Podcast appearances and mentions of Kelly Richmond Pope

What makes perps tick, victims so gullible, and whistleblowers so morally righteous? Kelly Richmond Pope reports. Her book is “Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry.”

Forensic accounting expert Kelly Richmond Pope shows fraud in action, uncovering what makes perps tick, victims so gullible, and whistleblowers so morally righteous, while also encouraging us to look at our own behaviors and motivations in the hope of protecting ourselves and our companies. Kelly's Book https://www.amazon.com/Fool-Me-Once-Trillion-Dollar-Industry/dp/1647823919 Kelly's Website https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com Follow me on all socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattcoxtruecrime Do you want to be a guest? Send me an email here: insidetruecrime@gmail.com Do you want a custom "con man" painting to shown up at your doorstep every month? Subscribe to my Patreon: https: //www.patreon.com/insidetruecrime Do you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopart Listen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox Check out my true crime books! Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCF Bent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TM It's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8 Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5G Devil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438 The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3K Bailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402 Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1 Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel! Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WX If you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here: Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69 Cashapp: $coxcon69

It's January 2025, and we're in the final days of the Biden administration.  He has had a busy last month or so issuing pardons and commutations.   This unfettered power is rightly scrutinized but often misunderstood.  The bigger problem is, the whole damn process appears to be broken.  And although Pres. Biden has done some good things with his power, it still represents a small fraction of those languishing in prison who deserve action. Margeret Love was the head of the US Pardon office from 1990-97, she had a front row seat to the pardon process, and continues to represent clients seeking pardons. Mark Allenbaugh needs no introduction.  His stats help us put many of these decisions into the proper perspective.  Both of them join us on the first episode of the new year to lend their unique perspective to this very timely issue!   IN THIS EPISODE   The Hunter Biden Pardon The 1500 commutations of those who BOP had released to home confinement during Covid; The difference between pardons and clemency; When did things really start to go off the rails in the US Pardon office? (spoiler alert, it was the Clinton years); Is it true that when you accept a pardon it is an admission of guilt? Trumps promise to pardon the January 6th defendants; Can a president pardon himself? Why the pardon essentially makes the president the "DOJ's Janitor"; How the pardon power should be managed going forward; Michael Conahan commutation (the judge embroiled in “cash for kids” scandal); Rita Crundwell (Dixon, IL Comptroller fraud) commutation.   LINKS: For more info on the Rita Crundwell Case, there's a great documentary produced by Prof. Kelly Richmond Pope called "All the Queens Horses" currently available on Amazon Prime (https://www.amazon.com/All-Queens-Horses-Gene-Biggerstaff/dp/B07BPNGP85).  She also writes about it in her book, "Fool Me Once" https://a.co/d/hQzJFUY I had Dr. Pope on the podcast to talk about this case a while back  As for the "Kids for Cash" judge who just had his sentence commuted, here's his wiki page:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Conahan Here's our two previous episodes on Hunter Biden.  The first talks in detail about the political nature of his prosecution and his original plea bargain falling apart and the next happened live after he pled guilty in California:  Ep. 64: Too Cute by Half: Why Hunter's Plea Went South:  https://youtu.be/sWEzwKLQCoo?si=rK3qRURAJVQtXXk5 Ep. 92: Livestream Bonus: Hunter Biden Edition:  https://www.youtube.com/live/B3VL-cJlXSo?si=r1zAdBS6C2s_STTO(make sure you forward through the first two minutes of tech disaster)  And we talk in depth about the concept of "lawfare".

Forensic accounting professor and fraud detective Kelly Richmond Pope describes why and how fraud occurs. In this episode she highlights the importance of clear incentives and discusses her interactive online games designed to help users understand the drivers of fraud and whistleblowing.  To learn more about the New York Fed's Governance and Culture Reform Initiative, visit the website for additional resources related to the study of conduct and culture in the financial services industry.

We all probably think that we know the difference between right and wrong and wouldn't get caught up in something we aren't supposed to be doing, but according to Kelly Richmond Pope, it can be a slippery slope. Some people get into legal trouble by starting small or by not speaking up when someone sneakily gets them involved. On this episode of the How'd It Happen Podcast, Mike and Kelly discuss the three categories of fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteous.Kelly wants to turn fraud upside down and allow people to see themselves in these unethical decisions. She wants to stop the language of "it's them, not me" and be more inclusive in understanding that it can be us. She explains that anyone can be talked into anything under the right circumstances and that we have a great ability to compartmentalize levels when it comes to what we will and won't do.Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. Her area of expertise lies in understanding and identifying financial fraud risk within financial statements, assessing corporate culture and compliance systems designed to confront internal control challenges. Pope's research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary, All the Queen's Horses which explores the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. Pope's TED Talk entitled "How Whistle-blowers Shape History” has been viewed over 1.6 million times.In this episode, Mike and Kelly explore the trillion-dollar fraud industry. They discuss the power of persuasion and the importance of embracing internal whistleblowing. Learn how to recognize and prevent fraud and protect yourself from being a victim of fraud or getting involved in the wrong situation.Key highlights:Fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteousThe problem with our culture encouraging people to mind their own businessDifferent types of whistleblowers and their importanceHow to protect yourself from fraud and getting involved in unethical or illegal situationsEpisode resources:Fool Me Once: A Fraud ExperienceKelly's book: Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud IndustryConnect with Kelly Richmond Pope:Website: kellyrichmondpope.comInstagram: @kellyrpopeLinkedIn: Kelly Richmond Pope, CPATo Connect with Mike: Website LinkedIn Instagram Twitter YouTube Coaching Get Mike's book: Owner Shift Please LIKE

We all probably think that we know the difference between right and wrong and wouldn't get caught up in something we aren't supposed to be doing, but according to Kelly Richmond Pope, it can be a slippery slope. Some people get into legal trouble by starting small or by not speaking up when someone sneakily gets them involved. On this episode of the How'd It Happen Podcast, Mike and Kelly discuss the three categories of fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteous.Kelly wants to turn fraud upside down and allow people to see themselves in these unethical decisions. She wants to stop the language of "it's them, not me" and be more inclusive in understanding that it can be us. She explains that anyone can be talked into anything under the right circumstances and that we have a great ability to compartmentalize levels when it comes to what we will and won't do.Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. Her area of expertise lies in understanding and identifying financial fraud risk within financial statements, assessing corporate culture and compliance systems designed to confront internal control challenges. Pope's research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary, All the Queen's Horses which explores the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. Pope's TED Talk entitled "How Whistle-blowers Shape History” has been viewed over 1.6 million times.In this episode, Mike and Kelly explore the trillion-dollar fraud industry. They discuss the power of persuasion and the importance of embracing internal whistleblowing. Learn how to recognize and prevent fraud and protect yourself from being a victim of fraud or getting involved in the wrong situation.Key highlights:Fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteousThe problem with our culture encouraging people to mind their own businessDifferent types of whistleblowers and their importanceHow to protect yourself from fraud and getting involved in unethical or illegal situationsEpisode resources:Fool Me Once: A Fraud ExperienceKelly's book: Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud IndustryConnect with Kelly Richmond Pope:Website: kellyrichmondpope.comInstagram: @kellyrpopeLinkedIn: Kelly Richmond Pope, CPATo Connect with Mike: Website LinkedIn Instagram Twitter YouTube Coaching Get Mike's book: Owner Shift Please LIKE

LangstonClarkBirthdayFundRaiser.com How can understanding fraud change the way we navigate our careers? Join us for a special 40th birthday celebration for Dr. Langston Clark as we aim to secure 40 new donors for the From A&T to PhD Endowed Scholarship. Our featured guest, Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, an A&T alumna and accomplished professor of accounting at DePaul University, takes us on a journey through her academic and professional life. From her early days in Durham, North Carolina, influenced by her father, a college professor, to earning her PhD at Virginia Tech, Dr. Pope's story is a testament to the transformative power of historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs).In our candid discussion, Dr. Pope shares her expertise on fraud, using captivating real-life stories to explain the complex roles of perpetrators and whistleblowers. She breaks down the ethical dilemmas that young professionals may face in the workplace and offers insights into how storytelling can reveal the intricacies of fraud. Drawing from her book "Fool Me Once," Dr. Pope categorizes the different types of fraud actors and dives into the moral quandaries surrounding figures like Robin Hood, examining how societal perceptions shift based on motivations and outcomes.We also touch on the controversial world of cryptocurrency, likening it to Ponzi schemes and discussing the importance of understanding where real value lies. To round out this rich conversation, we reflect on our efforts to support the From A&T to PhD Endowed Scholarship, inviting listeners to contribute to this meaningful cause. Tune in to celebrate milestones, absorb impactful stories, and appreciate the vital role of education and integrity in our professional journeys.Support the Show.

