1 Thessalonians Chapter 5:7 - 5:14 A continuing study of 1st Thessalonians using proper hermeneutical and exegetical principles to, in keeping with the spirit of a Berean attitude and with the Reformation, whose principle ideal was Sola Scriptura.
S3Ep93- It Costs How Much... , Pastor Bill And Pastor Newms The Berean Manifesto Pastor Newms: [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 93, of the BereanManifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm pastor newms and as recently and almost always I'm joined other side joined by Pastor Bill down here in the corner who doesn't remember that his cameras flipped. Pastor Bill: [0:25] Much which side are you on now I can't remember. Pastor Newms: [0:28] That's okay I have to point to the left to get to the right because it's camera versus stage and it's, yeah yeah so how was your week Pastor Bill. Pastor Bill: [0:46] I was my week well we started playing a new game this week well new to me new update for you. So that was fun I started dedicating time to writing sci-fi again. Pastor Newms: [1:02] That's good. Pastor Bill: [1:03] So that was wheelie satisfying. Pretty much that's it I mean I did my you know much 20 hours this week on my contract labor for that project kids would School nobody got sick. Pastor Newms: [1:20] That's good that's good. Pastor Bill: [1:24] That was that was about it that's that's my week just, do my day-to-day and doing some writing and then playing get some gaming yesterday and little bit of gaming today gaming I would like to resources and building a ship. Pastor Newms: [1:41] Still gaming too. Pastor Bill: [1:42] It is technically still gaming yeah. Pastor Newms: [1:45] Sometimes game. Pastor Bill: [1:47] It's part of the survival games that I actually enjoy collecting the resources and then building the buildings. Pastor Newms: [1:53] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [1:54] All the go out and adventure and kill things and and collect magic staffs from pieces you put together yeah that's fun with friends every once in awhile but I don't want to go out and do that by myself in the game, what about if I just want to collect resources and build things. Pastor Newms: [2:09] Yeah that's that's the big thing about Survival Games is there's the the two aspects of the game there's the resource Gathering the surviving, whether it's purges or or onslaughts or you know different things for different games but being able to, have a base in enjoy those aspects and then there's the actual like game, part of the game where they've got quests and they've got storyline and there's you know and it's interesting with some survival games they have the storyline built in like you know you have to do the story the story is forced upon you there's other survival games for the stories just laying around in notes like Ark where if you go out and look for it there's no story there's very little, as you go through each of the dungeons until you get to the farther like original map I'm talking of course not like the farther ones and then there's a game like, Conan where it's an interesting weird mix of the two where there's NPCs that will talk to you and tell you things about the story but yet, those things don't help you unless you are out. Pastor Bill: [3:31] Really listen. Pastor Newms: [3:33] Like and it's one of those things where like they'll tell you something and you're like okay and then you go do something you're like. Pastor Bill: [3:40] Oh Pastor Newms: [3:42] Okay, and so it's interesting how that how that plays out with survival games which are probably my favorite style of game, and then you've got games like Minecraft that have no story and it's just creative building Gathering. Pastor Bill: [4:04] It's super boring real quick. Pastor Newms: [4:08] So-so so-so. Pastor Bill: [4:13] I mean I'm allowed to make personal statements about how I feel about things. Pastor Newms: [4:17] No you're not. Pastor Bill: [4:18] Minecraft is Just. [4:31] Yeah right I know it's the it's the concept that there is no Adventure there is no greater Adventure out there makes it boring. There's no hope built into the game, it's all just this is all there is just this is all there is. Pastor Newms: [4:50] It's one of the reasons I don't like Shooters is there's no like okay we spawn in we kill each other we spawn out yay we're done. Pastor Bill: [4:59] I don't like multiplayer Shooters but I like Shooters with the storyline. Pastor Newms: [5:15] I think that's my week was good I'm busy work is really busy, got a lot going on at work lot going on it's luckily slow down here at the house I was, not feeling good last week both the girls got sick last week. And so that was that was fun in the middle of the week had lunch with my parents today with my ants that were in town and my grandmother and everyone that was fun so yeah it's been a pretty standard week. Pastor Bill: [6:09] Yeah. Pastor Newms: [6:11] I hate it so much I hate it so much. Pastor Bill: [6:32] We're like why was there such silence on. Pastor Newms: [6:34] What is the most beautiful drive you have ever taken be as descriptive as possible. Pastor Bill: [6:48] Descriptive as Paul what doesn't actually say that. Pastor Newms: [6:50] Want me to pull the next card yeah. [6:58] Let me read this card instead okay of all the movie characters you have ever seen which one do you believe is most like you. [7:13] I wish there was a wee little monitor hanging up there for Bill. Pastor Bill: [7:20] I keep looking up at you. Pastor Newms: [7:22] Oh Pastor Bill: [7:24] But all that's up there is a Rubik's Cube stack of books. My my personal air conditioner. Pastor Newms: [7:33] So what movie character do you most you feel as the most like you that you've ever seen on screen. Do do do do do do do. Pastor Bill: [7:49] Nothing comes to mind. Pastor Newms: [7:50] Zaydie says, a person's name that I have no idea who that is or which movie She's referring to Phoenix says Forrest Gump which is interesting because she, doesn't run oh Cara from Riddick got it got it got it. Pastor Bill: [8:22] All the movies I've seen who is like me. Pastor Newms: [8:25] Mmm. Pastor Bill: [8:27] Ain't nobody like me. Pastor Newms: [8:42] In any movie is like me do we call this one a dud and pull another card. Pastor Bill: [8:47] Yeah let's pull another car at this was. Pastor Newms: [8:50] This is not a good part of my deck it looks like that's that's two cards. Pastor Bill: [8:53] This is getting to know as afternoon the ladies and Pastor newms is house was what that bit was so now let's do getting to know the past. Pastor Newms: [9:02] Punisher is not a good representation of me for two reasons one. I'm not that accurate of a shot and two, I'm not that physically able okay. Pastor Bill: [9:33] It's got to be retail. Pastor Newms: [9:34] Retail store. Pastor Bill: [9:36] A retail store. Pastor Newms: [9:37] Yeah you got to sell something what would your merchandise be. Pastor Bill: [9:44] I mean it's Gotta Be nerd stuff. We're talking like strictly retail. Pastor Newms: [9:53] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [9:58] Doctor Who start yay. Pastor Newms: [10:02] I would want to open up, A8 game / nerd stuff store I would have to say originally I thought of the same first six letters first five letters as you, but it was not stuff that came to my mind at first. You know some shipping material is nerd shipping material. Pastor Bill: [10:36] Look at the still high in transit. Pastor Newms: [10:38] Yeah you got a store things very high in transit full of nerd stuff boxes full of nerd stuff. But games I love games I've always loved games board games card games, just, all kinds of game stuff and then of course obviously I like nerd stuff, but it would definitely be one of those stores where you go into and you're like what is what is the theme here this the I think I would actually call the store nerds, I really do just think of that that would be the name of the store because there's not really any other explanation for what this store is this store is just nerd. Pastor Bill: [11:38] Now you just you call it nerd stuff, but the you is actually the poop emoji, not a you. Pastor Newms: [11:47] Or just new nerd poop emoji. Pastor Bill: [11:53] Well then it didn't it's you're getting a little bit too much to closer to the, in appropriate signage but if you say nerd stuff and then you make that then you know it's appropriate again. Pastor Newms: [12:06] Yeah exactly Phoenix it would be just random crap there'd be the the section of weapons that doesn't make any sense. Pastor Bill: [12:17] Up and was featured in one episode of this show in 1999. Pastor Newms: [12:22] Yeah this is a this is a stick that that was used to beat the third, King Of Who hovel you know just random crud would be the whole it would be just a whole store of just you know it would be like, it'd be like the basement of some of those specialty shops like you know like, on your way to Gatlinburg there's this huge knife store not that kind of specialty shop pervert there's like this huge huge knife store, and then you get into the basement you go down a level and it's like swords and, weapons and gems and rocks and crystals and you're like did they just not know what to do with the rest of this stuff like they just solved it that's a suit of armor what does that have to do with, okay okay okay, just movie memorabilia and stuff just a whole thing stuff which what. Pastor Bill: [13:25] If if we had been talking about like restaurant, I've always thought about opening a taco shop called Taco City but talks talk Cassidy taka City and then make the TAC and then the 0 is just a biohazard symbol, and alike, incorporate like every different type of pepper in the world into a special type of taco and be like okay now we got our habanero Taco we've got our ghost pepper Taco we've got our and use different levels of just just simple simple tacos but, you can get it with a kick and as Tha custody like toxicity but it's how custody I'm us. Pastor Newms: [14:08] I'm with you on it but but but the issue I would have would be the cross-contamination cross contaminate the poblano standard I just want a taco with one. Pastor Bill: [14:22] We would definitely go through a lot of gloves. Pastor Newms: [14:26] Yeah but that cross contamination. Pastor Bill: [14:28] Doing cross contamination. Pastor Newms: [14:29] His just you're going to you're going to burn some little wussy to death like I'd walk up. Pastor Bill: [14:40] Maybe we have people sign waivers when they come to the door right. Pastor Newms: [14:44] Mild Taco please and they'd be like okay yeah no problem hand me the taco and for the next seven and a half hours I'm just dead on the ground holding my stomach and crying because you're mean. Pastor Bill: [15:00] Because I mean. Pastor Newms: [15:01] That's what I see when I hear your thoughts sorry yeah. Pastor Bill: [15:03] I see I see okay. [15:10] So that's restaurant that's retail, and then obviously I've always wanted to open the. The long-term vision of what this you know was gearing towards that. You know life will tell I don't know. Pastor Newms: [15:32] Right multimedia conglomeration of random fun. Pastor Bill: [15:39] Random thing. Pastor Newms: [15:42] It's okay fine right up Christian themed random audacity random tenacity. Pastor Bill: [15:50] Christian movie theater. Pastor Newms: [15:53] They can also. Pastor Bill: [15:54] B Sharp. Pastor Newms: [15:55] That's a coffee shop and a bookstore. Pastor Bill: [15:58] And a concert stage and a bookstore like a just a just a general. Pastor Newms: [16:03] Center. Pastor Bill: [16:04] Christian multi-purpose Center but that doesn't suck. [16:14] Right leg. Pastor Newms: [16:15] I got you I got you I got you I got you I know the vision I've been in all the meetings literally. Pastor Bill: [16:27] I literally have literally been in every one of them meetings. Pastor Newms: [16:30] And you really had to edit me out of like part of one of them. Pastor Bill: [16:35] Right because you let your mouth get away with you sometimes you're just like I flew a I do. Pastor Newms: [16:40] I do I do, I am very passionate and I have been asked to not preach on several stages in the past due to my mouth getting, ahead of myself and. Pastor Bill: [16:59] In ex calls it the unsexy Christian multi shop. Pastor Newms: [17:02] Multi stop it says. Pastor Bill: [17:04] I've stopped my Af my bad multi stuff. The unsexy Christian multi stop. Pastor Newms: [17:10] You should work that phrase into our business plan somewhere for the for the church. Our goal is to one day be a nun sucky Christian music stop multi stop yeah I've in the past. Pastor Bill: [17:28] You can get one of these if you give us lots of money and you come and you be like Morty stuff. Multi-star. Pastor Newms: [17:38] Most Estep yeah it's funny I joke about that but I have actually been asked twice when, places where my mouth is gotten I get very passionate when I'm preaching and then tend to. Pastor Bill: [18:14] Indeed. Pastor Newms: [18:15] So yeah, anywho so tonight are we warmed up you think. Pastor Bill: [18:26] I think we're plenty of warmed up I think we can stop. Beating around the bush and get to get on with it I know you're stalling because. Pastor Newms: [18:38] I am cuz there's a problem oui are talking about discipleship. And we are heavily basing it on Tony Evans study of, Kingdom disciples and we're talking about discipleship and it's a good study, there are you know they're great things about it so far and this week, what we were going to talk about is the fact that there is a cost to being a disciple, and so I titled this one I forgot it costs how much dot-dot-dot, and the reason is because. [19:39] That's the question is what does it cost you know you have a. Salvation you know we talked in the first week about salvation isn't the, end goal it is a the first goal you know the first goal is salvation and then discipleship because you can't disciple, if you don't believe in what you're being discipled in, so it's it's the first step of discipleship and you know when when we were, doing a research and watching stuff today it was interesting to look at. [20:29] Dr. Evans is he was talking and he was like Hey look you know. There's there's a cost salvation is free there's a cost to being a disciple and I found it really interesting, you know the points that he made throughout the time but the hard part is is the cost of being a disciple is something that we talked about, a lot without talking about the cost of being a disciple here at, the Collision house we talked about the fact that you have to put the work in we talked about the fact that it's not easy, it's not just hear what someone says and go do it it's not just. Okay I'm a Christian now let's go do exactly what we were doing yesterday change absolutely nothing don't listen to the Holy Spirit talking to me and telling me to do things don't reach out to others don't you know we've talked about, so much I was like oh crud I, I don't know where to go because we've covered all of this it in in. [21:49] And you know over and over and over and over and over again and so because of that, it is a it's I'm struggling today to really find what I want to talk about and like. Tony Evans gave some really great scriptures and some really great things that he talked about but. I just I couldn't find what hook I wanted to really like dig in and discuss because. [22:31] The cost of being a disciple is the same as what we talked about all the time of being Berean in what we do and how we study and how we live our lives, now I will say there's an example, that Tony Evans gives and he's given this example before and I love it and so I'm going to give it here I'm going to steal it because it's fun, a football game on television. Last three hours when you sit down you got the pre-show you got the show you got the thing you got the stuff you got the commercial breaks you got the the game itself on the clock is an hour, actual Play Time physical hitting play time is around 17 minutes. [23:29] So we spent three hours for 17 minutes worth of content, some of us then continue past that and use those 17 minutes to play Fantasy Football off of, to watch SportsCenter and see clips of the 17 minutes that we already just watched we dig into it then we go and we talk to our friends about it and we, we base our whole certain people base their whole personality around 17 minutes of gameplay. Because they're a football fan we all know him we all love them there's someone you know and love that is a football fan, yes yes there is there someone you know and love that is a football fan. Pastor Bill: [24:15] No but love I wonder. Pastor Newms: [24:23] I'll start with me so because of that if we did the same thing. With scripture and with why did you put up the website why is the website up. Pastor Bill: [24:43] You were like don't start with me and I was like fine I'll just. Pastor Newms: [24:46] Oh Pastor Bill: [24:47] Don't go away. Pastor Newms: [24:49] With with scripture and with the Nuggets that we find and and those types of things if we dwelled on it and dug into it as much as people dig into football. We would be radically changed but we, so many of us including myself I do not spend as much time in scripture as a football fan spins on football I can guarantee that, I try to spend time in scripture but not as much as a football fan watches football for 17 minutes of action, and so I find that to be an example that I've heard before but hearing it again really makes you just go, interesting so Pastor Bill what do you want to talk about what do you want to say about about what we. Pastor Bill: [25:49] All right so for me when we were watching the video and listen well listening I didn't really watch it because I don't really look at it as just listen to it, really it it really, what stuck out to me in what I really might take away is he talked about in college people auditing classes. Pastor Newms: [26:15] Oh yeah. Pastor Bill: [26:16] And you know go into class and just just being exposed to it but then not putting any of the work and not getting any of the real credit in the end, and he said now a lot of people out there doing the same thing with church and with being a Christian, they're auditing Christianity they're showing up on Sunday mornings and just, being exposed to the word and exposed to the scriptures exposed to the culture of Christianity but then not actually putting in the work, to actually earn the credit and actually know the subject and actually be a part of the subject and actually, you know make it part of their lives and so that really you know I was like oh man yeah that's that's true so many people do that. [27:10] And it just honestly if you're going to church, for any reason other than community, right going to see other believers and support each other in your walk in life and let each other know you know hey the Lord's got your back I got your back give me a call then you're doing it wrong if you're going to church, just to sing a song and just to wear a suit and just to hear a pretty sermon then that's you're not you're not utilizing that tool, the the whole point the tool of the church is to bind you together with other believers there's worship that's awesome it's great to detox from, all the stuff in your week that might be pulling you away from the Lord pulling your attention that's great, there's a sermon that's awesome you should definitely take advantage of wisdom in the Insight that the pastor of the church has put together to share with you. [28:17] But what you should do with that with some insight and wisdom is then go to your community at, church and say hey this is what Pastor taught about what do we think how are we going to apply it to our lives, you know are you struggling that area did did something he say really resonate with you that I can pray with you for or oh man you know, he was really reading my mail this week is what a phrase that I've used before he was reading my mail this week I need prayer for just that thing that he was talking about, it was literally like he opened my mailbox he knew exactly what was going on in my life and so I need help with that area now. [28:58] Don't audit your Christianity, actually live your Christianity and he was talking about and it tied back to something a video I saw on Tik-Tok a couple weeks ago this guy was talking about, there's so many people calling themselves Christian, that hate lgbtq that are races that are nationalist that are, fascist it on and on and on that this word Christian has started to become synonymous with all of these negative things that, don't reflect, love God love your neighbor as yourself and the guy in the video was just exasperated like I don't even know what to call myself like I don't introduce myself as a Christian anymore to people because, I want them to see God through me I don't want them to see white nationalist America when I call myself a Christian. Pastor Newms: [30:01] You know go ahead. Pastor Bill: [30:05] He said in the video he said. You can audit Christianity and you can you know oh I'm a Christian but are you a disciple of Christ are you a follower, of Christ right so the first century Church they called themselves followers of the way, Christ called himself the way the truth and the light they called themselves followers of the way and this term Christian this was a derogatory term originally, that you know it was a diminutive you're just a little copy of Christ you're a weaker copy you're a demean you know it was it was an insult, and Christians adopted in owned it and made it their own word and move forward in time perhaps it's time. [31:00] That we take this word that was an insult that you know they owned, and now has become synonymous with white nationalist racist hateful above the and just hey I'm a disciple of Christ I'm a follower of Christ I follow the way, find one of these new scripture will terms so that when you introduce yourself to someone hey man what's what's different about you what is it in your life that's that's different don't say oh I'm a Christian, say well I love Christ and, as a follower of Christ as a disciple of Christ you know that kind of language I love my neighbor the same way I love myself I love myself to learn how to love my neighbor I love my neighbor like that and I love and honor God. And so it's just this whole thing of don't audit Christianity, be a disciple of Christ yourself for making disciples but are we being disciples. Pastor Newms: [32:05] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [32:06] We talked about, you know love your neighbor as yourself and so often the modern Church Big C modern Church skips over that as yourself and goes oh well that's just that's just you know, that's just flowery talk love your neighbor as yourself well no that's a deep statement if you don't love yourself then you can't love your neighbor as yourself because then you're not loving your neighbor, you have to get your house in order and love yourself and then love your neighbor as yourself well if you're going to be out there making disciples you have to learn to be a disciple first and followed the Lord, and actually, be a follower of Christ not just someone who's auditing Christianity not just a Sunday morning Christian not just. [33:03] Oh I go on Christmas and Easter I go to church and the rest of the year I'm spiritual but I believe in God and I love Christ and all that, well do something about it being a disciple of Christ if you're you know if you're going to claim to love Jesus Jesus said you know you love me, show me you love me by following my commands and Jesus command Jesus commands were very simple, so simple and short such a short list so yeah so that's where listening to that video took my mind and just you know that's where I'm at. Pastor Newms: [33:40] So scripturally. I wanted to look at two places, and I'm struggling to find one of them cuz I lost it and now I'm trying to find it again. What if I tell you. Pastor Bill: [34:08] Well I may be able to find you the exact reference. Pastor Newms: [34:10] Well it's just that it's the verse where it's misconstrued quite often where. Pastor Bill: [34:27] Right. Pastor Newms: [34:28] I'm trying to find where it is cuz I've lost it, I had it pulled up and then I had another scripture that I was going to use and I looked at it and then I lost. Pastor Bill: [34:41] We're talking about James chapter 2. Pastor Newms: [34:44] Am I okay. Pastor Bill: [34:47] Roundabouts verse 14 but. Pastor Newms: [34:52] Yeah so James 2:14 thank you I'm like I've lost it. Pastor Bill: [35:01] I was like I know that's James but I can't remember what chapter it is. Pastor Newms: [35:05] So I'll start there and then I'll I'll do the other verse that I put into chat as well but James 2:14 says what good is it my brothers and sisters if someone claims to have faith but does not have Works can such Faith save him, if a brother is without clothes and lacks daily food and one of you says to him go in peace stay warm and be well fed but you don't give them what the body needs what good is it, and so. [35:50] It is interesting when you look at that because. One of the big points there is by itself. [36:05] Not saying works is salvation because we know that's not accurate based in Romans and lots of teachings throughout scripture that you you know a person is saved by, you know believing in speaking having faith but the by itself the faith is dead that doesn't mean, both to get into heaven but what it's saying is is you haven't activated your faith you haven't you're not living it, you're just sitting in it and so like that like a dead body it's just sitting there it's not, being fulfilled and, and you know you often quote James 216 which is the go in peace and stay warm and be well fed and if you don't give it if you don't help them what good is it you know and that's, what, he's talking about here it's not necessarily because some people have used this to justify okay will you see you have to have both in order for salvation and that's not necessarily what James is talking about. [37:34] What he's talking about is without it your faith is just knit it's just there. Pastor Bill: [37:42] Yeah and Paul Paul backs up that same concept in in Romans chapter 3, starting in verse 27 if you want to write that type that in my hands are a little full at the moment. Romans 3 27 where then is boasting it is excluded by what kind of law by one of Works no on the contrary by a law of faith, for we conclude that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law or is God the god of the Jews only, is he not the god of Gentiles to yes of Gentiles to since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith, do we then nullify the law through faith absolutely not on the contrary we uphold the law so he's saying you know. There's there's those who are doing works because of their faith and then those two have faith in it leads them to works and they're basically the same thing. It's not the works that justifies its. Pastor Newms: [39:04] Right yeah and. We have examples of people that don't take that next step and I mean we all know people, they're saved they believe in but they give they don't do they don't do anything, with their faith they have it and they hold it and they'll tell you about it if you ask you can kind of tell it's there but, like they're not doing anything they're not studying they're not growing they're not, discipling they're not trying to better themselves in the faith they're just there which, is not salvation aspects which is not what we're talking about in this series it's discipleship so you know. [39:57] You can have the first part without the second but it's ineffective for living it's fine for, getting to heaven but it's ineffective as a we're walking this out and so then I want to talk about Luke 9:23 through 27, and, it says and he said to them this is Jesus talking if anyone wants to follow me let him deny himself take up his cross daily and follow me for whoever wants to save his life will lose it but, whoever loses his life because of me will save it for what does it benefit someone if he gains the whole world and let loses or forfeits himself and the old KJV, the old KJV sorry the KJV says they're you know his soul so then we continue for whosoever is ashamed, of me and my Works my words the son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in glory and that the father and the Holy Angels, truly I tell you there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God and. [41:04] When you look at that that's often been used as a probe persecution Pro, what's it called when you deny yourself of everything, the like the monks they beat themselves and they did take her date themselves and they there's a there's a term for it and I can't remember it off top my head sorry. But it's but when it's self-inflicted where it's you have to deny yourself every. Pastor Bill: [41:37] Vow of poverty. Pastor Newms: [41:42] And it's interesting to this verse has been used for that and that's not necessarily what it means it means you know, we you have to put it in front of yourself not it'd be you know you're not punishing yourself, on a daily basis like the old monks used to flog themselves as they walked through the Halls to that way they felt closer to Jesus and it's like, I don't I don't I don't pick that up from the rest of scripture and Jesus loving us that we should ensure we're bloody. Pastor Bill: [42:23] I've always been confused by that like, you're living in a monastery with a bunch of dude. And you're not going out and having fun you're not drinking anything but maybe beer for the purpose of digestion because you're eating moldy bread and gruel three times a day and you think, you're not suffering enough you've got to start flogging yourself too, I think you're already suffering enough bro I don't think you need to add the flocking. Pastor Newms: [42:54] Yeah you've already taken a step farther than what most of us would in in trying to walk it out, which now I'm picturing them monk actually walking it out like the song I walk it out I walk it I picture anyway. Pastor Bill: [43:12] Right now. Pastor Newms: [43:17] Equipped rocking monk all right can they only wear blue robes then anyway okay, back to what we're talking about there's there's there's that aspect between this case you wonder how my brain works congratulations y'all seeing it there's that huge difference between, you know, we have to walk out our faith and that doesn't mean if we're not walking it out we don't have it but what it does mean is we're not walking in it you're you're just sitting on, and if you're sitting on your thumb your thumb can't do anything else that's all I have. Pastor Bill: [44:03] But you also get the flip side a lot where we talked about people or coerced into, they just say this prayer so if you get hit by a bus tonight that it enough and then those people go oh well they told me I'm a Christian now so I should start doing some works, and they serve in the church they go on missions trips they done it you know and they have this whole list of works that they did that they point to as evidence and go see there's proof I was a Christian, but I've realized I don't believe that anymore I don't believe that. [44:39] Well you never really did Works wasn't evidence of your faith, works is inspired by, Faith so you can't look back and go what is all these works that's evidence that's evidence that I was a Christian well no works is not evidence that your Christian belief is evidence that your Christian and and believe this, this thing of moral persuasion this thing of of conviction, isn't something you can just one day ago I don't believe that anymore, because that's not the help piss just works, the Greek word it's record piscis that's week we say faith but it's there are pissed us and it loses so much volume and breath in the English version when we say oh you just believe and have faith well. [45:36] That's so shallow that such a shallow interpretation of the idea expressed in the scriptures. Pastor Newms: [45:42] An NS as big said. It's a Greek word it's not what you thought you heard I'm sure Google Translates going to translate it exactly what you thought Biggs but I agree with what you say it's a whitewash Tums or tomb is what I, you were trying to write and I'm just being mean today but, it is it's in Jesus said that you know if you just clean your outside and you haven't cleaned your inside your whitewashed tomb and and that's that aspect of, why are you doing it what's the motivation when you talk about you know faith without works is dead. Pastor Bill: [46:30] Not only did Jesus know how to lay down the insults. Pastor Newms: [46:33] Oh I know. Pastor Bill: [46:34] But he must have laid them down often for the gospel writers to go I'm going to include this one I'm gonna include this one he must have you must have I mean. Pastor Newms: [46:48] He was sassy. Pastor Bill: [46:50] He was it was something else. Pastor Newms: [46:54] Especially for the day. Pastor Bill: [46:58] I mean whitewashed tombs that's that's like you can get kicked out of the temple you you don't say that in front of like the emperor you don't say that in front of the high priest that's some so that's some serious, roget for Elaine. Pastor Newms: [47:13] Touch the Dead, you know a culture you're not even allowed to you know touch a dead you can't prepare you can only prepare them in certain ways and in certain you know that's a big deal that's a big deal. Pastor Bill: [47:25] And there actually was. A thing where people would whitewashed tombs they would go in and take a tomb that a body had already been put in, they would remove the body clean the tube and then resell it to another family, and be like Oh yeah this will be the Eternal resting place of your loved one and then go back in and take that body and remove it and dispose of that body and clean the tomb again and resale the tomb, and so it was this underhanded process I mean he's literally accusing them of, telling tombs to people instead of Hope instead of Love instead of Faith you know you are you are, fooling these people you are selling them a bill of goods you know you are just, this is awful you are V8 you being the lowest of the low like you're committing capital crimes right now, with the people. [48:47] That's it that's what I got. Pastor Newms: [48:48] All right so thank you so much for those people who joined us in recording in during the live recording the live recording happens on Sunday nights at 6:30, and you can join us on Twitch Facebook or YouTube most of our people join us on Twitch just because, which is fun anyway that's my bias we all have biases in life um you can go to our website Ekk.House to see where you can do that which of those each of those platforms there's actually little buttons that you can see on this little image if you happen to be watching but if you're watching you're watching on one of those so yeah but. I hope. Pastor Bill: [49:43] Not necessarily maybe somebody downloaded the video later and sent it to someone and said hey watch this video. Pastor Newms: [49:52] Okay that's fine fine you won so please come join us so you can part of the conversation as Biggs and Phoenix and zaidi and and did tonight and other people do on other nights and, you know give that sense of community that we're talking about a coming together and doing church not just you know, having two faces talk to you or two voices tell you what to think because that is not what this is about so, we hope you guys join us and it either way we will talk with you next time and we love you. Pastor Bill: [50:34] Be safe out there.
In this episode of The Vortex Apologetic, Beef and the Brain discuss Queen Elizabeth's death; doing our best to keep a balanced body; and bible prophecy according to covenant eschatology (Preterism). What are timing statements in scripture? What is Heaven and Earth in scripture? World evangelism, has the world been evangelized already? Tune in, listen and be a Berean! Episode recorded on September 9, 2022
Igande arratsaldean piztutako sutea "nahita piztutakoa" dela esateko "goizegi" dela uste du Karlos Idirin Zeberioko alkateak, baina sutea "bi hilean hirugarrenez leku eta ordu berean" piztu izanak susmoak berretsi dizkioa. Sutea kontrolpean dutela, sute-eremuan hartu du Faktoria albistegia....
1 Thessalonians Chapter 5:2 - 5:6 A continuing study of 1st Thessalonians using proper hermeneutical and exegetical principles to, in keeping with the spirit of a Berean attitude and with the Reformation, whose principle ideal was Sola Scriptura.
In this episode of The Vortex Apologetic, Beef and the Brain discuss men's design to conquer. How are men nowadays acting in lieu of this? Have men become too emotional? Too sensitive? Tune in, listen and be a Berean! Episode recorded on August 26, 2022
S3Ep91 - Is Salvation The End Goal? Pastor Newms: [0:00] Okay there hi hi. Pastor Bill: [0:03] Hi hello and. Pastor Newms: [0:06] Wait no no no no you are still right there in the little corner you don't get to say. Pastor Bill: [0:13] Some lower corner. Pastor Newms: [0:14] Hello and welcome see because you're right, in the corner because I was getting there I was waiting for Biggs to say working on through the light and the picture stool and so now I'll say, hello and welcome to the manifesto live recording yay, if you're not listening to it live ha you should come join us live and then you would have got to enjoy that part where I said live recording not just the brand Manifesto season 3 episode 91, so yeah faith hope and love for the modern Christian I'm pastor newms and down in the corner, is Pastor Bill yeah that looked cool because it didn't quite the refresh rate of the camera can't quite capture the finger correctly and it like, Okay so Pastor Bill how was your week, so your camera your fingers not doing it. Pastor Bill: [1:28] My two oldest had. Pastor Newms: [1:33] They had the whole school. Pastor Bill: [1:48] You know girls who were now calling the space cowboy and um, I was quoting the song and he was like bass Cowboy that's a cool nickname and I was like you got that boy from now on you're the space cowboy. Pastor Newms: [2:08] I still prefer to call him biddy Gert. Pastor Bill: [2:11] Biddy. Pastor Newms: [2:23] But I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly your wife band that so while I was out there the last time we are not calling him that. Pastor Bill: [2:36] Right so they involve the school and, I found out it was going to take over 10 grand to put a new engine in. Pastor Newms: [2:59] Okay so to touch base on things that have been said in chat since you started talking, it's all good Sadie you're here to do I know you're down in the classroom, so that's one of the updates for us is we started school this week and we're doing hold your your kids should start one of yours just started school the other started school last year and mine just stopped. Pastor Bill: [3:30] We're rotating. Pastor Newms: [3:31] Yeah we're rotating. Pastor Bill: [3:32] Aspects of life. Pastor Newms: [3:34] So we started homeschooling and it's it's it's going well, says is very is getting settled real well our office is a little bit recce, because we put other things in front of cleaning the office and so, it's it's a little it's a little dirty but that's okay that's okay we'll get there, and yes Biggs we now have a red glare on the poster because the white wall was irritating me so I put it back up and of course when I did we noticed that the in order to balance my face with the live light over here we opted to I have to just make that light red as opposed to trying to turn it up and turn this one down and turn the one above it up and did it I was like let me just turn this one red and I gotta say I don't hate, the red glow on the brothers, I I almost want to have you moved the picture over an inch so the red glow on the brothers ends up being in the middle. [4:55] But um so we might just put another hole in the wall there just a little over um, but the week's been real good work was work was good I don't think, move the lamp well because it's in the corner which is where a lamp should be, and aesthetically that makes the most sense over there. Pastor Bill: [5:27] He's like I'd rather I'd rather. Pastor Newms: [5:28] So no. Pastor Bill: [5:30] I'd rather move the wall then move the limb. Pastor Newms: [5:35] I wouldn't because it's so so says it's right in front of me his desk is over in that corner, and he's got a professional like hooked to the computer Sound Processing make music keyboard thing, and so, it's in the right spot above it and I don't really want to we'd have to move all and I'll put another hole in the wall I'll do it myself, I say that then it's your come over it's gonna be crooked he's gonna fix it anyway um so the week was pretty good like I said we got a lot done chords, tons of stuff it's good it's good. Pastor Bill: [6:31] Good good good good good good good. Pastor Newms: [6:33] So now, the part of the podcast that I don't like that I did, every single actually it's not crooked my camera's crooked actually because I turned my camera, no you're right it might be crooked I don't know dude I'm half blind I don't do these things, the wife hasn't come up here since I put it back up and let's be honest. Pastor Bill: [7:10] All my stuff looks crooked because, my cameras at a weird angle and so either I'm crooked or everything else is. Pastor Newms: [7:18] You say the eye knows but the eye is Two Doors Down. Pastor Bill: [7:26] Who's there. Pastor Newms: [7:28] So no no it doesn't so my grandmother is a wonderful wonderful person but she has this thing where she can look at something from, anywhere any point of a room any that's one level and you're like no it's not it's perfectly that I leveled it before I hung it son level whatever go get the level stick it up there it'll be like the little bubble go, and you like that is if it's barely off level it's not perfect it is off level and you're like but the bubbles just like on the edge of the this is level area it's not in the center fine I'm not she's just like that it's crazy it is crazy so, if you had to wear a button at all times, anytime you're wearing clothes let's preface that six of the flash okay with a maximum of six words on it describing your outlook on life, what would your button say. Pastor Bill: [8:42] So now we're wearing Flair. Pastor Newms: [8:43] Yes yes from yes from what was that what was the what's the restaurant that that part of the movie is based on. Pastor Bill: [8:58] You have Fridays is worth based on ya. Pastor Newms: [9:00] Yeah yeah I'm not sure how I could hear him, with my headset on I normally can't but I straight hurt says give me the answer, okay six words, go your self right now no no that's not that's not proper. Pastor Bill: [9:27] What I've been saying for years is already six words life sucks and then you die. Pastor Newms: [9:34] That's seven life sucks. Pastor Bill: [9:36] Life sucks and then you die. Pastor Newms: [9:54] Do you mind seven. [10:01] No it's 8 I don't know man I don't know. Pastor Bill: [10:07] Go to ekk. House to get your life sucks and then you die pins. Pastor Newms: [10:12] Can we get the 144 Biggs also life something and then she leaves your butt. Pastor Bill: [10:24] Non words. Pastor Newms: [10:25] It's nine words and so is to live is Christ to die is gain it was eight I was like. Pastor Bill: [10:32] That's it where it's done. [10:37] Alive to Christ dead to sin. Pastor Newms: [10:49] Shorter but I can't think of any that are six I thought I thought maybe like you know well here we go again. Pastor Bill: [11:00] Well here we go again. Pastor Newms: [11:01] You know you enter into a store you're like well here we go again your wife's like hey I need you to welp we go again you got a package in you know you got to build something well here we go again. Pastor Bill: [11:12] I mean you could you could go with five words and they could be a good say Tuesdays it's always Tuesdays if you would be like what do you mean it's always Tuesday. [11:36] I only care on days ending in queue. Pastor Newms: [11:38] All right all joking aside I don't know man all joking aside I actually don't know what, to sum up my motto in six words would be nearly impossible I mean. Pastor Bill: [11:59] You can't have beauty without pain. Pastor Newms: [12:03] Don't be a yeah love people don't be a there you go six words, there's mine. Pastor Bill: [12:19] People don't be a penis. Pastor Newms: [12:20] There's there's mine. Pastor Bill: [12:37] I need to find my buddy cross and put them up on my shelf. Pastor Newms: [12:40] You should you should I was really sad in the middle of covid when two of my girls had covid they did a Moby pop-up shop in Nashville, and we had two confirmed cases of covid and me and my wife sat down and we were like I look at my wife and I'm like baby. Pastor Bill: [13:04] Is it worth it. Pastor Newms: [13:05] What if I just go and leave everyone else here I've only been exposed a little, a lot like I can wear mask the whole time and she's like if you got someone sick if you found out, there was like everyone they are got sick you get to heaven at the end of time whatever the case is and you're like congratulations you killed 14 people by accident how would you feel I was like yeah I know I'm can't do it I just really really want to and I believe it was bigs actually offered to go up there, for me just so I could get like the stuff I didn't really want I don't care about the food I just wanted to stuff because I like to collect, stuff I mean it's kind of one of my things dragons like to hoard things it happens um, so and I was like no I don't want you to drive into downtown Nashville that's just it's brutal now after you get off work and speed be a whole thing so. Pastor Bill: [14:16] Bill old time. Pastor Newms: [14:17] It's a whole thing getting in right now everything in Nashville is under construction everything. Pastor Bill: [14:23] We can see behind you. Pastor Newms: [14:26] Yeah he means like I hoard. Pastor Bill: [14:30] Oh Pastor Newms: [14:30] My yeah and like we cleaned out a closet just for additional things and there's you know, 20-something boxes of books outside that are slowly getting moved in as we get book, bookshelves in here so all right I think we are now officially warmed up it's been 20 minutes. Pastor Bill: [14:56] Indeed League indeed lie. Pastor Newms: [14:58] Congratulations so tonight we are talking, about something that is extremely important and that very often, we as the capital city Church fail at miserably over and over and over again and so I titled, this one because while you've been gone Pastor Bill except for last week they have all been very very clever titles, I haven't been clever titles they've just been really cruddy questions but um. [15:43] You know it's one of the things so I titled this one is salvation the end goal and, you know this is a leading question let's be honest this is a question that's made to go yeah of course because, it is to a degree it should be our goal to help people find Salvation, and to have salvation and to live like we have said salvation, but the thing I want to talk about is the factor of, what else so we have the whole aspect of, the text so I'm going to have to type it out my bad so Matthew 28, we're going to do we're going to do 18 through 20 but we're going to talk about a little more than that but that's what we're going to truly. Pastor Bill: [17:01] The Great Commission. Pastor Newms: [17:02] Suck the Great Commission so so often, you know in the church capital c not individual sees because some churches are doing it correctly in the capital c church we forget the. [17:23] Biggest Commission in my opinion that Jesus gives us, here's a thing you should go to and I say it's the greatest even though my favorite is, love you know love God love people, you know love thy neighbor you know the things he says like that you know but in my mind in order to do this in order to do this commission you have to love people anyway because you can't, do it without loving people so let's jump into it so to be clear the Great Commission, we'll jump back to 16 the eleven disciples traveled to Galilee to the mountain where Jesus had directed them when they saw him they worshipped but some doubted Jesus came near to them and said to them all authority has been given to me in heaven and on Earth, go therefore and Make Disciples of all Nations baptizing them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you and remember I am with you always to the End of the Age so. [18:40] You know people look at this and they think to themselves okay we have to go Witness we've got to get people saved that's the Great Commission and. Pastor Bill: [18:55] We take a second look at the the word Authority there. Pastor Newms: [18:58] I thought that's a good word yeah we definitely can uh-huh. Pastor Bill: [19:07] I just I'm here I'm here reading it and I'm like we need to talk about that for a second because it is Authority but it's also jurisdiction Liberty Power right strength, but what really stuck out to me is privileged. Pastor Newms: [19:22] Huh. Pastor Bill: [19:23] All privileges given me in heaven and in Earth, so we talked we talked you know in our culture we talk a lot about privilege. Pastor Newms: [19:32] Mmm. Pastor Bill: [19:33] Are you have privilege you can do that because you have privilege you ate as believers, anyway yeah. Pastor Newms: [19:52] End, you know I find it interesting when you start breaking down this so much. [20:08] The first off the power, the privilege to say so the aspects of having it the fact that it was delegated is one of those other nice words. Pastor Bill: [20:24] Delegated influence. Pastor Newms: [20:25] Yeah so it's given, I do like that it says the force and I know that means not what we mean it to be, according to this Jesus was full of the force. Pastor Bill: [20:40] Full of force. Pastor Newms: [20:41] So that just that made me giggle when I read that, and it's not the fact that he has it it's the fact that he was given to him also. Pastor Bill: [20:53] Right if you look at the word that it comes from which is existing. Pastor Newms: [20:58] Hm Pastor Bill: [20:59] It says, I'm personally it is right through the figurative idea of being out in public to be. [21:20] This privileged this jurisdiction and Authority legally is this was a legal transaction that gave me this. [21:35] However this Authority this jurisdiction is Liberty this this right this shrink. Pastor Newms: [21:55] And it's interesting when you look at different, translations on how they they put it also so if you look at like the KJV it just says teach All Nations, and then it says teaching but it's it's different it's to become a pupil of, to be a scholar to it's not as simple as to teach and I think that's in and of itself a huge part of the problem with why we've missed, the Great Commission as a large hole over time is because of, that misuse of that word teach in the KJV whereas in the csb and you know what you hear a lot more now is the hole, making disciples because. Pastor Bill: [23:03] The word in verse 19 it. Pastor Newms: [23:06] Oh yeah yeah. Pastor Bill: [23:23] Which is do literally Tootsie. Pastor Newms: [23:24] To teach yeah and I think yeah. Pastor Bill: [23:27] Two completely different words that King James translates adds the same idea. Pastor Newms: [23:33] And and I think that that starts to cause you know part of our problem as a culture when we when we, so often have not dug into scripture just, Reddit moved on heard it moved on you know things like that and that is of itself is funny to me because, dates this command which is. Pastor Bill: [24:02] The one where the one gentleman that was joining us from her face to face over and over and over and, we had this one conversation where he got frustrated and he said so what every time I read the Bible I'm supposed to go back to the original language and find out what they were talking about, I don't have time for that I just want to read it in the King James and then applied to my life and I was like no that's exactly what we're saying you to do if you don't have contacts, then how do you know how to apply it to your life oh what did I just read it but but the words use their don't have the same meaning as the word you're using now, English has morphed, so you're reading words they're thinking it's saying one thing when it really meant something else and you don't know what those translators meant unless you go back to the original and go oh well this word actually means this. Pastor Newms: [24:53] And then even farther it's the act of studying you know what was going on at the time because. Pastor Bill: [24:59] Why would he why would he choose to use those words. Pastor Newms: [25:03] Yeah it's like. Pastor Bill: [25:04] That's the context of the context you know. Pastor Newms: [25:06] Yeah like the eye of the camel the eye of the needle you know when you when you look at the eye of the needle today you're like oh yeah a rich person can never do it. Pastor Bill: [25:16] We and I have needles real small how do you fit a camel to that. Pastor Newms: [25:18] It's real small and you're like you're like no no because you'd have to guide the camel and push the camel in you'd have to massage the. Pastor Bill: [25:25] Door in a wall of a city they're not talking about a sewing needle. Pastor Newms: [25:29] It's little things like that that when you don't have that context you don't know what the words behind the words are or the meaning behind the words and and let's be honest we struggle with it now too, because we're using the Strong's Concordance which strong wrote you know how long ago so, some of those words are still confusing and not a hundred percent but that's also where the Holy Spirit comes into play and where you have to compare it with everything else in Scripture, so that way, people often take the one verse and be like okay there's one verse about it and see that means I'm right but then when you look at it that one verses that say what you think it says and it doesn't line up with the rest of scripture but we've based whole dogmas whole groups of language you know groups of beliefs on one single thing. Pastor Bill: [26:25] We've lost sections of teaching that the churches churches used to teach because, pastors lost some pastors lost this idea of what does that mean and I so I found one scripture that says one thing and then this other scripture that's supposed to support it, doesn't support it in my language it seems to be a contradiction, well yeah because in the original it does support it and any even in King James is time it's still supported it but because language changes now those two scriptures that mean the same thing use words that make it feel, like they do. Pastor Newms: [27:07] Yeah and so I think it's really important when we're looking at things, and and this is something that when we are discipling someone in the faith we have to have those types of conversations we can't just hand them, a new testament in any translation or message or you know any format just hand it to him say okay here go have fun welcome to Christianity yay, you know that's that's something that's happened year generation after generation year after year we've stopped discipling new Christians. Pastor Bill: [27:49] Even even when we were going with he Mania, I know some people have complained it in on some mission trips they didn't they just hit and run hit and run the everyone that I went on we were always working closely with, translators who were recruited by local churches who were giving out information on who those churches were and getting those people's information so the churches could follow up you know what I mean. Pastor Newms: [28:13] Yeah and that's. Pastor Bill: [28:14] And not just a hit-and-run hit-and-run hit-and-run but more of a hey here's this. [28:28] People from the area. Pastor Newms: [28:29] And and what you just said is what's so important about this is the relational aspect the difference between teaching someone something and having a disciple is, the relationship so like if you're just teaching, teaching from a Pulpit teaching from a tape teaching online teaching by text writing books whatever if that's all that's being done for new Christians and new people to the faith and people trying to find faith. Pastor Bill: [29:00] We do need teachers so it's not like that's not a need. Pastor Newms: [29:01] We do you have no it that's the second that's the second part we have to teach him but we also have, have those relationships to bring people together. [29:32] So that's a great question and it's very important one, and I think it is at the point where you are comfortable, and where you are starting to also spread the message you know I think it's you who said it before I don't remember where you got it if you're not willing to take a phone call, in the middle of the night from someone who you've led to the Lord you're doing something wrong and, because if you are leading people to Christ you should be trying to also disciple now. Pastor Bill: [30:13] It's not about numbers it's about true Faith conversion discipleship relationship, new life you know James talks about if you see your brother cold and hungry and you just say be well-fed and stay warm, can you really not done anything for them it's the same way with salvation if you see someone struggling spiritually and and you hey you know you should get saved and here's this prayer say this prayer now go live your life, you've not actually done anything you've planted a seed but nothing else you've literally you need to follow you up you need to walk that mile. Pastor Newms: [30:57] And I think that's part of a huge issue in our culture and I don't mean just American culture I mean the church's culture overall is what you also said about the prayer you know, we talked about in scripture you know believe in confess right. Pastor Bill: [31:17] Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart. Pastor Newms: [31:19] Right the key there is there's an ant we as a culture so often have left out that and and are just pushing for confessions you know hey at church, and I get it to some degree what I'm about to say is not necessarily A condemnation but it's we get to the end of service, let's say you do the prayer you know for anyone who wants to raise your hand, thanks and good night the thanks and goodnight swear there's a problem the. Pastor Bill: [31:51] One of the things that a lot of a lot of ministers will openly admit to, is that these churches who have that format of we do the sinner's prayer every Sunday every Sunday, is they'll talk about people who respond 10 15 20 times to the sinner's prayer because, they still feel convicted they still feel like they're not saved they still feel that pool and it's simply because they don't actually believe yet, buying all of your hype and they're feeling all of the coercion and all of you know all of that but they're not actually believing yet. Pastor Newms: [32:34] And I think that's it comes down to a lot of what we're seeing also in people exiting, the faith is yeah you said a prayer and because you were taught if you say a prayer you are then you get down the road and you're like I don't agree with this at all. Pastor Bill: [32:53] Actually believe that any of this. Pastor Newms: [32:54] Believe in this I don't feel this I don't it's like okay well you didn't then. Pastor Bill: [33:00] Because you never did you never were a Believer not trying to judge you not trying to judge the way you thought you're living your life simply pointing a light on, you're not wrong you're not you know. Pastor Newms: [33:12] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [33:14] You're feeling this dysphoria in this confusion in this oh my gosh I've wasted all this time yeah but that's not your fault that's the fault of the guy that coerced you with this, it will cut and paste lie about what salvation was. Pastor Newms: [33:27] And didn't have the follow-up because there are people that there are churches out there that do the prayer or do the rays of the hand or do this come forward and then they do the follow-up it's okay you know here's information. Pastor Bill: [33:42] And there are people that truly are ready, when that call comes I like me I responded to an altar call at a big youth conference and acquire the fire youth, but I was ready I was there I was convicted I was at that point of belief. Pastor Newms: [34:02] And that's what's so important is we have to and and, you know the big part we're going to be talking just so you guys are all aware, the next several weeks is all about discipleship so many different facets talked about for the next couple weeks because maybe I have or have not, currently been doing a Bible study by. Pastor Bill: [34:32] No yeah that's his how this works yeah we this this series of episodes is inspired by Tony Evans what was it called I can't remember the name. Pastor Newms: [34:39] It's Kingdom disciples. Pastor Bill: [34:45] Kingdom disciples that this pole six-week series is inspired by. Pastor Newms: [34:48] Yep. Pastor Bill: [34:50] Tony Evans Kingdom disciples Bible study. Pastor Newms: [34:52] Yep and and so because of that you know it's going to be, it's going to be discipleship and different aspects of discipleship you know not just it's not gonna be the same conversation for six weeks don't worry, some of its going to get repeated but not all of it what are the other things that, is so important about this verse to me is we've missed it as a culture and the biggest part, and problem I have with it is it's not our Generations fault and I will say it is not our parents Generations fault and I will say, not their Generations you know it's. Pastor Bill: [35:39] Last week we were talking about Malachi and how when they opened the law to read the law the people wept, not because they felt like it was their fault or their parents fault of their parents parents fault but the fact that they had this revelation of we didn't know and we weren't told, the people before us weren't told and if you before them weren't told so but now we know the truth. Pastor Newms: [36:05] Yeah at some point we lost a big chunk of and and I think you know we hear this, recently a lot in, in churches and in religious Circles of there's an exodus from Christianity and the people that are staying in Christianity want to change it, or want to update it because they've quote unquote got new Revelations that no one has ever believed in and so because of that you know they're probably wrong and we're traditionalists and and ducted up to that you know some thick some complaints are happening in certain circles but it's that situation like we were talking about Malachi where, it's not that, this generation and I'm definitely not saying me but this generation's new Revelations and including people like, you know dr. Evans and people like you know prominent authors people who have been studying people have been using the same translation of the Bible for most of their Ministry and then all of a sudden were like you know what, there's this new version of the Bible that I really really like so for my whole next study I'm actually going to take all my notes from years and years and put it in a Bible and produce that also you know and. Pastor Bill: [37:28] There's the issue of okay, duration of Christians that are going, we really shouldn't be doing church this way we really shouldn't be doing things this way how we know that's not one of those how do we know it's not when John is writing the Book of Revelation he also hears Mysteries and the angel says no no those aren't for you to reveal yet, those are for later how do we know that's not what's happening. Pastor Newms: [38:07] Or it's not and we don't know what they are yeah I know I know I know what you're saying yeah. Pastor Bill: [38:16] That it goes back to the thing of Paul that says hey if it's good embrace it if it's bad don't but don't reject the whole idea just go, hey you know what maybe that might be good maybe it's a good thing to tell people who are attracted to the same sex they are that yeah we could use your help, you know updating our facilities and reaching out to our communities and acting in love and embrace those people hand-in-hand and go you know what let's make a. [38:59] Wow Pastor down the road that we invited to come speak for us is on his second marriage and that woman was his secretary that he cheated on his first wife with and then left her to marry him, wait a second so that sexual sins okay but okay okay I'm yeah. Pastor Newms: [39:22] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [39:23] I'm on I'm on back off because I'm getting I'm getting. Pastor Newms: [39:25] You're getting on your soapbox and and that's okay but that's but that's that's part of what this is about is you know we've so much looked at for so long the aspects of, this is what how we do it this is exactly how this is exactly this is the only way but the problem is, you know in talking about that whole let's not blame the people above us the people above them the people that you know, the last several Generations the issue isn't with them they were doing what they were taught they were doing what they were taught they were doing what they were taught they studied because, confirmation bias you can study, I'm not never going to say that those people did not study the word pour into it try to understand it and come away, with confirmation with the holy spirit that they were correct because the Holy Spirit speaks to each of us differently, what is sin for one is not for another you know we have lots of passages that we've talked about so many times we situations like this so it's no wonder. Pastor Bill: [40:29] Put also the Holy Spirit doesn't approve. [40:51] Given the Martin Luther because it was intended for Martin Luther. Pastor Newms: [40:53] Unless it was given to him and then he ignored it and then God gave it to Martin Luther also you know but that's a whole other issue. Pastor Bill: [41:01] That were the case every time that's been the case in my in my experience every time that's been the case the person who received the Revelation has always said I was told this was for somebody else. Pastor Newms: [41:11] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [41:12] And then they came to me because the other person said no Martin Luther never said. Pastor Newms: [41:16] No he did and I'm not trying to say that's what happened I'm just saying you know that is the does happen sometimes. Pastor Bill: [41:22] It does happen. Pastor Newms: [41:24] But I think it's so important that we look at the discipleship of people you know we as a culture failed, the capital c church has failed time and time again because we're human you know that that's you know when we look at, when we look at things like sin and you know you say something like oh the capital churches is terrible or this local church is horrible or this and you're like you're like well yeah because it's ran by, people. Pastor Bill: [41:59] That was the point if the church was perfect then there'd be no room for faith without faith there'd be no room for salvation, so we'd all be going to hell if the Bible was literal and true and the church was perfect and not made of men then there would be no faith and we'd all be going to hell. Pastor Newms: [42:21] If God revealed everything to us in Scripture, then we wouldn't need faith faith is such an important aspect of our faith because that's what we title belief systems. Pastor Bill: [42:36] Of our faith but I mean seriously that's why that I mean it's literally it's as plain as the nose on our faces this is why the Bible isn't, an inerrant infallible textbook of, that reveals everything about God this is why Jesus chose 12 very fallible men one of them who betrayed him and then killed himself one of them who was Peter, which it's debatable on whether or not Peter was worse than Judas. Pastor Newms: [43:11] It depends on what sins were lining up next to each other really. Pastor Bill: [43:15] Right in our opinion right, he built this in they built this fallible Church, because if it was perfect if it was infallible then your trust would be in the church your trust would be in the Bible and your faith and trust wouldn't be in God. Pastor Newms: [43:34] And as mr. groggy just said in chat if it revealed everything we wouldn't believe it it blow our minds we couldn't handle it. Pastor Bill: [43:44] Like when at the end of Dogma when God speaks, and the Revelation just literally blows people's heads off of hearing God's voice that's what it would be like, exactly what it'd be like. Pastor Newms: [43:59] Just a couple weeks ago I was watching the supernatural when the Angels speak that even even. Pastor Bill: [44:03] Oh man the archangels. Pastor Newms: [44:05] That it's just like oops. Pastor Bill: [44:08] They literally have to take over human bodies and then speak to the human bodies because if they speak without a human body then people's heads to start exploding. Pastor Newms: [44:16] Now that's the supernatural Dogma let's be. Pastor Bill: [44:19] Yeah this is Supernatural take on. Pastor Newms: [44:21] Yeah let's be clear we're not saying that's what actually happens with angels because I'm not putting angels in any form of box because I'm not going there. Pastor Bill: [44:33] Well every time God speaks in the Bible why is it always just still small voice it's because God's Whispering because if he talks louder than a whisper, we're up the creek I love the line from Dogma where metatron's like we went through seven Adams before we figured that out. Pastor Newms: [44:51] Oh the late great Alan Rickman love that man. Pastor Bill: [44:55] Yeah Alan Rickman 7 I don't have any items it was but it was you know whether we're in a certain amount of atoms we figured out that humans can't hear God's voice doesn't work. Pastor Newms: [45:07] Kevin Smith, he's getting his own comic book series like a whole group of them supposedly Dark Horse which give him some Dark Horse Comics that's gonna be exciting anyway um will stop fangirling over directors that we love and go. Pastor Bill: [45:27] You know it's just going to be blunt man and chronic it's not gonna be anything cool it's just going to be blunt man and chronic sitting around getting high. Pastor Newms: [45:32] If you do a bluntman and chronic Dark Horse version I'm dead like I mean on you know Dark Horse. Pastor Bill: [45:40] There's going to be like skulls goal of bongs like. Pastor Newms: [45:42] Yeah bongs that's what you're looking for it yeah so back to. Pastor Bill: [45:49] Back to Matthew 28:9 18 through 20. Pastor Newms: [45:53] So when we look at that this is what's so important for us is to make disciples now when, yeah like when Jesus wait she just told Lazarus to come I'm confused on where Biggs went with that. Pastor Bill: [46:11] Yeah me too. Pastor Newms: [46:12] Like when Jesus told Lazarus to come out of the Tomb that he was in for three days I there's always a delay, with pigs typing because they get it delayed and then they he has to type it burn away for him to give us some more context, I'm probably sure I probably don't disagree with him because I usually don't but um me and Biggs is, oh voice value yeah yeah exactly Jesus Jesus has the voice, you know even God in Jesus's body can straight talk through you know, spiritual Realms and like you know called Lazarus back to his body and tell him to come out you know okay cool I'm with you now Biggs. Pastor Bill: [47:13] It's raining on your cultural viewpoint on when the soul leaves the body according to the Jewish Viewpoint he was still there the Angels hadn't come to take him out of the body yet. Pastor Newms: [47:26] He was just in adamant at the moment but still had to wake him up. Pastor Bill: [47:33] Yeah had to have the ability to wake him up. Pastor Newms: [47:34] Asleep and which Jesus says several times it's fine she's just asleep I'll go take care of it you're fine so I think that's so important though is that. Pastor Bill: [47:45] Jesus what do you mean she's just asleep what do you want me to do you want me to say she's dead and just like wreck their whole world what and I could have just as easily said that but I mean it's the same thing to me. Pastor Newms: [47:59] But mother favorite you know Jesus Jesus is often times so downplayed in how he actually was when you really think about it so it's like, come get up and walking and send no more, you know the one time when he says something like that in the Pharisees are like you can't say that and he's like what would you rather me say all of his sins are forgiven move on like and they're like no we wouldn't want you to say that because. Pastor Bill: [48:30] 20 when he heals when he tells when he heals the hand of the man whose hand was shriveled is what you're. Pastor Newms: [48:34] Oh is that what it is okay. Pastor Bill: [48:36] Doesn't do extend his hand and be healed as you can't do that on us on a Sabbath and he goes would you rather me say your sins have been forgiven you, and then like. Pastor Newms: [48:48] It's just you know. Pastor Bill: [48:53] The SAS man the absolute SAS. Pastor Newms: [48:55] He had sass so the main point as we wrap up here because we're right at time that I really want to make is, we're not saying in any way that what you've done is wrong your evil you shouldn't be preaching you shouldn't be any of that what we're saying is. Pastor Bill: [49:20] I'm saying it's wrong I'm saying you're not at fault. Pastor Newms: [49:24] The the problem is we've got to take it to that next step you know the preaching is great, people saved is amazing it is important we're not trying to say salvation isn't important of course not because that would be insanity, but we have to continue to disciple the people that we. Pastor Bill: [49:46] You can't tell Mission can't be your opener. Pastor Newms: [49:50] Right you shouldn't be yours. Pastor Bill: [49:53] Holy Spirit specifically tells you. Pastor Newms: [49:55] Yeah now there are people who have had the seeds the seeds done and done and done and done and they come they can walk into your church what angle I need to find Jesus because that has happened. Pastor Bill: [50:06] Yeah but if the person has enough seeds planted that you asking them if they want salvation if they're at that point then you being a loving human being that is open about your relationship with God, we'll also have the same. Pastor Newms: [50:21] Yeah cuz they know that it's safe to talk to you, and then we have to continue with that friendship that building upon them that teaching them, training them working with them as, fellow Believers and discipling them to equip them to be able to do the right thing not just telling them good you're good to go here's a Bible figure it out peace and then wondering why, fifty hundred years down the road our nation is where it is and I'm gonna leave it at that and let you believe whatever you want on that. Pastor Bill: [51:02] I'm reminded of Smith Wigglesworth early on in his very very very long as the ministry he steps onto a train car, and a guy sees his face and goes, gets up you've convinced me of my sin and gets on his knees how can I be safe, and then he leads them to the Lord right then and there and it's like that guy was ready and also nose Wiggles were a dentist step onto the train car and the guy was already ready. [51:42] I'm not mixing stories right he's the plumber that couldn't read. Pastor Newms: [51:46] I believe so. Pastor Bill: [51:49] Yeah and then couldn't read never was never taught to read and then picked up a Bible and was like hey look I can read this. Pastor Newms: [52:00] Big and Pentecostalism. Pastor Bill: [52:09] Was that Charles Capps that was the plumber could. Pastor Newms: [52:10] I think you might be off Wigglesworth was the bishop who was, illiterate as a child unschooled because of his labors he worked as a plumber, he abandoned it because he became too busy after he started preaching so I yes I believe you are he also had lots and lots of, peelings attached to him. Pastor Bill: [52:53] Came into possession of his first Bible that he owns because he memorized Psalm 91 the longest, chapter in the Bible as part of the contest whoever could memorize accurately the most of Psalms 91 would win their own Bible and he was borrowing another Bible. [53:23] You could win his own Bible because it was actually hard to get a Bible then it wasn't like you could just, go into any church and be like hey can I get a free Bible or go into any bookstore going to Walmart either there was another you know, now their Bibles everywhere but it wasn't always so. Pastor Newms: [53:45] It wasn't all right so that's all I had to do you have anything else Pastor Bill. Pastor Bill: [53:53] Did you know the number one item stolen from Christian bookstores as leather-bound Bibles. Pastor Newms: [54:01] I mean that makes sense it's the number one thing sold at Christian bookstores. Pastor Bill: [54:08] But I mean it's another one thing stolen is the book that literally says do not steal. [54:30] This to last time you stole one did you. Pastor Newms: [54:32] Okay I'll give you that if you're stealing multiple Bibles unless you're off giving them away to homeless or giving way to last for. Pastor Bill: [54:39] A little bit you're pulling a Robin Hood, steal him from the corporations to get in the way down was. [54:52] I love it. Pastor Newms: [54:52] I can't say I'm against it. Pastor Bill: [54:57] Yeah big says they hadn't read it yet. Pastor Newms: [54:59] Yeah yeah yeah alright so thank you so much for joining us those that joined us live, great those it listened great, but you should come join us live because it's more fun one you get to hear things everyone else doesn't, and I would love to say it's because we cut a bunch in post but it's really just the beginning in the end cuz I'm not editing stuff, but come join us you can be part of the conversation and build relationships because that's what this is all about, and you can talk and chat or you know, fellowshipping I know like my parents watch it together and then talk about it while it's being watched and then call me after if they need to you know things like that you know let's come together and. Pastor Bill: [55:55] Call you after. Pastor Newms: [55:55] Sometimes you know sometimes kiss. Pastor Bill: [55:58] And sometimes that goes well and sometimes. Pastor Newms: [56:01] We don't always we do. Pastor Bill: [56:02] There are disagreements but that's part of being Berean. Pastor Newms: [56:05] Yes we don't agree on everything and that's perfectly fine there are times where me and you have phone calls afterwards and it's like you know I even tonight you're like I don't like your title and I was like well this, this is why the title is there and you're like oh I don't like it though I'm like okay. Pastor Bill: [56:24] If you learned. Pastor Newms: [56:25] You little. Pastor Bill: [56:26] We don't have to agree on everything. Pastor Newms: [56:27] Yeah we don't and so come join us which that I'm pretty. Pastor Bill: [56:35] The Jesus thing. Pastor Newms: [56:36] Oh yeah Jesus Jesus is important that's the thing we agree on. Pastor Bill: [56:40] Everything else is gravy. Pastor Newms: [56:41] It is it is and to be clear it's not just Jesus he's cool and that cesspits not you know there's more to it than. Pastor Bill: [56:49] Jesus is Lord. Pastor Newms: [56:51] Yeah so come join us we record this Sunday nights at 6:30 Central whatever time we live in now, I don't know whether it's you have to say the daylight or not I get so confused I don't know. Pastor Bill: [57:07] Right now it's CD t-- Pastor Newms: [57:09] Yeah but there's the whole thing about the laws and the changing in the stuff. Pastor Bill: [57:13] It hasn't happened yet though so. Pastor Newms: [57:15] I just don't know when it's going on I don't know anyway um, join us we're on Twitch Facebook and YouTube and then come join us and you could talk in the chat over there and. Pastor Bill: [57:33] The podcast is available everywhere the podcast anywhere that you can buy your podcast, you can buy our podcast there for the low low cost of go to the free section. Pastor Newms: [57:42] Free yeah. 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Transcript: Berean Manifesto Live Recording! Season 3 Episode 90: Is This The End??? Or A Beginning??? Pastor Newms: [0:00] And then go hello and welcome to season 3 episode 90. Of the brand Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern. Pastor Bill: [0:13] Modern Christian. Pastor Newms: [0:14] I'm pastor newms and with me tonight is Pastor Bill. [0:21] Again yeah and yes Biggs that is the glare from the light and I'm going to fix it in a weird way because I'm not going to fix it in the correct way because to be honest, that smart light needs to be added to the house and we didn't get it added to the house in time because we went back to Home Depot and if anyone just saw I'm wearing shorts so don't judge me it's, I'm wearing shorts and I'm wearing a non graphic tee on a church night so, what's up y'all it's been a week so let's start by talking about our weeks, as I might or might not have mentioned we were doing some house stuff in preparing for a new friend to come stay with us and, he is here I'm looking at his empty desk chair at the moment because he is still downstairs eating with the girls because we got fast food while I after I dropped off the moving truck I flew out to DFW Friday, afternoon evening ish Pastor Bill and his son Gerg showed up too, our friend, I don't know if he wants us to use his real name or one of his gaming names in the Stream and I forgot to ask him because I haven't named him on purpose. Pastor Bill: [1:47] So within we use the gaming name. Pastor Newms: [1:49] Even I can't remember how to pronounce it because I'm yeah that, yeah so he's now living with us and so we're good. Pastor Bill: [2:04] Yeah he's ok he's eating but he can hear you apparently he replied Sez. Pastor Newms: [2:10] Okay gaming name and says okay perfect so. [2:20] There's no telling whether Biggs was making a joke or if there was a typo so we're just going to go with it so my so flew in on Friday Pastor Bill and Gerg, gracefully showed up to help us pack the truck which we weren't 100% expecting and so because of that we were able to get the truck packed in a couple hours instead of the almost day that I thought it was going to be of me and, me and him you know bringing stuff out we straight like, just pack the truck and so we ate dinner and then got on the road and we ended up here at about 11:00, and I just realized that I forgot to tell, Pastor Bill when we did get into Tennessee safely I just just realized that I did not communicate with him until today but that's okay because. He knows how I am so he's not going to judge me for that but. Pastor Bill: [3:22] I figured if something went wrong wrong like I'd be getting a call from your wife, and I didn't get a call from your wife so I was like I said everything is fine. Pastor Newms: [3:30] So this week is a little different as we've said yeah it's big says hey Pastor Bill he's safe in Tennessee. Pastor Bill: [3:43] Serve now because I was wondering. Pastor Newms: [3:45] Pastor Bill is back yay for those out there who didn't figure that out in the time that I've been talking and hearing him so far but that's okay we. For the next you know for the last couple of weeks we've been going through basically, it's been the there that's better he's now bigger congratulations. Pastor Bill: [4:35] You make me bigger. Pastor Newms: [4:36] I did make you bigger I made you as big as I think I make myself normally because I never fully fleshed-out what you would look like on here, I just put your box in the corner like when I need him he's there. Pastor Bill: [4:52] You put me in the corner. Pastor Newms: [4:53] I put baby in the corner so we drove here, we've been biggest came over today Biggs put up blackout curtains for our, office Biggs put up blackout curtains in his bedroom change the shower head hung some extra pictures this week that was last week he helped us get some light bulbs put in right biggs's hearing about this for the first time but the next time Biggs is over we have a couple of new things to be installed in the house that we stopped and got at Home Depot and I also got clips for the outside of the house too, run the wire that I drilled into the side of my house our Network wire, mom says I'm saying too much information and so you know it happens so yeah Biggs helped us out with a whole bunch of stuff in the house and so it's just been a kind of a runny, you know catching up week and so I did not. [6:14] Fully start the next part so we've been talking about you know the things I believed in and I. [6:25] You know kind of the things that I feel the strongest about that we either Miss as Christians or that we don't do quite right or that could be better in and that's what we've been talking about for the last several weeks, and then starting next week we're going to be talking about discipleship and being a disciple, for several weeks, based heavily on a amazing Bible study by an amazing person and we'll get into that next week, and we. So this week because the week has been a little crazy and crazy at work as well, we're just going to be talking about a filler, not a filler episode but it's not in our the format that I've been doing and it's not our next, Story series so this was kind of a filler one so Pastor Bill how was your week, do you really find it that fun being in the corner cuz you keep looking up at me. Pastor Bill: [7:47] Tell me as I can look up at you and you're like huh. Pastor Newms: [7:51] So you do see why I continue to do that to you and because it always irritates you like why are you doing that and I'll point it chat and you're like why are you pointing at chat now you see how fun it is being in the corner, and doing things like that the whole time you understand that don't you. Pastor Bill: [8:08] I understand now yeah I understand get it. Pastor Newms: [8:10] Yeah yeah so how was your week. Pastor Bill: [8:14] How is my weak man. Pastor Newms: [8:16] Let's rephrase that how was your 9 weeks, you can just talk about your week I'm joking with you they say haven't heard from you in nine weeks. Pastor Bill: [8:28] That's a lot of info to don't bother one time nine weeks worth of. Pastor Newms: [8:32] Yeah that weeks of how you do it that would be that. Pastor Bill: [8:37] On day one week one I got up and I ate breakfast. Pastor Newms: [8:39] Oh no we're not going that route homie. Pastor Bill: [8:47] Now this week was good I guess they don't remember much of the week / get the usual I mean I remember coming and helping load a trailer on Friday evening. Pastor Newms: [8:57] Yeah I just do a fidget, at our middle child walking down the stairs because I can do that because the stairs are right next to my desk so in case you guys wondered why I just went woo I literally just threw my fidget at the child, so she gave she brought me back my fidget so since she brought me back my fidget she earned a hug for bringing back my fidget that I threw at her, because that's just fair, that's fair throwing a fidget at a child's head you deserve a hug after that because that's that's. Pastor Bill: [9:45] I officially registered a child for school without yelling at the people in the office. Pastor Newms: [9:51] Did you make it through without yelling this time wow that is amazing. Pastor Bill: [9:59] Last year last year I. Pastor Newms: [10:01] Last year you yelled a lot. Pastor Bill: [10:03] Man I yell at the people in the for those poor office people that were just trying to do their jobs this year I didn't yell at nobody I'm yeah one time and nobody. Pastor Newms: [10:12] I remember. Pastor Bill: [10:13] Is now gurke and Randa are both going to public school and that starts on Wednesday morning. Pastor Newms: [10:21] Starts Wednesday morning we are officially starting school, at some point next week because we were going to start Monday but I don't think I am I don't think I'm ready to start on Monday and so, Tennessee has this whole thing where you have to be in school doing education and logging your hours for 180 days, I don't know what so it's similar there I'm assuming now. Pastor Bill: [10:56] The public school is held to that standard but homeschool is not. Pastor Newms: [11:00] So here even homeschool you have to log 180 days and so because of that the girls were like well is that going to affect and I was like no because, you don't realize like at school school you have 180 educational days so like all those days that aren't educational those don't count, those are the those are the days that they lot for, snow days that you don't take and so the that's why that's why I was like maybe that's why that's why sometimes when you go to school they're like here's this picture hey let's watch a movie hey let it's because those days were, plan for in the lesson plans and I said so you know that's one of the aspects of homeschooling you can just kinda plow through those days and then use those days for Vacations or use those two as long as you're sticking to those days, so yeah so it's been a fun. Pastor Bill: [11:59] You're also going to find that. When you go to teach something instead of like in public school it would take an hour or two hours three hours because you've got to get everybody on the same page. Pastor Newms: [12:12] Yeah. Pastor Bill: [12:12] You're going to be doing like 10 to 15 minutes of teaching and it's going to be like okay well there's, what would have been 3 hours in public school cuz now you you've already learned it can you got one on one you know so everything goes a lot quicker. Pastor Newms: [12:25] Yeah and and we're going to do a lot of fun stuff to sonoda is going to be teaching math doing the initial lessons and then I was helping with homework and stuff. Pastor Bill: [12:39] I think about getting a CPA to teach maths. Pastor Newms: [12:41] You needed another yeah having a tax accountant, teach math is a whole lot easier and she's going to be teaching Spanish which. Pastor Bill: [12:55] One. Pastor Newms: [12:58] Is great for children to learn a second language and better when it's. Pastor Bill: [13:02] Neither you nor Tina. Pastor Newms: [13:05] Speak a second language. Pastor Bill: [13:06] Spanish. Pastor Newms: [13:07] Now to be fair to Tina to zaidi she speak she understands. Pastor Bill: [13:14] We're satiable understanding. Pastor Newms: [13:16] And she can read and understand what she reads she just cannot speak, so that's cool and then we learned. Pastor Bill: [13:27] The one side of her brain gets it but the other side. Pastor Newms: [13:30] Right. Pastor Bill: [13:31] Hasn't quite gotten it. Pastor Newms: [13:33] We also learned this week that we are going to be teaching them some light Early Educational programming as well as using. Pastor Bill: [13:47] You're going to be programming your kids. Pastor Newms: [13:49] No we're not we're not going to be programming to kids but since we have a programmer who now lives. Pastor Bill: [13:56] Oh program meaning I see I see your needs them how to program. Pastor Newms: [14:01] Lives there but sits right there in his chair now as he rocks, is going to be teaching he just did this when I said as he rocks as opposed to throwing up the rock fist as opposed to the fact that he's rocking in a chair hmm anyway. Pastor Bill: [14:22] Power up your breakfast. Pastor Newms: [14:24] He's going to be teaching some programming and maybe some other stuff that's fun so we're going to have a nice well-rounded group of for this you go to this person for this you go to that person as opposed to what you've had to do and Roxas had to do is it's the two of you and your you're doing everything I'm like hey I packed the house full of adults. Pastor Bill: [14:51] There are lots of online resources to. Homeschooling lots and lots and lots of online resources. Pastor Newms: [14:58] So your week has been good my week has been good the warm-up is taking a little longer this week that's going to. Pastor Bill: [15:08] When did you take the when did you take the board down the the Whiteboard. Pastor Newms: [15:16] The Whiteboard that was right here oh you oh you didn't you didn't listen to the podcast last week. We are in a completely different room, we are in the bonus room of my house which is now the office the office is now the classroom, and so we are in a completely different room which is why and you can't you can't see it because I hit the camera earlier this week and so I'll fix it but, above me right is your wife's bats and cholo Mander now lives up there, and our love thingy is up here I stink at directional pointing and, and so I have to readjust because in moving stuff I completely hid the camera earlier this week so that's actually better now but yes there is not a whiteboard here yet I will put it back up and I will draw the little man and I will write the words above the little man that, chat can't read which is good because mmm. They weren't nice where's anyway so. Pastor Bill: [16:34] All right is it time for getting to know the pastors. Pastor Newms: [16:37] It is time to getting know the pastor's do you actually want to pull a card since I've pulled a card. Pastor Bill: [16:41] You hate my cards though. Pastor Newms: [16:43] I do hate your card so let's reminisce on the fact that I hate your cards I pulled out my deck in case you were like I don't get ready for that I don't remember. Pastor Bill: [16:57] It says. Pastor Newms: [16:58] I'm going to laugh it stinks really bad. Pastor Bill: [17:00] Serious question do you count your steps. Pastor Newms: [17:06] Do I count my steps in the way of having a wish thing that counts my steps or do I count as I walk what do you want to interpret that as. Pastor Bill: [17:16] Who would who would all day long be like 128 thousand three hundred and seventy-four. Pastor Newms: [17:23] I don't count one two three four eight thousand 34 but I do count stairs steps between rooms steps as I walk through stores when I'm unconsciously doing so I'll find myself just counting while I walk or saying words like left right left right left right left right in my brain I do not currently use a step counter because. Pastor Bill: [17:49] Lip let brightly. Pastor Newms: [17:51] No I walk much faster than that it's not that slow we're not marching we're watching we're walking here we're walking. Pastor Bill: [17:58] We're walking here I'm walking here what's your name. Pastor Newms: [18:00] So do you wear a step counter I don't think you do. [18:15] Yeah so for us no pedometer. Pastor Bill: [18:21] An Apple iPod Nano that was you know with a watch band and it would count my steps. [18:43] I just know I know I had that one the thing when I was working at Gateway and I was walking an average of about anywhere from 10 to 13 miles a day. To do all the setups everyday. Pastor Newms: [18:56] That's too much walking that's too much walking okay so we have now gotten another pastors. And we have done the warmup, and it's so nice to have Pastor Bill joining us again because I didn't take 7 minutes like it did one of the weeks okay. Pastor Bill: [19:29] Last week we're talking about. Pastor Newms: [19:31] So this week we're talking about yeah Biggs I don't want to know how many steps you take in a day either because you're on that line, just walking around cars all day long and moving up and down and I don't even want to know like that's, that's craziness so what we're talking about this week for those of you watching on Twitch or something or watching on a podcast thing it's down there at the bottom and it said it when you clicked the episode unless you're just running through episode after episode but tonight's title is is this the end question mark question mark question mark or. Pastor Bill: [20:16] Don't Dom. Pastor Newms: [20:18] A beginning question mark question mark question, just an important thing you know as me and Bill have talked about, over the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of change a lot of differences a lot of a lot of moving around a lot of all kinds, differences in things and, you know we me and Pastor Bill yesterday. No day before yesterday when we were in person we're talking about the fact that you know sometimes. [21:03] It looks like the end when it's merely the beginning of a new chapter but it is nearly impossible when you're going through that end, to see the fact of oh wait we're just going to a new chapter we're beginning a new stage where transfer, where transitioning we're transforming we're becoming different were changing what we are who we are different things like that we have we struggled to see that as, people as humans now. [21:39] This part of the discussion tonight is not religious this this area of the discussion this is just, and so it's so hard so often so so far we haven't gotten to scripture yet Biggs will get there I promise, there's only two today but we'll get there so at this point you know it's, so often we're going through things we're learning things were starting starting a new year school you know that's the end of summer break, and as a kid I remember and I know I know Pastor Bill you member and anyone out there who listens to certain comedians you member but. [22:37] The, when that summer break ends you're like it's the end of the world like I don't want to go I don't want to go back every week, the weekend ends the work week starts for people who love their job all the work weekends and the weekend starts which if that's you, please find a hobby because stop being so excited. Pastor Bill: [23:11] Paying them to do it is their Hobby. Pastor Newms: [23:13] Some people are happy all the time and I don't understand because I'm not, I got it I got a mask at work where it's like how you guys doing you guys have a great day man I hope you're having a great. I have not yet. Pastor Bill: [23:35] Not going to spoil anything. Pastor Newms: [23:36] That's good cuz. Pastor Bill: [23:37] So they're there is a character in like 1312 1292 some like that, and just life is awful you know black plague and all kinds of stuff going on and and this guy's like I'm going to live forever and they're like really you want to live forever, maybe back here in 100 years, and we're going to see and so that's that's that's as much spoilers you're going to get is that the Hundred Years passes they me back up and then like so how's life been and he's been like oh life is awful. [24:20] Want to keep going he's probably keep living and so it's just funny as some people are just here's to Happy. Pastor Newms: [24:28] They're optimistic they're optimistic about life and there's nothing wrong with that, people being optimistic is good we need those type of people in the world to balance out those of us that, art and I love the argument so many times pessimists will make the argument I'm not a pessimist I'm a realist I'm just going with what snow, you're not you're a pessimist like the rest of us stop being prideful you're just you're just a pessimist who Who quote unquote is using. Pastor Bill: [25:00] I've said that I've used that before I've said no I'm a realist, honestly that's a pessimists answer, to the question of are you a pessimist or are you an optimist it's the pessimists answer of don't put me in a box. It's you can't you can't have it your way it's got I'm going to pick a third option because I do I can't see how being in either box is a good thing. Pastor Newms: [25:28] Hm Pastor Bill: [25:29] Oh so you're look you have a pessimistic outlook on even the scenario, and so really when you think about optimism. [25:44] Is when you're flying a plane there's the attitude is are you pointing at the ground are you pointing at the sky this is your attitude in a plane and pessimism your pointed down well you're going to go down, and optimism your pointed up you're going to go up so optimists have this way of. Seeing life in a certain way that they're expecting things to get better so when they get the opportunity to pounce on something getting better, they take advantage of those situations where as pessimists are expecting things to always get worse and so when life does get worse it's a reinforcement of we'll see I told you so, and when things can get better they go no I don't trust that I don't trust that that's just that's false. Pastor Newms: [26:32] It's going to get worse I saw very interesting, me more thing I remember I saw it I don't remember what I could even call it don't matter whether it was a video or meme or something it just the thought Stuck to me and it was it was that whole glass full glass empty, and they were like oh the glass is half-full all the glass is half empty and then another person was like the glass is exactly where it should be and that was supposed to be the realist and and then the fourth person was like the glass is full, glass is full because it's full of water it's half full of water and half full of air so it's full. Pastor Bill: [27:08] Completely full. Pastor Newms: [27:09] And you're like and that's not a pessimist or an optimist that's. Pastor Bill: [27:13] That's a Lay's chips employee. Pastor Newms: [27:15] That's we have a wall that's rude that's rude homie Lays chips are not the only one who do that we are not going to bad-mouth Frito-Lay cuz I like Frito-Lay it is not just Lays chips, it's all chips all chips do that except for Pringles Pringles doesn't I saw. Pastor Bill: [27:36] Girl Scouts of the kid is he becoming a puffed up there. Pastor Newms: [27:39] I saw I saw me bit it says shout out to Pringles they don't sell air and you're like I was like what oh, it's true which Frito-Lay has a version that is and it's they were in it didn't do well so they didn't keep going for very long I don't think I don't know if they're still even around but um, so you know when we look at things like that, there's positive there's - there's middle there's this there's but one of the things we have to look at is hey, let's we have to keep going together whether you think it's the end whether you think it's a beginning whether you think it's a transitional period whatever you think it is either way, please continue to think it is and please continue to move forward that's that's what's so important and, now for the. Christian part of the Brie and Manifesto for the week okay hold on. Pastor Bill: [28:45] Hold on hold on so whenever whenever someone talks about beginnings and. [29:09] Chip getting cheated on, um and I've heard that over and over and over and over and over you know how how you enter situation is how you're going to end up leaving the situation you if you get a new job, and you just walk out on your old job no notice no you no ample do, we respect and that's bad then you're setting yourself up to reap that again. [29:45] President Biden gave a speech I don't know if it was this week or last week or maybe it was an old clip anyway it was kind of funny because he said democracy and Insurrection don't mix, and I'm sitting there laughing like you do realize you're a president of a country that started by an act of insurrection right. Like you literally lead a Democratic Republic that started by hit active Insurrection so you can't say, the two don't mix they literally and that's what created this government was an act of insurrection, and got me a little worried because then I was like oh well if we started that way then. Pastor Newms: [30:32] Wow. Pastor Bill: [30:33] Ending that way. Pastor Newms: [30:34] Well let's think about this for a second if we started that way, at War right we have continued to be at War. Pastor Bill: [30:45] We don't know if we've ever not been at some win some more. Pastor Newms: [30:49] Either a conflict or War I mean we are a nation that is conflict oriented we, internally externally infighting out fighting we are constantly, we don't really have peaceful times that's why we have one of the larger one of not the one of the largest armies in some of the largest military spending is because we are a conflict driven country and that's how we start it now, doesn't mean, that proves the adage that you said but it is an interesting thought process like you said of a good thought experiment of hey does that apply to everything like you know and 10 scary does it apply to everything often also. Pastor Bill: [31:45] That was that was the non-biblical stuff I was going through my head since I read. Pastor Newms: [31:52] Since I sent you what what we're going to try to talk. Pastor Bill: [31:54] Heads up earlier yeah. Pastor Newms: [31:55] That I sent you way late because I was sitting here going I don't know what this week should be and then. Our friend was like we've had a lot of change that's that's valid yeah let's go that route we have that whole lot of change and then of course then your mind starts you know. That is that is not. [32:31] So I was doing research and I grabbed a scripture that said what I was looking for it to say, and which is never good because as bereans this is one of those times we're going to have this conversation as bereans we always talk about you know don't just pull part of a scripture and I didn't know this was part of the scripture I assumed based on what book it was in and what it was around that it was valid, Todd so we're going to read it because the last part of this scripture is, the reason that I pulled it but this is a Nehemiah. [33:21] And it says and he said to them so let's step back a verse because let's be honest we got to do that when it's a he said so the verse starting in verse 9 Nehemiah the governor, Ezra the priest and Scribe and the Levites who were instructed the people to them this day is Holy to the Lord do not mourn or weep for all the people, we're weeping as they heard the words of the law so this was the reading of the law again in nyam Nehemiah, and then he said to them go and eat what is Rich drink what is sweet and send portions to those who have nothing prepared, since today is Holy to our Lord do not grieve because the joy of the Lord is your strength now that last half is, is we hear that a lot and it's several places in scripture but this is the one that I happened to pull that it's just part of a verse as opposed to the whole meaning, but you know the joy of the Lord is your strength. And I find it to be funny now the next verse says in the Levites quieted all the people saying be still since the day is Holy don't grieve and. [34:43] I find it kind of humorous because I picked this verse and then I said the whole thing about hey we should take this into context and now looking at it as a whole we have a situation that arises. Any Amaya you know there's a lot going on you know there's the report, it's kind of get some back story of Nehemiah. There's there's a lot I don't even know kind of how to you know everything's destroyed. You know Nehemiah helps to rebuild everything the whole city. Pastor Bill: [35:26] They were in Exile. Pastor Newms: [35:27] Yeah they were in Exile he gets the report that hey everything's trashed he weeps the king sees it the king gives him a bunch of stuff to go back they build everything, and then we get to the point where we are Warez. Pastor Bill: [35:42] While they're building it they get accused of. Pastor Newms: [35:46] Oh yeah yeah which the King was like nehemiah's homeboy because Nehemiah was like his one of his top servants and a friend. Pastor Bill: [35:56] The King was like what are you what are you talking about I gave him those supplies I don't. Pastor Newms: [36:02] Yeah I gave him the money I funded him I protected him so I sent him God. Pastor Bill: [36:08] Might as well be my project what do you mean he's trying to overthrow me. Pastor Newms: [36:12] And he's my friend and I told him to build the walls because, I didn't want him to die like and so then we get to this point and Ezra who also has, it's actually the book that comes before Nehemiah in the order that they compiled the 66 books, reads the law again to the people who were in Exile and since they were and didn't have access to everything so it's been a. Pastor Bill: [36:47] Not just yeah not just reads it but literally they have to read it and then have a translator translated into the common tongue of the day because they didn't speak the language It Was Written in any. Pastor Newms: [37:02] They read out loud the book of the law translating and giving the meaning so people could understand what was read and I love I love that it does say that translating and giving the meaning, because they lost touch with that, you know at that time and the people start weeping and are terrified and scared and sad and upset because they haven't been following it, and so then we have you know as we're going hey hey hey hey hey that's not the point of this the point is not. Pastor Bill: [37:35] This isn't this isn't a got your moment. Pastor Newms: [37:38] Yeah this isn't a gotcha this isn't a time where we should be sad upon the changes that are going to happen which I did not know this this is always funny when this happens because I did not know this is where I was pulling from, we need to Rejoice because the Lord is your strength and so that's the aspect that I wanted to pull from this area and then ended up you know if there's a lot more here to unpack. Which is. Pastor Bill: [38:05] It's the first day of a new season. Pastor Newms: [38:07] Yeah this is this is where how we're starting it, don't don't grieve don't get upset and then so the people did in verse 12 the people began to eat and drink and they sent portions to the people that couldn't and they had a great celebration because they understood the words that were explained to them once it was explained, and it and then they have a feast directly after the next day and you know keeps going but it's it's that aspect of, here to beat you down not you know as we transition into New Seasons, we can lean on the Lord because even if we feel because often as humans we try to find the worst in it Human Nature, to most of us not all most of us is pestis it pessimistic it is we have a tendency as humans to find the - to find the, in other people in situations you know across the board and so. [39:18] Ask for transitioning into new sections the Lord isn't there to be like this is a punishment so because of that, I'm cutting you off of this situation in forcing you into a new one it's often hey this is a new situation let me let me help you you know we need to lean, on the Lord but not and not you know. Stress out about okay why is this happening to me I'm not saying we don't because let's be honest we all do but there's bill just flashed us off for some reason what did you. Pastor Bill: [39:58] Sorry. Pastor Newms: [39:59] The light just what light did you touch on your computer that caused all that to happen uh-huh. Oh Pastor Bill: [40:11] Adhesive gave up I guess. Pastor Newms: [40:12] It just it just illuminated the side of your face all of a sudden like hello. Pastor Bill: [40:16] It just it just fell it's just this. Pastor Newms: [40:20] Oh okay. Yeah that's that's funny so that you know that's that's the Aryan Emi of you know, the joy of the Lord is your strength that's the meaning behind that it's not just hey this hey that it's not just you know, the Lord says to always be joyful its hey the Lord is joyful in us the Lord is joyful with us the Lord is so lean on that, and find strength in that not, you know I've heard this verse not this particular but that saying used like the joy of the Lord is your strength so you have to be happy in order to get it because it's joy in the Lord and you're like no well no no no no it's fine, from the Lord. Pastor Bill: [41:16] So I was reminded of a scripture and I had to look it up real quick just to make sure I was coming out right and it's from Lamentations, now if you don't know Lamentations Lamentations is, it's a collection of small versus or poems or however you want to say it and when you're reading through limitations you'll get a new, a new title legs a in cheff teth yodh calf um, and these are no markers to let you know this is where we've cut source and we're pulling from a new source now, so we want to turn the Lamentations chapter 3 if you're turning if you're not whatever Lamentations chapter 3 and we're going to start in verse 22 right so not only does the Lord say Okay I want a new season let's move forward but, when you look in Lamentations it reads because the Lord's faithful love we do not perish, for his mercies never end they are new every morning great is your faithfulness I say the Lord is my portion therefore I will put my hope in him, it's not just that God isn't doesn't want to gotcha for things you've done in the past and suddenly there's some new thing, any you know he wants to turn over some big New Leaf it's literally that every morning. [42:45] God is looking for the opportunity for you to go hey let's move forward from this point on. [42:54] And God is going cool let's do it let's let's put aside everything that came before this point and let's move forward every morning, every morning he's looking for that opportunity. Pastor Newms: [43:08] And and I find I'm actually going to go to the verse before that, you know we started in 22 but if you look at 21 it's like yet I call this to mind and therefore I have hope so it's him remembering this as he's talking. Pastor Bill: [43:25] It's not really because that's anyway. So it's a chopped-up thing and they put things together to create Lamentations so yes the person that collected it decided to put that there, but it's a it's an excerpt from something else that then they said well this would flow well if we put it here. Pastor Newms: [43:46] Yes I forget that about limitations that it's a hodgepodge and not just a hodgepodge from like the normal, way certain areas like Psalms is put together its. Pastor Bill: [44:01] Think of think of like like, macrame to like tell a silly story you like you're cutting out I'm going to take this sentence from this newspaper and this sentence from this magazine and then put them together as if they were the same writing that's that's kind of what limitations is. Pastor Newms: [44:20] And I don't have one that's got it denoted well because the source I'm using does not have it to know did well. Pastor Bill: [44:27] Yeah but between 21 and 22 is one of those cuts. Pastor Newms: [44:29] Okay okay it does flow well though I mean because the area above it and then I was gonna say you know let's go even farther it's straight up like. Pastor Bill: [44:44] Yeah I'm in a dark place I am. Pastor Newms: [44:45] I'm in a dark place I remember them and have become depressed and yet so they did well putting it together because it's like you know next thing. Pastor Bill: [44:58] Well in hindsight it's really easy to go to to poetically pull together these themes and then have a translator then translate it into another language probably two or three times to get to where we are now so that it, it sounds and feels like one writing you know what I mean. Pastor Newms: [45:17] So I'm going to jump now to I'm not going to highlight come on word behave yourself what I want to look at now is Isaiah 41:10, and it's do not fear for I am with you do not be afraid for I am your God I will strengthen you I will help you I will hold onto you with my righteous right hand so, again it's one of those things where hey hey I'm not here to you know, Force this upon you and shove this change down your throat and to you know yes you're going through something and while you're going through it I'm right here and you know it. Pastor Bill: [46:07] Like yeah. Pastor Newms: [46:09] It brings upon that that poem, that you know the footprints in the sand I don't remember who wrote it but it's that whole thing of you know why do I only see one footprint did you abandon me in these times and this like know I was carrying you and, where's that's not necessarily, scriptural in this is the exact way you know that story isn't written in scripture these are examples of that of no no I was right there. Pastor Bill: [46:41] There's there's this sentiment is is is in the Quran as well this idea of, don't fear the lord your God is right there with you and the idea that it Expresses in the court which okay so you know as a as a person myself I believe a lot like Paul does and he says, you know you can look at everything and take everything that's good, and point you to God and keep it and then reject everything that doesn't right so there's there's this idea in the Quran that God is as close as your throat right and the idea is that you're your jugular vein, you know that you see people slitted movies or whatever that God is that clothes he's as close as your jugular vein in your neck, and what could be closer than that vein what could be more involved in your life than if someone who is that close, right there he's going through it with you he's there to protect you and to guide you and he feels all the pain that you feel because he's right there, so I like that idea I have that same idea that this verse you know expresses. Pastor Newms: [47:55] So Biggs just said to help submit the fact that I forgot something, he cemented the fact that I did not forget it and I'm assuming this also came from my wonderful mother, they don't know who wrote Footprints in the Sand so I didn't forget so that makes me happy because overall, no one knows so I didn't forget we just don't know, but that's you know that's kind of what I wanted to talk about tonight and. Pastor Bill do you have anything else on this topic now that we're back to our almost our format. Pastor Bill: [48:55] Overtime 12 different people have claimed credit for writing that poem. Pastor Newms: [49:02] You had already Googled it now now you see also why it's so easy to Google when you're in the corner because you're not the one leading. Pastor Bill: [49:11] No one and no one can actually prove beyond a shadow of a doubt their claim. Pastor Newms: [49:16] Ah what time period did it show up in originally. Pastor Bill: [49:33] 19:36 is the earliest appearance of footprint in the sand. Pastor Newms: [49:36] Really I thought it was older than that interesting okay. Pastor Bill: [49:41] There is a there is a. Pastor Newms: [49:52] But not exactly. [49:57] Interesting so that's kind of what I wanted to talk about tonight and and then you know gay Pastor Bill joined us to talk about it as well. And you know is that whole aspect of change happens change sucks, it is painful we hate it no matter why the change is there now normally you know you're building muscle change sucks you turning your chair and your tweak your back change sucks because she changed position get it. Pastor Bill: [50:29] Sometimes sometimes there's a good change. Pastor Newms: [50:31] Sometimes there are good changes but that doesn't mean it's not painful sometimes sometimes there is good change that isn't. When you're like me and have that little touch of neuro Divergence little touch that's cute when your inner Divergent change pretty much always sucks even if you're just changing. Pastor Bill: [50:53] When your when your workplace is like oh we looked at your resume wrong when we hired you should have started at this rate so now we're going to raise your current rate of pay to this because of it that's good chick. Pastor Newms: [51:06] You going to change my job title you can change my job responsibilities to or just my pay. Pastor Bill: [51:11] Schnapps to pay. Pastor Newms: [51:12] All right that would be a good change that yeah I agree okay so fine way to find flaw in my statements. Pastor Bill: [51:21] Applause I found an optimist point of. Pastor Newms: [51:24] Oh don't start with me with that we just had this argument we're not going backwards all right so that being said I do not know why I just clapped on the mic because that is rude as all get out, thank you guys for joining us we record this live at 6:30, Sunday evenings sometimes it's 631 because my stuff was not together at 6:30 but and we do so with a five minute countdown that was I don't even know how many minutes, cuz I restarted it four times, it's nice been fun and that's why you should join us live not just listening to the recording because we are much more fun, live and you can join us in the chat like Biggs did in Phoenix did and zadie and even Pastor Bill at one point. Pastor Bill: [52:25] Even even petelin borrow from. Pastor Newms: [52:27] Yeah from twitch good job there whoever you are you know, you can join us in chat you can become part of the conversation because this isn't supposed to be one-sided us saying things and you just listening and following our you know what we said because that's the whole point of the Brean lifestyle is to study and to learn together, and so, you know join us we are on Twitch Facebook YouTube and you can go to EK K dot house to see which of each of those had in say it this time. Pastor Bill: [53:02] I didn't say we could switch. Pastor Newms: [53:03] And we love you and we will talk to you again next week. Pastor Bill: [53:13] Do I say be safe. Pastor Newms: [53:14] You have to say be safe out there now yeah, it's just a little head little head has to say be safe yeah the little head has to say be safe so we love you and have a good.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:17 - 5:1 A continuing study of 1st Thessalonians using proper hermeneutical and exegetical principles to, in keeping with the spirit of a Berean attitude and with the Reformation, whose principle ideal was Sola Scriptura.
Mark Vincent isn't the only friend of Pastor James Loomer's who's got a questionable past. Get to know Milford Christian Academy's headmaster and head disciplinarian, Mrs. Susan Martin. Listen to audio from students who survived Berean on how Mrs. Martin cultivated and perpetuated her power over the children with the fear of hell.
In this episode of The Vortex Apologetic, Beef and the Brain discuss the FBI raid at Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago. The Brain, a retired cop, gives his thoughts on the raid and what to expect moving forward. Also, the guys talk about how the news gives us a false perspective on life. Tune in, listen and be a Berean! Episode recorded on August 9, 2022
Hey Friends, As we continue with the "Last Days" teaching I wanted to expand a little on what the Bible says the future looks like. I encourage you to "be like a Berean" to figure out what you believe! Do you have a solid handle on what it means when someone talks about the Rapture and the Tribulation Time? Or, have you sworn off end time conversations and study because a "hell fire and brimstone" preacher scared the bee-jeebies out of you when you were a kid? Do you tend to avoid studying books of the Bible like Revelation and Ezekiel? It's easy be too busy to tackle topics related to Bible prophecy with an attitude of "well it's just too complicated." Today, we are going to do ask some questions, look at some passages and hopefully do a high level overview of what the Rapture is and when it happens on the Biblical timeline of prophecy! Did you know I have freebies for you over on my website? Don't miss our study looking at the Proverbs 31 woman! It's pretty cool and goes right along with today's episode. New Bible Study: Busy Women Get It Done, A Look at Proverbs 31 Cool Resources for my freebies and downloads: www.kathylanham.com Great Podcasts & Resources: The Prophecy Pros, Jeff Kinley & Todd Hampson Podcast Books: The Prophecy Pros' Illustrated Guide To Tough Questions About the End Times The Non-Prophet's Guide to the End Times; Bible Prophecy For Everyone Book Trilogy by Donna VanLiere The Time of Jacob's Trouble The Day of Ezekiel's Hope Daniel's Final Week Socially Connect with me @kathylanham FB Community- Productivity & Proverbs 31 Community Blessings, Kathy
With family: Judges 16; Acts 20 Judges 16 (Listen) Samson and Delilah 16 Samson went to Gaza, and there he saw a prostitute, and he went in to her. 2 The Gazites were told, “Samson has come here.” And they surrounded the place and set an ambush for him all night at the gate of the city. They kept quiet all night, saying, “Let us wait till the light of the morning; then we will kill him.” 3 But Samson lay till midnight, and at midnight he arose and took hold of the doors of the gate of the city and the two posts, and pulled them up, bar and all, and put them on his shoulders and carried them to the top of the hill that is in front of Hebron. 4 After this he loved a woman in the Valley of Sorek, whose name was Delilah. 5 And the lords of the Philistines came up to her and said to her, “Seduce him, and see where his great strength lies, and by what means we may overpower him, that we may bind him to humble him. And we will each give you 1,100 pieces of silver.” 6 So Delilah said to Samson, “Please tell me where your great strength lies, and how you might be bound, that one could subdue you.” 7 Samson said to her, “If they bind me with seven fresh bowstrings that have not been dried, then I shall become weak and be like any other man.” 8 Then the lords of the Philistines brought up to her seven fresh bowstrings that had not been dried, and she bound him with them. 9 Now she had men lying in ambush in an inner chamber. And she said to him, “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” But he snapped the bowstrings, as a thread of flax snaps when it touches the fire. So the secret of his strength was not known. 10 Then Delilah said to Samson, “Behold, you have mocked me and told me lies. Please tell me how you might be bound.” 11 And he said to her, “If they bind me with new ropes that have not been used, then I shall become weak and be like any other man.” 12 So Delilah took new ropes and bound him with them and said to him, “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” And the men lying in ambush were in an inner chamber. But he snapped the ropes off his arms like a thread. 13 Then Delilah said to Samson, “Until now you have mocked me and told me lies. Tell me how you might be bound.” And he said to her, “If you weave the seven locks of my head with the web and fasten it tight with the pin, then I shall become weak and be like any other man.” 14 So while he slept, Delilah took the seven locks of his head and wove them into the web.1 And she made them tight with the pin and said to him, “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” But he awoke from his sleep and pulled away the pin, the loom, and the web. 15 And she said to him, “How can you say, ‘I love you,' when your heart is not with me? You have mocked me these three times, and you have not told me where your great strength lies.” 16 And when she pressed him hard with her words day after day, and urged him, his soul was vexed to death. 17 And he told her all his heart, and said to her, “A razor has never come upon my head, for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb. If my head is shaved, then my strength will leave me, and I shall become weak and be like any other man.” 18 When Delilah saw that he had told her all his heart, she sent and called the lords of the Philistines, saying, “Come up again, for he has told me all his heart.” Then the lords of the Philistines came up to her and brought the money in their hands. 19 She made him sleep on her knees. And she called a man and had him shave off the seven locks of his head. Then she began to torment him, and his strength left him. 20 And she said, “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” And he awoke from his sleep and said, “I will go out as at other times and shake myself free.” But he did not know that the LORD had left him. 21 And the Philistines seized him and gouged out his eyes and brought him down to Gaza and bound him with bronze shackles. And he ground at the mill in the prison. 22 But the hair of his head began to grow again after it had been shaved. The Death of Samson 23 Now the lords of the Philistines gathered to offer a great sacrifice to Dagon their god and to rejoice, and they said, “Our god has given Samson our enemy into our hand.” 24 And when the people saw him, they praised their god. For they said, “Our god has given our enemy into our hand, the ravager of our country, who has killed many of us.”2 25 And when their hearts were merry, they said, “Call Samson, that he may entertain us.” So they called Samson out of the prison, and he entertained them. They made him stand between the pillars. 26 And Samson said to the young man who held him by the hand, “Let me feel the pillars on which the house rests, that I may lean against them.” 27 Now the house was full of men and women. All the lords of the Philistines were there, and on the roof there were about 3,000 men and women, who looked on while Samson entertained. 28 Then Samson called to the LORD and said, “O Lord GOD, please remember me and please strengthen me only this once, O God, that I may be avenged on the Philistines for my two eyes.” 29 And Samson grasped the two middle pillars on which the house rested, and he leaned his weight against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other. 30 And Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines.” Then he bowed with all his strength, and the house fell upon the lords and upon all the people who were in it. So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he had killed during his life. 31 Then his brothers and all his family came down and took him and brought him up and buried him between Zorah and Eshtaol in the tomb of Manoah his father. He had judged Israel twenty years. Footnotes  16:14 Compare Septuagint; Hebrew lacks and fasten it tight . . . into the web  16:24 Or who has multiplied our slain (ESV) Acts 20 (Listen) Paul in Macedonia and Greece 20 After the uproar ceased, Paul sent for the disciples, and after encouraging them, he said farewell and departed for Macedonia. 2 When he had gone through those regions and had given them much encouragement, he came to Greece. 3 There he spent three months, and when a plot was made against him by the Jews1 as he was about to set sail for Syria, he decided to return through Macedonia. 4 Sopater the Berean, son of Pyrrhus, accompanied him; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timothy; and the Asians, Tychicus and Trophimus. 5 These went on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas, 6 but we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days we came to them at Troas, where we stayed for seven days. Eutychus Raised from the Dead 7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upper room where we were gathered. 9 And a young man named Eutychus, sitting at the window, sank into a deep sleep as Paul talked still longer. And being overcome by sleep, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead. 10 But Paul went down and bent over him, and taking him in his arms, said, “Do not be alarmed, for his life is in him.” 11 And when Paul had gone up and had broken bread and eaten, he conversed with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed. 12 And they took the youth away alive, and were not a little comforted. 13 But going ahead to the ship, we set sail for Assos, intending to take Paul aboard there, for so he had arranged, intending himself to go by land. 14 And when he met us at Assos, we took him on board and went to Mitylene. 15 And sailing from there we came the following day opposite Chios; the next day we touched at Samos; and2 the day after that we went to Miletus. 16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he might not have to spend time in Asia, for he was hastening to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost. Paul Speaks to the Ephesian Elders 17 Now from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called the elders of the church to come to him. 18 And when they came to him, he said to them: “You yourselves know how I lived among you the whole time from the first day that I set foot in Asia, 19 serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials that happened to me through the plots of the Jews; 20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house, 21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.3 22 And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by4 the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there, 23 except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. 24 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again. 26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, 27 for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God,5 which he obtained with his own blood.6 29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. 32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified. 33 I coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel. 34 You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me. 35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'” 36 And when he had said these things, he knelt down and prayed with them all. 37 And there was much weeping on the part of all; they embraced Paul and kissed him, 38 being sorrowful most of all because of the word he had spoken, that they would not see his face again. And they accompanied him to the ship. Footnotes  20:3 Greek Ioudaioi probably refers here to Jewish religious leaders, and others under their influence, in that time; also verse 19  20:15 Some manuscripts add after remaining at Trogyllium  20:21 Some manuscripts omit Christ  20:22 Or bound in  20:28 Some manuscripts of the Lord  20:28 Or with the blood of his Own (ESV) In private: Jeremiah 29; Mark 15 Jeremiah 29 (Listen) Jeremiah's Letter to the Exiles 29 These are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem to the surviving elders of the exiles, and to the priests, the prophets, and all the people, whom Nebuchadnezzar had taken into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon. 2 This was after King Jeconiah and the queen mother, the eunuchs, the officials of Judah and Jerusalem, the craftsmen, and the metal workers had departed from Jerusalem. 3 The letter was sent by the hand of Elasah the son of Shaphan and Gemariah the son of Hilkiah, whom Zedekiah king of Judah sent to Babylon to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. It said: 4 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, to all the exiles whom I have sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon: 5 Build houses and live in them; plant gardens and eat their produce. 6 Take wives and have sons and daughters; take wives for your sons, and give your daughters in marriage, that they may bear sons and daughters; multiply there, and do not decrease. 7 But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the LORD on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare. 8 For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are among you deceive you, and do not listen to the dreams that they dream,1 9 for it is a lie that they are prophesying to you in my name; I did not send them, declares the LORD. 10 “For thus says the LORD: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place. 11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare2 and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. 12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. 13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you, declares the LORD, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the LORD, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile. 15 “Because you have said, ‘The LORD has raised up prophets for us in Babylon,' 16 thus says the LORD concerning the king who sits on the throne of David, and concerning all the people who dwell in this city, your kinsmen who did not go out with you into exile: 17 ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, behold, I am sending on them sword, famine, and pestilence, and I will make them like vile figs that are so rotten they cannot be eaten. 18 I will pursue them with sword, famine, and pestilence, and will make them a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a curse, a terror, a hissing, and a reproach among all the nations where I have driven them, 19 because they did not pay attention to my words, declares the LORD, that I persistently sent to you by my servants the prophets, but you would not listen, declares the LORD.' 20 Hear the word of the LORD, all you exiles whom I sent away from Jerusalem to Babylon: 21 ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, concerning Ahab the son of Kolaiah and Zedekiah the son of Maaseiah, who are prophesying a lie to you in my name: Behold, I will deliver them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and he shall strike them down before your eyes. 22 Because of them this curse shall be used by all the exiles from Judah in Babylon: “The LORD make you like Zedekiah and Ahab, whom the king of Babylon roasted in the fire,” 23 because they have done an outrageous thing in Israel, they have committed adultery with their neighbors' wives, and they have spoken in my name lying words that I did not command them. I am the one who knows, and I am witness, declares the LORD.'” Shemaiah's False Prophecy 24 To Shemaiah of Nehelam you shall say: 25 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: You have sent letters in your name to all the people who are in Jerusalem, and to Zephaniah the son of Maaseiah the priest, and to all the priests, saying, 26 ‘The LORD has made you priest instead of Jehoiada the priest, to have charge in the house of the LORD over every madman who prophesies, to put him in the stocks and neck irons. 27 Now why have you not rebuked Jeremiah of Anathoth who is prophesying to you? 28 For he has sent to us in Babylon, saying, “Your exile will be long; build houses and live in them, and plant gardens and eat their produce.”'” 29 Zephaniah the priest read this letter in the hearing of Jeremiah the prophet. 30 Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 31 “Send to all the exiles, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD concerning Shemaiah of Nehelam: Because Shemaiah had prophesied to you when I did not send him, and has made you trust in a lie, 32 therefore thus says the LORD: Behold, I will punish Shemaiah of Nehelam and his descendants. He shall not have anyone living among this people, and he shall not see the good that I will do to my people, declares the LORD, for he has spoken rebellion against the LORD.'” Footnotes  29:8 Hebrew your dreams, which you cause to dream  29:11 Or peace (ESV) Mark 15 (Listen) Jesus Delivered to Pilate 15 And as soon as it was morning, the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council. And they bound Jesus and led him away and delivered him over to Pilate. 2 And Pilate asked him, “Are you the King of the Jews?” And he answered him, “You have said so.” 3 And the chief priests accused him of many things. 4 And Pilate again asked him, “Have you no answer to make? See how many charges they bring against you.” 5 But Jesus made no further answer, so that Pilate was amazed. Pilate Delivers Jesus to Be Crucified 6 Now at the feast he used to release for them one prisoner for whom they asked. 7 And among the rebels in prison, who had committed murder in the insurrection, there was a man called Barabbas. 8 And the crowd came up and began to ask Pilate to do as he usually did for them. 9 And he answered them, saying, “Do you want me to release for you the King of the Jews?” 10 For he perceived that it was out of envy that the chief priests had delivered him up. 11 But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have him release for them Barabbas instead. 12 And Pilate again said to them, “Then what shall I do with the man you call the King of the Jews?” 13 And they cried out again, “Crucify him.” 14 And Pilate said to them, “Why? What evil has he done?” But they shouted all the more, “Crucify him.” 15 So Pilate, wishing to satisfy the crowd, released for them Barabbas, and having scourged1 Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified. Jesus Is Mocked 16 And the soldiers led him away inside the palace (that is, the governor's headquarters),2 and they called together the whole battalion.3 17 And they clothed him in a purple cloak, and twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on him. 18 And they began to salute him, “Hail, King of the Jews!” 19 And they were striking his head with a reed and spitting on him and kneeling down in homage to him. 20 And when they had mocked him, they stripped him of the purple cloak and put his own clothes on him. And they led him out to crucify him. The Crucifixion 21 And they compelled a passerby, Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to carry his cross. 22 And they brought him to the place called Golgotha (which means Place of a Skull). 23 And they offered him wine mixed with myrrh, but he did not take it. 24 And they crucified him and divided his garments among them, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take. 25 And it was the third hour4 when they crucified him. 26 And the inscription of the charge against him read, “The King of the Jews.” 27 And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right and one on his left.5 29 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads and saying, “Aha! You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, 30 save yourself, and come down from the cross!” 31 So also the chief priests with the scribes mocked him to one another, saying, “He saved others; he cannot save himself. 32 Let the Christ, the King of Israel, come down now from the cross that we may see and believe.” Those who were crucified with him also reviled him. The Death of Jesus 33 And when the sixth hour6 had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.7 34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 35 And some of the bystanders hearing it said, “Behold, he is calling Elijah.” 36 And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down.” 37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last. 38 And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that in this way he8 breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son9 of God!” 40 There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome. 41 When he was in Galilee, they followed him and ministered to him, and there were also many other women who came up with him to Jerusalem. Jesus Is Buried 42 And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council, who was also himself looking for the kingdom of God, took courage and went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate was surprised to hear that he should have already died.10 And summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he was already dead. 45 And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead, he granted the corpse to Joseph. 46 And Joseph11 bought a linen shroud, and taking him down, wrapped him in the linen shroud and laid him in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. 47 Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid. Footnotes  15:15 A Roman judicial penalty, consisting of a severe beating with a multi-lashed whip containing embedded pieces of bone and metal  15:16 Greek the praetorium  15:16 Greek cohort; a tenth of a Roman legion, usually about 600 men  15:25 That is, 9 a.m.  15:27 Some manuscripts insert verse 28: And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “He was numbered with the transgressors”  15:33 That is, noon  15:33 That is, 3 p.m.  15:39 Some manuscripts insert cried out and  15:39 Or a son  15:44 Or Pilate wondered whether he had already died  15:46 Greek he (ESV)
Hey Friends, I love bringing in a little juicy topic now and then to encourage you to "be like a Berean" to figure out what you believe! Do you have a solid handle on what it means when someone talks about the Rapture? Feel confused because that actual word isn't in Scripture? (Hint: neither is the Trinity, but...) Or, have you sworn off end time conversations and study because a "hell fire and brimstone" preacher scared the bee-jeebies out of you when you were a kid? Do you tend to avoid studying books of the Bible like Revelation and Ezekiel? It's easy be too busy to tackle topics related to Bible prophecy with an attitude of "well it's just too complicated." Today, we are going to do ask some questions, look at some passages and hopefully do a high level overview of what the Rapture is and when it happens on the Biblical timeline of prophecy! Did you know I have freebies for you over on my website? Don't miss our study looking at the Proverbs 31 woman! It's pretty cool and goes right along with today's episode. New Bible Study: Busy Women Get It Done, A Look at Proverbs 31 Cool Resources for my freebies and downloads: www.kathylanham.com Great Podcasts & Resources: The Prophecy Pros, Jeff Kinley & Todd Hampson Podcast Books: The Prophecy Pros' Illustrated Guide To Tough Questions About the End Times The Non-Prophet's Guide to the End Times; Bible Prophecy For Everyone Book Trilogy by Donna VanLiere The Time of Jacob's Trouble The Day of Ezekiel's Hope Daniel's Final Week Socially Connect with me @kathylanham FB Community- Productivity & Proverbs 31 Community Blessings, Kathy
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:7 - 4:16 A continuing study of 1st Thessalonians using proper hermeneutical and exegetical principles to, in keeping with the spirit of a Berean attitude and with the Reformation, whose principle ideal was Sola Scriptura.
In this episode of The Vortex Apologetic, Beef and the Brain discuss the urgency to have discernment as Christians and as a Church, and also, a challenge to stop being naive about things (the government, Rom 13). Tune in, listen and be a Berean! Episode recorded on July 26, 2022
Learn the history of Milford Christian Church, formerly known as Berean Assembly of God, its Pastor, James Loomer, and their connections to Mark Vincent. Explore the academics offered by Milford Christian Academy, or Berean Academy, as offered by Pastor Loomer and his team of teachers, including his right-hand woman Susan Martin, according to the Principle Approach. Hear the voices of former Berean students and begin to understand how their present might echo Doreen Vincent's past, in a reflection of what Dateline's Josh Mankiewicz calls The Ripple Effect of Murder.
By Elizabeth Prata A reader took issue with me recently, saying that me pointing out things related to a teacher's lifestyle is hitting below the belt, is wrong, and now she has to wonder at my heart motivations. This kind of discussion often comes up when I post about a false teacher's lifestyle. People seem to think that their lifestyle is off-limits while only comparing their doctrine is acceptable. That is what being a Berean is all about, look at doctrine only, they say. Lifestyle is off the plate and not our business. But is it? Tune in for verses, biblical concepts, and a hearty discussion about discernment. it's for your spiritual health. This episode is also available as a blog post: http://the-end-time.org/2022/07/25/should-we-look-at-a-teachers-lifestyle-or-only-his-her-doctrine/
1 Thessalonians Chapter 3:5 - 4:6 A continuing study of 1st Thessalonians using proper hermeneutical and exegetical principles to, in keeping with the spirit of a Berean attitude and with the Reformation, whose principle ideal was Sola Scriptura.
Morning: Psalms 22–24 Psalms 22–24 (Listen) Why Have You Forsaken Me? To the choirmaster: according to The Doe of the Dawn. A Psalm of David. 22 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, from the words of my groaning?2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer, and by night, but I find no rest. 3 Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises1 of Israel.4 In you our fathers trusted; they trusted, and you delivered them.5 To you they cried and were rescued; in you they trusted and were not put to shame. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by mankind and despised by the people.7 All who see me mock me; they make mouths at me; they wag their heads;8 “He trusts in the LORD; let him deliver him; let him rescue him, for he delights in him!” 9 Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother's breasts.10 On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother's womb you have been my God.11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near, and there is none to help. 12 Many bulls encompass me; strong bulls of Bashan surround me;13 they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it is melted within my breast;15 my strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to my jaws; you lay me in the dust of death. 16 For dogs encompass me; a company of evildoers encircles me; they have pierced my hands and feet2—17 I can count all my bones— they stare and gloat over me;18 they divide my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots. 19 But you, O LORD, do not be far off! O you my help, come quickly to my aid!20 Deliver my soul from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dog!21 Save me from the mouth of the lion! You have rescued3 me from the horns of the wild oxen! 22 I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will praise you:23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him, and stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel!24 For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the afflicted, and he has not hidden his face from him, but has heard, when he cried to him. 25 From you comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will perform before those who fear him.26 The afflicted4 shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the LORD! May your hearts live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations shall worship before you.28 For kingship belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations. 29 All the prosperous of the earth eat and worship; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, even the one who could not keep himself alive.30 Posterity shall serve him; it shall be told of the Lord to the coming generation;31 they shall come and proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn, that he has done it. The Lord Is My Shepherd A Psalm of David. 23 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.2 He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters.53 He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness6 for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,7 I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.6 Surely8 goodness and mercy9 shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell10 in the house of the LORD forever.11 The King of Glory A Psalm of David. 24 The earth is the LORD's and the fullness thereof,12 the world and those who dwell therein,2 for he has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the rivers. 3 Who shall ascend the hill of the LORD? And who shall stand in his holy place?4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false and does not swear deceitfully.5 He will receive blessing from the LORD and righteousness from the God of his salvation.6 Such is the generation of those who seek him, who seek the face of the God of Jacob.13 Selah 7 Lift up your heads, O gates! And be lifted up, O ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in.8 Who is this King of glory? The LORD, strong and mighty, the LORD, mighty in battle!9 Lift up your heads, O gates! And lift them up, O ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in.10 Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory! Selah Footnotes  22:3 Or dwelling in the praises  22:16 Some Hebrew manuscripts, Septuagint, Vulgate, Syriac; most Hebrew manuscripts like a lion [they are at] my hands and feet  22:21 Hebrew answered  22:26 Or The meek  23:2 Hebrew beside waters of rest  23:3 Or in right paths  23:4 Or the valley of deep darkness  23:6 Or Only  23:6 Or steadfast love  23:6 Or shall return to dwell  23:6 Hebrew for length of days  24:1 Or and all that fills it  24:6 Septuagint, Syriac, and two Hebrew manuscripts; Masoretic Text who seek your face, Jacob (ESV) Evening: Acts 20:1–16 Acts 20:1–16 (Listen) Paul in Macedonia and Greece 20 After the uproar ceased, Paul sent for the disciples, and after encouraging them, he said farewell and departed for Macedonia. 2 When he had gone through those regions and had given them much encouragement, he came to Greece. 3 There he spent three months, and when a plot was made against him by the Jews1 as he was about to set sail for Syria, he decided to return through Macedonia. 4 Sopater the Berean, son of Pyrrhus, accompanied him; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timothy; and the Asians, Tychicus and Trophimus. 5 These went on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas, 6 but we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days we came to them at Troas, where we stayed for seven days. Eutychus Raised from the Dead 7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upper room where we were gathered. 9 And a young man named Eutychus, sitting at the window, sank into a deep sleep as Paul talked still longer. And being overcome by sleep, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead. 10 But Paul went down and bent over him, and taking him in his arms, said, “Do not be alarmed, for his life is in him.” 11 And when Paul had gone up and had broken bread and eaten, he conversed with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed. 12 And they took the youth away alive, and were not a little comforted. 13 But going ahead to the ship, we set sail for Assos, intending to take Paul aboard there, for so he had arranged, intending himself to go by land. 14 And when he met us at Assos, we took him on board and went to Mitylene. 15 And sailing from there we came the following day opposite Chios; the next day we touched at Samos; and2 the day after that we went to Miletus. 16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he might not have to spend time in Asia, for he was hastening to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost. Footnotes  20:3 Greek Ioudaioi probably refers here to Jewish religious leaders, and others under their influence, in that time; also verse 19  20:15 Some manuscripts add after remaining at Trogyllium (ESV)
Series: Lampstand Letters Title: The Confused Church Text: Revelation 2:12-17 Today's Topic – How to clear up doctrinal confusion in the church 1. Realize what's at stake 2. Understand rightly what the Bible is 3. Recognize Satan's strategy to bring about confusion 4. Be doggedly Berean 5. Stay under the safety of your church confession…
S3Ep85 - But Leviticus Says... [0:00] Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 85 of the Berean Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian I am pastor newms and as you can see we are not joined still by Pastor Bill he is still on his sabbatical and, so you know this is where we would usually talk about how our week went by we went pretty good, I was real busy with work and so this that was kind of. Busy. I set up an ark server and started playing Ark again it's been playing Pokemon Legend of our rqs or however you say it some but not much. And then you know just busy with work. [1:01] The two kind of fun things happened this weekend. One is groggy in the best or the best came over and. [1:14] Have been hanging out has been hanging out and played some board games with the family Phoenix is not here and the reason. Phoenix is in here. It's because she's currently dog-sitting because my parents today is their 40th, wedding anniversary which is why Biggs is not here which he usually is one of our vocal. People and he is not here because he is celebrating his. [1:54] Like his 40th wedding anniversary which is you know a huge deal which means I am also getting very old because I am only two years behind that so that's um been our week it's been pretty good I'd like to also say happy Fourth of July to everyone in our live world those of you that are here. [2:23] Those aspects you know yours is for tomorrow yeah thank you twitch for telling me your. That we were alive right now. Six minutes after and that right there is part of the reason why we have the 5 minute countdown that are recorded, I'm sure you'll get the podcast on Wednesdays they don't get that that 5-minute pre Countdown Just because, it's not really a reason to put it on a podcast but on twitch sometimes it doesn't the messages don't go out right away because email clients and and everything else that happens, so we yes we have that five minute countdown so that was fun, got to hang out the girls are still a little shaken up from the car accident they had last week that I talked about and so that was a little rough, but they're doing a lot better if we got a rental car and. [3:28] For those that are hearing this on Wednesday or later date, happy July 4th to you guys as well I hope it was good for you and I hope all of us that are here it is good for us being that this is recorded on July 3rd. That's kind of how my week went nothing crazy nothing big nothing huge on my board of work stuff and everything like that. So onto my favorite / not favorite and I don't know why I'm still doing this without Pastor Bill, making me do it but now it's just part of the thing we do each week so we have to do it is getting no the pasture so we're pulling from the chat pack what is. The longest line you have ever stood in longest line I've ever stood in. [4:27] Now wonder we are we thinking. Group or what is the longest line. We've ever stood in so from a person standpoint it would have to be either getting into concerts that I've gotten into. Or events I can't even think of the longest one time would have to be. I don't really know I don't go to amusement parks much so I don't stand in those kind of lines it have to be to get into a concert most of those you know, don't really anymore so I'm gonna have to say a recent one that happened that's probably going to happen again in a couple weeks, that's not 45 minutes for a cheeseburger so when what the. [5:33] Okay okay I'm going to have to get back to both of those in just a moment but for me probably the longest wait time and line I've been in was when the Water Burger opened up in. Whatever the city is the starts with an H. Up in Nashville we drove 45 minutes up there and then stood in line for like well sat in line in our car for like two and a half hours. [6:06] All five of us both our girls me is Zaydiee Phoenix and we sat in that line so we could say we had Whataburger, on that first day there is a Whataburger coming soon closer to us, when that one opens its supposed to open sometime this year this month when it opens probably going to do the same thing, just so I can say I was here the first doors open when I'm you know older dying because I love Whataburger, so after that's probably the longest line recently now we're going to back up a couple messages because we really really really got a touch on two things one is Zaydiee says that her is probably the longest line was standing in Disney in one of the Disney lines at Disney World or Disneyland one of the other, and to that I say yet another reason why I don't want to go. [7:04] But that's beside the point the one we really need to touch on is directly above that. We're Phoenix bricksville Stitch says. The Twilight DVD release at Hot Topic now I don't remember this so I don't know if I wasn't home. [7:27] But what you what. [7:38] I'm worried I took you man talk about suppressed memories. Oh at North East Mall in Dallas. Wasn't it oh that was awful all those little nerds all those little teeny bopper. Oh I forgot about that that was awful. [8:05] Oh you made me remember a repressed memory that's just rude to do on a Sunday night oh I completely forgot about that that was terrible. [8:18] Oh all those kids in the fangs and the outfits and the oh. And this comes from someone who was a goth. For a while in the 90s and early aughts but these outfits were just burned but I forgot about it I talked to all of them people all the team people just because. [8:43] It's what I do the employees were all they were so oh they were so miserable that night, oh it was terrible they felt almost as bad as I did for being there I forgot I took you to that oh that was the things you do for people you love. [9:04] And he. That's worse than 3 hours in a car anyway that's terrible okay. [9:17] So yeah and they couldn't really sit till midnight and the line was there and everyone was getting restless midnight releases so back in the day I went to a lot of midnight releases, several of the World of Warcraft expansion several video games but none of them were anywhere close to as bad as that Twilight one sitting in a mall, waiting oh it was so bad. [9:48] And I've never done the Black Friday lines I've worked Black Friday lines but I've never been in one. So yeah hmm well. Yeah midnight releases were big in you know back in the day before digital downloads were more popular and Drop Shipping midnight releases was what you did but none of them were. Like wait three hours in the cold you know blah blah blah it was just kind of like show up at midnight because you pre-ordered you know. Because the gaming industry has had done it for so long that we had it you know down so. Yeah that was hmm hmm. [10:47] Now I've now I've I've had bad memories repressed I can't I can't think about our topic or anything else I can just dwelling on how bad that evening was. [10:59] Wow okay Jokes Aside um I don't know why I'm obsessively. Lining up my dice on my desk for some reason while I'm doing this okay so. Who's topic for tonight as you can see below us or on the podcast title if you're listening to it or you know if you're not seeing it somewhere listed. I'm not sure how you're consuming it but cool thanks. The title for tonight is “but Leviticus says…” and the reason why, we're going that route of but Leviticus says is one for my time of my takeover of the Brie and Manifesto for these weeks that I get to do it, I decided all of the titles needed to be weird so that's where we're going, his one reason and the second reason is because it's an important topic when we're digging into a belief system of. And when we are as modern Christians discussing where we are as a society how we got here what we believe and all those kinds of things is this topic. [12:20] And so I want to preface what I'm about to say. By saying that anyone who's listening anyone who hears it I might agree with you on some of these topics I might not agree with some of you on these topics either way you're loved. As Christians we are commanded to love our neighbors All Saints and all sinners. [12:52] As Christ did. So where that comes from is Romans 13 9 and 10. [13:03] And that reads. [13:13] Wait a second. [13:25] Yes even when they throw firecrackers at you we have to love them 9 the Commandments do not adultery do not murder do not steal do not covet in any other commandment are summed up by this commandment love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to its neighbor Love Therefore is the Fulfillment of the law, you know a lot of times on on the brief Manifesto we talk about faith hope and love and love being the greatest and people are like you know you talk about love too much well, one of the reasons is this verse in Romans 13 love completes. And is the Fulfillment of the law if we are loving our neighbors if we are loving ourselves if we are loving God. It should be God ourselves our neighbors but that's besides the point if we are doing those things then, naturally you'll fulfill the Commandments because they're all summed up in that, you're not going to commit adultery if you love your neighbor so you're not going to sleep with someone else's wife because you're loving your neighbor you're not going to cheat on your wife because you're loving your neighbor. [14:39] Now that's the key what if you love yourself you have to love your neighbors and yes you are playing the newms card Phoenix if you notice I did not. I read the verse love thy neighbor as yourself and then stated yourself is one of the things you have to love because that is in the Commandment as well so when we look at. [15:07] The meaning of that word. Could be him them etc etc own self is what it is what it truly means so it is love yourself. [15:40] And part of it is you do have to love yourself and it's work because, yes Phoenix I wasn't actually going to say it I didn't write it in my notes so thank you for bringing it up those of us that struggle with self hatred struggle with depression we struggle with. Intrusive thoughts and other aspects like that those of us that struggle with that a lot of us look at this verse and go okay but if I don't love myself. I can't love others but it's more you're supposed to love yourself and others. As you should love yourself not as you. Actually love yourself for example I am one who tends to be slightly steeped in in in in Anger violence hatred etc etc I'm not exactly your nice person. [16:40] But we're commanded to love others in myself it was up to me. I wouldn't do either but I have to at least try because it is one of those things that we should be doing. Now and that's the key is because we have to do it. As Jesus did it Jesus loves us so we therefore have to are worthy of love, even though we don't feel it we are and so we have to love ourselves that's one of those other keys because Jesus did and, that's a realization that sometimes hurts because we tend to as humans injure ourselves and injure others verbally physically the way we treat ourselves the way we treat others and it's like wait, Jesus loves us so I should at least love myself a little. [17:46] And that's a big thing in and of itself um that's a whole nother I could talk on that for a long time so another thing I'd like to point out as we're talking about. What's written in Leviticus and as we're talking about Sin and Sinners and Saints and love and and all those I want to point out Galatians 3 22. So in Galatians and we are very verse heavy tonight which is not always. How I am but, with a topic like this we really have to be because there's not a lot of there is a lot of wiggle room a lot of beliefs and a lot of people have deep-seated what they've been taught and what they feel and so we really have to this is one of those topics where we have to go to the scripture. A lot, just kind of as a heads up as we're digging into this and we're like oh this is like the you know this is we've covered more scripture tonight than we have in three weeks you know well there's, a good reason because this isn't one where it's like well you kind of already know this as a human being this is when you kind of got to dig into a little more so in Galatians 3 22. We can actually. [19:09] You know this is all talk Galationns is all talking about the low on the promise it's a really good overall but what we're going to focus on is is 322 which is the scripture imprisoned. Everything under sins power so that the promise might be given on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe, before this Faith came we were confined under the law imprisoned until the coming Faith was revealed, the law then was our Guardian until Christ so that we could be justified by faith but since that faith is come we are no longer under a guardian for through faith you are all sons of God in Jesus in Christ Jesus so. [19:55] In that and it continues to talk about we're talking about everyone Jew and Greek slave nor free male or female because you're all one in Christ. Etc so when we look at those verses it's that thought process that we hear a lot of well. Scripture says or the law says or sin is blah it's exactly this here's the list here's what you follow here's why and. There was a list and the list was needed because that is how, we were supposed to live and that's following those before Jesus was how we showed we were walking but under Jesus Jesus we don't need the guardian the guard rails. Of the law necessarily. We need Jesus and in that extension the Holy Spirit to help guide us through things. [21:03] Do to do to do looking at my notes. [21:11] So in that I agree with people that sin was not created by God some people say God created send some people say he didn't that's a whole theological debate in and of itself I personally don't believe that sin was created by God but because rules were created as soon as you create a rule, there is the possibility of sin we were imprisoned by it. Because we were told not to do something we specifically did that thing and then sadly were locked in but it's not a. Aspect of oh well you send your bad we were imprisoned by that and, Jesus Through covering our sins in his blood for salvation frees us from that so now we get to the part of Leviticus where we're going to actually look at Leviticus since you know. [22:10] Leviticus it's the title of tonight what about Leviticus people talk about Leviticus a lot and then point at the scriptures as Sin, a large part of the book talks about the rules of sacrifice when you have to sacrifice when you can sacrifice an interesting read if you ever want to it's kind of fun, very sarcastic saying that is Leviticus 15 16 through 33 and I'll put it in the chat but we're not going to discuss it we're just going to put it there and if you want to go read it you can, that's up to you as an adult it's a fun one though, but as Christians do we have to sacrifice all the time then no because Jesus was our lamb and he perfected the sacrifice and we find that, in Romans 5 6 through 10 and that's. [23:04] A big part of it because a lot of Leviticus is about when you had to do a sacrifice to cover those issues so now when we look at Romans. Romans click on it right five six through 10 for while we were still helpless at the right time Christ died for the ungodly for rarely will someone die for a just person. Though for good person perhaps someone might even Dare To Die but God proves his own Love For Us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us how much more than since we have now been declared righteous by his blood will we be saved through him from Wrath, for if we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his son then how much more of we've been reconciled when we are saved by his life, not only that but we rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ through whom we now have received this reconciliation so. [24:06] The aspect of that to look at is you know Jesus perfected our sacrifice we don't have to sacrifice anymore so a lot of the levitical law goes right out the window just for that because, we don't have to complete sacrifices if we look at Leviticus 19:19, this is a verse that's often used in a lot of, strawman arguments of hey look at this we don't do this so we can't do any of it but it's kind of true, it states we shouldn't wear garments of two made of two kinds of materials these mainly speak of wool and little and linen being combined in other parts of the Bible and different translations they worded as two kinds but it raises the question of should we mix Fabrics, you know I'm wearing a mix fabric right now I'm sure lots of people out there are but I think we agree we can because that's not a law that's. Has any value. To us in today's society and through the Salvation through those aspects of Christianity and Christ dying in perfecting the law it's not needed. But if we're going to use certain parts of Leviticus and not others it raises a question for you as you decide and do your personal study as a Brie and should on. [25:26] What are you defining as Sin and why another example of this is Leviticus 11 4 through 8. [25:37] We're we're commanded to not eat pork I personally love bacon, don't like pork chops very much I could do without those but Bacon's hard Peter was given a revelation in Acts 10 10 through 15 that most people take to believe that pork is then okay to eat another philosophical aspect and you've heard Pastor Bill use this one in the past that that whole part in Acts is actually not about food at all but showing Peter that, Jews are not the only people he should be going to he should be going to Gentiles as well and that's why it was full of Gentile food because Peter then goes on to talk later that he still doesn't eat certain foods because he just doesn't. I feel like he should because he mainly ministered to certain groups but there is that aspect where. [26:34] Either way you know I don't think we're going to take into account that pork is bad. And then we go let's jump to the, New Testament because people will point to the New Testament say okay look here's a list of sin this list of sin that's right here is, one of the times is in Romans Romans 1 27 through 32 this one is used a lot when people are trying to make a point about certain, quote unquote sin but not taking into context the actual scripture which that actual scripture is talking about people who were worshiping God God, Yahweh and then turn their back on God and started worshiping Idols in that Temple, and he lists a whole long list of sin that comes from those. That the people were doing and I'll point out one verse around it. [27:44] Around around this aspect and it's for this reason God delivered them over to their disgraceful Passions. Got there not when we look at it this is not a list of, hey you know these are people who are terrible and this means because those people have done this thing here's the list of things, but he says they Dave are filled with all unrighteousness evil greed wickedness there full of Envy murder coils deceit malice gossips slanderers got haters arrogant proud boastful inventors of evil disobedient to their parents senseless untrustworthy unloving unmerciful nari although they know God's just sentence they practice such things, they deserve to die not only them even the applaud to those who practice them. But the very he's talking about are these people that literally walked away from Christianity or the. [28:50] The church or the Jewish faith and walked into temples and did a lot of. Acts that are not necessarily you know. The Roman gods required some sacrifices that were really really interesting sometimes you know your gluttony where you would eat till you vomited and then eat more, you know situations like that were common in certain temples and. [29:18] So in those that's what Paul's talking about is we have to stay out of the. These other temples we shouldn't be doing that shouldn't be pointing at one specific people like to cherry pick you know this verse or this verse or this verse out of this big list and then say these are what. Are bad and see it says it right here and exclude the whole aspect of God delivered them to their own desires. [29:47] Of their hearts he got went okay if that's how you want to live that's how you want to live you're outside of. Of of us I'm not gonna. You know stop you I'm not going to punish you I'm giving you over to it and I'm walking away which is in and of itself a form of Grace. And hopefully those people that Paul wrote about in Romans. Turned away from that later and came back out of those temples to worship again and found actual Christianity as opposed to. The Fluffy, following the masses that happened at the very beginning of Christianity because lots of people were saved and so some people just follow to follow not that that happens today and large, churches are congregations that people just follow to follow and don't actually have any. [30:48] Deep-seated actual belief. [30:54] That's sarcasm by the way but we'll get there and so the next one I want to look at here is First Corinthians 6:12 in the csb which is where most of these, of course where most of my verses come from except when I start looking at. The Greek and Hebrew I use the KJV Plus for that for strong screen coordinates so with in First Corinthians 6:12 everything is permissible for me but not everything is beneficial everything is / Everything is permissible for me but I will not Mast be Mastered by anything food is for the stomach and the stomach for food and God will do away with both of them, however the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord and the lord of the body God rape God raised up the Lord and will also raise us by his power. [31:50] In that one of the aspects again we're talking about. [31:56] Anything is permissible but not anything is beneficial you know this is often stated. Where we talk about Sin is imperfection sin is not. Again a list of rules of hey if you break any of these your sinner know we are sinners because we're not perfect the word sin originally was, and is depending on which there's two two times it's used in the New Testament but the majority of them are the an Archer missing the the center point every single time they fire an arrow and if you miss that Mark that's where that word sinner comes from which none of us are perfect so inherently we are, Sinners Perfection does not have to do with breaking a list of rules Perfection has to do with being perfect all the time I physically can't be perfect because my body isn't perfect so if I miss a step if I technically all those things if you, you know if you feel it is it might be a sin so in that we have to look at those types of aspects. [33:25] Roman no that's that's the wrong area Romans 8. [33:33] I didn't copy the verse just to put into the place so that way it's easy, so for people who want to look at it in twitch who view it into which later so Romans 8:1 and to therefore there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus because the law of the. In Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death, and again that goes back to that same thing you here Paul talked about over and over again is that you know Jesus completed freed us from the restraints and the guardrails that the law set up um but in it, you can't just go Buckwild because there are consequences not everything is healthy for us the next thing. I want to look at is. [34:26] Timothy 1 verses 12 through 16. And I messed this one up in my notes so I change it and put it here correct okay there we go and one of the reasons for the reason of bringing this one up. Um is. A lot of people will point to Paul and say look you know it's different because he. [35:03] He worked so hard on he worked out his salvation with fear and trembling so at the point where he's writing this about being free from sin and being you know a good person it's because he's so good and. [35:17] You know so I want to kind of look at this passage here in Timothy Timothy 1:12 is I give thanks to Christ Jesus our lord who has strengthened me because he considered me faithful appointing me to Ministry even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor and an arrogant man but I received Mercy because I acted. [35:38] Because I acted out of ignorance in unbelief and the grace of our Lord overflowed allowing the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus this saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance Jesus Christ came into the world to save Sinners and I am, the worst of them but I received Mercy for this reason so that in me the worst of them Christ Jesus could demonstrate his extraordinary patience as an example to those who would believe in him for eternal life so. If you want to point to biblical figures and be like well it's different biblical figures they were they were they were better than us they were they were Saints they were holy they were, Paul didn't think he was you know he's riding you know hey, I'm the worst at this like I mess up, and so when you look at it you're like uh if he's the worst. First off he hasn't met anyone in the modern error but it's not that aspect of. [36:55] Of I'm better I'm above sin so I'm saying this it's look I understand Sin is Sin we make mistakes we're not perfect we're broken creatures that, are trying and but Jesus came for all of us. So the next thing I want to say is something out of the concern for the church as a whole. And that's the capital c church not just us us as bereans here meeting and then us as. The big church in Colossians. [37:38] I lost my reference third is Colossians 2:8 be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition based on elements of this world. Rather than Christ the reason I want to bring this up is so often we as an overall Church become. We take the scriptures out of context to force people. Without any study as as Paul says in Acts 17. That we should be studying the scriptures when someone teaches us something and that's where we get the Berean the aspects of the bereans from which we've touched on a lot of time so I'll just throw the reference there and let you guys look at it. [38:28] So often were like oh well the church said this my pastor said blah my teacher said this where I grew up this is what was taught this is what I've not. I heard this from someone I studied it I researched, as much as I could as much of my understanding I went to the Holy Spirit I took in Godly counsel I've looked at and I feel this is how I should live this is how, should be we just take these rules and extra stuff that's written. By the church not individuals and go yes, rubber stamp must be correct because someone in Authority said it and that's where we've gotten into so many of these issues that we deal with in today's society of we've had thousand two thousand years now of rule after Rule and person after person changing them writing them being confused by them not actually studying them but yet being in leadership and making these types of of rules and then us not listening and not trying to. Figure it out for ourselves as well just taking everything stated in blind faith faith is important Blind Faith is dangerous and that's a big difference. [39:56] And you know in talking about all of this I'm not saying sin is no longer. I'm not saying sin doesn't exist because we aren't perfect, what I am saying is that we so often expect people including ourselves as Phoenix pointed out above, we expect other people in ourselves to be this weird version of perfect before we come to Christ or immediately after we came to Christ oh I'm a Christian I have to be perfect now. Or oh that person, you have to get better before you can come to Christ I don't want that person in my church because they're not exactly what I feel is correct and I need them to be correct before they can come in, I need you know once you've gotten saved congratulations tomorrow you should be a completely different person with no struggles and if you have any struggles it's because you're broken and and you've done something terrible. It's a process to be christ-like to learn to walk that line. [41:09] We Christ came to us while we were Sinners salvation doesn't make us perfect we have struggles imperfections that sin is. [41:19] Anyone who knows me for very long well no two of mine are our I tend to be kind of angry and I'm super Petty and we as a Capital C Church need to get better. At being christ-like and loving people and helping them see Jesus instead of judging them and pushing them away as the Pharisees did as Phoenix said I wish it was easy that the moment you accepted Christ in the moment you you magically became this good person, because if that was the case it be really really easy to find all these false people that we have toting Christianity and hurting the. The Optics of our faith of people who are all Christians are bad because blah, and if we would love like we're commanded to, this wouldn't be happening but so often we're not we're not doing what we're commanded to do that summed up, in love you know all the Commandments can be summed up with love your neighbor stopped being. [42:37] I mean to each other okay we have to love each other we have to help build ourselves. Meaning ourselves the group together and and working towards being better humans. And and that's what I have for tonight. That Sin is Sin doesn't matter what Leviticus says and we have to work towards being better at love. So I'm going to kind of sit here for a moment and kind of a see if anyone has anything else in chat because there's a little bit of a delay sometimes in that, just to see if there's anything else we want to touch on before we fully close out for the night. But I mean that's really what I wanted to make sure we went over as we're looking at these aspects of Christianity that. View our are foundational importance yeah love God love yourself love others. [43:46] It's not easy but it's what we have to do so. For all of those out there that are listening that didn't join us live tonight or weren't able to for various reasons we would love it if you joined us this podcast is recorded live on Sunday nights, at 6:30 central time Sunday evenings on Twitch goes out to Twitch Facebook and YouTube. Twitch being my personal main platform as Pastor newms the others are for the church specifically you can join us be part of the conversation as Phoenix and zaidi and groggy did tonight and Biggs normally does even though he's out and you know. We could all be part of the conversation together to again as I stated work on this together and work for words together being bereans and studying the scriptures not just accepting what, someone tells us is the truth. And so in that I hope that you can check us out on EKK.HOUSE is our website it will show you which twitch which Facebook which YouTube to find all of our stuff on. [45:08] And so I hope that we will see you there I want to tell you guys we love you no matter what and that. I hope you guys are safe and until we talk next time. [45:29] We love you and hope you're safe say it again.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 2:9 - 3:4 A continuing study of 1st Thessalonians using proper hermeneutical and exegetical principles to, in keeping with the spirit of a Berean attitude and with the Reformation, whose principle ideal was Sola Scriptura.
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Transcript Hello and welcome to season 3 episode 83 the Berean Manifesto faith hope and love for the modern Christian. I'm pastor Newms. And again this week we are not joined by Pastor Bill but we will continue forward at this time, why are you still on sabbatical thank you the best so, I have to say it's weird we have for those of you who don't join us live, we have a countdown video for five minutes the kind of gives time everyone time to log in and get settled and etc etc before we get started with the live stream and. It's funny because in modern business nowadays because of. You know so many people work from home all this kind of stuff so many of our meetings in business is the same thing where you're like okay we're give everyone just a few minutes to join us as you say that two or three times before you actually get the meeting started and, it really struck me as odd this week as I was doing it too. I realized the similarities between those two things this morning. As I means that this evening as we were going through that. So I hope everyone had a good week I had a good week it was pretty fun got a lot done at work and then I. Played a lot of Pokemon and I did a big thing. That is the first time I've ever done it I did a living Dex for the ones in the actual decks for. Pokemon sword and shield so the 400 Pokemon for. The main decks and then the hundred and. Sorry 210 for each of the two expansions. And for the expansions even though I called it a living Dex I didn't do everyone, if they were in the original living decks so the only Pokemon from the base of the game that I don't have is rude which is a special Pokémon you can only get for an eventand so because of that I don't have them and that the frustrating but it's okay the. And then there's a bunch of legendaries they added that aren't part of the proper Dex but they're just obtainable from the National dex and don't have all of those it was just fun to finally for the first game ever actually complete the decks and while completing the decks actually having all of the Pokémon so that was a lot of fun I finished that actually this afternoon with mr. groggy or the bests help, he uses the best when he doesn't want me to sing the my little groggy song I'm going to be honest I think that's honestly why he does it but that's okay we love him anyway and he's in my phone as my little groggy so it's perfectly fine he can call himself he would like I did, get burned by the sun you can't tell very well. On on the stream because you know my camera actually does a lot of balancing of tones it's actually super dark in my office which is really nice but you can tell a lot on my head. And it is burned and I'm trying very hard not to freak out with the cloth band that actually is touching the top of my head right now and I'm trying really hard not to fidget with it the whole time because it hurts lift my sleeves. You can't see the red though without I mean you can't really there's no good way to. I mean you can tell you just can't tell. But yeah so it's definitely there it's definitely hurts. So yeah that was kind of how my week went and the reason. I got the wonderful heat on my skin was the wonderful best. Offered to let me ride from a little Lego event that we were at with Phoenix. Back home in his car with top down and I have not ever been top down sports car Highway. Writing not saying anything else about that y'all can glean from that whatever you would like as far as. Speeds or recklessness or danger because none of that happened of course because we wouldn't do those types of things and so we did we drove we drove to the house about an hour and a half. Hour 15 minutes or so because we hit some traffic with the top down and I got home and we was fine, and he was like it's I'm so glad you didn't get any burn everyone talks about how easily you burn and you didn't and then throughout the course of the night I just got redder and redder. And that's why he's apologizing because the best feels bad that he got me sunburned which he did not because it was my choice to be in the car you do not drive like a maniac I am just simply saying, it was it was quick there's you accelerate very well and have very good control of your car but it is much different than being in these small cars 4 cylinders and then SUVs that I have driven in the past. That get-up-and-go was a whole lot different so.That being said that was my week it was good I hope you all had great weeks as well Happy Father's Day for everyone out there who is a father my father is actually in the other room because he and Phoenix did a Lego Stream this afternoon together for Father's Day All right this question is what particular historical document or portion thereof, do you think every American should know by heart. I mean there's a lot that I can answer with this question I feel that we should. Definitely know our history a lot more as far as historical documents. I think everyone should at least understand and know the Declaration of Independence and you know the Articles and the Amendments that are there. Because it's important to learn from our past. But then on the same token from historical aspect I also think we should understand what. Some of the documents that led up to that and what helps us make those decisions and, I just think we should know more about our history overall because we don't and often we are doomed to repeat and are in the process of repeating some of our, issues from the past because we don't learn from them so that's that's that that process is what I got. Does anyone else have anything they would like to say as far as documents are such and And Biggs I will agree fiberglass car with a big engine definitely goes and thank you the best for saying Happy Father's Day all right so let's go ahead and dive into it tonight, tonight you will notice if you have looked down or around or you're listening and so it's written somewhere you'll notice this one is called. I feel like I yeah okay I wrote down a different title than what I put in all of the, I change it at the last minute and didn't update my notes my bad is why all the fighting so. What I really wanted to discuss tonight it's something we've touched on in the Berean Manifesto many times in the past. But I kind of wanted to dig into it again as we're starting this journey through some of. My thought processes in my. Belief system and what orchestrates it not that we don't do that when Pastor Bill is leading but these are more you know. Fully me as opposed to me supporting and me uplifting and me, being part of the conversation this is just my conversation. So I wanted to talk about the why all the fighting so you know we as a culture as humans as people we really like to fight, arguing is kind of in our nature to a certain degree because pride gets in the way and we have you know belief systems that are hard to challenge and we all have, you know bumping heads and difference of opinions and differences of belief and differences of knowledge and, an answer when all that comes together you end up you end up bumping heads with your fellow. In all situations your fellow people that live with you your your family units then your your governmental structures your co-workers your there's always discussions of how things should be done and what they should be done and. That is human you know exerting it's not just human it's animal as well you know exerting your belief system being the next aspect pushing towards that but inside the church, Capital C Church big church everybody we really should be focused on the unity and the building towards something more than the infighting because what's happened so often is we have so many splinters and so many we discuss beliefs and and come to an understanding and continue to work together as Christians despite slight differences that we create. These Jagged off shoots that then because I believe this you can't believe anything else because I feel that you can't. You know so we have all this. That that people discuss and so one of the first places we want to look tonight. And I'm just confirming it because I forgot one aspect. As I was speaking because you know sometimes we have that whole like you know where you're going and then all of a sudden you're like but I feel like I should also talk about this. One of the aspects that that I want to kind of look at is what's talked about in Romans 14 Romans 14. Is we're going to read a bunch I'm just I'm just going to say everyone's 14 here. As opposed to spelling out the exact versus so. When were we're talking about you know things that can cause divisiveness and splitting a lot of times it comes down to at least in the capital c Church it comes down to belief of sin or differences of how we worship so the first one I kind of want to look at is that the differences of sin and in Romans 14 you know this is all talking about judging other. Christian's not necessarily people outside of the faith but people inside so. It starts off Romans 14 1 accept anyone who is weak in faith but do not argue about disputed matters one person believes he may eat anything while one is who is weak eat only vegetables one who eats. Must not look down on he who does not eat and one who does not eat must not judge one who does because God has accepted it who are you to judge another's household, before the Lord he stands in Falls he will stand because the Lord is able to make him stand one person judges one day to be more important than another someone else judges every day to be the same Let each be fully convinced in his own mind whoever observes the day observed for the honor whoever eats eats for the Lord since he gives thanks to God and, whoever does not eat it is to the Lord that he does not eat it and gives thanks to God for none of us lives for himself and no one dies for himself if we live we live for the Lord if we die we die for the Lord therefore neither we live or die we belong to the Lord Christ died and returned to life for this that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living but you why do you judge your brother or sister or you why do you despise your brother and sister for we all stand before the Judgment seat of God for as it is, for it is written as I live says the Lord every knee will bow to me every tongue will praise to God so then each of us. Is giving an account of himself to God and then it goes on to you know the one people hear about you know do not, judge one another don't put a stumbling block you know etc etc etc etc things that we you know. Kind of other things that along the same lines but different aspects like okay don't do this in front of you know don't go to a someone you know is struggling with drugs or alcohol with a bunch of drugs and alcohol and look at him if you're like it's fine you can do it too that's causing someone to stumble don't do that that's not what this is talking about this is talking about don't judge the person who does take a drink every now and then or who doesn't take a drink every now and then because that's a different belief then yours in this situation there's two big passages you can kind of notice him walking through with the Romans the first is the eating or not eating what he's talking about with that and what he's talking about with that is there was a meat market. And the meat that was served had been sacrificed or blessed or other, religious used in religious applications to another God and so because of that the, certain members of the Roman Church were like okay this has been blessed by another God don't touch it and then other people are like, but I'm praying over it and blessing it for our God doesn't matter what happened before and so there was some infighting about that. And you know Paul comes in and is like guys it's me who cares if you eat vegetables are you eat meat it doesn't matter what you do you know the important part is that we're all here under, God the second is the whole thing about observing the day. Which was talked about as the Sabbath and how some people were respected it in and followed it in different ways and so that's that whole aspect of you know does it really matter the day does it really matter the how you celebrate does it really matter you know he kind of tried to squash some of those aspects especially in. Some Modern churches you know some people celebrate Saturday as the Sabbath some people Sunday some people Monday you know depending on your religious belief of what the last day of the week is and what the day of rest should be or if you even, follow that or if you just have a Sabbath at some point or if you don't follow the Sabbath at all personally I think we all should follow the Sabbath because we need it for our own health that's the example that God set forth is that that whole aspect but I'm not going to judge someone because either they don't or they do it differently than me because that's when we run into this trouble and that's what causes the disunity, in so many of these situations we have so many of the church splinters in so many breakups and so many denominational Creations over small aspects and then we have, people pointing at the other groups and saying things like well they're not saved because they believe something different, they're not saved because this we are when none of these. Majority of these are not salvation aspects and we should not be judging how. Worship or how they you know which laws they decide to follow because God, God gives us the Holy Spirit and gives us convictions that are different person to person to person to person so we should never be judging each other based on you know stuff like this. Now I will say there are times. The chaotic newms is still here just so everyone knows there are times to debate when someone is, wrong in a church like for example. I personally believe in going to church super early on Sunday mornings so that way I can beat everyone else to lunch it's a very important tenets for me there is no reality and no basis and what I'm saying is completely sarcastic but I prefer to beat all the other churches to eat because I don't want to wait in line behind so me personally I believe we should get out on time and not have long Services because I get hungry easily, very irritable when I'm hungry so none of us want that so Jokes Aside. Why are we fighting about it why are we fighting about little things that don't matter.In these types of situations so on that. Going from going forward to the next passage I would like to talk about is we're going to jump over to Ephesians Ephesians 4 1 through 16. I can't type all of a sudden so you got a Ephsians 412 16. And this is often used about Unity so far as to like in the csb the title of the whole passage is actually Unity. In the body of Christ so you know therefore I the prisoner of the Lord urge you to live worthy of the calling you have received with all humility and gentleness with patience bearing one another in love making every effort to keep the unity of the spirit through the bond of Peace there is one body and one spirit just as you were called to one hope for your calling one Lord One Faith one baptism one God and Father of all who is above all, and through all and in all now Grace was given to each of us according to the measure of God's of Christ's gift for it says when he ascended on high he took the captives, captive he gave gifts to the people but what does he ascended mean except that he also descended to lower parts of the Earth the one who descended is also the one who ascended to fill all things and he himself some apart he gave he gave some to be Apostles some prophets some evangelists and pastors some teachers equipping the Saints for the work of the ministry to build, the up the body of Christ until we all reach unity in the faith and the knowledge of God sons growing into maturity with the stature, measured by cars fullness then we will. Then we will no longer be little children tossed about by the waves and every wind of teaching by humans cunning with cleverness in the techniques of Deceit but speaking in truth let us grow in every way into him who is the head Christ for him the whole body fitted a knitted together, by every supporting ligament. Promotes the growth of body for building up itself in Love by the proper working of each individual part now as a lot there I usually don't read that much because I don't like reading out loud but you know the big things there to really call out. We are one body we've all been given the holy spirit all all Christians have been equipped with the Holy Spirit upon salvation and. We were all moving towards one place we serve one Lord we serve one God and Father you know the Grace has been given to each of us as he was needed you know. As we go forward with that he equipped us all for different purposes not everyone is supposed to be. A teacher not everyone is a preacher not everyone is a profit now everyone is you know. To have people working in every single thing some people have more. Giftings in certain areas but not everyone like I don't think I could ever stand up. And it'd be an evangelist in front of you know hundreds and hundreds of people and do the whole evangelism thing the traveling and the the preaching different places all the time and I don't think I could ever do that that's not. That I don't I don't feel that is my calling might be at some point I highly doubt it but could be you never know didn't think I'd be talking and teaching like this ever but you know it's got that whole pastor. Were down here at the moment so you know it works. But we're all given different things, and we're supposed to then work together as one body all of us working as ligaments ligaments move the muscles that we all push forward together to increase. And Advance the kingdom of to advance the the body of Christ to then bring. More people in and disciple them up to allow them to then also be, functioning members of the body not just pushing people towards. Um salvation and never discipling and helping build the people helping them find their gifts helping them we're supposed to making disciples of everyone not just preaching to get people saved it's supposed to be a discipleship to then get them plugged in and become a part of the body moving it Forward also and so it's that whole thing of. Everyone's giving a different part and if anyone is working outside of the body it hurts all of us and that's that idea of the capital c church when we have someone in the Christian faith who is operating. Outside of. Helping us move forward and hindering us and making us trip and fall or stumble or or not move forward correctly you know we have people who. Preach hate and preach you know. Preach that we should you know we've had people from the pulpit all of these people should be killed recently said you know a certain group of people should be this this group of people should be that we have we have these types of people and what they are doing is they're causing. Other people to then look at the capital c Church, as a whole and Christians as a whole and judging us by The Works of certain people and that's that whole thing about, if we're not United if we're not moving forward together in a correct State then that one offshoot causes an issue, um for those of you who don't know me super well. I have some physical issues I've got arthritis real bad for years and years and several other things and so my hand sorry for those that are in. Radio land. My three fingers of my hand on my right side all nicely sit together like a normal hand and then I have this pinky that got broken at one point down here at the knuckle and it's it's off by itself and does whatever it feels like, it doesn't you know I've got a consciously, move it over it doesn't sit where it's supposed to sit like a normal hand it doesn't you know it just it's like hey I'm hanging out way over there and that's what we get when we have someone who isn't You know working together we get we get we get a pinky that's that's acting crazy when you're like dude just just get in line. Just just come on work with us here and it's like nope if you like going over here you know and so that's what we end up getting when we have these people that. are not preaching faith hope love their preaching knowledge. I know everything I'm the best I decide what's going on and then. Hey you know you shouldn't be looking at scripture in the way that you know you should study it you should be listening to what I say. Believe me I'm in the Pulpit I'm the one who's right. You know situations like that doesn't Lift us up and doesn't build our body and so. I know this is we have I'm going to beat this this dead horse again here for a second but I want to jump over to 1st Corinthians where's my Corinthians 1st Corinthians 12. I just wrote first Corinthians 12 so we're starting at the top okay First Corinthians 12:1 geon's 12. So now concerning spiritual gifts brothers and sisters I do not want you to be unaware you know that you were pagans you used to be enticed and led astray by mute Idols so that whole thing about mute Idols one thing you think of is is a lot of people serve God's that don't speak to them and we have the Holy Spirit that is constantly speaking to us so that's what he's talking about there. Therefore I want you to know that no one Speaking by the spirit of God will say Jesus is cursed and no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit now there are different gifts but the Same Spirit there are different Ministries but the same lord and there are different activities but the same God produces each gift in each person a manifestation of the spirit is given to each person for the common Gert good to one is given the message of wisdom through the spirit to another message of knowledge by The Same Spirit to another the Faith by The Same Spirit to another Gifts of healing by The Same Spirit to another performing of Miracles to another prophecy to another distinguishing between spirits to another different kinds of tongues to another interpretation of tongues one in the same spirit is active in all of these Distributing to each person as he Wills so this is again that situation of we should be working together. Using the gifts we were given just because one person is given the gift of talking and one person is more introverted and so they prefer Prayer because that was the gift they were given their able to pray they have a yearning to pray they they love to to go to the throne you know and and lift up their prayers constantly to you know, everyone is built different and we all have to come together in that and move forward we can't. You know oh well I'm not as good as that person because I don't have their gift doesn't matter doesn't matter as long as you're not the pinky that's running off to the left. The right cuz it's my right hand running to the right and doing something that's against the body because no-one says. No one using the spirit of God says Jesus is cursed no one can say Jesus is Lord except for the holy spirit so don't be the person over here. Running with a false gospel or running with not even not saying everyone means, some of them were taught wrong some of them didn't do the study for themselves some people just believe what they were told and so they then are. Spewing the same belief system I won't call it garbage necessarily but I did use the word spewing so I mean. You can guess what I mean. Spewing the filth that they were taught and just regurgitating it over and over and over again as opposed to studying and digging in and figuring it out as opposed to just continuing a rhetoric to keep the same group of people they have around them satisfied, and I think that happens a lot where then you get a group of people together. They fractured from the mainstream or they are considering themselves the mainstream where they happen to have a mainstream belief system at the moment. And there then pushing that agenda louder than other people who are just quietly. Doing their thing and that's the thing that we have to stop as a Capital C church we have to stand up against Injustice we have to stand up against things that are wrong and and say so we shouldn't have people from the pulpit saying you know this whole group people should die or this people are wrong because of who they love or this person's wrong because of the color of their skin or this person's wrong because of the length of their hair or this person's wrong because they cut their hair once or this person's wrong because they wear, they wear nail polish everyday or this person's wrong because whatever the reason these are just ones that come to my mind. We're rejecting whole groups of people because we just don't like the way they look or the way they act and and then to say something you know. Detrimental from a Pulpit or from your leadership section we should be working together in love and together. Under the faith. and the hope you know we have faith that our belief system is accurate we that's faith if it goes from Faith to knowledge we don't have faith we have knowledge so we use our faith to believe that we're hearing from the Holy Spirit correctly we are we are. It doesn't contradict scripture so we're going with that. You know belief system and we have all these things going and so we walk in that Faith then and that's the key is walking in that faith and that leads me to kind of the last thing I wanted to. Discuss today which is. In Acts 17 and for those of you that have been here a long time really none of this is, new necessarily but reminders are always good as we walk through some of this and in Acts 17.And I somehow deleted my All right here we go, verse 10 is what we're going to start sorry about that as soon as it was night the brothers and sisters sent Paul and Silas away to Berea upon arrival they went to the synagogue of the Jews the people there were more noble than those in thessalonica and, we could read up to see why that's going to like it but you know not going to get into that at the moment. These people were more noble of character since they received the word with eagerness and examined the Scriptures Daily to see if things were so consequently many of them believed in including a number of prominent Greek women as well as men but when the Jews from thessalonica found out that Paul was in Berea they came causing the same issues upsetting the crowds. And the brothers and sisters immediately sent Paula way to stop the stop the issue and he moved on with his journeys I believe they went to. Athens next yes so. You know we are the Berean Manifesto that's the name of the the group you know our our podcast and we are the occlusion house and oftentimes people are like why Berean and. It comes from this section because the bereans Studied the Scriptures Daily they examined the Scriptures Daily to see if things were so so they would they would sit and they would listen to speakers they wouldn't just go that person's wrong. I don't like what they said ooh yeah yeah yeah yeah I agree with that person whichever side you're on. Whatever you thought they would then go back to the scriptures they would go back to what they had at the time. Study it and find to see if it was. Contradictory to see to make sure it didn't contradict and it didn't go against. What it was to help weed out false teachers and you know it's interesting because we as a culture as a Capital C Church in so many ways. I stopped doing that and got to a point where you would go to church listen to the preacher and I heard recently from a Pulpit you know. You should just listen to the your teachers and the people teaching you scriptures because they know what they're talking about and it's like but do they we should be examining at all times. What is being said and tempering it through the lens of. What does the scripture say what does the holy spirit guide you to believe, just because one person's belief system is a certain way doesn't mean someone else's belief system is wrong as we see and talked about in Romans 14. Sorry about that I have talked too long without getting a drink um so you know that's something that. We really have to look at as the capital c Church in Hazard groups of people that are moving forward we have to be one body we have to be United just because we disagree on something doesn't mean we should constantly be fighting about it I have belief systems that I hold that that my certain family members don't or. There are times mean Biggs or me and Phoenix you know get into discussions there are times mean means 80. Who is currently you know away on vacation get into it there are times where me and Pastor Bill it both on stream and and more off get into it about hey I don't agree with what you're saying and here's the reasons why here's the thought processes here's the discussions and come together on it but there are times sometimes you don't come together sometimes it's like well I just think that's okay well I don't okay well is this a Salvation aspect is this an aspect that. That affects our everyday lives or is this just a difference of belief and if it is a difference of belief we shouldn't be breaking up churches and organizations and bodies and such. For those situations we should be continuing to operate as one body of the capital c Church moving forward. So that's all I have that's men to my notes. Does anyone from chat have anything they would like to add to that while I look through and make sure I didn't miss anything. Do do do do for those out there to do do do do do do do okay so. That's really what I wanted to discuss kind of, kind of looking at those types of aspects and you know I think we should all stop the fighting stop the infighting stop that stop the arguing with each other constantly and move towards a more unified body, and if you would like to continue doing that wink you can join us. Every Sunday night when this podcast is recorded if you want to join and be part of that discussion as we move forward. 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