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United Church of God Sermons
Why We Are Not Trinitarians

United Church of God Sermons

Play Episode Listen Later May 31, 2025 50:25


By John May - This message examines a basic theological question from the perspective of our Church's history: Why isn't the United Church of God a Trinitarian church? This sermon identifies three main reasons why we in the United Church of God are not Trinitarians.

Oh Hale YEAH! with TJ Hale
Theological Stockholm Syndrome: How the Trinity Became Christianity's Deep State Doctrine

Oh Hale YEAH! with TJ Hale

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2025 23:43


Questioning the Trinity is like trying to cancel a gym membership—taxing, frustrating, and somehow you end up in worse shape. But why is there such a visceral reaction to even questioning it? In this video, I break down Theological Stockholm Syndrome—how centuries of persecution, dogma, and intellectual investment make the Trinity untouchable for many Christians.Inspired by a video from Ruslan (a rich man's Mike Winger), I explore:

Jay's Analysis
Pt 1 - Muslims & Anti-Trinitarians Demolished! FULLY WRECKED! Jay Dyer, Godlogic, Fearless Truth

Jay's Analysis

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 23, 2025 95:44


A killer 3 hour open forum that ended up with perfect callers bringing standard challenges to the doctrine of the Trinity, as well as a host of oddball arguments and claims. Enjoy! GL is here https://www.youtube.com/@GodLogicApologetics Send Superchats at any time here: https://streamlabs.com/jaydyer/tip Get started with Bitcoin here: https://www.swanbitcoin.com/jaydyer/ The New Philosophy Course is here: https://marketplace.autonomyagora.com/philosophy101 Set up recurring Choq subscription with the discount code JAY44LIFE for 44% off now https://choq.com Lore coffee is here: https://www.patristicfaith.com/coffee/ Orders for the Red Book are here: https://jaysanalysis.com/product/the-red-book-essays-on-theology-philosophy-new-jay-dyer-book/ Subscribe to my site here: https://jaysanalysis.com/membership-account/membership-levels/ Follow me on R0kfin here: https://rokfin.com/jaydyer Music by Amid the Ruins 1453 Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnt7Iy8GlmdPwy_Tzyx93bA/joinBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/jay-sanalysis--1423846/support.

Jay's Analysis
Pt 2 - Muslims & Anti-Trinitarians Demolished! FULLY WRECKED! Jay Dyer, Godlogic, Fearless Truth

Jay's Analysis

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 23, 2025 97:59


A killer 3 hour open forum that ended up with perfect callers bringing standard challenges to the doctrine of the Trinity, as well as a host of oddball arguments and claims. Enjoy! GL is here https://www.youtube.com/@GodLogicApologetics Send Superchats at any time here: https://streamlabs.com/jaydyer/tip Get started with Bitcoin here: https://www.swanbitcoin.com/jaydyer/ The New Philosophy Course is here: https://marketplace.autonomyagora.com/philosophy101 Set up recurring Choq subscription with the discount code JAY44LIFE for 44% off now https://choq.com Lore coffee is here: https://www.patristicfaith.com/coffee/ Orders for the Red Book are here: https://jaysanalysis.com/product/the-red-book-essays-on-theology-philosophy-new-jay-dyer-book/ Subscribe to my site here: https://jaysanalysis.com/membership-account/membership-levels/ Follow me on R0kfin here: https://rokfin.com/jaydyer Music by Amid the Ruins 1453 Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnt7Iy8GlmdPwy_Tzyx93bA/joinBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/jay-sanalysis--1423846/support.

One God Report
134) If the Bible is Right, God is NOT a Trinity (Part 2)

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2025 20:30


00:00  God is Never a Trinity in the Bible. 03:14  God is always referred to with singular pronouns.HE did great things through Jesus Christ.  The Lord Jesus Christ is someone else, a different “person and being” thanGod.   04:18  Typical Responses from the Previous podcast,and why they fall short. No one showed a place in the Bible where God is described or revealed to be a Trinity. Trinitarian apologists construct their god. Matthew 28:19, John 10:30, Genesis 1:26? 06:26  So much confusion in Trinitarian responses. Theimmediate “default” is to go to a few verses that Trinitarians think show that “Jesus is God”. 10:14  Trinitarian scholars who describe that theTrinity is not revealed in the Bible. “Can't just rifle through the pages of the Bible in forming the doctrine (of the Trinity)” 11:55  Assembling the Trinity, the methodology is faulty. No one in the Bible does this. 14:08  Similarity between Trinitarian and modern “woke”usage of pronouns.  Denying reality and insisting on using a pronoun that does not apply. 16:07  Who to believe: Trinitarians or the Bible?  Stick with the Bible.  #trinity, #deityofchrist, #biblicalunitarian, #fredsanders, #jameswhite Other RelatedPodcasts: If the Bibleis Right, God is NOT a Trinity (Part 1)https://youtu.be/S1-qBYVrkdU Is the Trinity in the Bible? If So, Where?https://youtu.be/POVaZX3urdc Trinity, Preferred Pronouns: He/Him (Woke-ism in Trinitarian Thought and Language)https://youtu.be/VRFJbSlC0-E God is He, not They (one minute short)https://youtube.com/shorts/f9f0-9NwgDk

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings
Feb 8, 2025. Gospel: Luke 12:35-40. St John of Matha, Confessor

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2025 2:48


 35 Let your loins be girt, and lamps burning in your hands.Sint lumbi vestri praecincti, et lucernae ardentes in manibus vestris, 36 And you yourselves like to men who wait for their lord, when he shall return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open to him immediately.et vos similes hominibus exspectantibus dominum suum quando revertatur a nuptiis : ut, cum venerit et pulsaverit, confestim aperiant ei. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when he cometh, shall find watching. Amen I say to you, that he will gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and passing will minister unto them.Beati servi illi quos, cum venerit dominus, invenerit vigilantes : amen dico vobis, quod praecinget se, et faciet illos discumbere, et transiens ministrabit illis. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.Et si venerit in secunda vigilia, et si in tertia vigilia venerit, et ita invenerit, beati sunt servi illi. 39 But this know ye, that if the householder did know at what hour the thief would come, he would surely watch, and would not suffer his house to be broken open.Hoc autem scitote, quoniam si sciret paterfamilias, qua hora fur veniret, vigilaret utique, et non sineret perfodi domum suam. 40 Be you then also ready: for at what hour you think not, the Son of man will come.Et vos estote parati : quia qua hora non putatis, Filius hominis venietWith St Felix of Valois, St John founded the Order of the Trinitarians for the ransoming of captives who had fallen into the hands of the Mohammedans. He died A.D. 1213.

The Biblical Unitarian Podcast
360: Does ‘Echad' Imply God's Compound Unity?

The Biblical Unitarian Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2024 24:35


While Jews and Unitarian Christians have traditionally argued from Deut 6:4 that God is only one person, several Trinitarian apologists and internet theologians have insisted that "echad" (the Hebrew word for "one") refers to a compound unity of multiple persons. This episode examines the cardinal Hebrew number one ("echad") to determine if it is a word possessing the meaning of compound unity. After digging deep into the lexicons and dictionaries, we listen to the best arguments put forth by Trinitarians in favor of "echad" referring to a plurality of subjects. The results are, let's say, less than compelling for the argument in favor of compound unity.    Visit Amazon to buy your copy of my book Wisdom Christology in the Gospel of John: https://a.co/d/6nFEbZg          Please consider supporting this Podcast and future projects by donating at: https://www.paypal.me/10mintruthtalks          To view the notes from this episode please click the link below: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PyvmM_H6olwYVfnAXlcoO0oqFISibk2GnGb69QivuBg/edit?usp=sharing    Check out some of my videos on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/@BiblicalUnitarianPodcast          Follow us on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/OneGodPodcast 

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings
Nov 20, 2024. Gospel: Luke 12:32-34. St Felix of Valois, Confessor

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2024 1:36


32 Fear not, little flock, for it hath pleased your Father to give you a kingdom.Nolite timere pusillus grex, quia complacuit Patri vestro dare vobis regnum.  33 Sell what you possess and give alms. Make to yourselves bags which grow not old, a treasure in heaven which faileth not: where no thief approacheth, nor moth corrupteth.Vendite quae possidetis, et date eleemosynam. Facite vobis sacculos, qui non veterascunt, thesaurum non deficientem in caelis : quo fur non appropriat, neque tinea corrumpit.  34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.Ubi enim thesaurus vester est, ibi et cor vestrum erit. St Felix, of the royal family of France, with St John of Matha founded the Order of Trinitarians for the ransom of captives. He died A.D. 1212.

