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Managing pests like powdery mildew, downy mildew, botrytis, and sour rot can be a complex challenge. Andy Fles, Vineyard Manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan, shares insights from his USDA Sustainable Ag Research Education producer grant project. The project compares two pest management approaches: a ‘soft' pesticide program and a conventional one. Andy conducted the experiment using his on farm sprayer, providing real-world results. Despite climate variability and fluctuating pest pressures, the soft pesticide program proved effective. The project underscores the potential of using softer chemistries to manage disease while maintaining fruit quality. 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Since 1994, Vineyard Team has been your resource for workshops and field demonstrations, research, and events dedicated to the stewardship of our natural resources. Learn more at www.vineyardteam.org.   Transcript [00:00:00] Beth Vukmanic: Managing pests like powdery mildew, downy mildew, botrytis and sour rot can be a complex challenge. [00:00:10] Welcome to sustainable Wine Growing with Vineyard Team, where we bring you the latest in science and research for the wine industry. I'm Beth Vukmanic executive director. [00:00:21] In today's podcast, Craig McMillan, critical resource Manager at Niner Wine Estates. With Longtime SIP Certified Vineyard and the first ever SIP certified winery speaks with Andy Fles, vineyard Manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan. Andy shares insights from his USDA Sstainable Ag Research Education Producer grant project. The project compares to pest management approaches, a soft pesticide program and a conventional one. [00:00:50] Andy conducted the experiment using his on farms sprayer, providing real world results. Despite climate variability and fluctuating pest pressures, the soft pesticide program proved effective. The project underscores the potential of using softer chemistries to manage disease while maintaining fruit quality. [00:01:10] If you'd like to learn more about this topic, then we hope you can join us on April 25th, 2025 for the fungicide spraying evolving strategies in Grower Insights tailgate taking place in San Luis Obispo, California. Dr. Shunping Ding of Cal Poly will share updated results from a study on the efficacy of different fungicide programs containing bio fungicides. [00:01:34] Then we will head out into the vineyard to learn about new technologies for integrated pest management and talk with farmers from different growing regions about their program. Now let's listen in.  [00:01:49] Craig Macmillan: Our guest today is Andy Fles. He is the vineyard manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Michigan. And today we're going to talk about a pretty cool little project. He's got going looking into two different pesticide programs. Thanks for being on the podcast, Andy. [00:02:03] Andrew Fles: Yeah, my pleasure, Craig. [00:02:05] Craig Macmillan: So you have a grant from the USDA sustainable agriculture research and education program. To look at what you call a soft pesticide program for your vineyard in Michigan and comparing it to what we would call a sustainable or sustainable conventional program. What do you define as a soft pesticide program? [00:02:25] Andrew Fles: Well, that's kinda just a, a term that we applied to identify it. I didn't want to use organic because I thought that there would be a good chance we would utilize things that are considered by the industry to be very soft in terms of you know, they're not a harsh chemical or a carcinogenic, a known carcinogenic compound. [00:02:49] But something, for example, like. Like horticultural grade peroxide, which goes by several different trade names. So that's just, it's hydrogen peroxide and it is a disinfectant that turns into water and oxygen. So it's pretty Soft in terms of what it does to beneficials and, and plants and, and such. [00:03:11] We utilize some of those products already in our spray program. But combined also with, we're probably 50 percent organic in terms of what we spray out. for fungicides, pesticides, insecticides. And so we're still altering in some synthetic compounds. [00:03:28] And we wanted to compare that, what we currently do, to something that was much softer, like only soft compounds. Something that could be considered a OMRI certified organic program, or, or almost, right? Like maybe there's just one or two things that are very soft, but not technically OMRI certified. [00:03:49] Craig Macmillan: Right, and I do want to , get into the weeds on that a little bit later. Cause it's a, it's an interesting, Set a program that you've got going and I have lots of questions about them. What inspired this project? [00:04:01] Andrew Fles: I think just that continued movement towards investigating what works here in the east. You know, we, of course, get more wetting events and, and wetting periods that cause more fungal issues here compared to the west coast. And so we really, you know, we have to have an eye on sustainability. Certainly at Shady Lane, we really push for that. [00:04:25] But we also need to make sure that we have a marketable crop. We need to make sure the wine quality is, is high and acceptable for our standards. And so you know, if we're talking about, you know, every year is quite different here. We can get a, like, for example, in 2024, very wet in the first half of the year, very, very dry in the second half. [00:04:51] And, and then, which was quite different from 23 and quite different from 22 and so on and so forth. so, so some years we need to kind of step in and use a synthetic product here at this key time or, you know we need to protect our, our, our wine grape quality. [00:05:07] Craig Macmillan: What are the primary pests and diseases in your area? [00:05:11] Andrew Fles: So we have issues with the usual suspects that powdery mildew, of course. That's, that's fairly, I think if you're on top of your game, that's, it's pretty controllable. Even with soft products here it's just a spray frequency and coverage issue. [00:05:27] Downy mildew is something that can be quite challenging in certain years. [00:05:31] And there's, and there's less tools in the toolbox to use for that as well. And so you gotta, you gotta be on top of that with scouting preventative, like canopy, you know, canopy management practices that deter too dense of a canopy or, or clusters that are. hidden behind several layers of leaf. [00:05:53] Those are going to cause problems for you no matter what you're spraying, synthetic or organic, right? So, so we try and utilize all those things and and then we, we can also have issues in some years with botrytis and even sour rot and tight clustered varieties. So, so we were looking at sour rot and botrytis in the, in the cluster analysis of this portion of the , project. [00:06:18] Yeah, we have some locations can struggle with grape erinium mite. That's becoming more and more prevalent here. Wasn't an issue four years ago. Not, not really up in, up in northern Michigan anyway. So that's becoming more and more of an issue. And then we always struggle with rose chafers. It's a, it's a grub that, you know, comes out for six weeks and really terrorizes the vines. [00:06:49] And for that, for that pest, we really walk the line of the economic damage threshold, right? So, so a little, you know, we're going to see rose chafers every year. Some years are better than others. And what is our acceptable damage, you know? And so, once we see the rose chafers really getting dense in number, and also, you know, munching on a few leaves is one thing, munching on the clusters and the shoot tips is another thing. [00:07:21] Craig Macmillan: That's what I was going to ask. Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with this this pest. It, skeletonizes leaves, but it also will attack flower clusters and, and grape clusters in the early stages of development. Is that right? [00:07:34] Andrew Fles: Pretty much all green tissue. Yeah, a bunch of shoot, shoot tips leaves are probably, you know, their preferred source, I think, but anything tender. And so if, if the timing is just right where the, the inflorescences are, are you know, just coming out when the, when the beetles hatch, then they can really go for those cluster tips and, and shoot tips. [00:07:59] While we're scouting for this pest, we not only do the, you know, the density numbers and annotate that, but we look at, you know, how many are actually eating leaves versus shoot tips and clusters. [00:08:13] Craig Macmillan: Interesting, interesting. What is the design of your project and what varieties are we talking about? And what kind of variables are you measuring and how are you measuring them? [00:08:25] Andrew Fles: this is a farmer grant as opposed to a research grant. , it's tailored to folks that want to do on, on farm trials. And we want to do. Something in a significant enough volume, you know, that, that some that it would apply, it would be more applicable in the real world. [00:08:45] So for example you know, at a university they might do this randomized plots, you know, and they're using a backpack sprayer because they're, they're applying you know, three vines here, three vines there, scattered all throughout the block. And we wanted to use the sprayer that we actually use. [00:09:04] Um, and we wanted to do a bigger sections. And so what we did was we broke it up into two acre sections and we did two acres of both the traditional, the conventional program that we normally would do here and the soft treatment. So we did two acres of each in pinot noir, two acres of each in a, in a French American hybrid called ol, and then two acres of Riesling. [00:09:33] And we wanted to look at powdery, downy, botrytis, and sour rot. [00:09:38] In certain years, we can have quite a lot of botrytis and sour rot pressure in those three varieties. Because Pinot Noir of course is tight clustered. Vignole is even tighter clustered despite having that French American disease resistance package. It, it doesn't possess that for Botrytis or Sour Rot. [00:09:58] and then of course Riesling is a, is a very, it's probably the number one variety in Michigan. And as we all know, it's susceptible to Botrytis. [00:10:08] Craig Macmillan: Yeah. Big time. [00:10:10] Nice design. Great varieties to choose. I think that was really, really smart. How are you going to quantify these different variables? How are you going to measure the damage? [00:10:18] Andrew Fles: So for Powdery and Downey we just kind of did a scouting assessment. You know, how, prevalent is the infection based on how many leaves per, per per scouting event? I think off the top of my head, it was like 25 leaves. Per block that's more, I guess, anecdotal which we, and we did see that in the Pinot Noir, it was pretty clear cut that we struggled to control Downy in the soft treatment more so than in the conventional treatment. [00:10:50] It was, it was pretty clear there. And then as far as the Botrytis and Sour Rot, so that's really where the MSU team came in with the, the Rufus Isaacs lab and Dr. Rufus Isaacs and his master's PhD candidate. They did a lot of work there and, and then also the Tim Miles lab , so basically what they did is they took 25 clusters of each treatment and they did an assessment , for of course, how many berries were infected by, by botrytis and sour rot. [00:11:25] And then they also took those clusters and they hatched them out to see how many Drosophila species were there. [00:11:33] Craig Macmillan: Oh, okay. Yeah, good. That's interesting. [00:11:36] Andrew Fles: Wing drosophila here in Michigan and so really it was just the two species of traditional vinegar fly, drosophila, and then spotted wing. They did, you know, the, the statistics on that. [00:11:50] Craig Macmillan: interesting. And this is, this is a multi year project, right? [00:11:54] Andrew Fles: This was just one year. [00:11:56] Craig Macmillan: Just one year, okay. [00:11:58] And when will you have final results? [00:12:01] Andrew Fles: I have some of those already. We're going to do like a more formal presentation at a spring meeting here, a grower meeting, that's kind of co sponsored between MSU Extension and a local non profit that promotes grape and wine production in the area. So yeah, we're going to make a presentation in April on on the results and, and kind of, we're just continuing to, coalesce and, you know, tie my spray program with wedding events and then the results that they got as well. [00:12:37] Craig Macmillan: What other kinds of outreach are you doing? You're doing the meeting and you're doing other things? [00:12:41] Andrew Fles: I haven't discussed this with with Rika Bhandari as the PhD student. I suspect that she would use this in some of her publishing, you know, whether it gets published, I don't know, it's part of her Her main focus is sour rot, so this will be included in some of her presentations. [00:13:03] But I don't know that for a fact. [00:13:06] Craig Macmillan: That's exciting to get some information that's local. It's locally based and get it out to the local community as well as the broader community. I think that's really important if you don't mind I would like to get into some of the nuts and bolts of these two programs because I found that to be very interesting And then as we go talk about How that panned out for the different pests and diseases that you saw in these trials Let's talk about the soft program first You've got a dormant oil app in May and I assume you mean that there would be like JMS stylet oil or something like that [00:13:41] Andrew Fles: I think it was called bio cover. [00:13:43] Craig Macmillan: Bio cover and that's a pretty standard practice in your area I would guess [00:13:48] Andrew Fles: It is, yeah. [00:13:49] Craig Macmillan: and then the following month in June You, uh, have copper in the mix. In both the traditional and in the soft chemistry. I'm guessing that's also a common practice in your area. Probably for downy and for powdery. [00:14:06] Andrew Fles: Yeah, the copper is is something that we've been leaning towards and getting away from some of the synthetics. Which stick better to plant surfaces, we've been migrating that way anyway, these last numerous years now and so, yeah, , there are some similarities between the two programs at times it's really those key times of pre bloom and post bloom and variation that that we've traditionally. [00:14:34] Really locked in on some of the synthetic chemistries here [00:14:37] Craig Macmillan: And then also in June you have a Serenade Opti, which would be a Subtilis based material. And I believe that's also in your conventional in July. That's pretty standard practice, and that's an OMRI certified product, I believe. [00:14:52] Andrew Fles: Yes, yeah. [00:14:53] Craig Macmillan: There's some overlap there. It looks like the Rose Chaffer comes out around this time. [00:14:59] Andrew Fles: Yeah, probably it's not in front of me, but probably mid june [00:15:04] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, that's what you have here. In the traditional you've got a, a neonic, a sale. And then in the program, there's kind of a question mark here. What did you end up using in the, in the soft program for a roast chaffer? [00:15:19] Andrew Fles: Let me find it here [00:15:21] So we used neemix 4. 5 [00:15:26] Craig Macmillan: Nemix. I'm not familiar with that. Is that a Nemo based product? [00:15:28] Andrew Fles: Yeah, it's a neem oil [00:15:30] Craig Macmillan: And then in the traditional you have a neonic, a sail. Did you see a difference in Rose Chapter damage between the two? Because this is a pretty big difference here. [00:15:39] Andrew Fles: a pretty big difference in terms of [00:15:42] Craig Macmillan: Well, the modes of action obviously are very different. [00:15:45] Andrew Fles: Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, we had a little higher a little higher prevalence of rose chafers in mostly in the Pinot Noir treatments. Not so much in the Riesling, and I think that's largely because of black location. Traditionally the Pinot Noir block is our worst, one of our worst blocks in terms of rose chaffer rose chaffers are these beetles. [00:16:09] Of course, they're very similar to Japanese beetles for those listeners that, that may know that, but they really thrive in sandy soil, which is what we specialize here in northern Michigan, sandy based soil, right? [00:16:22] , and especially in un mowed fields. Right? We've really been trying to manage , our headland spaces like a prairie even more so upon joining SIP and, and learning more about making a comprehensive farm plan of, Of all of the land, right? And so we've really managed our, headlands and open fields like prairies which means minimal mowing, [00:16:47] like once a year is what we, we just mow to keep the autumn olive out. And and so we're trying to promote, you know, bird life and, and. All forms of life in these fields, which includes and sometimes an increase in rose chafers. [00:17:03] However, this 2024 was, was a. Fairly low pressure year. [00:17:09] And so I was very comfortable with, with sticking with this the soft insecticide. And we didn't feel like, you know, even though we saw this, this increase in pressure in the soft treatment, it wasn't surpassing the economic damage threshold that we are really keen. [00:17:27] And right. IPM [00:17:29] Craig Macmillan: So, true IPM. [00:17:31] Andrew Fles: IPM is very important, here, you know, where we have all these insects and it rains a lot and, you know, you got to really. Be ready to to, to scout and then react. [00:17:41] Craig Macmillan: Exactly. Yeah. And knowing what your economic injury limit is, I think it's huge. And your action threshold based on that. Tell me a little bit about the Spinosad based products. You have a couple in the soft that I assume are meant to be insecticides. [00:17:55] Andrew Fles: Yeah. The delegate. Yup. [00:17:56] Craig Macmillan: Yeah, Delegator and Trust. [00:17:59] Andrew Fles: I'll talk a little bit about intrepid as well. That's probably a foreign thing for any, any West coast listener, but that's intrepid is a it's a molting regulator and it's essentially for, in this case, for grapes, it's for grape berry moth. And this is an insect that is very difficult to do IPM on because there's a, there's kind of a morph that lives in northern Michigan that doesn't Go for the traps and so you can put traps out and it you just have no idea what's going on Because they just don't really care for the pheromones so they're really almost impossible to trap and I've talked numerous time with dr Rufus Isaacs about this and how do we you know get a handle on populations and you know They just can't get their traps to work up here. [00:18:50] We target with the intrepid, it's a, again, it's a molting regulator, so it just prevents them from developing, and it's very specific it's not a broad spectrum, so that goes on as a preventative where we have blocks near the woods, [00:19:05] because we see great berry moth coming in from wild, wild vines [00:19:10] that may or may not be in the woods, but we Where we see larva hatching is, is just kind of a perimeter. [00:19:16] So what we'll actually do is a perimeter spray. We don't even spray the whole block. We'll spray the outside row or two or three of each end. And then we just kind of blast it in. Along the, the other, you know, along the posts, the end posts. And that seems to work fairly well. [00:19:34] Craig Macmillan: Huh. [00:19:35] Andrew Fles: And then, as far as Delegate goes and Entrust those are Spinoza based products like you mentioned. [00:19:42] Those are primarily, you'll see that we put them on, well, I don't know if you can see timing, but we put them on. in September. Yeah, at the end of the season. September. [00:19:53] Yeah. Yeah. So, so those go on right around or right before even version and that is for drosophila [00:20:01] I think there's been some research recently from Cornell and then also Brock University in Canada. And I know also that Tim and Rufus have been doing trials here in Michigan as well. between the three of us out here in the, in the Northeast we're very focused on sour rot. [00:20:19] And so Michigan State along with these other folks have done these trials where they found that including an insecticide at veraison or, and then also at about 15 bricks significantly reduces sour rot infections. And that's because you're going after one of the vectors. [00:20:39] Craig Macmillan: Interesting. There's another material that I wasn't familiar with. I did a little bit of research on it. That's a product called Jet Ag, which is a hydrogen peroxide, a peracetic acid material. You have that in both the soft chemistry and your quote unquote conventional section. Is that a material you've used for a long time? [00:20:57] Andrew Fles: Yeah, we, I forget when exactly it started coming around I think probably 2015, 16 is when it was maybe released or made its way to northern Michigan and kind of coincided with with some sour rot. Issues that we have had off and on over the years with Pinot Noir or Vignole. And it's a, you know, it's a strong hydrogen peroxide. [00:21:23] It's a heavy oxidizer. It goes in and it, it, it cleans everything up. You know, it disinfects. And there's, there's some thinking as well that it, it'll kill the yeast. And some of those yeasts, the aroma is very attractive to spotted wing drosophila and regular drosophila. And so if you're, if you're kind of this is probably something that, that people, you know, that rely on native ferments might not want to hear, but you know, it really, it really disinfects the fruit which, which is key for You know, controlling sour rot. [00:21:59] And so we've used that over the years as both a preventative and a curative treatment. [00:22:05] Craig Macmillan: Right. [00:22:06] Andrew Fles: I didn't actually end up using it this year because It essentially stopped raining it was almost west coast ian here in the fall. It stopped raining in August and it didn't rain again. [00:22:19] You know, I mean, aside from like just a, you know, very, very light mist that wouldn't even penetrate the soil deeper than a centimeter. You know, so we didn't get any appreciable rain. From, I think it was maybe August 5 or 10, all the way till November 31st, or sorry, October 31st. [00:22:39] Craig Macmillan: Actually, that raises a good question. So, what is the summer precipitation like, quote unquote, in a normal year or an average year? [00:22:48] Andrew Fles: Yeah, we've been having, [00:22:49] Craig Macmillan: is it? [00:22:52] Andrew Fles: it's so variable is the, you know, we keep coming back to that. Every season is different here and it's so true even in Northern Michigan we have seen climate change affecting our summer rainfalls. So, whereas, you know, traditionally, and I say traditionally as maybe like the 80s and 90s maybe even early 2000s, you would expect to see, you know, a good four to eight inches a month. [00:23:20] you know, less, less so in, you know, in July and August is walking that more like four inch. Four inches of precipitation and you can get that sometimes in two different days [00:23:33] Craig Macmillan: Wow. [00:23:34] Andrew Fles: And that could be all or it could be spread out, you know over over several 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 different events. we had a dry June a couple years ago, I think we, I think it rained two days and amount to much. [00:23:50] And 2023, all of May we had, it rained one day. It was very dry. And so it's really been a roller coaster here in terms of what to expect as far as precipitation comes, I mean during the growing season anyway. [00:24:08] Craig Macmillan: Mm hmm. [00:24:09] Andrew Fles: It's been a challenge to know, you kind of have to have all these tools ready, right? [00:24:13] You have to have your jet ag ready. [00:24:15] If you get a bunch of infections going you got to have some of these other products ready and just , be ready for anything essentially. [00:24:24] Craig Macmillan: That, I'm just kind of reeling, I'm from California, and so like four to eight inches of rain during the growing season, it sounds like a fungal disease disaster to me. I'm impressed that you can get a crop, a vinifera crop to, to harvest with those kind of conditions. [00:24:39] Let's talk about the sustainable conventional program a little bit. Again copper appears early which would make sense. Then the insecticide portion would be a sale. It's a neonicotinoid, and then you've got a couple of fungicides in here. [00:24:55] You've got sulfur, and you've got a boscalid. Then in July again you've got a subtilis, that's serenadopty, and the, the intrepid, the IGR. August, you've got another neonic rally, and then you've got a product called ranman, or ranman. Which is a Sazofenamide, again, traditional fungicide. And then Inspire Supert, verasion, very common. And then you've got the the JetAg and Delegate, which is an antispinosid based product. When I look at this, I see a lot of very safe, very smart, very rotated fungicide chemistries here. Was this the kind of program you were using previously? [00:25:34] Andrew Fles: Yeah. And you know, it always can change a little bit. Sometimes you can't get a certain product or you can't get it in time. [00:25:42] Uh, whereas, you know, you, you're planning to use X product for your, for your kind of like You know, your, your pea sized berry spray, let's say but you, all of a sudden you have a bunch of rainfall, you know, and, and so if I was planning to use Quintech, which only covers powdery all of a sudden I have this big wedding event that was just perfect for growing downy mildew I I might switch from Quintech to and vice versa, you know, if we're, if we're into some weather, that's really favorable, it's time to push more of those serenades and you know, we've used some of the other biologicals over the years as well and, and just trying, trying to go that way as much as possible, but, you know, sometimes the weather forces your hand, like, like it did this year, you'll see in my, In my program we went into some Randman and some [00:26:35] Zampro, and those are those are very specific to to downy mildew. [00:26:41] You know, but we're still, with those products, you know, they're more expensive than something like Kaptan, you know. We Can't spray that with sip and we didn't spray it before because we don't want it on our fingers [00:26:56] The vineyard you and I don't want it in our lives So so we're always trying to go the ran man route, even though it's a little pricier, but it's very Target specific for Downey and so, you know with all the rains that we had in June and July and early July we felt like the smart play and we did start seeing some downy mildew cropping up much earlier than normal. [00:27:21] If, if we see it at all, that is. in that, at that point you want to make the call, you know, Hey, I want to get out in front of this thing. I don't want downy on my fruit. You know, if you start seeing it on growing tips, I think it was the 4th of July or the 2nd of July or something we were scouting and we were getting a lot of rain at that point and it was very humid and it was just like rain every other day for about a week there and it's like you gotta pivot and, and make the move to something that's really going to provide. control there. [00:27:52] For the soft program at that point, we were trying to use, I believe we use serenade, you know, which is more broad spectrum as far as biologicals go. We knew we wanted to keep it going after the, , the Downey with the soft chemistry. And that's why we got into the orange oil as well. [00:28:10] Craig Macmillan: Oh, interesting. [00:28:11] Andrew Fles: to, Yeah, that's, that wasn't in the proposal that I sent you, but we did pivot. I couldn't get. The cinerate it was, I was told it was on the West coast, growers were hoarding it and none of it, none of it made it over this way. I was really hoping to get my hands on some of it. [00:28:28] I've already pre ordered my 2025 cinerate. [00:28:32] Craig Macmillan: And Cinerate is a cinnamon oil based product, right? [00:28:36] Andrew Fles: Correct. Yeah. Cinnamon oil. oil. Yeah, it's another oil. [00:28:39] Yeah. Yeah. It's another one of those kind of antimicrobial oils, if you will. Um, So we pivoted to, to orange oil and thyme oil. TimeGuard has been, is a product that's been out for a number of years now. We've used it before, , we haven't really relied on it as much in the past. As, as we did with this soft treatment. [00:28:59] Craig Macmillan: Tell me a little bit more about what the outcomes have been at this point. We talked about the the pinot noir a little bit. We talked about the Rose Shafter showing up there a little bit more. At, at the end of the day, the end of the season. How did you feel about it? How did you feel about comparing the two [00:29:15] Andrew Fles: you know, it felt, it felt really good. It seemed like the soft program kept pace with the conventional for the most part. In the Pinot Noir, we had we had some more rose chaffer damage, of course, but without doing a, a full on research trial, it's hard to say that it was the treatment alone because of, as I mentioned, the location was a big factor. [00:29:38] With the downy mildew, it seemed to be a little more prevalent, certainly in the Pinot Noir on the, on the soft program that is but it never got to the point and I was, I was always ready to go in with whatever I needed to, because we don't want to have a defoliation and not being able to ripen fruit, you know, the fruit and, and especially in such a great growing year. [00:30:01] we never really resorted to. You know, breaking the glass and, and grabbing the ax and running out there and like, and it was emergency, you know, we never, we never had to do that. There was a moment there in July where, you know, where would the downy pressure we thought maybe. [00:30:19] Maybe we would have to abandon it, but then things dried up and we kept after things with with some of these, these things like thyme oil and orange oil. Getting good coverage with them is so important. But getting those on at the right time really seemed to provide enough control. [00:30:37] Craig Macmillan: Actually that's a, that's an excellent point. Let's talk about the phenology a little bit. How, for the varieties that you're growing, how big are these canopies getting? What's the spacing that they're planted on? How many gallons per acre are you using in your spray applications to get good coverage? [00:30:54] Andrew Fles: Yeah, so for the purpose of the project I stuck with 50 gallons an acre throughout the season. Which even, even for the conventional portion, traditionally I'll, I'll start with 30 gallons an acre aside from the dormant spray, of course, but like, you know, early season sprays until the canopy becomes a little denser, , I'll be at 30 gallons an acre and then probably mid July post bloom, right around bloom, perhaps , we'll ramp up the conventional to 50 gallons as well. [00:31:26] For the purposes of this, we just did 50 gallons across the board, both treatments. a lot of the canopy is well, it's really all VSP except for the vignole. Vignole is high wire cordone. And then we're talking nine by five spacing. The vinifera as well, which is pretty common around here. Double geo some spur pruning. We've really developed a kind of a hybrid system where we do a little bit of, we kind of mix cane and spur , , and alternate those in, in some of our venefera programs. [00:31:57] Craig Macmillan: And in, on the same plant? [00:31:59] Andrew Fles: Yeah. Sometimes. [00:32:01] Yeah. [00:32:01] Craig Macmillan: one side, gator the other. [00:32:03] Andrew Fles: What that does for us you know, where we get. Or we can at least, you know, and we can, sometimes we can lose a whole cane , or a lot of buds. I don't want to get too in the weeds on, on what that system is, but, but it's really developed around being able to quickly replace and adapt to cold damage. [00:32:24] And so if we need to go in and cut a trunk out, we've already got a cane growing from down low, if that makes any sense. [00:32:31] Craig Macmillan: No, that does make sense. And it's a practice that I'm familiar with from other areas in the Midwest, the North, the Northeast. Very, very smart. But that's a very different canopy architecture than you might find someplace that's all VSP. Or, you know, a double canopy situation maybe like in New York. [00:32:48] How comfortable are you now? After going through this, it sounds like you liked the softer program, you feel you got good control on most things. But if I'm understanding you correctly, you're not afraid to keep some other, other tools in the toolbox, basically. [00:33:05] Andrew Fles: Right. Yeah. And I think a big purpose of this program was to investigate some of these products. I want to highlight Problad Verde as well. [00:33:14] That's. Another one that's been out there and we've used it before as well. You know, I did a trial with Tim Miles's lab on and Rufus doing a sour rot trial in Pinot Noir in the past with pro, and it was just kind of a end of the season application of Problad with I believe we use delegate or in trust. [00:33:34] I can't remember. One of them and, this project, the SARE project was really looking at problad as being more of the backbone , of it. And, and so we ended up using that for the soft treatment pre bloom, post bloom. And then again, at version, because it has similar to jet egg, it's kind of a disinfectant, right? [00:33:57] It's this lupine seed extract that, that is a. That is a disinfectant and so it's going to go in, but because it, it's advertised anyway as having some systemic activity, [00:34:09] Craig Macmillan: Mm [00:34:10] Andrew Fles: systemic properties, that's, that's key for us in the east here. Because, hey, if we get a half inch of rain, well, it's still kind of in the leaf or it's still in some of that green flower tissue. [00:34:24] Before it opens up and blooms and so, really working problad in as instead of a kind of just end of the season toy it's really became, became the backbone of the tritus control for us in this, in this trial. And then again, looking at some of these oils, I think there's a lot of promise for. the orange oil in particular, I've, I've been seeing more and more research coming out about how you know, it does work on Downy and we did see that you know, even though we had an increase in Downy infection man, it could have been a lot worse. It was still at an acceptable level. [00:35:02] And so I think, I think I'm going to feel more and more comfortable using those products. [00:35:07] Craig Macmillan: You've demonstrated to yourself. And that's what the, that's how it works, and that's what everybody needs, to have some confidence. Which I think is really great, I was very impressed by the idea of trying things that maybe are not widely used, were not widely tested outside of maybe the West Coast, and to be able to show efficacy on your property, I think is really important. [00:35:27] I think it's one thing many of us have learned about softer materials. They may or may not work depending on what your pressure is. And that can vary region to region, but it can also vary within a region. It definitely can vary year to year, so having that flexibility that you've built into this program is very admirable. What would you say are the big picture benefits of the soft pesticide program at this point? [00:35:48] Andrew Fles: Hopefully just to increase awareness of, of how they can be effective for folks here in Michigan or, or similar climates, New York and Canada, I should say I don't think , this SARE project alone is, is going to be any sort of groundbreaking news, but I think it's just another verification and if we start to have more and more of them people will believe more and more in these products because it's just, it's at that point, it's word of mouth, right? [00:36:21] It's more and more growers are starting to back it. And, or experiment with it at least and, and see results, I think a lot of growers are very word of mouth oriented anyway. [00:36:34] So, uh, so it's very important, like, Oh, Hey, what did you try last year? And I think there's plenty of that going on in our area. [00:36:42] A bunch of us anyway, we seem to network pretty well and, and trust each other. , Oh, I use this at this key time and it really proved effective. So I think just bringing more and more awareness to these soft programs or these soft products, I should say. , and I can't really speak to the sustainability of. Farming lupin seed for for a fungicide product, you know, I can't, speak to that, but I want to believe that it's, it's a more sustainable product than, you know something that was made in a factory and, and might have petrochemicals in it. [00:37:19] Craig Macmillan: Well, it might have resistance issues as well, I think is one of the key things. And by the way, both programs I thought were very intelligent. I think like in terms of the frack rotations in the sustainable one, I thought that was really well done. Is, is there one thing that you would tell growers? [00:37:35] What's the one takeaway you would tell people from this project? You just kind of touched on one, but is there a message here for people? [00:37:43] Andrew Fles: I think the message is, you know, that we have to be really careful in crafting our. Spray program to the season that we have. If we were getting A lot more rain in September than what we ended up having I mean, we were, we were in pretty severe drought here. I think the soft program could still work. [00:38:03] But you have to choose the product and probably apply it much more frequently. You know, you have to go in and respond to those rains. , or even maybe perhaps be ready to pivot to something that is synthetic and systemic and curative. You know, maybe you have to go in with a hammer, but that doesn't mean that, you know, the majority of this growing season can't be done in a very soft way. [00:38:30] And so we're really just responding to that weather. But I think if this is our focus , to use these softer chemistries on things that we're going to drink or eat, even if it's vegetables, I think that these products are becoming better and better and there's becoming more and more of them, which is really encouraging to see you know, 10 years ago, maybe we had serenade and And you know, a couple of other products, but now, now there's, they're really becoming prevalent. [00:38:58] And so I think the take home is, is crafting that spray program with these new found tools that we have. Problads, , your crop, , your what, what should I call them? Like your aromatic oils, lack of better term, like orange oil, thyme oil, cinnamon oil. You know, I think these things do have a place. [00:39:17] Craig Macmillan: Where can people find out more about you? [00:39:19] Andrew Fles: Well, they can visit ShadyLaneCellers. com and there's stuff in there about our farm and in what we do and where we are, who we are a little bit. And then also there will be, and I could get you this information if you're interested, so this spring meeting where we're going to present the results of this believe we'll have a Zoom link option. [00:39:43] Craig Macmillan: As a reference date, this is being recorded in February of 2025. And so spring meeting will be coming up in a few months from here. I'm not sure when this will air, but even anything is fantastic. So I really want to thank you for being on the episode. Our guest today was Andy Fless, he's Vineyard Manager at Shadyland Cellars and you've been a great guest. Hey, thanks for being on the podcast. [00:40:03] Andrew Fles: My pleasure, Craig. Thanks a lot for having me. [00:40:08] Beth Vukmanic: Thank you for listening. 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It's all about Michigan wine this week on Behind the Mitten, and we are awash in the great grape harvest of 2024. Our first guest is in charge of one of the Midwest's biggest, and arguably most exciting, food festival. The 17th Annual Grand Rapids International Wine, Beer & Food Festival kicks off November 21 through the 23rd. It's a full on extravaganza of food and food related events and presenations at DeVos Place throughout the weekend. Dawn Baker from Show Span joins us and shares all the new things that you'll find this year, including The Vineyard where you can sample over 1000 wines. Beer City Station with over twenty different brewies pouring their liquids, and the Barrel Room where you can try liquors and cocktails. There are mulitple food and drink pairing options, and culinary demonstrations throughout. This is really a fun festival, it is really huge, and it really shouldn't be missed. Then we catch up with Fenn Valley Vice President Brian Lesperance, who shares a little bit about the excellent grape harvest that Michigan experienced this fall. All that lovely sunny weather that we had put our wines on the road to greatness this year, and Fenn Valley is ready. Look for new releases happening throughout the year, and the next few years as they age to perfection. Sip 'n Shop is happening on December 14 2024, where you can, wander the aisles of artisan crafts while enjoying a glass or two. Right after the holiday season look forward to the chili-cook-off at the vineyard which will feature four cook-off categories: Four Legs (beef and pork), Two Legs (Fowl), Vegetarian (non-meat), and Exotic (Seafood or wild game, including venison). Registration will open for the cook-off on December 1st, 2024.Then the ladies stop by from Shady Lane Cellars. Maddie McCandless, assistant winemaker and Kasey Wierzba, Executive Winemaker and General Manager also share a harvest report from the vineyard, which is located in Suttons Bay. Kasey has been at the vineyard since 2013, and brings years of experience in California to the vineyard. Maddie graduated from Purdue in 2019, got a degree in enology in 2021 and worked at Ram's Gate Winery before finding her home in Northern Michigan. These women are smart, knowledgeable and super fun.Follow John and Amy:Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/behindthemittenTwitter at @BehindTheMittenInstagram at @BehindTheMitten

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Yes, I have incorporated all the keywords into the show notes. Here is the updated version with all the keywords included:---**Show Notes: MMT50 - 212**Hey there, Pavement aficionados! jD is back with another episode of our Top 50 Countdown on the *Meeting Malkmus* podcast, exploring the essential tracks by the seminal indie rock band, **Pavement**. This week, we're diving into track number 12 on the countdown.Joining jD is Pavement superfan **Tim from Portland**, and trust us, you don't want to miss this one. It's a rollercoaster ride through **'90s indie rock** nostalgia, **Pavement concert stories**, and a heartfelt plea to support live music.---**Episode Highlights:****[0:00] Introduction and Tim's Pavement Origin Story**- **Discovering Pavement through the College Music Journal:** - Tim shares how he first stumbled upon Pavement in the summer of '94 through the *College Music Journal*, a pivotal moment in his journey into **'90s indie rock**. - *"Yeah, I ran down to Tower Records in San Diego and got the CD along with a few other ones... been cranking it ever since."*- **First Impressions of 'Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain':** - His immediate obsession after purchasing Pavement's seminal album, *Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain*. - *"Right out of the gate, this album was different, and I applauded that."***[1:57] Early Live Shows and Military Gear Coincidence**- **First Pavement Concert Experience in the San Diego Music Scene:** - Tim talks about seeing Pavement live for the first time in January '96 at Montezuma Hall, San Diego State University—a highlight in his **Pavement concert memories**. - **Silkworm as the Opening Act:**  - The concert featured **Silkworm** as the opening act, adding to the night's **indie music nostalgia**. - *"We decided to dress up... everyone put on some sort of military garb."*- **Serendipitous Moment with the Band:** - The hilarious coincidence of the band also wearing military attire, showcasing the quirky connection between Pavement and their fans. - *"We all looked at them and then at each other and just started laughing."***[4:13] Following the Band and Memorable Performances**- **Photographing Pavement at Bimbo's 365 Club:** - Tim recalls capturing the band during a show at **Bimbo's 365 Club in San Francisco**, adding to his collection of **Pavement fan experiences**. - *"I have some great shots from there... there was definitely, you know, kind of a whole San Francisco vibe going on."*- **Tibetan Freedom Concert Adventure [7:11]:** - Get the lowdown on Tim's experience at the massive **Tibetan Freedom Concert** in San Francisco, featuring a lineup that included **Sonic Youth** and cemented **Pavement's influence on indie rock**. - *"There were, I think, like a hundred thousand people there... It was a total bottleneck of a festival."***[9:05] Unforgettable Gigs and Onstage Antics**- **Mark Ibold's Onstage Incident:** - Hear about bassist **Mark Ibold's** mysterious onstage moment in Pomona, one of the more intriguing **Pavement concert stories**. - *"He couldn't play; he couldn't finish a song... the show ended shortly after that."*- **Bob Nastanovich's Live Performances:** - Discussing **Bob Nastanovich's** energetic contributions during live shows, highlighting the band's dynamic stage presence.**[11:01] Accidental HBO Appearance**- **HBO Reverb Special Featuring Pavement:** - Learn how Tim unknowingly became part of the **HBO Reverb Pavement** special during a gig at Cane's in San Diego, a unique highlight in his **Pavement concert memories**. - *"We didn't even know that was happening... Spiral was like, 'Oh, they're doing some fucking HBO show.' He didn't seem happy about it."***[12:20] Deep Dive into Track #12**- **Why Track #12 Matters in Pavement's Discography:** - Tim breaks down why this song is in his personal top five, offering insightful **Pavement song analysis**. - *"This song, you know, it's awesome. It's got rockets; it goes."*- **Personal Connection and Indie Music Nostalgia:** - How the song's themes resonate with Tim's own travels and experiences across California, enhancing his **indie music nostalgia**. - *"I know all the places it talks about... Hearing this the first times, we were just like, 'Who are these guys? What are they doing singing about our places?'"*- **The Quintessential Pavement Vibe:** - Discussing how Pavement's songs often mean everything and nothing all at once, reflecting their unique place in **alternative rock**. - *"It has kind of a theme but is totally non sequitur at the same time—it's right up my alley. It's cool."***[18:49] The Pavement Ethos and Live Music Today**- **Stephen Malkmus and the Band's Stance on Fame:** - Reflect on **Pavement's** unique approach to art over commercial success, and how **Stephen Malkmus** embodies this ethos. - *"They lean more art rather than commercialized... They always look painfully uncomfortable."*- **Memorable 2010 Reunion and 2022 LA Show:** - Tim and jD reminisce about the **Pavement 2010 reunion tour** and their first meeting at the epic **Pavement 2022 LA show**, standout events in the **Pavement fan community**. - *"Everybody that was there really wanted to be there... It just checked all the boxes for me."***[29:11] Support Live Music: An Impassioned Plea**- **Get Out and Go to Local Music Venues:** - Tim urges listeners to support live music by attending shows at local venues and supporting **local music venues in Portland** and beyond. - **Quote:** *"Go out, spend some money, and support the arts. When you go to a concert—even if you only stay for four songs—it has a positive impact on your body and your soul."*- **Local Venue Shoutouts in the Portland Music Scene:** - Tim mentions his favorite spots in the **Portland music scene**: Turn Turn Turn, the Kenton Club, and the Fixin' To, encouraging listeners to experience the thriving local music scene.---**Join the Conversation:**- **Twitter:** [@meetingmalkmus](https://twitter.com/meetingmalkmus)- **Facebook Group:** [facebook.com/groups/meetingmalkmus](https://facebook.com/groups/meetingmalkmus)- **Website:** [jd.meetingmalkmus.com](http://jd.meetingmalkmus.com)---**Extra Nuggets:**- **Exclusive Live Recording:** - Tim shares a rare live version of a song from Pavement's Toronto show. It's raw, it's real, and it's right here on the *Meeting Malkmus* podcast.- **Fun Fact:** - Did you know jD used an abacus and a goat with an extra leg to tabulate your Top 20 ballots in the **Pavement Top 50 Countdown**? Don't ask.- **Akin to a Pavement Band Interview:** - This episode feels like an intimate **Pavement band interview**, offering deep insights into the band's history and impact on **indie music**.- **Indie Music Podcast Community:** - As part of the broader **indie music podcast** scene, *Meeting Malkmus* continues to bring you in-depth discussions and interviews with **Pavement superfans** and insiders.---So grab your headphones, crank up the volume, and let's get amped together on this **indie rock** journey through Pavement's legacy.---Transcript: [0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50: That's right, song number 13 on the countdown is "Shady Lane," J vs. S. Ralph from Lincolnshire, what is your initial thought about this song?"Well, it's an amazing song. It's an amazing song. I mean, I think it might be—maybe I'm putting it third on my ranking of 'Brighten the Corners.' And I would almost say, you know, 'Brighten the Corners' is my favorite Pavement, so it is super up there. It's brilliant.""Hey, this is Westy from the rock and roll band Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown."[0:39] "Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for seminal indie rock band Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own top 20 ballots. I tabulated the results using an abacus and a goat with an extra leg—don't ask. How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in to find out, so there's that."This week, we're joined by Pavement superfan Tim from Portland. Tim, how's it going, motherfucker?""Hey, hey, hey, it's going, motherfucker. It's going great.""That was very Canadian of me, motherfucker. Let's get right to it; let's not mess around here, let's not dilly-dally. Talk to me about your Pavement origin story.""Who? I discovered them through—I believe through College Music Journal, which was a publication back in the '90s. It was kind of—""I don't think so.""Okay. It was like a half-sized magazine, so I think it was an evolution from zines. I don't know. Anyways, I read a record review of 'Crooked Rain.'"[1:57] "And that's when I was introduced to them. So this was, you know, '94—summer of '94 probably—because I had just left uni and got a house with friends. And yeah, I ran down to Tower Records in San Diego and got the CD along with a few other ones. I would get this College Music Journal and read reviews and go buy albums; that was kind of my thing. So yeah, went down and got 'Crooked Rain' and have been cranking it ever since.""Yeah. So what was it like the first time you spun it?""Oh man, I loved it. You know, I had just graduated from uni; I was an art and business major of all things, and I was into everything that wasn't normal—trying, anyways. And that's what Pavement was for me, you know? Right out of the gate, this album was different, and I applauded the—I don't know, there's this sense of, like Beavis and Butthead said, trying and not trying, and I love that about this. I recently heard Jack Black say—somebody asked him what kind of bands he's into, and he's like, 'I only want to listen to bands'—this is an old interview—but he said, 'I only want to listen to bands who kick ass, who fucking take names.' And I was like, oof, I wonder if Jack Black's a Pavement fan because they do—they do, but they don't. But I love that about them."[3:40] "That, to me, oozed alternative. So yeah. But I didn't see them play live for, oh, a year and a half later. I was just this morning looking up shows I went to.""Oh, really?""Yeah. About half the shows I went to were before 2000 and half after. So the first time I saw them was in San Diego in '96 in January, and that was really fun. Just a quick story on that one."[4:13] "I went with a gang of friends, and they were playing at San Diego State University at this place called Montezuma Hall. I would say it holds like, I don't know, 500 people or something—not big. We were all pre-partying and talking about what we were going to wear; we decided to dress up. So everybody put on some sort of military garb—fatigues, whether pants or shirts or hats or what have you—which kind of looked like normal cool kid wear at the time. Then we go to the show, and Pavement walked out on stage, and they were in full military gear. Steve West had a safari hat with mosquito mesh draped over his shoulders, and he had his raccoon eyes—you know, paint around his eyes—and everybody was wearing military stuff, all the guys in the band.""Did you guys catch wind of that beforehand?""No, it was totally coincidental. We all looked at each other because we knew they were dressed up—they went out of their way—and we all looked at them and then at each other and just started laughing. It was a comical moment, and that was such a good show. JD, kind of like our LA show in May of '22, that first show in January of '96 was fucking awesome. They went nuts. After their encore, Malkmus said something to the effect of—they came back out and he was like, 'San Diego, huh? San Diego's alright. You guys think San Diego's okay? Yeah, San Diego's alright.' And then he said something like, 'Let's fucking fuzz out San Diego.' And then they just went into their last three songs.""Wow.""And just destroyed them. They were so, so good. I kind of followed them a little bit after that. I saw them in San Francisco weeks later; it was so fun for me, I had to get more.""Were they playing 'Brighten' stuff at this point? Because 'Brighten' was going to come out next year. Was it pretty much all 'Wowee'?""You know, I had a couple setlists pulled up. I have to go back and look. I'm not sure.""And my other question is, that San Diego show—was it opened by Silkworm?""Yeah, that was the one. They came out with, I don't know, '30s or '40s-looking sailor suits.""What the hell?""Like Navy sailor suits.""I guess San Diego, huh?""They looked cute. At the time, we had an amazing army surplus store downtown, and I just figured these guys went and hit it up."[7:11] "That's awesome.""None of them seemed sober that night. They were going for it. I saw them play in San Francisco after that and actually photographed that show at Bimbo's 365. I have some great shots from there.""Is that a good venue?""Yeah, it was cool. A cool bar-club, smallish—you know, medium-small size. There was definitely a whole San Francisco vibe going on. I brought some friends to that one from San Diego as well; instant fans. Then the Tibetan Freedom Concert in San Francisco the next summer.""You saw that?""Yeah.""That was kind of typical, you know, festival-type Pavement show.""Sure.""Quick and dirty. We were way in the back."[8:11] "Lots of people?""Oh, hordes. I think there were like a hundred thousand people there or something.""Holy shit.""It was giant. We were kind of there for the whole experience—you know, Beastie Boys.""So they did a show in New York City and one in San Francisco?""Yeah, June of '96.""How have we never talked about this before? I don't think we've ever talked about you going to Tibetan Freedom.""Yeah, it was amazing. I drove my truck and had like four people in the back of the camper shell. We just piled in, and it literally took us like five hours to drive two miles to get out of the city. It was a total bottleneck of a festival. That was one of my first festivals where I thought, 'You know, might not really need to go to festivals,' but I continued."[9:05] "The next time I saw them was the following year at this club called Soma in San Diego. That was a great show—small to medium-sized again. They didn't play in San Diego a whole heck of a lot. Then I saw them at the Glass House in Pomona, which is out in the desert east of LA. Ibold, at one point during the show, just kind of lost it—like his brain left his body.""Or he had a serious gear malfunction?""Because he couldn't play, and the show kind of ended.""Yeah, he couldn't play, he couldn't finish a song—he just couldn't do it. The show ended shortly after that. I remember everybody on stage going, 'What's the deal? What's going on?' Malkmus or Ibold had some sort of breakdown or meltdown. Something happened. Stuff started kicking, I don't know.""A couple of years later, at Cane's in San Diego—Cane's was a bar where they filmed the HBO Reverb special.""Oh, really?""Yeah, I went to that. We didn't even know that was happening. We just thought we were going to a Pavement gig.""Right.""Walked in—and I have so many stories about seeing these guys—walked in and Spiral was standing right there, just hanging out by himself. I said to him, 'What's going on tonight? What's up with all the cameras?' And he's like, 'Oh, they're doing some fucking HBO show.' He didn't seem happy about it, and that was kind of the vibe of the whole gig that night—they were punching the card, you know.""They're sort of shy that way, right?""Yeah. I think—I don't know, man."[11:01] "They're a different band, right? They lean more art rather than commercialized.""Yeah.""And I think when you produce something that way, you obviously don't care if you're making Billboard Top 100. So if someone approaches you and they're like, 'Hey, I'm Mike Jones from HBO Reverb. We'd love to film you guys; you're hot right now,' what's your reaction if you're Pavement? You're like, 'Fuck. Okay, here's another drill we got to do and get over with,' you know?""Yeah.""They always look painfully uncomfortable. Like that Jay Leno performance and even the one on—was it Conan when they did the 2010 reunion? Or maybe it was Jimmy Fallon, I'm not sure.""All I remember is the Leno one.""Yeah, that one's so awkward.""It's so good though.""That personifies them, you know.""They were a little more experienced by '99. By then they'd been playing a bit. Then I saw them at the Hollywood Bowl for the 2010 show with Sonic Youth."[12:20] "Amazing lineup.""Yeah. Both of those shows, in my opinion, were like, get it done. The highlight of all of it—I was hoping at one point either Malkmus coming out and playing with Sonic Youth or Thurston coming out and playing with Pavement.""Didn't happen though.""It seemed like such an opportunity.""Yeah. I was thinking, this might not happen ever again. These guys have to get on stage and play together.""Yes.""And they didn't. The highlight was at the Hollywood Bowl—there's this half wall around the orchestra pit, like out in the crowd, that separates the orchestra pit from box seats, which is kind of where we were. Bob paraded that catwalk—that half wall. He went back and forth—you probably could guess what song he was screaming a chorus to—but he was like, 'I'm trying' all the way across that thing. It's probably like 50 or 60 paces across; it's like a half-circle.""Oh, wow.""It was so fucking cool. Then at the end, even Malkmus was like, 'We're out of here. We're going to the Speedy Ortiz show,' or some shit like that. It was just lights out, you know."[13:41] "Damn.""But then it was a long, long time until I saw them at the Fonda with you, my friend.""Yeah.""That was our first meeting.""Yeah. My hair was too long for you.""Oh my gosh. I'm so glad you canceled your dreads appointment for the next day.""Yes. Well, I was going to ask you to just pour some Coke in my hair and roll them, but we didn't know each other that way.""Denny's at 3 a.m., or whenever we were there.""That's right. That was such a good show. That was so amazing. I know you've mentioned it, but man, that was such a good show. It just checked all the boxes for me. There was so much excitement, so much buzz in the air in that venue. Everybody that was there really wanted to be there. It felt like there weren't sort of pretentious Hollywood people just showing up because it's Pavement, you know.""Yeah. Well, except—maybe you caught a glimpse of this—except the short girl that got in the fight with the other gal there. We saw a chick fight at a Pavement gig in 2022. It was kind of weird. It was kind of awesome. I doubt either of those gals—or maybe one of them, maybe the taller one—is listening, but man, one of them got sent down, like down to the floor from our platform. That was amazing. When I saw that happen, I was like, 'Fuck yes.'"[15:25] "Because it just gave me reassurance that the vibe of Pavement—being all of these different things in indie alternative music, whatever—is still alive. To have something like that at a show. Way better than the 2010 reunion. That holds a special place in my heart because it was my first time seeing them. It was in Central Park; it was really cool. But seeing them with you that night was definitely the best show I've ever seen.""Yeah.""Yeah. Maybe of all the shows I've ever seen, not just Pavement—it was very good.""Yeah.""So anyways, we saw them in '22 a bunch, and I think I counted—from what I could remember—like 12 times I've seen them. So half before 2010, half after.""That's pretty cool.""Yeah. They've always been, you know, sure, superfan status. But more as time goes by, they're kind of a classic for me. If I want to put on something, I usually reach for an album—actual vinyl instead.""Which one is the one you go to? Do you have them all on vinyl?"[16:55] "No, I don't think so.""Okay."[17:00] "I go to 'Crooked Rain.'""Oh, okay.""That's the one I was first introduced to.""Yeah.""You know, it checks the boxes for me. It's got a big start. It's got a great song number three.""Yeah. We love your number three.""I know. It's got a great midway point. It's got an instrumental—'5 + 4 = Unity,' or '5 - 4 = Unity.' And it's got a lot of staple items that make Pavement Pavement that you can pick out from the beginning to the end of their recordings. It has a little bit of 'Wowee' in it to me. It's a really good mix of who they are.""Yeah, if there was a Pavement Bingo card, you would definitely get a line.""Yeah.""Maybe even a full box.""Yeah, 'Hit the Plane Down'—you couldn't get more punky than that for Pavement.""Yeah.""You know, it's got a hit, 'Cut Your Hair.'""Yeah.""It's got it all. 'Silence Kid.' When I first put this on, from song one, it became my go-to for when I kicked off things like road trips or moved into a new house. Anytime I've begun something monumental in my life, I would put this album on. It's such a good start. I clearly remember when I moved to LA, set up my stereo, and I put this album on.""Oh yeah.""It just gets me in a really fun, good mood. Creative, too.""Yeah, I like that with 'Pot Hot.'"[18:49] "It makes me fun and creative.""Me too. Well, what do you say we take a quick break and then come back and reveal track number 12? We are almost in the top 10, my friend.""All right.""We'll be right back."[19:04] "Hey, this is Bob Nastanovich from Pavement. Thanks for listening. And now, on with the countdown.""Twelve."[21:46] "All right. Track number 12 on the countdown. I couldn't imagine a better person to do this song, having spent some time in SoCal. It's 'Unfair'—the South taking what the North delivers.""That's right.""Were you delivering to the North?""I mean, when I sucked and kissed, it's sour.""This song, you know, it's awesome. On the album, it could be a song three for me. It's got rockets; it goes. That's amazing. I'm so glad it's number 12. That's in the top 20, so it definitely should be. It's really high up there for me; it's probably in my top five.""Oh, wow.""So yeah, I'm happy. I've already answered my 'Is it properly ranked' question.""Oh yeah, big time.""I love this one. I mean, it really personifies Pavement—being from Stockton, Sacto area, all of that. This song is about the supposed battle between the North and South of California. I know all the places it talks about. I've been to Shasta many times. We had family living for many years in the Tahoe area; we know all these places. And I guess the jury's still out on where that North-South boundary line really is, because I think this song—"[23:27] "Malkmus likely wrote this song. I think he's just not having the South. He's really dissing it. There's a total vibe here of him just dissing the South.""So it's amazing.""Well, we've seen in his later life him moving to Portland, your hometown. He didn't move to LA. He didn't pack up and move to LA or Nashville, I suppose, would be the other big music place. But yeah, he went to Portland and went with that indie vibe rather than that corporate vibe. So I wonder if he gets that feeling or something.""Yeah, I don't know. It's good—you know, I went back, I was searching through some of those gigs I went to, and I believe it was the San Francisco show I saw in '96 that they closed with 'Unfair.' I'll have to go back and look at this.""Oh, wow.""Such a good song for a closer, leaving on high energy."[24:35] "And just when you think you've maxed out energy-wise, you get to that chorus—a sort of chorus."[24:47] "You know, 'the foothills of our mind,' and when he's just screaming, it goes into a second gear or a third gear and really picks up steam. It's so good.""Yeah, I used to put this on mixtapes.""Oh, you did? That's cool.""Yeah, like road trip mixtapes. It feels really road-trippy to me because he's name-checking all that geography.""Yeah, yeah. That last question in the song, 'To the last psychedelic band'—are they talking about themselves? Is that giving themselves kudos? I don't know. I would love to find that out. But yeah, this song really hits home for me. I drove California so many times; I know all these places. Hearing this the first times—even talking about Shasta early on in the song, verse two—I mean, at the time, my roommate was from Redding, which is adjacent to Mount Shasta. So we were just like, 'Who are these guys? What are they doing singing about our places?' Where are they from? Stockton, which is hilarious because he's like, in the song—"[26:16] "He says, 'This ain't no Bakersfield' or whatever the line is.""Yeah.""And Bakersfield really is not that much different from Stockton.""Oh, no?""They're both armpit cities.""Oh, really?""Just armpit cities, yeah.""Like industrial or something?""Yeah, like farm—ag cities. They're just kind of wastelands.""Oh, wow.""But yeah, I dig this song, dude. It's something you can sing along to and scream along to. It's not a quiet song.""Great to drive to.""Yeah. I'm so glad it's number 12. I would rather have heard it was in the top 10, but I'll take it as number 12. That way, it's still more special for me because it didn't make it to the top 10.""Yeah.""And it would have been my drift. That's kind of like the Pavement thing—like, you don't know us, but you might know us, you know?""Oh, you're a Pavement fan. Okay. Yeah, you seem like that. I've heard people say that before.""But great, you film hack. I don't need your fade. There are so many good lines in here. There's a theme, but it's kind of all over, which is what I love about these guys. Also, one thing that really vibed with me in the mid-early '90s with these guys is the lyrics not meaning shit a lot of the time, because everything we were listening to around then—there was so much cheese, bro, in rock and indie and alternative. So much music that I just had a hard time being a fan of. I'm not a big singer-songwriter guy. I like quite a bit, but it's not my favorite genre. So to get somebody putting a song together like this—it has kind of a theme but is totally non sequitur at the same time—it's right up my alley. It's cool."[28:27] "That is very cool. Well, thanks so much for coming out today and doing this. This has been great.""Yeah, JD. It's been great. Thanks for doing what you do because there's no one like you who could put this together. So we're all grateful.""Buddy, thanks so much.""Yeah, thank you."[28:48] "That's—I don't know what else to say. That's pretty fucking cool of you to say. Thanks.""From Portland.""And now I'm going to go back into game show host mode. Tim from Portland, do you have anything you would like to plug?"[29:11] "Yeah, I just want to tell everybody out there to get off your ass and go to a gig. Go to a show. Go to your local bar that has a stage. Go to your venue that holds less than 250 people.""Nice.""And support the arts, you know? When you go to these places—here in Portland, Oregon, I have three great places within three or four miles: Turn Turn Turn, the Kenton Club, which is just down the hill from me, and the Fixin' To in St. John's. These are all amazing places to experience live music. If you go in and you pay $10, you don't buy a drink—that $10 is generally going to the band.""Fucking right.""If you don't buy a drink or some food, the bar isn't making any money. Go out, spend some money, and support the arts. This is supporting the arts, and it's such an awesome thing to do. When you go to a concert—even if you hear a gig and only stay for four songs—it has a positive impact on your body and your soul. We walk away with heightened endorphins, and it feels good. You ever leave a show where you're just like, 'God damn, that was amazing. I feel so good. I wish I could do that all over again.' That's the chase, and that's supporting the arts. Everybody's got to keep getting out and doing that. I'm not talking about the mega stadium shows or the big festivals—if you can afford to go to that enormous dome, go for it. I'm talking about hitting up your local spots, your local venues. And if you don't have any, then find the amazing ones and do a road trip. Just get out and go to some shows. That's my plug."[30:50] "That's nice. I like from where you came. So there's that. Hey, it's JD here, checking in from the present. That's right—it's October the 4th today. That episode with Tim and I was recorded way back in February—the Ides of February, in fact. So, you know, as I'm editing this episode—and hey, listen, I don't do a whole lot of editing; I want this to be sort of authentic and real and, you know, all the rest of that shit. So, listening back, Tim's impassioned plea for live music made me think of some of the gigs that we've been to. Tim and I were talking; he's like, 'Hey, remember the Toronto show where they played "Unfair"?' And I was like, 'Fuck yeah, do I?' And he's like, 'I have a file.' And I was like, 'Ooh, send it my way, motherfucker.' Here it is. This is 'Unfair,' live from Toronto, on 'Meeting Malkmus,' a Pavement podcast."[34:47] "All right, man. Thanks, buddy. Well, thanks again. That's what I got for you. Wash your goddamn hands."[34:53] "Thanks for listening to 'Meeting Malkmus,' a Pavement podcast, where we count down the top 50 Pavement tracks as selected by you. If you've got questions or concerns, please shoot me an email: jd.meetingmalkmus at gmail.com."Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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This week jD is joined by Kyra from the cornfields of Western Illinois to discuss both her Pavement origin story as well as her perspective on track 19. Transcript:Track 2:[0:00] Previously on the Pavement Top 50. Blackout. So what do you think, Jessica, from Ann Arbor? I think it is a very solid Pavement song. Yeah. Like, I think it belongs in the top 20 to 30. Okay. Because, I don't know, it hits all the right Pavement beats. Hey, this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band Pavement.Track 3:[0:27] And you're listening to The Countdown. Hey, it's J.D. here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for Seminal Indie Rock Band, Pavement. Week over week, we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks that you selected with your very own Top 20 ballots. I then tabulated the results using an abacus, six taquitos, and a bottle of bismal. How will your favorite songs fare in the rankings? Rankings you'll need to tune in to find out so there's that this week i'm joined by pavement superfan kyra from the cornfields of western illinois illinois illinois how the fuck is it going my friend it's uh pretty fucking great thank you for asking all right well um let's let's not beat around the bush let's get right into this let's talk about your pavement origin story.Track 3:[1:27] Okay um i got into pavement in the early 90s um i um graduated high school in 1994 so that was the year oh cool all right so um so you know um yeah i was 18 years old i was getting ready to graduate high school and um i'd been hearing about pavement you know and like spin and stuff magazine spin magazine and stuff like that and it sounded cool but here in the middle of fucking nowhere cornfield um they just didn't have everything you know or um you know just things were slower to get here maybe yeah stuff like that um but it's a it's a small town western illinois i lived in a town of 800 people 801 people and um i'm right now i'm in the college town that's not far from there which is a town of like 20 000 i think okay western illinois University and that's where I live now and that's where I kind of grew up around here and ended up back here but so anyway I was a teenage kid and I was into Nirvana and Pearl Jam Soundgarden all that all that stuff Alice in Chains but I was also getting into cool stuff I had a really cool curiosity I think you know I was into uh Dinosaur Jr. I was getting into Sonic Youth and uh.Track 3:[2:43] Sugar, The Replacements, REM, Morphine, just stuff like that. I think I was getting into alternative type music. And I was also really getting into Bob Dylan around that time. Oh, wow. That's pretty diverse.Track 3:[3:00] So Pavement kind of clicked with me. I got that CD called No Alternative. It was a compilation. It had a bunch of cool bands. It had a new Nirvana song on it. I think that's why I wanted to get it, because it had a cool Nirvana. A new hidden track on it or something like that um but the pavement song was really cool it was unseen power of the picket fence which is that weird rem kind of tribute not one of their best tunes but it's fun and it's cool and it introduced me to their how goofy and uh quirky and there's there's their sound and stuff like that right right so and i thought that's cool i like that filed it away maybe, hip-pocketed it. But then I got off work. I worked at the Hardee's here in town, the fast food restaurant. I got off work, went home, and I turned on my little black-and-white TV I had in my room and watched the end of the Jay Leno show. And he had pavement as his guests on his show, and I just, they played Cut Your Hair. Yeah. And it was, I just thought, I fell in love right there. I was like, this is the coolest thing I've ever heard.Track 3:[4:17] And... And you're not wrong. Yeah, right? And it was around that time where Kurt Cobain died, too. And I was a big Nirvana fan. And shit was just really serious and heavy and kind of depressing. I was listening to a lot of Pearl Jam and Nirvana and Soundgarden and Alice in Chains. And everybody was a junkie and everybody was depressed. And pavement was a cool thing to come across around that time when I was an 18-year-old impressionable youth. because it wasn't really like that. It was fun, but it still felt very urgent, I felt. Their music felt vital and urgent and had a lot of depth and meaning for an 18-year-old kid, I think. Yeah. So it was a good breather from that serious stuff I've been listening to, and I was just instantly in love with that. And my friend, I think I went to school a couple days later, and my friend's like, hey, I bought that pavement tape that you told me about on Jay Leno or whatever. And he loaned it to me, and it was Crooked Ring, Crooked Ring. And of course, that's the greatest album ever made. So that was a pretty big one to get and get into. And I fell in love with that instantly, all those great songs. Songs, you know, Gold Sound, Silent Kid, Fillmore Jive, Ranged Life.Track 3:[5:47] Every song on that one's a banger, right? It's a masterpiece. Yeah, so I got into that. I was like, well, I got to go get more of this. So I came over here to the record store. We used to have four record stores in this town. Now we have zero. Oh, shit.Track 3:[6:02] Sucks but um anyway there's uh i came over here and bought the i saw another pavement cd and it was uh watery domestic chicken on the cover and that that's also the greatest thing ever made the greatest ep ever made i guess the greatest album ever no argument from me right and this was all within like maybe a few weeks a week or a week of each other and i just loved that i thought that was the best best thing i'd ever heard um and yeah i was just in love with paper after that And I was like, this is my band. You found your band. Yeah. And I eventually, over the next few months, started getting the other stuff. I got that Westing, which I don't know if you can see it back there, my little Steve Keen of the Westing cover. A friend gave me that. She bought it down from him in Oklahoma. But anyway, that's a great, that's a cool collection of tunes. And I was like, introduced me to their early stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. But I really like what they were doing currently more, you know, yeah, they're crooked rain stuff and you know And then I started just buying everything I could get from pavement and then I heard slanted enchanted I'm like, holy shit. This is also the greatest album ever made. So Yeah, yeah all that stuff. And then wowie zowie came out like maybe a year later, you know It wasn't very long and that one was pretty amazing too little little more of a head fuck than the other ones which is I.Track 3:[7:27] Awesome you know and i just a big fan ever since um did you convert people as well i tried you had like so that you had some sort of echo chamber to be talking about this or were you isolated with your fandom um well that's a good question because my friends some of my friends kind of dug when i dug pavement and when i played it for them but i don't think they were they clicked with it like i I did, where they were totally in love with it, but they enjoyed that album, Crooked Rain and Crooked Rain. I think I might have played them something off Debris Slide or something like that. I don't know about this one, but I remember that. I actually joined the Navy right after I graduated high school and found out in the Navy that nobody liked pavement or heard of pavement.Track 3:[8:18] I hardly met anybody. buddy um but i was traveling a lot and i would go to different towns to different record stores and find the find different pavement things so that was kind of fun and i would try to turn people onto it and it didn't really click very much i converted a few people though over the years i guess i had a roommate have people to talk to about it right yeah i had a roommate who was a drummer and i played him uh watery domestic i think and he was just blown away by the drumming I think that's Gary Young, right? Doing the crazy drumming on that one. Yeah, the drumming on that was Texas Never Whispers is so cool. And he was pretty blown away by that. He's like, this drumming is so different and not your typical drumming, I guess. So I converted a few people here and there over the years. Did you ever manage to see them live?Track 3:[9:08] I did, yeah, finally, two years ago. Oh, cool. I saw them at the Chicago Theater. Yeah, good venue? They were so good. It's a classic venue, but it's not my preferred type of venue to see them in, but it was a beautiful place, and I was seeing the greatest band ever there. They sounded really good. They sounded so good on that. Yeah, they were great. So um i saw that i saw um steven malchemist and the jicks also when they first went on tour in like 2001 and that was a really cool show yeah yeah um bob was driving the rv and uh selling t-shirts really it just seemed really like a cool little tour um i think steven's um malchemist's girlfriend was in the band kind of for a while there um and she was kind of like doing background own vocals and stuff like that so it was kind of a fun gig um yeah i saw him on the pig lib tour.Track 3:[10:13] Uh but i didn't make it out i don't i wonder where he would have played here for pig lib he played at a bar called lee's palace which is like just a great venue to you know just yeah he's into and i like those be with your people right i would rather do that than be at the show the Chicago theater but um this was at the metro where I saw in Chicago which is a it's kind of the cool venue in Chicago where all the cool bands play but um and I'm from small town it's three hours to Chicago for me a three or four hour drive um and you know it's scary in Chicago because it's hard to drive and traffic and stuff like that but that's why I didn't go to a lot of shows when I was a kid.Track 3:[10:56] Just because I'm a hillbilly and uh I um didn't make it to see them when I when I would have loved to have seen them when they were at Lollapalooza or playing small clubs and stuff like that, touring behind Slanton and Enchanted. But no, I just kind of didn't get the chance to actually see them. I remember actually my now ex-wife bought me tickets to see them just on a whim. I told her I wanted to go see them in New York when they first reunited, like the reunion in 2010. 2010, I guess it would have been. Yeah, and she actually bought tickets, but we ended up going to Jamaica and getting married instead around the same time, so I had to cancel that. I mean, that's kind of a bust.Track 3:[11:45] So I kind of missed the opportunity there, I guess. But yeah, I've just been a huge fan ever since. I always felt like all of their album releases were like an event. And I remember hanging out like when I was stationed in Texas, hanging out with some friends when Bright in the Corners came out.Track 3:[12:08] Playing it for them, and they actually really liked some of the songs on it. I remember, like, Stereo and Shady Lane and stuff like that. I thought that stuff could have been a hit. I was like, this stuff's going to be a hit, guys. And they're like, yeah, sure. And, of course, I'm always wrong. I was always wrong about that. I'm actually a radio person. I used to run the alternative rock station here in town when they had one, and I was always a champion of pavement.Track 3:[12:32] I do have a funny story, I guess, kind of funny. So I worked for the radio station here in town. there's like this local group of six radio stations yeah um and i was the um i ran the alternative station i was the music director and the dj there and then uh also was like the classic morning classic rock morning show person and um also the news kind of a news person too i just kind of did a lot of things jack of all trades or whatever but um our little station group got bought out by this uh corporate butthole hedge fund dude came down and bought the stations and then fired all the people basically but um they kind of kept me around for a couple months and i learned how to they talked told me i had to do the news so i was the news director and i had to make news stories and stuff like that which not much of a journalist but i was doing i was trying but um eventually they had they were going to fire me too and they did and i knew they were going to fire me so i did not go out without a fight and i um made this news story about how oh, the new owner was a butthole and all this stuff. But, you know, I still had like two something minutes left on my newscast.Track 3:[13:40] So I play, I'm like, oh, and here's pavement, gold sounds. And then I put gold sounds in there. And then I broadcast that out the rest of the day. They fired me across the whole area on all six of their stations. And so that went out and I exposed people to pavement and made my little...Track 3:[14:03] Snide remarks about the the butthole uh guy who bought the stations and fired everybody and, it was uh it was a good feeling you played gold sounds yeah yeah i just i just thought that was a good it was it was a good length i think it's it's it might be my favorite of their songs i i don't know what i don't have i don't think i have a favorite but i have many but um yeah that Very nostalgic. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's just got that feel. Yeah, just something wistful about it, I guess.Track 3:[14:37] But, yeah, that was... Do you have a go-to record at this point? Like, do you have one that you'll put on, you know, when you're feeling pavement-y? Or does it depend on a specific mood? It's definitely a mood thing. It seems like Wowie Zowie is always getting played around here a lot for some reason. Um because that one's that one's big it's like the white album kind of you know favorite albums so it's a big long one with uh different moods and stuff like that and i kind of it's kind of how i am a moody person so i like the roller coaster ride of that one and i like the kind of woozy sound of a lot of the songs on that one i think it's just this beautiful sounding record and.Track 3:[15:20] Um, it's got songs I don't like on it, even like a couple that kind of, I find a little more jarring, but, uh, it's still the one I've been listening to the most, I guess. But I, um, the first three, I think are, you know, the greatest albums ever made. And, um, I like the other ones also. So I have those ones on vinyl. I don't have the last two albums on vinyl and I play a lot of vinyl. So I guess that's why I, um, but my kids are into it too. That's kind of cool. They've, uh, tick tock was the harness your hopes thing. I heard my kids listening to it and I was like, Whoa, that's so cool. And they, uh, they would like, I had a t-shirt and didn't fit me anymore. So they would, they would fight over the t-shirt. They had a couple of daughters.Track 3:[16:10] Yeah. Right. But they, uh, they did. I tried to get them a little deeper into it, but they, they know harness your hopes. Which is cool and uh i was like why what does this mean my daughter said it's for a fit check i'm like what the heck is a fit check it's like an outfit showing off your outfit yeah i didn't know that it's been around yeah yeah so that's it's over my head too i'm 50 years old yeah, so i think that's pretty cool and then i've they've gotten into it it's cool seeing younger kids get into it i see it every once in a while i see somebody who's considerably younger than to myself almost in my kids age and getting into Pavement I'm like that's good it means it's I was right this whole time you know about this great band justice.Track 3:[16:55] Exactly well Kyra what do you say we flip the record and get into track number 19.Track 3:[17:08] Okay alright we'll do that right after this.Track 3:[19:46] This week, we're going deep on Box Elder. How are you feeling about song number 19, Kyra, from the COWI? I fucking love Box Elder so much. It's a great song. It's one of the earlier Pavement songs. I think it's a very early Pavement song. Say it's, you know, song number one. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which is cool. And it's one that really holds up, I think, too. So I was saying, if you're just joining us, I got into Pavement in 1994 at Crook and Rain, and it was awesome. And then I got Watery Domestic, and then I think a few weeks later, I got the Westing collection of tunes. And yeah, I just remember that one, immediately liking that song.Track 3:[20:37] One thing I like about it is it's got a twee kind of twee element to it almost like a beat happening or something like that, like K Records Calvin Johnson kind of sound which I didn't really know much about then but when I hear it now and there's also something R.E.M. About that guitar riff on that I agree with you there Early R.E.M., for sure. Yeah, and I know that it was a big influence on them. And I'm a huge R.E.M. fan now. So there's that. And that song, I actually had to look this up, but it said that it's a true collaboration between the two, Stephen and Scott. Spiral, yeah. Yeah, they kind of just, it was his riff, I think, and then Malcolm Husky wrote the lyrics and sang over it. And they didn't really write songs like that before or after. It's kind of one of the only ones that was like really a collaboration like that, I guess. Very. I mean, I think they were all collaborations in one way or the other, but...Track 3:[21:42] Yeah, for sure. On that tune. I love the lyrics of the tune. I love the meaning of it. I'm from Vermont, Illinois. Vermont IL, population 801. And Box Elder MO is just, I'm going to head to Box Elder MO. It's just he's going to head to some hillbilly ass town in Missouri. It's kind of what that's what i got out of it anyway um but being from a small town and being somebody who's different i'm a transgender woman um i didn't know it then but it's something i've always felt and it's something i still feel and getting hearing that line i've got to get the fuck out of this town meant something back then and recently maybe in the last couple years that tune is really everyone's like man i really love this song because i love that line i've got to get get the fuck out of this town because i was living in this other small town nearby which is just very, bigotty town and i was ready to get the fuck out of there so i'm glad to be out of that town um had to get the fuck out of that town and come over here to yes box elder love that that it means box elder yeah it's got some deep deep meaning um i think and uh yeah i'm in a place where there's I was in the town, there's not a lot of pavement fans, you know?Track 3:[23:02] So get the fuck out of this town. So yeah, it's a cool song. I think their sound and their songwriting improved significantly after that. But as an early tune, I think it's definitely one of their best. And it's one that definitely means something to me, I think, for sure. Love that song. Love Box Elder. It's a good one. What do you think about where it landed on the countdown, number 19?Track 3:[23:33] That's actually perfect. Do you think it's a fair spot for it? Yeah. I guess, yeah. I think it's a perfect spot. I mean, considering they made so many other great songs and that they really improved on their sound after that, but also as an early tune and they're finding their sound, I think that was definitely one of the most important songs in there.Track 3:[23:56] In their canon of awesome tunes. Well, really, I mean, if you think back, this song was covered by Wedding Present and played by John Peel. And I wonder if John Peel hadn't got his hands or mine wrapped around pavement. Like, they are so huge in the UK. Yeah. And it just makes me wonder what, you know, what would have happened had they not had access to you know john peel it would have been very interesting but so that's how he got into them through wedding presents cover that's how uh my memory is so shit but i feel that sounds yeah okay yeah if i'm wrong send me an email jd meeting malcolmus at gmail.com new email address everybody well kyra it's been good talking to you today from uh western illinois and uh talking about box elder i enjoyed myself i hope you enjoyed yourself and um that's about what we have to say do you have anything you want to plug.Track 3:[25:04] Um no i mean i i host a i host a folk uh alternative country americana radio show on tri-states public radio every sunday night at seven o'clock if people are into that sort of stuff um but uh that's what i do but nothing to plug i'm just here to talk about pavement.Track 3:[25:25] Love it i love the show it's a it's great show keep up the good work oh thanks that means a lot for real that's what i gotta say this week and uh we'll be back next week with song number 18 we are in the thick of the top 20 my goodness wash your goddamn hands.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Tonya Johnston, Mental Skills Coach speaks with Lindsay Archer about her new non-profit group, Equestrian Foundation for Mental Health Awareness (EMHA). Licensed therapist & Equus coach, Kathy Rausin joins to talk about her involvement with EMHA. Hunter/jumper professional Carol Wright also joins to talk about her career and how she stays so consistent. Brought to you by Taylor, Harris Insurance Services.   Host: Tonya Johnston, Visit her Website, Facebook and buy her book Inside Your Ride Guest: Lindsay Archer grew up in Northern California on the farm where she and her husband Matt run their business, Shady Lane Farm. They started Shady Lane in 2003 and in 2015, they teamed up with Catherine Harvey of Rhys Farms. After struggling with her own mental health, Lindsay's experience in a group therapy session during the Cavalleria Toscana Clinic in early 2024 opened her eyes to an entirely different way to process what she was going through. From that experience, she vowed to find a way to bring group therapy to the equestrian community on the West Coast, so she started the Equestrian Foundation for Mental Health Awareness (EMHA). EMHA is a 501(c)(3) tax deductible, non-profit organization.Guest: Kathy Rausin is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist and Equus coach. Kathy offers individual coaching, leadership development and team building opportunities for both private and corporate clients. She has worked with mental health groups, veterans, families, corporate training groups, and more.Guest: Carol Wright started riding and showing Morgan horses at the age of two at her parent's breeding farm, Melodic Morgans. At age 10, she was Reserve Champion in the AHSA 3'6" Morgan Jr. Medal finals. By age 11, she won her first Junior Hunter Championship. Throughout her junior riding career, Carol competed in the hunters, equitation and jumpers. She made her first appearance in the Grand Prix ring at age 19. In 1991, she won her first World Cup Qualifier, a $50,000 class in Los Angeles. Carol has won numerous grand prix and hunter derbies- sometimes in the same week. She focuses on creating strong partnerships between horse and rider while keeping fun in the equation.Title Sponsor: Taylor, Harris Insurance ServicesSubscribe To: The Plaid Horse MagazineSponsors: American Stalls, Purina Animal Nutrition, World Equestrian Center, America Cryo, BoneKare, Show Strides Book Series, With Purpose: The Balmoral Standard, Good Boy, Eddie, HITS Horse Shows, Sentinel Horse Nutrition, Laurel Springs School, Great American Insurance Group and LAURACEA

Johnny Dollar was a fictional private investigator who appeared in a radio drama of the same name. The show ran for 12 years, from 1949 to 1961, and featured 809 episodes. In each episode, Johnny would be hired by an insurance company to investigate a suspicious claim. He would travel to the scene of the crime, interview witnesses, and follow every clue until he solved the case. Johnny was a complex character. He was intelligent and resourceful, but he was also cynical and world-weary. He had a deep love of fishing, and he often used his expense account to cover the cost of his fishing trips. The show was popular for its suspenseful plots, its well-developed characters, and its realistic portrayal of the world of insurance investigations. It is considered one of the classic radio dramas of all time. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dwight-allen0/support

In the latest recap episode, "Die Hard 4 Your Luv" opens to a Jeff recommendation at the Factory Theater, and Beave provides a shameless plug. Triumph's "Allied Forces" completely hijacks Len's latest selections from his Favorite 500 Albums of All Time. NOTHING BUT JAMS! Len reviews "The Naughty Lady of Shady Lane" by The Ames Brothers, and it rules. We also talk MLB, NBA Finals, and the Chicago Sky's up-and-down season start. Tune in for EXPERTISE!

Johnny Dollar was a fictional private investigator who appeared in a radio drama of the same name. The show ran for 12 years, from 1949 to 1961, and featured 809 episodes. In each episode, Johnny would be hired by an insurance company to investigate a suspicious claim. He would travel to the scene of the crime, interview witnesses, and follow every clue until he solved the case. Johnny was a complex character. He was intelligent and resourceful, but he was also cynical and world-weary. He had a deep love of fishing, and he often used his expense account to cover the cost of his fishing trips. The show was popular for its suspenseful plots, its well-developed characters, and its realistic portrayal of the world of insurance investigations. It is considered one of the classic radio dramas of all time. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dwight-allen0/support

Johnny Dollar was a fictional private investigator who appeared in a radio drama of the same name. The show ran for 12 years, from 1949 to 1961, and featured 809 episodes. In each episode, Johnny would be hired by an insurance company to investigate a suspicious claim. He would travel to the scene of the crime, interview witnesses, and follow every clue until he solved the case. Johnny was a complex character. He was intelligent and resourceful, but he was also cynical and world-weary. He had a deep love of fishing, and he often used his expense account to cover the cost of his fishing trips. The show was popular for its suspenseful plots, its well-developed characters, and its realistic portrayal of the world of insurance investigations. It is considered one of the classic radio dramas of all time. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dwight-allen0/support

Johnny Dollar was a fictional private investigator who appeared in a radio drama of the same name. The show ran for 12 years, from 1949 to 1961, and featured 809 episodes. In each episode, Johnny would be hired by an insurance company to investigate a suspicious claim. He would travel to the scene of the crime, interview witnesses, and follow every clue until he solved the case. Johnny was a complex character. He was intelligent and resourceful, but he was also cynical and world-weary. He had a deep love of fishing, and he often used his expense account to cover the cost of his fishing trips. The show was popular for its suspenseful plots, its well-developed characters, and its realistic portrayal of the world of insurance investigations. It is considered one of the classic radio dramas of all time. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dwight-allen0/support

Johnny Dollar was a fictional private investigator who appeared in a radio drama of the same name. The show ran for 12 years, from 1949 to 1961, and featured 809 episodes. In each episode, Johnny would be hired by an insurance company to investigate a suspicious claim. He would travel to the scene of the crime, interview witnesses, and follow every clue until he solved the case. Johnny was a complex character. He was intelligent and resourceful, but he was also cynical and world-weary. He had a deep love of fishing, and he often used his expense account to cover the cost of his fishing trips. The show was popular for its suspenseful plots, its well-developed characters, and its realistic portrayal of the world of insurance investigations. It is considered one of the classic radio dramas of all time. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dwight-allen0/support

This is so fucking cool. Bob Nastanovich joins me this week to talk about a whack of shit including song 33!!!!Transcript:1:00] Loretta Scars. Alex from Portland, how are you feeling about Loretta Scars?It's a great song. I've got all kinds of thoughts on it, but it's on Flannidand Enchanted, which is a great album. it's,Slanted and Enchanted is the least varied album in my opinion like,most of the songs on it are kind of of one vibe and this is definitely no exceptionI think it's a great vibe I enjoy it Hey this is Westy from the Rock and Roll Band.Track 3[1:40] Pavement and you're listening to The Countdown Hey it's It's JD here back foranother episode of our top 50 countdown for Seminole indie rock band Pavement.Week over week we're going to count down the 50 essential Pavement tracks thatyou selected with your very own top 20 ballads.I then tabulated the results using an abacus, a bicycle pump,lotion, and some biscuits for Kevin, my homemade from uni.How will your favorite songs fare in the rankings? Well, you'll need to tune in to find out.So there's that. This week we're joined bypavement superstar bob fucking nastanovichbob what is up nookay cool and you're aren't you a toronto personsure am yeah how are thingsthere bright blue sunny skies todayabout five degrees celsius so that'slike spring weather for us especially yeah that's niceyeah we've got I don'tmean to show you up Jamie but it's 63degrees Fahrenheit here with a light breeze and a bright sunshine oh man herein Paris Tennessee you know like a typical winter day here is kind of gray and44 but it's especially nice.Track 3[3:03] Today which is pretty awesome that sounds about rightthat sounds like good you know good walking weatherso yeah how are you doing all right with thisproject so far so good i'm likelike people are lining up to do it uh likei'm caught up through march uh i'vegot to do some interviews this week with people sobasically people seem to be like iwas like i don't know how people respond to a top 50 thatthey have to listen to every week but idon't know my numbers are good and um like goodfor me you know yeah they'll get into it yeah ithink so and like just a little bit of water cooler debate rightwhat's that bud just a littlebit of water cooler debate yeah exactly youknow like what if what are you fucking thinking greenlanders likegreenlander was 46 six andyou know people were really pleased thatit made the top 50 but then there's another cohort that are like that's crazyit should be at least in the top 30 you know or whatever so no that is so weirdi mean i don't um i do know people that love greenlander and i um ineffectively insisted.Track 3[4:18] On trying to getit played live in iceland and that would have been cool yeah and um he we soundchecked it and it sounded just fine for about 70 seconds and malchus was.Track 3[4:43] Like i don't want to do that one you know and then um with him you know his attitude was so.Track 3[4:53] Sterling in 2022 and 2023 that um you don't and he was willing to play so many,different songs because in the past like specifically in 2010 um i just thinkit's uh i mean i remember his attitude back then was sort of uh.Track 3[5:18] It's going back to a more juvenile style of songwriting for him, which is more direct,but I guess maybe it kind of reminded him of certain aspects of his life.I mean, especially the earlier stuff, pre-Steve West, seems to give him a certainamount of actual PTSD, which is a word I never use.Track 3[5:48] Self-reference um just because of umthe stress caused by gary likei sat next to him when we watched the screening of gary's documentary andum it he didnot i mean it's a great documentary have you seen iti did yeah it's a great documentary andi don't think they really could have done a better job and umi mean i would have been wildly pleasedwith it i know gary was um so coolthat he got to see it before he passed at least right ican't i can't believe he lived that long i mean noway you know i mean i mean forhim to make it to 70 um should give us all belief that we can do it too um buthe comes from really supremely great genes in terms of longevity his parentslived well into their 90s and uh for some reason despite.Track 3[6:49] Every possible attempt without actually attempting suicide he basically triedto shorten his life um man imean he was just what was it like when you first met him bob what was thatsituation exactly like every other time i methim um he uhi mean at first he was kind of suspicious of me because he i mean you know verybriefly he was suspicious of me because he thought that i was like a friendof malchmas's who could probably drum and was there to replace him so So for the first,until a day or two in, we practiced in his parents'house the first time we went on tour in 1990.And when I say practice, I think we only had 12 songs and we only played six or seven shows, I think.And when he realized that I couldn't play drums, he...He relaxed a little bit. I mean, I think he realized that I was there to,like, kind of carry gear and make things happen and drive and then...You do more than that, dude. You do. I mean, back then, I actually did verylittle. There's this je ne sais quoi that you bring.Well, yeah. I mean, I developed my role over the years.Track 3[8:09] It's hard for me to really accept my overall importance. But back then,there were some shows, you know, shows back then were 45 minutes or whatever.And there were some shows where if he was on, I really didn't have to do a thingbut sort of stand there. I mean, it was, it was strange.I mean, there was a few, there's like, there were times where I would actually be like, um,pretty embarrassed because people in the audience must've thought,you know, why does the, why does the guy who doesn't do anything have to stand on the stage?And um and then also after the first time we toured europe in 92 and it waswe played like maybe 28 shows in 31 days or something and we we finished inbelgium somewhere and remco,was doing our sound for the first time that far back he goes i didn't realize that He goes back.The very first night we met him was about five o'clock on the day that we openedfor My Buddy Valentine and Super Chunk at the Old Ritz in New York. What a lineup.Track 3[9:27] Yeah. And he, uh, we played for 25 minutes and we played seven songs and, but whatever.So we met Remco outside the old Ritz. Um, we were on a, um.Track 3[9:46] On a label called Big Cat, which was run by this rather scurrilous fellow namedAbbo, Stephen Abbott, who was in a band called UKDK.And as it turned out, he was actually kind of a thief, but he knew Remco becauseRemco had worked with the band Copshoot Cop.And so he kindof figured that this young Dutch kid should do sound for us because we neededa sound man because we would turn up in a lot of places and we'd be so disheveledand disorganized and unprofessional that local sound staffs would be like,who are these assholes?You know what i mean like back then in the 90s if you didn't sort of show up.Track 3[10:41] I mean if you showed up at least in the manner thatpavement did a lot of these people you know youwere really at the mercy ofpeople um whoyou know hypothetically wereinto sound garden started and if youdidn't sound like them then you couldfuck right off um and if you didn't bringthat some level of professionalism or panache um then you could really get theshaft because people would just be like really annoyed that they had to workwith you and that's and and that's really what it's like when you have to dependon the house unless you've got one of of those rare situations where they give a crap.Right. So from that point on, you guys were on the road with Remco.Yeah, pretty much.Ninety seven percent of the time, like in 2010, like those one off things inNorth America, we wouldn't fly them over.Bob Weston did set them sound for us a few times.Now we've got this guy named Aaron Mullen.Track 3[11:54] Who did a few shows this year. I mean, it's just if it makes no sense.Financially for Remco to come over for a short stint. I mean,obviously doing sound for pavements, not rocket science,but Remco was proved his effectiveness generally at festivals.Festivals um he's prettypassionate about making sure the bands he works forsound good because it's big timeego gratification for him um iflike if people go around and say you guys sounded really great you know youknow and so he's he's very competitive in that regard which worked in our favoryeah sure did you guys sounded great at the festival i went to the Primavera in Porto.That was a fantastic show.Yeah. I'm happy that I see Barcelona didn't sound very good.Um, cause Remco didn't come to the practices, um, had trouble getting his visa.So he was completely unprepared for Barcelona.He didn't really even have Rebecca turned up.Track 3[13:08] And then a lot of the stuff that I'd learned because she's in the band now,um, Which I hadn't done before, weren't even turned on in Barcelona.And then in Porto, I'm not sure if you're aware of it,but I showed up for sound check and the bright blue case that had all of mybits and bobs of percussion,some of which I'd had since the early 90s, got stolen.Are you fucking kidding me? No, I didn't know that. No, I had no gear.I had no gear. I didn't even have anything to mount.I didn't have a tambourine that you can hit, and I didn't have anything to mount it on.And I had no tambourine maracas, cowbells, whistles, all my tricks, and claves.And thank goodness that Rebecca...Track 3[14:16] Was in the band because at first rebecca was just going to kind of come out there,and do keyboard parts and either comeand go or just kind of sit there and she's areally good i mean she's a great drummer and she'sa really good percussionist um so i said no you'regonna do something on every song andthen we you know quickly find out found out that she cando background vocals on anything and that'sgreat she can scream and obviously andshe's also very joyful performer um and she was you know she's a good very goodpercussionist so thankfully i was able to use some of her stuff um that nightbut it was still was not my stuff i I mean, it was very,very, it would be like if.Track 3[15:11] Well, actually, I think it kind of, I mean, it would be like if,like, guitars got stolen from a guitar player.I mean, that actually, it happened to Dinosaur, I think maybe in Porto,Dinosaur Jr., all their guitars got lost and they were still in Italy when they played.Oh my god yeah so theyhad to play i think they bought guitars um youknow that's so whatever i meani'm happy that it was me because if ithad been like anybody elsethen they probably would have had a harder time i mean i was able to just youkept it cool i'll just wing it you know what what i mean like it was funny becausenobody you know people you kind of realize the level of.Track 3[16:07] How, uh, you know, the, the immense level, you know, of your bandmates,they're kind of focused on their own deal.Like they couldn't deal with that.My bad news. Um, only Rebecca could like only Rebecca could like,you know, I mean, she's great.She's great. she was really a neat addition likereally uh from the fondashow i mean i went to the fonda show that was justit was mind-blowing that was a that was my favoriteshow of the tour like that was the first i can see why i mean it was long ifyou're a big fan i mean we played tons of songs and it sounded fine and it wassmall and the atmosphere was good and i mean at least 90 90% of the people inthere were way into the band. Oh, yeah.So, I mean, it was kind of an ideal time to see Pavement because we were freshoff the shelf and in a mode where we kind of had to give everything a go.Yeah, it was tremendous to be a part of it and experience it.One thing I wanted to talk to you about was Rebecca Clay Cole and you know, her, um.Track 3[17:29] Her contributions, I suppose, to the overall pavement experience,like, um, is she sort of a permanent member at this point? Is she coming to South America?I mean, of course she's coming to South America, right?Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, that's it. And that's it. I mean, right now that's it. Sure. Sure.It's 2024. You guys have been on the road for two years, man.Yeah we haven't done anything those for a long time we haven't done anything since um cincinnati,and um it's going to kind of be interesting because one good thing about southamerica is we don't obviously haven't played there um a couple of the places we've never played and,and we've only played three shows down there ever so we can just you know basicallyplay we don't have to learn 70 pavements to relearn 70 payment songs you know not that,not that they're immensely challenging but at the same time.Track 3[18:35] You know i basically could make the four set lists nowand um you knowwe're you know it's not going to be you won'tbe hearing um greenlander no butuh you go with the uh you go with theessentials not the deep cuts yeah and i think we've got i think i'm in a listof 32 that i sent out to them about six six weeks ago oh that's good yeah soundsall right well if i come into any money i'll see you in uh i'll see you in southamerica but let us know yeah yeah let us know i But,you know, times are tough.Well, should we talk about track number, what is it? Track number 33 on thecountdown? Okay, that's pretty good.All right, let's do it. Yeah, that's pretty good.Hey, this is Bob Mustanovich from Pavement.Track 1[19:32] Thanks for listening, and now on with a countdown. 33!Track 3[23:28] Okay, that was Transport is Arranged from the fourth record released February11th, 1997, Bright in the Corners.It's the third track on the album, and it's the sixth song from Bright in theCorners that is on the countdown at this point.So Bright in the Corners is representing the bottom portion of this top 50 so far.Bob, what do you think about Transport is Arranged? Jamie.I just think that, first of all, it's cool to hear that Bright in the Cornersgot a lot of action, having a lot of love.It is a very listenable pavement record. I love it.And I think Transport is Arranged, when the record was made in Kernersville,North Carolina with Mitch Easter,was just kind of viewed and the feel around it was that, okay,that's another song that definitely should be on the record.Track 3[24:33] Um but isn't the kindof song that um it youknow maybe should be a single or something like that it was just it was justa song that was like really solid and good and then as the song got played overand over again on tour and over the years um i think it's become rather clear to me that,you know, aside from kind of the more bubblegum-y songs on the record like Stereo and Shady Lane,that it would have stood up as a truly special pavement song.And I just think that it's, for the most part, an outstanding example of,Of not only Stephen's songwriting ability and composing, but I just think it'san unusually good set of lyrics.I'm with you. When I think about like verse three, I swung my fiery sword,I vent my spleen at the Lord.He is abstract and bored, too much milk and honey.Well, I'll walk through the wilderness with nothing but a compass and a canteensetting the scenes. I mean, it just got this certain depth.Track 3[25:57] Of course, you know, I am the worst of my kind. I want to cremate the crush.It's funny, some people think that that's crutch, but it's I want to crematethe crush actually has a lot of personal importance to me because that's anexpression I used to use.Track 3[26:17] Really? Yeah, Cremate the Crush. I would actually say that that's a valid lyricalcontribution from my notebook that was usurped by Balchmus,which he was more than welcome to do that.That um cremate the crush was often used when one of your mates had um regardless of.Track 3[26:45] Gender orientation had fallen really really hard for somebody and it becameclear to yourself and everyone around that it wasn't going to work and it was a really bad idea.Track 3[26:58] And um so you had to pull your friend and that believe me that happens whetheryou're You know, no matter how old you are, you know, sometimes you just,um, I think we've all seen it in our lives.We've seen people that fall really hard for the wrong person and rather thanjust sit back and watch them go through a very vile, um, heartbreak,um, an effort needs to be made to cremate the crush.Um wow and that's the expression that i used um all right man like this is ridiculouslike because you see it all the time like yes obviously amongst my dude friends like dude man,you're really barking up the wrong tree there you knowwhat i mean not yeah whatever whatever series of reasons umbut really transport is arranged umas that song got played there's a a really unusually goodversion of it really good recording and filming from an italian show that wedid um it's on youtube um oh i'll have to look that up mouth miss had reallyreally short hair um it was this really strange festival that i believe wassomewhere in the vicinity of venice um.Track 3[28:18] And it was one of these festivals that you turn up to in the early afternoon,and the people are still, like, kind of making the stage, and you're sort of,like, in this state of disbelief that any concert's actually going to happen there today.And this was the vibe. We were just like, whoa.Oh, you know, because usually it's like, you know, the Heineken banners arealready up and like, you know, the kids are already listening to,you know, a band that sounds like Green Day and, you know, people are drinkingor you see the tent village.This festival, it looked like they'd gotten the days wrong, and it was goingto happen two or three days, but somehow they whipped it all together,and we played a very memorable version of Transport is Arranged.Track 3[29:13] And you know it pretty much became a staple of ourlive show from the bright in the corners tourforward um it's just has a good um mid-tempo vibe to it good lyrics good guitarlove the tone of his voice the tone of his voice is really like in a sweet spot,i agree i just say to me it's just like a great pavement song it's always really relaxing um,kind of in a grounded sort of way but like even more relaxing and like,yeah i mean some people you know at times think that pavement doesn't rock andthen when we actually do rock we're just like pretending to be hardcore or pretendingto be like jokey metal or or something like that.I actually feel like Transporter is arranged, if it's played with a proper punch,kind of is truly a rock and roll song.Oh, when you get to that, when you get past the solo and you guys all get intoit, it sounds so tight and it sounds.Track 3[30:23] Yeah, it sounds very tight and it sounds very rocky, you know,like rock and roll. It rocks.It's a great rock and song. it kind of stomps and but then it gets really mellowit just has really really good dynamic and yeah I can tell you like wheneverI put it on a set list we don't,We don't really start with it because it doesn't, you know, sometimes songswith like kind of a very mellow lead in, it's not such a good idea.But you can sort of stick it after anything kind of noisy.Track 3[31:00] And then, so then people can sort of like return to like sort of a serene vibe.And then after a certain period of time, it kicks back in again.So, um, I just love, um, I love that song and it's always a pleasure to see,to put it on a list and see it coming up.And, um, in fact, depending on who I'm talking to, if they've never heard Pavement before, um,and I sort of get a general idea that they like rock music, then it's a songthat I would almost play first.First um to sort of youknow give them a feel and then when i do play transportersrange they're like oh okay like yeah like 90s umcollege rock or something and uhyeah yeah which is fair special it'smore special than that but i i hear you you knowbut i'm talking about complete newbiles they umbecause if you play them something toocute or i mean obviouslyyou know i'm in the horse racing profession and there's a lot of people thatyou play father to a sister of thought and range life and other sort of countrytin songs because they you know would absolutely there's a lot of people i knowa lot of my friends um who know of pavement don't like pavement because.Track 3[32:26] It to them it sounds too harsh um youknow because a lot of people don't really have any punk rock backgroundright okay um they don't want to hear anythinglike unfair or serpentine pador they don't want to hear anything medium fire lo-fi like debris slide or forklifti mean like something like forklift just sounds like 13 year olds making a horribleracket um to them like they don't see the cool in that you know yeah um youknow of course There's...Track 3[33:01] I mean, I haven't listened to it on vinyl in a long time, but Forklift,you know, I remember it sounding kind of maniacal and frenzied in a very 1990ssort of way, which was kind of cool.But I can understand, but Transport Is Arranged kind of ticks all the boxes,like Grounded would sound like kind of like too much, like a stoner type thing to people.People um shady lane might sound kind oflike listless summer babes kindof repetitive and some people might think like ohyou guys wanted to be nirvana or somethingum which we certainlydid not um that didn'tlook like much fun to me and uh but yeah no i just i just love the song andi think that it's it should definitely not be a forgotten song transport isarranged i think it It should be sort of at the forefront of anybody makinga mixtape or a tape of 10 to 15 pavement songs.I like that. Yeah, it stands up. So then you would say on the countdown,it's underrated at 33, right?Yeah, and I would, I mean, for me, it would always be in my top five.Top five? Holy shit, Bob.Yeah, it would be in my top five.Track 3[34:26] Unquestionably top 10 But probably top 5 In fact people ask you know sometimes like,You know, one lazy question by anybody is like, what's your actual favorite pavement song?And, you know, when you say transport is arranged, you're not being entirely obvious.And then if they've only heard 10 pavement songs or 15 pavement songs or justthe hits, then you're kind of forcing them to listen to a great pavement songthat they may have not heard before.So it would unquestionably be in my top five um it's under four minutes i mean um,i really am very much of the you know when it comes to a band that's a rock band in sort of the,three minute form like pavement is i mean um you know my general belief.Track 3[35:23] Maybe it has to do with attention span or something like that but songs overfive minutes better bepretty awesome for you to justify them being thatlong agree um totally agree it's alittle pretentious brilliant right there's somany great bands who have made somany great songs and they just fall preyto loving their groove so hard thatthey do it one or two passes too manyand a song thatmight have had like you know major appeal whetherit be like sort from a venom sense or from a sweetnesssense is just um losesits effect if it'sgot too much length so um i thinkit weighs in under four minutes i think it's you know it's i think it's fourminutes are justified i don't think there's any wasted motion i think it's gotgood dynamics and again one of malcolm's best sets of lyrics um you know andi think you know obviously.Track 3[36:30] David and Stephen were both very good lyricists and, you know,David's a poet. He was celebrated for it.And I think that David, you know, was an influence on Stephen and sort of challengedhim from a lyric writing perspective and would get annoyed when Stephen wasbeing too lazy about lyrics.And I think very much in, you know, the Stevens sense,it's a unusually or just a very good set of lyrics from a lyricist who had atthat point very much found his way.You know, something that had been sort of a discardable aspect of the band,even to an extent through a lot of Slanted and Enchanted.And then, you know, I mean, some people think that his lyrics are just garbled nonsense.And to an extent, you know, by intent, they are, you know, fairly good.Track 3[37:44] Senseless but i mean you know i think of songs like um this song and from acompletely different era um lyrics like trigger cut um i just think that youknow he he's he does not get,the he gets the respect he deserves as a guitar player but perhaps not as alyricist i think you know transport his range has both yeah i'd agree totallyagree what is the whole pillars of eight thing. Do you have any insight on that?What's that? The pillars of eight. Do you have any insight on that?No, no, no, I don't really have anything of that.I think it probably has to do with, um, just, uh, you know, then you're falling into him.Um, and I think you've probably seen some of his scrawlings and notebooks and stuff like that.Um, you fall into him choosingexpressions and just simply sortof loving words and how they look andhow they sound coming out of his mouth and then sothen using uh you know sets of a set of words like pillars of eight and puttingin a place where it's going to fit you know obviously that you know eight rhymeswith a lot a lot of things and fit you know i'm saying so yeah yeah you know he's.Track 3[39:06] When you're in a situation where not only are you going to have to write lyrics but,you're going to also have them umanalyzed then i think that you force yourself to you know put a certain amountof time into that process and i think throughout the course of um his entire songwriting history.Track 3[39:38] I think, you know, perhaps it's a bit freeing since Pavement ended that thingsare a little bit less under the microscope.Track 3[39:47] But certainly in 1997, they, you know, were very much under the microscope.In fact, this album, I remember getting really slammed by a writer at a majormusic publication for the lyrics in Blue Hawaiian.Um, they were actually misconstrued as sexist in, um, this, um,particularly the line, the slap is a gift. Your cheeks have lost their luster.Um, Oh my God. I would have never put that together.I would have got there from that. You know, this slap is a gift.I mean when Imean then you know in some ways like um you could see how the journalist madethat point I suppose but I mean I yeah like you I never really thought alongthose lines because maybe if you know the person and you know that they're notlike a misogynist creep then,you don't even really think about them in that context but um perhaps um thatperson did and I just remember, you know, when you write songs,which I don't do, then you are just like any type of writer,you are susceptible to...Track 3[41:10] To criticism and then you know then of course you've you'vereached a certain mantle when your lyrics are being pickedapart and every pick of you in detail is being brought to the fore um and butthat's like also a compliment that people you know care that much about whatyou write that's um yeah but you know at the same time like you know some things that are almostlike unfathomable to a songwriter, um,come to the, you know, come, come to the floor when, when people go over them with a fine tooth comb.Um, but, uh, no, I've never really heard anybody moan about Brighton the Corners,um, lyrics and, you know, maybe it's because it is like in the thirties.Um, but I really don't think it should be a forgotten song.I think that in some ways it's as good as Late Period,and when I say Late Period, I would say albums four and five,as good as Pavement was in terms of sounding like Pavement.I mean, there isn't much of Terror Twilight,which can be described as sort of typically pavement,but there is on Bright in the Corners, and you definitely cannot describe asong like Stereo as typically pavement.Track 3[42:40] So, yeah, no, pleasure talking about one of my favorite pavement songs, Jamie.Me Bob it's been a pleasure talking to you period it always is anytime man I'mbasically just basking in the glorious winter sunlight here in Paris that'sspectacular yeah with my unmade bed,And, um, I don't even know what I'm going to do.I actually have to go grocery shopping, but yeah, a pleasure,pleasure to talk to you and good luck with all of your endeavors.And, uh, let me know if you need anything more from me.Awesome. Thanks so much. Always, you know, uh, shall I remind you again that,um, Steve West would probably be, you know, gladly help, um, help you out.Oh, I'll ask him. Yeah.He'll definitely do it. Cool. I can also hook you up with Rebecca if you want her to do one.It would be cool. That would be really cool because then I could ask her thatquestion that you planted in my head.Yeah, it'd be really good actually, because then, then you'd be the first,um, prominent music journalist that tackled that question.Track 3[43:51] Anyways, love you, mate. And, uh, have, have a, have a great,uh, Canadian afternoon and I'll, I'll, uh, pass on.You've got all the Wes information, right? I do. Yeah.Yeah. I'll pass on Rebecca's. Cool. Oh, all right. All right.Take care of yourself and keep on flying the flag.You betcha. All right. Enjoy yourself. My pleasure.One more thing. Wash your goddamn hands.Thanks for listening.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

February 1, 2024 - Deanne Weier - Shady Lane Home

February 1, 2024 - Deanne Weier - Shady Lane Home

Release Date: November 27, 2013Johnny encounters a waitress who was acquitted of murder and is in loved with the murdered woman's husband.Original Air Dates: July 11 and 12, 1956Support the show monthly at patreon.greatdetectives.netSupport the show on a one-time basis at http://support.greatdetectives.net.Mail a donation to: Adam Graham, PO Box 15913, Boise, Idaho 83715Take the listener survey at http://survey.greatdetectives.netCheck out all our social media links and connect with us at http://www.greatdetectives.netThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5901852/advertisement

Release Date: November 29, 2013The woman who gave the insurance tip that brought him to Shady Lane, Vermont asks to meet with Johnny with a confession.Original Air Date: July 13, 1956Rock gets help on the case from an unexpected source.Original Air Date: 1958Support the show monthly at patreon.greatdetectives.netSupport the show on a one-time basis at http://support.greatdetectives.net.Mail a donation to: Adam Graham, PO Box 15913, Boise, Idaho 83715Take the listener survey at http://survey.greatdetectives.netCheck out all our social media links and connect with us at http://www.greatdetectives.netThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5901852/advertisement

Release Date: November 25, 2013Johnny investigates the death of a woman in a small Vermont town.Original Air Dates: July 9 and 10, 1956Support the show monthly at patreon.greatdetectives.netSupport the show on a one-time basis at http://support.greatdetectives.net.Mail a donation to: Adam Graham, PO Box 15913, Boise, Idaho 83715Take the listener survey at http://survey.greatdetectives.netCheck out all our social media links and connect with us at http://www.greatdetectives.netThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5901852/advertisement

Today's Mystery:Johnny learns that someone involved in the murder of a farmer's disabled wife has faced a murder charge before.Original Radio Broadcast Dates: July 11, 12, and 13, 1956Originating from HollywoodStarring: Bob Bailey as Johnny Dollar; Jeanette Nolan; Forrest Lewis; Shirley Mitchell; Will Wright; Bert Holland; John DehnerWhen making your travel plans, remember http://johnnydollarair.comBecome one of our Patreon Supporters at patreon.greatdetectives.netThank you to our Patreon Supporter of the Day: Azita, Patreon Supporter since August 2019Take the listener survey at http://survey.greatdetectives.netGive us a call at 208-991-4783Follow us on Twitter @radiodetectivesJoin us again tomorrow for another detective drama from the Golden Age of Radio.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4607052/advertisement

Today's Mystery:Johnny learns that someone involved in the murder of a farmer's disabled wife has faced a murder charge before.Original Radio Broadcast Dates: July 11, 12, and 13, 1956Originating from HollywoodStarring: Bob Bailey as Johnny Dollar; Jeanette Nolan; Forrest Lewis; Shirley Mitchell; Will Wright; Bert Holland; John DehnerWhen making your travel plans, remember http://johnnydollarair.comBecome one of our Patreon Supporters at patreon.greatdetectives.netThank you to our Patreon Supporter of the Day: Azita, Patreon Supporter since August 2019Take the listener survey at http://survey.greatdetectives.netGive us a call at 208-991-4783Follow us on Twitter @radiodetectivesThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4607326/advertisement

Today's Mystery:Johnny goes to a small Vermont town where an anonymously written note implicates a husband in the murder of his disabled, and insured, wife.Original Radio Broadcast Dates: July 9 and 10, 1956Originated from HollywoodStarring: Bob Bailey as Johnny Dollar; Jeanette Nolan; Forrest Lewis; Shirley Mitchell; Will Wright; Bert Holland; John DehnerWhen making your travel plans, remember http://johnnydollarair.comBecome one of our Patreon Supporters at patreon.greatdetectives.netThank you to our Patreon Supporter of the Day: Magda, Patreon Supporter since March 2018Take the listener survey at http://survey.greatdetectives.netGive us a call at 208-991-4783Follow us on Twitter @radiodetectivesJoin us again tomorrow for another detective drama from the Golden Age of Radio.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4607052/advertisement

Today's Mystery:Johnny goes to a small Vermont town where an anonymously written note implicates a husband in the murder of his disabled, and insured, wife.Original Radio Broadcast Dates: July 9 and 10, 1956Originated from HollywoodStarring: Bob Bailey as Johnny Dollar; Jeanette Nolan; Forrest Lewis; Shirley Mitchell; Will Wright; Bert Holland; John DehnerWhen making your travel plans, remember http://johnnydollarair.comBecome one of our Patreon Supporters at patreon.greatdetectives.netThank you to our Patreon Supporter of the Day: Magda, Patreon Supporter since March 2018Take the listener survey at http://survey.greatdetectives.netGive us a call at 208-991-4783Follow us on Twitter @radiodetectivesThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4607326/advertisement

The guys together this week to talk all that is TCU Football. They discuss the Chandler Morris injury, the want to displayed by the team, and they work in some Frogball talk with fall camp underway. Apologies in advance for the audio, the mics were extra hot in picking up every background noise.

July 26, 2023 - Life Happens At Shady Lane

Michael Adler has served as Worship Pastor for over three decades in the local church. He currently heads the Worship Arts Ministry at Shades Mountain Baptist Church in Birmingham where he has served for 22 years. With professional credits including Promise Keepers, the Billy Graham Association, TRUTH, LIFEWAY, the southern Baptist convention and others, he is also a published composer and arranger. Michael has served in an advisory capacity and guest teacher for several Christian universities and seminaries in the areas of worship leadership and the local church. He also serves with San Diego based Slingshot Group as a worship leadership staffing and coaching associate.  Outside of the promise of eternal life, Michael considers his greatest gift to be his wife, Linda, a professional vocal coach whom he met while recording daily television shows and specials with the Oral Roberts television ministry in the 80s. Together they have four sons and a growing list of wonderful daughters-in-law and live on eight acres called Shady Lane just outside of Birmingham. 

November 29, 2022 - Christmas Time at Shady Lane

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October 12, 2021 - Shady Lane is Hiring

John Dehner in Les Crutchfield's The Shady Lane Matter!

Rob interviews Kris "SkinnyK" Morron about his latest Kickstarter, "Shady Lane Blues"! Support this Kickstarter at this link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/twocranes/shady-lane-blues-a-new-comic-by-kris-morron-and-jake-kelly Find Kris on: Instagram: kris_skinnyk_morron Website: skinnykmusic.com YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCUkheDNo6BT7idpwjbpLyzQ   Find us at: southgatemediagroup.com twitter.com/rsouthgate facebook.com/gofundthispodcast patreon.com/southgatemediagroup

Rob interviews Kris "SkinnyK" Morron about his latest Kickstarter, "Shady Lane Blues"! Support this Kickstarter at this link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/twocranes/shady-lane-blues-a-new-comic-by-kris-morron-and-jake-kelly Find Kris on: Instagram: kris_skinnyk_morron Website: skinnykmusic.com YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCUkheDNo6BT7idpwjbpLyzQ   Find us at: southgatemediagroup.com twitter.com/rsouthgate facebook.com/gofundthispodcast patreon.com/southgatemediagroup

July 27, 2021 - Volunteering at Shady Lane

Rick DeBlasio, General Manager at Shady Lane Cellars in Suttons Bay, told us about their Summer Music Series and Shrimp Boil on this week's Travel Michigan Update. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

June 29, 2021 - History of Shady Lane

Bob Bailey, generally thought of as the most popular of the Johnny Dollars, brought a new interpretation to the character – tough, but not hard-boiled; streetwise, but not overly cynical, Bailey's Dollar was smart and gritty when he had to be. But Bailey's Johnny Dollar was also human. His character would get emotionally involved in a number of his cases. He had a streak of impatience, and would occasionally not fully listen to a witness and rush off on a tangent before realizing his mistake. The weekday serialized episodes are generally acknowledged as some of the finest radio detective shows ever produced. There were fifty six multi-part shows in all: fifty four five-part shows, one six-part show, and one nine-part show. The serialized episodes continued until November 2, 1956 when the series again reverted to a once a week, thirty minute format. Bob Bailey continued in the lead, until "The Empty Threat Matter" of November 27, 1960, when the Hollywood run ended.Support our show and checkout www.simplisafe.com/1001! Only 14.99/mo- no long contracts-no tools required. This is a great product- highly reviewed (40,000 Amazon reviews)- we recommend it. NEW Enjoy THE 1001 HISTORY CHALLENGE on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-history-challenge/id1482436263 NEW Enjoy 1001 Greatest Love Stories on Apple Devices here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-greatest-love-stories/id1485751552 Enjoy 1001 Greatest Love Stories on Android devices here: ​​https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=479022&refid=stpr.  Get all of our shows at one website: www.1001storiespodcast.com HERE: (main website all 1001 shows) https://www.1001storiespodcast.com or HERE: at Google Play: https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iwdojx2zx4jj2xj25fwupwrdcxq or HERE at Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-history-challenge/id1482436263 CALLING ALL FANS.. REVIEWS NEEDED FOR NEW SHOWS! REVIEWS NEEDED FOR NEW SHOWS! A SECOND NEW SHOW AT 1001- 1001 HISTORY'S BEST STORYTELLERS- OUR INTERVIEWS WITH SOME OF TODAY'S BEST HISTORY AUTHORS ...LINKS BELOW... all shows available at www.1001storiespodcast.com The Apple Podcast Link for 1001 History's Best Storytellers: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-historys-best-storytellers/id1483649026 The Stitcher.com link for 1001 History's Best Storytellers is:: ​​https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=474955&refid=stpr.  SUPPORT OUR SHOW BY BECOMING A PATRON! www.patreon.com/1001storiesnetwork. Its time I started asking for support! Thank you. Its a few dollars a month OR a one time. (Any amount is appreciated). YOUR REVIEWS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS AT APPLE/ITUNES AND ALL ANDROID HOSTS ARE NEEDED AND APPRECIATED! LINKS BELOW... Open these links to enjoy our shows! APPLE USERS Catch 1001 RADIO DAYS now at Apple iTunes!  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-radio-days/id1405045413?mt=2 Catch 1001 Heroes on any Apple Device here (Free): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-heroes-legends-histories-mysteries-podcast/id956154836?mt=2  Catch 1001 CLASSIC SHORT STORIES at iTunes/apple Podcast App Now: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-classic-short-stories-tales/id1078098622 Catch 1001 Stories for the Road at iTunes/Apple Podcast now:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1001-stories-for-the-road/id1227478901 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summer season in Alaska has begun! Alaska tourism is poised to make a big comeback this summer, but employees of the tourism industry had to shake things up this past year due to the global pandemic. Friends of the pod Cara and Russ ended up sticking around Alaska for the winter and we treat this episode as a winter recap to discuss how the pandemic shaped their lives this past year. Are Alaska tour guides good brewmasters? What are the benefits of experiencing an Alaskan winter? And who on this episode is the most competitive? Find out all this and more as we explore the inner workings of Alaska's newest brewing company...the Shady Lane Brew Cabin. Alaskan Beer of the Week: Guava Busters by: Devil's Club Brewing Company [https://www.devilsclubbrewing.com] Music By: Blackwater Railroad Company [www.blackwaterrailroad.com] and Scott Buckley [https://soundcloud.com/scottbuckley] Support Us on Patreon: [www.patreon.com/thelastfrontier]

Summer season in Alaska has begun! Alaska tourism is poised to make a big comeback this summer, but employees of the tourism industry had to shake things up this past year due to the global pandemic. Friends of the pod Cara and Russ ended up sticking around Alaska for the winter and we treat this episode as a winter recap to discuss how the pandemic shaped their lives this past year. Are Alaska tour guides good brewmasters? What are the benefits of experiencing an Alaskan winter? And who on this episode is the most competitive? Find out all this and more as we explore the inner workings of Alaska's newest brewing company...the Shady Lane Brew Cabin. Alaskan Beer of the Week: Guava Busters by: Devil's Club Brewing Company [https://www.devilsclubbrewing.com]Music By: Blackwater Railroad Company [www.blackwaterrailroad.com] and Scott Buckley [https://soundcloud.com/scottbuckley]Support Us on Patreon: [www.patreon.com/thelastfrontier]

March 24, 2021 - Representatives of Shady Lane Home

March 24, 2021 - Representatives of Shady Lane Home

March 24, 2021 - Representatives of Shady Lane Home

March 2, 2021 - Update on Shady Lane Residents

¿Podrías contar la historia de Pavement en 10 canciones? Alejandro Velasco nos invita a recorrer la historia de una de las bandas más importantes de la escena independiente de Estados Unidos en los años 90. Suenan: 1. Summer baby (winter version) - Slanted and Enchanted 2. In the Mouth a desert - Slanted and Enchanted 3. Here - Slanted and Enchanted 4. Cut your Hair - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain 5. Gold Soundz - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain 6. Range Life - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain 7. Father to a Sister of though - Wowee Zowiee 8. Stereo - Brighten the Corners 9. Shady Lane - Brighten the Corners  10. Spit on a Stranger - Terror Twilight Espacio patrocinado por: CARMEN VENTURA, NORBERTO BLANQUER, JORDI, ROSA RIVAS, INFESTOS, 61 GARAGE, MR.KAFFE, ISRAEL, TOLO SENT, ANXO, RAUL SANCHEZ, VICTORGB, EDUARDO MAYORDONO, BARON75, EDUARDO VAQUERIZO, LIP, ALEJANDRO GOMEZ, DANI RM, JOCIO, RULKTO, AYTIRO SAKI, MARCOS, PABLO ARABIA, CARLOS CONSEGLIERI, JEKY LOSABE, CESMUNSAL, LARUBIAPRODUCCIONES, RUBIO CARBÓN, PILAR DÍEZ, ALFONSO MOYA, JON LÓPEZ, FERNANDO MASERO, RODRIGO GUADIÁN, DOMINGO SANTABÁRBARA, JOSE MIGUEL, ALEXANDER CASTAÑEDA, ANTO78 y varios oyentes anónimos. ¡¡GRACIAS!! 🅱️9️⃣0️⃣

The finale of RFR and PFR is here! We shed some tears and say goodbye to Question Mark, Pronto, Shady Lane, Smog, and the other citizens of Roscoe as the show reaches it's ~emotional~ conclusion.

jD is back and boy does he love this song. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Another beautifully written Walk with Wonder from Geraldine Moulden. Join her in your imagination as she takes a prayerful walk around the Shady Lane arboretum at the end of July 2020.

Welcome to My Teen Angst Has a Podcast, a show featuring your lovely hosts Jaimie and Kyle who are revisiting beloved teen dramas from their younger years. Looking at all of the angst, heartbreak, and poorly aged content along the way. For this inaugural episode of the show, Jaimie and Kyle introduce their first show on the docket, "Radio Free Roscoe" the underrated Canadian gem that puts the voices of Shady Lane, Pronto, Question Mark, and of course Smog onto the airwaves. Buckle up because we are just starting this wild ride. Follow along with us! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33i4s9r3NwA&list=PLC1A0KOYvlM6kq9Vi5yW5szhLNTd2mCfQ Please feel free to reach us as at: myteenangsthasapodcast@gmail.com https://anchor.fm/my-teen-angst-has-a-pod @myteenangstpod on Twitter @myteenangstpod on Instagram Theme song by Drew Fitzgerald: https://voyagerstudios.bandcamp.com/

August 4, 2020 - All About Shady Lane

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Bob Bailey as detective Johnny Dollar. Digitally restored radio crime drama. Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar episodes originally broadcast in July, 1956. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/podnoir/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/podnoir/support

May 26, 2020 - Program Changes at Shady Lane

May 26, 2020 - Changes at Shady Lane

Pavement is one of The New Dad Rock's favorite bands, but perhaps you are not well-versed in their oeuvre. Let Keith and Steve guide you through their career highlights, regale you with anecdotes tangentially related to the band, and otherwise guide you on your search for enlightenment.If you're up for further exploration, please enjoy this (by no means exhaustive) playlist of Pavement songs from throughout their prolific but brief career."Box Elder" from the Slay Tracks: 1933-1969 EP* (1989)"Debris Slide" from the Perfect Sound Forever EP* (1991)"Summer Babe" from Slanted and Enchanted* (1991)"Here" from Slanted and Enchanted (1991)"Two States" from Slanted and Enchanted (1991)"Frontwards" from Watery, Domestic EP (1992)"Lions (Linden)" from Watery, Domestic EP (1992)"Silence Kit" -- also known as Silent Kid from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"Gold Soundz" from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"Cut Your Hair" from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"Range Life" from Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)"We Dance" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"Rattled By The Rush" from Wowee Zowee (1995) "Easily Fooled" b-side from Rattled By The Rush single (1995)"Grounded" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"Father to a Sister of Thought" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"AT&T" from Wowee Zowee (1995)"Give It a Day" from the Pacific Trim EP (1996)"Stereo" from Brighten the Corners (1997)"Shady Lane" from Brighten the Corners (1997)"Spit on a Stranger" from Terror Twilight** (1999)* these tracks were also Included on the Westing (By Musket and Sextant) compilation** for a further discussion of Terror Twilight, please see EP 1 of The New Dad RockSupport the show (https://teespring.com/stores/the-new-dad-rock)

February 6, 2020 - Shady Lane Assisted Living

Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar was a radio drama about a "fabulous" freelance insurance investigator "with the action-packed expense account." The show aired on CBS Radio from January 14, 1949 to September 30, 1962. There were 811 episodes in the 12-year run, and more than 720 still exist today. Each story started with a phone call from an insurance executive, calling on Johnny to investigate an unusual claim. Each story required Johnny to travel to some distant locale, usually within the United States but sometimes abroad, where he was almost always threatened with personal danger in the course of his investigations. Johnny's file on each case was usually referenced as a "matter," as in "The Silver Blue Matter" or "The Forbes Matter." Later episodes were more fanciful, with titles like "The Wayward Trout Matter" and "The Price of Fame Matter" (the latter featuring a rare guest-star appearance: Vincent Price). Each story was recounted in flashback, as Johnny listed each line item from his expense account. Most of the items related to transportation and lodging, but no incidental expense was too small for Johnny to itemize, as in "Item nine, 10 cents. Aspirin. I needed them." Johnny usually stuck to business, but would engage in romantic dalliances with women he encountered in his travels; later episodes gave Johnny a steady girlfriend, Betty Lewis. Johnny's precious recreational time was usually spent fishing, and it was not uncommon for Johnny's clients to exploit this favorite pastime in convincing him to take on a job. The episodes generally finished with Johnny tallying up his account, making final remarks on the report, and traveling back to Hartford, Connecticut, where he was based. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/daniel-lantz/message

Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar was a radio drama about a "fabulous" freelance insurance investigator "with the action-packed expense account." The show aired on CBS Radio from January 14, 1949 to September 30, 1962. There were 811 episodes in the 12-year run, and more than 720 still exist today. Each story started with a phone call from an insurance executive, calling on Johnny to investigate an unusual claim. Each story required Johnny to travel to some distant locale, usually within the United States but sometimes abroad, where he was almost always threatened with personal danger in the course of his investigations. Johnny's file on each case was usually referenced as a "matter," as in "The Silver Blue Matter" or "The Forbes Matter." Later episodes were more fanciful, with titles like "The Wayward Trout Matter" and "The Price of Fame Matter" (the latter featuring a rare guest-star appearance: Vincent Price). Each story was recounted in flashback, as Johnny listed each line item from his expense account. Most of the items related to transportation and lodging, but no incidental expense was too small for Johnny to itemize, as in "Item nine, 10 cents. Aspirin. I needed them." Johnny usually stuck to business, but would engage in romantic dalliances with women he encountered in his travels; later episodes gave Johnny a steady girlfriend, Betty Lewis. Johnny's precious recreational time was usually spent fishing, and it was not uncommon for Johnny's clients to exploit this favorite pastime in convincing him to take on a job. The episodes generally finished with Johnny tallying up his account, making final remarks on the report, and traveling back to Hartford, Connecticut, where he was based. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/daniel-lantz/message

Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar was a radio drama about a "fabulous" freelance insurance investigator "with the action-packed expense account." The show aired on CBS Radio from January 14, 1949 to September 30, 1962. There were 811 episodes in the 12-year run, and more than 720 still exist today. Each story started with a phone call from an insurance executive, calling on Johnny to investigate an unusual claim. Each story required Johnny to travel to some distant locale, usually within the United States but sometimes abroad, where he was almost always threatened with personal danger in the course of his investigations. Johnny's file on each case was usually referenced as a "matter," as in "The Silver Blue Matter" or "The Forbes Matter." Later episodes were more fanciful, with titles like "The Wayward Trout Matter" and "The Price of Fame Matter" (the latter featuring a rare guest-star appearance: Vincent Price). Each story was recounted in flashback, as Johnny listed each line item from his expense account. Most of the items related to transportation and lodging, but no incidental expense was too small for Johnny to itemize, as in "Item nine, 10 cents. Aspirin. I needed them." Johnny usually stuck to business, but would engage in romantic dalliances with women he encountered in his travels; later episodes gave Johnny a steady girlfriend, Betty Lewis. Johnny's precious recreational time was usually spent fishing, and it was not uncommon for Johnny's clients to exploit this favorite pastime in convincing him to take on a job. The episodes generally finished with Johnny tallying up his account, making final remarks on the report, and traveling back to Hartford, Connecticut, where he was based. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/daniel-lantz/message

Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar was a radio drama about a "fabulous" freelance insurance investigator "with the action-packed expense account." The show aired on CBS Radio from January 14, 1949 to September 30, 1962. There were 811 episodes in the 12-year run, and more than 720 still exist today. Each story started with a phone call from an insurance executive, calling on Johnny to investigate an unusual claim. Each story required Johnny to travel to some distant locale, usually within the United States but sometimes abroad, where he was almost always threatened with personal danger in the course of his investigations. Johnny's file on each case was usually referenced as a "matter," as in "The Silver Blue Matter" or "The Forbes Matter." Later episodes were more fanciful, with titles like "The Wayward Trout Matter" and "The Price of Fame Matter" (the latter featuring a rare guest-star appearance: Vincent Price). Each story was recounted in flashback, as Johnny listed each line item from his expense account. Most of the items related to transportation and lodging, but no incidental expense was too small for Johnny to itemize, as in "Item nine, 10 cents. Aspirin. I needed them." Johnny usually stuck to business, but would engage in romantic dalliances with women he encountered in his travels; later episodes gave Johnny a steady girlfriend, Betty Lewis. Johnny's precious recreational time was usually spent fishing, and it was not uncommon for Johnny's clients to exploit this favorite pastime in convincing him to take on a job. The episodes generally finished with Johnny tallying up his account, making final remarks on the report, and traveling back to Hartford, Connecticut, where he was based. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/daniel-lantz/message

Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar was a radio drama about a "fabulous" freelance insurance investigator "with the action-packed expense account." The show aired on CBS Radio from January 14, 1949 to September 30, 1962. There were 811 episodes in the 12-year run, and more than 720 still exist today. Each story started with a phone call from an insurance executive, calling on Johnny to investigate an unusual claim. Each story required Johnny to travel to some distant locale, usually within the United States but sometimes abroad, where he was almost always threatened with personal danger in the course of his investigations. Johnny's file on each case was usually referenced as a "matter," as in "The Silver Blue Matter" or "The Forbes Matter." Later episodes were more fanciful, with titles like "The Wayward Trout Matter" and "The Price of Fame Matter" (the latter featuring a rare guest-star appearance: Vincent Price). Each story was recounted in flashback, as Johnny listed each line item from his expense account. Most of the items related to transportation and lodging, but no incidental expense was too small for Johnny to itemize, as in "Item nine, 10 cents. Aspirin. I needed them." Johnny usually stuck to business, but would engage in romantic dalliances with women he encountered in his travels; later episodes gave Johnny a steady girlfriend, Betty Lewis. Johnny's precious recreational time was usually spent fishing, and it was not uncommon for Johnny's clients to exploit this favorite pastime in convincing him to take on a job. The episodes generally finished with Johnny tallying up his account, making final remarks on the report, and traveling back to Hartford, Connecticut, where he was based. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/daniel-lantz/message

December 31, 2019 - Why Choose Shady Lane

After reuniting with his family, Damien and the others find out about a little scuffle between his wife, son, and the butcher. The party decides to be "bullies" themselves and quickly make way to the butcher's shop to have a "chit-chat". Will our questionable heroes teach the butcher and his son a lesson? Or will they go completely off the rails yet again? Find out on this episode of T&C! Join us as our DM Rhyan (@haphazardDM) tries to kill our beloved characters - Desiree/Damien Lovelace (@OMFG_Imawesome), Isundra (@daggertribal), Nomu the Monstrous, and Edeyar Dossane(jwplayer0) while we try to ruin whatever it is he has planned. Please follow us on Twitter @TavernsCaverns and let us know how you feel about the podcast!

December 10, 2019 - Shady Lane Insurance Plan

Wander along Shady Lane at Oregon Country Fair, and drop in on live music inside the giant wicker dragon, and listen in to the band Humble George as they play some good old rag time and "sarcastic jazz", and heckle your host, Karen Rainsong.

In this episode the gurls are joined by friend to the show, Shawn Brown. They discuss Kamala Harris, getting arrested, and take a trip down shady lane.

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Tobin chats with Kate Todd, also known as Shady Lane from the Canadian television show RFR (Radio Free Roscoe). Kate tells us how she got the part, how the cast got their names and some of her favorite memories of the show. She also tells us what she thought a revival could look like. We also talk to Kate about her solo music career and how that is going. Who she looks up to,and  who she would like to work with.  So check out the episode See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During our recent visit to Milwaukee for Trainfest, (see previous episodes). We discovered about a half hour north, of the Trainfest location of the Wisconsin State Fair Grounds. The Shady Lane Greenhouse has very Two very nice G-Scale train layouts. We visited with the owner and creator of the layouts. He takes us on a tour around the layout. For more about the layouts go to: http://www.shadylanegreenhouse.com/train-exhibit/train-videos/ For the address and phone number: http://www.shadylanegreenhouse.com/  

The Strike Team along with guest bartender Shady Lane knock back some Spotted Cow (all the way from Wisconsin) and Jack Daniel's Honey Whiskey. They also disect JURASSIC WORLD, talk about how they're going to spend their summer vacations, discuss karaoke, and Mike reads passages from the new FIFTY SHADES OF GREY spinoff, GREY. New music from Rhett Miller is featured as well as Billy Squier, Benjamin Orr, and Billy Brag & Wilco.

Hello my little chickadees, and welcome to “Somebody Likes It”…the show that takes a slippery idea and wanders around aimlessly, all the while attempting to keep that idea as slippery as it possibly can be. Now, there’s a couple of ways to view this concept. The easiest target to hit, and also the closest to our original intention, is that the 3 of us will drink copious amounts of liquor and talk about an album that, while very important to a lot of people, none of us have really spent any time with. This doesn’t mean that said record is a cult classic, nay dear reader, as our intent is quite contrary to that line of thinking. Our idea is to dig into music beloved by a swath of humanity, but not necessarily us; which is not to say we don’t like the music, or that we’re unfamiliar with the music. Rather, the 3 of us want to become more familiar with it…imagine you’re sitting in a garage with your 2 best friends and somebody opines “Hey, you don’t really know the Kinks, cause you never really listened to a Kinks album all the way through”. And then everybody runs out and listens to a Kinks album all the way through before the next sitting around the garage stuff… But there is another lens through which to view this idea, and, well yeah it’s pretty much the same as the first. Get drunk and talk about music. I have to say, these first couple of episodes are standing on newborn baby deer shaky legs; we’re still feeling this stuff out, but I will tell you as the weeks have gone by, we are gaining strength… With appropriate little fanfare, here are your “hosts”: SHANE BARTELL Shane Bartell plays some instruments and writes “songs”. Some things you might find interesting about him: he has a scar on his left middle finger knuckle from trying to bust into (successfully!!) his dad’s “marijuana storing toolbox” when he was in middle school. When he was in 9th grade a dude gave him the shittiest tattoo ever (and that person should have known better). Music? Just fine by him. KEVIN NEWSUM Kevin Newsum’s toe started tapping somewhere around the LBJ administration and never stopped. He managed to unearth Sgt Pepper from beneath an onslaught of minstrel-friendly effluvia his parents hoarded, and from then on twangs and beats were never far from earshot. He’s found diamonds and dung in most every genre. He’s also a professional nerd (though there’s more to it than that), executive producer of a show in its 14th year at SXSW Interactive, and incurably curious regarding the next big sound. He is fond of the riffing. RYAN NEWSUM Ryan Newsum is a self-professed, life-long “music nerd”. Having spent time mastering the undeniably sexy French horn during his adolescence (that’s right, ladies–marching band!), subsequent years have seen him dabble in the music business in several capacities: radio intern, artist manager, club booker and promoter. These days, Mr. Newsum has come to realize that the best way he can contribute to the rich tapestry of the music world is to have drinks in his brother’s garage, chatting with his two best friends about iconic records. A few things you should know about this show before before you dig into it: Shane inadvertently created a drinking game. Every time Shane says the word “exactly” take a shot…and feel his dignity slip away one drop at a time… The Pavement song we reference is “Stereo” not fucking “Shady Lane”. Yeah yeah, we all know all about Ayn Rand and her bullshit Libertarian philosophy. But we don’t really care about how we mis-stated, or didn’t get something right…that shit is BORING. So grab a Chalice and join us…we welcome all comments (except ayn rand or conspiracy theories), rest assured you are in fact wrong and we are right, but we still can’t wait to read your opinions…bring it. Purchase Rush's 2112 on Amazon