Podcast appearances and mentions of John Woo

linktr.ee/CatchingUpOnCinema⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This May, Kyle takes control of all the programming designs on Catching Up On Cinema, for a special event that we're calling, “Kyle's Kitchen Sink”! All month long, Kyle follows his nose, allowing his impulsivity and gut instinct to drive his movie selection process from week to week. This week, Kyle has us review John Woo's, Hard Boiled (1992)! The Stairs. The Warehouse. The Hospital. The Hallway. Regarded as of one of the grandest and most bombastic films among John Woo's illustrious filmography, Hard Boiled (1992) is an action fan's dream come true. Starring national treasures, Chow Yun-fat and Tony Leung, as well as the always brilliant Anthony Wong in a small but memorable villainous turn, Hard Boiled is ultimately an all-gas-no-brakes production, largely focused on violent spectacle rather than reveling in the melodrama that is often endemic to Woo's filmography and the heroic bloodshed genre in general. Featuring no less that 3 protracted action sequences that are packed to the brim with creativity and excellence in execution, Hard Boiled is an all-time great, well-deserving of its reputation and place in the annals of action cinema history. Follow us on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@catchinguponcinema⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@CatchingCinema⁠

Peter Sobczynski returns to update all the streamers on what is available on disc this week. They include a sadly all-too-timely Peter Bogdanovich film with Boris Karloff and early work from John Woo, Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung. Peter discusses one of his all-time favorite musicals and Erik recalls a disturbing scene he used to see on cable all the time in a film from an unlikely director. Meg Ryan is cast against type and there is some overlap between Mark Wahlberg and Jason Statham in some new releases. Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin team up again for a better effort than 80 For Brady and finally Kino has some more Burt Reynolds for you including one of his more entertaining works newly in 4K. 0:00 - Intro 1:25 - Criterion (Targets, Branded to Kill 4K) 8:31 - Arrow (Hand of Death) 10:48 - Shout! Factory (Endangered Species) 16:08 - RLJE (Children of the Corn) 18:12 - Lions Gate (Moving On, Operation Fortune) 25:25 - Paramount (Italian Job (4K), Shooter (4K)) 30:00 - Mill Creek (In The Cut (20th Anniversary Director's Edition) 32:45 - Sandpiper (Absolute Beginners) 38:23 - Kino (Hustle, The Longest Yard (1974) (4K)) 48:50 – New Blu-ray Announcements 52:28 - Outro

This week, Michelle Yeoh takes on her first leading role in a martial arts film since CROUCHING TIGER with 2010's REIGN OF ASSASSINS! Directed by Su Chao-bin (with an assist from legendary Hong Kong filmmaker John Woo), the movie features Yeoh as a former assassin who must face her past to save not only her own life, but that of her husband's.

Explosions, slow motion double-gun action, birds, hospitals, gun arsenals, and morgues. Will LeeLee be 'Woo-ed" by this John Woo flick? 

I welcome Steve Anichini, the CTO and Co-founder of Disbelief to this episode. We start off discussing programming at a young age, taking a job after college, and then deciding to pursue a game development career with his first job at Jellyvision. Hear about working at Midway Games and Irrational Games and then starting Disbelief after layoffs. Learn advice about developing patience with yourself, others, project timelines, and not freaking out over deadlines. Steve then shares ideas for getting a first job, including the importance of debugging skills and learning more languages and game engines. We then discuss advancing as a programmer, including the importance of communication skills. Hear about some of his favorite projects, including Borderlands 3 and BioShock Infinite. We then dive into rendering and graphics technology, including real-time ray tracing and Unreal Five's Nanite. Hear about the threat and opportunity he sees in the industry, along with benefits and numerous concerns around AI.  Steve then shares a funny story about a John Woo's Stranglehold press event, some games he's playing, the company's journey towards an anti-crunch culture, along with strategies for not getting into bad situations. At the end he shares advice about never being too late to strike out on your own, giving yourself enough runway, and getting in touch with him online.  Bio: Steve Anichini has worked on many titles throughout his 24 year career, including Borderlands 3's PS5/XSX ports, Gears 5, BioShock Infinite, and John Woo Presents Stranglehold. He worked on tools and systems used in Blitz: The League, Psi-ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy, and Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance. At Disbelief, Steve focuses on systems and graphics programming, training, recruiting, and company strategy Connect With Links: * Disbelief website * Disbelief Career Page website * info@disbelief.com email * @solidangle@mastodon.gamedev.place Mastodon * Solid Angle blog Show Links: * Debugging: The 9 Indispensable Rules for Finding Even the Most Elusive Software and Hardware Problems Goodreads * Google Technical Writing Courses website * Nanite Virtualized Geometry in Unreal website * Lumen Global Illumination and Reflections in Unreal website * Midway's 2007 Game Event in Vegas website * Pentiment Xbox Game Dev Advice Links:  * Game Dev Advice Patreon - please support this work if you find it useful * Game Dev Advice Twitter * Game Dev Advice email: info@gamedevadvice.com * Game Dev Advice website * Level Ex Careers - we're hiring for lots of roles! * Game Dev Advice hotline: (224) 484-7733 * Subscribe and go to the website for full show notes with links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This month Isla and Huber discuss John Wick, John Woo, Equilibrium, The Raid, and the rest! As well as Yellowjackets, Perry Mason, and Top Gun Maverick Support us through Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EasyAllies Merch: https://store.roosterteeth.com/collections/easy-allies One-time donations: https://streamlabs.com/easyallies/tip Schedule: http://easyallies.com/ Live streams - https://www.twitch.tv/easyallies Stream archives - https://www.youtube.com/easyalliesplays https://twitter.com/easyallies https://www.instagram.com/easyallies https://www.tiktok.com/@easyallies #EasyAllies #Gaming

Composer Joel J Richard joins us for an in-depth look at his work co-scoring the entire John Wick series alongside Tyler Bates, and what went into developing the sound of John Wick and evolving it across four films.   Joel starts off talking about his unique path to composing including working as an assistant for John Powell. We talk about how he found his inspiration for composing and what were the steps that led to meeting Tyler Bates, which in turn led Tyler asking him to co-helm the first John Wick film.   We focus on the musical evolution of John Wick, and how he worked with director Chad Stahelski as the films grew in scope and the lore of the world expanded. Joel talks about finding the sound of the world, what style and approach worked best, and how the scores for each film led up to this final chapter. Chapter 4 opens up the scope of John Wick even bigger and builds upon its genre inspirations from Hong Kong cinema, John Woo, European neo-noir, Akira Kurosawa, and Sergio Leone. Joel talks about weaving those textures and nods, tackling huge action set pieces, and making sure the score never lost the feel that was established in the first film.   Joel is such a wonderful and versatile composer, and his work on the John Wick series ended up building its own unique sonic identity while still being able to acknowledge the genres that inspired the character and world.   A Film.Music.Media Production | Produced & Presented by Kaya Savas

In a very shocking move, Roderick Strong has left WWE and debuted for AEW! Luke and Oli review AEW Dynamite from April 26th, 2023.Buy tickets for WWE Night of Champions Party: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wrestletalks-wwe-night-of-champions-2023-party-tickets-619067967957WWE vs AEW: The New War: Inside Pro Wrestling's Hottest New Battleground: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C3MFHZNG?utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=News+Video&utm_campaign=Book+LaunchThe Frustrating History of John Woo's Metroid Movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvGuLEYEO1ESubscribe to CutScene: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxH35tts4YX1xempP2Z-U4ATheme song by TALLBuy our new WrestleTalk merchandise hereWrestleTalk In The Office Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2sprWyZxCcqhtbzUuKfd0U?si=txG3hFYjSNOlGYpcDipx2gWrestleTalk Discover Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/00I22mwo6wwMKdBh6Y8Gtf?si=geesBbqiSuaNkW6SVdn3eQSubscribe to partsFUNknown hereWatch the video version of the WrestleTalk Podcast hereJoin WrestleLeague hereBecome a Pledge Hammer on Patreon hereFollow Luke Owen @ThisisLukeOwenFollow Oli Davis @OliDavisFollow Pete Quinnell @PeteQuinnellFollow Tempest @TempestWTFollow Adam Blampied @AdamTheBlampiedFollow Laurie Blake @ElFakidor Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

#johnwoo #jcvdforever #jcvd #jeanclaudevandamme #hardtarget #firsttimewatching #firsttimewatch Welcome back to another episode of Reels Like the First Time. My journey to try to experience everything film has to offer, good and bad, for the very first time. This week I got to chat with Mark Ellis on the 1993 John Woo directed flick "Hard Target". This was John Woo's first US directorial debut and its a DOOZY! Subscribe to Rotten Tomatoes is on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rotten-tomatoes-is-wrong-a-podcast-from-rotten-tomatoes/id1530648964Follow Mark Ellis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/markellisliveFollow Reels Like the First Time on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ReelsLikeMoviesFollow host Allison Salamone on Twitter: https://twitter.com/allisonsalamone Follow us @flicknreelfancast on Instagram and Twitter!: https://twitter.com/Flicknreel Twitter: Jesse https://twitter.com/jesseswift Scott https://twitter.com/pastordadfox Sean https://twitter.com/seanwingblade Chris https://twitter.com/canthonylopez Join our DISCORD: https://discord.gg/63UD93q9kD Please don't forget to LIKE, COMMENT, AND SUBSCRIBE. Thank you for joining us today and until next time KEEP IT REEL! You can also find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google podcasts, breaker, pocket Casts, Radio public, and more. Links below: MERCH: http://tee.pub/lic/xx6izjb3634 Shirts, hoodies, stickers, etc SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4xaHkza... APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ANCHOR: https://anchor.fm/jesse-swift ALSO CHECK US OUT ON TWITCH: https://twitch.tv/SwiftWingblade --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/flicknreel/support

Sarah is starting a brand new show covering 8 films per season, based on a theme. Season one is "Cops" and kicks off with John Woo's Hard Boiled. We hope you'll join us!

More gang wars than a John Woo flick and Kaiju battles like downtown Tokyo... What in world are you talking about?? This week in wrestling of course!! The fellas are back in full force discussing the waring factions, NXT Spring Break-in and of course big meaty men bumping meat... Even post mania this world is still crazy

On the next episode of #IRPresents Let Me Book The Territory..... More gang wars than a John Woo flick and Kaiju battles like downtown Tokyo... What in world are we talking about?? This week in wrestling of course!! The fellas are back in full force discussing the waring factions, NXT Spring Break-in and of course big meaty men bumping meat... Even post mania this world is still crazy Let Me Book Territory is powered by: @Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code TERRITORY at Manscaped.com. That's 20% off with free shipping at manscaped.com and use code TERRITORY. Unlock your confidence and always use the right tools for the job with MANSCAPED™

Welcome to Dev Game Club, where this week we begin a new series on 1997's Rare classic, GoldenEye 007. We set the game in its time before getting down to brass tacks, including comparing the experience to the film. Dev Game Club looks at classic video games and plays through them over several episodes, providing commentary. Sections played: First full mission (three levels) Issues covered: the license, a bit about the film and the film series, 1997 in games, the flourishing of the first person shooter, late in a console cycle, disparity between PC FPSes and console FPSes, Rare with a lot of games and a lot of further game studios, missing the original controller, remapping shenanigans, threading the needle on a film adaptation, filling in gaps in the license, choosing your exciting set piece, wide level design, the triple cut, Hong Kong cinema, cinematic choices, contrasting with later cinematic games, how many mechanics will you incorporate, chasing this game, choosing different presentation, showing death the character death, an era of accessibility needs recognition, at last listening to our hate mail. Games, people, and influences mentioned or discussed: Nintendo, Fatal Frame, PlayStation, Pierce Brosnan, Nintendo 64, Sean Bean, Famke Janssen, Alan Cumming, Judi Dench, Desmond Llewelyn, Ralph Fiennes, Daniel Craig, Skyfall, Diablo, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Fallout, Quake, SW: Jedi Knight: DF2, Blood, Outlaws, Turok, Shadow Warrior, Hexen II, Raven Software, 3D Realms, GT Interactive, Duke Nuke'em, Postal, Curse of Monkey Island, Age of Empires, The Last Express, Final Fantasy VII, Colony Wars, Wing Commander: Prophecy, Riven, MYST, XvT, Interstate '76, Mario Kart 64, OddWorld, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, Diddy Kong Racing, The Stamp brothers, NES, Slalom, Wizards and Warriors, Battletoads, Killer Instinct, Perfect Dark, Microsoft, Viva Pinata, Banjo Kazooie (series), Donkey Kong Country, Silicon Graphics, Timesplitters, Free Radical, John Romero, Majora's Mask, Minish Cap, Metroid Fusion, The Fugitive, Harrison Ford, Mission: Impossible, John Woo, Hard Target, Broken Arrow, Face Off, Metal Gear Solid, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Alpha Protocol, Telltale Games, IO Interactive, Machine Games, Colin "The Shots," Devil May Cry, Dark Souls, Celeste, Luke Harris, Tetris 64, Starfighter/JSF, 343 Industries, Kingdom Hearts (series), Republic Commando, Kirk Hamilton, Aaron Evers, Mark Garcia. Next time: More GoldenEye 007 Twitch: brettdouville or timlongojr, instagram:timlongojr, Twitter: @timlongojr and @devgameclub DevGameClub@gmail.com

Dan and Lacy Lou venture back to 1996 to commentate on John Woo's Broken Arrow! This was a first time watch for Lou! Does Danos love it? How does this film compare to other movies out at that time? Does Turtleneck wearing chain smoking Travolta carry the films sex appeal? So get into action and hit that play button but Please Don't Shoot at the Nuclear Weapons! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lacy-williams1/support

Hit Factory's heroic duo take on Johnnie To's 1993 Honk Kong action spectacular, 'The Heroic Trio'. It's a super hero origin story featuring three of Hong Kong cinema's most remarkable leading women - Anita Mui, Michelle Yeoh, & Maggie Cheung - and a wellspring of imagination & style unrivaled by western action movies of the era. We discuss the dynamic burst of imagination at the center of Hong Kong's Golden Era of action cinema that birthed the talents of To, Tsui Hark, John Woo and countless others, the film's nuanced and progressively feminine approach to its storytelling, the brilliant costume design...and the movie's commendable contempt toward children.  Get access to all of our premium episodes and bonus content by becoming a Hit Factory Patron for just $5/month.....Our theme song is "Mirror" by Chris Fish. 

We review the 1997 action masterpiece Face/Off directed by John Woo and starring Nicolas Cage and John Travolta. Need we say more?Today's epsiode is sponsored by Magic Mind. Magic Mind contains a magical combination of 13 active ingredients, scientifically designed to improve energy, focus, and mood while decreasing stress — all things that, combined, improve your productivity. If you want to try Magic Mind for yourself go HERE and use code NOTABLENOSTALGIA at checkout to get 56% off your subscription!If you'd like to find out other stuff we are up to as well as links to our social pages visit HERE

John Wick 4 is here, and this guy CANNOT catch a break! If only John Woo's The Killer were on his side, it might even his odds…how many bad guys go down in this ep?  We lost count a LONG time ago. #johnwick4 #johnwick #keanureeves #johnwoo #chowyunfat #lancereddick

City of Solitude - Wong Kar-wai's Fallen Angels In the very late 80s and early 1990s, Hong Kong Cinema was evolving from the wuxia epic swordplay films of the Shaw Brothers, Bruce Lee's explosion and evolution into Jackie Chan's Golden Harvest heyday, John Woo's police and crime epics, and the emergence of Wong Kar-wai - a director of intense visual and thematic beauty. This week Ibrahim & I discuss a visually stunning and poetic example of Wong's work; showcasing the after hours nights of 1990s Hong Kong, Wong's film looks at an assassin, his "manager", a recently escaped convict, and a series of questionable types that come into their lives. This is a beautiful film that Ibrahim & I loved and loved talking about. Take a listen and let us know what you think. 

Catching you up on the latest in Blu-rays, Erik Childress and Peter Sobczynski look at offerings from John Woo, David Lynch, Bob Hope, Laurence Olivier and Dario Argento. That is just for starters. Peter gets to weigh in on some of his least favorite films from 2022 and one that pleasantly surprised him in 2023. They look back on a new edition from softcore master, Zalman King, as well as a barrage of new 4K releases that include a real gem from horror maestro, Wes Craven, working a bit outside his genre. But they most importantly include one of the great, still underappreciated, works from Walter Hill and a release over 20 years in the making that would have absolutely delighted our good friend, Sergio Mims. 0:00 - Intro 1:02 - Criterion (Last Hurrah For Chivalry, Inland Empire) 9:49 - Kino (Never Say Die, Thanks for the Memory) 13:06 - Warner Archive (The Prince and the Showgirl, Flamingo Road) 19:15 - Music Box (Leonor Will Never Die) 20:49 - Synapse (Phenomena (4K)) 28:09 - Ronin Flix (Wild Orchid 2) 35:18 - Lions Gate (Seriously Red, Alice, Darling, The Whale) 43:37 - Sony (A Man Called Otto) 46:27 - Universal (M3GAN, The Prince of Egypt (4K)) 53:50 - Shout! Factory (Crazy People, Critical Condition, Dr. Giggles, Sorry, Wrong Number, Streets of Fire (4K)   1:10:57 - Paramount (Babylon (4K), The Core (4K), Red Eye (4K), Dragonslayer (4K)) 1:31:41 – New Blu-ray Announcements 1:34:34 - Outro

My brother and I revisit the 1992 John Woo actioner, Hard Boiled.

Versus (2000) dir. Ryuhei Kitamura   Stranglehold (2007) dir. Brian Eddy   On this episode we talk DIY filmmaking in the woods, with a backing soundtrack of a Youtube playthrough of Stranglehold, the video game sequel to Hard Boiled.   Topics covered:   Ain't It Cool News hype, the Blade 2 wave, Matrix homage, Midnight Meat Train, philosophy puts me to sleep, wolves turning into anuses, 666 portals, punched-through faces, who's the bad guy in this movie?, censoring Ichi the Killer, the importance of good sound in movies, reading the Versus wiki, Japanese actors, not liking movies when you're young, John Woo's Stranglehold, how babies see the world, DMT apples, movies on a $10k budget, David's storage unit gets destroyed by a tornado, Kelby's Pepe LePew get rich quick scheme, male feminists, the importance of iconic posters, and a rant about people who don't like our kids making noise. For our Oscar recap and our own best and worst Agitator episodes of 2022, visit our http://www.patreon.com/agitator.

Hosts Dominic Lawton & Ken B Wild are wearing double denim, practising their around-the-house kicks whilst sporting the finest mullets this side of the Bayou as they deep dive the JCVD classic - HARD TARGET! The guys discuss John Woo, their love of the Lance Henriksen/Arnold Vosloo double act and everyone's favourite character - old Uncle Douvee! Meanwhile, Dom attempts a JCVD impression, whilst Ken talks about the life, the death and the legacy of the snake that Van Damme punches. The film-pitch this week has the BMC bringing the Sam Raimi/JCVD Collab that was shelved in the 90s, to life all these years later! A team of highly skilled thieves led by Jean-Claude Van Damme attempt to rob the city bank during the Queens Day festival. What starts out as a routine heist turns into a fight for survival as they find out the vaults below ground house more than just money... it's STEEL DONKEYS! Cast also includes Tom Hardy, Salma Hayek, Keith David, Sandra Bullock, Adam Sandler, Paul Dano, Chloe Grace Moretz, Connor McGregor, William Forsythe, Clint Howard and Carl Weathers as Police Chief Carl Weathers! Have you got a question, want to suggest a film to review or would you like to send us your own film pitch that we will read out on the podcast? Email us! Visit our website for more episodes & written reviews : WWW.BADMOVIECULT.COM Follow us on TWITTER Follow us on INSTAGRAM Join us on FACEBOOK Dominic Lawton can be found on TWITTER Ken B Wild can be found on TWITTER Got a spare minute? Leave us a rating or review on iTunes!

Jeremy & Brian open the show with a brief recap of last weeks open mic show they hosted at Twisted Vines in Leavenworth, KS.  Dexter Doo Doo popped a cyst & now has 15 staples in his neck.  Jeremy tells Brian all about the first 3 Mission Impossible movies as if Brian has never seen them before.  Finally, the boys were able to get special guest Courtney Ricard on the line to talk about a situation brewing in Leavenworth, KS in which some local politicians are trying to turn a child's art into a political football.Don't forget to head over to Ten Seven Ten to check out all the other shows on the network!  And stop by Twisted Vine's Facebook page to like their winery & respond to the Twisted Comedy event page.Thanks again to Deezkeyz for making our new intro!  Check out all his socials!Reach out to us via any method below:EMAIL:  trytopodcast@gmail.com - record a voice memo & email it to us!TIKTOK:  @TRY2PODCASTTWITTER:  @trytopodcast, @aintnoswayze, @mustbethechoadiINSTAGRAM:  TRYTOPODCASTFACEBOOK:  facebook.com/trytopodcast 

Jason and Ryan face off over John Woo's excessive, overblown, ridiculous - and awesome - movie. Was anybody having more fun than Cage and Travolta figuring out how to play each other in a breathtaking hailstorm of balletic bullets?! Is this the peak of 90s Nicolas Cage action cinema?? All this and more unbelievable story elements in a Cinema Drive episode that will take your face...off.The Deep Question: If you had the opportunity to switch faces with any cinematic individual, who would it be?This Week's Features:Face/Off (1997)

The ARK of E Podcast is Proud to Present ROAD TO RECKONING a New Limited Series Hosted By The Blanchard Brothers (Noah & Gavin) exploring one of the most enduring franchises in modern movie history. Your Mission if You choose to accept it, is to join us for the next 6 months as we anxiously await the arrival of Dead Reckoning - Part 1 on July 14th, in the meantime we'll be revisiting all 6 M:I films to date. And, we'll even enlist a few disavowed IMF agents to help us along the way! Sometimes you have to fall on your face before you can fly, it's 2000's Mission: Impossible II Dir. John Woo... Intro/Outro : "Mission: Impossible -aCID reMIX" by nARK Produced By : Noah Blanchard Released By : The ARK of E Network Support : www.patreon.com/thearkofe Contact : thearkofe@gmail.com , @thearkofenetwork

In 1992, the Hong Kong crime-thriller Hard Boiled was released internationally and blew the minds of audiences everywhere. The film established actor Chow Yun-Fat as a worldwide star and director John Woo as an absolute master of cinematic action. We discuss Hard Boiled's influence on American moviemakers, the electric performance by Fat playing a Dirty Harry-styled cop, the film's somewhat fraught production, and other movies in the gun fu subgenre such as The Killer, Equilibrium, and John Wick. We also debate Hard Boiled's legacy against the long and vast canon of action films. 

Michael and Rob get through John Woo's stylistic sequel, but is it really as bad as they remembered? There's guitars, slow motion, sunglasses, and doves, but also Anthony Hopkins, Thandiwe Newton, and Ving Rhames.

Will and Matt talk about a John Woo film they never saw and cover every topic you could hope for!!-Christian Slater's bad boy smile-The redefinition of 'stealth' in action films-and cryptobiotic soil!!BROKEN ARROWdir. John Woostarring: John Travolta; Christian Slater; Samantha Mathis

Artoun and Christina are celebrating Christmas in February with Christmas Carol: The Movie (2001) [Rated PG]. They question why they are watching this movie, debate whether they are having fun anymore, and actually commend Nicolas Cage on his first ever animated film. Join us next week as Cage reunites with John Woo for Windtalkers (2002) [RATED R]. Don't forget to rate & review the pod, subscribe on your favorite platform, and follow us on Twitter & Instagram @cageoldquestion. You can always email us any thoughts or questions at cageoldquestionpod@gmail.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/artoun-nazareth/support

It's episode 450! Which means it's time to talk about honor. It's time to talk about brotherhood. It's time to talk about Heroes. Bloodshed. It's time to talk about cool sunglasses. Trenchcoats. The plausability of smoking while also holding a toothpick in one's mouth. Dealing with trauma by way of the food  triangle. Whether or not it's a good idea to wear all white to a precarious criminal exchange. And most importantly, the concept of rice being the embodiment of one's father AND mother all at once. It's time to talk about John Woo's bro-therly duology, A Better Tomorrow I (1986) and A Better Tomorrow II (1987). Happy 450!  Feedback: cultofmuscle@gmail.com Facebook: facebook.com/groups/cultofmuscle Merch: redbubble.com/people/cultofmuscle/shop

In this week's episode of the AIPT Movies podcast, Alex, Tim, and Matt discuss 2018's ultra-violent Indonesian action movie from director Timo Tjahjanto, The Night Comes for Us! Sam Raimi-style blood splatter that raises the stakes of the action! Incredible fight choreography! Iko Uwais, Joe Taslim, and Julie Estelle from The Raid movies! Disturbing and cool female assassins! Surprisingly emotional use of music, and one of the best examples of “no fate but what we make” since Terminator 2! Prepare to be thrilled, exhausted, and possibly disgusted!In addition, Alex shares his spoiler-free thoughts on Skinamarink, Sick, The Whale, and Kids vs. Aliens!You can find AIPT Movies on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. As always, if you enjoy the podcast, be sure to leave us a positive rating, subscribe to the show, and tell your friends!The AIPT Movies podcast brings you the latest in movie news, reviews, and more! Hosted by supposed “industry vets,” Alex Harris, Tim Gardiner, and Matt Paul, the show gives you a peek behind the scenes from three filmmakers with oddly nonexistent filmographies. You can find Alex on Instagram and Twitter @ActionHarris. Matt is a terrific artist that you can find on Instagram @no_wheres_ville. Tim can't be found on social media because he doesn't exist. If you have any questions or suggestions for the AIPT Movies crew, they can be reached at aiptmoviespod@gmail.com, or you can find them on Twitter @AIPTmoviesPod.Theme song is “We Got it Goin On” by Cobra Man.

Welcome to your monthly worship service, where each month in this season we will be taking a look at 2 films that influenced one of Tarantino's films. Under the microscope this month is Tarantino's first script he ever wrote, directed by the late Tony Scott, True Romance. The films we will be investigating to see if he simply referenced them in his films or blatantly ripped them off are, Shigehiro Ozawa's, "The Streetfighter" (1974) & John Woo's, "A Better Tomorrow 2" (1987). Sitting down with me this month to assist in my investigation is the duo know as the Asian Cinema Film Club, Mr. Elwood Jones & Mr. Stephen Palmer. So join us as we get to the bottom of wether or not Quentin Tarantino is in fact a master filmmaker or just a scene stealing, glorified hack. The Asian Cinema Film Club: Listen to the Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/asian-cinema-film-club/id1282298451 Follow the show on their socials: Facebook & Instagram: @AsianCinemaFilmClub Twitter: @ACFilmClub Become a member of The Church of Tarantino by following us on our socials: Facebook:@ChurchOfTarantino Instagram: @TheChurchOfTarantino Twitter: @TheChurchOfQTPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thechurchoftarantino/message

Want an action film with birds? John Woo's your dude! Join Will and Matt as they watch this amazing piece of Hong Kong cinema starring a jazz clarinet playing cop with a taste for less than stellar booze!! Disclaimer: Language and Spoilers!HARD BOILEDdir. John Woostarring: Chow Yun-Fat; Tony Leung Chiu-wai; Teresa Mo

Prison, drugs and gang war touch three friends from the east coast. A guest co-host joins them and learns that the previous co-host was killed by these friends, and he fears the same will happen to him. On Episode 548 of Trick or Treat Radio we are joined by EF Contentment for another Patreon Takeover! This time EF has selected the films Blood In, Blood Out from director Taylor Hackford and Unman, Wittering and Zigo from director John Mackenzie for us to discuss! We spend a large portion of this oversized show talking about the highly quotable crime epic Blood In, Blood Out close to the film's 30th anniversary! Orale, grab your copy of Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, expect nothing and get everything, and strap on for the world's most dangerous podcast!Stuff we talk about: Patreon Takeover, MZ's glossy-eyed stare, The Offering, watching the wrong movie, EF Contentment, Cruise Gooseman, going to the theater, Watch/Skip+, Nasty Boys, Blood In Blood Out, Teddy Wilson, Delroy Lindo, Damian Chapa, Jesse Borrego, Michael Pare, Nemesis, Albert Pyun, Taylor Hackford, Benjamin Bratt, Tom Towles, Billy Bob Thornton, descrambled ppv, David Ayer, Harsh Times, Christian Bale, Peace Corps, American Me, Tom Cruz, Heroes, Fame, drug-addicted artist stereotype, Vatos Locos Forever, how you recover from tragedy, Richard Masur, Risky Business, License to Drive, Ving Rhames, The Thing, Thomas F. Wilson, doing the vengeance, John Woo, Bullet in the Head, RRR, Dashcam, Lanny Flaherty, Stuart Gordon, William H. Macy, Edmond, scared straight, Inglourious Basterds, Schindler's List, Helen Mirren is the bridge between worlds, Fast and Furious, True Lies, Unman Wittering and Zigo, John Mackenzie, David Hemmings, Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, Carolyn Seymour, Droogs, A Clockwork Orange, 70s film stock, boarding school kids are dicks, Benedict Cumberbatch, Serpico, spin-offs 50 years later, Hobo with a Shotgun, Kids vs. Aliens, Jason Eisener, Tales from the Territories, Dark Side of the Ring, San Quentin, East LA, racism in the lunch line, Menace 2 Society, Boyz in the Hood, Hollywood Pictures, White Knights, Miklo Ravenshadow, 20/23 Vision, and Hooked on Buttcrack.Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/trickortreatradioJoin our Discord Community: discord.trickortreatradio.comSend Email/Voicemail: mailto:podcast@trickortreatradio.comVisit our website: http://trickortreatradio.comStart your own podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/?referrer_id=386Use our Amazon link: http://amzn.to/2CTdZzKFB Group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/trickortreatradioTwitter: http://twitter.com/TrickTreatRadioFacebook: http://facebook.com/TrickOrTreatRadioYouTube: http://youtube.com/TrickOrTreatRadioInstagram: http://instagram.com/TrickorTreatRadioSupport the show

INTRODUCTION: I hold a Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Exposition, with an interdisciplinary in Literature, from Moody Bible Institute. I was one of two recipients of the MBI Homiletical Jury Award for outstanding preaching in 2016. I have experience as a youth pastor, pastoral intern, academic journal editor, and guest speaker. I used to be a part of the largest cult in the United States. In 2019, I published my first book, The Cult of Christianity, as a first step in addressing the subtle issues of this complex system. In 2021, I continued my work with this podcast!   INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      How Christianity Is A Cult·      A Look Into TCOC Book's Cover Art·      How The Church Exploits Vulnerabilities ·      Civil Rights Movement Implications·      Explained: Control – Contain – Convert·      Refusing Cake To The Gays! – But Why Though?·      The “Karen-ness” Of Christians ·      Fake Oppression·      Getting Over Self-Condemnation For Falling For The Church·      The Honor In Self-Deprecation  CONNECT WITH JOHN: Website, Social Media & Books: https://linktr.ee/thecultofchristianity  CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comWebsite: https://www.DownUnderApparel.comTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sexdrugsandjesusYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SDJPodcast.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBible (Jeffrey Kranz)o  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net VETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg  INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: John Verner [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: John m is back with us again to go harder into his very provocative book, the Cult of Christianity. Join us today as we discuss the ways in which the church mind fucks us, violates us, and exploits people's vulnerabilities. Also, I hope that through this episode you begin to find a sense of healing in knowing that if you or your loved one has been devastated by the.[00:01:00]You are not alone, honey. We are in this together. John and I are with you,and we will walk with you every step of the way.Hello everyone and welcome back to the Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast. I'm your hostess with the mostest, Devon Huber. And I have with me the lovely, the handsome, the talented, the smart, intelligent, brave, bold, and in touch with his emotions. John er, he is the John: host, John De'Vannon: er mm-hmm. , John er. He is the host of The Cult of Christianity podcast.And the author of the book titled the same. He was on my show before to talk about, well, the book, but then we got so deep into his history in the podcast. We didn't get a chance to talk about the [00:02:00] book, so I had to have the motherfucker back on so we can dive into this shit. How the fuck is you? John: I is fine.20, 20, 23 feels like a little bit of a reset. And so I'm, I'm kind of living in that head space of like, all right, what's next? Since we last spoke, I went, I can't, I don't think I had started back working on my master's in journalism. And so that's been taking up a lot of time. I'm, I'm, it's all online, but I'm studying at N Y U mm-hmm.And that's been awesome. I've been, been doing some religious reporting stuff, which is, is fun. I'm excited to kinda move towards that, doing religious reporting. It's pretty fun. De'Vannon: Well, congratulations. Congratulations. And all of it was a good thing. . So you're religious reporting like say for, for like, for like the university's press John: or like where Yeah.For right [00:03:00] now. Yeah. And then yeah, I'm already, I'm hopefully gonna sell my first, I'm actually right after we record this, I'm gonna have a meeting to hopefully sell my first story of a church investigation I did. Cuz that's what I wanna do. I want to, not just Christian churches, but I want to go into churches and colts and investigate them and figure out what's really going on De'Vannon: as someone should.Have you heard of the Trinity Foundation in Texas? John: Yeah. You mentioned that last time we talked. I didn't, I didn't look too far into them, but I know there's, there's several. This is a relatively new thing that's popping up that's actually really, really important work. De'Vannon: So what you're telling me is there's organizations who investigate churches more than that one.This is becoming like a trend. Well, John: religious reporting has been around for, for decades, but it's been done in a very kind of general way. And I think there's being a small push to be like, let's actually look at individual, like if someone is whistle blowing on their [00:04:00] church or is like giving us leads about a specific church, that it should be fair game and we should investigate them like we would any other business.De'Vannon: Right. Well, I wish you success with that as you get going and keep going, be sure to let me know if there's anything that I can do for you because, you know, I don't give a fuck about churches, but I give all the fucks. I give all the fucks about Christ as I always say. Mm-hmm. , but the church. Yay Jesus. And that's the way that, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.Now, before we get too much into this, I want you to tell me about that coffee mug in your hand. Can you hold it up the camera so that we can see Yeah. What it says. Apostate coffee roasters. You mind giving us a little bit of history on what the fuck apostate means and where you got that from? Yeah.John: Apostates just a derogatory term that different cults and religions have thrown at people who, typically it's someone who, like me, who used to be a part of the faith and is no longer [00:05:00] but it's, it's more broadly a pro. A similar word would be something like heretic. But the, yeah, so prostate coffee roasters, they're this coffee company that is run by ex Mormons and Mormons are not allowed to drink coffee.So it's a very like, empowering thing for them to roast their own coffee and make it so they're awesome. Love 'em to death. They're great. Make good coffee. So their De'Vannon: whole show is one big clap back. Not the whole show. Their whole fucking concept is one big clap back. Mm-hmm. . So do you have any idea why Mormons think coffee is Satan?Why do they think coffee is of the devil? John: Yeah. I don't know personally too much. You know, I didn't grow up Mormon or anything. I do know that just in my studies of Colts , what they do is one move to do is to control what people eat and drink. You know, in Southern Baptist culture that looks like alcohol [00:06:00] you know, in, in certain pockets of Christianity, historically there was only certain kinds of bread you could use for communion.Anytime you're trying to regulate what people are eat, eating, you're regulating what they're putting into their body. That's just a, that's just a very like kind of you've mentioned stuff like hypnosis. It's, it's a very like, Kind of mind numbing way to control a person is to control what they eat and drink.The other big one I talk about a lot is controlling what you wear. That's like a, that's a big thing that pops up in different cults. You'll see usually a distinction between how clergy dress and the followers and how people dress on Sunday versus the rest of the days is common in Christian circles.So basically if you can control what someone expresses and you can control what someone intakes, it's very easy to control their mind cuz you're already controlling their body. . [00:07:00] Mm. So that would be my, my, my spin on it. I don't know the theo, I don't know what theological reason they made up for coffee.Like I, I'm sure there's some, I'm sure somebody said it was you know, too addicting at some point is probably the modern version, I would assume. De'Vannon: Well, if that was the case, at least those bastards were even across the board, you know, unlike say the Pentecostals who were like, that was show not drinketh of the vine, but they're gross in a fucking gallon of coffee in the back every Sunday and like that.But that's all good, right? . John: Yeah. Well that's also, yeah, especially, especially if they go the grape juice route too, because even grape juice is from a vine. So that's kind of. , De'Vannon: it's all silly. The marijuana, the L s D mm-hmm , the shrooms, the coffee beans, the grapes, and any of their derivatives is something that is of the Lord.And it is not for humans to tell us what the fuck. We can't do really with [00:08:00] anything, but it's certainly not anything that grew up out the fucking dirt. Hmm. So, speaking of artistic expressions, cuz you're also fucking artistic. I mentioned the, the cover for your podcast the last time, but I wanted to talk about that again because I feel like it's just so enigmatic and so polarized and you have this big, huge fucker standing on like a pedestal and his little minions bowing before them for him sucking his dick or whatever the case may be, paying HOK in some way.And the interesting thing is you can't tell whether or not that's supposed to be a preacher, a rabbi, a pope, a pastor that's supposed to be God, you know, or Jesus or some like sort of deity. , and I know you said it before, but I'd like you to just tell us again why you went with this cover art, because I think it's so true.John: Well, this is a, every so humans like categories we like [00:09:00] to find a group. We like to label things as good and bad. And there's not necessarily anything wrong with that. That's just kind of how our brains work. And the problem is we've got kind of this weird concept of good guys and bad guys, and the church is pretending to be the good guys while they're being the bad guys.But you end up having to label specific things that are wrong because there's so many goodhearted people in. . And so a lot of times when I critique Christianity, people wanna spend the conversation of, well, you're not critiquing Christianity. You're critiquing this version of Christianity, which isn't necessarily wrong, I am way more focused on White American evangelicalism than the rest of it.But White American evangelicalism was not a term when there were slavery in the us. There it existed, but we hadn't [00:10:00] labeled it that yet. The Crusades, the was not only white people, was not American people and was certainly not evangelicals, but the Crusades were bad . And it stemmed from their beliefs their Christian beliefs.So I can't say everything all at once. , but what I hope the art communicates is the, the problem that I've spotted, the category that I think everything else falls from is the idea of leaders and followers of other people submitting to someone else. I don't really, I, I think it's worth bringing up white supremacy.I think it's worth bringing up patriarchy. I think all those things are very much worth talking about, but I don't think it's the only thing going on. I think we have a we're, we're sometimes scared, and I think we've been made to be scared of pointing out that what's really going on in churches is that cult structure of one man with [00:11:00] other people having the knee bow to him either literally or metaphorically.So again, the art is, is purposely vague because I think unless there's some fundamental changes 40 years from now when evangelicalism won't exist, it will be gone. We won't be calling anyone an evangelical anymore. The same problems, the same structure, the same issues will still be present unless there's foundational changes.Chow, I'm De'Vannon: getting Game of Thrones flashbacks. Okay. Like, how many season is it gonna take to get you to bend the knee? John Snow, get on down there. Boy. and motherfucking service. Yo, queen God damnit. And so . John: Yeah. Well seasons is an interesting way of thinking about it. Both television and, and you know, weather or whatever.But it's true. Like there's seasons of Christianity that that kind of come and go. But what seems to remain is that structure of one person being in charge of others or [00:12:00] multiple people being in charge of multiple others. But there's always that hierarchy. So again, I, I have tried to update the art before, but I think it, I think it's just the, it, it's, it's about what I'm talking about most specifically.You know, that my art. on that is in line with the problem I'm trying to point to. There's many other people who are doing great work to dismantle white Evangelicalism and I support all those people. But to me, that's not my niche. That's not what I'm trying to talk about. Hmm. Then De'Vannon: tell us like it, you know, and make it official here.What, what are you trying to talk about? What is your mission in this world? Hmm. John: I'm not just against Christianity, I'm against cults. I just know how much of a cult Christianity is. Hmm. And the reason I'm against cults is it's an erase. It erases people's identity. It makes their vulnerabilities their whole personhood.It [00:13:00] it, it limits them to a very narrow way of. , and I think there's cult speak outside of, you know, there's a lot of cult speak in the business world. There's a lot of cult speaking, just American culture when it comes to politics. So I'm against all of it across the board, the one I'm just super familiar with, and can get very detailed and very like you know, just kind of a prime example.And unfortunately a very big example in the US is Christianity. And one of the ways, it's the biggest example is it's absurd that the largest cult is the most protected class of people in the country. Like, that's concerning to me. We have an organiza a loosely organized group of people that are protected by constitutional rights and legal rights more than anyone.and they're not oppressed, but they're that protected and that's a very dangerous, as we've seen, very dangerous combination. So they're worth talking about the most, and it's the one I can [00:14:00] talk about the most, but I'm against cults across the board. I'm not just bitter about my church hurt, I'm not just upset because of this, that, and the other.This is a real problem that really needs to be talked about in real ways and real solutions need to happen. De'Vannon: That's interesting you say like the, these ultimate people's vulnerabilities, their whole personality. I've never heard it stated like that before. So from from the people who've reached out to you in response to your book or your show or the work that you're doing, do you have any sort of, I don't know if we would call it a testimony, any kind of bullshit somebody shared with you that a, a church or a cult put them through that was particularly scary or moving to you that you can recall?John: Yes. To me. So I, I have two thi things that I think of with that question. One is, nothing surprises [00:15:00] me anymore. Nothing . It, it can still hurt. It can still shock me. It never surprises me. It only makes me feel like, yeah, that makes sense. And frankly, I only feel like I was five clicks away from being the victim or perpetrator of whatever bad thing happened, because that's what the system breeds.It, it breeds perpetrators and victims . I mean, that's just what it does. There's, there's many horrifying stories. Sometimes I avoid telling them because, When you tell like a really I guess salacious, for lack of a better word story, like someone who, like, you know, I have an episode of my podcast where I interview a guy who was kidnapped by Christians, right?About as extreme as it can get. What people do is go, well, those Christians were crazy. Those were the crazy ones. [00:16:00] Or like, if someone talks about, you know, this is unfortunately becoming, we're all becoming aware how common this is. When someone was sexually harassed or abused by someone in the church they, they go, well, that, that guy needs to leave.Like he's, you know, he's bad. And, and the church would, that church was bad, but you should come to my church. You should do this, you should do that. It, it just gets a little exhausting for me to kind of engage and. Let me tell you this horrible story because frankly, the horrible story doesn't change anyone's mind because the cult won't let it change your mind because your empathy has been pressure washed out of you.You, you don't, you don't ha the story doesn't tug at you because the thing that tugs at you more is you've been told how ashamed you are and how shameful your existence is. And the only hope for reming that shame is believing in Jesus Christ. And so that belief that's so firmly held is actually gonna [00:17:00] trump your ability to be empathetic towards someone's story.So yeah, I could sit here and I could, off the top of my head at least tell you three stories that would make a lot of people who are unfamiliar with churches that would make their jaw drop, but it wouldn't change anything. And it's very sad because we want to believe that people's horrifying stories change stuff.And I think it does and to, and I think it can. . But I think a lot of the times it actually ends up being counterproductive because the cults, the cult leaders are anticipating that they've already done a lot of work to build a firewall against that particular human thing of storytelling to promote change.You know, I no better example than like Martin Luther King Jr. Right. You know, told amazing stories, was a great orator. Not the per, not a perfect person, but someone who told a lot of great stories and who was, showed the impact. And we like to [00:18:00] pretend that that changed the church and up more positive direction.But did it, I mean, I, I mean, what, what tangible, measurable things can we point to that were changed within church culture? I'm not talking about American culture in general. There was great things that came outta the Civil Rights Movement. What did the church really change? Not a lot. It just changed their verbiage, which they always changed their verbiage.But, but systemically what really changed. So if you want horrible stories, I can give them, but that's why I'm hesitant to a lot of the time is cuz I'm not sure it's actually that helpful. De'Vannon: What you said is, look, you said what you said . Okay. Did I accept that when I think of Martin Luther King or any of the civil rights, I never, ever think about the church, you know, except for the fact that the church stood silently by why people were murdered in the streets and stuff like that, you know?You know. [00:19:00] How's it say that? Well, John: and, and I mean, I mean, even Evangelicals hated Martin Luther King Jr. They called him a thug. They. There, there's a letter from the guy who wrote the Left Behind books. There's a letter from him to Wheaton College because they had a memorial service after King was shot.And he said, how could you celebrate the life of this man? They didn't just passively like, not like m l K, they hated him. Jerry Falwell hated Martin Luther King Jr. Because he was for segregation. So like, and again, like I, I, you know, I know this is an intense topic to go to right off the bat, , but, but I just think, I think we, I think sometimes those of us who have left the church think if we just tell enough stories of how bad we've been hurt, Christians will change.They don't give a shit. They don't, and it's, and some of it's not even their fault. A lot of the followers have been brainwashed to not give a shit. And [00:20:00] so the, the best hope is we can, with our stories, what we can do is help people who have already left know that they're not alone. Which is huge and that's really important work and people who are looking for a way out might find the way out.But if you're talking about systemically changing what cult leaders are gonna do it, it ain't gonna do shit. De'Vannon: Right. I concur. So, you know, that's why like in my ministry, man, I am preaching not to church people, but the people who have already been hurt or people who, who know people and love people who have been hurt because people don't go to church for the betterment of humanity.People go to church for entirely selfish reasons, to keep themselves outta hell, to work out their own self, soul, salvation, whatever it is. They're going there to get their blessing, their miracle. They're come up, they're not going there cuz they give a fuck about you. And then so yeah, I concur. There is no talking to them hardheaded people.Like if they're setting up there every god damn Sunday or whatever, they're not gonna be able to hear us [00:21:00] because they're constantly being re indoctrinated and re hypnotized by the big man up on stage or we god damn week. or the woman or the who of the fuck ever twirling about. So yeah, they're a lost cause shot of a miracle.John: Yeah. I, or also just explaining systemically what happens, you know, if you, if you're able to generalize it more than just a specific person, like one person's story and you can show them the patterns. You know, I used to be a cult leader, you know, I studied to be a pastor. I got out, I was hardheaded then.But the reason I got out was not because I heard a story that was finally, you know, enough, it was cuz I kept seeing the same thing over and over again. And I was like, this is just how a cult operates. And I was in denial about it. So I think cult leaders, the way you do reach them is say, don't you know what you're doing?Like, you know? Right. And if you actually focus the conversation on that and not just the extreme cases of bad things that happen, but actually point [00:22:00] to like the pattern. Like, okay, so do you have control over your congregation? . Like, that's a great question to ask a pastor because they'll, they'll struggle.They cannot give a yes or no que answer to it. But just be like, do you have control over your congregation? And you'll it then watch how they react. Cuz you'll see some interesting things. . You De'Vannon: can also ask 'em to apologize for something and get that same reaction cuz those bastards won't say they're sorry.And so, so now that you're speaking about control, I wanted to talk about, so y'all, his book, the called of Christianity is broken down into three succulent sections. The first one is called control. The section one is the sexual, the sec, second one is called Contained. Clearly I need to gimme some dick.Where the fuck did that come from? And the third one is called Convert. And you'll always, whenever you hear John's talk, he'll always say, control, contain, convert, control, contain, convert. And so, and that's how his book is broken down. And if I may, I'm gonna [00:23:00] read a little sniff it. That kind of echoes what you were just saying.And Howard, I had already taken down in my notes. Now, this is John speaking y'all, and he's saying, I don't recant anything in this letter. I said, holding back tears. I was feeling tired, dressed down, confused and hurt, yet unwilling to go again. So what I knew to be true, the truth was I had spent three hours in a boardroom that reminded me of the one I had seen in The Apprentice.I want you to tell us what the hell was going on here and why were you crying. . John: So yeah, so this is the first chapter of the book, and this is kind of, I, I, you know, my, my rose bud, my whatever, my my or villain or hero origin story, depending on how you look at it. So I was 16 years old going to a pretty stuffy church Presbyterian church, p c a for whoever that means [00:24:00]something to suit and tie church.And I was, I was angsty, you know, at the same time I was also in a punk band. I had grown out my hair. I was still very Christian, like, very conservative Christian, in fact. But I, you know, was around people who, you know, I, I, I was ex, I was becoming an adult, right? Like in as much as a teenager does.And the church was just ridiculous. And so, like, I, I had this whole rigamarole of, of beef with the, the leadership of the church. So I sent a letter. to email. I emailed the pastor and said, here are my problems with this church. And I had broken it into four sections of just like, they don't respect the youth of this church.They have a bad view of music. That was important to me cuz they were like, they had this whole, like, contemporary music is evil. They were like one of those. And [00:25:00] then they there were a couple other things. Oh, they, the way they hated Catholics actually really bothered me. The way they talked about Catholics was very not okay in my opinion.And then basically I'd told them I would never invite a friend to church here. Like I would never, like, do y'all want to actually save people? Because I would never invite. Yeah. So I wrote this whole long letter, sent it to the pastor. He forwarded it to the elders. I told my dad afterwards about it and my dad and dad was like, can I read it?And I was like, sure. I signed it to him. He is like, all right, proud of you. This is good stuff. . And so I told my parents that I wanted to face the elders alone. So we would go to their session room, which was a long wooden table, had like chairs on all around it. And then on the wall it had pictures of Martin Luther.It had Swingley and it had John Calvin. And then it had like these bookshelves that [00:26:00] were just like full of like reformation propaganda. And so it's me and the three elders I knew the most. And then for, for three hours they talked to me about how my long hair was sinful, which was the first time like, I thought, only crazy churches believe that, right?And they were like, no, you're trying to look like the world with your hair. And I was like, what? And then they talked about my best friend who dressed in all black, like how, you know, they're dressing in all black. Same friend was in the band with me and was just like, said, they look like the world.Talk to me about how I was the one who was disrespecting them. They weren't disrespectful of you, of youth. I was disrespectful to them and that yeah, that basically I, and, and I didn't confront them correctly. I shouldn't have written a letter. When you have a problem with someone, you go and confront them, and then if they don't listen, you bring another, you [00:27:00] know, the whole Matthew 18 dumb ass shit.And so I just, I, I was a wreck and so I cried. Eventually my dad came in, and that's the cool part of the story. My dad comes in and he goes, what happened? And, well, no, my dad comes in and actually the first things outta his mouth was who was yelling at my son. And it was a, it was a good moment for me and my dad.Our, our relationship only got stronger after that moment. then they started talking about the hair and stuff. Then my dad goes, look behind you. And there's like, you know, his wingy with his long beard and stuff, and he is like, and my dad goes, the person who sh what? I can't even remember the terminology anymore.The person who led me to the Lord, that's how they talk. The person who led me to the Lord had long hair. Like, what are you talking about? You know? and so it kind of got tense and then yeah, at the end I say I don't recant, which was a paraphrase of what [00:28:00] Martin Luther said when he was brought before, Catholics and, and excommunicated.cuz I thought that would be an extra sting of, since they idolize this man so much. that was the first time I switched from being a blind follower. I stayed a Christian for many years after that, but I stopped blindly following what church leaders say that day. De'Vannon: I like that whole recant thing.Like I was saying earlier that you said what? You said , I'm might, I might hit a bitch with that one day I recant, not it. John: Lost the fuck out. Yeah. It, it's a little dramatic. Well, because they, well, one of the elders said like, do you, do you have like, I want to give you the last word. Is there anything you wanna say?Because I could tell by the look on their face, they felt like they did something good. They felt like they did a good job of putting me back on the right path. [00:29:00] And I was like, guys, y'all just proved everything I said. Like, I, why would I recant anything? and they were, they were mad frankly. They were mad.De'Vannon: They always are. They, they were that way with Lakewood, you know, you know, when they, when the ki when the, when the kids choir director and the adult choir director were firing me from all aspects of volunteering for not being straight. Despite the, despite, aside from the fact they would call me in the office and question who I'm dating and stuff like that, trying to get all into who I'm fucking and whatnot.Well, I mean, we can't even fuck even doing all that. Just, you know, or hold hands or shit, I guess, whatever their rules were, you know? Mm-hmm. , when they offered me their conversion therapy package in order to stay and to be demoted, quote unquote, to an usher from being on, you know, camera and television and stuff in the more public ministries, and I got up to walk the fuck out, they were so confused, you know, that I didn't accept their conversion [00:30:00] therapy package.And they, when they were talking to me, they felt like they, they, they, they felt like I had hurt them and offended them. You know? Like, how could you, how could you hang out with gay people when you're not here, ? John: Yeah. I mean, when you, when you think, when you, you, when you think you're divinely appointed by God people aren't supposed to argue with you.And if they do, they're spo. If someone argues with you, they're arguing with the Lord. I mean, there's some who would never say, no, no, no, no, no. Like it's, it's, I don't, I don't have that kind of authority, blah, blah, blah. But I'm like, but in practice, like, I mean, this is what we keep agreeing to by showing up to church is that you're divinely appointed by God to do whatever the hell you wanna do, frankly And so, I, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's, but it's so sad, right? It's so sad that it happens to not only, you know, [00:31:00] adults or like people who've put a lot of work into the church. it happens to very vulnerable people. It happens like in my case, to a child. I mean, I was 16 years old and I had grown ass men ripping me a new one because I just challenged their bad behavior.I mean, this is what we were working with. Imagine if I was like a woman when I did that, or like, You know, or, or like, you know, not, not white, you know? yeah, like, I, I, I mean, it's just horrifying, right? It's, it's all about once you deviate from, the, the program, I mean, you're gonna, you're gonna experience some, some shaming at minimum.De'Vannon: Hmm. Some shaming in some shade. Yeah. Especially white men, they don't like to be told what to do and, and that they're wrong. They're accustomed to stepping on all the little brown people and stuff like that. But for the record, my brother, I think you got plenty of soul. You are always invited for the motherfucking cookout.any damn [00:32:00] day about to be crawfish season down here. Come stay with me. I got room in my house. I'll get you some soul food and fattening you up a little bit. , John: man, I miss soul food. You know, there's obviously a lot of great stuff here in Atlanta, but now I'm vegan, so like, so much of it is like off the table for me now.It's very sad. De'Vannon: So that means no crawfishes for you. Well, vegan is not. Yeah. There's no dairy in that, right? There's no dairy in, yeah, video1579991175: but John: it's a, it, it's an animal though. De'Vannon: You can't eat any animals either. John: Okay. I'm gonna have no animal, no dairy, some vegan De'Vannon: seafood shit for you. John: So some collards though. I can have some collards, which is good.You know, I De'Vannon: grow mustard greens. I got them in the backyard right now. Ooh. Okay. I cut you a pot. John: Let's goDe'Vannon: So the section called contain mm-hmm. march. Stuck out to me. In, in, in here. So I have long loathed Christian people for this fake oppression and things like that. Like what you mentioned earlier. We're gonna talk about [00:33:00] the myth of Chris and Daria. Mm-hmm. , after we talk about this whole people not wanting to make cake for the gaze.Bullshit. I like the way you said it. I'm gonna read a little ex sweeped as bugs bunnies, , sometimes racist ass would. Say he can't help how Disney dressed him. Sometimes he was in drag, sometimes he was talking to people in blackface. But there's a whole thing out there on YouTube about, you know, Disney and the different cartoons, racism.Go look it up cuz unfortunately Bugsy was in there too. So Romans 12 versus 20 through 21. This is from the book, says to the contrary, if your enemy is hangry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him something to drink For Baso doing, he will heap pointing cold on his head. So do not be overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good.John goes on to say, perceiving gay folks as enemies is [00:34:00] problematic in and of itself, but even if you do, I fail to see how refusing to give people some cake. Cake, cake, cake, cake scores you any brownie points for the God.John: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it, it is wild, right? Like that's, it's, it's, it's just, and it shows the contrary, like there's an evangelical message of we need to serve all people. And then there's another message that they're saying at the same time is like, but not if, I'm like, well, if there's a but not if, then the first thing doesn't make any sense.De'Vannon: And Jesus is saying, it is your most basic bitch Christian level. You gotta feed a bitch. You know, two people can be in a relationship and on the verge of divorce. I mean, if a pot of food is cooking, you, you can at least share that. I mean, yeah. Nevertheless, you've been commanded to do so. You're not supposed to leave people starving and without clothing.No matter how much you [00:35:00] disdain them, you're supposed to piss on them if they're on fire. It's stuff like that, no matter how much you don't want to mm-hmm. . So you conservative assholes out there when you don't wanna make me a cake because I walked in with eyeshadow on, just know. You're written of in the scriptures.You hateful ho. Yeah. Now then this myth of oppression, like you talked about earlier. Christians are a bunch of big fucking Karens running around something like. The God the world is against them. The moment they can't stop. I don't know, a trans athlete from participating in sports, then, oh my God, I'm being silenced.My rights are not being heard. I'm being so persecuted. Bitch, no one's coming after you. You just got told no for trying to come after somebody else. No one actually attacked you. . Mm-hmm. . I can't say anything more about this. So tell us who the hell, Chris. Chris and Aria . John: If, if memory serves me, I was telling you before we started recording, I, I wrote this [00:36:00]book a while ago, so I'm like, I don't actually remember all, everything, but the, that's the, the couple that supposedly got saved early on and, and really it was all about Chastity.Like they were like this couple that was, you know, like, oh, chastity is so great. and then because they're seeking to convert others. I think according to the story, it's Rome supposedly who throws a, i I think one gets fed to a lion, the other gets fed, burned at the stake, whatever. It's a pretty classic version of just early church persecution.There's a million different stories like this of just like different Christian heroes who were early Christians who, you know got converted and, and then they, you know like start, started bolstering the movement and Rome doesn't like it, so they killed them. 90% of those stories aren't true. They never happened.They were made up. It was just, it was just made [00:37:00] up. I mean, I really don't know what else to say about it. It's just, it's unverified. There were a few that happened and there was also some early Jewish persecution in that same time. That was absolutely happening. , but Jewish Christians, which was what they were at first did that kind of lumped their Jewish Christ Christendom beliefs with other sex of Judaism that were actually being persecuted.And so it just became this kind of whole glob of like of myth of saying that like, oh, if the people find out you're Christian, they'll wanna kill you for it. And that bread, like this whole martyrdom complex which is very similar obviously to a Messiah complex. And so yeah, it's just, it just, there's a lot of stories like that that, you know, you, you're free to fact check.Never happened. But they're told from the pulpit they're, you know, they're told the old, you'll hear a mirror million [00:38:00] different versions of basically like they were singing songs while they were being burned alive. They were reciting scripture while they were being burned alive. Didn't happen.It just wasn't very common. Occasionally there was some mob violence that was killing Christians, but it just wasn't a common thing. De'Vannon: I can't believe that the band was really playing as the Titanic ship went down either . But if that's what might not have, well, if that's what Rose wanna say, then we'll have to believe Rose or what the fuck ever.I want that diamond bitch, you know? . Okay, . So basically the Christian Church is a bunch of drama queens and stuff like that. And I, I, I don't know, you know what I want you to talk about, like, people who leave the [00:39:00] church and like blame themselves or haven't been duped by them because I went through that for like a really long time. , you know, it's like I was mad at myself, as they say, for buying this bullshit. True. I, looking back on it now, with a healthy mind, I was vulnerable.They took advantage of me, but I did not think that way for a many, many years. It's like, why was I so stupid? Why did I let them do that? You know, there's a grieving that happened in some, some self-loathing that came in there on me.John: Well, let me tell you a story. Yesterday I was driving to the grocery store and I saw someone on the side of the road that had a sign that said, Jesus saves. And I got outta my car and I went and talked to them. After about 30 minutes, I realized this was the most beautiful person I ever met. And guess what?The story I just told you is not. [00:40:00] So no . Not that I've just made that up. I didn't go to the grocery store yesterday. Oh. So the thing got me yo , I got, I got everybody. And that's why you shouldn't feel duped. We trust, that's what we do as humans. When someone's put, when something's put in a story form, we're compelled by what they're saying.That doesn't make anyone stupid. That makes us have empathy. That makes us like beautiful people. We don't need to blame ourselves. We need to blame people who take advantage of that. Now, I was able to just tell you I was lying and no harm is really done right. , we gotta now, but there might be a listener who goes, oh, I can't trust this guy.If he's able to lie that good, you know, fine. Don't. But the thing is, churches have built an entire system that took the storytelling, the beautiful storytelling of Judaism and just wrecked it for their own purposes. and added, took away, changed, edited [00:41:00] the story. You are not stupid for wanting to believe in a story that, that, that, that's just the thing you have to know.There's no, there's no stupidity. It's all on them . It's all on them to bear the responsibility of, of having power, of having and kind of a monopoly on redemption narratives. I mean, they've kind of created this universe literally where the, they, they have a redemptive narrative that is attributed to them.They should wield that power carefully, and they don't. So no. Anyone who gets caught up in believing it, don't blame yourself for that. That's, you're a human being. Don't blame yourself for very normal human things to do. And don't blame other people who are still believing it. understand where they're coming from.It does take work. It's not easy. I don't have a [00:42:00] magic bullet solution, but I just think being aware of why you fell for it is important. Cuz most people didn't fall for it for evil reasons. They usually fell for it for really, really good, important reasons. Mm-hmm. . De'Vannon: So a another quote that you say from your book, it's concerning these foolish people.You say, John says, y'all the claim that they are in a relationship with Christ, that their churches are their families and that they love sinners, but hate sin and that divine beauty is interwoven through all of it. John says, cool story bro. Doesn't mean you're on a cult. . John: Yeah. Well, and it's true. It's just like there's, there's a, there's an element of family that, that they pretend to provide.and that's fine. And sometimes it, it's not all pretend. Sometimes they do some really important things for each other. I don't see why that's intention with the idea that they're a [00:43:00] cult though. I, I, I think, I think you can do good things while being in a cult. I just think cults are bad things. De'Vannon: Just don't drink the Kool-Aid bitches.I'm just saying. Pour it upon the ground and run the fuck away. So then the final run, run, run, run for is run. So the final section called Convert. Hmm. I thought this was such a confident statement for you, for you to write, and I just, I'm just like reading it cause we wanna talk about hell and whether or not you believe it's real, because one of his chapters is I believe it's called a, a yeah, it's called a made up thing called Hell.Y'all. John is the most titillating, tantalizing, thought provoking. This makes you wanna dive into them like some good pussy or some good pussy. Chapter titles. I mean, the, the, the, the, the, I'm gonna read some of 'em. Slave Segregation, sorry. Faux wait. Merit faux [00:44:00] Meritocracy with a side of the Theocratic Tyranny.Selective History, the Myth of Oppression. Made of thing. Call held superficial and super fiscal. You know, the, the, the, just the Fuckings chapter Titles are art. You know what it's gonna be about. And, you know, shit's gonna be edgy and fresh and everything that, that, you know, that we need right now. And so, whew, chapter ta fucking chapter titles gave me life.So, so from, from, yeah. The John: chapter titles are better than the book. So , De'Vannon: that right there is exactly what I'm gonna read now. You exude so much fucking confidence because of the way you're able to slay yourself and kind of make fun of yourself, but then not really, you know, you have to have like the biggest pp or just not even care because you, you just, you're just so like authentically you and you're so like, relaxed about it.Y'all, this is what John says about himself growing up. He says, I doubt [00:45:00] I am the only one to have grown up dabbling in mature discussion topic. It is way too. Wait, what the fuck? Wait, wait. Lemme say that again. I doubt I'm the only one that have grown up dabbling, mature discussion topics way too young to remember being younger than 10 and debating with my cousins over suspicion about who goes to hell.Young is honestly, I'm sure of any philosophers, theologians, our professional commentators, communicators have been around or had been around for this adolescent think tank vomit, would escape from their mouths quicker than corrections even. So good for us for trying to figure out life's deepest questions.And I thought, how, how? Just confident, you know, just to, just to be able to look back on yourself and laugh without being negatively critical. You know, like, I can't believe I thought or did that way. Ha ha ha, ha ha. But here I [00:46:00] am today, so. Can you speak to us about that sort of self-confidence? Where did you get that from?How are you able to look back and say, my God, you know, I was a mess, but not attack yourself. You know, just appreciate where you were then while taking in where you are now. Make jokes about it and just go on swinging your big dick through life, . John: So how do you Well, I was gonna say, I was gonna say the large penis is most of itBut I, no, I think it's so here's the thing. Truth be told, most of my friends would not describe me as confident. Writing provides a, allows me to be the best version of myself. And so what comes across in my writing as confidence is probably what I want to be. It's not always what I am. [00:47:00] The other answer I'll give is therapy.I, I punish and it used to be worse. So I've come a long way, but I punish myself for some of who I was. But I had a therapist. Tell me once how many years is enough to punish you for what you did? On very different things, you know? I mean, I have a, I have a lot of shame about all sorts of things I wish I had done differently in life.But what's, but what's my sentence, right? Like, what, what, what, how long do I have to negatively talk about who I was before? It's enough, before enough time has passed, before I've given myself enough lashes, so to speak. Like, what's the number? Put a number to it. And when she said that to me, it kind of, just reshaped how I thought about things.I'm like, there really isn't anything [00:48:00] stopping me from being the person who I want to be. So that's a little deeper answer than that little anecdote about me talking to my cousins about hell . It was. But I think I, I appreciate you seeing that that that is something actively working on as we speak, and something I want to get better at is, and it's not so much self-confidence, although I, I, I, I, I know I'm witty and I, you know, I, there's just certain personality traits I know about myself.But I wanna love myself and I haven't figured it out yet, but I used to not even want to. And that's the, the biggest change that happened in my life is when I, not, not when I woke up one day and started loving myself, but when I woke up one day and said, loving myself should be a goal. because for a long time it wasn't even a goal, and I was indoctrinated to believe that it would actually steer me away from heaven or my loved ones, or [00:49:00] love in general.If I tried to love myself, I would become selfish. I would become sinful. I would become self-serving because the only way, proper way to love yourself would be to love God. I don't agree with that anymore. I, I think that I th first off, there's a trope going around that's been going around for a while, that you have to love yourself before you can love other people.Bullshit. I'm calling bullshit on it. You can love people so deeply while you hate yourself. You can, you can have all sorts of love. The, the, the, the truth behind that trope is it will not be sustained. You can't sustain love for other people if you're not actively practicing love with yourself.Because love is a practice. It's not just like a thing, you can't help. It takes work, it takes choices. It does take feelings, but it takes controlled [00:50:00] feelings. It takes managed feelings. And for most people it takes some therapy. And therapy can look different for different people. It doesn't have to be sitting on a couch.You know, I, I used to do activity therapy with my therapist going on walks. You know there's all sorts of things you can do for you, and no one's gonna know what you need more than you. But yeah, I, when I look back at my past self, I do feel a lot of shame. But the fact that my goal is to not makes all the difference in the.De'Vannon: Well, I hope you overcome all of that. And I just, there no, remember Jesus being on the cross where I think he had a murder on one hand and a thief on the other? And you know, the Lord says the only sin he won't forgive you for is if you blaspheme the Holy Ghost, which is not something really easy to do.I don't think most people even know what the fuck that means. And so that doesn't mean that as a human we don't have to work through, you know, shame and [00:51:00] guilt. But, you know, I just always like to remind people, you know, and you of that, you know, all things are forgiven no matter what, you know, you know, according to the word of, of Jesus and his work on the cross.So this means a murdering people, oh God, fuck y'all. I'm not saying go out and slice people down, just thinking, go run to the church and ask for forgiveness. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying like, if you're sitting in jail somewhere and you done done it and it's been 20 years and you killed whatever person, Okay, that's over.Now, you know, you have a path forward, but Jesus does require us to tell the truth about everything, you know, to make whatever amends we can to people realistically, you know, and safely, you know, if the person's around, he wants us to as, as, as he says, leave our gift at the altar and go get right with the person.And not to let the sun go down on our anger. But there is always redemption. There is always grace, is grace is sufficient for us. No matter what you have done, you just don't blast being the Holy Ghost. Everything else. It's fine. I regret having sold so many god damn narcotics to people who I [00:52:00]could tell were too, were so weak-willed that I could bend them, you know, to, to my, to my desire.You know, sometimes I think about that, but you know what? It's over. I don't sell drugs anymore. I hate the fact that I prayed on them in their vulnerabilities. You know, to make myself feel good. That's John: such a big one. Can, can I focus on two things real quick? Whatever the hell you want. Okay. Okay. Because pr preying on vulnerabilities is a big part of my shame too.Hmm. And it's really hard because I grew up in a cult that taught me how to pray on people's vulnerabilities. Subtly, not like explicitly, but just being in that environment and all of that. So that's a hard, hard thing. So good on ya. For, for, you're correct. I mean, it's something you can't change.It's not, you know, the damage is done. And you do have to accept that that was a u that [00:53:00]doesn't exist anymore or even more accurately. That's a u that you've done work to and make sure that you're not prey on vulnerable people anymore. And whatever small bit of you that was either naturally good at it or indoctrinated to be good at preying on other people, if you're able to change that about yourself, you are so much better off than so many people who are in the cult who cannot turn that off and have no mechanism to turn that off.The second thing is I don't think you need Jesus for that forgiveness and grace personally. I don't wanna take it away from anyone . That's not, that's not my personality. I'm like, if that, if that, but I just, I would, I would be amiss and offbrand if I didn't if I didn't say you do not need Jesus to have grace.You need yourself to give grace to yourself. Forgiveness is something you can offer yourself to. And [00:54:00] so I, I just, I, I have to get that in there of like, Jesus is a cool archetype, is a cool story, is a cool whatever for it, but you don't need it. And if it's too triggering for you, walk the fuck away.Get the fuck out of there. You don't need it. De'Vannon: I say both because even with Jesus offering all, even when Jesus offering all the forgiveness in the world, if a person cannot accept it or cannot conceptualize that as a reality, then it, it'll never, even though they have it, it won't be in their reality. So to them it won't exist.And so I, I hear you on the self-work part of it. I throw Jesus in there. John doesn't, why, why don't you, why don't you feel like, so do you think, do you, do you think Jesus is more of like a story if he was like a cool guy, do you not believe that he is the son of God? Oh, he is not John: Well, and I'll say why he is not First off, Jesus is only as much God as you and I are.In my [00:55:00] opinion is how I would spin that if I wanted to. Son of God was coined by Paul. Jesus never said he was a son of God. He does make that like illusion where in, in John where he says like I am the father or whatever. Son of God is specifically a Greek term that Paul was using because that was a more familiar Greek idea.Judaism did not have the idea of a son of God. The Jewish understanding of Messiah was not supposed to be a God. It was supposed to be an enlightened human being. So those are just things that developed later. So I just, that terminology doesn't resonate in my worldview. Again, I'm not here to necessarily dog on people's personal beliefs, at least of all yours.But, but I, I more just want to make that clear distinction that it's like what I like about Jesus. Is what's reported about him through a very biased lens, , and through like a very [00:56:00] like developed and evolved narrative, the redemption narrative that we've landed on with Jesus is incredibly powerful, and I think a beautiful story that is probably more beautiful than any other story in literature I can think of.And there might be some sort of value that you can attach to it. I just don't think you need to worship Jesus to get anything De'Vannon: interesting. Oh, I don't take any of this personal, I'm always one thing about Christianity in the, in the, in the, the pursuit of spirituality. In my humility, I guess it might not be too humble for me to call myself humble, but you know, like , that my fucking humility, my fucking god damn humility, I, I understand that not everything is known about the approach to God, the approach to the trinity.You know, I don't believe that I have all the answers and I have enough sense to know anything that I think could be wrong, except for in the case that I've had, like [00:57:00] something miraculous happen, like a dream, a vision, an angelic appearance, you know, a touch by the Holy Ghost, you know, or something like that, you know?Mm-hmm. , my personal experiences, you know, you know, are non-negotiable to me, but my understanding of word of, of what's written absolutely negoti because you know, as I've gotten more into it in trying to learn the original Bible languages and the way they were written in the cultural influence and stuff like that, I've had something like, wow moments.Like, what the fuck? Now, when I was over in the Middle East last year, you know, I was shocked to learn that, you know, where was I at? I was in the United Arab Emirates. You had an Egyptian tour guide and stuff like that, and he was all like taking us all these moss and stuff. He was like, , we don't believe that Messiah has come, you know?Mm-hmm. at all. They're, they're like, Jesus was cool, and they're all about worshiping God. They believe Allah and God are like the same to them, but they're like, N Jesus just one of the other enlightened ones, but they're very dedicated to their, to [00:58:00] God and everything like that. I feel like more dedicated than Christians are, and they're more real about it and shit like that.You know, if I, you know, I could, I could easily fit into, into, you know, the Arabic culture over there. So I'm not surprised to hear you say that you don't necessarily think Jesus is the son of God, because those people don't either. I, I choose to believe that they're massive prosperity comes from their devotion to who they believe in and the way that they treat each other.Mm-hmm. so, so So, so what you're saying is based on what you read and researched Son of God, and Jesus always called himself the son of man according to what I read. You know, but, but I've never, I've never what considered what you've said before, that someone else called him Son of God, you know, he never called himself a Christian.You know, anything like that. Or as you put it, John, you say, every man before Jesus came up with rules, Jesus got rid of him. And then every man after [00:59:00] him added more rules. Mm-hmm. . So people, yeah, people tend to like to add shit. I quote you on that from time to time on my show, I'll be like, John Vanier said this, and soJohn: Yeah. Well, and to be very clear, I, I, I admire and even dare say I'm am inspired by Jesus. But I just, I just, the only, the only thing when it comes to the practical side of things is just anytime my, like my alarm bells go off, when there's a direct tie between, you need Jesus. . That's just like a big red flag to me.Not because some people might need Jesus actually, like personally in their own personal life, it might enrich it, it might give them a spirituality. I like to think of it as a template. It gives them like a template for their spirituality. That's great. But the second it's pe all people need Jesus.Then I'm like, fuck no. I'm like, , get, get that, get that outta my face. Because that is, [01:00:00] in my opinion, going back to the artwork. That's what can create that like hierarchy is just creating that need for Jesus. De'Vannon: Yeah, and that's another thing. I have enough goddamn fucking humility to, to realize that not everybody's going to be a follower of.I know that, you know, as I, as I say, from time to time, I'll hang out with somebody who, who sucks Satan's dick, as long as they're not trying to personally hurt me, because not everybody's gonna be a Christian. Mm-hmm. or be a follower. I hate, I hate the word Christian. So do you feel the same way about like God and the Holy Spirit?Like in terms of non deifying them? John: Woo. Man, once you open up the Trinity, that's a whole freaking new, that's a universe. I'll know if you, if you read that after, after the prologue of, of my book. But I, I believe it's cut off into three sections. Jesus was awesome. God might be [01:01:00] great, and the Holy Spirit haunts me.And the, the God might be great is kind of a, a nod to Christopher Hitchens, who's one of my favorite authors who wrote God is Not Great. Because my, my answer to him is, well, he might be. , but probably not. You know, it's kind of like, yeah, the, I, I, I know what you're saying, but you know, I also understand that most people, for most of history, I think it's a very arrogant stance to to act like the idea of God is silly.I think that's a pretty arrogant stance to have. So it's not one I take when I say the Holy Spirit haunts me. There are spiritual experiences, like you said, for you, they're non-negotiable, right? Like you have these experiences that define your life. I've had those myself. Here's the thing, they are negotiable for me.And I would love to just say this was all in my head. I [01:02:00] can't, I can't know that , but I would love to be able to say that. So for me, I, it's a little different because Jesus, the character of Jesus is the one that's especially in evangelicalism, but in Christianity as a whole, is the one who's dare I say, name has been taken in vain.The most you know, as far as like using him as a character, using him in a very manipulative way. When you get to the Holy Spirit, like you can get really culty really quick when you start talking about like Pentecostals and like, you know, just some of the hooping and the hollering and God told me this, so it must be true that that stuff is yikes.But the concept of God is kind of, has no meaning because the word God means so many different things to so many, to the, to each individual we imagine him that that's like in the, in the proper sense, we imagine him. So maybe less dangerous than, [01:03:00] than. You know, saying you need God is probably less dangerous than saying you need Jesus, but I'd prefer you to say neither, you know and you need the Holy Spirit might be even more dangerous, but it's just probably rarer, you know?But yeah, I don't know if those are just initial thoughts. Again, because, because I'm not an atheist. I don't, I don't claim to be, but I think atheists get a lot of shit because people think they're crazy. And I'm like, well, they're certainly not crazy. I mean, they're the most rational of all of us.They, they're just, you know, I, I just, I just don't identify with it. But I, all of that to say I just love all people and I don't want people to feel like they have to go through a very narrow lens in order to receive love, forgiveness, whatever they want to receive in life. They don't need Jesus for that.They don't need God for that. They don't need the Holy Spirit for. De'Vannon: why.you say you feel like you're, like, what I would call a, like an indisputable encounter with God that I [01:04:00] had. I find it non-negotiable. You said you would like yours to be negotiable. Mm-hmm. , why do you say you would like to be, or you like still fighting against your, the church or your experience?So if God approached you personally, what you're, what I'm hearing you say is that, you know, it's really not negotiable, but you would like it to be. John: Why? I know it's not negotiable for you and I know it's not negotiable for most people. It is negotiable for me. How do you the, the, the thing? Yeah. Well, I don't, most of the time cuz I, I got other shit I gotta doThink about it. But no, I, I, you know, I, I had, I had a, I have a conversion story. I, I felt the presence of God or Jesus or whatever I, I assume as much as anyone. I mean, right? Like I went and studied to be a pastor, like clearly it meant something. I don't think I was just a full on narcissist who was like, oh, I'm gonna be the voice of God, like, da da da da da.Like, I don't, I really don't think, I think it was motivated. [01:05:00] Pretty hol wholesomely and like . I thought it was a, I prayed a lot. I prayed more than anybody I knew, you know? Like, I'm like, surely this was all real, right? I don't know. I was 11. What the fuck do you know, at 11? Like, I'm, I'm like, there, there's, and what do you know when you've been indoctrinated for over a decade?That when you feel certain things, it's definitely this. Oh, like, I'm like, you know, there's like, there's placebos, there's, there's all sorts of things we know about what we can do with our own brain. Then I'm like, I'm not gonna say it was definitely this, or definitely that. I don't know, and I probably never will know, but I'm not gonna live my life based on those experiences because that is that's cheating myself out of a very full life.De'Vannon: Okay, I see what you're saying. What you're saying is due to, you haven't been such a young Impressional age when you went through everything, you don't know if that's like some sort of P t s D, some sort John: of, or, [01:06:00] or even in adult life, you know, like there, I had spiritual moments, if you wanna call 'em that, like an adult life, you know, I was a worship leader.I, I remember very vividly sometimes I was leading worship and like, would be struck with something that felt otherworldly. The whole g the whole gauntlet, whatever a Christian can tell you about their experiences with Jesus, I'll see you one and I'll raise you one, you know, but but I just, I'm just like, but I'm not gonna pretend that because I felt like it was something and I was told to feel like it was something that, it definitely was that thing.I, I just, I wanna, I wanna have a little more humility than that and have a little more understanding of alternative worldviews. De'Vannon: I think churches should start paying all of us reparation checks, s for all this motherfucking mental health shit that we have. So yeah, the checks need to start. The money needs to start flowing the other fucking way away from these churches and

New EpisodeThis week, Jamelle and John are joined by historian Gillet Rosenblith to discuss the 1994 action thriller “Surviving the Game,” a loose adaptation of “The Most Dangerous Game” and a glimpse into anxieties and fears regarding poverty, homelessness and urban decay in the 1990s. They also discuss other, similar films of the era, like John Woo's “Hard Target,” and they discuss further what distinguishes the action movies of the 1990s from their predecessors in the 70s and 80s.Connor Lynch produced this episode. Artwork by Rachel Eck.Contact us!Follow us on Twitter!John GanzJamelle BouieUnclearPodAnd join the Unclear and Present Patreon! For just $5 a month, patrons get access to a bonus show on the films of the Cold War, and much, much more.

Lethal Mullet Podcast Episode #207: HARD BOILED   On tonight's episode the Mullet checks out the greatest of John Woo's Hong Kong era action flick's starring Chow Yun Fat, and Tony Leung. This is a spectacle of classic Woo with GUNFU, DOUBLE-GUN ACTION, crazy stunts, and an explosive tea house scene that has to be seen to be believed ... you gotta see HARD BOILED and listen to why it's a classic with the Mullet.  Give Lethal Mullet a listen: Website https://bit.ly/3j9mvlG IHeartRadio https://ihr.fm/3lSxwJU Spotify https://spoti.fi/3BRg260 Amazon https://amzn.to/3phcsi7   For all Lethal merch: TeePublic: https://bit.ly/37QpbSc Check out LM on socials: @thelethalmullet on twitter / facebook / instagram #action #movies #eighties #johnwoo #chowyunfat #tonyleung #hardboiled #lethalmulletpodcast #lethalmulletnetwork

We talk about the John Woo classic Face slash Off. Who is best at being who? What's with the weird hand on face thing? Can we eat a fruit for hours? We talk about: Luke's Sick, AEW, Molly is Bourne Again, Grease, Plane Stunts, Mall Goth Daughter, Magnet Prison, Travolta As Cage, Castor Is Better, Escape Plans, New Kid, Butterfly Knife, Blood Type, Gemini Man Spoilers, Replacement Kid, Dream Face/Offs, Woo Animals,

This week on S&A Lindsay is joined by Reel Early Podcast Host Larry Sternshein as put on a suit and swagger into the room. It's a Double of Jean-Pierre Melville's Le Samourai (1967) & John Woo's The Killer (1989). This is a Double of two film makers changing the game of how style and action are film and perceived. Plus with two of the most charismatic attractive men to ever grace the screen Alain Delon and Chow Yun-fat. Listen to Schlock & Awe on you favourite Podcast App.

Omg I'm so excited the day is finally here that we're reviewing Face/Off. I have a thing for these 90s action films and the crazier the better. What could be more nuts than a facial transplant surgery with little to no recovery time and a hell of a prison escape cat and mouse game? On this episode me and Charles have Manny along to talk one of the greatest Cage roles ever, Castor Troy. We get into the fashion, try to scientifically break down how this would actually work, and dissect the crazy timeline.*this episode first appeared on our Patreon---Get OVER 80 BONUS episodes on 90s TV and culture (Freaks & Geeks, My So Called Life, Buffy, 90s culture documentaries, and more...) and to support the show  for $5 a month! Sign up on Patreon or Supercast! Hosts: Lauren @lauren_melanie & Charles @charleshaslam & Manny Music by Den-Mate @imdenmateFollow Fashion Grunge PodcastInstagram @fashiongrungepodTwitter @fgrungepodLetterboxd Fashion Grunge PodcastTikTok @fashiongrungepod

The "Dirty Sons of Pitches" are determining that man... is the most dangerous game, as this episode's movie pairing are two films that follow the "Most Dangerous Game" premise, 1993's "Hard Target" starring Jean-Claude Van Damme and directed by John Woo, and 1994's lesser known "Surviving the Game" where Ice-T is on the run from hunters such as Gary Busey, F. Murray Abraham, and Ruther Hauer. Next week will conclude their "Double or Nothing" run of similair movie pairs. Available on Apple and Spotify Episode 367 includes: -Could movie studios actually start having their trailers be accurate now? By law? -Ben bemoans the success of "Top Gun: Maverick" while Nate admits some value. -The guys celebrate "Glass Onion" and its twisty fun. -Double or Nothing -- "Hard Target". / "Surviving the Game" -Both movies are about homeless people hunted for sport by the rich, and 1993's "Hard Target" is the first American film directed by John Woo, and it's that ridiculous Woo-ness that makes it so entertaining, plus Van Damme gets to punch a snake. Whereas 1994's "Surviving the Game" has a great cast and more well-defined genre characters. Both are worth watching for their own reasons.

The 2 Guys continue this week with Frank's top five movies from fifty, forty, thirty, and twenty years ago. For 1992, Frank's list includes David Mamet's Glengarry Glen Ross, the folk horror classic Candyman, John Woo's Hard-Boiled, Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs, and David Lynch's Fire Walk with Me. Finally, if you have your own ideas for the podcast, you can also email us with list suggestions at 2guys5movies@gmail.com, and thank you all for listening and your support.

This week we end Nicvember with John Woo's 1997 Masterpiece Face/Off, this movie is Bomb Ass !  Gina Gershon hotas hell even though she. is covered head to toe, John Travolta playing Nic Cage, Nic Cage playing Nic Cage, Peaches, Murder and weird Goth Lolita and dad bonding. Enjoy it baby! FACE/OFF! Face/Off is streaming on Paramount+Follow us on Instagram:@Gaspatchojones@Homewreckingwhore@The_Miseducation_of_DandG_PodCheck Out Our WebsiteIf you love the show check out our Teepublic shop!Right Here Yo!Follow us on Instagram:@Gaspatchojones@Homewreckingwhore@The_Miseducation_of_DandG_PodIf you love the show check out our Teepublic shop!Right Here Yo!

John Woo, Nic Cage and Travolta go even further over that top than normal... and it somehow works! Musician COmedian Kier joins Host and Corporate COmic Steve Maan to discuss it all Cal Murata and the Irish Critic chime in too.  Who gets the better role? Is it so bad it 's good? Was Joan Allen miscast? What's the best line? Is it just too long? ALL these questions and more get answered in thsi week's Mazan Movie Club podcast.  Face/Off on IMDB Home of the Mazan Movie Club Steve Mazan on Instagram Home of Corporate Comedian Steve Mazan

B Movies are the Best Movies   This week we get together to talk about John Woo's 1992 masterpiece Hard Boiled   A tough-as-nails cop teams up with an undercover agent to shut down a sinister mobster and his crew.   Like, Follow, Subscribe   and visit www.thepfpn.com to have your mind blown with countless hours of epic podcasts

The impossible has happened.  We have reached the 100th episode of the Bloody Good Film Podcast! If that isn't crazy enough it happens to coincide with our annual One Chip Challenge bet for Thankful For Action November, the MOST explosive fiery hot month of the year! This year has your two hosts placing bets on what film, you the listeners think is the best John Woo film of all time: Face/Off or Hard Boiled.Both of these films are considered classics of the action genre and John Woo is one of the most influential action directors there is so the choice could go either way. It's a choice between Nicolas Cage and Chow Yun-Fat for which over the top lead is the best.You know these movies are loaded full of explosive goodness but we need YOU to check our socials on Thursday to vote and help us decide which one of these films is the Bloodier Goodier FIlm!And Remember... keep it BLOODY BUDDIES!....#johnwoo #chowyunfat #nicolascage #Face/off #hardboiled #Film #Movie #Movies #Action #Horror #ActionFilm #ActionMovie #ActionMovies #HorrorFilm #HorrorFilms #HorrorMovie #HorrorMovies #ActionPodcast #HorrorPodcast #Slasher #80s #80sHorror #NewPodcast

It's a Class 4 Podcast Emergency: A Broken Arrow…episode!Brian and Cargill take flight and square off against John Travolta…'s agent…as they discuss what is arguably John Woo's most underrated flick!Listen and share before things go boom!

“Give a guy a gun, he thinks he's Superman. Give him two and he thinks he's God.” Here comes the medium-jumping sequel that was 15 years in the making, reuniting a cast of James, Jon, Leah, Ryan and Chow Yun Fat. Get ready for a Hard Boiled treat, from Midway and the master of balletic action, John Woo presents Stranglehold. http://media.blubrry.com/caneandrinse/caneandrinse.com/podcast/cane_and_rinse_issue_531.mp3   Music featured in this issue:1. The Essence of Tequila (Theme Song) - Serj Tankian2. ChicaKong (Credits) - Serj Tankianedit by Ryan Zhao You can support Cane and Rinse and in return receive an often extended version of the podcast four weeks early, along with exclusive podcasts, if you subscribe to our Patreon for the minimum of $2 per month (+VAT).  Do you have an opinion about a game we're covering that you'd like read on the podcast? Then venture over to our forum and check out the list of upcoming games we're covering. Whilst there you can join in the conversations with our friendly community in discussing all things relating to videogames, along with lots of other stuff too. Sound good? Then come and say hello at The Cane and Rinse forum

This week Paul, Jason and June are coming to you LIVE from the Fillmore Theater in New Orleans, and breaking down the 1993 Jean-Claude Van Damme masterpiece, Hard Target. The crew discuss the shocking lack of JCVD buns, this being John Woo's first English-language film, and ponder if Lance Henriksen is the biggest anti-mullet villain in movie history. Are you ready, Daddy? Follow Paul on Letterboxd  https://letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul's Discord: https://discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to Find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is Not on Twitter

Episode 420: Today on T.O.A.P., it's the notorious C.H.O.! That's right, comedy legend Margaret Cho comes to the show to talk about punk! Listen in as Margaret and Damian sit down and chat about the journey from Rock Against Reagan shows to discussing film with John Woo and Chow Yun Fat. Foiling a theft of GG Allin art, the witchy powers of the McDonald Bros, Answer Me! being the gift that keeps on giving and so much other goodness: THIS IS NOT TO BE MISSED! Also, don't miss Margaret on tour this fall! More information at margaretcho.com Also, grab a shirt for this podcast at turnedoutapunk.com Also touched on: Going to the Rock Against Reagan  Barrington Hall Self-harming as art Maybe missing the GG show is a good thing? Foiling a robbery at the Museum of Death David Cross: King Of Punk Steven and Jeff McDonald are powerful witches Paula from Frightwig working at the family bookstore Are Penn and Teller the Residents?!? Shit in the pit: The Farm Almost dying in the mosh for Pulp's Common People  Being in the White Trash Debutants  Working with John Woo Face Off The secret union of Degrassi Jr. High fanatics  English Kitchen Sink drama Answer Me! and Tarantino  AND MORE!!!