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Episode 115: In this episode, Kate sits down with Jordan Thomas to talk about his new book When It All Burns: Fighting Fire in a Transformed World. It might not be the conversation you expect, opening by exploring fire's centrality to what it is to be human and how relational and contextual fire is. Jordan guides us through the last ten thousand years of fire use by Indigenous communities. Jordan then does a dive into understanding the intertwining of fire and capitalism through the last 300 years, culminating in the last decade or so of megafires, fueled by climate change. Jordan is an anthropologist and former wildland firefighter and while he's sharing how fire has transformed our world, he also shares how the process of writing this book transformed him, and the joy, grief, trauma, and love he goes through in his search to better understand fire. The conversation winds down talking about prescribed burns and using fire with intention. In the end, Kate and Jordan come back around to relationships and how much they matter in exploring how humanity might once again shift their relationship with fire. Jordan's Book: When It All Burns: Fighting Fire in a Transformed WorldReference Episodes:Episode 112: Mariah Blake on PFAS, Chemicals in Firefighting Episode 61:Robbie Krapfel on Fighting FireEpisode 95: Brock Dolman on Fire, Water, and BeaversEpisode 72: Ben Goldfarb on Beavers, Built and Natural Worlds Episode 85: John Vaillant on FireEpisode 93: John Perlin on our Relationship to Wood and ForestsEpisode 113: Marguerite Holloway on Our Relationship to ForestsSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALT: Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off at Redmond.lifeAffiliates:FIELD COMPANY CAST IRON: fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEAR: Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. HOME OF WOOL: 10% off Home of

Episode 114: In this conversation, Kate Kavanaugh sits down with author Chris Berdik to discuss his new book 'Clamor: How Noise Took Over the World and How We Can Take It Back'. They dive into the often-overlooked significance of sound in both our personal lives and the natural world. Chris shares insights into the biology of hearing, the impacts of hearing loss, and the pervasive issue of noise pollution—both for humans and wildlife. At its heart, it's about how sound connects us to the world at large and to one another. The discussion explores the evolutionary importance of sound, how our auditory experiences shape our connection to the environment, and the broader implications of noise on our well-being (and the importance of preventing hearing loss). They also touch on how sound can shift environments: from hospitals to neighborhoods. Ultimately, this conversation highlights the critical relationship between sound, human and environmental health, and community engagement in shaping healthier soundscapes.X: @chrisberdikWebsiteNewsletter Clamor: How Noise Took Over the World - and How We Can Take It BackResources Mentioned:Soundprint AppRelated Episodes: Episode 90: Sh*t, Shipping, and Blood: Upending Taboos and Exploring the Ignored with Rose GeorgeEpisode 72: Circular Economies and Linear Infrastructure: the Complex Interplay of Roads, Beavers, and Ecosystems with Ben GoldfarbEpisode 83: A Planetary Pulse of Connection: Exploring the Ocean, Science, and Beyond with Helen Czerski Episode 58: Exploring the Mystery + Embracing the Unknown with Fred ProvenzaSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALT: Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off at Redmond.lifeAffiliates:FIELD COMPANY CAST IRON: fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEAR: Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. HOME OF WOOL: 10% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH

Episode 113: In this episode, Kate sits down with author Marguerite Holloway to explore her new book ‘Take to the Trees: A Story of Hope, Science, and Self-Discovery in America's Imperiled Forests'. Marguerite takes us on a deeply personal journey as she learns to climb trees at a women's tree climbing workshop—an experience that shifts her perspective—quite literally—and opens her up to new ways of seeing the world. From Aspens to Magnolias, and Hemlocks to Beeches, she brings us into the hidden lives of trees, tracing their biology, history, and the complex relationships they share with our ecosystems.As we dive into the perils trees face in a warming climate, we also talk about the from arborists, biologists, and ecologists who are working tirelessly to protect them. This conversation brings into focus the often-overlooked world of trees, challenging ‘plant blindness' and shifting them from the periphery to the center of our attention. At its heart, the conversation is about reconciling the hard truths of ecological loss with the enduring hope that comes from connecting with nature in such a direct and transformative way. This episode is as much about trees as it is about seeing the world through a new lens—one that invites us to reimagine our relationship with the living world around us.Find Marguerite: Take to the Trees: A Story of Hope, Science, and Self-Discovery in America's Imperiled ForestsX: @marg_hollowayLinkedInNew Yorker ArticlesWomens Tree Climbing Workshop Episodes Like It:Episode 93: The Wood Age: Humans and the Forests That Made Them Human with John PerlinEpisode 87: Complexity, Cooperation, and Beauty - A New Story for Earth with Ferris JabrEpisode 72: Circular Economies and Linear Infrastructure: The Complex Interplay of Roads, Beavers, and Ecosystems with Ben GoldfarbEpisode 66: We are the Drivers of Our Species Tomorrows with Cat BohannonEpisode 95: Basins of Relations: Water, Fire, Beavers, and beyond with Brock DolmanEpisode 99: Living Into the Life You Want with Caroline NelsonSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipSponsored By:

Episode 112: In this episode, Kate is joined by journalist Mariah Blake to discuss her new book, ‘They Poisoned the World: Life and Death in the Age of Forever Chemicals.' Together, they trace the buried history of PFAS and forever chemicals—synthetic chemicals first developed in the 1930's—that would go on to saturate everything from firefighting foam to clothes to town water supplies, with devastating consequences for public health.The conversation centers on the story of Hoosick Falls, New York, where a small community uncovered widespread PFAS contamination in their drinking water and began a fight for justice. Kate and Mariah explore the regulatory ignorance that allowed this to happen, the role of DuPont and other chemical giants in shaping the response, and how communities are rising to meet the crisis.They discuss how outrage becomes a catalyst for environmental change, and how ordinary people—farmers, military families, and local organizers—are now on the front lines of the PFAS fight. Through the lens of Blake's reporting, this episode is a powerful look at what happens when chemical convenience collides with human health, and how resilience grows in even the most contaminated ground.Find Mariah:They Poisoned the World: Life and Death in the Age of Forever Chemicals by Mariah BlakeInstagram: @mariahcblakeX: @mariahcblakeSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipResources MentionedPlastic List created by Nat Friedman: https://www.plasticlist.org Plastic: A Toxic Love Story by Susan Freinkel Dr. Max Liboiron — https://civiclaboratory.nl Time Bombing the Future by Rebecca Altman Richard Rhodes Making of Atomic BombRelated Episodes:Episode 85 with John Vaillant on Consumption, the Petrochemical IndustryEpisode 82 with Jay Owens on Dust, Testing the Bomb, Our Polluted WorldEpisode 83 with Helen Czerski on the OceanSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALT: Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off at Redmond.lifeAffiliates:

Episode 111: In this episode, Kate sits down with Tabitha Rose from Skin Fancy to go deep. At once, it's an exploration of building a bioregional supply chain for a skincare company and looking to the plants and ingredients that are attuned to an ecosystem to create an incredible skincare line. It's also an episode about Tabitha and she invites us into her wisdom with beautiful poignancy, sharing about how we're shaped and respond to life's surprises, motherhood, growing into our purpose, and embracing change. Tabitha also shares about the alchemical process of making hydrosols, working with distillation and copper. It's a big metaphor for the episode, because Tabitha distills so much care and deep thought into how she navigates life that so many listeners will resonate with. Find TabithaWebsite: https://skinfancy.co/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/skinfancyOther Episodes:Episode 19: Learning to Come Home to Yourself with Lacey JeanEpisode 49: Choosing the Stories We Tell Ourselves with Caroline NelsonEpisode 99: Living the Life You Want with Caroline NelsonEpisode 84: Choosing what to Carry into the Future with Cate HavstadEpisode 45: The Discipline/Pleasure Axis with Alex Rosenberg-RiguttoSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipBest of Movement Focused Episodes:Episode 94: An Ecology of Movement with Katy Bowman Episode 109: We Can Pick Up and Carry Heavy Loads: Exploring Movement in Context with Kate KavanaughEpisode 64: One Foot in Front of the Other with Kate KavanaughEpisode 77: Our Relationship to Resources with Kate KavanaughEpisode 54: Staying Human is the Greatest Skill with Daniel VitalisEpisode 22: Building Strength from the Inside Out with Ashleigh VanHoutenEpisode 2: The Strenuous Life with Ed RobersonSponsored By:REDMOND REAL...

Episode 110. In this conversation, Kate sits down with author Bonnie Tsui to talk about her new book On Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It Matters. This episode explores themes of strength, resilience, and the interplay between the physical and the philosophical. Kate and Bonnie have a wide ranging discussion that spans the metaphor and biology of muscle, how death brings us into the present, and the joy found in movement and play. They touch on how strength is also about what moves us, not just physically, but socially, touching on the importance of collective movement and community resilience. It's an exploration into how physical activities can foster connection and healing. They also delve into the science behind movement, the significance of finding connection in everyday life, and the power of incremental change in personal strength. The conversation concludes with a light-hearted discussion about whales, joy, and the connections we share with nature.Find Bonnie: Instagram: @bonnietsui8WebsiteOn Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It MattersSarah and the Big WaveWhy We SwimAmerican ChinatownSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipBest of Movement Focused Episodes:Episode 94: An Ecology of Movement with Katy Bowman Episode 109: We Can Pick Up and Carry Heavy Loads: Exploring Movement in Context with Kate KavanaughEpisode 64: One Foot in Front of the Other with Kate KavanaughEpisode 77: Our Relationship to Resources with Kate KavanaughEpisode 54: Staying Human is the Greatest Skill with Daniel Vitalis

Episode 109. In this episode, I (Kate Kavanaugh) reflect on my personal journey with movement from a practical and philosophical standpoint all while weaving it into some of the bigger themes that we've been exploring on the podcast around how we move resources to our bodies and how that itself changes our movement. I start out with some historical context of movement and resources, the impact of sedentarism on our bodies, and the concept of shifting baselines in understanding how our bodies work. I share my experience with chronic illness and how movement has been a source of strength and resilience and how I've navigated continuing to move even, and especially, when it feels really hard. This is about the transformative power of physical activity–mentally, physically, and socially. I talk about my movement why–including health, aging, enjoyment, and, yes, even vanity. I talk a little about my home gym, scaling movement, and some tips for making yourself move when it feels hard. It's a lot of fun, it's thoughtful, a little heavy at times, but we can carry the load together!Find Kate: Instagram: @kate_kavanaughSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipResources Mentioned:On Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It Matters by Bonnie TsuiLizette PompaSteph Rose, Phase 6Ben BrunoKara Duval, RangeDr. Susie Spurlock, Supple StrengthBest of Movement Focused Episodes:Episode 94: An Ecology of Movement with Katy Bowman Episode 68: One Foot in Front of the Other with Kate KavanaughEpisode 77: Our Relationship to Resources with Kate KavanaughEpisode 54: Staying Human is the Greatest Skill with Daniel VitalisEpisode 22: Building Strength from the Inside Out with Ashleigh VanHoutenEpisode 2: The Strenuous Life with Ed RobersonSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALT: Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off at

Episode 108. (note: recorded Fall of 2024) This conversation with Alice Driver about her book Life and Death of the American Worker: The Immigrants Taking on America's Largest Meatpacking Company delves into the often unseen and harsh realities faced by workers in the meat industry. The discussion highlights the dangerous working conditions, the isolation and fear perpetrated by meatpacking plant owners, and the challenges workers face in organizing for better labor rights. It also touches on the broader implications of the true cost of food. Find Alice: Life and Death of the American Worker: The immigrants Taking on America's Largest Meatpacking Company by Alice Driver WebsiteBest of Exploring Labor and Working Conditions:Episode 92: NAFTA is in All of Our Bodies with Alyshia GálvezEpisode 90: Sh*t, Shipping, and Blood: Exploring the Ignored and Unseen with Rose GeorgeEpisode 82: Dust: Salvage, Water, and Hope with Jay OwensEpisode 81: The Tapestry of American Manufacturing with Rachel SladeSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time Tip

Episode 107. In this conversation, Kate sits down with Matt Skoglund of North Bridger Bison to have a wide-ranging conversation about agriculture, community, the meaning of work, and what it means to teach about death. Together, they reflect on the complexities of efficiency in food systems, the yearning for simplicity in a complicated world, and the values that guide their lives and work. Matt discusses the importance of pragmatism in environmental work, the need for tangible solutions on the ground and in policy, and the impact of commodity agriculture on communities and how to be more involved. They also explore the role of death in food systems, reflecting on their personal experiences with grief and gratitude. The conversation also touches on the cognitive dissonance surrounding food production and the need for businesses to be resilient and regenerative, ultimately advocating for a deeper connection to the land and the hands that tend it. Find Matt: North Bridger BisonInstagram: @northbridgerbisonResources Mentioned:Let My People Go Surfing by Yvon ChouinardIn Pusuit of the Unknown by Ian StewartBest of Regenerative Agriculture Focused Episodes:Episode 27: Building Resilient Communities with Will Harris of White Oak PasturesEpisode 53: Leaving Our Children Shade with Katie Collins of Force of NatureEpisode 55: Cook Your Way to an Economy of Peace with Cate Havstad-Casad of Range RevolutionEpisode 74: The Gravity of Risk and the Potential of Opportunity with Robby Sansom of Force of NatureEpisode 75: Building an Agriculture We Can Live in with Cole Mannix of Old SaltSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!Redmond.lifeAffiliates:FIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps....

