We Chat Divorce Podcast

In this powerful episode of We Chat Divorce, we sit down with Karen McMahon, high-conflict divorce strategist, certified divorce coach, and founder of Journey Beyond Divorce. Karen shares her deeply personal story of surviving a prolonged, high-conflict divorce—and how that experience became the foundation of her life's work helping others navigate divorce with emotional clarity and confidence. Together, we explore what it really means to “keep your side of the street clean” during divorce, why reacting emotionally is one of the most expensive mistakes people make, and how staying calm, clear, and confident directly impacts both your legal outcomes and financial future. This episode is essential listening for anyone feeling overwhelmed, triggered, or stuck in defense mode during divorce—especially in high-conflict situations. What You'll Learn in This Episode Why high-conflict divorce often makes the calmer spouse look like the problem The true meaning of “keeping your side of the street clean” How emotional dysregulation leads to rushed, costly decisions Why mindset, emotional regulation, and boundaries are foundational—not optional How to pause before responding to texts, emails, or demands Why financial clarity and emotional clarity must work together How inner work protects your children and breaks generational cycles Why a strong settlement alone does not guarantee peace or freedom How to reclaim your confidence during—and after—divorce Resources Mentioned Journey Beyond Divorce Website: https://www.jbddivorcesupport.com Journey Beyond Divorce Podcast (425+ episodes) Rapid Relief Call with a Journey Beyond Divorce coach: https://www.rapidreliefcall.com At My Divorce Solution, we see this every day:People don't make poor financial decisions because they're irresponsible—they make them because they're overwhelmed, reactive, and emotionally flooded. That's why we believe divorce preparation must include both financial clarity and emotional grounding. When you understand your numbers and regulate your responses, you stop reacting—and start leading. If you're navigating divorce and feel like you're constantly on defense, you don't need to decide everything today. Ready for Your Next Step?

High-conflict divorces thrive on chaos. In this episode of We Chat Divorce, hosts Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down with divorce strategist and coach Courtney Harkness to explain why treating divorce like a business deal—not an emotional battleground—can dramatically shift power, protect assets, and preserve peace. Courtney, creator of the Divorce Is a Business Deal framework, shares how successful professionals can stop reacting and start leading their divorce with strategy. Drawing from her own experience co-founding a private-equity-backed company and navigating a high-conflict divorce, Courtney breaks down the three-phase approach she uses with clients: Stabilize, Strategize, Execute. You'll learn why emotional stabilization must come first, especially when dealing with narcissistic or high-conflict spouses; how reacting fuels conflict and legal costs; and why “no sudden moves” is one of the most powerful rules in divorce. The conversation also explores why rushing to hire an attorney without financial clarity often escalates conflict—and how preparation saves time, money, and long-term regret. Karen and Catherine connect Courtney's framework directly to the My Divorce Solution methodology, emphasizing the importance of verified financial data, lifestyle analysis, and scenario planning before negotiations begin. Together, they explain how clarity replaces fear, how strategy changes leverage, and why winning in divorce isn't “beating” your spouse—it's getting out with your future intact. Key Topics Covered: High-conflict divorce strategy Divorce and narcissistic dynamics Stabilize, Strategize, Execute framework Financial preparation before legal action Why reacting is costly—and preparation is powerful How to protect assets, peace, and decision-making capacity If you're navigating a high-conflict or high-stakes divorce and feel stuck in reaction mode, this episode offers a grounded, strategic path forward. Next Steps: Start with clarity. Take the free Divorce Financial Assessment or learn more about the MDS Financial Portrait™ at MyDivorceSolution.com. Follow Courtney Harkness at DivorceStrategy.com and on Instagram @divorce.strategy. Protect your peace. Let knowledge be your power. divorce, high conflict divorce, narcissistic spouse, narcissist divorce, divorce strategy, divorce coach, divorce support, divorce advice, divorce tips, divorce planning, divorce preparation, divorce negotiation, divorce settlement, divorce mediation, divorce attorney, legal divorce advice, divorce financial planning, divorce finances, divorce money, financial clarity, CDFA, certified divorce financial analyst, marital assets, asset division, hidden assets, spousal support, alimony, child support, custody conflict, co-parenting with a narcissist, emotional abuse, financial abuse, trauma bond, stop reacting, no sudden moves, divorce is a business deal, business approach to divorce, leverage in divorce, protect your assets, protect your peace, women and divorce, men and divorce, high net worth divorce, complex divorce, divorce discovery, divorce documents, divorce checklist, we chat divorce, my divorce solution, karen chellew, catherine shanahan, courtney harkness, divorce strategy masterclass Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Most people would never start a cross-country trip without a map — yet that's exactly how divorce begins for millions of people every year. In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan break down the concept almost no one talks about early enough: the financial divorce roadmap. Divorce is not just emotional — it is one of the largest financial transactions most people will ever make. Without a clear financial roadmap, decisions get made from fear, pressure, and incomplete information — and those decisions can cost you tens of thousands of dollars over time. Karen and Catherine explain what a real financial roadmap looks like, how it reduces conflict and legal fees, and why clarity — not speed — leads to better outcomes. If you're feeling overwhelmed, rushed, or pressured to “just get it done,” this episode will help you pause, regain control, and make decisions that actually protect your future. What You'll Learn in This Episode Why divorce requires a financial roadmap, not just legal steps The most common “detours” that quietly destroy long-term financial security Why settling before accounts are verified is one of the biggest mistakes people make How emotions like fear, guilt, and urgency drive bad financial decisions The difference between reacting and negotiating with confidence Why most divorce conflict is actually about uncertainty, not money How a roadmap allows you to pivot when things change — without panicking Key Takeaways Divorce without verified financial information is gambling with your future Legal progress does not equal financial protection A roadmap is a decision tool, not a spreadsheet Preparation reduces conflict, legal fees, and regret You have the right to pause when information is missing Red Flags You're Divorcing Without a Map You're negotiating without seeing full statements You're keeping expensive assets without knowing the true monthly cost You're relying on verbal numbers or assumptions You don't know what you need to live each month Your plan is “I just hope this works out” At My Divorce Solution, we call this roadmap the MDS Financial Portrait™ — a verified, structured view of your full financial landscape before permanent decisions are made. Because fear is expensive. Clarity is not. This episode is educational only and does not provide legal or tax advice. Always consult your professional team for guidance specific to your situation. Start with clarity: take the free Divorce Financial Assessment Share this episode with someone who's starting divorce without realizing they need a map Join the MDS Community for expert guidance and live Q&A support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The holidays are supposed to be joyful — but when you're navigating divorce, they can feel emotionally overwhelming, financially stressful, and deeply isolating. In this episode of Divorce Explored on the We Chat Divorce Podcast, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan have an honest, grounding conversation about how to survive the holiday season without falling apart — emotionally or financially. This is not a parenting episode. This is a human episode. Karen and Catherine normalize the reality that joy and grief often coexist during divorce — and explain why boundaries around money, time, energy, and expectations are essential right now. You'll hear practical guidance, real personal stories, and clear permission to do the holidays differently this year. Why it's normal to feel grateful and gutted at the same time How holiday expectations quietly increase financial stress during divorce The most important money boundaries to set before you say yes to anything Why “keeping up appearances” can cost you far more than you realize How to avoid holiday debt that follows you into January Thoughtful gift strategies that don't require overspending Why co-parenting during the holidays is not a competition Time and energy boundaries that protect your nervous system How to say no — without guilt — to events that drain you Navigating the holidays with: Younger children, Adult children, or No children How forgiveness can be a gift to yourself, not a pass for others Why different holidays don't mean bad holidays — just new ones How the financial and emotional choices you make in December show up in January You are not failing because the holidays feel heavy. Boundaries are not selfish — they protect your future and your stability. You don't need to explain or defend your divorce to anyone. January will come, and preparation now creates confidence later. Choose one financial boundary and one emotional boundary to honor this season. Write them down. Keep them visible. That's enough. At My Divorce Solution, we help you replace financial fear with clarity. Our process begins with a Lifestyle Analysis — real numbers, real insight, and a clear understanding of what you can afford before decisions are made. Learn how the MDS Financial Portrait™ gives you verified numbers, expert guidance, and a personalized roadmap to protect your financial future.

Narcissistic partners don't just manipulate emotions — they manipulate money, security, and your sense of stability. In divorce, that mix is dangerous: fear clouds judgment, and confusion gets expensive. In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew (Legal Liaison) and Catherine Shanahan (Certified Divorce Financial Analyst) sit down with Dr. Onalee, an expert in narcissistic relationship dynamics, to break down what actually helps you recover — emotionally and financially — when you're dealing with gaslighting, coercion, and high-conflict behavior. You'll learn Dr. Onalee's DONE framework (a 4-step recovery process), why “trying to win” arguments backfires with narcissistic personalities, and how verified financial clarity becomes the backbone that helps you stop reacting and start leading. How narcissistic dynamics show up as financial control, dependency, and fear Why people stay: the real role of financial paralysis (even when there's money) The love-bombing → withdrawal cycle and why it keeps people hooked The counterintuitive strategy that protects your peace: neutrality, not engagement Why you don't need to prove, protect, or defend your story to “flying monkeys” A practical mindset shift for long marriages: you're not “too late” — you're waking up A crucial divorce truth: you may not need to defend yourself socially, but you do need to prove assets with documents What to do if you're afraid to ask for financial records or worried your spouse will find out you're preparing Why “lawyering up” too early can pour gasoline on the fire — and what to do first instead Dr. Onalee teaches a simple framework to move from stuck to stable: D — Decide you're done O — Look at the origin (the wound/pattern being triggered) N — No more (boundaries + detachment from proving yourself) E — Enjoy your life (rebuild identity, peace, and future) If you're dealing with a high-conflict, narcissistic-leaning spouse, clarity is your leverage. When you know the numbers and have documents to support them, you stop negotiating from fear — and start making decisions that protect your future. Dr. Onalee specializes in helping people recover from narcissistic relationship patterns, rebuild self-worth, and create healthier relationships after high-control dynamics. She's also the host of Coming Home with Dr. Onalee. Find Dr. Onalee: Instagram: @Dr.Onalee In this episode, we cover:Dr. Onalee's DONE Method (the 4 steps)Key takeawayAbout Dr. OnaleeYouTube/Podcast: Coming Home with Dr. Onalee Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen and Catherine sit down with Susan Guthrie—one of the nation's leading family law attorneys, top divorce mediators, and a recent guest on the Oprah podcast—to break down the realities of navigating divorce in today's turbulent economic climate. With inflation, job uncertainty, rising debt, and shrinking safety nets affecting families across the country, divorce has become more complicated, more expensive, and more emotionally overwhelming. Susan brings 35 years of experience to this conversation and explains why fear and confusion escalate when people attempt to negotiate or compromise without verified financial information. Together, Karen, Catherine, and Susan expose some of the biggest misconceptions surrounding mediation, financial disclosures, attorney roles, and the belief that a net-worth statement or Excel spreadsheet is “good enough.” They outline the critical need for accurate, neutral financial clarity—something the MDS Financial Portrait™ uniquely provides—to prevent stalled negotiations, runaway legal fees, and emotionally driven decisions that people regret later. Whether you're considering divorce, preparing for mediation, or already working with an attorney, this conversation offers the actionable guidance needed to move forward with confidence, strategy, and peace of mind. Connect with Susan Guthrie Explore her podcast and resources: DivorceAndBeyondPod.com Use her new AI-powered episode search tool to find topics like alimony, gray divorce, co-parenting, and more. Resources Mentioned MDS Financial Portrait™⁠ — the gold-standard tool for financial clarity in divorce Free Financial Assessment — learn where you stand and what steps make sense MDS Community — expert-led Live Q&A events and support Ready to Take the Next Step? Whether you're just beginning the divorce process or have been stuck in uncertainty for years, financial clarity is your strongest advantage. Start with the Free Financial Assessment, explore the Divorce Financial Portrait™, and step into mediation or legal discussions with confidence—not fear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down with high-conflict divorce coach and post-separation abuse strategist Jackie Miller to talk about what it really looks like to divorce a narcissist, survive Crazy Town, and protect yourself from financial abuse during and after divorce. Jackie shares her story of a 16+ year emotionally and financially abusive marriage, how post-separation abuse showed up through the legal and court system, and why so many smart, successful women still feel “crazy” and powerless when trying to leave a controlling or narcissistic spouse. Together, we unpack how manipulation, false narratives, financial control, and threats of litigation are used to keep you spinning — and how nervous system regulation, financial clarity, and the right support team can help you reclaim your power, make smart financial decisions, and move forward. If you're feeling stuck in a high-conflict divorce, being gaslit about money, or overwhelmed by attorneys, forensics, and financial documents, this episode will give you language, validation, and a roadmap for your next steps. About Our Guest – Jackie Miller Jackie Miller is a high-conflict divorce coach and post-separation abuse strategist who helps women and out-spouses disentangle from toxic relationships, reclaim their energy, and stop reacting to narcissistic manipulation — especially inside the family court system. A survivor of a 16.5-year emotionally and financially abusive marriage followed by a high-conflict divorce, Jackie blends lived experience, neuroscience, and practical strategy in her work. She is also the host of the podcast “Out of Crazy Town: Your Guide to Divorcing a Narcissist,” where she speaks directly to those navigating the chaos of narcissistic and high-conflict divorce. Connect with Jackie: Website: jackiemillercoaching.com Podcast: Out of Crazy Town – Your Guide to Divorcing a Narcissist (available on major podcast platforms) Instagram & YouTube: @outofcrazytown Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The holidays can magnify every stress you're carrying—especially if you're quietly preparing for a separation, navigating financial uncertainty, or simply trying to hold things together one more season. In this special Thanksgiving episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan break down how to manage holiday emotions and protect your financial stability when divorce is on your mind or already underway. With decades of combined legal and financial expertise, the co-founders of My Divorce Solution (MDS) help you understand what really matters right now: ✔ Staying grounded ✔ Avoiding financial mistakes that follow you into the new year ✔ Keeping perspective when emotions run high ✔ Knowing what spending today means for your marital estate tomorrow This episode delivers clear, actionable insights to help you move from stress to strategy—because clarity is power, especially during the holidays. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your brain isn't wired to make you happy — it's wired to keep you safe. During divorce, that “safety system” often looks like fear, guilt, second-guessing, and staying stuck in situations that no longer serve you. In this powerful episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down with neuropsychologist and therapist Isabelle Ulenaers, creator of the UNTAMED™ Framework, to unpack how your brain and nervous system respond to divorce — and how you can rewire fear so you can move from survival mode into self-trust. Isabelle explains why your brain treats divorce like a “lion attack,” how the amygdala, fight-flight-freeze response, and window of tolerance affect your decisions, and why so many women feel guilty for wanting to leave a relationship that “looks fine on paper.” Together, they explore silent divorce, gray divorce, burnout, numbness, and the subtle ways we abandon ourselves to keep the peace. You'll also hear how daily grounding practices, nervous-system regulation, and practical financial clarity can calm your brain's alarm system so you can prepare for divorce with a clear mind — instead of letting fear, urgency, or guilt drive the process. This episode is a roadmap for anyone who feels stuck, scared, or unsure whether they're “allowed” to want more from their life, love, and money story. Resources Connect with Isabelle Ulenaers to learn more about her work, the UNTAMED™ Framework, and how she supports ambitious women through divorce and major life transitions. https://www.isabelleulenaers.com/ https://www.instagram.com/isabelle.ulenaers/ Turn Fear into Financial Facts with My Divorce Solution Visit MyDivorceSolution.com to learn how the MDS Financial Portrait™ gives you a verified, complete view of your marital estate so you can calm financial fear with facts and make confident settlement decisions. https://mydivorcesolution.com/ Join the Free MDS Community: https://community.mydivorcesolution.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rebranding Divorce: The Post-Divorce Growth Cycle—Radical Self-Care, Money Confidence, and Community Founders Mimi Sullivan and Carolyn Bilyak of Rebranding Divorce join Karen and Catherine to unpack the Post-Divorce Growth Cycle—a practical framework that helps women move from survival to confidence through radical self-care, money clarity, and healthy relationships. We discuss why community accelerates healing, how nervous-system awareness changes your money story, and why clear financial data—not emotion—drives better post-divorce decisions. Key Takeaways Clarity compounds: build confidence in one pillar (money or self-care) and the others strengthen. Regulate, then calculate: calm the nervous system so you can actually work the numbers. Community beats isolation: safe spaces prevent ruminating, revenge-energy, and rushed decisions. Data protects you: verified financials reduce mistakes, regrets, and legal costs. Growth is cyclical: each pass through the cycle allows deeper work (from budgeting → investing, from rest → purpose). If you're thinking about divorce—or already in it—and want fact-based financial clarity, start with our Free Financial Assessment. Then use the MDS Financial Portrait™ to see verified numbers, disclosures, and your settlement options so you can move forward with confidence. Have a question for Karen & Catherine? Email: wechat@ck11.net Resources & Links Rebranding Divorce — ⁠rebrandingdivorce.com⁠ Free MDS Financial Assessment — ⁠https://myfinancialportrait.com/⁠  MDS Community (Free) —⁠ https://community.mydivorcesolution.com/⁠ MDS Financial Portrait™ — a verified, flat-fee roadmap to divorce financial clarity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thinking about divorce mediation? Before you walk into the room, ask yourself one question: What exactly are you mediating if you don't even know what you have? In this episode of Divorce Explored, Karen Chellew (Legal Liaison) and Catherine Shanahan, CDFA® (Certified Divorce Financial Analyst) from My Divorce Solution reveal the most common — and most costly — mistake they see every week: people going into mediation without complete, verified financial information. They'll show you why financial clarity is the strategy, and why mediation is just a tool. What You'll Learn: ✅ Why “just mediating to get it over with” can cost you thousands later ✅ The real difference between asset division and spousal support ✅ How a “55/45 split” can be misleading (and not actually in your favor) ✅ How to avoid the pressure of signing after 10+ hours at the table ✅ When to say “I'm not ready” — and why that's your legal right ✅ How the MDS Financial Portrait™ prepares you for mediation with facts, not fear. Before You Mediate: 1) Verify all assets and debts (not just what someone says out loud) 2) Confirm income for both parties 3) Know your realistic support range 4) Review property division scenarios 5) Identify your non-negotiables 6) Get your MDS Financial Portrait™ to organize it all About My Divorce Solution: Founded by Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan, CDFA®, My Divorce Solution has helped over 15,000 families navigate divorce with financial confidence and clarity, saving over $1M in legal costs using their signature process — the MDS Financial Portrait™ Start with their free Financial Assessment, then get your verified Financial Portrait™ to walk into mediation empowered, informed, and prepared.

In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down once again with the inspiring Jessica Frew—wife, ex-wife, mom, stepmom, podcast host, and now author of Shove Your Shoulds. Jessica shares how her unique journey through divorce, co-parenting, and remarriage has shaped her mission to help women step out of overthinking and into powerful decision-making. Jessica opens up about: Navigating divorce after discovering her husband was gay—and why she chose to stay married for several years after knowing. How she and her ex built a co-parenting relationship rooted in respect and friendship, putting their daughter first. Why letting go of “shoulds” frees us from shame and judgment, allowing space for clarity and confidence. The power of informed, intentional choices—whether staying, leaving, or rebuilding life after divorce. Why confidence comes not from having all the answers, but from taking action, one step at a time. Karen, Catherine, and Jessica also discuss how financial clarity—through tools like the MDS Financial Portrait™—helps women face uncertainty with strength, whether they decide to stay married or divorce. Knowledge is power – facing your reality (financial and personal) allows you to make empowered decisions. Be willing to pivot – life may not go as planned, but that doesn't mean it can't still be good. Let go of the shoulds – true confidence comes from action, not perfection. Learn more about Jessica and grab her new book Shove Your Shoulds: shoveyourshoulds.com Follow Jessica on Instagram: @heyjessicafrew Explore the MDS Financial Portrait™: mydivorcesolution.com We Chat Divorce is brought to you by My Divorce Solution, the #1 resource for financial clarity during divorce. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this Divorce Explored episode of We Chat Divorce, MDS co-founders Catherine Shanahan, CDFA®, and Karen Chellew, Legal Liaison, reveal how common financial shortcuts can cost divorcing couples thousands—sometimes hundreds of thousands—of dollars. From so-called “honesty policies” that skip verification, to misclassifying home-sale proceeds as income, to cashing out retirement accounts too soon, Catherine and Karen unpack the real impact of assumptions, missing documents, and misunderstood advice. They'll show you why verified data—not verbal promises—is the only way to protect your financial future. Whether you're preparing for mediation, negotiating a settlement, or already divorced, this episode will help you spot red flags before they turn into regret. You'll Learn How To: Identify the red flags that signal financial shortcuts in divorce Understand when assets ≠ income in support calculations Avoid costly mistakes when dividing or liquidating retirement accounts Confirm accurate valuation dates and tax implications Use the MDS Financial Portrait™ to model real cash flow before you sign Resources Mentioned Free MDS Financial Assessment – discover your starting point The Divorce Financial Portrait™ – verified data = financial clarity MDS Community – connect for support and education Listen & Subscribe - Follow We Chat Divorce on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube for weekly financial divorce insights that turn fear into focus, focus into knowledge, and knowledge into power. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What really happens behind the scenes at a divorce law firm? In this eye-opening episode of We Chat Divorce, co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down with Attorney Kirk Stange, Founding Partner of Stange Law Firm, to uncover the truth about how family law really works—from the attorney's side of the table. Kirk has guided clients through divorce for more than 20 years, leading a firm with offices across 30 states. He joins Karen and Catherine for a candid conversation about what makes a great divorce attorney, why so many clients lose trust in the legal process, and how preparation and financial clarity can change everything. Together, they discuss: What makes a lawyer truly good at family law Why some attorneys avoid going to trial (and what that means for you) How judges pressure lawyers to settle cases The real story behind billable hours and “winning” in divorce Why financially prepared clients make better decisions If you've ever felt frustrated or confused by your attorney—or just want to know how to work smarter with one—this episode will change the way you see the legal side of divorce.

If you're over 50 and quietly wondering whether to stay or go, you're not alone. In this episode of We Chat Divorce: Divorce Explored, My Divorce Solution co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan, CDFA®, break down the real truths behind gray divorce—and why so many couples live in a silent divorce long before they ever make a decision. They share personal stories, client experiences, and the financial insights that can help you stop the emotional bleed and start building a plan. Whether you're thinking about divorce, living in financial fog, or simply craving clarity, this conversation will help you move from confusion to confidence. You'll learn: What a silent divorce really looks like—and how to recognize if you're in one The biggest financial mistakes people make in gray divorce Why clarity—not conflict—should guide your next steps How to use the MDS Financial Portrait™ to see your complete financial picture Why Step Zero (getting organized) is the most important part of your divorce journey About We Chat Divorce Hosted by Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan, CDFA®, co-founders of My Divorce Solution, We Chat Divorce explores the financial, emotional, and practical sides of divorce so you can move forward with clarity and confidence. Learn more about The MDS Financial Portrait™:https://mydivorcesolution.com/financial-portrait  Join the MDS Community for guidance, resources, and support:https://mydivorcesolution.com/community Listen to more episodes: https://mydivorcesolution.com/podcast  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Buying a home is one of the biggest financial decisions you'll ever make — but what happens when that decision collides with divorce? In this episode of We Chat Divorce, co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan dive into the risks, timing, and financial implications of purchasing real estate during divorce. They share a real client story where a “protective clause” in a sales contract turned out to be anything but protective, highlighting how emotions, timing, and the wrong assumptions can create long-term financial consequences. You'll learn: Why feeling “protected” isn't the same as being legally and financially protected The hidden risks of using retirement accounts or insurance loans to fund a property purchase How buying too soon can complicate your divorce settlement and negotiations Why waiting (even when it's hard) can sometimes be your best financial strategy How the MDS Financial Portrait™ helps you make confident, informed decisions before signing any major contract Whether you're tempted to buy a new home right now, or just want to understand how real estate fits into the divorce process, this episode offers the clarity you need to move forward wisely. Share them with us — we'd love to hear your story. Know someone navigating these same challenges? Send them this episode. Have questions about real estate decisions during divorce?  Email us WeChat@CK11.net Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Karen and Catherine talk with Tina Keyes, a Florida Supreme Court certified family mediator and divorce coach. Tina shares how her own family experiences led her to create a Kids First mediation model, designed to reduce conflict and keep the focus on families—not legal battles. We cover what pro se mediation really means, how to know if it's the right fit, and why coming prepared—both financially and emotionally—is the key to success. Key Takeaways What pro se mediation is and who it works best for Why Tina avoids 8-hour “marathon” sessions and instead uses short, focused meetings How to prepare for mediation: from parenting plans to verified financial data The importance of putting kids first throughout the process Why making decisions based on facts, not emotions, leads to better long-term outcomes About Our Guest Tina Keyes is a Florida Supreme Court certified family mediator, certified divorce coach, and co-parenting specialist. She is also certified in trauma-informed practice, special needs divorce, and high-conflict co-parenting. Through her Kids First Mediation framework, Tina helps families reduce stress, save money, and make child-focused decisions. Learn more: floridadivorcemediation.com Kids First program: kidsfirstmediation.com Resources Prepare for mediation with the MDS Financial Portrait™: mydivorcesolution.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful and timely episode, Karen and Catherine discuss what really happens when you're blindsided by divorce—whether through infidelity, unexpected papers, or emotional betrayal—and why your first step should not be calling a lawyer, but gaining financial clarity. They break down the emotional chaos that can follow the shock of divorce and offer a different approach: one grounded in calm, informed decision-making. Drawing from their personal experiences and years of professional insight, Karen and Catherine explore how the MDS Financial Portrait™ can provide structure and security in the most destabilizing moments. What You'll Learn: The emotional toll of being blindsided—and how to pause before reacting Why rushing to a lawyer can be financially dangerous without preparation How the MDS Financial Portrait™ gives you clarity on what you own, owe, and deserve Real-life examples of how emotional decisions in divorce can backfire financially Why understanding the scope of professionals like forensic accountants or attorneys is critical How to regain control and create a smart, sustainable path forward—even in crisis If you're feeling lost, overwhelmed, or caught off guard by divorce—this episode is for you. Get the clarity you need to make empowered decisions. Visit mydivorcesolution.com to learn more about how we help you prepare financially for divorce with confidence and peace of mind. Loved this episode? Share it with a friend, subscribe for weekly insights, and leave us a review. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Divorce isn't just a legal or financial process—it's an emotional one. In this powerful episode, Karen and Catherine are joined by Virginia Gilbert, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and author of Transcending High Conflict Divorce, to talk about a topic most people don't expect to encounter during divorce: grief. Together, they explore: The emotional toll of divorce grief—even if you're the one initiating it Why grief can leave you feeling financially stuck or frozen The real reason some spouses feel guilt or shame about asking for financial clarity How emotional reactivity can sabotage financial decisions The pressure many women feel to hold on to the family home The myths and realities of “nesting” after divorce How to move from emotional reactivity to radical acceptance—and why it matters Virginia also shares her own story of navigating a high-conflict divorce, how that experience reshaped her career, and why she believes divorce can be a transformative experience—if you're willing to do the inner work. Divorce grief is real—and it's not linear. Expect to cycle through denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and finally, acceptance (aka “DABDA”). High-conflict dynamics often carry over from the marriage into the divorce. Learning to disengage emotionally is essential. Financial empowerment starts with overcoming emotional roadblocks and becoming an active participant in your own decision-making. Letting go of control, identity, or even the family home can be one of the hardest—but most liberating—parts of healing. Radical acceptance doesn't mean indifference. It means understanding what you can't change and choosing how you'll respond next. About Our Guest: Virginia is a licensed marriage and family therapist practicing in California, North Carolina, and Florida via telehealth. She specializes in helping people disengage from high-conflict exes and take their power back. She's the author of Transcending High Conflict Divorce and leads therapeutic divorce groups for men and women navigating emotional entanglement and reactivity. Learn more: virginiagilbertmft.com At My Divorce Solution, we help clients move from emotional overwhelm to financial clarity. If you're navigating divorce grief, remember: your healing starts with knowing. And your financial empowerment begins with preparation. Explore the MDS Financial Portrait™, our verified divorce preparation tool, at MyDivorceSolution.com Key Takeaways: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're wrapping up Divorce Summer School with real-world examples from the divorce frontlines. In this episode, Karen and Catherine walk through true-to-life financial case studies to show how preparation, clarity, and the right support can completely transform the divorce experience. You'll hear what went right, what went wrong, and what you can do differently—so you don't become a cautionary tale. What You'll Learn: Why “simple” divorces can still go financially off the rails The cost of emotional decision-making (and how to avoid it) Real examples of how the MDS Financial Portrait™ changes outcomes How one couple saved thousands by getting clarity before hiring professionals The questions that could have saved others months—and tens of thousands of dollars Send us your story or question: wechat@ck11.net. We may share lessons from it in a future episode. Get your Financial Portrait™ started at mydivorcesolution.com Join our community for tools, support, and real-life insights Thank you for joining us for Divorce Summer School! Catch up on all 6 episodes and begin your journey to financial clarity and smart decision-making in divorce. Free Resources: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week in Divorce Summer School, we're breaking down a popular article: “7 Things to Do ASAP When Your Spouse Wants a Divorce” from MSN & Money Talks News—and giving you the MDS-approved version. Karen and Catherine go tip-by-tip to explain what advice holds up, what you should reconsider, and what most people get wrong when panic sets in. If you're unsure how to respond when divorce is suddenly on the table, this episode will help you shift from reaction to strategy. Why hiring an attorney might not be your first step How to run a credit report (and why your score isn't enough) What “entitled” really means in divorce—and why mindset matters How to protect your assets without escalating conflict Smart, emotionally aware ways to talk to your kids What financial clarity actually looks like (and why it changes everything) Start your financial assessment at mydivorcesolution.com Next Week on Divorce Summer School: “Real Life, Real Numbers – Unpacking Financial Case Studies in Divorce.” What You'll Learn:Free Resources: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week in Divorce Summer School, we're answering one of the most overwhelming questions in the divorce process: Who should I hire? Karen and Catherine break down the roles of attorneys, mediators, CDFAs, coaches, therapists, and more—so you can confidently build the right team for your needs (not someone else's). You'll also learn how financial preparation helps every professional on your team do their best work—and saves you from wasting time, money, and emotional energy. If you're unsure where to start or afraid of making the wrong hire, this episode is your roadmap. The true role of an attorney—and when it's too soon to hire one Why mediators aren't financial advisors or decision-makers The essential difference between forensic accountants, CDFAs, and daily money managers How emotional overwhelm leads to costly professional hires Why preparation before professionals is the smartest path forward Start your financial assessment at mydivorcesolution.com Next Week on Divorce Summer School: “Real Life, Real Numbers – Unpacking Financial Case Studies in Divorce.” What You'll Learn:Free Resources: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week in Divorce Summer School, we're getting real about one of the most confusing—and expensive—parts of the divorce process: financial discovery. In this eye-opening episode, Karen and Catherine break down how the traditional legal discovery process can drain time, money, and energy—and how My Divorce Solution's Financial Portrait™ helps you take control before things spiral. If you've ever asked, “Doesn't my attorney already do this?”—this episode is for you. What financial discovery actually means in litigation or mediation Why most attorneys aren't equipped to provide financial clarity How the MDS Financial Portrait™ saves you time, money, and stress Real case examples of overspending on legal fees vs. proactive prep Why informed clients make the best decisions (and spend less doing it!) Tools Mentioned: MDS Financial Portrait™ mydivorcesolution.com Attorney Prep Guide Document Checklist Divorce Summer School continues next week with Episode 4: “7 Smart Divorce Tips—What We Recommend (and What We Don't).” What You'll Learn: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Week 2 of Divorce Summer School, we're bringing back one of our most talked-about episodes—an honest, eye-opening look at financial abandonment and what to do when you're cut off from money, access, or support during divorce. Karen and Catherine break down what financial abandonment actually looks like—not just from your spouse, but sometimes even from your own legal team. This episode is packed with tips to help you prepare, advocate for yourself, and stop feeling stuck, alone, or powerless when it comes to your finances. Whether you're just starting to think about divorce or already in it, this conversation is your reminder that you have more options—and more power—than you think. What You'll Learn: What financial abandonment really means (it's not just about money) How to advocate for yourself when your spouse—or your attorney—fails to Steps to take if your access to credit, cash, or documents is suddenly cut off How to avoid emotionally driven financial decisions Why preparation is your strongest form of protection Email us at wechat@ck11.net or leave a comment. Your question might be featured in a future Divorce Summer School episode. Start Your Free Financial Assessment: Take the first step toward regaining clarity, control, and confidence. https://mydivorcesolution.com/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're kicking off Divorce Summer School with one of our most powerful and timely past episodes—now more relevant than ever. This conversation with marriage and relationship exit strategist, Tonya Carter dives deep into the emotional side of divorce: how to stop second-guessing, start trusting yourself, and build the confidence to take control of your financial future. If you're stuck in fear or self-doubt, this episode is your permission slip to take the next step—even if you're not 100% ready. What self-trust really means in the context of divorce Why emotional and financial clarity are deeply connected How to reclaim your voice, your decisions, and your future How to prepare for divorce without fear—even when your spouse controls the finances Real, practical ways to rebuild your identity and financial confidence Where in your divorce journey are you still waiting for permission to act? What would change if you trusted yourself just 10% more? We'd love to hear from you. Email us your thoughts or questions at wechat@ck11.net  Or leave a comment wherever you're tuning in. We'd love to answer your question in a future Divorce Summer School episode! Start Your Financial Assessment Instagram: @IamTonyaCarter Website: www.TonyaCarter.com Podcast: Purposely Thriving Podcast What You'll Learn:Listener Check-In:Resources:Connect with Tonya Carter: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Paying for college is stressful—add divorce to the mix, and it gets even more complicated. In this episode, Karen sits down with college planning expert Vicki Vollweiler to unpack what divorcing parents need to know about the FAFSA process, financial aid, and protecting both your future and your child's dreams. Vicki brings her unique expertise at the intersection of personal finance, college planning, and post-divorce parenting to help families avoid costly mistakes and missed opportunities. Whether your child is 3 or 17, this is an essential listen for any parent going through divorce. What You'll Learn: Why FAFSA rules have changed—and how they impact divorced parents Who should fill out FAFSA—and why it's not always the custodial parent The financial impact of remarriage on aid eligibility Key differences between FAFSA and CSS Profile How and when to use 529 plans vs. loans Why college planning should start during divorce (not after) What to do if a parent refuses to participate in the aid process Why honors programs can be a hidden financial win How to negotiate for more aid and appeal award letters Key Takeaways: “Don't put your head in the sand because you don't want to deal with the money. With planning, families can save tens—and sometimes hundreds—of thousands of dollars.” Start thinking about college costs during your divorce—not after Include financial aid participation clauses in your divorce agreement Appeal and negotiate financial aid packages—you can ask for more Consider honors programs and in-state schools as cost-saving strategies Proactive planning saves the most money (and stress) Resources from Vicki Vollweiler: College Financial Prep – Free 15-minute consultations available Upcoming Book + Workbook for Divorced & Widowed Parents (stay tuned!) Online courses, workshops, and soon: a book club for parents navigating this journey Have Questions? Email us at wechat@ck.11.net or visit mydivorcesolution.com Remember: Knowledge is power—and you are stronger than you think. Like and subscribe to We Chat Divorce so you never miss an episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this eye-opening episode of We Chat Divorce, we welcome Kara Chrobak, a Colorado-based family law attorney who brings deep insight into high-net-worth divorce, complex asset division, and marital agreements. Kara recently launched her own practice—Bespoke Law LLC—after over 15 years in big law. What we talk about with Kara: Why mediation sometimes feels more like pressure than resolution—and how to shift that narrative How to approach settlement with a risk tolerance lens rather than fear Why documentation and financial clarity are non-negotiable before negotiating The nuances of gray divorce, including retirement planning, lifetime maintenance, and emotional shifts When and how to consider a postnuptial agreement—and the legal pitfalls to avoid The critical importance of aligned communication between attorneys and financial professionals How MDS clients enter legal conversations more prepared and empowered Kara also shares her thoughtful, compassionate approach to working with clients and why education is the antidote to anxiety in divorce. Whether you're divorcing at 35 or 65, this conversation offers clarity, wisdom, and real-world advice from professionals who believe in empowering you with knowledge. Connect with Kara Chrobak, Esq., Founder, Bespoke Law LLC, Colorado  bespokelawllc.com Next Steps: Take the Free Divorce Financial Assessment Share this episode with someone navigating a high-net-worth or gray divorce Follow us for more empowering conversations Don't forget to like, subscribe, and leave a review! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Should you take the lump sum or stick with monthly support payments? In this episode, Catherine and Karen unpack one of the most misunderstood yet consequential decisions in divorce: alimony buyouts. Together, they demystify how these lump sum payments are calculated, who truly benefits, and what hidden pitfalls can jeopardize your financial future. From passive income projections to payout timing and mortgage qualification hurdles—this deep dive explores the real-world scenarios and tough questions you must ask before signing your agreement. Lump Sum Alimony: Pros & cons for both payer and recipient Tax implications & investment risks Liquidity vs. long-term cash flow Calculating present value & discount rates Passive income assumptions—and why timing matters What if the payer can't pay all at once? Tranches, step-down payments, and protective clauses Impact on mortgage eligibility The role of life insurance and estate protection Why enforceability & agreement language matter The crucial importance of stress-testing financial plans Listener Challenge: Are you considering a lump sum offer? Screenshot this episode and send it to a friend or family member who might be weighing the same decision. Share the clarity.

Welcome to another behind-the-scenes episode of Divorce Explored, your unfiltered look at what really happens inside My Divorce Solution. In this episode, Catherine and Karen tackle the five most common — and misunderstood — money questions they hear from individuals considering or starting the divorce process. If you've ever wondered: "Can you just take a quick look at our agreement?" "Doesn't my attorney already do this?" "Will I still need a forensic accountant?" "Isn't our estate simple?" "Will my attorney work with you?" ...this episode is for you. Our co-founders explain why financial clarity isn't a luxury — it's a necessity. Learn how lack of preparation leads to costly mistakes and emotional overwhelm, and why a proactive, data-driven approach saves you thousands while empowering you to make confident legal and financial decisions. "The Quick Look Myth": What sounds fair on paper rarely accounts for taxes, long-term consequences, or unforeseen life events. Legal ≠ Financial: Attorneys are not financial analysts. Without financial clarity, you're navigating blind. Forensics Isn't Always the Fix: Most clients don't need one — they just need to be prepared. Simplicity Is Deceptive: Even “simple” cases often hide six-figure surprises. Collaboration with Attorneys: MDS works with — not against — your legal team, setting the foundation for informed negotiation. The Divorce Financial Portrait™: Your personalized roadmap to financial clarity during divorce. Begin your Free Assessment,Take the first step toward financial empowerment. If this episode opened your eyes or gave you clarity, do us (and future listeners) a favor — leave a quick rating or review. Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss a weekly dose of divorce empowerment. Key TakeawaysFeatured Tools & Resources Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this empowering and heartfelt episode, Catherine and Karen sit down with Dr. Tara Egan, founder of Egan Counseling & Consulting, to discuss the emotional and practical realities of co-parenting through divorce—especially in high-conflict situations. With over two decades of experience and her own personal journey through divorce, Dr. Egan shares real-world strategies that prioritize peace, protect children, and reduce costly legal and emotional power struggles. Key Takeaways: Parent Coordination: Dr. Egan explains how a Parent Coordinator acts as a neutral party helping parents follow custody agreements and make day-to-day decisions without returning to court—saving time, money, and stress. Nesting Isn't Forever: Nesting (kids stay in the home while parents rotate in/out) can be helpful short-term but rarely works long-term. Stability comes from clear routines and emotionally safe environments—not physical space alone. Kids Need One Healthy Parent: Divorce doesn't "mess up" kids—how parents behave before, during, and after does. Kids thrive with at least one emotionally healthy parent showing up with consistency and compassion. Responding to Financial Blame: When children repeat financial accusations (“Mom took all the money”), avoid defensive responses. Instead, calmly reassure them with facts, warmth, and emotional safety. Set the Tone in Co-Parenting Conversations: Stay out of judgment. Acknowledge that families change and model positive, future-focused communication, even when your co-parent does not. Don't Expect Your Ex to Suddenly Be Different: Your ex won't magically become a more emotionally responsive or financially generous person post-divorce. Accepting that helps reduce your stress and disappointment. Resources Mentioned: Dr. Tara Egan's Website: www.egancounseling.com TikTok: @taraegan – Bite-sized advice for navigating co-parenting and high-conflict divorce. Subscribe to We Chat Divorce and explore more insights on financial clarity, parenting support, and emotional empowerment at mydivorcesolution.com/podcast. Listen Now: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this empowering episode of We Chat Divorce, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew unpack the viral “Let Them” theory popularized by Mel Robbins—and apply it to the high-stress, emotionally charged context of divorce. While “letting them” can sound passive, Catherine and Karen reveal how it's actually a strategy grounded in smart decision-making and emotional control. Learn how to let go of reactionary behaviors, protect your finances, and focus on what truly matters for your future. Why reacting to your ex's antics may cost you—emotionally and financially How “Let Them” becomes powerful when paired with financial clarity When to act, when to document, and when to simply pause Tools to track spending, identify emergencies, and stay grounded Why documentation is your best protection—not retaliation How the MDS Financial Portrait™ empowers you to respond with confidence Pause before reacting—use the “24-hour panic rule” Let your ex propose, spend, and posture—while you document Track joint spending, freeze credit lines if needed, and know your cash flow Use what you learn in the process to strengthen your negotiation power Don't agree to anything—mediation or otherwise—without financial clarity Are you struggling to “let them”? Do you need support in creating financial guardrails during divorce? Leave a comment or question, and we'll respond in a future episode.  Email us wechat@ck11.net  What You'll Learn:Practical Tips:Join the Conversation: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this insightful episode of We Chat Divorce, we sit down with New York matrimonial law expert Jacqueline Newman to uncover the real story behind cryptocurrency in divorce. From the early days of “Bitcoin parties” to high-stakes cases involving millions in crypto, Jacqueline shares her experience dealing with digital assets during complex marital dissolutions. Whether you're navigating a high-asset divorce or simply concerned your spouse might be hiding crypto, this episode breaks down what you need to know—and what your attorney should be asking for. What You'll Learn: How digital assets like Bitcoin impact divorce settlements Why cryptocurrency still feels “mysterious” and how to demystify it Common mistakes when dealing with crypto during financial discovery When to consider dividing assets “in kind” instead of assigning a value The real cost of hiring forensic experts to uncover hidden crypto Tips to protect yourself from financial blind spots during divorce Key Takeaways from Jacqueline: Always trace the source: “Every crypto purchase comes from somewhere—start with the bank statements.” Consider dividing in-kind: This strategy helps both parties share in the gains (or losses) of volatile assets. Don't fear the unknown: Crypto is just another asset—fear fades with financial literacy and the right support. Top 3 Documents to Request if You Suspect Hidden Crypto: Complete bank and brokerage account statements Sworn statements of net worth or financial affidavits All crypto wallet addresses and digital exchange records Learn more about Jacqueline's work at: BerkBot.com https://nycdivorcelawyer.com/ Learn more at mydivorcesolution.com Subscribe to WeChat Divorce on your favorite podcast platform. Have questions or topic ideas? Email us at wechat@ck11.net  Navigating crypto, complex assets, or financial uncertainty in your divorce? Start with the MDS Financial Portrait™ – your personalized financial plan for divorce clarity.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful episode, Jenny Stevens joins Karen and Catherine to explore how to manage emotions and make smart financial decisions during one of life's most difficult transitions—divorce. Jenny shares her personal journey from being a breadwinner navigating her own divorce, single parenting, cancer diagnosis, and career change, to becoming a coach who helps others turn life's adversities into transformation. “You don't need to overhaul your life. You just need to tweak the behaviors and habits that no longer serve you.” – Jenny Stevens Jenny Stevens jennystevenscoach.com IG: www.instagram.com/jennystevens_coach/  FB: www.facebook.com/jennystevenscoach  Email: Jenny@jennystevenscoach.com  Take the Free MDS Financial Assessment: mydivorcesolution.com Join the Conversation: Comment on this episode's post with 3–5 empowering thoughts you're choosing to focus on during your divorce journey. Let's create a mindset shift—together. Submit your questions for future episodes at: wechat@ck11.net Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more real conversations that make divorce less overwhelming and more empowering. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you've ever stared at a four-figure legal invoice and thought, “Where did my money go?” — this episode is for you. In this episode, Catherine and Karen break down the true cost of divorce and share how to spot red flags, avoid wasteful spending, and build a lean, efficient legal team. You'll hear about real-life examples of inflated invoices, underused experts, and clients who got burned by not knowing what they signed up for. From understanding the scope of your attorney's work to catching block billing and knowing when to pause and prepare, this episode arms you with the tools to keep your legal bills from taking over your financial future. Why some clients burn through retainers before any progress is made What “block billing” is — and why it's a red flag How to leverage paralegals and avoid being billed at attorney rates The difference between full-service, collaborative, and limited-scope attorneys When and if to hire a forensic accountant, CPA, or mortgage expert The power of getting financially prepared before hiring anyone What is your overall philosophy or style when handling divorce cases? How do you typically structure your team and delegate tasks? What are your hourly rates — and do they vary by who is doing the work? Are flat-fee options available for specific services? What is the retainer for my case and how is it applied? Is the retainer a minimum fee or refundable? Will I receive monthly billing statements? How do you track and report time for tasks performed? Will I be billed for internal meetings or staff conferences? Can I request a cap on monthly fees or be notified when nearing budget limits? How do you determine if a paralegal or associate should handle a task? How do you document prep work, and can I review those notes? Will I be billed for re-reviewing documents that have already been reviewed? Are billing errors ever adjusted if I notice discrepancies? How do you define the scope of work when hiring outside experts (like forensics)? How can I best work with you to keep my costs down? Batch your communications to avoid small, costly emails Ask for work product if you're billed for extensive review or prep Consider limited-scope representation for specific legal tasks Use financial professionals to prepare documents instead of high-priced attorneys Pause your case if needed — getting financially organized may save thousands "Every email you batch, every paralegal you leverage, and every line item you question is real money staying in your pocket — not evaporating into the billable hour." What You'll Learn:The 16 Questions to Ask Before Signing an Engagement Letter:Helpful Tips Shared: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful episode of WeChat Divorce, hosts Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan welcome Samantha Boss, high-conflict divorce coach and certified mediator, to discuss what a real parenting plan should look like—and why the standard legal templates aren't nearly enough. Drawing from her personal experience and professional work with divorcing parents, Samantha shares why parenting plans must go beyond weekends and holidays. Together, they dives deep into how decisions about healthcare, education, extracurriculars, and even future expectations should be clarified upfront to avoid conflict—and costly legal battles—down the road. Whether you're just starting your divorce journey or re-evaluating a current plan, this conversation reveals why a proactive, customized approach is key to protecting your children, your time, and your wallet. Samantha Boss is a certified divorce mediator and high-conflict divorce coach who helps moms take back control of their lives and protect their children's futures. Drawing from her personal experience with a contentious four-year divorce, she now empowers others to build effective parenting plans through coaching, education, and strategy.Learn more at samanthaboss.com. Connect with Us: Have a question or a topic you'd like us to cover? Email us at wechat@ck11.net Visit mydivorcesolution.com for expert guidance, financial clarity, and a supportive community throughout your divorce journey. About Our Guest: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hosts: Catherine Shanahan, CDFA & Karen Chellew, Legal LiaisonPresented by: My Divorce Solution You've done the work, your mediation date is approaching—and your spouse has barely provided more than a screenshot or two of their accounts. What now? In this episode, Catherine and Karen take you behind the scenes of what happens when mediation is scheduled but the documents just aren't there. They walk you through the common pitfalls, legal misconceptions, and high-stakes decisions that clients face in this scenario. Whether you're facing a controlling spouse, incomplete documentation, or pressure from professionals to move forward, this episode offers practical, empowering steps to protect your financial future. Why negotiating in mediation without full disclosure is like “negotiating in the dark” Why asking for documents is not aggression—it's protection Real-world scenarios and how professionals sometimes pressure clients to move forward prematurely The MDS playbook for Pre-Mediation Triage Your three critical options: Go, Pause, or Pivot Tools attorneys and mediators can (and should) use to get the missing data The real cost of moving forward without clarity—and how to avoid regret We want to hear from you. Email us at wechat@ck11.net with your questions or topic suggestions. Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be considered legal or financial advice. Please consult your own professionals for guidance tailored to your unique situation. What You'll Learn:Have a Question? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this empowering episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan welcome financial powerhouse Laura Webb, founder of Webb Investment Services and an advocate for women's financial empowerment. Together, they dive deep into the emotional and practical barriers that keep women from owning their financial lives — and how to overcome them. From personal money stories to professional lessons learned, this candid conversation is full of aha moments and actionable insights to help you shift from financial uncertainty to unstoppable confidence. Whether you're married, divorced, or starting over, this episode will inspire you to take the next step toward financial autonomy. Laura is a trailblazer in wealth management with over 30 years of experience and a passionate advocate for increasing the presence of women in financial services. Now in her “third act,” she's helping lead the charge to recruit and support more women in the financial advisory profession through her work with the Women's Leadership Alliance. My Divorce Solution – Learn more about the Divorce Financial Portrait™ Women's Leadership Alliance – Explore Laura's advocacy work Divorce Financial Portrait™ – Gain clarity, confidence, and control in your financial future Have a question or topic you'd like us to cover? Email us at WeChat@ck11.net

In this episode of Divorce Explored, co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan unpack the themes from Time Magazine's viral article, “When Having It All Becomes Wanting a Divorce” by Ada Calhoun. They explore the emotional and financial realities facing Gen X women navigating midlife questions, career shifts, and marriage fatigue. Drawing from personal experience and professional expertise, Karen and Catherine offer a grounded, supportive take on the “3 a.m. moment” many women face—and what it really means to want something more. Highlights Include: The emotional turning point that prompts many midlife divorces How financial clarity can bring confidence before making big decisions Why not all women who explore divorce are seeking to leave The importance of knowing what you have before deciding what you want Listen & Subscribe: Catch this episode and more on We Chat Divorce—your go-to resource for navigating the financial and emotional side of divorce with confidence. Visit our website: mydivorcesolution.com Have a question or an idea for a future topic? We want to hear from you!! Email us: WeChat@ck11.net  Special thanks to Ada Calhoun for sparking this important conversation through her powerful essay, “When Having It All Becomes Wanting a Divorce,” published by time. We encourage everyone to read the full piece: https://time.com/7216367/gen-x-women-midlife-divorce-essay  Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance. The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL'S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful episode, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down with Imago Relationship Therapist Colleen Kowal to explore the emotional complexities of marriage, divorce, and co-parenting. Drawing from her personal journey and years of professional experience, Colleen shares how relationship dynamics can lead to disconnect—and more importantly, how intentional conversations, discernment, and closure can pave the way for healing and rediscovery. Colleen explains the concept of Relational Contracts, the role of Discernment Therapy, and the importance of processing divorce in a way that minimizes harm—especially for children. Together, they discuss how financial imbalances, emotional triggers, and unfinished relationship dynamics often carry over into divorce and co-parenting if left unaddressed. About the Guest: Colleen Kowal Colleen is an Imago Relationship Therapist who works with individuals, couples, and families navigating the complexities of relationships, divorce, and co-parenting. Her approach blends personal experience as a child of divorce and a divorced parent with professional expertise to help clients move from pain to purpose. Learn more about Imago Relationship Therapy: https://www.hiltonheadislandcounseling.com/  Listen & Subscribe: Catch this episode and more on We Chat Divorce—your go-to resource for navigating the financial and emotional side of divorce with confidence. mydivorcesolution.com Submit questions: WeChat@ck11.net Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance. The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL'S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at hello@mydivorcesolution.com. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Karen and Catherine discuss the financial impact of starting divorce from the courtroom versus the kitchen table — and why preparation is everything, especially in high-conflict and high net worth cases. They break down costly mistakes, emotional traps, and the importance of data-driven decisions over emotional reactions. Mentioned in the Episode: AMG National Trust article on financial planning in divorce - https://www.amgnational.com/navigating-the-complex-terrain-of-a-high-net-worth-divorce/  The Divorce Financial Portrait™ by My Divorce Solution - https://mydivorcesolution.com/  Have questions? Email us at WeChat@CK11.NET – we'd love to hear from you! Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance. The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL'S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at hello@mydivorcesolution.com. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen and Catherine sit down with Shannon McGorry, a PCC-level ICF-accredited coach and founder of Love Strength and Grace. Shannon shares her personal divorce journey and how it led her to empower women through coaching. She helps women redefine their future—personally and professionally—by activating their Female Genius. Key Takeaways:

In this episode of Divorce Explored, Karen and Catherine dive into a timely AARP article, "Financial Checklist for Remarrying After 50." Together, they unpack the essential financial considerations and emotional conversations you should have before saying "I do" again—whether you're 50 or not. Drawing from their personal experiences and professional expertise, they explore topics like: ✅ Exchanging financial information with your future spouse ✅ Navigating conversations about children, alimony, and financial expectations ✅ Reviewing estate plans, wills, and medical powers of attorney ✅ Understanding Social Security and survivor benefits ✅ The importance of prenups—and how to reframe them as planning for a healthy marriage Key Takeaway: Love is powerful—but protecting your financial future is essential. Open, honest conversations about money, expectations, and boundaries before remarrying can set the foundation for a healthier, stronger relationship. Mentioned in this Episode: AARP's Financial Checklist for Remarrying After 50 The value of prenups at any age Why revisiting estate planning documents is critical Social Security considerations when remarrying later in life

In this episode of We Chat Divorce, hosts Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down with Nicole Farhat, a Certified Divorce Coach and former My Divorce Solution (MDS) client. Nicole shares her personal journey through divorce and how MDS empowered her with financial clarity, saving her thousands in legal fees while securing a successful financial outcome. From skepticism about her spouse's participation to witnessing the transformative power of MDS's Divorce Financial Portrait™, Nicole's experience serves as a testament to the importance of financial preparation. She discusses the emotional and financial challenges of divorce, the unexpected cooperation of her spouse, and the valuable role of MDS in neutralizing conflict while securing financial fairness. Now, as a divorce coach herself, Nicole helps others navigate divorce with confidence, advocating for education, preparation, and the right support system. Key Takeaways: Financial preparation is crucial. Understanding your marital assets before engaging attorneys can save thousands in legal fees. Spouses often participate despite initial resistance. Many clients fear their spouse won't cooperate, but MDS's structured approach often leads to engagement. MDS neutralizes emotional conflict. By focusing on facts and financial data, MDS facilitates productive conversations between spouses. Nicole's transformation. Through MDS, she gained confidence, a favorable financial settlement, and a new career helping others through divorce. The power of assembling a support team. A strong support system, including financial experts and divorce coaches, can make all the difference. Connect with Nicole www.nicolejoliecoaching.com https://www.instagram.com/nicolejoliecoachingllc/  Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance. The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL'S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at hello@mydivorcesolution.com. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tax season comes around fast, and for those navigating divorce, tax decisions can feel overwhelming. In this episode, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan break down the key considerations you need to keep in mind when filing your taxes before, during, or after divorce. Key Takeaways: ✔️ Filing Status Matters – Understanding the differences between filing jointly, married filing separately, head of household, and single. ✔️ Accessing Tax Information – Why gathering tax documents early is crucial, especially if your spouse has handled finances. ✔️ Negotiating Tax Savings – How tax benefits can be part of your divorce settlement strategy. ✔️ Claiming Dependents – Why alternating years may not be the best financial choice. ✔️ Alimony & Tax Law Changes – Understanding the post-2019 rules on taxable and deductible alimony. ✔️ 401(k) Withdrawals & Hidden Tax Consequences – The impact of taking funds from retirement accounts. Knowledge is power. Before making any tax-related decisions, consult with a qualified accountant to ensure you're making the best financial choices for your future.

Divorce is a life-changing legal and financial process, but understanding your rights and financial landscape can make all the difference. In this episode of We Chat Divorce, we sit down with top divorce attorney and award-winning author, Bree Sullivan Howell, Esq., to discuss financial clarity, courtroom strategies, and common pitfalls in divorce settlements. Bree shares insights from her 20+ years as a family law attorney, along with personal experiences that shaped her mission to support divorcing individuals—especially Christian women navigating the complexities of divorce in faith-based communities. Key Topics: ✅ The emotional and legal realities of divorce ✅ Why financial clarity is essential before negotiating assets ✅ Common mistakes in property division (and how to avoid them!) ✅ The two biggest pitfalls of dividing assets: Ownership & Obligation ✅ How alimony is determined and the misconceptions around financial need ✅ Hidden assets—where they may be lurking and how to uncover them ✅ Why an organized financial strategy strengthens your legal case At My Divorce Solution, we believe knowledge is power in divorce. Our Divorce Financial Portrait™ helps you organize, analyze, and present your financial data so you (and your attorney) can confidently navigate asset division and settlement negotiations. Connect with Bree Sullivan Howell, Esq.: Law firm website: https://www.sullivan-firm.com/  Crush Your Divorce Book: https://www.crushyourdivorce.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sullivanfirmllc/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawyerbree/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crushyourdivorce/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bree-sullivan-howell-esq-63b31325/  Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance. The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL'S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at hello@mydivorcesolution.com. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Divorce is already an emotionally charged and financially challenging process—but what happens when the industry itself makes things even harder? In this episode, Karen and Catherine pull back the curtain on the divorce process, shedding light on inefficiencies, costly mistakes, and systemic issues that can leave individuals feeling powerless. They discuss why so many divorcing individuals struggle to obtain basic financial information, how the legal system treats divorce like any other civil litigation (even when it shouldn't), and the hidden financial toll of unnecessary subpoenas, repetitive document reviews, and mismanaged mediation. More importantly, they share how to protect yourself, gain financial clarity, and avoid the common pitfalls of the divorce system. Key Takeaways: The Divorce Process is Broken: Many divorcing individuals enter mediation, hearings, or negotiations at a disadvantage due to missing or inaccessible financial data. Subpoena Shock: Subpoenas often fail to yield the necessary information, leading to wasted time and money. Mediation Misconceptions: Mediation is often framed as amicable, but in reality, many individuals feel pressured to settle—even when crucial financial details remain unresolved. Attorneys vs. Financial Experts: Attorneys play a critical role, but they are not financial experts. Many clients mistakenly expect financial guidance from their lawyers, only to realize too late that attorneys don't provide that level of financial insight. Taking Back Control: The MDS Financial Portrait™ is designed to equip individuals with financial clarity before they enter the legal system, reducing costly inefficiencies and empowering them to make informed decisions. Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance. The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL'S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at hello@mydivorcesolution.com. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Navigating co-parenting after divorce is challenging, especially when it comes to balancing custody, finances, and communication. In this episode of We Chat Divorce, we sit down with attorney Nicole Kobis to discuss how to create a strong parenting plan that prioritizes the well-being of children while maintaining financial stability. Nicole brings her legal expertise in family law, mediation, and parenting coordination to provide practical insights on how to set clear expectations, avoid common pitfalls, and ensure a fair and enforceable parenting agreement. Catherine and Karen share their personal experiences with parenting after divorce, highlighting the importance of having a solid plan in place—even when things seem amicable. From custody schedules to extracurricular expenses, we discuss how to manage evolving family dynamics while keeping children's best interests at the forefront. Key Topics Discussed: ✅ Why every co-parenting arrangement should have a parenting plan—even in amicable divorces ✅ The essential components of a parenting agreement, including legal custody, time-sharing, holidays, and financial obligations ✅ The role of a parenting coordinator in high-conflict co-parenting situations ✅ How financial responsibilities, including child support and extracurricular expenses, impact parenting decisions ✅ The emotional challenges of adjusting to co-parenting and how to stay focused on what's best for the children ✅ When and how to modify a parenting plan when life circumstances change Guest Spotlight: Nicole Kobis Nicole Kobis is a partner at Lindabury, McCormick, Estabrook & Cooper in Westfield, NJ, where she specializes in family law, including divorce, custody, and mediation. As a parenting coordinator, she helps parents implement and navigate parenting plans effectively. With a background in marketing and PR before transitioning into law, Nicole's passion is helping families find practical, amicable solutions during the divorce process. Resources & Links:

Divorce isn't just about ending a relationship—it's about reclaiming your financial future. In this episode, we explore how to navigate the emotional and financial challenges of divorce while setting yourself up for long-term independence. What We Cover: The importance of assessing your financial position before making any major decisions How to understand and differentiate between assets & liabilities Why having an investment strategy during divorce is crucial The role of attorneys & financial professionals—and why you still need to take control How to avoid wasting money in the legal process by defining your “everything” Smart financial decisions to protect your future Reframing divorce as an opportunity for a financial reset

In this insightful episode, Karen and Catherine are joined by dating and relationship expert Bela Gandhi to explore the world of second chances in love and finances after divorce. Bela shares her expertise on how to approach dating with confidence, avoid common pitfalls, and prioritize emotional and financial well-being. Together, they discuss how to rebuild after divorce, recognize red flags in relationships, and navigate the financial implications of dating during and after divorce. What You'll Learn in This Episode: Why second chances in love and finances are empowering after divorce. Common red flags to watch for in new relationships. The financial risks of dating during divorce and how to protect yourself. How Smart Dating Academy's “pink sparkly bubble wrap” approach supports clients through dating. Why understanding your role in past relationships is key to finding a healthy partnership. How to set healthy dating boundaries and protect your financial information. Tips for safe and effective online dating. How optimism and self-reflection pave the way for successful relationships. Subscribe to We Chat Divorce for expert advice on navigating divorce with clarity and confidence.

Show Title: Understanding Property Division: What's Yours, Mine, and Ours? Property division is one of the most complex and emotionally charged aspects of divorce. In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen and Catherine break down the process of dividing assets to help listeners gain clarity and confidence. They explore the differences between community property and equitable distribution states, explain marital versus separate property, and provide tips for managing high-value assets like businesses, stock options, and retirement accounts. Whether you're struggling to define "yours, mine, and ours" or aiming for a fair division of assets, this episode offers practical insights into achieving financial clarity during divorce. Key Topics: Community Property vs. Equitable Distribution States: How laws affect asset division and the role of “just and fair” principles. Marital vs. Separate Property: Understanding the distinctions and how commingling can blur the lines. Complex Assets: Tips for managing businesses, stock options, and retirement accounts with clarity and proper documentation. Financial Preparation: Why being informed is critical before mediation or negotiations. Real-Life Stories: How the MDS Divorce Financial Portrait™ empowers clients with organization and clarity. Key Takeaways: Clarity is Key: Understand the knowns, unknowns, and the impact of financial decisions. Preparation Saves Time and Money: Being unprepared can lead to rushed and costly decisions. Healthy Conversations Matter: Open financial discussions (even prenups) strengthen relationships. Take Control: Tools like the Divorce Financial Portrait™ keep you organized and in charge. Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance. The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL'S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at hello@mydivorcesolution.com. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices