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You can listen to the complete episode on our new podcast The Rub!To hear the full version of each interview, check out our Patreon!Witness the dawn of a healthcare revolution with Healwell, where the nurturing power of touch meets the rigor of palliative care. Join the Healwell team of Cal Cates, Kerry Jordan, Laura Bryant-Earner,  Rebecca Sturgeon, and Corey Rivera as we reveal the heartfelt aspirations and bold missions driving our nonprofit organization. Together, we dissect the formidable task of integrating palliative massage therapy into mainstream healthcare, advocating for a future where the art of human connection through touch is not just an afterthought, but a fundamental pillar.We're not just hands-on practitioners; we're educators, advocates, and most importantly, agents of change, envisioning a world where the healing touch of massage transcends traditional healthcare boundaries. Through our stories, you'll discover how we're crafting a new narrative for massage therapy—one where passion and professional growth coalesce to shape a brighter, more empathetic future.The episode culminates with a call to join the ranks of those challenging the status quo and fostering a community of growth and camaraderie. As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, Healwell is a testament to the power of collective action and unyielding dedication to enhancing the human experience. Whether you're a practitioner, a patient, or simply a believer in the transformative potential of compassionate care, your support and participation are the keystones to this healthcare revolution. Thank you for sharing in our journey—a journey toward a more compassionate and inclusive world, one massage at a time.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

This episode originally aired in August 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast.Pam Fitch is back! This time, it's conversational. Cathy, Cal, and Pam tackle the touch question of what to do when your client is expressing uncomfortable opinions.**********About Our Guest:For more than thirty years, Canadian massage therapy educator, writer, researcher and long-time practitioner, Pamela Fitch, has explored professional, ethical and communicative challenges faced by manual therapists. She remains particularly interested in how massage therapy affects clients who have experienced trauma, post-traumatic stress and complex pain conditions. A committed educator, she has been recognized with several awards for teaching.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

This episode originally aired in October 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast.Cal and Cathy welcome Dawn Hogue to the podcast to talk about human trafficking, how it intersects with massage therapy, and our responsibility as humans and as professionals.**********About Our Guest:Dawn M. Hogue, MA, LMTA graduate of the Cayce/Reilly® School of Massage, Dawn has been in the healing arts profession over 20 years. She serves as the Executive Director for COMTA where she manages the business operations, compliance responsibilities, and support of all Commission activities. Dawn was appointed to the Massage Therapy Advisory Board for the Virginia Department of Health Professions in 2015 and was a member of the Human Trafficking Task Force for the Federation of State Massage Therapy Boards. Dawn is a graduate of Naropa University having earned a Master's degree in Somatic Psychology. Trained in the Matrixworks model of leadership and group facilitation, she is passionate about holistic health and supporting others on their path of personal and professional development.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

This week, Cathy and Cal talk with Gordon MacDonald, Executive Director of the RMTBC, about the return to practice.This episode originally aired in June 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast.**********About Our Guest:Gordon has a long history of working at a senior level within British Columbia's health care, education and regulatory sectors. Most recently he was Senior Consultant at Health Match BC where he was responsible for collaborating with each of the province's seven health authorities in the recruitment of registered nurses, physicians and allied health professionals. Previously he held the positions of Vice President, Regulation and Program Development, CIBT Education Group, and Associate Director, Douglas College where he was responsible for development and administration of a number of retraining programs for internationally educated health professionals, including their Skills Connect program. He is the former Executive Director/Registrar of the College of Licensed Practical Nurses of BC and formerly the Program Director, Healthcare Labour Adjustment Agency of BC where he was responsible for overseeing and developing training and transition programs for the health care professionals affected by the restructuring of the BC health care system.Gordon has been the lead on a number of key projects in the health sector including the development of Prior Learning Assessment tools for internationally educated health care professions seeking practice registration as well as managing the development of courses in nursing, medical imaging and laboratory technology. He has provided strategic leadership in working with several health regulatory bodies, both provincially and nationally.Additionally, he has served on several boards and committees. He has been a member of the Health Human Resources Advisory Committee for the BC Ministry of Health, the BC Labour Force Development Board for the Ministry of Labour and the BC SARS Strategy Committee. He is currently the Executive Director of the Registered Massage Therapists' Association of British Columbia and Secretary of the Canadian Massage Therapy Alliance.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

This episode originally aired in April 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast.Cathy and Cal welcome the one and only Ann Blair Kennedy to the podcast this week -- a guest so fancy she only needs initials. (ABK)**********About Our Guest:ANN BLAIR KENNEDY, LMT, BCTMB, DRPHUniversity of South Carolina School of Medicine GreenvilleDr. Kennedy is an Assistant Professor at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine Greenville in the Department of Biomedical Sciences. She became a board certified and a South Carolina licensed massage therapist in 1999 and was in clinical practice prior to pursuing her Doctor of Public Health degree in Health Promotion, Education, and Behavior from the University of South Carolina. She completed her Postdoctoral Fellowship in the Human Performance Lab at the USC School of Medicine Greenville in April 2017. Dr. Kennedy's specific research interests include: patient and stakeholder engagement in research, implementation monitoring and process evaluation, integrative medicine, and stress/wellness particularly in health professionals. Finally, she is the Director of the Patient Engagement Studio and the Executive Editor/Editor-in-Chief of the International Journal of Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork.Cathy and Cal welcome the one and only Ann Blair Kennedy to the podcast this week -- a guest so fancy she only needs initials. (ABK)**********About Our Guest:ANN BLAIR KENNEDY, LMT, BCTMB, DRPHUniversity of South Carolina School of Medicine GreenvilleDr. Kennedy is an Assistant Professor at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine Greenville in the Department of Biomedical Sciences. She became a board certified and a South Carolina licensed massage therapist in 1999 and was in clinical practice prior to pursuing her Doctor of Public Health degree in Health Promotion, Education, and Behavior from the University of South Carolina. She completed her Postdoctoral Fellowship in the Human Performance Lab at the USC School of Medicine Greenville in April 2017. Dr. Kennedy's specific research interests include: patient and stakeholder engagement in research, implementation monitoring and process evaluation, integrative medicine, and stress/wellness particularly in health professionals. Finally, she is the Director of the PatSupport the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

This episode originally aired in April 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast.Cal and Cathy talk with the legendary John Balletto.About Our Guest:John Balletto is a licensed massage therapist, author, educator, and mentor in private practice in Rhode Island. He is a past National Vice-President of the American Massage Therapy Association, past President of the Massage Therapy Foundation, and currently holds memberships in the Associated Bodywork and Massage Professionals, the Alliance for Massage Therapy Education, and the Kinesio Taping Association International.In addition to his private practice, John is on the faculty of the Downeast School of Massage in Waldoboro, ME and serves as the massage therapist for several collegiate and professional athletic teams. Currently, John is the Chair of the RI State Board of Licensed Massage Therapists.A graduate of Bates College, Lewiston, ME, John is an avid walker, cyclist, gardener, beekeeper and nature photographer. He lives with his wife, Janet, in Warwick, RI.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

This episode originally aired in April 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast.COVID-19 has affected many industries around the world, Massage Therapy being one of them. Everyone is trying to navigate through this critical time.Join Dr. Donelda Gowan on the Massage Therapy Without Borders podcast to discuss the world of massage therapy after COVID-19 and the opportunities it presents.**********About Our GuestDr. Gowan is the Research Chair of the Board at MTAS and a highly qualified health professional offering her insight into how the profession can grow in the new landscape emerging from the effects of COVID-19.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

This episode originally aired in April, 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast.Cal Cates and Cathy Ryan welcome Pam Fitch to discuss the question of essential vs. non-essential, and how massage therapy fits into healthcare, even while we are not practicing.**********About Our Guest:For more than thirty years, Canadian massage therapy educator, writer, researcher and long-time practitioner, Pamela Fitch, has explored professional, ethical and communicative challenges faced by manual therapists. She remains particularly interested in how massage therapy affects clients who have experienced trauma, post-traumatic stress and complex pain conditions. A committed educator, she has been recognized with several awards for teaching.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

Interdisciplinary has ended, but our new podcast "The Rub" will begin January 2024!Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

Corey and Cal talk with Paul Malley, President of Aging with Dignity, about Five Wishes. Five Wishes is a legal advanced care planning program without the legalese.  Cal comes a little late because they had a small snafu involving a lack of available ATMs and a tradesman who only accepted cash.Links: Five WishesAging With DignityThe Coalition to Transform Advanced Care (C-TAC)Paul Malley is president of Aging with Dignity, a position to which he was named in 2002. He previously served as the organization's communications director since 1998. With nearly 20 years of experience in the field of aging and advance care planning, Paul is a national expert, frequent speaker, and advocate for quality and dignified care at the end of life. He served on the Florida delegation for the White House Conference on Aging, and is a member of the national Coalition to Transform Advanced Care. Paul holds a Master of Arts degree in Communications from Florida State University.Support the showCheck out our new podcast! The Rub: a podcast about massage therapyGiving Tuesday is over, but you can still support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Find bonus content from Interdisciplinary and early release episodes for our current show: "The Rub" on Patreon! Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Find a copy of Rebecca Sturgeon's book: "Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care" Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary!...

Corey talks with Cal about Cal's experience and interest in death and dying, the two classes they facilitate about it, and about their last day teaching Healwell's hospital based massage therapy class during which Corey causes Cal to cry a little, and has already apologized for it.Links:Opening to the Mystery A Year to LiveCheck out this amazing blog post Cal wrote: "Motels, T-shirts and Evil"Guest bio:Cal is one of Healwell's founders and its Executive Director.Cal speaks around the world on a variety of topics related to integrative medicine, emotional self-care for practitioners and the mechanics and politics of introducing massage therapy into clinical settings.They* have been participating in research, teaching and developing curriculum for massage therapy courses focused on hospital-based practice, oncology massage and end of life care since 2007. Cal is passionate about elevating the profession of massage therapy and also about broader and more seamless integration of massage therapists into mainstream healthcare.*Cal is non-binary and uses the pronouns they, their, and them when being referred to in the third person.Support the showSupport the show with a Buzzsprout subscription!It's almost Giving Tuesday! You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

Episode description:Corey talks with Isabella Carr, the Deathfat Doula about the word "fat," death, and dying as a fat person.Links:Deathfat DoulaThe Fat Lip PodcastMaintenance Phase PodcastThe Appalachian Retreat + SpaTwo Whole Cakes: Leslie KinzelNAAFA- National Association to Advance Fat AcceptanceShilo GeorgeFategories: Understanding the Fat Spectrum from Fluffy Kitten PartyGuest bio:Isabella Carr is a writer, theologian, and deathworker specializing in end-of-life care, education, and advocacy for deviant bodies. Isabella is currently a graduate student at Harvard Divinity School and studied under Death Doula LA. Her doula and research focus is a material and theological project called Deathfat: Fat Funerals and Futurities. As a doula, Isabella focuses on providing clear and compassionate care to ensure fat people are able to access the best care possible. Isabella graduated from the University of Southern California with a degree in religion and wrote her thesis on fat sexuality and religion. She has spent much of her professional career working with marginalized communities and is dedicated to accessibility and autonomy in life and death.Support the showSupport the show with a Buzzsprout subscription!It's almost Giving Tuesday! You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