Christadelphians Talk
Problems for the Trinity (John 1 v 1 ) with John Thorpe

Christadelphians Talk

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2024 25:15


A @Christadelphians Video: # SummaryThis PRESENTATION explores the complexities of John 1:1, a key scripture often cited by Trinitarians to support the divinity of Jesus. The speaker argues that a deeper analysis reveals significant challenges for the Trinitarian interpretation, particularly regarding the meanings of "the Word" and "God." The presentation delves into the Greek terms used in the passage, their implications, and alternative interpretations that might align better with a non-Trinitarian view.# Highlights-

One God Report
The Cost of Truth: Stories of Biblical Unitarian Christians

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 8, 2024 19:59


Stories of how former Trinitarians, Atheists and Jehovah's Witnesses are coming to know and believe that God is the Father, and that Jesus is God's human Son, the Messiah.   Book available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Cost-Truth-Biblical-Unitarian-Christians/dp/1736918052   #biblicalunitarian, #bible, #Jesus, #countthecost, #billschlegel, #walkaway --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/onegodreport-podcast/support

One God Report
Tim Mackie (The Bible Project), Thoughts on the Trinity, a Response

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 28, 2024 42:05


Dr. Tim Mackie appeared on the Transfiguration Podcast, describing some of his recent thoughts about the Trinity. In this video/podcast I review and point out some errors in Dr. Mackie's claims.   0:00 Intro: Dr. Mackie's search: How are Trinitarian expressions of God derived from the Bible?   02:20 Definition: What is the Trinity. Confusion between God as the Father alone, Trinitarianism, and Modalism. How many persons/selves is God?   08:03 Partial Knowledge. “Our knowledge of God will always be partial. The Trinity is a mystery.”   14:27 Progressive Revelation “Our knowledge of how many persons God is, was revealed progressively.”   24:00 Agency: the agent (one sent) of the sender is considered to legally be the presence of the sender.   26:14 How and When was the Trinity revealed? A couple New Testament references that supposedly hint that “Jesus is God”. Do Jesus' miracles prove Jesus is literally God?   37:00 Any common ground between One-God-the-Father believers, and Trinitarians?  Different narratives.   40:41 A thank you and challenge to Dr. Mackie.   Resources: Transfigured Interview: Tim Mackie - The Trinity, Hermeneutics & Doctrinal Development https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyCqhMDudYU&t=1561s   Is the Trinity in the Bible? If So, Where? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POVaZX3urdc   How and When was the Trinity Revealed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HaqhjicWv8   My Lord and My God, Trinitarians Get it Wrong, John 20:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxYp4n52P8Q Text: https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2019/12/my-lord-and-my-god-trinitarians-get-it.html   One God Report Podcast:   Land and Bible blog (Bill Schlegel) https://landandbible.blogspot.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/onegodreport-podcast/support

Sydenstricker United Methodist Church Podcast
Morning Services- "We Are Trinitarians"

Sydenstricker United Methodist Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2024 16:00


Morning Services- "We Are Trinitarians" What does it mean to believe in the Trinity? Scripture: Genesis 1:26-27; Matthew 28:16-20

Unitarian Christian Alliance
84. Trinitarians Made Me Cry (And It's Not What You Think) - Kassie Woodard

Unitarian Christian Alliance

Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2024 61:20


After leaving The Way International, their first experience left them shocked. Reflections on life within a high-control bubble. RESOURCES 83. Trinitarian Cultic Authority The Way International - https://www.theway.org/ 313 Questioning Way International Doctrines (William Barlow) - Restitutio 18. Rex's Legacy / Music of Grace / The Loaf - Laura Varnadore 78. Success, Hubris, And The Titanic - Rex Cain Record up to a 90 second message (and be like Matt) EPISODE INDEX 00:01:03 - Two YouTube Commenters 00:03:29 - Religious Authority, Damage 00:04:51 - Interview 00:07:31 - Being A Child In The Way 00:09:51 - Interpreted Most Accuracy 00:11:10 - The Sermon On The Mount? 00:12:15 - Don't Confess Negatives Out Loud 00:16:38 - It Was Different At Home 00:19:42 - You Bear The Blame 00:22:31 - The Light Cracks In Through Friends 00:26:18 - The Realization That There Are Others 00:31:55 - Factors From Headquarters 00:36:15 - The Final Straw 00:38:51 - Seeing What Else Is Out There 00:41:21 - The Shocking Approach To Scripture 00:44:13 - The Tears 00:47:03 - Walking The Loop 00:49:13 - How Does The "Lock" Happen? 00:53:23 - Fruit Of The Doctrine 00:56:26 - To Live in Community 00:57:47 - Events 00:58:36 - Matt From Australia 01:00:14 - Email Me FEEDBACK Be like Matt from Australia. Send a short recording. Say your first name and your state or country. Email recording to podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 LISTENING TIPS Pauses and pacing are hand crafted, artisan efforts. If your podcast app lets you remove silences, please don't. You will enjoy this better with the silences left in. ENGAGE The UCA Podcast email list! Large and enjoyable episode art, additional thoughts from the host, and notifications when there are delays. The UCA events listing. Keep up on what's coming up. Podcast twitter @UCApodcast - Episode announcements Official UCA twitter account @UnitarianChrist  Podcast Webpage: https://podcast.unitarianchristianalliance.org  

One God Report
118) Where is the Man Jesus in John 1?

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2024 29:29


Some Biblical Unitarians (believers in the One God, the Father), don't see the man Jesus in the first verses of John's Gospel. Instead, they understand the Word/Logos” as an abstract plan, design, promise or wisdom that is only personified (described as if it were a person).      Trinitarian “diety-of-Christ” and “Arian” believers likewise don't see the human person, the human being Jesus of Nazareth in the first verses of John's Gospel. They see only a “divine being/person who became flesh” – but this podcast is not directed toward them. They have bigger problems.   This podcast should challenge believers in One God, the Father, to see that the “personified plan, purpose, wisdom” interpretation of John's Prologue falls short.    I asked fourteen One God, the Father believers who have lectured or written about their abstract personification interpretation of John's Prologue, this question:   “At what place in John 1 do you first see the man Christ Jesus of Nazareth or his ministry, either metaphorically or literally, being the subject?“   Their answers should be enlightening.   Other resources mentioned in this podcast: Perry, Andrew. John 1:1-18 A Socinian Approach https://www.amazon.com/John-1-1-18-Andrew-Perry/dp/0993444083 https://www.academia.edu/42755430/John_1_1_18_A_Socinian_Approach   Whittaker, H.A. Studies in the Gospels https://www.christadelphianbooks.com/detail/1738     Podcast: John 1 is NOT Genesis 1 (8+1 Evidences) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFv33RbrJfQ   Tips on Talking with Trinitarians about John 1 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUqWXumvcp5oTh8KhdYpIGhrH11AXnxtM   --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/onegodreport-podcast/support

Common Sense Christianity
Since Jesus is called Lord, does that make him God Almighty?

Common Sense Christianity

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 14, 2024 11:24


A lot of people believe that just because Jesus is called Lord and God is called Lord that they must be the same God, or that Jesus is God. That simply false, a lot of people are called Lord in the gospel, but Trinitarians hide this fact.

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings
Feb 8, 2024. Gospel Luke 12:35-40. St John of Matha, Confessor

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2024 2:37


Let your loins be girt, and lamps burning in your hands.Sint lumbi vestri praecincti, et lucernae ardentes in manibus vestris,  36 And you yourselves like to men who wait for their lord, when he shall return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open to him immediately.et vos similes hominibus exspectantibus dominum suum quando revertatur a nuptiis : ut, cum venerit et pulsaverit, confestim aperiant ei.  37 Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when he cometh, shall find watching. Amen I say to you, that he will gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and passing will minister unto them.Beati servi illi quos, cum venerit dominus, invenerit vigilantes : amen dico vobis, quod praecinget se, et faciet illos discumbere, et transiens ministrabit illis.  38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.Et si venerit in secunda vigilia, et si in tertia vigilia venerit, et ita invenerit, beati sunt servi illi.  39 But this know ye, that if the householder did know at what hour the thief would come, he would surely watch, and would not suffer his house to be broken open.Hoc autem scitote, quoniam si sciret paterfamilias, qua hora fur veniret, vigilaret utique, et non sineret perfodi domum suam.  40 Be you then also ready: for at what hour you think not, the Son of man will come.Et vos estote parati : quia qua hora non putatis, Filius hominis veniet. With St Felix of Valois, St John founded the Order of the Trinitarians for the ransoming of captives who had fallen into the hands of the Mohammedans. He died A.D. 1213.

Common Sense Christianity
(#120) Most Trinitarians will waste your time

Common Sense Christianity

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2024 40:16


Trinitarians do not stick to scripture, and most don't care to, therefore, engaging with most of the Trinity faith will be a waste of time, effort and resources

Common Sense Christianity
(#119) The Trinity isn't part of the Gospel

Common Sense Christianity

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 2, 2024 33:12


In this podcast, I again offer five questions to Trinitarians, as they have consistently failed to answer them. The Trinity is not a teaching ever found in scripture, and nobody ever tries to make the case for a triune God. The trinity isn't a doctrine we are ever told to believe in. If you are a Trinitarian I sure hope you are a seeker of truth

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings
Nov 20, 2023. Gospel: Luke 12:32-34. St Felix of Valois, Confessor

Traditional Latin Mass Gospel Readings

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2023 0:41


And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.Et quicumque dixerit verbum contra Filium hominis, remittetur ei : qui autem dixerit contra Spiritum Sanctum, non remittetur ei, neque in hoc saeculo, neque in futuro.  33 Either make the tree good and its fruit good: or make the tree evil, and its fruit evil. For by the fruit the tree is known.Aut facite arborem bonam, et fructum ejus bonum : aut facite arborem malam, et fructum ejus malum : siquidem ex fructu arbor agnoscitur.  34 O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.Progenies viperarum, quomodo potestis bona loqui, cum sitis mali? ex abundantia enim cordis os loquitur. St Felix, of the royal family of France, with St John of Matha founded the Order of Trinitarians for the ransom of captives. He died A.D. 1212.

Restitutio
518 Tried to Believe in the Trinity (Rick Naviello)

Restitutio

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2023 40:38


Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts We've all heard plenty of stories of Trinitarians who begin questioning their received teaching and eventually become Unitarian. However, today, we're bringing you a story that's a little different. My guest is Rick Naviello who held a biblical unitarian view of Jesus for decades before attending evangelical churches and really trying to believe in the Trinity. He did everything he could to convince himself it was true. He thought he had succeeded until... Well, I don't want to give away the punchline, but let's just say he's more convinced of his biblical unitarian faith than ever. (And church history was involved.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiKgnzXcOes —— Links —— Get the transcript of this episode More testimonies here Check out the Early Church History class to learn about the development of the Trinity on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Support Restitutio by donating here Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan?  Read his bio here

One God Report
108) "Jesus is God" Denies that Jesus is the Christ

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2023 14:08


Who is Denying Christ – Me or a Person who Believes that “Jesus is God”?   When I first came to understand that the man, the human person Jesus of Nazareth, is God's Christ (the Messiah המשיח), the human Son of God, quite a few of my former Trinitarian and deity-of-Christ-believing friends accused me of “denying Christ”.   Here I was confessing and proclaiming that Jesus is the Christ, yet many people were saying I was denying Christ!   For a complete text of this episode, click here: https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2023/09/who-is-denying-christ-me-or-person-who.html   Let's ask Trinitarian, deity of Christ believers this question. I would really like to hear Trinitarians, or oneness believers answer. I'm interested in honest, civil discussion. The best place to answer is probably the Bill Schlegel YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@billschlegel1   Here's the question – I'll ask it in various ways for clarification: Do have a problem with God exalting a human person, Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, to His (God's) right hand? Do you deny that the human person, the human being, Jesus of Nazareth came into being, was born, lived, was put to death, was raised from the dead by God and exalted to God's right hand? Are you ashamed of the human person, Jesus of Nazareth? Do you think who this human person is and what this human person did is not sufficient to be the one mediator between God and man? Again, is there an exalted, glorified human person at the right hand of God?   #deityofchrist, #trinity, #biblicalunitarian, #billschlegel, #denyingchrist, #antichrist --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/onegodreport-podcast/support

Latter-day Faith
163: Abiding in Christ

Latter-day Faith

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2023 83:07


It is often difficult for Latter-day Saints to understand the distinction between Jesus and Christ as they are used in many other Christian traditions. They also struggle to understand how God can be considered a person if God doesn't have a distinct and tangible body. Mormons often speak of knowing that God knows each of us personally, but don't fathom how this could be true if God is considered Trinity.  This episode, featuring Mark Crego and LDF host Dan Wotherspoon introduce how the concept of "Christ," understood by Trinitarians as naming how God is "incarnate" and "immanent" within all things, and how focusing on a definition like that might help LDS folk actually draw closer to God rather than more abstract and distant.  Following up on a the notion of "abiding" they discussed in a July Latter-day Faith episode (number 158), they discuss here what it might mean to "abide in Christ." Both of them, who through study and personal spiritual practices which has led them to experience radically deep connection with Earth, the Universe, and all life, consider Joseph Smith's naming of that which is in, through, and around, all things, the "Light of Christ" (D&C 88:6-13), is appropriate, much more so than if he had chosen to label that which connects us with everything else, the "Light of Jesus Christ."  How can we learn to think of Jesus, the individual, as someone who fully reflected the "Christ" immanence and energies, rather than focusing on his "only begotten" status and his specialness compared to us? Can we benefit from concentrating on him as an exemplar and guide and how it is through following the path and having the transformative experiences he had as a very important aspect of his being our "savior"? Listen in! You will like it, especially after the shock of thinking in this way wears off. 

What-Not: The Podcast
QnA: Mormons, Worry, Faith and Works, and Being Saved by Childbearing

What-Not: The Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2023 37:28


Pastors Bryan Wolfmueller and Andrew Packer answer your theological and Biblical questions. In this episode we take up questions about:  How do we talk to non-Trinitarians, especially Mormons, about God? (Mormonism Research Ministry website: https://www.mrm.org/) Is worry a sin? How do we understand passages like James 2 that seem to connect faith and works? (The Lutheran Confessions on James 2, https://wolfmueller.co/justified-by-works-the-lutheran-confessions-on-james-224/) What does Paul mean in 2 Timothy when he indicates that "women will be saved through childbearing? Martin Luther's description of faith: https://wolfmueller.co/martin-luthers-description-of-faith/ New book: Holy Baptism: An Anthology Send your questions to www.wolfmueller.co/contact.  Also, don't forget to sign up for the free weekly email, Wednesday What-Not, www.wolfmueller.co/wednesday  --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sunday-drive-home/message

One God Report
103) Does Peter Call Jesus "Our God" in 2 Peter 1:1?

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2023 25:03


For text notes to this podcast, click here: ⁠https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2023/08/does-apostle-peter-call-jesus-christ.html⁠ In 2 Peter 1:1 did Peter claim that Jesus Christ was “our God? Two points:   1.  Even for deity of Christ believing Trinitarians, to claim that Peter is calling Jesus Christ “our God” is a big problem. Isn't your God the Trinity? And, what about the Father? What about the “Spirit”? In a frantic effort to find some evidence that “Jesus is God”, aren't you ignoring and dishonoring the One whom Jesus called the only true God, the Father (John 17:3). Aren't you dishonoring the one of whom Paul said “as for us there is one God, the Father” (1 Cor. 8:6)?    The deity of Christ interpretation dishonors Peter and falsely testifies about Peter. And, any and all “deity of Christ” claims are a denigration of the Father, since they claim that the Father is not the one true God.   2.  It is clear from many other Scriptures that Peter knows exactly who God is, and who the Lord or Savior Jesus Christ is. Peter does not confuse the identity of God and Jesus. The fact that the deity of Christ claim appeals to some supposed point of Greek grammar for one two less clear verses, and ignores the testimony of the rest of Scripture is simply poor exegesis.   To Peter, the Lord and Savior Jesus is not God. To Peter, but the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has a God, who raised him from the dead. We can see what Peter means in 2 Peter 1:1, “in the righteousness of our God, and (the) Savior Jesus Christ” by reading Peter's other descriptions of God and Jesus. Let's start with the very next verse:   2 Peter 1:2, "May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord." Who is “God” in this verse? Are we really to believe that Peter switched who was God from verse 1 to verse 2. I hate the deity of Christ identity confusion. I reject the deity of Christ identity confusion.   John 17:1-3, having eternal life involves knowing, having knowledge of two persons, two beings: 1. The Father, the only true God, and 2. Jesus the Messiah whom the Father sent.   Compare the “distributive” aspect of both 1 Pet. 1:1 and 1 Peter 1:2: “the knowledge of…” two persons (God, and Jesus our Lord). “the righteousness of…” two persons (our God, and the Savior Jesus Christ).   1 Peter 1:3. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!” For Peter, God is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. God and the Lord Jesus are two different persons, two different beings.   Acts 2:22-24. "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs which God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know --   this Jesus... God raised him up…” For Peter, Jesus was a man whom God worked through, a man who was killed, whom God raised up. Two different persons, two different beings.   Acts 2:36   “Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified." For Peter, God MADE Jesus Lord and Christ. The ultimate testimony of Peter as to whom he considered Jesus to be is found in Peter's declaration after Jesus asked him point-blank, “Who do you say that I am?” In Mark, Peter declared: “The Christ!”  The Christ is not God. In Luke, “The Christ of God!” The Christ of God is not God. In Matthew, “The Christ, the Son of the Living God”.  The Son of the Living God is not the Living God.   Peter in 1 Peter 1:1 is not contradicting himself. He is not confused about the identity of Jesus. It is deity of Christ interpreters who are confused about the identity of Jesus. Related web link: Troy Salinger Examines the Granville Sharp Rule:https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2022/01/16/2-peter-11-titus-213-and-the-granville-sharp-rule-a-new-approach/ #deityofchrist, #1Peter1:1, #nontrinitarian, #trinity, #billschlegel --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/onegodreport-podcast/support

One God Report
102) Are Trinitarians Idol Worshippers? Are they Saved?

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2023 21:52


It's a good question. I don't know if there is a black and white answer because there are different degrees and facets to the question. Many trinitarians that I know seem to not really know what they believe, and functionally or “practically” believe in in One God, the Father.   There are different levels and degrees of judgment. Like James said, teachers will be judged with greater strictness (James 3:1).  I am not confident that “everything is going to be alright” for someone who insists that God is a triune being, a Trinity, or that “Jesus is God”. Trinitarianism is messing with what Jesus called the greatest commandment: that Yehovah our God is one (Deu. 6:4, Mark 12:29-34).  Exodus 20:2-3    "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.  3 "You shall have no other gods before me."  So the question is: who, or what (according to Trinitarianism), is the one God. Is the one God the Father alone, or is the one God a tri-personal being, a substance that has more than one person. And the New Testament says that the One God is the Father: John 17:1-3 “Father...this is eternal life, to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” 1 Corinthians 8:6, “As for us there is one God, the Father...” All “deity of Christ” interpretations of passages like John 1 and Philippians 2 attempt to do two things: 1. denigrate the Father by declaring that someone or something else other than the Father is the one true God, and 2.  rob the man Christ Jesus of who he is and what he did. Since Trinitarianism insists that Jesus is a god-person who only “took on” human flesh or human nature, that means there never was or is a real human person Jesus the Messiah from Nazareth. Otherwise, Jesus would be two persons: a god-person Jesus and a man-person Jesus from Nazareth. But traditional Christianity decided in AD 451, almost 1600 years ago, that Jesus is not two persons. He is only the god person. The man Jesus of Nazareth never did anything -never humbled himself, never obeyed God, never trusted God - because he never existed. “He was only a god-person all along.”  1 John 2:22-23 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Who is denying the Son? Someone who believes that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, or someone who denies that Jesus, a real human person, is the Christ. 1 John 2:22 does not say, “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is God”.  Far from it. The Son of God is never literally God in the Bible. The title Son of God is given to created beings, especially to Israel, and to Israel's chief representative, the king of the line of David.   We do have a judge, the man, the human person, Jesus the Christ from Nazareth. The Apostle Paul stated that God “will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed and of this He has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead” (Acts 17:31, 2 Tim. 2:5, Romans 5:15, 2 Cor. 5:10). Have we said in our hearts during our time in this age “a mere man can't judge us, we will not have that man rule over us”? Ironically, perhaps some Trinitarians may be saved by what they've insisted they aren't saved by, i.e., works (Matt. 16:27, 12:36-37; Romans 2:6-7, 2 Cor. 5:10, 1 Cor. 3:12-14, Gal. 6:7-9, James 2:20-26). I have a feeling that one of those works will be how people treated the children of God who believe that God is the Father, and that the man Jesus is the Messiah (1 John 5:1, John 8:42, Matt. 25:41-46).  People like me are not the final judge (Romans 2:16). We don't have all the information. God has appointed the man Jesus Christ, and given him the authority to judge (Acts 17:31, John 5:22, 27).  “So each of us shall give account of himself to God” (Romans 14:12).   --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/onegodreport-podcast/support

MILK & MEAT
David K. Bernard And The Trinity (Part 3 of 3) - [EP #79 w/ Aldo and Carlos]

MILK & MEAT

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 30, 2023 55:01


[EP #79 w/ Aldo Beltran and Carlos Bautista Jr.] This is the third of a 3-Part episode in which we dissect a short video from David K. Bernard's ministry podcast, Apostolic Life in the 21st Century. In his podcast episode 107 "How To Talk To A Trinitarian," he makes theological assumptions and statements concerning the Trinity and Trinitarians, rejecting the salvation of anyone that denies that Jesus is the Father, a belief held by those in the Oneness theological camp. We go through his various statements, providing commentary and clarification. Bernard's original video can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrZ7NyrsIYE Follow us on: ⬇️ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilkandMeatPodcast Email for info, questions, or requests: ⬇️ milkandmeatpodcast@gmail.com

MILK & MEAT
David K. Bernard And The Trinity (Part 2 of 3) - [EP #78 w/ Aldo and Carlos]

MILK & MEAT

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 23, 2023 55:01


[EP #78 w/ Aldo Beltran and Carlos Bautista Jr.] This is the second of a 3-Part episode in which we dissect a short video from David K. Bernard's ministry podcast, Apostolic Life in the 21st Century. In his podcast episode 107 "How To Talk To A Trinitarian," he makes theological assumptions and statements concerning the Trinity and Trinitarians, rejecting the salvation of anyone that denies that Jesus is the Father, a belief held by those in the Oneness theological camp. We go through his various statements, providing commentary and clarification. Bernard's original video can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrZ7NyrsIYE Follow us on: ⬇️ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilkandMeatPodcast Email for info, questions, or requests: ⬇️ milkandmeatpodcast@gmail.com

MILK & MEAT
David K. Bernard And The Trinity (Part 1 of 3) - [EP #77 w/ Aldo and Carlos]

MILK & MEAT

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 16, 2023 50:33


[EP #77 w/ Aldo Beltran and Carlos Bautista Jr.] This is the first of a 3-Part episode in which we dissect a short video from David K. Bernard's ministry podcast, Apostolic Life in the 21st Century. In his podcast episode 107 "How To Talk To A Trinitarian," he makes theological assumptions and statements concerning the Trinity and Trinitarians, rejecting the salvation of anyone that denies that Jesus is the Father, a belief held by those in the Oneness theological camp. We go through his various statements, providing commentary and clarification. Bernard's original video can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrZ7NyrsIYE Follow us on: ⬇️ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilkandMeatPodcast Email for info, questions, or requests: ⬇️ milkandmeatpodcast@gmail.com

Apostolic Life in the 21st Century
How to Talk to a Trinitarian

Apostolic Life in the 21st Century

Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2023 15:43


Dr. David K. Bernard has had many conversations and debates with Trinitarian scholars and apologists during the course of his ministry. In this episode, he shares what he has learned from these discussions about effectively engaging with Trinitarians on the topics of the Godhead and the identity of Jesus Christ. This episode is for anyone who wants to lead others into greater understanding of biblical truth.If you enjoy this podcast, leave a five-star rating and a review on iTunes or your preferred podcast platform. We also appreciate it when you share Apostolic Life in the 21st Century with family and friends.

Restitutio
495 Early Church History 13: Trinity Controversy in the Fourth Century

Restitutio

Play Episode Listen Later May 11, 2023 55:58


This is part 13 of the Early Church History class. Between the year 325 and 381 titanic shifts occurred that changed Christianity forever. Rather than ending conflict and ushering in a golden era of lasting peace, Constantine's Council of Nicea ignited a theological civil war within Christianity that raged for six more decades. In today's episode you'll learn about the struggle over Christology that eventually ended with the emperor Theodosius endorsing the trinitarian creed of Constantinople in 381. Rather than sugarcoating this tumultuous period, my hope is to relentlessly tell the truth in hopes that you can draw your own conclusions. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZXXcufcuis —— Links —— See other episodes and posts about the Trinity here More Restitutio resources on Christian history See other classes here Support Restitutio by donating here Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan?  Read his bio here —— Notes —— 325 Council of Nicaea Constantine invited many bishops to his lake summer palace at Nicaea. Between 250 and 300 bishops attended, but only 5 from the West. Constantine suggested adding the word homoousios to the creed that Eusebius of Caesarea presented. The Creed of Nicaea declares the Son to be “begotten of the Father…that is, from the essence (ousia) of the Father…begotten not made, one in essence (homoousia) with the Father”. Decades of Controversy The Council of Nicaea did not pacify the controversy but instead fueled it. Everyday people were informed and argued about the various positions in the streets, baths, and marketplaces. Three Main Parties Homoousions (Athanasius) Anomoeans (Eunomius) Homoians (Acacius) Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373) 326 - Became bishop of Alexandria Took up mantle of Alexander and fought tirelessly for the eternal Son position and homoousios Repeatedly deposed and exiled from Alexandria Spent at least 15 years in exile of his 45 year bishopric Used violent speech and physical violence to defeat his enemies Anomoeans Believed the Son was not like the Father Most famous representative was Eunomius. Strong subordinationists 357 - Second Creed of Sirmium Homoians Believed the Son was like the Father but not the same substance Constantinople was a homoian stronghold for decades prior to 381. 360 - Council of Constantinople produced a homoian Three Cappadocians Basil of Caesarea (330-379), Gregory of Nyssa (335-395), Gregory of Nazianzus (329-390) Added in the Holy Spirit as worthy of worship and honor with the Father and Son Used terminology of three persons (hypostases) in one substance (ousia) 381 Council of Constantinople Attended by only 150, none from the West (thus not ecumenical) Not considered a definitive council in its time Produced the language recited in churches even to this day The Constantinopolitan Creed is often wrongly called the Nicene Creed today. The State Church Emperor Theodosius decreed that all “Catholic Christians” had to accept the Trinity as defined at Constantinople in 381. 384 - Removed Altar of Victor from Senate in Rome Outlawed pagan sacrifices Widespread destruction of temples 388 - Marriage of Christians and Jews prohibited 399 - Country temples were destroyed. 408 - Only Catholic Christians can serve in the palace. 415 - Pagans barred from military and civil service The Constantinian shift was now complete. Review At the Council of Nicaea in 325, emperor Constantine introduced the theologically problematic word "homoousios" into the controversy over the Son's origin and substance. The original Nicene Creed did not mention three persons in one God, nor did it define the Holy Spirit. The theological civil war that Nicaea caused raged on for another 56 years (at least), as council after council favored different positions. The three main parties in the battle were homoousions (Nicenes), anomoeans (Arians), and homoians (Semi-Arians). Athanasius of Alexandria led the charge for the homoousions, attacking his theological enemies with viscous words, malicious politicking, and physical violence. Successive emperors supported different theological factions throughout the fourth century, swinging imperial favor back and forth. Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus (the three Cappadocians) developed the full-blown Trinity theory, including the Holy Spirit as worthy of equal worship and honor. Although it was not ecumenical nor well-attended, the 381 Council of Constantinople defined the doctrine of the Trinity many are familiar with today. Emperor Theodosius enforced the Constantinopolitan Creed for all "Catholic Christians" in his domain, limiting religious freedom for non-Trinitarians, pagans, and Jews. Theodosius completed the Constantinian shift by officially merging one brand of Christianity with the state.

Daybreak
Daybreak for April 10, 2023

Daybreak

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2023 51:37


Monday in the Octave of Easter Saint of the Day: st. Michael de Sanctis, 1591-1625; joined the Trinitarian Friars at Barcelona in 1603; later joined the reformed group of Trinitarians; ordained, and served as superior of the house in Valladolid; known for his sanctity and ecstacies during mass; many miracles were attributed to him after his death, at the age of 35; patron of cancer patients Office of Readings and Morning Prayer for 4/10/23 Gospel: Matthew 28:8-15

CRUSADE Channel Previews
Wisdom Wednesday: Saint John Matha And The Incredible Story Of Skanderbeg Hero Saint Of The Albanians with Brother Andre Marie

CRUSADE Channel Previews

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2023 62:54


Special Guest Brother Andre Marie Host of ReConquest aired only on the Crusade Channel Follow Brother Andre Marie on GAB and Twitter - @Brother_Andre Saint of the Day - Janet Huxley  Saint John of Matha - He was the cofounder with Saint Felix of Valois, in 1197, of the Order of Trinitarians for the redemption of Catholic captives who were taken by the Mohammedans. Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg (1405-1468) - On 28th November 1443 during a campaign against the Hungarians, Skanderbeg deserted the Ottoman Army along with 300 Albanians under his command; He took control of Kruje castle by using a fake letter from the Sultan which gave him control of the area.  Once established he declared to be in revolt against the Ottomans and took the double headed eagle as his flag which had long been used in the Balkans and was to become the basis of the Albanian flag. Skanderbeg worked quickly to gather support by marriage and diplomacy and united many of the Albanian princes in 1444 in the League of Lezhe. Skanderbeg quickly formed a mobile force which used hit and run tactics against the Ottoman forces making use of the mountainous terrain and local support. The league could field about 18,000 troops but only about 4000 were under Skanderbeg's direct command. Usury broadly defined is interest on any loan. The Church has steered clear from this for a very long time on this issue. Usury is the economic system of the West. Most of our economies are based on usury. Given the fluidity of modern economics and the reality of this constant inflation the value - there isn't an objective standard to the value of money. Crude Example - you lend me $1,000 and then you said pay me back 1 year from now no interest. If I give you $1,000 a year from now you lost money b/c the money is worth MORE in the year. If the farmer is accumulating capital that he will need year over year to farm, and he has leftover at the end of one year and sells for profit, that is NOT usury b/c it is a product of his labor. Economics for Helen - https://shop.mikechurch.com/product/economics-for-helen/ The Usurer gets his money not matter what. AUDIO/VIDEO: SOTU Address - Congress must restore the right that was taken away w/ Roe v Wade. We are doing everything we can to safeguard healthcare and reproductive rights. Defending liberty maximumly, then denying that killing babies and denying them the right to live is…. When you pursue what you CALL freedoms - that isn't freedom that is enslavement. We understand this intuitively when we see a drug addict. We don't understand it when it comes to sexual sins. They are blinding on the soul they darken our intellect in a way it can lead to spiritual blindness. WE don't want to see the truth, we can't see the truth. We have a complete political class that is blinded by their sexual sins. AUDIO/VIDEO: Gov Sarah Huckabee Sanders on SOTU - Most American's want to live in peace but we are caught in a culture war we didn't start. Every day we are told we must partake in their rituals, salute their flags & worship their false idols. The soon to be married living in an inappropriate state. Living together before marriage.

Apostolic Life in the 21st Century
How Do Oneness Pentecostals Explain Paul's Greetings?

Apostolic Life in the 21st Century

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 5, 2022 12:09


Paul's epistles typically open with a greeting that refers to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. For example, in Romans 1:7 Paul wrote, “Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.” Trinitarians argue that the wording of these greetings is evidence of a distinction between members of the Godhead. How do Oneness Pentecostals respond to this assertion?Dr. David K. Bernard addresses this question by examining these passages from the perspective of Paul's first-century readers. His response makes it clear that there is no distinction of persons between the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ.If you enjoy this podcast, leave a rating and a review on iTunes or your preferred podcast platform. We also greatly appreciate it when you share Apostolic Life in the 21st Century with your family and friends.

Dr. James White on SermonAudio
Some Insights for Home Schoolers and Whether Calvin Produced Anti-Trinitarians

Dr. James White on SermonAudio

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 24, 2022 63:00


A new MP3 sermon from Alpha and Omega Ministries is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: Some Insights for Home Schoolers and Whether Calvin Produced Anti-Trinitarians Subtitle: The Dividing Line 2022 Speaker: Dr. James White Broadcaster: Alpha and Omega Ministries Event: Podcast Date: 11/23/2022 Length: 63 min.

Alpha and Omega Ministries
Some Insights for Home Schoolers and Whether Calvin Produced Anti-Trinitarians

Alpha and Omega Ministries

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2022 63:00


Snuck a program in just before Thanksgiving and our next road trip, which begins Friday. Had some material for our home school kids, and then talked about how we read Scripture. Lord willing, see you all again next week from the road-

Alpha and Omega Ministries
Some Insights for Home Schoolers and Whether Calvin Produced Anti-Trinitarians

Alpha and Omega Ministries

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2022 63:00


Snuck a program in just before Thanksgiving and our next road trip, which begins Friday. Had some material for our home school kids, and then talked about how we read Scripture. Lord willing, see you all again next week from the road-

One God Report
85) Is Jesus a God Man in the Gospel of John? (Response to Answers in Genesis, Part 3)

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2022 31:41


This episode is part 3 of my response to an article posted by Answers in Genesis, which reviewed several of my blogposts about the supposed “deity of Christ”. Part 1 of my response is called “Jesus Can't be a Mere Man” Part 2 is called ““Jesus HAD TO BE a (Mere) Man, the Bible Tells Me So” In this episode I review three claims in the Answers in Genesis, all which involve verses from the Gospel of John that Trinitarians believe are evidence that Jesus is literally God, or more specifically, one member of a three-person god. In each case, the Trinitarian arguments are weighed and found wanting. The topics and verses and time stamps are as follows: 0:00 – Review and Introduction to the current episode 2:59 – “Did Jesus become a Man?” John 1:1 and John 1:14 12:26 – “Did Jesus Pre-exist”? John 17:5, a recollection of a divine being or expression of trust of the man Christ Jesus? 21:48 – “Did Thomas Call Jesus God”, John 20:28. My Lord and my God, Trinitarians get it Wrong. Related links: AIG article: https://answersingenesis.org/who-is-god/the-trinity/refuting-unitarian-errors-deity-jesus/?fs=e&s=cl&fbclid=IwAR0LP267XtZkSNsjvNcDzEhyqe7Tk0SI4YSuyRq6PtKseenb1QIYoKgG224 “Jesus Can't be a Mere Man” https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/UgADHWPAGub “Jesus HAD TO BE a (Mere) Man, the Bible Tells Me So” https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/Uor1bWPAGub “The Word Became Flesh: Why John 1:14 does NOT say that Jesus Became Man” https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-word-became-flesh-why-john-114-does.html If Jesus Pre-existed, He wasn't Human https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2019/06/if-jesus-pre-existed-he-wasnt-human.html My Lord and My God, Trinitarians Get it Wrong https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2019/12/my-lord-and-my-god-trinitarians-get-it.html Jesus is Worshipped So He Must be God https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2021/06/jesus-is-worshipped-so-he-must-be-god.html Did Jesus Raise Himself from the Dead https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2020/04/did-jesus-raise-himself-from-dead-john.html Tips for Talking to Trinitarians about John 1 (Part 1) https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/7i3bNXPAGub #Deityofchrist, #trinity, #gospelofjohn, #john1, #100%man, #answersingenesis, #billschlegel, #simonturpin, #sonofgod

The Church Split
Ep 175 - The Trinity and Salvation (Responding to The Gospel Truth with Marlon Wilson)

The Church Split

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2022 102:30


We respond to an episode of The Gospel Truth and Marlon Wilson where Marlon made comments on an episode we aired in April 2022. The point of contention, from Marlon's perspective, was over what we believe is necessary for someone to be saved. We respond to Marlon's logic and comments as well as give our perspective on the requirements for salvation as well as reassert that we are in fact Trinitarians.

The Church Split
Ep 180 - How to Better Defend the Trinity

The Church Split

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2022 93:33


There have been several accusations falsely claiming we are not Trinitarians so we figured we might as well do an episode explicitly defending the Trinity while also revealing the bad arguments we have seen Trinitarians using to defend their views. We walk through the bad arguments and well-meaning proof texts we have heard. We then go through much better arguments from scripture for the Trinity while discussing what kind of push back you may receive from non-trinitarians.

One God Report
82) Tips on Talking to Trinitarians about John 1 (Part 3): the Word became Flesh

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2022 33:29


In this episode we focus on John 1:9-18. In Part 1 one we saw that “in the beginning” of John 1:1, while being a parallel to the Genesis creation, refers directly not to the Genesis creation but to the new beginning that God brings about through the man Jesus, who is metaphorically called “the Word”. In Part 2 we focused on how God in the statement “and the Word was God” is the Father. In this Gospel Jesus declared consistently that it was the Father who dwelt in him who did His, the Father's works. Never in this Gospel is there a “God the Son” or a “God the Word” in Jesus. Time stamps for the current episode, Part 3: 00:17 Review of Parts 1 and 2, and introduction to Part 3 02:23 John 1_9-13, “the world” is not planet earth or the universe. The “world” that came to be in John's Gospel is a segment of human society. Verses 9-13 relate to the coming to be, the birth, of God's children, a new community of God. 04:45 John 1_14, “the Word became flesh”. Is this a statement about “incarnation” or a transformation of essence? Is trans-naturism or trans-essence any more a biblical idea than trans-genderism is? Perhaps these ideas are of the same spirit? Consideration of what the word “became” means. The translation, “So the Word was flesh”. Or, if a change or difference is implied, perhaps a change in method. Hebrews 1_1-2 – God spoke in different ways in past times, but in these latter days He has spoken by a son. That is, by a human being, flesh. John 1_14 begins a new paragraph which is a review and expansion upon information already given. In verses 1-13 the man Jesus (the Word, Light) has been compared to the man John the Baptizer, who was not the Light. A short statement about the conception or birth of Jesus (no where else detailed in John's Gospel) is out of place after a summary of the ministries of the Baptizer and John has been presented. The glory of the Word is from the Father, or originates from the Father. 16:18 John 1_15, More John the Baptizer and Comparison with Jesus! More evidence that the Prologue is not about the Genesis creation. 16:55 John 1_17, Jesus parallel to Moses, through whom both came good things. Moses and Jesus were the channels for these good things, but not the source. The source was God. 17:11 John 1_18 Is the Triune god in John 1? Why do Trinitarians appeal immediately to John 1 when the God of John 1 is not Triune? The “deity of Christ” appeal to John 1. But in John 1, the Word is subordinate to, and dependent upon his God. The Word is not co-eternal with God. The Word has an origin outside of itself. No one has ever seen God, but thousands of people say Jesus Christ. Textual variants of John 1_18, in each case Jesus (the son, unique one, begotten god) who is at the Father's side, is subordinate to the God. 23:32 The context of John's entire Gospel considered. An interpretation of John 1 must be consistent with the entire Gospel. Jesus is a man who told the truth that he heard from God (8:40), who did nothing on his own authority or initiative (5:19, 5:30, 8:28, 8:44). He differentiates himself from God (14:1, etc.). Jesus has a God, the same God as the apostles (20:17). Jesus in the Gospel of John said the Father is the only true God (17:3). The author of the Gospel stated that the reason he recorded the signs Jesus did was so that his readers would believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, that is, not God (20:31, 1:49). 23:48 Summary and Conclusions 31:01 Parallel between Paul in Acts 26_23 and John's Prologue. In the man Jesus, specifically in his life as being the firstborn from the dead, there is light to Israel and the Gentiles. As in John's Prologue, life is first, which gives light (which is the opposite order in Genesis).

One God Report
81) Tips for Talking to Trinitarians about John 1, Part 2. "the Word was God"

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 9, 2022 34:35


Tips for Talking to Trinitarians about John 1 (Part 2) The Word was God: what God? In the previous podcast, Part 1, we asked what “beginning” is directly being referred to in John 1:1, “in the beginning”. If this beginning refers to the new beginning that God is bringing about through life and ministry of the man Jesus of Nazareth, then Trinitarian or “deity of Christ” speculation about a second god-figure is misplaced and wrong. In this podcast we examine closer John 1:1 “and the Word was with God and the Word was God”. The focus of “and the Word was God” is, which God, or who? Trinitarians and “deity of Christ” believers insist that it was “God the Son”, or “God the Word” in Jesus. But this claim explicitly contradicts Jesus and the author of the Gospel of John who declare it was the Father in Jesus. If “God” in the phrase “the Word was God” is the Father, Trinitarianism and “deity of Christ” speculation is dead. Time stamps: 00:18 Additional follow-up comments about “in the beginning” en arche in Greek. 02:21 Introduction to the current podcast 03:28 All “deity of Christ” interpretations of Scripture passages attempt to eliminate the human person, Jesus the Christ from Nazareth. 05:02 The Word was With God. Parallels to Moses. Contrast with John the Baptist. The Logos (Word) is differentiated from God (not just “the Father”) two times in the first two verses of John's Gospel. 07:21 The Word was God. Is this an ontological statement about the deity of a second God figure? Trinitarians change the meaning of “God” in John 1:1, even though the first occurence is separated from the second occurrence only by the word “and” kai. For Trinitarians, “God” in John 1:1c can not be the Father. 11:12 God is the Father in the Gospel of John, and in John 1;1c 12:19 Who is God in the Gospel of John? The Father. The Gospel says that it is the Father in Jesus, John 10_38, 14_9-10 (14_9-20). 16:31 The Word was God the Father, in action - God the Father at work. 17:26 Using the Bible, the Word of God, as in illustration of “the Word was God”. 18:21 The “Logos was God” means “God the Father in action”. The Father's presence, power, manifestation, and the Father being represented (agency). 24:34 The tendency of Gentiles to understand “was God” as relating to essence or being. 25:35 The Word is not the source of creation or redemptive regeneration. The Father is the source of His word. The Word is the channel or instrument. 26:08 Confirmation in passages like 2 Cor. 5_18-19 that God the Father was at work in Christ. 26:56 Reasons why the human person Jesus is called the Word. 30:15 The Logos (Jesus the Christ) is compared to Moses in John's prologue. Neither Moses nor Jesus were the original source of what they brought, but were channels. The Torah came through Moses. Grace and truth came through Jesus the Christ. But Jesus was not the original source of grace and truth. 31:31 Summary and Conclusion

All Things Theology
The Truth About Marcus Rogers Theology

All Things Theology

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2022 80:20


#MarcusRogers continues in a few things... deleting videos and deny the Spirit as a person. He is very confused on what Trinitarians means by this and is willfully ignorant. We go through why he deleted this video and analyze it biblically! Get your thinking caps on! #Trinity #holyspirit Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/7rCYh5... Itunes: https://music.apple.com/us/album/womb... Subscribe & click

One God Report
80) Tips on Talking to Trinitarians About John 1 (Part 1)

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 26, 2022 25:35


In this episode I give some tips on discussing John 1 with Trinitarians. The man Jesus the Christ is called the Word in John 1:1 because through him God is bringing about new human life, the renewed creation. "The beginning" of John 1:1, while being a parallel to Genesis creation, is not directly describing the Genesis creation. The topic of the Gospel is not the creation of the heavens and the earth, dry land and seas, etc., but the redemption and renewal of humans that comes through the man Jesus Christ. There is no need to speculate about another “second” divine figure present and involved with the Genesis creation. Notes for this episode: “In the beginning” In the Gospel of John “the beginning” refers to the beginning of the ministry of Jesus (John 8:25, 15:27, 16:4). The other Gospels have a “beginning” that is also associated with the beginning of Jesus and his ministry (Mark 1:1, Luke 1:1-2, Matthew 1:1, cf. Acts 1:1, 1:22-23) The phrase “in the beginning” must be interpreted in its context. Other places where the exact same phrase, “in the beginning” is used in the NT but in which is does not refer to the Genesis creation: Acts 11:15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at/in the beginning.” Phil. 4:15, “in the beginning of the Gospel, when I left Macedonia”. In 1 John 1:1 the beginning concerning the word of life involved something and someone the apostles heard, saw and touched, the man Jesus. It makes sense that God is doing something with and in Jesus that has continuity with what God has done in the past, but is “new” with Jesus. New beginning, New Creation John 1 is about the coming to be of new life, new individual and corporate human life, not about the creation of the heavens and the earth, the seas, dry land, plants and animals. In John 1, the man Jesus Christ is the one through whom new life comes to be, through whom new men and women are born. Evidence that John 1 is not about Genesis creation, but about God's bringing about new life in the man Jesus: 1. “that which came to be in him was life (1:3b-4a). The subject of what came to be is not seas, dry land, plants, animals, planets, stars, sun, etc. But human life, individually and corporately. “corporately” because the word “world” in 1:9-10, is not planet earth. It is a word which means a segment of human society. John 1 is about life for humans, how a person can be “born of God”, and to be part of the family of God (1:12-13). 2. “life was the light of men” Although Genesis creation language is being intentionally used, this is not Genesis creation life and light. In Genesis, light comes first and then life. In John 1:4, life comes first, in which is light for all men. 3. John the Baptist in vs. 6-9, 15, and a comparison in vs. 1-2. The whole prologue can be understood as a clarification of the relationship between the man Jesus and John the Baptizer. The rest of John 1 as well clarifies the relationship of John the Baptizer and Jesus. 4. Parallels with other Gospels “beginning”, and with Paul (Col. 3:12-18) and Revelation (1:5, 3:14) describing Jesus as being “the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of God's creation”. If John 1 is about the redemption, the new beginning that God is bringing about in and through the man Christ Jesus, there is no need to speculate about a second divine figure or second God who was involved in the Genesis creation. Next episode we plan to look at how to interpret statements like John 1:1 “the Word was God” from the new creation interpretation perspective. Links: UCA Conference, October 13-15, 2022, Lawrenceville, OH https://www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/conference/ #newcreation, #gospelofjohn, #deityofchrist, #unitarianchristianalliance, #biblicalunitarian, #billschlegel

One God Report
76) The Trinity's Disappearing Essence

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2022 10:20


Trinitarian theologians have insisted that God is one by claiming that the Trinity is three persons in one essence (White, The Forgotten Trinity, 24; Sanders, The Triune God, 121). This is supposedly how three can be one. James White, a modern Trinitarian apologist, says that the Trinity is three whos (persons) in one what (essence). But this description of the Trinity given by Trinitarians directly contradicts and testifies against their other core belief drawn that God became flesh. If God, or any person of the one God, became flesh, then God has two natures. Trinitarianism has created a contradiction between its two core doctrines: 1. God is one because they (or it) are one essence. 2. God became a second essence. Trinitarians insist their god has only one nature, while insisting their god has two natures. Which is it? Are we to believe that God has one nature or two natures? Biblical theology and Christology should not be a magic trick. “Look! One nature. Now look, two natures! See, one essence! Now two essences!” If God the Son took on flesh, how many natures does the Trinity have? I'm not asking about how many natures “God the Son” has, but how many natures does the tri-personal god have? The standard explanation for 1600 years has been that the Trinitarian god is three persons in one essence? That definition rejects the idea that God became flesh. That definition also denies the humanity of Jesus. When talking about God, the tendency for Trinitarianism is to forget about or remove the human nature from God. If the Trinity is “three persons in one essence”, Jesus is no longer flesh. Even the abstract “humanity” of Jesus is eliminated. By its very own definition of who or what the Trinity is, Trinitarianism eliminates the “humanity”, the “flesh” of Jesus the Messiah. If one member of a godhead became flesh, then God has two natures and the Trinitarian claim that God is one essence fails. Trinitarianism is also an attack on the personal-ness of God, an attack on the Fatherhood of God. The claim "three persons in one essence" means the one God is not a personal Father, but is rather an "it" and "essence", or a "force". The one God of Trinitarianism is not a person, but an it. #trinity, #deityofchrist, #jameswhite

BreakForJesus with Robert Breaker
BFJ 156: The Biblical Doctrine of The Godhead or The Trinity

BreakForJesus with Robert Breaker

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 25, 2022 78:02


Learn about the Biblical doctrine of the Godhead, which also is called the "Trinity," and how it's ONE GOD in three, but those three are ONE (as it clearly says in 1 John 5:7). He also warns of those who are Anti-Trinitarians, as well as those who are Trinitarians, but then they mix that sound, bible doctrine with SYMBOLS of WITCHCRAFT! What??? This sermon is preached by Robert Breaker from TheCloudChurch.org (06/16/2022) and uses the Authorized King James Bible.

Parker's Pensées
Ep. 171 - Solving Apparent Contradictions in the Doctrine of the Trinity w/Dr. Chris Tweedt

Parker's Pensées

Play Episode Listen Later May 26, 2022 80:25


"Trinititarians are charged with at least two contradictions. First, the Father is God and the Son is God, so it seems to follow that the Father is the Son. Trinitarians affirm the premises but deny the conclusion, which seems contradictory. Second, the Father is a God, the Son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, but the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit. This argument seems to entail that there are three Gods. Again, Trinitarians affirm the premises but deny the conclusion." Dr. Chris Tweedt helps me think through these two problems for Trinitarians and provides a novel solution to them which is compatible with divine simplicity. Find more from Dr. Tweedt here: https://christweedt.com/ If you like this podcast, then support it on Patreon for $3, $5 or more a month. Any amount helps, and for $5 you get a Parker's Pensées sticker and instant access to all the episode as I record them instead of waiting for their release date. Check it out here: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/parkers_pensees If you want to give a one-time gift, you can give at my Paypal: https://paypal.me/ParkersPensees?locale.x=en_US Check out my merchandise at my Teespring store: https://teespring.com/stores/parkers-penses-merch Check out my blog posts: https://parkersettecase.com/ Check out my Parker's Pensées YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYbTRurpFP5q4TpDD_P2JDA Check out my other YouTube channel on my frogs and turtles: https://www.youtube.com/c/ParkerSettecase Check me out on Twitter: https://twitter.com/trendsettercase Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/parkers_pensees/ Time Is Running by MusicLFiles Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/6203-time-is-running License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/parkers-pensees/support

One God Report
73) Trinity, Preferred Pronouns: He/Him (Woke-ism in Trinitarian Thought and Language)

One God Report

Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2022 25:11


This episode exposes the progressive liberalism, indeed “woke-ism” of Trinitarian thought and language. While Trinitarians insist that God is three persons, Trinitarians insist on referring to God with the singular pronouns “He/Him.” But if God is three persons, they should be referred to with the plural pronouns “They/Them.” The “one-ness” of God, according to Trinitarians, is not a one-ness of a person, but a one-ness of an essence or a “what”. An “essence” or a “what” is not a person and should not be referred to as a person. The Trinitarian one-ness of God is an “it”. James White in his book The Forgotten Trinity says “We dare not mix up the what and the who's regarding the Trinity” (p. 24). But white does exactly that. He refers to the three persons of his god with the singular pronoun “he”. White mixes up the what and who of his Trinitarian god. Links for this episode: MN Churches of God Spring 2022 Conference, June 10-12 “New Creation in the Gospel of John”, Guest Speaker: Bill Schlegel https://mncogconference.org/?fbclid=IwAR26LHq58LcVpT93ErxriNpxmY1GcrNhLxMqMj3mMoOQZ6LTajMw6OhzYJs Schedule: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5464e6b5e4b0e15e60967771/t/628019ded8316c4d2f2844ab/1652562398856/2022+Spring+Conference+Schedule.pdf #JamesWhite, #TheForgottenTrinity, #FredSanders, #TheTriune God

#STRask with Greg Koukl
Can Non-Trinitarians Be Saved?

#STRask with Greg Koukl

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 28, 2022 26:33


Questions about whether the heresy of modalism prevents salvation and whether the greetings in the apostles' letters that don't reference the Holy Spirit are evidence the early church didn't teach the Holy Spirit is a person. Is modalism a heresy that prevents followers from being saved, and if so, what is it about it that is spiritually fatal to salvation, and what about those who don't know it's a heresy? Do the greetings in the apostles' letters that don't include references to the Holy Spirit count against the idea that the early church taught the Holy Spirit is a person?

Unitarian Christian Alliance
52. The Company of Others - Patrick Navas

Unitarian Christian Alliance

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 13, 2022 40:48


Favoring explicit over implicit interpretations, author Patrick Navas has journeyed from debate to seeking fellowship. RESOURCES Pslams 110 - A song to the king 1 Chronicles 29:20 - Worship to both God and the King Mormons The Gideons International John 3:16 - For God so loved... Jehovah's Witnesses Churches of Christ Book: Divine Truth or Human Tradition - Patrick Navas Book: The God of Jesus in Light of Christian Dogma - Kegan Chandler 2. Mother Disrupted - Hildy Chandler (Part 1) CLOSING REMARKS Events, being sure you get your UCA email, "watching" this podcast, comment from Tyler, on suggesting this podcast to Trinitarians, and the host is hauled away by Stormtroopers. EPISODE INDEX (00:50) Triumphal entry (02:15) The Jews were worshiping a man (04:38) Interview (05:19) Earliest spiritual experience (06:05) Jehovah's Witnesses (07:00) Suspect teachings (07:24) JW exclusive authority, 1914 (08:52) The more explicit teachings (09:56) Principle of insisting on particular interpretation (10:55) Explicit Biblical teachings (11:58) Schism based in identifying interpretations (12:29) Birthdays (13:25) Giving energy the less explicit (14:35) Difficulty of having ties (16:29) Church of Christ (17:14) Patrick's book (18:31) The book's source, approach (19:38) Book is still in print (20:16) Sales and email feedback (22:01) The book's content (22:33) Desire to fellowship (23:56) UCA conference reflections (24:54) Needing togetherness (26:38) What lit the fire under him (28:25) The release of UCA session video (29:37) Division on pre-existence (31:26) Commonality of the rejected (33:08) Stages of the journey (34:06) Events (34:52) Getting UCA emails (36:11) Watching the podcast (37:01) Comment from Tyler (38:30) Recommending to others…Trinitarians? FEEDBACK Put the emphasis on the right syllables. Say your first name and your state or country. "Hello y'all, it's Joe...from my kitchen. Where you get them Stowarmtaroopers from?" Email podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 Or just record yourself and email me the audio file LISTENING TIPS Pauses and pacing are hand crafted, artisan efforts. If your podcast app lets you remove silences, please don't. You will enjoy this better with the silences left in. FOLLOW THE PODCAST The UCA Podcast email list! Large and enjoyable episode art, additional thoughts from the host, and notifications when there are delays. The UCA events listing. Keep up on what's coming up. Twitter @UCApodcast - Episode announcements Podcast Webpage: https://podcast.unitarianchristianalliance.org

Unitarian Christian Alliance
47. Be My Secret Heretic - Hannah Deane

Unitarian Christian Alliance

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 16, 2022 45:45


Navigating a degree from a Baptist Christian university, Hannah shares her tips, tactics, and heartfelt stories.  OPENING REMARKS What we are, one stadium in 70 thousand persons, graduating from seminaries lacking some details, the earliest Christian groups, sense for common folk, and dilapidated castles. RESOURCES 1. The Perilous Trinity Deep Dive 39. Reflections and Purpose Cedarville University Pleasant Hill Church of God St. Patrick's Bad Analogies Superheroes Can't Save You: Epic Examples of Historic Heresies, Todd Miles Liberty University 2 Corinthians 6:17 - Come out from among them The UCA Events list Holy Trinity drug information Paul Best, 17th century biblical unitarian and prisoner of conscience - Dr. Stephen Snobelen, 2021 UCA session video CLOSING REMARKS Superheroes book review request, a joke, UCA Events, Susan's note about the dangerous Trinity concoctions, UCA conference in the works, and the Trinity FastPass.  EPISODE INDEX (07:07) Interview (09:22) Trinity comes to church (10:23) Planning for college (14:46) Events at college (15:33) Roommate clandestine conversations (17:29) Heresy is a popular topic (18:22) Superheroes book (19:20) Would you serve with non-Trinitarians? (20:23) It's heresy, move on (21:34) NIV editor visits and acknowledges truth (22:49) Delighting in highlighting the Delighting book (23:44) Nicea and standing on the heretic (24:41) Ministry work, doctrinal statements (26:02) Tip on signing statement, not agreeing (26:56) Secret heretic (28:20) Becoming theologically bilingual (29:12) "Fair. . . " (29:31) Discouraged, isolated (30:26) Could you have gotten kicked out? (31:30) Advice for others (32:44) Being bold, gaining respect (33:57) The fear seen in others (34:38) Had to get away, cognitive dissonance (36:07) UCA conference reflections, younger folks (37:15) Future plans (38:27) Book review request (Superheroes) (39:48) Index talk (very meta, no?) (40:35) Joke! (41:16) Events! (41:44) Note from Susan, and the Trinity drugs FEEDBACK Can I get enough of your audio clips? Not likely. Say your name and where you're from. "Hi! I'm Phro Zen from Saskatchewan. You're humor warms my ire." Email podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 Alternatively, just record yourself and email me the audio file LISTENING TIPS Pauses and pacing are hand crafted, artisan efforts. If your podcast app lets you remove silences, please don't. You will enjoy this better with the silences left in, and probably at the original speed. FOLLOW THE PODCAST The UCA Podcast email list! Large and enjoyable episode art, additional thoughts from the host, and notifications when there are delays. Enhance your inbox. Twitter @UCApodcast - Episode announcements Unitarian Christian Alliance YouTube channel Podcast Webpage: https://podcast.unitarianchristianalliance.org