Episode 106: In this conversation, Kate Kavanaugh and Kurt Gray--whose book, ‘Outraged!: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics' is out today--explore the themes of human nature, exploring the idea of humans as prey animals and how this evolutionary bent shapes our understanding of threats in modern society. It's an episode about how we view harm and threat in a modern social media era, how much divisiveness this has fostered, and how we might have conversations that bridge those divides. In it, they discuss the importance of storytelling in bridging divides and fostering empathy, as well as the vulnerability paradox that arises when trying to connect with others who hold differing views. They also explore Kurt's CIV framework (Connect, Invite, Validate) as a method for fostering meaningful dialogue. It's also a conversation about how much humans like going deep with one another–even if they think they don't. Last, and certainly not least, they ponder paradox themselves, and why humans might be prone to more binary thinking from an evolutionary standpoint. Find Kurt: Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics The Mind Club: Who Thinks, What Feels and Why It MattersOutraged! Book GuidesCenter for the Science of Moral UnderstandingInstagram: @kurtjgrayX: @kurtjgrayResources Mentioned:John Sarrouf / What is Essential Guide for talking politicsKurt and Ben Klutzy Interview for DiscourseSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!Redmond.lifeAffiliates:FIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time...

Episode 105: In this conversation, Kate sits down with author and entrepreneur Paul Hawken ti explore the multifaceted role of carbon in life and talk about his new book, ‘Carbon: the Book of Life'. It's an episode challenging the conventional narrative that reduces carbon to an errant molecule within the atmosphere and connects it back to the molecule that flows through 99% of all substances on earth. Paul and Kate discuss the importance of recognizing the complexity and interconnectedness of life–encouraging a shift from reductionist thinking to a more holistic understanding of our relationship with the environment, advocating for transformative actions rooted in compassion and connection while recognizing humanity's role. They also discuss the power of language, the potential of possibility, and some of the incredible innovations we're embarking on. This is an episode for the curious!Find Paul: Carbon: the Book of Life by Paul HawkenRegeneration by Paul HawkenDrawdown by Paul HawkenBlessed Unrest by Paul HawkenInstagram: @paulhawkenWebsiteResources Mentioned:Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are? by Frans de WaalThe Master and His Emissary by Iain McGilchrist Related Episodes:Episode 67 with Dan Egan on Phosphorous Episode 87 with Ferris Jabr on Earth's InterconnectionsEpisode 76 with Melanie Challenger on the Human AnimalEpisode 58 with Fred Provenza on Embracing the Unknown and AweEpisode 72 with Ben Goldfarb on Circular EconomiesSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaugh

Episode 104. In this episode, Kate sits down with author Will Bardenwerper to talk about baseball. Now, before you think this doesn't tie in to some of the major themes we've been exploring on the podcast—think again. Will's new book ‘Homestand: Small Town Baseball and the Fight for the Soul of America' is a love letter to small towns, communities, and coming together to build friendship and camaraderie across generations, political ideologies, and classes in “third places” like small town baseball stadiums. Will lays out what is happening to minor league baseball and the small towns that have housed teams for decades as private equity firms gobble them up, what happens when AI takes over scouting, and when concessions are just a click away on an iPhone. Kate and Will tug at themes around community, efficiency, and loneliness. This story of consolidation and small town triumph will be familiar to listeners who have found similar themes across agriculture, manufacturing, and so much more. Find Will: Homestand: Small Town Baseball and the Fight for the Soul of America by Will BardenwerperInstagram: @willbardenwerperX: @wbardenwerperWebsiteResources Mentioned:Bowling Alone by Robert PutnamFront Porch Republic Related Episodes:Episode 75: Building an Agriculture We Can Live In with Cole MannixEpisode 88: Weaving a New Vision for American Manufacturing and Small Town Resilience with Steven KurutzEpisode 96: The Complexity of Simplicity with Jill WingerSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:

Episode 103. In this episode of the podcast, Kate sits down with author Chloe Dalton to discuss her memoir Raising Hare. Chloe is a political speechwriter and advisor who during the pandemic finds herself caring for a hare in the English countryside. In rich and textured detail, Chloe shares her transformative relationship with the hare. The episode touches on themes around domestication, freedom, intimacy, and wonder and what it might mean to be of place throughout the candid conversation. Chloe and Kate explore the intimate relationships between humans and the human animal. Chloe brings a stunning sense of wonder and awe, tugging at how nature welcomes us however, and whenever, we come to it. Find Chloe (and the hare): Raising Hare, a Memoir by Chloe DaltonInstagram: @chloedaltonukWebsiteRelated Episodes:Episode 76: How to Be Animal with Melanie ChallengerEpisode 56: Becoming Edible with Andreas WeberSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

Episode 102. In this episode, Kate sits down with Mary-Frances O'Connor to talk about her new book The Grieving Body (a follow up to the Grieving Brain). This is an episode for anyone to deepen their understanding and literacy of grief—grievers, grief supporters, caregivers. In the episode, they talk about attachment and what it is to form an “us” and the some of the science behind love and bonding before diving into the deep emotional and physiological impacts of grief and understanding and normalizing the grieving process. At the heart of the episode is a discussion about the role of community in grief and loneliness and how we might support those around us that are grieving. Find Mary-Frances: The Grieving Body: How the Stress of Loss Can Be an Opportunity for HealingThe Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn From Love and Loss Instagram: @doctormfoconnorWebsiteOther Episodes on Grief:Embracing the Darkness with Francis WellerBringing Death Home with Heidi Boucher Sponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

Episode 101: In this episode, I reflect on my journey over the past three years of podcasting, It's about being a human in process. It's about taking moments to let ourselves be fallow, to stop along the journey, lay out a blanket, and watch the clouds go by. I also discuss a concept I've been exploring for myself where “Ease = Effort + Flow” and how a little friction and push in life can give us the active ease we've been seeking. Ultimately, it's about the interconnectedness of existence and what it might mean to embrace aliveness and fun. It's short and sweet and I honestly have no idea what I'm doing in these solo episodes. Find Kate: Instagram: @kate_kavanaughLinked InSubstackSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off.

100 episodes. Countless hours (over 220 hours). An immense amount of gratitude for you—dear listener. In this episode, I share 13 lessons from the last 100 episodes and my excitement for the next 100 episodes. Themes across the lessons include curiosity, adaptability, persistence, managing our dreams, enoughness, embracing our multifaceted nature, and how deeply shared this human experience is. It's a vulnerable episode and while not prescriptive advice, I hope that openly sharing what this journey has taught me has some resonance with you in your journey. Thank you for listening. Looking forward to the next 100 episodes with you. Sponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

Caroline Nelson is living into the life she wants. A lot has happened since we last talked to Caroline a year and a half ago, she opened Little Creek Feed, her meat business got bigger, so did Cowgirl Camp, and somewhere in the midst of all that she became a mother. This is an episode in equal parts the gravity of pausing to ask yourself where you are in your life and how you can live into the life you want and the levity of Caroline and I laughing our way through a conversation that includes a lot of the “real real”. We talk about phone addictions, surrender, finding agency for your health, discipline and willpower. Caroline also candidly shares her journey into matrescence and what the last 6 or so months have been like with businesses and a baby. We also talk about the messiness of building community and the outsize impact it can have if we just surrender. All of that and a lot more can be found in this fun romp with Caroline. Find Caroline: Instagram: @bigskycarolineTikTok: @bigskycarolineLittle CreekFirst Episode with CarolineSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

As Winter Solstice nears, this conversation is about the transformative power of darkness, about going into our grief, and building community to hold us. In this conversation, Francis Weller joins Kate to explore the profound importance of community and connection in human life. They discuss the pervasive sense of isolation and individualism in modern society, the various forms of grief that arise from that disconnection, and the need for a return to communal practice and love. Francis reminds us that we have forgotten and numbed ourselves – amnesia and anesthesia – but highlighting the healing potential found in nature, the darkness, and one another. Inside is a call to reimagine our relationships with each other and the world around us, advocating for a deeper understanding of our interconnectedness. Francis' work on grief is seminal and in this, he highlights grief's alchemical nature. It's also a conversation about the importance of rituals, the necessity of creating spaces of belonging, and the interconnectedness of grief and joy. Find Francis: The Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis WellerCoursesWorkshopsSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

In this episode I sit down with Vince Beiser, whose book Power Metal: The Race for the Resources that Will Shape The Future is an incredible follow up to his book Sand: the World in a Grain. When we last caught up with Vince we plumbed the depths of sand and how, while largely unseen, it is one of the major resources our world is built on. In this conversation, Vince and I explore more unseen resources our world is increasingly dependent on: the critical metals that are powering our energy transition. We talk about how everything has a cost, about how the electro digital age, while feeling post-material, is anything but. We touch a little on the materials used in this energy transition. We have a complex conversation around reshoring mining and exploring if where we might mine next is here at home. And then we talk about recycling, repair, and real tangible solutions to what might happen next. Find Vince: Instagram: @vince.beiserSubstackX: @vincebeiserPower Metal: The Race for the Resources that Will Shape The FutureSand: the World in a GrainResources Mentioned: Washington Post on Data CentersNYT Op-Ed on Reshoring MiningThea Riofrancos on Novara FMFight to Repair NewsletterSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRONUSA made cast iron. Light, thin bottomed, and smooth - just like vintage cast iron. My go to for everything from small skillets to big dutch ovens. fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEARBarefoot, zero-drop, gorgeous running shoes, sandals, and hiking boots that are grounded. Meaning you can reap all the benefits of the electron flow from earth to your body while you're getting in your steps. Use the code ‘Kate10' for 10% off. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:

This is a salty conversation and it's also the kind of conversation that cracks you wide open. I sit down with Jill Winger - not to discuss her incredible work with Old-Fashioned on Purpose, her courses, her planner, or her book which are all amazing - but to talk about her life philosophies, our shared hot takes, and to lean into our complexity as humans. We explore the complexities of modern communication, the importance of intentional living, and the challenges of building community in a polarized society. We talk about being reflexive contrarians and sometimes needing to go to an extreme to bounce back to some nuance. We discuss the value of discomfort in personal growth as much as we talk about when and how to choose ease, the balance between generalism and specialization, and the necessity of real human connection in an increasingly digital world. We explore choosing when we need to choose discomfort (often!) but also when we need to choose ease. All around, about holding the tension between modern and old-fashioned ways of living, and just holding the tension between so many paradoxical qualities of ourselves and our lives. Find Jill: Instagram: @jill.wingerWebsiteYoutube2025 Old Fashioned On Purpose PlannerMeal CraftOld-Fashioned on Purpose: Cultivating a Slower, More Joyful LifeResources Mentioned: Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age by Sherry Turkle Essentialism by Greg McKeownMolecule of More by Daniel Lieberman, MD and Michael E. Long10x is Easier Than 2x by Dan SullivanHope for Cynics by Jamil ZakiSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.com

WHOOEE. Brock Dolman, folks, in this episode is weaving together all sorts of things previously explored on the podcast in a new (old) and incredibly articulate way. This podcast is about water cycles, beavers, fire, sand, geology, the oceans, a living earth, and so much more. Brock is a conservation ecologist and a specialized generalist over at the Occidental Arts and Ecology Center. He's also, in his own right, a linguist and an incredible waeaver of words. We explore the nouns and verbs of earth as energy flows, matter cycles, and life webs. This episode is a catch all - and at the heart of it, is a message about how to build lasting community. Find Brock Dolman:Occidental Arts and Ecology CenterWater and Fire VideoThe Universe is a Green Dragon: A Cosmic Creation Story by Brian SwimmeBiomimicry: Innovation Inspired by Nature by Janine BenyusCreating a Life Together: Practical Tools to Grow Ecovillages and Intentional Communities by Diana Leafe ChristianThe End of Growth By Richard HeinbergThe Ghost Forest by Greg King Eager by Ben GoldfarbBeaver Land by Leila PhilipTree Crops by J. Russell SmithPicture of subsidence san Joaquin valley of telephone pole Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall KimmererThinking in Systems by Donella MeadowsBlessed Unrest by Paul Hawken AC/DC: The Savage Tale of the First Standards WarSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.life

In this episode, I sit down with Katy Bowman. First, a long on-ramp to the episode where I talk about where some of Katy's work dovetails with explorations of how we move resources to our bodies (when we used to move our bodies to resources) that we've been exploring on the podcast. Katy and I then dive into the ecology of movement, movement diets, finding your movement why, and how you might consider stacking community into movement. Find Katy Bowman:My Perfect Movement Plan: The Move Your DNA All Day WorkbookMovement Matters: Essays on Movement Science, Movement Ecology, and the Nature of MovementInstagram: @nutritiousmovementWebsiteSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

In this episode of the podcast I sit down with John Perlin, whose book A Forest Journey: The Role of Trees in the Fate of Civilization explores the history of, well, of us. As you'll hear in this episode the history of humans is inextricably intertwined, or made possible, with the history of trees and of wood. Wood is our materia prima, the foundational material of both our ecology on earth and the civilizations we have built. We explore the cycles of humanity and their relationship with wood throughout the last million years, touching on the Stone Age (which is really the wood age), Rome and Greece, the American revolution, the Industrial revolution, containerization and the green revolution, and the present. John's book offers us a mirror to see our activities and how the stories we tell ourselves are ones we've been telling ourselves over and over again.Find John Perlin:A Forest Journey: The Role of Trees in the Fate of CivilizationLet It Shine: The 6,000-Year Story of Solar EnergyWebsiteSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

In this episode, I sit down with anthropologist Alyshia Gálvez to talk about her book Eating NAFTA. The conversation is from two people who came to economic policy through unlikely means, but as Alyshia explains, economic policy in general, and NAFTA in particular - on its 30 year anniversary, has become a part of all of our bodies whether we're aware of it or not. Alyshia's work is incredible at connecting dots that aren't often seen in economics - its about people, landscapes, and cultures and how they are affected by policy that favors corporations. We explore ideas of efficiency, and how the standard definition is anything but, of consumption, and the paradoxes that arise when looking at people, food, and policy. We look at corn as a material that drives our world through corn products and how landrace corn varietals have been lost to the people that first cultivated them. We also look at the health effects of policy, both here in the US, and in Mexico. Alyshia comes with a big message: if you, like us, feel like you're a stranger to economic policy or that you can't change it, perhaps you can and it matters now more than ever. Find Alyshia Gálvez:Eating NAFTA: Trade, Food Policies and the Destruction of MexicoPatient Citizens, Immigrant MothersX: @alyshiagalvezWebsite Sponsored By:SUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

In this week's episode, I sit down with geologist Marcia Bjornerud to talk about her new book Turning to Stone: Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of Rocks and to explore how we can gain a sense of feeling embedded in the time and space of Earth, as earthlings. We explore the mentorship rocks have to offer us and putting the story of Earth as a dynamic planet front and center. We talk about how learning about process, not just end product, through the lens of geology, can give us a sense of empathy and story that mirrors our own inner experiences on Earth. It's also about the paradoxical qualities of geology, the vetoing of the term ‘Anthropocene' in the geologic community and why it matters, and what it means to look at the future through the lens of the past. This episode is about putting Earth in the foreground, not as a backdrop for our human endeavors, but as a living and active system. Marcia is excellent at being a translator for the Earth and her books and way of speaking both illuminate Earth in an intriguing and dynamic way. Find Marcia Bjornerud:Turning to Stone: Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of RocksTimefulness: How Thinking Like a Geologist Can Help Save the WorldReading the Rocks: The Autobiography of EarthGeopedia: A Brief Compendium of Geologic CuriositiesResources Mentioned: In the Weeds Interview with Marcia (Part 1 and Part 2)Sponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

Rose George is the author of four fantastic books (Nine Pints, Ninety Percent of Everything, the Big Necessity, and a Life Removed) that share a common theme: much of her work is about seeing the unseen. It's about those things that are ubiquitous and unnoticed, or more likely, obfuscated from us. In this episode, we focus on human waste, the shipping industry, and blood. Much of our conversation is about how we begin to see the waters we swim in, stop sanitizing our language to further obscure things, and use our awareness to create changes large and small. It's about breaking down taboos and letting individual stories of tragedy and triumph bring us into issues that matter. It's also a little bit about the shipping industry and how 90% of our goods get to us, how toilets can transform lives, and how period products can dramatically improve the lives of girls. Find Rose George:Nine Pints: A Journey Through the Money, Medicine, and Mysteries of BloodNinety Percent of Everything: Inside Shipping, the Invisible Industry That Puts Clothes on Your Back, Gas in Your Car, and Food on Your PlateThe Big Necessity: The Unmentionable World of Human Waste and Why It MattersA Life RemovedRose's SubtackOn XResources Mentioned: Surfer's Against SewageMonterrey Bay Fish GuideSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

Mariele Ivy is an artist. Known for her work in making jewelry and in lapidary, she is also a ceramicist, a maker of talismans and sacraments. In this episode, Kate sits down with Mariele Ivy from Young In the Mountains to talk about what it means to be an artist and to work with things of the earth. We talk about Mariele's dedication to her supply chain - to fair trade gold, American mined inlay stones, American mined sapphires, and recycled diamonds and we talk about how she extends that care to every aspect of her business. This episode is about earth's processes and artistic processes both - about how we can make our inner feelings tangible. It's also about what distraction, inspiration, and contentment mean in the creative process, about how working with your hands can change your mind, and about those things in us that are most ancient. Mariele is a delight and you'll love her work and words both. Sponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comFind Mariele:Young In the MountainsInstagram: @younginthemountainsResources Mentioned: The Covenant of Water by Abraham VergheseEat Like a Human by Dr. Bill SchindlerSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagram: @kate_kavanaughemail: kate@groundworkcollective.com

Steven Kurutz grew up in a town of 1500 people in the mountains of Pennsylvania. It was a formative rural experience. He set pins at a local bowling alley. He frequented the town library. It's where he learned to love books, writing, and the characters of small town America - including the towns themselves. He puts all of that to practice in his new book ‘American Flannel: How a Band of Entrepreneurs are Bringing the Art and Business of Making Clothes Back Home'. Steven and Kate sit down to talk about the tension between urban and rural environments. To talk about how the last 50 years of economic policy has changed small towns, fashion, and what quality means. We talk about the clothing brands American Giant and Zkano socks and what they're doing to bring manufacturing back to America while making beautiful and quality goods that are as economically accessible as possible and the grit and determination (and relationships) it takes to do just that. Find Steven: American Flannel: How A Band of Entrepreneurs are Bringing the Art and Business of Making Clothes Back Home by Steven KurutzX: @skurutzNYT WorkSelected Other Pieces:On Small Town LibrariesOn Being a Pin BoyResources Mentioned:American GiantZkano SocksSponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!Redmond.lifeSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time Tip

In this episode, Kate sits down with author Ferris Jabr, whose book Becoming Earth: How Our Planet Came to Life comes out on June 25th. Ferris' love of other animals and plants started at an early age and that fascination has grown into an incredible career as a journalist, exploring the perspective of ecosystems, animals, and the earth itself. Beginning with his garden in Portland, Kate and Ferris span out into the garden of earth itself and the way life creates the conditions for its own existence. From the young ages of the earth and the reciprocal processes between bacteria and our atmosphere, they explore some of the salient cycles that bend chronological time and minds alike. Plankton, and their jaw-dropping role in earth, become a vehicle for talking about how Saharan Africa fertilizes the Amazon which causes rain in the midwest. They discuss how throughout earth's timescale, complexity grows and with it, the complexity of the relationships between life and environment and earth. They also explore the human animal's role on earth and its cycles and what it might mean to tell ourselves a new story. An excellent episode to explore complexity, cooperation, mutuality, and beauty. Sponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipFind Ferris:Becoming Earth: How Our Planet Came to Life X: @ferrisjabr Instagram: @ferrisjabrFerris' ArticlesThe Story of StorytellingHow Beauty is Making Scientists Rethink EvolutionResources Mentioned: An Immense World by Ed YongThe Ends of the World by Peter BrannenHow to Be Animal by Melanie Challenger

In this episode, Kate sits down with author and co-host of the Gastropod Podcast, Nicola Twilley, to talk about her new book Frostbite: How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves. Nicola has written an absolute page-turner exploring the massive and far-reaching impacts of refrigeration on just about every aspect of our lives, not since the dawn of agriculture has something changed our world so radically. In this episode, her and Kate explore the domestication of cold - which, very much unlike fire - is a recent phenomenon. The cold chain is new - not even 150 years old - and its impacts on our health and the environment, on biodiversity and flavor, are big. It's a technology that can slow time, delay death, and shift our geography. It has led to the marketing of an apple by an astronaut, the reinvention of the tomato many times over, and so much more. We talk about biodiversity loss, death, and also how we might re-imagine the cold chain in light of the global cold rush. This is an episode not to be missed and a book you won't be able to put down!Sponsored By:REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipFind Nicola:Frostbite: How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves (out June 25th)GastropodInstagram: @nicolatwilleyX: @nicolatwilleyConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.com

In this episode of the Ground Work podcast, Kate sits down with author John Vaillant to begin to tease out some of the themes of his 4 incredible books, 3 works of non-fiction, and one work of fiction. At the recording, John had just been awarded as a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World. John and Kate talk about what it means to consume, how we as human animals interact with our environments and resources, and about how we reconcile the cognitive dissonance we experience born into the Petrocene age. It's about the multi-dimensional reckoning we're in right now, as human and geologic time scales merge, and we are thrust into an acceleration of everything we know. A lot of this interview comes down to a sense of urgency many of us are feeling and this one fact: what happens next is not inevitable. John also shares some about his process as a writer and what it means to tell stories at this moment in time. REDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipResources Mentioned: Sailing Alone Around the Room by Billy Collins Find John:X: @JohnVaillantFire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter WorldThe Golden Spruce: A True Story of Myth, Madness, and GreedThe Tiger: A True Story of Vengeance and SurvivalThe Jaguar's Children: A Novel Connect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.com

Cate Havstad-Casad is leading the revolution in supply chains that nourish communities, ecosystems, and so much more with her regenerative leather company Range Revolution. In this episode, Cate breaks down what it means to re-build and repair the hide to leather supply chain from regenerative ranches, build a regenerative business, and implore capital and funders to think regeneratively, too. We talk about natural fibers vs the petroleum based fibers we've grown accustomed to and what it might mean to change our minds about fashion into something that is both lasting and well-made to stand the test of time and will degrade again when we give it back to the earth. It's about using what's here - taking something, like animal hides, that are being thrown away and incinerated and building a business around them. It's also about taking what we've inherited and re-imagining it, knowing that we're at a tipping point. We may not know if we'll reap what we're sowing, but we must keep growing towards a future for our children. It's also about play, contentment, and friendship. Check out Range Revolution BagsSPONSORED BYREDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.lifeSUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipFind Cate: Listen to Keep on Growing by Nicki BluhmCheck out Range Revolution BagsFind Range Revolution: @rangerevolutionFind Cate: @havstadhatcoResources Mentioned:Fibers FundMAD Agriculture

HELEN CZERSKI is a physicist with a background in bubbles and experimental explosives. Her books The Blue Machine: How the Ocean Works and Storm in a Teacup: The Physics of Everyday Life are incredible explorations of looking at the processes of how things that we often don't truly see in our daily lives are deeply affecting us. In this episode, we tease at some bigger themes around how to ask questions and leverage our own curiosity, what it means to find perspective, and how we might begin as a culture to look at our participation in the interconnected web of life with a different lens. We also touch on the ocean engine and how it's time to ask ourselves what the blue in this “blue marble” really means and look at it in depth. This conversation barely touches the tip of the iceberg of Helen's work, but hopefully it will serve as a door of curiosity for you to explore her books on your own. Helen shares insights on the importance of curiosity, the humility needed to understand natural processes, and the vital role of the ocean in history, culture, geology, ecology, and the nutrient cycles of this world. SPONSORED BYREDMOND REAL SALTMine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.life SUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipFind Helen:The Blue Machine: How the Ocean WorksStorm in a Teacup: The Physics of Everyday LifeBubblesRare Earth Podcast/Radio ShowInstagram: @helen_czerskiX: @helenczerskiResources Mentioned:Wasteland by Oliver Franklin WallisThe Curious Mr. FeynmanCosmic Shambles

In this episode, Kate sits down with author Jay Owens to talk about her book Dust: The Modern World in a Trillion Particles. Together, they unravel the paradoxes and challenges posed by dust - a small particle that makes a big impact throughout history. Discover how dust connects the Sahara to the Amazon, influences snowmelt, and carries historical significance, embodying both awe and horror. Dust underpins everything - it is, as Jay says, “a boundary crosser, a transgressor” and makes itself known in ice cores, the aftermath of the atomic bomb, in the drying up of bodies of water, and the pollution from our highways. It is the mark of the modern world and our incalculable impact on it. It underlines our interconnectedness and highlights the uncertainty about what happens next. This is also a call to salvage, to look at the externalities, and embrace hope at a local level. SPONSORED BY SUNDRIES FARM GARLICHand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipFind Jay:Dust: The Modern World in a Trillion ParticlesInstagram: @hautepopX: @hautepopOther WritingResources Mentioned:Ways of Being by James BridleHow Infrastructure Works by Deb Chachra The Shepherd's Life by James RebanksAlso Check Out These Episodes:Infrastructure with Deb ChachraWater with Heather Hansman Current Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH

In this episode, Kate sits down with author and journalist Rachel Slade to discuss her books Making It In America: The Almost Impossible Quest to Manufacture in the USA (and How It Got That Way) and Into the Raging Sea: Thirty-Three Mariners, One Megastore, and the Sinking of El Faro. Rachel's books are incredible explorations of humanity and she deftly weaves together complex threads. We focus on Making It In America in the episode. The book is so much about where trade, manufacturing, farming, immigration, the textile industry, unions, and the history of the hoodie itself meet. We start by exploring how manufacturing made America and touching on the complex series of events that led to the offshoring of the majority of American manufacturing after NAFTA. This episode is about grit and determination and a commitment to vision by American Roots, the hoodie company featured in the book, and what entrepreneurship means and what it might mean to manufacture in America once again. It's a wide-ranging conversation about history, geopolotics, economics and the externalities of focusing solely on the bottom line. It's about building and re-building community and networks of support and it's about what it means for us, as humans, to make things by hand. We also talk about;Men's mental healthSupply chainsFind Rachel:Making It in AmericaInto the Raging SeaArticles + EssaysInstagram: @rachelmsladeMade in USA BrandsResources Mentioned:Fields of Gold by Madeleine Fairbairn: 90% of Everything by Rose GeorgeEating Nafta Rachel on the Julian Dorey Podcast: Melanie Challenger's On ExtinctionAlso Check Out Episodes-Kate's Solo on Resources-Melanie Challenger

In this week's episode Kate sits down with the lovely, the ineffable, the effervescent May Lindstrom. Together they explore themes of grace, slowness, and the intricate dance between our inner and outer worlds. May shares many of her incredible stories and laces throughout them a call to live a life full of compassion and love and a cherishing of the everyday. She invites us to think about how we connect to ourselves and to nature, about what it might mean to grow old while integrating the perspectives of ourselves when we were younger, and to follow a north star of love. Throughout is a conversation about what it means to have a body that is bodying - whether that's your body, a worm body, or to imagine all the other bodies that surround us. She also dives into frontloading pleasure, making a mess, and building something you really believe in. May's words and wisdom shine in this episode that is really about coming home to yourself. Find May:May Lindstrom SkinInstagram: @maylindstromskinIf you loved this episode:With Caroline Nelson With Lacey Jean Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face Food

In this episode, materials scientist and engineering professor Deb Chachra shares about infrastructure. Her book ‘How Infrastructure Works: Inside the Systems that Shape Our World' is a multi-layered dive into infrastructure. In this episode, Deb and Kate explore ideas of how we move resources to bodies and waste away from bodies. It is a brief exploration of the rise of globalization and our telecommunications, physical infrastructure, and roads, but it is also an exploration of how access to energy is also access to agency. In it, the concept of ‘away' is explored - whether it's the away that we send our waste or the away from which we extract resources using human labor and the complexities of infrastructure's harms and benefits. It's also a re-imagining of what the future could look like, which Deb reminds us “is not inevitable” and how we can ask ourselves questions about our values and how we might shape the our care for people now and in the future. Infrastructure is a big and complex subject and Deb's book deftly explores it. This episode is a small peek into her work. Find Deb:How Infrastructure Works: Inside the Systems That Shape Our World by Deb ChachraMetafoundry NewsletterX: @debchaInstagram: @debchaBooks Mentioned:Crossings by Ben GoldfarbDo Artifacts Have Politics? By Langdon WinnerThe Power Broker by Robert Moses Golden Gulag by Ruth Wilson GilmoreOther Episodes of Interest:With Ben GoldfarbSolo on InfrastructureSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face Food

