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In this episode of China-MENA, titled "China's Challenging Role in US Policy in MENA," join our host Jonathan Fulton featuring Dana Stroul, director of research and senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, as they explore China's evolving role and its impact on US policy in the Middle East and North Africa. This episode delves into global partnerships like the US-UAE-G42-Microsoft collaboration, the strategic significance of 5G technology and cloud computing, and the economic factors supporting Iran. Dana also discusses the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum and recent geopolitical events.Join us for an insightful discussion on the future of US and allied strategies in the region.TakeawaysUS vs. China in Regional InfluenceImportance of International OrderUS Strategic PartnershipsChina's Regional ImpactQuotes"China, as the sole competitor shaping the global order, inspires us to uphold equity, cooperation, and shared prosperity." - Dana Stroul“The importance of the Rules-Based International Order lies in preventing unilateral changes or use of force to alter recognized boundaries" - Dana StroulFeatured in the EpisodeDana StroulResearch Director, The Washington Institute for Near East PolicyGuest LinkedIn: Dana Stroul | LinkedInJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction03:51 - Navigating Biden's China Challenge in the Middle East08:46 - Safeguarding Strategic Partnerships Amidst China's Rise11:41 - Exploring China's Economic Development15:00 - Contrasting US and China Infrastructure Support20:19 - Assessing China's Trade Influence22:23 - Impact of the International Order on Gulf Economies24:30 - Insights from the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum29:18 - China's Prioritization of its Immediate Periphery34:04 - Cooperation and Countering Iran's Influence38:19 - Iran's Behavior Changes and China's Role39:51 - Evading Sanctions: Iran, Russia, and China42:22 - Outro

In this episode of China-MENA, titled “From the Red Sea to the Indo-Pacific: Expanding Cooperation Between the Gulf and Asia," host Jonathan Fulton engages in a compelling conversation with Dr. Hasan Alhasan, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. They discuss China's role in Saudi Arabia's energy sectors, the impact of Indian and Chinese diasporas in the UAE, and India's naval presence in the Gulf. Dr. Alhasan also explores the Gulf States' views on the Indo-Pacific, defense and geoeconomic priorities, and the influence of the US, China, and India on Gulf alliances.Join us to understand how Gulf-Asia cooperation addresses future challenges and opportunities, from the Red Sea to the Indo-Pacific and beyond.TakeawaysChinese Involvement in the GulfRegional Geopolitical TensionsIndo-Pacific and Global Power DynamicsQuotes“'A realm where defense and geoeconomics distinctively part ways, shaping unique alliances and rivalries.” - Dr. Hasan Alhasan“The Gulf States perceive the varied and vibrant Indo-Pacific through the distinct lens of their own interests, seizing each opportunity uniquely.” - Dr. Hasan AlhasanFeatured in the EpisodeDr. Hasan AlhasanSenior Fellow for Middle East Policy at the IISSGuest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hasan-t-alhasanGuest Website: Dr Hasan AlhasanJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction01:53 - Exploring Gulf-Asia Economic Ties.04:07 - Gulf States' Quest for Global Indispensability.07:41 - Saudi Arabia's Drive for Economic Influence.11:48 - India's Leadership in the Global South.14:49 - Gulf States' Strategic Engagements with China, India.18:28 - India's Naval Strategy and Evacuations.23:02 - Gulf States' Distanced Relationship with Asia.27:11 - Regional Competition and Strategic Shifts.31:34- India Expands Indo-Pacific Framework.35:43 - Assessing Indo-Pacific's Impact on Gulf Security.40:43 - Geoeconomics and Alliance Dynamics.43:43 - Gulf States Prefer US AI, Diverse Partnerships.45:58 - OutroPowered by Heartcast Media

In this episode of China-MENA titled “The View from New Delhi: Can IMEC rival China's Belt and Road?”, our host Jonathan Fulton and guests Ambassador Navdeep Suri and expert Kabir Taneja explore the India, Middle East, Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC) and its ties to China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). We unravel India's significant strategic interests in the Middle East and how these regions perceive India's expanded role in driving economic prosperity and enhancing regional security. Join us for an enlightening conversation that bridges continents and cultures on the China MENA podcast.TakeawaysIndia, Middle East, Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC)India's Strategic Interests in the Middle EastRegional Dynamics and Diplomatic EngagementsQuotes“IMEC propels us towards future-proof economies, blending technology and energy integration.” - Navdeep Suri "The geopolitical dynamics of the Middle East offer both a landscape of opportunities and a complex set of challenges for India."- Kabir Taneja Featured in the EpisodeNavdeep SuriFormer Ambassador of India to UAE & Egypt, High Commissioner to AustraliaGuest LinkedIn: https://in.linkedin.com/in/navdeep-suri-2930452bGuest Website:  Navdeep SuriKabir TanejaFellow Strategic Studies Program, Observer Research FoundationGuest LinkedIn: https://in.linkedin.com/in/kabirtanejaJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction01:39 - Geopolitical and Geoeconomic Considerations03:16 - Challenges and Ongoing Interest07:17 - IMEC's Focus on Technology in Transportation11:28 - Economic Growth in Gulf Linked to India14:11 - Growing Strategic Relationships in UAE, Saudi Arabia17:55 - Exploring Potential Funding Sources19:11 - Positive Momentum in the Region25:12 - India's Role in Global Supply Chains29:51 - Risk Distribution and US-China Contest31:11 - Outro

In this episode, China vs the IMEC Corridor in the Middle East, Dr. Jean-Loup Samaan from the Middle East Institute of the National University of Singapore joins to discuss minilateral initiatives' impacts in the region. Explore the ongoing significance of the International Maritime Exercise (IMEC), Israel's post-Gaza war role, and complexities of regional dynamics. Unpack France's strategic trilateral partnership with the UAE and India to navigate tensions with China. Join us for a deep dive into these shifts, evaluating their implications on alliances and power balance in the Middle East on China-Mena.Takeaways:International Maritime Exercise Initiative (IMEC) and Geopolitical ContextFrance's Strategic Involvement in IMECUncertainties Surrounding IMECQuotes"The benefit of mini laterals is creating new discussion mechanisms among countries, crucial in regions like the Middle East lacking strong security frameworks."-Jean-Loup Samaan“The introduction of new methods brings hope and progress in the absence of a strong security structure.."-Jean-Loup SamaanFeatured in the EpisodeDr. Jean-Loup SamaanLinkedin: https://sg.linkedin.com/in/jean-loup-samaan-512a782Website: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jean-loup-samaan/Jonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction00:23 - Exploring Middle East Mini Laterals05:41 - Analyzing the US-led I2U2 Initiative06:58 - Middle Eastern Caution Towards a New Quad11:28 - Research Challenges in a Changing Middle East15:04 - Jordan's Vital Role in Regional Stability18:37 - Unpacking China's Regional Influence23:35 - Shifting Foreign Policies Amid US-China Competition26:31 - Innovations in Security via Mini Laterals30:08 - Insights on Middle Eastern Politics and China's Responses35:28 - UAE and India: Infrastructural Investments and Rebranding38:27 - Issues with IMEC Format and Financing Concerns40:24 - Uncertainties Surrounding Israel's Role43:12 - Outro

