Podcast appearances and mentions of tim lloyd

In this week's episode, we have a discussion with guest speaker Tim Lloyd, and wrap up this 3 part discussion with the topic of creating a business plan to best market yourself for effective client outreach and potential sales. Link to Last Weeks Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C436pVdlSfY Contact Tim Lloyd: Phone: 714.794.7824 Email: tlloyd@surterreproperties.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timlloydrealtor Nestor and Travis, seasoned professionals in the real estate industry, are here to guide you through everything real estate. Loving this podcast for realtors? Subscribe for more! Let us know what you think in the comments below. Follow us on Instagram: @AgentsPlaybook @REMAXPremierOC Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theAgentsPla... https://www.facebook.com/PremierRealty #RealEstate #RealEstateAgents #RealEstateMarket #REMAX #realtorpodcast #realtorlife #2023 #preparation #predictions #tasks #planning #business #realestatemarket #housingmarket #discussion #realtortips #findingclients #client #advice

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Building a Realtor Business Plan to DRIVE Sales

the Agents Playbook

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 28, 2023 27:47

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Building Client Relationships Through Shared Interests

the Agents Playbook

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 27, 2023 19:31

In this week's episode, we have a discussion with guest speaker Tim Lloyd, an experienced realtor in the world of real estate, we will discuss the strategy of pursing clients in areas of your personal interest, that are seemingly not related to real estate. Contact Tim Lloyd: Phone: 714.794.7824 Email: tlloyd@surterreproperties.com Instagram: / timlloydrealtor Nestor and Travis, seasoned professionals in the real estate industry, are here to guide you through everything real estate. Loving this podcast for realtors? Subscribe for more! Let us know what you think in the comments below. 0:00 - Intro 0:34 - Finding Your MO in Social Media 7:50 - Where should you be looking for new clients? Follow us on Instagram: @AgentsPlaybook @REMAXPremierOC Follow us on Facebook: / theagentspla. . / premierrealty #RealEstate #RealEstateAgents #RealEstateMarket #REMAX #realtorpodcast #realtorlife #2023 #preparation #predictions #tasks #planning #business #realestatemarket #housingmarket #discussion #realtortips #findingclients #client #advice

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Sales Experience In Real Estate

the Agents Playbook

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 27, 2023 18:55

In this week's episode, we have a discussion with guest speaker Tim Lloyd, and delve into the intricacies of property sales, exploring the nuances, challenges, and rewarding aspects of the real estate sales journey. Gain insights into effective strategies, client relationships, and the dynamic nature of closing deals in the ever-evolving market. Contact Tim Lloyd: Phone: 714.794.7824 Email: tlloyd@surterreproperties.com Instagram: / timlloydrealtor Nestor and Travis, seasoned professionals in the real estate industry, are here to guide you through everything real estate. Loving this podcast for realtors? Subscribe for more! Let us know what you think in the comments below. Follow us on Instagram: @AgentsPlaybook @REMAXPremierOC Follow us on Facebook: / theagentspla. . / premierrealty #RealEstate #RealEstateAgents #RealEstateMarket #REMAX #realtorpodcast #realtorlife #2023 #preparation #predictions #tasks #planning #business #realestatemarket #housingmarket #discussion #realtortips #findingclients #client #advice

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Episode 2 | Beauty From Ashes: How God Is Moving In the Most Fragile Nations

Open Doors LIVE

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2023 62:00

Elly and Tim Lloyd share about their adventure in France, Central Asia, and Turkey, and how they saw God's love and tenderness moving through the global body of Christ.

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Dealing With Distraction

ChristChurch, Crawley - Sunday Mornings

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 6, 2023 43:35

Tim Lloyd

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Would you do an off-road triathlon? Xterra comes to the UK with Tim Lloyd

Simon Ward, The Triathlon Coach Podcast Channel

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 22, 2023 48:31

Stop the press! In a correction to what we may have said in the podcast, the Xterra events DO NOT allow gravel or cyclo cross bikes. You are only permitted to ride a mountain bike with straight handlebars. Full British Triathlon rules are available HERE. Have you ever thought about doing a triathlon or multisport race in a different format? There are plenty to chose from these days - swim/run, Aquabike, crossTri and Xterra. In 2001 I participated in the first Xterra event to be hosted in the UK, and I thoroughly enjoyed the day out. It's always been a surprise to me that this format of triathlon has never really taken off in the UK as it's really popular in the US and Europe. Today I'm joined by Tim Lloyd, founder of Always Aim High. I'm sure you have heard of their adventure triathlon series comprising Slateman, Snowman and Sandman in N Wales as well as a range of other events. And now they have taken over the Xterra license and will be promoting this year's event (and hopefully for many years to come) at Weston Park in Shropshire. Topics discussed include: Tim's early years involved with mountain running events Fell runners vs triathletes and their very different approaches to training and racing Why events like Sandman were created to have a festival atmosphere The Xterra concept and what you can expect If you'd like to find out more about Tim and the Always Aim High races including the Xterra event please use the following social media channels: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aahevents/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alwaysaimhigh Twitter: https://twitter.com/aahevents Website: https://alwaysaimhighevents.com YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqUHf1umSDEYtH0QTeEsKkA Where you can view some videos from their 2022 Triathlon Events, including: Slateman Triathlon & Duathlon Llandudno Triathlon Sandman Triathlon & Duathlon Craft Snowman Triathlon & Duathlon Weston Park Triathlon & Duathlon Tim highly recommends the following podcast by one of his favourite cyclists: Geraint Thomas Cycling Club And also G's book 'The Tour According to G' Join our SWAT/High Performance Human tribe using this link, with a happiness guarantee! You can watch a brief video about the group by going to our website here, and join SWAT/High Performance Human tribe here. Purchase a copy of my High Performance Human e-book featuring more than 30 top tips on how to upgrade your life. If you would like to help offset the cost of our podcast production, we would be so grateful. Please click here to support the HPH podcast. Thank you! Visit Simon's website for more information about his coaching programmes. Links to all of Simon's social media channels can be found here. For any questions please email Beth@TheTriathlonCoach.com.

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Feedback on Project Ushujaa's 36km Zanzibar Channel Swim for Charity.

The Best of Weekend Breakfast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2022 10:11

Refiloe speaks to Co-Organizer of Project Ushujaa, Tim Lloyd on their 36km Zanzibar Channel Swim for Charity to Zanzibar Channel in Tanzania with an aim of raising R 250 000 for Hospice Wits. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Covenant Commitment

Commitment on SermonAudio

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 19, 2022 22:00

A new MP3 sermon from Grace Covenant Baptist Church is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: Covenant Commitment Subtitle: Evening Service Speaker: Tim Lloyd Broadcaster: Grace Covenant Baptist Church Event: Sunday - PM Date: 9/18/2022 Bible: Psalm 89:4 Length: 22 min.

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235: What rising inflation means for the food industry

Table Talk

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2022 38:46

Rising inflation is hanging over every household and business in the country. In January 2022, overall prices were rising at around 5 per cent, with food a key contributor. So how will rising prices affect the food industry? In this episode of the Table Talk podcast, Stefan Gates is joined by two experts in this field. Tim Lloyd is Professor of Economics at Bournemouth University, Fraser McKevitt, is Head of Retail and Consumer Insight at Kantar. They look at how today's rate of inflation compares to recent - and not so recent - history, the factors that are driving prices up around the world, and they discuss who is likely to be worst-affected. Will supermarkets keep prices down to protect their market share? Will that lead to even more pressure on suppliers? And what can companies and individuals do to mitigate against the worst effects? Tim Lloyd, Professor of Economics, Bournemouth University Tim Lloyd is Professor of Economics in the Business School. He was appointed in July 2015 having previously been Associate Professor in the School of Economics at the University of Nottingham. Professor Lloyd's research interests lie in the fields of agricultural and food economics, particularly pricing, diet and health and competition in the food industry. Recent work, funded by both the European Commission and the UK's Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) has focused on the transmission of prices through the food chain and food price inflation in the UK and EU Member States. Fraser McKevitt, Head of Retail and Consumer Insight, Kantar In over a decade at Kantar, Fraser has helped advise some of the UK's biggest FMCG brands and supermarkets. All of this advice has been powered by real observed behaviours from Kantar's purchase and consumption panels, widely used throughout the grocery industry. He keeps a close eye on changing consumer and shopping behaviours, explaining how and why these trends influence and impact both manufacturers and retailers. He describes, analyses and comments as the grocers battle competitively for market share each month, through the Kantar ‘Grocery Market Share' release.

Tim Lloyd | Anglesey 10K & Half Marathon | Always Aim High Events

The UKRunChat podcast.

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 11, 2022 40:49

In episode #56 I am joined by Tim Lloyd from Always Aim High events. We talk about their upcoming events The Anglesey 10K & Half Marathon as well as some discussion about the nuts and bolts of organising a road race. Our previous episode with Tim was in September 2021 which you can listen to here Follow Always Aim High on: Instagram Twitter

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Prolific Possibilities: What Folklorists Do

SoundLore: Folklore & Ethnomusicology

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2021 19:33

Dr. Tim Lloyd introduces his recent publication “What Folklorists Do: Professional Possibilities in Folklore Studies,” an edited volume with contributions from over six dozen folklorists discussing what it is that they do in their lives and careers. Dr. Lloyd discusses hot the core ideas within the field of folkloristics and how the book shows the range of work that are informed by these core concepts. He shares where the inspiration to create “What Folklorists Do” came from and how it enhances this inspiration with a current look on the state and prospects of the field. Although “What Folklorists Do” is organized into four categories: “Researching and Teaching,” “Leading and Managing,” “Communicating and Curating,” and “Advocating and Partnering,” Dr. Lloyd encourages readers and folklorists to consider the natural overlap and partnership of these within Folklore Studies. Music: CORONAWAVE by Pagliacci and Some Other Klowns (Suyash Kumar Neupane, Ben Danner, Kurt Baer)

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Tim Lloyd, Always AimHigh Events.

The UKRunChat podcast.

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2021 48:23

Tim is one of the founders of always Aim High a fantastic events company based in North Wales that organise events like the Snowdon Trail Marathon. Tim is a former Olympic Skier, he is a full time firefighter and we chat all about his journey and how he came to be putting on the wonderful events at Always Aim High. You can learn more and interact with the team on: Website Instagram Twitter

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052 - Imperial Morrisman Brewday!

A Woman's Brew

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2021 61:25 Transcription Available

Welcome to A Woman's Brew, where women talk about beer! Back in July, Tori and Jo were invited to a very special brew day. Andy from Elusive Brewing invited A Woman's Brew: The Podcast to the brewery to have a chat about their upcoming collaboration with none other than Emperor's Brewery! A massive thank you to Andy, Damian from Emperor's and Tim Lloyd for chatting to us about how collaborations work, their fantasy collabs and how the beer Imperial Morrisman came about. The beer is being exclusively launched on Friday 10th September at The Ale House in Reading – get yourself down there if you can! Check out more delicious beers from Elusive on their webshop here: https://www.elusivebrewing.com/shop Check out Emperor's Etsy shop here: https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/EmperorsBreweryMerch And watch Tim's Beer Reviews on his YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGgytWqntiejwSMms9IwjLQ Get in Touch: Email: lovebeerlearning@gmail.com Website: http://www.lovebeerlearning.co.uk Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/lovebeerlearning Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lovebeerlearning Tori: @adventures_in_hoptimism Joanne: @awomansbrew. Facebook Group: Women's Pint Club Subscribe: · iTunes · Spotify · Sounder · Google · Stitcher · TuneIn Watch: YouTube Music: Higher Up by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

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#122 Tim Lloyd - MD Captains Club Hotel

Humans of Hospitality

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 25, 2021 72:42

From honing his skills in hotels on an employed basis, to learning the art of the restauranteur with his own venues, to taking all of that knowledge and finally getting to apply it in his very own hotel with his partner Rob, Tim has been on a great hospitality journey. And the captains club is a special kind of place. Wether simply attracting the locals for a light lunch, or a few cocktails as the sun sets on the river, or mingling with famous guests such as Hugh Grant or the Gallagher brothers, they’ve really found a way of becoming the heart of their local community. Tim is very humble and easy to chat to about his journey. He makes it all sound too easy, with a detail here, and the right team member there. But Tim and Robert have an attention for detail and a genuine love for their crazy hospitality adventure, no matter how challenging it gets. And they’ve had their challenges, from planning permission impacting the business model leaving them just £1 million pounds short in enough money to open up. And then having finally got the doors open wondering if they’d run out of cashflow before they could turn their dream into a success. But 14 years later they are still going strong, or at least they were until the pandemic struck. But in typical Tim style he’s taking it in his stride and whilst nervous about the future, he and Rob are investing in the property and more than hoping, they are planning on re-opening for a busy summer. I hope you enjoy this chat about perseverance and the meandering journey life can take sometimes, but how, if you simply take the first step, then the adventure can be pretty rewarding and exciting.

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Ep #93: Working Together From Anywhere with Tim Lloyd

Thriving Empire

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 9, 2020 28:26

How do we evolve into a more sensible, flexible working world that puts human connection & wellbeing at the centre of the workplace? How do we shake up the traditional digital workspace and replicate spontaneous water cooler moments online? How does 'working together from anywhere' help to soften the loneliness & isolation of working remotely? Tim Lloyd shares how they're approaching these big questions at Wurkr. Head over to https://stephanieholland.co/93 to listen to the show, and get the full show notes.

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Episode 1: Tim Lloyd

R+B Friday

Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2020 29:16

On this first ever episode we catch up with Tim Lloyd who lived in Kew Student Residence in 2014-15 and lived in 'the House', 2016-17.

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IRR Ep. 05 Tim, Lloyd, Lee & Vin - We're talking Performance

Indian Rider Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2020 56:35

Getting the most from your Thunderstroke is what it's all about at Lloydz Motorworks and Indian Motorcycle of Charlotte. Meet Tim Sutherland and Lloyd Greer and learn more about what it takes to go BIG.Speaking of BIG, how does 1000 miles in 24 hours sound? The Inaugural Southeast Iron Butt Tour is going on in August and Lee Keller has details....MotoNews, Regional Weather with Meteorologist Vin Crosby, and more - IRR Ep. 05 is here.Support the show (https://www.paypal.com/biz/fund?id=H936M85CN9VGN)

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Jia and Ashley of We Live Here

STL by Design

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2020 42:02

This week we interviewed Jia Lian and Ashley Winters, co-hosts of the popular podcast We Live Here. We Live Here explores the issues of race, class and power that led to the emotional eruption in the wake of Michael Brown's shooting death in Ferguson. St. Louis Public Radio reporters Tim Lloyd and Kameel Stanley present podcasts, radio features, web stories and use social media for an in-depth exploration of how systemic racism impacts people as well as the well-being of our region and beyond.Join us on Thursday, February 27 at 6:30pm at Grand Center for a collaborative live event, where we'll be talking with three panelists about the importance of Designing Equity in Saint Louis. Panelists include Erika Horano, Antionette Carroll, and MK Stallings. https://www.stlpublicradio.org/events/

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Episode 776 - Singer Songwriter Storytelling Showcase with The Brothers Reed & Tim Lloyd

Rock Paper Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 5, 2020 117:37

Back in August 2019, I invited my friends The Brothers Reed & Tim Lloyd of The Western States to join me at Naked Vine for my monthly Singer Songwriter Storytelling Showcase. This is the audio recorded that evening. Be sure to support these wonderful people! Buy an album, go see them live, follow them on Facebook & Instagram, it all helps. Thanks again to Naked Vine for giving this showcase a home. We'll be back out there January 14th, 2020 with Ethan Jones, Lisa Houdei & Chris Curd. 7pm.

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Westmoreland on the Mat Podcast Episode 1

Westmoreland on the Mat

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 22, 2019 67:00

Welcome to the Westmoreland on the Mat Podcast on the Westmoreland Sports Network!This first edition features:Special guest, PIAA wrestling official Tim Lloyd explaining this year's rule changes.2019-2020 Westmoreland Sports wrestling broadcast schedule.A thank you to our broadcast series sponsors.How wrestling broadcasts began on WSN.Hosts: Kris Smith, Jeff Shaw, George Carter, Dan Flickinger

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Tim Lloyd

Every Student Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 27, 2019 28:02

Tim Lloyd joins Mark Scott on the Every Student Podcast to discuss how industry partnerships set up students for success.

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Episode 728 - Tim Lloyd of Western States

Rock Paper Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 21, 2019 74:53

Singer Songwriter Tim Lloyd joins me to discuss some of his history in music, his brand new project Western States, recording their debut album, stories behind the songs, upcoming Album Release Party and much more. This episode was recorded live at Blue Lotus studios. Big thanks to Paul for letting us hang out and recording the live acoustic song! On this episode you'll hear: Fire and Rage Details (Live Acoustic) Fever You can now find Western States wherever you get digital music with their new single "The Duke" Don't miss the Album Release Party July 20th at Off Broadway in St.Louis, MO with Funky Butt Brass Band & Cree Rider. Tickets are now available! Find more info by following Western States on Facebook. WesternStatesBand.com

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'We Live Here' team hands over microphone to St. Louis youth in latest podcast

St. Louis on the Air

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 7, 2018 9:48

For four seasons now, St. Louis Public Radio’s We Live Here podcast team has been telling community-driven stories for listeners “somewhere on the woke spectrum.” A couple weeks ago, co-producers and hosts Tim Lloyd and Kameel Stanley took that concept one step further and asked a handful of local young people to do the storytelling themselves. The fresh voices that were in the spotlight at We Live Here’s well-attended house party on Nov. 27 are also the focus of this week’s new episode of the podcast.

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STLPR's Tim Lloyd and Chad Davis talk up this week's episode of 'We Live Here'

St. Louis on the Air

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2018 16:10

The latest episode of the podcast takes a close look at recent changes in St. Louis' Grove neighborhood.

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'We Live Here' hosts discuss latest episode 'Nuisance, or Nonsense?'

St. Louis on the Air

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 12, 2018 7:29

STLPR co-hosts/co-producers Kameel Stanley and Tim Lloyd discuss the latest episode of 'We Live Here,' about the story of a woman who called the police too many times and was evicted from her Maplewood home because of it.

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‘We Live Here’: Missouri Supreme Court reaches decision on Latasha Johnson’s tenants’ rights case

St. Louis on the Air

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2018 6:33

"We Live Here" producer/host Tim Lloyd provides an update on the Missouri Supreme Court's ruling in favor of Latasha Johnson's landlord.

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Latest ‘We Live Here’ episode puts spotlight on habitability, eviction issues affecting local renters

St. Louis on the Air

Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2018 11:18

On Thursday’s St. Louis on the Air, host Don Marsh talked with We Live Here co-host/producer Tim Lloyd about legal issues that are especially relevant for renters on a local level and how several attorneys are working on their behalf to try and change things.

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Award-winning podcast 'We Live Here' debuts fourth season, focuses on housing

St. Louis on the Air

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2018 16:18

Host Don Marsh spoke with "We Live Here" co-hosts Tim Lloyd and Kameel Stanley about the debut of the podcast's fourth season.

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Episode 121: Tim Lloyd Talks Anti-Money Laundering and ICO Regulation

Crypto Token Talk

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 19, 2018 33:53

Tim Lloyd is a crypto journalist, Anti-Money Laundering (AML) expert, and CEO of Rogue Capital Media, a content marketing consulting firm with a core focus on Fintech.Tim joins Kelley for an in-depth, technical discussion focusing on ICOs and regulations in the crypto space. A previous knowledge of ICOs would be a good thing before listening to this episode, so if you’re a beginner, you may wish to check out some of our previous episodes first!AML is an extremely important element to financial services compliance. It ensures criminals are unable to bring illicit proceeds into the legitimate financial system. With the new and rapidly changing crypto space, digital technology and old-school financial crime can blend, but regulators are trying to keep up. Tim explains how ICO crowdfunding works, the favorable jurisdictions that ICOs are gravitating towards, securities law, regulatory attitudes of different countries, and more. Whether you’re considering launching an ICO or would like to invest in one, you’ll find this episode full of valuable content. Show highlights: - How much bitcoin and crypto use is linked to crime? - How crowdfunding and raising capital through an ICO works.- The skyrocketing amount of money being raised through ICOs and the challenges that come with it.- Characteristics of favorable jurisdictions for launching ICOs.- Global regulatory attitudes towards crypto & ICOs.- Things to know whether you’re thinking about launching an ICO or investing in one.- Challenges keeping up with such a rapidly expanding space.Links:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timoalloyd/ https://cryptovalley.swiss/codeofconduct/ http://novumcoin.com/https://www.technologyreview.com/

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Laura Veirs On A Musical Motherhood

The Big Listen

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2018 50:22

Singer/songwriter Laura Veirs talks to other musicians about how they balance work with parenthood, Annie Gilbertson investigates an officer involved in multiple shootings in Repeat, and Kameel Stanley and Tim Lloyd remind St Louis, "We Live Here!"

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Progress ... for who?

We Live Here

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 19, 2016 34:31

The relocation of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency to north St. Louis has been heralded as a big win for the region. But it also meant relocating some 200 residents. St. Louis Public Radio’s business reporter Maria Altman has been covering the NGA relocation for months. As we resume the second season of We Live Here… Maria joins co-hosts Kameel Stanley and Tim Lloyd to take a closer look at what is being lost in the name of progress.

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Episode 2: The January 9th Road Trip Show with Tim

One On Wanderers

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2016 59:01

In the second episode of 'One On Wanderers' Andrew McDonald talks with fellow WSW member Tim Lloyd. Tim offers some insights into what it was like to be a fan of the Wollongong Wolves in the NSL era, personal experiences of bush football out west of the Great Divide, and tackles both the Speedy Seven and the Wanderers Trivia Challenge.Please feel free to contact 'One on Wanderers' with your feedback, thoughts, questions or ideas via our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/OneOnWanderers) or Twitter (@OneOnWanderers). You can also subscribe to 'One on Wanderers' via iTunes at https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/one-on-wanderers/id1071715009

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Taking stock at a tumultuous time for the University of Missouri system

Politically Speaking

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2015 42:02

On a special edition of the Politically Speaking podcast, St. Louis Public Radio reporters Jason Rosenbaum, Tim Lloyd and Kameel Stanley welcomed three journalists from Columbia-based KBIA to take stock of a series of events that rocked the University of Missouri system.

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Sen. Walsh on 'right to work' and fallout from the Ferguson unrest

Politically Speaking

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2015 48:45

On the latest edition of Politically Speaking, St. Louis Public Radio's Jason Rosenbaum and Tim Lloyd welcome state Sen. Gina Walsh, D-Bellefontaine Neighbors, to the program for the second time. She represents the 13th District, a north St. Louis County area that encompasses portions of Ferguson and Dellwood. Walsh spent nearly three decades as part of the Heat and Frost Insulators and Allied Workers Local #1, and she's currently the president of the Missouri State Building & Construction Trades Council.

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Assessor Zimmerman on being an 'umpire' and his attorney general bid

Politically Speaking

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2015 36:28

On this week's edition of Politically Speaking, St. Louis Public Radio's Jason Rosenbaum, Jo Mannies and Tim Lloyd welcome St. Louis County Assessor Jake Zimmerman to the show.

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Ep 15 George Lamb’s Don’t Call It a Comeback with Rick Edwards (and Marc).

Medium Brow

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2014 43:26

EPISODE QUINDICI…..THE REALLY REALLY WILD SHOW……Its an insect special! You asked we delivered! We are all buzzing on this one! Adam Heart..the galaxies foremost expert on dragonflies and ants calls in to talk us through this monster dragonfly thats been in the news! Rick Edwards has bailed out to Marbella but he couldn't help giving us a bell…loves it. Tim Lloyd the owner of Blackpool zoo (kind of) tells us about albino snakes etc….you get the drift! They call it murdahh…A'afwan x See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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The role of digital in policy making - Sarah Tyrrell, Focus on Enforcement

BISChannel

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2012 1:58

Sarah tells Tim Lloyd, head of digital communications, about the benefits and experiences so far, of applying digital tools to policy making. http://discuss.bis.gov.uk/focusonenforcement/

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A Man of Faith and Science: Pope Benedict XIV

Hold That Thought

Play Episode Listen Later May 18, 2012 17:29

Learn about this compelling and startlingly modern Pope of the Italian Enlightenment. Created by Tim Lloyd for Hold That Thought, a production of Arts & Sciences at Washington University in St. Louis.

Metamuse

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 1, 1970

Discuss this episode in the Muse community Follow @MuseAppHQ on Twitter Show notes 00:00:00 - Speaker 1: This ends up becoming a question about file standards more than it does about application functionality. I can take a notion document and fairly easily translate that into a text file, a very linear document format. There’s currently not really a file format for spatial canvas. Right now there’s just not a good way for Muse to talk to another spatial canvas app. 00:00:30 - Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Meta Muse. Muse is a tool for deep work on iPad and Mac, but this podcast isn’t about Muse the product, it’s about the small team and the big ideas behind it. I’m Adam Wiggins here with my colleague Mark McGrenigan. 00:00:45 - Speaker 2: Hey, Adam, and another colleague, Adam Wulf. 00:00:48 - Speaker 1: Hey everyone. 00:00:49 - Speaker 2: And Wulf, I understand you recently spent some time in prison. 00:00:53 - Speaker 1: That’s true, and it’s so good to be out with everyone again. I, of course, was not technically in prison, well, I guess I was. I volunteer with a program called the Prison Entrepreneurship Program. They actually help felons who are near release go through and kind of 3 month entrepreneurship school. They do character development and then learn about starting their own business, and really help them get their feet under their ground again, find their sea legs when they get released. So they do a lot with employment. And housing and support, and a lot of education on the inside of the walls, and a lot of support on the outside of the walls and family reunification, and it’s really just a wonderful program that helps. Inmates helps their families, and ends up helping society. And so the, the big number that matters is national recidivism, which is the number of people who get released from prison and go back into prison, is extremely high. It’s somewhere around like 40 or 50% end up going back into prison. And graduates of this program, it’s as low as like 5 or 7%, and so it just has a dramatic effect for these men and for their families. And so it’s been really fun to volunteer with the past. Gosh, probably 5 years, something like that. So, yeah, if anyone ever wants to be locked in prison with me, then give me a shout out. We’ll make it happen. 00:02:18 - Speaker 2: Sounds like a really worthy program. Well, we’ll link them in the show notes. I’m definitely a believer that how a society treats the people that need to be removed for sort of justice reasons and what you do when they’ve, you know, fulfilled their debt to society, as the saying goes, and how you make a transition back to normal life says a lot about it. It seems like a really great program you’re involved in there. So we can jump straight into our topic today, which is listener questions. This is our second mailbag episode. Mark, you and I did one year and change back, and I think it was quite a lot of fun to go through all the questions people submitted. And now feels like a good time to me just because we’re 2 months or so out from the launch of our 2.0 product and the dust is still settling, but in many ways we spent a lot of the last two months just answering questions through all channels Twitter. Hacker news, but most especially through our support channel, that’s hello@museapp.com and the in-app thing. So we’re in a question answering mood and we have a lot of common questions that we thought would be good to kind of address on air as well as we put out a call on Twitter for folks to submit questions. We’ve got lots of really interesting ones, more than we’ll have time to answer, so we’ll do our best to get to as many of them as we can. You fellows ready? Let’s do it. Yeah. So I guess we’ll start with roadmap just because that tends to be the biggest or most numerous questions are in that category, what features we building and when, but we can go from there and how people use Muse or how we use Muse, things about the broader ecosystem, tools for thought, as well as more even broader than that, some things about how our team works and even some things about Ink & Switch. So the nuts and bolts of roadmap doesn’t work for you. You can jump forward a little bit and things will get more far ranging. But yeah, starting at the beginning here, so I think a broad question many people ask, but here I’ll quote from Penny Chase who basically just said, I’d like a glimpse into the Muse roadmap, and we answered that question mark, I think a year, year and a half ago, and I think it included, you know, going local for sync and going multi-device and having desktop apps. So check, has that roadmap changed other than what we’ve accomplished since then. 00:04:30 - Speaker 3: Well, the good news is that with this launch, I think we’ve got a lot of validation on the direction that we’ve been going since day one, really, which is this idea of a tool for helping you have better ideas that spans your iPad, Mac, iPhone, eventually the web, and is very rich. And what we’ve heard from our users, I think, is, yes, and let’s see the rest of it. And just to give a few buckets there, I think one building on the local first sync, you have the phone, that’s a pretty obvious gap for us right now, a more complete phone app, both in terms of making the phone a better tool for getting things into and out of your corpus, and also being able to look up stuff on the go. You can also see something with the web, sharing on the web or even a full blown web client. and also building on sync. We talked during our tech episode how that’s really the foundation for collaboration, both synchronous and asynchronous, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we see something there. And then back in the what we call like app features, there’s some pretty standard stuff that I think we’re missing. Better search, linking, these are things that people ask for very often. Another one I would say is more rich tech support. That’s a really foundational content site, and I could see other content types like videos and better support for free ride web pages and so on. And then there’s a few more things I think we need in terms of like organizing and managing your content, stuff like non-spatial collections we’ve had on our list for a long time, a better inbox, which might be a variant of that. But those are, I think the main buckets on the horizon and then I still have on my medium to long term was this idea of end user programming or like scriptability, programmability more generally. I think that’s incredibly powerful and we have a really compelling foundation for that. I think we need a little bit more on the core app first. 00:06:11 - Speaker 2: Yeah, one way I’ve summarized it to myself and others is Muse 1 was a multimedia thinking canvas for iPad only. Muse 2 goes multi-device. We’ve got the desktop and iPad, the local first syncing between them, phone, I think is going to be part of the 2. X series, at least that’s my hope, kind of it’s part of that vision. It’s everywhere you need it, and then Muse 3 is where you get into the sharing collaboration, making it more than. It will always be first and foremost a personal tool as something that is better connected to the outside world, both other humans, but also other tools through integrations and things like that. And then yeah, maybe the end user programming feels like the, I don’t know if that’s Muse 4 or just kind of the finishing move that ties it all together. 00:06:58 - Speaker 1: In some ways I see use one as use the teenager and Muse 2 as used the college graduate, and now we have all of the education and skills and life foundation to be able to bring Muse to this great career beyond in collaboration and teams and end user programming and text formatting and we finally entered adulthood, I think, ready to go out into the workforce and make a difference in the world? 00:07:23 - Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now on some specific features folks have asked about, a big one here is Zoom, being able to zoom in closer on some things, usually images or PDFs, and being able to zoom out further, especially boards as your boards get bigger and more complex, and a representative tweet on this is from our friend Marsen Igna, who says, where can I read more about why Muse has no zoom out for bird’s eye view of my board? Yeah, it clashes with the navigation gesture, but I’d love to work at 50 to 75% zoom. 00:08:01 - Speaker 1: When I think of Zoom, I think of solving at least two different problems. The first problem is on a very large board, I want to zoom out and still be able to work and move selections around to kind of reorganize a very large desk or very large workspace. The second problem is I’m working on a very large board, and I want to quickly jump to a different location. Scrolling is currently just kind of wandering around in the wild, and I’d really like to be able to see a map and quickly go from the bottom left to the top right or the top middle. So I think whenever we do build Zoom, we need to think about it in that kind of context of which problem are we trying to solve? Do we find a solution that maybe can solve both problems? It’s not obvious to me which of those is the most important to start with, or the right lens to look at the feature through. 00:08:55 - Speaker 3: Yeah, Zoom is a very subtle challenge in Muse, just mechanically speaking, say you want to zoom out, OK, you pinch to zoom out on a board. How do we know that that’s different from wanting to zoom out to the next level up? That’s a problem we can solve, right? And you can have a quasi mode to toggle between the two, or you can have a detent in there somewhere or something. It’s just it’s quite subtle. Another challenge with Zoom that we’ve known about since our research in the lab is with these freeform canvases, especially if you have Zoom and especially if you have infiniteness, you have this real risk of becoming lost. Like you’re looking at this solid off-white thing and it looks the same regardless of where you are and how far you are zoomed in, and people just get totally discombobulated. And so we’re trying to push back against that a little bit. And this isn’t just a challenge for boards. We’ve also got a lot of requests for zooming into PDFs and images. So there’s a lot of stuff going on. You got zoom in, you got zoom out, you got navigation versus the document, you got different from document types, got temporary versus permanent. There’s a lot of stuff to figure out. So the answer is we just gotta sit down and do it. I think it’s very doable. It’s gonna take some time and some design work, and maybe some cutting of the Gordian not as Adam would say, you know, just get the 80% in there. I think we’ll get it done eventually. 00:10:05 - Speaker 2: We actually even discussed that as a potential thing to work on post launch. We were looking for things that would be more smaller projects, quick wins, crowd pleasers, just things to refresh our palettes after working so long on this big massive release with big data migration and so on. And actually the conclusion we came to is it was too big of a project because we do want to think about all that stuff holistically and even if we do just carve off a small piece of it to do first, just doing a kind of boring and obvious way to do it like there’s a zoom level drop down or something like that we think will quickly create the problems that I think make a lot of other software not that enjoyable to use, which is disorientation and so on, and it’s particularly bad in the infinite canvas setting, but yeah, we need it, we badly need it as people’s boards get more sophisticated, as people are bringing in more different types of PDFs and images as they just want to do more things. Yeah, you need the ability to zoom and we’ll solve that hopefully much sooner than later. 00:11:03 - Speaker 1: I think Zoom is also related to accessibility and potentially text size and text formatting, which we’ll talk about in a little bit. But tech sizes for some users can feel a bit small in use, and being able to zoom into a board or into an image in PDF mark, as you mentioned, is also related in some ways to allowing for custom text sizes or larger headers or text formatting, just generally being able to. See content no matter what your screen size happens to be, if you’re on a small iPad or a large iPad or a big screen. 00:11:37 - Speaker 3: Yeah, then we’re getting into the real Pandora’s box on the implementation side of when do you rasterize this content. If you only have one zoom level, you have a lot of flexibility and kind of do it whenever you want. But if you’re zooming all over the place, you either need to rasterize later or essentially suffer the effects of rescaling, so it’s quite gnarly. 00:11:55 - Speaker 2: A related one that’s challenging technically is dark mode. Again, another one we’ve gotten many, many requests for over the. Well, years now, and one of my favorite stories actually, actually one of the best ways to ask for features is to tell a story, as we would say in our podcast episode about storytelling, attaching something to a story makes it much more memorable. So one story I remember well was someone writing that they were on an international flight, you know, overnight flight, 10 hours, 12 hours or something, and they spent the whole session basically with Muse and they had a bunch of PDFs loaded up and deep reading and deep thinking, perfect opportunity for that, right? But they’re in this darkened cabin. They turn their screen brightness down, but it’s just still too bright and they’re kind of afraid of waking the other passengers and so on. 00:12:44 - Speaker 2: Oh, that’s such a vivid image just blasting the cabins, but many folks have asked for it for similar reasons or just because they like dark mode. But because we have the zooming interface that uses what we call internally snapshots, which are basically those thumbnails you see of the boards that give you this, you have this scaling transition, this sense of seamless zoom and traveling around in this kind of open world where you’re never loading a document or what have you, and that’s very nice, but the snapshot rendering. actually pretty CPU intensive. You see this also, if you log in to a new device like an iPad with an account that has a lot of data in it and it downloads it all, the downloading it may take a while, but then generating all the snapshots actually will also cause your device to be pretty busy for a while if you have a lot of boards and deeply nested boards and so on. And so dark mode has the problem that, OK, now we basically need to generate new snapshots for every single board and do we keep both of them all, you know, do we make two all the time and slow down every regeneration every time you change something for a feature that maybe most people won’t ever use. Or is it when you switch modes, do we turn on the regeneration and suddenly your iPad is heating up and you grinding the CPU for 5 minutes while it tries to re-render everything and maybe you just want to check it quickly and then you switch it back and now it’s grinding again for another 5 minutes, so totally solvable, but I guess it’s, as with many things because we have this unique zooming interface and nested boards, that’s something that sets me apart, makes it unique and pretty special to my mind. But it also can make what seem like basic features much harder. 00:14:17 - Speaker 1: I use Zoho mail for my male client and their dark mode. It was an interesting choice because they need to be able to support dark mode for attachments that anyone can send and so it’s not only their own interface, but they’re trying to create a dark mode for the content of the email itself and what they settled on was for those attachments to literally invert the colors, which was functional but a bit jarring. 00:14:51 - Speaker 2: When greens turn into purples and everything else, and so there’s er colors can be really funky, especially like a picture of a face, for example. 00:14:56 - Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, yeah, photos or anything else, and so I’m not sure what their heuristic was for when to invert the image and when to lead the image in plain color. There were certainly some surprises when I first turned that on. 00:15:12 - Speaker 2: Another frequent request is search. A representative question here was asked by Josh Job, who asks, Are there plans for search inside the app, i.e., text? I worry I won’t be able to find anything if I can’t search the contents of blocks if I go big on muse. 00:15:28 - Speaker 1: I look at search As a navigation feature, almost more than anything else. Back in the very olden days of the internet, there was the Yahoo directory, and you just manually search down into homeownership, lawn care, to find the nearest nursery to get some plants, whereas now you just go to Google and you say find me cheap plants. I think the same thing for M where a lot of navigation is pinch in, pitch out, pinch in, pinch out, trying to find. Where you want to go and muse and search. Has this ability to jump very quickly from one side of your tree to the other side of your tree and back, and Supporting the content, both PDF content, text block content, and really making as rich of a search as possible. I think it is really gonna open up new workflows inside of Muse, and something I’m particularly excited about. 00:16:26 - Speaker 3: Yeah, I would emphasize that I think search is really important for navigation as well as the more obvious use case of finding stuff, especially on the desktop where you have a keyboard. So if I want to go to my to do list and muse, it should be like command PTO enter all in one flow, 100 milliseconds or so and I’m there. And by the way, search should be. Much faster and better in use because of local first data. A huge issue that you have with search on most apps, traditional SAS apps that they got to go to whatever Virginia and, you know, query the database and then come back. And then when you load the actual page, you gotta go all the way back again and get the data. This should all be able to happen locally within a few tens of milliseconds. So there’s really no excuse for searching out to be awesome and you just need to spend a little bit of time on it. 00:17:10 - Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely slop that one as it’s important, we definitely want it. Everyone asks for it. Now it’s a matter of when does it, you know, when does it bubble up on the priority list of all the stuff we want to do. I will go ahead and reference something you and I have talked about before, Mark, just because it was, I think pretty foundational. We started Us, which is a book called The Science of Managing Our Digital Stuff where they do a pretty thorough academic survey of basically how people use computers over the last 20 to 30 years. And looking at files and search through things like Google and searching on your local computer and so forth, and there’s a lot of predictions of either tagging or search or other things kind of killing the file system and well if you kind of maybe hinted in that direction, which is we don’t need a Yahoo style directory of the internet anymore because we have Google. But I think the total sum of human knowledge of Google or Wikipedia or something is a little bit in a different category from my own stuff and spatial navigation and particularly the sense that things live in a place. This was one of the takeaways from the research in that book as well, which was things like symbolic links, for example, outside of file references where you basically can have a pointer. To file in multiple places, the vast majority of even relatively power users didn’t use these or didn’t use them much because it actually is very powerful for our brains, spatial memory to say I know where this lives. It’s 3 folders deep. I get to it from here. And certainly I think that can be heavily supplemented by things like search or tagging or other ways to get at your data and providing more approaches is good, but we felt like the foundation of the spatial navigation is actually going back to something that has proven to just work incredibly well for personal data sets. 00:19:02 - Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think the main use case of search is going to be, I basically know this thing exists and probably even know where it is. I just don’t want to traverse the whole mind palace. I want to teleport with my search command right to where I know what it is. There will be some cases where you are actually doing a legit keyword search and just I’m not sure what, if anything, you have in your corpus about that. Yeah, the navigation is really important. 00:19:26 - Speaker 1: Using search to jump into a document, feels very natural to me, and I’m switching context and starting a new task, and then once I’m in that task, I think it’s more natural, uh, Wiggins, as you mentioned, to walk around the mine palace and just pinch in, pinch out and stay in that context because A search result in jumping through search feels very jarring sometimes to switch context so suddenly inside of the app, and I don’t know, we’ll leave it there because it’s not fully baked in my mind. 00:20:03 - Speaker 3: I do think there’s a very interesting question around what is the flavor of search. The default way to do it is that search is a feature. It’s like this little box up in the corner and you type things and then a medium sized box appears with links and you click on a link and then you go back and tap. We’ve long had this idea, again, going all the way back to the lab. of search that’s more integrated into the flow and capabilities of the app. So just to give you an idea, you can imagine, I’m not promising to do this, but you can imagine you have a search view, which is like a card and can be saved and persisted and moved and shared and resized within your corpus. It’s like a magic card. You type in the top of the card, and as you’re typing, the view changes to present different subsets of your corpus, which you can then teleport through to go to those rooms, if you will. But then you can do stuff like save this search, you know, I want to save all my long chair references on a card so I can go back to them later. That’s pretty cool. And you can also start to imagine. All the things you’re building around search, like the results for you as being a capability that’s general to the rest of the app. Things like seeing a view over your data is something you want elsewhere. So for example, we’ve talked about the idea of an archive. That should just be like a different view. It’s like search is the lead equals true and you might have some sugar in the app around that to make it easier and more standard to access that. But I like the idea of searches as building powerful generalized views versus a very specialized feature and wanting to get that right is I think why we’ve Delete a little bit on implementing it. 00:21:36 - Speaker 2: Daniel Rivera writes, uses my new go to for brainstorming, love how simple it is for quick ideas and sketches on the iPad, but I do wish it had inking for desktop. Is that coming? 00:21:48 - Speaker 1: I would love for it too. There’s no technical reason we can’t have ink on the desktop. All the code is obviously shared between the iPad and the Mac. I think the big question is, what does that input mechanism look like? Is there a way to Use the trackpad for ink input. Is that something where the the mouse is generally very bad at organic ink lettering if it’s anything beyond just a simple line or a simple arrow. Another thing we’ve talked about is using Wacom tablets and stylus tablets that I think could be very promising, but is obviously fairly niche use case for a subset of users, but I think it would be a very powerful way to bring ink into the Mac. 00:22:36 - Speaker 2: You know, one interesting thing is we already support that, not kind of on purpose, but we’ve had a number of folks write in to say, hey, I see that I can ink on Mac with my Wacom tablet, but I can’t, I don’t know what, get out the inkwer or you know, it’s sort of like partial because it just so happens that the input events that it sends is the same as the Apple pencil and we respond to that. So we’ve done nothing explicit to support it and it’s kind of doesn’t work great. You could imagine if we had a lot of demand there, we would put the effort in to make that work. Yeah I agree drawing with a mouse is just the worst freeform drawing even with a trackpad. What I do think we might want is first of all, just highlighting, which could be highlighting of text, highlighting of cards. Craft does a really great job at this. Just a very simple way to add colors. Colors can give you context or they just brighten up your document, which is nice. But I think you can also look at something like a diagramming tool where you’re drawing, say, arrows between elements or you’re making a connection between them like an OO. So I think those things would make sense on the desktop, the idea of just being able to kind of circle something or try to handwrite something really hard for me to imagine there’s anything we can do there that would have a feel that would be acceptable from our perspective. 00:23:50 - Speaker 1: I’m glad you brought up the mind mapping because that’s, I think the most common scenario for me on the Mac. is wanting to draw just a very quick line between two cards, or a very quick box around a couple of cards. It’s a feature Leonard has been experimenting with some various designs to start connecting cards and create a bit more of a mind map and I think there is a way that we can create some of these features in a mouse friendly and Mac friendly way. That’s also balanced with not trying to create too many tiny little features or expand Muse into a grab bag of a billion features. I think the simplicity of Muse is extremely important, and so balancing what each platform is able to do and what each platform is designed to do, is a very delicate balance between supporting literally every use case on every platform. And optimizing for specific use cases on specific platforms. 00:24:46 - Speaker 2: If it starts to feel like a technical drawing tool with a huge toolbar and lots of options, and let’s see, I just want to draw an arrow between two things. Do I use the loose, you know, wire-like connection? Do I use the structured arrow? Do I use ink and draw an actual arrow? And if you find yourself making choices like that in the moment, I think that’s really gets in the way of your thinking process. So yeah, it has to be balanced against our kind of overall mission and design values. 00:25:15 - Speaker 3: Also part of the thinking here is about inking on the desktop as in Mac and inking on the desktop as in your office desk. And part of the original idea with Muse was that you have these different complimentary devices, and they’re not only used at disjoint times, you might actually use them at the same time. I was actually just rummaging in my archives from like 5 years ago yesterday, and I was looking at one of the original presentations I did about what would eventually become used, and we had this idea of you have A desktop like a Mac, and then right in front of you, basically where your keyboard is, you have an iPad and you’re using your Mac for the big heads up display and seeing all these PDFs and so on. And then when you want to do a little drawing that you insert into your presentation, for example, you just draw that on your iPad because that’s the device that’s better for that. So, that’s not to say we shouldn’t have some sort of inking capability in the map, but I would also just point out that there’s this possibility of running two devices at the same time. We might need to add a little bit more kind of smoothness to make that even better, but that’s a possibility as well. 00:26:17 - Speaker 2: I do that with some frequency, actually, I’ll kind of convert my desk chair from the sitting upright mode, good posture, you know, 90 degree knees, feet flat on the ground, which I’ll use when I’m typing and using the mouse, and I’ll kind of convert it to the leaning way back mode, stick my feet up on the desk and have kind of my iPad and my pencil in my lap, but I still have muse up on the big monitor. I can see it live updating as I’m going and often see a bigger view, just have a much bigger monitor of the board I’m moving around. But yeah, if we wanted to put more effort into supporting that simultaneous use case, one for me that would take a lot of friction out would be having the iPad be on the same, you know, when I open it, it’s on the same board that my desktop is on, but maybe not everyone wants that feature. Maybe you actually want to keep them on different ones, so I don’t know that would need some thought. 00:27:05 - Speaker 3: Well, maybe you should be able to make a search card that’s recently seen boards and put that in your inbox. 00:27:12 - Speaker 2: Smart. So another category of feature request is web sharing, and we’ve got a few examples here, including InterPlato ask or board shareable and navigable on the web with a shared link, and then Nikita, who asks, I wish to have notion like level of control on which canvas and which depth I want to share a link. My biggest barrier to using Muse is that I want to share my research as I do it. 00:27:37 - Speaker 1: This is something we’ve experimented with pre-sync that was very useful for a number of users, and I think post-sync we’re finally in a place where we can start thinking about this again. One of the limits in the presync era was the web share was fully static, and there was just no ability for anyone reading it to add comments or certainly to add content, whereas now post-sync. We can imagine a web viewer that is a full client of Muse that is able to interact with and sync content back up into your corpus, and so you can share feedback, get comments and content from your team, and have that go straight back into your muse. And so I think that’s a powerful team and collaboration feature that we’re certainly thinking about that sync has finally given us the foundation to support. 00:28:32 - Speaker 2: I’ll note from that earlier very brief beta test we did where we just gave it to a few folks, the ability to kind of share a pretty static, basically they kind of dumped your muse board to Kind of like static image, static HTML page was not the lack of interactivity or not even being able to add comments, but actually just that it wasn’t live. So I think one of the things we get with the modern web conception of real-time collaboration, Google Docs, figMotion, etc. is that a URL becomes a place where you know you’re always seeing the latest version of something. So we do quite a bit of news board sharing internally. And actually a lot of times folks send us news boards either as, you know, PNG exports or full board bundles with feedback on the app or other comments, which we love. So it’s a great format for sharing work in progress and thinking with your colleagues, but it never fails, right? You go to share it, you know, I’ll just post it in a slack as an upload, which is a little clunky, but whatever, and then I realized I need to change three things that I left out or that are wrong. And I’m going back and deleting it from Slack and hoping that, you know, no one’s downloaded it yet and uploading it again, and this of course the whole world of email file attachments and finalfin2. doc and so on. So I think to me that’s why we kind of sunsetted that little experiment, the early shared web experiment, but now we do have the technology foundation for a live, even if it’s completely static, all you can do is navigate through it and maybe copy paste stuff in and out. If it’s live updating and you know you’re looking at the latest version, that is a game changer. Alright, so one last roadmap question here is about linking hyperlink or wiki or Rome style linking. So one example of someone who asked us is Robert Haysfield, who says any plans on enabling users to place the same board in multiple boards? I struggled before trying to use Muse because I don’t know, hierarchical organization without an ability to bridge trees makes it difficult for me to find things and pick up where I left off. So I think for sure linking you know Ted Nelson’s excellent branding with hyperlinking in the web is obviously hugely empowering. We saw it in wikis. I think Notion is the modern version of a team wiki and then Rome with its kind of invented the category of, personal knowledge graphs, back linking. Now there’s a whole profusion of apps that do this really, really well, often with the double bracket kind of linking format. And yeah, I’m happy to say on that one, we’re actually working on it right now. So for those of you who are prom members, keep an eye on your backstage pass, some goodies coming up there soon. 00:31:04 - Speaker 1: The Backstage pass on this one is gonna be a really helpful piece of feedback for us to hear from customers what they think of this linking feature, cause there’s a few different ways we’ve looked at building it. I know Yuli and Leonard are taking the lead on this, and It’s a lot more complicated than just, oh, put a link down, you click it and you go. There’s a lot of nuance in how those links are presented and How the content appears in a link and in a backlink, particularly because, at least for me, a lot of my boards don’t have titles. That’s probably a personal failure of myself, but linking to something that does not have a title, there’s not much metadata there, and so, showing a piece of the board you’re linking into is important, but then it gets a little confusing because it looks like a normal card, and so how do you tell the difference between a linked card and a normal unlinked card that’s not a mirror. So there’s a lot of nuance and kind of how these things are displayed and so the Feedback we get from customers in the Backstage Pass is really gonna help us to iron out all of those little details to make sure that this is not only as powerful as the linking features we all expect, but really fits within the music universe and fits within all of the rest of our content in a tidy way. 00:32:25 - Speaker 2: So another big category of questions is using Muse, and this is a place I feel we’ve underinvested, which is that you can’t get a lot of information beyond the mechanics of how to use the app, but in terms of how people use it, and we have some projects in the works on that to try to better showcase what people’s boards look like and what the different kinds of uses you might use muse for and what things Muse is not a good fit for, but a few questions here that folks raised. The first one is from Alex Antozek. Who says, how often do you guys use Muse for non-muse related work? 00:33:02 - Speaker 1: Most recently, I started using Muse for custom keyboard organization. So I’ve entered the rabbit hole of mechanical keyboards and building your own keyboards. I’ve recently come up for air, and I’m just using my regular laptop keyboard, but I think I’m gonna fall back down and fight the dragon again soon. But Muse has been very, very helpful because there’s 1000 parts and there’s 1000 versions of each part, and Linking to a random Amazon link just does not give enough context for what it is that I’m actually looking at. And so Muse has been very helpful. I can put it in a photo, a short description, a link, and some context about each of the different parts and each of the different steps of construction. So using Muse to organize all of those different parts and be able to physically see photos of them next to the link next to the description has been a really helpful way to map out that rabbit trail that I have found myself getting lost in. 00:34:02 - Speaker 2: You’re just looking over my current news home board, I think it’s about a 50/50 split, kind of depends on what big personal projects I have going on. You know, on the work side I have things like a little editorial calendar for the podcast, upcoming guests and things. We’ve got the chapter plan board that basically Leonard led the planning session and produced the shared board. I’d like to be able to go back and reference that things about Twitter, I draft all our shareholder updates there. I have a whole board that’s not news related, but it’s kind of career related, which is I which held a lovely un conference recently, and I have a bunch of notes from all the talks there and so on. Then on the personal side, I have things like, I don’t know, the Kita, that is to say the kindergarten daycare that my daughter attends, you know, they sent out a PDF that’s, here’s the days we’re off this summer, and you know, in some cases I excerpt out the like coming up month, especially when it’s a critical, OK, we’ve got the summer holiday, and how does that match up to our summer holiday and this sort of thing. But also holiday planning for sure. I mean, travel planning. It is, you know, in some ways a fairly basic use case, but it’s really helpful though you have pictures and maps and PDFs of tickets and it’s all in one place. I do personal journaling, you know, just classic daily pages, sit down and write out what’s on your mind in the morning. And then bigger projects, for example, when I was searching for a home a couple of years ago and eventually made a home purchase, but that is a place where the sharing and collaboration capabilities would be a big help because there I was doing it with someone else, my partner, and so I kind of have my personal world that’s inside Muse, but at some point we need to share and I can’t really share it directly with her, so then we kind of have some stuff stuck in an ocean or a Google doc somewhere, but that’s really awkward. So, yeah, when I have a bigger project, something like that, home improvement, yeah, personal hobbies, that sort of thing, that tends to occupy a big portion of my home board. 00:35:57 - Speaker 3: Yeah, I also really like Muse for personal projects, and one of my favorite pieces of it is that you can use it from the very beginning, where you’re just literally sketching out, you’re jotting down ideas, you’re taking little scribbling notes, and that board can evolve over time as you add text and PDFs and web links and images, and that rich multimedia is so important for these projects I find I can’t imagine going back to a world with just one content type. I also use Muse just for my to do list, that’s probably my heaviest use case. I’m in there every day, and that’s mostly just text, but it’s not all texts, you know, every once in a while there’s like, whatever, you gotta call the plumber, so you put the link for the plumber’s page on your to do list or what have you. And also just like that it’s two dimensional so that you don’t just have one. Huge multi-page linear list, which is, I don’t know demoralizing for me. So I have on the top left, it’s like today’s most important stuff, and then way off on the right side is, you know, longer term stuff, and you can just kind of move stuff in two dimensions. So, I like it for that. I also use Muse as my reading buffer. So for links and PDFs, I have a big per month reading board, and I kind of queue up stuff there and then maybe once on the weekend, I go and read it all and then archive that board and go back next month and so on. 00:37:08 - Speaker 2: Mm. One I’ve seen from a number of customers is making a daily reading board where it’s actually a link or a PDF and some notes or thoughts that was generated by that. It could even just be like a half a sentence scribble, nothing too complex or this made me think of this other thing, or here’s a tweet that’s connected to this, and they just make one per day and it just scrolls vertically or horizontally, and then they just like kind of accumulate these over time. And it’s a way to synthesize ideas and get more out of what you read and pull together the sparks of inspiration that you’re getting from consuming the information hot fire hose. So when we’ve heard frequently and I think we even addressed this in the last listener questions episode, but maybe it’s worth touching on here is basically about the home board and how you structure things or organize things there without explicit work workspaces. So a lot of apps, notion, craft, even Apple Notes or something like that will have kind of top level workspaces where you say, here’s my daily notes, and here’s my to do’s and here’s my stuff for work, and here’s my home. Improvement projects and you kind of bucket things that way and they find it surprising maybe that you have the top level home board, it’s just like any other board, it’s a free form thing you can put stuff however you want. You can make neatly organized, you can scroll vertically, stroll horizontally, scroll both ways, you can have a lot of stuff, a little stuff, it’s like completely up to you. What’s our answer on that one? 00:38:39 - Speaker 3: So in terms of home organization, I tend to have two dimensions going on. The first dimension is more obvious, which is, it tends to be organized by projects, ish or domain. But there’s also an organization along the dimension of like recency or proximity to the cash. It’s like the things that I’m currently and actively working on. So what I end up having is I have a few boards, both work and personal, that I’m very actively working on. And then I have a few more like archival boards that are more defined in terms of the domain. So I might have a board for my today’s to do list and a board for today’s reading, and a board for whatever my personal project is for this week. And then I have my muse board and my personal board, and I might even have, if I’m just a little bit discombobulate that day, I might even have just a few things blasted on the top level, like here’s a PDF that I want to read, and here’s a, you know, repro case from a youth book I’m working on. And what happens is things filter down through this cache hierarchy over time. And this is a good example of how we didn’t want to have too prescriptive a setup in terms of workspaces. Like if we just said you have to divide your corpus into workspaces, it wouldn’t work for having the second dimension of the cash hierarchy. Also just kind of go into the philosophy of why we don’t have a separate construct for workspaces. It’s kind of echoes the thing I was saying earlier about search cards, like we wanted you to have the full richness and power of muse to be able to organize your top level in the same way that you would be able to organize your individual boards. Like you have all these capabilities around, you know, freeform boards and inking and multimedia and different sizes. Like why should you have to throw that out the window just because it’s the top level? That seems exactly backwards. 00:40:16 - Speaker 2: I’m reminded of we talked about a very similar philosophical point with Pallo a couple episodes back where basically on sketch they originally had kind of an art board template editor that was a standalone thing but you quickly realized you wanted to do all the things to the templates that you wanted to do to a regular art board, so eventually they made it so you could just name an art board as a template and then whatever you do to that art board. Goes into the template and then you don’t need to make a duplicate editor but worse. And I think there’s something similar where if we’d make a top-level workspace, OK, you need to be able to move stuff, delete stuff, you probably want to duplicate things, and at some point you go, wait a minute, I want to just do all the same things I can do in my subboards. 00:41:00 - Speaker 3: Yeah, now in fairness to them, many, many users who keep requesting this, I don’t think it’s just that people don’t understand this possibility of generalized boards being used at the top level. I think there is some sense in which the current freeform spatial boards aren’t the best fit for some top level use cases. If logically, you just want to split your space into A, B, and C, and you want that to be Coherent regardless of what device you’re on or what size you’re looking at or whatever, or as you add and remove top level spaces that having to manually manage that on a spatial board isn’t exactly right. And this comes to the topic of spatial collections, which we’ve had on the radar for a long time. And you can imagine a spatial collection working as follows. You put end things into the non-spatial collection, it’s like a folder basically, and then Muse automatically sizes and arranges these objects as appropriate, sort of like math finder. You can imagine it it sizes and arranges them and lines them up or whatever in a nice way. And if we had that primitive, I think a lot of users would opt to use that at the top level where they’re currently asking for the separate workspaces feature. But importantly, such a non-spatial collection could also be used all over the place. For example, my reading board should probably be a non-spatial collection, it’s a little goofy to have to manually manage literally 100 PDFs on a board. Um, there’s kind of like weirdly overlapping in places and whatever. And also, by the way, coming back to our search discussion, that should probably just be. A view that dynamically produces a non-spatial collection. So this is another example of how you get the right primitives and they can apply in a lot of different places, including this top of workspace idea. 00:42:32 - Speaker 1: I think one thing that’s interesting about the way I’ve organized my home board is. I have all of the projects that I care about visible when I’m fully scrolled to the top left corner, and then the priority is based on kind of the size of the card, and so my personal card is fairly large for family and that sort of thing, work, I often go into that, that’s a larger board. Then I have lots of much smaller boards. But then I’m able to actually hide less important boards outside of the scroll visible area, which is nice because some of those boards are important, but they kind of stress me out because I just don’t want to think about that project right now. And when that project shows up, I think, oh my gosh, I haven’t finished that project, and my heart starts racing. 00:43:14 - Speaker 2: And so if I just hide it out of view, tuck it off camera, exactly. 00:43:16 - Speaker 1: It’s, you know, out of sight, out of mind. I don’t have very much object permanence for some of these projects that are a bit more discouraging that they’re still around. And so, that’s been another nice thing for me, it’s just a trick to be able to focus on certain projects that I can see, and then when I don’t want to focus on it anymore, I can put it physically out of my sight, but still very readily available, and so that’s a nice thing. 00:43:44 - Speaker 2: Yeah, you point to some interesting column folk behaviors there that now I realize I do, but up until you just described how you do it, I didn’t realize it’s something I do almost unconsciously, which is, yeah, the size and the position of the board reflects how roughly important it is or how large it’s looming in my consciousness and that as something is still kind of current, but maybe it’s in a monitoring state, I’ll tend to shrink it down a little bit and move it kind of down lower, it’s down more towards the bottom. And then eventually, once I decide it’s really not relevant to me anymore, then I’ll move it to a board called archive. And I think Mark you said you have her kind of project and category boards, I kind of just go to the Gmail route, which is archive everything. If I need to find it later, I’ll just scroll through all of it. Which I think brings us to another question on use use and also connects a bit to the roadmap, which is this one actually comes from our support channels. So since it was a private correspondence, I won’t name the person. I hope they’re all right with me quoting their words here since I think it’s representative of the common question. So they say, what is your recommendation for archival of old news boards? I find that currently my main board is getting clustered and I have a number of ideas that can be archived. I like to export the new board and add to Devonthink database for storage. Yeah, I sometimes do the same or I’ll periodically take my archive board when it gets kind of big and I think, OK, all this stuff is pretty old news now, just kind of historical interest and maybe I’ll just export it and save it on the Dropbox or iCloud or something. But I thought this one was interesting because a feature I’ve wanted from you is an archive button similar to what GitHub has this for repositories. Gmail obviously has it for email. There’s other examples, and I asked Leonard about this before we recorded just because I know it’s part of his vision for the user flow, and he basically says that he doesn’t think it’s useful to keep everything you ever have worked in in one giant space and sort of it’s nice to put something away when you’re done with it. Lets you focus on what’s currently important and you can think of it as kind of the muse home board is your desk is the stuff that’s active and current and important right now, but then there’s a longer term personal library, things that represent your knowledge work and thinking over the longer term, and so we may eventually have just, you know, a context menu option for archive, but then you can pull it up in some kind of a search or. A non-spatial collection or something like that, or maybe just automatically adds it to a board named archive, but it’s a sort of a nice way to decide you’re done with something and put it away, but no, you can still get to it when you want it, do the much more drastic act of deleting, which always just feels really wrong, especially for something you spent a lot of time thinking about and working on even if it’s not current anymore. What do you both think? How do you do your personal archival of boards and what do you think about potential features in that direction? 00:46:36 - Speaker 3: Well, there’s actually a lot going on with archiving, so there’s archiving in the sense of removing it from your desk, which I do through this cascading hierarchy ending in what are basically archive boards. There’s archiving in a sense of persisting the data in a file format that’s likely to be around and call it 1020, 30 years, which for me the only thing that I trust for that is like playing files on a Unix directory, so TXT, PDF, XML and JSON and so on. There’s archiving in the sense of like freeing up disk space, and there’s archiving in the sense of moving something into a third party knowledge management system. So the last one I don’t do, so I can’t really comment on it. In terms of persisting to stable file formats, I try to do that for all of my work. I basically cascade everything that I ever do into One of a half dozen file formats into a big directory called data, and I try really hard to never lose that directory, you know, I back it up in all kinds of different places and so on. That’s a nice forcing function. I do that occasionally with Muse, basically export to a muse bundle, call it, you know, Corpus-2022, whatever, month, day, and just save it and forget about it. 00:47:39 - Speaker 2: A quick note for our listeners here actually, because you’ve used the Corpus terminology, we use that internally to talk about a one person’s muse database, the collection of everything that’s in it. I think more publicly speaking we’ll typically say your muse, put something in your muse, but yeah, corpus is, I think it’s a Latin word for body, so it’s just the body of your knowledge, data, what have you. So we use that to differentiate from board or set of boards or a bundle export or one subset of data, but it represents one user’s complete. Yeah, use database. Now do muse bundles fulfill that kind of flat file format desire for you because they are zip files containing flat files? 00:48:21 - Speaker 3: Yeah, not completely ideal, but certainly if I ever needed to go back and get something, it’d be easy enough. 00:48:28 - Speaker 2: Certainly not as browsable as, for example, exporting everything to PDF or even images if you wanted to take the effort to work through the hierarchy and do an image of each board. 00:48:37 - Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can actually imagine a world where both for this persistent durable archiving and for integration with third party apps, you really lean on the scriptability and programmability. You could have a little bot that says, whenever I see a new PDF, send it to my PDF manager. That sounds awesome, but I don’t do anything like that myself yet, I see. 00:48:57 - Speaker 1: Whenever I want to archive something, I think that the ark has already hinted at this. I think the Muse bundle format is a really nice one because it’s a zip file, you get some JSON, you get all the attachments, and so you know you always have all of your data there, kind of no matter what, and very simple to open formats that are gonna survive for the next. 50 years, and I’ll generally save that right next to a PDF export, and so I can open up the PDF, look at everything. If I really want it back, I can import it into Muse. If I’m 85 years old inside of my robot body in the future, then I can just open up the zip file and look at things that way, and so I know that I’ve got the future safety of those archive formats. 00:49:43 - Speaker 3: This is a bit of an aside, but I read a fair amount of history and you always read about these historical figures, papers, and like, basically everything is in there for a lot of these folks, like their drafts and their correspondence and their bills and whatever. And I asked around a little bit like, how do we have all this? Like, how do we have all these papers? And the answer that I got was basically people had a big box and they just, whenever they wrote something, they put it in the box or a copy of it in the box. And it’s not super useful the day, month, or year after you do that. But it over a course of a lifetime, it builds up and it’s nice to have all one’s papers. I wish I had known this when I was younger, so I could start archiving it, but as of a few years ago, I started building this set of documents. So hopefully that accrues over time. 00:50:22 - Speaker 2: Yeah, I’ve looked at the accumulated papers of Darwin, of Alexander Humboldt, Marie Curie, and other kind of famous thinkers in the past. It’s yeah, it’s a huge amount of content, right, because it’s, yeah, every random scribble and letter they wrote to someone, but of course very valuable for people that did do these breakthroughs, understanding how their minds worked and how they came to those conclusions, what their interactions with others in the field were like. But I wonder if there is also some function of just people didn’t move that much back in those days, because at least for me, who’s done a lot of moving in my life, including across continents, you know, hauling giant boxes of papers, feels kind of infeasible. Happily, hopefully digital archiving should be easier again if you take the steps that you describe, Mark, because there’s many ways that digital stuff is more ephemeral. 00:51:14 - Speaker 3: Well, maybe now we’re getting to the whole theory of information persistence, but I think not only are we moving more often, but I think this digital stuff is fundamentally more brittle. Certainly the very bespoke and fast moving apps, but even basic file formats on Unix directories, if you don’t quite actively maintain those, they go away after 5 or 10 years, like the disk corrupts and the media format is no longer readable and so on, whereas with a book, if you just like don’t light it on fire, it’s gonna be there in 100 years. I don’t know, it’s a very interesting property. I think we still haven’t fully confronted the consequences of trading off dynamism for durability in the computing realm. 00:51:51 - Speaker 2: And for interested listeners, I’ll point you to the Meta Muse episode on software longevity, when we take a deeper dive into the very topic. So one example is another question from Petty Chase, who asks how you and maybe customers who share their use cases and workflows with you use Muse with other tools of thought. And so typically we see a lot of people linking from knowledge graphs. This is where we do seemuse as complimentary to Rome, Obsidian, Logsick, and so forth that you can link out to Muse board. People often do that by getting the deep link. You just basically hit copy on the board and that will give you a muse app cola slash link. And also you can like, of course, the other way around. We’ve also seen folks use shortcuts to put, for example, news boards directly on their home screen as kind of like a launch point then obviously something like screen share, which I guess is less of a tool for thought, but I think is important in modern work, so using use as a real-time whiteboard or a kind of a presentation live presentation tool, including teachers, they use it for their classes kind of Choctaw style. We obviously use that for presentations and planning sessions on our team. As well. So I think those are some of the simple ones. Can you both think of other examples? 00:53:05 - Speaker 1: Yeah, for me personally, it ends up being more of an archive question than an integration question. I find myself almost purposefully keeping apps separate, and when I work in Muse, kind of process the information and create some sort of an output, and then I’ll take that and just physically export it into Notion is the other common app that I use for storage is kind of my knowledge graph, my personal wiki. And so I end up exporting from notion into Muse, processing around, doing some thinking and then exporting from use back into notion. But beyond that, I think links to and from are also a very nice thing, Wiggins that you mentioned, because then it’s integration agnostic, no matter what other apps people use, you can always create a link to and from things and so it becomes a very lightweight interaction point. I think there’s some risk for creating very heavyweight integrations. Maybe we’ll talk about that soon, but it can be very limiting, ironically, to create a very deep integration with some other app because it forces that workflow, as opposed to allowing a lot more flexibility with very lightweight integrations with lots of different apps. I think there’s some balance there, but I’ve found the very lightweight integration slash archiving export to be very helpful for my own use. 00:54:25 - Speaker 2: That’s a great point. Copy paste, drag and drop, shares sheets, you know, files in and out, that kind of quote unquote integration that is basically using standards rather than needing a many to many API integrations heavyweight thing I think is most always better. That said, that is certainly a place I think we can continue to get better. We’ve invested a lot there, but you mentioned the case of copy pasting. In and out of notion and weird things can happen with line breaks and some stuff comes across that seems like it should be left behind and other things sometimes get copied in or things get omitted, so I think continuing to improve that which partially is just the tricky challenge of trying to kind of work out what the other app is expecting in terms of line breaks and format content and You know, if you send the text in one way, you get a bunch of individual blocks, and if you send it another way, you get one giant block with a bunch of line breaks, for example. But yeah, I think that’s important and something we can improve a lot. It’s a fascinating question we get from our friend Tim Lloyd. Tim writes, text first tool for thoughts. Is that a noun tool for thoughts? Yeah, why not. Like Rome and spatial first, like muse. So he’s comparing text first and spatial first tools. Do you think these will converge? To tools that are great for both. Are the current differences more about technical feasibility and interaction challenges, or is it actually an incompatible vision or just two different kinds of ways to aid thinking? And if it is the latter that it’s sort of incompatible, the sort of spatial first is fundamentally different from text first, does that mean there’s things Muse would never do? That’s the end of Tim’s quote, but I’ll just add on, we’ve already talked about adding things like linking and search. What you expect from the text first tool for thoughts. So you know what’s the limit on that? And yeah, is there some world where both the text-based stuff grows to be more spatial or visual and use grows to be more textual, or is there a limit on that and they’re just sort of fundamentally different kinds of tools. 00:56:31 - Speaker 3: Well, OK, I think there’s some abstract sense in which we’re on a multi-dimensional tool space and there’s different points in those spaces for all the different tools like notion and Rome and uses and so on, and theoretically you can imagine those tools traversing the space to meet up somewhere. I think in practice. You make foundational decisions pretty early on that tend to strongly suggest which region of the space you’re going to tend to move around in. So I guess I would expect some convergence among these tools, but not 100% overlap in the future. I expect Rome, for example, will remain quite text focused and use will remain more free form and spatial, but You will get more tech support, you will get non-spatial support, and so on. I don’t think that they’ll exactly look the same in the end. 00:57:21 - Speaker 1: For me, this ends up becoming a question about file standards more than it does about the application functionality. And I say that because I can take a notion document and fairly easily translate that into a text file, a very linear document format. There’s currently not really a very good file format for Spatial canvas, and so converting a spatial canvas into a linear document. It is currently a very difficult thing and depends very much on the tool, and in some ways taking a document can translate literally into a very tall spatial document in air quotes there. But being able to convert to and from different formats, or even just have a standard format for what a spatial canvas document is, I think will really help. Bridging these two worlds together, because right now there’s just not a good way for Muse to talk to another spatial canvas app. There’s just not a language that we both speak to describe what a spatial canvas is. 00:58:28 - Speaker 2: It’s a great point that For example, for the top to bottom text oriented documents, I use now and basically always have

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