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I unpack RW Johnson's assault on John Steenhuisen, Bidvest's backlash over the Paris Olympics, and introduce our new BizNews Daybreak show.

In this episode of the BizNews Daybreak show, BizNews and its global partners bring you up to date with all the news that you need to know this morning - ensuring you are positioned to seize the business day.

As Sasol gas dries up by 2028, GasHub CEO Jaco Human explains how private industry is racing to secure new supply, develop pipelines, and unlock West Coast gas to keep South Africa powered before the lights go out again.

Lack of service delivery has spawned a new multi-million illegal industry run by Waste Lords. In this interview, Keith Elliott, the Director of the Kya Sands Burning Wasteland Community Forum, tells Chris Steyn how the illegal waste management industry got off the ground and how the Waste Lords operate. He describes lengthy battles with authorities, as well the current legal battles to try and save communities from the devastating effects. As for the link to corruption, he reveals: “…we've been approached by parties in the past. And the approach has been, if you come up with 100,000 Rand, we're quite sure that this problem can go away. So that's an indication at least that at some level, there may be political involvement or people in politics who are involved in this.” Meanwhile, the long-suffering community has managed to raise sufficient money to launch a pilot project for private security to help the authorities with enforcement. “..it is a disgrace that citizens have to resort to the court to get the authorities to do their job, but it's also a disgrace that the citizens have to resort to private security to get the enforcement right,” Elliot says.

With Sasol's fields running low, the formation of "Gas Hub" and the PIC's new stance mark a major shift for energy. We also discuss the "Lamberti Law" - a principled refusal to grease the wheels of bureaucracy, even when it costs you time.

In the latest edition of the NdB Sunday Show, Chris Steyn speaks to Action Society's Juanita du Preez about policing in South Africa since 1994. She rates the ministers and commissioners from good to terrible over three decades tainted by corruption, boards of inquiry, political purges, faction battles, cover-ups and policing policies that changed with every factional fight. “We can just summarise it as 30 years of cumulative decay. Crime intelligence was gutted by corruption, SAPS was militarised instead of professionalised, stations across South Africa became hollowed out, DNA forensics collapsed repeatedly…Political interference became normal and then they lost the public trust.” Du Preez also comments on the testimony of tenderpreneur Cat Matlala - particularly his allegations of corruption involving former Minister Bheki Cele, as well as the kidnapping of Ad Hoc Committee member MP Vushi Shongwe who was robbed of all his devices. Du Preez relates her court experience of the judge who has been arrested for corruption. And she gives her take on the latest crime statistics that show that 63 South Africans are murdered every day.

Today we analyse the massive potential of the Venus field and South African gas resources, while debunking fears of a market bubble with real-world portfolio examples.

South Africa lags far behind the world's leading recycling nations, with plastic littering our rivers and oceans. In the heart of the Western Cape Winelands, however, Lizl Naudé is quietly changing the narrative. Her Paarl-based company, Lilly Loompa, collects discarded milk bottles, wine bottles and street plastic and transforms them into stylish platters, lap desks, trophies and gifts that people genuinely want in their homes.Naudé recently hopped on the Berlin metro to personally deliver one of her best-selling MyAfrica lap desks to a delighted customer in Germany. In an exclusive BizNews interview, she reveals how she rose from rock-bottom – after years of financial hardship and more than 44 house moves in 23 years of marriage to build a trailblazing upcycling business that has earned her a place among the winners of the prestigious Irish Tech Challenge.

Top banking analyst Kokkie Kooyman lifts the lid on Nedbank's R600m Gupta-linked settlement, FirstRand's painful UK mistake, and why global banks are cutting jobs as AI takes over. Kooyman also explains how a 3% inflation target could turn the rand into a “hard currency” and why South African bank shares may be the market's most overlooked opportunity.

Tonight's BizNews Briefing unpacks Nedbank's R600 million settlement with Transnet over a controversial state capture-era deal, with financial guru Kokkie Kooyman weighing in on lessons learned. Mining analyst Peter Major explains why platinum's 60% surge since May may be sustainable - a crucial boost for SA's largest foreign exchange earner. Plus, Barclays SA CEO Amol Prabhu shares why the G20 outcome signals rising investor confidence and renewed economic optimism for South Africa.

