All Things to All People with Michael Burns

The Other Realm Team delves into the fascinating world of zombies, exploring their cultural significance, the evolution of zombie movies, and the science (or lack thereof) behind the undead. They discuss iconic films and TV shows, share personal reflections on the genre, and ponder what they would do in a zombie apocalypse. Michael, Jason, and Elijah explore the hypothetical scenarios of a zombie apocalypse, discussing survival strategies, cultural fascination with the zombie genre, and the psychological implications of horror. They delve into biblical references, particularly Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones and the puzzling passage in Matthew 27 about resurrected saints, drawing connections between these themes and contemporary societal fears.   00:00 Introduction to the Zombie Genre03:24 Cultural Obsession with Zombies08:19 Exploring Zombie Movies and TV Shows13:17 The Science Behind Zombies18:22 Personal Reflections on Zombie Scenarios24:55 Facing the Zombie Apocalypse: Choices and Consequences27:54 Survival Strategies: Where to Hide32:29 Cultural Fascination with Zombies39:29 Biblical Perspectives: Ezekiel and the Valley of Dry Bones44:52 The Mystery of Matthew 27: Resurrection or Literary Device?

The Eikon Team delves into a deeper exploration of the centered and bounded gospels, particularly through the lens of table fellowship as illustrated in Luke 14 and 15. They reflect on the implications of social status in biblical times and how it relates to modern spiritual practices, including communion.  00:00 Opening Banter15:01 Understanding Table Fellowship in the Gospel20:02 Bounded vs. Centered Gospel Discussion25:36 Individual vs. Collective in the Gospel28:01 The Parable of the Lost Son36:31 Jesus' Radical Inclusion44:59 The Challenge of Superiority and Inclusion

Summary Michael and Jeff discuss the challenges of measuring spiritual maturity and the need for a deeper understanding of faith that goes beyond mere rule-following.  00:00 Opening09:04 Exploring Centered Set Church Concepts30:57 Bounded vs. Centered Churches38:06 Leadership in Bounded vs. Centered Models42:28 Blood, Ink, and Pencil Issues in Faith46:54 Centered Approach to Faith and Community50:04 The Challenge of Sin Management vs. Image Bearing51:59 Digging Wells vs. Building Fences

The Eikon team explores the differences between bounded and centered gospels, discussing the implications of church dynamics on inclusion and exclusion. They delve into the nature of bounded churches, the judgmentalism that can arise, and the importance of fostering a community that encourages exploration of faith. The discussion highlights the spectrum of church mentalities, the impact of exclusion on individual identity, and the need for a more inclusive approach that focuses on unity rather than uniformity.   00:00 Introduction to Bounded and Centered Set Gospels09:13 Exploring the Concept of Bounded vs. Centered Gospels19:09 Real-World Applications and Implications of Gospel Types29:15 Navigating Boundaries in Faith Communities31:42 Understanding Bounded vs. Centered Gospels36:47 The Nature of Bounded Churches40:33 The Role of Judgmentalism in Bounded Groups45:06 Exploring Inclusion and Exclusion48:33 Unity vs. Uniformity in Church Dynamics52:35 The Spectrum of Church Mentalities57:05 The Impact of Exclusion on Individual Identity01:01:39 Navigating Personal Beliefs in Church Contexts01:08:35 Looking Ahead: Centered Gospels

Michael and Jeff explore the themes of living as Christians in a world that often feels like an empire. They discuss the importance of community, the call to live honorably, and the challenge of embodying the way of the cross. The conversation delves into the role of the Christian community in society, the complexities of engaging with government, and the need for humility and love in the face of cultural challenges. They emphasize the ideal of a loving, sacrificial community while acknowledging the difficulties in achieving this vision.  00:00 Introduction and Banter06:00 The Exile Mindset in the New Testament11:56 Living as Exiles: Identity and Purpose18:13 The Tension of Exile: Comfort vs. Distinction24:13 The Call to Live Differently in a Secular World29:53 Powerlessness and the Exilic Existence31:43 Living in the Shadows of Empire36:51 The Way of the Cross48:49 The Role of the Christian Community01:00:08 Engaging with Government and Culture

In this episode of The Other Realm, Michael and Elijah Burns delve into the controversial topic of the flat Earth hypothesis. They explore its historical roots, the resurgence of interest in modern times, and the main arguments put forth by flat-earth proponents. They then dive into the critiques of flat-earth claims. The discussion emphasizes the importance of discernment, truth, and the need for a faithful reading of scripture in the context of scientific understanding. 00:00 Introduction 03:15 Exploring the Flat Earth Claim07:55 History of Flat Earth Beliefs14:40 Main Arguments of Flat Earth Proponents21:45 Biblical Arguments for Flat Earth24:33 Appeal of Flat Earth Beliefs28:01 Historical Perspectives on Earth's Shape31:32 Scientific Critiques of Flat Earth Theory49:58 The Moon Landing Debate53:37 The Role of Scripture in Cosmology01:01:26 Engaging with Flat Earth Believers01:12:49 The Importance of Truth and Discernment

Jeff, Gianna, and Michael explore the challenges and responsibilities of living as a Christian community in today's world. They discuss the importance of embodying the teachings of Jesus, particularly the Sermon on the Mount, and the need to focus on community engagement rather than just individual conversion. They highlight the tension between political power and the cross-shaped life that Jesus exemplified, urging listeners to consider how they can live out their faith collectively in a way that reflects the values of Christ. 00:00 Understanding Exile in the Christian Community03:49 The Dual Nature of Exile15:00 The Exilic Gospel and Community17:05 Jesus and the Subversion of Power29:55 Living Out the Exilic Identity32:51 Building a Christ-Centered Community34:42 The Challenge of Individualism in Faith37:51 Preparing for a Life Together40:52 The Shape of Christian Community42:43 Living as Exiles in a Political World46:45 The Power of the Cross vs. Political Power51:38 Embodying the Teachings of Jesus55:30 Conversion vs. Community Living58:49 Trusting in Christ's Alternative Way of Life

S7E209 – Exilic Gospel: Subversive Witness Gianna, Jeff, and Michael explore the complex relationship between the kingdom of God and the dynamics of empire, particularly in the context of exile. They discuss the importance of understanding one's identity as an exile, the instructions given in Jeremiah 29 for those in Babylon, and the call to seek shalom in a foreign land. The conversation also delves into the various responses to empire, including syncretism, separation, and revolution, and highlights how Jesus embodies a subversive approach to these challenges.  Chapters 00:00 Introduction and a Rant04:36 Exilic Gospel: Understanding Exile07:37 The Concept of Babylon10:30 Imperial Mindset and Empire Dynamics23:53 The Kingdom of God vs. Empire Dynamics26:42 Navigating Exile: Israel's Identity Crisis29:33 Jeremiah 29: Instructions for Exiles37:44 Seeking Shalom in Babylon41:06 The Role of Exiles in Empire47:55 Responses to Empire: Syncretism, Separation, and Revolution58:45 Jesus: The Subversive Exile

