Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

What if there was a practice that helped us collectively witness and digest world events without becoming overwhelmed, indifferent, or numb? What if this practice could lead to new levels of collective healing? Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert to discuss this revolutionary practice, called Global Social Witnessing. Kosha is the CEO of the Pocket Project, a non-profit organization co-founded by Thomas that's dedicated to growing a culture of trauma-informed care. Global Social Witnessing addresses our current lack of societal rituals for processing traumatic world events. It offers a way to move beyond individual overwhelm to collectively face challenges with greater presence, compassion, and agency for positive change. It joins people across borders and cultures to co-regulate and bring an embodied awareness to our collective nervous system. And you can do it from the comfort of your own home! Kosha also shares details about the Pocket Project's upcoming Global Social Witnessing Facilitator Training, which you can learn more about here: https://pocketproject.org/global-social-witnessing-training/?ref=86   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

In this teaching, Thomas Hubl focuses on the heart as not just a physical organ but a central hub for emotional maturity, spiritual development, mind-body integration, and connection to universal intelligence. He offers a guided contemplative practice to lead you into the depth of your heart space so that you can listen deeper to your own truths, integrate mind and body, become a deeper listener for others, and better regulate your nervous system.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Can we metabolize our pain to create an entry point into liberation? How can spirituality support us in this process? This week, Thomas sits down with Buddhist minister, author, and activist Lama Rod Owens to share visions for collective liberation, the importance of reconnecting with Indigenous worldviews, sacred ecology, and unseen worlds, and strategies to overcome hopelessness and despair as we work to dismantle harmful systems. They explore the intersection of individual and collective trauma, the connection between spiritual awakening and social justice, and the importance of meeting suffering and discomfort with kindness and presence instead of bypassing it for short-term relief. It's a wide-ranging and inspiring conversation that bridges the mystical and the practical, and we hope you'll tune in. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Trauma makes it difficult to feel joy, but you CAN experience it again, even if you're in the early stages of your healing journey. This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of Unbroken and The Joy Reset, Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, to redefine joy, examine how trauma steals it from us, and explore how we can learn to let it into our lives again. Dr. McDonald has identified six “thieves of joy”—coping mechanisms that helped us to survive trauma and hardship, but now make it difficult to relax, let go, and feel the full spectrum of emotions. She shares strategies to release guilt, shame, and hypervigilance and allow good things to happen without bracing for the worst. Dr. McDonald's newest book, The Joy Reset: Six Ways Trauma Steals Happiness and How to Win it Back, is out now wherever books are sold.    Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas explores a holistic, interdependent approach to well-being to help us navigate uncertainty, manage stress, and become a source of stability for ourselves and those around us. In times of global uncertainty, it's essential that we come together—to pause, reflect, and reconnect. Thomas shares insights and practices to support us in cultivating the inner resilience needed to meet life's challenges with greater presence, clarity, and care. Now more than ever, we need resilience to remain grounded in stressful moments. Thomas explores how we can strengthen our ability to heal, adapt, and support others, creating a ripple effect that is felt by our friends, loved ones, and ultimately, the whole collective.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by Terry Real, an acclaimed family therapist, bestselling author, and the founder of The Relational Life Institute. Terry shares insights from his years of work with couples and families struggling to repair their relationships, and how practicing what he calls “Relational Mindfulness” is a game-changer for anyone whose past traumas are negatively impacting their current connections. As Terry explains, the work of relationships is not day-by-day; it's moment-to-moment. And in each challenging moment, we have a choice: give in to our knee-jerk reactions and maladaptive trauma responses, or take a step back so that a more mature part of ourselves can emerge.  When we choose presence, collaboration, and interdependence over reactivity, conflict, and toxic individualism, we don't just heal ourselves and our relationships—we stop the flow of intergenerational trauma in its tracks, and this dynamic shift becomes a part of our legacy.    Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by Debbie Levin, CEO of the Environmental Media Association, to discuss the role of media in shaping sustainability consciousness and how to effectively communicate about environmental issues. Debbie shares the importance of being gracious and non-judgmental when sharing knowledge on how to live a healthy, clean, and sustainable life. She explains how her organization has successfully leveraged celebrities' platforms to spread awareness on crucial environmental issues and how the “Emma Green Seal” has influenced TV and movie productions to operate more sustainably. She and Thomas also explore the impact of the LA fires on both the entertainment industry and the larger climate change dialogue. This conversation covers a range of pressing environmental issues, but ultimately concludes on a note of hopefulness–that we all want our families and loved ones to be safe and healthy, and we can make a difference by starting from that common ground. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas explores the qualities of leadership and collaboration that are needed to heal collective trauma. He shares how each of us plays a unique role—like musicians in an orchestra—contributing our distinct talents to a larger symphony of healing and transformation. Thomas addresses the impact of fear-based systems rooted in hierarchical power and advocates for shifting toward creative, relational models of leadership.  He stresses the importance of self-reflection, community, and attuning to the self-healing mechanism of life as pathways to building a collective healing movement. Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube:

Thomas Hübl sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author Bayo Akomolafe to explore the leading edges of spiritual thinking and human identity. Bayo is a deeply experimental thinker, informed by the African cosmologies of the Yoruba and Igbo traditions. He leads an exploration into a new paradigm of healing that de-centers the individual to focus on the village, on the communal. He and Thomas discuss how modernity, especially in Western cultures, creates a false dichotomy between spirituality and science, pathologizes behavior that should instead be integrated, and offers a reductive, motionless view of the self. Bayo offers a different perspective, one in which the self or the psyche is always moving in an interconnected dance with our lineages, with evolution, and with the mysteries of the material realm. Bayo also explores how modern spiritual models contribute to systems of oppression, stressing the importance of spaciousness, non-conformity, and relationality in spiritual thinking and practice.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas explores the relationship between inner space and outer space, examining the ecosystemic impacts of nervous system regulation, presence, and maturity.  He shares how contemplative practices, such as meditation, help develop the parts of our brain that promote regulation, the importance of developing a daily practice, and the maturity in knowing when to slow down and take a step back from stressful situations, news, and social media. Tune in to learn how our individual regulation and presence can “go viral”—creating a detoxifying effect that can help end harmful systemic patterns and promote healing on the individual, ancestral, and collective levels.   Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube:

Thomas and Zen teacher, mediator, and author Diane Musho Hamilton explore two key spiritual concepts—waking up and growing up— and why they're so crucial in our rapidly changing world. Diane shares personal stories of loss, challenge, and resilience, and how contemplative practice and emotional development became essential tools for navigating adversity.  They discuss spiritual practice, recognizing interconnectedness, and conflict resolution as necessary pathways for individual and collective growth. They also touch on the impact of technology, the importance of community, the role of ritual, and how healing personal trauma can scale up to have a larger social impact. Diane offers deep insights into consciousness and integration, the benefits and limits of meditation, and the vulnerability of spiritual communities when they lack tools to navigate conflict and manipulation. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

In this guided meditation, Thomas invites you to explore the current state of your mind. Explore your attachment to your thoughts and welcome a greater sense of presence and curiosity.   Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube:

Thomas and award-winning reproductive justice and human rights leader Loretta J. Ross explore how we can address inequality, oppression, and hate in an atmosphere of political division and fast-paced technological progress. Loretta shares experiences that helped her form more effective strategies to solve social problems collectively and build inclusive movements that fight oppression with love, hope, and community instead of hate, anger, and vengeance. She and Thomas discuss the concept of “Calling In” – an accountability process that focuses on respect, engagement, and equal partnership, and how this is more effective than the adversarial “calling out” that we're used to. Loretta explains how this practice can help social justice movements embrace diversity of thought and stop destructive in-fighting.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas dives deep into the relationship between spirituality and healing, exploring how maturing our relationship with the divine provides incredible resources on our journey of self-discovery and ethical development.  This teaching expands on the core spiritual principle of grace, its relationship to forgiveness, and the importance of owning your choices and transgressions as you expand your consciousness and connection to spirit. Thomas explores how to regain connection to our spiritual essence after pain and trauma disrupt it. When crises put us out of synch, those broken parts allow light to come in, and new opportunities to emerge…if we're open to them. Life wants to heal, and a strong spiritual practice can activate healing that ripples out into the collective.   Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/talGozg6_Ps   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas and Dr. Lisa Miller, a clinical psychologist, professor, and NYT bestselling author, explore humans' innate capacity for spirituality. Dr. Lisa explains how neuroscience and cutting-edge research help us understand our hard-wired drive for spiritual awareness and what these discoveries mean for the way we approach our spiritual journeys…and our entire lives. According to Dr. Miller, we're all receptive to transcendent relationships, we are all emanations of the same source, and there is hard science to back this up. She and Thomas discuss how connection with others can deepen our spiritual experiences and how important it is to align with life's natural rhythms. They also explore how trauma can be a pathway to spiritual growth and awakening, and Dr. Miller offers a guided practice for experiencing transcendence and awakening to our spiritual awareness. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by Mathieu Lefevre, co-founder of More In Common, to explore the growing polarization in society and the surprising ways in which we are actually more united than we think.  Mathieu discusses his extensive research on social divisions in the U.S. and Europe, revealing how social media and news media create a distorted mirror of reality that exaggerates our differences. He explains the concept of perception gaps, where people overestimate how extreme their opponents' views are, and offers insights on how to bridge these divides. Thomas and Mathieu examine the critical role of listening, intergroup contact, and shared spaces in fostering social cohesion. As climate change and other global challenges put increasing pressure on our collective resilience, we need new forms of collaboration and understanding so that we can move beyond toxic division and build a healthier, more connected society. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

How can we stop repeating patterns from the past? Thomas Hübl explores what it will take for individuals and societies to respond maturely to the current atmosphere of collective stress and not give in to polarizing and fragmenting forces. In our lives and in our histories, we see repeating patterns and often react in unhealthy ways. To address these collective issues, we need to look inside—check in with ourselves when we're triggered, and develop a more fluid and integrated perspective.  Thomas shares how integrating our wounds, practicing embodiment, and developing a more mature inner world can lead to greater clarity, compassion, and capacity to handle stress. Our inner experience has an ecosystemic effect, so we must create spaces, practices, and rituals—a healing architecture to process our past. Only then can we move fluidly into the future and become the wise elders that the world so needs.   Want to watch the video version of the episode on YouTube? Follow this link: https://youtu.be/QuEtyzTfr5w   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas explores three dimensions of time that shape our spiritual practice, and our healing journeys: the flowing 'river of time,' the frozen pockets of trauma that disrupt its movement, and the profound stillness of timelessness. Through deep introspection and integration, uncover how to transform stuck patterns into a liberated flow, embracing the wisdom of both modern psychology and ancient traditions.  This bonus podcast episode is dropping on the two-year anniversary of Point of Relation! Stay tuned at the end of the episode for a special greeting from our podcast team (and their pets). And thank you so much for being a part of our community.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by author, artist, and founder and CEO of Adaptive Leadership, Zander Grashow, for a conversation on the type of leadership that's needed as humanity faces an unprecedented acceleration of social and technological change.  In order for us to meet this moment, we need to dismantle broken and corrupted systems, develop new social and relational skills, and collectively re-imagine the future that we want to work towards. This requires us to stay engaged despite the difficulty, and find our passion instead of leaning into despair. Zander offers his take on the most important elements of leading our societies into that better future—learning to feel into our bodies and our emotions, identifying what we must let go of, understanding the structures of power, creating safe spaces to digest events, and building more resilient social fabrics in community.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

Thomas is joined by educator, musician, activist, and creator of First Voices Radio, Tiokasin Ghosthorse. Tiokasin is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota, and shares deep wisdom from the Lakota worldview, language, and traditions. He and Thomas explore ways for us to redefine our relationship with Mother Earth, moving away from a mindset of separation and domination towards one of interconnectedness, mutual becoming, and intuition. Tiokasin shares how we can be more in tune with Earth's natural rhythm to become more present in the now and more connected to the future. The Indigenous way of being involves an openness to seeing and feeling our ancestors—not just our human ancestors, but also the earth itself. Tiokasin stresses the need for us to de-center humans in order to reconnect with nature, and demonstrates how understanding the living Lakota language can affect a cultural mindset shift in that direction. To watch the video version of this episode, visit:

Thomas Hübl explores what it means to get in touch with our deepest humanity, live our spirituality with respect to the freedom of all humans, and move through the world with embodied awareness. We are all composed of a divine light—an unbroken stream of data that began with our oldest ancestors. But we have also inherited trauma from those who came before us, and from the events of our own lives. Healing and integrating these traumas has an ecosystemic impact, it ripples out to those around us and opens us to the spiritual dimension. But healing isn't just about transcending our pain, it requires integration, and more importantly—humility. It requires us to own our transgressions and include their lessons in our spiritual practice. Thomas shares how this inclusivity generates wisdom and opens us to greater generosity, deeper insights, and more warmth and love in our lives. ✨ Become a member of Thomas Hübl's online global community, The Mystic Café, and join us for Nourishing Your Nervous System: A 7-Day Reset. Embark on a 7-day journey designed to nurture your nervous system, restore balance, and awaken vitality. Through daily teachings, practical exercises, and a connected community, you'll rediscover a sense of grounding, creativity, and freedom. Learn more & join the 7-Day Reset here:

Thomas Hübl and NYT bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, explore the nature of shadow, evil, and collective trauma from a mystical and spiritual perspective.  They discuss the impact of unprocessed pain and ancestral wounds, the obstacles we face as we work to integrate our individual and collective shadows, and the challenges (and benefits) of staying present in a world shaped by both light and darkness.  Elise poses profound questions about the moral qualities of evil, while Thomas offers insights into the interconnectedness of the human experience and what it means to take responsibility—both for your own actions, and for harms perpetrated by others that you have unwittingly benefitted from. ✨ Join us for a FREE, LIVE EVENT: Your Path to Renewal - How to Ground Your Body, Calm Your Mind, and Open Your Heart.  Together with our global community, Thomas will explore how to reconnect with our inner wisdom, restore balance, and rediscover a sense of creativity and freedom—even in life's most challenging moments.  Sunday, February 2, 2025 @ 11:30 am Los Angeles / 2:30 pm New York Sign up for free and submit a question for Thomas here:

Thomas reads a short passage from the Tao Te Ching and shares spiritual practices and conceptual tools to help you let go of unhelpful ideas you're clinging to and create spaciousness in your mind and body.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by Dr. Shefali, a clinical psychologist, bestselling author, and host of the Parenting & You podcast. Dr. Shefali is an expert on “Conscious Parenting,” an approach to raising children that focuses on the need for parents to identify and heal from their own traumas—especially childhood traumas—so that they don't pass on harmful patterns and behaviors to their kids. She and Thomas discuss the importance of creating emotional safety in parent-child relationships (and all relationships) in order to create an environment where a child, friend, or partner can be their authentic self. They also cover how to identify triggers and how being in touch with your physical body allows you to be more in touch with your emotions. Dr. Shefali stresses that sometimes growth requires a level of discomfort, and a relinquishing of control, but doing the hard work of becoming more present and self-aware is the best thing you can do for your children. ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by Tamala Floyd, a psychotherapist, IFS lead trainer, speaker, and the author of “Listening When Parts Speak: A Practical Guide to Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy and Ancestor Wisdom.” They discuss the relationship between the “Self” and the multiple “parts” of the self in Internal Family Systems work, and how understanding and integrating our protective parts helps us heal past traumas and establish a stronger relationship with our innate, inner selves. Tamala shares wisdom on ancestral healing, explaining how intergenerational trauma work supports IFS work, and helps us to free ourselves from patterns and behaviors that don't serve us. She and Thomas also explore the concept of “legacy burdens”—wounds and harms that we've inherited from our ancestors or our culture that impact our lives—and how we can learn to release them.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas Hübl is joined by renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, Michael Meade. They discuss transformation as an essential element of life, and how embracing radical transformation—both personally and as a collective—allows us to get in touch with our deeper selves. Michael draws on his knowledge of ancient rites of passage, mythology, and initiation rituals to help define the liminal space humanity finds itself in right now. As we stand on a cultural and environmental threshold, we have a choice: either let go of our egos and open our wounds to be cleansed and healed, or resist change and remain disconnected from life, death, and nature itself. He and Thomas also explore what it means to be an elder across different cultures, how seemingly apocalyptic turmoil is really a lifting of the veil, and the divine value of stepping into the unknown. ✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨ A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively. For a limited time, you'll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

Thomas Hübl dives deep into how we can learn to be more grounded in stressful moments, and grow our resilience, agency, and ability to respond to challenges. He shares insights and practices to activate curiosity, exploring how we can expand our individual healing into the community. We're living in a very complex time - a global poly-crisis situation where the topics reverberating in the world might feel overwhelming, isolating, triggering, distancing, even creating indifference. Thomas focuses on learning to recognize overwhelm and create space within ourselves, in our environment, and in our relationships so that integration and healing can occur. Where would you like more space in your life, to create the possibility of a different outcome, a new future? Tune in for fresh insights on cultivating space and nurturing wisdom, resilience, and loving-kindness in an increasingly complex world. ✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨ A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively. For a limited time, you'll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

Thomas Hübl shares practices and perspectives to help us navigate the challenges that may arise as many of us gather with our families and communities for the holidays.  In situations where differing opinions and issues from childhood can often lead to tension, reactivity, and conflict, it sometimes feels impossible to stay grounded, present, and spacious enough to handle these moments.  With practice, we can learn to recognize our emotions, know how they feel in our bodies, and gain a better understanding of our inner experience so that we can integrate what arises. Then, we can transform difficult moments into opportunities for growth and connection. Or, we can see more clearly when the healthy decision is to walk away. Thomas explores how we can train ourselves to be more regulated so that we can approach relational challenges with curiosity instead of judgment, and create space to host discomfort and disagreement with fluidity, maturity, and love. ✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨ A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively. For a limited time, you'll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

Description   ✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨ A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively. For a limited time, you'll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

In this special bonus episode, Thomas shares a powerful presencing practice focused on conscious enjoyment. In our day-to-day lives, how often are we taking the time to stop and really focus on an embodied experience of enjoyment?  Thomas shares why this is an important part of a well-rounded spiritual practice, and how this can help us release stress-based thought patterns and reinvigorate our lives.   ✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨ A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively. For a limited time, you'll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

 Thomas shares insights, tools, and practices to help you stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty.  More than ever, we are impacted by world events contributing to a state of polycrisis, where multiple traumatic events happen simultaneously. Thomas explores how we can support ourselves and others at a time when many are feeling chronic anxiety and overwhelm, while also addressing deeper layers of trauma. Each of us is part of the overall health of the collective nervous system.  And as we each undergo our own healing and inner work, we influence the larger collective field. Tune in to learn how to expand your collective understanding to support more effective and multidimensional healing. #traumahealing #collectivehealing #ancestralhealing  ✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨ A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively. For a limited time, you'll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

Thomas is joined by renowned trauma psychologist, bestselling author, and CEO of Break the Cycle, Dr. Mariel Buqué. They dive deep into intergenerational trauma, exploring how it's handed down through family lines and how we can effectively heal it.  Dr. Buqué's extensive work with trauma healing has shown the importance of healing in connection with others, especially when the traumas we've suffered were traumas that happened in relationship. As humans, we are interconnected, interdependent beings, and it's healthy and natural for us to rely on each other. But trauma can make that difficult.  Thomas and Dr. Buqué share holistic and professional methods for sustainable healing, stressing the importance of combining individual efforts with community support. Tune in to learn how we can break the cycles that we were unwillingly born into, and move from despair to profound hope and healing.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas offers insights on how we can generate and maintain hope, exploring hope as a skill and a practice rather than just a belief. He defines hope as the presence of agency—something that we can actively influence and co-create with each other.  Many who have suffered trauma find it difficult to maintain presence and tend to view this as a negative thing. But Thomas offers a different perspective. He explains that being pulled “out of the moment” is an intelligent function that helps us survive traumatic events. Instead of fighting our feelings and pathologizing our lack of presence, we can actually achieve more groundedness and connection by integrating our wounds, allowing ourselves to feel our feelings, and observing our tendencies with compassion and creativity rather than judgment.  In an interconnected world, we each contribute to a brighter future by doing our inner work and sharing the wisdom that comes from it. ✨ There's still time to register for Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. Join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register with your special discount here:

Thomas is joined by Dr. Robert Waldinger, a psychiatry professor and the director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development, to explore the secrets to human happiness and thriving. They discuss the profound insights gained from the longest-running study on human happiness, revealing how relationships, stress regulation, and having a strong sense of purpose shape our health and longevity.  Dr. Waldinger shares the factors in our lives that we can adjust to have greater agency over our happiness, and the role of wealth and privilege in wellbeing. The conversation also explores the transformative power of meditation, specifically in the Zen Buddhist tradition, offering wisdom on impermanence and interconnectedness.    ✨ Join Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. Explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register with your special discount here:

In this special bonus episode, Thomas examines the role of our ancestors in our lives and how lessons from the past can help us heal and evolve as humans. Our ancestors have left us with many gifts, but have also burdened us with unintegrated trauma. By learning how to connect to our roots and integrate those fragmented pieces of the past, we can bring light, creativity, innovation, and resilience into our legacies. And by doing this work in combination with personal and collective healing, we can build a better world for future generations.   ✨ STARTING SOON: Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. This fall, join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register with your special discount here:

Thomas is joined by Margaret Wheatley, a writer, teacher, speaker, and organizational consultant whose work focuses on summoning and training leaders who can step up to guide us in building new systems based on shared values, instead of trying to reform the destructive and corrupted systems that currently threaten life on this planet.  Thomas and Margaret start from the ground up, exploring how collectives and cultures emerge and how they operate, incorporating wisdom from science and biology. They focus on how different cultures define, experience, and approach trauma, and what we can learn from them. Drawing on her work in diverse international communities, Margaret believes that the human spirit can transcend its individual experience. Using support from community and lessons from spirituality, we can shake off the loneliness of trauma, unite to reclaim our spirits, and use whatever power and influence we possess for the good of all humans.   ✨ Registration is open for Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. This fall, join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register here:

Welcome to the 100th episode of Point of Relation! We're so excited to share this milestone with you and we're incredibly grateful to all of our listeners for their continued support.  In this episode, Thomas Hübl explores the concept of relational presence, an essential component of healing personal and collective trauma and nurturing healthy and fulfilling relationships in our lives. Thomas shares the fundamentals of presence, why it's such an important element of the way we communicate, and how we can learn to co-regulate and resonate with the people in our lives. By learning and practicing these skills, we're building our capacity to form safe, coherent spaces that serve as the primary tool for trauma integration. When we train to see our own filters and unconscious areas, we can create an environment that supports collective healing.   ✨ Registration is open for Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. This fall, join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register with your special discount here:

Thomas is joined by Professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology, and host of the Deep Transformation Podcast, Roger Walsh. They dive deep into how each of us can leverage our unique skills and capacities to help solve the many crises humanity is facing. It can be overwhelming to view complex, interconnected problems like climate change, war, and political unrest, and feel like you're powerless to make a difference.  Thomas and Roger assert that we must be willing to face our fears, be present with our emotional responses, and understand the psychological and spiritual roots of these problems to affect meaningful collective change. Roger stresses that there are no simple, single solutions for individuals or the collective. But at the core of our distress is a deep compassion for humanity, and tapping into that compassion is a powerful activator for collective healing.   ✨ Registration is open for Thomas' all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. This fall, join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you'll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register here:

Thomas discusses the importance of ancestral healing and explores how to develop a felt sense of connection with our ancestors. Connection is essential to healing, and connecting with both the wisdom and the unintegrated traumas of our ancestors helps us to be more present and grounded in our own lives, and accelerates our personal and collective healing.  Our ancestors have handed us a wealth of resources, and also a whole lot of unfinished business. Thomas explores how we can connect to the sacred spark of life that we've inherited, and feel into frozen areas of wounding and trauma so that we can heal them before they're passed on to our descendants. He explains how developing an ancestral awareness not only helps us to integrate the trauma that our ancestors could not, but also connects us more deeply with Mother Earth, allows us to be better stewards of our biosphere, and creates a healthier world for future generations to inhabit.   ✨ Join Thomas for a free, live teaching event: The In-Visible Ancestral Blueprint Have you ever wondered how ancestral healing could hold a major key to healing trauma and transforming our collective future? Join Thomas and a global community to explore the personal and spiritual growth that comes from understanding our ancestral blueprints. Discover how to heal the past, move beyond hyper-individualism, and create a brighter future for generations to come. Plus, learn about Thomas's upcoming LIVE course, The Ancestral Healing Code.  Get all the details and register for free here:

Thomas Hübl and New York Times bestselling author Elise Loehnen discuss the often misunderstood realms of shadow work and collective trauma. They explore how facing our inner darkness can lead to profound personal and societal transformation, and share practical insights on integrating the messy, painful parts of ourselves for spiritual growth and global healing. Without awareness, whatever is being suppressed in the deep layers of our collective shadow will be passed on to future generations. But by implementing new rituals and architectures of healing, we can transform stagnant energy into aliveness, creativity, ethical upgrades, and stronger collaboration across cultural divides. ✨ Join Thomas for a free, live teaching event: The In-Visible Ancestral Blueprint Have you ever wondered how ancestral healing could hold a major key to healing trauma and transforming our collective future? Join Thomas and a global community to explore the personal and spiritual growth that comes from understanding our ancestral blueprints. Discover how to heal the past, move beyond hyper-individualism, and create a brighter future for generations to come. Plus, learn about Thomas's upcoming LIVE course, The Ancestral Healing Code.  Get all the details and register for free here:

Thomas guides a meditation to help you drop into your body, embrace the sensations and emotions that arise, and use your awareness to help regulate your nervous system, open your heart space, and start to feel more grounded.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas Hübl explores the intricate relationship between trauma, healing, and spirituality. He explains that trauma is not defined by the events we experience but by our inner responses to overwhelming situations, often leading to emotional, mental, and even societal stagnation. He discusses how we can reintegrate the frozen parts of ourselves to support growth, creativity, and deeper connections, and how healing trauma opens us to deeper love and relational awareness.  With consistent spiritual practice, connection to community, and unwavering compassion for ourselves and others, we can face difficult challenges in our lives and overcome the illusion of separation to address critical global issues.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by human rights leader and co-founder of #BlackLivesMatter, Ayọ Tometi, to discuss the powerful connection between activism and healing. Ayọ shares her journey to becoming an activist and her perspective on collective healing, focusing on the power of storytelling and the importance of acknowledging our collective pain. She and Thomas explore how creating spaces for deep listening and shared experiences can transform communities, and practical ways to contribute to social change while fostering personal and collective well-being. Ayọ stresses the importance of feeling in order to heal, and shares strategies for maintaining levity and compassion while working in social justice or other emotionally overwhelming fields.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

Thomas is joined by Helena Norberg-Hodge, a bestselling author, filmmaker, and pioneer of the new economy movement. They discuss the fundamental importance of reconnecting with nature, local food systems, and community as antidotes to the damaging impacts of globalization. She shares her experiences working with Indigenous cultures and explores how localization not only heals people and places but also addresses major issues like climate change, food security, and social fragmentation. Together, they explore the intersection of systemic trauma, environmental sustainability, and the path toward a more interconnected and resilient future.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

In this solo episode, Thomas unravels the mysteries of attunement. Discover how this practice goes far beyond conventional emotional intelligence and continues into deeper connections and spiritual growth. Uncover the keys to transparent communication, trauma healing, and accessing subtle spiritual information for personal and collective transformation.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

In this special bonus episode, Thomas reads Verse 25 from the Tao Te Ching, offers his analysis, and shares how we can come back to living a life that is more informed by inner balance in a world that is often out of balance. This episode is dedicated to a cherished member of our team, the late Digo Delgado. His adventurous spirit, kindness, and laugh touched everyone who had the privilege of knowing him. We dedicate this episode in loving memory to Digo, with gratitude for all of his contributions and the time we shared.   ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

Thomas is joined by Buddhist teacher, Founder and head teacher of Upaya Zen Center, social activist, and author, Roshi Joan Halifax. They discuss Roshi Joan's pioneering work in end-of-life care, and how spirituality can inform and inspire more compassionate activism.  Roshi Joan shares her insights on how decades of practice have equipped her to navigate suffering with resilience, how compassion benefits both the giver and receiver, and the importance of embracing moral challenges with grace. She and Thomas also explore the importance of community, mindfulness, and meditation in healing trauma, and how this can lead to beautiful post-traumatic growth. ✨ Join us at the 2024 Collective Healing Conference This free, 8-day, online event features conversations with a diverse lineup of 40+ luminaries and experts, including Dr. Gabor Mate, Alanis Morisette, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Mariel Buqué, Dr. Stephen Porges, and more. Enjoy healing meditations and explore practical, integrative practices and tools for personal and collective healing. Sign up today to join a growing global community dedicated to building resilience and discovering new pathways to growth, healing, and profound change. Register for free here:

Thomas is joined by internationally recognized speaker, author, and expert in the field of attachment theory and trauma resolution, Dr. Diane Poole Heller. They discuss Diane's work in attachment theory, exploring how our early experiences with our caregivers affect our attachment styles, and what we can do to move into secure attachment in our relationships. Dr. Heller views trauma as a broken connection—with ourselves, our lives, the earth, or other people—and explains how therapists and healers can co-regulate and attune with their clients' nervous systems to create a safe environment for transforming trauma. Dr. Heller believes that we can interface with the energy of trauma in a way that doesn't cause overwhelm, and opens us to maturation, spiritual experiences, and changes in consciousness. She and Thomas also discuss how working collectively in a group amplifies healing, and how all therapists and healers are ultimately agents of grace. ✨ Join Thomas for Collective Resilience: Healing Together in Our Changing World. You're invited to join Thomas for a free, LIVE, online event to explore how collective healing can transform our response to current global challenges. Thomas will be joined by the hosts of our upcoming Collective Healing Conference to share insights on building resilience, strengthening connections, and creating positive change in our rapidly changing world. Register for free here:

Thomas shares deep insights into how we can embody the soul's wisdom and increase our capacity to be present and form a deeper alliance with life. He shares tools and practices for becoming more grounded and spacious in our daily lives, and in challenging situations, and how that gives us the courage, curiosity, and strength to turn difficulties into growth, expansion, and wisdom. He also offers embodiment practices to help us connect our physical and emotional data streams, creating a more coherent awareness of our internal processes, and increasing our natural intuition and capacity for change.  As Thomas explains, we are all part of an interconnected world, but trauma tends to create a sense of separation. Reconnecting to the essence of life helps us develop a deeper sense of ourselves so that we can achieve greater regulation and resilience. ✨ Join Thomas for Collective Resilience: Healing Together in Our Changing World. You're invited to join Thomas for a free, LIVE, online event to explore how collective healing can transform our response to current global challenges. Thomas will be joined by the hosts of our upcoming Collective Healing Conference to share insights on building resilience, strengthening connections, and creating positive change in our rapidly changing world. Register for free here:

Thomas is joined by global wellbeing and wellbeing economics expert, program facilitator, and researcher, Julia Kim. They discuss how Bhutan's holistic approach to economics, deeply rooted in spiritual and cultural values, prioritizes individual and collective happiness and wellbeing over profit and expansion of capital. Julia explains the concept of Gross National Happiness (GNH) in Bhutan, contrasting it with the more conventional measure of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and how this system is more regenerative than extractive, less driven by overconsumption, and leads to better outcomes for people and the environment. At a time of personal and collective trauma, burnout, and loss of hope, strengthening our capacity for inner wellbeing and authentic leadership is critical for enabling and inspiring wider organizational and systemic transformations.    ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Thomas is joined by celebrated author, educator, and meditation teacher, Ruth King. They explore the profound responsibilities and perspectives that come with eldership and the importance of presence in guiding others. Ruth shares her wisdom on racial healing, the power of community, and the role of artistry as cultural medicine. She and Thomas explore the healing potential of mindful communication and the value of embracing impermanence to alleviate suffering. Ruth also shares reflections on integrating Buddhist Dharma teachings into social contexts and how words can heal when used with conscious intention.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: