Podcasts about attuned practicing interdependence

To honor the life of beloved poet and beautiful human being Andrea Gibson, we're sharing their episode of the podcast again. Andrea's work, energy, vulnerability, and exceptional passion for life were inspiring for all of us on the Point of Relation team, and we were so sad to hear of their recent passing. In this conversation with Thomas, Andrea speaks from the heart about courageously embracing death and grief, the spiritually transformative power of facing your mortality, the absolute necessity of creative self-expression, and how to face the unknown with curiosity, wonder, and awe. And if you're not familiar with Andrea's work, we highly recommend you track down their books of poetry at your local bookstore, or visit: https://andreagibson.com✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Do your words always match your inner truth?In this short teaching, Thomas Hübl shares simple but effective practices to help you tune in to your own energy with presence and clarity so that you can express yourself with genuine intention. This type of energetic alignment is a powerful way to connect with your creative potential and express yourself with full embodiment.It's also a way to transform the communication in your relationships, and discover truths about yourself that previously remained hidden in your unconscious mind. We hope you'll tune in to help unlock your authentic voice and create more coherence in your life.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

What happens when we see our individual struggles reflected in humanity's collective crises? How does our individual healing create collective healing?This week, Thomas shares why we need to unearth the trauma that's deeply entrenched in our societies and cultures so that it can be processed, integrated, and transformed into growth. We may be familiar with this process in our own healing journey—now it's time to do the work as a collective.Thomas explores a technique that he calls “systemic sensing,” a way of feeling through archaeological and ancestral layers to bring regulation to the collective nervous system as we reckon with global challenges.This episode is an invitation to be a part of a global detox—a difficult but essential process that can generate post-traumatic learning, development, and even flourishing.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

What happens when we see our individual struggles reflected in humanity's collective crises? How does our individual healing create collective healing? This week, Thomas shares why we need to unearth the trauma that's deeply entrenched in our societies and cultures so that it can be processed, integrated, and transformed into growth. We may be familiar with this process in our own healing journey—now it's time to do the work as a collective. Thomas explores a technique that he calls “systemic sensing,” a way of feeling through archaeological and ancestral layers to bring regulation to the collective nervous system as we reckon with global challenges. This episode is an invitation to be a part of a global detox—a difficult but essential process that can generate post-traumatic learning, development, and even flourishing.   ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

“For complex PTSD, you have to establish a relationship. And only after trust has been established can you do the trauma-focused work.” This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Judith Lewis Herman, an author and senior lecturer in psychiatry and Harvard Medical School, to explore her groundbreaking work on the psychology and social and cultural aspects of Complex PTSD, or CPTSD. Unlike the better-known diagnosis of PTSD, CPTSD arises from prolonged, repeated trauma that erodes one's sense of self and ability to trust. So, how should we approach healing and therapy for this uniquely challenging diagnosis? Dr. Herman believes there is hope, and it comes from the healing power of relationships…a tough pill to swallow for those whose trauma arose from abusive or coercively controlling relationships. But therein lies the key to healing—a therapeutic bond where the patient's experience is validated, their safety is paramount, and trust is carefully built up through mutuality. But it's not just therapy where healing can occur. Thomas and Dr. Herman discuss the importance of acknowledgment for people who've experienced ongoing trauma and how lifting shame from victims and survivors and transferring it to the perpetrators is an essential shift with powerful healing potential. They also explore social movements, like the women's and civil rights movements, that can lead to helpful reforms and the development of new support systems for trauma survivors.   ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Are you tired of life feeling heavy, stuck in repetitive patterns dictated by the past?  This week, Thomas explores the revolutionary idea that life is a fluid, rewritable process. Discover how awakening to the Kundalini stream connects you to the ever-present flow of creation, allowing you to redefine existence by its pure presence, not a chain of cause and effect.  This journey is a continuous path of refining your present experience and embracing movement as the very essence of life, transforming daily challenges into powerful opportunities for deeper insight and presence.  Learn spiritual practices and integration tools to help you grapple with the heaviness of the world's karma, realign with divine creation, and experience profound abundance and freedom. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

“Nature positive is people positive. Without harmony with nature, there won't be a bright future for people.” This week, Thomas Hübl sits down with Marco Lambertini, the Convener of the Nature Positive Initiative, to explore humanity's deep, inherent connection to nature, what's at stake if climate destruction continues to accelerate, and what we can do to stop it. Marco's Nature Positive movement is working on actionable measures to reverse nature loss by 2030, bringing more forests, fish, and healthy ecosystems back to our planet. Despite the massive challenges we're facing, he believes that we have the understanding, technology, and means to achieve this goal, but we can't do it without both personal and systemic transformation. The future of our planet's ecosystem is intrinsically linked to our own well-being, economy, and future. This discussion is a powerful call to action, reminding us that this generation holds the historic opportunity to put humanity on a completely different, more harmonious course.   ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Can we approach discomfort and tension as opportunities for growth? Can humanity mature beyond divisive conflict? This week, Thomas is joined by much loved returning guest, NYT bestselling author, and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, to hash out the concerning fragmentation that feels inescapable right now and explore what we can do to combat it. As we face past and current collective traumas, massive information overload, and current events that overwhelm our nervous systems, it's not hard to see how we got here.  Thomas and Elise offer hopeful frameworks for navigating these challenges and bolstering our ability to hold tension, engage in mature disagreement, and ultimately, re-humanize each other through deeper understanding and self-regulation.  This goes beyond surface-level “wellness” to incorporate psychological, spiritual, and practical approaches that we can adopt to build a stronger foundation for our individual and collective futures. It's an inspiring conversation that we hope you'll tune in for. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas explores the foundational spiritual building blocks of life, with a particular focus on the concept of space. More than just a void that we occupy physically, space is a key element of life that we co-create. And we need space—for reflection, digestion, integration, and nervous system regulation. Get a bigger picture perspective on your spiritual journey and learn essential tools for connecting to your inner wisdom, resilience, compassion, and intelligence. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

What is Polyvagal Theory and how does it explain the science of feelings? This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Stephen Porges, a professor, author, and the originator of Polyvagal Theory. Dr. Porges' theory offers radical yet practical methods for calming our physical (or “biobehavioral”) states so that our mind can follow suit. Traditionally, the opposite approach has been the norm, but research increasingly indicates that the body should lead the charge. In this conversation, it's made clear that safety, connection, and co-regulation are essential for this type of nervous system regulation. Thomas and Dr. Porges explore what's needed to create an environment that supports healing, and how Polyvagal Theory enhances our ability to handle crises and heal trauma, anxiety, and physical ailments linked to nervous system dysregulation. Dr. Porges also shares a cutting-edge acoustic technique for trauma healing that could lead to a real paradigm shift in psychology and therapy.   ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

“The person doesn't have a soul, the soul has a person.” This week, Thomas goes deep in a spiritual teaching that explores the essence of the soul—an energy field that enfolds our consciousness and our life and is fundamentally connected to the collective and the planet.  Through embodied spiritual practice, we can become spacious enough to let in divine light, ground it in the physical world, and open ourselves to subtle capacities and deeper sensing. Using these practices, we also become more resilient to challenges, and can face uncertainty with creative energy instead of anxiety. Thomas also shares how embodied presence is essential to healing and helps to repair the fragmentation that trauma creates.   ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Can humanity's ethical and spiritual maturity catch up to our technological progress? Or will this gap in development lead to catastrophe? To explore our collective path forward, Thomas sits down with Dr. Roger Walsh, a Professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology, and the host of the Deep Transformation podcast. Their conversation mines the depths of our inner worlds, finding hope in the idea that kindness, generosity, and altruism are more inherent and natural to humans than selfishness, separateness, and over-consumption. Our civilization is at risk, but man-made crises can be unmade by deep collective learning, cultivating inner awareness, embracing ethical living, and integrating historical trauma. Thomas and Dr. Walsh draw insights from global wisdom traditions and share contemplative practices and practical steps that we can take to help humanity “level-up” our maturity and spiritual consciousness.   ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

What if there was a practice that helped us collectively witness and digest world events without becoming overwhelmed, indifferent, or numb? What if this practice could lead to new levels of collective healing? Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert to discuss this revolutionary practice, called Global Social Witnessing. Kosha is the CEO of the Pocket Project, a non-profit organization co-founded by Thomas that's dedicated to growing a culture of trauma-informed care. Global Social Witnessing addresses our current lack of societal rituals for processing traumatic world events. It offers a way to move beyond individual overwhelm to collectively face challenges with greater presence, compassion, and agency for positive change. It joins people across borders and cultures to co-regulate and bring an embodied awareness to our collective nervous system. And you can do it from the comfort of your own home! Kosha also shares details about the Pocket Project's upcoming Global Social Witnessing Facilitator Training, which you can learn more about here: https://pocketproject.org/global-social-witnessing-training/?ref=86   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

In this teaching, Thomas Hubl focuses on the heart as not just a physical organ but a central hub for emotional maturity, spiritual development, mind-body integration, and connection to universal intelligence. He offers a guided contemplative practice to lead you into the depth of your heart space so that you can listen deeper to your own truths, integrate mind and body, become a deeper listener for others, and better regulate your nervous system.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Can we metabolize our pain to create an entry point into liberation? How can spirituality support us in this process? This week, Thomas sits down with Buddhist minister, author, and activist Lama Rod Owens to share visions for collective liberation, the importance of reconnecting with Indigenous worldviews, sacred ecology, and unseen worlds, and strategies to overcome hopelessness and despair as we work to dismantle harmful systems. They explore the intersection of individual and collective trauma, the connection between spiritual awakening and social justice, and the importance of meeting suffering and discomfort with kindness and presence instead of bypassing it for short-term relief. It's a wide-ranging and inspiring conversation that bridges the mystical and the practical, and we hope you'll tune in. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Trauma makes it difficult to feel joy, but you CAN experience it again, even if you're in the early stages of your healing journey. This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of Unbroken and The Joy Reset, Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, to redefine joy, examine how trauma steals it from us, and explore how we can learn to let it into our lives again. Dr. McDonald has identified six “thieves of joy”—coping mechanisms that helped us to survive trauma and hardship, but now make it difficult to relax, let go, and feel the full spectrum of emotions. She shares strategies to release guilt, shame, and hypervigilance and allow good things to happen without bracing for the worst. Dr. McDonald's newest book, The Joy Reset: Six Ways Trauma Steals Happiness and How to Win it Back, is out now wherever books are sold.    Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas explores a holistic, interdependent approach to well-being to help us navigate uncertainty, manage stress, and become a source of stability for ourselves and those around us. In times of global uncertainty, it's essential that we come together—to pause, reflect, and reconnect. Thomas shares insights and practices to support us in cultivating the inner resilience needed to meet life's challenges with greater presence, clarity, and care. Now more than ever, we need resilience to remain grounded in stressful moments. Thomas explores how we can strengthen our ability to heal, adapt, and support others, creating a ripple effect that is felt by our friends, loved ones, and ultimately, the whole collective.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by Terry Real, an acclaimed family therapist, bestselling author, and the founder of The Relational Life Institute. Terry shares insights from his years of work with couples and families struggling to repair their relationships, and how practicing what he calls “Relational Mindfulness” is a game-changer for anyone whose past traumas are negatively impacting their current connections. As Terry explains, the work of relationships is not day-by-day; it's moment-to-moment. And in each challenging moment, we have a choice: give in to our knee-jerk reactions and maladaptive trauma responses, or take a step back so that a more mature part of ourselves can emerge.  When we choose presence, collaboration, and interdependence over reactivity, conflict, and toxic individualism, we don't just heal ourselves and our relationships—we stop the flow of intergenerational trauma in its tracks, and this dynamic shift becomes a part of our legacy.    Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by Debbie Levin, CEO of the Environmental Media Association, to discuss the role of media in shaping sustainability consciousness and how to effectively communicate about environmental issues. Debbie shares the importance of being gracious and non-judgmental when sharing knowledge on how to live a healthy, clean, and sustainable life. She explains how her organization has successfully leveraged celebrities' platforms to spread awareness on crucial environmental issues and how the “Emma Green Seal” has influenced TV and movie productions to operate more sustainably. She and Thomas also explore the impact of the LA fires on both the entertainment industry and the larger climate change dialogue. This conversation covers a range of pressing environmental issues, but ultimately concludes on a note of hopefulness–that we all want our families and loved ones to be safe and healthy, and we can make a difference by starting from that common ground. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas Hübl sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author Bayo Akomolafe to explore the leading edges of spiritual thinking and human identity. Bayo is a deeply experimental thinker, informed by the African cosmologies of the Yoruba and Igbo traditions. He leads an exploration into a new paradigm of healing that de-centers the individual to focus on the village, on the communal. He and Thomas discuss how modernity, especially in Western cultures, creates a false dichotomy between spirituality and science, pathologizes behavior that should instead be integrated, and offers a reductive, motionless view of the self. Bayo offers a different perspective, one in which the self or the psyche is always moving in an interconnected dance with our lineages, with evolution, and with the mysteries of the material realm. Bayo also explores how modern spiritual models contribute to systems of oppression, stressing the importance of spaciousness, non-conformity, and relationality in spiritual thinking and practice.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas and Zen teacher, mediator, and author Diane Musho Hamilton explore two key spiritual concepts—waking up and growing up— and why they're so crucial in our rapidly changing world. Diane shares personal stories of loss, challenge, and resilience, and how contemplative practice and emotional development became essential tools for navigating adversity.  They discuss spiritual practice, recognizing interconnectedness, and conflict resolution as necessary pathways for individual and collective growth. They also touch on the impact of technology, the importance of community, the role of ritual, and how healing personal trauma can scale up to have a larger social impact. Diane offers deep insights into consciousness and integration, the benefits and limits of meditation, and the vulnerability of spiritual communities when they lack tools to navigate conflict and manipulation. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas and award-winning reproductive justice and human rights leader Loretta J. Ross explore how we can address inequality, oppression, and hate in an atmosphere of political division and fast-paced technological progress. Loretta shares experiences that helped her form more effective strategies to solve social problems collectively and build inclusive movements that fight oppression with love, hope, and community instead of hate, anger, and vengeance. She and Thomas discuss the concept of “Calling In” – an accountability process that focuses on respect, engagement, and equal partnership, and how this is more effective than the adversarial “calling out” that we're used to. Loretta explains how this practice can help social justice movements embrace diversity of thought and stop destructive in-fighting.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas and Dr. Lisa Miller, a clinical psychologist, professor, and NYT bestselling author, explore humans' innate capacity for spirituality. Dr. Lisa explains how neuroscience and cutting-edge research help us understand our hard-wired drive for spiritual awareness and what these discoveries mean for the way we approach our spiritual journeys…and our entire lives. According to Dr. Miller, we're all receptive to transcendent relationships, we are all emanations of the same source, and there is hard science to back this up. She and Thomas discuss how connection with others can deepen our spiritual experiences and how important it is to align with life's natural rhythms. They also explore how trauma can be a pathway to spiritual growth and awakening, and Dr. Miller offers a guided practice for experiencing transcendence and awakening to our spiritual awareness. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by Mathieu Lefevre, co-founder of More In Common, to explore the growing polarization in society and the surprising ways in which we are actually more united than we think.  Mathieu discusses his extensive research on social divisions in the U.S. and Europe, revealing how social media and news media create a distorted mirror of reality that exaggerates our differences. He explains the concept of perception gaps, where people overestimate how extreme their opponents' views are, and offers insights on how to bridge these divides. Thomas and Mathieu examine the critical role of listening, intergroup contact, and shared spaces in fostering social cohesion. As climate change and other global challenges put increasing pressure on our collective resilience, we need new forms of collaboration and understanding so that we can move beyond toxic division and build a healthier, more connected society. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by author, artist, and founder and CEO of Adaptive Leadership, Zander Grashow, for a conversation on the type of leadership that's needed as humanity faces an unprecedented acceleration of social and technological change.  In order for us to meet this moment, we need to dismantle broken and corrupted systems, develop new social and relational skills, and collectively re-imagine the future that we want to work towards. This requires us to stay engaged despite the difficulty, and find our passion instead of leaning into despair. Zander offers his take on the most important elements of leading our societies into that better future—learning to feel into our bodies and our emotions, identifying what we must let go of, understanding the structures of power, creating safe spaces to digest events, and building more resilient social fabrics in community.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by educator, musician, activist, and creator of First Voices Radio, Tiokasin Ghosthorse. Tiokasin is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota, and shares deep wisdom from the Lakota worldview, language, and traditions. He and Thomas explore ways for us to redefine our relationship with Mother Earth, moving away from a mindset of separation and domination towards one of interconnectedness, mutual becoming, and intuition. Tiokasin shares how we can be more in tune with Earth's natural rhythm to become more present in the now and more connected to the future. The Indigenous way of being involves an openness to seeing and feeling our ancestors—not just our human ancestors, but also the earth itself. Tiokasin stresses the need for us to de-center humans in order to reconnect with nature, and demonstrates how understanding the living Lakota language can affect a cultural mindset shift in that direction. To watch the video version of this episode, visit:

Thomas Hübl and NYT bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, explore the nature of shadow, evil, and collective trauma from a mystical and spiritual perspective.  They discuss the impact of unprocessed pain and ancestral wounds, the obstacles we face as we work to integrate our individual and collective shadows, and the challenges (and benefits) of staying present in a world shaped by both light and darkness.  Elise poses profound questions about the moral qualities of evil, while Thomas offers insights into the interconnectedness of the human experience and what it means to take responsibility—both for your own actions, and for harms perpetrated by others that you have unwittingly benefitted from. ✨ Join us for a FREE, LIVE EVENT: Your Path to Renewal - How to Ground Your Body, Calm Your Mind, and Open Your Heart.  Together with our global community, Thomas will explore how to reconnect with our inner wisdom, restore balance, and rediscover a sense of creativity and freedom—even in life's most challenging moments.  Sunday, February 2, 2025 @ 11:30 am Los Angeles / 2:30 pm New York Sign up for free and submit a question for Thomas here:

Thomas is joined by Dr. Shefali, a clinical psychologist, bestselling author, and host of the Parenting & You podcast. Dr. Shefali is an expert on “Conscious Parenting,” an approach to raising children that focuses on the need for parents to identify and heal from their own traumas—especially childhood traumas—so that they don't pass on harmful patterns and behaviors to their kids. She and Thomas discuss the importance of creating emotional safety in parent-child relationships (and all relationships) in order to create an environment where a child, friend, or partner can be their authentic self. They also cover how to identify triggers and how being in touch with your physical body allows you to be more in touch with your emotions. Dr. Shefali stresses that sometimes growth requires a level of discomfort, and a relinquishing of control, but doing the hard work of becoming more present and self-aware is the best thing you can do for your children. ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Opening the doorway to transformation, Jack and Dr. Hübl explore spiritual discernment, identity, “central casting,” overcoming nervous system triggers, reframing trauma, and more.Transform your 2025 with Jack! Join “The Year of Awakening: A Monthly Journey with Jack Kornfield” a year-long online program beginning Jan 2025, but join anytime.The ‘wisdom of insecurity' is to learn that it's okay to feel insecure—that it's part of our human law—and to love anyway.” – Jack KornfieldIn Part 2 of this episode originally airing for Dr. Hübl's ‘Spiritual Healing Journey Summit,' Jack and Thomas mindfully explore:Spiritual community, idealism, disillusionment, and healing spiritual injuryJack's experience “pressure testing” his teacher Ajahn ChahTrading our “blind faith” for “spiritual discernment”Living in joy with a free heart amidst it allRam Dass, identity, and “central casting”Seeing past our identities/roles to our Divine Nature while still fully honoring themReframing “trauma” with Buddha's lens of sufferingHealing the nervous system and it's triggersExpanding our loving kindness to encompass all beingsWalking through the doorway of transformation and dissolving the cosmos into loveHow to deal with our trauma and learn to live with sufferingReaching out and healing the part of the world we can touchThe Bodhisattva vow as fostering the awakening of the heartOpening to the “wisdom of insecurity”“Spiritual practice is to remember your true divine nature, and also your social security number, your particular role which ‘central casting' has placed you in at this time.” – Jack Kornfield"Disillusionment is part of the spiritual path, baby. It is! You have to see with the eyes of the Buddha to see the truth of suffering and greed and hatred, and also see that it's not the end of the story, that that's not who you are." – Jack KornfieldAbout Thomas Hübl, PhD:Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.He is the author of Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. For more info, books, podcast, and upcoming offerings, please visit thomashuebl.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jack and Thomas explore how ritual serves as a powerful language for opening the heart and living joyfully through life's challenges.This episode is brought to you by Betterhelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/heartwisdom and get on your way to being your best self."Ritual and symbol become a gateway back to the heart to our deep connection. When we have that in spiritual life, things open up in a different way." – Jack KornfieldIn Part 1 of this episode originally airing for Dr. Hübl's ‘Spiritual Healing Journey Summit,' Jack and Thomas mindfully explore:How to live joyfully through difficult timesFinding the wonder of “everyday grace”Reducing suffering through spiritual practiceWestern Psychology and Eastern SpiritualityInterconnection and opening to the great web of beingRelational mindfulness and communal mindfulnessRitual as a language and gateway to the heartHow to talk with nature and speak for the treesThe transformation of having true mentors and guidesService, activism, and navigating burnoutPaying attention and listening to each other and nature"The nuclear waste of what you've been through can burn in some way that it becomes the fuel for energy and light. It gets transformed in the reactor of the heart and you have a power now." – Jack Kornfield“No amount of nanotechnology, A.I., space technology, or biotechnology is going to save us. Because the source of hatred, war, racism, conflict, exploitation, and climate disruption is in the human heart. That's where it starts and where it grows from. Therefore, the outer developments which are becoming really remarkable have to be matched by the inner developments of humanity.” – Jack KornfieldAbout Thomas Hübl, PhD:Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. He is the author of Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. For more info, books, podcast, and upcoming offerings, please visit thomashuebl.comTransform your 2025 with Jack! Join “The Year of Awakening: A Monthly Journey with Jack Kornfield” a year-long online program beginning Jan 2025! Join at bit.ly/Awakening2025See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Thomas is joined by Margaret Wheatley, a writer, teacher, speaker, and organizational consultant whose work focuses on summoning and training leaders who can step up to guide us in building new systems based on shared values, instead of trying to reform the destructive and corrupted systems that currently threaten life on this planet.  Thomas and Margaret start from the ground up, exploring how collectives and cultures emerge and how they operate, incorporating wisdom from science and biology. They focus on how different cultures define, experience, and approach trauma, and what we can learn from them. Drawing on her work in diverse international communities, Margaret believes that the human spirit can transcend its individual experience. Using support from community and lessons from spirituality, we can shake off the loneliness of trauma, unite to reclaim our spirits, and use whatever power and influence we possess for the good of all humans.   ✨ Registration is open for Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. This fall, join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register here:

Discover how to shift from trauma to loving awareness through mindfulness, conscious healing, and compassionate activism with Jack Kornfield and Thomas Hübl, PhD.This episode is brought to you by Betterhelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/heartwisdom and get on your way to being your best self.“Who you are is so much more than your trauma, you are consciousness itself.” – Jack KornfieldIn Part 2 of this episode originally airing for The Collective Trauma Summit in 2021, Jack and Thomas mindfully explore:Developing the skills to heal our traumaJack's time with meditation master, Maha GhosanandaThe powerful connection between activism and spiritualityAvoiding burnout, finding balanceTransforming from skeptical to mysticalNavigating the traumas in the Middle EastDigesting our traumasWaking up from auto-pilotExpanding your window of toleranceHow to face racism, war, economic disparity, the environment, etcMindfulness, consciousness, and loving awareness“The whole notion that spiritual practice doesn't have anything to do with activism is a fiction.” – Jack Kornfield“Every breath you take is the breath of the starlings and the breath of the earthworms and the soil. We're all inter-breathing it together. That's how it works, that's what life is.” – Jack KornfieldAbout Thomas Hübl, PhD:Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.He is the author of Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. For more info, books, podcast, and upcoming offerings, please visit thomashuebl.comOpen the Heart of Forgiveness with Jack Kornfield: A Journey of Redemption, Reconciliation and Renewal. Learn more and sign up!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Thomas is joined by Professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology, and host of the Deep Transformation Podcast, Roger Walsh. They dive deep into how each of us can leverage our unique skills and capacities to help solve the many crises humanity is facing. It can be overwhelming to view complex, interconnected problems like climate change, war, and political unrest, and feel like you're powerless to make a difference.  Thomas and Roger assert that we must be willing to face our fears, be present with our emotional responses, and understand the psychological and spiritual roots of these problems to affect meaningful collective change. Roger stresses that there are no simple, single solutions for individuals or the collective. But at the core of our distress is a deep compassion for humanity, and tapping into that compassion is a powerful activator for collective healing.   ✨ Registration is open for Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. This fall, join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register here:

Thomas discusses the importance of ancestral healing and explores how to develop a felt sense of connection with our ancestors. Connection is essential to healing, and connecting with both the wisdom and the unintegrated traumas of our ancestors helps us to be more present and grounded in our own lives, and accelerates our personal and collective healing.  Our ancestors have handed us a wealth of resources, and also a whole lot of unfinished business. Thomas explores how we can connect to the sacred spark of life that we've inherited, and feel into frozen areas of wounding and trauma so that we can heal them before they're passed on to our descendants. He explains how developing an ancestral awareness not only helps us to integrate the trauma that our ancestors could not, but also connects us more deeply with Mother Earth, allows us to be better stewards of our biosphere, and creates a healthier world for future generations to inhabit.   ✨ Join Thomas for a free, live teaching event: The In-Visible Ancestral Blueprint Have you ever wondered how ancestral healing could hold a major key to healing trauma and transforming our collective future? Join Thomas and a global community to explore the personal and spiritual growth that comes from understanding our ancestral blueprints. Discover how to heal the past, move beyond hyper-individualism, and create a brighter future for generations to come. Plus, learn about Thomas's upcoming LIVE course, The Ancestral Healing Code.  Get all the details and register for free here:

Thomas Hübl and New York Times bestselling author Elise Loehnen discuss the often misunderstood realms of shadow work and collective trauma. They explore how facing our inner darkness can lead to profound personal and societal transformation, and share practical insights on integrating the messy, painful parts of ourselves for spiritual growth and global healing. Without awareness, whatever is being suppressed in the deep layers of our collective shadow will be passed on to future generations. But by implementing new rituals and architectures of healing, we can transform stagnant energy into aliveness, creativity, ethical upgrades, and stronger collaboration across cultural divides. ✨ Join Thomas for a free, live teaching event: The In-Visible Ancestral Blueprint Have you ever wondered how ancestral healing could hold a major key to healing trauma and transforming our collective future? Join Thomas and a global community to explore the personal and spiritual growth that comes from understanding our ancestral blueprints. Discover how to heal the past, move beyond hyper-individualism, and create a brighter future for generations to come. Plus, learn about Thomas's upcoming LIVE course, The Ancestral Healing Code.  Get all the details and register for free here:

Thomas guides a meditation to help you drop into your body, embrace the sensations and emotions that arise, and use your awareness to help regulate your nervous system, open your heart space, and start to feel more grounded.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas Hübl explores the intricate relationship between trauma, healing, and spirituality. He explains that trauma is not defined by the events we experience but by our inner responses to overwhelming situations, often leading to emotional, mental, and even societal stagnation. He discusses how we can reintegrate the frozen parts of ourselves to support growth, creativity, and deeper connections, and how healing trauma opens us to deeper love and relational awareness.  With consistent spiritual practice, connection to community, and unwavering compassion for ourselves and others, we can face difficult challenges in our lives and overcome the illusion of separation to address critical global issues.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by human rights leader and co-founder of #BlackLivesMatter, Ayọ Tometi, to discuss the powerful connection between activism and healing. Ayọ shares her journey to becoming an activist and her perspective on collective healing, focusing on the power of storytelling and the importance of acknowledging our collective pain. She and Thomas explore how creating spaces for deep listening and shared experiences can transform communities, and practical ways to contribute to social change while fostering personal and collective well-being. Ayọ stresses the importance of feeling in order to heal, and shares strategies for maintaining levity and compassion while working in social justice or other emotionally overwhelming fields.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

Thomas is joined by Helena Norberg-Hodge, a bestselling author, filmmaker, and pioneer of the new economy movement. They discuss the fundamental importance of reconnecting with nature, local food systems, and community as antidotes to the damaging impacts of globalization. She shares her experiences working with Indigenous cultures and explores how localization not only heals people and places but also addresses major issues like climate change, food security, and social fragmentation. Together, they explore the intersection of systemic trauma, environmental sustainability, and the path toward a more interconnected and resilient future.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. He is the author of Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World, and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Hübl has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University/     What You'll Learn ●      How to reframe trauma. ●      How to recognize trauma responses. ●      How to heal the tensions in a family system. ●      Why it's important to connect spiritually.   Timestamps ·       [06:19] Defining trauma. ·       [10:49] Navigating recurrent stresses. ·       [16:31] Trauma in a family context. ·       [22:56] Control as a trauma response. ·       [28:06] Creating a frame of reference. ·       [37:21] Healing relationships. ·       [47:09] Exploring connections beyond us. ·       [58:29] What's possible for the future of humanity?   Memorable Quotes ·       “Trauma is an internal response […] within overwhelming and challenging situations.” – Thomas Hübl [07:25] ·       “One symptom of trauma is scarcity.” – Thomas Hübl [21:06] ·       “There's an intelligence in leaving.” – Thomas Hübl [36:19] ·       “Noise in the mind is stress in the body.” – Thomas Hübl [50:47]   Websites fambizforum.com. www.chrisyonker.com. thomashuebl.com. pocketproject.org.

In this solo episode, Thomas unravels the mysteries of attunement. Discover how this practice goes far beyond conventional emotional intelligence and continues into deeper connections and spiritual growth. Uncover the keys to transparent communication, trauma healing, and accessing subtle spiritual information for personal and collective transformation.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

In this special bonus episode, Thomas reads Verse 25 from the Tao Te Ching, offers his analysis, and shares how we can come back to living a life that is more informed by inner balance in a world that is often out of balance. This episode is dedicated to a cherished member of our team, the late Digo Delgado. His adventurous spirit, kindness, and laugh touched everyone who had the privilege of knowing him. We dedicate this episode in loving memory to Digo, with gratitude for all of his contributions and the time we shared.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

Thomas is joined by Buddhist teacher, Founder and head teacher of Upaya Zen Center, social activist, and author, Roshi Joan Halifax. They discuss Roshi Joan's pioneering work in end-of-life care, and how spirituality can inform and inspire more compassionate activism.  Roshi Joan shares her insights on how decades of practice have equipped her to navigate suffering with resilience, how compassion benefits both the giver and receiver, and the importance of embracing moral challenges with grace. She and Thomas also explore the importance of community, mindfulness, and meditation in healing trauma, and how this can lead to beautiful post-traumatic growth. ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

Some podcast apps may not display links from our show notes (see below) properly, so we have included a list of links at the end of this description. * Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change. In his most recent book, Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma, Thomas examines how our world's profoundly complex challenges demand a new level of human collaboration. * In this episode, Thomas is joined by CIIS faculty Drew Dellinger for an empowering conversation on healing our world through understanding our interconnectedness and healing our individual, ancestral, and cultural trauma. * This episode was recorded during a live online event on February 29th, 2024. You can also watch it on the CIIS Public Programs YouTube channel. A transcript is available at ciispod.com. To find out more about CIIS and public programs like this one, visit our website ciis.edu and connect with us on social media @ciispubprograms. * We hope that each episode of our podcast provides opportunities for growth, and that our listeners will use them as a starting point for further introspection. Many of the topics discussed on our podcast have the potential to bring up feelings and emotional responses. If you or someone you know is in need of mental health care and support, here are some resources to find immediate help and future healing: * -Visit 988lifeline.org or text, call, or chat with The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline by dialing 988 from anywhere in the U.S. to be connected immediately with a trained counselor. Please note that 988 staff are required to take all action necessary to secure the safety of a caller and initiate emergency response with or without the caller's consent if they are unwilling or unable to take action on their own behalf. * -Visit thrivelifeline.org or text “THRIVE” to begin a conversation with a THRIVE Lifeline crisis responder 24/7/365, from anywhere: +1.313.662.8209. This confidential text line is available for individuals 18+ and is staffed by people in STEMM with marginalized identities. * -Visit translifeline.org or call (877) 565-8860 in the U.S. or (877) 330-6366 in Canada to learn more and contact Trans Lifeline, who provides trans peer support divested from police. * -Visit ciis.edu/ciis-in-the-world/counseling-clinics to learn more and schedule counseling sessions at one of our centers. * -Find information about additional global helplines at befrienders.org. * LINKS * Podcast Transcripts: https://www.ciispod.com/ * California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) Website: https://www.ciis.edu/ * CIIS Public Programs YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/ciispublicprograms * CIIS Public Programs Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ciispubprograms/ * Mental Health Care and Support Resources: https://988lifeline.org/ https://thrivelifeline.org/ https://translifeline.org/ https://www.ciis.edu/ciis-in-the-world/counseling-clinics https://befrienders.org/

Thomas is joined by internationally recognized speaker, author, and expert in the field of attachment theory and trauma resolution, Dr. Diane Poole Heller. They discuss Diane's work in attachment theory, exploring how our early experiences with our caregivers affect our attachment styles, and what we can do to move into secure attachment in our relationships. Dr. Heller views trauma as a broken connection—with ourselves, our lives, the earth, or other people—and explains how therapists and healers can co-regulate and attune with their clients' nervous systems to create a safe environment for transforming trauma. Dr. Heller believes that we can interface with the energy of trauma in a way that doesn't cause overwhelm, and opens us to maturation, spiritual experiences, and changes in consciousness. She and Thomas also discuss how working collectively in a group amplifies healing, and how all therapists and healers are ultimately agents of grace. ✨ Join Thomas for Collective Resilience: Healing Together in Our Changing World. You're invited to join Thomas for a free, LIVE, online event to explore how collective healing can transform our response to current global challenges. Thomas will be joined by the hosts of our upcoming Collective Healing Conference to share insights on building resilience, strengthening connections, and creating positive change in our rapidly changing world. Register for free here:

Thomas shares deep insights into how we can embody the soul's wisdom and increase our capacity to be present and form a deeper alliance with life. He shares tools and practices for becoming more grounded and spacious in our daily lives, and in challenging situations, and how that gives us the courage, curiosity, and strength to turn difficulties into growth, expansion, and wisdom. He also offers embodiment practices to help us connect our physical and emotional data streams, creating a more coherent awareness of our internal processes, and increasing our natural intuition and capacity for change.  As Thomas explains, we are all part of an interconnected world, but trauma tends to create a sense of separation. Reconnecting to the essence of life helps us develop a deeper sense of ourselves so that we can achieve greater regulation and resilience. ✨ Join Thomas for Collective Resilience: Healing Together in Our Changing World. You're invited to join Thomas for a free, LIVE, online event to explore how collective healing can transform our response to current global challenges. Thomas will be joined by the hosts of our upcoming Collective Healing Conference to share insights on building resilience, strengthening connections, and creating positive change in our rapidly changing world. Register for free here:

Thomas is joined by global wellbeing and wellbeing economics expert, program facilitator, and researcher, Julia Kim. They discuss how Bhutan's holistic approach to economics, deeply rooted in spiritual and cultural values, prioritizes individual and collective happiness and wellbeing over profit and expansion of capital. Julia explains the concept of Gross National Happiness (GNH) in Bhutan, contrasting it with the more conventional measure of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and how this system is more regenerative than extractive, less driven by overconsumption, and leads to better outcomes for people and the environment. At a time of personal and collective trauma, burnout, and loss of hope, strengthening our capacity for inner wellbeing and authentic leadership is critical for enabling and inspiring wider organizational and systemic transformations.    ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by celebrated author, educator, and meditation teacher, Ruth King. They explore the profound responsibilities and perspectives that come with eldership and the importance of presence in guiding others. Ruth shares her wisdom on racial healing, the power of community, and the role of artistry as cultural medicine. She and Thomas explore the healing potential of mindful communication and the value of embracing impermanence to alleviate suffering. Ruth also shares reflections on integrating Buddhist Dharma teachings into social contexts and how words can heal when used with conscious intention.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by playwright, author, performer, activist, and creator of “The Vagina Monologues,” V (formerly Eve Ensler.) They discuss the profound impact of trauma and the power of healing through collective and community-based approaches. V shares her personal journey from a tumultuous childhood to becoming a global advocate for women's rights, emphasizing the transformative power of love, art, performance, and community in overcoming trauma and reckoning with the harms of patriarchy. They explore the revolutionary work of the City of Joy in Congo, and how its unique, supportive environment fosters healing and helps elevate women into community leaders. V's experiences in war zones and with victims of violence highlight the pervasive and normalized violence against women, influencing her life's mission to address this global issue. This conversation includes the topic of sexual abuse. While it is not the primary topic, and it is addressed with care and sensitivity, we wanted to offer this content warning for listeners who may not want to engage with this subject. ✨ Introducing Love, Trauma, and Relationships - a special course collaboration with Terry Real. Over 12 self-paced modules, you'll learn practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large, allowing you to break down the barriers to true intimacy. Enjoy two complete, online courses from Thomas and couples therapy expert Terry Real.

“I often ask, ‘so how beautiful are you when you need something?' I call this the beauty of needs. And it's amazing how many of us don't feel beautiful at all when we need something. Like all kinds of other things come up: I'm needy, I feel ashamed, I feel young, I feel afraid, I feel whatever, I feel ugly. Sometimes a hundred people raise their hand and say, I don't feel beautiful at all. But I think given what you said with the anger and the need, I think also the quality of shame, that we feel ashamed to ask because so often that wasn't appreciated and couldn't be contained and that we don't feel beautiful or we don't feel our dignity when we need something.”  So says Thomas Hübl, who you've likely heard on my podcast before. This conversation actually happened on his podcast, The Point of Relation, and we went so deep, we decided we needed to do a Part Two, which is coming to you next week. Thomas is the author of two excellent books on collective trauma and resonance: Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He does work all over the globe in geographic pockets where a lot has happened, helping people create containers to move the energy up and out. In this conversation, we talked about locating “bad” feelings in our bodies—specifically in the context of On Our Best Behavior—though the practices we discuss here are applicable to anything.  MORE FROM THOMAS HÜBL: On Pulling the Thread: Feeling into the Collective Presence” On Pulling the Thread: “Processing Our Collective Past” Thomas's Podcast, Point of Relation Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Thomas Hübl's Website Follow Thomas on Instagram To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices