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In the 197th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how to go about figuring out what's important to clients (and how to help them figure it out for themselves). For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 196th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss the role of "gut feelings" and intuition in decision-making after the data has been fully analyzed. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Mindy Diamond on Independence: A Podcast for Financial Advisors Considering Change
With Josh Tomolak, Vice President of Independent Advisor Services, Diamond Consultants Louis Diamond and Josh Tomolak unpack today's IBD vs. RIA landscape, explaining what has changed, where each model excels, and how to determine which path best supports the business you want to build. In Summary The independent wealth management landscape has changed dramatically, making the decision between an independent broker dealer (IBD) and an RIA more nuanced than ever before. Louis Diamond welcomes Diamond Consultants' Vice President of Independent Advisor Services, Josh Tomolak, for a practical discussion of how the independent space has evolved, what truly differentiates the IBD and RIA models today, and how advisors can evaluate which path best aligns with the business they want to build. The Storyline Not long ago, the decision to become independent was relatively straightforward. Advisors either remained with a traditional firm or pursued independence through one of a limited number of models. Today, the conversation is far more complex. Independent broker dealers have significantly expanded their capabilities, offering stronger technology, larger transition packages, greater flexibility, and even pathways to RIA ownership. At the same time, the RIA ecosystem has matured into a sophisticated marketplace supported by multiple custodians, outsourced service providers, institutional capital, and enterprise platforms that rival many of the industry's largest firms. As these developments have unfolded, the traditional distinctions between an IBD and an RIA have become less obvious. Advisors evaluating their options are no longer simply asking whether they should become independent—they're asking which model best supports the clients they serve, the business they envision, and the lifestyle they want to create. In this Industry Update, Louis and Josh unpack the realities behind the IBD vs. RIA decision. They discuss where the two models overlap, where meaningful differences still exist, and why factors like service, technology, economics, operational responsibility, enterprise value, and long-term optionality often matter more than labels alone. Whether you're considering changing independent firms, launching your own RIA, or simply want a better understanding of how the independent landscape has evolved, this conversation provides an objective framework for evaluating today's choices—and preparing for tomorrow's opportunities. Topics Covered Independent Broker Dealer (IBD) vs. RIA models The evolution of supportive independence Technology investments across the independent space Transition support and advisor mobility Capital solutions and recruiting economics Business formation and enterprise value Launching an independent RIA Multi-custodial platforms and open architecture Minority investments and succession planning Future trends shaping advisor independence > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors Why are already-independent advisors reconsidering their current model? (5:27) Josh explains why service, technology, economics, and growing optionality are causing advisors to reevaluate their existing affiliations. How have independent broker dealers and RIAs become more alike? (19:28) Louis and Josh discuss the growing convergence between the two models and why the distinction is becoming less obvious than many advisors assume. What really separates an IBD from an RIA? (25:04) A practical discussion of autonomy, compliance, flexibility, custody, economics, and advisor experience. What misconceptions keep advisors from launching an RIA? (36:29) Josh outlines the “Four Pillars” of launching an RIA and explains where advisors tend to either overestimate or underestimate the operational realities. Which advisors thrive most in each model? (33:12) The conversation explores why there isn't a universally “better” model—only one that's better aligned with an advisor's goals. What trends are quietly reshaping independence? (42:13) Minority investments, enterprise value, business formation, and changing revenue models may have an even greater impact than advisors realize today. Key Takeaways Independence has evolved from a destination into an ongoing strategic decision. Independent broker dealers have significantly improved technology, transition support, economics, and flexibility. The RIA ecosystem has matured into a highly sophisticated marketplace with broad outsourcing and support options. Choosing between an IBD and an RIA should begin with long-term business objectives—not industry perceptions. Building a valuable business depends more on business structure and scalability than simply growing assets. Advisors considering independence should evaluate models with an open mind rather than relying on outdated assumptions. The next decade will likely bring continued convergence between independent business models. https://youtu.be/jHDVso2TsmQ Quotable Moments “The question is no longer, ‘Do I want to go independent?' The question is, ‘What kind of independence makes the most sense for my clients, business, and goals?'” “Business formation is far more important than assets under management.” “The way you build your business will ultimately determine how valuable that business becomes.” “Everything in an RIA is going to cost you either your time or your money.” FAQs Is there still a meaningful difference between an IBD and an RIA? Yes. While the two models increasingly overlap, they differ in areas such as flexibility, compliance structure, operational responsibility, economics, and control. Why are more independent advisors changing firms today? Improved technology, stronger transition support, evolving economics, and better service models are prompting many advisors to reassess whether their current platform still fits their business. Is launching an RIA easier than it used to be? Yes. Supportive independence, outsourced service providers, and improved custodial resources have significantly reduced many of the historical barriers. Does every entrepreneurial advisor belong in the RIA model? No. The best fit depends on an advisor's appetite for ownership, customization, operational responsibility, and long-term vision. What matters more: assets under management or how the business is built? Josh argues that scalable business formation often has a greater impact on enterprise value than AUM alone. What's the biggest mistake advisors make when evaluating independence? Starting with assumptions instead of objectives. The most effective due diligence begins by defining the business you're trying to build, then identifying the model best suited to support it. Yes. While the two models increasingly overlap, they differ in areas such as flexibility, compliance structure, operational responsibility, economics, and control. Improved technology, stronger transition support, evolving economics, and better service models are prompting many advisors to reassess whether their current platform still fits their business. Yes. Supportive independence, outsourced service providers, and improved custodial resources have significantly reduced many of the historical barriers. No. The best fit depends on an advisor's appetite for ownership, customization, operational responsibility, and long-term vision. Josh argues that scalable business formation often has a greater impact on enterprise value than AUM alone. Starting with assumptions instead of objectives. The most effective due diligence begins by defining the business you're trying to build, then identifying the model best suited to support it. Related Resources IBD vs. RIA Comparison Guide IBD vs. RIA Revisited: Two Independent Pathways for Advisors to Consider NOTE: The views and opinions expressed by the guests on this podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Diamond Consultants. Neither Diamond Consultants nor the guests on this podcast are compensated in any way for their participation. View the transcript of this episode… IBD vs. RIA: A Special Industry Update on Independence A conversation with Louis Diamond and Josh Tomolak, Vice President of Independent Advisor Services at Diamond Consultants. Louis Diamond: Welcome to the latest episode of our podcast series for financial advisors. Today’s episode is IBD vs. RIA: A Special Industry Update on Independence. It’s a conversation with Josh Tomolak, our Vice President of Independent Advisor Services. I’m Louis Diamond, and this is the Diamond Podcast for Financial Advisors. Mindy Diamond: At Diamond Consultants, we help elite advisors identify the right environment for their businesses to thrive, whether that’s at a wirehouse, boutique, or independent firm. With nearly three decades of experience, we’ve guided thousands of advisors and represented more than a quarter of a trillion dollars in assets transitioned. And each year, one in four advisors managing a billion dollars or more who change firms are our clients. Our process is education driven and based on building relationships, starting as your strategic partner well before you’re even thinking of a move. To schedule a confidential conversation, call us at (908) 879-1002. Wondering why advisors change firms and where they’re headed? Are transition deals going up or down? Those very questions and more inspired us to create our annual advisor transition report. It’s the award-winning data-driven resource designed for advisors that connects the dots between the motivations around movement and the firm’s appetite for top talent. Arm yourself with the knowledge you need to make smart decisions. Download your copy at diamond-consultants.com/transitionreport. Louis Diamond: For a long time, going independent would suggest the destination. Today, it’s often the beginning of a different conversation. As the independent space has matured, advisors have more choices than ever before. Broker-dealers have expanded their capabilities. The RIA ecosystem has become increasingly sophisticated. Capital is more readily available and support models now exist that would’ve been difficult to imagine a decade ago. The result is that many advisors who are already independent are taking a fresh look at whether their current affiliation still aligns with what they’re trying to build. My guest is Josh Tomolak, Vice President of Independent Advisor Services here at Diamond Consultants and our resident expert on independence. Josh spends his days helping advisors evaluate independence in all its forms from independent broker dealers, the fully independent RIAs and everything in between. And his knowledge is critical because the distinction between these models is often blurred. Many broker dealers now offer pathways to greater autonomy while supported independence has made RIA ownership more accessible than ever before. So the question is no longer simply, “Do I want to go independent?” The question is, “What kind of independence makes the most sense for client, business, and goals?” Josh shares what he’s seeing across the landscape, the misconceptions that continue to shape advisor thinking and the factors that matter most when evaluating the next chapter of an independent business. There’s a lot to discuss, so let’s get to it. Josh, thanks for joining me today. Joshua Tomolak: Thanks for having me, Louis. It’s a real privilege to have come. This is a full circle moment for me going from being a student of your podcast, to working alongside you, to being a guest. So I appreciate you having me. Louis Diamond: Amazing. I’m excited for this one too, because you have a fresh and in the weeds perspective that a lot of our guests simply don’t have. So why don’t you start off, you spend your time helping advisors evaluate independence every day. So working with advisors who are already independent, for the most part. And to me, it feels like the independent space has really evolved dramatically over the last decade. I mean, this podcast is really the epicenter of that to prove that out, but give us a little background on your past roles in the space and then we can get into what you’re seeing right now. Joshua Tomolak: Yeah, I’d be happy to. So I took a very non-traditional path into wealth management. I spent a decade as a deep sea Navy diver, and upon completing my service there, I ended up working for TD Ameritrade. And in my role there, I spent about six years doing nothing but helping financial advisors explore the RIA space, whether that was to join or partner with an RIA, sell to an RIA, or in most cases, launch their own RIA. And one of the things that I ultimately came to terms with is it’s just not the right model for everybody. While I’m a huge advocate for it, we would often lose business to the major broker-dealers of the world. And at the time, I really didn’t understand why. In the last six years at Diamond Consultants has been a very interesting purview into what a lot of the broker-dealers have done and are doing to make themselves more RIA-ish and be very compelling to the right advisor. Louis Diamond: Perfect framing. Your background is incredibly germane to the folks you work with. So let’s start off with the softball here. What are you seeing right now? Joshua Tomolak: It’s not so different than the rest of the industry, the wirehouses, the regional firms, things of that nature, that if you took 10 firms, they’re all likely to go different directions, even if they were identical practices. That could be… A third would go from an independent broker-dealer to another independent broker-dealer. Certainly the supported RIA space is growing every day and has created a lot of very fun and unique solutions for advisors, very customized and curated. And then I think there’s still a lot of really great sophisticated teams and individual contributors that are making the decision to go hyper entrepreneurial and launch their own individual RIA. So the movement’s really all over the board from my perspective. Louis Diamond: It does feel like it’s no longer independence is an alternative option or it’s on the fringes. It’s very front and center whether for breakaways, which is a big topic on our podcast, but in general, the infrastructure has become much, much more sophisticated today than ever before. Advisors have way more tools in their toolbox to serve clients, whether in the private markets or through technology. And it’s no longer that if an advisor’s independent, they’re in the minor leagues where they don’t have the same ability to serve clients like they did if they’re at a big bank or a private bank or a wirehouse. Do you agree? Joshua Tomolak: I absolutely agree. And I’m reminded of a question I got one time from a great team that I worked with in New York. They asked me, “Are there really more options than ever before? Because all we see is one firm selling to another.” And I think that’s a really great point. There’s far less broker dealers on the street than there were even five years ago. But for every Commonwealth, for example, that sells to an LPL, up pops three or four really cool private equity-backed, sophisticated RIA platform firms that are built to service their own unique advisor base. Louis Diamond: I think that’s right. Sitting on the sidelines, sitting on top of everything going on in the industry, I feel like capital is always an interesting topic forever. If an advisor wanted to move within the independent world or break away from a big firm to go independent, the only way to get capital was to go to an independent broker dealer. So we still see that, but I feel like today between all these minority acquisition opportunities, we’re seeing firms acquire practices at time of transition, which is somewhat new. There’s debt solutions, recruiting deals are way up for firms that are paying forgivable loans. RIAs now would, in some cases, will pay a forgivable note. What are you seeing there as far as the availability of capital and just deals in general? Joshua Tomolak: It’s a great question and I didn’t want to take the low-hanging fruit, but capital’s been a huge innovation, I guess, in the last five years I’d say. Just to give you rough quotes, please don’t hold me to it, but traditional transition broker-dealer deals were five years ago, 40 to 60% of Trailing Twelve revenue today are somewhere between 90 and 120%, sometimes north of that for the right team. That’s really meaningful money for the team that is thinking about foregoing a wirehouse deal, for example. I’d also say a lot of these firms are getting hyper-creative in how they solve for capital. The minority investment piece that you mentioned is very interesting. We’re seeing a lot of privatized forgivable notes in the RIA space where third-party or private lenders are basically lending the money and the RIA is making the payments on that forgivable note as long as the advisor is affiliated with them. So there’s been a recognition among the RIA space to get away from the, “Oh, they just took a check” type of mantra, and to say, “Look, I understand there are capital needs. These people are taking a risk. We need to solve for that.” So we’ve seen a lot of that in the marketplace. Louis Diamond: Very interesting. I think another thing financially, and then we’ll keep the train moving, that I know I’ve seen, and maybe you can weigh in if you’ve seen the same, is the cost to an advisor or a business owner to join an independent BD or to join an RIA has come way down, probably in part because of Schwab going to zero on trading. That’s been a catalyst. But it feels like we used to say independent BDs were expensive relative to the RIA world. And in some cases, they certainly could be. And if you’re at scale, maybe you can pick up a point or two being in the RIA world versus a BD. But when you have some of these BDs that have a basis point admin fee or no admin fee at a certain size and the payouts I feel like are similar, maybe have gone up a little bit, but it’s more so like the administrator fees, the platform fees, the program fees. Anyone who’s not in that world, it’s like, “What are you talking about?” But basically the way that these broker-dealers make money, it seems like there’s been a pretty big differential in the exchange of value where advisors now get more services, better technology, get more money to join them and get it at a lower cost. Do you agree? Joshua Tomolak: I absolutely agree. I think that maybe that’s one of the larger changes that we’ve seen, and it’s probably one of the benefits from a lot of the industry consolidation on that independent broker-dealer side. The economies of scale of these folks have allowed them to increase their tech spend, increase their service capacities all while offering it to the advisors at a cheaper price. And when I was at TD Ameritrade, one of the biggest pitches was the idea of a 100% payout and you control the fixed expenses, your technology compliance, et cetera. But what’s changed is that broker-dealers are pretty darn comparable on the expenses. All of those admin fees and things you mentioned will still exist, but they’re on a much smaller scale. And I think the question a lot of advisors are asking is, “Am I getting congruent value from my broker-dealer for what I pay for?” And while that answer might’ve been no a couple years ago, today the answer is more often yes. Louis Diamond: Yeah, I would agree. A lot of times we work with advisors who are starting an RIA or affiliating with an RIA or going to a BD and they see how big the deals are in the independent BD world and the payouts are really high and the fees are relatively low. And honestly, it is a hard decision or calculus to make, like, “How does it make sense for me to turn down this extremely lucrative deal when my ongoing economics are going to be somewhat similar in the BD world versus in the RIA space?” I think it’s just an interesting dynamic and we’ll get more into that distinction. One of the stars of the show right here is we’ve seen a ton of advisor movement across the industry. Our annual advisor transition report said that in 2025, over 11,000 experienced advisors changed firms, which is a large number. A lot of those numbers are within the independent world. So advisors who are 1099 through a BD or through an RIA transitioning to another platform or organization or starting an RIA. So why do you think we’re seeing so many advisors reconsider their current firm or their platform or their broker-dealer today than in years past? Joshua Tomolak: It’s a jarring number. 11,000 is definitely a significant amount of advisor movements. To me, it comes down to a few things, but I will say that it’s almost always a conglomeration of pushes and pulls. Pushes being inherent frustrations with your status quo, pulls being the new sexy, shiny things that you see in the marketplace that could be really impactful for your business. To me, it typically comes down to one of three things, at least on the push front, that drives advisors to movement. Service being number one, technology being number two, and economics being number three. And if we were just going to unpack those, I think service being, “Can you call somebody that knows your business, that knows your name? Are you getting the correct answers? Are you being pushed through a phone tree? And even if you’re not doing it, is it taking up a meaningful amount of time of your staff’s free time?” On the technology front, there’s very significant tech spends happening in the industry right now. I think Raymond James and LPL reported, for example, they spent 500 million in 2025 on a tech spend. So advisors are going to the places that are making their life easier. People are looking for a mechanism to really scale their business without having to add staff and a lot of expenses to the bottom line. And technology is just the fastest, most efficient way to do that most times. And then economics, certainly a lot of advisors and teams have built phenomenal businesses and they’ve made a great living without really stressing out about the economics. And they eventually get to a point in their business where what they were giving up as a million dollar producer is far different than what they’re giving up as a $4 million producer. And back to the congruent value, it perhaps stops to make as much sense. Louis Diamond: Well said. I always say when the cost-to-value ratio is out of whack, that’s when advisors sit up and take notice. And not to name names of firms, but there definitely are firms that are more expensive. And even if you look at how much a wirehouse or a Ed Jones advisor paid their firm, it’s like, “What got me here is not necessarily what’s going to get me there.” And while the name on the business card, the resources were incredibly impactful, and I’m so grateful for what my firm, my broker-dealer did for me when I was just starting or when I was smaller. Now the business is bigger, I rely upon different resources or I don’t need the firm as much. So I’d rather plow the cost savings either into income for myself or invest it in areas that are most germane to my business. And it’s usually when that kind of light bulb moment goes off, that’s one of the major pushes that cause advisors to evaluate other options. So I agree with you, those are the major push factors, but then what are the pull factors? What are the major advancements or changes across the independent space that’s causing advisors to say, “Hey, okay, I might have some frustrations, but at the same time, I also need to find something that’s more than marginally better than the firm I’m at. Otherwise, why am I going to go through the hassle, take the risk, et cetera? So what are some of the pull factors that advisors are latching onto today? Joshua Tomolak: Sure. And I might say with one final push factor, there’s a straw that breaks the proverbial camel’s back when you’ve been told for however many years that this change or that change is coming down the pipeline and it never happens. And it translates well into the pull factors is do they do what they say they’re going to do? The talking points really for the pull factors are exactly the same. So the counterpoint to service is perhaps having a direct relationship with the chief compliance officer at a firm or having a dedicated service representative that knows their stuff inside and out and can get you the answer even if they don’t know it off the top of their head. Having the technology to rebalance a household in two clicks instead of two hours. In economics, I think it’s really a transparency of economics. We’ve both worked with some really significant firms that have looked at their P&Ls and said, “where the heck is the money going?” And we’ve looked at the same P&Ls and said, “I have no idea,” because it’s so convoluted. People are happy to pay for good service, good technology, good products, but they just want to know where the money’s coming from. So I think it’s a yin and yang. The same things that they’re the push are often the pull. Louis Diamond: Definitely. I’ll give you a couple other from my perspective. I’ll say first specific to the independent BD world, and then we’ll dive into the RIA, I think it’s a little bit different. But I think some other will say innovations or changes that are causing advisors to really perk up and listen and really make the case to themselves that life will be better at this new organization than the status quo or staying put. We’ve seen major advancements in transition support, whether it’s being able to do a transition without a shred of paper, being able to… I mean, we’ve seen some independent advisors move their entire book within two weeks, which never would’ve happened before. So the firms that I’d say are playing offense, the larger firms that are winning, they have insane headcount around transitions and are always investing in technology, whether now on the AI front or in general. And we’ve seen transitions, they’re never easy. So that’s not a comment to say it’s easy, but a lot of the friction, a lot of the manual work has been taken away, which is massive. You definitely mentioned the significant technology spend. I mean, just the innovations going on across the industry. There’s definitely some firms that are laggards on technology and others that are light years ahead, whether because their tech is more integrated or they’ve built out their platform to be more, we’ll say modular, to plug in different third-party softwares where an advisor can really customize and create their own tech stack. I think there’s been some changes on compliance. It used to be if you’re at an independent BD, you had to be the OSJ by yourself or you had to roll up under an OSJ. But now most BDs offer home office supervision, so a big friction or pain point is taken away. And then I’ll give you a bridge to talk about what we’re seeing on the RIA side. But we’ve also seen, I would say, a real blurring of the lines between what you would traditionally think of as an independent broker dealer versus what was an RIA. So whether it’s an internal pathway where it’s like, “Start off on our independent BD platform, get the big deal, get the support, but then you can ditch that and just use this as a custodian or you can sell the business to us when you want to retire and convert to W2.” So in that vein, transitioning internally to an RIA, give me the same points like, “What are the major advancements or changes you’re seeing on the RIA side today?” Joshua Tomolak: I love that you said that because it’s been one of the most interesting changes to watch. Independent broker dealers becoming more like RIAs, and to your point, being more flexible, having more optionality, a more curated experience in some cases. And in many cases becoming closer to independent broker dealers with some of these massive shops that we’ve seen be created over the last five years that now have hundreds, if not thousands of advisors. To your question on the internal RIA slide as we sometimes call it, this really didn’t exist many places a few years ago. And I think it’s been created as both originally a retention tool in many places for the advisors that were with a major independent broker dealer and they ultimately wanted to have their own ADV and their own RIA. And the firm didn’t want to lose all the assets to an independent custodian so they gave them the green light to… And it’s ultimately became a sales tool in many cases. Just to use a couple of examples across the industry, I mean, Raymond James has Raymond James Custody Services, which has attracted a lot of really sophisticated teams. I know Wells Fargo Finance done something similar and even the counterparts over at Cetera and Osaic are trying to do the same thing. So it’s a recognition in my view that we want to keep the best talent possible. And if these folks are ultimately going to go RIA anyway, it’s less about the money and more about the flexibility and control that it offers them. So what can we do to keep those folks on board? And rightfully so, a lot of senior management of these firms have said, “Let’s not lose these teams. It’s going to be a lower margin business for us, but at the rate that they’re growing, it’s going to pay off in the long run.” Louis Diamond: Well said. RIAs are now more mainstream. And some of these RIAs, they’re either resembling independent BDs or I would even go so far to say the valuations that are even publicly available on some RIAs is definitely having people take notice. I mean, Cerity Partners recently raised capital at an over $8 billion reported valuation. Crescent was well over a billion. Firms like Mariner, Creative Planning, Mercer, Wealth Enhancement Group, and there’s many that I’m missing, are all worth a couple billion dollars or more and growing. Do you think that’s had an impact on the legitimacy or the staying power of the RIA model? Joshua Tomolak: Oh, absolutely. There’s no doubt about it. I mean, those groups that you mentioned and many more are winning some of the biggest teams on the street. I mean, if you pull up a run-of-the-mill advisor hub article, for example, you’ll see as many of those RIAs win significant businesses as you will their broker-dealer counterparts, partially in my opinion, due to the massive valuations these firms are fetching. And it’s much more of a partnership in the sense that joining a Crescent or a Wealth Enhancement Group, as you mentioned, you’re a part of a boutique group of maybe a couple of hundred very sophisticated high-producing advisors all playing under the same banner, all rowing in the same direction, and that creates substantial growth. Louis Diamond: Exactly right. I think two other things to me that’s driving the legitimacy or the growth of the RIA segment, there’s so many different outsourcing solutions that have popped up, whether it’s more of a… We’ll say a bundled or a package outsourcing solution through firms like Dynasty and Sanctuary. LPL has done a ton with having a shared services outsourcing model. So you have those. But you also have, I mean, probably 10 different firms I could think of that can be an outsourced chief compliance officer. You have tons of marketing agencies that specialize in helping RIAs. You have all these FinTechs popping up to support the RIA space. Really, it’s like anything and everything can be outsourced now. And even the big Wall Street banks like UBS, Merrill, et cetera, they’re attempting to sell and distribute product into the RIA space. Venture funds, private equity funds, anyone you talk to is trying to get a piece of the RIA space, which means there’s more product and platform availability than ever before. And I think it’s massive because one, it’s a catalyst for teams who say, “I love everything about the RIA world. I just don’t want to do it on my own,” or, “I don’t know where to start.” But also it means that they can look their clients in the eye and say, “Hey, not only do I have the same stuff that I had for you at XYZ firm, I can actually do more for you.” And even if you look at what the custodians are doing on the lending side now, Schwab owning a bank is massive and being able to facilitate mortgages, securities-backed loans, things that didn’t really exist in the past. I think it’s a very exciting time for advisors either that are independent or are considering the independent space because you have all these choices and it’s really like, “Choose your own adventure. Give me your top five things you want.” I’m sure it exists and we can find it and make it happen. And I don’t think we’d have the same confidence in that statement 5, 7, 10 years ago. Joshua Tomolak: I couldn’t agree more. That’s such a huge development is the marketplace of third party vendors in any kind of capitalism environment. There’s problems that people encounter and there’s really smart people that are trying to make a lot of money that go to market to solve them. And we’ve seen a ton of that over the last few years. Louis Diamond: Exactly right. Yeah, it’s like also… If an advisor looks around and says, “Hey, this is what I want,” and it doesn’t exist, oftentimes that’s a light bulb moment to be like, “Okay, I’ll go build it. I’ll do it on my own.” Whether it was Stewart Partners when they launched a number of years ago or Hightower, Dynasty, et cetera. They were all started by people that said, “Hey, I see a big gap in the ecosystem. Let’s create a business and raise capital to go solve it and then deliver this service to other like-minded advisors or business owners.” Honestly, it’s a treat to be able to watch all this happen in real time. We probably should have laid the groundwork with this next question, but I think it’s an important one. What’s the difference between a independent broker-dealer and an RIA? Really basic foundational. It sounds like the lines are blurred. There’s probably a lot of similarities. Advisors are successful in both. It’s not like one’s better than the other. How would you explain the differences, if a client of ours asked, “What’s the difference between an independent broker-dealer and IBD versus an RIA”? Joshua Tomolak: Get into the core of it. Again, the lines are blurred, and I’ll stay very high level on the strategic differences, but I like to use this example. I drive a Toyota Tundra. Really like the truck, gets me from A to B. Now, if I were getting to a point where I wanted a new vehicle, if I were to go get another Toyota Tundra because I really like a lot of aspects of it, but I want the one with the bigger screen and the bigger tires and the power seats, and I have rolled down windows because I have a fear of drowning. But if I want a lot of the bells and whistles, but I want to keep the foundation, that’s what I align to a independent broker-dealer to independent broker-dealer. You like the foundation of everything all under one roof. You like a lot of the resources, but you have some meaningful frustrations and you want to see if another provider in the market can solve for those or you can upgrade. If I instead, Louis, decided that I wanted a sports car or a Jeep Wrangler or something, I would be looking at a different category altogether. That’s how I articulate the platform space. They provide the same services and support in many cases that an independent broker-dealer does, think of marketing and a tech stack and regulatory oversight and a fellowship in a community, but they’re built on an RIA TC registered chassis. They’re typically far more customized so you can shop the street to get a lot more of the things that you like, though you are walking away from maybe some of the things that you’ve liked in the independent broker-dealer model. So I guess that’s the highest level I might explain it, just a little bit more minutia in any broker-dealer is going to be a FINRA registered, FINRA member broker-dealer. So they’re subject to the FINRA rules, which basically means it’s the compliance interpretation of those rules that they have to follow. So LPL’s rules may be slightly different than Cetera’s than Ameriprise’s because it’s based on their interpretations of the rules. In the RIA space, everybody really operates on the fiduciary standard. So it’s just a different lens that from a compliance standpoint, business is looked at. And a lot of people would make the argument that it’s just easier to get things done when you’re looking at something from that lens. I might’ve gone too compliance nerd on you there, but I’d be curious what you think some of the major differences are. Louis Diamond: Yeah, I think that’s right. I mean, it sounds like if you’re in the RIA world in some capacity that you as the advisor or business owner are going to have a little bit more control and autonomy and flexibility. One, do you think that’s true? And what are the reasons why that is? Is it platform? Is it strictly just compliance is easier? What are the different ways that an RIA would have more or less flexibility than someone who’s with an independent BD? Joshua Tomolak: Yeah, I think it’s overwhelmingly true, but it certainly depends on your business. Within most RIA platforms, you’re going to be one of a couple dozen, maybe a couple hundred, where you’re going to have people within that firm that really know your business. So the experience in getting things done is much less about, “Can I do this,” or, “Can I not do this?” And it’s, “Louis, I understand you asked for this. We’re going to run into these issues, but let’s figure out how to get to yes.” So it’s far more curated by people that are not operating on black and white rules and can actually figure out how to get to yes for your business. The other thing I would say is that most significant RIA platforms have multiple custodial options. So many times you’ll see as few as two or as many as five. So if an advisor or a team is trying to bring on a new piece of business or do something creative, that might be something they can use a different custodial relationship to accomplish. It might be something that Goldman Sachs does really well but is in its infancy at Fidelity, or it might be international business that’s approved on Pershing’s platform but not Schwab’s platform. So the RIA partner that you’re with can really look at those custodians agnostically and say, “What’s the best home for this business? What’s the best way to get this done for Louis?” There’s a couple examples of where I see the flexibility in practice. Louis Diamond: Yeah, I think one more too would be the concept of being able to shop the street. I’ve heard it described as becoming a buy-side advocate for your clients versus being a professional seller. So meaning, if I’m affiliated with an RIA or I’m operating my own RIA, there’s no selling away like there is at a wirehouse or at certain BDs. So if I have a client who’s trying to get a $10 million loan for a new building that they’re breaking ground on, if I’m at UBS, Merrill, Morgan Stanley, captive to a BD, I can go to my firm and say, “Hey, this $10 million loan, here it is. What are the terms? What are the rates? Will you take on this business?” And the firm will say, “Yes. No. Yes, here are the terms. Here’s the caveats, et cetera.” But it’s a very closed market process and an advisor has to live and die by what their firm says. Versus in the RIA world, it’s, “Okay, I have relationships with nine different banks and I can go to these different banks and private credit funds and whoever and really create either an option process for my client or really just help them in a fully agnostic open way.” And we see the same thing when it comes to alternative investments. No one at a wirehouse, let’s say, is complaining that they don’t have enough alts that they can offer clients. Those firms have done an amazing job with really boiling the ocean and having tons and tons of options for private investments, hedge funds, et cetera. But if you’re in the RIA world, you can take it to the next level and say, “Hey, this $3 million startup company that my friend is starting, I’m going to help them raise capital,” or, “My client wants to get a syndicate of investors together to have a direct investment into a qualified opportunity zone fund that they’re starting. Let’s do it when we can advise on it.” So it really expands what an advisor is able to do on behalf of clients. Like to me, that’s the most interesting or exciting part of the RIA model. You can get some of that within the BD world, but to me, when an advisor’s business becomes more sophisticated as far as what their end client’s needs are, it tends to translate better to the RIA world than the BD world. Not to say there aren’t ultra-high net worth focused advisors at BDs, but because of that additional flexibility, autonomy, customization, et cetera, that speaks more RIA. So again, absolutely not down at all on the independent BDs because I think there’s a massive home for them. Josh, let me turn it back to you. I’m rambling now. Give me the pitch for an independent BD. What are the things that are misperceptions that people have? What are the advantages that an independent broker dealer like an LPL or a RayJ or a Cetera have over RIAs or over other models in general? Joshua Tomolak: Absolutely. And I’d say I’ve learned more over the last six years from some of your ramblings than most people learn in an MBA course, so keep doing what you’re doing. But it’s funny being in this position now, having spent so much time sort of selling against the IBD model within TD Ameritrade, but what I’ve learned is it’s a good home for everybody. And a lot of times the advisors that they’re entrepreneurial enough where they like having their name on the door, but they’re not so entrepreneurial where they want to build everything out themselves, that’s where the independent broker dealers absolutely kill it. Their economics have gotten to a point where they’re really competitive. They offer transition capital that isn’t even going to be comparable in the RIA space unless you’re selling a minority share of your business. And you mentioned LPL, or we could really list all of the major ones, there’s not a department that they don’t have. It could be as nuance as finding 403(b) payroll slots or it could be as mainstream as fixed income or setting up events. There are all kinds of really neat departments that these all under one roof independent broker dealers have invested in. And a lot of times they make an effort to make you very much aware of all of the support because most people don’t use it. So I would say for the advisors that are looking to get their improved Toyota Tundra, then you can get probably 70 or 80% of what you want within the independent broker-dealer world. And you can also keep 20 or 30% of the stuff, maybe more that you really liked at your previous firm. So I think that’s where it really shines. I sometimes call it an incremental change rather than a transformational change. But for many advisors, incremental is really good enough if you get to keep the familiarity of how you’ve been doing business for the last 20-some years, but you’re able to get net improvement on the things that were really bothering you. Louis Diamond: Well said. Something that I’ve seen that’s been… I guess this could be either pro or con depending upon the advisor, but with some broker dealers, letting an advisor co-brand with them or really having a real consumer-facing brand, whether it’s, “I’m a franchise owner with Ameriprise,” or, “I’m independent through Raymond James,” or, “Running my own practice through Wells Fargo FiNet,” or, “I’m independent with Northwestern Mutual.” There’s definitely some brand cache or brand familiarity with some of those firms that may or may not be the same if you’re in the RIA world. So I would agree there’s a lot to like about the independent BD world and there’s a fit for people that is absolutely better with independent BDs than on the RIA side. Even if some people would say RIA is better, we’re cleaner, I wouldn’t say that. To me, it’s all about what an advisor’s goals are and then matching that up with what these firms do. And there’s never a perfect option. I jokingly say, “If there was a perfect firm, we wouldn’t be in business.” Every firm has their advantages or disadvantages. And depending upon where an advisor’s coming from, their style of business, their pain points, that’ll match up really well with on firm or one type of firm or one model than the other. Let’s pivot a little bit to the RIA world. A lot of your comments have been more about advisors affiliating or joining RIAs, this whole supportive version of independence concept. But what about advisors who want to go and start their own RIA? Either they’re leaving a captive firm and taking the entrepreneurial route and starting their own firm, or they’re leaving an independent BD to go start their own RIA. What do you see as some of the biggest misconceptions that advisors have about that move? Joshua Tomolak: That’s probably my favorite topic because there are the most misconceptions I think in this space. Louis Diamond: I’d agree. Joshua Tomolak: And I would say there’s 9 out of 10 conversations that I have with advisors and teams, they start off with the launching an RIA in mind or at least RIA curious and they want to understand what’s out there. And probably less than half the time do these folks end up actually launching their own RIA, which is okay because the ones that do are massively successful and they know they’re dang sure that’s exactly what they want to do. I think it gets a little bit romanticized sometimes that they’ll say, “Oh, I’ll just give Schwab a call,” or, “I’ll just give the custodian a call,” as if they were shopping independent broker dealers. That’s fine. You can do that and they will help you, but there’s quite a bit more to think about. And it’s not, in my opinion, the same as evaluating independent broker dealers. If it’s all right, I was taught the four pillars of the RIA model. I can go through that with you really quickly. So the way to think about the RIA space is in four pieces. And shout out to a friend, Eli Suarez, that taught me this years ago. The first pillar… Thinking of four pillars on a bar stool, if you will. The first one being administration. And this is your compliance, this is setting up your ADV, your LLC, all of your business formation documents. The second piece being technology, what do you actually want to use? Because the benefits of the broker-dealer world and the supported independent world is they’ve already built it for you. They’ve already paid for it and scraped their knees building it. In this case, you have to. And for some people, that’s really exciting to source financial planning software and portfolio management software and your CRM and tax software, et cetera. For some people, it just sounds like a huge headache. The third pillar being custodians. I have them third because you want to make sure that the right custodian can integrate properly with the technology that you’ve sourced that you’re passionate about. And then ultimately transition. What does a transition really look like? What are my legal and regulatory requirements? How does this work? What are the timelines? Things of that nature. So I guess I would say in closing that if those four things are things that you really want to own, then you’re in a really good position to consider an RIA launch. What do you think, Louis? Louis Diamond: I think that’s a great framework to break it down. Not just be like, “Okay, I can tolerate that,” or, “My team can do it,” but I think you have to be pretty excited about rolling up your sleeves and customizing and doing it yourself because in our experience, there’s a nominal differential between the economics of running your own RIA versus affiliating with an RIA or going to an independent BD. All the extra work and responsibility, you’re not really going to make it up, at least on the front end, on a higher net payout. So it has to be more about what the model means to you and having a vision that you don’t think anyone else can accomplish other than yourself. And looking at that crazy ever-expanding Michael Kitces’ FinTech map and there’s 500 different logos on it and being like, “Yes, that’s what I want. I want to go through this. I want to pick the seven pieces of my tech stack that work for me,” rather than getting, “Here’s the tech stack, take a demo, you like it, you don’t like it, take it or leave it.” To me, the two biggest misconceptions people have about the RIA world is one, “I’m going to have to be a full-time chief compliance officer,” and just that compliance is this boogeyman, this terrible, scary thing. In some ways it is. But the reality is most, especially startup RIAs will fully outsource compliance to a firm or they’ll hire a compliance consultant or firms that are big enough even will hire a CCO or repurpose someone on their team to be CCO. But compliance is much more streamlined and simpler than BD compliance. And ultimately, it’s compliance that’s being built for your business rather than compliance that’s being built for a publicly traded multinational company that supports 20,000 financial advisors. So I think compliance is always a big misconception. It’s definitely what a lot of firms will pry upon when they’re saying like, “Oh, you’re going to own all the legal and regulatory requirements. You could, but it’s definitely not a requirement.” And then I think another one is folks sometimes underestimate and overestimate the operational burden and how much work it is to start an RIA. Sometimes people just… They’re perfect for the RIA world, that’s their goal, but they get stopped in their tracks. They don’t really know what to do. But what we’ve seen, we said it earlier with so many different outsourcing solutions and different service providers that have popped up, if you have the fire in your belly to go build something, it doesn’t mean you’re doing it by yourself. I mean, that’s what firms like ours do. The custodians are very helpful. On the flip side though, I have seen advisors chasing payouts say, “Hey, I’m just going to go start an RIA because I want to make another 1 to 3%,” or whatever it comes to and they drastically underestimate what it really takes to build a successful firm. Joshua Tomolak: Exactly right. I think that’s my favorite one, Louis, overestimating and estimating the operational burden there is you could have the same conversation with two teams and it can go the completely different direction. Louis Diamond: Josh, let’s wrap here. I got one more question for you that I think is an exciting one, but give me three key trends or storylines that most people don’t know about or aren’t talking about that you’re passionate about or that you’re sharing with advisors or counseling today. Joshua Tomolak: Sure. This is the free advice portion. And I’ll tell you what, Louis, if it’s all right with you, I’ll give you two and I would love to hear one from you as well. The first one I’ve seen in both the independent broker-dealer and RIA space is the minority investor concept. A lot of folks will talk about the idea of taking chips off a table and starting to partially monetize your business. I think that’s all important, but what I’ve found is that a lot of advisors really want their partner, whether it’s an RIA broker dealer to help them grow. And that could be with M&A opportunities, that could be with traditional recruitment of advisors, that could be building a business plan. But the minority investment part really helps accelerate that for a lot of businesses because all of a sudden, not only are you cashing out a small part of your business, but you’ve just created an ally with the parent entity, it is now much more likely to help you grow in that capacity because they’re insulated from it and they profit when you profit. So I think it’s easy to be shortsighted and say, “Well, my equity’s going to keep growing. Why would I sell you a piece of this?” But I counsel folks often to really think about what that long-term strategic partnership is and making somebody a real equity partner rather than just a vendor that provides you with technology and regulatory coverage. The other one I’d say is that… And this one’s really important to me, that business formation is far more important than your assets under management. Said a different way, the way you build your business is going to make your business far more valuable than the number of dollars underneath your name. And what I mean by that is, just to use an example, a sophisticated, well-built, centralized, scalable and repeatable business, whether it’s an RIA with a broker-dealer that is going to fetch a far higher M&A multiple than a OSJ that’s five times the size that just has a bunch of 1099 independent advisors underneath the umbrella. What we’ve seen in the M&A space is that if you’re going to shell out 50, 60, $80 million for somebody’s business, you want to know that you have this business for the long term. So I would certainly counsel people that have been around maybe far longer than me to take a look at how you’re building this and put together a business plan on what those next 10 years should look like and not necessarily fall into the trap where your only revenue source is the override that you receive from a firm and then you in turn pay to the advisors on your team. Louis Diamond: Well said. I really like that line. We’d probably do a whole episode on what are the tips and tricks for building a business with the end in mind? Like the Covey quote, “Begin with the end in mind.” Transitions are like… They’re a bear. I mean, there’s no way to sugarcoat it. Advisors, when they hear transition, if you ask them, “Don’t think about it, give me your reaction.” “Terrible, risky, a lot of work. I’ll never do it again. My friend did it and it was terrible. What if my clients don’t come?” It’s all these negative emotions. And in many cases, I don’t blame an advisor because it is a big act. But to me, if someone is weighing making a transition, whether a wholesale business model change going from being an employee to being independent, going from being an advisor at an independent BD to starting an RIA, or even going independent BD to independent BD, it’s an opportunity if you rise to the occasion to build with this next act with intentionality. So whether it’s restructuring compensation for your team, converting people from 1099 to W2, putting in place new workflows, changing how investments, instead of it being each individual advisor doing investments to more of a centralized model, cleaning up workflows, really investing in data, investing in AI. It’s something that I think, again, we can have a whole episode on it, but I think it’s a great one. Build the business the right way. And obviously, businesses that are larger, theoretically, sell for more, but we’ve certainly seen businesses that are half the size of a larger one sell for a similar amount or more because they did all the right things and the larger one did the things that really turn off a buyer or detract from a valuation. Let me give you one more and tell me if you agree, but I think we’re in this moment when Altruist, the upstart, a new kid on the block custodian, they launched a basically tokenization of cash in a way to automatically agentically source or sort cash to the highest yielding money market. And you’re like, “This is fricking wonky. Louis, why are you telling us this?” I think this is an important one just to keep a watchful eye on. I have no idea how this is going to shake out, but really the biggest way that independent BDs or even custodians like Schwab and Fidelity really make money, it’s not on their overrides from practices or the admin fee or the custody fee. It’s really on net interest margin. So how much the broker-dealer or the firm is making on client cash and brokerage accounts relative to what they’re paying out the client. It’s essentially like free margin to these firms. And this concept, I think, has massive potential for disruption for the business model. Again, I don’t know what it’s going to look like, whether it means platform fees that are instituted at all these firms, whether it means certain models would be more beneficial than others, whether it means nothing’s going to change, which is probably the right answer given this industry. But it’s something to keep a watchful eye on just if your firm institutes a new platform fee or there’s a fundamental way in which your firm can no longer make money. How are they going to make it up? Are they now going to be uncompetitive? They’re not going to have as much scale or profits to invest in the platform. Is it going to cause even more consolidation in the industry? So to me, that’s the one pretty under the radar, pretty wonky storyline that I don’t think enough people are talking about, but has the biggest possibility for disruption across their space than anything I’ve seen in a while. Joshua Tomolak: Sure. That’s the whole iceberg. Not a lot of people are talking about it. It’s not poking out of the ocean, but it’s going to be continuously brought up. I think it’s a question that a lot of advisors are going to have to ask these firms. And at the end of the day, the firms aren’t the bad guys. They have to make money too to provide a quality product. So where the money comes from matters. Louis Diamond: Exactly. Josh, this has been awesome. I learned a lot talking with you and just having your objective consulting hat on what I think are really the differences between IBD and RIA and some of the key trends and storylines to watch has been instrumental. I’ll also give a plug that on our website and we’ll link to it in the show notes, we have a really helpful one-page reference guide going through the differences between independent BDs or IBDs and RIAs. So feel free to click on it. We’ll make sure it gets in your inbox. Josh, thanks again for joining us today. Joshua Tomolak: Yeah, thanks for having me, Louis. It was a pleasure. Mindy Diamond: As a financial advisor, you hold yourself to the highest standards of integrity, honesty, and credibility. You are successful because you take your professional responsibilities seriously and are dedicated to your clients. But are you living your best business life? Are your goals aligned with your firms or could a better option exist? Should I stay or Should I Go? is a book written with you in mind. It’s a self-guided journey that walks you through the key steps that we take with our advisor clients. This strategic thought process and roadmap to professional self-discovery is designed to