Episode description: Corey talks with Heather Costigan and Cindy Bramble from Project Talk about their research and the power of a game to change the conversation.Guest Links:Published Research:Low Skepticism and Positive Attitudes About Advance Care Planning Among African Americans: a National, Mixed Methods Cohort StudyAssociation of Participation in an End-of-Life Conversation Game With Advance Care Planning Behavior and Perspectives Among African American IndividualsSuccess of a Community-Based Delivery at Recruiting Individuals from Underserved Communities for an Observational Cohort Study of an Advance Care Planning InterventionLinks:Project TalkBecome a Project Talk Host!Hello GameConversation ProjectConversation Project VideoHospice Foundation of AmericaPrincipal Investigator Dr. Lauren Van ScoyIRB- Institutional Review Boards FAQRO1 National Institute of Health Research Grant Information Guest Bios:Cindy Bramble is the Director of Special Projects for Hospice Foundation of America where she manages their major grant projects, including the current NIH collaborative research study with Penn State Hershey Medical Center, Project Talk Trial. She serves as the community outreach project manager and a research assist for Project Talk, overseeingSupport the showSupport the show with a Buzzsprout subscription!It's almost Giving Tuesday! You can support Healwell and the cool things we make by donating here!Other ways to help and join in: Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org Check Healwell's live and online classes Continue the conversation with a two-week free trial of the Healwell Community Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

Today, Corey is talking with Will Craig, owner of ELDR, a company that provides guidance on approaching end-of-life planning effectively.ELDR's mission statement:"We are on a mission to empower and equip people to conclude life smoothly and be remembered well. When you plan in advance of a health crisis, challenging events go more smoothly later, and your life becomes powerfully informed by the reality of its impermanence now."Show notes:ELDR websiteRespecting Choices websitePeterson Institute for International EconomicsAbout our guest:Will's life's work can be summed up with one simple phrase: Propelling people's growth to produce meaningful new outcomes. Nothing energizes him like helping someone clarify a problem and find their way to solving it.He's fulfilled this calling on a human-to-human level as a teacher, trainer, coach, and father. At the systems level, he's served as a president, CFO, strategist, and founder. Will says his greatest strength is as a generalist. “I am highly adaptable and listen carefully to help people get their arms around a challenge, break it into bite-size pieces, then set to work with courage and a good plan,” he explained.As a preacher's kid, Will grew up in a household where our inevitable death was a regular conversation topic, so planning for it was a no-brainer. Since the subject is so comfortable for him, he can bring a down-to-earth, straightforward approach to his work with clients and end of life educators.Will's mission is to recenter the larger cultural conversation around death to make it more pragmatic, and something we prepared for in advance like other major life events. “When it comes to end of life education and planning, the need is great, but follow-through is sparse,” he said. “Clients count on me to bring my compassionate side as a strong listener, as well as my detail-oriented, strategic side to get the job done.”Assoc. Bodywork & Massage Professionals Discover why our members expect more and get more with ABMP.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showSupport the show with a Buzzsprout subscription!Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts**********Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org***********Check Healwell's live and online classes**********Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community**********Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here***********Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

This episode originally aired in October 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcastCal and Cathy talk with Meghan Mari and Rachel Fairweather of Jing Advanced Massage Training Schools of Brighton, UK.**********About Our Guests:www.jingmassage.comRachel Fairweather & Meghan Mari are the dynamic co-founders and directors of Jing Advanced Massage Training (www.jingmassage.com), a UK based company providing degree level hands on and online training for all who are passionate about massage. Jing is unique in being the only school to offer degree level training in massage, soft tissue therapy and research skills in the UK and successful graduates of our 3 year programme have carried out research into all areas of soft tissue therapy.Both Rachel and Meghan have degrees in Psychology and have trained extensively in Eastern and Western bodywork. Rachel holds a Postgraduate Diploma in Social Work. an AOS in Massage Therapy and is an licensed massage therapist. Meghan is a New York Licensed massage therapist, Certified Holistic Health Educator, and holds a Masters in International Law.Rachel and Meghan are also authors of “Massage Fusion: The Jing method for the treatment of chronic pain” published by Handspring in 2015.Rachel and Meghan have over 30 years combined experience in the industry working as advanced therapists and trainers, first in New York and now throughout the UK. Due to their extensive experience, undeniable passion and intense dedication, Rachel and Meghan are sought after international guest lecturers, write regularly for professional trade magazines, and together have twice received awards for outstanding achievement in their fieldSupport the showLeave us a review on Apple Podcasts**********Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org***********Check Healwell's live and online classes**********Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community**********Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here***********Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

Episode description:Cal and Corey talk to Laura Lyster-Mensh, death doula in residence at Congressional Cemetery in Washington DC about making death an open topic of conversation.**********Resources:Laura Collins Lyster-Mensh: Author, podcaster, rabble rouser ​and death doulaLife, Death and Grave Robbery in a Historic Cemetery, PhD Thesis by Rebecca Boggs RobertsWrite your own obituaryDeath Positive Programming at Congressional CemeterySwedish Death CleaningMarie Kondo revealed she's 'kind of given up' on being so tidyDust to Dust: A Guide to Green Burials at Congressional CemeteryThe Landscape of Health Care in Wards 7 and 8About Our Guest: Laura Lyster-Mensh, MS, is an American writer who has been founding organizations to solve problems all her life, including three international non-profits. She is the author of four books, and has produced four podcast projects, and is currently serving as Death Doula in residence at Historic Congressional Cemetery in Washington DC. She enjoys being old, and doesn't mind being mortal. Support the showLeave us a review on Apple Podcasts**********Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org***********Check Healwell's live and online classes**********Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community**********Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here***********Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

Episode description: Corey and Dr Marisa Allison talk about co-ops, community and the possibilities for massage therapy. ********** Resources: REI Co-op Nap Ministry Sustainable Economies Law Center International Co-op Alliance Democracy at Work Institute Solidarity Economics Aorta: Autumn Brown Rochelle Capital Cat with Cookies comic by Molly Crabapple Collective Courage by Jessica Gordon Nembhard ********** Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org About Our Guest: Dr. Marisa Allison graduated with her Ph.D. in Public and Applied Sociology from George Mason University in December 2022. While working on her doctoral degree, Marisa served as the Research Director with the New Faculty Majority Foundation, a grassroots research and advocacy non-profit focused on improving the working conditions for contingent faculty in higher education. With a strong commitment to organic public sociology, action research, and liberatory higher education, Marisa entered into the emerging field of critical university studies after several years in the higher education movement arena where her scholarship and activism has focused on academic labor conditions, gendered work, student debt, and corporate influence in higher education. Marisa has been involved in the academic labor movement in the U.S. for the last 13 years, working with unions and campus organizers to better labor conditions on college and university campuses.

Episode description Corey and Ruth have a chat about personal biases and changing your mind. ********** Guest's links Ruth's Podcast: “I Have a Client Who” ********** Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

Episode description:Corey and Ruth have a chat about personal biases and changing your mind.Guest's links:Ruth's Podcast: “I Have a Client Who”: https://ruthwerner.com/podcast/Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interdisciplinary/id1545446717Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.orgCheck Healwell's live and online classes: https://online.healwell.orgSupport the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: https://patreon.com/interdisciplinaryContinue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: https://community.healwell.orgMerch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwellThank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary: https://www.abmp.comThank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.orgSupport the showLeave us a review on Apple Podcasts**********Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org***********Check Healwell's live and online classes**********Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community**********Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here***********Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

This week Cal and Corey are talking to Su Bibik, massage therapist, educator, go getter and one of our favorite people. She'll tell you what's she's up to a year after she sold her school and and spoiler alert: its not retirement. ********** Show Notes ABHES COMTA ********** Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org About Our Guest: Business Owner, Educator, Massage Therapist, Scuba Diver, Grandma Su Bibik is Founder & CEO of Institute for Massage Education, previously an aspect of Kalamazoo Center for the Healing Arts (KCHA). Su and her husband began the Center in 1986 out of their home. It quickly grew to meet the demands for professional, effective massage therapy and alternative modalities. Su's background teaching math in high school and college naturally led to creating a program to train massage therapists. She has an uncanny ability to convey otherwise difficult information in a fun and meaningful fashion. Most recently she completed her certification training and is a Certified Open Water Scuba Diver and did her first dive trip to Dominica to celebrate her 70th Birthday.

Episode description This is a re-run of one of our best episodes, "The Good Word" with social worker and friend of Healwell, Anne Kelemen. Healwell works with Anne to create online courses, write and publish research, and connect with the social work discipline. In this episode Cal Cates and Cathy Ryan talk with Anne about how our word choices affect the kind of care we can provide. We're replaying this episode, partly because we consider Anne a dynamite gal, but also because we have several projects featuring our work with Anne coming up, and wanted to share them with you! ********** DANCE PARTY! Come party with us at Busboys and Poets in Arlington, VA on September 21 ********** Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

Arika Patneaude and Bridget Sumser swing by to talk about their work as anti-oppression decolonizers. ********** Show Notes Elise Ahenkorah (she/her) “Safe and Brave Spaces Don't Work (and What You Can Do Instead)” Dr Autumn Asher BlackDeer Wilson Center: “What Explains the United States' Dismal Maternal Mortality Rates?” Luvvie Ajayi Jones' TED Talk “Get Comfortable With Being Uncomfortable” *********** DANCE PARTY! Come party with us at Busboys and Poets in Arlington, VA on September 21 ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org About Our Guests: Arika Patneaude is a licensed independent clinical social worker and ethnic minority mental health specialist, who has worked extensively in social services since 1992. The focus of her work includes: adult mental health; homeless housing services; and pediatric medical social work, with a focus on solid organ transplant, grief and bereavement, and pediatric palliative care. Bridget Sumser is a social worker with the Palliative Care Program for adults. She focuses on the whole person and the family, addressing each patient's social and emotional well-being through counseling, care planning and assistance with navigating the health care system.

We talk about USOLMT's national wage study, leadership, forging new paths and standing your ground. ********** You can find them here at: https://usolmt.com/ *********** Cal mentions this AMAZING BOOK THAT YOU SHOULD READ: “The Person You Mean Be” by Dolly Chugh https://www.dollychugh.com/book/the-person-you-mean-to-be *********** US Department of Education Gainful Employment Rule: https://tinyurl.com/24vdtmsy *********** DANCE PARTY! Come party with us at Busboys and Poets in Arlington, VA on September 21: https://give.healwell.org/event/healwell-dance-party-2023/e487769 ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes: https://online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: https://patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us https://community.healwell.org in the Healwell Community ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! https://www.abmp.com Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org About Our Guests: Stephanie Rodriguez is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of USOLMT and Freelance Massage Therapy Business and Spa Consultant, with a specialty in hiring, compensation and benefits, and employee retention. She helps massage employers improve their career opportunities, helps potential and current massage employees to improve their career options, while also advocating for legislation that helps our industry grow and thrive. Priscilla Fleming is the education director for USOLMT.

Corey and Rebecca sit down with Cynthia Price to get all interoceptive and stuff. ********** Learn more about MABT here *********** DANCE PARTY! Come party with us at Busboys and Poets in Arlington, VA on September 21 ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org About Our Guest: Cynthia is a Research Professor at the University of Washington, her clinical and research expertise is in the development of body awareness to improve health and well-being. Research studies have focused on the study of MABT for multiple health conditions including Substance Dependency, Pain, PTSD, and HIV (see publications page). Interested in the processes involved in learning mindful body awareness, Cynthia studies qualitative aspects and underlying mechanisms of the MABT approach. She is a co-author of two scales to measure interoceptive awareness: the Scale of Body Connection (SBC) and the Multidimensional Assessment of Interoceptive Awareness (MAIA). Committed to increasing health care access to underserved populations, Cynthia works with local and international programs to provide and improve complementary and integrative health care through her research, teaching, and service.

"Life is a sexually transmitted condition with a 100% mortality rate." Hear Cindy Spence drop wisdom like this on Corey and Cal in this week's episode. ********** And check out Cindy's book here: https://us.singingdragon.com/products/palliative-touch-massage-for-people-at-the-end-of-life *********** DANCE PARTY! Come party with us at Busboys and Poets in Arlington, VA on September 21: https://give.healwell.org/event/healwell-dance-party-2023/e487769 ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org ********** About Our Guest Cindy Spence has been a massage therapist since 1999, when her father-in-law's dying wish for gentle touch inspired her to attend massage school. She has worked extensively with hospice patients in both home and inpatient environments. Her mission is to bring the gift of massage to the bedside for as many people as possible.

This week we are re-running one of Cal's favorites from January, 2022. This conversation with Jenn Brandel covers crisis planning, metaphors, and how we support each other in hard times. ********** Find Jenn's books (including a free downloadable PDF of My Crisis Plan) here: https://jennbrandel.com/publications.html *********** DANCE PARTY! Come party with us at Busboys and Poets in Arlington, VA on September 21: https://give.healwell.org/event/healwell-dance-party-2023/e487769 ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com ********** About Our Guest: Jenn Brandel is a licensed clinical social worker in Boston with over twenty years of experience working as a psychotherapist, trainer, supervisor and consultant. Her work centers around the use of mindfulness and humor to promote compassionate practices, healing and connection. She has been recognized as a leader in her field - making numerous media appearances and speaking at conferences and professional venues throughout New England. She is the author of My Crisis Plan: What I Need to Get Through the Darkness and When Rabbits Spill Their Tea: Metaphors to Guide Us Through Difficult Times.

It's a new season! This one is a shiny collection of hodge-podge stuff. We start off with Healwell's Education Department (aka, Corey and Rebecca) talking about education stuff. There will be opinions. *********** DANCE PARTY! Come party with us at Busboys and Poets in Arlington, VA on September 21: https://give.healwell.org/event/healwell-dance-party-2023/e487769 ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing fellowship@aihm.org

It's another special pick from Laura Bryant-Earner, Healwell's Service Director. The Healwell Brain Trust welcomes Esther E. Dupont-Versteegden, Ph.D. to the podcast. Esther's presentation at IMTRC blew everyone away, and we are delighted to have her on the podcast to talk more about about her research into muscular atrophy, how researchers really spend their time, and what all this data means for massage therapists. In this episode, the Healwell Brain Trust welcomes Esther E. Dupont-Versteegden, Ph.D. to the podcast. Esther's presentation at IMTRC blew everyone away, and we are delighted to have her on the podcast to talk more about about her research into muscular atrophy, how researchers really spend their time, and what all this data means for massage therapists. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** About Our Guest: Dr. Dupont graduated from State University Limburg at Maastricht, the Netherlands, with a Bachelor in Science degree in Movement Sciences. In 1995 she received a Doctor of Philosophy degree in Physiology from the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, Texas. In 1999 she became Assistant Professor of Geriatrics at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences and in 2006 she accepted a position as Associate Professor in the College of Health Sciences Department of Physical Therapy at the University of Kentucky. In 2015 Dr. Dupont-Versteegden was promoted to full professor and in 2016 she accepted the position of Director of the Rehabilitation Sciences Doctoral Program. For links to some of the papers mentioned in the episode, please visit: https://www.healwell.org/s7e8-the-research-rat-race

While we are working on Season 12, we're bringing you some of the Healwell Brain Trust's favorite episodes. Here's Service Director, Laura Bryant-Earner's pick: a conversation with Elder Angela Overton. (Originally aired February, 2021) ********** Elder Overton will be the keynote speaker at our October symposium: Ending Inequities in End of Life Care. Find out more here: https://www.healwell.org/ending-inequities-in-end-of-life-care *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell

This is the first episode of THE RUB, a podcast about massage therapy. Join Corey, co-host of Interdisciplinary, in examining and bringing context to the world of massage beyond the table. Any topic is up for grabs: history, philosophy, development, and all the other shiny things that distract Corey daily. This episode explores what it is like to be a hospital-based massage therapist, and what it takes to start hospital-based programs. The Rub is a produced show, written and recorded by Corey, with input from the Healwell Braintrust. Corey would love to hear from you about this episode, what topics you want to hear about in the future, what you had for lunch today, and anything else you'd like to share. Please email podcast@healwell.org with your questions and comments. Music: DuDa by Ian Post (edited)

Corey, Cal, and Rebecca sit down and talk about what we learned in Season 11. It was a packed season, full of rich information, and this conversation is only part of an ongoing discussion that we're sure will flow into next season as well. Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com

It's our last guest of Season 11, and this is a conversation you don't want to miss. Allissa Haines talks with Corey and Cal about what it really takes to build a massage career, and how work can turn into flow. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** About Our Guest: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner, and columnist for ABMP's Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community.

Cal and Corey have a rollicking conversation with experts in the field of Physical Therapy, in which we all learn that our challenges are shared, and we have much to learn from each other. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com About Our Guests: Lisa Shoaf Dr. Shoaf has been a licensed physical therapist (PT) for 42 years initially completing her entry-level BS PT degree at Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU) in 1981, and then her transitional DPT degree there in 2009. She also holds a Master of Science Degree in exercise science from James Madison University (1990) and a PhD in Education from VCU (2002). She has been an active member of the American Physical Therapy Association (APTA) and APTA Virginia throughout her PT career. She has held various leadership positions in both organizations including Chief Delegate and Chapter President for Virginia. She has been legislatively active at the state and national level on issues related to PT and healthcare. She also served on the PT Licensing Board for Virginia for 6 years. Dr. Shoaf has practiced in acute care, home health, and outpatient settings as a PT, but most of her professional career has been in academia as a physical therapy educator. She was the Director of Clinical Education for 20 years in the PT program at VCU in Richmond, VA. She joined Mary Baldwin University in Staunton, VA in 2012 to develop a new PT program and assist in launching the new Murphy Deming College of Health Sciences (MDCHS). She served as the Program Director for the PT program from 2012 - 2020. From 2018 to 2020 she also served as the Director of the School of Health and Human Performance with oversight of the PT, OT, Physician Assistant programs at the graduate level and undergraduate programs in health science and exercise science. Dr. Shoaf completed her academic career as the Vice President and Dean of the MDCHS from 2021- spring of 2023 until her retirement from academia. Tony Grillo Dr. Tony Grillo, PT, DPT, OCS, CIMT, FAAOMPT is a Physical Therapist living and practicing in Williamsburg, VA Dr. Grillo has been practicing outpatient orthopedic Physical Therapy for over 20 years and has also done PRN work in acute care, SNF, and home health settings. Additionally, he has taught continuing education on spinal manipulation and serves as an adjunct professor with the Arcadia University Residency Program. Dr. Grillo has been a lifelong member and supporter of the American Physical Therapy Association (APTA) and Virginia Physical Therapy Association (VPTA). He is currently the President of the VPTA and has served the previous 4 years as both local representative and State Chair of the Ethics Committee. In his spare time he enjoys fishing, barbequeing, and spending time with his wife Monica, three children Ben, Lily,& Alex, and dog Hamilton.

Corey and Cal talk with sociologist Marisa Allison about gender in massage therapy. What is a "feminized" profession, and what does it mean for the growth and opportunities available in that profession? And how does all this connect to sustainability? ********** Job Queues, Gender Queues (research Dr. Allison mentioned in the episode): https://www.betterworldbooks.com/product/detail/job-queues-gender-queues-explaining-women-s-inroads-into-male-occupations-9780877227441 *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com About Our Guest: Dr. Marisa Allison, Ph.D. is a Public Sociologist and Adjunct Faculty Member in the Department of Sociology at George Mason University. Marisa's research investigates gender and inequality in higher education and within feminizing and female dominated fields. Marisa has been involved in the academic labor movement in the U.S. for over a decade, working with unions and others organizing to better labor conditions on college and university campuses. Most recently she has wrapped up a semester teaching courses on gender and society and contemporary gender relations.

Cal and Corey continue talking about massage career sustainability with Healwell Community Member Matt Smith. If you came to massage after a different career ( or several), if you had to figure out how to maintain your career during and after the pandemic, or if you just really like lemurs -- you'll love this episode. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and get your podcast episodes early and ad-free) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com ********** About Our Guest: Matt Smith is a Certified Massage Therapist, living in Oakland, CA. His massage training started at the National Holistic Institute, Emeryville campus. After completing the 800-hr core program, he delved straight into the 450-hr advanced neuromuscular/myofascial trigger point therapy program the school offers. As interested as Matt is in learning about technique and musculoskeletal physiology, he is just as motivated to learn how best to form therapeutic relationships with all potential clients.

We continue our exploration of sustainability in the massage profession with some real talk with real therapists. This week we speak with Ken Brown, one of Healwell's massage therapists and thoughtful guy, about his career in massage therapy. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com About Our Guest: Ken Brown is a Board Certified Licensed Massage Therapist and Level 3 Reiki Master with more than a decade of experience. He is board certified through the National Certification Board for Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork. Ken studied at AKS Massage School in Herndon, Virginia. While in school, he participated in a Sports Massage program and began his Reiki training. Ken continues to explore new modalities of bodywork. His studies have included John Barnes' Myofascial Release, cranio-sacral therapy, and reflexology. In 2014, he took his first course in oncology massage. This training allows him to adapt the techniques he uses to the specific needs and restrictions of patients going through oncology treatments.

Today we dive into the history of nursing. How did nurses get to where they are today? What were the forces that brought nursing to this place of respect and skill? Corey and Cal sit down with nurse researcher and historian, Mei Fu, and get into the real work and the hard choices that go into growing a profession. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com ********** About Our Guest: Dr. Mei R. Fu's scientific focus has been on pain and symptoms, lymphedema, cancer, chronic illnesses, quality of life as well as intersections of culture, environment, climate change and social determinants of health. Her research incorporates qualitative and quantitative research methods, genomic and biomarker approaches, cutting-edge technology, mobile health as well as innovative behavioral interventions. Her award-winning research has been supported by National Institute of Health (NCI/NINR/NIMHD), National Science Foundation, the Oncology Nursing Foundation, the Avon Foundation, Pfizer Independent Learning and Change grant and other organizations. She has over 160 high quality publications in peer-reviewed journals, professional journals, book chapters, and scholarly professional publications. She has over 160 invited or peer-reviewed keynote, podium, and poster presentations at international, national, regional, and local conferences. She served as guest editors for high impact journals (e.g., Biomedicines and mHealth). She has served on the editorial board for more than 10 peer-reviewed journals. Dr. Fu holds the prestigious honor of the Sigma Theta Tau International (STTI) International Nurse Researcher Hall of Fame (2017). This honor recognizes nurse researchers who have achieved significant and sustained national and international recognition for their work and whose research has influenced the profession and the people it serves. Dr. Fu was the recipient of the Oncology Nursing Foundation Connie Henke Yarbro Excellence in Cancer Nursing Mentorship Award (2020) to recognize her excellence in cancer nursing mentorship that has been demonstrated in her role as a nurse scientist going above and beyond in many ways. Dr. Fu is a Fellow of American Academy of Nursing, Senior Fellow of Geriatrics at the Hartford Institute of Geriatrics and Fellow of New York Academy of Medicine.

Today Cal Cates talks with Davonna Willis and Ashley Urquhart, the visionary leaders organizing the Black Massage Therapists' Conference. (Links below) In this deeply honest conversation, Davonna and Ashley share their vision for a space of love and belonging, and some of the realities that make that space so important. ********** Black Massage Therapist Conference: www.blackmassagetherapist.com Davonna's CE course website: 4nineteeneducation.com Ashley's CE course website: www.ashleyurquhart.com Ashley's banquets for massage therapists: www.mtbanquets.com *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Check Healwell's live and online classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com ********** About Our Guests: Ashley Urquhart Ashley Urquhart, a Philadelphia native, has practiced massage in several states. She graduated from Parker University of Massage Therapy in Dallas, TX in 2009 and later attended the Art of Healing Institute in Virginia in 2012. She is also a massage educator and massage community activist. Urquhart received her accreditation through the NCBTMB as a continuing education provider in the state of North Carolina and serves on the council board of the United States Organization of Massage Therapists. She is also the Founder and CEO of MT Banquets, a banquet catered to wellness professionals nationwide to show appreciation, network, and to motivate individuals. She is the partner of 4 Nineteen Education & Training for the Black Massage Therapist Conference nationwide to educate and enhance skills needed in the industry. Ashley has been on 2 Massage Therapists and a Microphone based in Canada, Nike Roach show and other podcast platforms. Davonna Willis, MA, ATC, LMT As a respected health and wellness practitioner, an acclaimed entrepreneur, and educator, Davonna Willis is a passionate advocate for her clients and students. She has a masters in health education and bachelor's in athletic training. Davonna has over 20 years of experience in the health and wellness field. Starting in the Bronx and moving her way west, Davonna is a well rounded business professional especially accomplished in the area of holistic physical rehabilitation therapy. As the Owner of two businesses, Blue Skyes Massage & Wellness Center and 4 Nineteen Education & Training, Davonna is committed to establishing and sustaining high quality standards of care in the industry. As the leader of an award winning practice, Davonna is widely known as someone who cares deeply about client relationships and practitioner integrity.

Podcast guests -- they're just like us! This week, we sat down with Sara Rennie, massage therapist, massage therapy educator, and thoughtful human. We talked about being a massage therapist, and preparing new massage therapists -- getting all the way real about the challenges. ********** The Accidental Business Owner book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43069541-the-accidental-business-owner *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com About Our Guest: Sara Rennie has been in the healthcare field for over 35 years, and specifically in the massage therapy aspect of healthcare for 20 years. She is both an active, licensed massage therapist and massage educator in the Greater Richmond, Virginia area.

This week we continue our Corey-guided tour through the history of massage therapy in the Western world, from the FDA to present day. (Part 2 of 2.) We appreciate your patience with Cal and Kerry's poor audio quality. They're still in a can, but will be out for the rest of this season. ********** Maintenance Phase, featuring Bernarr McFadden: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-keto-diet/id1535408667?i=1000527972412 Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution: https://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/The-Black-Panthers-Vanguard-of-the-Revolution/80049128 *********** Corey's References: Nicholls, David A., and Julianne Cheek. "Physiotherapy and the shadow of prostitution: The Society of Trained Masseuses and the massage scandals of 1894." Social science & medicine 62.9 (2006): 2336-2348. Benjamin, P. J. (2015). The Emergence of the Massage Therapy Profession in North America: A History in Archetypes. Curties-Overzet Publications. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com

We missed you! Have you missed us? Enough to listen to some thoughts from the bottom of a can? In this episode, Corey takes Rebecca, Kerry, and Cal on a tour through the history of massage in the Western world -- from rubbing to massage therapy, from cutaneous exercise to human potential. (Part 1 of 2.) We appreciate your patience with Cal and Kerry's poor audio quality. The conversation was so good that they called in from their travels just to join in. We're all back at our desks, with headphones, after this 2-episode arc. ********** Abby Cox and others debunking the myths about Victorian corsetry: https://youtu.be/4XBLBfWNH7I *********** Corey's References: Nicholls, David A., and Julianne Cheek. "Physiotherapy and the shadow of prostitution: The Society of Trained Masseuses and the massage scandals of 1894." Social science & medicine 62.9 (2006): 2336-2348. Benjamin, P. J. (2015). The Emergence of the Massage Therapy Profession in North America: A History in Archetypes. Curties-Overzet Publications. ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary! www.abmp.com

We have a full house for this season finale episode. The whole Healwell Brain Trust gathers for a conversation about Season 10 -- what we have learned, and what is still missing. ********** Check out our live and online, on demand classes here: online.healwell.org ********** Corey's Systems Theory Reading list: Thinking in Systems: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3828902-thinking-in-systems Systems Thinking for Social Change: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26089423-systems-thinking-for-social-change *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell ***********

Sometimes the planned episode falls through. In those times, we get together on the recording link and talk about the fun symposium we just had, and the classes we have coming up. Enjoy this short interim conversation. We'll be back with the Season 10 wrap up on March 25. ********** Free 2-week trail of the Healwell Community: https://community.healwell.org/sign_up?plan_id=436034 *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell ***********

Mai Lin Petrine knows hats. She also knows what it takes to support the massage therapy profession through legal and regulatory challenges. Corey and Rebecca talk with Mai Lin about moody teenagers, Peter Pan, and the future of massage therapy. ********** Interstate Massage Therapy Compact: https://massagecompact.org *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** About Our Guest: Mai Lin Petrine is the Director of Legal and Regulatory Affairs at the Federation of State Massage Therapy Boards (FSMTB). In this in-house counsel role, she works closely with the executive management team in areas of policy formulation, contract management, legislative advocacy, and risk management. Prior to joining the FSMTB, Mai Lin was an associate attorney at The Atkinson Firm, in Northbrook, IL. She received her law degree at the University of Miami and her undergraduate degree from Northwestern University. She was on the Editorial Board of the University of Miami Law Review and previously served as a litigation attorney at Lord, Bissell & Brook (now known as Locke Lord LLP) in Chicago, IL representing a number of Fortune 500 companies in jurisdictions across the United States. Mai Lin is an expert at communicating in multiple venues for a variety of audiences and at managing relationships with a diverse range of constituents and stakeholders. Mai Lin brings the perfect blend of intellect, tenacity and empathetic leadership to all of her professional engagements and accomplishments.

Cal and Corey talk with Gordon MacDonald, Executive Director of the RMTBC about regulation, education, and the parallel paths of nursing and massage in Canada. This conversation explores our shared challenges of supporting a profession in transition. ********** Registered Massage Therapists' Association of British Columbia: www.rmtbc.ca *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Merch! Find your Healwell fashion here: https://www.teepublic.com/user/healwell *********** About Our Guest: Gordon has a long history of working at a senior level within B.C.'s health care, education, and regulatory sectors. These include Senior Consultant at Health Match BC; Vice President, Regulation and Program Development at CIBT Education Group; Associate Director, Douglas College. He has also served as Executive Director/Registrar of the College of Licensed Practical Nurses of BC and is formerly the Program Director for the Healthcare Labour Adjustment Agency of BC. He has provided strategic leadership in working with health regulatory bodies, both provincially and nationally. Additionally, he has served on several boards and committees including, the Health Human Resources Advisory Committee for the BC Ministry of Health, the BC Labour Force Development Board for the Ministry of Labour. He is currently the Executive Director of the Registered Massage Therapists' Association of BC and Chair of the Canadian Massage Therapy Association.

Cal and Corey sit down with Debra Persinger, executive director of FSMTB to talk education, (de)regulation, and what it takes to keep both consumers and massage therapists safe. ********** Entry-Level Analysis Project (ELAP): https://www.elapmassage.org ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** About Our Guest: Debra Persinger, PhD, CAE Executive Director, Federation of State Massage Therapy Boards (FSMTB) Debra brings a rare combination of management experience, examination expertise, and national and state legislative know-how to the FSMTB where she is the executive director. Debra impacts the mission of FSMTB by valuing and supporting people through fostering a culture of caring and advocating for public protection and being courageous in fighting fraud and human trafficking. She is gratefully aware that all of the change for good is a result of team work with a constant supply of many brilliant, resilient, open-minded, and conscientious colleagues. Debra is also a former university lecturer and has authored several publications.

Cal talks with Andraéa LaVant about disability justice, intersectionality, and the real work of making just and accessible spaces. ********** Find out more about LaVant Consulting here: https://lavantconsultinginc.com *********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** About Our Guest: Andraéa LaVant is a globally-recognized inclusion thought leader and president/founder of LaVant Consulting, Inc., a disability focused strategy and communications firm dedicated to shaping the way the world reaches, views and values people with disabilities. She is widely recognized for spearheading a global disability justice movement as the impact producer for Netflix's 2021 Oscar-nominated film, Crip Camp, executive produced by President Barack and Mrs. Michelle Obama. Prior to establishing LCI, Andraéa worked over a decade in non-profit and private sector organizations managing national initiatives to increase and support engagement of disabled people in mainstream environments and programs. She has been featured on Good Morning America, NBC, Essence.com, the Root, Paper Magazine, and even the Oscars red carpet! Ultimately, Andraéa is committed to working toward a future where ALL people, particularly disabled people of color, are seen and valued in culture and society at-large.

Laura and Rebecca talk with Lori Green about how things are going in Saskatchewan, Canada. What does it mean to support the only unregulated health care profession in a province? How's it going with the drive for massage therapy regulation in Saskatchewan? And what can we learn from each other? ********** Let us know what you think! Send us an email: podcast@healwell.org *********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** Continue the conversation with us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** About Our Guest: Lori Green is entering into her 18th year as Executive director with MTAS. (https://www.saskmassagetherapy.com/) They have stepped into the beginning of regulation in the Province of Saskatchewan with the Massage Therapy Act. Currently work is being done in developing the administrative bylaws and policies. Lori Green is NOT a massage therapist; she believes passionately in the continuing pursuit of further evolution of massage therapy through education, research and knowledge transfer.

"How do we stop people being interested in hierarchies and status?" This is just one of the questions Cal and Rebecca Barnett take on in part 2 of their conversation. ********** Association of Massage Therapists (Australia): https://www.amt.org.au/ *********** AMT Statements on Volunteering: https://www.amt.org.au/downloads/position-statements/AMT-Position-Statement-Volunteer-Massage.pdf https://www.amt.org.au/downloads/position-statements/AMT-Position-Statement-Orphanage-Volunteering.pdf Continue the conversation in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** The Nap Ministry (Tricia Hersey): https://thenapministry.wordpress.com/ ********** About Our Guest: Rebecca Barnett is a highly experienced and respected figure in the Australian massage industry, with 25 years of experience as a therapist, educator, and executive of the Association of Massage Therapists. She has been a passionate advocate for the massage therapy profession, working to raise awareness of the benefits of massage therapy to the public and healthcare community. She has also been an influential voice in the ongoing conversations around regulation and standardisation within the industry in Australia. Rebecca may have used ChatGPT to write this bio. It may not be 100% reliable. Respected figure? Pfffft.

We are starting off in the deep end this season. Part 1 of this 2-part conversation with Rebecca Barnett begins with an exploration of the massage therapy landscape in Australia and United States and quickly goes deep into questions of identity and purpose in the profession. ********** Association of Massage Therapists (Australia): https://www.amt.org.au/ Continue the conversation in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Support the podcast (and see the video of podcast episodes along with extra conversation) on Patreon: patreon.com/interdisciplinary ********** The Nap Ministry (Tricia Hersey): https://thenapministry.wordpress.com/ ********** About Our Guest: Rebecca Barnett is a highly experienced and respected figure in the Australian massage industry, with 25 years of experience as a therapist, educator, and executive of the Association of Massage Therapists. She has been a passionate advocate for the massage therapy profession, working to raise awareness of the benefits of massage therapy to the public and healthcare community. She has also been an influential voice in the ongoing conversations around regulation and standardisation within the industry in Australia. Rebecca may have used ChatGPT to write this bio. It may not be 100% reliable. Respected figure? Pfffft.

4/5 of the Healwell Brain trust got together to do a little podcast time travel. Where did we come from? Where are we going? And how can you be a part of the future of Interdisciplinary. Featuring (in order of appearance): Cal Cates, Rebecca Sturgeon, Kerry Jordan, and Laura Bryant-Earner ********** Join our Patreon to support this podcast, and get access to episodes early, ad-free and on video: patreon.com/interdisciplinary *********** Join us in the Healwell Community: community.healwell.org ********** Sound Effect from Pixabay