Severe and sudden loss is how Kelly Richmond Pope realized her inner strength.  As an educator and entrepreneur, she has uncovered the truths inside fiscal fraud.   Her day job is teaching accounting forensics at DePaul University - but she is also the award-winning director of the documentary All The Queen's Horses.  The film tells the story of the largest municipal embezzlement in U.S. history.   Plus, Kelly is CEO of Red Flag Mania, an interactive and immersive accounting game that incorporates real stories.  In this episode, Lissa & Thom learn the pain that whistleblowers suffer for the greater good. Originally released September 17, 2020.

Fraud is everywhere. Fraud is costly. Fraud isn't sequestered in dark basements in the middle of the night; it could happen in the front office of your business. But how can you prevent fraud, catch red flags quickly, and empower your team to blow the whistle if they witness it within the walls of your business? Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, a leading forensic accounting expert, shares her expert approach.   KEY TOPICS Catching red flags for fraud in your business. Debunking the profile of a “white-collar felon.” The internal controls that protect businesses from scams. Situations that prevent employees from blowing the whistle on internal fraud. WATCH THE FULL EPISODE ON YOUTUBE   CONNECT WITH US www.decidedlypodcast.com Join us on YouTube Join us on Instagram: @decidedlypodcast Join us on Facebook Shawn's Instagram: @shawn_d_smith Sanger's Instagram: @sangersmith     Thank you to Shelby Peterson of Transcend Media for editing and post-production of the Decidedly podcast.   SANGER'S BOOK: A Life Rich with Significance: Transforming Your Wealth to Meaningful Impact SHAWN'S BOOK: Plateau Jumping: What to Change When Change Is What You Want   MAKING A FINANCIAL DECISION? At Decidedly Wealth Management, we focus on decision-making as he foundational element of success, in our effort to empower families to purposefully apply their wealth to fulfill their values and build a thriving legacy.  LEARN MORE: www.decidedlywealth.com   SUBSCRIBE TO THE NEWSLETTER: https://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/manage/optin?v=001aeU_pPBHJPNJWJBdVbaci6bjGIuEJurH12xHBWDEVT_NxyCadMd7wLSZjcEZglkSjDjehuIbTHD8nABOIdV69ctfYpSzg24RCIytetBUrlIPPKgaGzjGZ8DkM0Wp1LMjbErcYUur7PbZGjeVo4gyXlz821AoJGZR      CONNECT WITH DR. KELLY RICHMOND POPE Website: https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-richmond-pope-cpa-83689a5/ Instagram: @kellyrpope  Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry  Documentary Directed by Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope: All the Queen's Horses: How Could One Woman Steal $3 Million Without Anyone Noticing?: Kelly Richmond Pope, Director of All the Queen's Horses Documentary  Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago, IL. Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. Pope teaches managerial and forensic accounting both at the undergraduate and graduate level.  In 2020, the AICPA and the CPA Practice Advisor named Dr. Pope among the top 25 most powerful women in accounting. Her area of expertise lies in understanding and identifying financial fraud risk within financial statements, assessing corporate culture and compliance systems designed to confront internal control challenges. Pope's research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary  All the Queen's Horses , which explores the largest municipal fraud in US history.

Earn CPE Credit For This Podcast by listening here: https://bit.ly/3JFIQUzEnter our free Fraud Files Launch Giveaway where we will be giving over $4K of free prizes during our release week: https://www.fraudfilespod.com/p/giveaway/--In Episode 1 of The Fraud Files, listeners enter a forensic accounting classroom as instructor Kelly Richmond Pope, PhD in Accounting, Fraud Expert, and Author, begins to tell us about the story of financial advisor Dawn J. Bennett, in how she began her advisory business, and the tactics she used to get new clients on board. We also hear about how the timing of her business development, during the 2008 recession, impacted how she used narratives to maintain her brand during these difficult times in the investment world.EXTRA STUFFHead over to https://www.fraudfilespod.com/p/credits/ for a list of credits.Follow FloQast StudiosInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/floqaststudios/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FloQastStudiosTwitter: https://www.twitter.com/floqaststudios Watch Seasons 1 & 2 of PBC here: https://bit.ly/4b0oH7YABOUT THE SHOWThe Fraud Files, by FloQast Studios, is a true financial crime podcast, that takes on the form of a narrative “audio-movie” in the way it tells a story through assorted voice actor characters and sound design. The first season is 6 episodes long, and takes listeners through the fascinating and bizarre career journey of Dawn J. Bennett, who was an American financial advisor that turned into a fraud criminal at the highest of levels, and used uncanny methods to preserve her brand image and keep her clients money in her possession. The story teaches listeners about how fraud like this is committed, and is a lesson in ethics, due-diligence, and professional skepticism best practices.The Fraud Files is a FloQast Studios production, produced on behalf of FloQast inc. and FloQademy.You can find more of our work, such as the workplace comedy series, PBC, at  FloQast Studios, and if you're looking for more ways to earn CPE, you'll find a wide variety of engaging formats and topics across the library of courses we've produced by heading to floqademy.com--SEASON 1 of The Fraud Files The Fraud Files delves into the captivating world of white-collar crime… but with a twist. In Season 1 of The Fraud Files, we explore the saga of a renowned financial advisor whose entire empire was built on deception. It's one thing to be swindling clients' money to use for personal luxuries… but it's a whole other side of fraud to be using the money on magical spells. Through a unique blend of forensic accounting, vivid storytelling, and rich sound design, we uncover the intricate lies that propelled Dawn J. Bennett's professional and personal life—all in one captivating movie for your ears.

The Fraud Files, by FloQast Studios, is a true financial crime podcast, that takes on the form of an narrative “audio-movie” in the way it tells a story through assorted voice actor characters and sound design. The first season is 6 episodes long, and takes listeners through the fascinating and bizarre career journey of Dawn J. Bennett, who was an American financial advisor that turned into a fraud criminal at the highest of levels, and used uncanny methods to preserve her brand image and keep her clients money in her possession. The story teaches listeners about how fraud like this is committed, and is a lesson in ethics, due-diligence, and professional skepticism best practices.Hosted by Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, CPA, all podcast podcast episodes are eligible for CPE credit to listeners on www.FloQademy.com starting May 2, 2024. For more information about the show, check out www.fraudfilespod.com --SEASON 1 of The Fraud Files The Fraud Files delves into the captivating world of white-collar crime… but with a twist. In Season 1 of The Fraud Files, we explore the saga of a renowned financial advisor whose entire empire was built on deception. It's one thing to be swindling clients' money to use for personal luxuries… but it's a whole other side of fraud to be using the money on magical spells. Through a unique blend of forensic accounting, vivid storytelling, and rich sound design, we uncover the intricate lies that propelled Dawn J. Bennett's professional and personal life—all in one captivating movie for your ears.

This week on This Changes Everything, Sarah is joined by Kelly Richmond Pope, an accomplished author, filmmaker, and authority on forensic accounting and fraud examination. With her extensive experience and insightful research, Kelly has become a leading voice in understanding the psychological underpinnings of fraud and scams. From her riveting documentaries to her work as a professor, Kelly has dedicated her career to unraveling financial mysteries and shedding light on the tactics used by scammers. In this episode, Kelly shares her expertise on recognizing red flags, identifying different types of scammers, and most importantly, how to protect yourself from falling victim to fraud or becoming a perpetrator yourself. So, grab your detective hat and tune in for some eye-opening insights with Kelly Richmond Pope! Listen to more podcasts like this: https://wavepodcastnetwork.com/ Learn more about Kelly's work: https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com/ Follow Kelly on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kellyrpope/ This Changes Everything Voicemail: Record your question by calling ‪(313) 338-8828‬ Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code CHANGES This episode is sponsored by Better Help. Visit BetterHelp.com/THISCHANGES today to get 10% off your first month. DISCLAIMER: This podcast offers information for educational and entertainment purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Always consult a qualified mental health provider for medical or mental health concerns. The host, guests, and network disclaim responsibility for any decisions or actions you make based on information provided by this podcast.

On this show, Heather speaks with Kelly Richmond Pope about her intriguing journey into forensic accounting, her experiences with fraud, and the human elements that complicate financial crimes. Here are a few key points from their conversation: Kelly Richmond Pope's Background Her Early Interest in Accounting A Personal Anecdotes of Learning About Fraud Professional Encounters with Fraud Discussion on Whistleblowers Impact of Fraud on Victims and the Role of Emotional Connection Advice on Vigilance Against Fraud Changing Dynamics in the Accounting Profession Combining Passions and Careers Kelly's work includes: Fool Me Once - A book by Kelly on Amazon All the Queen's Horses - A documentary by Kelly available on YouTube More accountants are leaving the field than joining. What's going on? - A BigThink talk by Kelly Thank you to our show sponsor! Rightworks — All your accounting apps, unified in the cloud Learn more about the show and our sponsors at Woodard.com/podcast

Dr. Kelly Richmond-Pope has been a thought leader in the forensic accounting space for more than a decade. She joins Chris to discuss her accounting origin story, her academic research as a professor at DePaul University in Chicago, and her side gigs as a filmmaker and author, having produced a 2013 documentary All the Queen's Horses about fraud in Dixon, IL, and her 2023 book Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry. For more about Dr. Richmond-Pope's work, see the links below: https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com/ https://www.allthequeenshorsesfilm.com/ https://www.amazon.com/Fool-Me-Once-Trillion-Dollar-Industry/dp/1647823919

Fraud is a $5 trillion “industry.” But not all its perpetrators look alike. Kelly Richmond Pope, a professor of accounting, breaks down who commits fraud — and why. When we think of someone who commits fraud, we think of people like Bernie Madoff or companies like Enron: intentional perpetrators of financial crimes. But other kinds of people commit fraud, too. Accounting professor Kelly Richmond Pope explains who else falls prey to the "fraud triangle", and they might be even scarier than the big bads. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapters: 0:00 How does fraud happen? 1:00 Meet Kelly Richmond Pope 1:28 The Fraud Triangle 2:18 Three types of fraudsters 2:26 Intentional perpetrators 3:50 Righteous perpetrators 4:20 Accidental perpetrators 5:56 And then there's Wells Fargo… -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go Deeper with Big Think: ►Become a Big Think Member Get exclusive access to full interviews, early access to new releases, Big Think merch and more ►Get Big Think+ for Business Guide, inspire and accelerate leaders at all levels of your company with the biggest minds in business -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About Big Think | Smarter Faster™ ► Big Think The leading source of expert-driven, educational content. With thousands of videos, featuring experts ranging from Bill Clinton to Bill Nye, Big Think helps you get smarter, faster by exploring the big ideas and core skills that define knowledge in the 21st century. Get Smarter, Faster. With Episodes From The Worlds Biggest Thinkers. Follow The Podcast And Turn On The Notifications!! Share This Episode If You Found It Valuable Leave A 5 Star Review... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kelly Richmond Pope, a forensic accountant, shares a simple test that puts your ethics under the spotlight. What would you be willing to do if you thought you'd get away with it? Kelly Richmond Pope, a forensic accountant, delves into how we often unintentionally ignore our moral compasses and veer into unethical behavior when possible consequences are intangible. Kelly says we do this mainly by convincing ourselves that everyone else behaves similarly. But is that true? She shares the results of an ethics survey she uses in her class, where her students found themselves divided about whether a social lunch with a colleague, discussing personal and work matters, should be expensed as a work-related activity. She also shares her experience of accidentally receiving an extra handbag and how different people advised her to proceed. Maybe we're all a little unethical. But Kelly assures that there's no need to panic. She believes that acknowledging these vulnerabilities and implementing internal controls can help us prevent unethical behavior. Fostering an environment of self-awareness and accountability can help us all make better decisions in the future. ----------------------------------------------------------------- About Kelly Richmond Pope: Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago, IL. Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. She's the author of Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion Dollar Fraud Industry (Harvard Business Review Press, March 2023). Pope teaches managerial and forensic accounting both at the undergraduate and graduate level. Get Smarter Faster, With Daily Episodes From The Worlds Biggest Thinkers. Follow Big Think Leave A 5 Star Review --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/bigthink/message Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

More CPAs are retiring than are joining the field. What's going on? Forensic accountant Kelly Richmond Pope explains. Imagine a world without accountants – it's not as distant as you think. Over 300,000 accountants have left the field in the past two years, and fewer students are pursuing accounting majors or the CPA exam. Forensic accountant Kelly Richmond Pope explores this alarming decline in interest in accounting. Pope believes the difficulty and cost of getting an accounting degree have drawn prospective students away, along with shifting career interests driven by social media, ESG, cybersecurity, and IT. However, some changes could attract new learners and, thus, save the field. Pope shares a few ideas for how to revitalize a very necessary profession. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Go Deeper with Big Think: ► Become a Big Think Member Get exclusive access to full interviews, early access to new releases, Big Think merch and more. ► Get Big Think+ for Business Guide, inspire and accelerate leaders at all levels of your company with the biggest minds in business. -------------------------------------------------------------------- About Kelly Richmond Pope Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago, IL. Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. She's the author of Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion Dollar Fraud Industry (Harvard Business Review Press, March 2023). Pope teaches managerial and forensic accounting both at the undergraduate and graduate level. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/bigthink/message Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

CSI Chat with Kelly Richmond Pope.  Kelly is a forensic accountant, professor, author of "Fool Me Once", producer of "All the Queen's Horses" and accounting rockstar!

Episode Notes Have you ever expensed a lunch that wasn't solely a business meeting or maybe added a little extra time on your timesheet? If so, that's fraud. Fraud is not just identity theft, ponzi schemes, or embezzling millions of dollars. Fraud is all around us and maybe even happening to us without our knowledge. On today's show, I sit down with Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope author of Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry. Kelly Richmond Pope is the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago, IL. Her research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary, All the Queen's Horses which explores the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. Her TED Talk entitled "How Whistle-blowers Shape History” has been viewed over 1.6 million times, translated into 20 languages, and serves as a resource to help organizations and individuals embrace internal whistleblowing.

Kelly Richmond Pope, renowned author of "Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry," reveals three perpetrator categories to Feedzai's James Hunt, highlighting the universal risk of assuming such roles. Conversely, Kelly identifies three whistleblower categories, advocating for culture checks and whistleblower recognition as vital measures for organizational safety and improvement.

Blake and David cover a plethora of topics including positive customer experiences, legal rulings, top cities for accountants, and the pressure on Intuit from major banks. They also dig into the discovery of a large sum of cash at a senator's home, how Trump defrauded the banks, another potential government shutdown, and the accounting talent crisis. 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Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research. She's an award-winning educator and documentary filmmaker, known for her documentary, “All The Queen's Horses,” which tells the story of Rita Crundwell's $53 million municipal fraud case. Pope is also the author of many books such as “Fool Me Once,” which details the rich history of the fraud industry. Her massively popular TED Talk, “How Whistle-blowers Shape History” also serves as a resource to help individuals and organizations embrace whistleblowing. Fraud can be intentional or accidental. Listen in as Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope shares her knowledge on fraud and how entrepreneurs can avoid it. Links Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope's Website: https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com/

Episode 618: With the economic impact of insurance fraud registering a staggering $308.6B every year, the Coalition Against Insurance Fraud conducted a new study seeking to understand consumers' psychological view of fraud, its criminality, and its impact on their lives. On today's Unscripted, NAMIC CEO Neil Alldredge talks with the research author Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope about who the report found is most likely commit insurance fraud and why.

Why drives people to commit fraud? What turns people into whistleblowers? How does fraud impact victims? On this episode, I'm exploring the scams, stories and secrets behind fraud.My guest is Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope. She's the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago and a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research.Her expertise lies in understanding and identifying financial fraud risk within financial statements assessing corporate culture and compliance systems designed to confront internal control challenges.She's also the author of a new book called ‘Fool Me Once', a book that, in her words, "explores what makes perpetrators tick, victims so gullible, and whistleblowers so morally righteous". It also forces the person reading it to consider their own behaviour because, as Kelly highlights, we are all capable of committing fraud. In our discussion, we explore:how she became interested in fraud and the human factors behind it;why people commit fraud and the fact that we are all capable of fraudwhat drives whistleblowers and how not all whistleblowers have the same motivation;the impact on victims of fraud;how story-telling can help to reduce fraud and make people more aware of it;the importance of catching small incidents of fraud to prevent larger ones;how technology enables — and helps prevent — fraud;whether fraud is always a bad thingand so much more...To find out more about Kelly and 'Fool Me Once' visit https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com/To read sample chapters of my new book 'Humanizing Rules - Bringing Behavioural Science to Ethics & Compliance' - www.humanizingrules.comIf you enjoyed this episode, do also listen to the episodes featuring Kelly Paxton, who specialises in Pink Collar Crime (PCC), a form of fraud:Kelly's first appearance on the show in 2020 talking about PCC: https://www.humanriskpodcast.com/kelly-paxton-on-pink-collar-1/Kelly's second appearance in 2021 talking about how COVID has impacted PCC: https://www.humanriskpodcast.com/kelly-paxton-on-pink-collar/

Fool Me Once author Kelly Richmond Pope explains how fraud became a trillion-dollar industry and helps us avoid becoming its latest victims. What We Discuss with Kelly Richmond Pope: What types of people commit fraud, and what — beyond simple greed — tends to motivate them? What is the fraud triangle, and how does it explain the factors that contribute to the occurrence of occupational fraud or white-collar crime? Why fraud seems more common and more severe these days than ever before. The multifarious faces of fraud, the criminals that perpetrate them, and their typical marks. How businesses and individuals can avoid becoming the next victims of this trillion-dollar industry. And much more... Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/876 This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors: jordanharbinger.com/deals Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship development mini course — at jordanharbinger.com/course! Like this show? Please leave us a review here — even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally!

It may not be surprising news that the tax law is complicated. Within the nuance, there is a battle between regulators and scammers, and the scammers are evolving fast. Are you doing what it takes to stay ahead of them? In this episode, Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope joins Tom to discuss how small business owners and investors can protect themselves against increasingly sophisticated financial fraud. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kelly Richmond Pope, Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University, joins the podcast to talk about her new book: Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry. She describes the three types of fraud perpetrators and why we blame the victims of fraud for their gullibility and I ask her whether lawyers or accountants are more at fault for rampant fraud!

Ridiculous! Stupid! If you want to money launder, why would you go to the Ozarks buy a strip club and open a Riverboat Casino? Oh sure, that's not going to draw too much attention! So says Peter about Ozark, starring Jason Bateman and Laura Linney. Jason's response… Really, no really? To vet the realism of Ozark and to dive deeply into the trillion-dollar industry of scams, fraud, swindles, and money laundering we reached out to Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, a professor of forensic accounting, a nationally recognized expert in white-collar crime, and author of: “Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry”. Dr. Pope is also the producer and director of the 2017 award-winning documentary, “All the Queen's Horses” which explores the astonishing story behind the largest municipal fraud in US history.   In this episode: Ozark…realistic or not? We get the definitive answer. THIS is the riskiest scam. Are today's big banks being bought off? More people are scamming, why? Has increased exposure to the rich and famous enticed honest people to commit fraud? YouTube's spread of fraudster techniques. Are you: Intentional Perpetrator, Accidental Perpetrator, or Righteous Perpetrator. The largest and most incredible municipal fraud in American history. Face to face with fraudsters…what Dr. Pope learned. The origin story of the Ponzi Scheme.   More from Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope: Website: KellyRichmondPope.com (Play her interactive fraud games!) Instagram & Twitter: @KellyRPope   You can follow us: Online: www.reallynoreally.com Instagram: @reallynoreallypodcast YouTube: @reallynoreallypodcast TikTok: @reallynoreallypodcast Facebook: @reallynoreallypodcast Threads: @reallynoreallypodcast Twitter: @reallynoreally_   Watch FULL EPISODES on YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Renowned forensic accounting expert Kelly Richmond Pope shows fraud in action, uncovering what makes perps tick -- and she returns to the Crisis Cast to define the archetypes of the fraudster.  Kelly also applauds the bravery of whistleblowers, and explains their peril. With Lissa Druss on assignment, Thom Serafin flies solo with Kelly to dig further on what was so fascinating and maddening about the story of former Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes.  Plus, you'll learn the newest lessons she's teaching her accounting students at DePaul University. Kelly Richmond Pope is the author of the best-selling book Fooled Me Once, and director of the documentary film, All The Queen's Horses.

Fraud is everywhere around us — but not everyone steals for the same reasons. This hour, forensic accountant Kelly Richmond Pope explores the motivations and implications of why we cheat the system. TED Radio Hour+ subscribers now get access to bonus episodes, with more ideas from TED speakers and a behind the scenes look with our producers. A Plus subscription also lets you listen to regular episodes (like this one!) without sponsors. Sign-up at plus.npr.org/ted.

Unlock the mystifying world of cryptocurrencies and blockchain in this enlightening episode of Count Me In. Join our guest host Kelly Richmond Pope, accounting Professor and author, as she speaks with Lamont Black, an Associate Professor of Finance at Napoli University.  They navigate us through the complexities of blockchain technology, its relevance to accounting and financial services, and the turbulent landscape of cryptocurrency exchanges. Lamont takes a deep dive into how blockchain serves as the foundation of cryptocurrencies, elaborates on its inherent security and transparency, and paints a picture of its significant role in the future of digital commerce. We will also unpack the rise and fall of crypto prices, the risks involved, and how to safely engage with cryptocurrency exchanges. No matter whether you're a finance professional grappling with the challenges of a rapidly digitizing economy, or a curious listener wanting to unravel the world of cryptocurrency, this episode is an invaluable resource.Connect with Lamont and Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lamontblack/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-richmond-pope-cpa-83689a5/ Full Episode Transcript:Adam:            Welcome to another enlightening episode of Count Me In. Where we delve into the pressing issues shaping our world and the business landscape. Today, we have the privilege of hearing a wonderful conversation between our guest host, Kelly Richmond Pope, accounting professor and author, and Lamont Black, an Associate Professor of Finance at DePaul University. They discuss an issue that is at the forefront of finance innovation; cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology. Lamont brings his vast knowledge and expert insights to help demystify these complex topics and explain their relevance to the finance industry. So whether you're a CFO, a controller, a finance professional, or simply a curious listener, prepare for a deep dive exploration into the world of blockchain and cryptocurrencies. Let's get started. Kelly:              So Lamont, thank you so much for joining me, today. And if you could start by just introducing who you are. Lamont:         So I'm an associate professor of finance in the Driehaus College of Business at the DePaul University. So I'm one of your colleagues. Kelly:              You are one of my colleagues. And, so, I want to welcome you to the IMA podcast series. And I have been working with the IMA, a little over a year. Working in research and thought leadership about ethics, corporate governance, risk, and you know my favorite love, fraud. And as we watch the news, read the news, what has just been in the news, so much, in the past, I'd say 18 months, is this really weird word called cryptocurrency.  And when I came to you, originally, about trying to understand what in the world is cryptocurrency. What you shared with me was how important it was to understand blockchain. And what I want to do, today, is have you really break down the importance of understanding blockchain. Because what I think the world is getting a little scared about is when you keep hearing about cryptocurrency, these exchanges that are falling apart. And, I think, everybody is really skeptical of this concept of cryptocurrency. But what I know you feel is, though, people might be scared of that. But you still need to understand the soundness and the value of the underlying technology, which is called blockchain. So could you tell us a little bit about what blockchain is and why we need to know about it as managerial accountants? Lamont:         Yes, so blockchain is the platform behind cryptocurrency. And blockchain is a technology, that, I think, everyone should be trying to understand. It's really a system of shared record keeping. So if you think about how we now live, in the information age, most of what we do is involving data. That data is being stored and shared using different systems, today. Whether that's on the cloud or other types of servers, and the blockchain is a way of sharing information. So that it's recorded on a shared ledger. So you can really think of blockchain as a system of accounting. And what makes it different is that rather than these ledgers being held in a private form. Different ledgers on different institutions that, then, have to communicate, blockchain cuts across all those silos. It's a way of recording information across an entire network. Sharing that information with the network, that makes it very secure, very transparent, and very efficient for sharing information.  So as we move deeper and deeper into the digital economy and e-commerce. I think every organization should be trying to understand how do we store and share information on the internet. I think blockchain is likely that next platform. And, so, even in the world of accounting, this is where things are likely headed. Kelly:              So that's a great explanation, and it really makes me feel a lot more comfortable in understanding that. Although, I hear all this craziness about cryptocurrency, and cryptocurrency is just where you shouldn't put your money. You've made me feel a lot more comfortable about why I need to understand blockchain. But let me digress, for a second, what in the world is going on with all that we hear about FTX, and the collapse of these exchanges? What is that conversation even about? And how does that affect or how should it affect our opinion of blockchain? Lamont:         Yes, so cryptocurrency is the money that is transferred across public blockchains like Bitcoin and Ethereum. And, so, people can own Bitcoin and Ethereum as digital assets, and crypto prices ran up, dramatically, during COVID. There are different arguments for why that occurred.  But one of them would be the amount of monetary stimulus. As people had all these different sources of income coming in. Let's say through stimulus checks in the form of fiscal stimulus, that money flowing into the economy. A lot of that ended up in crypto. And, so, Bitcoin almost reached $70,000 for one Bitcoin by late 2021. And as we moved into this year and our economy started to slow, inflation started to rise, largely as an outcome of COVID, crypto prices started to collapse.  Now, some people focus on the collapse of the crypto market as being something unique. But I just would point out that the stock market also entered bear market territory in the first half of this year, and in particular, tech stocks. So tech stocks are very risky. And, so, speculative assets during an economic slowdown, those prices tend to fall the most.  I view crypto as a form of technology. It's the frontier of technology. So, to me, it's no surprise that as risky assets have sold off this year, crypto has gotten hit the hardest. Now, as it relates to the exchanges, that's really been the problem this year. Because most people when they buy crypto, they buy it on an exchange like Coinbase, here in the US, or FTX, which was an offshore exchange headquartered in the Bahamas.  Now, many people wanted to jump on the crypto bandwagon, especially, as prices were rising. And, so, a lot of people were investing their money in exchanges like FTX. But one thing that people didn't fully appreciate, in this period of time, is when you own crypto on an exchange, you don't actually own the crypto itself. It's really being held on your behalf. And, so, FTX is what's called a centralized exchange.  When a centralized exchange fails or goes bankrupt, you're going to lose your money. They're going to freeze those redemptions. You're not going to be able to get it back. And, so, now, I think a lot of the fear around cryptocurrency is not just in the price volatility, it's also the fact that you could lose everything. And, so, I think crypto does have a PR problem, now, of people just being hesitant and confused about where all this is headed. Kelly:              Well, and I think what's interesting, about our conversation, is as managerial accountants, as CFOs, as controllers, as finance professionals. We could be interacting with clients and or in an organization that either embraces blockchain or accepts cryptocurrency. At the way that they handle transactions.  And, so, it's really important for us to understand some of these nuances. And my question to you is this how do I know what exchange I should engage with if I do want to purchase cryptocurrency? Because I do have to use an exchange, correct? That's the only way. Lamont:         Yes, it's the only way to enter the crypto ecosystem. So if you think of cryptocurrency as a currency, a form of money, then, it's like a foreign currency. If you want to buy euros with dollars, or if you want to bring the euros back into dollars, there's an exchange rate.  And, so, the price of crypto is really an exchange rate between dollars and crypto. And the U.S. money, the dollar, is a fiat currency. And there's a long history behind that term but it, basically, means that we are no longer on the gold standard. So the U.S. dollar is not backed by anything physical. It is a fiat currency.  But in order to buy crypto, you have to go through something called a fiat on-ramp. Because you're basically buying crypto with U.S. dollars. You can't do that just anywhere. You have to go through one of these exchanges, which is why that's the starting point for most people.  But one key point that I would like to highlight is you don't have to keep your funds on that exchange. And, so, the exchange that I typically use to buy crypto is Coinbase. Because Coinbase is a U.S.-headquartered institution. It's publicly traded on the U.S. stock market. Highly regulated by the SEC. And, so, it's, relative to FTX, a little bit safer but not totally safe.  There could be a run on Coinbase as well. But once you own crypto on Coinbase, you then have several options. You could move that money into something called a digital wallet. And what makes a digital wallet different from an exchange is that you, then, own the crypto. You manage what's called the private key. There's no risk of bankruptcy for some type of exchange because it's like money in your wallet. Just like U.S. dollars in a physical wallet, this is crypto in a digital wallet. You own it, you manage it, and so it protects you from some of those types of risks. Kelly:              For the first time, in my life, I understand everything you're saying. Lamont:         That's great. Kelly:              But you know what, how you described the exchange is making transactions on your behalf versus the digital wallet. I understand it because I actually own some crypto. Yes, I'm the accountant that owns some crypto. And let me tell you a little bit about the way Lamont and I met, first. Because, yes, we are colleagues at DePaul University in Chicago, but we also were in a movie together. And we were in a movie about a fast-appreciating asset, at that time, called HEX.  And, so, there was this production company that was doing a documentary about this gentleman by the name of Richard Hart. And Lamont and I actually flew out to the south of Spain to interview, can you believe we did this Lamont? Interview Richard Hart at this undisclosed mansion on the cliff of a mountain, on the side of a mountain. And I was completely skeptical of everything crypto. I didn't have the understanding that, of course, you had Lamont.  But it was fascinating to watch you go back and forth. You were a finance superhero going back and forth with this gentleman, about this cryptocurrency that he created. So my question to you is this; when we did this project, together, and all that you know about blockchain, all that you know about crypto. And then there's this new created currency that this gentleman started, what was your opinion of that experience? What was your opinion of HEX, at the time? Lamont:         Well, that was a pretty crazy experience. But it was great working with you on that. So I think what's hard for a lot of people, with cryptocurrency, is that there are so many of them. So I think everyone's now heard of Bitcoin. Most people have now heard of Ethereum or Ether. Those are the two largest cryptocurrencies. But if you go to a site like coinmarketcap.com you can see that there are now over 10,000 cryptocurrencies. And, so, people wonder, "Well, where should I invest?" "What's right, what's wrong?" "What's legit?" "What's a scam?" And I would acknowledge that there are a lot of cryptocurrencies that are a scam. That's why I don't encourage people to just follow hot tips. You should never be looking for some crypto that no one's ever heard of, but you think is going to pump for 100 X over five days or whatever. You should just focus on the core ones like Bitcoin and Ethereum.  But this documentary, we worked on, was for a particular cryptocurrency called HEX. Which is really an application, a project, built on Ethereum. And, so, what's also important to understand with cryptocurrency is you have your native tokens that trade on the blockchain itself, like Bitcoin or Ether on Ethereum.  But HEX is a project built on Ethereum that can create its own token, on top of the Ether token. And that project, the documentary, was really about is this project legitimate or not? And we were brought in, as the skeptics, to try and ask some hard questions. And I think we ended up in a place where we were not fully convinced that this was the future of cryptocurrency. I'm a big fan of this space. I do think cryptocurrency has a lot of potential still. But for some of these individual projects there's still a lot of question marks.Kelly:              Now, when you go in and you do your consulting with organizations. What do you find to be the questions that the employee population may have or the executives may have? Lamont:         Yes, so I'm in the finance department, in the financial services area. And, so, a lot of the firms that I work with are financial institutions, banks, credit unions. Trying to understand what does this mean for the future of money and banking, which is actually how I got into this space. So, as a quick background, I'm a former economist from The Federal Reserve. I was there through the financial crisis. And, so, my background is very much in risk and regulation.  But when I left The Fed to join DePaul and started teaching money and banking back in 2013. It was my students who started asking me about Bitcoin. And that started a whole journey, for me, about is Bitcoin money? And I'm now convinced that it is an important chapter in the evolution of money.  Whether Bitcoin itself will become a common means of payment, it's still yet to be seen. But money is digitizing and assets are digitizing, I think everyone would agree with that. And, so, the financial institutions that I work with are often inviting me in to speak to their board of directors, to speak to the leadership team. To talk about strategy and really strategic risk.  Could this emerging ecosystem of crypto and blockchain, potentially, disrupt traditional financial services? If people start using blockchain as a peer-to-peer payment system, that could disintermediate banks and credits from the payment network and the payment system. To the extent that people are now able to get loans on a blockchain. So decentralized finance, or DeFi, is an entire financial system that's being built on the blockchain network.  And, so, banks and credit unions are looking at this, trying to figure out do they have a role to play in the future of this technology? Because the original vision for crypto was replacing banks, even money without governments. But with the importance of regulation, with the importance of ethics and society. What we're likely going to see is an integration between traditional finance and decentralized finance. And banks and credit unions are going to have a very important role to play at that intersection. Kelly:              Interesting. Well, Lamont, this has been great. What I'm also excited about is we are working on a paper, together, in conjunction with, of course, the IMA, about the management, the risk of blockchain and what managerial accountants and finance professionals need to know about this space. So I hope that everyone that listens to our conversation, today, also reads the paper that we write because it's eye-opening.  I know that I've learned so much from working with you and listening to you. I did purchase a little snippet of HEX when we were doing that project, of course, it is almost worthless at this point. So I don't know that I am a big cryptocurrency cheerleader, yet.  But I do have a respect for blockchain and understand that it is something that we need to know. Like you said, I don't know where we'll be five, 10 years from now, but I do want to make sure that I am current. And this sounds like it could be a big change.  Something that you said in one of the answers to the questions, is you talked about the idea that blockchain is this decentralized, peer-to-peer type process. And I want to focus on the word decentralized. Because one thing that you said, when you talked about it being decentralized, is you then said that you used Coinbase. Which Coinbase was highly regulated, had oversight by the SEC.  And, so, what I took from your comments is the point of this integration piece is probably what makes most people feel confident, more confident and more secure. Because there are pros and cons about something that's decentralized. The pro is you don't have this third-party intermediary. But the con is you don't have the regulatory body that may give a sense of security and integrity to the data that a lot of us, especially accountants, are used to filling.  So I like how you talked about this idea of the integration of the two as opposed to the replacement of one. And that resonated with me because for people like me who are ultra-conservative, especially, when it comes to money. I think the integration and appreciating the integration of how this technology can impact business transactions, in the future, is really important to understand.  So I'm rambling a little bit, but I finally understand what you're talking about. I'm not a cheerleader like you, yet, but maybe one day. Maybe one day. So, any lasting thoughts that you want to say before we end our talk, today? Lamont:         Well, first of all, I'm very excited to work on this paper with you, Kelly. Because I think I'm coming at it from the perspective of finance. You're coming at it from the perspective of accounting. So in terms of managerial accounting, we're going to bring those two perspectives. Help people understand the implications of this technology, and help remove some of the fear and hesitation around this.  Because, like you said, crypto has very much gotten some bad press, recently, because of FTX. But I want to help people understand blockchain and crypto are related. We don't, necessarily, have to pull these two entirely apart.  And, so, in this article, we're going to talk about public blockchains like Ethereum. How can you use that for business use cases and things like that? So this will be a unique take on blockchain, relative to some of the other things that are out there in the accounting space. So I think we're going to have a lot of value to bring to the profession. Kelly:              Well, thank you so much for the time, Lamont, this is great. And, listen, we have a movie premiere coming up one of these days soon. So we need to walk the red carpet, bring our families to the red carpet, talking about this crypto movie we did together. So I can't wait for that day. Lamont:         I'm looking forward to it, too. Kelly:              Thanks so much for the time, today, I really appreciate it. Lamont:         Thank you, Kelly. Announcer:    This has been Count Me In, IMA's podcast, providing you with the latest perspectives of thought leaders from the accounting and finance profession. If you like what you heard and you'd like to be counted in for more relevant accounting and finance education, visit IMA's website site at www.imanet.org.

This week, helping us get Set For Sentencing is Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope.  She's a fraud expert, a filmmaker, and an accounting professor at DePaul University in Chicago.  Her latest book, “Fool Me Once: Scams Stories and secrets from the Trillion Dollar Fraud Industry," is burning up the charts nationally.  Why do people commit fraud?  What is the appropriate punishment? What is the public perception underlying and animating all of it?  This was a lively discussion that really struck at the heart of the goals of punishment and the truth about how justice is "served" in America. The discussion touches on many topics, but at the center of it all is one of the largest municipal fraud cases ever, that of Rita Crundwell, the subject of Dr. Pope's incredible documentary, "All the Queen's Horses."   Ms. Crundwell, was the comptroller of a small city in Illinois when she embezzled millions from the town coffers.  When Ms. Crundwell received early “compassionate” release from the federal Bureau of Prisons, her victims and those following the case were outraged.  They believed that because she only ended up serving 8.5 years of her 20 year sentence that a grave injustice occurred.   This episode, quite unintentionally drops amidst a wave of publicity about two other very high profile offenders.  The first is Elizabeth Holmes.  It seems the media somehow figured out for the first time, that Ms. Holmes, like EVERY OTHER FEDERAL DEFENDANT EVER, will not have to serve her full sentence.  She will literally earn YEARS off her sentence for good behavior and participating in programming.  This too seems to outrage those who might otherwise have a surface level view of the many complicated layers of federal sentencing. Virtually the same day all the Elizabeth Holmes faux outrage click-bait machine revved up, we heard the news about Leslie Van Houton's parole.   She was responsible, among others, for the brutal murders of Rosemary and Leo LaBianca in 1969.  She was a 19-year-old runaway at the time, and under the influence of career criminal, psychopath, cult leader Charles Manson.  She was sentenced to life in prison, but was paroled after serving fifty-three years.  Now, compare the crimes of Van Houten (53 years for 2 heinous murders) and Holmes (11.5 years for hundreds of millions of dollars) with Crundwell (over 20 years for 50 million).  Does that put Crundwell's record-setting sentence in any better perspective?  Do we feel any better about the fact that she "only" served 8.5 years in federal prison? IN THIS EPISODE: The importance of storytelling to achieve empathy; The “3 forces of fraud” – Opportunity, Pressure, and Rationalization; Unpacking the Rationalization component of the fraud triangle; The “three categories” of fraud offenders:  Intentional, accidental, and righteous; Dr. Pope's take on Elizabeth Holmes as “righteous perpetrator”; Dr. Pope's take on Edward Snowden as “righteous perpetrator”; The role of race and gender in sentencing; The goals of punishment and whether justice was served in Rita Crundwell's case. LINKS: Fool Me Once on Amazon:  https://a.co/d/3b0NFJD Fraud Game Designed by Dr. Pope!  https://trueup-content.s3.amazonaws.com/Fool+Me+Once+Fraud+Experience/story.html Rita Crundwell Documentary, Directed by Dr. Pope on Amazon Prime:   https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07BPR2Y2C/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r Elizabeth Holmes podcast:  Since we talked a bunch about Ms. Holmes in this episode, you may want to listen to our podcast about her sentencing on Youtube, the interwebs, or wherever else you get your podcasts. We also mentioned Walt Pavlo (prisonology) and Mark Allenbaugh (you know, my pal and sentencing stats guru).  As always, if you need their help, I encourage you to contact them. www.prisonology.com or www.sentencingstats.com  

We all probably think that we know the difference between right and wrong, and wouldn't get caught up in something we aren't supposed to be doing, but according to Kelly Richmond Pope, it can be a slippery slope. Some people get into legal trouble by starting small or by not speaking up when someone sneakily gets them involved. On this episode of the How'd It Happen Podcast, Mike and Kelly discuss the three categories of fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteous. Kelly wants to turn fraud upside down and allow people to see themselves in these unethical decisions. She wants to stop the language of "it's them, not me" and be more inclusive in understanding that it can be us. She explains that anyone can be talked into anything under the right circumstances and that we have a great ability to compartmentalize levels when it comes to what we will and won't do.Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. Her area of expertise lies in understanding and identifying financial fraud risk within financial statements, assessing corporate culture and compliance systems designed to confront internal control challenges. Pope's research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary, All the Queen's Horses which explores the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. Pope's TED Talk entitled "How Whistle-blowers Shape History” has been viewed over 1.6 million times.In this episode, Mike and Kelly explore the trillion-dollar fraud industry. They discuss the power of persuasion and the importance of embracing internal whistleblowing. Learn how to recognize and prevent fraud and protect yourself from being a victim of fraud or getting involved in the wrong situation.Key highlights:Fraud perpetrators: intentional, accidental, and righteousThe problem with our culture encouraging people to mind their own businessDifferent types of whistleblowers and their importanceHow to protect yourself from fraud and getting involved in unethical or illegal situationsEpisode resources:Fool Me Once: A Fraud ExperienceKelly's book: Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry Connect with Kelly Richmond Pope:Website: kellyrichmondpope.comInstagram: @kellyrpopeLinkedIn: Kelly Richmond Pope, CPATo Connect with Mike: Website LinkedIn Instagram Twitter YouTube Coaching Get Mike's book: Owner Shift Please LIKE