The Eikon team explores the themes of exile, identity, and leadership in the context of the gospel and the Old Testament. They delve into the concept of exile as a central theme in the Bible, and examine God's design for kingship, militarism, the economy and status in Israel's history. They consider this as a clarifying metric for the embodied gospel and a conundrum for claims of any country that wishes to claim the status of a Christian nation.   00:00 Introduction and Banter05:21 The Concept of Exile in the Gospel10:11 Understanding Israel's Identity as Exiles17:46 Kingship and God's Design for Leadership28:30 Militarism and Its Implications30:06 Facing Fear in Battle31:16 God's Perspective on Militarism32:43 Faith in God's Protection34:26 The Role of Israel's Land36:49 Economic Principles in God's Kingdom39:30 The Role of Priests and Levites41:33 Caring for the Poor and Foreigners43:27 The Challenge of Being a Christian Nation46:22 Social Justice and Equality in God's Kingdom

In this episode, Michael Burns and Thabani welcome special guest, Alfredo Valentin, the BK apologist. They delve into the complex world of urban apologetics, focusing on the Black Hebrew Israelite movement. They explore the theological implications, historical context, and appeal of this ideology, particularly among marginalized communities. The conversation also touches on strategies for engaging with Hebrew Israelites and the importance of understanding their beliefs to effectively communicate the Christian faith.  00:00 Introduction to Urban Apologetics06:07 Understanding Black Hebrew Israelites12:08 The Appeal and Beliefs of Black Hebrew Israelites18:30 Historical Context and Misinterpretations24:15 Theological Implications and Responses34:05 The Role of Law and Identity in Faith36:31 Struggles of African Identity and Spirituality39:27 Historical Context of African Christianity42:56 Debating the Racial Identity of Jesus46:43 Understanding Incomplete Gospels52:30 Experiences in Debating Hebrew Israelites57:25 Advice for Engaging with Hebrew Israelites01:01:41 Corporate Approaches to Addressing Hebrew Israelite Theology01:08:55 lifestyle-intro-high-long.wav

In this conversation, the Eikon team explores the themes of allegiance, exile, and the nature of the church in relation to the kingdom of God. They discuss how the early church navigated political subversion and the implications of living as exiles in a world that often contradicts the values of the kingdom. The conversation emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of what it means to pledge allegiance to Jesus and the challenges posed by political idolatry in contemporary society.Timestamp00:00 Introduction and Banter07:50 Introduction to Exiles: Setting the Stage10:25 Understanding Exiles: A Biblical Perspective17:16 The Meaning of Repent: A Deeper Look20:24 Allegiance and Exile: A Kingdom Perspective23:50 The Political Language of Ecclesia28:22 Subversion and Allegiance: The Early Church's Challenge31:18 The Political Task of the Church38:08 The Cross and the Kingdom: A Different Way of Living42:31 Imagination and Allegiance: The Challenge of Exile50:27 Political Idolatry: The Church's Struggle

The Eikon team continues to analyze the whole gospel, which differs from incomplete versions in its formation of community, the role of baptism, and especially what we understand as the primary mission of the church.  Chapters00:00 Introduction and Personal Reflections8:38 The Whole Gospel: Understanding Community and Individuality13:36 The Challenge of Individualism in the Gospel19:48 Baptism and the Role of the Church23:00 The Role of Gospels in Mission26:22 Embodiment of Justice and Community35:41 The Shift in Global Christianity39:17 The Dynamics of Small vs. Large Gatherings42:35 The Center of Gravity in Church Community49:34 Balancing Small Groups and Large Gatherings 

Gianna, Jeff, and Michael explore the complexities of faith communities, the challenges of drawing lines in beliefs, and the importance of embodying the gospel through love and community rather than merely exporting morals. 

S7E203 – Giants and the Bible Thabani and Michael delve into the complex interpretations of Genesis 6 and explore the supernatural view of the Nephilim, discussing how early Jewish and Christian beliefs shaped the understanding of these figures as giants and their implications in biblical narratives. The discussion also touches on the cultural memory of giants across civilizations and the language used in ancient texts, emphasizing the importance of context in biblical interpretation. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Giants in the Bible03:17 Exploring Sasquatch and Its Cultural Significance21:23 The Nature of Truth and Worldviews24:17  Understanding Giants in Biblical Context33:01 Exploring the Sons of God and Daughters of Men36:24 The Supernatural View of Genesis 640:50 The Nephilim: Giants and Their Legacy58:42 The Cultural Memory of Giants Across Civilizations

The Eikon team examines the gospel story, highlighting aspects often left out or missed altogether. Through the lens of the narrative, they explore the concept of image bearers and their rebellion against God, the role of Elohim, and the significance of the Tower of Babel. They discuss Israel's purpose as a light to the nations and how Jesus embodies the fulfillment of God's plan.  Chapters 00:00 Introduction and banter06:21 The Story of the Gospel Begins22:52 The Rebellion of Image Bearers24:13 Understanding Elohim and Their Role26:09 The Tower of Babel: A Rebellion of Nations30:35 God's Authority and the Nations34:56 Israel's Role as a Light to the Nations38:17 Jesus: The King and the Gospel51:59 The Great Commission: Image-Bearing Communities57:29 Maturity in Community and the Global Church

S7E201: Christian Nationalism and the Role Gospel The Eikon Team delves into the concept of role gospels, discussing how identity and roles play a crucial part in understanding the gospel message. They examine variations of the role gospel including Christian Nationalism, the anti-immorality gospel, and distorted justice. They discuss historical parallels with Rome, the importance of humility and critique within the church, and the challenges posed by cultural assumptions. The conversation emphasizes the need for a unified Christian community that engages with societal issues while remaining true to the gospel's core message. Chapters 00:18 Introduction and Banter09:18 Exploring the Gospel as Story12:19 Understanding the Role Gospels15:19 The Impact of Identity and Role in the Gospel21:23 The Anti-Immorality Gospel28:28 Christian Nationalism and Its Implications32:12 Christian Nationalism and Historical Parallels40:08 The Role of Power and the Cross46:19 Courage in Addressing Christian Nationalism56:45 Distorting Justice

Michael and Gianna welcome Jeff Hickman as the newest member of the Eikon team. They continue their series on the story of the gospel by exploring the ‘soul gospel and the implications of viewing the gospel primarily as a means of saving souls. They discuss the invention of the Great Commission as the primary mission and substance of discipleship, emphasizing the need for a more holistic understanding of the whole gospel.  Chapters 00:00 Introduction of Jeff Hickman05:44 Exploring the Soul Gospel11:46 Defining the Soul Gospel17:57 The Individualism in the Soul Gospel23:50 Historical Context of the Great Commission40:51 The Great Commission: A New Perspective55:43 Reimagining the Role of the Church

In this episode of The Other Realm, Michael and Thabani delve into the intriguing topics of aliens and UFOs, exploring cultural beliefs, scientific perspectives, and biblical connections. They discuss the varying beliefs about extraterrestrial life in Western and African cultures, the phenomenon of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), and the overlap between alien encounters and spiritual experiences.  Chapters00:00 - Introduction to The Other Realm10:34 - Cultural Perspectives on Aliens20:15 - Alien Encounters and Abductions38:20 - The Ariel School Incident48:32 - Ancient Aliens and Misinterpretations56:17 - Exploring Sumerian Literature and the Anunnaki01:01:24 - Ezekiel's Vision: UFO or Cherubim?01:08:12 - The Nature of Alien Life and Biblical Worldview

Michael and Jason discuss the impact of the gospel on community versus individualism and how individualism shapes our understanding of spirituality and the church. They explore the themes of community, the role of Israel and Jesus in God's plan, and the importance of understanding scripture from a collective perspective. They discuss the concept of election, the display of God's love through Israel, and the significance of using individual gifts for the body of Christ. They end the episode with a huge announcement regarding upcoming transitions in the Eikon Podcast. 00:00 – Opening Banter09:59 - The Gospel's Impact on Community vs. Individualism33:22 - The Exodus and Community Formation34:57 - The Role of Israel and Jesus in God's Plan36:45 - Understanding Ephesians: A Collective Perspective42:24 - The Importance of Community in Salvation44:39 - Using Gifts for the Body of Christ01:00:14 – Farewell and Reflections on the Podcast

In this episode of the Icon Podcast, hosts Gianna, Michael, and Jason start a journey of exploring the gospel of Jesus the King. The conversation delves into the importance of storytelling in understanding the Gospel and how different starting points can shape one's perception of faith. They emphasize the importance of context and the narrative preceding the New Testament while addressing alternative interpretations of the Gospel. Michael also explains the crazy connection between the John Wick movies and the Gospel of Jesus. 00:00 – Opening Banter13:02 – The Gospel: A Central Theme18:07 – Defining the Gospel21:12 – The Gospel as a Story26:59 – The Importance of Starting Points in the Gospel29:52 – The Importance of Context in Understanding Jesus32:01 – Identifying the Problem Jesus Came to Solve34:31 – The Role of Sin and Redemption in the Gospel36:22 – Exploring Alternative Gospel Narratives40:24 – The Significance of Genesis in the Gospel Story46:20 – The Mission of Christians Post-Salvation49:57 – The Resurrection: A Central Theme in the Gospel55:54 – The Broader Implications of the Gospel Story

The Eikon Team explores themes of personal growth, spirituality, and the importance of community, as they share their favorite resources and moments of the year. Michael reveals his five favorite reads of 2024 and recommends several helpful online resources. Gianna shares her personal growth and spiritual reflections by looking at her favorite moments of the year.  Finally, they look ahead to what is in store for 2025 with Season 7.  Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Opening Banter04:05 Life Updates and Personal Reflections14:14 Michael's Favorite Books and Online Resources38:46 Gianna's Favorite Moments of the Year48:30 Looking Ahead: Season Seven Preview

In this end-of-season-six episode, Michael, Gianna, and Jason discuss the concept of new creation and the importance of keeping Christ at the center of our lives. They explore how different passions within the church can sometimes lead to division and how to navigate that in a loving and Christ-centered way. They also touch on the dangers of becoming too focused on one aspect of the gospel and losing sight of the bigger picture. The hosts share personal stories and insights on maintaining unity and love within the body of Christ.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Season Finale Announcement05:24 - Remembering a Friend and Reflections on New Creation08:00 - The Call to Be the New Creation13:08 - Navigating Strong Beliefs and Putting God First21:05 - Balancing Passion and Love in the Church29:27 - The Challenge of Different Passions in the Church35:33 - The Pain of Expecting Everyone to Share the Same Passion39:33 - Love and Grace as Antidotes to Division53:37 - Living as New Creations: Taking Small Steps and Focusing on Love

Special Episode: We are making the season finale of our special Patreon series, The Misfits, available this week for everyone to enjoy. This is the eleventh episode in the series so far. If you would like to hear the rest of the series, please help support this podcast by signing up at www.patreon.com/eikonpodcast.com.Summary: In this episode, the hosts discuss the balance between the church's responsibility to accommodate misfits and the misfits' responsibility to meet the needs of the church. They emphasize the importance of starting with God and grounding oneself in their identity in Christ. They also explore the idea of being an image bearer and using one's gifts to serve others.

Gianna, Jason, and Michael discuss the challenges and misconceptions of marriage and parenting within the context of new creation theology. They emphasize the importance of power-with rather than power-over in parenting and the need for vulnerability and authenticity in marriage. They also highlight the significance of modeling Jesus in both parenting and marriage, rather than just teaching about Jesus. The team then explores the idea of whether baptism should be the primary goal of parenting.Chapters00:00 – Introduction8:54 - Making Sense of New Creation Families11:34 - The Pressure to Look Good in a Traditional Christian Family11:56 - Living Out New Creation in Marriages and as Parents12:15 - Challenges of Marriage and Parenting19:39 - Parenting with Power With25:22 - Modeling Jesus in Marriage36:08 - Embracing the Process of Growth43:39 - Living Out New Creation Theology in Marriage and Parenting

In this episode, Michael, Gianna, and Jason discuss the danger of placing too much emphasis on specific spiritual practices and judging others based on their level of engagement in those practices. They also highlight the significance of work, leisure, and everyday activities as acts of worship. The conversation concludes by acknowledging that everyone's journey of worship is unique and that there is no one-size-fits-all approach.Chapters00:00- Introduction and Welcome11:21 - Redefining Worship: Beyond Singing and Religious Practices20:22 - Understanding Worship: A Disconnect Between Bible and Vernacular27:42 - Worship as an Orientation of the Heart30:19 - Expanding the Definition of Worship36:39 - Work and Everyday Activities as Worship46:11 - Embracing a Unique Journey of Worship

The conversation explores the concept of race in the context of new creation. It discusses how race is a construct that emerged in the 15th century. The discussion highlights that race is not a biblical concept and that the Bible focuses more on cultural and religious practices rather than physical attributes. The conversation also touches on the dehumanizing nature of race and the biblical call to challenge and dismantle things like racial hierarchies.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Discussion on the Olympics13:13 - The Concept of Race in the Bible19:01 - The Emergence of Race as a Construct25:16 - The Dehumanizing Nature of Race29:48 - The Deep-Rooted Issue of Racism30:38 - The Perpetuation of Racial Superiority35:31 - Dismantling the Structures of Racism36:48 - A New Creation Approach to Racism49:54 - The Limitations of Current Solutions56:36 - The Need for a Biblical Perspective on Race

In this conversation, Michael Burns and Thabani Antony Mashava discuss deliverance ministries and their focus on freeing people from demonic oppression. What does this Bible have to say about the practice of exorcising demons? Is that something we should be doing today?Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Update on Teaching Ministry in Africa11:12 - Discussing Deliverance Ministries22:51 - Critiquing Deliverance Ministries26:10 - The Problems with Deliverance Ministries28:57 - The True Power: Faith, Righteousness, and the Word of God34:13 - Understanding Jesus' Authority and the Role of the Church37:29 - Testing Spirits and Questioning Experiences57:49 - Focusing on Jesus and His Authority

Michael and Jason discuss the controversy surrounding the opening ceremony of the Olympics, the different reactions to the controversy, and the binary nature of the response. They explore the idea of loving others while also standing firm in one's convictions. The conversation concludes with a discussion about the need for Christians to confront their own fears and trust in God's sovereignty, rather than getting caught up in the culture wars.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Discussion of Olympic Sports09:40 - Controversy Surrounding the Opening Ceremony14:09 - The Three Camps: Love, Outrage, and Indifference16:46 - Escaping the Binary: Loving Others and Holding Firm to Convictions30:18 - The Dangers of Binary Thinking36:12 - Dealing with Fear and Anxiety44:33 - The Role of the Church53:20 - Finding Refuge in God

Gianna, Michael, and Jason discuss the challenges of being image-bearers in different work environments and the temptation to prioritize career advancement over living out new creation values. They explore the idea that work is a form of worship and how it should be done with excellence and for the glory of God because work is not just a necessary evil or a means to an end, but a noble calling that reflects the values of new creation. They conclude with examples of how individuals can live out the new creation in their work, even in challenging circumstances.Chapters00:00 – Introduction08:00 - Approaching Work with Worship and Service15:27 - Challenging the Notion of Retirement in Heaven19:16 -Living Out New Creation in Our Work25:19 - Expanding Eden Through Our Work33:36 - Living as the New Creation in Our Vocations37:32 - Challenges of Being the New Creation in Different Work Environments52:11 - Work as a Form of Worship55:36 - Excellence and Humility in Our Work01:06:08 - Serving Others as the New Creation in Our Work

Michael, Jason, and Giana first address a misunderstanding about their views on justice and clarify that they advocate for justice using the tools of the kingdom of God. They then move on to discuss the concept of identity and its connection to new creation. They explore how society has shifted from God being the identity giver to individuals creating their own identities. They conclude by discussing the role of the church in fostering a sense of identity rooted in new creation principles.Chapters00:00- Introduction and Rap Discussion07:07 - Misunderstanding about Justice16:46 - Navigating Peace and Violence23:27 - Resistance and 'A Hidden Life'27:22 - Identity and New Creation30:27 - The Shift in Society's View of Identity36:41 - The Social Nature of Identity50:28 - Finding Our True Identity as Image Bearers57:20 - The Role of the Church in Fostering Identity

Today's conversation explores the correlation between trauma and belief in the spiritual realm, as well as the relevance of Christianity in traditional African contexts. The approach discussed is to listen, ask questions, and help individuals understand the power and authority of Jesus. It is emphasized that spiritual warfare is about living a life of obedience to the gospel rather than directly confronting spiritual entities. The danger lies in turning away from faith, not in being possessed against one's will. The conversation also touches on the topic of deliverance ministries and their potential benefits and dangers.Takeaways- Christianity in Africa has a range of beliefs and practices regarding demon possession and exorcism.- Some denominations dismiss or deny the existence of possession, while others actively engage in exorcisms.- It is important to differentiate between mental health issues and genuine cases of possession. There is often a correlation between trauma and belief in the spiritual realm.- The approach to engaging with individuals who have experienced spiritual phenomena should involve listening, asking questions, and helping them understand the power and authority of Jesus.- Spiritual warfare is primarily about living a life of obedience to the gospel rather than directly confronting spiritual entities.- The danger lies in turning away from faith, not in being possessed against one's will.Chapters00:00 - Introduction04:03 - Overview of Demon Possession and Exorcisms09:13 - African Traditional Belief: Ancestral Spirits and Possession27:54 - Differentiating Between Mental Health and Genuine Possession31:17 - The Correlation Between Trauma and Belief in the Spiritual Realm34:10 - Engaging with Spiritual Phenomena: Listening, Asking Questions, and Pointing to Jesus36:13 - Understanding Spiritual Warfare: Obedience to the Gospel37:11 - The Danger of Turning Away from Faith38:09 – How we fight the spiritual battle?40:32 – Can Christians become possessed?

Michael and special guest host Bill Barberg discuss the importance of justice and righteousness in the Bible, specifically the concepts of Mishpat and Tzedekah. They explore how these principles are rooted in God's character and how they should shape the lives of believers. They also address common misconceptions about social justice and the role of the church in pursuing justice. The conversation emphasizes the need for a holistic understanding of justice that encompasses both individual actions and systemic change.Takeaways- Justice and righteousness in the Old Testament, represented by Mishpat and Tzedekah, go beyond individual acts of kindness or personal piety.- They encompass a way of life that reflects God's love and compassion for the vulnerable.- Biblical justice is not limited to the punishment of wrongdoers but involves taking up the cause of the poor, the orphan, and the needy.- The concept of justice has become controversial in today's society, often due to political polarization and differing interpretations.- The church should not shy away from addressing social justice issues but should approach them with discernment and a biblical understanding of justice.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Background03:03 - The Old Testament Understanding of Mishpat and Tzedekah09:25 - Exploring the Practical Elements of New Creation16:17 - The Controversy Surrounding the Concept of Justice25:21 - Distinguishing Biblical Justice from Cultural Interpretations27:16 - Understanding Mishpat and Tzedekah: Justice and Equity31:55 - Addressing Misconceptions about Social Justice36:37 - The Role of the Church in Pursuing Justice46:29 - Justice as Both Individual Actions and Systemic ChangeLinks to Bill Barberg's classes on Mishpat and TzedekahClass 1: Understanding the Words (37:13) https://vimeo.com/930323003/958ce6c56fClass 2: Justice and Righteousness in the Old Testament (45:40) https://vimeo.com/940563230/b8893f9ec9Class 3: Justice and Righteousness in the New Testament (54:47) https://vimeo.com/941066745/112e300c47

In this conversation, Michael and Gianna discuss the ten principles of new creation. They explore topics such as sacrifice, community, collaboration with God, and striving for unity and justice.Takeaways- New creation is not a list of rules or tasks, but something to be embodied.- Self-sacrifice is a key aspect of new creation, and it begins with cruciformity, living in the shape of the cross.- Community is central to new creation, and it requires everyone to do their part.- New creation is a collaborative effort with God, and it involves discovering knowledge and understanding the character of God.- New creation aims to be a peacemaker and strives for unity at all levels.- New creation insists on equality and justice in all aspects of life.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Moving to Principles of New Creation14:03 - Embodiment: The Essence of New Creation25:51 - Cruciformity: Living in the Shape of the Cross31:19 - The Importance of Community in New Creation35:18 - Collaboration with God in New Creation47:48 - Sacrificial Love for Others in New Creation50:59 - Faithfully Imaging God in New Creation56:20 - Avoiding the Weapons of the World in New Creation58:51 - Striving for Peacemaking in New Creation01:00:51 - Insisting on Equality and Justice in New Creation01:02:40 - Unity and the Unifying Nature of New Creation

Michael and Gianna discuss the importance of living out the principles of new creation in the context of community and society. They explore the idea that the church is called to be a new creation community that embodies love, hospitality, and reconciliation. They emphasize the need to reject the dynamics of the old creation, such as power struggles and revenge, and instead embrace the transformative power of love and forgiveness. They also discuss the role of governing authorities and the importance of submitting to them while remaining faithful to the principles of new creation.Takeaways- The concept of new creation in Romans 12 emphasizes the need to live differently and embrace a new reality in Christ.- Sincere love is the starting point for the new creation community- Power with others, rather than power over others, is the redemptive power of the new creation.- Moralism can be dangerous and can distract from the transformative power of the new creation.- Living out the principles of new creation requires a radical transformation of our mindset and actions.Chapters00:00 - Introduction10:31 - The Background of Romans 1215:28 - Embracing the New Creation18:45 - Power Over vs. Power Within the New Creation19:45 - The Dangers of Moralism in the New Creation25:36 - Living Out the New Creation: Love, Unity, and Renewal29:08 - Living as a New Creation Community39:02 - Rejecting Revenge and Trusting in God's Justice

This special Patreon episode is being released this week for everyone to access. For access to other episodes in the “The Misfits” series, go to www.patreon.com/eikonpodcast. This episode examines the challenge of feeling like a misfit in a spiritual community but also feeling known. Brian, Reggie, and Michael discuss a range of topics including the challenges of engaging in conversations, the dynamics of church culture, mental health struggles, and the obstacles faced by introverts in building relationships within a church community.Takeaways- The importance of creating a culture where individuals feel known and understood- The need for time, effort, and grace in building meaningful relationships Engaging in conversations can be challenging, especially for introverts and those with low capacity for fellowship.- Church culture presents obstacles for individuals with mental health struggles and introverted personalities.- Navigating relationships within a church community requires understanding and empathy for the struggles of others.- Showing love and being present for others is a powerful way to support those facing mental health challenges and introverted tendencies.Chapters00:00 - Navigating Social Interactions and Church Culture11:49 - Understanding Introversion, Mental Health, and Chronic Illness27:39 - Navigating Conversational Challenges43:26 - Dynamics of Church Culture49:55 - Mental Health Struggles and Relationships53:15 - Obstacles Faced by Introverts

In this episode of the Eikon Podcast, Michael Burns is joined by his son Elijah Burns to discuss the concept of new creation. They explore the characteristics of new creation in Galatians, including the importance of image-bearing, the need for alternative wisdom, freedom from the powers, and the way of the cross. They also discuss the challenges of navigating old creation dynamics in church culture and Christian college campuses. Elijah shares his personal journey of breaking free from a checklist mentality and finding freedom in the new creation. They emphasize the importance of dialogue, questioning, and being open to struggle in the pursuit of new creation.Takeaways- New creation is characterized by image bearing, alternative wisdom, freedom from the powers, and the way of the cross.- Old creation dynamics, such as checklist mentalities and rules-driven behavior, can hinder the experience of new creation.- It is important to question and challenge beliefs and practices in order to align with the new creation.- Engaging in dialogue and being open to struggle is essential in the pursuit of new creation.- The younger generation is focused on activism and justice and resonates with the idea of being part of creating change.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Special Guest04:07 - Exploring the Characteristics of New Creation13:12 - Navigating Old Creation Dynamics in Church Culture37:23 - The Importance of Dialogue and Struggle in New Creation45:12 - The Younger Generation's Focus on Activism and Justice

Gianna and Michael discuss the concept of new creation and how it relates to the Christian life. They explore the idea that the struggles and hardships in life can lead to growth and transformation. They also discuss the importance of living a life that is focused on God's wisdom and not the world's standards of success. The conversation highlights the need for Christians to live in a way that is different from the world and to be ambassadors of reconciliation.Takeaways- The Christian life is not always easy or pleasant, but it is a life of sacrifice and struggle.- The Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in the process of living as new creations.- Living by faith, not by sight, is essential in the Christian life. Struggles and hardships can lead to growth and transformation in the Christian life.- Living a life focused on God's wisdom rather than the world's standards of success is important.- Christians are called to live in a way that is different from the world and to be ambassadors of reconciliation.Chapters00:00 - Introduction14:53 - Living as New Creations: Sacrifice and Struggle25:45 - The Role of the Holy Spirit in New Creation27:43 - Living by Faith, Not by Sight29:37 - Final Thoughts and Conclusion35:33 - The Transformative Power of Struggles and Hardships38:36 - Being Ambassadors of Reconciliation43:46 - The Power of Living as a New Creation in Christ

Michael and Jason dive into 2 Corinthians looking starting with the idea that new creation is not just about individual transformation, but also about the transformation of the church body as a whole. They explore the idea that true thriving is not about worldly success or impressive appearances, but about embracing weakness and dependence on God. They emphasize the importance of viewing success and thriving through the lens of faith, rather than the standards of the world. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the significance of fixing our eyes on the unseen and eternal.Takeaways- The concept of new creation in 2 Corinthians is not just about individual transformation, but also about the transformation of the church body as a whole.- Living in the new creation can be challenging and requires a shift in perspective from worldly values to the values of the kingdom of God.- Paul's emphasis on weakness and reliance on God challenges the worldly notion of presenting oneself with grandiosity and prestige.- The world often does not understand the gospel, and preaching Christ can be seen as foolish or unimpressive.- There are two realities at play: the old creation of the world and the new creation of the kingdom of God. True thriving is not about worldly success or impressive appearances, but about embracing weakness and dependence on God.- Success and thriving should be viewed through the lens of faith, rather than the standards of the world.- There is a contrast between outward appearances and inward renewal in the new creation.- Fixing our eyes on the unseen and eternal is key to understanding true thriving.- The paradoxical nature of the new creation challenges our conventional understanding of success and thriving.Chapters00:00 – Opening Conversation13:59 - The Concept of New Creation20:01 - Shifting Perspectives: From Worldly Values to Kingdom Values25:11 - The World's Misunderstanding of the Gospel27:01 - Exploring the Desire for Impact29:38 - The Danger of Seeking Personal Glory35:15 - Contrasting Outward Appearances and Inward Renewal39:24 - Redefining Thriving in the New Creation46:47 - The Paradox of Success in the New Creation

Are ghosts real? Thabani and Michael look at ghosts in both the popular and biblical contexts. They explore the Western perspective on ghosts and the fascination with ghost movies and stories, despite a low percentage of Americans who say they believe in ghosts. Thabani shares his personal experiences with seeing a ghost-like figure as a child and a friend's encounter with a supernatural presence. Michael also shares his own experiences, including hearing a voice in a historic mansion and his wife's strange encounter in a hotel room. They then explore different perspectives and biblical passages that mention ghosts. They also discuss the belief in ghosts in different cultures and the dangers of seeking communication with the dead. They conclude that while there may be supernatural beings and occurrences, it is important to rely on God and His Word for guidance and not to engage in practices that contradict the character of Jesus.Takeaways- Despite a low percentage of Americans believing in ghosts, ghost movies, and stories are popular forms of entertainment.- Personal experiences with ghosts can be unsettling and leave a lasting impact.- Ghost stories often involve unexplained phenomena and are shrouded in mystery.- Different generations and cultures have varying beliefs and attitudes towards ghosts.- The Bible mentions ghosts in a few passages, but the interpretation and understanding of these passages vary.- There is a distinction between disembodied spirits and demonic entities, but the specifics of their existence and interaction with the physical realm are not fully explained in the Bible. - God warns against seeking communication with the dead or engaging in practices that contradict the character of Jesus.- It is important to rely on God and His Word for guidance and to prioritize the development of Christ-like character.- The fascination with ghosts and supernatural phenomena should not overshadow the importance of loving and impacting others in the community.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Personal Experiences17:32 - Personal Encounters with Ghosts25:25 - The Mystery and Intrigue of Ghost Stories32:30 - Introduction and Personal Stories39:27 - The Story of Peter and the Angel46:48 - Different Interpretations of Ghost Passages58:28 - Relying on God and His Word for Guidance01:07:12 - Conclusion and Future Topics

In this episode, Michael and Gianna discuss the topic of indulgence and whether it is acceptable for Christians to enjoy lavish things. The conversation explores the balance between enjoying life and being mindful of those who are less fortunate, exploring the concepts of lack and abundance and its impact on our mindset and actions. They highlight how focusing on lack can lead to division, tribalism, and chaos. They discuss the balance between enjoying God's creation and sharing it with others.Takeaways- Being all things to all people can involve participating in activities or indulging in things that are common in certain circles, even if they may seem lavish or extravagant.- Enjoying the good things in life does not make someone less of a follower of Jesus or a reflection of Him.- Caring for the poor and enjoying life are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to do both and find a balance.- God created abundance and wants us to enjoy the good things He has provided, while also being mindful of others and using our resources to help those in need. Focusing on lack creates division, tribalism, and chaos.- Gratitude and trust in God's provision counter the mindset of lack.- Enjoying God's creation and sharing it with others is a balance to strive for.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Jason's Absence12:42 - The Conversation on Indulgence31:00 - The Temptation of Lack46:32 - Balancing Enjoyment and Sharing01:00:56 - Stewardship in the New Creation

The Eikon team explores the idea that creation was never a completed project, but rather had room for growth and development. Michael, Jason, and Gianna discuss the concept of new creation in the Bible, particularly in the writings of Paul and Isaiah. They explore the idea that creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be. They also discuss how new creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.Takeaways- Creation was never a completed project but had room for growth and development.- Being in the image of God means reflecting God's image as a community.- Our identity as image bearers of God is our inherent worth and dignity.- It can be challenging to respond gracefully in rude encounters, but it's important to consider the context and choose the best course of action.- Creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be.- New creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.- The symbolic nature of passages describing the new creation should be understood, as they depict a reality that is too wonderful to fully comprehend.- New creation often emerges in the midst of conflict and challenges, refining and shaping individuals and communities.- The journey of new creation has no end and continually moves towards greater glory.Chapters00:00 - Names06:42 - The Frustrations of Group Communication13:26 - The Continuous Growth of Creation36:07 - New Creation in the Present43:06 - Symbolism and the Wonder of New Creation53:47 - New Creation in the Midst of Conflict

Michael and Gianna analyze the important role of the theme of new creation in John's Gospel.

Thabani and Michael discuss the African view of demons and spirits. They explore the belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins, the rituals and practices associated with them, and the African Christian view of spirits and demons. They also discuss the syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity, where some African Christians still participate in ancestral rituals alongside their Christian faith. Overall, the conversation highlights the complex and diverse perspectives on the spiritual realm in Africa.Takeaways- In African culture, there is a belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins.- Ancestral rituals and practices are still prevalent in some African Christian communities.- There is a syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity in some African cultures.- The African view of the spiritual realm is complex and diverse, with variations across different tribes and regions. Traditional African practices, such as seeking rain from ancestors, are still important to many Africans, but have been discarded by some Pentecostal and evangelical Christians.- The clash between traditional African practices and Christianity can create conflicts within families and communities.- Many African Christians believe that demons play a role in various aspects of life, such as illness, addiction, and failure, and seek spiritual solutions to these problems.- There is a need for a balanced perspective that considers both traditional African beliefs and Western scientific explanations.Chapters00:00 - Introduction05:12 - Thabani's Expertise in the Spiritual Realm08:27 - The Early Church's View on Demons17:31 - Demons in the New Testament23:36 - African View of Demons and Spirits36:20 - African Christian View of Demons44:13 - The Role of Ancestors and Traditional Practices51:16 - African Christian View of Spirits and Demons

In this episode, the hosts discuss the tension between individual humility and organizational pride in the church. They explore how the desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility. They also address the discontentment that some people feel towards the church and the challenge of learning to love the church as it is. The hosts discuss the influence of money and power in the church and express concerns about the commercialization of faith. They emphasize the importance of seeing the church as family and recognizing the larger network of believers.Takeaways- The power of the gospel is revealed in weakness and the paradox of death and victory.- Churches should focus on reflecting Jesus and living in freedom rather than striving for worldly success. Think before you speak and consider the impact of your words.- The desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility.- It is important to learn to love the church as it is, recognizing its strengths and weaknesses.- The influence of money and power in the church can compromise its integrity and mission.- Recognize that the church is part of a larger network of believers and that God is always at work.Chapters00:00 - Introduction16:15 - The Paradox of Jesus' Death and Victory19:25 - The Tension Between Death and Life21:27 - The Glory of the Cross23:49 - The Power of the Gospel in Weakness25:45 - The Temptation of Impressive Churches36:43 - The Fear of Failure in Churches38:12 - The Tension Between Victory and Weakness42:45 - Living in Fear vs. Living in Freedom44:11 - The Tension Between Individual Humility and Organizational Pride48:43 - Learning to Love the Church as It Is53:02 - The Influence of Money and Power in the Church56:17 - The Concerns about the Commercialization of Faith58:13 - The Importance of Seeing the Church as Family01:01:46 - Recognizing the Larger Network of Believers01:06:08 - Staying Rooted in the Work of God

The Eikon team explores the tension between influence and humility, particularly in the context of their fields of ministry and professional sports. The hosts discuss their personal experiences and struggles with seeking influence and maintaining humility. They also delve into the concept of incarnational teaching and the importance of local influence. The pressure to be out in front and the desire for recognition are identified as challenges to humility. Ultimately, they emphasize the need to prioritize the heart's desires and to be content with the influence that aligns with God's will.Takeaways- View the work itself as the reward and find joy in the process.- Prioritize people over content and focus on individual touch and formation.- Strive for fruit rather than outcomes and avoid the status culture.- Be a resource rather than the main attraction and limit influence.- Embrace brokenness and humility and recognize the tension between seeking influence and embracing humility.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage06:38 - The Tension Between Influence and Humility13:27 - Balancing Influence and Humility in Professional Sports23:51 - Incarnational Teaching and Local Influence27:11 - The Pressure to Be Out in Front31:05 - The Challenge of Desiring Influence32:11 - The Joy of the Work33:12 - Viewing the Work as the Reward35:19 - Limiting Influence37:16 - Putting People Over Content38:15 - Formation Over Efficiency39:12 - Individual Touch Over Scope and Reach40:10 - Being a Resource, Not the Meal41:36 - Avoiding the Status Culture42:29 - The Wisdom of Limiting Influence44:24 - The Example of BJ Foster45:49 - Balancing the Desire for Influence49:11 - Recognizing Brokenness and Embracing Humility50:10 - Triangulating Our Identity53:11 - The Competition Between God's Influence and Society's Influence55:28 - The Importance of Limiting Influence, Power, and Scope01:03:2 - The Challenge of Balancing Influence and Representation01:08:25 - The Tension Between Being Known and Being Forgotten

Michael and Gianna explore the connections between the Old Testament and the concept of new creation, highlighting the themes of restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth. They also discuss different versions of the gospel and emphasize the importance of understanding Jesus as king and living in his kingdom. The conversation concludes with the reminder that the gospel is not solely about personal benefits, but about fulfilling God's purpose and mission.Takeaways- The concept of new creation is a prevalent theme in the Bible, representing restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth.- Understanding Jesus as king is crucial to fully grasp the gospel and live in his kingdom.- Different versions of the gospel, such as the belief in heaven or freedom from rules, can be incomplete and me-centric.- The gospel is ultimately about fulfilling God's purpose and mission, rather than solely personal benefits. The Bible is not about us, but about Jesus and his role in bringing about new creation.- Being in Christ means being part of the team that brings about new creation.- The genealogy of Jesus points to the fulfillment of the Old Testament and the coming of new creation.- The themes of the kingdom, healings, and the commandments of Jesus are all part of the new creation.- The renewal of all things is the ultimate goal of new creation.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and setting a world record10:09 - Old and New Creation in Matthew24:45 - Different Versions of the Gospel30:43 - The Gospel as God's Purpose and Mission34:23 - Being in Christ36:19 - Jesus as the fulfillment of the Old Testament38:15 - The genealogy of Jesus40:34 - The theme of new creation in Matthew49:11 - The theme of the kingdom in Matthew50:05 - Healings as part of the new creation55:06 - The commandments of Jesus as the restoration of God's original intentions59:37 - The renewal of all things

Michael and Thabani discuss the African and biblical views of the spiritual realm. They explore the biblical worldview of the spiritual realm, including the role of the sons of God and the divine council. They also discuss the African worldview, which includes belief in territorial gods and ancestral spirits. The conversation highlights the similarities and differences between the two views and the impact of these beliefs on African culture. The episode concludes with a preview of future topics and a call for listener input.Takeaways- The biblical worldview of the spiritual realm includes the existence of the sons of God and the divine council, who rule over the nations on behalf of Yahweh.- The African worldview of the spiritual realm includes belief in territorial gods and ancestral spirits, who are consulted and appeased through rituals and ceremonies.- There are similarities and differences between the African and biblical views of the spiritual realm, and these beliefs have a significant impact on African culture and practices.- Future episodes will explore topics such as witchcraft, ghosts, and demons from a biblical perspective.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Background06:27 - The Biblical View of the Spiritual Realm16:49 - The African View of the Spiritual Realm31:53 - Belief Systems and Practices in African Culture44:53 - Future Topics and Conclusion

The Eikon team explores the concept of the undoing of creation and the thread of creation and new creation in the Bible. They emphasize the importance of living in Christ as a community of new creation. In this conversation, the team discusses the themes of trust, restoration, and living in a fallen and renewed world. They explore the challenges God presents to empire and the pattern of God's challenges throughout the Bible. The hosts also discuss the frustration of ambiguity in new creation and the need for God's intervention in restoring broken relationships.Takeaways- Living as new creations requires a conscious effort to align one's actions and attitudes with the values and principles of the Christian faith.- The frustration with others not living as new creations highlights the tension between personal growth and the influence of external factors.- The Bible presents a narrative of creation and new creation, with the goal of restoring and renewing the world through God's intervention.- Living in Christ as new creations involves embracing a new way of being and striving to align one's life with the teachings and example of Jesus. Trust in God is essential in living in a fallen and renewed world.- God challenges empire and offers new creation in response to injustice and de-creation.- Obedience and sin have cosmic effects and impact relationships.- Restoration of broken relationships requires trust and cannot be achieved through human efforts alone.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates01:05 - Fashion and Comfort06:18 - Shopping at Lululemon09:27 - Frustration with Others Not Living as New Creations10:30 - Focus of the Episode: New Creation13:05 - Striving to Live as New Creations18:12 - The Thread of Creation and New Creation26:23 - Living in Christ as New Creations27:16 - Bible Discussion Group28:08 - Introduction and Pronunciation of Habakkuk28:34 - God's Challenges to Empire29:36 - The Pattern of God's Challenges30:31 - The Role of Trust in New Creation32:30 - Living in a Vandalized World33:39 - Restoration and Trust in God36:06 - Learning to Trust God37:32 - Wisdom and Trusting God39:01 - Obedience and Sin in a Fallen World40:07 - Living in a Fallen and Renewed World42:46 - The Frustration of Ambiguity in New Creation45:32 - Broken Relationships and Restoration48:48 - The Inability to Fix the Situation54:11 - The Story of the Prodigal Son01:02:31 - Conclusion and Preview of Next Episode

In this episode, Gianna Hearn returns to the Eikon Podcast and shares updates on her life. The conversation then transitions to the topic of new creation, focusing on the differences and similarities between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. They explore different interpretations of these chapters and emphasize the importance of starting the story of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 rather than Genesis 3. The conversation explores the themes of sin, repentance, and the purpose of human beings in the context of the biblical narrative. It emphasizes the importance of beginning the story in Genesis 1 and 2, which highlights the goodness of creation and the image-bearing role of humans. The discussion challenges the traditional view of sin as solely breaking the rules and presents a more holistic understanding of sin as the absence of goodness and the failure to do good. It also highlights the significance of repentance as a turning back to God and the hope of being restored to the image of GodTakeaways- Differences and similarities between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2- Interpretations of Genesis 1 and 2- The importance of starting the story of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 Begin the biblical narrative in Genesis 1 and 2 to understand the goodness of creation and the image-bearing role of humans.- Sin should be understood as the absence of goodness and the failure to do good, rather than solely breaking rules.- Repentance involves turning back to God and embracing the purpose of being an image bearer.- Humans are mortal beings who need God for eternal life and the fulfillment of their purpose.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Life Updates09:53 - Starting the Conversation on New Creation13:36 - Genesis 1 and Genesis 2: Differences and Similarities26:01 - Starting in Genesis 1 and 228:03 - The Importance of Genesis 1 and 228:49 - The Story of Sin29:19 - The Motivating Factor30:18 - Beginning with Genesis 1 and 231:16 - The Hope in a Positive Light32:14 - A Robust Theology of Sin34:32 - Sin as the Absence of Goodness36:01 - Breaking Rules vs. Doing Good39:20 - Image Bearing and Sin Management41:37 - Repentance: Turning Back to God48:11 - Genesis 2 as a Temple54:56 - Humans as Mortal Beings58:33 - The Tree of Life

SummaryThis episode delves into the pressure to be okay in church culture and the importance of creating a space where it's okay not to be okay. The concept of being seen or invisible is explored, highlighting the significance of feeling understood and validated. The conversation also touches on the need for a culture of lament and wrestling with God, acknowledging the complexities of life and the presence of suffering.Takeaways- Feeling unseen can arise in various contexts, including church culture and racial experiences.- The temptation to change oneself to fit expectations and be seen is common but should be navigated with grace.- Being seen for who you truly are requires a diverse and inclusive community that values personal stories.- Fostering cultures that truly see and value individuals is essential for creating a sense of belonging and unity.Chapters00:00 - Introverts and Extroverts during Quarantine06:34 - Enjoying the Quarantine as an Introvert13:01 - Church Culture and the Pressure to be Okay19:46 - Creating a Culture of Being Seen or Invisible27:36 - The Importance of Lament and Wrestling with God35:47 - The God Who Sees and Stoops Down39:04 - Ways Church Culture Can Make Misfits Feel Unseen40:25 - Feeling Unseen41:14 - Racial and Cultural Experiences42:10 - Church Culture and Expectations43:37 - Feeling Unvalued44:38 - Overcoming Expectations45:29 - Fear of Public Speaking46:12 - Favoritism and Exclusion47:28 - Associating with Others48:37 - Feeling Used50:33 - Being Seen for Who You Are53:08 - Superficial Connections55:36 - Cultures that Foster Being Seen

In this conversation, Michael and Jason discuss the purpose and meaning of Genesis 1 and 2. They emphasize that Genesis is not a scientific account of the physical formation of the universe, but rather a theological narrative about God's desire to dwell with humanity within the themes of creation and new creation in the Bible. They explore the ancient structure of creation, with its seven days and God's rest on the seventh day. They also discuss the idea of creation as a temple, where God desires to dwell with humanity. The conversation raises the question of whether we sometimes exalt the text of the Bible over faith and God, and the dangers of doing so. They suggest reading the scriptures with more openness and humility, focusing on the heart of God rather than getting lost in the text.TakeawaysGenesis 1 and 2 are not scientific accounts, but theological narratives about God's desire to dwell with humanity.The goodness of creation emphasizes God's intention to create a space for humans to dwell with Him.Humans are called to be stewards of creation and participate in bringing order and purpose to the world.Creation suffers due to human sin and rebellion against God's calling.The ultimate goal of creation is for God to dwell with humanity in new creation.Chapters00:00- Introduction and Schedule Change10:09 - The Purpose of Genesis 1 and 212:46 - Understanding Creation in Genesis18:29 - The Significance of 'Good' in Genesis28:02 - The Desire for God to Dwell with Us33:33 - Creation Suffers Due to Human Sin37:33 - The Teleos of Creation41:43 - The Role of Humans as Image Bearers42:58 - The Ancient Structure of Creation45:11 - The Seventh Day and God's Rest48:11 - Creation as a Temple50:57 - God's Desire to Dwell with Us55:38 - Exalting the Text Over God59:38 - The Danger of Biblicism01:03:42 - The Hermeneutic of Expectancy