Join us on China-Mena as we delve into Xi Jinping's political philosophy and its effects on the Middle East and North Africa. Discover Xi's global vision, autocratic alliances, and conflicts with leaders like India's Modi. With expert insights from Steve Zhang, we'll unravel Xi Jinping Thought, explore the Belt and Road Initiative, and China's diplomatic strategies. Delve into power dynamics, internal party debates, and Xi Jinping's quest for superpower status, exploring its impact on the MENA region.Takeaways:Xi Jinping's Vision versus Other Global South LeadersChina's Redefinition of International OrderThe Ideology of Xi Jinping ThoughtGlobal Diplomacy and Foreign Policy under Xi JinpingBelt and Road Initiative and Global South RelationsQuotes"Let's aim to radiate beauty, not just for ourselves but for the Global South and the world. - Steve Tsang"Embrace and uphold Xi's leadership and political thought, fostering unity and determination, even in discomfort." - Steve TsangFeatured in the EpisodeSteve TsangDirector of the SOAS China InstituteLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-tsang-3b937012/Website: https://www.soas.ac.uk/about/steve-tsangJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction04:17 - China's political evolution under Mao and beyond.09:16 - Evolving Chinese economic system: state vs private.12:19 - Xi Jinping requires widespread support for his ideology.14:39 - Xi Jinping's vision: unity, control, national rejuvenation.21:32 - Xi Jinping aims to reshape global power dynamics.24:07 - China leading democratization of international order, global South.29:58 - Overview of China's global engagement and state-centric approach.34:03 - Global South: diverse, India-China tension, leadership struggle.39:15 - Navigating Soft Power and Wolf Warrior Diplomacy Under Xi Jinping44:58 - Steering China's Assertive Stance and Western Relations49:10 - Outro

Join us as we dive deep into China's maritime dynamics with Isaac B. Kardon, a top expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Isaac's expertise in maritime disputes, global port development, and PLA activities sheds light on China's evolving role in shaping international waters.Discover Isaac's groundbreaking book on China's maritime strategies and delve into his research on China's impact beyond its shores. Uncover China's ambitions in global waters, from deep-sea mining to infrastructure development with dual implications.Tune in for an engaging discussion on China's maritime might and its implications for the global order.Takeaways:China's Maritime ExpansionGlobal Maritime StrategyMaritime Capabilities and International Maritime OrderNaval Presence in the Middle EastCommercial Ports and Industrial ParksGeopolitical ImplicationsQuotes"The power differentials have become significantly important. It has made your ability to resort to international law as a regional actor less effective and more diluted." - Isaac B. Kardon"China is heavily invested in transportation infrastructure due to its economic priorities as the world's largest trading nation."-Isaac B. KardonFeatured in the EpisodeIsaac B. KardonSenior Fellow For China Studies At The Carnegie Endowment For International PeaceLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaac-b-kardon-7ba90416/Website: https://www.isaacbkardon.com/Jonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction07:08 - Disrupting Norms: China's Impact on the International Maritime Order11:17 - Probing Regional Responses to China's13:26 - Delving into China's Emphasis on Sovereignty Concerns18:42 - Shifting Tides: Increasing PLA Deployments and Global Dynamics20:14 - Navigating Challenges: China's Maritime Interests and Complexities24:58 - The Precarious Balance: China's Posture Changes and Potential Conflicts28:05 - Strategic Stronghold: Djibouti's Significance in Chinese Diplomacy30:25 - Bridging the Divide: Chinese Perspectives on Overseas Actions34:56 - Anticipating Support: Political and Security Pathways for China39:50 - Economic Priorities: Balancing Development and Security in China44:05 - Strategic Insights: Evaluating Military Missions and Facilities45:27 - Tactical Transactions: Chinese Military Utilization of Commercial Spaces47:49 - Outro

Welcome back to the China-Mena podcast! In today's episode, titled "Middle East Instability: A Chinese Perspective," our host Jonathan Fulton and guest Chuchu Zhang explore China's evolving role in the region. They discuss recent events, including the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and China's growing presence, and how these shape China's approach to the Middle East. Gain valuable insights into the complex geopolitical landscape and global power dynamics. Get ready for a thought-provoking discussion!TakeawaysChinese View of Palestinian-Israeli ConflictTesting US Hegemony in the Middle EastOverlapping Interests with the United StatesMiddle Eastern Actors' Diversification of PartnershipsConcerns About Regional Stability and ConflictQuotes"The reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and Iran reminds us that sectarian confrontation in the region is not inevitable, transcending the need to highlight China's greatness." - Chuchu Zhang"There are common interests promoting peace, but it's not a comprehensive solution to all problems. Yet, there is another perspective on promoting peace through development." - Chuchu ZhangFeatured in the EpisodeChuchu ZhangAssociate Professor of International Relations in the School of International Relations and Public Affairs at Fudan UniversityJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction00:26 - Analyzing China's Role in the Middle East - Insights from an Expert04:28 - China's Collaboration in Belt and Road Development08:38 - Exploring China's Growing Involvement in Middle Eastern Affairs12:44 - Spotlight on Current Middle East-China Relations16:01 - The Rising Importance of the Middle East18:42 - Examining US-Israel Goals, China's Concerns, and Global Impact20:46 - Chinese Leaders' Perspectives on a US-Centered Middle East24:07 - Unpacking China's Presence in the Middle East and Its Implications27:44 - Proxy Warfare, Non-State Actors, and China's Dilemma Summarized30:57 - Major Powers' Engagement with Armed Groups35:26 - China's Preference for Bilateral Relations in the Middle East39:58 - Debating the Interpretation of China's Regional Cooperation Proposal41:19 - Seeking Flexibility: China's and Middle East's Mutual Goal44:25 - Outro

Welcome to the China-Mena podcast, where we explore China's foreign policy in the Middle East and North Africa. In this episode, host Jonathan Fulton and guest Kerry Brown discuss the domestic drivers shaping China's international engagements. They unravel the complexities of China's internal landscape, including the middle class aspirations and the impact of Xi Jinping's leadership. They also analyze China's growing influence in the Middle East, shedding light on its diplomatic decision-making and potential implications for the region. Join us for a thought-provoking exploration of China's foreign policy strategy and domestic underpinnings.TakeawaysChina's Domestic Drivers of Foreign Policy in MENAChina's Core Interests and Soft Power Projection in MENAChina's Global Role and Soft Power ChallengesChina's Influence in the Middle East and Domestic Influences on Foreign PolicyQuotes"It's strange how China tries to change public opinion while facing an image problem. People love their cuisine and kung fu, but the political system makes it challenging for them to win hearts."- Kerry Brown"Understanding China is complex, but it's crucial to find a balanced perspective in Western discourse."- Kerry BrownFeatured in the EpisodeKerry BrownProfessor of Chinese Studies, and Director,Lau China Institute, King's College, LondonLinkedin: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kerrybrownWebsite: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/kerry-brownJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction04:47 - Concerns about leadership future raised by Premier's performance08:23 - China's passive stance in world affairs11:20 - Impact of changes in US leadership on China's strategy15:22 - Reshuffling of China's internal priorities during the Trump presidency18:26 - Chinese middle class's interest in international relations21:05 - Summary of Evan Osnos' article on Chinese concerns25:31 - Intrigue within the party and navigating power dynamics27:35 - China's core interests defined as stability with internal link31:51 - China's focus on regional stability and development36:36 - China's dominance reshaping the world with little commonality39:45 - Comparison of envy towards South Korean culture and China43:10 - China's crucial role in the Middle East45:27 - Taiwan's Unresolved Status: A Ticking Time Bomb46:21 - Conclusion

Welcome to the China-MENA podcast. In this episode, host Jonathan Fulton discusses China's influence on the air domain in the Middle East and North Africa with guests Dr. Assaf Heller and Sarah-Masha Fainberg. They explore potential biases in analyzing China's strategy, its limited security role, concerns about its presence, and its strategic objectives in the region. Gain insights into the implications of China's expanding presence and its effects on military capabilities. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation on this important topic.TakeawaysPresence in the MENA RegionImplications on the Air Domain and Military CapabilitiesConcerns about Chinese Exports and Technology TransfersChinese Technology Transfers and Impact on the Air DomainUnderstanding China's Presence in the RegionQuotes"The Chinese influence in the Middle East should not be overlooked. It encompasses both strategic and operational impact, and we must consider it seriously."- Dr. Assaf Heller"China seeks to restore and preserve its position as a global power through a national rejuvenation journey." - Sarah-Masha FainbergFeatured in the EpisodeDr. Assaf Heller​​Colonel ReservesLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/assaf-heller-242323137/Sarah-Masha FainbergLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-masha-fainberg-phd-2602821a9/Jonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction03:53 - Sophisticated Weapon Systems: Development and Transfer by China07:54 - Balancing China's Strategic Objectives: The Key Challenge13:42 - Shifting Stance: China's Evolving Role in the Middle East17:03 - Arab and Jewish Political Influence: Examining China's Perspective20:59 - Seeking an Unbiased Operational Perspective: Hope of Analysts22:34 - Potential Confrontation and Implications: Israel-China Dynamics28:08 - Military-Civil Fusion Concerns: Exploring the Chinese MCF Concept31:42 - Technology and Arms Exports: Concerns over China's Influence35:47 - Beto Satellites and Dual Technology Purpose: China's Approach36:49 - Cooperation Agreements: Lack of Specific and Quantifiable Details42:41 - Impact on Regional Security: Discussing China's Technological Influence44:55 - Forecasting Advanced Technology and Arms Transfers by China47:23 - Seizing Opportunities: China's Role in the Middle East52:10 - Conclusion

In this episode of China-Mena titled "Performative or Substantive Engagement? China & Russia in the Middle East," our host Jonathan Fulton and guests Dr. Li-Chen Sim and Mark Katz explore the growing collaboration between China and Russia and its impact on the Middle East. We unravel the complexities of Sino-Russian engagement in the region, discussing Russia's interests, China's role, and the influence of the Ukraine war. Join us as we navigate the evolving geopolitical landscape of this crucial region.TakeawaysChina-Russia Collaboration in the Middle EastChina's Activities and Interests in the Middle EastPerceptions of Great Power Competition and Influence in the Middle EastQuotes"There is room for negotiation and cooperation between the US and China, transcending any cold war-like conflict." - Mark Katz"Together, as a force multiplier, they amplify their interests and narratives in the Middle East, projecting greater collective power and influence."- Dr. Li-Chen SimFeatured in the EpisodeDr. Li-Chen Sim​​Political Scientist At Khalifa University Abu Dhabi United United Arab EmiratesLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/li-chen-sim-3098035a/Mark KatzProfessor of Government and Politics, George Mason University--Schar School of Policy and GovernmentLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-n-katz-0707b213/Jonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonChapters00:00 - Introduction03:13 - Russian Weaponry and Reactor Sales: Driving Middle East Cooperation10:01 - Amplifying Influence through Media Collaboration: The Force Multiplier13:42 - Middle East's Perspective: Russia as Muscle, China as Financial Power16:07 - Russia's Challenges as a Weapon Supplier: The Impact of Ukraine19:06 - Changing Power Dynamics: China's Role in the Gaza Conflict23:24 - China's Benefits from Russia's Non-Compliance with OPEC28:14 - Prospects for Saudi Nuclear Energy Cooperation: A Realistic Outlook30:08 - Middle Easterners' Support for Russian Influence in 201532:32 - US Concerns and Attention-Seeking in Response to Russia's Actions38:48 - Acting with Diplomatic Considerations: Weighing Repercussions42:08 - Inevitable Cooperation: China, Russia, and the Middle East44:26 - Exploring Cooperation: Russia, Ukraine, West, and the Middle East46:23 - Outro

In this episode of China-Mena titled "China and the Israel-Hamas War: A View from Tel Aviv," host Jonathan Fulton and guest Gedaliah Afterman engage in a compelling discussion on the intricate dynamics between China, Israel, and the ongoing conflict with Hamas. The conversation delves into China's evolving stance, economic interests, potential for mediation, and the consequential effects on China's emerging role in the Middle East. Join us as we unravel the complexities of this relationship and analyze its impact on regional dynamics.TakeawaysChina's Relationship with Israel-PalestineIsrael-China Technological RelationshipChina's Response to Israel-Hamas WarUnlikelihood of Israel-China Political PartnershipChina's Economic Interests in the Middle EastChina's Roles in Israeli-Palestinian ConflictLimited China's Role in the ConflictQuotes"Trade between Israel and China is expected to continue, but the prospects of a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) may be jeopardized by trust issues and concerns about doing business in Europe and the US." - Gedaliah Afterman"China's participation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be contingent upon its alignment with regional interests and its relationship with the United States."- Gedaliah AftermanFeatured in the EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonGedaliah AftermanHead, Asia Policy Program at Abba Eban Institute of International Diplomacy, Reichman University (IDC Herzliya)Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gedaliah-afterman/Guest Website: The Asia Policy Program | Abba Eban InstituteChapters00:00 - Introduction00:09 - Understanding the China-Israel Relationship03:42 - China's Ambitions for Mediation07:14 - Exploring the Israel-China Tech Connection06:37 - Analyzing Superpower Competition in the Israel-China Relationship13:06 - Assessing China's Response to the Conflict14:04 - Unveiling China's Stance: Anti-Israel Sentiment17:44 - Examining the Impact on China-Israel Relationship21:04 - Skepticism and Rhetoric Surrounding Israel-Palestine25:40 - China's Role in Gaza Assistance28:30 - China's Growing Influence in the Middle East29:44 - Deliberating China's Regional Engagement Strategies31:05 - Outro

In this episode, titled "10 Years On: China's Belt & Road Initiative and its Future in the Middle East," our host Jonathan Fulton delves into the current state of China's ambitious Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and its implications for the Middle East. Jonathan will analyze the recently held Belt and Road Forum, the involvement of various countries in the initiative, and the challenges and opportunities it presents. Get ready to explore the complexities of China's global infrastructure plan and its impact on the Middle East, as we discuss the geopolitical dynamics, competing interests, and potential alternatives to the BRI.TakeawaysImpact of the Belt & Road InitiativeChina's Strategic Goals and Future PlansCompetition for Leadership in the Global SouthAlternatives and Response to the BRIThe EU's Global Gateway InitiativeChina's Renewed Commitment to the BRIBroader Foreign Policy Strategy of ChinaChina's Economic Relationship with the Middle EastQuotes"The Belt and Road Initiative exemplifies China's ambition to reshape global dynamics, providing growth alternatives to emerging nations against the prevailing US-led order." - Yun Sun"Developing countries will continue to engage with China, but they need to negotiate for better terms and develop resilience against negative effects." - David O. ShullmanFeatured in the EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonDavid O. ShullmanSenior Director of the Global China Hub at the Atlantic Councilhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/david-0-shullman-56a85a24/Yun SunSenior Fellow and Co-Director, East Asia Program, Director of the China Program, Stimson Centerhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/yun-sun-62871729/Chapters00:00 - Introduction02:29 Shaping Foreign Policy: China's BRI and the Global Order07:04 Reviving Commitments: China's Renewed Focus on the BRI11:07 Summit Dynamics: Sparse Western Presence at the Belton Road Summit12:37 Emerging Axis: China's Intensified Focus on the Developing World15:48 Geopolitical Chess: China's Quest for Influence in the Global South19:06 Global Rivalry: China's Strategy for Garnering Developing World Support24:40 Power Balance: India's Role in the Global Competition26:08 Mission Engagement: Challenging China's Diplomacy in Africa, Latin America, and Asia29:56 Resilience and Revolution: Offering Digital Alternatives to the BRI34:19 Economic Endurance: BRI's Stability Amid China's Economic Slowdown36:57 Strategic Partnerships: Gulf Countries' Economic Diversification with China39:56 Outro

In this episode titled "The Gulf's New De-Escalation Foreign Policy Among World Powers," our host Jonathan Fulton is joined by esteemed guest Mohammed Baharoon to discuss the shifting dynamics of Gulf countries and their foreign policies. From the focus on developmental issues and sustainable economies to the changing perspectives on security and power, our experts explore the implications and potential solutions to foster stability in the region. Join us as we tackle crucial topics such as the impact of China's presence in Africa, the concept of de-escalation as a security strategy, and the evolving landscape of international relations.TakeawaysThe Gulf's Shift Towards De-Escalation and Development in Foreign PolicyAfrican Nations: Resources, Youth, and the Impact of Foreign InfluenceEvolving Notions of Security and Power: A Changing PerspectiveThe Changing Geopolitical Landscape of AsiaGulf Nations' Complex Ties with Global PowersPursuing Rapprochement and De-Escalation in International RelationsThe UAE's Focus on Development and Collaborative InitiativesThe Growing African Community in the EmiratesGeopolitical Considerations and Africa's Emerging OpportunitiesQuotes"There is no one-size-fits-all solution to resolving conflicts. Each situation requires a nuanced understanding and a tailored approach." - Mohammed Baharoon"Fostering access, connectivity, and de-escalation is the new approach to address security concerns, shifting away from military solutions" – Mohammed BaharoonFeatured in the EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonMohammed Baharoonhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/mohammed-baharoon-a870b424/Chapters00:00 - Introduction02:02 - Shifting from Security to De-Escalation Strategy05:28 - Abrahamic Accords: A Shift into Identity Conflict07:59 - Cooperation for Addressing Cosmic Challenges11:58 - Asia's Expanding Concept: India and China Included14:56 - Gulf Countries Facing Tough Choices in Geopolitics18:31 - Trump's Masterful Attempt to De-Escalate Korea20:11 - Prioritizing Local Development over Power Competition24:33 - Japan's Tech Support for Gulf's Energy Transition28:56 - Investing in Diversification for Energy Security30:18 - Emirates' Growing Interest in Africa's Development35:27 - Questioning the Necessity of African Economic Development36:45 - Seizing the Early Opportunity in West Africa's Urbanization40:15 - Creating Safe Spaces for Interaction and Conflict Avoidance45:56 - OutroProduced by Heartcast Mediawww.heartcastmedia.com

In this episode, We embark on a thought-provoking journey into the realm of China's involvement in conflict resolution within the region. Your host, Jonathan Fulton, is joined by the insightful voices of Helena Legarda and Dr. Sanam Vakil. Together, they dissect China's strategic approach to mediating conflicts and its consequential impact on the Middle East.Amidst a landscape seeking fresh perspectives in conflict resolution, a pertinent question emerges: Can China wield transformative influence? As we navigate the intricate terrain, we invite you to delve into the nuances, obstacles, and potential avenues presented by China's mediation role in this dynamic region. Brace yourselves for an enlightening discourse that promises to reshape your vantage point on global politics.TakeawaysChina's Mediation Quest in the Middle EastCraving China's Role: Appetite for InvolvementChina's Rise: Crafting a Responsible Power ImageNon-Interference Story: China's Investment NarrativeDeep Dilemma: Skepticism on Complex InvolvementUnfolding Potential: China's Gradual Mediation RoleHope Amidst Doubt: China's Complex InvolvementGeopolitical Ambitions: China's Shaping InfluenceDiplomatic Magic: China's Outreach and PersonaEconomic Drive: China's Role in StabilityQuotes"Change awaits. Yet, for now, our reality is navigating these inner boundaries and encapsulated processes shapes our path forward." – Helena Legarda"Bridging the ambition-action gap can reshape the region, inspiring meaningful dialogues and enduring resolutions." – Dr. Sanam VakilFeatured in the EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonHelena LegardaLead Analyst, Mercator Institute for China Studies(MERICS) In Berlinhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/hlegarda/Dr. Sanam VakilDirector of Middle East and North Africa Programme, Chatham Househttps://www.linkedin.com/in/sanam-vakil-6b036b3a/Chapters00:12 - Introduction01:59 - Global Ambitions: Mediation and Geopolitical Dynamics08:17 - Economic Engagement: China's Rising Role12:14 - Commitment Gaps: China's Mediation Challenges14:23 - Tensions and Uncertainties: China's Role in Saudi Arabia and Iran18:25 - Geopolitical Partnerships: China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia22:51 - Limitations Unveiled: China's Struggles in Conflict Mediation27:29 - Global Reach: China's Quest for Influence31:52 - Unraveling Israel-Palestine Peace Plans34:01 - Middle East's Reaction to China's Involvement37:44 - GCC Tensions: China's Priorities and Missteps40:24 - Iran's Concerns: Analyzing China's Rising Influence41:22 - OutroProduced by Heartcast Mediawww.heartcastmedia.com

Explore China's prominent initiatives, the Belt and Road Initiative and the Northern Initiative, as we uncover their true intentions—funding and support or genuine global development. Our esteemed guests shed light on the Chinese Communist Party's approach and practical implementation. We examine progress support, capacity building, and knowledge-sharing efforts, including global development centers and vocational training programs. Join us to understand China's aspirations in shaping global governance. Addressing challenges and skepticism, this episode offers valuable insights for those intrigued by international relations and global development.TakeawaysChina's Promotion of Initiatives and SlogansSkepticism around Funding and Support from State-Owned BanksImplementation of Belt and Road Initiative and Northern InitiativeXi Jinping's 32 Deliverables and Action PlansCapacity Building through Vocational Training ProgramsChina's Aim to Mediate Conflicts and Increase Military Presence in the Middle EastImportance of Monitoring China's Initiatives and DevelopmentsChina's Foreign Policy Shift towards the Global SouthQuotes"Embracing multilateralism allows us to foster multiple partnerships and engagements, resulting in a balanced world with diverse sources of strength."-Tuvia Gering"Amidst the shortcomings of US governance, China endeavors to reform global governance, striving for democracy, multipolarity, fairness, and justice." - Michael Schuman"Beijing remains steadfast, doubling down on their initiatives with unwavering momentum."- Michael SchumanFeatured in the EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonMichael SchumanNonresident Senior Fellow, Global China Hub, Atlantic Councilhttps://twitter.com/michaelschumanTuvia GeringNonresident Fellow, Global China Hub, Atlantic Council; Researcher at the Diane & Guilford Glazer Foundation Israel-China Policy Center at the Institute for National Security Studieshttps://twitter.com/GeringTuviaChapters00:09 - Introduction01:53 - China's Global Initiatives: Shaping a New World Order06:00 - Beijing's Ambitions: Altering the US-Led World Order10:40 - Advancing Global Initiatives Amidst US Resurgence13:23 - Empowering Influence: China's Growing Global Impact18:21 - China's Foreign Policy Shift: Strengthening Ties with the Global South20:05 - Embracing China's Offer in Global Development24:18 - Offering an Alternative Development Model31:58 - China's Initiatives: Balancing Rhetoric and Reality35:54 - Promoting Democracy and Facing Challenges39:40 - Check and Counter Check: Global Influence Battle40:24 - Superpower Rivalry: Assessing Positive and Negative Impacts43:21 - OutroProduced by Heartcast Mediawww.heartcastmedia.com

The US has been examining China's expanding involvement in the Middle East from various perspectives, both within and beyond the region. A major topic of discussion has been the strained relationship between China and the US, which is having a significant impact on the strategic landscape of the Middle East and North Africa. To provide us with insight into how the US government perceives China's media interactions in the region, We are joined by Dr. Julian Gewirtz and Chris Backemeyer.‌ They will discuss certain topics such as the priorities of the US in the region as well as the opportunities and challenges for the cooperation of China and US in the MENA region.TakeawaysThe Priorities of United States in the MENA regionUS perspective on China becoming a major player on geopoliticsThe diplomatic effort of China in the MENA regionOpportunities and Challenges for cooperation of China and US in the MENA regionThe impact of China-Iran relationship on the interest of US in the regionQuotesThe US is in favor of any action taken by China or other countries to lower tensions, decrease conflicts or prevent destabilizing actions in the region. - ChrisPresident Biden sees this decade as critical and has a strategy for China: invest, align, and compete. - JulianThe fundamental U.S. goal of our foreign policy is a free and open and prosperous and secure world. - JulianFeatured in the EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabihttps://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfultonJulian GewirtzDeputy China Coordinator, U.S. Department of Statehttps://twitter.com/JulianGewirtzChris BackemeyerDeputy Assistant Secretary for Assistance Coordination and Regional and Multilateral Affairs, US State Department's Bureau of Near Eastern Affairshttps://twitter.com/chrisbackemeyerChapters00:00 Introduction01:29 US priorities on MENA region06:55 China as a global actor14:03 US's view on the China's growing presence in the region20:26 China's role in the diplomatic outreach in the region22:22 Challenges for cooperation between China and US28:40 Assessing the impact of the bilateral of China and Iran31:30 Cooperation for China, US, and Middle East on climate change challenges36:34 Final takeaways from our guestsProduced by Heartcast Mediawww.heartcastmedia.com

The United States and China are frequently brought up when discussing other regional powers in the Middle East, however, India also plays a role in the geopolitical dynamics within the region. With its long-standing linkages in economics, culture, and religion, India has long had a significant presence in the area. But as New Delhi has been interacting on political, diplomatic, and security fronts lately, this has taken a more strategic tone. In this episode, We are joined by Raja Mohan, a Senior Fellow with the Asia Society Policy Institute in Delhi. He will share with us his knowledge about India's role in geopolitics in the Middle East as well as the perspective of New Delhi on the influence of the US-China tug-of-war within the region. He will also discuss India's relations with some states in the region and provide some insights about maritime security in the Indian Ocean and the growing influence of mixed cultures in the Gulf.TakeawaysAn overview of India's interest in the Middle East and the shift toward the Gulf regionNew Delhi's Viewpoint on the India-US-China Triangle in the Middle EastThe India - China relationship in the recent decadeThe geopolitical play of Iran, India, Pakistan, and GCC in the Indian OceanThe growing partnership between India and the GulfThe perspective of the geopolitical forces in AsiaQuotesWe'd rather have the Americans sit on our hands for good than the Chinese. - Raja MohanIndia faces challenges from China's growing presence in the Himalayas and the Indian Ocean, where China has established relationships with key island states. This requires India to work with Western partners. - Raja MohanFeatured in the EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu DhabiProfile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfultonRaja MohanSenior Fellow with the Asia Society Policy Institute in DelhiProfile: https://asiasociety.org/policy-institute/c-raja-mohanTwitter: https://twitter.com/MohanCRajaChapters00:00 Introduction01:25 An overview of India's interest in the Middle East09:11 India's shift into the Gulf region13:12 The I2U2 Group and India's approach to the Middle East15:34 New Delhi's perspective on the India-US-China Triangle in the Middle East21:04 The India-China relationship today26:00 The assessment of the China-Iran relationship28:53 The maritime security in the Indian Ocean31:32 Geopolitics of Iran, India, Pakistan, and the GCC34:52 India and the Gulf's growing partnership38:01 Integrating different cultures and people in the Middle East40:20 Balancing Geopolitical forces in Asia42:27 ConclusionProduced by Heartcast Mediawww.heartcastmedia.com

China's rise to power has led to discussions about whether the country will support or try to change the current international system. It is clear that China has both supported and been dissatisfied with certain aspects of the system. The country has demonstrated its preferences for a global order through initiatives such as the Belt and Road Initiative and the Global Development and Security Initiatives. To better understand the actions of China, we invited Nadege Rolland, is a Distinguished Fellow, China Studies, at the National Bureau of Asian Research (NBR), an American private think-tank based in Seattle and Washington, D.C. She will share an overview of the new 2 initiatives of China, the perspective of other countries towards China's rise in the global economy, and if China will support the existing global order or not.Nadège Rolland is Senior Fellow, Political and Security Affairs, at the National Bureau of Asian Research (NBR), an American private think-tank based in Seattle and Washington, D.C. Her research focuses mainly on China's foreign and defense policy, grand strategy, and the articulation of China's vision for itself as a great power on the world stage.TakeawaysChina's opposing view against the International OrderThe Global Development Initiative and Global Security Initiative of ChinaThe China's narrative to the world as a rising power in the geopolitical stageChina's control and strategy in maintaining the power locally and globallyQuotesChina has been very worried and concerned about the Global order itself, because it really is antithetical to the principles under which the Chinese regime is being built. - NadegeThis BRI is really a way to support a vision for a new world order that is China centric. - NadegeWhere does the success of China come from exactly? and what constitutes this success? You will see that there's a lot to it, that it's more about the liberal elements that have allowed for China's success now. - NadegeFeatured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu DhabiProfile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfultonNadège RollandDistinguished Fellow, China StudiesThe National Bureau of Asian ResearchLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nad%C3%A8ge-rolland-00778085/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/rollandnadege Chapters00:00 Introduction02:16 Global Order07:38 China's view against the Order15:07 Overview of GDI and GSI24:50 China's solution to world's fundamental problems39:46 China's political values48:08 The Resilience and Adaptability of One-Party Rule in China This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com

China has made significant inroads into much of the global south, a trend that does not always receive adequate attention in the West. China's image in those countries has deteriorated in recent years, and there appears to be an assumption that this is universal. However, polling data from Africa and the Middle East show that China's reputation in the developing world is in much better shape. In today's podcast, we are joined by Dr. Lina Benabdallah. Dr. Lina Benabdallah is a Wake Forest University assistant professor of politics and international affairs. Her research interests include international relations theory, foreign policy, critical theories of power, past politics, and knowledge production and hegemony in South-South relations. Dr. Lina will provide an overview of China's influence in the Global South, as well as why China is viewed positively by African countries. She will also discuss how China gained positive impressions from Africans and how this affects the global stage.TakeawaysOverview of China's influence on the Global SouthThe difference between Western perspectives and the Global South to ChinaAfrica's positive impressions of ChinaPosition of Africans in the US-China conflictChina's influence in terms of relations and production QuotesPositive impressions and perceptions of China in Africa come from these tangible projects, goods, and infrastructure that people can use to make their life easier - Dr. LinaChina is identifying itself as a member of the Global South family. This makes them more appealing to countries in the Global South, as well as a model for countries aspiring to be great nations. - Dr. Lina Featured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfultonDr. Lina BenabdallahAssistant Professor of Politics and International Affairs at Wake Forest Universityhttps://linabenabdallah.com https://twitter.com/lbenabdallah Her Book:Shaping the future of Power, Knowledge, Production, and Network Building in China-Africa relationshttps://www.amazon.com/Shaping-Future-Power-Network-Building-China-Africa/dp/0472074547 https://www.press.umich.edu/10194365/shaping_the_future_of_power The Article mentioned:China's Soft Power Advantage in Africahttps://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/africa/2021-12-23/chinas-soft-power-advantage-africa Chapters00:00 Introduction02:17 An Overview of China's outreach to the Global South09:10 Western perspective of China versus the perspective of the Global South16:11 Reasons why China has positive impressions in Africa 24:13 Africans in the US-China conflict35:58 Developing the social capital of Africa45:06 Measuring China's influence in terms of relations and productions51:57 Professional approach to learning China's influence in the Global South This podcast was produced by Heart cast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com

The fact that Middle Eastern countries' relationships with China are complicated has been a recurring theme throughout this show. Nothing is as simple as the headlines would have us believe. The Sino-Israeli relationship is particularly complex. Dense economic ties must be balanced against Israel's deeper and far more important ties with the US. While China does a lot of business with Israel, its international support for Palestine limits its political cooperation with the Jewish state. Assaf Orion, a senior researcher at the Institute of National Security Studies and the Director of the Diane and Guilford Glazer Israel China Policy Center in Tel-Aviv, Israel, joins us on today's podcast. He will speak with us about the dynamics of the China-Israel relationship and how it affects Israel as a state, as well as its neighbors and the Israel-Palestine relationship. TakeawaysOverview of the Israel-China bilateral relationshipIsrael's perspective of the Belt and Road Initiative of ChinaThe issue of Port of Haifa regarding the power struggle in the regionChina meddling in Israeli domestic affairs as well as the Israel-Palestine relationshipIsrael's perspective on China's MENA strategy QuotesChina has started the Global Development Initiative which is a non-BRI, which tells us that BRI has been less successful - AssafChina is not a security guarantor in the Middle East yet China is an interesting business and infrastructure partner. - Assaf Featured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Assaf OrionDirector, Diane & Guilford Glazer Israel-China Policy CenterIsrael's Institute For National Security Studies (INSS)Linkedin: https://il.linkedin.com/in/assaf-orion-1b8274104 Website: https://www.inss.org.il/ Published Article mentioned in the showNo, Israel Isn't Falling Into China's Orbit https://www.inss.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/No-Israel-Isnt-Falling-Into-Chinas-Orbit-Assaf-Orion-Mosaic-for-site.pdf Chapters00:00 Introduction01:53 Overview of Israel-China bilateral relationship09:02 China-Israel relationship, is it cooling down?16:01 The BRI as a medium for Israel to connect with its neighboring countries24:44 The port of Haifa linking to different Chinese-managed ports31:03 China engaging in Israel's domestic politics36:58 Thoughts on China being a mediator between Israel and Palestine42:53 Israel's thoughts on China's approach in the MENA region50:20 Articles and resources This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com

Different people have different perspectives on China's image in the MENA region. Some are positive while others are negative. However, we want to know the public's opinion on a larger scale while employing the proper scientific technique.In today's podcast, we are joined by Michael Robbins, Director and Co-Principal Investigator, of Arab Barometer, a nonpartisan research network that provides insight into the social, political, and economic attitudes and values of ordinary citizens across the Arab world. In the show, Michael explains the Arab Barometer and its purpose, as well as how they conduct surveys and collect data. He also discusses the region's perception of China based on their research. He also elaborated on the different perspectives of the elite versus the general public on China, as the elite is more favorable to China. These findings may be questioned because the majority of the public has no knowledge of or interest in geopolitics, and they may change as more information is gathered. Finally, he discusses the factors that can change or influence people's attitudes toward a country.TakeawaysThe Arab Barometer, its functions, research, and its goalsChina's perception around the MENA region according to surveysThe view of the Gulf region differs from other countries in the regionThe negative view of China by the people of Israel and PalestineThe differences between public opinion versus the elite according to dataThe factors that influence foreigners' perceptions of a country QuotesWe find that China remains relatively popular. we see that at least half or roughly half say that they have a positive view of China overall. - Michaelthere is a broad sense that the views of China are stronger among the elites according to data - MichaelProbably in the next ten years, China will really come into view from the Middle East and there will probably be slightly more fixed views of China itself. - Michael Featured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Michael RobbinsDirector and Co-Principal Investigator, Arab BarometerLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mdhrobbins Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/mdhrobbins Website: https://www.arabbarometer.org Chapters00:00 Introduction01:40 What is the Arab Barometer?02:55 Which countries have the Urban Barometer been looking at?04:41 How many people do you interview?05:42 What are the perceptions of China around the region?08:03 Are these perceptions of China might change?12:34 A big shift of opinion in a short period of time17:39 Different views of China in the Gulf region19:30 Negative perceptions of China in Israel23:48 Elite perceptions versus public perceptions of China26:33 Explanation behind high and low perceptions of China from different countries32:03 Palestinians don't support China despite the aid from China35:28 Factors that affect a country's positive or negative perceptions41:21 Links and Resources on data and research from Arab Barometer This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com

Many nations with interests in the Middle East are now reevaluating their strategies in light of China's rise as a key player in the region. Governments and businesses in the MENA region did not have to think much about China until recently. The last ten years have seen a significant change in that. And whether you're talking about commerce, investment, security, development, or diplomacy, the subject of what Beijing thinks is one that is constantly raised. Additionally, this is complicated by China's difficult interactions with numerous international events and economies. In today's podcast, we are joined by Camille Lons. Camille is a research associate at the International Institute for Strategic Studies or IISS. She will discuss how Europeans see China as China is now rising as a big player in geopolitics in the MENA region and the world. TakeawaysHow does the EU respond to the rising influence of China in the MENA region and the world?The areas where the EU and China can cooperate in the MENA regionHow does the EU position itself in the US-China rivalry in the geopoliticsWhy does China still have a strong influence in the region despite the warnings and issues given by the western countriesQuotesThe Europeans realized how dependent they were on China during COVID when it came to their supply chains, and this acted as a wakeup call that they were now vulnerable to rising authoritarian powers - CamilleThe EU and China can really cooperate when talking about clean energy infrastructures in the MENA region. - Camille The EU is trying to position itself as a third party in the US-China rivalry. It means that other nations have the opportunity to choose the EU as a partner over the US and China. - CamilleOne of the concerns of the EU about the China's presence in the MENA is that China is the provider of the finance development in the region and these might raise some concerns such as humanitarian issues, labor issues and below standard practices - Camille. Featured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Camille LonsResearch Associate, IISS-Middle EastProfile: https://www.iiss.org/people/middle-east/camille-lons Twitter: https://twitter.com/camillelons Links mentioned in the episodeIISS China connect projectCheck it here -> https://chinaconnects.iiss.org Chapters00:00 Introduction02:02 How does Europe see China both within Europe and globally09:28 EU's perspective on China's rising presence in the MENA region22:27 China is a big player in providing development aid in the MENA region26:35 Nations that are challenging for the EU and have China's influence32:14 Areas where the EU and China can cooperate38:43 Why China is an attractive political partner in the MENA region43:10 How the EU is using the US engagement in the region as their main narratives This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com

In a speech on May 26, Secretary of State Antony Blinken outlined the Biden administration's policy toward China, which he characterized as the only nation with the will to alter the international order as well as an increasing amount of economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to do so. According to him, the U.S. will concentrate on influencing Beijing's strategic environment to further its goals. In this period of strategic rivalry, use the three-word strategy of invest, align, and compete. The Indo-Pacific region has been designated as the U.S.'s top priority theater, while the Middle East and North Africa are also significant rival regions. In this podcast, Jonathan invited Ambassador Bilahari Kausikan, former ambassador and Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In today's episode, They discuss the influence of the US-China Competition in the Southeast Asia region. They also discuss the difference between the Gulf region and the SEA region in terms of the people, culture, religion, and perspective in this geopolitics competition. Moreover, Ambassador Bilahari states that the SEA region welcomes these extra-national powers within the region as they are helping the economic growth of the countries and also maintaining the balance of power in the region. Lastly, the Ambassador gives some advice to the Gulf countries regarding US-China geopolitics. Key TakeawaysThe influence of US-China Competition in the SEA regionComparison between the Gulf region and the SEA regionThe China-Iran relationship in geopoliticsThe role of Extra-nationals in the power balance in the SEA and East Asia Advice and recommendations to Gulf Countries from our guest QuotesThe US-China competition is competition within a system, one system of which the US and China are both vital and irreplaceable parts in a global system - Bilahari We do welcome all external powers but don't follow its interests - BilahariChina has good relations with everybody in the MENA region but it is not a sustainable position over the long run, and the Chinese know it and are not quite sure what to do about it - Bilahariextra-regional powers are a very important pillar of their security. - Jonathan Featured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Bilahari KausikanChairman, Middle East Institute, National University of Singapore Former Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of SingaporeProfile: https://www.iiss.org/governance/the-advisory-council/bilahari-kausikan Chapters00:00 Introduction02:22 Influence in Southeast Asia09:30 The Gulf region vs Southeast Asia 19:47 China and Iran relations25:36 Extranational powers in the role of security28:58 North Korea distrusts China30:21 Binary of great power combination33:17 US is a key in the Economic power in SEA39:52 Advice to the Gulf countries 42:54 Conclusion This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com/

The increasing engagement of Iran towards China is nothing but a major issue in the Gulf region. Yet, despite this, GCC countries have been cooperating with China when talking about trade, investments, politics, and even culture.In this podcast, We are joined by Mohammed Al-Sudairi, a Senior Research Fellow and Head of the Asian Studies Program at KFCRIS. Mohammed and Jonathan talked about the political view of GCC towards China, the relationship of GCC countries with China in terms of people, culture, and businesses, and the competition narrative of the two countries, the USA and China in the region. Key TakeawaysThe political perspective of GCC countries toward ChinaThe early diplomatic ties of some GCC countries with ChinaOman and Kuwait's early relations with China suddenly become passive.Chinese investments moving to other countries due to bad politicsThe Sino-Arab citizens assimilate the culture and life of Arab peopleCompetition narrative of US and China in GCCImpression of Gulf people towards ChinaThe Saudi citizens trying to live in the Mainland China QuotesEnergy has been the main catalyst for this orientation between GCC and China - MohammedThere is solidified imagery about China as a potential alternative to the U.S.- MohammedA lot of these individuals wrote about their experiences and depicted China as this great liberatory power. - MohammedFeatured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Mohammed Al-SudairiSenior Research Fellow and Head of Asian Studies Program at KFCRIS.King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies Asian Studies Unit HeadProfile: https://www.kfcris.com/en/researcher/10 Email: malsudairi@kfcris.com Phone: +852-6816-4293 Chapters00:00 Intro01:38 GCC's attitude towards China06:04 Early diplomatic ties of GCC with China08:06 Early relations between China and GCC suddenly become silent10:45 Moving to other countries14:55 Regional representation of the Gulf Peninsula17:00 Sino-Arab citizens20:44 US-GCC relations22:55 Competition narrative of US and China in GCC countries32:57 Impressions of Gulf people toward China40:32 Saudi people moving to China This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media.www.heartcastmedia.com

China has been expanding its Belt and Road Initiative around the world, but they are also working on a new version of BRI that utilizes the Digital Space. The initiative was dubbed the Digital Silk Road Initiative. The Digital Silk Road Initiative, or DSRI, is already in motion across the Middle East and North Africa, particularly in North Africa. Chinese big tech companies like Huawei have been assisting North African countries in digitizing their economies to compete with First World countries. These can also lead to wonderful opportunities for North Africans since DSRI promises regional economic growth.In this podcast, We are joined by Tin-Hinane El-Kadi, a political economy researcher, currently writing a Ph.D. thesis at the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE), looking at China's Digital Silk Road in North Africa. They talked about China's Digital Silk Road Initiative and Huawei's role in setting it into action. They also discussed the impression of the Chinese in North Africa, as China begins to establish a political role in the region. They also discussed Chinese ventures that focus on leveraging the digital domain. Data Centers, AI or Machine Learning, Cloud Computing, and 5G Technologies are all examples. Finally, they discussed the future connection between China and North Africa. Key TakeawaysThe Overview of the Digital Silk Road Initiative of ChinaThe Role of Huawei in the DSRI of China in North AfricaHuawei perceived by Other Countries as not a Commercial CompanyDeep Chinese Presence in Countries in North AfricaWhat the North Africans thought of China and Their Presence in the RegionSignificant Projects of Huawei and Other Chinese Tech Giants in the RegionThoughts about the Relationship between China-North Africa QuotesI believe there is a disconnect between China's existing economic presence in the area and people's perceptions of China. - Tin-HinaneHuawei was instrumental in the transition from 2G to 3G to 4G and, most likely, to 5G. It also plays a major role in the enterprise sector, interacting with businesses and setting up data centers, cloud computing, and cloud capacity. - Tin-HinaneI believe that governments around the region see the BRI as a wonderful chance to develop infrastructure, attract investment, and generate jobs for the region's millions of unemployed. - Tin-Hinane Featured in this EpisodeJonathan FultonNonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Tin Hinan El-KadiPolitical Economy Researcher whose Work Focuses on China and the Middle EastProfile: https://en.issra-dz.org/tin-hinane-el-kadi/Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/tin-hinane-el-kadi-234329171Twitter: https://twitter.com/tinhinanel Email/Contact: T.El-Kadi@lse.ac.uk Chapters00:00 Introduction02:17 An Overview of the Digital Silk Road Initiative05:32 How Does Huawei fit in the DSRI of China08:37 Other Countries See Huawei as not a Commercial Company15:43 Deep Chinese Presence in Countries of North Africa18:44 What the North Africans thought of China24:31 Significant Projects of Huawei in the North Africa Region 30:13 Some Tech Projects by Chinese Tech Giants in The Region35:04 North Africans Appetite in Cooperation with China38:58 Thoughts about the Relationship between China-North Africa41:16 Conclusion This podcast is produced by Heartcast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com/

China has been establishing itself as an economic player in the MENA region, not engaging in any complicated political issues. However, in recent years, China has been increasingly involved in political affairs. They have been engaging with the Arab states as well as the North African Countries. In this podcast, Jonathan invited Dr. Dawn Murphy, an Associate Professor of International Security Studies at the US Air War College. She specializes in Chinese foreign policy and domestic politics, US-China relations, and international relations. She wrote the book titled "China's Rise in the Global South, the Middle East. Africa. And Beijings' Alternative World Order".In the episode, They go through a quick summary of her novel and what it's about. They also discussed the forums with which China is affiliated, as well as the goals and objectives of those forums. They also talk about China's connections with non-Arab nations including Turkey, Iran, and Israel. They also covered China's two envoys, the Middle East envoys, and Africa's envoys. They talk about the overviews and the importance of these envoys in China's relations with the region. Finally, they address how the US should think about China's growing influence in the area and how they should interact with China as a competitor.Key TakeawaysAn overview of the Book "China's Rise in the Global South"Elaborating the 2 Cooperation Forums where China is associated with: China-Africa and the China Arab StatesChina's Relationship with Non-Arab Countries such as Iran, Israel, and Turkey.Mutual Political Support and Interests between China and the Arab WorldThe Upcoming Forums of China with Middle East NationsNew Forms of the BRI: Digital Silk Road and Health Silk RoadThe Two China's Envoy: Middle East Issues envoy and the Africa Issue envoyHow should the US interact with the Increasing Influence of China in the regionQuotesChina is not attempting to change the distribution of territory in the Middle East or Africa, as its power grows, it is increasingly competing with the US. - Dawn China's relationship with Israel is a special case. I see no evidence that China is striving to draw them into any sort of cooperative forum. Part of this stems from its long-standing support for Palestinians and desire to be recognized as a balanced player in the region. -DawnChina has a very strong relationship with Israel, as well as the Arab states, as well as Iran and, you know, other players in the region more broadly. And it very much portrays itself as a balanced actor in relation to these issues. - DawnSpecial Terms Mentioned in the EpisodeCASCF - The China-Arab States Cooperation ForumFOCAC - Forum on China–Africa CooperationPRC - People's Republic of ChinaSCO - Shanghai Cooperation OrganizationGlobal South - refers broadly to the regions of Latin America, Asia, Africa, and Oceania.JCPOA - The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)BRI - Belt and Road InitiativeBook Mentioned in the EpisodeChina's Rise in the Global South, the Middle East. Africa. And Beijings' Alternative World OrderLinks:https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=33516https://www.amazon.com/Chinas-Rise-Global-South-Alternative/dp/1503630099https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9781503630604/html?lang=enFeatured in this EpisodeJonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu DhabiProfile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bTwitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Dr. Dawn MurphyAssociate Professor of International Security Studies, US Air War CollegeProfile/Website: https://dawncmurphy.com/Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dawn-murphy-7a870589Email/Contact: dcmurphy@gwmail.gwu.edu / dawn.murphy@au.af.eduChapters00:00 Introduction02:44 An Overview of Dawn's Book08:33 Talking about the Forums: China-Africa and China-Arab16:29 Results and Outcomes from these China-led Forums20:01 China's relations with Turkey, Iran, and Israel30:52 China-Arab Political Supports and Interests33:28 The upcoming Forums of China with Middle East Nations37:44 New Forms of the BRI40:44 An Overview of China's Envoy45:53 US reacts to the Increasing Influence of China50:01 Conclusion This podcast is produced by Heartcast Media.https://www.heartcastmedia.com/

China's objective in recent years has been to establish a firm foothold in the Gulf region, as the country is highly reliant on Middle Eastern oil to fuel its economic growth. The Belt and Road Initiative, their new approach, is paving the road for them to attain their goal. Similarly, China has a different strategy, relying on soft power to develop favorable influence throughout the region. China wishes to deepen economic links with the Middle East, and soft power relationships can result in significant bilateral exchanges for both parties.In this episode, We are joined by Shaojin Chai, a professor of international relations at the University of Sharjah. He spent a lot of time thinking and writing about China's cultural, educational, and religious outreach to the Middle East. His specialization is International Studies, Modern Chinese History and Political Science.

Chinese migration to the Middle East is one of the most important aspects of China's presence in the area. Increased migration in recent decades has aided in the development of China-Gulf ties, with the UAE being one of the nations with a significant Chinese population. In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Yuting Wang, a professor of sociology at the American University of Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates,. She's lived in the UAE for over a decade and has a fantastic book titled Chinese in Dubai, Money, Pride, and Soul Searching, which she released in 2020.  She will speak on the influence of Chinese communities in the UAE, and the social relationships between Chinese and locals.

China has been extending its footprint in the Middle East through the BRI (Belt and Road Initiative) during the last decade, affecting the region's economy, politics, and even security. Despite the fact that China imports oil from Saudi Arabia, Iran has gained China's attention due to its strategic relevance for the Belt and Road Initiative. In This podcast, We are joined by Professor Anoush Ehteshami, A professor in Durham University, who is an expert on the China-Iran Relationship, and share to us what is the importance of China-Iran partnership. 

Welcome to the China-MENA Podcast. This show is produced by Atlantic Council thanks to generous support from the US State Department. The China-MENA Podcast is a monthly program that goes beyond the headlines to provide a deeper look at engagement between China and countries in the Middle East – North Africa and give our listeners a better understanding of an important emerging geopolitical shift.