Sand. It's everywhere and it's foundational to the built and digital worlds, yet we rarely see or think about it. Vince Beiser's the World in a Grain tells the story of sand as it makes its way into the materials that make up our world: concrete, glass, silicon chips, and beyond. In this episode of the podcast, we explore some of the broader implications of sand - what it means to build worlds, how to grapple with the largesse of sand's impact as we run out of this critical resource, and what, if anything, we can change in our relationship to sand. It's about infrastructure, but it's also about our relationship to infrastructure and how often the use of more resources begets the use of… more resources. We dive a little into the magic of sand, not just to house and transport us, but also the creation of the lens and how sand allows us to see things really small, really far away, and also really everyday - through glasses. We also talk about time, which sand is a measurement for and also a manifestation of, with the average grain of sand created over 200 million years. This is a conversation that will change the way you see and relate to your world. Find Vince:World in a Grain: the Story of Sand and How It Transformed CivilizationPower Metal NewsletterX: @VinceBeiserWebsiteBooks Mentioned:Crossings and Eager by Ben GoldfarbNinety Percent of Everything with Rose GeorgeOther Episodes of Interest:With Ben GoldfarbSolo on InfrastructureSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face Food

Our relationship to resources shapes the world. Our food, our clothing, our devices, our building materials and the infrastructure that underpins moving them from place to place. On this podcast, we've explored a lot around food as a resource - its impact on land and human health and some of the inputs and externalities of our food system. Now, I'd like to take a turn to explore some other resources and the ubiquitous, yet unseen, infrastructure that moves them to us and our waste products away from us. Coming episodes will be filled with this exploration and so I want to give us a little primer on why this became so interesting to me and why it matters. Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face Food

In this episode of the podcast, Kate sits down with author and poet Melanie Challenger to discuss her two books How to Be Animal and On Extinction. Melanie also hosted the beautiful podcast ‘Psychosphere' exploring the minds of animals outside of the human animal. This episode explores our disconnection with nature and how it begins in childhood and how it might separate us from the truth that we, as humans, are also animals. It explores what it might mean to come home to the realization that we are animals. Death, mortality, and grief and their roles in our animal bodies are explored as is our human superpower ability to love. This is big episode with a lot of beautiful explorations into what it really means to be human. Find Melanie:How to Be Animal by Melanie ChallengerOn Extinction by Melanie ChallengerGalatea by Melanie ChallengerResources Mentioned:Animals in the RoomSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face Food

In this episode, I (Kate Kavanaugh) sit down with Cole Mannix of Old Salt Co-Op to talk about vertically integrating the agriculture of the middle with systems that are built to serve ranchers and consumers alike. Cole talks about his innovative business (and funding) structure, the upcoming Old Salt Festival in Helmville, Montana in June (I went last year and spoiler alert: it's amazing) and the business they're building to serve a regional food system. At least, those were all the topics that brought us to the table to talk. But what came out was something a bit different - it was about what it means to live a good life and a good death, about how limits can give us surprising freedom, and what it means to build a business that you can truly live in. This episode is about taking risks and dreaming really big dreams, really digging into what it means to build bridges and communities, and about what we might leave our children. Cole, with a varied background in biology, philosophy, and theology who grew up on the Mannix Family Ranch, had a lot to say, and to be honest, I just sat and listened. Find Cole and Old Salt:Old Salt Festival InstagramOld Salt Coop InstagramOld Salt Outpost InstagramOld Salt Co-Op Festival Early Bird TicketsOld Salt Co-OpOld Salt Producer Webinars

Robby Sansom is one of the founders of Force of Nature Meats and has a mind for marrying the qualitative with the quantitative. In this episode, Robby and Kate explore what it means to build sustainable business models, try to make really massive numbers a little bit more tangible, and speak candidly about the meat industry. It's an episode that explores candidly everything about the tight-margined meat business, competition between smaller and larger shareholders within the industry, and what it might mean to have a triple bottom line of people, profit, and planet. Find Robby:Instagram: @forceofnaturemeatsWhat Good Shall I Do Conference (April 19+20)Episode with Katie Forrest from FoNResources Mentioned:The Tracker by Tom BrownSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face Food

Lily Nichols returns to the podcast to discuss what it means to optimize for fertility - and for vitality. This episode is for everyone: men, women, people trying to conceive and not! Lily's new book “Real Food for Fertility,” centers on how whole foods can enhance fertility. The book is backed by extensive research with over 2,500 citations and comes recommended for those looking to improve their health. In the episode, Kate and Lily draw attention to the similarities between soil, animal, and human health, as well as the negative effects of modern living that underscore the critical role of preconception health. Tune in for a discussion that includes explorations on egg/sperm quality, menstruation as a vital sign, amino acids, vegetarian diets in pregnancy, micronutrient balance, and more! Find Lily:Instagram: @lilynicholrdnFirst Episode with LilyReal Food for FertilityReal Food for Pregnancy Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comIrene Lyon's SmartBody SmartMind Program (Feb 13-Feb22nd): Sign Up HereCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face FoodMINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off Redmond Real Salt

In this episode, Kate sits down with author Ben Goldfarb to discuss the profound effects of beavers and humans on ecosystems, particularly through the construction of roads and habitats. Ben Goldfarb is the author of Crossings: How Road Ecology is Shaping the Future of Our Planet and Eager: The Surprising, Secret Life of Beavers and Why They Matter. In this episode we explore a world filled with paradox, interconnectedness, and circularity. It's a dialogue about the differences, and similarities, in how beavers and humans approach world building that uncovers thoughts on our built vs natural worlds and the implications for the future, the environment, and our communities. Ben shares some about the history of roads and how they bring us both closer to and further away from nature and from one another. Simultaneously, we explore how roads tend to beget more roads, just like how beaver dams tend to beget a more interconnected ecology. This is a big conversation, a fantastic interview that spans topics large and small to give listeners an idea of how we might build a better path forward. Find Ben:X (formerly Twitter): @ben_a_goldfarbCrossings: How Road Ecology is Shaping the Future of Our PlanetEager: The Suprising, Secret Life of Beavers and Why They MatterSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face FoodMINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off Redmond Real Salt

In this episode, Kate sits down with Dr. Julia Skinner to discuss all manner of things, as it tends to be when two generalists sit down together. Julia's work is multi-disciplinary, weaving together threads of her interests into a celebration of creative practice, fermentation, food history, the history of libraries, and beyond. The conversation explores the cultivation of both process and practice for creatives and how it can be made tactile in the art of fermentation. Julia, a writing and creative coach, shares what it takes to make a container for transformation of self, or cabbage, or community, or your creative goals and how play and celebration can facilitate and deepen that practice. We also discuss some of the structures and stories we're told from society and culture about creative practice (amongst other things) and how we might begin to reframe and dismantle them into something that is joyful. It is also about doing away with the idea of failure altogether, if not for ourselves, than for the sake of the community we're collaborating with. At it's heart, this about transformation, process, and cultivation and is the perfect antidote to hustle culture's idea of goals. We also talk about:Somatic Experiencing and EmbodimentCreating FermentsFind Julia:Email: Julia@root-kitchens.com Instagram: @yourrootsandbranches, @bookishjulia, @rootkitchensRoots + Branches Our Fermented LivesOracle DeckBooks Mentioned:Range by David EpsteinThe Art of Fermentation by Sandor KatzSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face FoodMINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off Redmond Real Salt

Scott Carney makes his second appearance on the podcast to talk about his new book Dream: the Art and Science of Slumber. It's a deliciously short book that reframes sleep. It's a little bit science and a little bit art and it manages to quote Jurassic Park once, so it's a big win. In this episode, Scott and I chase some rabbits around ideas related to sleep. Have we couched sleep in the language of economic productivity and forgotten what it is to dream? Does our sleep distill our life into emotions and do those exist to form the basis of our memories and who we are in waking life? What does the spectrum between sleep and wake say about our consciousness? We also touch in on Scott's dreams of anacondas and what a rumen does anyway. This is a podcast that gives you, amongst many things, permission to dream. Find Scott:Scott's Most Recent Book: Dream: the Art and Science of SlumberScott's YouTubeScott's Instagram: @sgcarneyScott's Other BooksPrevious MBS Episode with ScottBooks Mentioned:the Experience Machine by Andy ClarkSaving Time by Jenny OdellNow by Richard MullerEinstein's Dreams by Alan LightmanYoga Nidra by Kamini Desai Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipConnect with Kate:Instagramemail: kate@groundworkcollective.comCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGHKateK20 for 20% off Herbal Face FoodMINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off Redmond Real Salt

In this solo episode, Kate dives into those spaces that are neither here nor there, the "in betweens", exploring the idea that when we set goals now (point a) for a place in the future (point b), the real gift is the process that unfolds in between. With that in mind, Kate explores the tension between not wanting to fall into the hustle and productivity-driven culture of goal setting but also enjoying, frankly, the process of evaluation and setting goals. This is also an exploration of Type 2 fun, that space between not enjoying something in the moment and enjoying it immensely looking back on it. There are some notes on words and how naming something can guide us and a little invitation for the new year and how to get on a waitlist for Kate's latest offering. This is a fun and relatively short episode. Find Kate:Subscribe to the Mind, Body, and Soil PodcastInstagramResources:Crown Shyness MBS episode with Ed RobersonMBS episode with Erin Pata MBS episode with Anthony GustinSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH

In this episode Kate is joined by author Rebecca Clarren to explore her book Cost of Free Land; Jews, Lakota, and an American Inheritance. The Cost of Free Land explores an entwined history; one of Rebecca's Jewish ancestors and their land in South Dakota and the Lakota that had been forced off that land by the US government. In the podcast, Rebecca explores the profound role of storytelling and history in shaping cultural narratives across different communities within the broader tapestry of history in America - touching on both the stories passed down through her family and the stories she uncovers through the course of the book in speaking with members of the Lakota Nation and uncovering history. They discuss the importance of the stories that are told and those that remain untold, considering their lasting impact on future generations and how personal and cultural narratives intertwine to inform our understanding of the present. Throughout, the deep complexities, and atrocities, of history and the intergenerational effects of historical events are explored - illuminating the stories we may not have heard in classrooms or textbooks and what actions and responsibilities we can take as we work towards healing. Find Rebecca Clarren:The Cost of Free Land: Jews, Lakota, and an American InheritanceInstagram: @rclarrenWebsiteResources Mentioned: Reconciliation RisingIndian Land Tenure FoundationLandbackBooks Mentioned:Hitler's American Model by James WhitmanLearning from the Germans by Susan NeimanCaste by Isabel WilkersonControl by Adam RutherfordSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15

In this episode, Kate is joined by Dan Egan, author of the Devil's Element: Phosphorous and a World Out of Balance. Why phosphorus? Phosphorus is vital for life on Earth and plays a pivotal role in fertilizers that sustain agriculture. However, it's also a finite resource where its overuse in fertilizers has led to significant environmental concerns such as toxic algae blooms. The history of phosphorus, from its isolation as an element, to its sordid history and its various applications, including warfare, is explored. Somehow, phosphorous is at the heart of our food system, the conception of the soap opera, the Clean Water Act, and the children's rhyme “Shelly sells seashells by the seashore.” Its history is nothing short of sordid and it is “the gravest natural resource shortage you've never heard of.” Dan and Kate also explore future sources of phosphorous and whether or not waste is really waste at all. This is an essential part of understanding agricultural systems and a great interview. Find Dan-the Devil's Element: Phosphorous and a World Out of BalanceResources Mentioned: Farmer's of Forty Centuries: Organic Farming in China, Korea, and Japan by F. H. KingInterview with Dan on Sustainable DishSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15

This week, Kate sits down with author Cat Bohannan to talk about her book Eve: How the Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Human Evolution. This conversation takes you on a captivating journey through the intricacies of human evolution viewed through the stories our bodies have to tell - and the female body in particular. In this podcast, they explore elements of the book as well as exploring what it means to look at the narrative arc of female bodies through deep time. We look at how our evolution is a product of environment, culture, behaviors, context, and bodies exploring topics like menopause and menstruation, tool use, mating behaviors, and so much more. Cat shares a message of agency and empowerment and what it might mean to think about how the human species might evolve from here. Find Cat:Eve: How the Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Human EvolutionX (Twitter): @catbohannonBooks Mentioned in the Podcast:Ultra-Processed People by Chris van TullekenSkin: A Natural History by Nina Jablonsky Current Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1520% off Home of Wool using code BF 20 through November 27th (code KATEKAVANAUGH for 10% after that). Support the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time Tip

Lindsey Browne Davis is a writer, hunter, entrepreneur, and naturalist. Based in Salt Lake City, Lindsey draws from her experiences farming, foraging, hunting, and running businesses to talk candidly about chasing our dreams, even when it feels almost impossible. This is a wide ranging and inspiring podcast where we discuss the overlap between stewarding land and our own bodies, building connection with our ecosystem, failing, hunting, and being a citizen scientist. Lindsey has a way of explaining both the terrain around her and her inner terrain with aplomb. We explore ecosystem services and how to be of service to your ecosystem. She also talks about her hope for her (now born!) baby and what life may look like as a mother and hunter both. Find LindseyInstagram: @lindsey.browne.davisWebsiteSupport the Podcast:SubstackLeave a one-time TipCurrent Discounts for MBS listeners:15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH15% off Bon Charge blue light blocking gear using code: MINDBODYSOIL15