Fire Investigation INFOCUS podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens deliver another compelling installment from the International Association of Arson Investigators (IAAI) training conference. Recording remotely while Scott teaches at the Fire Investigator Academy in Fresno, the duo presents an illuminating conversation with Rick and Cassandra Jones, two passionate advocates for fire investigation certification and training excellence.Rick Jones shares his journey from law enforcement canine handler to IAAI board member and eventual president during the challenging COVID-19 period, where he helped pivot the organization to remote training delivery. His wife Cassandra, with her educational background in English, brings her expertise in report writing and program development to their shared mission of elevating industry standards. Together, they've built a successful fire investigation company while dedicating countless volunteer hours to improving certification programs and training quality across the field.The conversation centers on the critical importance of obtaining professional certifications, particularly the Evidence Collection Technician (ECT) program. The Joneses announce significant updates to certification requirements, including the elimination of mandatory evidence collection numbers in favor of training-based qualifications and the addition of five new evidence categories specifically designed for private-side investigators. These changes address long-standing concerns from investigators who participate in evidence collection but may not physically handle items themselves, making certifications more accessible while maintaining rigorous standards.Rick and Cassandra emphasize that certifications serve as third-party validation of an investigator's competency, going beyond the minimum requirements of NFPA 1033 to include practical demonstrations and courtroom testimony experience. They detail the upcoming alignment of all IAAI certifications to five-year renewal cycles, streamlining the process for investigators while ensuring continued professional development. The couple's commitment extends to personally answering questions from members, with Rick providing his direct phone number and encouraging investigators at all levels to reach out for guidance.The episode also highlights the Joneses' innovative internship program, where university students pursuing fire investigation degrees spend 5-7 weeks living and working with their company, gaining invaluable real-world experience. These stories, including humorous accounts of interns learning the realities of hands-and-knees scene processing, demonstrate their dedication to nurturing the next generation of fire investigators.Scott and Chasity wrap up with their popular segments, including "We Train Frequently" spotlighting upcoming conferences in Arizona and Georgia, and "Can You Use It In A Sentence" continuing their educational series on fire investigation terminology. The hosts also address listener questions about accessing Science Advisory Work Group meetings, explaining the confidential nature of these peer review sessions while encouraging participation in local chapters.This episode reinforces the podcast's mission of connecting the fire investigation community through shared knowledge and professional development opportunities, showcasing how industry leaders like Rick and Cassandra Jones are working tirelessly to advance the field through improved training and certificaThank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, Scott and Chasity reunite in-studio after several remote recordings to discuss their recent activities and introduce a special panel discussion about the Scientific Advisory Work Group (SAW). Scott shares his excitement about getting accepted into OSU for a master's program, while the hosts debate the value of continuing education in fire investigation. They emphasize the importance of bachelor's degrees for investigators before diving into the main interview segment.The featured interview, recorded in Michigan, includes guest co-host Lauren Guber (a California Deputy Attorney General) along with Dr. Elizabeth Buck and Brian Fine (retired from the Texas State Fire Marshal's Office). They discuss SAW, a program that originated in Texas to improve fire investigation through peer review. The panel explains how investigators present cases to a diverse group of experts who then evaluate whether the investigation meets scientific standards. This constructive criticism helps investigators strengthen their reports and testimony, ultimately leading to more credible courtroom presentations. Brian shares how investigators initially dreaded these reviews but eventually began voluntarily submitting cases to showcase their improved work.The group discusses the challenges fire investigators face in court, particularly in Daubert states where scientific testimony is more strictly evaluated. Lauren explains how prosecutors must prove both that fire investigation expertise is needed and that the specific investigator is qualified to provide it. The panel emphasizes that maintaining credibility is crucial, as a poor performance in one case can follow investigators throughout their careers.Dr. Buck discusses efforts to expand the SAW program beyond Texas, having recently introduced it to Michigan with hopes of bringing it to California next. The episode concludes with the "Can You Use It in a Sentence?" segment featuring "hot gas layer" as the next term in their educational series, following previous explanations of "plume" and "ceiling jet." Scott and Chasity also address fan mail, including a question about Scott's recent court case and feedback about standardizing fire damage classification terminology.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens catch up before diving into an interview with Kayla Theriot who is in Business Development for iGuide, a 3D camera solution company. Scott, teaching in San Diego while Chasity holds down the fort in Orange County, discusses how they're experimenting with remote recording to maintain their signature dynamic intro style. The hosts tease their excitement about iGuide's technology and its applications in fire investigation before jumping into the interview.Kayla shares her journey from restoration to fire investigation, bringing a unique perspective having worked in multiple facets of the industry. As iGuide's first US hire, she explains how their 360-degree camera technology creates immersive virtual tours with precise measurements, floor plans, and customizable tags to document evidence. The standout features include the ability to download and own your data without subscription fees, lightning-fast 15-minute AI-drafted floor plans for properties under 4,000 square feet, and professionally drafted plans within 24 hours for larger properties.The conversation sparks numerous ideas for applying iGuide in fire investigation, including creating training materials, documenting wildland fires, developing heat vector analysis tools, and enabling students to practice evidence identification through virtual scene examinations. The hosts and Kayla brainstorm innovative applications while highlighting the cost efficiency of the system—only $2,500 for the camera with no mandatory subscription fees and pay-per-project processing starting at just $5 for smaller projects.The episode wraps with their "Can You Use It in a Sentence" segment introducing the term "plume" with a promise to cover "ceiling jet" in the next episode, continuing their educational series on fire terminology. Though not currently sponsored by iGuide, the hosts hint at potential future partnership while emphasizing they only endorse products they genuinely believe in.Website for iGuide: goiguide.comThank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this live episode, Scott opens the show solo from San Diego where he's instructing a 40-hour basic origin and cause class, while Chasity is held up at home with the flu. Scott extends a heartfelt thank you to conference attendees who shared feedback and listening habits, with many enjoying the podcast during workouts, commutes, or before calls. He encourages listeners to get involved with their local IAAI chapters to accelerate their learning curves through networking with experienced investigators.The featured interview showcases two IAAI leaders: Immediate Past President Trace Lawless and current President Dave Bridges. Their discussion highlights the organization's impressive progress on strategic planning goals, with a focus on operational excellence and international expansion. Trace shares his 43-year journey in fire investigation, from public service to leading a major carrier's investigation team before retirement. Dave reveals his unusual path from firefighter and accelerant detection canine handler to attorney, driven by a desire to bridge the gap between technical investigation and legal expertise.Both leaders emphasize IAAI's commitment to serving investigators worldwide through initiatives like Spanish-language captioning, online testing platforms, and an upcoming mobile app that will facilitate networking among members. They encourage new investigators to get involved through the IAAI website (firearson.com) and local chapters. The episode concludes with a sponsorship message from Clean Space, ITL, and Tim Costa, followed by the "Can You Use It in a Sentence?" segment introducing the term "plume" for discussion in the next episode.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens record live from the International Association of Arson Investigators (IAAI) International Training Conference in Atlantic City, New Jersey. With nearly 900 attendees at the conference, the hosts discuss the value of networking and the exciting atmosphere of the event, intentionally keeping background noise to give listeners the authentic conference experience. Scott and Chasity begin by emphasizing the importance of connection in the fire investigation community, encouraging listeners to attend these conferences, bring business cards, and engage with experienced professionals. The hosts share their excitement about upcoming interview segments with industry leaders including Doug Byron and Elaine Pope, which will be released in future episodes. The main segment features an interview with Sawyer Garriques, chair of the IAAI Student Committee, who discusses the vital role of the committee in connecting students with industry professionals. Sawyer, a fire investigator for an insurance carrier who graduated from Eastern Kentucky University, explains how the student committee works to bridge the gap between education and professional practice. He shares information about student memberships ($50 annually compared to the regular $100 fee), the resources available through IAAI, and upcoming virtual events including a career fair planned for September. Sawyer emphasizes that anyone interested in fire investigation can reach out to students@firearson.com, even if they're not technically students. The episode also includes a brief segment with Tim Costa from Clean Space, who discusses their respiratory protection products designed specifically for fire investigators. The hosts close with their regular segment, "Can You Use It in a Sentence," where they explain fire science terminology, including laminar versus turbulent flames and premixed versus diffusion combustion. Scott introduces "networking" as the word of the week, highlighting its importance at conferences like the IAAI. Throughout the episode, Scott and Chasity emphasize their commitment to connecting new investigators with resources and mentors in the field, making this live conference episode a perfect example of their mission to share knowledge and ignite curiosity in fire investigation.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens dive into several hot topics in fire investigation. They begin with a lighthearted generational gap test comparing lyrics to "Blame It On..." across different age groups, before transitioning to important professional content. The hosts discuss upcoming classes at the International Training Conference (ITC) in New Jersey, highlighting courses on AI in fire investigations, lithium-ion batteries, and forensic evidence processing.The conversation takes a serious turn as they discuss safety protocols for investigators exposed to lithium-ion battery fires, revealing a new departmental procedure for blood testing after exposure to these hazardous materials. They share valuable insights on evidence collection, including a practical tip about an IAAI Evidence Collection Guide app that investigators can download to their phones for quick reference in the field. The episode wraps up with their "Unbiased Opinion" segment analyzing liability in a case involving a wall heater fire and teases their next topic on laminar versus diffusion flames. They also celebrate reaching 100 five-star reviews on Apple Podcasts ahead of schedule.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this milestone 25th episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens kick off their celebration with special AI celebrity "appearances" from Donald Trump, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kim Kardashian, and Joe Rogan to commemorate reaching this landmark. The podcast has surged in popularity, amassing over 13,000 downloads—a remarkable 30% increase in just 45 days—and approaching 100 five-star ratings on Apple Podcasts.Scott recaps highlights from the CCAI conference, highlighting Keith Parker's innovative wildland fire demonstration that challenged investigators to determine fire origin points in a controlled environment. Chasity shares her excitement about her upcoming first deposition scheduled for July, while Scott anticipates the Scientific Advisory Work Group (SAW) meeting in Michigan, where investigators present cases for peer review and critical analysis.The hosts introduce a compelling new segment called "Unbiased Opinion," where they present fire investigation cases without revealing which side they represented. In the inaugural segment, Chasity details a residential fire where the bathroom was determined to be the room of origin, with an improperly labeled wall heater switch accidentally activated by a child who mistook it for a light switch. Listeners are invited to weigh in on where liability should fall—with the homeowner who made the modifications, the contractor who installed them, or the tenant.Scott shares essential vehicle fire investigation knowledge directly from NFPA 921, including the critical fact that exhaust manifolds can remain hot enough to ignite materials for 30 minutes after a vehicle is turned off, while catalytic converters can stay dangerously hot for up to 90 minutes. He stresses the importance of checking vehicle recalls during investigations, warning that failing to do so could undermine an investigator's credibility.The episode wraps up with their "Can You Use It in a Sentence?" segment, defining "heuristic" as a problem-solving shortcut, and "We Train Frequently" (WTF) highlighting upcoming fire investigation training opportunities across the country. The hosts look forward to meeting listeners at their booth during the IAAI conference in New Jersey this April.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens bring on a special guest - Dr. Gregory Gorbett, IAAI-CFI, CFEI, CFPS, CFII, CVFI, Senior Fire Analyst/Co-Owner of Fire Dynamics Analysis, and one of Chasity's former professors from Eastern Kentucky University's renowned fire program. Recording from the California Conference of Arson Investigators February Seminar, the trio dives deep into the world of fire investigation with plenty of expert insights and good-natured banter.Dr. Gorbett shares his fascinating journey into fire investigation, starting with his family's firefighting background and how a gutsy decision to volunteer for a 45-million-dollar loss investigation in Dallas led him to connections with industry legends like Pat Kennedy. The conversation explores the evolution of fire investigation education, with Dr. Gorbett explaining how EKU's program has grown since the 1970s to become one of the nation's premier fire investigation educational institutions.The episode tackles several cutting-edge topics in fire investigation, including the challenges of standardizing damage assessment. Dr. Gorbett discusses his research on using numerical scales to describe fire damage consistently, which was published in the Journal of Forensic Science. The hosts also explore how ventilation affects fire patterns, with Scott suggesting the need for simple acronyms to help new investigators remember critical assessment steps at scenes.One particularly engaging segment covers the importance of proper terminology in fire investigation reports, with Dr. Gorbett explaining why he discourages terms like "heavy fire damage" and use of personal pronouns in technical writing. The group shares how these teaching moments have stuck with them throughout their careers, often hearing Dr. Gorbett's voice in their heads when writing reports.The episode wraps up with a discussion on the balance between education and experience, with Dr. Gorbett emphasizing that while formal education provides a foundation, on-the-job training and good mentorship remain crucial for developing skilled investigators. The hosts introduce their recurring segment "Can You Use It In A Sentence," challenging listeners to learn the definition of "heuristic" for the next episode.Packed with professional insights, personal anecdotes, and plenty of fire investigation nerding-out, this episode offers valuable knowledge for both seasoned investigators and those new to the field.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this lively episode of the podcast, Scott and Chasity kick things off by showing their new merch from American Fire Brigade, known for their popular fire service merchandise and memorable memes that helped firefighters cope during COVID-19. (@americanfirebrigade). The duo shares personal stories about fire service culture, including a fascinating discussion about "coffee table culture" - the unique morning ritual where firefighters gather to exchange information and engage in witty banter.The conversation takes a serious turn as they discuss recent cases, including Scott's first trial in 26 years of investigations and a challenging fatality fire they both worked on. They explore the complex dynamics of public and private fire investigators working together, emphasizing the importance of maintaining professional relationships and preserving scene integrity. A particularly poignant discussion emerges about how people react differently in emergency situations, illustrated by stories of a resident who ran upstairs instead of outside during a fire, and a veteran medic who panicked when his own son had a seizure.The episode wraps up with an extensive "We Train Frequently" segment, highlighting numerous upcoming training opportunities across the country. Most notably, they announce their exciting plans to conduct live podcast recordings at the upcoming IAAI ITC conference in Atlantic City, where they hope to interview international investigators, students, instructors, and capture the presidential transition. They also share some heartwarming feedback from listeners, including a special shoutout from a fan in Norway, and remind listeners to help them reach their goal of 100 Apple Podcast ratings before June.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens dive into a fascinating mix of technical insights and emerging trends in fire investigation. The episode kicks off with a compelling discussion about the importance of asking the right questions during investigations, as Chasity shares a recent case involving a concealed space fire where strategic questioning revealed crucial information about recent plumbing work. The hosts also explore the often misunderstood relationship between fire investigators and public adjusters, offering valuable perspectives on professional collaboration in the field.The conversation takes an interesting turn as Scott shares a piece of fire service history, recounting the story behind the iconic Mickey Mouse and firefighter image created during the 1993 Malibu fires. This rare Disney artwork, featuring Anaheim firefighter Dave Baker, holds special significance as one of the few instances where Mickey Mouse is depicted looking up at and touching another character.In their new segment "Indistinct Chatter," Scott and Chasity introduce their AI guest, Dr. Torch, exploring the intersection of artificial intelligence and fire investigation. The hosts engage in a thoughtful discussion about AI's capabilities and limitations in understanding fire dynamics and pattern analysis, highlighting the importance of human expertise in the field.The episode concludes with a comprehensive roundup of upcoming fire investigation training opportunities across the United States, including events in Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, and Illinois. Special mention is made of international training developments, including exciting progress from their colleague at the Cranfield Forensic Institute in the UK. The hosts also preview the upcoming CCAI training event featuring live burns and wildland fire demonstrations.From technical discussions about fire patterns and evidence marking to engaging experiments with telepathy, this episode showcases the hosts' ability to blend educational content with entertaining dialogue, making complex fire investigation concepts accessible to all listeners.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textINFOCUS Podcast kicks off Season 2 with an explosive episode covering the devastating Santa Ana wind-driven fires affecting Southern California. Hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens dive deep into the current situation, with Scott sharing his recent appearance on NPR discussing the fires, while Chasity's TikTok video addressing fire speculation goes viral with over 170,000 views. The episode provides fascinating insights into wildland fire behavior, addressing common misconceptions about fire patterns and debunking conspiracy theories about mysterious "government lasers."The hosts tackle complex fire investigation topics, explaining how wind patterns and building materials affect fire spread, particularly focusing on why some houses burn while others remain untouched during wildland fires. They share compelling examples from recent cases, including how aluminum components in modern vehicles melt at specific temperatures, helping investigators understand fire patterns. The episode also features a delightful international twist as they sample British snacks brought by a visiting fire investigator from England, adding a light-hearted moment to balance the serious discussion.Looking ahead, the hosts announce exciting updates about upcoming conferences, including a special appearance by Dr. Greg Gorbett teaching fire dynamics at the California Conference of Arson Investigators in February. They also preview an intriguing presentation on BHO (Butane Honey Oil) labs by Lauren Gruber and Elizabeth Buck, addressing the evolving challenges investigators face with these facilities. The episode wraps up with a celebration of their growing international audience and reaching 70 five-star Apple Podcast reviews. As a testament to their commitment to education, the hosts encourage listeners to continue reaching out with questions, whether they're newcomers to the field or experienced investigators seeking guidance.PAPRS unit information : Tim Costa- Tim@canbesafe.comDonate to LAFD: supportlafd.orgThank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

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Send us a textIn Episode 19 hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens welcome special guest Investigator Tom Beers, a firefighter and fire investigator with the Cleveland Heights Fire Department and board member for the Ohio Chapter of the International Association of Arson Investigators. The episode kicks off with a delightfully entertaining discussion about regional accents and dialect differences, from the peculiarities of Midwestern pronunciations to the great "pop vs. soda" debate!The conversation takes an exciting turn as Tom shares his journey from aspiring lawyer to firefighter, sparked by a chance encounter during a college EMS ride-along. He describes his fascinating path through military service, the Dayton Fire Academy, and eventually to Cleveland Heights, where he's served for over 20 years. Tom then dives into his groundbreaking work drafting new Ohio legislation for fire investigators' firearms qualifications, updating laws that hadn't been touched since 1953!The hosts and Tom share their experience at the Ohio conference, where Scott and Chasity taught a packed session on AI applications in fire investigation. They also geek out over cutting-edge forensic technology, including an impressive demonstration of a new UV flashlight for detecting ignitable liquids. A highlight of their Ohio visit was an impromptu two-hour tour of the state's forensic lab, which left them thoroughly impressed with the facility's 7-10 day turnaround times and sophisticated capabilities.The episode wraps up with heartwarming stories of podcast fans they met at the conference, a review of the Evidence Collection Technician (ECT) certification process, and their signature segment "Can You Use It in a Sentence?" where Tom challenges listeners with the term "inductive reasoning." From accents to arson investigation, this episode perfectly blends education, entertainment, and the passion these investigators bring to their field.Be sure to catch the next episode in two weeks, where they'll unpack the meaning of "inductive reasoning" and continue bringing you the latest insights into fire investigation!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode of In Focus Fire, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens welcome Deputy Attorney General Lauren Guber for the debut of their new recurring segment "From the Legal Desk." Fresh from teaching a courtroom testimony class, Lauren shares invaluable insights from her unique perspective as a prosecutor, offering a fascinating glimpse into the intersection of fire investigation and legal proceedings.The conversation delves deep into crucial topics like confirmation bias in fire investigations, the importance of proper documentation, and the delicate balance investigators must maintain when testifying in court. Lauren, drawing from her extensive experience as both a Los Angeles County District Attorney and now Deputy Attorney General, provides enlightening examples of courtroom scenarios and expert witness testimonies, including a compelling story about an expert witness who cited "the internet" as their research source.The episode takes an interesting turn as Lauren discusses her journey from aspiring medical student to a prosecutor, revealing how a chance encounter with fire investigation cases involving drug labs led to her current expertise in arson prosecution. The hosts also announce Lauren's upcoming presentation at the California Conference of Arson Investigators in February 2025, where she'll be discussing the evolution of butane honey oil labs from residential settings to large-scale warehouse operations.The discussion concludes with a valuable segment on the proper use of AI in report writing, addressing common misconceptions and providing practical guidance for investigators. The hosts introduce their traditional word segment, with Lauren offering "indicia" as a term that bridges the gap between law enforcement and fire investigation vocabularies. This episode serves as an essential resource for fire investigators, offering unique insights into the legal aspects of their profession while maintaining an engaging and educational tone throughout.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textPart two of our riveting conversation with Investigator Buckingham delivers the long-awaited conclusion to our courtroom cliffhanger. After a deadlocked jury and a surprising nine-to-three split for acquittal on the aggravated arson charge, the prosecution regroups with amended charges. Buckingham walks us through the intense second trial, complete with expert witness drama, mental health defense tactics, and an unexpected courtroom revelation that nearly derailed the entire case. Through persistence and masterful testimony techniques, justice is finally secured for the community affected by this devastating fire.The episode takes an authentic turn as our hosts dive into a candid discussion about ADHD, anxiety, and panic attacks in the fire investigation field. Scott and Chasity share personal insights about managing these challenges while maintaining professional excellence, offering a rare glimpse into the human side of fire investigation.In our WTF (We Train Frequently) segment, we highlight an incredible opportunity for fire investigators: free training at the National Fire Academy. Mark your calendars for the application period opening March 15th through April 15th, 2025, for the highly sought-after Fire Investigation Essentials course (R07).The episode wraps up with our popular "Can You Use It in a Sentence?" segment, featuring the word "deflagration" and teasing a new mystery abbreviation (ILR) for next time. Whether you're a seasoned investigator or new to the field, this episode offers the perfect blend of technical knowledge, real-world experience, and professional growth insights.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

Send us a textIn this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens welcome Investigator Justin Buckingham, a Battalion Chief and fire investigator with over 27 years of fire service experience. Recording from the California Conference of Arson Investigators' 70th-anniversary seminar, Justin shares the first part of a compelling case study about the Hopkins Fire that occurred in September 2021.The case begins with Justin responding to what started as a small quarter-acre vegetation fire that quickly grew to consume 257 acres, destroying 34 houses and over 50 total structures. As the investigation unfolds, Justin details the methodical process of determining the fire's origin, using techniques like examining backing and advancing indicators, and employing tools like the "bulb syringe" for detailed examination of the scene. Surveillance footage from a nearby trucking yard proved crucial, showing a suspect with distinctive features making multiple trips to the area before the fire started.Through a series of fortunate circumstances, including a chance encounter with the suspect immediately after reviewing the footage, law enforcement was able to identify and apprehend the suspect, Devin Johnson. The investigation led to multiple interviews and a complex legal process spanning several years, complicated by mental competency hearings and changes of venue. The episode ends on a cliffhanger, with the jury deliberating after a challenging trial presentation.The hosts also discuss upcoming training events, including seminars in Idaho, Mississippi, and Ohio where they will be presenting on artificial intelligence in fire investigation. The episode concludes with their regular segment reviewing a five-star listener review and introducing the word "deflagration" for the next episode's vocabulary discussion. (To be continued in Episode 17 for the conclusion of the Hopkins Fire case.)Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this episode of Fire Investigation INFOCUS, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens dive deep into the world of fire investigation myths and legends. With decades of experience between them (mostly Scott haha), they unravel long-held misconceptions and shed light on how the field has evolved. From the infamous myths about alligatoring to the truth about holes in floors, listeners are treated to an insider's look at the stories behind these debunked theories. The hosts explore how changing building materials and furnishings have transformed fire behavior, challenging investigators to adapt their methods. They discuss the importance of evidence collection, and the role of AI in investigations, and even touch on the challenges of marathon training. With a mix of serious discussion and playful banter, Scott and Chasity keep listeners engaged while delivering valuable insights into the field.The episode wraps up with a look at upcoming training opportunities and a tease about AI technology in fire investigation. Whether you're a seasoned investigator or simply curious about the field, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into the ever-evolving world of fire investigation. Don't miss the hosts' challenge to listeners to properly use "spalling" in a sentence - it might just save you from a kick in the nose!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In episode 14 of the Fire Investigation INFOCUS Podcast. They begin by discussing recent events, including Chasity getting a new Maine Coon kitten named Furiosa. Scott mentions completing fire investigation training series in San Diego and starting another in Orange County. The hosts then dive into the main topic - an overview of key fire investigation standards and a new standard that was recently released. They discuss NFPA 921 (Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations), NFPA 1033 (Standard for Professional Qualifications for Fire Investigator), and the new NFPA 1321 (Standard for Fire Investigation Units). Scott explains that 1321 is a standard, not just a guide, meaning fire investigation units will be required to follow it. He highlights some key requirements from 1321 around documentation, health and safety, training, and more. The hosts discuss how this new standard may impact both public and private sector fire investigators.Scott also shares insights on jury instructions related to fire investigation cases in California, explaining how understanding these can help investigators prepare stronger cases. The hosts announce upcoming fire investigation conferences and training events, including ones they'll be teaching at in Ohio and California. They close by reading and awkwardly responding to some podcast reviews, thanking listeners for their support and engagement. The episode wraps up with a brief discussion of confirmation bias in fire investigation and a teaser to look into the definition of "FIU" (Fire Investigation Unit) from NFPA 1321 before the next episode.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In episode 13 we have part 2 of Burning Down Bias with Investigator Brown. We delve into the intricacies of a complex trash fire investigation. Our hosts expertly dissect the case, examining crucial evidence including surveillance footage, witness testimonies, and the suspect's history. The discussion highlights the importance of thorough scene examination and the critical role of timeline analysis in fire investigations.The episode takes an educational turn as we explore the science behind cigarette-initiated fires. Our hosts break down common misconceptions, discussing ignition timelines and the factors necessary for a smoldering cigarette to transition to flaming combustion. This segment showcases the vital role of scientific understanding in accurate fire cause determination.We also get an insider's look at the legal proceedings following a fire investigation. The hosts share valuable insights on navigating preliminary hearings, addressing defense strategies, and the significance of presenting solid scientific evidence in court. The discussion wraps up with an engaging segment on thermal inertia and its relevance to fire behavior, followed by an introduction to the concept of confirmation bias in investigations. This episode offers a perfect blend of real-world case analysis and practical fire investigation knowledge, making it a must-listen for both professionals and enthusiasts in the field.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this episode of "Fire Investigation in Focus," hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens dive deep into the intricate world of arson investigation with guest Investigator Caleb Brown. Caleb, a former commercial pilot turned fire investigator, brings a unique analytical perspective to the field. The episode centers around a fascinating case study involving a trash fire in an apartment complex, showcasing the meticulous process of fire investigation. Listeners are taken step-by-step through the investigative process, from examining cigarette butts to ruling out potential ignition sources. The discussion highlights the critical importance of avoiding bias, thoroughly documenting evidence, and leveraging scientific research to build a solid case. Caleb's journey from the cockpit to crime scenes offers intriguing insights into the diverse backgrounds that can contribute to effective fire investigation. They also touch on the challenges of working with district attorneys and the significance of clear, comprehensive reporting. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the science and art of fire investigation, offering a blend of technical knowledge, practical experience, and thought-provoking discussions on the pursuit of truth in arson cases. Don't miss part two, where the investigation continues to unfold!Tiny Expeditions - A Podcast about Genetics, DNA and InheritanceExplore the exciting world of genetics in an easy-to-understand way with Tiny Expeditions.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifyThank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this episode of Fire Investigation INFOCUS, hosts Scott and Chasity dive deep into the world of firefighter and fire investigator safety. They kick things off with a hilarious story about Chasity's Instagram followers mistaking an electrical arc photo for dead animal bones - talk about a shock! The dynamic duo then welcomes Dr. Jeff Burgess to discuss groundbreaking research on firefighter cancer risk. Dr. Burgess breaks down the science behind PFAS chemicals and their potential health impacts. Scott even reveals his own surprising test results, adding a personal touch to this critical issue.But wait, there's more! The hosts then turn up the heat with an in-depth look at an innovative new respirator called Clean Space. Tim Costa joins to explain how this high-tech device is revolutionizing safety for fire investigators. Scott shares his firsthand experience using Clean Space on a recent fire scene, praising its comfort and effectiveness.Throughout the episode, Scott and Chassidy's banter keeps the energy high, cracking jokes about AI assistants and their own podcast milestones. They wrap things up with some word nerdery, diving into the fascinating world of "conchoidal fractures" in glass analysis. With a perfect blend of crucial safety information and lighthearted fun, this episode is a must-listen for anyone in the fire investigation field. Don't forget to rate, review, and share to help spread this valuable knowledge!Tim Costa- Clean SpaceEmail: tim.costa@cleanspacetechnology.comPhone: 401-573-5341Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

This episode of INFOCUS Podcast features hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens recording live in front of Scott's Investigation 1B class on their lunch break. The hosts dive into a range of topics starting with a discussion on recent cases and common misunderstandings in the field, such as the confusion between negative corpus and the process of elimination in report writing.The episode takes an interactive turn as the hosts field questions from the students, covering topics like evidence collection, report writing, and the challenges faced by new investigators. Scott and Chasity share valuable insights on articulating findings, using AI for transcription, and the importance of mentorship in the field. They also debate the concept of "imposter syndrome" and how it affects investigators at various stages of their careers.The conversation takes an interesting detour into the differences between public and private sector investigations, with Scott sharing his experience transitioning from public to private work. The hosts also discuss onboarding procedures for new investigators and the importance of preventative care in the profession.As always, the episode concludes with their signature segment "Can You Use It in a Sentence?" featuring the word "stoichiometric" and teasing a new term, "concoidal." The hosts wrap up with a playful ad for Fire Department Coffee. This episode offers a unique blend of professional insights, student interaction, and the hosts' trademark humor, making it an engaging listen for both seasoned investigators and newcomers to the field.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this engaging episode of "INFOCUS Podcast," hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens dive into a wide range of topics relevant to fire investigators. They start by discussing recent teaching experiences and the evolving landscape of fire investigation education. The conversation then shifts to the challenges of maintaining focus and efficiency in their work, touching on the unique perspective their ADHD brings to the field.The hosts address listener feedback and questions, particularly focusing on the use of AI in fire investigation. They share insights on new technologies, including the Clean Space respiratory protection system, emphasizing the importance of personal protective equipment on fire scenes. Scott and Chasity also discuss the increasing prevalence of lithium-ion battery fires and the safety concerns they present.Mental health in the fire service is addressed, with the hosts acknowledging the challenges of burnout and the importance of having support systems. They announce upcoming training opportunities, including the California Conference of Arson Investigators' 70th anniversary event. The episode concludes with a discussion on exigent circumstances in fire investigation and introduces "stoichiometric" as the word to research for the next episode. Throughout, Scott and Chasitdy maintain their signature blend of professional insight and casual conversation, making complex topics accessible and engaging for their listeners.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens discuss the complexities and nuances of fire investigations alongside special guest, Police Officer Russell. Officer Russell shares his extensive background in law enforcement, including his unique journey to becoming an arson detective. The episode covers a range of topics from the importance of interagency communication between fire investigators and law enforcement (the awkward first date) to insightful advice on managing fire scenes. They also recount a fascinating experience training fire/ police in Cambodia, highlighting cultural differences and the universal importance of effective fire investigation training.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this episode  hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens delve into the frequently asked question: 'How do you become a fire investigator?' Joined by special guests Inspectigator Kate Rocha and Investigator Steve Hess, the discussion explores the various paths to entering the field of fire investigation, from traditional firefighting to unique alternative routes. Tune in for inspiring personal stories, insightful tips, and real-world experiences from both public and private sector fire investigators.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In Episode 6 they welcome Fire Marshal Pesqueira, also known as 'The Inspectigator.' They discuss various aspects of the fire service industry, focusing on both fire prevention and investigation. Pesqueira shares her journey and the dual role she plays as a Fire Marshal and an adjunct instructor at Santa Ana College. The episode covers topics including the importance of fire alarm systems, the distinctions between smoke alarms and detectors, and the challenges faced by fire inspectors. She also talks about mentoring the next generation and the complexities of fire safety codes. The hosts and guest engage in a lively conversation filled with personal anecdotes and professional advice, making it an insightful and enjoyable episode for anyone interested in fire investigation and prevention.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this episode, Chasity and Scott have the author of Kirk's Fire Investigation as our guest. They discuss Dave Icove's background, including his early interest in fire investigation sparked by getting a fire prevention merit badge as a Boy Scout. Dave shares his experience working for the FBI in the 1980s doing arson profiling and analysis using an early AI system called VAX that could process news reports and other data. He talks about interviewing incarcerated serial arsonists and the Kirk's Fire Investigation book he co-authors.Dave provides insights into modern AI capabilities like language models and using them ethically for research and analysis in fire investigation. The hosts discuss the need to teach younger generations about leveraging AI tools. They get Dave's perspective on the upcoming 9th edition of Kirk's Fire Investigation potentially including an AI chapter.The show covers training events, listener feedback, fire investigation terminology like "statute of repose" and "truncated cone pattern", and the value of local fire investigation chapters and presenting at conferences to break into the training profession. Throughout, Dave shares his decades of experience in fire investigation.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, give us 5 stars, hit the follow button, and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social media!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

The guest on episode 4 was Ryan McCulloch, a fire captain and fire investigator, who shared his experience preparing for a jury trial involving a fire started by a transient person and causing fire damage to a concrete sidewalk. He detailed the challenges he faced, including the defense citing and questioning specifics from Kirk's Fire Investigation, like concrete discoloration caused by the fire, biases, and more. Ryan explained how he utilized AI to prepare for questioning on certain sections of NFPA 921 and emphasized the importance of paying attention to objections during his testimony. The hosts also covered Ryan's transition from working in fire suppression to becoming an investigator.  The word of the day, "saponification," was defined and used in a sentence related to commercial kitchen fires, and a new "phrase" of the episode was given. The episode teased an interview with an author of Kirk's Fire Investigation for the next episode.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode hit the follow button and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastFacebook: INFOCUS podcastSupport INFOCUS podcast by purchasing Fire Dept Coffee using the hyperlink below!:alnk.to/6mPm2oj and use code INFOCUS for 10% off.

In this episode, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens changed their format to answer listener questions and clarify the fundamentals of fire investigation for their growing audience spanning 21 countries. Chasity shared a personal story about fracturing her toe while trying to help a cat. The hosts go into explaining the systematic approach related to fire investigation, which involves following the scientific method to examine fire scenes in a consistent manner that can withstand legal challenges. They discussed the importance of properly conducting "dig outs" and "delayering" to remove debris and document evidence. They bring AI in to discuss if delayering is even a word and discover that the wide known term is actually "layer by layer". Report writing was highlighted as crucial for thoroughly documenting investigations. The hosts explained the roles of industry associations IAAI, the state chapters, and NAFI and the certifications they offer. Chasity shared an interesting case where she found a "million-dollar" piece. A new segment was introduced to explain unusual fire investigation terminology, tune in to find out the word for this week. Thank you all for listening! Keep the questions coming. Don't forget to Subscribe, Follow, Like, and Share! Those are all free ways to help us reach a broader audience and support the podcast. Support INFOCUS podcast by purchasing Fire Dept Coffee using the hyperlink below!:alnk.to/4fQ8u8E and use code INFOCUS for 10% off. Upcoming training and resources: In-depth analysis of NFPA 921 2024 edition webinarhttps://www.llrmi.com/webinar-detail/?eventid=29715New York Annual Spring Seminarhttps://nyfireinvestigators.org/2024-spring-training/Michigan Arson Schoolhttps://www.michiganiaai.org/upcoming-eventsNebraska IAAI 54th Annual Fire and Arson Conferencehttps://www.nebraskaiaai.org/training/Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode hit the follow button and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastSupport INFOCUS podcast by purchasing Fire Dept Coffee using the hyperlink below!:alnk.to/4fQ8u8E and use code INFOCUS for 10% off.

Scott and Chasity discuss positive feedback from their first episode and meeting listeners at the IAAI-ITC conference in Las Vegas. Highlights from IAAI-ITC include record attendance, engaging training classes, and favorite events like The Sphere and Penn & Teller show.The INFOCUS podcast has a new affiliate relationship with Fire Dept Coffee, use this link to support our podcast, https://alnk.to/4fQ8u8E with discount code ‘INFOCUS' for 10% off.Key training takeaways emphasize the importance of systematic investigation, recognizing fire damage may be worse away from an elevated origin, and how Chasity applied her training while unexpectedly teaching alongside expert Steve Carman.Chasity shares a case study where her Molotov cocktail training allowed her to discover critical evidence initially missed in a church fire, underlining the value of continuing education. The hosts mention upcoming training opportunities such as conferences in Arkansas and Montana, free National Fire Academy courses, California's Fire Investigation Academy, and online resources like CFItrainer.net & DCARI.In conclusion, Scott and Chasity stress the importance of having knowledgeable colleagues to consult on investigations. They give a shout-out to the CSI On Fire Podcast, tease an upcoming appearance on The Fire Break Podcast, and provide a link to referenced fire pattern studies below. Instagram- @infocus_podcastLinkedIn- INFOCUS PodcastFire Dept Coffee Link: https://alnk.to/4fQ8u8E and use code ‘INFOCUS' for 10% offSteve Carman Z-Factor Case Study- https://carmanfireinvestigations.com/publications/Drop Box Link to Fire Pattern Case Studies- https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hi81lzzp8gfzs6o/AADklhX64TMRN2wCc4HQgTpHa?dl=0National Fire Academy- https://www.usfa.fema.gov/nfa/Free online training:IAAI CFI Trainer- cfitrainer.net DCARI Dane County Arson Response Initiative- dcariwi.orgThank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode hit the follow button and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast

In this inaugural episode of the "Fire Investigation INFOCUS" podcast, hosts Scott Kuhlman and Chasity Owens introduce themselves and discuss their backgrounds in fire investigation.Introductions:- Chasity Owens is 29 years old with a B.S. in Fire, Arson, and Explosion Investigation. She has nearly 6 years of experience on the private side and holds several certifications (IAAI-CFI, NAFI-CFEI, CVFI). She is also the newly elected Secretary of the California Conference of Arson Investigators (CCAI).- Scott Kuhlman is a professional firefighter in Orange County, California with 30 years of experience. He has been in fire investigation for 25 years, working in both public and private sectors. He is the current President of CCAI.Purpose of the podcast: - To discuss fire investigation, provide education, and ignite curiosity about the field.- To feature conversations with experts and individuals that offer insights to areas that affect the field of fire investigation.Backgrounds and meeting:- Chasity chose the private sector route to dive directly into investigations rather than spending years in firefighting first. Scott had a traditional public sector career.- They met when Chasity was hired as a fire evidence technician at a private company where Scott worked part-time. They clicked professionally and Scott mentored Chasity.Industry insights: - Private sector investigations often go more in-depth on accidental fires than public sector ones, which typically stop if a fire is determined to be non-criminal to preserve the scene.- Maintaining objectivity and focusing on facts is crucial, rather than succumbing to pressure to reach certain conclusions or speculation.Training opportunities:- The California Conference of Arson Investigators is holding its 70th Anniversary Seminar in San Luis Obispo from October 21-24, 2024.- The Fresno City College Fire Investigator Academy offers a comprehensive 4-week program covering NFPA 1033 requirements from May 20 to June 14, 2024.You can register now for both the above mentioned trainings at CCAI's website. (arson.org)The hosts also discuss the growing role of AI in fire investigations and touch on their shared experiences with ADHD. Throughout the episode, their passion for the field and their collaborative relationship shine through.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed the episode hit the follow button and subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere you are listening in from. Follow us on social!Instagram: @infocus_podcastLinkedIn: INFOCUS podcastTikTok: @infocus_podcast