Podcast appearances and mentions of Walter Sisulu

Higher Education Minister, Nobuhle Nkabane is scheduled to visit the family of the Walter Sisulu University student who was killed during a protest. Yesterday Nkabane apologised to the students of Walter Sisulu University as well as the family of the student, after the university issued a statement saying that the deceased waas not a registered student nor a staff member at the university. Sakina Kamwendo spoke to SABC reporter, Fundiswa Mhlekude

Die Oos-Kaapse polisie sê niemand is nog in hegtenis geneem ná gisteroggend se skietvoorval op die Mthatha-kampus van die Walter Sisulu-universiteit nie. 'n Student is na bewering deur 'n kampuskoshuisbestuurder geskiet tydens 'n betoging oor kwessies, insluitend die haglike toestand van verblyf. Twee ander studente is in die hospitaal opgeneem. 'n Polisiewoordvoerder, Nobuntu Gantana, sê hulle sal die skietvoorval deeglik ondersoek:

After a deadly shooting at Walter Sisulu University, SASCO President Alungile Kamtshe joins Africa Melane to reflect on student demands for accountability.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The South African Human Rights Commission says it is concerned by the recent shooting at Walter Sisulu University, where one person was killed and three injured in a clash with security officials. The recent student protest echoes a similar incident last year at the same institution. The Commission is now questioning the safety of students at Institutions of higher education. Eastern Cape Police are investigating the fatal shooting. For more on the current investigation, Elvis Presslin spoke to Provincial Police spokesperson, Brigadier Nobuntu Gantana and Eastern Cape SAHRC Provincial Manager, Dr. Eileen Carter to discuss the Commission's calls for the right to peaceful protest and calls for proportionate responses during such demonstrations

Le Comité du patrimoine mondial de l'Unesco est réuni depuis le 21 juillet à New Delhi, en Inde. Lors de cette 46ème session, il a décidé d'intégrer plusieurs sites, notamment africains, dans la liste du patrimoine mondial. Quels sont les sites qui ont intégré cette liste et pourquoi ces choix ? Lazare Eloundou est directeur du patrimoine mondial de l'Unesco et répond aux questions de Pierre Firtion. RFI : Lazare Eloundou, cinq sites africains rejoignent donc la liste du patrimoine mondial de l'Unesco. Sur ces cinq sites, on note d'abord la présence de trois sites archéologiques en Éthiopie, en Afrique du Sud et au Kenya avec la ville historique de Gedi.Lazare Eloundou : Le site sud-africain est un site d'occupation du Pléistocène qui est assez intéressant. Les autorités sud-africaines ont lancé énormément de travaux de conservation, de travaux de recherches scientifiques et c'est un nouveau site qui montre la richesse et la diversité de l'Afrique du Sud. C'est la même chose aussi pour le site archéologique de Gedi au Kenya, qui est un site qui est extrêmement bien entretenu, qui a été très bien fouillé, très bien documenté, qui remontre encore la présence vraiment d'une urbanisation très ancienne le long de la côte.Autre site retenu : la Cour royale de Tiébélé au Burkina Faso. C'est là un ensemble architectural en terre qui est plus récent, qui date du XVIe siècle ?Oui, tout à fait. C'est un site très riche. C'est un site vivant, encore habité, où il y a une incroyable richesse culturelle, une organisation de la société pour l'entretien de cette Cour royale et les autorités burkinabè continuent de faire des efforts pour sa conservation. Et c'est un site qui n'est pas très grand, mais qui est incroyablement riche et qui mériterait vraiment d'être connu et qui mériterait d'être visité.Dernier lieu africain à intégrer cette liste du patrimoine mondial : les sites de mémoire de Nelson Mandela, en Afrique du Sud…Et je dois dire que l'inscription de ce site a été un moment extraordinaire, lors de la session du comité du patrimoine mondial. La majorité des membres du comité ont tous soutenu l'inscription de ce site. Ce qui est important, c'est que ce site continue de passer un message important, non seulement le message de l'Afrique du Sud, mais aussi le message du monde entier, celui de l'importance de l'égalité, de la réconciliation et du pardon. L'ensemble de ces lieux, dont on se rappelle, la Place de Walter Sisulu, le site du Massacre de Sharpeville, le Union Buildings et bien d'autres que moi j'ai visité, que je connais, sont des sites qui nous permettent aujourd'hui de montrer encore pourquoi le patrimoine mondial est si important, parce qu'il permet de renforcer non seulement notre mémoire collective, mais aussi de passer des messages importants qui sont des messages de l'universel.Que va changer cette inscription sur la liste du patrimoine mondial pour ces sites-là qui ont été retenus ?Beaucoup de choses. Ça permet de connaître les différents pays, de se rendre compte que ces pays ont une richesse patrimoniale très importante. Mais une inscription au patrimoine mondial pour ces pays permet aussi d'accéder à un large éventail d'assistances technique et financière et ça permet aussi d'amener plus de personnes, plus de voyageurs, plus de tourisme, pour découvrir les histoires que ces sites racontent.On compte aujourd'hui à travers le monde 1 223 sites classés au patrimoine mondial de l'Unesco. Plus d'une cinquantaine d'entre eux sont considérés comme en péril. La bonne nouvelle, côté africain, c'est que le plus grand parc naturel du Sénégal, le Niokolo-Koba, a été retiré de la liste de ce patrimoine en péril. Qu'est-ce qui a motivé cette décision ?La communauté internationale, l'ensemble des États membres de l'Unesco, ont considéré que leurs efforts conjoints qui avaient permis de mettre en place un projet ambitieux pour réduire les menaces sur ce site, aujourd'hui ont donné des efforts très satisfaisants, notamment pour essayer de ramener les espèces emblématiques qui existent dans ce grand parc qui étaient en disparition. Et ça, c'est grâce à l'effort aussi du gouvernement sénégalais, des autorités sénégalaises, des professionnels sénégalais. Et je crois que le comité du patrimoine mondial a considéré qu'il fallait cette décision pour reconnaître tous ces efforts et a décidé de le sortir de la liste du patrimoine mondial en péril.

On 13 December 1990, the anti-apartheid politician Oliver Tambo returned to South Africa after 30 years in exile. As the president of the banned African National Congress (ANC), he had lived in Zambia building the liberation movement while other key ANC members including Nelson Mandela and Walter Sisulu were political prisoners. By lobbying around the world and attracting talented South African exiles such as Thabo Mbeki, he built the organisation into a legitimate contender for government. When President FW de Klerk unbanned the ANC, Oliver or OR Tambo was finally able to return home where he was greeted by a crowd of thousands at the airport.Oliver Tambo's son, Dali Tambo, recalls to Josephine McDermott how his father and other ANC exiles danced in the aisle of the plane as they crossed into South African airspace.(Photo: Oliver Tambo at Jan Smuts Airport. Credit: AP/John Parkin)

“If I have my money, I have my assets, I have my farms, my houses, my cars, I have everything I need, I don't need to be friendly with any white person” – Sandile Swana, former freedom fighter.In 1948, the National Party came into power in South Africa and introduced apartheid, a system that segregated society along racial lines. Black people were not allowed to share toilets, beaches, theatres and other public facilities with their white counterparts. In the decades that followed, the black majority rose up against the system and engaged in various political campaigns. Many activists - including Nelson Mandela, Robert Sobukwe, Walter Sisulu and Ahmed Kathrada - were incarcerated, while others fled to neighbouring countries. But after years of pressure on the National Party government, which included sanctions and international sports boycotts, apartheid collapsed. On the 27th of April 1994, the nation voted in its first democratic election. So 30 years since independence, our presenter Mpho Lakaje sits down with two people who were on either side of the political divide: former freedom fighter Sandie Swana and apartheid-era policeman Lourens Groenewald. So have black and white South Africans truly forgiven each other since those ugly days?

Mbasa Mvenene, is a Political scientist and Lecturer at the University of Walter Sisulu, he joins Zain Johnson to discuss the DA lodging a Public Protector against the ANC and what this means for the political landscape.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In the latest move that signals his willingness to serve in the African National Congress's (ANC's) top six, Ronald Lamola said the party's top six structure should reflect the country's demographics. And he marked himself as a man on a mission to point out the ANC's need to elect a younger generation of leaders. "I know that we still need some of them, and they can impart some experience, but they cannot be a majority. That is the open discussion we must have with them. It must be open [and] cordial... but we must not be apologetic. I am saying this to the region because I know it is very important that the ANC reflects our country's demographic," Lamola told an audience of ANC members at the Walter Sisulu memorial lecture in Nkomazi, Mpumalanga over the weekend. He publicly stated his willingness to serve in the top six. But it's unclear whether his push to be nominated becomes a reality when the party heads to its elective conference in December. This comes as the push from older ANC leaders, including treasurer Paul Mashatile, to rise in the ranks of the top six gains momentum. Mashatile was showered with praises and chants for his endorsement to serve as ANC deputy president at the Limpopo conference. Other older ANC leaders, including Lindiwe Sisulu, Jeff Radebe, and Zweli Mkhize have shown a keen interest in leading the party. Lamola used former ANC leader Walter Sisulu as an example of a young leader who was elected when he was 37 years old to serve as ANC secretary-general. "We are told to wait until we are pensioners. Then we will be ready to be in the top six of the ANC. The ANC, in all its life, has embraced generational mix. We need a careful transition toward a new generation of leaders and thinking. A failure to transition will delay the necessary shift we have to make to realise our mission," he added. "The reality is that the ANC became highly effective when young people like Walter Sisulu, Lilian Ngoyi and Oliver Tambo took the responsibility of leading the organisation after it had become moribund," Lamola said. He added that those who were implicated in state capture were not prepared to go down without a fight. The implementation of the recommendations of the State Capture Report was part of the ANC 2017 national conference resolution, he pointed out. "Our organisation is infested with wedge-drivers. Day by day, we bear witness to their mechanism in action, and they spare no one. They even dare to maliciously attack even the president of the ANC. The commission of inquiry was a Nasrec resolution on state capture. When implementing the inquiry's recommendations into state capture, we are implementing the Nasrec resolution," he added.

À la tête de l'État sud-africain, Frederik De Klerk respecte les engagements pris par son prédécesseur Peter Botha et libère les prisonniers condamnés à la perpétuité avec Nelson Mandela, tels que ses compagnons Walter Sisulu, Raymond Mhlaba et Ahmed Kathrada. Mais il va plus loin en prenant une décision tout aussi symbolique, l'abrogation de la fameuse Reservation of Separate Amenities Act, la loi qui légalise la ségrégation raciale des locaux, véhicules et services publics. Désormais, l'ensemble des citoyens sud-africains pourront fréquenter les jardins publics, les plages, les toilettes, mais aussi les restaurants et les bus, sans se préoccuper de la couleur de leur peau.

Susanne Riveles received a Ph.D. in African Studies from Howard University in Washington DC and holds an MA in Sociology from the Ludwig Maximilian University in Munich, Germany. She also studied at the American University in Cairo, Egypt, and Columbia University in New York. From 1980-1993, she worked for Amnesty International (AIUSA), leading their Southern Africa Coordination Group. Her advocacy portfolio included many hundreds of prisoners of conscience, notably Nelson Mandela, Albertina and Walter Sisulu, Desmond Tutu, and Simon Farisani. In May 1985, she accompanied the Rev. Jesse Jackson on his two-weeks speaking tour to the European Parliament in Strasbourg and to Berlin to mark the 40th anniversary of the liberation of Berlin and the end of WWII. For three years, Dr. Riveles directed a project for the Holocaust and war victims Tracing and Information Center of the American Red Cross at the US National Archives, searching through German documents captured by the US army during WWII and at the liberation of German concentration camps. From 2005-2009 Dr. Riveles researched the National Archives in Berlin, researching the records collected by the Nazi secret police (Gestapo) about the activities of the Saefkow, Jacob, Baestlein (SJB) resistance group. Dr. Riveles and two historians, all daughters of executed members of the SJB resistance organization, designed, researched, fundraised, and implemented the exhibit presented at Berlin's Humboldt University in summer 2009. Dr. Riveles was also responsible for a project that placed 53 commemorative stones {Stolpersteine) in and around Berlin. Dr. Riveles served on the Board of the International Alliance of Women, where she was the convener of the Commission for Women, Peace, and Security and served as a delegate to the UN Commission on the Status of Women CSW for the last seven years. She was born in Berlin Germany. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/heather-harris96/message

Des Wilson – A Voice for the Poor and Oppressed by Joe McVeighFr. Joe McVeigh was a close friend and colleague of Des Wilson. It wasn't just that both were priests. They both shared a passionate believe in justice and were committed to standing up for the rights of citizens against a British state apparatus which was oppressive and violent.The ANC and the 1981 hunger strikersThe year after the 1994 election I had the honour and pleasure to meet Nelson Mandela and Walter Sisulu. In June 1995 I travelled to South Africa as part of a Sinn Féin delegation to meet with the ANC's senior negotiators. Our objective was to talk to them about their strategies and tactics and to see what Sinn Féin could learn from their experience for our peace efforts. The IRA cessation was then ten months old and the British were stalling on establishing all-party talks. By the end of our visit we had made many new friends, confounded the British who had tried to block a meeting with President Mandela, and were pleased to discover that our peace strategy was already following the pattern of that used by the ANC.The storming of the CapitolThe political and constitutional fallout in the USA to the unparalleled events last week in Washington will continue for years to come. I have visited the Capitol Building many times since my first visit to Washington DC in September 1994. I know well many of those Congressional and Senate representatives and their staffers who have regularly met with me to discuss Ireland. It was surreal and deeply troubling to watch as mobs rampaged along corridors and stairwells and offices that I have visited many times.

A profile of Walter Sisulu, a South African anti-apartheid activist and a leader of the African National Congress (ANC) who was imprisoned for 26 years alongside Nelson Mandela. Show notes and sources are available at http://noirehistoir.com/blog/walter-sisulu.

Walter Sisulu dedicated more than half of his life to equal rights and opportunities for all South Africans. But he never sought any credit for his involvement or achievements. Instead, he paid a high price for his beliefs and vision. The apartheid authorities jailed him for more than 25 years in a bid to break his spirit and his grip on ordinary South Africans. Angie Kapelianis has been digging in the archives to trace Walter Sisulu's difficult, but rewarding journey. Credits: Angie Kapelianis and the SABC Media Libraries. © SABC 2020. No unauthorised use, copying, adaptation or reproduction permitted without prior written consent of the SABC.

durée : 00:04:37 - Le Journal de l'histoire - par : Anaïs Kien - Aujourd’hui, il est question dans le Journal de l’Histoire du procès de Nelson Mandela et de ses camarades de l’ANC, procès qui a eu lieu en 1963-1964, à travers un film : "Accusé n°2 : le procès de Walter Sisulu" de Nicolas Champeaux et Gilles Porte. - réalisation : Thomas Jost, Peire Legras

Carvin Goldstone is a master story teller, his talent lies in telling stories that bring joy, laughter and comfort to his audiences, the world over. Listen in as he gives us a glimpse into his experiences and the ways in which he tell stories to influence others. My interview with Carvin Goldstone the Comedian was filled with life lessons. We spoke about building your personal brand, being able to laugh at yourself, facing your fears and getting in front of people to have conversations. Why story telling is so important and forms the basis for good natural conversations. http://www.carvingoldstone.com   Transcription: Interviewer: Welcome to the LifeShot. Interviewee: Happy to be at the LifeShot. Interviewer: So you are here, in England, you are visiting. You came to do a show. Interviewee: Yeah, it has been fun, hanging out with the people of England. Such contrasting experiences in different parts of the UK. Interviewer: You have been here before then? Interviewee: It's been a long time, though. Interviewer: Many years ago? Interviewee: Yeah, it's changed a bit. London is still very particular compared to the rest of England. It's so friendly and peaceful out here where you are. In London, it's still very... Interviewer: Everyone's competing, right? Interviewee: It's very aggressive, actually. You can't just get on a bus. There is no politeness there. You have to basically push people out of the way, which I am pretty good at. But I am also conscious that I don't want to be seen as the 'pushy guy'. But it's almost encouraged.  Interviewer: You have to push to get ahead. Interviewee: Yeah. Interviewer: Sometimes that is not a bad thing, though. But we don't want to step over each other as humans. Interviewee: Yeah, it feels like that. Interviewer: When we met, we started doing music first. And then, a few years later, you started to do comedy and it was a bit weird for us guys in the music group. Interviewee: Yes, this transition. Interviewer: It was like "Why is he doing comedy?", it seemed totally different to what we were doing at the time. So why did you like the media type, the comedies, now that you have carried on doing it, you have been doing it for many years now. Interviewee: Yeah. When we did music, it was difficult for us to really make a living off it, if you remember. Especially if you have a group with three guys or four guys. And you are getting paid a fee that is not even enough for one person and you split it among three or four people. We were eventually old enough to find jobs. Actually, I had a job. Interviewer: You were a journalist. Interviewee: I was a journalist, yeah. I was doing it more for fun. So the music and the comedy later were just side hobbies, just for fun. Because I had my full-time job, which I was quite passionate about. Interviewer: Why were you passionate about it? [00:02:28] Interviewee: Because I enjoyed it. I enjoyed journalism. I was a young reporter, I was excited about discovering new things, uncovering new things, telling stories. I was quite wrapped up in my journalism. The music was a different way of telling stories. And eventually comedy, the three fields that I find myself in - music, journalism and comedy - actually have the same base. They are just different ways of telling stories. I am essentially a storyteller. I am not so much a comedian or maybe a musician or journalist as much as I am in my core a storyteller. So these are just different ways of expressing my core. And I think I am about to discover a fourth one. Interviewer: Do you want to tell us now or later? Interviewee: I think the next step is going to be movie making. Interviewer: I remember you talking about making movies. Interviewee: Yeah, I was writing scripts a 15 years ago. Interviewer: I remember you wanted to do something with it, but never got around to do it. Interviewee: Everything runs its course, right? I think the music has run its course and so when we were getting toward the end of our album to be released, I could feel the shift and I can feel the shift again. So I don't think I will be a comedian for the next ten years. Maybe for the next few years and then the next phase of storytelling will take over. I think it's going to be definitely a movie or series-based route that I will find myself in next. Interviewer: So, as a storyteller, what message do you want to get out there? Is there something that you want to teach or do you just want to entertain people? Is it entertainment mostly? [00:04:18] Interviewee: Yeah. It's an important question, why do you do whatever you do? Why are you doing it? Is it to make a living, is it to pass the time, is it because you chose it early on in your life and now you are stuck with it? Because comedy wasn't a career choice, it was a hobby that has gotten out of hand. If I can call it that. I had to ask myself lots of questions, why am I doing this? Because I can drop this at any time and go back to my career. And I realized that my reason for doing comedy is comfort. I am here to bring comfort. Some people use comedy and storytelling for some sort of social justice or for an artistic expression. Or for conveying a message, political or otherwise. Mine is primarily to comfort the people that listen to me. So to bring joy and that is why my comedy is the way it is. It's clean and family-friendly. Because I pride myself in being able to perform to an entire family. Because it is a family experience, I am creating family experiences that are comforting. People that are going through difficult times, you can trust me with an hour of your life to make your life feel a bit better. To comfort you. And that is what the purpose of my comedy is. Interviewer: It's a shame to lose that if you stop comedy then. [00:05:47] Interviewee: Yeah, but you see, that is the core of what I am. Or why I am doing this. So my storytelling, a lot of it evolved in nostalgia and the warm, fuzzy feeling as you are hearing the story of "Ah, I remember that". It creates memories of your childhood or your Mum or your Dad. A lot of people say to me "You remind me of my Granny", or "You say things that remind me of my grandmother". Interviewer: It makes them feel warm and cosy. Interviewee: So the storytelling that I am going to do, and the movie scripts that I am working on, involve the creating of similar experiences and feelings. Because I feel it's more important to leave people with a feeling and an experience. Because that can last a lifetime. Interviewer: It's very influential, you can sometimes watch a documentary or a film and it can be inspiring. You walk out of the cinema and you feel a little bit elated. Interviewee: Exactly. And that feeling that I want to leave you with, is why I am here and why I am doing this. I feel that is my purpose in life. Interviewer: And that's a gift. You get on stage to make people laugh. Is that not something we should do in our everyday life, not take things so seriously and to laugh? And sometimes, to laugh with each other is to tell stories, I suppose. [00:07:02] Interviewee: Yeah. If you think of any home situation, you grew up in a family with lots of brothers. And then something happens and one brother comes and he says "You won't believe what happened today!". And he tells the story and the whole family laughs about what happened. The story that one of your brothers brought to the family, it wasn't necessarily a joke. It's a story. But it created an atmosphere of warmth and joy and laughter. And laughter is something you can't control, it just pops out. It's almost like your brain isn't able to process what has happened and the automatic response is laughter. So you can't really fake it. If someone says something and you laugh at something, even if it is inappropriate, your brain is like "I don't know how to answer this" and so you laugh. Interviewer: Are there any life lessons that you have learned while being on the road doing comedy that has changed your outlook? [00:08:05] Interviewee: Yeah, I think we are scared to take risks in general. We enjoy the comfort and the security of what we know and what we have always done. The comfort just to be sure of the outcome of whatever we are going to do. Interviewer: Be it worldview or our jobs. Interviewee: Yeah, your family, where you grew up, the people you hang out with. The familiarity makes you feel comfortable, sometimes too comfortable, safe. And comedy is one of those fields where you are judged immediately. You came to the show in the weekend, for example. You watched me and you judge me immediately. I tell the story or the joke and I know immediately whether it is good or bad. Because there is no later on to see the ratings. We know, all of us in that room, "That was not great". [laughs] And so, the feedback is so immediate that you have to stay on your toes, but you also have to take risks and be willing to fall. Interviewer: And that is the lesson that you can take outside of that? [00:09:15] Interviewee: Yeah, so that supplies now in every aspect of life. You have to take the risk to take the reward. The famous saying "Fortune favours the brave". Whether it is on stage telling a joke or if it is in business or relationships. Just taking a risk with someone you see in the train and have an opening conversation, "So what are you doing there on your computer?". That is a risk you take, right? Interviewer: Yeah, because they could say "None of your business". Interviewee: They could say that, but they could say something that changes your life or impacts or creates a new relationship. So the ability to face fear and not be too perplexed by the outcome. Interviewer: How do people handle rejection then? [00:09:59] Interviewee: This is the thing, the more you get rejected, the more you will be okay with rejection. And I think that is one of the things that you learn in comedy, because you tell a series of jokes over a period of years. And not all of them are great. And a lot of them are actually rejected. Maybe not the whole show, but that joke in particular, people are like "No". I have had a case where once I told a joke, I told a story as it happened. So at the Boston Marathon, there was a bombing at the Boston Marathon. And I had this joke about running the Boston Marathon myself. I will tell you the joke. But I told them on the day it happened. So the people were like "It's too soon". So I am one of those people in comedy who believes it is never too soon. It is just how well you contextualize what has happened and how quickly you give the feedback. If you wait, then you lose the shock and the impact of it. So something happens today, good or bad, you as the performer have to take the risk to decide how you contextualize the commentary. But the commentary is happening, no news agency is not reporting on it. They are saying something, just contextualizing in a way that makes you - the receiver - okay with discussing this. So the difference with comedy is that there is a laugh-element to it. We are further victimizing the victims and I am very conscious of that. In Africa, we had Oscar Pistorius who shot his girlfriend and there were a lot of jokes about Oscar Pistorius being a paraplegic or not having legs and how he shot his girlfriend. And I felt a lot of those jokes further victimized the victim, which was Reeva Steenkamp, who was killed in the incident. And I felt as if those jokes were not intelligent. So I did tell jokes, but it was never about the fact that Oscar tried to shoot his girlfriend. It was rather elements around the incident. So for example, back to the joke about the Boston Marathon, the joke was about me having a hard time running or taking part in the marathon. And I'd be so tired and if I heard "Hey guys, have you heard there is a bomb?". I would be like "I don't need to finish the race" and peeling off on the side. [sighs] "At least I don't need to finish, no one is watching anymore". And when I started it - now it's not in the context anymore, it doesn't sound so cool - the moment I said 'Boston Marathon', the crowd went "Ooohhh". The interesting thing was, I told the joke the next day, but I rephrased it, because I realized that I presented it in a way that it made it seem as if I was being insincere to the victims. The joke was more about me, being in a race. And the context of 'If this happened'. Interviewer: So was that a current contextual story, which people could relate to and you were trying to make it about yourself, not about the victims? [00:12:39] Interviewee: Yeah, the secret sometimes with telling sensitive stories, comedy lives in the world of controversy, of prejudice, of polarization. "You're from Manchester, you have a Welsh accent". He is black, he is white, he is male, she is female. A lot of those polarizing topics is where the prejudice of comedy lies. But it is the way you present that, it is a fine art and there is a very fine line between being prejudice, being racist and being observant and contributing to the conversation in a way we both laugh. Because it is our differences that make us so interesting. Sometimes, a comedian tells a joke on a topic that you have heard before, but it lifts you in a different feeling. It made you feel "I don't feel uncomfortable listening to this person". And maybe the context is even similar. It's because these topics, there is a fine line how you present them in a way where people feel a part of the conversation. And it's very powerful if you get them right. You can have a career that can transcend your own culture, countries and you can develop a fan base that spreads across the world. Interviewer: I remember talking at work once about it, a political, religious aspect of life. And people were a little bit like "Why are you talking about this in this context?". And they were a little bit uncomfortable with that, but the reason why I like to talk to people about things that are outside the normal conversation is to try and influence people to think outside of the box. And to think "Maybe what I am thinking is not right". I am not saying I have it right. But I just like to challenge people's thoughts. Do you do that a little bit? [00:14:27] Interviewee: If you have an office space and you are standing at the fax machine with a cup of coffee, and you are having a discussion and you say "Hey, what's up with this religion thing?", it's like "What is he going on about?". Interviewer: Don't start this topic, or that kind of thing. Interviewee: That is a risk and probably a risk I would not take in a conversation. But I would take that risk on stage. The topics of religion, politics and race, I would present them on stage. Only because I understand that humour is disarming. If you want to discuss those topics, humour is actually the best way to approach those topics. Because humour puts people at ease and a few laughs would make you more accepting about what I am about to say than if I come up at the coffee machine, it would be like "Oh, this guy really has some racist topics right now". You have to live in a world where you discuss polarizing topics, but you have an advantage in that you know people will be laughing. Because of the way the dynamic of a room works, I'm on stage, I'm elevated, I have a microphone. People have paid to come see me. I'm in a position of power. So, there is a power imbalance in the room the moment I step up. Which everyone has accepted by buying a ticket. But it's my job as the entertainer to level us. I will make a few jokes about myself. The reason for doing that is to level the room, so that you feel equal to me. And my style is very conversational. To anyone watching, it is almost as if we are having a conversation. It didn't feel like a performance. Because that is my style. Interviewer: You are engaging with that guy in the audience somewhere? [00:16:13] Interviewee: Yeah, it's a levelled room. It's bringing the room together. And then I know I can discuss topics where you are using humour. I am a flawed person. And the flaws make me easier to accept. So when I present my flaws to you - whatever they are - in humour, you then relax as an audience. You are like "Okay, this person is flawed like me. We can have fun". Interviewer: Should we do that in life as well, how do we do that in a social environment? Let's say we went to a party where we didn't know the people very well. If I went with my partner to a party and it's like "Some people I don't know there". [00:16:54] Interviewee: You see it often, you visit someone and they have a big house. And then you are like "What a beautiful house" and they are like "Oh, it's nothing, my Dad bought it". They try to play it down, so they are not on a pedestal. Or they bake a cake "Oh, it wasn't much". What they are trying to do socially, is trying to level. "I am not better than you because I made a cake", or "I am not better than you because this house is big". They try and give context "Oh, my Dad bought it", or "It's from the shop down the road", or "It's an old recipe my Gran had. It's not my intelligence that made this cake. It's my Gran's old recipe". Then we are all like "Yeah, I also have a Gran". So we are finding those common threads that make us equal. Comedy and good comedians are very good at creating that. But those social skills don't just exist in comedy, they exist as you rightly pointed out in social interactions between human beings. And there is a lot to gain from it. Even somebody who believes that they are socially inept or awkward or have no social skills. Those little titbits can be taught, you can learn those little tricks here and there that makes it a bit easier. And sometimes, all that is said in between us is that I see you as above me or you see me above you and therefore you have difficulty engaging. We'll meet someone, maybe someone who's famous and then you hear the comments after engaging with them. "Oh, they are so down to earth". Because in your mind, that block has been broken that the person is above you. You say "What a nice, down to earth person". The down to earth part is basically saying "He is just like us", or "She is just like us". That is the most important little leveller in social interactions, the ability to see people as you see yourself. Interviewer: You do a lot of shows and you must get a lot of different types of people coming to these shows. I am just assuming what might be going on in your brain is "These people have everyday jobs, they are going through struggles, I need to make them feel comfortable for the night and have a laugh". Everybody struggles in their life with wanting to be successful or wanting to make the most of this life. How should we see this life that we have? We have a limited time here on this planet. What is the best attitude or outlook we should have in this life? [00:19:24] Interviewee: Clint, I have known you since 2001. We are now 2019. So that is 18, almost 19 years that I have known you. We did music together, you made music as a band, I wrote some music for you. You made music for me, were part of the group that I was a part of. And at the time we had different goals, right? We were hoping to break through, maybe break through internationally, create a little label. We had little goals that we had set for ourselves, most of them retrospectively - after looking back 19 years - we haven't achieved. We never created the label. We don't own massive pieces of sound equipment that we could hire out. We have moved on with our lives. That whole experience that we endured, I look back at it so fondly, because it made me enjoy every moment as it happens. What we always do as human beings - and it's good to have goals - but we live in expectation and we are in-orientated "This is the road to there. Ah, I can't wait". The actual important part is the destination. But the true destination is actually the journey. So when I look back on the last twenty years or the twenty-year period or for the most part, the 10 years we did that, a little bit less, I realize that the goals weren't the destination or the joy. It was what was happening at the time. It was us in the actual bus traveling. That was the beauty. That was it. It was sitting in the studio and making the music. It wasn't the end goal, that was it. So our lives as 70, 80, 90 years if you are lucky, when you look over the course of 90 years, those moments, those five or six years we spent making music intensely, that was the beautiful destination. That was it. There was nothing necessarily coming off that, that we should have been ignoring this way. Not living in this moment, because we were waiting for the end. So I try as much - and for everyone - to live. Right now, we are doing this podcast. For me, this is the most important thing. Whether this podcast is getting 256 views or 256,000 views, the most important thing right now is you and me, my friend, we are doing this podcast and we are having this conversation. This is it. Interviewer: That's awesome! Do you think at the time when we were younger, we were enjoying those times at the time? Interviewee: Yes. Interviewer: But also, we probably think back more fondly on those times. [00:21:51] Interviewee: Yeah. Fortunately, we were enjoying ourselves. So it wasn't like we were having painful sessions, because we were looking for the goal. I think that's what happens to a lot of people at work. If you think about a job, a 9 to 5 job, you think of how many hours you spend at your job over a period, or if you have been at a company 20 years or in the field 25 years. If you don't like your job and you sleep 8 hours, you spend 8 to 9 hours at work, 2 to 3 hours traveling to and from work, you are looking at the half of your life awake, spending on something that you don't like. For 25 years, that's way too long. So people who are in that position are actually missing their moment. Because they are living in a world where they can't look back on it fondly and say "Wow!" What we fortunately were doing was, we were also building something. Building our lives and creating something. We were having as much fun as possible. So even retrospectively looking back on our lives of joy, of our complete life, you enjoy where you are now, you enjoy where you were then. What I am saying is, I wish I could have known this now and we would have enjoyed it even more then. Because we enjoyed it - fortunately for us we did - but we could have enjoyed it more if we understood "This is it". Interviewer: That's amazing, I love this message, because it helps me as well. Because obviously, I have goals and visions for what this might become. But you have to enjoy it right now. [00:23:19] Interviewee: You have to enjoy it right now. Just enjoy every interview, every podcast, every mic-setup, every lighting-setup. The anticipation of the guest coming, the meeting with guests, off-camera conversations, your pre-preparation when you are writing your notes. That's all the joy. The joy is this whole experience. It's not one day when this thing is a big deal and when you are like "This is what I did it for ". No, you are doing it for this moment. Interviewer: You built a personal brand. Interviewee: Yeah. Interviewer: Carvin - as we will see in the interview - has built a personal brand. I am building my personal brand. Do you think that even if people don't start their own business, that they should be thinking about their personal brand? [00:23:59] Interviewee: Yeah, definitely. I am in a position now where I am able to turn my brand into a legitimate business. So I have an accountant who says to me "Okay, your brand Carvin H. Goldstone, comedian, is an established brand. There is money coming into the brand". So you set up a business in the name of the brand. So my business set up is Carvin H. Goldstone. The money coming in or the income that comes into the brand is then now building up the brand's portfolio to do other things. So Carvin H. Goldstone, not me, the company, can at some point buy property. It can open a school. Interviewer: It could be a media company, maybe. [00:24:47] Interviewee: Yeah, it can open media, it can teach podcasts, it can do talks. Because the Carvin H. Goldstone brand that has been built - because it is not a company now - doesn't have to go through all the tedious processes of making its name known. It exists because it's quietly being built in the background for the last 10, 15 years. Now, all it has is a structure and a home to really expand. I plan to open a school of comedy and media. And I'll do it in the brand that has been built, not necessarily myself Carvin Goldstone being present all the time teaching and whatever. But the brand will be powerful enough to do the work. To do the work that I would have had to pay for if I started a new school, to open up a school of comedy. That is now rebuilding something from the ground, what is this? Who is Carvin Goldstone? So people have an idea, there are these clips that they can watch back, so they know what the product that I produce is about and they can expect it in this brand. Interviewer: So it's about leveraging all of this hard work in the past? Interviewee: Exactly, leveraging everything. Everything you are doing leverages for later on. But you have to be conscious to enjoy it while you are creating it. And that's the key. Interviewer: You were brought up in quite a religious background. And then you broke out of that, from what I see. Being in a religious setting can sometimes restrict you or limit your worldview or your outreach. So now that I am out of it, I feel like the world is a much bigger place. But there are obviously things that come with it, like family. So how do you deal with that? [00:26:43] Interviewee: I think growing up in Africa and growing up in African Christianity, we grew up Christian in Africa. We grew up with a very restrictive and legalistic form of the belief system. Christianity has its confines and its rules and laws. But in Africa, some of those things are exaggerated. So we grew up in communities where if you are Christian, you don't drink alcohol in any way or form. The legalistic framework kind of gives us a specific way of approaching and puts the God experience in a sort of box. And that box is everything to the people in it. So anything outside of their box is going to be offensive, it's going to be wrong. it's going to be demonized. And it's going to be seen as breaking down the comforting safe structure. Because that's what you are doing, when you challenge it. You are not just challenging, you are challenging the pillars on which people have built their homes. And when you pull those pillars away, the danger is that everything they have stood on and everything they have believed in collapses. That's why they fight it. That's why you fight it. Cognitive dissonance. The brain's inner ability to even take something that's logical and understand it, because it destroys your world. So your brain finds different ways to just prove it. Interviewer: You are so heavily invested in that thought. [00:28:14] Interviewee: Yeah. So I say "The sky is red". And you are like "No, actually it's blue". I'm like "No, it's red". And my brain convinces me that it's red, because the sky being blue is going to destroy this business that I've made, selling paintings where the sky is red. And this is impossible to now be blue. It messes up my whole world. But breaking out of that is very difficult if your society and the community you come from is very entrenched in it. So it takes a lot of courage to think differently. But I think, at the same time, sometimes you are just ahead of the curve, right? So new ideas and new thinking, it requires a few mavericks who step out of their comfort and think differently. The way we think now might be seen as evil or demonic or whatever. They demonize it. But in 10 or 15 or 20 years from now, you might find that we are not alone in our alternative thinking. Because we live in a generation where access to information is so much easier. So people will basically have access to alternative thought. You think of the reformation, people like John Calvin and Martin Luther, they were sort of the alternative thinkers of their time. Because they were questioning existing in a versatile church structure. Interviewer: They didn't get treated very well. [00:29:42] Interviewee: Yeah, they were ostracized, they were put aside, some of them were put to death, in those times. But if you think of the thought processes that they put forward back then, not all of them refined, but on the base, a lot of those thought processes found life way beyond their death. And the way of doing things was fundamentally changed for a large part of the population. Instead of everyone moving this way, and two guys moving that way, we now see a split where a lot of people are now protestant. Because those protestants, their thinking eventually found ground. So I think when it comes to thinking about how we think about God, I think the traditional Christian and especially in Africa, that way of thinking what God is in a very humble almost hand-out kind of way, that is going to be challenged by people being able to live a life where they have things. Christianity thrives in Africa, because poverty and disease thrive in Africa. So what do you do when people are poor and sick? You offer them hope. And religion is hope. And hope is always welcome in a time like that. In countries where maybe poverty is not such an issue and medicine is readily available for disease, you find less dependence on spiritual hope. Because the practical solution is right there, it's easy to take hold off. Interviewer: So there could be a paradigm coming? [00:31:13] Interviewee: Yeah. There is definitely going to be a shift. But I think it's going to depend on how Africa in particular - and maybe the third world - is able to come to grips with its core issues. Housing, water, sickness, poverty, hunger is a huge problem in Africa. What do you when someone's hungry and they have no option? What would you do? You pray, that's all you can do, because there is no other practical way of getting stuff. You live with last resorts, really. And a lot of people in religion find themselves at last resort situations. And so, they call on that. And look, it is comforting to at least think that there is a way out of this that is beyond your control. I think as human beings, in our darkest moment or in our trying times we want to know that there is a superior force that will bring us through this. That will take care of our needs. And the greater your need, the greater your basic need, like [00:32:19] hierarchy of needs, the base needs, the greater you are going to need your faith and your dependence. Because you need so much. Interviewer: This is what I am thinking at the moment, this is my world-view: Like you said, people reach out to a God that might help them at the time, which is like "It is my last hope". I think where we are being guided now, is to think that we can solve these things at a human practical level. So we should challenge what's going on in the banking system, in the world government systems, where it's causing poverty, it's causing inequalities. So we as human beings, the citizens of this world should get together and really make a movement that starts to eliminate poverty, starts to decrease wars, because of our actions on this Earth. So we can - in a sense - save ourselves. [00:33:22] Interviewee: Yeah. So the move toward a new humanistic approach to saving ourselves, as you point out, it comes from a disillusionment. This illusion with the state which has this unholy alliance with religion. So matter what first world country - the big ones, like the UK and America - if they get to the core of their religious relationship, it's with a Christian partner, so Donald Trump is quite big on Christian ethics. And he's got a good relationship with the Christian community of America. And the relationship between the Christianity and the government is very entrenched. In the UK, the queen is the head of the church, the Anglican church, which is directly connected, they can't be separated. State and religion and church cannot be separated in the big nations. And in the Muslim nations, this is the same thing. It cannot be separated, they are intertwined. But what is the result for the majority of people around the world? This alliance that they have has not brought relief to the people of the world. So what do you do? Do you keep supporting it? Do people keep quiet when they see governments that are intertwined with religious belief systems? Do they just let them continue? No, people are thinking "This is not working. If the world is the biggest government in the world and some of the wealthiest ones have this relationship and there is still so much poverty, then maybe this is not the answer". So I think people are thinking of other ways. Because if we think about the three big religions, or the ones that influence our way of thinking, our way of life the most, the Jew and Christian tradition, Islam being the third, they come from a similar sort of area, region of the world. The Middle-Eastern region, the Middle-Eastern religions and they offer exclusivity. So whether you are Muslim or Christian or Jew, you have exclusive access to a God through your faith in that belief system. Which is quite different to the Eastern or the Indian religions, Buddhism or Hinduism, which allow for a polarity of Gods and allow for different belief systems. These ones that are very exclusive, they spread the widest. Interviewer: Because they can control? [00:35:47] Interviewee: Because they are selling you almost admission to a club that you can't get in, unless you are a member. So you can't go to heaven unless you have faith in this particular thing. And that's got a lot of appeal. I am not sure what the rates of evangelism or Hinduism is, but I am pretty sure it's nothing near the rates of Christianity, because it's selling hope. But the countries where this is practiced the most, the relationship between government and religion, the benefit to the world is not tangible. Especially in Africa. You will find that people are as poor as ever. And if we look who colonized us, it were the nations who had this relationship. So what did they really bring? They brought religion and they brought slavery. So how do you reconcile their God with good, when the result has been bad? There has been a lot of disease and poverty. It's very difficult for people to reconcile that. At a thinking level, the more education you get, the more you begin to question "What was this all about, really?" Interviewer: Is it also maybe keeping them dumb, in a way? Interviewee: The power, I think it was Livingston who was quoted, who famously said, or in reference to Livingston... Interviewer: David Livingston. [00:37:13] Interviewee: He was a missionary and a colonialist and an explorer. It was "When they came to Africa, we had the land and they had the bible. Now we have the bible and they have the land". So the African story is one of exchange of the good. So Africa gave up a lot of national resources to visitors. Whether it was Jan van Riebeeck who came with the Dutch or the English, the British, the Portuguese, all the visitors ended up with a lot. And the people of Africa didn't end up with as much. In fact, until today a lot of them don't have any land or any possessions over time. What they do have, though, is their religion. Africa is deeply religious. Their love of Christianity and a lot of them are Anglicans and Catholics and Charismatics. And so, the hope is in this thing that they have over time really had to exchange their national wealth for. Interviewer: I think we need to break out of that. And I think, as humans, we need to fix the problem. Hopefully there is an enlightenment coming within Africa. Do you see that or do you still see that it can be hidden from them somehow by those who want to control? [00:38:35] Interviewee: This is the thing about breaking the chains of your oppressor, Africa is going to find itself a new master if they don't get to grips with themselves. Because the Chinese will not let Africa just pass by. Africa is rich with resources. They are basically offering to pay off debts of African countries, "Take a loan from us, we'll board your harbour. And then, if you can't pay back the fee, we'll own the harbour. Or you'll give us rights to fish off your coast". Chinese fishing nets are cleaning up the natural resources in the ocean, the sea creatures. Interviewer: So they could be aware of this? Interviewee: Yeah, that's actually happening at the moment, Africa now finds itself with a new sort of master that's on the doorstep. Interviewer: It's an alarm bell, really. [00:39:34] Interviewee: It's an alarm bell, and I'm not sure how Africa breaks out of it. Because if you look at the history of Africa, there was a time in Africa when Africa was powerful. There was a time when Africa was a trading point, places like Tanzania and Zanzibar were travel routes between the East and Africa. So trading between Arabia, trading between India. Those routes existed before colonials came. You saw places like Timbuktu and Kush where Africans established kingdoms and dynasties and Egyptians had lots of technology, mathematics and hieroglyphics. What would have happened to Africa if it wasn't colonized? Would Africa have eventually developed? I don't think so. I think technology development is a combined effort and we are all basically a combination of all the great ideas and thoughts. So today we have microphones and we are doing podcasts. Podcasts are a great idea. How many little pieces had to come together to design, before we got to podcasts? Microphones had to be designed, ideologies, psychology had to be thought out. Conversation had to be thought out, cabling, cameras. There are so many little pieces that eventually got us to this. So the podcast itself might be a creation of something awesome, but there are so many little bits and pieces that had to be created before we got to this point. So I think likewise for Africa to have thrived, it couldn't have stayed in isolation. What could have happened, though - I am not sure if you have ever been to Dubai - but whenever I go to the United Arab Emirates, I always think "This is possibly what Africa could have been". Because the United Arab Emirates, Dubai in particular, was like this little fishing village, where guys would dive, open clams, pick poles. That was the trade of the Emirate people. And then, in Abu Dhabi they discovered oil. Once they discovered oil, they realized that oil is a massive resource and this is going to make us very rich. But the structure they put in place was how they were going to take it out and stay in control of the wealth. Which is very different to the African story. For example, they got the British involved and a few other people to come help them get the oil out of the ground. So they can't get the oil out of the ground, they know who can. But they don't want them to completely own it. So they have these laws in place where if you open up a business in Dubai, you have to have an Emirate partner. And I don't know if it is still in place, that partner had to be the majority partner. So if you wanted to take any wealth, you made sure that you were also enriching a local person. Africa's story is completely different. If you ever go to Kimberley, the big hole where they found the Cullinan diamond, that sits in the crown, they found in Kimberley these masses of diamonds. And it was just like wild, wild west. It is almost like crypto-currency in a way. because everyone just goes and takes whatever they need and you trade it and you move. And people are building these digging areas and little rigorous [00:42:43] there and someone digs next to it and they get a little breach. And there were just holes everywhere. Until, I think it was the De Beer, he got the idea that no man can form a diamond company and we can control how the digging and all that is happening. But when all of that stuff came out of the ground, it went everywhere except to people. You went to Kimberley, right? It's a dead town, it's hard to believe. I think it's the second place to have street lights in the world, I think the first was Philadelphia or something. So Kimberley was ahead of its time, you had the Kimberley stock exchange. It had its own stock exchange, it was trading diamonds, trading gold before Johannesburg was a thing. It was a city ahead of the world in many ways. And it had this amazing resource of diamonds. It was discovered I think in a river. The story goes like this: There were kids playing in a river and they found a stone. They gave it to a traveller. So the kids were playing with it, the traveller said "I'll give you something for it". The man checked it out, they were diamonds. So they knew. And diamonds, they obviously were kicked out of the volcano at some point. So they formed out of a volcano and pushed out. So they were in the river that flowed down. So they knew there was something there and they were 100% correct. Now there is a massive hole. The hole represents the wealth of South African Kimberley. But none of that wealth exists for the people of Kimberley. That wealth has been exported to particularly Britain. I sometimes wonder if diamonds and gold had been discovered in a time like today, like how Dubai or Abu Dhabi was set up, that Africa would have been a better place. It just makes you wonder what type of world we would have lived in. Because if you go to the UAE, you find that foreigners or visitors and local people, there is a relationship they enjoy or they experience that is so different to Africa. They don't see foreigners as colonists, they see them as helpers. It's co-laborers in mining the wealth of Dubai. Whereas in Africa, the people see the colonists as oppressors. I don't know if that relationship will ever change, the way the African people view Europeans in particular, who came to the different countries, like the French, some parts of the Congo, the Belgians and obviously the British and the Dutch. The Portuguese in [00:45:24] and Angora. I don't know if there ever will be a time when African people will be able to hold hands with these people. Because for the most part, the African people until today are still poor while a lot of these great-grandchildren and grandchildren of the original arrivals are still wealthy. And that gap in South Africa is probably the worst, that gap between rich and poor. Interviewer: I think it's probably up to these countries now, in a way, to redistribute technology, wealth, knowledge into the entire world, so that we can all benefit. If Africa is stronger, the whole world is stronger. So I don't think there is any point in people and powers that be controlling this wealth and trying to control people. It is probably beneficial to them right now, but our future, as our planet, as our children and our grandchildren, we need to build a place that is equal all around the world. And we have to make this movement, we have to do that. [00:46:24] Interviewee: Well, the problem with that, Clint, political systems that exist... Socialism - which in a slight sense is what you are hinting at - is not popular in the Western world. The idea that the Westerners would somehow give up their resources to help the less, I don't think that is going to catch fire. I know America already has a problem with any form of socialism among their own people, their neighbours, people at the border, you read every day of how they don't want to offer healthcare to immigrants at the border. That is what you are suggesting, that's probably the closest that they can practice it, and they don't want to practice it. I'm not sure how the UK feels about moving from where it is now to a more socialistic approach to solving world peace. Democracy remains the preferred political system. Capitalism remains the preferred financial political system. And as long as those exist, it will always come down to who has more knowledge, who knows more, who has better connections. And those who don't, will fall back. Interviewer: Not that I am a socialist, I haven't really thought about this a lot, but I think that we are going to evolve a different type of political system. It may not even be a political system. But there is going to be a new way of... Not governing people, because I think that's the wrong word. A new way of living. [00:48:08] Interviewee: Well the idea of democracy was that people chose the government. Democracy was that the people shall vote and the people shall govern. But the problem with democracy is that you can't have democracy with an under-educated election. So if the people don't know the deal, what's going on, they shouldn't really be allowed to vote. That might sound like a very dictatorial thing to say, but if people don't know what is on offer and who stands for what, how can they make an informed decision on who should lead? And so, political parties prey on that, they prey on the ignorance of people. That's why you have these far right leaning and far left leaning parties and movements that keep rising up. The fact that Donald Trump is in power is a direct response to Barrack Obama being in power. So the left ruling for two terms, the right being so agitated, they don't really care necessarily what the policies are. They just feel like they are being isolated. And so the voting is along racial lines and it's along really personal lines about who I am as a person, what I look like. In South Africa, too. As opposed to "What are the policies the party is offering?" Interviewer: Well, it has been great talking to you, Carvin. I like this thought-pattern and I think that the more we talk about it, the more we start to think about it and hopefully, the more people listen, the more we think about it. I don't have the answers. No one has the answers right now. But as we collectively think, we might come up with something that is going to work, that is going to help. [00:49:52] Interviewee: As a political system - just to round it up - what I think should happen, in a country like mine like South Africa, we have the unfortunate legacy of apartheid and being freedom fighters. And then a government that needs to pay or thank freedom fighters for what they did. So there is a payment system that's paid through government, the government positions and head of departments and mayors and premiers. So these positions at this point in time are not necessarily going to the best people that could take a country like ours forward. There is a list of people that haven't received any benefits for fighting in the struggle and giving up their lives and losing partners. A lot of the older freedom movements like the ANC, there is a big struggle of how the party moves forward. Because when they elect people like Jacob Zuma to the presidency, any thinking person in and outside the ANC will ask themselves "Was this really the best foot forward? When they looked through all of the ranks of the party, with a legacy of people like [00:51:11] and Walter Sisulu, Nelson Mandela, then Jacob Zuma? This is our best step forward?" And I don't think that necessarily is the best step forward or anyone else that comes afterwards. I think we are just in this awkward age of still having to pay people who help fight for freedom. My wish is, once we get through this tricky period, that we start appointing some ideals governments. The best doctor in the country is the minister of health. And the most decorated police man, active working, is the minister of police. And likewise, the most decorated judge is the minister of justice. So I think a very professional [00:52:02] EO private type approach to government is the only way we are going to fix our political system. Because I think in that case, we will at least get a lot of experience, firstly, in those fields. And logical thinking towards the best systems. I think as long as it's politicized and the people put into these positions are actually politicians and not professionals in those industries, we are going to keep running around in circles. So my ideal political system in South Africa - and I suppose in most parts of the world - would involve the best available person in that field being the minister of that. So I will give you a small example of a little political situation. There are ten of us and we are friends and you are good at making music, I am good at telling jokes and Pete is good at break-dancing. You are not going to ask me to be the break-dancer. In our little political group, it's going to be him, he should be the minister of break-dancing, because he is the best break-dancer and that makes the most sense. So that's a microcosm. On the grand scale, if we could get that sort of thinking into our political system, the best results for us to get the best police results is to have the best police man. Kind of conducting, because all the experience and the know-how is what's going to give us an advantage. Because knowledge is power and it gives an advantage. That's why you have knowledgeable people in high positions. Because the knowledge and that experience just makes us more dynamic, more sharp, makes us think better on our feet. And we don't have that. Interviewer: Carvin H. Goldstone, comedian, friend, thanks for being on LifeShot Podcast. [00:53:52] Interviewee: Thank you, it has been fun. Interviewer: And I wish you all the best for the rest of your trip in the UK. And if people want to see more about you, where do they go? Interviewee: I have a website, it's carvingoldstone.com. And you can find everything you need there. Interviewer: Great. Thank you very much. Interviewee: Thanks.

Referencias: - Extracto de video "Animafest Zagreb 2017 Official Festival Trailer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi0IUVURuk0&feature=youtu.be - Extracto de video "Away Trailer 2" https://vimeo.com/334196246 - Extractos de video Accused#2 : Walter Sisulu (2018) - Trailer (International) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFccVWmMTkc&feature=youtu.be

James Urdang is the Founder and CEO of Education Africa, is a Social Entrepreneur, humanitarian and Public Speaker. He has dedicated more than 29 years helping to bring about real, positive and meaningful change to the lives of disadvantaged Africans. James has been recognized globally and is a recipient of the Klaus Jacobs Awards in Switzerland for Social Engagement and Innovation. James was mentored by the late Walter Sisulu and was honored to have been asked to speak at the funeral of the late Chris Hani. James was the first person in the non-profit sector to lead President Nelson Mandela and had the honor of presenting him the Golden Doves of Peace Award and accompany him at a number of Education Africa events. The biggest challenge for James has always been the sustainability of Education Africa and his dream is to create an endowment fund so that Education Africa can be self-sustainable --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/entrepreneur-connect-africa/support

James Urdang is the Founder and CEO of Education Africa, is a Social Entrepreneur, humanitarian and Public Speaker. He has dedicated more than 29 years helping to bring about real, positive and meaningful change to the lives of disadvantaged Africans. James has been recognized globally and is a recipient of the Klaus Jacobs Awards in Switzerland for Social Engagement and Innovation. James was mentored by the late Walter Sisulu and was honored to have been asked to speak at the funeral of the late Chris Hani. James was the first person in the non-profit sector to lead President Nelson Mandela and had the honor of presenting him the Golden Doves of Peace Award and accompany him at a number of Education Africa events. The biggest challenge for James has always been the sustainability of Education Africa and his dream is to create an endowment fund so that Education Africa can be self-sustainable --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/entrepreneur-connect-africa/support

James Urdang is the Founder and CEO of Education Africa, is a Social Entrepreneur, humanitarian and Public Speaker. He has dedicated more than 29 years helping to bring about real, positive and meaningful change to the lives of disadvantaged Africans.James has been recognized globally and is a recipient of the Klaus Jacobs Awards in Switzerland for Social Engagement and Innovation.James was mentored by the late Walter Sisulu and was honored to have been asked to speak at the funeral of the late Chris Hani. James was the first person in the non-profit sector to lead President Nelson Mandela and had the honor of presenting him the Golden Doves of Peace Award and accompany him at a number of Education Africa events.The biggest challenge for James has always been the sustainability of Education Africa and his dream is to create an endowment fund so that Education Africa can be self-sustainable --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Academic activities at Walter Sisulu University in Mthatha in the Eastern Cape continue to be disrupted as the Academic Professional Staff Association continues with its protest action. The association is calling for the in-sourcing of their members working for private companies at the institution. The institution has been marred by incidents of arson including clashes between a local private security company, the workers and students. Spokesperson of the Academic professional Staff Association, Thando Mxoli says at least one worker remains in a critical condition in hospital while a student was shot with a pellet gun in the leg..

Veteran anti-apartheid activist, recipient of the order of luthuli and late Walter Sisulu's former secretary, Rica Hodgson has dies at the age of 97. Hodgson was also a member of the South African Congress of Democrats and the Communist Party of South Africa (CPSA).We speak to her son, Spencer Hodgson...

Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande says IntelliMali managers need to get to the bottom of a blunder that resulted in a NSFAS student receiving 14 million rand. The Walter Sisulu student went on a frivolous spending spree, spending more than 800-thousand rand of the amount. Nzimande says he has commissioned an investigation into the matter and wants IntelliMali to deal with the employees responsible for the grave error. Elvis Presslin spoke to Minister Blade Nzimande.

Four universities are at risk of losing their accreditation of Bachelors of Laws - LLB - if the quality of their programmes does not improve. This after the Council on Higher Education issued the universities with a notice of withdrawal of the accreditation status. This means that students may not continue to be afforded to study law at the universities. The four universities, are the North West University, Walter Sisulu, Unisa and the University of Free State. Tsepiso Makwetla spoke to Professor Caroline Nicholson, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of the Free State.

The management of Walter Sisulu University of technology has ordered a complete shut- down of the university's Mthatha campus in the Eastern Cape. This comes after an admissions building was set alight, allegedly by protesting students. Registration and other administrative processes came to an abrupt halt on Tuesday when students protested over registration issues. Mbasa Khwaza reports

Walter Sisulu University management and the student leadership met until late last night to try and resolve their differences over outstanding debt. Registration and other administration processes came to an abrupt halt at the University in Mthatha yesterday afternoon. This is after students prevented university workers from entering the premises, claiming that some students who have outstanding debt are required to pay 20 per cent deposit before they can be registered for this academic year. We are joined on the line by Walter Sisulu University spokesperson, Yonela Tukwayo, to talk more about this.......

The ANC in the Western Cape has bestowed a "Human Rights Legacy Honour" to former Rivonia Trialist, Denis Goldberg. Goldberg was tried alongside leaders such as Nelson Mandela, Govan Mbeki, Walter Sisulu, Ahmed Kathrada, Andrew Mlangeni and others during the Rivonia Trial. The event was held in Cape Town last night. Berenice Moss reports

This week we talk to Ambassador Sheila Sisulu - Chancellor of Walter Sisulu University. Our conversation acknowledges the significance of education for women to empower themselves, but emphasises the importance of appropriate infrastructure to enable women to contribute to the economy, particularly for those raising young families with a pressing need for affordable, quality, safe schooling for their children. We address issues of gender socialisation, women in leadership and legislative compliance. We discuss factors of success, from competitive siblings, to family guidance, and the multiple enablers that play their collective role in the pathways to an individual’s achievements. Tune in for more….

Welcome back to robinlofton.com!  This is the place where we are remembering history and the place where we are making it. March is an interesting month: winter melts into spring, schools take a long—and much-needed break and many of us are still on a high from last month’s Black history month celebrations and remembrances. With all the great stories, achievements, and contributions, Black history month is a very hard act to follow. But March does have its strengths.  This month, the theme will be marches. You know, when people get out and march, protest and make demands on the government for changes, improvements and justice.  I’m talking about that important and powerful form of protest: marching.    Yes, in March, we will discuss marches. We’ll discuss famous marches. We’ll discuss not-so-famous marches.  We will also examine why we march.  And, during March month—and every month—I would love to hear from you if you’ve ever been involved in a march. What was it like? What were you marching about?  What do you think of marching? Was it effective?  In short, I want to hear from you about your marching experiences.   I can begin with one of my marching experiences. I was an undergrad at UCLA.  During the 1980s (yes, I’m revealing my age bracket here), the United States was one of the last countries to maintain economic ties with South Africa. This was during the time when South Africa was in the grip of apartheid. The Black Students Association (or BSA as it is known by people in the know) organized several large marches on campus to demand that the UC Regents divest our funds from South Africa. We also demanded a full economic boycott against South Africa while it maintained the system of apartheid and while Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu and other members of the ANC remained in prison. Today, we know how the story ended:  Apartheid was dismantled. South Africa became an isolated symbol of racism throughout the world. And Nelson Mandela was freed from prison and became the first Black African president of South Africa. We know that he was much more than that—his legacy of power, peace, equality, and justice endure today, long after his death. And the other political prisoners were released.  Did the Black Student marches accomplish all that?  Probably not—at least not alone. But these marches were happening all over the country and I think that we all contributed to dismantling apartheid and making South Africa into a free and democratic country.  The marches at UCLA—all non-violent I should add—were events that brought us together as a community working towards a single and just cause.  We felt empowered and strong. We felt unity (remember Umoja (in Swahili) from the first day of Kwanzaa?) and a collective passion to join the struggle with people thousands of miles away who desired equality, justice and freedom.  To answer my own questions: Were our marches effective? Absolutely. Would I do it again?  I already have!  But that’s for another podcast.   Let’s back up and do a bit of housecleaning before we begin part 1 of the marches podcast series.   I hope that you enjoyed the Black History month wiki history podcasts where we answered basic questions about Black History Month: What is it?  Who started it and why?  And one of the most relevant questions (which also happened to be the most popular podcast of the month): do we still need Black History month?  That presented a great question and really made people think about why, with a Black president, we continue to need Black history month. In fact, I remember seeing the hashtag #28daysisnotenough.  It really isn’t so I will continue to learn, remember and honor Black history.  If you haven’t listened to the Black history month wiki podcasts, please take a bit of time to go back to them. They are not long. Remember that they’re wiki lectures. That means (in the Hawaiian language), that you can learn a lot really fast.       One more thing before I forget and before we start discussing famous marches:  robinlofton.com is taking a new name. This website, podcast, and blog will be called rememberinghistory.com.  I will still be the host and the front person but the name will change to reflect more closely my real goal. To remember history. To honor history. To learn from and be inspired by history. And, ultimately, to make history.  So, rememberinghistory.com.  There’s nothing that you need to do.  You can go to robinlofton.com where you’ll be forwarded to rememberinghistory.com. Or you can, of course, just visit rememberinghistory.com. Looking forward to seeing you there.   Now for the marches.               I know as I begin this podcast, you might be thinking about the blockbuster historical movie, Selma.  That’s great. I love historical movies because they help to bring history to life and remind us of the important events in history—even if they were not so long ago. And Selma, Alabama was the scene of an important march on what has come to be known as Bloody Sunday. It was March 7, 1965. There were other marches that took place around the same time, lasting for another 18 days. The Turnaround March, for example.  This was one of the most famous marches in U.S. history.  What was the march about? Voting rights for African Americans. The marchers were demanding the passage of a Voting Rights law that prohibited discrimination in the right and practice of voting. As the bloody Sunday name suggests, this non-violent march ended with police and state troopers attacking the unarmed marchers. Many were injured. Some were killed.  This march was effective: President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act into law just five months later, on August 6, 1965. There is lots more about the Voting Rights Act—it is a fundamental and revolutionary document that is constantly under attack—and I have a wiki history podcast that discusses it called Civil Rights Movement: The Laws & Supreme Court cases.  Back to the Selma march, the march was also a response to the killing of Jimmie Lee Jackson by an Alabama State trooper. Mr. Jackson was killed while fleeing violence that had erupted at a voting rights rally. The Selma march was also a response to the killing of Rev. James Reeb by four members of the Ku Klux Klan who objected to Rev. Reeb dining at an integrated restaurant. Well, if you want to know more about the Selma march, I encourage you to see the movie or listen to my podcast called The Civil Rights Movement: Marches and Protests. Actually, you can do both if you like!   One of the most famous and largest marches, not just in U.S. history, but in world history was the March on Washington, which was held on August 28, 1963. Did you know that full name was the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom?  Yes, that really tells it all. It was the largest march ever held for economic and social rights for African Americans. 250,000 people attended the march, including 60,000 whites. It was absolutely an integrated (or multicultural in modern lingo) movement—and that was very rare at the time. This is when and where SCLC president Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. gave his iconic “I Have a Dream” speech.   In fact, there was a long list of speakers including A. Philip Randolph who gave the opening remarks, SNCC Chairman John Lewis (who would be a central figure at the Selma march 2 years later), National Urban League director Whitney Young, and NAACP Executive Secretary Roy Wilkens who led a moment of silence for WEB Dubois had died in Ghana on the previous night.  There was also a long list of performers like Mahalia Jackson, Marion Anderson, Joan Baez and Bob Dylan. How effective was the March on Washington? That is open to a lot of debate.  There was criticism on all sides: Some people, including Malcolm X, thought that the issue and goal of the march were too diluted as a result of multicultural support and conflicting agendas. Some people in the Kennedy Administration felt that the march was too radical and inflammatory because many speakers were questioning the effectiveness of the current civil rights bill. Still, others (particularly white segregationists) were angered that Black people and civil rights issues had been provided with so much power and coverage. Most of the participants felt that the march was an historic and life-changing experience. To me (no I wasn’t there), that historic and life-changing feeling by itself shows that the march was effective and powerful.  Following the march, President Kennedy did actually meet with civil rights leaders—that was a huge step on its own—but he had not signed the civil rights bill before his assassination. Eleven months later, his successor Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law.   So, those are two of the most famous marches.  There is a lot more to say about them but I encourage you read about them for yourself.  Two good books are This is the Day: The March on Washington by Leonard Freed and March from Selma to Montgomery by Michael Uschan (by the way, Michael Uschan has written a lot about African American history and his books are very readable and informative.) If you’re more the visual type, go see Selma if it’s still in the theaters. If not, then a great DVD is Selma, Lord, Selma. And a good DVD about the March on Washington is called The March, which is a documentary with Denzel Washington. I just mention these books and DVDs but you can find them all and others (with reviews) on robinlofton.com and rememberinghistory.com. Look in the store section on Marches. You can’t miss it!       And, while you’re at the website, please give me your comments about the marches, the books, the movies, or anything else that it is on your mind. I love to hear from my listeners. Remember we are part of a community and I definitely believe in freedom of speech and expression.  If you actually attended one of these marches—or another march—tell me your experiences, thoughts, and beliefs about the marches.    In the next wiki podcast, we are going to discuss some of the lesser-known marches.  These marches are not unknown, but they certainly were not on the scale of the March on Washington or the Selma to Montgomery march in terms of participation and numbers. But you might just find that they were powerful, effective and memorable in their own right. And to make it even more interesting, I am going to focus on a single city for the wiki history podcast on these lesser-known marches. I will not tell you the name of the city but here’s a hint: This city has been described as a “hotbed of radical activism.” That’s a quote. Well, think about it and tune in next time for the name of this “hotbed of radical activism” and the marches that have occurred there.  Just to jump ahead, the final podcast in the marches series will discuss why we march and examine the march as an effective tool for change. We will examine specific and modern marches so it will be quite interesting.  There is a reason that Gandhi marched and that we continue to march.   Finally, every time someone listens to these podcasts, I will donate $1 to the ASALH, the Association for the Study of African American Life & History.  This organization, founded by Carter G. Woodson, is celebrating its centennial anniversary this year and is a great organization that keeps African American history alive, growing and respected. Feel free to visit them at asalh.org.   And feel free to visit robinlofton.com and rememberinghistory.com. Hope that you enjoyed this “march” down memory lane (sorry, but I couldn’t resist that one), I hope to hear your comments and experiences, and I hope that you will join me at the next marches podcast where we are remembering history and we’re making history.   Bye for now!

Vandag 50 jaar gelede, op 12 Junie 1964, is wyle oud-President Nelson Mandela en sewe ander mede-beskuldiges in die Rivonia-verhoor lewenslange tronkstraf opgelê. Die ander beskuldiges was Dennis Goldberg, Kathy Kathrada, Andrew Mlangeni, Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki, Raymond Mhlaba en Elias Motsoaledi. Die Rivonia-verhoor het oor 'n tydperk van agt en 'n half maande plaasgevind, en word beskou as een van die belangrikste politieke hofsake in Suid-Afrika se geskiedenis. Die verslag is saamgestel deur Sandra de Lange, Angie Kapelianis en Danny Booysen.

In October 1989, the anti-apartheid leader, Walter Sisulu, was freed from prison after 26 years. He had been jailed along with Nelson Mandela on Robben Island. One of Sisulu's daughters, Beryl, recalls the day her father came home. Photo: Walter Sisulu with his wife, Albertina, soon after his release from prison (AP)

Kirsty Young's castaway this week is Joel Joffe. For many years he was the chairman of Oxfam, before that he set up a hugely successful insurance company and most recently he's been campaigning for terminally ill people to have the right to die. But the career in which he has had the greatest impact is the one he was forced to give up more than 40 years ago - law.In 1963, Joel Joffe was a young defence solicitor, so dismayed by the apartheid system of his native South Africa that he was on the brink of emigrating. Then he was asked to take over the defence of a group of ANC activists including Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki and Nelson Mandela. The trial gripped the world and was all the more extraordinary because, far from aiming to secure his clients' freedom, Joel Joffe was simply fighting for them not to receive the death penalty. He tells Kirsty how, even in his prison clothes, Nelson Mandela was a figure of calm authority, who guided them through the trial.[Taken from the original programme material for this archive edition of Desert Island Discs]Favourite track: Under Milk Wood by Richard Burton Book: A Long Walk to Freedom by Nelson Mandela Luxury: Wind-up radio.

Kirsty Young's castaway this week is Joel Joffe. For many years he was the chairman of Oxfam, before that he set up a hugely successful insurance company and most recently he's been campaigning for terminally ill people to have the right to die. But the career in which he has had the greatest impact is the one he was forced to give up more than 40 years ago - law. In 1963, Joel Joffe was a young defence solicitor, so dismayed by the apartheid system of his native South Africa that he was on the brink of emigrating. Then he was asked to take over the defence of a group of ANC activists including Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki and Nelson Mandela. The trial gripped the world and was all the more extraordinary because, far from aiming to secure his clients' freedom, Joel Joffe was simply fighting for them not to receive the death penalty. He tells Kirsty how, even in his prison clothes, Nelson Mandela was a figure of calm authority, who guided them through the trial. [Taken from the original programme material for this archive edition of Desert Island Discs] Favourite track: Under Milk Wood by Richard Burton Book: A Long Walk to Freedom by Nelson Mandela Luxury: Wind-up radio.