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Hey Friends & Kin! FYI: THIS, JUST LIKE ALL EPISODES OF HAND ME MY PURSE, CONTAINS PROFANITY. THIS PODCAST IS FOR ADULTS AND CONTAINS ADULT CONTENT. Now that we've gotten that out of the way... _________ Friends and Kin in this episode I am so grateful to share with you all PART ONE of a conversation with Marcy DePina, creator + host of the, “SWEET DADDY GRACE” podcast. Who is Sweet Daddy Grace, you ask. Well sit back and get ready to learn all about the man, the myth, the legend that was a millionaire who created the model for the modern day mega church. A Black man (because that's exactly what he was) from the island country of Cape Verde, West Africa. Marcy & I have a very candid conversation that flowed like water down a river about this powerfully eccentric man and all of his accomplishments, accolades, scandals and so much more. If you don't know who he is - trust me, you will know so much more about him after this series about his life and Marcy's research in creating this podcast. It's a beautiful conversation and it just might intrigue you enough to go learn more! ENJOY! "GO WHERE YOU ARE ADORED. NOT WHERE YOU ARE TOLERATED..." MeMe's Jam No. 74 LISTEN TO THE SWEET DADDY GRACE PODCAST DAILY GRATITUDE RITUALS. SUBMIT A QUESTION FOR STRAIGHT FACTS! FIND A THERAPIST. _______ EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS HERE! ⬅️ click that Rate + Review on Apple Podcasts. ⬅️ click that And as always, "Thank you for your support…" (said exactly like the 80s Bartles and Jaymes commercials) xoxo MeMe *****************See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Dana Okano from Hawai'i Community Foundation joins us today to talk about the needs of her home state Hawai'i, and the importance of giving back to the land that rejuvenates you. She dives into the ongoing challenge of supporting environmental and community needs. Dana and Sybil dig deeply into her freshwater initiative and many of the important priorities in Hawai'i in order to donate and support local organizations in a place that many people visit for rejuvenation.Episode Highlights:Tips and strategies for effective giving Leveraging local resources in a place that rejuvenates youFavorite grants and initiativesDana Okano Bio:Dana Okano, PhD, AICP, (she/her) is Director of the Natural Environment sector at Hawai‘i Community Foundation, and is responsible for programs such as the Hawai‘i Fresh Water Initiative, Holomua Marine Initiative, and co-chairs the Hawai‘i Environmental Funders Group. She is also Director of the EPA-funded Hawaiian Islands Environmental Finance Center, providing Technical Assistance to communities across Hawai‘i for their water needs.Prior to joining the Foundation, Dr. Okano worked for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Coral Reef Conservation Program and Coastal Zone Management Program in Saipan, CNMI. Dr. Okano also previously worked as a Planner at County of Hawai‘i Planning Department, and she began her career as a Peace Corps Volunteer serving in Benin, West Africa. Links:Holomua Marine Initiative: https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/holomua/ Hawai'i Makai Watch: http://pupukeawaimea.org/programs/makai-watch Hawai‘i Community Foundation https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org If you enjoyed this episode, listen to these as well:https://www.doyourgood.com/blog/150-pooled-funds-that-protects-sharkshttps://www.doyourgood.com/blog/129-jim-enotehttps://www.doyourgood.com/blog/leveraging-public-dollarsCrack the Code: Sybil's Successful Guide to PhilanthropyBecome even better at what you do as Sybil teaches you the strategies and tools you'll need to avoid mistakes and make a career out of philanthropy.Sybil offers resources including free mini-course videos, templates, checklists, and words of advice summarized in easy to review pdfs. Check out Sybil's website with all the latest opportunities to learn from Sybil at https://www.doyourgood.com Connect with Do Your Goodhttps://www.facebook.com/doyourgoodhttps://www.instagram.com/doyourgoodWould you like to talk with Sybil directly?Send in your inquiries through her website https://www.doyourgood.com/ or you can email her directly at email@example.com
In this episode, Brody sits down with James and Jenna Roberts, former Snowbird staffers who are currently on furlough. James and Jenna serve in Togo, West Africa, and are back in the States temporarily, to welcome their second child. They serve with the 6 Degree Initiative, where they disciple new believers, run a summer camp with local children, and much more! Listen to hear how things are going on the mission field and how the Lord is using them. 6 Degree Initiative Follow the Roberts on FacebookFollow the Roberts on Instagram: jennaf.robertsSnowbird Advent BookSnowbird Wilderness Outfitters exists to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ through the exposition of Scripture and personal relationships in order to equip the Church to impact this generation.Learn more about our student and adult conferences at https://www.swoutfitters.com/Please leave a review on Apple or Spotify to help improve No Sanity Required and help others grow in their faith. Click here to get our Colossians Bible study.
Robby speaks with TC and other members of the team, listen as they share the latest developments from operations in West Africa. A warning: this program contains sensitive content. Listener discretion is advised. Join us as a Liberator at https://lanternrescue.org/liberator/ If you or someone you know has experienced exploitation call the National Human Trafficking Hotline (NHTH) at 1-888-373-7888.
Maria Michaelson is the co- founder and co Director of Alchemy Art Center in NW Washington. She received her BA degree in Ceramics from the California College of Art in 2009. Maria spent many years in West Africa learning the craft of bronze casting. In 2016 she was an Artist in Residence at 69 Rue de Rivoli in Paris, and for 8 seasons she has participated in the San Juan Island Artist's Studio Tour. Since 2016, she has been working to create Alchemy Art Center, where her art practice is currently based.
Facts and Spins For November 23, 2023: Israel and Hamas reach a breakthrough hostage and temporary ceasefire deal, a suspicious car explosion strikes the US-Canada border in Niagra Falls, the Kremlin suggests “colossal” Ukrainian losses in Russian-occupied territory, Sam Altman reunites with OpenAI after a tumultuous week, House Speaker Mike Johnson endorses Donald Trump and meets him at Mar-a-Lago, Niger's junta asks West Africa's regional court to order the lifting of coup sanctions, South Africa's lawmakers vote to suspend ties with Israel, a report suggests that China is closing mosques in its northern regions, a Ga. judge won't revoke the bond of a Trump co-defendant for social media posts, and scientists sound the alarm about “super pigs” entering US ecosystems. Sources: https://www.verity.news/
Every day Americans are using Gullah traditions in what we say and eat. The culture and its foodways can be traced directly back to West Africa for several centuries. Things like one pot meals is just the beginning of some of the cultural flavors, ingredients and Gullah impacts that we enjoy today.
In this episode, I interview Scott Harrison, CEO of the non-profit organization charity: water. We discuss the global water crisis and how charity: water is working to provide clean water access to communities around the world. Scott shares his story of how he went from being a nightclub promoter in New York City to volunteering with doctors and humanitarian workers in Liberia, West Africa. He describes seeing thousands of sick people unable to get medical help, which inspired him to start charity: water to address the lack of clean water fueling disease. Scott explains how 771 million people worldwide lack access to clean water, with women and girls often bearing the burden of finding and carrying water for their families. So, how does Scott make a difference? He discusses the different technologies and solutions charity: water uses to fund water projects based on each community's needs, from drilled wells to piped water systems. Lack of clean water prevents children, especially girls, from attending school regularly. Providing water access allows more girls to get an education. Women and girls spend countless hours walking for water each day. Bringing water closer to home gives them more time for work, family, and community. Scott stresses that we have the ability to solve the water crisis but need the resources and will to make it happen. He shares powerful stories that reveal the dramatic impact clean water access makes on people's health, dignity, and quality of life. Transformational Takeaway: While the global water crisis can seem overwhelming, this episode underscores that every one of us has the power to make a real difference through small, consistent acts of service. When we shift from self-focus to serving others, we tap into our innate compassion and humanity. What simple act of service, however small, could you engage in today to be part of the solution to the world's immense needs? VISIT THE SHOW NOTES HERE FOR MORE: https://www.jimfortin.com/297 LIKED THE EPISODE? If you're the kind of person who likes to help others, then share this with your friends and family. If you have found value, they will too. Please leave a review on Apple Podcasts so we can reach more people. OTHER RESOURCES YOU MAY ENJOY: My Instagram account My Facebook page Free Training “Discover How To Eliminate Fear And Negativity In An Instant” Click here to send your questions UPCOMING EVENTS: Join the waitlist for the upcoming Transformational Coaching Program Thank you for listening! With Gratitude, Jim Fortin
Produced by KSQD 90.7, 89.5 & 89.7 FM (Note: You can still hear, but mic was not on but comes back soon) No one present at the battle of Cape Lopez off the coast of West Africa in 1722 could have known that they were on the edge of history. This obscure, yet fierce naval battle, would have a monumental impact on British colonies and the future of slavery in America We will have the honor to be speaking with historian Dr. Angela Sutton, who outlines the complex network of trade routes spanning the Atlantic Ocean trafficked by agents of empire, private merchants, and brutal pirates alike. Drawing from a wide range of primary historical sources, Dr. Sutton offers a new perspective on how a single battle that played a pivotal role in reshaping the trade of enslaved people in ways that affect America to this day. Interview Guest: Dr. Angela C. Sutton, https://twitter.com/DrAngelaSutton, is an assistant research professor at Vanderbilt University, where she has taught Seapower in History, the Golden Age of Piracy, and Comparative Slavery. Dr. Sutton is author of the new book, Pirates of the Slave Trade: The Battle of Cape Lopez and the Birth of an American Institution. She is director of Builders and Defenders, a database of the enslaved and free Black laborers and soldiers who built and defended Fort Negley, a Civil War fortification in Nashville on the UNESCO Routes of Enslaved Peoples, as well as the Fort Negley Descendants Project, an oral history archive of the stories of this population's descendants.
Welcome to Mythlok, the podcast that delves into the rich tapestry of myths and legends from around the world. In this episode, we journey deep into the heart of Africa to unravel the mysterious lore surrounding the Obayifo, an enigmatic vampire that has long lurked in the shadows of African folklore.Join us as we navigate the diverse landscapes of belief systems and cultural traditions, exploring the Obayifo's origins, characteristics, and the chilling tales that have been passed down through generations. From the mystical realms of Ghana to the whispered legends of West Africa, our narrative transcends borders to shed light on the unique aspects of this captivating myth.Immerse yourself in the captivating storytelling as we unveil the cultural significance of the Obayifo and its symbolic representation in African societies. Are these vampiric tales based on real encounters or simply figments of a collective imagination?Tune in to Mythlok and embark on a thrilling journey into the realm of the Obayifo, where folklore and reality blur, and the line between darkness and light becomes tantalizingly thin. Get ready for a podcast that will leave you questioning the boundaries between myth and truth.Read more at https://mythlok.com/obayifo/
On today's podcast, extremist groups spread in West Africa; new research on Eris, a distant member of the solar system; Chinese researchers say the made an AI robot that makes oxygen from rocks, and a discussion on similar systems for Mars exploration; then possessive pronouns on Lesson of the Day.
Meet Rita Wilkins Rita S. Wilkins is a renowned interior design and lifestyle design expert who delivers high-energy keynotes that challenge audiences to disrupt their status quo lives and inspires people to shift their thinking to live with less so they have more time, money and freedom to pursue what matters most to them. After traveling to Senegal, West Africa, Rita was profoundly impacted by people who have so little but were abundantly happy. This experience emboldened a new passion and led her to her own downsizing journey where she fearlessly gave away 95% of her belongings to people who needed them or wanted them so she could live a more fulfilling life with less “stuff.” She learned living with less allowed her to live more. Audiences love her inspirational story and learning her practical strategies they can apply personally and professionally to reimagine, reinvent and redesign the way they live, work and play. Rita is the perfect fit to speak to entrepreneurial leaders, senior executives, corporations and their employees by challenging all those who are steeped in old habits to think differently and re-examine their relationship to their professional life and personal life. She inspires them to reconnect to a sense of well-being and a belief that they can have the life they want. She brings a fresh approach to achieving work/life balance. She has created a framework with her Signature Blueprint Design Process that shows people how to manage their lives to achieve ultimate success and satisfaction. The happiest professionals are ones that not only feel productive but also feel most fulfilled. Her implementable strategies help people maximize their talents, drive productivity to achieve goals, magnify ROI, nurture relationships and leverage their own skills. Countless audiences have been inspired and driven to make big and small changes using her framework for professional and personal success. She shows audiences how to focus on well-being and happiness to achieve a fulfilling work life and also have a great life. Rita's dynamic, transformational speeches inspire, impact and influence people to live the life they love…..by design! Connect with Rita Phone (302) 475-5663 Website: www.RitaWilkins.com GET MY AUDIOBOOK IT ON AUDIBLE! BOOK NOW AVAILABLE ON AMAZON - #1 AMAZON BESTSELLER! Free Download/ 100 Places to Donate https://www.designservicesltd.com/ Connect with Host Terry Lohrbeer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2658545911065461/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/terrylohrbeer/ Instagram: kickassboomers Twitter: @kickassboomers Website: kickassboomers.com Connect to Premiere Podcast Pros for podcast editing: firstname.lastname@example.org LEAVE A REVIEW and join me on my journey to become and stay a Kickass Boomer! Visit http://kickassboomers.com/ to listen to the previous episodes. Also check us out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and LinkedIn. Email email@example.com and connect with me online and on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and LinkedIn.
With the increasing number of nurse practitioners, we find a comparable increase in malpractice suits in which they're involved. Rebecca Paschall, who is both a nurse practitioner and a legal nurse consultant, shares crucial information for LNCs evaluating the work of nurse practitioner charting and liability. While her comments focus mainly on office settings, Rebecca describes how often valuable information may come from those who observed medical errors being played out in hospital settings. A statement by a spouse, roommate, or also a staff member may provide essential documentation in a case. In evaluating an NP's documentation for office visits, it's essential to read the notes thoroughly. Using the example of severe heartburn, Rebecca describes the optimal steps to take to exclude other possible diagnoses. What kinds of tests are done? Is the patient advised to go to the ER under certain conditions? Is a follow up visit scheduled? The LNC also wants to see whether the NP is relying solely on standard templates. How much detail does the practitioner put into the notes? Do various elements of the notes agree with each other? This podcast is filled with critical information not only about what an LNC needs to look for in medical documentation but also how careful, thorough, and accurate charting can protect an NP from legal action. Learn more about Nurse Practitioner Charting and Liability Analysis - Rebecca Paschall How can an LNC best handle omissions and also conflicting reports? Why is it so important to read all of the documentation about a case? What is a SOAP note? What are some common areas for litigation in the case of a nurse practitioner? Why should nurse practitioners be cautious in the use of templates? Listen to our podcasts or watch them using our app, Expert.edu, available at legalnursebusiness.com/expertedu. Get the free transcripts and also learn about other ways to subscribe. Go to Legal Nurse Podcasts subscribe options by using this short link: http://LNC.tips/subscribepodcast. https://youtu.be/TX1sL_eOdRA Announcing LNC Success™ Virtual Conference 9 October 26,27 & 28 Join us for a 3-day virtual event designed for legal nurse consultants just like you LNC Success™ Pat Iyer and Barbara Levin put together THE first Legal Nurse Consulting Virtual Conference in July 2020. They are back with their 8th all-new conference based on what attendees said they'd find most valuable. The LNC Success Conference implementation and also networking event is designed for LNCs at any stage in their career. Build your expertise, also attract higher-paying attorney clients, and take your business to the next level. After the LNC Success™ Virtual Conference, you will leave with clarity, confidence, and also an effective step-by-step action plan that you can immediately implement in your business. Your Presenter of Nurse Practitioner Charting and Liability Analysis - Rebecca Paschall Rebecca Paschall, is a Family Nurse Practitioner who has been in clinical practice in Primary Care, Urgent Care and Community Health for the past 23 years. She is also a former Peace Corps volunteer who served in Cameroon, West Africa in Maternal Child Health. Rebecca graduated from the University of Florida with BA in English and Internal Studies and completed her BSN and Master's Degrees in Nursing at Johns Hopkins University, as a Peace Corps Fellow and National Health Service Corps Scholar. Rebecca has been working independently as a Legal Nurse Consultant since 2013. Rebecca is dedicated to evidence based practice and delivering compassionate health care. Connect with Rebecca www.paschallmedicallegal.com
Learn specific tips on traveling to Cameroon, Senegal and Dominica, plus and the history of Carnival in the Caribbean. ____________________________ SUPPORT OUR SPONSOR: GALACTIC FED I use Galactic Fed for SEO and CRO on The Maverick Show website, but they are an end-to-end digital marketing agency that also offers social media, website design, paid media and more. Get Your Free Marketing Plan at www.GalacticFed.com and mention "Maverick" for 10% off your first month of services. ___________________________ Dr. Clementine Affana and Matt discuss how they met at Nomadness Fest, and Clem then talks about her experience growing up in Cameroon. She reflects on how her mother inspired her both to become a medical doctor and to travel the world. Clem shares her experience going to Medical School on the Caribbean island of Dominica, and the cultural similarities between West Africa and the diaspora in the Caribbean. She then explains the history and cultural significance of “Carnival” and describes her experience in Dominica attending Carnival as well as the World Creole Music Festival. Next, Clem talks about her home country of Cameroon in West Africa and makes specific recommendations for visiting both Cameroon and Senegal. She then gives tips for maximizing your time off work to travel, building a side hustle, and transitioning into a remote career. Clem reflects on the 3 primary ways travel has impacted her and, finally, recommends her top 5 favorite Afrobeat artists. FULL SHOW NOTES AVAILABLE AT: www.TheMaverickShow.com ____________________________________ Subscribe to The Maverick Show's “Monday Minute” Newsletter where I personally send you an email with 3 short items of value to start each week that you can consume in under 60 seconds: www.TheMaverickShow.com/Newsletter See My “Top 10 Apps For Digital Nomads” www.TheMaverickShow.com/Apps See My “Top 10 Books For Digital Nomads” www.TheMaverickShow.com/Books See My “7 Keys For Building A Location-Independent Business” (Even In A Space That Is Not Traditionally Virtual) www.TheMaverickShow.com/Keys Watch My Video Training On “Stylish Minimalist Packing” and Learn How to Travel the World with Carry On Luggage: http://www.TheMaverickShow.com/Packing See The Travel Gear I Use And Recommend: https://ww.TheMaverickShow.com/Gear Learn How You Can Buy Turnkey Rental Properties In The Best U.S. Real Estate Markets From Anywhere: http://www.TheMaverickShow.com/RealEstate See How I Produce The Maverick Show Podcast (The Equipment, Services And Vendors I Use): https://www.TheMaverickShow.com/Production FOLLOW THE MAVERICK SHOW ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Instagram: https://www.Instagram.com/MaverickShowPod/ Twitter: https://www.Twitter.com/MaverickShowPod Tiktok: https://www.TikTok.com/@MaverickShowPod Facebook: https://www.Facebook.com/MaverickShowPodcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/MaverickShowPod/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themaverickshow874 BUY ME A COFFEE: Enjoying the show? Espressos help me produce significantly better podcast episodes! Now you can support The Maverick Show by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/TheMaverickShow
Rev Bill Crews speaks to Gregory Andrews, who two years ago was Australia's highcommissioner to West Africa. Now he's contemplating his mortality on the lawns of Parliament House with a determination to see out his hunger strike for urgent climate action to its ultimate conclusion. You might remember we talked with him last week and received an incredible reaction.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Today we are joined by Culturalist and Historical Trauma Specialist, Iya Affo. She works as a Trauma Specialist and is a descendant of a long line of traditional healers from Benin Republic, West Africa. Leanna Taylor of the Arizona Pet Project also joins the discussion of identifying generational trauma and determining the effects.Support the showwww.civiccipher.comFollow us: @CivicCipher @iamqward @ramsesjaConsideration for today's show was provided by: Major Threads menswear www.MajorThreads.com Hip Hop Weekly Magazine www.hiphopweekly.com The Black Information Network Daily Podcast www.binnews.com
Episode No. 628 features artist Lyle Ashton Harris and curator Scott Allan. The Nasher Museum of Art at Duke University is presenting "Lyle Ashton Harris: Our first and last love," a survey of Harris' career featuring photographs, collage, archival material, and more. It's on view through January 7. 2024. Harris' work engages transatlantic social and political dialogues even has he foregrounds personal struggles, sorrows, and self-illuminations. The exhibition was co-curated by Caitlin Julia Rubin and Lauren Haynes. A catalogue is forthcoming. Harris' work is also included in "Going Dark: The Contemporary Figure at the Edge of Visibility," at the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in New York. The exhibition, which was curated by Ashley James with Faith Hunter, presents works of art that feature partially obscured or hidden figures, works that conceal the body to explore a key tension in contemporary society: the desire to be seen, and the desire to be hidden from sight. It's on view through April 7, 2004. A catalogue was published by the museum. Amazon and Indiebound offer it for about $60-65. With Nii Obodai, Harris is the co-editor of the latest issue of Aperture magazine, which considers the Ghanaian capital of Accra as a site of dynamic photographic voices and histories that connect visual culture in West Africa to the world. It's available from Aperture for $25. Allan curated "Reckoning with Millet's Man with a Hoe," at the J. Paul Getty Museum, Los Angeles. The exhibition is an intensive look at arguably the most historically significant painting in the JPGM's collection of nineteenth-century European art. Man with a Hoe debuted in Paris in 1863, where it was attacked for its depiction and glorification of peasant labor. The exhibition is on view through December 10. The Getty-published catalogue is available from Amazon and Indiebound for about $27-30. Instagram: Lyle Ashton Harris, Scott Allan, Tyler Green.
Photographer Hélène Amouzou, and curator Bindi Vora, capture the in/visibility of refugees and asylum seekers in Europe, moving between 21st century Togo and Belgium in a series of haunting autoportraits. Born in Togo, and now based in Belgium, Hélène Amouzou's self-portraits consider how migration has shaped her identity. Her blurred, ghostly figure, set against suitcases, and the peeling wallpaper of a destitute attic, suggests at the sense of in/visibility, and the particular experiences of women trapped in domestic spaces. These photographs, created during a period where she was seeking political asylum, have become documents of her family's two-decade long journey seeking safety and citizenship during the 1990s and 2000s. As the artist's first exhibition in the UK opens at Autograph, she details her practice, and use of long exposures and sweeping motions to suggest continuities between past and present. Hélène shares Togo's perspectives on northern European countries, as informed by colonial histories and myths. Togoland was a ‘protectorate' of the German Empire in West Africa from 1884 to 1914, an area which included the current state of Togo and much of Ghana, and which Europeans had long dubbed ‘the Slave Coast'. During the First World War, it was invaded by British and French forces, and endured military rule by the latter until its independence in 1960. She likens Belgium's location - similarly placed between France and Germany - whilst curator Bindi Vora connects with her own family's experiences of displacement, herself a second-generation Ugandan-Asian migrant with connections to both Kenya and India. Plus, we discuss the impact of this public exhibition on Hélène's private, intimate practice, and what it means to display these works in the context of the British media discourse about ‘migrant crises'. Hélène Amouzou: Voyages runs at Autograph in London until 20 January 2023. Part of JOURNEYS, a series of episodes leading to EMPIRE LINES 100. For more on Nil Yalter, hear the artist on Exile is a Hard Job (1974-Now) at Ab-Anbar Gallery (@ab_anbar) on EMPIRE LINES: pod.link/1533637675/episode/36b8c7d8d613b78262e54e38ac62e70f WITH: Hélène Amouzou, Togo-born and Belgium-based photographer. Bindi Vora, British-Indian interdisciplinary photographic artist, and curator at Autograph. Her first book is Mountain of Salt (2023), based on a 2020-2021 series of the same name. ART: ‘Hélène Amouzou: Voyages (2023)'. PRODUCER: Jelena Sofronijevic. Follow EMPIRE LINES on Twitter: twitter.com/jelsofron/status/1306563558063271936 And Instagram: instagram.com/empirelinespodcast Support EMPIRE LINES on Patreon: patreon.com/empirelines
Episode 120 Today we are joined by Dr Emily Smith to talk about epidemiology, the dangers of truth telling, and how the story of the Good Samaritan changed everything for her. She is an assistant professor in the department of emergency medicine/surgery at Duke University and at the Duke Global Health Institute (DGHI). During the COVID-19 pandemic, she became known as the Friendly Neighbor Epidemiologist through her social media outlets which reached over 10 million people in 2020-2021. She continues posting on the social account and her Substack blog with a monthly reach of 2-4 million. Her work has been featured in TIME Magazine, NPR, the Washington Post, Christianity Today, and Baptist News Global. Before joining the faculty at Duke University, she spent four years at Baylor University in the department of public health and was a research scholar at DGHI for two years. She received her Ph.D. in epidemiology from the Gillings School of Global Public Health at UNC Chapel Hill and a MSPH from the University of South Carolina. She has been married to her pastor-husband for 20 years and they have two fantastic children, one spoiled golden retriever and a new very-friendly golden doodle puppy. Her debut book, The Science of the Good Samaritan: Thinking Bigger About Loving Our Neighbors, released on Oct. 24, 2023 from Zondervan. I'm very excited to welcome Dr. Emily Smith to the show today. Support this podcast on Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/DowntheWormholepodcast More information at https://www.downthewormhole.com/ produced by Zack Jackson music by Zack Jackson and Barton Willis AI Generated Transcript Ian (00:04.911) Okay. So our guest today is an assistant professor in the department of emergency medicines surgery at Duke university and at the Duke global health Institute. During the COVID-19 pandemic, she became known as the friendly neighbor epidemiologist through her social media outlets, which reached over 10 million people in 2020 and 2021. She continues posting on the social account and her sub stack blog with a monthly reach of two to 4 million people. Her work has been featured in Time Magazine, NPR, The Washington Post, Christianity Today, and Baptist News Global. Before joining the faculty at Duke University, she spent four years at Baylor University in the Department of Public Health and was a research scholar at DGHI for two years. She received her PhD in epidemiology from the Gillings School of Global Public Health at UNC Chapel Hill and MSPH from the University of South Carolina. She's been married to her pastor husband for 20 years and they have two fantastic children. one spoiled golden retriever and a newly and a new very friendly golden doodle puppy. Her debut book, the science of the good Samaritan thinking bigger, bigger about loving our neighbors released on October 24th, 2023. I'm very excited to welcome Dr. Emily Smith to the show today. Emily Smith (01:15.144) I'm very excited to welcome you all. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here for sure. Ian (01:21.518) Yeah. Um, as I was saying before we started recording, you know, I've found you because of your Facebook account and was just always amazed, obviously with your expertise in the science and, um, everything you were sharing, but also your lens as an evangelical Christian. Um, I thought that was really fascinating and trying to work with those two communities, right? Trying to kind of be a boundary, uh, spanning individual for that. But I think before we really get into that. Emily Smith (01:43.734) Yeah. Ian (01:50.162) I would love for you to just kind of talk to us a little bit about what drew you to epidemiology. Emily Smith (01:56.476) Yes, and prior to the pandemic, I don't think a lot of people knew what that word meant. By the way, it's seven syllables, and so throw that into a Thanksgiving meal or something if you need a big word to kind of wow family with. But, you know, people would get us confused with skin doctors, like epidermis instead of epidemics, or entomology, which I think is bugs, right? Yeah, it's just another really big E word. I don't know. So now... Zack Jackson (02:00.95) Ha ha ha. Ian (02:19.548) It is. Yes. Zack Jackson (02:19.756) Yeah. Emily Smith (02:26.068) People know kind of what we are and who we're about just because we've all come out of the pandemic. So if you need the nerdy, jeopardy definition of what that is, before I get into how I got into the field, is the distribution and determinants of disease. And so what makes a disease spread and who is at risk? I tend to say, you know, clinicians and nurses and dentists, they... focus on one-on-one patients at a time, and we focus on one community or population level at a time, so the aggregate of a lot of individuals. I grew up in a tiny town in Eastern New Mexico, 10 miles from the Texas border, so it is West Texas culture, flat land, great sunsets and oil fields, and really good people. But it was a really small town and a lovely town. And I just was always loved science. My eighth grade science teacher started talking about DNA and y'all would have thought he was talking about Beyonce or something. I was just like, what is this? And it's magic. And so he gave me a college textbook. This is as nerdy as it gets. Now it's kind of cool to be a nerd back then in the 90s. I guarantee it was not near as cool to wear glasses. Yeah. Zack Jackson (03:44.687) Ugh. Right? Emily Smith (03:48.5) So he, and I read it, I read it on a band trip, which is like double nerd points. But I just loved science and math. I don't know what it was, but he hooked me up with the first female scientist that I had ever met at Texas Tech University. And I started doing a science fair project with her in high school, because there really wasn't the capacity to do anything like that, you know, at my traditional high school, because it was too small. Ian (03:48.514) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (04:16.668) And so I still thought I'm going to do something in science, but I had also grown up in the church and our family hosted a lot of missionaries that came into our church. And so I heard their stories. They were very gracious to listen to an eight-year-old, nine-year-old little questions about the world and their adventures. So early on, I knew I wanted to do, I thought I wanted to be a missionary and I still just love the science. And so I went to church. The natural way to do that is go pre-med. I kind of thought the only way to do that is through medical school, so let's just do that. So I did, I chose medical school as a goal and took the MCAT, I got into med school, got married straight out of college to my pastor husband, and his first job in the church was all the way across the country in South Carolina. So I had a gap year. Ian (04:50.218) Mm. Zack Jackson (04:50.222) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (05:13.506) Hmm. Emily Smith (05:15.872) And I, I mean, I'm just a nerd, so I decided let's just get another degree because it's what we do when we have a gap year, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, a lot of people might as well. Yeah. And it was in public health because I thought it'd look good for medical school. Day one of epidemiology, my professor, who was really just inspirational anyways, he did the jeopardy definition of epi. But then he said, this is a... Ian (05:22.764) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (05:23.932) Right. Ian (05:25.748) Not as well. Emily Smith (05:44.192) This is an equity science because most of the time we're gonna be working at people who are on the margins in these communities that are marginalized for health or poverty. And growing up in the church, it just clicked in my mind that that's the science of the Good Samaritan. It's quantifying the people who are most at need and then choosing not to walk by. So I didn't go to medical school, went to PhD in Epi instead and history from there. But I... I also remember going to my first mission trip on the Mercy Ship to Honduras. And when the doctors were focusing one-on-one on these people who had traveled a very long way to get to care, I was naturally asking the bigger picture questions about poverty or why this community has such high rates of... you know, diabetes or surgical needs when others didn't. And those are inherently epi questions. I just didn't know it at the time. Ian (06:45.983) That's interesting. Zack Jackson (06:48.766) Yeah. So you mentioned this is the science of the Good Samaritan, which is, uh, the title of your newly released book. Congratulations. Has that been a story that has that clicked with you then, or is this more of a recent connecting of the dots? Has this story been in, in your heart and mind this whole time? Ian (06:48.776) Yeah. Emily Smith (06:52.662) Yeah. Emily Smith (06:58.037) Thank you. Emily Smith (07:10.172) Oh, the whole time, for sure. I love that story of the Good Samaritan. And a lot of people are familiar with it, even if you're not of the Christian faith. You know, it's that story of where there's a man on the side of the road who is very sick. I mean, sick enough, hurt enough, where he can't help himself. And two people walk by. Jesus is telling this story, by the way. And those people are noted as religious leaders. And so they're kind of the people who... Ian (07:11.913) Okay. Emily Smith (07:38.504) represent power and privilege of the day, but there's one person who actually stopped who's the Samaritan. And in that time, that would have been not who you expected to be highlighted in a story. They typically do not have the places of power or privilege in the religious time of the day, but he stopped and he helped the man. And not only that, he helped him, he bandaged him up, he took him to a place to recover, and then he paid for all of it. And it's just a holistic view of what helping, you know, true solidarity and helping means. So I think that story just growing up in the church has always very much resonated with me wanting to do missions. But then when I got into EPPE, it resonated on a scientific level. Ian (08:26.198) Interesting. I love how at the very beginning of the book, you know, you have all those little quotes before you get into the reading itself and, you know, talking, you know, from Mark, uh, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. And then you kind of go into, you know, well, this is what health is the greatest of gifts from Buddhism, perform all work carefully guided by compassion from Hinduism. Then you go on with Islam, Judaism, and then you end, which I thought was really sweet with your kid. Emily Smith (08:32.139) Yeah. Emily Smith (08:52.885) Yeah. Ian (08:54.418) love your neighbor, that's just being a good human. That really resonated with me because I'm actually teaching a science and religion class at UNC Charlotte. And I wanted it to be not a science and Christianity class. I wanted it to focus on multiple religions. And so I'm doing it for the first time. And what, I mean, yes, this is coming more from a Christian lens, but what made you even include all of that in there? Because I thought that was really interesting. Emily Smith (08:57.041) Yeah. Emily Smith (09:04.756) Yeah. Emily Smith (09:24.344) Yes, one of my biggest fears about releasing this book is it being misconstrued as a Christian faith book and making that the center of all faiths. I work with all faiths. I work in predominantly Muslim countries. I've definitely worked with all faiths during the pandemic, but then that quote with my kid at the end. You know, you don't have to be of any faith to just want to be a good human. He said that during the pandemic when he didn't understand why so many people were angry at me. Cause he lived through it. They heard and saw different things too. And so he just couldn't understand why being a good human wasn't just the top of the list for everybody. So I didn't want this book to come out even unconsciously. Zack Jackson (10:06.053) Ugh. Emily Smith (10:22.472) making people feel like you have to be of the Christian faith. That's the center of the world or the center of all faiths. Cause it's just not, there are gorgeous expressions of faith or non-faith or just being a good human around. And I wanted to be very careful in that. Also, when you read the book, you'll see that Christianity has been poorly centered for the sake of conquest or colonialism or We see it even nowadays right here in America of we need to put the 10 commandments back in a courthouse or say a prayer before football games, but that's just a Christian prayer that's not inclusive of all. And I did not wanna be one of those people that even unconsciously said you have to be a Christian because I just, I don't think you do. You're beautiful people in the world. So thank you for talking about that. It was important to start the book for me with that. Zack Jackson (10:54.766) Hmm. Ian (11:15.5) Yeah. Emily Smith (11:19.176) kind of foundation. Zack Jackson (11:21.474) Hmm. Ian (11:22.014) Yeah, I thought that, like I said, it just really resonated with me and it probably because I'm coming from the lens of the class I'm teaching. Um, you know, I am a Christian Episcopalian, but I have always been very curious and fascinated by other religious traditions and I just love learning about them. Um, and so I love that you had that in there. And I just remember right away, just running to my wife, being like, Oh, look at this. And, um, so. Emily Smith (11:28.681) Yeah. Emily Smith (11:39.232) Yeah. Emily Smith (11:45.628) Yeah, well and I also didn't want to proselytize even some unconsciously. It's just I'm not a sneak attack Christian and I don't want to view people as projects. You know, I think the evangelical church has done a really bad job at that. And it's just not in my wheelhouse. I wanted to make that very clear. Zack Jackson (11:52.523) Mm. Ian (12:02.825) Mm-hmm. Ian (12:08.787) Yeah. Zack Jackson (12:09.006) Sneak attack Christians. That's such a good phrase. That... Ian (12:11.955) It is. Emily Smith (12:13.508) People are people, not projects. Ian (12:15.56) Yeah. Zack Jackson (12:15.734) Yeah. Oh man, I got to get that on cross stitch somewhere in my house. Emily Smith (12:19.828) There you go! I like that. Ian (12:22.422) So you in here, you know, not everyone who's listening has read the book yet, but what made you decide when the pandemic started? What made you decide to create your friendly neighbor epidemiologist? Emily Smith (12:38.716) Yeah, and you know, I was at two conferences right when Wuhan was starting to ramp up in March, 2020. And we, this is our training, this is our lane. You know, this is our day to really step in and go for it. So once we saw, and when I say we, I say public health and epidemiologists, we saw how this new virus was acting and what was happening. A lot of us paid attention pretty, significantly to what was happening. Cause what was, it was different than Ebola. You know, Ebola is awful. And hopefully we'll talk about where I talk about that chapter in the book. But when someone is sick and contagious, you kind of know it. Cause it's really horrific in visual. With this, it looked like it was COVID or well, well we weren't even calling it COVID at the time. Whatever was happening. maybe people were spreading it before they even knew they were infectious and contagious. And so it could catch a lot of people off guard. My day job here at Duke is also working with health equity communities around the world in very poor countries where they're affected daily by bad access to healthcare, poverty. And so if this really was going to be the pandemic that people have been predicting for years. the margins were gonna be affected the most. So everything in me was just kind of like rising of uh-oh. So I get home and a lot of people were asking questions of what does flatten the curve mean? Do we need to buy a billion rolls of toilet paper? And the answer was always no. Oh, bye. I know, and don't hoard, that's just classic America, isn't it? But also there was a lot. Ian (14:23.158) People did it anyway though, yeah. Ian (14:29.416) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (14:30.951) Yeah. Emily Smith (14:32.412) And I, I re we all remember, I mean, this is a real fear. I do want to honor that of people who are high risk, the elderly, you know, do I need to be scared basically. And I wanted to calm fears, but not squash them because it was scary. So I decided why not, why don't I just start a Facebook page for the handful of real life neighbors that I had and like my family. Really, I mean, it was just very, very genetic, generic, not genetic. So I named it Friendly because I tend to be too friendly. Like if I sit by you on an airplane, I'm very sorry. Um, cause I, I'm, I really am anyways, it's just who I am. And I'm trying to accept that, but neighbor because of the good Samaritan story, I knew that COVID in particular was going to imply that we needed to neighbor one another well. We were going to have to take care of the margins. There's going to be a lot of solidarity of staying home for those that couldn't. Get the vaccines for those where it would not work. There just was a lot of neighboring that was going to take place. So I named it because of that. I'm also a pastor's wife. So I thought this is going to be prime time for the church, the Big C Church to be the church. And I say that, I know listeners can't hear it, but I say that with a smile, not as sarcasm, but I was so idealistic at, I really thought this was gonna be our time to shine and take care, you know, live, love thy neighbor really out in full blown faith. So I named it Friendly Neighbor Epidemiologist. And the only people that followed at the beginning were real life people that I knew. And then when the pandemic, Ian (16:13.408) Yeah. Emily Smith (16:23.676) started shifting. We all saw this when it became weirdly political. When national leaders started talking about it as the China virus or these othering type, I was going, what is happening? That is not the faith that I ascribe to. And then when it became, you know, faith that were fear, we started hearing that and people started saying that instead of wearing a mask. I was like, you have not read Galatians five in the Bible. Ian (16:37.314) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (16:47.15) Hmm. Emily Smith (16:53.192) You might say faith over fear, but that's not true faith. So I started posting about that too, from this perspective of pure science and then weaving in the faith part to try to help people anchor in a different way than perhaps they were able to anchor at their own churches. And that seemed to resonate with a lot of people for good and bad ways. So then it started going viral. George Floyd was murdered. And I talked... Zack Jackson (17:18.55) Hmm. Emily Smith (17:22.724) into that conversation at, especially in the white church, there's a difference between all lives matter and black lives matter and why that distinction is important. People couldn't understand. So it'd go viral for that. And I wasn't doing this to go viral. I don't actually think I was noticing what was happening because I was just busy writing and daily posting. And then the Capitol riot happened and I wrote about that one and that one really kind of exploded. Zack Jackson (17:29.91) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (17:47.906) Hmm. Emily Smith (17:53.748) So that's how I got into it. I'm sure we can talk about the nuances, but that's how it initially started. Ian (17:59.362) And you alluded to, you know, your children seeing the things being said about you and everything. What surprised you most as it started going viral with the reactions? Like, because you, you share some things in here and that were really challenging to read and you in there though, even said that, um, I will not share everything. And so I just, I can't imagine. Emily Smith (18:13.341) Yeah. Emily Smith (18:19.457) Really? Ian (18:30.134) the pain you went through and, but you, I love that you embraced your vulnerability with that because I also, I'll be honest. Yes, I, I am a Christian, but there are many times, especially over the last several years, and Zach knows this very well that I have a really hard time saying I'm a Christian because of the extreme baggage that comes with it. But I feel like if I say it, I have to qualify it really. And yeah, we had Brian McLaren on, um, Emily Smith (18:47.032) Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yes. Zack Jackson (18:47.054) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (18:53.98) Oh, absolutely. Ian (18:58.342) last, what, May of 22. And we talked a lot about it then as well, because it just the extreme hate that I felt like we were seeing that, I guess, has always been there. But now is more acceptable to be said. And so I'm just curious, you are I've never been a member of an evangelical Christian community in that way. And so I'm just curious what surprised you the most or if you don't mind sharing some of that. Emily Smith (19:00.52) Nice. Emily Smith (19:26.896) Yeah, yes and that you know this portion of the book the book is separated into three different sections centering cost and courage um had to be three c's like a good Baptist I guess but that middle section is the thank you for that or evangelical I grew up charismatic and married a Baptist pastor and now we go to a liturgical church so I'm not sure what I am at this point. Did you? Zack Jackson (19:39.138) Yes. Zack Jackson (19:46.531) same. Ian (19:51.925) Yeah. Zack Jackson (19:52.466) I grew up charismatic and went to a Baptist seminary and married my wife there. And then now I'm a part of a mainline denomination. So look, I'm there with you. Emily Smith (20:01.976) Maybe that's just a natural. There's a lot of us out there. Maybe that's a progression. Yeah. Are you? Yeah, I have to figure out where to, like the call and response, do I say the bold or not? Because I would get it wrong or stand and sit. I just get it wrong a lot, but whatever. The church is fine about it. So the middle cost section is the shortest part of the book. Zack Jackson (20:05.174) Yeah. I'm seeing it more and more. Yeah. Ian (20:06.559) Yeah. Emily Smith (20:27.492) It was by far the hardest to write and the hardest to read on the audio. I read the audio book and when I was recording it, I realized the, these chapters still feel so messy. Um, and it's because I just couldn't do more. I couldn't get it. I couldn't package it in a way that some of the other chapters felt pretty and tidy and bowed up. And anyways, it feels like there's a lot of ums and ohs in that chapter because it is incredibly painful. Zack Jackson (20:39.075) Hmm. Emily Smith (20:57.472) We were in Texas at the time. We were in the belly of the beast, that kind of feels like, of Waco, Texas. Great, great people there. But also the buckle of the Bible belt, probably the latch of the buckle. So what surprised me is when I started talking more and more about faith over fear, we started getting little trickles. I say we. I started getting little trickles of pushback from that online. And, you know, it's horrific stuff. It's not, I mean, you get called names and people, you know, you can put that aside. But when I started getting pictures of people sending pictures of guns and Holocaust imagery to me and saying awful things about my children, you know, threats against them, it became very real. Zack Jackson (21:45.762) Hmm. Emily Smith (21:53.5) And then one day in the middle of it, my husband came in and brought in a letter that was in our mailbox that was written in black and red marker. And it was an awful threat. And it was laced with, you know, you're part of the mark of the beast and a lot of these religious overtones, which I had heard and received for months at that point, but not in my mailbox. I mean, that is when it became too crazy. Zack Jackson (22:11.894) Oof. Ian (22:17.771) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (22:22.732) close. You know, there's a cost that was to me, but then this was going to be a cost to the whole family and to the church, to our church. We ended up leaving the faith community. That not all faith, but that one. Some of the worst threats and harassment I got were people from within my own neighborhood or people that I worshiped with. Those are the ones that I won't share because I just can't talk about it yet. Zack Jackson (22:45.451) Mm. Emily Smith (22:51.676) The book is not a COVID book because I can't talk about it for 200 pages, nor do I think people want to read about it. The cost was awful because we couldn't let our kids go walk in around the neighborhood without one of us. They had safe homes that they could go in if they ever felt scared. They don't know why we were saying that. We just said, if there's a rainstorm, run to these five homes or Ian (22:58.166) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (23:00.579) Hmm. Ian (23:11.19) Hmm. Ian (23:19.49) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (23:20.488) and they still don't know that. And that's very tender for me as a mom to have to hold. And two, at that time, it was also feeling like I was losing a foundation of faith because I grew up with Sandy Patty, Michael W. Smith, Bethel worship, I mean, come on now, really good, yeah. All of that evangelical stuff. And I remember watching the prayer rally that happened in November, 2020, and I'm sure, Zack Jackson (23:39.222) Yes. Emily Smith (23:49.32) you guys watched it as well, you know, on the Capitol steps, Michael W. Smith is there, Franklin Graham, I mean, these, it was a massive thousands of people rally. And this was also at the height of that first surge before vaccines. So my soul could not reconcile how that was standing on faith when I put the number in the book of how many died that day, but it was at the peak of the deaths in the US, like morgue trucks. you know, scenarios. I couldn't, I just couldn't reconcile like, so I felt like we were losing our faith community, losing jobs, you know, or leaving jobs, losing real life friends. And then these foundations that I had just anchored in were, I was just losing that as well. So it's just difficult. I do wish Ian (24:19.915) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (24:45.556) that I could have shielded my family from some of that and just taken more of the brunt of it. But it's just part of the, you know, it's part of the cost of us as a family. And I wanted to put some of that vulnerability in because I think a lot of people, especially from the faith communities, have lost a lot. Or Thanksgiving's and Christmases have been very hard and are still hard. I just get that. Ian (24:55.126) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (24:55.138) Hmm. Zack Jackson (25:09.826) Hmm. Emily Smith (25:12.552) At the same time, it's the tip of the iceberg of what I did put in there. So I wanted to be careful to not put too much just cause I couldn't talk about it. Ian (25:20.235) Yeah. Zack Jackson (25:22.156) Yeah. Ian (25:22.61) When I appreciate, like I said, I appreciate, I I'm someone who embraces vulnerability. Um, and you know, I really love Brene Brown's work around that too. But I very much appreciated you sharing that with all of us and the readers because I just, it was tough. It was tough to read and, um, but I admire that you continued to work a lot. You know, I really appreciate that too, because Emily Smith (25:31.197) Yeah, for sure. Emily Smith (25:48.926) Yeah. Ian (25:52.438) You are still continuing to do what you can to save lives. Emily Smith (25:57.94) Well, and that was a choice. I mean, there was a point in there where a couple of the threats, I mean, we were working with high up authorities at certain parts of it. And I just asked my husband, do we need to just stop? Do I need to, well, do I need to stop basically? Cause I would, I would have just pulled all of it. It was not worth having a child, having one of my kids hurt or worse. And so we took a little bit of a break there in the middle of it to kind of discern and use wisdom and then I just decided to keep going with certain parameters in place of Some cameras and Authorities and some backup plans also Some boundaries around what I would or wouldn't stay who I would or wouldn't listen to I got asked to come on Far right like Breitbart type podcast and just I automatically just saying no to that. I mean, that's just a boundary. So it was a it was a choice to keep going. But it was also at a cost. I mean, that was before I got sick in 2021. My body just said no more. And I just had a I don't know if it's a thunderclap or just a massive migraine never had it before. And it just put me in bed for 15 months. So it Ian (27:23.838) Yeah, that reading that was tough too. I, yeah. And I just, because it just, I felt like your pain that you were experiencing, at least some of it was coming across, which again, I, I appreciated that a lot. Um, and I have a very dear friend of mine that was in my PhD program with that deals with migraines. I don't think she deals with them as much anymore. This was, you know, back between 2004 to 2008, but I knew right before she started the PhD program, Zack Jackson (27:24.148) Ugh. Emily Smith (27:26.952) Was it? Yeah. Emily Smith (27:38.125) Yeah. Ian (27:52.266) she would have them where she would be bedridden for like a month or something like that. And just, I couldn't imagine what that was like, but even, you know, I know I asked you how things are going now with you and your family and you told us prior to recording that things are getting better. And, and, but again, you made the choice to continue trying to save lives. Like I think that's very admirable. And so I, that's one of the reasons why I was so excited to get you here. Emily Smith (27:54.74) Yeah. Oh, for sure. Ian (28:20.934) And to read your book because that truly is admirable because you know, I have faced hateful things just because of stuff I do with science and religion for a long time now, nothing compared to what you've done. But there have been plenty of times where I've thought, I can't, I'm not doing this anymore. Like, it's just not worth it. Um, and it was nowhere near to the scale of what you have experienced. And so I just, I think it gives a lot of people hope. And I just wanted to make sure you knew that. Emily Smith (28:37.333) Yeah. Zack Jackson (28:37.559) Yeah. Emily Smith (28:45.052) Yeah, well thank you. There was also a scrappy piece of me that did not want to let them win. And because there were there were months of being bedridden in an incredibly dark room, I mean laughing would send me to weeks of a migraine that no amount of medicine, including hospital type medicine, would touch. Ian (28:55.039) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (28:55.313) Hmm Emily Smith (29:11.484) And so I, there was a little bit of a fight in me too. I just, I was so terrified that was gonna be the rest of my life. And I was doing everything possible to get out of it. And so now that I've come out of it a little bit more, the tenacity, the scrappiness to keep going means not only did like the bad people, they did not win, but also living into probably who, I am more of myself now than I have ever been because of it, because I'm a whole lot braver and courageous than I thought was actually in me. So thank you for saying that, because I think we hear stories of overcoming something and it looks like it was an overnight thing and you just believed your way out of it. And this is not the prosperity gospel. It is really difficult stuff. Zack Jackson (29:43.149) Mm. Zack Jackson (30:00.311) Hahaha! Zack Jackson (30:04.023) now. Emily Smith (30:08.7) you know, just day by day, I'm just doing, I'm just so grateful to be doing my job again. Ian (30:14.475) Yeah. Ian (30:18.07) Zach, did you have anything to add? Just, yeah. It's just, it's very inspirational, so thank you. Emily Smith (30:23.693) Thank you. Zack Jackson (30:25.222) Oh, you remind me of Julian of Norwich, my favorite dead Christian. Um, are you familiar with her story at all? Yeah. How she, uh, asked, asked Jesus for, uh, an encounter as close to death as possible so she could get to the heart of things and then to come back and be able to share that and the amount of revelation she encountered on those dark nights in that bed, um, changed her. Emily Smith (30:28.618) Yeah. Emily Smith (30:32.574) Yes. Emily Smith (30:35.892) Oh, for sure. Yes, I am. Zack Jackson (30:54.31) and really clarify the rest of her life. And I'm hearing that a lot from you as well. That's beautiful. Emily Smith (31:03.592) Yeah, she was probably a little bit more full of faith in the bed. I was just like, what is happening and I want out. Zack Jackson (31:14.283) Yes, but when she says, yeah, when she says all will be well and all will be well and all manner of things shall be well, she's saying it from that bed. And so it actually means something instead of the sort of, you know, pithy platitudes that you would see on a bumper sticker or a greeting card. And so when you talk about it and you talk about hope and change and good things, I feel, I believe it more. Emily Smith (31:14.842) This is not okay. Emily Smith (31:33.113) For sure. Yeah. Zack Jackson (31:42.262) you know, because you've been through the flames. One of the things that I found Emily Smith (31:42.724) Yeah, that passage in particular that she said is, oh go ahead, there was a little, I was saying one of the things about that passage that you just quoted, that's what my husband would tell me just nearly daily during those really dark times, all shall be well and all, yeah all of that. So that's very special. Zack Jackson (31:53.025) Nope, go ahead. Zack Jackson (32:09.542) Yeah, that's my mantra. I repeat to myself almost a daily basis. Emily Smith (32:14.963) Yes. Zack Jackson (32:17.75) Yeah. One of the things that surprised me in reading some of your work, when I hear about epidemiology, I think of, well, that's spread of disease, clearly. But that's such a small part of your book and a small part of your writing. And I'm reading about gun violence and systemic racism and injustices and economics and... all kinds of things that have nothing to do with disease? Am I reading epidemiology wrong as a study or is it that this is all just a part of how your heart works? Emily Smith (33:03.692) probably a both and of that. But epidemiology is not just the pandemic, epidemic, you know, disease detective type stuff that they make movies of. It's that, but it's also anything that affects a certain group of people differently than another group of people. And so that could be, you know, in my work, that's poverty and children's health. It could be who is affected the most by congenital Zack Jackson (33:05.687) Hmm Emily Smith (33:33.356) chronic type condition. So it's a really broad field than just disease detectives. Zack Jackson (33:41.376) Okay. Ian (33:41.378) All right. Well, so, and I remember your chapter, Trickle Up Economics. And so I'll be honest, Emily, there are so many, like I've now been putting like little markers in here, but I've folded down so many pages that I can't get, oh sorry, I can't get to everything I wanna say. So you made something and I can't find everything again because I just, I have comments on almost every single page. Emily Smith (34:03.124) Oh Zack Jackson (34:09.218) We'll leave a link in the description. Emily Smith (34:09.484) Oh yay! I'm gonna hang your reference business. Thank you. Ian (34:10.414) And your references in the end and stuff. And especially, so, you know, I'm also a fellow academic. And so I just was pulling your references. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is so amazing, honey. And just, and also too, I started down like the anti-racism journey. And I think 2016. And so some of the things I was aware of, but it was nice to also reread it and stuff, but that the chapter on trickle up economics, when you talk about, um, the question you ask us is, do you want to know the main factor per Emily Smith (34:15.613) Yes. Emily Smith (34:26.858) Oh yeah. Ian (34:40.302) Uh, predicted. Do you want to know what main factor predicted descending into poverty and not being able to climb back out, even when you account for everything else and it was having a child who needed surgery, which I was not at all surprised. Obviously it was health related, but that part and the part I'm trying to remember too, is that just for the communities in Somaliland or was that just also applicable worldwide? Emily Smith (34:50.57) Yeah. Emily Smith (35:06.176) it's applicable worldwide that look like, I mean the margins countries, you know, the poorest countries for sure. Yeah, yeah, and that, um, that was not something that we expected either. You know, in my day job, I work in communities like in Somaliland, which is the fourth poorest country of the world, on children who need surgical care. And so we know there's a group of kiddos who can get to, you know, a hospital when they need it. Ian (35:08.17) Okay. Right, yeah. Okay. Emily Smith (35:34.752) there's a whole slew of them that can't for reasons that are not their fault, nor their family's fault. That's the structure system, systemic racism, structural violence type stuff that happens. So we had been working with our community partners within the country for starting in 2016, trying to map out in the country, where are the kids who need the greatest care? How far do they have to travel? I mean, it is hours and hours and hours on wheelbarrows and stuff that is just not equity. It's just not what we would want for our children by a landslide. And then we started teasing the data. This is part of epidemiology that I love is you start with the margins and then you go further in to get the truth of the story. Cause that's what laws and legislations are built on, policies. And we found that There were a group of families in Somaliland that went into poverty because of something and never came out. There were some that were able to climb out of poverty. We see this in the US, right? Someone goes to the ER. If you have an insurance or a nest egg or family members that could chip in, it's going to be a huge expense. Some go into poverty and can come out and others can't. So in Somaliland, that's what happened. And we started looking at those families at what was different about them than the rest of them. I thought it was gonna be the income level of the family or the number of kiddos that they had to feed, but it was having a kid with surgical care. And so we took that to the United Nations as a policy effort in 2019. There was a big summit there for universal health coverage. And it's asking the question of what basically is going to be covered under a universal health coverage package. We know it's going to be vaccines and taking care of the sniffles, you know, primary care stuff. But what about surgery? Because that is what is impoverishing people. So we went to make that statement. And the chapter is about starting with the stories of the margin and then trickle your way back up. Emily Smith (37:48.976) instead of the whole trickle-down capitalism type where you put, you know, a hundred dollars in Jeff Bezos mailbox and you hope it reaches the poorest of the poor in inner Detroit. So it was a very, it was really interesting finding for me, but it also linked the story, their story, hopefully to policy change at the highest levels. Zack Jackson (38:00.546) Hmm. Ian (38:10.634) Yeah. Well, I've always said that I, I think it's, um, shameful that our country, which is the richest country, I believe in the history of the world, that anyone in this country could ever go into poverty because of healthcare or that people are in poverty, but still there's so many things there, right? But that healthcare can make people go bankrupt. I, Emily Smith (38:29.96) and we're the number one. Yeah. Ian (38:39.958) will never understand that with the amount of money and wealth in this one country that that's possible. It just is absolutely mind boggling to me. And then of course it elsewhere, right? I mean, you talk about in this chapter of like the wealth of like the 10 richest people or whatever the number was and what that could do for those countries in the margins, right? But even the margins in our own country. Um, and I just, I found that Emily Smith (38:49.696) Yeah. Emily Smith (38:59.509) Yeah. Emily Smith (39:04.64) Right. Ian (39:08.35) Uh, really interesting. I was really grateful that you went that route with that chapter because I thought it was just so important to see. Emily Smith (39:14.696) Right, and I think that that's where our centering is wrong because this story of medical impoverishment, healthcare impoverishment is in the Bible too. You know, the story of the bleeding woman who had spent her last resort was to go to find Jesus because she had spent all of her money for years trying to get care. And then she touches the hem of his garment to try to be incognito and he stops the crowd for her. Like his center. His majority, his view was not the crowd. It was the medically impoverished woman. So there's a chapter about that too, about his majority, how we can make that, how we can visualize the world. I think perhaps like what he looks like. But I get all the time, we just need more resources or Emily, we just need more money type. And I think that's short-sighted. I don't think that's true. I think we have... in the world enough resources and enough money that we need, we just don't have enough equity. And that's money, that's healthcare. We saw that in the pandemic with the lack of oxygen. There's a whole chapter in there on innovation. Yeah, and in India, yeah, when they were running out of oxygen, it's not because the world lacks oxygen. It's because the US and Zack Jackson (40:18.158) Hmm. Ian (40:25.054) Oh yeah, that was very heartbreaking. Oh yeah, that part, yeah, yeah. Emily Smith (40:40.584) stockpiles of it. And so the question innovation is making sure that oxygen is where it needs to be but also asking the harder systemic questions of why wasn't it there in the first place. That the other chapter in that section on courage is on valuing a life you know how do we value it which I think that one was the hardest one to write outside of the cost chapters. Do you remember those about Ebola? Ian (41:09.574) Yeah. Can we go into that a little bit? That, that was very challenging chapter to read too. You're right. Well, it just, and I'm in a butcher, their names, cause I'm getting to it, but I mean, do you mind telling us the story with that? The doctor who died, but then the other one who didn't. And yeah. Emily Smith (41:10.34) Yeah. Emily Smith (41:15.56) Yeah, go ahead. Emily Smith (41:23.488) Yeah. Emily Smith (41:27.524) Mm-hmm. Yes. So the it starts out introducing you to Dr. Khan. And for those of us in public health and global health, we know who Dr. Khan is. He is the Anthony Fauci of Africa. He had also been prior to the 2016 Ebola outbreak that hit his country and you know, West Africa. We all probably remember that epidemic. He had been working with congressmen here in the US, people, legends like Dr. Paul Farmer, who the book is in part dedicated to, to advocate for pandemic or epidemic preparedness for his hospital or resources for something that, could really cripple their system with not a whole lot of fanfare, not much was done with that type of legislation. So I'm trying to set the stage that he is a, very well known and respected doctor. When Ebola hit in his country, he was also frontline, because he's an MD. So he ended up getting Ebola. And this was in his health system that wasn't given the necessary resources to be ready for this epidemic, even though he was advocating for it. So with Ebola without the support of care, you deteriorate very quickly. Ebola is not highly It's highly fatal without the support, but not here in the US, which is why a lot of people or the people that have gotten it and have received care here have not passed away. So he gets it, he gets very sick, he gets transferred to a MSF unit that was specifically made for Ebola, and he keeps deteriorating. So they were having to make a decision on, do we give him what's called ZMAP? Zack Jackson (42:53.355) Hmm. Emily Smith (43:18.428) And at that point, it was an experimental drug for Ebola. It was the only option available for treatment outside of supportive care like IVs and rehydration. I go into a little bit of detail in the book, but I would definitely encourage people to go read that full story by the New York Times article, and that's in the references. But they made a decision not to give him ZMAP. Now, There were only a few vials of that in the world, one of which was actually at that MSF facility or very close by. He was also asked to be medevaced and that was given, a plane did come, but he was so sick, they refused to take him, cause it was not equipped like we see those, you know, the big ones here. So. He ends up dying just a few days later. Without his family, they finally let a friend go in at the end to be with him. If you reverse time a couple of days, there were two other doctors in West Africa, well, one doctor then a nurse that got Ebola too. Same thing, got very sick, deteriorated, had to make a decision of what to do. They were also asked to be medevaced and there was a conversation about ZMAP to be given to them. Both of them received ZMAP. And not only that, they were medevaced in the state of the art, you know, it looks like a sci-fi book airplane, just equipped with every legit thing possible to keep that contained and landed in here in the US. I remember that. I don't know if y'all remember that on the news where full hazmat suits. Ian (45:01.95) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (45:03.778) Yeah. Emily Smith (45:06.844) there's a team of 15, 20 doctors, and they walked out of that hospital a couple days later recovering. I was very intentional in that chapter who I named by name and who I didn't, because the point I was trying to make was if that was my family, I would move heaven and earth to get them medevaced. So I didn't want to dishonor that. Ian (45:14.207) Yeah. Zack Jackson (45:14.608) Hmm. Emily Smith (45:34.46) The question is more at a 30,000 foot level of who is worthy to get ZMAP? Who is worthy to get oxygen? Who is worthy to get medical resources or free healthcare or free education? How do we value a life and how are people's lives valued? Then when you take that to a country level, who gets what from a country? So as a person of faith, I wanted to write a chapter that honored Dr. Khan, but then the bigger questions too of how should we value people if we are believers of, you know, of the Bible or of what Jesus says. So it was a hard chapter to write. I also wanted to, that mission organization of the two people that got medevacked out were part of Samaritan's Purse, and I had been a vocal. I spoke against Franklin Graham's aspect, how he was treating the pandemic very vocally. So everybody knows what I think about that. I also have really good friends that work at Samaritan's Purse. So it's not about the missions agency. It's about some people having friends in very high places with a whole lot of money to help people in need while others don't and asking the question of why. Ian (46:41.255) Mm-hmm. Ian (46:56.823) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (46:59.906) Hmm. Ian (47:00.07) And I love how you bring it back to equity. Cause that, as you said, that's what this is all about. And which again is very tragic, right? But, um, I wanted to shift if I can, there was another thing I just wanted to, there was a quote that I loved is at the end of the chapter on, um, let's see, which one was this broadening our definition of health. When you're talking about the good Samaritan, I just wanted to read it out. Cause I, I just loved it. I read it to my wife. Emily Smith (47:08.468) Right. Emily Smith (47:23.849) Yeah. Zack Jackson (47:24.184) Hmm. Ian (47:30.522) And I just was really happy with this one. But you say blast paragraph, by the way, did the Samaritan tell the man the gospel or preach to him or hand out a tract? The parable doesn't tell us anything like that. I have a hunch Jesus would have mentioned it if it were important to the point he was making at the time, but he didn't. What he modeled for us with, with this story as being a neighbor and word indeed. And I actually was on a zoom meeting with, uh, my priest. It was last Wednesday. So, you know, nine days ago and other lay leaders in our church. And I just was telling them that we were interviewing you and then read that to them because I really part of my struggle is when people the certainty aspect of things that they this is the way we're supposed to behave. Or, you know, it's my way or the highway when it comes to being a person of faith. And I just love that you pointed that out of just there. That's not in there. And you were right. Right. When I read it, I just was like, oh, my gosh, that's yeah. Emily Smith (48:16.905) Yeah. Zack Jackson (48:22.902) Hmm. Ian (48:28.554) Like that's a great lens to take to it. To show that was not the purpose. And I loved that. And I just, oh, absolutely. Yeah. Emily Smith (48:28.821) Yeah. Emily Smith (48:34.272) Right. Well, don't you think he would have put it in there? I mean, Jesus is super duper smart. Yeah, I mean, he's he was very sneaky and intentional with the parables and how he told the stories. So I think he would have let us know that we needed to put a track in there before we gave people health care. But gosh, I mean, unconditional love is not conditional on viewing people as projects or Ian (48:47.68) Yeah. Emily Smith (49:01.196) proselytizing. So I just wanted, especially in the evangelical church, to, you know, we do things with, or we should do things just out of a goodness of heart. Because we're, I mean, it says in the Bible too, when we do these, you do it unto me. When you take care of the poor and feed and clothe, then you take, you do it for him. And so I keep in, I think keeping that perspective, I think we should do more of it in the evangelical church for sure. Zack Jackson (49:31.903) You mentioned the evangelical church. You have a chapter in here called Topics Too Many Evangelicals Don't Want to Talk About. I would expand that to topics that Christians in general don't talk enough about. What sorts of things should we be talking about in our faith communities? Emily Smith (49:38.932) Sure. Emily Smith (49:43.315) Yes. Emily Smith (49:50.2) Yes, I wrote that because when I got back from that UN meeting that I was, I told you about earlier, you know, I'm a pastor's wife and so we get in there for Sunday school and somebody called me a socialist and I did not know, I didn't know how to respond because it caught me so much off guard that wait a minute, I just told you we were talking about like poverty, you know, we can all agree that that's a problem and let's help. So I, it Ian (50:03.441) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (50:04.074) Hahaha Emily Smith (50:17.564) it made me realize we need a conversation about what some of these topics are. It also came out of the pandemic, you know, when I would talk about structural violence or systemic racism or Black Lives Matter, climate change, there was such this hubbub of we don't want to talk about it or overtones of we just don't go there. But I think when we hold those to the sky, they reflect heaven So I wanted to make, the whole first part of the book is on that, how to talk about that in non-threatening but challenging ways still. Then that last chapter on making the connections between climate change and poverty and the margins to try to at least let pastors know, talk about it from the pulpit. And here are some ways that you can talk about it where you don't have to scream. You know, you don't have to come across as a crazy liberal if you're in a predominantly Republican Texas type church. But they are holy words because they are equity words. So that's what that chapter is about. Thank you for bringing that up. I chuckled at the title. Ian (51:33.75) Yeah. Zack Jackson (51:34.598) It made me chuckle too as an evangelical who's been, well, former evangelical who's been accused of all kinds of things that, you know, is Jesus taught me, you know. I have a shirt that says, um, cast down the mighty, lift up the oppressed, uh, feed the hungry, send the rich away empty handed. And I often get accused of like Marxism for that. And I say, Emily Smith (51:44.86) Yeah. Right. Ian (51:45.438) Yeah. So then how good. Emily Smith (52:01.236) Oh sure, yeah. Zack Jackson (52:02.294) That's the Magnificat. Mary says that. Hahaha. Emily Smith (52:06.953) Right. Or Jesus' first sermon, you know, when he rolls out the scroll from Isaiah, that is full of captives free and the oppressed and yeah. Yeah. Zack Jackson (52:11.465) Mmm. Zack Jackson (52:16.35) Yeah, good news to the poor. Yeah. Ian (52:18.43) Yeah. So kind of adding to that chapter in particular, you know, the pandemic, you know, there was already lots of divisions in our society, obviously pandemic, I believe made it much worse and more in our face. And so I'm curious, you know, especially as someone who does work with, uh, trying to figure out ways to combat misinformation, science misinformation in particular. Um, Emily Smith (52:33.546) Yeah. Ian (52:46.878) with either from my education lens or just research or work I do. You know, I started when you started seeing the, uh, the increased hesitancy around the vaccine, um, that really started raising a lot of flags for me of like, this is not ending that we're going to see this. This is going to, you know, spread to hesitancies and laws against other vaccines that have made it so that diseases that have been eradicated from our country. solely because of those vaccines, those will come back. Um, and so I'm just curious, you know, the white evangelical community has a lot of power. And so how can one start to have conversations with those communities? You know, I've never been a member, so I know it'd be hard for me, but you were a member and you went through a lot because of what you were trying to do. How, how do we get back in to be able to figure out ways to work with those communities to build that trust again? Emily Smith (53:45.577) Yeah. Ian (53:45.598) Right. And to help them realize that the science is not there to get them. It's not evil. It's trying to save lives. I mean, that's the point. And so how would you recommend we do that? Emily Smith (53:55.209) Yeah. Emily Smith (53:59.884) I wonder if I would recommend something different if I answered this question in five years because I still feel like it's too close. But I think one of the biggest things is knowing who is actually going to have a conversation with you and who is not and having the wisdom to just leave the room or leave a church. Like it's okay. We don't leave a church because we don't like the color of the carpet. You know, I'm not that type of Christian. But Zack Jackson (54:16.215) Hmm. Emily Smith (54:29.668) If there are real equity things and faith issues, I think it is okay to leave a church. So if, I don't know, leave friends, lose friends. I know that's hard when there are kids and youth and some people have to stick with it. If you do stay and you're trying to have these conversations, I would be really careful to guard your heart on what you let in and... what you hear because it can pummel you, which is why I wanted to write some of that cost section so vulnerably. I wish I would have known a little bit more, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if I would have had some of the wisdom to not go to every fight that I was invited to. So, and there's a chapter on that, on the wisdom of Nehemiah having that type. Yeah, thank you. I would also... Ian (55:18.172) Mm-hmm. Ian (55:21.566) Yeah, I liked that chapter a lot. That's very good. Emily Smith (55:27.56) tell people to be very cognizant, to pay attention to people who are not learning or listening anymore. Because the evangelical church has an incredible amount of power, always have. You know, like faith and prayer at football games where I grew up was still going on in the 90s and 2000s. It's probably still going on. Ten Commandments. And so we think that should be the norm or the centered of everything else when it actually shouldn't. And if somebody can understand why I just said that and why it matters, that's a person who listens. If others just dig in their heels more and we want the good old days, but don't realize those good old days were awful for a wide group of like Black Americans, any immigrants, then we've missed the point. So I think I'm, I don't think I'm answering your question. I think I'm telling people to be careful. Yeah, and also just to, there's this whole notion in the evangelical space that we just need to come together and get along. And that phrase really bothers me because that inherently denotes that there are two sides that need to come together, that both are weighted equally. And in that case, sure, let's come together because that's the center, but. Ian (56:23.878) No, you are. Yeah. Zack Jackson (56:26.402) Yeah. Emily Smith (56:48.84) When you have two sides and one is their voices have had the microphone longer than another side, it's time to equal out that balance where both sides can be heard. And that is still just certainly not going on, especially with science. Zack Jackson (57:00.034) Yeah. Zack Jackson (57:04.766) Right. So it's less about finding the middle point between two things and more thinking about it like a binary star system where the one that is the center of gravity has to do with the relative mass of each one. And so a big star and a small star, the center of gravity is going to be closer to the big star because that's where the mass is. And when we're talking about Emily Smith (57:27.37) Yeah. Zack Jackson (57:31.866) On this side, we have a climatologist, and on this side, we have your uncle on Facebook. Then, the center of gravity is not going to be in the middle of those two things, right? Emily Smith (57:38.636) Sure. Ian (57:41.931) Right. Emily Smith (57:42.948) Yes, or even in, I'm working with some indigenous communities in Brazil and listening a lot longer as a researcher of what their health needs are, including how to overcome them. So talking with traditional healers and valuing and honoring where people's stories are and their needs more than maybe a preconceived idea of what I think it should be. Zack Jackson (58:00.75) Hmm. Ian (58:13.098) Well, we are. Yeah. Well, so I just had a couple of smaller questions if that's all right. Um, and I just appreciate your time really do. But, so I'm curious, especially for you with your expertise, you know, as we reflect back on COVID-19 and this pandemic, um, it's natural for us to think about what we could have done differently. And I'm curious what your thoughts on that, but also too, what can we learn from this to better prepare? Zack Jackson (58:13.266) We're nearing the end. So if you want to. Emily Smith (58:19.584) Good. Ian (58:43.542) for future outbreaks of infectious diseases. Cause I might say another pandemic's gonna happen right away, but there will be outbreaks of infectious diseases. We know that. And so I'm just curious, what are the things that we can learn from this to try to do more preventative measures in the future? Like what would you recommend? Emily Smith (59:03.083) Yeah. recommend starting a conversation on trust in people's expertise instead of feeling like you're the expert on everything, which is a classic American thought. You know, we're very individualistic and so I think that could start, that's very 30,000 foot, but trust the experts. But then finding the community champions within the communities that are speaking from a place of their own. You know, I think that's why part of why I went viral is because I was speaking into my own community. I knew the language. I loved the church. I understood what pastors and their families were going through. So if you can find those and that means, you know, if we have distrust in some sort of science or the vaccines, then find the communities where that distrust is and then find the people there that are the champions. I just think it's a trust, it's a value issue. I know people don't like to hear about the political stuff, but who we vote for matters in very real ways on the ground, and we saw that. So I think having conversations about that too, you know, we are not voters of just one issue. If you are, that is going to trickle to a billion other types of issues. Letting people, especially like my children, I've got a teenager telling her about the importance of who you vote for and why that matters. Ian (01:00:43.958) So is there anything that you want to share? Anything else we should have asked but didn't? Emily Smith (01:00:51.684) No, I mean, I hope if anything for the book, I hope that it makes people laugh. Because there's a lot of stories in there that hopefully are funny. There's really silly pictures from my science fair board. Please go look at that. It's fantastic and a little over the top. But I also hope it... Yes. Zack Jackson (01:01:03.844) I'm going to go. Ian (01:01:06.464) Yes. Ian (01:01:12.402) I think the picture, if I can say the picture that you're staring at, I forgot who you're staring at, but you talk about that you have it. Uh, oh yeah. That picture of the board is great, but then the picture of you staring at somebody and you put, you have that framed on your desk. I, who was that again? I, I couldn't find that again in the book right now. Emily Smith (01:01:21.33) Yes. It's. Emily Smith (01:01:27.222) It's, yes, it's Dr. Tedros. He's the WHO president and I ran into him at the UN and that is my picture of me, like total fan girl moment with him. Yeah. Zack Jackson (01:01:38.382) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Ian (01:01:39.851) It was hilarious. And I just, I mean, I'm sure we've all done it. I do that with people all the time, but yours was captured on camera. And I love that you framed it and have put it on your own desk because I just find that hilarious. Like that's just such a wonderful story. Emily Smith (01:01:51.228) Yeah, I have- Emily Smith (01:01:55.372) Well, I have one that's a real one. I mean, they took one where we're both looking at the camera, legit, but I just keep it, because it was how I felt at the time. And... Oh, I'd like to show the card. Oh, thank you. Ian (01:02:05.662) When I love that you shared it with us, like I just, you know, I could totally envision it. And then all of a sudden I see the picture. I'm like, yeah, that's, that's what I was thinking. Like it just, that was really cool. Yeah. Zack Jackson (01:02:07.53) Yeah. Emily Smith (01:02:13.549) Yeah, this is a fangirl. Yeah. So. Zack Jackson (01:02:15.55) Yeah. And a completely honest review for those who are listeners and who hopefully trust the things that we say and do is that this book is really heartfelt. It is fact filled and it is driven by story and your own personal experience instead of just, you know, here's a list of objective facts. And for me, that not only conveys truth. in a way that is easier to digest, but also shows how authentic you are and how important this book is, how much of your own soul is encapsulated in this and how much of your own experience and growth from a young and idealistic nerd who's going to save the world, who gets jaded and cynical, but then finds hope and emerges on the other side stronger and I think all of our listeners should find a copy at your local bookstore or if you have to on Amazon. Or listen to the audiobook which is recorded by you and that must have been a fun experience. Emily Smith (01:03:25.176) Yes, it was fun. It's very hard to do too to just read it harder than expected, but it was fun to do. Ian (01:03:29.703) I'm back. Well, and if I can just add to that, I think that's a great, um, thumbs up there, Zach and recommendation for this book. I can't recommend it enough for people. I think it's an outstanding book. Um, I agree with everything Zach said, but I loved, I just absolutely loved that you couched it in the good Samaritan story. And also in Jesus, the second commandment to us about love, I neighbor a
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In this uplifting episode 41, Lisette explores the multifaceted power of gratitude. From personal stories to expert insights, discover how being thankful can not only elevate your personal and professional life but also strengthen your relationships and community ties. You will learn the following: - Personal stories that exemplify the impact of gratitude. - how gratitude strengthens relationships and networks. - Insights into the psychological benefits and elevation that gratitude brings. - Practical tips for incorporating gratitude into daily routines. - The role of gratitude in community service and personal growth. Thank you for tuning in to this month's episode of My UpYourConfidence podcast. --------------------------- You can also connect with your host on Instagram where she posts daily posts on how to stay confident @zsquare4africa To find more information on the podcast, check out the website at https://zsquaresolutionsinc.com/stem-camp/ My coaching Program Focus2Mastery is starting soon and enrollment has started, you can find all info https://zsquare.mykajabi.com/Focus2Mastery I also offer confidence coaching program, you can find all the info here You can support our show with a donation to Zsquare4theCure, a non for profit organization that empowers and educates women in West Africa on breast cancer and provides FREE breast exam and treatments. Go to https://www.flipcause.com/secure/cause_pdetails/MTE2Njk2 to donate - This is a non-profit created by our host Lisette Zounon that has impacted over 20,000 women in West Africa since our inception in 2012. All the proceeds supporting this show and future shows go directly to fund Zsquare4theCure programs. To learn more about Zsquare4theCure 2030 Impact goals and our work, visit our website at https://zsquare4thecure.org/
In this episode of Ventures, I (https://linkedin.com/in/wclittle) walk through a number of updates with my for-profit and nonprofit venture work. I talk about Prota Ventures, our second fund, how we get operationally involved in our portfolio companies, and who we serve. As an example, I discuss my involvement with AI Layer, which is a new company providing AI inference computing services that leverages an upcoming Web3 protocol that will be decentralized and widely available next year. Finally, I talk about updates - and my volunteering involvement - with Impact Stream and Real Escape from the Sex Trade (REST). Visit https://satchel.works/@wclittle/ventures-episode-158 for more information. You can watch this episode via video here. 0:30 - quick overview of Will's bio and current activities - check out https://www.protaventures.com 1:15 - More about how Prota Ventures services Founders, Investors, and Talent. 2:00 - Investing multiple forms of capital (not just financial capital)2:40 - More about AI Layer - decentralized compute for AI inference3:45 - West Africa work - Impact Stream updates http://impact.stream - local people solving local problems 4:35 - Beyond the standard development work, more about the well-drilling business5:15 - More specifically about Impact Stream's vision of connecting digital communities to IRL impact. Quadratic Voting mechanism. Local projects and funding pool on-chain.6:36 - More about Real Escape from the Sex Trade (REST) see more from Episode 2 → https://satchel.works/@wclittle/ventures-episode-3
Ms.Iya Affo is a Historical Trauma Specialist and is a descendant of a long line of traditional healers from Benin Republic, West Africa. She joins Host Ramses Ja on today's podcast to discuss the topic of generational trauma and how she works to bring healing to those families impacted by it. Part 3 of a 3 part series. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (U California Press, 2022) examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. From the 1920s to the 1940s, Black intellectuals in Europe, Africa, and the Caribbean established theories of colonialism and racism as structures that must be understood, and resisted, on a global scale. In this richly textured book, Musab Younis gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. Bringing together literary and political texts from Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, France, the United States, and elsewhere, Younis excavates a vibrant and understudied tradition of international political thought. From the British and French colonial occupations of West Africa to the struggles of African Americans, the hypocrisy of French promises of 'assimilation, ' and the many-sided attacks on the sovereignties of Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia, On the Scale of the World shows how racialized imperialism provoked critical responses across the interwar Black Atlantic. By transcending the boundaries of any single imperial system, these counternarratives of global order enabled new ways of thinking about race, nation, and empire. Elisa Prosperetti is an Assistant Professor in International History at the National Institute of Education in Singapore. Her research focuses on the connected histories of education and development in postcolonial West Africa. Contact her at here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network
On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (U California Press, 2022) examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. From the 1920s to the 1940s, Black intellectuals in Europe, Africa, and the Caribbean established theories of colonialism and racism as structures that must be understood, and resisted, on a global scale. In this richly textured book, Musab Younis gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. Bringing together literary and political texts from Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, France, the United States, and elsewhere, Younis excavates a vibrant and understudied tradition of international political thought. From the British and French colonial occupations of West Africa to the struggles of African Americans, the hypocrisy of French promises of 'assimilation, ' and the many-sided attacks on the sovereignties of Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia, On the Scale of the World shows how racialized imperialism provoked critical responses across the interwar Black Atlantic. By transcending the boundaries of any single imperial system, these counternarratives of global order enabled new ways of thinking about race, nation, and empire. Elisa Prosperetti is an Assistant Professor in International History at the National Institute of Education in Singapore. Her research focuses on the connected histories of education and development in postcolonial West Africa. Contact her at here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/french-studies
Gamal Turawa has lived many lives - but never fitted in As the first openly gay black officer in London's Metropolitan Police, he struggled to find his way while reckoning with his past. Adopted into a white family as a baby, Gamal was hoodwinked by his father as a boy and ended up living as a teenage beggar on the streets of Lagos, until a chance encounter saw him find work as a magician's assistant, hyping up crowds across West Africa. Presenter: Mobeen Azhar Producers: Charlie Towler and Harry Graham Editor: Laura Thomas
On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (U California Press, 2022) examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. From the 1920s to the 1940s, Black intellectuals in Europe, Africa, and the Caribbean established theories of colonialism and racism as structures that must be understood, and resisted, on a global scale. In this richly textured book, Musab Younis gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. Bringing together literary and political texts from Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, France, the United States, and elsewhere, Younis excavates a vibrant and understudied tradition of international political thought. From the British and French colonial occupations of West Africa to the struggles of African Americans, the hypocrisy of French promises of 'assimilation, ' and the many-sided attacks on the sovereignties of Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia, On the Scale of the World shows how racialized imperialism provoked critical responses across the interwar Black Atlantic. By transcending the boundaries of any single imperial system, these counternarratives of global order enabled new ways of thinking about race, nation, and empire. Elisa Prosperetti is an Assistant Professor in International History at the National Institute of Education in Singapore. Her research focuses on the connected histories of education and development in postcolonial West Africa. Contact her at here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/critical-theory
On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (U California Press, 2022) examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. From the 1920s to the 1940s, Black intellectuals in Europe, Africa, and the Caribbean established theories of colonialism and racism as structures that must be understood, and resisted, on a global scale. In this richly textured book, Musab Younis gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. Bringing together literary and political texts from Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, France, the United States, and elsewhere, Younis excavates a vibrant and understudied tradition of international political thought. From the British and French colonial occupations of West Africa to the struggles of African Americans, the hypocrisy of French promises of 'assimilation, ' and the many-sided attacks on the sovereignties of Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia, On the Scale of the World shows how racialized imperialism provoked critical responses across the interwar Black Atlantic. By transcending the boundaries of any single imperial system, these counternarratives of global order enabled new ways of thinking about race, nation, and empire. Elisa Prosperetti is an Assistant Professor in International History at the National Institute of Education in Singapore. Her research focuses on the connected histories of education and development in postcolonial West Africa. Contact her at here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/african-american-studies
On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (U California Press, 2022) examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. From the 1920s to the 1940s, Black intellectuals in Europe, Africa, and the Caribbean established theories of colonialism and racism as structures that must be understood, and resisted, on a global scale. In this richly textured book, Musab Younis gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. Bringing together literary and political texts from Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, France, the United States, and elsewhere, Younis excavates a vibrant and understudied tradition of international political thought. From the British and French colonial occupations of West Africa to the struggles of African Americans, the hypocrisy of French promises of 'assimilation, ' and the many-sided attacks on the sovereignties of Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia, On the Scale of the World shows how racialized imperialism provoked critical responses across the interwar Black Atlantic. By transcending the boundaries of any single imperial system, these counternarratives of global order enabled new ways of thinking about race, nation, and empire. Elisa Prosperetti is an Assistant Professor in International History at the National Institute of Education in Singapore. Her research focuses on the connected histories of education and development in postcolonial West Africa. Contact her at here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/african-studies
On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (U California Press, 2022) examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. From the 1920s to the 1940s, Black intellectuals in Europe, Africa, and the Caribbean established theories of colonialism and racism as structures that must be understood, and resisted, on a global scale. In this richly textured book, Musab Younis gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. Bringing together literary and political texts from Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, France, the United States, and elsewhere, Younis excavates a vibrant and understudied tradition of international political thought. From the British and French colonial occupations of West Africa to the struggles of African Americans, the hypocrisy of French promises of 'assimilation, ' and the many-sided attacks on the sovereignties of Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia, On the Scale of the World shows how racialized imperialism provoked critical responses across the interwar Black Atlantic. By transcending the boundaries of any single imperial system, these counternarratives of global order enabled new ways of thinking about race, nation, and empire. Elisa Prosperetti is an Assistant Professor in International History at the National Institute of Education in Singapore. Her research focuses on the connected histories of education and development in postcolonial West Africa. Contact her at here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/intellectual-history
On the Scale of the World: The Formation of Black Anticolonial Thought (U California Press, 2022) examines the reverberations of anticolonial ideas that spread across the Atlantic between the two world wars. From the 1920s to the 1940s, Black intellectuals in Europe, Africa, and the Caribbean established theories of colonialism and racism as structures that must be understood, and resisted, on a global scale. In this richly textured book, Musab Younis gathers the work of writers and poets, journalists and editors, historians and political theorists whose insights speak urgently to contemporary movements for liberation. Bringing together literary and political texts from Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, France, the United States, and elsewhere, Younis excavates a vibrant and understudied tradition of international political thought. From the British and French colonial occupations of West Africa to the struggles of African Americans, the hypocrisy of French promises of 'assimilation, ' and the many-sided attacks on the sovereignties of Haiti, Liberia, and Ethiopia, On the Scale of the World shows how racialized imperialism provoked critical responses across the interwar Black Atlantic. By transcending the boundaries of any single imperial system, these counternarratives of global order enabled new ways of thinking about race, nation, and empire. Elisa Prosperetti is an Assistant Professor in International History at the National Institute of Education in Singapore. Her research focuses on the connected histories of education and development in postcolonial West Africa. Contact her at here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/history
Welcome to Hope for the Caregiver here on American Family Radio. This is Peter Rosenberger. This is the program for you as a family caregiver. How you doing? How you holding up? What's going on with you? Those and more are the type of questions that we ask ourselves as family caregivers that I ask you. I want you to ask me, how are we doing? How are we holding up? And you can see more about why I do what I do here, how we do it, who we're doing it for all at HopeForTheCaregiver.com. HopeForTheCaregiver.com. I want to continue our conversation that we were having last week about the 1-2-30 Last week we just spent time on help. Today, we're going to finish the phrase which is help me, me, money and endurance. We're going to talk about that just to review for those of you who maybe missed it last time. Under your health, get an annual flu shot. Some people don't. Want to take a flu shot? Some people medically don't feel they can do that, but I still recommend it. That's kind of a guide. But the whole point of this is not religion. I'm not setting up some type of institution that you got to, this is what we got to do. You know, I was driving to Bozeman the other day. We had an early snowstorm. We got about 80 inches of snow and it was pretty cold too. It was about 15 degrees when I was driving over there. When you get a lot of steam coming off of the river as you go through, and it gets very foggy to drive through the canyon that I have to go through to get there. Between the steam and the fog and the snow-covered road, sometimes it's hard to know where the road is. And that's why I'm grateful they have those reflectors so close. And sometimes they're double tiered because of the amount of snow we get. And it just helps me know where the road is. And so that's all this is, just a reminder of where's the road? Where's the path? We don't have to put ourselves under any kind of bondage to follow this. We just come up with tools that may help us. So, for your health, one annual flu shot, two well visits a year, and 30 minutes daily of physical activity. okay, and if you can't get a flu shot or you don't want to get a flu shot, please don't get all bent out of shape about that this is just a suggestion, and two well visits a year well, why wait a whole year to find out at your annual physical that you have high blood pressure or your sugar is real high or you know yada yada yada 30 minutes a day of something physical do something physical And for your emotions, how about a counseling visit? You know, once a month, just once a month to spend time with a counselor, a trained mental health professional, two support groups over the course of a month. They're not going to fix the problem. That's not what they're there for. They're there to better equip you to deal with the challenge you deal with. And most of the challenges we deal with, we will find are internal. It's how we respond to the things outside us that we don't like, which creates a lot of stress for us. So we better learn how to take things in stride and carry things and be flexible and be at peace with the ambiguity and all those kinds of things. Well, those are things that you can get from being around others, struggling with the same stuff, getting some help from a trained professional, and then spend 30 days a year in church. Okay. We as caregivers can't always go every Sunday, but we can aim for it. Why? Well, it's important that we have community around us, that we're hearing the gospel being preached to us and make sure it's a church that is grounded in biblical authority in the scriptures, not, you know, some type of, um, motivational speaker with a religious flair. Let's try to avoid that. Those are not helpful things. Okay. But let's go to a place where they better equip you with the studies of the scriptures to have a deeper walk with the Lord. Okay. And in knowledge, we should all be theologians showing up at church, the study of God, Not religion, which is the study of man's approach to God. Let's go with theology. Let's study. Let's learn. Let's pursue God. We can know God. He's given us his word to be able to do so. And let's do that in a community of believers for several reasons. One of them, it's going to strengthen us for the journey. But the other thing is, more importantly, scripture commands us to do it. Forsake not the assembly. Scripture states so. Those are things that one to thirty for your emotions So, you know counseling visit once a month again, don't put yourself under bondage to adhere to that Just consider that as a goal and it may be just for a season that you do this to support groups a month and you could do them virtually if you need to and and 30 days in church per year for your emotions and then for your lifestyle, something for yourself every week. Do something, one thing. for you. Have a vacation from being a caregiver. Again, we may not be able to do that at one time, but that's a day and a half a month. And you may have to split that out by hours. So if you've got a day and a half, a month, so that's 30 hours a month that you could take one hour a day to take a break from being a caregiver, roughly. I mean, you see how you do the math. Don't again, don't put this as some kind of unrealistic burden on yourself. Just make this a goal. You know what? I'm going to take, I'm going to take a little bit of time off from this. You can, anybody can find 30 minutes somewhere. Okay. And then as part of that lifestyle, listen to 30 minutes a day of something funny. Get laughter back in your life. I know your circumstances are dire. So are ours, but we laugh and it's important to laugh. Ecclesiastes says there's a time to weep and a time to laugh. We have plenty of time to weep as caregivers. Do we laugh? Okay, it's really important that we do this. And then the P of help is for our profession. And I recommend this. I do it for myself. One training class per year to learn a new skill. And I don't care what it is. You may learn Excel spreadsheets on your computer. You may learn how to garden. You may learn how to cook better. There's all kinds of cooking classes. You know, Graham Care, who's been on this program, The Galloping Gourmet, just a wonderful man. He's got a whole series of things on Amazon and other places that you can go and learn how to cook better. from him on heart healthy stuff you can do and it's really good stuff. I mean he's been out there a long time. But, you know, you can go out there and get that if you want to learn how to cook better, which I recommend doing because, you know, who doesn't want to be a better cook? Cooking can be a chore for us as caregivers. I understand that. But still, I like to prepare and I like to get in there and try new things. I'm fairly adventurous in the kitchen and I make a great venison taco. I've tried, I've had elk Stroganoff and elk spaghetti sauce and I try all kinds of different things. You never know. I mean, do you know how to cook game? Do you know how to cook this? Do you know how to make a good roast? Do you know how to, you know, do things that will bring a lot of flavor to your life, but learn something. I took a class last year at Hillsdale College on C.S. Lewis and Christianity. 30-part class, free. It's just lectures and I listen to it and you take a little test. I passed it, got a certificate. So, you know, there's always something you can learn. As an employee, in your profession, you can always improve yourself with some kind of training. And then, two performance meetings a year with your supervisor. Why wait for an annual one to find out there may be a problem? Have two, just to make sure that there's good communication. And then, as part of that, by the way, give a good day's work. Be forthright with your boss. Let them know what's going on with you. You don't have to give all the details, but let them know what's going on. And then ask for and give flexibility to the best of your abilities. And then 30 minutes a day away from your desk or phone during office hours. 1-2-30. One training class, two performance meetings, 30 minutes daily. So those are just some tips that I came up with. I don't normally give tips, but it's something I do for me. He will be strong to deliver me safe and the joy of the Lord Welcome back to Home for the Caregiver. This is Peter Rosenberger. This is the program for you as a family caregiver. That is my wife, Gracie, with Russ Taff, off of her CD, Resilient. By the way, if you want to get a copy of that CD, the easiest way to do it is go out to, I should call this number, 615-297-7000. 5388 at Logos Bookstore. 615-297-5388. And Gracie's fussing at me because I haven't loaded that on so that you can download it from iTunes and everything else. You can do individual songs, but you know, you can go out there to iTunes and Amazon Prime and all that kind of stuff. You can do it, but I haven't done it. I've had a few other things going on in my life so I'm working on it and I'm trying to build a page. You can see some of it right now. See what you think at PeterRosenberger.com with all my product pages and so forth. So feel free to take a look and see what you think. We're trying to update a lot of things. and it's Peter Rosenberger, R-O-S-E-N-B-E-R-G-E-R.com. It's a new page I'm doing. I'm going to link to it from the Hope for the Caregiver page, but I'm just trying some things and we're working fast and furious on that. So anyway, all right, let's get back to the Help Me 1230 program that I came up with. And on this, We address the me, M, me, help me. The M is for money. So how do you deal with your money as a caregiver? What do you do with one, two, thirty? Well, here's something I came up with. All right. Again, you don't have to do this. It's something that helps me. I come up with one charity to financially support. One charity has nothing to do with being a caregiver, has nothing to do with all the other things I deal with. It's me putting something towards helping someone else financially. You don't have to spend a lot. You can do $5 a year, but do something that focuses on supporting something other than your own world. Get outside yourself a little bit. Find a worthwhile cause. Could be anything. I mean, there's so many different worthwhile causes. I would recommend, by the way, if you listen to this program regularly, support American Family Radio. Okay. Just go online at AFR.net and support them. You're getting something out of this. Are you giving something back to them? Okay, you're, you're, you're benefiting from this and they are working hard. I've been in, I've got to know these folks pretty well over the years that I've been on the air with them. And these people work pretty hard to, to stay focused on bringing a clear message of the gospel through geopolitical events, through teachings, through all kinds of things that they do. So support them. If everybody in this audience that benefits from what I'm saying and doing here went out to AFR and just pledged, I don't know, ten bucks a month. You know, that would be a huge thing for them. This is a big audience. Ten bucks. Whatever it is that the Lord lays on your heart, but do something that is supporting something else. Besides Yourself. Push yourself to support, to give. Okay? So that's something we can do. It gets our mind off of our misery and lets us know that we are doing something that has greater value. One charity that you could support and get involved with it. Okay? Two meetings per year with some type of financial advisor or an accountant. Just to go over everything to make sure it's solid. Are your taxes being paid? I was talking to a caregiver the other day who's way behind on filing income tax. I don't know that he has to pay that much, but you have to file them. Death in taxes. Okay. I mean, that's just render under Caesar and Caesar's very demanding. So let's stay on top of that. Let's don't get behind. You don't need to add that kind of pressure. For those of you who are professionally in that world, financial reps and accountants and so forth, if you are looking to help someone that's a caregiver, call your pastor and say, look, I'd love to sit down with any caregiver here. I'm not trying to germ up business. I'm going to do this just to be able to help. and sit down with them and make sure that they're okay financially, that they have some kind of plan. Don't sell them anything. You're not trying to make a living off of these people. You're just wanting to help. It would be a huge help, and I bet you your pastor would know somebody in the church who could benefit from that. just to sit down, have a conversation, make sure everything's up to date. You know, it may be a situation where you'll have to charge them something down the road, but I'm not trying to create leads for you for your business. I'm just saying, this is how you help a caregiver. If a caregiver looks tired, I bet you their wallets look tired too. Their purses look tired too. Okay. So sit down as a caregiver with somebody who is a trained financial expert in their field. Interview with is a must. Okay? It's really important that we be smart financially. And if we don't know how to do something, there are plenty of people that do. So seek out good financial counsel. Make sure that all of your filings are done on time. Make sure that you're properly deducting stuff. Did you know you could deduct all kinds of things that are caregiver related? Mileage. back and forth to the pharmacy or back and forth to doctor's offices and things such as that. Ask about that sort of thing. Maybe it's possible for you. Okay. Just get some, get some good eyes, trained eyeballs on you, just like we're doing with doctors, just like we're doing with counselors. Now we're dealing with our money and it's money's tight. I know that. But as I've often said, it's not a lack of resources. It's often a lack of resourcefulness. And it's very important. Today is a great day to start making healthy financial decisions. Don't beat yourself up over what you did last week. Man, I have made so many financial blunders, but I don't have to do it again today. I can learn from that and I can seek out counsel from people who are better trained and wiser and smarter at this sort of thing. and they can give me good counsel. And if they won't spend the time to help you, shake the dust off your feet and go to another one. You know, there's people out there that will help if you ask for help. They'll help you. But be very specific and intentional of what you're dealing with. What is the pressing issue? So the best way to start sometimes is, okay, are all of your filings up to date? All of your tax returns, all that kind of stuff. If it's up to date, We're in good shape. Let's go to the next issue. You know, the next issue, the next issue, just chip away at this. You didn't get here overnight. You're not going to get out of it overnight. And you say, well, Peter, I don't have any money. So it doesn't really matter. Everybody's got something. If you're completely destitute, that's a different conversation. But I don't think that you are at this point. So let's start making good financially healthy decisions right now. Okay. Right now. And then the 30. So we've got one charity that you can support. Think about somebody else's challenges other than your own. Two meetings per year with a financial advisor or an accountant of some type that can go through your stuff and, and help you develop a solid plan. Remember I had, um, the gown here. A while back, his name is Hans Scheele. Finishing Well is his podcast. You can go out, he has an amazing library of podcasts you can go out and listen to for free. And Hans said something great on this program. He said, don't avoid calling me just because you don't think I can afford it. Let me make that decision. Okay, so I thought that's an open invitation. You can reach out to him at his website and let him talk to you about it and see what may be available. You don't have to start with, you know, $100,000. You can start with $1. Okay, that's the goal is for you to start. So don't be embarrassed, don't be ashamed, don't be afraid. Just step out in boldness and say, I am going to start making better financial decisions today and I'm going to seek the help of somebody who can help me do it. Okay. Commit to that. and then 30. Now what is 30? What are we going to do? 1, 2, and 30. Remember everything is 1, 2, and 30. So what are we going to do with 30? Well, here's what I suggest. Try squirreling away $30 from every paycheck into some type of savings or investment. Try squirreling it away. Okay? You may not be able to right now. Some of us, you know, I know what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck. I know what it's like to live You know, under paycheck to paycheck that you're like, okay, well, I'm only going to go into debt this much this month. You know, I've been there. I mean, Gracie's cost is fortune. I mean, it's the numbers are staggering for what Gracie's journey has cost. And then you have lost labor cost that they don't even figure that in of what I could be making. with, you know, without these types of encumbrances that we have on us. But here we are. So shoot for 30. You may be able to do, you know, 300. You may be able to do 3,000. Some of you may be able to do 30,000 a month. I don't know, but the point is you're doing something that you're socking it away. You're putting into some type of savings or investment that's going to help you. And that's where trained financial advisors can help you. It may be that you're starting off really small, but the discipline of doing that is going to be a game changer. And speaking of discipline, tithe, that's also going to force you into a discipline financially. And this is what scripture commands of us. So tithe and watch God work. I mean, God says in the scripture, test me in this, watch him work, but say, Lord, I'm going to be responsible for my finances. And I am going to tithe to where I'm being spiritually fed in my church. And I'm going to support my church. And if you're making a hundred dollars a week, You tithe $10. Yes, that's going to be tough. There are people that can give all kinds of great big gifts to church. That's not what Jesus is looking for here. Do you remember the story of the widow and two mites? Because she's giving all she has to give. Okay? God is not limited, nor does He require you to support Him. He's not limited to your support. He's not requiring your support in the sense that He's got to have it. It's a discipline for us to be able to say in faith, we're going to rely on God to supply all our needs according to his riches and glory through Christ Jesus. Okay. It's going to push us. It's going to be tough and we're going to have to make hard decisions, but that's just part of being a caregiver. We make hard decisions all the time, but now we're going to make healthy decisions. They may be hard, but they're healthy. This is Peter Rosenberger. We'll be right back. We're going to wrap up with our Help Me 1230 program that I developed for myself of just things to remember for me. And the last one is E, help me, M-E, endurance, E for endurance. How do we, how do we endure? How do we stay focused on this? One daily outside contact with positive and loving friends. Find a friend somewhere that you can call. Phone a friend. Just call them up and listen to someone who is speaking life into your life, who's a positive person, who loves you, cares for you. Reach out to them. I don't care if it's just to talk about the weather. I don't care if it's to tell the joke of the day. Just find somebody outside of your home and your caregiving world that you can call. Okay, that's one. The two, everything is 1-2-30, two hours per week of just me time. Just you. Two hours. You can find two hours. Don't tell me you can't, because you can. I'm going to pull rank on you. Not many of you all have been a caregiver for as long as I have, or through what I've been through, and I can find it. So if I can find it, you can find it. You may have to be creative, may not be able to do it all at once, but find two hours somewhere. just for you. Where I live here in Montana, I get out on a horse. Okay, some of you may not be able to do that, particularly if you live in urban environments, but that's what I do for me. In the wintertime, it's a snowmobile, sometimes just for a walk. I said one of the other things to find something 30 minutes that you could watch that's funny every day, just something, maybe just combine a couple of these things, but make it for you. Spend time practicing. When I sit down at the piano and practice, I'm not just trying to learn how to play better, I am communicating from the depths of my soul. That's how I do it musically. Some of you paint, some of you garden, some of you Some of you like to needlepoint. Some of you like to, you know, create all kinds of things, whether it's knitting and who knows, whatever. I don't care. It doesn't matter. Just find something that's for you and do that for two hours every week. And then take 30 minutes a day and you can find this to be still, to have some kind of devotional time, to be quiet, just to be still. If you do not take time for stillness, you will make time for illness, but learn to be still. Okay. Look through all the scripture. How many times you hear the Lord say through scripture, be still, y'all be quiet, simmer down now, be still. Okay. Learn to be still. 30 minutes a day. It's a discipline. You may not get it the first time you go first 10 times you go, but you can try to work towards that. of Learning to Be Still. Quieten your thoughts. 1-2-30. Our Help Me program. And that's just something I came up with to give a guideline to myself and to fellow caregivers. Please, again, do not feel like you've got to somehow adhere to this. as far as with some type of rigidity, but just use it as a way of keeping you back on the main road. We can get lost in the weeds so easily. So, 1-2-30, and I'm going to leave you with a bonus 1-2-30, okay? A bonus 1-2-30. You're not having to pay any extra for this, all right? There are times when we just Money, Endurance, And Caregivers If you don't see nail prints, then this ain't yours to fix. You are responsible for your own actions and what comes out of your mouth, your thoughts, words, and deeds. One day our Savior's plan is going to be clear and all of this will be made right for those who trust in Him. And that's where our faith comes in. And I cling to that promise. God will wipe all the tears from their eyes and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow nor crying. Neither shall there be any more pain for the former things are passed away. It's a book of revelations. We have a Savior. That's why I love Keith Green's hymn, There is a Redeemer, Jesus, God's own Son. I just love that hymn. I love that hymn. There is a Redeemer. There is a Savior. And we're not that Redeemer or Savior. Okay, so you have one Savior. And then two, remember everything is 1, 2, 30. And then two hymns. Now for me, these are the two hymns that I remember that come to me in moments when it's just overpowering. And most of us feel overwhelmed, overpowered, and outmatched on a good day. On a bad day, we're just feeling completely engulfed. But in those moments, There are great hymns of the faith of people who have been there before us, who live to write about it, who live to sing about it, some who even live to laugh about it. But in this particular case, this hymn, and you all know this hymn, It Is Well With My Soul. When sorrows like sea billows roll, whatever my lot thou hast taught me to say, it is well with my soul. How many of you all know that hymn? It is one of the most widely recognized hymns in the entire world. I remember in a clinic in Ghana where we're treating amputees and the waiting room was filled with amputees. If you've ever been in a room filled with amputees, it is extraordinary. And there must have been 30, 45 people there. All these different amputees, women, men, children, and we're putting legs on them. This is what we do at Standing With Hope, standingwithhope.com if you want to go see more about that. And they're all singing, It Is Well With My Soul. Now, let me tell you something. If you hear a room full of amputees singing with their whole being, It Is Well With My Soul, that is an extraordinary and memorable event. And if they can do it, you can too. So remember that. Two hymns. The second one I remember is Great is Thy Faithfulness. Great is thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me. Morning by morning new mercies I see. All I have needed thy hand hath provided. Can you hang on to those two hymns? It is well and great is thy faithfulness. There may be others that you want to do. Huge repository of hymns out there that we just all but ignore in our modern day church. I would recommend we not ignore them. But you go back and look at them. But those two are pretty familiar. Hang on to those. One, Savior. Two, hymns. And then 30 words. 30 words. You think you memorized these 30 words? I bet you already have. Listen to these 30 words that have sustained billions. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. You've already memorized those 30 words. Many of you are saying it with me. Say it again. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. One Savior, two hymns, thirty words. One is just piling on you. You may not be able to remember anything else, but you can remember that you have a Savior. You can remember that your loved one has a Savior, and you ain't that Savior. You can remember to look down at your hands And when you don't see nail prints, you can remember that you're not that savior, that this is way above your ability to fix, and you can trust him. You can remember two hymns that sustain you in moments when clarity and your ability to even think is just out the window. And you can say, when sorrows like sea billows roll whatever my lot, thou hast taught me to say it as well with my soul. If Horatio Spafford can pin that over the watery graves of his children and say that with conviction, and the world sings that, and if a room full of amputees waiting on a prosthetic leg in Ghana, West Africa can say that, so can you and I. And then 30 words. 1-230. I've given you the best I got of this today, and I'll put this out on the podcast and you can go ahead and reference it again, but I thought it might be helpful to you today to listen to some of these things to guide you back on the main road. This is Peter Rosenberger. This is Hope for the Caregiver. Hopeforthecaregiver.com. We'll see you next time.