ikea, the first spiral jam on the countdown.It's the fifth from Pavement's fourth record, Bright in the Corners, after Blue Hawaiian at 50, Embassy Row at 44, Old to Begin at 43, and Starlings of the Slipstream at 40.Without further ado, number 38, Date with Ikea.Daniel from Chicago.Hey. Talk to me about your experience with this song.Well, it was the first Pavement album that I was able to buy on its release date.So it has a special place.It was released, I think it's April 17th, 1997.97 and i good went to my local mall and walked in and bought this album and, it's a banger it's a really fucking good album and 100% it's it it rocks and this song is a rocker and you feellike there's some shimmering layered guitar going on yeah Yeah. Um.[21:30] I'm not sure what the song's about. It feels like... Tough to discern.At the time, I didn't know what Ikea was.Now I know. I think it's a Norwegian furniture store, wholesale furniture.[21:50] So now I think I know what the meaning of the song is.Because I've had a date with Ikea. I bought a house, and I've had to go to Ikea to celebrate needing furniture.And I remember going to Ikea going, oh, this is what the song is about.Maybe domestication.Maybe it's a union.I like domestication. Yeah. But the lyrics are about a relationship strife.The actress is always breaking things. That made me think something's going wrong in the relationship or he's annoyed with his partner.Not sure. But Spiral's songs have always had their own feel to them.And this feels like a quintessential uh spiral stairs song not what what else does it sound like in those years maybe uh like super chunk like no pocky for kitty, i don't know if you know ofany other bands that might sound like but.[23:08] No, because it's tough, because his cuts sort of stand alone on a pavement record, because they're so radically different than the stuff that SM does, right?I think that's what I'm trying to get at, yeah.[23:24] But lyrically, you can go down the same bottomless pit with both of their lyrics.I think Malk tends to be, he's got the turn of phrase, right?He's got the gift for a turn of phrase in a way that Spiral doesn't necessarily have the same horsepower at this stage in the game.If you listen to PSOI, like that first record, All This Sounds Gas, man, is he firing on all cylinders on that record.I think so. So that is prime beef.And I love it. Uh, his two outings on brighten the corners are both, you know, I think they're both a great jumping off point for what you need to get from, from spiral. That's just my take.I think you're right. Uh, the idea that it can be on the same album and feel so different.[24:25] Right. And I'm okay with that. Sort of their secret weapon in a way, right i think so i there and i'm in a lot of ways i'm not sure uh spirals influence on what mountainous does that'skind of a mystery i i believe it showed up more on probably slanted and yeah the early stuff yeah the eps off the top i think they were much more collaborative collaborative but i'm likingwhat i hear this this is a rocker this feels like it's got the.[25:04] Almost like a classic rock feel to it of maybe tom petty in there and the heartbreakers, but um got the sing-along chorus here's the a weird thing about uh the spiral Spiral stuff.When I would go to the shows, the crowd would cheer so much for Spiral.It was almost like we were rooting for this underdog.[25:40] And when spiral was playing his, uh, cuts like mountainous, what it seemed like he didn't know what he was supposed to be doing.He would not, he wouldn't have a guitar part to it. He, he would just kind of like Panama. I'm playing guitar.And, but I noticed how much the crowd would get behind, uh, like spirals chance to shine.Shine so you happen to see any dates on the most recent tour in 2022 i did i saw one of the chicago okay i found that steve was much more uh on board with the spiral stuff if if for lack ofa better term if he wasn't on board in the earlier years and i don't know that i'm i'm prescribing that on him.I shouldn't, but I sort of am.And I just feel like they were much more cohesive, like band-wise, this time out.I saw the same thing, and I think I read in interviews where Mountmess before had seemed kind of apprehensive to put his ball in the pavement court, per se.He was very much on board with being a band that was reuniting and good vibes in general yeah but at the time i think what you notice about uh.[27:07] Bright in the corners is oh he's starting to get his own voice mountainous right and it's, it has to feel um daunting to have other people in the band wanting to collaborate whenyou're you're like really finding your groove.So with Wowie, there's, I think, maybe one spiral cut, Brighton two, but then with Terror zero, you're starting to see, Mount Missus realizing that I have something to say and I want it tobe the singular vision.[27:53] That's just my take. I add a lot of meaning and interpretation that might not be there.No, that's what we do with our favorite bands, right?They add, they give us that to sort of interpret. But I feel like.[28:09] Mount miss really was hitting his groove and maybe spiral was hitting his groove as well and they just it was a sign that they needed to take some time off hey listen i don't want tomake this comparison too apt but it's interesting to me that having watched the beatles documentary george is shut out of that song and then he immediately rips off all things must passwhich which is a double record, which just shows like how he had all these songs in the bag.And it's like, how did John and how did John and Paul not include any of his stuff on Let It Be?And then, you know, 40 years later or 30 years later, you have Terror Twilight, which I think is sorely lacking a spiral song.Like, I think that there's part of that record that, that, you know, because a lot of people, it's their number five.And I think it's their number five, because it doesn't sound like a pavement record, necessarily.It sounds lush and rich, production-wise.I continue to call it a beta test for Steve's first solo record.[29:27] It's just interesting to me that it's lacking this something, and I think that something is a Spiral Gem. you might be on to something with that.And, and I'm, I'm, I'm, while I'm glad they both had a great solo careers, um, it is, it's sort of missing something.Yeah. So where do you think in terms of the ranking, this comes in at 38, what do you think, uh, is it properly rated?Is it overrated? Is it underrated? Uh.[30:02] I'm a little, I've been thinking about this. I think it might be overrated.If you would have asked me in 1997, I would have said it should be up there in the 30s.I don't think this has aged for me as well as it should have. I don't know.[30:25] Nowadays, I listen to Brighton and I go, what's the song three on there?Oh, he had to ask me that.I'm cool and underqualified is who I am. I don't have that stuff at my fingertips. No, I've got this.So if you listen to Transport is Arranged. Okay.Going right into Old to Begin. Yeah. Those...It kind of is in between transport and old to begin.And I feel like those are like way stronger songs.Like, and also those are songs where Malcolm is really starting to have his own voice.And it's like very unique rock.And I think those songs, since I heard old to begin, it's like 44 or 43.I I think it's I think those two songs Transport and Old to Begin, are better than Date with Ikea so for some reason I'm feeling like.[31:40] The lack of cohesion of this album, give it a shot, listen to it without Date With Ikea.It's a different album, and it's an interesting choice by the engineers and the producers to put Date in between those two.I think it should be ranked lower. I'm sorry, JD. No, that's okay.That's why I asked the question.[32:08] Hopefully uh transport somewhere in the top 50 i think that's such a a fucking rocker and it's so heavy at the end um but yeah i would put date and probably in my uh, a little bitlower would it crack the top 50 still i don't think so i if i'm going to be completely honest it's going to be in the lower 50 maybe 60s or 70s okay wow you heard it here here first folks stilllove it chicago still love it though it's one of his children but he just disparaged it uh daniel do you have anything that you would like to plug at all is there anything that you're known foron the internet or oh let me tell you i am a therapist here in chicago and i uh as you can see by my uh many plaques on the wall i'm trained to do uh psychotherapy Therapy in the westernsuburbs of Chicago.If you know anyone that wants therapy or wants to try it out for the first time, I specialize in anxiety, depression, addiction, and men's issues.Oh, boy. I ticked a few of those boxes.[33:26] My greatest hits right there. Yeah. Well, it's been great talking to you, and I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. So thanks for that.Thank you for having me on. It's my pleasure.Wash your goddamn hands.Track 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jD is back and he's with Dan from Rochester to discuss track 39!Transcript:[0:00] Hey, it's JD here, and I just wanted to throw something down, somewhat of a challenge to all you musically inclined folks out there.We are going to be doing a pod list again this year, and a pod list is simply a podcast playlist.It's a pod list. The previous four pod lists have consisted of talented members of our Pavement community submitting songs that they have covered from the Pavement Ouvra.Pavement adjacent songs are also welcome. So you could do PSOI, you could do Jicks, you could do Malcolm is Solo.Anything is fair game, truly. So get your band together or grab an acoustic guitar and just play your fucking guts out.From there, submit the song to me by email and we'll go from there.So please submit those songs, jd at meetingmalkmus.com, or even better, use wetransfer.com if it's a big WAV file. And WAV files are what I prefer.That will work out just magnificently. That's what she said.Podlist 5 coming July 8th, so get those songs in and be a part of something special. Thanks so much.Now, on with the show. Previously on the.Track 2:[1:26] Pavement Top 50 So Cam from Toronto What do you think Of Starlings of the Slipstream This is a great little song I love I love this song just as a stand alone item I love this songGoing right into the song Finn To wrap up that album But those might actually be My two favorite songs Right in the corners What a great one to punch to close things out Finn isprobably actually my favorite song on that album.Track 4:[2:05] Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement.Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 Ballads.I then tabulated the results using an abacus and six boxes of M&Ms.How will your favorite song fare in this ranking? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that.[2:31] This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan, Dan from Rochester.[2:35] I can see you right across the lake dan hey toronto oh do you remember when there was the ferry for a couple years i heard tales of that yeah yeah people were more interested ingoing to toronto from rochester and i don't think the torontans were very interested in coming here unfortunately i thought it was a cool i thought that's that's what i heard yeah yeah iwould have uh i would love if that was still a thing because uh driving to toronto you have to go all around the lake so yeah exactly it's the shortcut you know it was it was totally perfect inever used it but it was totally yeah yeah so let's talk let's talk about pavement yes let's this is this is why we're all here why we're all gathered around the fire to listen to rochester regale uswith his pavement origin story yeah so take us set the scene yeah set the scene so the scene was the the mid-90s and uh you know i was in high school and uh getting into into music anduh basically you know the internet was new um you couldn't really download songs you know if i needed if i had to if i wanted to hear a song i had to buy the cd so it was kind of uh youknow i had limited funds and limited accessibility to get to a cd store you know we had the one um one place it It was called Media Play.It was like a chain that sold CDs, you know, so it's kind of like a Best Buy or whatever.[4:02] Okay. So, you know, that was, you know, that was what I had to do.So I would sometimes take a chance on bands or CDs that I'd heard about.[4:12] And I had gotten really into R.E.M.And they were like my favorite band during that time. And so I heard about this band called Pavement that had a song about R.E.M., which I thought was so cool.[4:27] So I ended up getting that CD, the No Alternative compilation.I remember that one. Yeah, and it had Nirvana on it, and it had Smashing Pumpkins and a bunch of big bands from that time, and it had Pavement.And so yeah, I got that. So that was the first Pavement song I heard. Yeah.[4:47] And, you know, it was cool. I just loved the novelty because of, you know, a band singing about another band. I just thought it was funny, you know.Sort of meta in a way now. out yeah yeah it was so cool and that really put them on my on the map for me because i was like i was seeking out all the rem stuff all the b-sides you knowand i had a book and stuff so yeah just hearing about that i was like i have to hear that so you know and it was cool you know i loved the song i was starting to move kind of from that likealt rock um kind of scene to getting getting into the more indie stuff and, uh, whatever it was about, uh, pavement, what I had read about, you know, really piqued my interest.And then hearing that song, you know, and it wasn't, I would say like, it's not my favorite pavement song, but like, you know, it's, it's cool.It was fun. I liked it probably now. Yeah. Oh yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah.So, um, and then, uh, and then this was probably in, I I'm guessing just cause of the release date.Yeah. 99. So So probably like months before Pavement broke up, I was doing this.[5:57] And I went to the media play and I bought one of the cheaper CDs that I could find, which I have right here, which is the Spit on a Stranger single EP. Nice.Because it was cost effective, you know? It had five songs and it was pretty cheap.So I don't remember what else they had available at the time, but I took a shot on this and I took it home.I listened to Spit on a Stranger. I loved it.[6:22] I skipped to the porpoise and the hand grenade because I liked the title and you know that song I thought it was good didn't blow me away I don't think but then I went back to tracktwo harness your hopes and that was that was really the one that that cemented it for me that song really yeah which is is awesome because as we know it's a big Spotify hit now in thestreaming era.[6:44] And uh it was back in in 99 that was the hit for me and my friends too we we all really love that that song so uh so that was the one that did it for me and then i started uh startedcollecting them all so and here we are i guess you got into it too right at the right at the point where they started to do the reissues so you were yeah able to get those yeah it was greattiming because yeah that's a good point even though like the band had broken up by that point you know a few years later i was in college and uh for the first time in my life hanging outwith people who also knew who pavement were and the slanted reissue was coming out and it was like a big deal and everyone you know some people were new to pavement so i got tobe like oh you got to hear this you know and so yeah we were it was good times for sure it's it's always cool when you get to be somebody's sherpa you know yeah right that's exactly justguiding them through this you know this mountainous uh region of songs that they don't know exactly yeah yeah and um you know i I had a, I had a radio show at school, so it was fun,uh, digging up all the, all the weird stuff to play and, uh, everyone hanging out.What was your playlist like on, on the radio?Um, you know, uh, let's see, Guided by Voices, of course, big one.[8:09] Um, I, I was into bands like, uh, there's this band, Idlewild, who had just released a record that I thought was really cool.Okay. You know, just all the class, you know, Matador stuff, Yola Tango, of course.Yeah. And, you know, I would get into some weirder stuff, too.Like, you know, I'd play the shags or like, you know, Captain Beepart or, you know, eclectic stuff.Pretty classic. Oh, that must have been fun. Freeform, like college radio.Yeah. Yeah. It was super fun.All my friends were music nerds, you know, so it was just it was a big party every week week hanging out on people's shows and just coming up with cool creative weird uh musicalthings to do so and you know pavement was like the the guiding light you know it was like the the band that united everyone.[8:58] That's so cool because that's i didn't get that experience at all i still you know that was one of the reasons i started the show initially was just i didn't get people to i didn't have peoplein my life to really talk about pavement with so yeah i was like i'll talk about i'll stand on my soapbox and talk into the ether sometimes yeah sometimes it's rare you know to to get tointeract with yeah people like like that you know i met lots of cool people doing it like including it It seems like you have.Yeah. Yeah, man.So if you had to rank the records, you came to Terror Twilight.That would have been your first record that was released in your fandom.Right, right. Where does it rank for you? You know, I always say to myself, like, they're all pretty much more or less equal, equal ranked.I mean, they're all like five star records to me. Agreed. Um, I went through a phase where, um, brighten the corners was my favorite.That was definitely my favorite. And I would say it's not anymore.[10:03] Um, I, I don't know if terror twilight has spent too much time on the top, like the, you know, the, yeah, the personal top slot, but, uh.[10:11] It, it, it deserves, it deserves a spot.You know, I've, um, I've talked to, you know, I have friends who consider that their pavement pavement record and i always say i respect that because some people some people uh viewthat one as maybe like slightly less for some reason and i don't i don't get that at all yeah i don't get that at all and uh yeah i mean we we need terror twilight you know it's just uh the factthat pavement made that record with uh nigel godrich and had that kind of cool uh shiny production production um yeah i mean that's that's so crazy to go from slanted to the back rightand then you have everything in between so it's just yeah it's all it's all good it's all great yeah yeah terror twilight spent some time at the top for me yeah um not not that much but uhbreak the corners is currently my favorite oh nice yeah yeah uh beside watery like i mean i think watery deserves a spot.[11:08] On the mantle all to itself like that's kind of like a very perfect release you know it's like isn't it yeah it's so crazy how good that fucking thing is yeah and then even the even the thesession tracks that didn't make it to the sumi jack greenland greenlander so right like they're all stone cold classics it's bonkers it is it's absolutely bonkers yeah and having those allcollected on on that reissue was just it's so great um i would always listen to those peel session things you know yeah like kentucky cocktail and all that and.[11:48] Back when they were just bootlegs you know just like a tape someone made off the radio so it's it's really nice that um they released proper you know nice sounding quality versionsof those because because westing is on final now right yeah yep yeah i don't have it but uh i i should probably get it because i've got the eps but i've got them built into my wall is likeartwork work you know oh yeah uh like um here i'll show you how cool yeah i have never i've never encountered uh one of those in the flesh um one of those actual eps you know so that'spretty cool yeah it's fun i'll turn on my light for some somehow there we go i'm an old man when it comes to this technology jesus yes right you're doing great i used to do so well i used toknow know at all internet wise and shit but now it's uh well enough about me it happens is there anything else you want to tell us about your pavement origin story should we uh take abreak and you know that pretty much covers it i got you know this again it was early internet so i was i was rocking like the uh the pavement message board back in the day there was alittle community yeah um and uh it it was it was cool it was good times you know i i met some people there that But later on, I actually got to meet in person.And for a few years, that was a pretty cool scene.[13:13] I remember the message board got bought out by another band somehow.I don't even know how that was possible. What? Yeah.So one day, you show up to the message board URL.It was like ProBoards or something where it was like, anyone can start a message board. but I think some other band somehow had the clout or the money or whatever to buy the URL.And, uh, it's like, yeah.Oh man.[13:44] How about shows have you seen any shows oh i knew this was going to come up i have never seen pavement oh that's that's fine i i have seen mulchmas um but yeah you know imissed them uh in the 90s just a little too young coming in late i missed them in the 2010s i don't know really what i was up to but i was kind of um just not in the right area like i mean ilive in rochester i i always have to drive and sometimes i'm just not not up for it and then the newest one i was i was kind of eyeing uh toronto but yeah i didn't make it so oh man i knowbut i've listened to so many live pavement uh bootlegs and shows and stuff uh but yeah my first time seeing mulchmas was on piglib tour oh right you know this is back in college erathat's really when i started going to shows a lot so yeah we went and saw him at the knitting knitting factory i think it was in new york yeah yeah and i saw him open for radiohead i sawhim open for radiohead too in montreal yeah oh sweet yeah yeah mine was uh where was it i think i want to say uh like baltimore area oh cool dc yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well if you getthe chance i mean it seems like Like, they're on the clock.[15:06] You know? Like, I don't know that we're going to get many more.Yeah, I really should. I know it's, you know, I know it'll be amazing.Next time you get the opportunity, right? You have to pull the ripcord.Yeah, I need to. That'll be so cathartic.Well, let's take a quick break here, and we'll come back, and we'll talk about track number 39.Okay Alright Hey this is Bob Nastanovich from Pavement Thanks for listening and now on With a countdown 39.[19:08] Okay, we are back, and that was, of course, Pueblo, the 16th track on Wowie's Alley. It sits between Kennel District and Half a Canyon in a nice little sandwich there toward theback end of the record.This is the fourth Wowie's Alley song on the countdown after Best Friend's Arm at 49.Motion suggests itself at 48, and We Dance at 46.So this is so far the highest ranking Wowie's Alley track at 39.And uh what do you have to say Dan from Rochester about Pueblo?Oh man so um first of all when I I listened to this a lot this week and there's three versions so.[19:46] I did some some deep diving into comparing the different like studio versions that are out there but the first thing that surprised me was the length is relatively short it's slightly lessthan three and a half minutes And to me, that song always felt like very epic to me, maybe just because it's sandwiched toward the end of like, you know, the end of a long, epic record.It's right by like half a canyon and it kind of it vibes with that song.But I would have if you had asked me before how long it was, I would have said like five minutes or something just because it's it has a very languid pace in it.It kind of just sprawls all over the place of language. Thank you. Yes.[20:30] Yeah. So, you know, it felt bigger, I guess, longer than it really is.But, you know, it does what it does in a relatively short time. So that's cool.That really led me on the path to kind of figuring out like, hey, what's going on with the song structure, you know? And it's a simple song, but it has a kind of like spacey jam in the center.Sure does.And that's like, to steal your word, epic. Those guitar swells?Swells yeah you know they make this song so epic and then that blistering blistering is the wrong word because it's not blistering it's it's it's not languid anymore but yeah it's it's crushingit's heavy fucking great so yeah right yeah oh yeah you know um yeah so i i love that that's good mix of, you know, that's the wowie zowie like archetypal sound.It's like the noise, the, the beauty, the catharsis, the kind of surreal, you know, you don't even know really what the song's about until I listened to your earlier episode, which was geez,like three years ago when you first talked about the song on your show and you were, you told a story about how it was about like a hanging thing.[21:48] And remember this at all. Yeah. So I think it was something Malkmus said.It was like, uh, like a story about some, a guy, like a mayor of some Southern California town.And, you know, there was a, there was a guy getting, getting hung or hanged, I guess it is. And, uh, like a love interest.And he, I guess Malkmus had some, you know, story behind it, which I thought was interesting.Which is rare for him really yeah it yeah it it kind of reminds me of a song like pink india you know which he would write much later it's kind of that story song kind of vibe and the songshave similar vibes too in the sense that they're kind of slow and have this guitar part that's kind of lyrical you know and so it it lends itself to telling like some sort of narrative um but alsoSo, like, at that point, Malkmus wasn't really writing narratives that you could, like, parse just by, you know, they might not have defined words or anything.You know, he kind of has, he had a way of just singing stuff and it would be evocative without really, you know, without you being able to tell what he was really trying to communicate.[23:03] So, you know, that's Malkmus' like big talent, I think, or one of them.I do too. like just mashing phrases together that just work rhythmically and from a cadence perspective yeah but they're so obtuse you know yeah yeah um this song i love the dynamicslike i i love that like how it does go from those guitar swells to that again i'm going to use your word again that those you know the the i i called it chill guitar to start and then you go intothe main verse verse with with very slowed down lyrics it takes him almost you know 30 seconds to get the first two lines out you know before you before you get into the thick of thingsquestion for you yes you as soon as you listen to the episode and i did not uh and i have a very poor short-term memory yeah it's very funny i was with some friends yesterday and wewere talking about work uh from 15 years ago and i was naming people's first and last names that you know know we haven't seen in 15 years yeah very good long term but short term boydoes it suck it's uh.[24:10] It's uh i have a difficult time making new memories so yeah it's uh it's a shitty thing but my question here is um who is jacob right right so uh i was pondering this because of coursea few songs earlier on the album he's talking about jacob javits so i'm like you know know that's like a new york city landmark or something like that or that's right yeah um so i was likewell is that connected i don't think so um i mean pueblo so it's on the i mean, Maybe in some subliminal way, but I don't think it's supposed to be the same guy.You've also got this Spanos County, I think that he says.Right. And in the thing you quoted on the other episode, he referred to Spanos as like a person.Like it was a, you know, like this mayor of this town. Oh, okay.Yeah. So, yeah, I really don't know. No, but I think, you know, Jacob, I guess, is the protagonist of the song who's getting ceremonially or unceremoniously murdered.I, you know, I think. But again, in the context, you're not really sure.Is he like pleading? He's saying, you know, Jacob, you move, you don't move.Like, so. It sounds like, doesn't it? Like, if you move, you don't move.Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah.[25:36] And Jacob is also mentioned in the Pueblo Domain version of the song, which is the Peel version of the song.Okay. I was comparing these two.So, you know, that one was recorded.[25:55] Uh in february 94 like a few days before crooked rain came out so you know this song we know has been kicking around for a while uh before it was eventually released and it kindof went through some some changes so the peel session version is it's he's saying like jacob you glow you you know you won't go and um but the the lyrics in there are so very abstracteven you know more so than the album version uh really yeah and it's hard to the the song the the early version is really different too it's it's longer the chorus repeats more times the umand you know there's kind of like more more to the meat of the song and less jam oh okay version yeah so i i always i always thought that version the peel version was was like thesuperior one um but i i never really realized how different they are like they really are um so i kind of i'll send you if you want or i don't know if i can do a screen share here but istructured them out it's probably not too interesting for a podcast but you know i i wrote down like you know verse one chorus one you know and mapped out the two different songs tocompare and they're pretty different they're pretty different yeah the um the wowie zowie version basically does verse chorus chorus, jam, verse, chorus, and then outro.[27:20] And then the Pueblo Domain actually repeats each of the choruses twice. It's twice as long.And then it does verse, two choruses, verse, two choruses, then a little jam, and then it ends on an instrumental version of the chorus.And it's a little louder and more boisterous and energetic. energetic so i uh.[27:48] It's on the Sordid Sentinels. It's on the Crooked Reign. It's on the Crooked Reign? Yeah, so check that one out for sure.Especially, yeah, and just anyone, if you haven't heard that, it's worth checking out the Peel session at the end.Tucked way at the end of that Crooked Reign reissue.They do also Brink of the Clouds, which ended up as a Wauwizawi B-side.[28:14] But it has a section at the end, like the kind of rocket and uh part of the song that's not on the studio version and yeah it's good you know it's cool i just you know pavement doinglike the unreleased songs on the radio sessions was just such a so cool and it's so cool it really lent to their mythos you know the yeah the mythology of the band like what you know theyhave all these songs like where where's all this stuff coming from why why does Malkmus just essentially just throw these gems away kind of thing?So, you know, which goes back to Hold on Hope and all that stuff.You know, he's just, he was so productive around this time, you know, and if you look at those reissues, you know, all the B-sides, all the stray tracks, it's just, it's amazing.[29:03] Yeah. Oh, like from 89 to 93, they were so prolific, right? right? Yeah.And there's so many songs on that Crooked Rain reissue that ended up on Wowie Zowie.So it's almost like right after Slandered and Enchanted was a huge burst of songs that ended up going out into the next two or three albums.Yeah. That's far out. Yeah.So what do you think about where this song is rated?Are you a fan of this song? I am a big fan of the song, but I think it's probably properly rated.It feels right. It feels like a song where...[29:48] Like i do really like it but i think it works best in the context of the album or at least it really shines as as a kind of almost penultimate track on wowie zowie you know it it's almostlike the climax of that album um like the emotional climax along with half a canyon you know just like i can see that yeah you know um and i also i i don't know for sure but i kind offigured that like a lot of pavement fans might not know like it by the title or something because it's not you don't really hear the title in the song no i don't think he sings it in the song hedoes on the peel version oh he does in the first line yeah i didn't realize it for a while but i was just listening and he said something about pueblo right right in like the first line but uh butyou know regardless like it seems like a song that's a deep cut but also well worthy to be a fan favorite you know because it it it's very pavementy it's almost like you couldn't really getmore.[30:50] In a certain like pavement mode of this kind of like it's almost a little countryish but it's just noisy and crunchy it's a little jammy and spacey it's just it's pure pavement yeah i thinkit would fit on watery like i i think you know i think it could like it yeah it's that good you Yeah, oh yeah.And if you hear the other version of the song on Crooked Rain, not the Peel version, but the, they call it the Beach Boys version.Right, yes, yeah. And all that is, is an instrumental. It's that pretty guitar intro and verse melody and everything.And Malkma's doing some just kind of wordless harmonies.[31:34] But just listening to that version, the way the guitar sounds is less twangy and is more sounds like, you know, In the Mouth of Desert or that kind of slanted style.Okay. And you can kind of hear how it fits into that kind of zone and how it kind of changed and fits into the wowie zowie zone where the guitar is more like a little slidey or a little liketwangy.It's really clean, right? Yeah. Like there's no distortion coming through it.Yeah. It's very clean sounding.Yeah. I would guess that, you know, the sound of the song kind of influenced the lyrical direction a little bit.It feels just like a, it feels a little country-ish, a little like desert-y or something.Yeah. There's a lot of that on Wowie Sowie, isn't there? Yeah.But yeah, and to me, that sounds like, I would connect that to sounds from the watery era too.Too, like even like Greenlander is kind of this almost like kind of stark and almost like these desolate songs he was doing around this time, like Rain Ammunition's another other one.Right.I don't know if you talk. Did you talk about like Rain Ammunition on the year first?Didn't get to it. You didn't do like the B-side stuff.Well, the initial thing was to use the bonus feed as B-sides.I think I got through 35 of them.Yeah. there's like 40 episodes on the bonus feed. Now there's the bottom 100 or the bottom 50 of this top 100 as well.[33:02] So I think, well, I can't give it away. I can't tell you that.Don't give anything away.Rain ammunition is on that bottom 50 or not.You know, I don't know. I'm just, I love all those stray songs around this era.So yeah, you know, there's a very defined vibe.Also kind of similar to like the early Silver Juice stuff that Malkmus was on I think you could connect stylistically that kind of like.[33:33] Deserty uh watery domestic slanted vibe and see how it kind of morphed into like the more country, tinged uh wowie zowie thing yeah and that's around the same time that davidwas doing starting to get a bit more twangy as well yeah yeah and i know i talked to bob recently and he you know he talked about how david pushed steve a little bit um well not a littlebit probably a lot lot right like lyrically like there was a lot of competition between those guys you have to think they pushed each other yeah yeah to like i mean how cool is it that thesetwo like amazingly talented guys got to meet and work together in their lives you know it's fucking insane this is really converged yeah and i i get the impression that you know mulchmiss everything kind of came easy to him and i think berman was someone who had to really push himself a little little more, like, you know, maybe like a little more dedication to craft orwhatever.I think he would look at Malkmus as like, you know, what, you know, like, how does he do it kind of guy, you know, just had to kind of like, you know, they had to like one up each othera little bit, you know, like a friendly, competitive kind of thing, you know?Well, I think Bob says, you know, he feels fortunate. I think I've heard him say that he feels fortunate to have worked with one of the best songwriters to ever live and one of the bestlyricists.Yeah, totally. It's so, so cool.[34:58] Yeah, Bob's had a great, lucky, you know, it's awesome for him to be able to work with those guys, I'm sure.Yeah. I can't even imagine. Nope, me neither. Yeah.So, that's what I've got for you this week. Is there anything else that you want to tie up?Is there anything that people can plug or anything that you can plug for people to look up?Sure, yeah, actually. That you're doing? doing uh i uh i'm in a band called rectangle creep and rectangle creep yeah we're pretty um pretty guided by voices influenced and there'spavement and we have 10 000 songs we have we do we have a lot of albums and stuff but if anyone you do have albums oh yeah like you know check check the band camp check theband camp and i do some i have a lot of different projects so So maybe I'll just mention that one, but it's a whole universe of bands and stuff like that. But yeah, it's fun. That's great.[36:00] You know, music is awesome. So go to Bandcamp and search for Rectangle Creep.Yeah, Rectangle Creep. And yeah.[36:08] Cool. Well, it's been great talking to you, man. Yeah, definitely.Thanks for letting me be a part of this project. It's really cool what you do.Yeah, well, thank you very much. Of course. We'll be back next... Oh, sorry to interrupt.I was just going to say how much I really love your interviews with Spiral.And it's really cool how generous he's been with talking to you.And all the other guys too but I mean I love how accessible he is and it's so cool learning about that stuff so I'm looking forward to you know whatever new pavement stuff comes out ifyou know whatever news and projects you know I appreciate that you help bring this stuff to light I'll fly the flag forever man do it yeah well, great talking to you again Dan yep thanks alot wash your god damn Sam Hance.Support 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jD is back and he's sitting with Chris chatting about the number 50 track on the Pavement Top 50.Track 2:[0:16] Hey, it's JD here, and welcome to the Meeting Malcomus Top 50 for Seminole Indie Rock Band, Pavement.Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential pavement tracks that you picked.How will your favorite track fare in the ranking?Wait and see. You'll need to tune in or whatever the podcast equivalent of tuning in is to get that information.Each week, we'll also invite a guest to not only discuss the track, but also to share their Pavement Origins story.So there's that. This week, we're joined by my friend Chris.Chris, how the fuck are you doing?Track 4:[1:02] I'm very well, thank you, JD. It's a big honor to be on your program.Program but you're a pavement scholar uh and i i've been listening for a while so uh yeah this is great that's great yeah we're gonna have some fun yeah yeah yeah yeah but doing goodyou all right i'm great man i'm great i'm i'm raring at the chopping at the bit to get to number one, and here we are here we are like way at the beginning with number 50 oh my gosh, ashso um let's talk a little bit about you how long have you been uh well like what's your pavement origin story right so um i i remember seeing the the record cover in a really cool recordshop in the town where i used to live which is bournemouth okay back back when and i'm talking talking about slanted i don't i probably don't pronounce it right because i know you dofrom.[2:07] And um i sort of was looking at it it looked really weird interesting um my mate ben he bought it and he said um right we're going to go on we were going on a school trip orsomething and he had a tape of it so um you know home taping and all that and i'd put it in my um you know cassette player and by i don't know 20 seconds in that was it i was i supposebefore that i'd listened to, the stone roses and the happy mondays were probably like my sort of favorite bands and then uh yeah and and i was pretty young then and then uh um nirvanawas sort of they were there but i i felt very differently when i heard pavement to how i heard nirvana i don't know uh pavement did something different to my brain tell me more aboutthat, Well, it's just the lyrics, I suppose. The energy lyrics and the drumming.Gary's drumming is just absolutely unbelievable.Track 3:[3:24] It's like tribal or something, isn't it?Track 4:[3:26] I don't know. I never really thought of it as tribal.It just doesn't sound like anything else, really. like he crammed so much in and he plays sort of little melodic uh riffs and and bits that really seem to go well with the singing yeah umwhether that was just pure fluke or what i don't know uh, but i read somewhere that steve would sort of say you know he'd be talking to gary during the.[3:58] Process of recording and basically be like saying like rock out now and all that kind of stuff um so he was giving him some sort of pointers like this bit because some of those earlysongs are the same three chords or whatever right over and over again but it doesn't sound like that because the the lyrics and the drumming and the guitar solos just make it so so muchmore if you and i still haven't tired of of any of that music um so yeah they were kind of like a band that i latched onto and thought yeah this is my band if you see what i mean yeahabsolutely did you get to see them live in the heyday um yeah well uh yeah i've seen them live quite a few times i didn't see them live when slanted came out because i was probably alittle bit um young to go to, maybe some of the places they were playing i don't really know but anyway i didn't and then and then saw them on the tour for...[5:02] Bright bright in the corners and i met i met them on that tour and i was a disgusting drunken mess so uh but i've talked to i've since apologized and talked to to bob about that and uhagain and he was like no it's fine don't worry about it but at the time i was like oh no i met met my favorite band and i was a fucking idiot you know but uh it happens didn't it um but yeahwe we kind of just launched ourselves at the little barrier and it just gave, and we just went, went round onto the stage and, and round, round the back and had a good chat to him.I don't know for how long, but it seemed like a, probably outstayed our welcome.Track 3:[5:43] Oh, I think they're used to it. I think they're used to it.Track 4:[5:46] Like they gave us a beer and stuff and they were very patient with, with these strange drunk boys around him.So yeah, um marvelous marvelous band and yeah still a huge fan saw him last year where when we met up in porto uh saw him in london um then and see him to the first roundhouseshow right yeah yeah it was, pretty noisy and sludgy yeah it's great and um richard dawson uh opened that one i don't know know if you know his work i don't know oh he's really goodum and steve was sort of singing his praises um during the pavement set um which was really cool and i've seen steve a bunch of times i saw and i've seen pavement a bunch of othertimes as well um steve the best one was is uh The solo one he did in London for the Groove Denied tour.Track 3:[6:54] So good. I went to that tour as well.Track 4:[6:56] Yeah. It's like, yeah, it was blown away. Me too.You could get pretty close and see what he was up to.And he looked like he was having a good time. So one-man band style.Track 3:[7:11] He couldn't hide behind anybody, you know, because he was front and center on that tour, him and his MacBook, right? Right, like it was him and that blue guitar, that blue, I don'tknow even know what kind of guitar it was that he was playing.Track 4:[7:23] Wasn't it?Track 3:[7:23] It was a hollow body though, wasn't it?Track 4:[7:26] Yeah. Wasn't it? That is, is that I forget her name.There's a good songwriter. All right. It'll come to me after this.I don't know. But if you, if you look up that guitar, I think it's made by somebody quite famous.Track 3:[7:41] Somebody is listening to this right now and screaming it into their, into their headphones.Track 4:[7:45] Bloody dick. I should have done it.Track 3:[7:47] Yeah.Track 4:[7:48] Um, but yeah, uh, that show was just the best. Yeah. That was really, really good.Um, it's funny because you went off on a tangent then i don't know i don't know where we started or where we've ended but that's the game baby lifeline fan is the summary and uh yeah isort of.[8:08] Collected and bought things all the way along um and i'm just looking forward to whatever happens next really yeah i mean uh i listened to your interview with spiral and he wassaying about out that singles box that'd be quite quite a nice thing if you if you've got a record player yeah i wonder what's going to be in that like it says the seven inch collection but likearen't they already out on vinyl like or some of them just some of them are hard to get um so yeah i think if you're if you're sort of collecting the seven inches you probably yeah youprobably need to part with a bit of cash now for like uh certainly the first one i mean well will those come with it do you think like slate tracks and demolition plot what if it's the singlesthen it i don't know oh do you do you count those as different releases like i don't know i don't know because it's like weird because perfect sound forever is a 10 inch right yeah so itwouldn't be on there so it won't be so you wouldn't be i have that and i have demolition plot but i don't have uh slay tracks oh i've got them look hold on i'm gonna move my i'm gonnamove my camera because i built.[9:21] You've got it for it yeah that's a beauty.[9:26] Even the insets and everything, it's just so much mystery and stuff like that.And when they came out as well, you didn't know really what they looked like.There was lots of little whisperings and weird fanzines that we'd buy and pick up and send off for.And there'd just be like a little review about pavement and it just added to the mystery. So they seem to have weirdly retained that, even though they're really not mysterious guys in a lotof ways. They will answer any question.Track 3:[9:58] They really will. But still, they managed to be… To cultivate this sort of clandestine… People are still interested, yeah.Track 4:[10:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.Track 3:[10:10] So what do you think it is that makes them… and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're more popular in the UK than they are even in the USA.What, if that is true, why do you think that is true?Like, why did you guys adopt them so heartily?Track 4:[10:30] I don't think it was a conscious decision to be honest. It was just, yeah, it was just instant.Track 3:[10:36] You guys know music better.Track 4:[10:37] I don't know. Maybe it was just because, maybe it was because, you know, the press here, certain people in the press may have warmed to them right so fewer people fewer peoplefewer outlets but i think more than that it was just an irresistible sound to to begin with and you know it's i suppose in a basic way they were a culmination of a lot of bands that real musicmusic fans dug, like the Velvet Underground and The Fall.Dylan-esque in some of the lyrical sort of things and people don't just like those kinds of bands a little bit they they love them and that's a good point um and then they had influence frombands like faust and can and again maybe beefheart the kinks my blade valentine it It was a lot of stuff that, yeah, people aren't just a little bit into.They're mad fanatics for those kind of bands.And yeah, that's what I think might have happened.Track 3:[11:50] Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I think John Peel.Track 4:[11:53] I'll answer the question in any way at all. Oh my God, yeah, absolutely. I just got off on my head.Track 3:[11:59] Hey, man.Track 4:[12:00] Yeah, John Peel as well. John Peel was huge and a lot of people I knew would tune in to his shows.And, you know, if there was a pavement session on, it would be on, on the Saturday night and you'd go in and to school and, and people would be talking about it on the Monday.And, you know, did you tape it? No, I fell asleep before the last song because he'd play a song throughout a two or three hour program every once in a while with no indication of whenthat was going to be on.So you had to be there with your, your pause button.Oh man. man ready to rock and roll and i've got like bootleg recordings of these shows where people have left peel on a little bit and also you can hear the kind of pause button go and allthat so oh that's so cool it's just something that we don't have anymore right like that idea of taping shit off the radio and you know that was so there's a modern equivalent but i won'tknow what that is no i don't either i've walked over that bridge and i'm you know yeah i'm in another realm so what do you say do you want to get into um track 50 yeah let's do it now onwith the countdown 50 blue hawaiian.Track 3:[16:33] Blue Hawaiian charts at number 50. That's right. Uh, from Brighton the Corners, your first tour.That's kind of cool. Yeah.Track 4:[16:42] Uh, I don't know whether they played it. I can't remember. Maybe somewhere there's the set list and you know, it's, you'll have to look it up on the set list, set list FM. Yeah. I'llmake a note.Yeah, absolutely. I can't remember.Track 3:[16:56] So what did you think when I first told you what song you were going to be covering?What were your initial thoughts?Track 4:[17:04] Well, this wasn't in my top 20, so I sent you a top 20.So I better be honest about that, you know, because I have read on YouTube comments that this is some people's favorite pavement song or favorite song.So I was kind of alarmed because I hadn't put it in my top 20.But as I said to you when I sent you my list, it's quite a task to choose a top 20 of Pavement songs because, well, there's so many that you could, and it could change every day.But also, there's not many bands out there who you'd have that problem with.[17:46] You know most bands would have four or five half decent songs that push yeah uh pavement have uh.[17:53] They've exceeded that like they really have yeah so um it there are there are interesting band in that regard in that everyone's going to have some very i've got some very obscurefavorites and soft spots for some bits that maybe other people wouldn't wouldn't dig so much so uh yeah well i can tell you this is how this is how varied the lists were i asked for top 20and when i compiled everything together i ended up with 121 songs so there were 121 different pavement songs that's huge that got that got votes that to me is crazy because their catalogis probably only 175 songs you know so that means there was only like 50 songs that weren't included for that's right that's right that day yeah that day yeah because i've got like i've justbrought up my list i've got circa 1762 that's one of my absolute favorites and great song yeah just the chorus is just absolute killer spiraling and steve kind of trading trading the lines uhyeah absolutely amazing but um in terms of blue hawaiian yeah i was pleased to be given that in a way because i i went back and i listened to it a bunch of times with slightly differentears slightly more.[19:17] Analytical and uh it's great it's a really good song so yeah i love that i love that it starts with that sort of whoosh there's like a whooshing pushing sound like right before the bassdrum kick in yeah and then you've got that beck i say beck style it's like you think it could be a hip-hop song yeah and um real good groove yeah and i think steve was dabbling with um.[19:47] Like a hip-hop in his lyric writing there's a couple of other songs that i i sort of made a note of one called easily fooled yeah give it a day it's kind of it's got a hip-hop flow in a wayit just it's a long stream of lyrics and there's another thing he did on a compilation album called um.[20:08] Robin turns 26 on an album called at home with the groove box and if you haven't ever heard that it's a very short song but um a bunch of musicians were given this instrumentcalled a groove box and told to make a track and send it in for this compilation and um yeah the steve mountmas song on it is called robin turns 26 and it's amazing um and i reckon thatsomewhere in the vault there's a steven mountmas rap album uh and i'd love i'd love it to come out i reckon and there's i reckon it's there somewhere well his lyrics his lyrics and you knowwe can we can be specific to this song are so there's such a swagger to the vocal there's such a swagger right like he's right in he's right muddy in that groove that they've got going withthe bass and drums i love the way he uh like vocalizes um absolutely but but the lyrics are sort of all over the place and there's these you know couplets that work really well together andthen like you say there's almost like a hip-hop cadence to it yeah you know so it.[21:20] Starts off really welcoming yeah come on you know it's like my home yeah welcome to my home and there's a couple of of welcome songs in the catalog as well like one fromsilver jews it's like um the hello my friends line right and in grave architecture they is it come come on in or something there's he says something.[21:44] At the beginning oh so why is that not in my head jesus i'm sure i'm sure just at the beginning he says something anyway but yeah so at the beginning he sounds very welcoming mebut then he's talking about his his cheeks or somebody's cheeks losing luster and things like that yes um i wonder if he's talking to himself in the mirror because it seems like he's in therecording studio environment he's talking about tape machines slipping out of sync which is a problem that would only be a problem in a recording studio uh nowhere else in the world umWell, doesn't he change, the second time through, he changes the lyric, it sounds like, from rather than toes grouped in clusters to tones, right? Tones.Yeah, tones are grouped in clusters. Yeah.Track 3:[22:36] Doesn't he say toes the first time?Track 4:[22:38] I've got the record. Hang on a second. Let's have a look.Track 3:[22:41] I feel like...Track 4:[22:46] You think it's toes.Track 3:[22:47] I did think it was toes and then it changes to tones, but I totally.Track 4:[22:52] Well, again, that's another thing about, I think it's magical about Peyton.I've misheard lyrics for 20 plus years.Track 3:[22:59] You betcha.Track 4:[23:00] And it doesn't, it doesn't diminish the.Track 3:[23:03] No.Track 4:[23:05] But anything. No, because they're not narrative. The fact it increases the, the, the mystery or the allure.Track 3:[23:12] It is sort of word salad, right? Like it's not like a narrative.Track 4:[23:15] It's, it's like his lyrics are great but they're not necessarily um there's not a lot of imagery in them they're they're more feeling yeah yeah yeah um it says tones okay that's fair tone sobut i like that toes.[23:39] See i'm cool and underqualified till the bitter fucking end so am i and, uh well have you got any other bits about the lyrics that you're sort of thinking about or, um if it starts with ans it's no what is the what is that lyric if it starts with an s it's followed with a t and that's probably probably yeah you're referring to him that's what i think he's addressing himself that'swhat that to me as soon as you said he's addressing himself that lyric came to my mind i think i think you're on to something yeah and there's um i know they would have been touring alot back then and he's talking about like the notion or idea of home and he's also talking about his soul i don't think pavement don't often uh get metaphysical like the soul but that's right ithink it's mentioned by spiral in another in his track uh, Yeah, in Passat Dream, it mentions soul as well.But his soul is the shape of an ellipse.Track 3:[24:54] That's very cool. I love that.Track 4:[24:57] A squashed oval or squashed circle.Track 3:[25:00] Yeah, yeah.Track 4:[25:02] Hmm. I don't know.Track 3:[25:05] Very, very messed up, right?Track 4:[25:08] Yeah, it's good. But the best lyric, I think, is this kiss me into the past.Track 3:[25:16] Yes.Track 4:[25:19] Because you can imagine somebody thinking about a kiss.I imagine somebody thinking about a kiss. Kiss from the past that some, for whatever reason, has stuck with them.And I think it's kind of a relatable thing.And the other part to that is the lately is never going to last.Because I guess time is in constant motion so what's lately now will not be, very soon it's kind of a constant march yeah.[25:56] But the guitar solo man talk to me about that well it just sounds like he sort of plugged in, completely in in the zone and just pulled out this first take kind of brain melter there's likethese weird chords going on on the keyboard i think he's on keyboard as well for this so i think he's gone on and overdone himself but i might be wrong because because this and wowiezowie it was the whole band right yeah they all they recorded as a band rather than uh in bits and pieces or smaller smaller kind of groups yeah and i imagine they would have been prettybuzzed because it was done at the um was it mitch easter that's right so you know some records that they would have been really into like early rem stuff that's right that would Wouldhave been done there or thereabouts, and that must have been, I imagine, quite a buzz.Track 3:[26:53] I think so, because I think they were pretty big R.E.M. fans.Track 4:[26:57] Yeah.Track 3:[26:58] Yeah.Track 4:[27:00] And just a weird bit of trivia. It said, I was on the Wikipedia for the studio, and it said that an early ad for the studio listed the address as 124 Shady Boulevard.Track 3:[27:17] Oh, get out!Track 4:[27:18] Not quite a shady lane, but close, eh?Track 3:[27:22] I wonder if that's where he got the lyric from, for Shady Lane.Track 4:[27:25] I don't know. Because I think they did it all there. I don't know if there was a lot of prep beforehand.I think it's all done in a day.Track 3:[27:36] Where does Brighton the Corners fit in your personal top five pavement records?Track 4:[27:43] Oh, man.Track 3:[27:44] You know, it can be for today. Like, you know, it's not, yeah, that's it.Track 4:[27:49] And it changes.Wowie zowie used to be one um i really liked some of the songs but i i didn't like some of the others so much and then that one became my favorite really yeah that's cool uh slantedbecause it was my gateway yeah yeah and i love all the stuff pre-slanted as well yeah so all the scratchy kind of i'm not as big on that i like the more melodic stuff but uh i like that and ilike the early silver juice stuff as well that sounds like it's just yeah recorded on a cassette yeah yeah that's got you just don't hear stuff like that very often no or um and it's nice to hear ituh different fidelities you know throughout their their uh time they've they've had every kind of fi going yeah when you think they worked with nigel godrich you know yeah Yeah,exactly. That would be last.Terror Twilight would be the bottom.I feel like that's fairly consistent. I think it's a bad album.I think it's good, but it's just the worst pavement album.Track 3:[29:04] Yeah, I think a lot of people would agree with that. It'll be interesting as I go through this process, I'm going to be interested to hear what people think.Track 4:[29:14] Yeah because people might have a certain track on that that's really really uh special to them and i can imagine the hex will the hex is great is that in the top 50 do you think okayyou're not allowed to divulge such things i will not divulge well done jd that was a test and you, passed i'm a fucking vault baby, uh yeah so um, I can't remember what the originalquestion was, but.Track 3:[29:45] Your top five pavement records.Track 4:[29:47] Top five, yeah.Track 3:[29:48] Where does Bright in the Corners fit?Track 4:[29:50] Fourth.Track 3:[29:51] Fourth, okay. Yeah, it's my number one.Track 4:[29:54] Yeah, I remember you saying that, and you stuck to that. Yeah.Is that because that was the one that you heard almost in real time, so when it came out.Track 3:[30:02] No, Terror Twilight was my favorite. Yeah, I was late to the party, man. Really late to the party.Track 4:[30:08] What was that theory?Track 3:[30:10] Really late to the party. I heard terror twilight and then the Malcolm is solo record. And I was done. It was, I was sold.It was like, okay, this is, this is my new favorite singer. Like I love this.Track 4:[30:23] Yeah.Track 3:[30:24] Yeah. And then the more I listened to pavement, I was like, wow, this is, they're speaking my language. Like they just really spoke my language.I don't know. I don't know specifically why or what dialect they were speaking, but it like, it just worked, you know?Track 4:[30:39] Well, yeah, The crowds at Primavera suggest that quite a lot of other people felt that way as well.Track 3:[30:46] I think so. I think so.Track 4:[30:48] Just an amazing band. You are into stuff like the Crest Brothers as well, aren't you? Like the deeper...Track 3:[30:55] I like the Crest Brothers. I like Silkworm. Like, I like Silkworm.So I experimented with the Crest Brothers because I was like, well, it's Silkworm and Malchmus.Like, how can that be bad? And then...Track 4:[31:08] Because i think i said to you i wanted to put that out right on my label that doesn't really exist anymore but if they said yes i would reactivate it and try and put it out on vinyl, was itjust on bandcamp is that the only place you can get it what the the cross brothers yeah i got it as a cd um you do oh okay when it when it came marquee mark uh it was it was like um, I'dsay I'd run down and get it, but I won't be able to find it very easily.But it was like a benefit CD for a cause, some kind of environmental issue.I can't remember what it was, but it was a good cause. Yeah, they just sold them online when they came out, and goodness knows if they're around now.Track 3:[32:04] Yeah, but it'd be tough to find. I don't know. you could take a look at discogs and find out but probably it's probably like um, uh it's probably like the early eps you know just sort oftough to get your hands on yeah not not many made so it gets it gets harder as time time moves on yeah yeah cross brothers was released 1998 uh sometimes it has in the notes recordeddecember the 5th 1997 and they recorded it live i think right like yeah at the crocodile cafe in seattle yeah it was performed as a benefit for the washington wilderness coalition oh coolcoalition sorry yeah it's It's always good when our favorites do good work.Track 4:[32:55] Definitely. Yeah.Track 3:[32:56] Well, Chris, that just about wraps things up. I guess I just have a couple more questions.Go for it, J.D. And it's, the big question is, are you happy with where Blue Hawaiian ended up on the top 50?Or do you think it's, do you think it's properly rated, it's overrated, or it's underrated on this particular list?Track 4:[33:21] I think it's about right, don't you?Track 3:[33:23] Yeah, I do. Yeah.Track 4:[33:24] Yeah. It's a great track. I mean, as I say, find another band with 50, 49 better songs than this, and you're doing well.Track 3:[33:33] I think you're doing really well.Track 4:[33:34] You're doing really well. So, yeah, I think it's about right.You know, I wouldn't want it to be in the top 10.Track 3:[33:40] No, no. There we go. It would stand out like a sore thumb, trust me.Track 4:[33:45] Yeah. And that's the other thing. it sounds very different to nearly all the other songs in the whole catalog really i know we talked about the the lyrical flow is similar to some otherthings but sonically with the bass it's got very i don't know it's there was something in the air at that time with the beastie boys and and beck and stuff and uh pavement seemed to tap intoit just for that one one track one track yeah because it sounds very different than everything else on brighton as well yeah you know when you think that's a collection of collection ofsongs they were writing at the time and it's yeah it sounds really different very eclectic yeah well dude it's been great talking to you um is there anything you want to plug or anything thatyou want people to find uh and if so where do they find you um well i think as.[34:37] I mentioned i i have a i had a label i should probably say the name of it and it was called recno i don't really do it much anymore but um when i send people emails it comes usuallyfrom the recno email because that's my email and that's uh that's when i used to send you little bits and pieces so that's that's what you uh know me as as well but i've got nothing to plugi'm just uh i'm just going to enjoy the the rest of the uh the countdown and uh see how it see how it progresses all right well i want to really thank you chris for joining me this week on thepod but that's all i've got for you this week wash your goddamn hands.Support 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Wowie! We are finally here, in our southern home for the winter. Helena, Buck, Siouxsie, Brody, Clarabelle, Jack, Lola, and Cheeto. We drove 18 hours with a trailer full of hay and a truck full of cats to land safely at our farm in Aiken, South Carolina. Well, technically, we are in Windsor, a little hamlet within the Aiken community. It took a lot of planning to get here, and there are already so many interesting observations, so listen in! This episode is brought to you by: AMERICAN STALLS - premium quality stable components and accessories.

It's a bonus between-seasons Dice Exploder! Wowie!As promised back in my episode with Gem Room Games about Mork Borg, today I'm talking about accessibility in game design using Mork Borg's graphic design as an example. My cohost is Marc Muszynski, a friend and screenwriter with low vision, and we talk in detail about his experience with Mork Borg. Is this game, with all its important and loud art, accessible to people who can't see? Like with most accessibility questions, It's Complicated™!Further reading:Mork BorgAccessibility in Gaming Resource Guide by Jennifer KretchmerTTRPG Accessibility Drive 2023 game jam on itchContrast checking tool for visual design.Color checking tool for colorblindness.Sylexiad, my favorite Dyslexia-friendly font:Fate Accessibility Toolkit by Evil HatTwo articles about “sanity” mechanics in RPGs (don't put “sanity” mechanics in your games)Socials:Marc on imdb (lmao)Sam on Bluesky, Twitter, dice.camp, and itch.Our logo was designed by sporgory, and our theme song is Sunset Bridge by Purely Grey.Join the Dice Exploder Discord to talk about the show! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit diceexploder.substack.com

Get ready because we have one packed week! Julia, Elisabeth, and Alex talk all thing Bravo! Things are meh on reunion part two of RHONY, Monica and her mom go toe to toe on RHOSLC, Dorit has a questionable anniversary date with PK on RHOBH, Winter House turns into a full on dating show, the boys on Southern Charm lose their minds over a questionably placed bra, and all the madness on the premiere of RHOM! Wowie!

This week the team go Yowie hunting with Dean Harrison an Australian Yowie Researcher. According to the professional these creatures are EVERYWHERE and and can be incredibly dangerous. Join the crew as they ask everything you need and want to know about this legend. www.yowiehunters.com.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The gang is all here! Julia, Elisabeth, and Alex break down the season finale of OC, get goofy with SLC, pick a fight with NYC, betray friends on Southern Charm. Wowie zowie!

Dr. Loki (Gotham Road/Mister Monster/Darrow Chemical Company/Michale Graves) is in the house tonight for some live pizza as we shoot the $h!t and are joined by JV Bastard, Howie Wowie from Nim Vind, Robby Bloodshed, and Ramy!!! FRUMESS is POWERED by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.riotstickers.com/frumess⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ GET 1000 STICKERS FOR $79  RIGHT HERE - NO PROMO CODE NEED! JOIN THE PATREON FOR LESS THAN A $2 CUP OF COFFEE!! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/Frumess ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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O M G!!! I've had this episode planned for MONTHS because I am seeing the Jonas Brothers in Vegas on 9/8 but WOWIE has shiz hit the fan. In this episode we cover: 1. Joe and Sophie's divorce 2. Celebrity Mom and Food News 3. History of the Jonas Brothers (did you know their dad was a minister?) 4. The Dating History of Joe Jonas I recorded this episode before the concert and will update you all with how the concert was later this week! Love ya! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dumbhotmom/message

Mr Rizzo and TBZ take time to pay their respects to the late Windham Rotunda and Terry Funk and cover AEW's All In PPV!

Sir Charles rejoins the show this week! We reflect on some the major and shocking losses to the wrestling world. We also review AEW's All In and then preview two major shows happening this Labor Day weekend. WWE's Payback & AEW's All Out. FOR ALL THINGS KINGS CLICK HERE⁠ MERCHANDISE STORE ⁠ DISCORD CHAT  ⁠ JOIN OUR PATREON⁠   FOLLOW WRESTLE ADDICT RADIO OFFICIAL WAR MERCHANDISE   Beats provided by Midnight Music Midnight Music on Twitter: @MidnightMUZC410 Midnight Music on Instagram: @midnightmusic410 --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/wrestleaddictradionetwork/message

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Sir Charles rejoins the show this week! We reflect on some the major and shocking losses to the wrestling world. We also review AEW's All In and then preview two major shows happening this Labor Day weekend. WWE's Payback & AEW's All Out. FOR ALL THINGS KINGS CLICK HERE⁠ MERCHANDISE STORE ⁠ DISCORD CHAT  ⁠ JOIN OUR PATREON⁠   FOLLOW WRESTLE ADDICT RADIO OFFICIAL WAR MERCHANDISE   Beats provided by Midnight Music Midnight Music on Twitter: @MidnightMUZC410 Midnight Music on Instagram: @midnightmusic410 --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/wrestleaddictradionetwork/message

Wowie wow wow! What SCANDAL! Join us, as we discuss the season two finale of Cruel Summer, in all of its plot hole glory! We had a blast covering this wacky lil show this season, go follow us on our main feed, BingetownTV to keep up with our latest shows and episode drops! LOVE YALL! Alexa, play Taylor Swift Cruel Summer. Thanks :) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wowie wow wow! What SCANDAL! Join us, as we discuss the season two finale of Cruel Summer, in all of its plot hole glory! We had a blast covering this wacky lil show this season, go follow us on our main feed, BingetownTV to keep up with our latest shows and episode drops! LOVE YALL! Alexa, play Taylor Swift Cruel Summer. Thanks :) Join our Discord server to discuss this episode and all things TV and movies with us! https://discord.com/invite/uwBnD3AgQb If you like what you heard, please hit that subscribe button so you can stay caught up with all of our weekly coverage of this awesome series! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever heard of the Wendy's Baconator? What about Burger King's Mac n' Cheetos? Well today's guest, Alexandra Watkins, is the brain behind those well known names... and ALSO the person who came up with the new name of THIS podcast (which will be revealed on episode #140!). Alexandra is the founder of a naming firm, Eat My Words, that has created love-at-first sight brand names for countless companies including Amazon, Coca-Cola, Disney, Google, Twitter, and Colgate. She's also the author of the book, “Hello, My Name is Awesome: How To Create Brand Names That Stick” which has become my BIBLE for coming up with creative names! Some other fun facts about her: - Her pool house office is literally a Barbie Dream House (she gave me a virtual tour) where she has a view of a colorful surfboard fence, tropical tiki bar, and chattering flocks of Point Loma's famous green parrots. - Her three giant inflatable pink flamingos are named Maui, Wowie, and Howie. - She has eaten her way through 50 countries where she's sunk her teeth into delicacies including BBQ squirrel in Tanzania.

Ep 250- Here it is… our 250th episode! Wowie wow wow! We can hardly believe it ourselves. To join us in our celebration, we grabbed ahold of Weirdsville's own Lt. Mayor (or Jr. Mayor or something), DESI! Lt. Mayor Desi has been a guest on the pod several times and always brings great stories and … Continue reading "Ep 250- “Rectum Nuggets”"

WOWIE!! This episode was such a fun one to dig into! Rory has two birthday parties, one hosted by Emily and one hosted by Lorelai. We chat about our own personal beliefs on gift giving, the sadness attached to birthdays, and the beauty of a Mcdonald's fountain Coca-Cola.

This episode SPOILS through Chapter 1 of V3! Wowie y'all. This first chapter really lets us players know that this season will be unlike any other before. Tune in to hear our thoughts and reactions up to the trial! Become a patron at https://www.patreon.com/ultrahopegirlspod to get access to extra content for as little as $2/month! Learn more about the Ultra Hope Girls: http://ultrahopegirls.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/ultra_podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ultrahopegirls/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ultrahopegirls?lang=en Send us a voice message: https://anchor.fm/ultra-hope-girls/message --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/ultra-hope-girls/message

Gobble up this episode! This week Mike & Kenny are joined by comedian Bri Jones (Pack Theater, Daily Misinformer) to discuss their investment in Wendy's. They talk about Turkey Day, fast food memories, and their trip to Wendy's in BURBANK! Wowie zowie! What an episode!

When Dennis "Wowie" Rosales talked about bodybuilding and pretty much being on a diet for thirty years, well it just blew my mind.  The dedication to living a healthy lifestyle in a world of fast food is commendable, but Wowie wanted to be a competitive bodybuilder and that's what it took. As Wowie talks of growing up in Gallup, NM and joining the Navy right out of high school, he mentions regrets (like not staying in the Navy), but also his accomplishments (wonderful wife and kids, successful businesses, staying in great shape) that have come to him on his life journey.  

Allen, Ski, and Brent recap and review Season 6, Episode 6, “Feelings."  Wowie-wow-wow-wow!  Dorothy has a bad student, but will she let him play in the big game?  Can Rose stand up for herself to a touchy feely dentist?  Will the name Kevin die off in popularity?!?  Listen now to find out! 

Buckle in for a fairly long news segment this week, Mystorians!  We had the Emmys!   We had D23!  We had the passing of a prolific world leader!   Wowie!  To cool things down a bit, your host Brenda brought a shorter topic this week, Hallmark's answer to Strawberry Shortcake...Rainbow Brite! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wowie zowie! Minute 110 brings the end of the main plot of High School Musical 2, so Chandra and Tyler spend this episode discussing the start of the credits and the bloopers that play over them. Also, Tyler guesses the plot of High School Musical 3 in anticipation of our next season. Wildcat Minute is a production of the Amateur Nerds. Rate, review, subscribe, tell your friends! Follow us on Twitter @amateurnerds Email us amateurnerdspresent@gmail.com Logo by @tgoldenart Music by Joe Winslow

The Drunk Gentlemen prefer beer this week when they read Blonde by Joyce Carol Oates. They also get a doctor to prescribe: Visual Fantasy by Beer Tree, Yellow Cake by Finback, Clawfoot Bathtub by Fifth Frame, Wowie by Rhinegeist, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, I've Been Missing my Mom's Spiced Blackberry

Season 6 of the Crazy Town Podcast 10 Minutes or Less "Howie Wowie"

We chat with Alexandra Watkins, who shares insightful and quirky ideas on how to promote a book and your brand. Today, it's all about discovering your personality, having fun, and getting your name out there. You certainly don't want to miss this!Key Takeaways from This EpisodeHelpful techniques to convince readers to write an online reviewHow to reiterate positive thoughts of an online review and engage with your readersThe importance of creating the right brand name/titleStrategies to effectively market your book and keep your book top of the lineUnique ways to add a personal touch to book promotionsResources Mentioned in This EpisodeYour First 1,000 Copies by Tim Grahl | Audiobook & PaperbackPablo PicassoBreaking BadWalter WhiteMade to Stick by Chip Heath and Dan Heath | Audiobook & HardcoverTCHO ChocolateCupcake VineyardsGive & Take by Adam M. Grant | Audiobook & HardcoverAbout Alexandra WatkinsChief Executive Boss Lady of Eat My Words, Alexandra Watkins, is a leading and outspoken authority on brand names. Her breakthrough creativity book, Hello, My Name is Awesome: How to Create Brand Names That Stick, is considered “the brand name Bible” and was named a Top 10 Marketing Book by Inc. Magazine.Since 2005, Alexandra and her firm have created love-at-first-sight brand names for clients from Amazon to Xerox. Her name hall of fame includes Wendy's Baconator, the Neato robotic vacuum, Smitten ice cream, Spanish language school Gringo Lingo, frozen yogurt franchise Spoon Me, and the Church of Cupcakes.Alexandra is not afraid to name names, especially in her entertaining presentation “How Not to Nayme Your Startup.” She is a popular speaker and has delighted audiences at conferences, including Startup Grind, Endeavor, Collision, and LA Tech Week. She especially enjoys speaking to MBA students and has been invited to lecture multiple times at Stanford University, the University of California at Berkeley, the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth, the University of Southern California, the University of San Francisco, the University of San Diego, INSEAD, and other fine academic institutions.Before Eat My Words, Alexandra was an advertising copywriter, working at leading West Coast ad agencies, including Ogilvy and Mather, where she worked for five years, helped launch Microsoft Windows, and learned the language of Geek Speak. In the mid-nineties, she jumped on the dot com gravy train and rode it until it crashed in her San Francisco backyard. Alexandra took the money and ran, spending an entire year in Australia, New Zealand, Bali, and Fiji disguised as a 21-year-old backpacker. Upon her return, she followed her passion for creating names and soon after started Eat My Words.Alexandra creates imaginative succulent arrangements in unexpected containers she finds by scouring her local flea market in San Diego in her free time. She lives by the beach in her Barbie Dream House and works out of her pool house office, where she has a view of a colorful surfboard fence, tropical tiki bar, and chattering flocks of Point Loma's famous green parrots. Her three giant inflatable pink flamingos are Maui, Wowie, and Howie.Website: Eat My WordsTwitter: @eatmywordsFacebook: Eat My WordsLinkedIn: Eat My WordsAlexandra's Book: Hello, My Name is Awesome: How to Create Brand Names That StickAlexandra's Online Course: How to Create Super Sticky Brand NamesLove the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share!Here's How » Join The Author's Corner Community today:Website: Robin ColucciLinkedIn: R Colucci, LLCFacebook: Robin ColucciTwitter: @Robin_ColucciRobin Colucci's Book: How to Write a Book That Sells You: Increase Your Credibility, Income, and Impact

I've known Cassandra Peterson for decades but even I had no idea how wild her history was! The nine lives of Elvira! Wowie! Lots of surprises in her new memoir, dolls! Tune into our thrilling gabfest! Part of Pantheon Podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I've known Cassandra Peterson for decades but even I had no idea how wild her history was! The nine lives of Elvira! Wowie! Lots of surprises in her new memoir, dolls! Tune into our thrilling gabfest!Part of Pantheon Podcasts

I've known Cassandra Peterson for decades but even I had no idea how wild her history was! The nine lives of Elvira! Wowie! Lots of surprises in her new memoir, dolls! Tune into our thrilling gabfest! Part of Pantheon Podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I've known Cassandra Peterson for decades but even I had no idea how wild her history was! The nine lives of Elvira! Wowie! Lots of surprises in her new memoir, dolls! Tune into our thrilling gabfest!Part of Pantheon Podcasts