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Welcome to episode #884 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #884. Meet Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, our guide through the shadowy labyrinth of financial fraud and the newest rockstar in the world of accounting (and yes, those words can go together). Kelly isn't your typical number cruncher - she's a bona fide detective of financial misdeeds, a virtuoso in the symphony of numbers, and a professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University. Gaining recognition from the AICPA and the CPA Practice Advisor, she's been listed among the top 25 most powerful women in accounting, and her expertise? Sniffing out the faintest whiff of financial fraud, dissecting corporate culture, and assessing compliance systems designed to tackle internal control challenges. With her knack for storytelling, she turned her research on executive misconduct into a fascinating documentary, All The Queen's Horses, a deep dive into the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. But it doesn't stop at films. Her TED Talk, How Whistle-blowers Shape History, has hit over 1.6 million views, helping organizations and individuals appreciate the power of internal whistleblowing. The story gets juicier, with her new book, Fool Me Once, she pulls back the curtain on the trillion-dollar fraud industry. Filled with tales of fraudsters, their victims, and the whistleblowers who dare to expose them. Her aim? To make fraud more relatable, and by doing so, protect us and our companies from falling into the fraudster's trap. This is a new way to think about what it really means to "do the right thing." Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 51:37. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on Twitter. Here is my conversation with Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope. Fool Me Once. All The Queen's Horses. How Whistle-blowers Shape History. Follow Kelly on Instagram. Follow Kelly on LinkedIn. Follow Kelly on Twitter. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'.

Welcome to our pre-Season 4 Red Flag Bonus episode! We got friends like Lamont King and Erin and Jason Saenz telling us their personal stories of not seein' red flags and gettin' scammed. It'll leave you givin some side eye to gift cards and plane tickets. We also talk to Kelly Richmond Pope, author of "Fool Me Once", about the red flags to spot and how when we're at our most vulnerable. Make sure to follow us so you don't miss our Season 4 premiere that drops tomorrow!Welcome to our pre-Season 4 Red Flag Bonus episode! We got friends like Lamont King and Erin and Jason Saenz telling us their personal stories of not seein' red flags and gettin' scammed. It'll leave you givin some side eye to gift cards and plane tickets. We also talk to Kelly Richmond Pope, author of "Fool Me Once", about the red flags to spot and how when we're at our most vulnerable. Make sure to follow us so you don't miss our Season 4 premiere that drops tomorrow!Follow The Show: Website: https://fraudsters.fm/Twitter: https://twitter.com/fraudstersLPNInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/fraudsterslpn/Follow on Discord: https://discord.gg/WRZ8zgusPTOur hosts:https://twitter.com/seenanowhttps://www.instagram.com/justin_williams_comedyhttps://twitter.com/arielleaty Follow our Guests:Kelly Richmond Popehttps://www.kellyrichmondpope.com/allthequeenshorsesfilm.comLamont King: Twitter @MrLamontKingErin Saenz: IG: @erinmcgownJason Saenz: IG: @jasoncsaenzMusic Credit and Sound Fx:https://twitter.com/gograntgordonSeason Cover Art by:https://comedyartwork.com/

“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” —Anthony Weldon in The Court and Character in King James (1651) Are you an accidental fraudster? An unknowing victim? A righteous whistleblower? The possibilities are closer than you think. Today's guest, forensic accounting professor Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, is here to remind us that fraud can happen to—and be committed by—any of us. Among companies with over $10 billion in global annual revenues, 52% experienced fraud during the past 24 months. Since the pandemic hit, global online fraud has increased by 46%. Even worse, “We regularly miss the red flags that are swatting us in the face.” Listen in to this conversation to learn why business is a victim hallmark, what makes us susceptible to fraudsters or to committing accidental fraud, and how to get better at spotting red flags. More About Kelly: Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting, and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author, and award-winning documentary filmmaker. She is the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago, IL. Her TED Talk entitled "How Whistle-blowers Shape History” has been viewed over 1.6 million times, translated into 20 languages, and serves as a resource to help organizations and individuals embrace internal whistleblowing. She is the author of Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry.

What does it mean to be the only one in the room who knows something is wrong? You're the only one in your company who sees the number they missed. What do you do? Do you speak up? Try this on -- is anything really that bad going to happen if you keep it to yourself? All those little decisions, to sit on some information, or fudge a number, they add up to the tune of about one trillion dollars of fraud a year.  Kelly Richmond Pope is a forensic accountant, a professor at DePaul University and an award-winning documentarian and filmmaker. Her documentary on the not-too-distant world of fraudsters and whistleblowers is called “All The Queen's Horses,” out on Netflix. And now Kelly is out with a book, "Fool Me Once," diving deep into that same world. She's covered everyone from Madoff, to Elizabeth Holmes, to the embezzler of a grill from Lowes. We'll talk about what makes a predator in this world, what makes prey, and how the line isn't as distinct as we'd hope. That's where the third path -- whistleblowing -- comes in.  

In this edition of Entrepreneurial Appetite's Black Book Discussions, we bring you a conversation with Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, author of Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion Dollar Fraud Industry.About the book: A riveting look at the perpetrators, victims, and whistleblowers behind financial crimes, from forensic accounting expert and documentarian Kelly Richmond Pope. Have you ever wondered why Bernie Madoff thought he could brazenly steal his clients' money? Or why investors were so easily duped by Elizabeth Holmes? Or how courageous people like Jeffrey Wigand are willing to become whistleblowers and put their careers on the line? Fraud is everywhere, from Nigerian "princes," embezzlers, and Ponzi schemers to corporate giants like Enron and Volkswagen. And fraud is costly. Each year, consumers, small businesses, governments, and corporations lose trillions of dollars to financial crime. We're so accustomed to hearing about fraud that our abilities to identify it and speak about it are limited. No more. In "Fool Me Once," renowned forensic accounting expert Kelly Richmond Pope shows fraud in action, uncovering what makes perps tick, victims so gullible, and whistleblowers so morally righteous, while also encouraging us to look at our own behaviors and motivations in the hope of protecting ourselves and our companies. By the time you finish this book, you'll have a better understanding of--and perhaps even compassion for--perpetrators, a renewed connection to victims, and an appreciation for those who blow the whistle. Filled with fascinating stories and insightful analysis, "Fool Me Once" will open your eyes and challenge your thinking. It will inspire you to question your own preconceived notions about fraud. It will challenge your beliefs about yourself and other people. And it will help you understand a phenomenon that most of us fail to grasp--until it's too late.About the author: Kelly Richmond Pope is the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University. Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, forensic accounting and white-collar crime research, and an award-winning educator, researcher, author and documentary filmmaker. She teaches managerial and forensic accounting to undergraduate and graduate students. She's the author of "Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry" (Harvard Business Review Press, March 2023), which was named one of the "40 Nonfiction Books to Watch Out for in 2023" by the Next Big Idea Book Club.Support the show

Have you ever wondered why Bernie Madoff thought he could brazenly steal his clients' money? Or why investors were so easily duped by Elizabeth Holmes? Or how courageous people like Jeffrey Wigand are willing to become whistleblowers and put their careers on the line? Fraud is everywhere, and it is costly. In Fool Me Once, renowned forensic accounting expert Kelly Richmond Pope shows fraud in action, uncovering what makes perps tick, victims so gullible, and whistleblowers so morally righteous. Shermer and Pope discuss: SBF and FTX • Bernie Madoff • The Tinder Swindler • gullibility • intentional perps, accidental perps, and righteous perps • innocent bystanders and organizational targets • accidental whistleblowers, noble whistleblowers, and vigilante whistleblowers • identity theft • IRS scams • doping in sports • Frank Abagnale Jr. • Edward Snowden and Julian Assange as righteous perps • Daniel Ellsberg as a noble whistleblower • Phil Zimbardo and The Lucifer Effect • how to tell if you have been a victim of financial fraud. Kelly Richmond Pope is the Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago. Pope's research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary, All the Queen's Horses, which explores the largest municipal fraud in U.S. history. In 2020 the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA) and CPA Practice Advisor named Pope as one of the twenty-five Most Powerful Women in Accounting. Her new book is Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry.

The Context of White Supremacy hosts the weekly forum on Neutralizing Workplace Racism 04/07/23 - The Good Friday edition. Today we'll hear a bit of Kelly Richmond Pope's presentation on her new book which examines fraud in the workplace. Under the System of White Supremacy, Racism and criminal looting should be expected on the job. Two of the better recommendations she offers are to ask questions and to consult with and inquire about policy and procedure. Richmond Pope highlights that new hires and other less powerful employees may feel bullied into complying with fraudulent activities. Call on your black self respect to speak up - or send an email asking a few questions. We also discuss the tendency to humiliate and publicly embarrass black workers on the job. White and non-white workers engage in this pitiful practice. #BewareTheWhiteRabbit #TheCOWS14Years INVEST in The COWS – http://paypal.me/TheCOWS Cash App: https://cash.app/$TheCOWS CALL IN NUMBER: 605.313.5164 CODE: 564943#

Meta, the parent company of Facebook, is looking to follow tech giants Microsoft and Alphabet into the world of computational artificial intelligence — albeit a bit belatedly. We look into what the company is dubbing “SAM”, which is in development to complement AI systems like ChatGPT. And, amid news of charges against a startup CEO who allegedly defrauded JPMorgan of $175 million, we talk with DePaul accounting professor Kelly Richmond Pope about her new book on the complexity of modern financial fraud.

Meta, the parent company of Facebook, is looking to follow tech giants Microsoft and Alphabet into the world of computational artificial intelligence — albeit a bit belatedly. We look into what the company is dubbing “SAM”, which is in development to complement AI systems like ChatGPT. And, amid news of charges against a startup CEO who allegedly defrauded JPMorgan of $175 million, we talk with DePaul accounting professor Kelly Richmond Pope about her new book on the complexity of modern financial fraud.

From Theranos to Enron, we can't get enough of corporate scandals. We also can't get enough of the intriguing people who perpetrate them. But instigators of fraud are not all Disneyesque villains chasing money and power at any cost, says DePaul University accounting professor Kelly Richmond Pope. She studies white-collar crime and finds that besides intentional perpetrators, there are also accidental and righteous ones. And she shares real stories of these long-overlooked employees and explains exactly which behaviors and incentives should raise red flags for managers and leaders. Pope is the author of the new book Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry.

Even if there are not many obvious warning signs, a gut feeling can tell you when something seems amiss.  Kelly Richmond Pope is the Dr. Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University and the author of the book “Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry.” Pope joined Ricky Mulvey to discuss: - How to talk to aging relatives about fraud - What your “gut feeling” can tell you about potential scams  - What generative AI means for the future of fraud Company discussed: WFC Host: Ricky Mulvey  Guest: Kelly Richmond Pope Engineers: Dan Boyd, Rick Engdahl

Kelly Richmond Pope, Professor of Accountancy at DePaul University, discusses her book Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry. Hosts: Carol Massar and Jess Menton. Producer: Paul Brennan.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, James welcomes Kelly Richmond-Pope, a forensic accountant and professor at DePaul University, to discuss her new book Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry.The book explores the world of financial fraud and provides insights into how fraudsters operate, the damage they cause, and the techniques used to catch them. James and Kelly dive into some examples from the book to examine the three types of financial fraudsters: Intentional Perpetrators, Righteous Perpetrators, and Accidental Perpetrators.Intentional Perpetrators are those who knowingly commit fraud for personal gain. Kelly shares some fascinating stories about individuals who engaged in elaborate schemes to defraud others, including the city comptroller of Dixon, IL (population: 16,000) who embezzled over $53.7m from the town's coffers.Righteous Perpetrators, on the other hand, believe that they are acting in the best interest of others when they commit fraud. Kelly provides examples of individuals who embezzled funds from their companies to support their personal causes, such as a woman who stole money from her slumlord boss to benefit her community.Lastly, Accidental Perpetrators are those who unknowingly commit fraud. Kelly discusses cases where people unintentionally misrepresent their financial statements or fail to report income accurately, resulting in unintentional fraud.Throughout the episode, James and Kelly also explore some of the broader issues surrounding financial fraud, and the importance of education in preventing fraud.  Don't miss this captivating episode if you're curious about the fascinating world of finance, fraud, and forensics. Kelly Richmond Pope's WebsiteFool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud IndustryWatch her documentary All the Queen's Horses on Prime Video------------Visit Notepd.com to read our idea lists & sign up to create your own!My new book Skip the Line is out! Make sure you get a copy wherever books are sold!Join the You Should Run for President 2.0 Facebook Group, where we discuss why you should run for President.I write about all my podcasts! Check out the full post and learn what I learned at jamesaltucher.com/podcast.------------Thank you so much for listening! If you like this episode, please rate, review, and subscribe  to “The James Altucher Show” wherever you get your podcasts: Apple PodcastsStitcheriHeart RadioSpotifyFollow me on Social Media:YouTubeTwitterFacebook

Today, James welcomes Kelly Richmond-Pope, a forensic accountant and professor at DePaul University, to discuss her new book Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry.The book explores the world of financial fraud and provides insights into how fraudsters operate, the damage they cause, and the techniques used to catch them. James and Kelly dive into some examples from the book to examine the three types of financial fraudsters: Intentional Perpetrators, Righteous Perpetrators, and Accidental Perpetrators.Intentional Perpetrators are those who knowingly commit fraud for personal gain. Kelly shares some fascinating stories about individuals who engaged in elaborate schemes to defraud others, including the city comptroller of Dixon, IL (population: 16,000) who embezzled over $53.7m from the town's coffers.Righteous Perpetrators, on the other hand, believe that they are acting in the best interest of others when they commit fraud. Kelly provides examples of individuals who embezzled funds from their companies to support their personal causes, such as a woman who stole money from her slumlord boss to benefit her community.Lastly, Accidental Perpetrators are those who unknowingly commit fraud. Kelly discusses cases where people unintentionally misrepresent their financial statements or fail to report income accurately, resulting in unintentional fraud.Throughout the episode, James and Kelly also explore some of the broader issues surrounding financial fraud, and the importance of education in preventing fraud.  Don't miss this captivating episode if you're curious about the fascinating world of finance, fraud, and forensics. Kelly Richmond Pope's WebsiteFool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud IndustryWatch her documentary All the Queen's Horses on Prime Video------------Visit Notepd.com to read our idea lists & sign up to create your own!My new book Skip the Line is out! Make sure you get a copy wherever books are sold!Join the You Should Run for President 2.0 Facebook Group, where we discuss why you should run for President.I write about all my podcasts! Check out the full post and learn what I learned at jamesaltucher.com/podcast.------------Thank you so much for listening! If you like this episode, please rate, review, and subscribe  to "The James Altucher Show" wherever you get your podcasts: Apple PodcastsStitcheriHeart RadioSpotifyFollow me on Social Media:YouTubeTwitterFacebook ------------What do YOU think of the show? Head to JamesAltucherShow.com/listeners and fill out a short survey that will help us better tailor the podcast to our audience!Are you interested in getting direct answers from James about your question on a podcast? Go to JamesAltucherShow.com/AskAltucher and send in your questions to be answered on the air!------------Visit Notepd.com to read our idea lists & sign up to create your own!My new book, Skip the Line, is out! Make sure you get a copy wherever books are sold!Join the You Should Run for President 2.0 Facebook Group, where we discuss why you should run for President.I write about all my podcasts! Check out the full post and learn what I learned at jamesaltuchershow.com------------Thank you so much for listening! If you like this episode, please rate, review, and subscribe to "The James Altucher Show" wherever you get your podcasts: Apple PodcastsiHeart RadioSpotifyFollow me on social media:YouTubeTwitterFacebookLinkedIn

Fraud. It's all around us. Enough so that it got me thinking: has it always been that way? Is it getting worse? To that end, I wanted to speak to Kelly Richmond Pope. She's the Barry Jay Epstein Endowed Professor of Forensic Accounting at DePaul University in Chicago. Pope's research on executive misconduct culminated in directing and producing the award-winning documentary, All the Queen's Horses, which explores the largest municipal fraud in US history. She's been called one of the twenty-five Most Powerful Women in Accounting. As always, we welcome your feedback. Please make sure to subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play - and make sure to follow us on Facebook and LinkedIn!