help you ask the right questions and think critically and objectively whether you’re considering change or not. Learn how to get your copy at diamond-consultants.com/thebook. IBD vs. RIA: A Special Industry Update on Independence A conversation with Louis Diamond and Josh Tomolak, Vice President of Independent Advisor Services at Diamond Consultants. Louis Diamond: Welcome to the latest episode of our podcast series for financial advisors. Today’s episode is IBD vs. RIA: A Special Industry Update on Independence. It’s a conversation with Josh Tomolak, our Vice President of Independent Advisor Services. I’m Louis Diamond, and this is the Diamond Podcast for Financial Advisors. Mindy Diamond: At Diamond Consultants, we help elite advisors identify the right environment for their businesses to thrive, whether that’s at a wirehouse, boutique, or independent firm. With nearly three decades of experience, we’ve guided thousands of advisors and represented more than a quarter of a trillion dollars in assets transitioned. And each year, one in four advisors managing a billion dollars or more who change firms are our clients. Our process is education driven and based on building relationships, starting as your strategic partner well before you’re even thinking of a move. To schedule a confidential conversation, call us at (908) 879-1002. Wondering why advisors change firms and where they’re headed? Are transition deals going up or down? Those very questions and more inspired us to create our annual advisor transition report. It’s the award-winning data-driven resource designed for advisors that connects the dots between the motivations around movement and the firm’s appetite for top talent. Arm yourself with the knowledge you need to make smart decisions. Download your copy at diamond-consultants.com/transitionreport. Louis Diamond: For a long time, going independent would suggest the destination. Today, it’s often the beginning of a different conversation. As the independent space has matured, advisors have more choices than ever before. Broker-dealers have expanded their capabilities. The RIA ecosystem has become increasingly sophisticated. Capital is more readily available and support models now exist that would’ve been difficult to imagine a decade ago. The result is that many advisors who are already independent are taking a fresh look at whether their current affiliation still aligns with what they’re trying to build. My guest is Josh Tomolak, Vice President of Independent Advisor Services here at Diamond Consultants and our resident expert on independence. Josh spends his days helping advisors evaluate independence in all its forms from independent broker dealers, the fully independent RIAs and everything in between. And his knowledge is critical because the distinction between these models is often blurred. Many broker dealers now offer pathways to greater autonomy while supported independence has made RIA ownership more accessible than ever before. So the question is no longer simply, “Do I want to go independent?” The question is, “What kind of independence makes the most sense for client, business, and go
Building a highly successful advisory platform is less about running every department yourself and more about finding the right operational partners to turn big ideas into a structured reality. Today's milestone episode explores the personal frameworks, scaling pain points, and core values that propelled a solo blog into a powerhouse industry platform. Michael Kitces, co-founder of the 26-person Kitces.com platform, turns the microphone around for our 500th episode to be interviewed by financial planning nerd Adam Van Deusen. Unpacking his personal approach to time management, Michael breaks down the "look at the tape" tracking framework that helps pinpoint an entrepreneur's highest and best use. He also details his transformative shift away from direct people management by partnering with an operational "integrator" (inspired by Gino Wickman's Rocket Fuel), and how building firm-wide metrics around the platform's QNR (Quality, Nerdy, Relevant) content standards gave him the confidence to hand off production. Listen in to hear raw lessons learned from navigating a painful 4X hyper-growth cycle, the exact 49-day interview process Michael uses to ensure cultural alignment, and how his definition of success has evolved after 500 episodes of interviewing industry leaders. For show notes and more visit: https://www.kitces.com/500
Your best advisors are stretched thin, and it is tempting to blame the calendar. In this episode, Ray Sclafani makes the case that capacity is a leadership decision, not an operations problem, and shows advisory firm leaders how unresolved choices about clients, roles, and delegation quietly push the heaviest load onto the people the firm can least afford to burn out.Ray connects this to Michael Kitces' 2025 research on associate advisor delegation, which found that smart delegation can meaningfully speed up the return on a new hire while protecting senior advisors from unnecessary client work. He then walks through a five step framework for segmenting clients, defining service models, clarifying roles, measuring capacity objectively, and hiring ahead of the breaking point.Firm leaders will walk away with a concrete way to diagnose where capacity is leaking in their business and a practical plan for protecting their top talent while growing enterprise value.WHAT YOU'LL LEARN IN THIS EPISODEWhy overloaded top performers usually signal a leadership gap rather than a staffing shortage.Four questions to diagnose team structure, capacity measurement, proactive hiring, and review cadence.How Michael Kitces' 2025 research on associate advisor delegation ties directly to firm capacity.How to design roles and service models so lower value work moves off the senior advisor's plate.Why a quarterly capacity review is the practical tool for hiring ahead of the breaking point.THE FIVE STEP CAPACITY FRAMEWORKDefine your client segments.Define the service model for each segment.Define the roles around the service model.Measure capacity objectively.Hire ahead of the breaking point.REFLECTION QUESTIONS FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP TEAMWhere is your firm relying on heroic effort rather than a better structure?Which client segments require distinct service models, roles, and staffing assumptions?What work should your senior advisors stop doing in the next 90 days?What capacity signals would tell you it's time to hire before performance starts to slip?How will you implement a system so that every 90 days you're evaluating the opportunity to infuse AI into your workforce?RESOURCES MENTIONEDKitces Report: What Actually Contributes To Advisor WellbeingClientWise Executive Coaching and Team DevelopmentBuilding the Billion Dollar Business is hosted by Ray Sclafani, founder and CEO of ClientWise, the financial services industry's leading executive coaching and team development firm for elite advisors and wealth management teams.Find Ray and the ClientWise Team on the ClientWise website or LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube
In the 195th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how to strike the right balance between proactive and reactive client communication. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Michael Kitces has spent years studying what drives satisfaction among financial advisors, going beyond firm performance metrics to focus on personal wellbeing and career fulfillment. His latest research, the 2025 Advisor Wellbeing Study, reveals how advisor happiness has shifted in recent years and what factors are shaping those changes. Drawing from responses across the industry, the study highlights both encouraging trends and emerging concerns. One of the most notable findings is that overall advisor wellbeing has improved, largely due to more stable work environments and stronger market conditions. But not all advisors are experiencing that progress equally, as younger professionals report lower optimism and a weaker sense of purpose. In this episode of The Healthy Advisor, host Diana Britton speaks with Michael Kitces, Chief Financial Planning Nerd at Kitces.com, about what truly drives advisor wellbeing. He explains how experience, autonomy, compensation structure, and firm dynamics all shape long-term satisfaction and career direction. Key takeaways: How stabilized work environments and rising markets have contributed to improved advisor wellbeing since 2023 Why younger advisors report lower optimism and purpose, especially in firms with outside ownership structures The connection between experience, autonomy, and long-term satisfaction in advisory careers How compensation per hour, not total income, plays a key role in advisor happiness and fulfillment Why staff support and delegation are critical to reducing burnout and improving productivity outcomes Resources: Listen to The Healthy Advisor on Wealth Management Subscribe and listen to The Healthy Advisor on Apple Podcasts Subscribe and listen to The Healthy Advisor on Spotify Kitces Report On What Actually Contributes To Advisor Wellbeing 2025 Financial Advisor Success Podcast by Michael Kitces Connect With Michael Kitces: LinkedIn: Michael Kitces LinkedIn: Focus Partners Wealth Website: Focus Partners Wealth Website: Kitces.com Connect with Wealth Management: Wealth Management LinkedIn: Diana Britton diana.britton@informa.com LinkedIn: Informa LinkedIn: Wealth Management About Our Guest: Michael E. Kitces is the Head of Planning Strategy for Focus Partners Wealth, a private wealth management firm located in St Louis, Missouri, that oversees more than $50 billion of client assets. In addition, he is the co-founder of the XY Planning Network, AdvicePay, fpPathfinder, and New Planner Recruiting, former practitioner editor of the Journal of Financial Planning, and the publisher of the e-newsletter The Kitces Report and the popular financial planning industry blog Nerd's Eye View through his website www.Kitces.com, dedicated to advancing knowledge in financial planning. Michael is also a popular speaker on financial planning and practice management topics, and can be seen presenting at 50-70 regional and national conferences for financial advisors every year. Michael is one of the 2010 recipients of the Financial Planning Association's “Heart of Financial Planning” awards for his dedication to advancing the financial planning profession. In addition, he has variously been recognized as financial planning’s “Deep Thinker,” a “Legacy Builder,” an “Influencer,” a “Mover & Shaker,” part of the “Power 20,” and a “Rising Star in Wealth Management” by industry publications. These awards were presented to honor Michael's active work in the financial planning community. Michael is also a co-founder of NexGen, a community of the next generation of financial planners that aims to ensure the transference of wisdom, tradition, and integrity from the pioneers of financial planning to the next generation of the profession.
In the 194th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss the ongoing debate surrounding fear-based marketing tactics. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 193rd episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss the challenge of motivating clients to take difficult but necessary action toward their goals. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 192nd episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how advisors can stay creative without losing sight of the business side of things. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 191st episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how to navigate working with couples when one partner is checked out. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Behavior Gap Radio: Exploring human behavior...with a Sharpie
In this episode, Carl reflects on a recent conversation with Michael Kitces about fear-based selling and the surprising world of “disturb tracks” designed to create urgency and anxiety. Carl explores why tactics built on fear, complexity, and pressure may “work” in the short term, but ultimately erode trust and connection. It's a thoughtful conversation about values-based selling, long-term relationships, and the kind of work Carl actually wants to do in the world.Want more from Carl? Get the shortest, most impactful weekly email on the web! Sign up for the Weekly Letter from Certified Financial Planner™ and New York Times columnist Carl Richards here: https://behaviorgap.com/
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3572: Chris Reining explains why retirement planning is less about predicting the future and more about preparing for uncertainty. Using the Apollo 13 disaster as a powerful analogy, he breaks down how the 4% rule was specifically designed to survive even the worst market conditions, while reminding readers that adaptability matters just as much as strategy. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://chrisreining.com/plan-predict/ Quotes to ponder: “It's probably okay to use a higher initial withdrawal, but you use the rules because it's impossible to predict how the future unfolds.” “The reason the 4% rule works during recessions is because the 4% rule is based on the worst possible historical scenarios.” “Withdrawing that initial 4% incorporates someone who retires on the cusp of some financial nightmare: the depression, dot-com bubble, recent recession.” Episode references: Michael Kitces on the 4% Rule: https://www.kitces.com/blog/monte-carlo-analysis-risk-fat-tails-vs-safe-withdrawal-rates-rolling-historical-returns/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3572: Chris Reining explains why retirement planning is less about predicting the future and more about preparing for uncertainty. Using the Apollo 13 disaster as a powerful analogy, he breaks down how the 4% rule was specifically designed to survive even the worst market conditions, while reminding readers that adaptability matters just as much as strategy. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://chrisreining.com/plan-predict/ Quotes to ponder: “It's probably okay to use a higher initial withdrawal, but you use the rules because it's impossible to predict how the future unfolds.” “The reason the 4% rule works during recessions is because the 4% rule is based on the worst possible historical scenarios.” “Withdrawing that initial 4% incorporates someone who retires on the cusp of some financial nightmare: the depression, dot-com bubble, recent recession.” Episode references: Michael Kitces on the 4% Rule: https://www.kitces.com/blog/monte-carlo-analysis-risk-fat-tails-vs-safe-withdrawal-rates-rolling-historical-returns/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3572: Chris Reining explains why retirement planning is less about predicting the future and more about preparing for uncertainty. Using the Apollo 13 disaster as a powerful analogy, he breaks down how the 4% rule was specifically designed to survive even the worst market conditions, while reminding readers that adaptability matters just as much as strategy. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://chrisreining.com/plan-predict/ Quotes to ponder: “It's probably okay to use a higher initial withdrawal, but you use the rules because it's impossible to predict how the future unfolds.” “The reason the 4% rule works during recessions is because the 4% rule is based on the worst possible historical scenarios.” “Withdrawing that initial 4% incorporates someone who retires on the cusp of some financial nightmare: the depression, dot-com bubble, recent recession.” Episode references: Michael Kitces on the 4% Rule: https://www.kitces.com/blog/monte-carlo-analysis-risk-fat-tails-vs-safe-withdrawal-rates-rolling-historical-returns/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In the 190th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how artificial intelligence could reshape the industry—and why one possible outcome may not be as appealing as it seems. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 189th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how to support and guide clients when things feel uncertain. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
At the Exit Planning Institute CEPA Summit in Nashville, 1,200 credentialed advisors gathered in one room. The first night, they held an awards ceremony. Every single person who walked on stage had one thing in common. It wasn't their credentials, their AUM, or their years in practice. It was a book.Episode SummaryPaul and Gabe McManus just returned from four days in Nashville at the EPI CEPA Summit, where they presented the Authority Operating System to one of the most credentialed audiences in financial services. In this episode, they break down all five pillars of the AOS: writing the right book, activating clients and COIs, building a guest podcast tour, optimizing for search everywhere (not just Google), and leveraging AI without the slop. Real client stories throughout. Real results.About Paul & Gabe McManusPaul G. McManus is the CEO and founder of The Short Book Formula, a publishing company that has helped 500+ financial professionals write, publish, and leverage books over the past decade. He is the author of The Short Book Formula and Book Marketing for Financial Advisors, and was featured on Michael Kitces' Financial Advisor Success Podcast (Episode 417). Gabe McManus is Director of Elite Advisor Programs and author of Sharpen Your Message: Guest Podcasting for Financial Advisors.What We CoverWhy every award recipient at the Nashville CEPA Summit had a book, and what that pattern means for your practiceThe three objections every advisor raises before writing a book: "I'm not a writer," "I don't know what to write about," and "I don't have time" — answered directly and practicallyHow Joe Falbo spent 30 years trying to get CPA referrals, published one book, and ended his next lunch with that CPA ordering 500 copies to mail to his entire client list on his own letterheadHow Jason Wendt turned a book launch party on a yacht into a recurring financial commentary slot on NBC ChicagoWhy Google now accounts for only about 20% of search, and where the other 80% of your prospects are asking questionsThe difference between AI slop and using AI to genuinely extend your reach once the book existsWhy the book is the foundation: guest podcasting, media, COI referrals, and AI discoverability all start thereResources MentionedBook Marketing for Financial Advisors by Paul G. McManusSharpen Your Message: Guest Podcasting for Financial Advisors by Gabe McManusExit Planning Institute (EPI) — exit-planning-institute.orgThe Short Book FormulaConnect with Paul & GabeWebsite: influentialadvisor.comPaul on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/paulgmcmanusGabe on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/gabemcmanusSupport the show
In the 188th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss what steps advisors can begin taking today to position themselves for a successful sale in the future. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 187th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss the safeguards firms can put in place to protect themselves from legal risk, especially as they grow. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 186th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss effective ways to convey the real value of financial planning so it genuinely resonates with clients. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
On episode 455 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are live from Future Proof Citywide in Miami talking with Michael Kitces and Phil Huber about the wealth management business in the age of AI, the private credit crisis of confidence and a very special Animal Spirits roast. This episode is sponsored by Teucrium and Janus Henderson Investors. Find out more at https://teucrium.com/agricultural-commodity-etfs Learn more at https://www.janushenderson.com/ Sign up for The Compound newsletter and never miss out: thecompoundnews.com/subscribe Find complete show notes on our blogs: Ben Carlson's A Wealth of Common Sense Michael Batnick's The Irrelevant Investor Feel free to shoot us an email at animalspirits@thecompoundnews.com with any feedback, questions, recommendations, or ideas for future topics of conversation. Investing involves the risk of loss. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be or regarded as personalized investment advice or relied upon for investment decisions. Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are employees of Ritholtz Wealth Management and may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this video. All opinions expressed by them are solely their own opinion and do not reflect the opinion of Ritholtz Wealth Management. The Compound Media, Incorporated, an affiliate of Ritholtz Wealth Management, receives payment from various entities for advertisements in affiliated podcasts, blogs and emails. Inclusion of such advertisements does not constitute or imply endorsement, sponsorship or recommendation thereof, or any affiliation therewith, by the Content Creator or by Ritholtz Wealth Management or any of its employees. For additional advertisement disclaimers see here https://ritholtzwealth.com/advertising-disclaimers. Investments in securities involve the risk of loss. Any mention of a particular security and related performance data is not a recommendation to buy or sell that security. The information provided on this website (including any information that may be accessed through this website) is not directed at any investor or category of investors and is provided solely as general information. Obviously nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities. See our disclosures here: https://ritholtzwealth.com/podcast-youtube-disclosures/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In the 185th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss what clients truly value in their relationships with financial advisors. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
We are excited to welcome a friend of the show, Brent Sullivan of The Tax Alpha Insider. We discuss all things Tax Alpha as the investment puzzle is different when it comes to taxable investors. I have been fortunate to have known Brent since the very beginnings of his Tax Alpha Insider Newsletter, a highly successful, focused publication in the wealth management space. I often say that he could become the Michael Kitces of Tax Alpha. Brent is also behind the first Tax Alpha Conference, Basis Northwest, in Seattle on May 28th and 29th, which I will be attending. Brent has an interesting career background, both corporate and entrepreneurial. As mentioned before, he is the Founder of The Tax Alpha Insider, as well as the Basis Northwest Conference. He was also a Software Engineer at Parametric, who is the godfather of direct indexing. Before that, he worked in Investment Banking and Asset Management. Brent holds a Masters of Engineering from Cornell University (Financial Engineering/Statistics), as well as a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics from the University of California, Riverside. In this episode, we discuss all things Tax Alpha, as this is our first interview with Brent. We talk about the reasons he decided to launch this, why Tax Alpha is important now, and how this is one of the best times in history to be a taxable investor with all of the tools available. We discuss everything from householding/asset location, to direct indexing, to tax-aware long-short, buffer ETF's, 351 exchanges, advisor launched ETF's, assets that shouldn't be used for taxable investors, collars/variable prepaid forward contracts, heartbeat trades/ETF share classes, box loans, tax alpha as a volatility buffer, trader funds, etc. We also discuss the impact of AI on advisors and taxable investing, as well as taking the other side, why not just pay the taxes and keep things simple. Today's hosts are Steve Curley, CFA (Co-Managing Principal, 55 North Private Wealth) & co-host Chris Cannon, CFA (CIO/Principal, FirsTrust). Please enjoy the episode. You can follow us on Twitter & LinkedIn or at investorsfirstpodcast.com Learn more: https://www.taxalphainsider.com/ https://www.basisconf.com/
Summary: In this episode of PRess Play: The StreetCred Podcast, hosts Elena Krasnow and Jimmy Moock sit down with Shannon Spotswood, chief executive officer of RFG Advisory. Shannon takes us on an incredible ride, from her early fascination with Wall Street at age 14 to the pivotal career and life decisions that ultimately led her to the helm of RFG Advisory. She reflects on learning to get comfortable being uncomfortable, her dynamic experiences across hedge funds and investment banks and the decision to step away from finance entirely before embarking on building the RIA of the future in Birmingham, Alabama. We cover: How Shannon became so passionate about supported-independence for advisors Shannon's early formative experience working for a woman-led hedge fund Her move to Birmingham, Alabama and how that led to her favorite chapter of her career What makes Shannon tick and why she loves building from the ground up The importance of building a brand that is deeply tied to people's values …and much more! Don't miss this captivating conversation which reveals how each of these chapters shaped Shannon's leadership philosophy and her belief in building firms rooted in purpose, positivity and growth. Topics: (0:36) Meet Shannon Spotswood (1:33) What's for lunch? (1:45) The most perfect homemade granola (2:28) A creature of habit (2:59) You had me at hot honey (3:30) Saving her spirit of innovation for the business realm (5:42) How Shannon entered the industry (6:10) At age 14, she knew she wanted to be on Wall Street (8:25) The move to San Francisco to work at a hedge fund under one of the few female-led portfolio managers (9:00) Learning how to trade IPOs and model companies (9:40) The anti-Wallstreet Investment Bank, taking Netscape public (10:50) Dream job came knocking in her second hedge fund job (11:52) Learning how to get comfortable being uncomfortable (13:00) Hitting the wall and needing a change (14:00) Pivot into luxury children's clothing (14:45) Moving back to Birmingham, Alabama (15:40) What Shannon loves about building RFG (16:00) Whoever would have thought the RIA of the future would be born and built in Birmingham, Alabama (17:05) The thread that knit it all together (17:51) What makes her tick? (18:44) Seeking the intangible (19:49) “I am either all in or I'm out” (20:11) What it was like when Netscape went public (22:15) “Everyone on your team has to be a driver” (25:25) The importance of building a brand that people can connect with (25:50) What clients are looking for in their advisors (28:50) The biggest opportunities for advisors who want to grow in today's environment (29:00) “Stop undervaluing your time” (29:55) Michael Kitces map (30:42) The financial advisor's superpower (33:00) Lessons for those looking to find their voice and carve out their own path (34:00) Get over the imposter syndrome (36:00) Having a disproportionately positive impact on the industry, her partners and the world (38:10) The detriment behind procrastination (39:40) Mindset has a 24 hour shot clock on it (40:45) The power of momentum (41:58) Time for our Play segment! (42:35) Shannon would have run a commercial construction company (43:20) “I love any -ing” (44:16) Moment of gratitude Connect with StreetCred PR: Contact Us: https://streetcredpr.com/contact/ StreetCred PR Website: https://streetcredpr.com/ Elena Krasnow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-krasnow/ Jimmy Moock on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-moock-3103162/ StreetCred PR on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/streetcred-publicrelations/ Subscribe to PRess Play on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@StreetCredPR Connect with Shannon Spotswood: RFG Advisory: https://rfgadvisory.com/ Shannon Spotswood on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonspotswood/ About our Guest: Shannon Spotswood is a 25-year veteran of the financial services industry with experience spanning investment banking, hedge fund management, professional management and business development. As CEO of RFG Advisory, she leads RFG 2.0, the firm's fully integrated platform for independent advisors, and drives the strategic initiatives that power advisor growth. Since joining RFG in 2015, Shannon has blended her entrepreneurial background with a passion for building an innovative, advisor-focused RIA of the future—helping grow the firm from $1.2 billion to more than $7 billion in AUM. Publishing Tags: PRess Play, StreetCred PR, Podcast, Financial Journalism, Financial Media, Elena Krasnow, Jimmy Moock, Wealth Management, RIA, RIA of the Future, Supported Independence, Financial Advisors, Women in Leadership, Shannon Spotswood, RFG Advisory
In the 184th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how artificial intelligence has made content marketing simultaneously more accessible and more challenging than ever. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 183rd episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss whether it's more effective to give clients clear, step-by-step guidance or empower them to become the heroes of their own stories. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Estate planning sounds complicated, but it's a lot simpler than dealing with the mess of not having a plan. Because if you don't write one, the government will. In this episode, VP of Estate Planning at Carson Group, David Haughton, breaks down what it really costs families and business owners when they avoid estate planning. You'll learn why your estate plan shouldn't be a one-and-done document, the assets most people don't realize they have, and how the same tax-saving strategies you hear about billionaires using can work for you too. Topics discussed: Introduction (00:00) David's career and passion for estate planning (01:45) Why estate plans are important for everyone (05:57) Top things people need to know about estate planning (10:35) What business owners need to know about estate planning (14:15) David's asset-by-asset approach to dividing your estate (17:07) The billionaire estate tax saving strategy (20:53) How he uses humor to educate people on estate planning (25:00) Why Carson Group was the right fit (27:09) What brought you JOY today? (28:37) Resources: Sending your child to college will always be emotional but are you financially ready? Take the College Readiness Quiz for Parents: https://www.mitlinfinancial.com/college-readiness-quiz/ Doing your taxes might not be enJOYable but being more organized can make the process less painful. Get Your Gathering Your Tax Documents Checklist: https://www.mitlinfinancial.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Mitlin_ChecklistForGatheringYourTaxDocuments_Form_062424_v2.pdf Will you be able to enJOY the Retirement you envision? Take the Retirement Ready Quiz: https://www.mitlinfinancial.com/retirement-planning-quiz/ Connect with Larry Sprung: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lawrencesprung/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/larry_sprung/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LawrenceDSprung/ X (Twitter): https://x.com/Lawrence_Sprung Connect with David Haughton: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-haughton-jd-cpwa%C2%AE-2286396a/ Website: https://www.carsongroup.com About Our Guest: David Haughton is the VP of Estate Planning at Carson Group. He helps advisors and high-net-worth families turn complex estate and tax planning challenges into clear, actionable strategies. He was a former Senior Corporate Counsel at Wealth.com - the industry's leading estate planning technology solution for financial professionals. He is also a frequent speaker and writer on financial planning topics, including being featured in such publications as Michael Kitces' Nerd's Eye View blog, the Journal of Financial Planning, and InvestmentNews. Prior to joining Wealth, he worked for Commonwealth Financial Network - helping to provide thought leadership and financial planning support for advisors - including estate, trust, charitable, education, business, and social security planning strategies. To start his career, he was an attorney in private practice in Massachusetts and Southern New Hampshire. He has experience representing individuals and companies in bankruptcy, as well as engaging with many other general practice areas. For the latter part of his career in private practice, he exclusively practiced in the areas of elder law and estate planning and administration. Disclosure: Guests on the Mitlin Money Mindset are not affiliated with CWM, LLC, and opinions expressed herein may not be representative of CWM, LLC. CWM, LLC is not responsible for the guest's content linked on this site. This episode was produced by Podcast Boutique https://www.podcastboutique.com
Markets may still enjoy short-term momentum, but long-term retirement planning must confront a different reality: elevated valuations, lower forward returns, and rising sequence-of-returns risk. Richard Rosso explains why retirees face a near-term tailwind in market returns—but potentially long-term secular stagnation that demands tighter portfolio guardrails. Drawing on research from Michael Kitces and Wade D. Pfau, we discuss why historically tested retirement income strategies matter more today than at any point in the last two decades. Rich breaks down: Why short-term market strength can be dangerous for new retirees How sequence-of-returns risk dominates the first 10–15 years of retirement Why portfolios need rules and guardrails, not static allocations How retirees over the last 3–5 years should consider “goal scooping” after strong market gains Why taxes still materially affect retirement income sustainability How to mentally and emotionally prepare for inevitable market volatility At RIA, we use valuation-based planning, forward-return assumptions, and behavioral coaching to help retirees avoid forced selling, manage withdrawals, and maintain confidence through changing market cycles. Retirement is not static—and neither is risk. This is about preparing before markets test your plan. 0:00 - INTRO 0:19 - Managing Retirement Income when Markets are Expensive 2:21 - Time Correction of Markets 3:59 - When Valuations Matter 5:52 - Being Prepared for Stagnation 15:04 - How to Battle Stagnation in Retirement 18:37 - Goal Scooping for Retirees 20:51 - Making Sure of Guaranteed Income 24:32 - Determining Personal Rate of Return Hosted by RIA Advisors Director of Financial Planning, Richard Rosso, CFP Produced by Brent Clanton, Executive Producer ------- Watch Today's Full Video on our YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/live/5MX3c-VM-n0?feature=share ------- Watch our previous show, "1-29-26 Market Risks Behind Powell's “Nonrestrictive” Stance," here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vX2vPQQp28 -------- The latest installment of our new feature, Before the Bell, "Markets Stall at 7,000: Breakout or Bull Trap?" is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meTHta-tC1o&list=PLwNgo56zE4RAbkqxgdj-8GOvjZTp9_Zlz&index=1 ------- Get more info & commentary: https://realinvestm entadvice.com/newsletter/ -------- SUBSCRIBE to The Real Investment Show here: http://www.youtube.com/c/TheRealInvestmentShow -------- Visit our Site: https://www.realinvestmentadvice.com Contact Us: 1-855-RIA-PLAN -------- Subscribe to SimpleVisor: https://www.simplevisor.com/register-new -------- Connect with us on social: https://twitter.com/RealInvAdvice https://twitter.com/LanceRoberts https://www.facebook.com/RealInvestmentAdvice/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/realinvestmentadvice/ #RetirementIncome #MarketValuations #SequenceOfReturns #FinancialPlanning
Markets may still enjoy short-term momentum, but long-term retirement planning must confront a different reality: elevated valuations, lower forward returns, and rising sequence-of-returns risk. Richard Rosso explains why retirees face a near-term tailwind in market returns—but potentially long-term secular stagnation that demands tighter portfolio guardrails. Drawing on research from Michael Kitces and Wade D. Pfau, we discuss why historically tested retirement income strategies matter more today than at any point in the last two decades. Rich breaks down: Why short-term market strength can be dangerous for new retirees How sequence-of-returns risk dominates the first 10–15 years of retirement Why portfolios need rules and guardrails, not static allocations How retirees over the last 3–5 years should consider "goal scooping" after strong market gains Why taxes still materially affect retirement income sustainability How to mentally and emotionally prepare for inevitable market volatility At RIA, we use valuation-based planning, forward-return assumptions, and behavioral coaching to help retirees avoid forced selling, manage withdrawals, and maintain confidence through changing market cycles. Retirement is not static—and neither is risk. This is about preparing before markets test your plan. 0:00 - INTRO 0:19 - Managing Retirement Income when Markets are Expensive 2:21 - Time Correction of Markets 3:59 - When Valuations Matter 5:52 - Being Prepared for Stagnation 15:04 - How to Battle Stagnation in Retirement 18:37 - Goal Scooping for Retirees 20:51 - Making Sure of Guaranteed Income 24:32 - Determining Personal Rate of Return Hosted by RIA Advisors Director of Financial Planning, Richard Rosso, CFP Produced by Brent Clanton, Executive Producer ------- Watch Today's Full Video on our YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/live/5MX3c-VM-n0?feature=share ------- Watch our previous show, "1-29-26 Market Risks Behind Powell's "Nonrestrictive" Stance," here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vX2vPQQp28 -------- The latest installment of our new feature, Before the Bell, "Markets Stall at 7,000: Breakout or Bull Trap?" is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meTHta-tC1o&list=PLwNgo56zE4RAbkqxgdj-8GOvjZTp9_Zlz&index=1 ------- Get more info & commentary: https://realinvestm entadvice.com/newsletter/ -------- SUBSCRIBE to The Real Investment Show here: http://www.youtube.com/c/TheRealInvestmentShow -------- Visit our Site: https://www.realinvestmentadvice.com Contact Us: 1-855-RIA-PLAN -------- Subscribe to SimpleVisor: https://www.simplevisor.com/register-new -------- Connect with us on social: https://twitter.com/RealInvAdvice https://twitter.com/LanceRoberts https://www.facebook.com/RealInvestmentAdvice/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/realinvestmentadvice/ #RetirementIncome #MarketValuations #SequenceOfReturns #FinancialPlanning
In the 182nd episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss the happiest time in an advisor's career—and how that may be fueling the industry's succession planning gap. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Our guests on the podcast today are Cody Garrett and Sean Mullaney. They're both advice-only financial planners, and they're the co-authors of a new book called Tax Planning To and Through Early Retirement. Cody is a certified financial planner and the founder of Measure Twice Money, where he helped DIY investors make informed decisions aligned with their values. He also leads Measure Twice Planners, which is an educational community for financial planners. Sean Mullaney is a certified public accountant and head of Mullaney Financial & Tax. He also writes the blog, FITaxGuy.com, which is focused on the intersection between financial independence and taxes.BackgroundSean MullaneyCody GarrettMeasure Twice MoneyMeasure Twice FinancialMeasure Twice PlannersMullaney Financial & TaxFITaxGuy.comTax Planning and Early RetirementTax Planning To and Through Early Retirement, by Cody Garrett and Sean Mullaney“The Backdoor Roth IRA After an Excess Contribution to a Roth IRA,” Sean Mullaney, FITaxGuy.com, Dec 16, 2025“Why I Don't Worry Much About Sequence of Returns Risk,” Sean Mullaney, FITaxGuy.com, Jun 10, 2025“The Tax Planning World Has Changed,” by Sean Mullaney, FITaxGuy.com, Sep. 22, 2025“Bogleheads on Investing® with Cody Garrett, CFP®, and Sean Mullaney, CPA on tax planning to and through retirement: Episode 89″ by Bogleheads on Investing® podcast, BogleCenter.net, Dec. 7, 2025“Managing Taxes in Retirement with Sean Mullaney,” by the White Coat Investor Podcast, WhiteCoatInvestor.com, Nov 20, 2025.Die With Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life―A Revolutionary Approach to Maximizing Life Experiences Over Accumulating Wealth, by Bill Perkins“Reframing Risk In Retirement As “Over- And Under-Spending” To Better Communicate Decisions To Clients, And Finding “Best Guess” Spending Level,” by Michael Kitces, Kitces.com, Apr. 24 2024.More on Early Retirement and FIRE“My Baptism by FIRE: Lessons on Financial Independence,” by Christine Benz, Morningstar.com, May 29, 2025.“Aiming to ‘Die with Zero'? Here Are the Implications for Portfolio Construction and Retirement Spending,” by Jess Bebel, Morningstar.com, Apri. 6, 2025"Derek Tharp: An Alternative Approach to Calculating In-Retirement Withdrawals," The Long View podcast, Morningstar.com, Feb. 21, 2023 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
In the 181st episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how to thoughtfully address client fears and uncertainties about the rapidly evolving AI landscape. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In this episode we conduct our annual portfolio reviews of our eight sample portfolios you can find at Portfolios | Risk Parity Radio, and compare them with commercial alternatives. We discuss why factors beat geography, and explain how gold, bonds, and managed futures improved results and withdrawal durability.We also confront the real roadblock to a good retirement: underspending driven by identity and fear, which we heard about in 2025 from Bill Bengen, Michael Kitces and Carl Richards, Morgan Housel and David Bach, among others.Breathless Unedited AI-Bot Summary:The biggest retirement risk most prepared savers face isn't market volatility—it's not spending enough. We dig into why identity and fear keep people stuck in “I am a saver” mode, and how to break that habit with a portfolio built for higher, safer withdrawals. Then we open the books on eight sample portfolios and share what actually worked in 2025: factor-driven international exposure, a powerful year for gold, the yield curve's shift favoring intermediate bonds, and a split decision for managed futures where DBMF led.You'll hear how the Golden Butterfly and Golden Ratio outperformed classic 60/40 approaches by leaning on uncorrelated return drivers, and why DIY risk parity designs can match or beat commercial funds at lower cost. We walk through the conservative All Seasons mix, the diversified Risk Parity Ultimate, and two leverage case studies: one that shows how leverage without real diversification can disappoint, and another that demonstrates smart “return stacking” with OPTRA—combining modest leverage, gold, value tilts, and managed futures for equity-like returns with a steadier ride.Along the way, we connect portfolio choices to what matters most: turning savings into a life well-lived over the next decade. A candid listener story reminds us that time is finite, and that a better withdrawal rate is not a luxury—it's a plan for joy, relationships, and experiences now. If you've wondered whether your mix underuses factors, overlooks gold, or over-relies on 60/40 assumptions, this is your field guide to a sturdier, more generous retirement strategy.If this resonates, tap follow, share it with a friend who needs a nudge to spend confidently, and leave a quick review with your biggest portfolio question. Your next ten years will thank you.Support the show
In the 180th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss the four sources of capital—and how the way you use them reveals your true priorities versus your stated ones. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 179th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss the common angst advisors feel about the idea of their associate advisors eventually leaving to build teams of their own. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3376: Nick Maggiulli unpacks how wealthy individuals allocate their assets, revealing that investment strategies often depend more on access and status than on performance alone. While ultra-wealthy investors lean heavily into alternatives like private equity and hedge funds, this typically happens after wealth is accumulated, not as the path to it, offering a crucial reminder to focus on what works for your own situation rather than mimicking the elite. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://ofdollarsanddata.com/how-do-the-wealthy-invest/ Quotes to ponder: "Try not to forget that the wealthiest 10% of Americans own nearly 90% of all U.S. stocks!" “Not all investing is about money, sometimes it's about status too.” “There are many ways to preserve and grow your wealth. The hard part is finding what works best for you.” Episode references: Michael Kitces: https://www.kitces.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Running a successful, value-adding practice consists of a lot of moving pieces. It takes hard work, focus, and accountability. Matthew's guest today is someone who has been contributing to this industry in a massive way for a long time now and is someone many in the financial realm look up to for advice. Michael Kitces is the Head of Planning Strategy for Buckingham Wealth Partners, as well as the co-founder of the XY Planning Network, AdvicePay, fpPathfinder, and New Planner Recruiting—just to name a few. In this episode, Michael and Matthew discuss their advice for building a sustainable and sizeable practice, including what mindset you need to have to make this model work. Listen in as Michael explains how to build a thriving community filled with people who share the same values and business mentality as you. You will learn the benefit of focusing your practice on a specific niche, which niches may not actually work for a financial advisor, and how to deliver unique massive value. This could be the year you make a huge impact on the world, and Michael will explain exactly which steps you can take to accomplish that. Encore Episode:The Godfather: Michael Kitces Resources in today's episode: - Matt Jarvis: Website | LinkedIn- Michael Kitces: LinkedIn | Twitter | Website - Learn More about our Coaching Programs
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3376: Nick Maggiulli unpacks how wealthy individuals allocate their assets, revealing that investment strategies often depend more on access and status than on performance alone. While ultra-wealthy investors lean heavily into alternatives like private equity and hedge funds, this typically happens after wealth is accumulated, not as the path to it, offering a crucial reminder to focus on what works for your own situation rather than mimicking the elite. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://ofdollarsanddata.com/how-do-the-wealthy-invest/ Quotes to ponder: "Try not to forget that the wealthiest 10% of Americans own nearly 90% of all U.S. stocks!" “Not all investing is about money, sometimes it's about status too.” “There are many ways to preserve and grow your wealth. The hard part is finding what works best for you.” Episode references: Michael Kitces: https://www.kitces.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In this episode we answer emails from Patrick, Kyle, and Dave. We discuss the advantages of using risk parity style portfolios for higher withdrawal rates, how to manage a sleeve of individual REITs, the joys of giving in its various forms, a risk parity style portfolio in a Donor Advised Fund, and reverse glide paths. We share how planned generosity, donor-advised funds, and employer matches can make retirement more meaningful.Links:Father McKenna Center Donation Page: Donate - Father McKenna CenterKitces & Carl podcast about "Frugal Bob": Helping Retired Clients To Actually Start Spending And Enjoying Their Money - Kitces & Carl Ep 178Bigger Pockets Money Test Risk Parity Style Portfolio: We Built a 5% SWR Retirement Portfolio Using Fidelity in 48 Minutes (Golden Ratio Portfolio)Choose FI Podcast #574: Top Five Regrets of the Dying (Book Club with Frank Vasquez and Ginger) | Ep 574Kitces Reverse Glidepath Article: The Benefits Of A Rising Equity Glidepath In RetirementBreathless AI-Bot Summary:Most retirees don't fail because they spend too much; they struggle because their portfolios weren't built for withdrawals. We unpack how risk parity, smarter rebalancing, and a reverse glide path can protect early-retirement years while keeping growth on the table. Along the way, we share listener stories that show what happens when a 100% stock believer embraces diversification and discovers the joy of giving—through donor-advised funds, employer matches, and a simple plan to distribute one percent or more each year.We start with a real allocation shift: blending large growth, small value, long Treasuries, gold, managed futures, and a small sleeve of REITs to reduce sequence risk. Then we get tactical. For individual REIT holdings, we treat the sleeve as one allocation and only rebalance when the sleeve moves versus the rest of the portfolio. Inside the sleeve, focus on outliers—trim oversized winners, reassess laggards with deteriorating stories—and keep transactions light to minimize taxes and churn.The heart of the episode explores how generosity reshapes retirement planning. Using a donor-advised fund to “stress test” withdrawals at high rates teaches mechanics and builds confidence, while employer matching turns donations into leveraged impact. We talk practical tools—automating gifts, donating appreciated shares, setting “use-by” dates on giving accounts—and nontraditional forms of giving that create work, support local businesses, and deepen relationships.We close by breaking down the reverse glide path championed by Michael Kitces and echoed by Bill Bengen: start retirement with lower equity exposure and increase it over time. Our working template moves from the low 40% equity range toward 60–70% as years pass—an evidence-informed band that historically supports higher safe withdrawal rates and tamps down sequence risk. Paired with risk parity diversification and a deliberate giving plan, it's a path that funds a life you actually want to live.Support the show
In the 178th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss why many retirees struggle to spend the money they spent a lifetime saving—and how advisors can help. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 177th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss why learning to say "no" can be game-changing—and how to do it without all the guilt. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 176th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how to support clients who need financial guidance but can't afford traditional advisory fees. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Hi, and welcome to The Long View. I'm Christine Benz, director of personal finance and retirement planning for Morningstar. Today on the podcast we welcome back Carl Richards, who's the author of a new book called Your Money: Reimagining Wealth in 101 Simple Sketches. His previous books, The Behavior Gap and The One-Page Financial Plan, were both bestsellers. Carl started the Sketch Guide column in The New York Times and it ran weekly for a decade. Carl is a certified financial planner, and he started the Society of Advice, which is a community of financial planners dedicated to the craft of advice. In addition, Carl is active on the podcast circuit. He hosts Behavior Gap Radio, as well as a podcast called 50 Fires: Money and Meaning with Carl Richards. Carl also co-hosts a podcast with Michael Kitces called Kitces & Carl - Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors.BackgroundBioThe Society of AdviceBehavior Gap Radio50 Fires: A Podcast About Money and MeaningKitces & Carl – Real Talk for Real Financial Advisors“Carl Richards: ‘Less Focus on Being a Little Less Wrong Tomorrow,'” The Long View podcast, Morningstar.com, May 13, 2020.“Carl Richards: It Should Be OK to Relax Out Loud,” The Long View podcast, Morningstar.com, July 27, 2021.BooksYour Money: Reimagining Wealth in 101 Simple SketchesThe Behavior Gap: Simple Ways to Stop Doing Dumb Things With MoneyThe One-Page Financial Plan: A Simple Way to Be Smart About Your MoneySketches and PodcastsThe Magic Certainty Button“Visual Sketches as Conversation Starters to Help Clients Make Better Financial Decisions,” Kitces & Carl podcast, Episode 175, kitces.com, Oct. 16, 2025.Where to Place Your Focus“Is There a Future of Financial Planning in the AI Era?” Kitces & Carl podcast, Episode 169, kitces.com, July 24, 2025.Other“Brian Portnoy: Balancing Returns With Simplicity, Financial Independence, and Peace of Mind,” The Long View podcast, Morningstar.com, Sept. 29, 2020.“Why We Spend the Way We Do With Gretchen Rubin,” 50 Fires podcast with Carl Richards, 50fires.com, May 28, 2025.Paige Pritchard“Money, Family, and Meaningful Work With Jodi Kantor and Rob Lieber,” 50 Fires podcast with Carl Richards, 50fires.com, Sept. 18, 2024.Morgan HouselZero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future, by Peter ThielVollebak Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
In the 175th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how sketches can spark more meaningful money conversations. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3317: Darrow Kirkpatrick explores the two dominant schools of retirement income planning: probability-based strategies, which rely on investment growth and withdrawal methods, and safety-first approaches, which prioritize guaranteed income through annuities or bonds. He highlights the strengths and pitfalls of each, noting that the most practical solution for many retirees is often a thoughtful combination of both philosophies. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://www.caniretireyet.com/are-you-feeling-lucky-the-two-schools-of-retirement-income/ Quotes to ponder: "In the safety-first philosophy, you, or a financial planner, match guaranteed income to essential expenses." "A failure probability in the neighborhood of 10% is often considered acceptable. That's one chance in ten." "Failure is defined as running out of money before running out of life." Episode references: Michael Kitces: https://www.kitces.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Alan Moore and Michael Kitces share nine years of XYPN benchmarking insights live from XYPN LIVE 2025. From year-one challenges to fee strategies, hiring, and the value of CFP® certification, this episode gives a candid, data-driven look at what works (and what doesn't) when growing a fee-only firm.
In the 174th episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss what they'd say if they could talk directly to money—and what money might say back. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
In the 173rd episode of Kitces and Carl, Michael Kitces and client communication expert Carl Richards discuss how to handle receiving the "soft no" after meeting with a client who seems like a great fit. For full show notes, see kitces.com and thesocietyofadvice.com.
#243: Discover smarter strategies to grow your wealth and create financial flexibility. We dive into when it makes sense to invest beyond retirement accounts, how to access savings early through Roth conversions and 72(t) distributions, ways to reduce taxes with HSAs, tax-advantaged accounts, and charity, and so much more. Michael Kitces is the Head of Planning Strategy at Focus Partners Wealth, co-founder of XYPN and publisher of a continuing education blog for financial planners, Nerd's Eye View. Link to Full Show Notes: https://chrishutchins.com/smarter-savings-retirement-michael-kitces Partner Deals Mercury: Help your business grow with simplified finances Oceans: Best proactive global talent to level up your work and life OpenPhone: 20% off the first 6 months of your own business phone system DeleteMe: 20% off removing your personal info from the web Gelt: Skip the waitlist on personalized tax guidance to maximize your wealth For all the deals, discounts and promo codes from our partners, go to: chrishutchins.com/deals Resources Mentioned Michael Kitces: Website | Focus Partners Wealth | XYPN Blog Posts The Four Phases Of Saving And Investing For Retirement 3 Types Of Retirement And Their Very Different Savings Strategies Supplemental Saving In An HSA For Retiree Medical Expenses IRA Aggregation Rule And Pro-Rata IRA Taxation Effective Backdoor Roth Strategy: Rules, IRS Form 8606 Strategies For Maximizing (Or Minimizing!) Rule 72(t) Early Distribution Payments Systematic Partial Roth Conversions & Recharacterizations 72t Distribution Calculator ATH Podcast Submit questions for AMA Leave a review: Apple Podcasts | Spotify Email for questions, hacks, deals, and feedback: podcast@allthehacks.com Full Show Notes (00:00) Introduction (00:53) Should You Max Out Your Retirement Accounts? (05:08) Investing in Your Career as a High-Return Strategy (09:55) Saving in a Taxable Account vs. Retirement Account (13:40) Tax Advantages of a Retirement Account vs. Brokerage Account (16:19) How to Think About Emergency Savings (18:06) Choosing the Best Retirement Accounts (24:21) Reimbursing Medical Expenses via HSA (27:02) Evaluating the Core Retirement Accounts (29:19) Nuances of the Backdoor Roth IRA (30:53) Traditional vs. Roth IRA (32:12) Why the Majority Shouldn't Worry About Tax Brackets (36:58) Roth Conversions in Low-Income Years (Sabbaticals) (39:52) Consolidating and Managing Old 401(k)s (42:05) Can You Access Retirement Funds via Roth Conversions? (42:44) Why Michael Doesn't Practice Roth Conversions Before Retirement (45:36) The Rules for 72(t) Distributions (48:35) Tackling the Account Sequencing Problem (52:16) Leveraging Charity for Tax Deductions (53:58) What Happens When You Leave Money to Your Kids (1:00:43) Where to Find Michael, His Work and Services Connect with Chris Newsletter | Membership | X | Instagram | LinkedIn Editor's Note: The content on this page is accurate as of the posting date; however, some of our partner offers may have expired. Opinions expressed here are the author's alone, not those of any bank, credit card issuer, hotel, airline, or other entity. This content has not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of the entities included within the post. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices