Podcasts about Pagan Christianity

Luke, Rod, and Pete conclude our conversation started in EP 111 as we compare and contrast the damaging, limiting, and unbiblical practices of how most modern Christians in the west meet in our church "services", and what it could or should look like instead. Reading Frank Viola's "Pagan Christianity" as well as his follow-up books on organic church are a must-read resource to understand just how far what we call church is from what God intended our gatherings to be. Check out Rod's show here: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/millennial-mustard-seed/id1504504171 Please consider supporting our podcast; for Luke and I to create 4 episodes a month takes an average of 40 hours to research, record, and produce, sometimes more. If you find value in our work and would like to help support us, please choose from the options below. Thanks very much!! -Luke and Pete ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Paypal: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.paypal.me/peteohlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Cash App: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://cash.app/$PeteOhlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Venmo: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://venmo.com/u/Pete-Ohlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to contact us with any questions or comments for the show! Email us at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thedaysofnoahpodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠      ⁠ ⁠⁠We'd love to hear from you! Thanks for listening- we appreciate each and every one of you out there. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe, and tell your friends and family about the show, and leave us a five-star review, which helps to spread the show to others! Original Music by BassManPete Cover art is of Mt. Hermon, site of the Watcher's descent, photo credit: By Almog - Own work, Public Domain, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2181987⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and beautifully crafted into our logo by graphic designer Christine Forster (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/GfxChristine00?s=20⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)

I will not show partiality to any man or use flattery toward any person. For I do not know how to flatter, else my Maker would soon take me away. - Job 32:21-22   This Episode's Links and Timestamps: 00:00 – Scripture Reading 07:55 – My Commentary on Job 32 45:04 – RESPECTFUL | definition – Cambridge Dictionary 1:03:17 - Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees – Matthew 23, Bible Gateway 1:21:17 – About Frank Viola – FrankViola.org 1:27:17 – ‘Pagan Christianity?: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices' by Frank Viola and George Barna – GoodReads

Today I have a conversation with pastor Kentaro Matsuda about how he reaches people who haven't lost their faith, but have stepped away from church. He recently translated Frank Viola's 'Pagan Christianity' into Japanese, and we talk about that too.

Topics: Church, Church, Service, Tradition of Men, Colossians 2:8, Mark 7:9, Old Doesn't Mean Good or True, Traditions Die Hard, Catholics Have 2,000 Years of Man-Made Tradition, Protestants Have 500 Years of Man-Made Tradition, Good Traditions Come From Apostles, What They Say and Write, From “Us,” 2 Thessalonians 2:15, Church System Today Is Nowhere to be Found in the Bible, All Built on Tradition of Men Which Overlooks Scripture, How to Do Church, Pagan Christianity, A Church Building Every Half Mile, What's With Paul and Women, When You Gather, 1 Corinthians 11-14, No Other Part of Bible Has Connotation of Gathering But Everyday Life, Even Pastoral Letters Are Not Pastoral Letters Nor Describe Gatherings, John Calvin Superimposed Errors, Calvinism, Places of Study of Calvin, Puritans Studied Calvinism, Puritans Can Be Blamed For Not-Attending-Church Guilt, Publicly Punished For Skipping Church, Do Not Forsake the Assembly, Before Calvin Was Martin Luther, Said He Was Reforming Catholic Church, Luther Just Put a Different Hat On Liturgy, Replaced Eucharist with Sermon, Priest With Pastor, Altar Table with Pulpit, Still A Top-Down Authority System, Still Clergy and Laity Distinction, History of Catholic Liturgy, Mostly Established by Church Fathers, Solidified by Constantine, Set in Stone By Gregory the Great, Mass Is Not Biblical But Based On Magic Paganism and Judaism, Gregory the Great in 6th Century Was Former Monk Turned Pope, What We See Today on Both Sides Have No Biblical Foundation, Peel Layer of Tradition of Men Off Scripture, Some Churches Require Signed Contracts, Sit Down Shut Up Or Leave, Brother Bob and Jim Will See You to the Door, Man of God Preaches Here, Go Down the Road to Get Your Ears Tickled, Open Sharing is Scriptural, It Would Be Outrageous If You Attempted to Share in the Middle of Service, Box Church Reflects Cult-Gathering, One-Man Dominance, One-Made Subjective Monologue, Congregation Attempts to Impress Leader, Body of Christ is Atrophied Because of One Member Usage, Box Church Has Choke Hold On Jesus Expressing Himself, No Room For Anyone to Share Unless It's a Special Day, “We Have a Special Speaker/Song!”, You're Forced to be Muted, You Can't Enrich Others Nor Be Enriched, Certain Gifts Have Been Twisted and Other Gifts Ignored, The Love of Each Member Is Snuffed Out, Only Open Your Mouth During Worship, Entire Time of Gathering Is Supposed to Be Worshiping by Expressing Christ, The Meeting Is Not Open, Everyone Isn't Encouraged to Share, Spontaneity Is Not Encouraged, Boring Liturgy, Entertainment Liturgy, Watch People Sing and Preach, Body of Christ Is Crippled, Every Member Functioning Ignored, Entire Gathering Directed by One Person Or Handful of People, Limited by One Person's Guidance, Passive Spectators, Where the Spirit of the Lord Is There Should Be Freedom, Christ Has No Freedom to Express Himself Through You, We Need to Repent Toward Scripture, What Do We See In First Corinthians 11-14, Paul Writing to Worst-Behaved Group of Ecclesia, He Doesn't Shut Gatherings Down Assign Top-Down Authority System and Hand Out Bulletins, Nor Does He Say Get the Elders to Get Things In Line, Work It Out Amongst Yourself, Examine Yourselves, Have a Meal and Remember What Jesus Has Done, Be Spontaneous, Everyone Should Participate, You're A Body With Many Members, All Members Are Vital, All Members Need the Other Members, Everything Shouldn't Be Put on One Body Part, God Has Put Together the Body, Everyone Has the Right to Share, Others Allowed to Interject While Sharing, No Pastors Elders Deacons Sermons or Tithing, Express Gifts Decently and In Order, Visitors Will Think You're Mad, Love Is the Greatest GiftSupport the Show.Sign up for Matt's free daily devotional! https://mattmcmillen.com/newsletter

Topics: Catholic, Catholicism, Eucharist, Communion, Trapped in Catholicism, Pagan Christianity, A Church Building Every Half Mile, Bitter and Angry Apologists, Are Catholics Christians, Denominations Don't Determine Salvation, Neither Catholic Nor Protestant, The New Creation in Christ, Literally Consume Jesus, Body and Blood, Paganism and Magic, Originated in Rome Influenced By Many Greek Gods, The Word Catholic Means Universal, John 6, Eat My Flesh Drink My Blood, Comparing Himself to Manna, Manna Sent From Heaven for Life and So Was Jesus, The Flesh Counts For Nothing, Life is In His Words, Acts 1, He Literally Ascended, Ritual of Man Officiating Began with Church Fathers, Flour and Water From Factory, Wine From Factory, Eucharist Not in the Bible, Repeatedly Crucifying Jesus, Romans 6, Death No Longer Has Mastery Over Him, The Life He Lives He Lives Forever, Sacrificed Once For Sins, Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 1:3, Eucharist Ignored Finality of the Cross, It Is Finished, John 19:30, Communion Not a Sacrament but a Full Meal, The Love Feast, The Agape, 1 Corinthians 11, Feast to Love Others and Remember What Jesus Has Done, Not Remember Our Sins, Hebrews 7:25, He Always Lives, Authority to Forgive Sins, John 20, If You Forgive Anyone's Sins, Disciples Were Not Priests, Fishermen Tax Collector and Treasurer, Disciples Were Jewish and Went to the Temple for Forgiveness Where the Priests Were, They Knew Blood Forgives, They Weren't Forgiving and Shedding Animal Blood at That Same Time, Hebrews 9:22, Without Shedding of Blood No Forgiveness, Old Covenant Still in Effect, Same Message I Tell People, Your Sins Have Been Forgiven For His Name's Sake, Forgiveness Through Confession, 1 John 1:9, Surrounding Context of 1 John, Jesus Didn't Come in the Flesh, Sin Not a Real Thing, We Touched Him, If We Say We Have No Sin, Confess Means to Agree With, All Means All, John was a Jew Who Received Forgiveness Only by Blood, Jesus Isn't repeatedly Dying Each Confession, What About Sins You Forget About, Peter Was Original Pope, Apostolic Succession, Cyprian of Carthage, Pope Means Father, Call No Man Father, Matthew 23, Pontifex Maximus, Peter Was a Fisherman, We Are All Members of a Royal Priesthood, Matthew 16, Peter is the Rock, The Gospel is the Rock, Peter Denied Jesus, Jesus Called Peter Satan, Peter Cursed the Girl Out, Peter Tried to Stop the Crucifixion, Peter Wouldn't Eat with the Gentiles, Galatians 2, Acts 5, Ananias and Sapphire, Lying About Money Is Sin, Peter Not the Original Pope or Rock, Church Fathers, Tradition of Men, Jesus and Paul Warned Against Tradition, Call No Man Father, Paul Referred to As Father in Philippians 2 and 1 Corinthians 4, Disciples and Apostles Were Not Church Fathers, No Such Thing as Church Fathers, Old Doesn't Equal Truth, Judaism is 3500 Years Old, Islam is 1400 Years Old, Church Father's Struggled With Error, All Scripture is God-Breathed, Letters Left Out of Canon for a ReasonSupport the Show.Sign up for Matt's free daily devotional! https://mattmcmillen.com/newsletter

We welcome Rick Copeland from That's So Fringy podcast (https://thatssofringypodcast.com/) to talk about what's gone wrong with how to do "church". So much man-made traditions and ideas have been added, that the body of Christ, in most cases, struggles to operate with the freedom it was meant to have with Christ as its only functional head, not hampered by hierarchies and constraints, but instead, an "every member functioning/open participatory meetings" type of gathering.  Foundational to understanding what has gone wrong is the book by Frank Viola and George Barna, Pagan Christianity (https://paganchristianity.org/) and Frank's follow-up books on organic church (https://www.frankviola.org/2010/01/11/what-is-an-organic-church-a-plea-for-clarity/) Please consider supporting our podcast; for Luke and I to create 4 episodes a month takes an average of 40 hours to research, record, and produce, sometimes more. If you find value in our work and would like to help support us, please choose from the options below. Thanks very much!! -Luke and Pete ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Paypal: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.paypal.me/peteohlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Cash App: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://cash.app/$PeteOhlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Venmo: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://venmo.com/u/Pete-Ohlinger⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to contact us with any questions or comments for the show! Email us at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thedaysofnoahpodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠      ⁠ ⁠⁠We'd love to hear from you! Thanks for listening- we appreciate each and every one of you out there. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe, and tell your friends and family about the show, and leave us a five-star review, which helps to spread the show to others! Original Music by BassManPete Cover art is of Mt. Hermon, site of the Watcher's descent, photo credit: By Almog - Own work, Public Domain, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2181987⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and beautifully crafted into our logo by graphic designer Christine Forster (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/GfxChristine00?s=20⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)    

In Julie Harwick's last podcast for Women World Leaders (Episode 551 - A Warning from the Ancients), she talked about the dangers of succumbing to false teaching because of the way culture so easily infiltrates the Church. Join her today as she looks more closely at how the modern Church came to be and begins to ask some hard questions, finding further confirmation that it's very different from the Church described in the New Testament. **** Welcome to Women World Leaders podcast. I'm your host, Julie Harwick. Thank you for joining me today as we celebrate God's grace in our lives, in this ministry and around the world. In my very first podcast with Women World Leaders I shared how I came to faith. It's not very glamorous or exciting, but it is kind of different and I'll share some of it again because it's relevant to our topic.  I grew up in a very devout Catholic home. My dad had attended Catholic school and mass on every Sunday of his life.  My mom converted in order to marry him and they made sure I was baptized in the Church before I was even a week old. He was so devout that even on vacation, we would seek out the nearest Catholic parish and make sure we went to mass either Saturday night or Sunday morning.  And of course, that meant I had to go to catechism for five long years.  But in spite of his unwavering commitment to the Catholic faith, my dad was a seeker.  He read the bible and many other Christian books and listened voraciously to a variety of Christian radio programs. He encouraged me to go to an after-school bible club when I learned about it in the fall of first grade.  At my very first visit to the Good News Club, I heard a clear presentation of the gospel and responded without hesitation.   For the next six years, it was the highlight of my school week and I threw myself wholeheartedly into everything it had to offer:  bible stories, scripture memorization and songs.  So on Monday afternoons I got filled up on the bible and on Saturday mornings, I got filled up on Catholic teaching.  But the deeper I got into each one, the more discrepancies I discovered between them.   Full disclosure here: I wanted to go to Good News Club where I was rewarded for my efforts with lots of candy, interesting bible stories and a fun time with my friends.  I did not want to go to catechism which offered no candy and kept me from the finest tv viewing of the week – the one 4-hour block of programming designed just for me at a time when no one else in the household wanted to watch.  So, I may have been approaching catechism with a negative predisposition, but there was no denying the questions that began to pop up in my elementary school brain. Why do I have to memorize and repeat prayers?  I talk to God all the time about whatever pops into my head…in words that we both understand.  What in the world does “blessed is the fruit of thy womb” mean anyway? When I summoned the courage to ask a nun why I should pray to Mary, her answer mystified me.  “Mary will tell Jesus and Jesus will tell God,” she explained.  It immediately brought to mind the game of telephone that we often played when the class had to stay inside for recess.  Those messages always got completely messed up, so why wouldn't I just tell God directly?  When a nun asked me whether I believed that the fancy box with curtains all around it on the altar actually held the body of Jesus, I knew how I was supposed to answer, but I just couldn't.  First of all…gross.  Second of all, I knew there were Catholic churches in every city everywhere in the world, so how could there be enough of Jesus' body for all of them? In Good News Club I had learned the story of the Last Supper and even my 8-year-old mind could grasp that Jesus was saying that the bread was meant to represent His body.  I had many questions and I grew more and more skeptical of what I was learning on Saturday mornings.  I must've shared my questions with my parents.  I certainly let them know how much I hated going to catechism and frequently begged them to let me stop going.  At the same time, God was busy at work in my dad's life.  He brought a priest to our local parish who fully understood and preached what it meant to be saved by grace.  My father had heard that message for years from daily Christian radio broadcasts, but when he finally heard it confirmed by a Catholic priest, he was fully ready to receive it.  We continued to attend mass for about another year, but my catechism days were over. In retrospect, I'm kind of surprised at my younger self for not just taking everything I was told as gospel. I actually thought about everything I was taught and I believe that the Holy Spirit within me wouldn't allow me to accept anything that conflicted with what I knew of God's word. But somewhere along the way, I lost that questioning nature. I was confronted with that realization as I was doing research for my last podcast.  In trying to figure out how the church got so far away from its humble and simple beginnings, I read a book called “Pagan Christianity,” by Frank Viola and George Barna.  My husband had read it years ago and shared much of what he learned.  Although I was very intrigued by what he told me, I never bothered to read it for myself until now.  A part of me wishes I hadn't, because now I'm responsible for what I know and I'm really not sure what to do with my new-found knowledge. The book examines everything the New Testament tells us about the Church and how it functioned.  And that is very, very different from the Church we know today.  More than half of the book is footnotes detailing where the authors sourced the changing history of the Church as well as comments from modern Church leaders. I was immediately convicted that even though I frequently criticize the Church of Jesus Christ  which looks more and more like the world and less and less like Jesus, I have accepted the status quo for years with very little scrutinization. Even though I'm well aware that the building I drive to on a Sunday morning is not the Church, I have fallen into the habit of thinking that what takes place there, is.  The authors clearly point out that Church is not somewhere you go, it's something you are. The first followers of Christ understood this and were much more focused on being in fellowship with one another than having an order of business for their gatherings.  From what the New Testament tells us, they met together in individual homes where they could enjoy a meal together, learn from one another and encourage each other.  That's it. No church building, no professionally trained clergy, no piano, organ or band, no four-point sermon with an accompanying fill-in-the-blank program, no announcements about upcoming events…it was very simple and very personal. So how did we get from A to B?  The book lays out the origins of everything that's been added and most of it is rooted in paganism.  The culture of the first century was completely intertwined with paganism. Ruins that still remain from that time period are completely dominated by temples built for a large variety of gods and goddesses.  These magnificent buildings were filled with priests who served there, night and day.  They performed rituals, some seeming almost magical, while dressed in beautiful priestly robes. They received sacrifices and dispensed blessings, burned incense and led the people in chants or songs.  First and second century people were very accustomed to these practices and as the years went by, they slowly began to creep into the Church.  No one had a greater impact on this shift than the Emperor Constantine in the 300's. The first pagan emperor to embrace and even legalize Christianity felt that building large, ornate church buildings would be the best way to build acceptance among the population who had been used to all legitimate religions being propagated through temples. He also instituted the practice of having priests and bishops to lead and determine what activities should take place within the new church buildings. He encouraged them to develop special robes and garments that would set them apart from ordinary believers.  He began to view Jesus strictly as a conquering hero who had conquered death and would now enable him to conquer all of the empire's enemies. He then made the move from making Christianity legal to making it the official, required state religion.  Those who would not comply were seen as enemies of the cross.  Where following Christ had cost the early Christians everything, it was now, the path of least resistance. It makes you wonder if Satan didn't come to the realization that persecuting the Church only made it stronger and he would do much better to weaken it from within. Is it any wonder that the more mainstream and socially acceptable it became, the further it moved from Jesus' teaching.  Acts 3 describes the early Church this way.  “The congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them. And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus and abundant grace was upon them all.” By the mid 300's the Church was state-supported, used to control the masses and justify war against the empire's enemies.  We also saw this new blending of government and religion lead to the Crusades and later, the  battle between Catholicism and the Reformation. It's been a long time since Christianity has been weaponized in such a  way, but there are other lasting ramifications.  Have you ever asked yourself why churches need to own property and erect large buildings? Many of them are only used for a few hours on Sunday and only sporadically throughout the rest of the week.  How many financial resources are required to maintain them, and how many congregations have been destroyed or seriously damaged through building campaigns?  Do good things also happen there?  Of course. But so many large churches provide the kind of anonymity that allows people to check a box each week- fulfilling an obligation without really having to interact with anyone or be accountable in any way for what's been preached. The early Church pooled their financial resources and used them to meet their own needs, the needs of the apostles and those who were suffering from famine or poverty. By meeting in homes, they necessarily kept their numbers small enough to develop true intimacy and hold one another accountable for what they claimed to believe. The other change that Constantine instituted and has now become a requirement in most churches is a division between clergy and non-clergy.  In most modern churches that I know of, the pastor, or leadership team is made up of full-time, professionally-trained people who have been ordained to minister in the church as a profession. Most have some sort of degree from a seminary or bible college and it's up to them to determine the church's mission, practices, order of worship and overall direction. Elders may play a role in some of these areas, but on a typical Sunday morning service, the only people you're likely to hear from are the preaching and worship pastors.  It's quite a different environment from the one described by Paul in 1 Corinthians.  In Chapter 12, he lays out all of the spiritual gifts and the importance of each one being used appropriately to complete the Body of Christ. In Chapter 14 he specifically mentions that, “when you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue or an interpretation.” In Colossians 3:16 he encourages the Colossians to allow the word of Christ to dwell in them richly, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.”  Clearly, the members of the early Church were active participants in their meetings, not just spectators as we often are today.  Here's what most church services I've attended look like:  the worship team gets things started with an upbeat song.  The worship leader, who is likely to be a professional musician, welcomes everyone and may sporadically offer some bible verses, or commentary on what we're about to sing or a prayer before concluding the praise and worship part of the service and handing it over to the pastor.  Depending on the church's size, resources and the preferences of its' leaders, praise and worship can involve an organ and hymns or feel more like a rock concert  with special lighting, professional sound technicians and even fog machines.  The pastor is likely to speak from 20 to 50 minutes and in some cases, may invite a personal response with an invitation to come forward for prayer, or to raise a hand indicating a response or possibly to just silently repeat a prayer he leads. Ushers may pass a collection plate while more subtle churches may suggest that offerings be placed in an offering box on the way out. The worship team may return for a final song or the pastor may simply pronounce a benediction ending the approximately 1 hour and 15 minute service. If you so choose, it's entirely possible to get through the whole service without uttering a word or interacting with anyone. Most modern church services encourage us to be consumers – seeking out the best music and technology and the most engaging preachers.  As a result, most church attenders go home entertained, but unchanged. Church attendance and involvement has been an extremely high priority in my life…always.  The only times I haven't been very involved in a church is when we've moved from one to another and those periods haven't lasted long. I've been a choir director, worship leader, creative team member, small group leader, women's bible study leader, drama ministry director, children's church teacher and church spokesperson.  I only mention all that to let you know how invested my life has been in the modern church.  But for the first time, I'm asking myself why we do what we do. And if it's all really what God wants us to do. Honestly, I don't know how to feel about it or what God would have me do about it.  There's no question that it has morphed into something very different from what He described for us in the New Testament. There is a whole home church movement led by those who seek to return to something as close as possible to the early church.  Some function more like what many of us know as a small group, but others are successfully functioning just like the churches described by the Apostle Paul.  Many of you may be fully engaged in a church where you're growing and deepening your walk with Jesus and other members of your church.  I hope so.  I've come to realize from personal experience that the Church of Jesus Christ will never be perfect on this earth because it's filled with imperfect people…people like me.  But if we seek to make it better and more closely aligned with His purposes, should we just accept things as they are, or instead, boldly question everything? Change is difficult and frightening and uncomfortable.  Just ask the Pharisees how they felt about Jesus' teaching. If you'd like to learn more about how the Church has changed over the past two millenia and what possible alternatives there might be, I can personally recommend two books:  the one already mentioned, “Pagan Christianity” by Frank Viola and George Barna, and also “So You Don't Want to go to Church Anymore,” by Dave Coleman and Wayne Jacobsen. Thanks for listening to Women World Leaders podcast!  Join us each week as we explore together God's extravagant love and your courageous purpose.  Visit our website at www.womenworldleaders.com to submit a prayer request, register for an upcoming event, and support the ministry.  From His heart to yours, we are Women World Leaders .  All content is copyrighted by Women World Leaders and cannot be used without written consent.  

The “He Gets Us” campaign ran a Super Bowl ad showing culture war combatants washing each other's feet. It has conservative Christians upset and non-Christians confused. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye react to the ad and unpack the many ways we misunderstand the meaning of Jesus washing his disciples' feet. Then, New Testament professor Nijay Gupta is back to discuss his new book “Strange Religion” about what made early Christianity so weird and compelling. He explains what Roman religion looked like before Christianity, and how those pagan values and practices are returning. Plus, Chinese spy pigeons and swearing parrots. Holy Post Plus  https://www.patreon.com/posts/skyepod-rapture-98104688/ 0:00 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit https://worldrelief.org/holypost/ to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community   1:11 - Intro   2:41 - Show Starts   3:29 - Theme Song   3:51 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to www.hiyahealth.com/HOLYPOST to receive 50% off your first order   5:02 - Skye and U2 in Las Vegas   10:27 - Foul-Mouthed Fowls   16:50 - Spies in Disguise as Pigeons   21:40 - Foot-Washing Superbowl Ad   47:08 - Sponsor - Better Help - Get 10% off your first month at www.betterhelp.com/holypost   48:09 - Sponsor - Wheaton Graduate School - Learn in a rich, rigorous Christian environment - www.wheaton.edu/holypost   49:16 - Interview   51:38 - Strange Religion   1:05:31 - What was Roman religion like?   1:13:40 - Modern Pagan Christianity   1:32:15 - End Credits Links:   Strange Religion: How the First Christians Were Weird, Dangerous, and Compelling: https://a.co/d/1BL9BXf   Holy Post website: https://www.holypost.com/   Holy Post Plus: www.holypost.com/plus   Holy Post Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/holypost   Holy Post Merch Store: https://www.holypost.com/shop   Holy Post Events: https://www.holypost.com/events   The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.

In this episode, join acclaimed author Frank Viola as he unveils the secrets he has learned on his remarkable journey towards unlocking productivity, overcoming challenges, and finding his personal formula for moving forward. With his time-tested wisdom, Frank has written over 30 best-selling books, manages two influential blogs, hosts two engaging podcasts, and hosts conferences. His mission is to call those searching for more into the deeper Christian life.Tune in as we dive into a range of captivating topics, including:• The current trends in Christianity and entrepreneurship.• Discover how Frank manages to produce an extraordinary amount of quality content while maintaining his productivity.• Uncover the difference between the studio life and the industrial life, and gain insight into Frank's early beginnings and the discovery of his mission.For creators struggling with self-doubt and discouragement, Frank offers invaluable advice and shares his own journey in overcoming these challenges. Witness the importance of understanding that your gift is not meant for everyone and embrace a new perspective on success. Learn how Frank defines success and why his definition may radically reshape your own viewpoint.Join us on this transformative episode as we explore the depths of productivity, resilience, and finding purpose in your calling.Frank is the author of Insurgence, Reclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom as well as Pagan Christianity, From Eternity to Here, 48 Laws of Spiritual Power, plus many more best selling books. He is the host the Christ is All and Insurgence podcasts.Connect with Frank https://frankviola.comJOIN THE FREE EMAIL CHALLENGEUnlock The Power Of Your Full Potential with THE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE CHALLENGE: This is a FREE 11-day email training that will equip you with the tools, mindset, and strategy to BE THE MAN God created YOU to BE. Learn to Access His Presence, Purpose, Power and Promotion.https://www.standard59.com/unfairadvantageOwn THE STANDARD Today, Get the breakout Bestseller THE STANDARD, Discovering Jesus as The Standard for Masculinity on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Standard-Discovering-Jesus-Masculinity/dp/1734549300/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 Listen to THE STANDARD on Audible: https://www.audible.com/pd/B095J62CW2/?source_code=AUDFPWS0223189MWT-BK-ACX0-259076&ref=acx_bty_BK_ACX0_259076_rh_usFollow Josh on Social Mediahttps://www.instagram.com/kingdomathlete/ https://www.tiktok.com/@kingdom_athletehttps://www.facebook.com/kingdomathlete https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7YKo7liiUJ1jW6eCLVkJlQ

In this episode of Unrefined Podcast, host Brandon Spain and co-host Lindsy Waters welcome guest Frank Viola, a conference speaker, blogger, and bestselling author who helps serious followers of Jesus know their Lord more deeply. The conversation focuses on the supernatural power and energy of God, and Frank explains the difference between the supernatural and the miraculous. Frank then shares his most supernatural experience with God, which involved a time when he was feeling overwhelmed and discouraged and God spoke to him and said, I will never leave you nor forsake you. The hosts engage with Frank asking questions about his career, his books, his blog, his life in walking with the Lord. Frank also shares how his latest book, 48 Laws of Spiritual Power, was a good rebuke to him.frankviola.org- blog48laws.com – 48 Laws of Spiritual Powerfrankviola.info/podcast/ - the Christ is All podcasttheInsurgence.net – the Insurgence podcastClick here to Become a member! Timestamps0:00:07Interview with Frank Viola: Exploring the Supernatural Power of God0:03:13Understanding the Difference Between the Supernatural and the Miraculous0:05:51Conversation on Miraculous Signs and Experiences0:10:36Miraculous Occurrences in the Body of Christ0:12:22Frank Viola: Exploring His Library of Books0:19:09Exploring the Radical Nature of Following Jesus Christ0:22:41Power of God and Bearing Fruit0:26:38Image of All-Encompassing Discipleship0:29:48Conversation on Living by the Indwelling Life of Christ0:32:08Importance of Spiritual Formation and the 48 Laws of Spiritual Power0:34:33Overcoming Discouragement in Ministry0:43:01Exploring the Misinterpretation of Pagan Christianity 0:48:45Defining Organic Church and the Glories of Christ0:51:05Industrial Church and Discipleship0:57:59Organic Church and Discipleship 1:02:11Insurgents Reclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Deeper Christian Life Network1:05:44Ministry Dream Team and Insurgent Experience Mastermind1:11:16Christ is All and Insurgents Podcasts

In this episode, we welcome Frank Viola to the show. He is a bestselling author, blogger, and speaker. His ministry is known as “The Deeper Journey.” Viola's mission is to help serious followers of Jesus know their Lord more deeply so they can experience real transformation and make a lasting impact. He also hosts the Christ is All and The Deeper Journey podcasts. His bestsellers include Hang On, Let Go, Insurgence: Reclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom, Jesus Manifesto, Pagan Christianity, and his latest book 48 Laws of Spiritual Power. In this interview, we discuss many of the laws from his new book, including Never Hurt God's People, Detest Celebritism, Refuse to Take Offense, Receive Correction, DIstinguish Between Critics, Resist Bitterness, Defy Conventional Wisdom, Stay in School, and much more. Let's get into it… Episode notes and links HERE Donate to support our mission of equipping men to push back darkness Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Topics: Constantine, Ceremonial Entrance, Special Clothing, Religious Garb, Gestures of Respect, Roman Imperialism, Clergy and Laity, Ecclesia, Kneeling, Sign of the Cross, Kiss on Hand, Roman Officials, Basilica, Sunday Sermon Link to "A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile": https://www.amazon.com/Church-Building-Every-Mile-Christianity/dp/097652225XLink to Pagan Christianity: https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christianity-Exploring-Church-Practices/dp/1414364555/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1665601499&sr=1-1Link to The UnSunday Show with Mike Adams: https://www.unsunday.com/Melchizedek ChroniclesInterviews with Pastors and people of faith on very interesting topics. Topics include:...Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify The Word 2 Wisdom Podcastwith host John StrazzaListen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showSign up for Matt's free daily devotional! https://mattmcmillen.com/newsletter

Topics: Bishop, Cathedra, Throne, Bishop's Chair, Elder Chairs, Elder Board, Sermon from Bishop Chair, 1 Timothy 3, Male Nor Female, Matthew 19-20, Serve to be Great, Gentiles Lord it Over ThemLink to "A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile": https://www.amazon.com/Church-Building-Every-Mile-Christianity/dp/097652225XLink to Pagan Christianity: https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christianity-Exploring-Church-Practices/dp/1414364555/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1665601499&sr=1-1Link to The UnSunday Show with Mike Adams: https://www.unsunday.com/Melchizedek ChroniclesInterviews with Pastors and people of faith on very interesting topics. Topics include:...Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the showSign up for Matt's free daily devotional! https://mattmcmillen.com/newsletter

Topics: Constantine, Paganism, Church History, Churches Built on Cemeteries, Pray to Saints, Pagan Temples, Fountain Washing, Roman Basilica, Christian Basilica, Constantine's Altars, Clergy, Eucharist, Communion, 1 Corinthians 11-14, Hebrews 9-10Link to "A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile": https://www.amazon.com/Church-Building-Every-Mile-Christianity/dp/097652225XLink to Pagan Christianity: https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christianity-Exploring-Church-Practices/dp/1414364555/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1665601499&sr=1-1Link to The UnSunday Show with Mike Adams: https://www.unsunday.com/Support the showSign up for Matt's free daily devotional! https://mattmcmillen.com/newsletter

Seeking righteousness; "Mischief"; Good "News"; "Garden" = protected place; Augustus Caesar - savior of Rome; "Pagan Christianity"; Christ's instituted Church; Sanhedrin; Doing like Jesus; Free bread; Ps 14:4; Ps 37:25; Ps 41:9; Workers of iniquity; Do you have faith?; Fervent charity; Imaginary Christians; Biting one another; Mt 6:11 - Daily bread; Ez 13:19; Phylacteries; Bread and circuses; Benefits ruining the Roman people; Deut 5:21; Working together with neighbors; Covetousness; Prov 23:1; "Corban"; Feel-good churches; Eucharist of Christ; Caring for widows and orphans; Church treasury; Sermons; Giving to Caesar; Repent and do the will of the father.

James and Kenny are back in the studio together. This week James brings the book "Pagan Christianity?: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices" by Frank Viola and George Barna to the discussion and Kenny may or may not have been triggered by some of the topics discussed in this book. Links from this episode Pagan Christianity Connect with the Bros Kenny on Twitter James on Twitter Goodreads.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/kenny-james65/message

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Christian practices are rooted in paganism which has rocked my world. I share about my breaking point after reading "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola and George Barna.

What did Jesus think of religion? What did He show us was worth fighting for? In this episode I discuss the chapter titled "Jesus the Revolutionary" out of the book Pagan Christianity, written by Frank Viola. Questions and comments always welcomed! Leave a voice mail at: https://anchor.fm/face-2-face0/message or email: face2facekmj@gmail.com

Should you leave the traditional model of church to make disciples in the harvest? The team answers this question from our community and weighs in on when you should burn the ships and go all in Harvest Highlights Newsletter Sign Up   Resources Mentioned: Episode 45: Burn the Ships! Episode 9: Church in the Harvest, Pt 1 Episode 10: Church in the Harvest, Pt 2 Pagan Christianity book   Help Us Multiply the Mission Please subscribe Leave a rating and review us on iTunes Share this podcast on Facebook Become a monthly supporter at https://intotheharvest.org/donate/ We are a nonprofit ministry and donations help us create and share our content. Thanks for partnering with us!   Connect With Us Have a question you want us to answer on the podcast? Email us at info@intotheharvest.org or... Visit us at https://www.speakpipe.com/intotheharvest and leave us a voice message When you’re recording, introduce yourself and your context in about 15 seconds, and then record your question for 30 seconds The post #78 – Burn the Ships! (Revisited) appeared first on Into the Harvest

In this blast from the past, J. Warner interviews Frank Viola and they talk about Frank’s book, "Reimagining Church". Frank has written this book as a follow-up to his controversial, "Pagan Christianity". He offers some concrete direction for those of us who would like our church experience to more closely resemble the first century Church.

In this special episode, Frank is interviewed on his book “Pagan Christianity” co-authored with George Barna. However, the interview was given before the book was published and when the working title was “From the Cross to the Cathedral.” The interview is many years old and this is the first time it's being released publicly. For more resources, check out the Gospel of the Kingdom website.  Show Notes Insurgence: Reclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom Pagan Christianity Reimagining Church From Eternity to Here Finding Organic Church Why You Can't Find an Organic Church How to Form a Kingdom Cell Where You Live

Frank Viola is a speaker, blogger, and bestselling author. You might be familiar with his books, Pagan Christianity, Insurgence, From Eternity to Here. His blog—frankviola.org—is regularly ranked in the top 5 of all Christian blogs on the Web and his podcast - Christ is All - has ranked #1 in Canada and #2 in the USA on iTunes.He is committed to helping serious followers of Jesus know their Lord more deeply so they can experience real transformation and make a lasting impact.Viola's writing is characterized by boldness and a passion for changing conventions. In our conversation, we talk about how he approaches his writing and how he knows when he has an idea worth writing about.

In this portion of scripture Paul expresses his emotions because the Galatians have invested themselves in the practices of a pagan-like, Judaistic Christianity. They have gone back to a pagan way of thinking and Paul doesn’t know what to do about it. Is there an answer?

Today we begin a three part series on the sacraments. This first episode is dedicated to understanding the framework of a sacramental worldview and interpretation of Scripture. Things mentioned today: Two of our previous episodes that give more context: Episode 03 | Nominalistic Ecclesiology and Episode 07 | Pagan Christianity. Handbook of Consolations by Johann Gerhard Everyday Glory by Gerald McDermott Please send your feedback and questions to thesacramentalists@gmail.com

On today's episode we discuss parallels between classical paganism and Christianity. Please send your feedback and questions to thesacramentalitsts@gmail.com or reach out to us on Twitter @sacramentalists.

Exploring the origins of the church steeple. Is it pagan? Does it matter? My encounter with the church steeple; Pastor Hollywood endorses the church steeple; Pasto Anderson claims steeples are pagan obelisks; Is Constantine the culprit? ; Obelisks on the ground with peculiar shapes; GodsElectPeople says steeples are pagan; Dallin Vetuski says the pagan roots are wrong; Classroom.synonum article; Pagan Christianity with Frank Viola; Links: Pastor Hollywood https://youtu.be/mHZb-BO6Mmo Pastor Anderson https://youtu.be/XdqHGtzJ4d8 http://bit.ly/ChurchSteepleOrigns http://bit.ly/PaganSteeples Pagan Christianity https://amzn.to/2MjrnCT https://conradrocks.net

Exploring the origins of the church steeple. Is it pagan? Does it matter? My encounter with the church steeple; Pastor Hollywood endorses the church steeple; Pasto Anderson claims steeples are pagan obelisks; Is Constantine the culprit? ; Obelisks on the ground with peculiar shapes; GodsElectPeople says steeples are pagan; Dallin Vetuski says the pagan roots are wrong; Classroom.synonum article; Pagan Christianity with Frank Viola; Links: Pastor Hollywood https://youtu.be/mHZb-BO6Mmo Pastor Anderson https://youtu.be/XdqHGtzJ4d8 http://bit.ly/ChurchSteepleOrigns http://bit.ly/PaganSteeples Pagan Christianity https://amzn.to/2MjrnCT https://conradrocks.net

On this episode of Too Many Books we review Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna. Join us as we discuss our likes and dislikes, whether we agreed with the statements that were made, and whether or not you should run out and buy this book, or keep it off your shelf. Intro and Outro Song "Coin-op" by Chad Crouch (freemusicarchive.org/music/Chad_Crouch/)

Dusty and Andrew respond to a listener email from Australia, Pagan Christianity, Unchurching, and Herpes

Former "grace preacher" Cornel Marais along with his wife Rensia share with Steve & Tammy their journey into Christian ministry...and back out again.  With both honesty and humour Cornel & Rensia share their ups and downs as they attempt to figure out God, church, and life... Show Index 9:40- Church 3 times a week??? 14:06- Faith Healing Days 26:34- In the Grace Camp 31:04- "Entering the Rabbit Hole" 37:15- Pagan Christianity? 40:47- Closing the ministry 

Merry Holiday Festival of Pagan Christianity! The Jupiter Boys are taking a break from their nativity duties to talk about two random topics, just like every other week. First, Jim wants to talk about how we shouldn't be so sacred about canon and suggests that the boys make some changes. Then Quinn wants to talk about what Santa even does 364 fucking days a year! Please give us a gift by giving us a rating or review on iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever the fuck you're listening to this. Special thanks to Christo Graham for the use of our theme music: http://christograham.bandcamp.com Don't forget to get in touch with us using the hashtag #cherrytimbit Email us at thejupiterboys@gmail.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/thejupiterboys 

We are finally done with Pagan Christianity! Well not the Pagan Christianity that we have today, but we are done with the book by Frank Viola. In this podcast we wrap up the book and talk about what's next.

We are finishing up the book "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola. This chapter deals with Baptism and Communion. Very common practices in the church, but are we doing it right?

The Call of Ministry should not be a path to the American Dream. Well, that's my opinion. In this Episode we take a look at the average pay for a pastor in Oklahoma compared to the church size.

We are finally here! The moment Andrew has been waiting for. It's time to talk about tithing. The whole reason we decided to read the book "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola. We discuss where historically the tithe started and how it applies today.

This episode we welcome Joe Moore from "The Real Life Podcast" to discuss Chapter 6 of Pagan Christianity. Does what we wear to church matter? Is Joe still single? We find out the answers to those questions and more!

Chapter 5 talks about the Pastor. Dusty talks about his experiences as a Youth Pastor, We read our FIRST review, and Andrew discusses why he doesn't agree with the chapter.

Dusty and Andrew discuss Chapter 4 of Pagan Christianity. We talk about Frank Violas view on where the sermon came from and also share some funny sermon stories of their own.

In this podcast, we talk about the order of service. Every week we pretty much go through the same order of events. Opening song, welcome, three more songs, tithes, sermon, and announcements. Usually in that order. Why is it like that?

Dusty and Andrew discuss chapter 2 of the book Pagan Christianity. Churches are in love with having a building, but why is that. In Acts they met in homes. Frank Viola explains where the trend started to having a building just for worship.   Podcast Sponsor is Insight Thermography.

This is the About Us Episode! Andrew and Dusty talk about their church backgrounds and christian experiences and how it may affect our point of view as we discuss the book Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola.   Podcast Sponsor this month is SEO Marketing Expert Nozak Consulting. Here are some current clients who are winning! Plumbing | Plumber | Plumbing Services | Sapulpa Plumbing |  HVAC Wrecker Towing Dumpster Rental Chaplain Services  

Andrew and Dusty discuss chapter 1 of Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola. We talk about chapter one of Pagan Christianity and how it is important to ask questions about why we do what we do.

Series: General Service: Sun AM Type: Sermon Speaker: Greg Chandler

The boys from "Bad Christian" talk to Frank and his co-author Mary DeMuth about spiritual warfare, the future of the church, the difference between a challenge and an attack, a behind-the-scenes look at Pagan Christianity and The Day I Met Jesus, and several other subjects

Lot's of people are talking about the stuff Frank writes about! I interview the author of Pagan Christianity about his new "Rethinking Series". http://frankviola.org/rethinkingseries

Lot's of people are talking about the stuff Frank writes about! I interview the author of Pagan Christianity about his new "Rethinking Series". http://frankviola.org/rethinkingseries

The guys record this episode from Australia and discuss their travels and also play a little of a BRAND NEW EMERY SONG! Frank Viola and Mary DeMuth coauthored a book called, "The Day I Met Jesus" in which they chronicle the encounters of five women with Jesus. Frank also wrote a book called "Pagan Christianity" that has been a signifigant influence on Matt and Toby.  Sponsors: X3WATCH - http://x3watch.com/badchristianPACIFIC GOLD - http://pacific-gold.comABANDON KANSAS/DEAD SPACE PODCAST - http://deadspacepodcast.comBREAK IT DOWN with MATT CARTER - http://breakitdownpod.com

In Ken's absence, Jerod and Dr. Bob Marshall discuss the traditions of the church and the controversial book, ''Pagan Christianity''

Keith McCallum speaks at the Financial Support Team retreat on the topic of Pagan Christianity, specifically emphasizing the bringing of non-Christians into the Body, and the very important role they fill.…

Diane Eble interviews Frank on "Pagan Christianity," asking questions and objections from readers. For more resources on the book, go to PaganChristianity.org.

The first chapter of “Pagan Christianity” by Frank Viola and George Barna. To order the book at a discount, go to PaganChristianity.org.

Darin Hufford, author of the bestselling book THE MISUNDERSTOOD GOD, interviews Frank Viola. Interesting conversation where Frank gives a unique "insider's peek" into the writing of some of his books. The "behind the scenes" of the book he wrote with George Barna, PAGAN CHRISTIANITY, is also discussed.

Jim Wallace Interviews Frank on Pagan Christianity

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Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:00:00 GMTPastor Charlie Whitlowhttp://www.thecommunitychurch.org/45461_mp300:00cwhitlow@thecommunitychurch.org (Charlie Whitlow)nohttp://ww

Kenny Russell (Gotta Life Radio) interviews Frank on the books "Reimagining Church" and "Pagan Christianity."

The second interview where George Barna and Frank Viola discuss their book Pagan Christianity. According to the host, this interview was "one of the most provocative hours you’ve ever heard in Christian talk radio."

Frank Viola is interviewed on the Drew Marshall Show regarding his blockboster book PAGAN CHRISTIANITY with George Barna (Pagan Christianity).

The first interview with Frank Viola and George Barna on their book Pagan Christianity. The second interview also appears on this podcast site.