In a “devastating” night for the African National Congress (ANC), the party suffered by-election losses in the Eastern Cape, the Northern Cape, and in KwaZulu-Natal. In this edition of The Electoral Road Show, analyst Wayne Sussman speaks to Chris Steyn about the night's results: In Mandeni, Umkhonto we Sizwe (MKP) took the ward with over 60% of the vote with the ANC falling from 65% to 30%. In Douglas (Siyancuma), the ANC suffered a shock defeat with its vote share falling from 56% to 25% as an independent took 47% of the vote. In the Kou-Kamma municipality, the ANC lost another ward to the Patriotic Alliance (PA) when it grabbed 44% of the vote, up from 7%. On top of these losses, the ANC also fared poorly in President Cyril Ramaphosa's home ward, Ward 90 Johannesburg, where the Democratic Alliance (DA) vote share shot up from 70% to 97%, and the ANC's fell from 11% to 3%. The party was hit with another setback in Gauteng ANC heartland, where its vote share fell from 76% to 49% in Khutsong on the West Rand. It also suffered a big drop in Pellsrus, Jeffreys Bay, from 44% to 25%. And in another slide for the ANC, this time in Makana, formerly Grahamstown - where the ANC had been rock solid - it went down from 67% to 50%. Here, the DA were the big winners, surging from 1% of the vote to 26%. Sussman lays out the various coalition options now open to the ANC.

Today I unpack platinum's 60% surge, SA's new 3% inflation era, Trump's G20 snub, DA leadership turmoil and why we've shifted from Lesaka to HCI.

South Africa's top monetary voice, Dawie Roodt, says cutting inflation to 3% changes everything - interest rates, debt, the currency and even how businesses price their products. But there's a catch. Roodt warns that the Reserve Bank cannot do it alone, and that politicians, municipalities and state-owned entities will fight the shift because high inflation hides their mistakes and pays their debt. He argues that if South Africans refuse unjustified price hikes, “we protect our money instead of letting it lose value.”

Mining analyst Peter Major unpacks Anglo's outlook, the PGM surge, Zimbabwe's “juicy” gold payback, and how Transnet still holds the industry hostage.

The criminal economy in South Africa is under the spotlight in the latest Africa Organised Crime Index. Chris Steyn speaks to Willem Els of the Institute for Security Studies (ISS) about the factors that contributed to South Africa moving up to Number Two. “…unfortunately, and I think it came out in recent months in South Africa as well, your State-embedded actors are actually driving the agenda If it were not for them, it would not have been possible to have these types of criminality levels...what came to the forefront in recent months, is how these things were facilitated for these criminal actors in terms of capturing our judicial system and the policing.” As for the country' chances of navigating out of that hot spot, Els says: “It seems that should South Africa actually start to implement the right things and move in the right direction, it will take up to 25 years before we can actually be in the green when it comes to criminality. So it's a long road ahead of us. We have to battle it. There needs to be that political war.” Els also gives an updste on a top-level investigation into allegations that Duduzile Zuma has “trafficked” people to Russia to be used in the war against Ukraine, as well as other cases of human trafficking of South Africans.

Tonight's BizNews Briefing explores how South Africa's new 3% inflation target could strengthen the rand and curb capital flight. We unpack Nedbank's R600m state capture-era settlement with Transnet, Tiger Brands' 59% dividend increase, and Treasury's proposal for a 20% national online gambling tax amid a 31% surge in betting activity. Plus, a returning South African believes he's found a local challenger to tequila using red agave.

Today I unpack SA's R1.5trn online betting scourge, Treasury's proposed 20% tax, and what it all means for our economy — and your money.

In tonight's BizNews Briefing, we unpack why Prosus – which makes up over 10% of your equity-linked retirement savings – is turning from a value destroyer into a value creator. Results reveal critical developments in China via Tencent and in Europe through Just Eat Takeaway. Locally, Pepkor impresses despite tougher debtor losses, HCI makes a strategic oil and gas leap, and Zeda delivers strong growth.

36ONE's Steven Hurwitz says Prosus has finally shifted from promise to profit, with its e-commerce brands now earning real money beyond Tencent. Buybacks are shrinking the discount and a Just Eat turnaround could unlock major upside for South African investors. The only wildcard? China still holds the key to how big the payoff can be.

A big battle has begun to overcome the “coalition chaos and instability that has allowed Nelson Mandela Bay to be hijacked by criminal networks”. In this interview, Retief Odendaal, the Democratic Alliance's mayoral candidate, tells Chris Steyn that the City has the dubious record of having the most irregular expenditure of any municipality - R28 billion, while 10,000 street lights are not working, not a single engineer is left in the electricity department - and despite being one of only two metros in the country that actually still has some cash reserves, it can't deliver services. Since 2009, the City has had 48 municipal managers and 12 mayors. “If you take the municipal managers, it equates to about one every quarter. People ask me, but why does that happen? And I say, well, it's to facilitate looting because one loots from the State when there is absolute chaos.” Odendaal, urges citizens to give the DA the votes it needs for an outright majority as he outlines the measures needed to turn the Metro around. “…the good news for South Africans, not just in Nelson Mandela Bay, but in every other broken city and municipality in South Africa is that bad governments can be removed, corrupt people can be voted out of office.”

I unpack Prosus's pivotal interim results, the changes I'm making to our portfolios today, and why HCI has quietly become a compelling SA opportunity.

Global fund manager Sean Peche says Wall Street isn't defying gravity — it's already off the cliff. The AI boom, Nvidia hype, Trump trade, and Bitcoin “hope” have pushed markets into a cartoon-style moment where investors are still running… but there's nothing under their feet. Peche unpacks why value is shifting away from the US, why the world is quietly walking away from America, and where real opportunities are hiding outside the Magnificent 7.

Global money manager Sean Peche warns of US market fragility while unusually endorsing Pretoria's diplomatic approach toward Donald Trump. Locally, investors received welcome news as Naspers and Prosus posted robust half-year results, bolstering retirement portfolios. Anglo American gains ground after BHP's retreat, Netcare shows profit resilience despite high interest costs and a positive tailpiece for major SA corporates.

Prosus' dynamism stood out today, Anglo got long-awaited clarity, and I'm eyeing a rare buying opportunity in our Ricardo portfolio.

In the latest edition of the NDB Sunday Show, Chris Steyn is joined by Security Strategist and retired Interpol Ambassador Andy Mashaile. He reveals how General Nhlanhla “Hurricane” Mkhwanazi had warned politicians in a speech at a Parliamentary dinner in 2011 already that he was coming for the corrupt. “And when I look back at what he meant on that day in Parliament, the Minister of Police was Nathi Mthethwa. I am sure also when they look back, they realise that he really meant what he was saying. Him having taken on the Minister didn't start on the 6th of July…He did warn politicians that when you do wrong things, I will come after you because I am a police officer.” Mashaile can still recall the shocked silence that followed. “Now referring to the politicians, the clinking sound (of knives and forks on plates) died instantly.” Mashaile does an in-depth performance appraisal on General Mkhwanazi, and lists all the objectives that the General has achieved since his Press Conference. Mashaile outlines the reasons why he would like to see General Mkhwanazi as National Police Commissioner. “I will tell the President… This is the man that the country needs. This is the man who has what it takes.” He predicts that should the general be appointed to the top job, there would be an exodus of corrupt cops. “…people are going to sweat or people are going to take earlier retirement packages”. Mashaile also comments on the conduct of the various role players in the police and political capture saga, including that of forensic investigator Paul O'Sullivan.

I unpack next week's pivotal by-elections, Chris Steyn's must-watch interviews, and why political missteps are piling up as SA heads into a crucial year.

After living overseas for 25 years, Sebastian O'Keefe returned home with the dream of creating a world‑class agave spirit, using plants introduced in colonial times that are now used as cattle feed. O'Keefe told Biznews in an interview that he and his partner criss‑crossed the country testing plants and discovered rare ‘Red Agave' thriving in a dry, salty, high‑altitude place in the Klein Karoo near Ladismith. Harvested by hand, gently steamed in dairy tanks and fermented with wild yeast, the first batch of Inzalo Agave Spirits will roll off the line in the next two weeks. Deliberately not called tequila or mezcal (those names are protected), Inzalo is being positioned as the founding member of an entirely new, proudly South African category of agave spirit. He said as they started working with the spirit their ambitions grew to not only create the greatest agave spirit outside of Mexico but to create a new class of agave spirits, something that is completely unique to South Africa. And it will include two varieties, Batch One, a white spirit, and Barrel One, an aged version to be sipped slowly to cater for local tastes.

Global powers are scrambling for critical minerals, and their first stop is South Africa. Mining expert Peter Major tells Alec Hogg why SA could become the world's one-stop minerals shop - if government learns to play its cards right, cut the red tape, and “sell to anyone at the best price possible.”

Tonight's BizNews Briefing spotlights South Africa's rising strategic importance, with the EU naming the country its first stop in a new critical minerals supply push. Locally, Investec's latest results show SA delivering stronger returns than the UK, while an urgent court showdown looms as the JSE challenges allegedly fake emails. Also in focus: a 70% municipal failure rate in Eskom's debt relief scheme, and Nvidia's record-smashing results as the tech giant reaches a valuation 12 times SA's GDP.

With a critical round of by-elections coming up next week, the African National Congress (ANC) has announced that all candidates for 2026 Local Government Elections will have to undergo criminal record and qualifications vetting, submit interest declarations, and consent to lifestyle audits. This is lauded by Elections Analyst Wayne Sussman on the latest edition of the Electoral Roadshow with Chris Steyn. Sussens gives in-depth previews of the most important upcoming by-elections, including the straight two-horse race between the Democratice Alliance (DA) and the ANC in City of Joburg Ward 90 where President Cyril Ramaphosa lives; the turbulence amid which MKP has to contest Mandeni where Umkhonto we Sizwe won over 70% of the vote in 2024 in the historic ANC stronghold; Kouga where the DA ward councillor walked over to the Patriotic Alliance; and Hantam where the local councillor was assassinated. As for the possible date of next year's Local Government elections, Sussman reveals that he is hearing from reliable sources that it will either be held on 4th or the 11th of November.

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The African National Congress' (ANC's) idea of transformation is transforming tax money into Maseratis for cadres. “It's not transforming anything else”. So says Connie Mulder, the Head of Solidarity's Research Institute, in this interview with Chris Steyn. “When you're talking about treasonous behaviour and unpatriotic behavior, I would much rather argue using the State coffers as your own personal piggy bank for more than a decade, as the ANC has done, is much more treasonous than trying desperately to salvage the relationship with our second biggest trade partner, which Solidarity has tried to do.” Mulder points out that even China has started applying pressure on the ANC's BEE policy “saying, you're deterring investment, you're making it difficult for us to come in and invest”. He outlines how Solidarity is using the upcoming G20 summit in South Africa to intensify lobbying. Giving an update on the saga of the removal of its banner that proclaims “Welcome to the most race regulated country in the world”, he confirms the City of Joburg has returned it at no cost. “And we put up 38 more billboards.” He also gives feedback on the ANC's response to the documentary “Race to the Bottom”.

Southern Sun's October occupancy jumps to 73.3% – the highest since the 2010 World Cup – signalling a major recovery for South African tourism, with the group committing R500m to a 50-year Durban hotel lease. Pick n Pay stabilises as the Ackerman family backs the turnaround, while rising power tariffs force retrenchments at Merafe. Plus, local is lekker proves true in a four-year investment contest, and in a surprise move, Berkshire Hathaway buys $5bn of Alphabet shares.

Alec Hogg hosts investing heavyweights Piet Viljoen and Magnus Heystek in a high-stakes Director's Cut on their R1-million challenge — offshore vs South Africa. With one year to go, Viljoen's SA-only portfolio still leads, while Heystek fights back after currency swings and market shocks. They clash on the rand, politics, Bitcoin, and whether SA is “uninvestable,” in the showdown that could decide where South Africans should really put their money.

“An armed struggle is not something that we would embark on - ever.” That was the assurance given by AfriForum's Kallie Kriel when Chris Steyn asked him to comment on a screenshot of a post making the rounds on Social Media with claims from an unnamed intelligence officer that AfriForum and some other civic rights organisations were procuring high-calibre arms from abroad to overthrow the State and take back power. He also tells Steyn why he defines himself as a patriot - and not as a traitor. Kriel shares details of his request for support to the G20 countries, and the solutions he presented to them. He further divulges details of affidavits submitted to the Khampepe Commission to show that there was not only political interference to ensure that members of the Apartheid Security Forces weren't prosecuted after the TRC, but that there was also political interference to stop African National Congress (ANC) members from being prosecuted. Commenting on the Madlanga Commission enquiry into police and political capture, Kriel says: “…we cannot fix the police. But what we can do is, within the framework of the law, we can organise our communities within neighbourhood watches to try and play that role. And in every sphere where government fails, we try and build a civil society solution.”

Welcome to BizNews Radio where we interview top thought leaders and business people from South Africa and across the globe.

Welcome to BizNews Radio where we interview top thought leaders and business people from South Africa and across the globe.

A2X CEO Kevin Brady joins Alec Hogg for a director's cut deep dive into the explosive Competition Commission ruling that threatens the JSE's century-old dominance. Brady reveals how his team spent three years proving that the JSE was blocking competition by weaponising its outdated BDA system, and explains why regulators now believe there's a strong case of exclusionary conduct. He breaks down what this means for investors, how much South Africans have lost through monopolistic pricing, and why true competition could save the country over a billion rand a year. Brady also unpacks the future of 24-hour trading, new regulatory reforms, and whether the JSE's new leadership will fight or finally open the market.

In this Director's Cut, Dr Theo de Jager, chair of the Southern African Agri Initiative (SAAI), tells Alec Hogg how the outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease has laid bare the collapse of South Africa's agricultural command systems. Once tightly managed through roadblocks, military coordination, and traceability controls, the state has now “lost all command and control,” says de Jager. He explains how the disease spread from the Kruger Park to the Western Cape, devastating farmers, crippling exports, and driving up meat prices — all while the government imports outdated vaccines from Botswana and fails to produce its own. De Jager's warning is blunt: “If the state doesn't act, the disease will. And when that happens, it's not just farmers who pay — it's every South African at the supermarket till.”

The Johannesburg Stock Exchange faces a potential R300 million fine after A2X accused it of monopolistic practices. CEO Kevin Brady claims South African retirees lost R14 billion over the last decade due to inflated fees. We explore the battle, the stakes for employees, and what a fairer market could mean for everyday investors.

Millions of South Africans fear that they will be disarmed and left defenseless in crime-ridden South Africa by possible new legislation. But in his latest interview with Chris Steyn, a defiant Ian Cameron, the Democratic Alliance's Spokesperson on Police and Chairperson of Parliament's Portfolio Committee on Police, issues this challenge: “I want to see them disarm lawfully armed and law abiding citizens in this country because they are going to fail dismally. That is a fight they should not pick. It's a fight that I would advise them not to even try. We are going to protect our communities. We're going to protect ourselves and our families. And there's no way that we're going to allow them to arbitrarily take that away.” Cameron believes the disarmament agenda is a "way of gaining more control” as “the more control you lose as a government, especially one with the ideological, let's call them challenges, that the ANC has brought upon us over the years, the more you try and centralise certain things.” That level of “draconian control” could mean “only an elite few…are able to be supposedly kept safe - and that they would use State coffers to do so through… abusing police and whoever else the armed forces have at their disposal.” Cameron outlines the DA's fight-back strategy.

South Africa is grappling with its worst foot-and-mouth outbreak in decades, threatening farmers' livelihoods, pushing up food risks, and triggering export bans from countries like China and Zimbabwe. In today's BizNews Briefing, Alec Hogg speaks with agricultural leader Dr Theo de Jager about how state failure, slow intervention, and a collapsed early-warning system allowed the virus to spread - and what must happen next to contain an escalating national crisis.

Welcome to BizNews Radio where we interview top thought leaders and business people from South Africa and across the globe.

Welcome to BizNews Radio where we interview top thought leaders and business people from South Africa and across the globe.

In this edition of the NdB Sunday Show, Safe Citizen Founder Jonathan Deal talks to Chris Steyn about police- and political capture by cartels, corruption, cadre deployment - martyred whistleblowers. He warns that the country's is on a knife's edge - and that public revolt over the rot is “a distinct possibility if it is not brought under control and if steps are not taken at high level in public by the Government of National Unity to get control of these issues and actually start holding the people that are complicit in all of this to account…We saw how quickly an Arab Spring arose up on the back of social media and how quickly the public, once they have decided to go ahead with it, dealt with the leaders that had for decades and years disadvantaged them and treated them badly.” Deal adds that South Africa has crossed a “grim threshold” to become a country “where corruption is no longer a crime that happens inside the State, but it appears to have become the very business model of the State itself”. He says he has watched “step-by step the devolution of this country at an increasingly rapid pace and literally seen how law and order are being auctioned off and how the safety of entire communities is becoming collateral damage for a self-sustaining feeding frenzy.” Deals goes on to reveal plans for the launch of a national campaign next week to stop proposed legislative moves that could result in the disarmament of millions of legal firearm owners.

South African-born Wall Street veteran Anthony Ginsberg, founder of GinsGlobal, unpacks what Trump's new trade team really thinks of South Africa, BRICS, and AGOA. From behind-closed-doors insights at the YPO Summit in Los Angeles, Ginsberg tells Alec Hogg why SA's missing ambassador, misunderstood BEE policies, and Washington's anti-China pivot could make or break our next US trade deal. A front-row view of Trump-era commercial diplomacy—where business, politics, and power collide.

Rangers are fighting an uphill battle against rhino poaching in South Africa's Kruger National Park. In the weeks leading up to Christmas, poaching is expected to spike, as it did in 2024. Despite dehorning programmes and stronger arrests, convictions, and prosecutions, 35 rhinos were lost in the first weeks of 2025 alone. The pursuit by transnational syndicates remains relentless. To strengthen its response, SANParks has partnered with the Tracker Academy to retrain field rangers in advanced man‑tracking and bushcraft skills. Manager Alex van den Heever told BizNews the initiative is groundbreaking. The focus, he explained, is not on chasing poachers but on tracking the rhinos themselves and proactively protecting them before syndicates strike. It's an approach that has been used before, but the Tracker Academy aims to embed it permanently in Kruger, a park whose rhino population has been decimated by poaching from 12,000 a decade ago to just 2,000 today.

In this Director's Cut, Alec Hogg sits down with EasyEquities CEO Charles Savage to unpack how South Africa is turning a corner — and how his fintech powerhouse is leading the charge. Savage explains why he's “overwhelmed with optimism” about the economy, reveals EasyEquities' breakthrough to one million active investors, and shares how AI is transforming the way South Africans invest. From global expansion into Kenya and the Philippines to bold plans for a South African stablecoin, Savage lays out a vision for building wealth, innovation, and confidence in a country rediscovering its momentum.

From hopes of turning South Africa into “Africa's Switzerland” to fears over China's mega mine in Guinea, mining veteran Peter Major joins Alec Hogg for a fiery Miningweb Weekly. They unpack how the Reserve Bank's bold 3% inflation target could reshape mining, why Eskom and Transnet remain the industry's biggest shackles, and how China's iron ore play may threaten Kumba and South Africa's competitiveness. Major doesn't hold back — calling out bad policy, corruption, and missed opportunities holding the sector hostage.

In today's BizNews Briefing, Alec Hogg speaks with Charles Savage, founder and CEO of Purple Group - the force behind EasyEquities. From humble beginnings with just R2 million in seed capital 11 years ago, the platform has grown into a R4.5 billion success story. Savage shares the X factor behind EasyEquities' meteoric rise, his vision for the future, and how artificial intelligence is shaping the company's next chapter.

More jaw-dropping details are emerging of the links between underworld boss “Cat” Matlala and law enforcement officers. In her latest interview with BizNews, Juanita Du Preez of Action Society tells Chris Steyn that she felt sure he looked so grim in court the past week because “he thought he knows who the person is that wants to be the next ANC President and then the country's President. And that's why he played his cards in that way. And now that hope has crashed. So he doesn't have that protection.” Du Preez also comments on the police revelations today that a close associate of suspended Deputy Police Commissioner Shadrack Sibiya has 29 cases against him - and that a SAPS employee had accessed the Criminal Records system to make adjustments to his records. “I am so happy that the connection he had…who fiddled with his record, wasn't smart enough to change it on the back end as well, because that is where the information is now coming from. It's still on there. So you can delete it in the front, but it stays in the back. Now we can pinpoint, this person was the one pressing the button.” As for the excuses NPA Chief Shamila Batohi came up with before the Ad Hoc Committee for not yet bringing the Guptas to justice, Du Preez charges: “These are the people who stole South Africa to the brink of poverty and created a culture for other people to follow in their footsteps. And it's not urgent for you.”