The Fangirl Business

Join Chrisha and Catherine for a chaotic episode where all of the things that can happen in the background at Catherine's apartment do while they try to talk all about the music in the finale of The Winchesters. Topics range from just how exactly Dean did time- and universe-travel, to his kidnapping of the President of the United States, his introspection and shift from an active fighter to a guide, the City of Angels and the City of Love, and lots of Destiel musings.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "Take a Stand" by Homer Greencastle; "Keep On Ramblin'" by Radio Company; "Baba O'Riley" by The Who; "LA Woman" by The Doors; "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "One of These Things First" by Nick Drake; "Watching Over Me" by Radio Company; "Ramble On" by Led Zeppelin; "That's No Way To Say Goodbye" by Leonard CohenRadio Company live concert credit: "Let Me Be" on Hannah Young's Youtube channelInfo about how the Ackles got "Ramble On": hermscat on Tumblr and Sharon87 on Twitter (Thanks, Tess, for the info and links! Wayward Friends, turns out Jensen went without salary for The Winchesters' finale so they could pay for the song--and a lot of work went on behind the scenes to get permission to use it!)Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

CONTENT WARNING: There is a discussion of suicide and suidical ideation as it pertains to the characters of Akrida Kyle & Lata from The Winchesters and Dean from Supernatural.  Please be aware and kind to yourselves, Wayward Friends. The portion that discusses this content is from 3:33 to 8:48 and has been marked as a chapter so you can easily skip it.In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start off the episode by going over some thoughts that have come to them since they started recording about the finale again in November 2023. They then focus in on the Akrida: Joan, their history, and their purpose, and discuss what makes a compelling villain and why the best villains always think they are on the side of good.   The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CW Music clip credits: "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne Jeremy Adams' tweet re: Why Cas wasn't in "Last Holiday"Misha Collins audio clip credit: Supernatural: The Long Road Home Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start the discussion with Jack and his odd behavior at the end of Supernatural and during The Winchesters' finale before moving on to talk about Baby, The Winchesters' title card and its connection to the Akrida, and the logistics behind Cas' absence. The conclude by reflecting on what was left unresolved and what was healing for them personally.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWSPNNash 2021 audio clip credit: Gayle (thank you to @alishabless13 on Twitter for asking the question and helping us to find the audio!)KSiteTV audio clip credit: GOTHAM KNIGHTS Misha Collins InterviewJIB 12 audio clip credit: Chuck Won on Tumblr (thank you to Veronica for letting us know about this clip!)Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss how the car scene at the end of the episode should have been, as a giant infodump, dull--and yet it was not (thanks, Ackles and Thompson!). They also discuss the clapbacks to the Supernatural finale, how dying and going through the multiverse changed Dean, the John and Dean role reversals, how the concept of reparenting applies in a very Supernatural way, and delve deep into Dean's monologue at the end of the episode.Finally, they discuss what exactly Dean is now, and the implications that might have for any future iterations of Supernatural. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CW Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine catch up on what's been going on behind the scenes with each other, the writers' and actors' strikes and victories, the ongoing trash-fires at networks and streamers, and their gratitude to folks behind The Winchesters for giving fans a thoughtful and healing ending.  The main part of the episode focuses on the various members of the Monster Club:Mary: Her similarities with the Akrida Queen's backstory and how her journey of healing led to different outcomes; her time in the portal and the impact of seeing all possible versions of herself; her decision to go with John at the end and the importance of Mary being the one to make that decision; and her journey from being trapped to living in freedom.John: His decision to address his anger and work on healing it; his state of being completely lost after he arrived home from Vietnam, and the importance of Dean and Henry's letter; the healing that's happened in his relationship with Millie; and his transition from running towards danger to running towards hope.Lata: Her immediate decision to put everything else aside to figure out how to help Ada; her strength/perceptiveness while under the control of Akrida Kyle; the way her attack on Joan complicates her pacifism; her importance in building community; & her journey from feeling less-than because of her pacifism to understanding her importance. Carlos: His immediate and ongoing Dean thirst; his voyage from needing to be the front man to being part of the band; his affection for Ada and the important role he played in stopping her from jumping the gun with the crystal; and his role in saving the day by figuring out how to bring Baby back out of the world between worlds.Millie: Her new communicative relationship with John; her continued strength, and the insight and help she brings as a mechanic to the Monster Club; and her care and concern for his relationship with Mary.Ada: The loss and restoration of her soul; the importance of her openness about the sacrifice the crystal requires; and the way the Monster Club rallies around her, supports her, and protects her in a way that we think she isn't used to.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWMusic clip credits: "Exile" by Taylor SwiftFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Note: This is a re-release of Chrisha and Catherine's reaction episode to The Winchesters'  finale, which was originally released on March 8, 2023. A full analysis of "That's No Way to Say Goodbye" will be released in January, 2024. In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine look into the theme of mirrors and misdirection, which is particularly prevalent in this episode but has been a running theme throughout the series. They also examine the parallels this episode has with multiple episodes of Supernatural, which all look at the temptation of peace and happiness vs. facing the difficulty of real life and its associated difficulties and traumas!  A big chunk of the episode dives into the background imagery of sideshows and includes a discussion of othering, autonomy, and what visual messaging the audience might have been given. Further time is given to discussions of spell ingredients, Macbeth, music, and thinking forward to the finale!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWJIBCon 11 audio clip credits: Aurélie Kitty at YouTubeMusic clip credits:  "I'd Love to Change the World" by Ten Years After; "The Viper" by Paul Lenart & Billy Novick; "Everybody Loves a Clown" by Gary Lewis and The Playboys; "The Tears of a Clown" by Smokey Robinson and The MiraclesFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk about the penultimate episode of The Winchesters, "The Tears of a Clown."Topics include: the concern about Ada considering giving up her soul; Dean's narration about the lies we tell ourselves and what self-lies he might be confronting; Mary's addressing of issues and John's determined avoidance; Carlos' continued therapy work and the ripple effect of an individual's therapy on their community; Lata's incredible research ability which saves the day again; and the episode's commentary on toxic positivity and the importance of facing our grief and problems. They also screech, of course, about ROWENA!!!!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk jackets and callbacks, Lata's relationship with Maggie, queer media texts, the implications of this being an autobiographical story (told from Dean's perspective), and the interesting messaging behind the song "You've Got a Friend", after which the episode is named. Central to the episode is their discussion about Lata's rejection of blood family above all else, and the implications it has as a response to the messaging of Supernatural's finale, as well as its real-world importance.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWSPN CE Jensen virtual panel November 15, 2020 audio clip credits: Its Daily Jensen on YouTube JIBCon 11 Jojo and Drake panel February 24th, 2023 audio clip credits:  Aurélie Kitty on YouTubeMusic clip credits: "You've Got a Friend" by James Taylor and Carole KingFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the way that the series thus far has been a healing experience for many from Supernatural's finale, Mary's response to Betty and to John's arrest, the revelations about John while he's in police custody, Lata's journey of letting go of things that were not hers to carry, the monster of the week (Erebus), Carlos' support role whilst maintaining his delightful personality, and Millie's personal growth.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWMusic clip credits: "Don't Fear the Reaper" by Blue Öyster Cult; "Turn into Earth" by The YardbirdsFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

CONTENT WARNING: This episode includes discussions of Holocaust imagery and the medical and institutional history of targeting marginalized and oppressed groups for exploitation and experimentation. Please be mindful of your wellbeing when deciding to listen (Begins 19:14; Ends 30:18).In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the troubling elements of "Suspicious Minds", questioning some of the decisions that were made and discussing the real-life roots of the tradition of the medical and institutional horror genre in the legacy of white supremacy. They also talk about what is and isn't love, Carlos' and Lata's developing romantic relationships, the experience of being a vessel and Roxy's storyline, the Akrida's plot to frame John for the murder of Kyle, and Dean's new photo. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWMusic clips: "Suspicious Minds" by Elvis PresleyFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

This episode begins with a discussion of fate vs luck in "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" and the wider Supernatural franchise. Catherine and Chrisha then move on to monsters and gods, the differences between The Winchesters' vampires and the vampires from Supernatural (and what those differences might mean), and how the episode's music spoke into its themes. The bulk of the conversation focuses on the scene in the Red Room, its contrasts and parallels with "Despair" and "Carry On" (as usual, no audio clips are used for the latter), and the kiss between Carlos and Anton!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clips: "Bad Moon Rising" by Clearance Creedwater Revival; "Americana" theme by Jay Gruska; "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" by Vince Guaraldi & Carel Werber (clips from 1966 Shelby Flint and and 1967 Johnny Rivers versions); "Cadillac" by Lassie; "Rats" by The KinksFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss The Winchesters' episode "Cast Your Fate to the Wind," starting with the diversity presented behind the scenes and onscreen and moving on to the themes of free will versus fate and how what we think we see may not be the full story. They also talk about Mary's biggest fear, the progress between John and his mom, Lata's inability to keep a secret, Carlos' iconic holy water hair commercial, and much more!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine delve into what they've affectionately termed "the red string": trying to figure out what all the hints and mysteries behind each episode are leading to. Topics include: What the HELL was Chuck doing onstage in the episode?; Dean's mysterious reappearance and its implications for the series; Jojo's Insta live and its implications for Destiel and queer Dean; The connections between this episode and Supernatural's "Last Call"; Alice in Wonderland themes; Lastly, the episode's music and its connection with themes from the show and fandom.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The CWSPN NashCon 2022 audio clip credits: ladywinchester1967 on YouTubeMusic clip credits: "Hard Times Come Again No More" by Jojo Fleites & Louden Swain; "Rebel" by John Moran; "Saturday Night Alright (For Fighting)" by Elton John; "Hang on to Your Life" by The Guess WhoFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

SPOILER WARNING: This episode contains reactions to and discussions of The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye." ...........In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

If you want to follow along with Chrisha's social media reveals, scroll down to find all the links!In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine do a whole lot of screeching about:DeanDean's birthdayDean talking about having an open heartThat freaking amazing Dean reveal at the end of the episodeDean F***ing WinchesterThey also look at Mary's strength in the face of pushy men, John's supportiveness and (sigh) incredibly romantic lines, Lata's continued ability to figure out all of the things, Carlos' amazing journey of rejecting the game, glitter explosions, and singing, and they try to nail down the history of Loki and Gabriel (which apparently even Jensen Ackles needs help with!). If you want to experience the social media journey of the celebration of Dean's birthday right along with Catherine, here are the links:The Boys Official Account TweetThe Family Business Beer Company Instagram Post Jensen Ackles' Instagram VideoJensen Ackles' Instagram Reel PhotoDanneel Ackles' Tweet from the Cast PartyBianca Kajlich's Tweet from the Cast PartyThe Winchesters' Cast Sings Happy BirthdayThe Winchesters' Cast Reacts to the Big Reveal The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: The CW, with major kudos to Jojo Fleites and Louden Swain for "Hard Times Come Again No More"Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In Part 2 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters'  "Reflections," Chrisha and Catherine take out their red string and have fun trying to untangle the mess of what the heck is going on in the wider story. They look at look at the connections between the Akrida and Supernatural S7's Leviathan and delve further into differences between the two series: beyond the odd ghouls to the watchdogs left behind by the Men of Letters and the different way that magic seems to work.  Yes, there is more talk about radio waves. Yes, they talk about the closet scene and the kiss scene and the reflections of Supernatural's "Despair." And they ponder the importance of Roxy's comment that "nothing of this Earth" can kill her. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers; “Can't Find My Way Home” by Blind Faith; “Time After Time” by Herman Hupfield, sung by Dooley Wilson; “Reflections” by Diana Ross and The Supremes; "Watching Over Me" by Radio CompanyFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In Part 1 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters'  "Reflections," Chrisha and Catherine look at the characters' journeys--everything from the psychological reasons for John's regression under pressure to Millie and Ada bonding to Carlos' knowledge of Latin. In the midst of it all, they talk about odd ghouls, the ins and outs of Akrida possession, and the implications for Robbie Thompson's interview with TV Line, where he teases that he hopes the reveal that the Akrida are from an AU "will drive some theories from our audience as to what we've been up to."  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWNashcon 2022 audio clip credits: Creation Entertainment Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Content Warning: This episode includes discussions of Dean Winchester's death. In Part 2 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters'  "Art of Dying," Chrisha and Catherine go full red string with discussions about possible AUs, the musical paratexts and how they speak into the story, and parallels between John and Mary and Destiel.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWVancon 2022 audio clip credits: Creation Entertainment Music clip credits: "Joan of Arc" by Judy Collins; "Art of Dying" by George HarrisonFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In Part 1 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters'  "Art of Dying," Chrisha and Catherine talk about barns. A lot.They also discuss Mary's growth as a leader, John's anger and his attempt at healing, Lata's powerful choice for non-violence, and Carlos' sudden silence in the face of true attraction--and how that speaks to Dean's reactions towards Cas.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "Pull the Wool" by U.S. Stamps; "All Right Now" by Free; "I Put a Spell On You" sung by Nina SimoneFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In Part 2 of their two-parter on The Winchesters'  "Legacy of a Mind," Chrisha and Catherine pull out the red string.They delve into the reasons why Mary and John's journey into Mary's mind may have felt a little familiar, why the monster of the week may have given us some clues as to what the heck is going on with the series, and discuss about the Akrida and what the episode's songs may be hinting at. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: “Windmills of Your Mind" by Dusty Springfield; "I Put a Spell on You" cover by Nina Simone; "Legend of a Mind" by The Moody BluesFollow us on Twitter or Hive @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

It was another massive recording session for episode five of The Winchesters, "Legacy of a Mind," so this week Chrisha and Catherine are breaking it down into two different parts.Part 1 explores the Monster Club's character arcs in the episode and the themes of lies vs. honesty and hiding vs. being seen. Of special focus are Mary's exploration of her darkest moment, Ada's relationship with her son, Tony, and the many, many ways in which John deserves being told to f*** off.Part 2? Yeah, they're pulling out the red string. Stay tuned!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWFollow us on Twitter or Hive @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Content Warning: This episode includes discussion of PTSD and John's self-harm behavior.It's been a bit of a wait, but Catherine and Chrisha are back with a MASSIVE almost 2 hour episode about The Winchester's E4, "Masters of War." They focus in on the trauma journeys faced by the two different pairs in the episode: John and Carlos, and Lata and Mary, and the different ways each of them face when triggered: healing and community vs. anger and isolation. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: “Everybody's Talkin'” by Harry Nilsson; “Masters of War” by Bob Dylan"Everybody's Talkin'" lyrics, as promised. :)Everybody's talkin' at meI don't hear a word they're sayin'Only the echoes of my mindPeople stoppin', starin'I can't see their facesOnly the shadows of their eyesI'm goin' where the sun keeps shinin'Through the pourin' rainGoin' where the weather suits my clothesBankin' off of the Northeast windsSailin' on summer breezeAnd skippin' over the ocean like a stoneWah, wahWahI'm going where the sun keeps shinin'Through the pourin' rainGoin' where the weather suits my clothesBankin' off of the Northeast windsSailin' on summer breezeAnd skippin' over the ocean like a stoneEverybody's talkin' at meCan't hear a word they're sayin'Only the echoes of my mindI won't let you leave my love behindNo, I won't let you leave-wahI won't let you leave my love behindFollow us on Twitter or Hive @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Episode 3 of The Winchesters was wild, and Catherine and Chrisha were definitely feeling like that gif of the guy with the red string by the end of recording this episode.From new character revelations to the dueling music narratives to the way that radio waves seemed to play an important role in the episode, they dig deep into the meta of the episode and notice some interesting connections between The Winchesters and the wider world of Supernatural. Also: Robbie Thompson, Catherine and Chrisha really want to know what you're up too. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "Restless Feeling" by Elderberry Jak; "Something Got Into Your Life" by Spooky Tooth; "Spooky" by Percy Sledge; "You're Lost Little Girl" by The DoorsFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Episode 2 of The Winchesters hit hard on the concept of monstrous parents, generational trauma, cycles of abuse, and finding yourself. From La Tunda, to Mary's relationship with Samuel, to John and Millie's fractious interactions, Chrisha and Catherine delve into and unpack the big and difficult concepts that this episode tackled.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "Altitude"  by Claude Perraudin; "Aquarius" by The 5th Dimension; "Teach Your Children" by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and YoungFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizJoin our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers:https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Chrisha and Catherine have SOOOOO many thoughts about The Winchesters' premiere. From discussions about all the new characters, the incredible music, the Easter eggs and the parallels between moments from this new show and Supernatural, to thoughts about what might, exactly, be going on with Dean, this episode has a little bit of everything. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWInterview with the Vampire audio clip credits: AMCMusic clip credits: "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "I'd Love to Change the World" by Ten Years After; "All Right Now" by FreeFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBizSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shop !Thanks for listening!

There has been so much promotional material coming out about The Winchesters  that Catherine and Chrisha have literally not been able to keep up!But they did have an opportunity to record about some of it, and you can listen to their thoughts about:- that slightly different version of "Carry On Wayward Son" under a recent promo- more about that Cas clip and how it might connect to "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Destiny's Child" - Henry Winchester and Mary Campbell- mother-and-child relationships―all  in this new episode!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "Carry On Wayward Son" by Kansas; "Overture" from The Phantom of the Opera by Andrew Lloyd WebberLinks:Example of epic music: "Centurion" by Twisted Jukebox https://youtu.be/ysavcCui_kITwitter discourse that got part of the conversation started: https://twitter.com/cursed_or_not/status/1574797177074831360

In this full length episode, Chrisha and Catherine go into a more in-depth look at the upcoming series, The Winchesters. After their initial full on "nope" reaction to its first mention, they share what led them to give it a try. While still having reservations, they discuss what, exactly, from behind the scenes info, trailers, photo shoots, and posters, is making them excited enough to delve into a new season of podcasting. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW; JIB12Music clip credits: "Spirit in the Sky," by Norman Greenbaum

The Fangirl Business is BACK with a new episode teasing their new project: the upcoming series, The Winchesters.Welcoming listeners both old and new, Catherine and Chrisha discuss how their previous season, which followed the highs and lows of Supernatural's Season 15, is informing their current project.  With a longer episode to come before The Winchesters' premiere, they briefly examine both their concerns about the new series and what made them decide to give it a try. 

Content Warning: This episode contains audio from Castiel's confession scene.In what is a very 2022 moment, Chrisha and Catherine present to you a podcast they recorded in 2021--whilst also announcing an official hiatus after having not released any content for the past nine months. Yes, this pandemic sure has been a ride! Join them for some Destiel squee and pain while they examine Radio Company's "Watching Over Me." They go on a deep dive about why they see this music as a song written from Dean's perspective after Cas' death, textually comparing the lyrics to moments from Season 15.  Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW Music clip credits: Radio Company, "Watching Over Me"; Amy Grant, "Angels Watching Over Me"

*CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses and analyzes "Carry On," starting at Dean's funeral and ending at the bridge reunion. We are including chapter markers in this episode so that you can skip moments that may be too difficult. There are no audio clips in this episode, as we feel that they could be triggering. Please take care of yourselves, friends.*In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine begin their discussion with Dean's funeral, and proceed through to the brothers' reunion at the bridge.  Along the way, they discuss everything from the way Sam's life montage invokes S14's "Nightmare Logic" to Dean drinking El Sol beer in heaven as they continue to investigate the many allusions to something being "wrong" with the events of the finale. Their conclusion? Given all that they have uncovered, canon for them ends in E19.Links from discussion:Supernatural Beer Info: https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/167499752865/hey-what-are-your-tags-for-beersign-meta-thanks

*CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses and analyzes "Carry On," starting with a discussion of the barn setting and including the entirety of Dean's death scene. We are including chapter markers in this episode so that you can skip moments that may be too difficult. There are no audio clips in this episode, as we feel that they could be triggering. Please take care of yourselves, friends.*In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the barn set and its connection to Season 4's "Heaven and Hell" before approaching Dean's death scene and the dialogue between him and Sam. Pulling out key lines of dialogue, they discuss the implications of what each the brothers said. Links from discussion:The Barn Set & "Heaven and Hell": https://twitter.com/NorthernSprw/status/1346493443321831428?s=20Vampire Queer Coding & "Carry On": https://404dumbitch.tumblr.com/post/640381858210807808/the-most-hated-film-of-its-time

*CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses and analyzes "Carry On" up to and including the vampire fight, but prior to Dean's death. We are including chapter markers in this episode so that you can skip moments that may be too difficult. There are no audio clips in this episode, as we feel that they could be triggering. Please take care of yourselves, friends.*In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine break down the structure and content of "Carry On" in order to analyze why, exactly, the episode didn't work: how it deviates from the trajectory of S15, and how it conflicts with established canon. They also discuss the visual cues scattered throughout the episode that seem to indicate there may be an altered reality of some sort at play throughout the finale.Links from discussion:Corelli Pizza Info: https://naruhearts.tumblr.com/post/173616333026/thedogsled-prairiedust-spnjohnlocked Supernatural Beer Info: https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/167499752865/hey-what-are-your-tags-for-beersign-meta-thanksVampire Queer Coding & "Carry On": https://404dumbitch.tumblr.com/post/640381858210807808/the-most-hated-film-of-its-time

 In this episode of The Fangirl Business, Chrisha and Catherine talk about their upcoming project, "Reclaiming Supernatural," a rewatch with a twist that will start back at season one. They also discuss their next steps, which includes a final deconstruction, analysis, and rejection of the series finale, "Carry On," using a literary lens. 

*S15E20 SPOILERS DISCUSSED IN THIS EPISODE*Chrisha and Catherine are back with an all-new State of the Fandom (SotF) episode, after a much needed haitus! In this podcast, they discuss this transitional period for the fandom and their own personal journeys post Supernatural's finale, and they hint at what's coming next for The Fangirl Business! CONTENT WARNING: While it is not the focus, this episode does touch upon the series finale for Supernatural, and briefly mentions some of the triggers from it. 

*S15E20 SPOILERS BELOW*In their overview of Supernatural's finale, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their personal reactions and the many triggers embedded within the narrative.Note: There are no audio clips in this episode of The Fangirl Business.CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of abuse, childlessness, ableism, misogyny, queer erasure, suicide, & suicidal ideation.IF YOU NEED SUPPORT:https://www.imalive.org/online/ (offers online chat)Text SHARE to the Crisis Text Line741741 in the USA686868 in Canada85258 in the UK50808 in IrelandIF YOU WANT TO DONATE:The Castiel Project: https://give.thetrevorproject.org/fundraiser/3037563Dean Winchester Is Love: https://donate.nami.org/fundraiser/3040106The Sam Winchester Project: https://www.togetherwerise.org/fundraise/samwinchesterThe Jack Kline Project: https://charity.gofundme.com/o/en/campaign/random-acts-10-year-anniversary/MeganCrockerIn honor of Eileen Leahy: https://www.nad.org/donate/The Eileen Leahy Fundraiser: https://www.mightycause.com/story/OfvepfThe Miracle Project: https://secure.aspca.org/team/the-miracle-projectGabriel's Gift: https://fundraise.actionagainsthunger.org/fundraiser/gabrielsgiftThe Charlie Bradbury Project: https://www.classy.org/fundraiser/3042431Additional Links:Here's a Buzzfeed article about the finale that Chrisha and Catherine both found helpful: https://www.buzzfeed.com/deirdre-t/supernaturalas-legacy-the-trauma-of-silence-1b17yhc5ye?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bfsharetwitterTwo “fix-it” fics Chrisha and Catherine found helpful are:“Carry On” by Castielslostwings https://archiveofourown.org/works/27648386“Being and Having” by tricia_16 https://archiveofourown.org/works/27678379PS: Catherine here. I say at one point that the CW is generally progressive. We recorded this before I realized just how much hurt the CW has inflicted to other audiences this year, including Riverdale and The 100. I have been so saddened and upset to learn all of this. 

*S15E19 SPOILERS BELOW*The time has come, wayward friends... our LAST podcast before we know it all! Join Chrisha and Catherine as they discuss all things Destiel in Inherit The Earth, including Cas' loud absence, Dean's self-actualization, and what they believe we may be exploring the exact nature of in Act 2!CONTENT WARNING: This episode delves into theories for Destiel and Cas' endgame, which are HOPEFUL and STILL STAND! We know how hard hope can be, and we know how hard saying goodbye to our show is. Please listen only if and when you feel up to it. We'll be here when you're ready!Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E19 SPOILERS BELOW*Chrisha and Catherine's initial reaction to "Inherit the Earth" was very much "WTAF?" However, after some discussion, and some delving into the details, their ultimate take is: "GENIUS!" Come along for the ride as they discuss the penultimate episode and all that's going on just underneath its surface.Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E18 SPOILERS BELOW*At last... pie! Come join Chrisha and Catherine in their most joyous podcast episode to date, as they squee and sob their way through Destiel going CANON! Beyond the squee, they process their feelings about the ship and what it means for them and for queer representation. And because they can't help themselves, they delve into possible theories for the last two episodes, including the excitement and fear of having hope.CONTENT WARNING: This episode delves into theories for Destiel and Cas' endgame, which are HOPEFUL and STILL STAND! We know how hard hope can be, and we know how hard saying goodbye to our show is. Please listen only if and when you feel up to it. We'll be here when you're ready!Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E18 SPOILERS BELOW*In this episode of highly delicious and nutritious kale-like content, Chrisha and Catherine start their discussion of Despair, including real world context, guest stars, Dean's dramatic change after the departure of Chuck, Dad!Sam, the parallels between Sam and Jack, Sam's leadership, and Jack's maturity. Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E17 SPOILERS BELOW*In this episode (the last one before the subtext became the text!), Chrisha and Catherine discuss the parallels between Adam and Seraphina and Dean and Cas and consider the implications of Chuck's revelations about Amara and Castiel from a shipping perspective.Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E17 SPOILERS BELOW*In another supersized podcast, Chrisha and Catherine begin the work of analyzing "Unity." In an excellently crafted episode that generated a lot  of big feelings, they hone in on Dean's rage, Sam's vulnerability, and Cas' free will.  Additionally, they discuss the nuanced way in which Amara was portrayed in this episode: building toward a redemption arc, which was interrupted by Chuck's abuse and manipulation. Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E16 SPOILERS BELOW*In this mini shipping episode about "Drag Me Away (From You)", Chrisha and Catherine delve into music choices, prayer in Supernatural, the mirroring of Dean and Travis, and Dean's continued lack of sexual interest in female characters this season.Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW Music credits: The Ink Spots, "If I Didn't Care"

*S15E18 SPOILERS BELOW*Chrisha and Catherine could not contain their excitement about DESTIEL GOING FREAKING CANON in "Despair" and literally started recording this within 15 minutes of the episode ending on the East Coast. Come listen to them screech, sob, and celebrate Castiel telling Dean that HE LOVES HIM, and share their love for the endurance of a ship that refused to quit. Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E16 SPOILERS BELOW*It's another supersized podcast from Chrisha and Catherine! In it, they discuss the hits and misses of "Drag Me Away (From You)", including the troubling depiction of therapy, characterization choices, and the way that the episode depicted early childhood trauma and its impact on Dean's current behavior. They also cheer for Sam. Like, a lot. Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E15 SPOILERS BELOW*Chrisha and Catherine discuss "Gimme Shelter"'s shipping elements, focusing in on Dean and Cas' parenting, that photo Cas used to summon the crossroads demon, and the problematic nature of Amara and Dean's past "relationship." They go on to muse about the series finale and what the effects may be for viewers past and present should the ship go/not go canon in a big way.Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW Music credits: Taylor Swift, "I Did Something Bad"; "End Game"

*S15E15 SPOILERS BELOW*In this supersized podcast, Chrisha and Catherine discuss "Gimme Shelter," which was split between a lot of cuteness and a lot of heavy content. They squee over Cas' return and all the adorable moments in which Jack emulates his dads, but then turn to more serious topics: the way in which the episode explores the dark side of humanity, the price of "gifts" from deities, and Jack's secret. Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*In this episode (recorded just before the end of hiatus), Chrisha and Catherine look back at elements that have been laid down in previous seasons as they theorize about what may come in the final few episodes of Supernatural.  With the relevance of the Garden fresh on their minds from "Destiny's Child," they start their discussion back in Season 9 with Gadreel, the Garden's failed guardian, and examine the mystery of what exactly happened in the world's first Paradise. They end by comparing discussing the parallels between the book of Revelation and Cas' prediction of a new Paradise, brought about by Jack. In between, they discuss heroes and villains, the role of Lucifer, parallels, and an ending tied to healing from trauma. Supernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*S15E14 SPOILERS BELOW*They've survived their very last (and longest!) Hellatus, and Chrisha and Catherine are back with an all new, super-sized podcast about "Last Holiday!"  They have an honest conversation about missing Cas, squee about all the cuteness from this episode, discuss the problematic ways in which torture and its repercussions were addressed and overlooked, and discuss the healing that is underway in the parent-child relationship between Dean and Jack.Special guest appearance: Gabriel the cat, adding purring to the ambienceSupernatural audio clip credits: The CW 

*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*Join Chrisha and Catherine for a 2-for-1 shipping special, as they delve into the Destiel subtext of both Galaxy Brain AND Destiny's Child! From porn jokes to clinking glasses to toddler co-parenting to intricate religious symbolism, our show (and this podcast!) has it all! “Galaxy Brain” and “Destiny's Child” audio clip credits: The CW

*SPOILERS THROUGH S15E13 BELOW*Well, folks, it finally happened: filming wrapped on the final episode of Supernatural. In this week's "State of the Fandom" (SotF), Chrisha and Catherine walk us through their experience of The Last Day. From the genius and viral "Thank You Supernatural" hashtag from fanfic author tricia_16, to tributes from past and present guests and costars, to messages from the show's leads, it was a day full of emotion: love, sadness, pride, and overwhelming gratitude. The episode closes with some squeeing from Jensen's recent interview with Michael Rosenbaum--and some very exciting and well-timed good news, which gives Chrisha and Catherine some hope for the future.Audio clip credits: "Inside of You Podcast with Michael Rosenbaum"