Podcast appearances and mentions of Lee Jenkins

What if more quizzes created more joy—not stress? Lee Jenkins shows host Andrew Stotz how Deming-inspired practices like random-concept quizzes, student-led charts, and "all-time best" celebrations turn classrooms into true learning systems that build confidence, motivation, and real understanding. A simple shift in method—massive shift in joy. (View the powerpoint referenced in the podcast.) TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.2 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz and I'll be your host as we dive deeper into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm talking with Lee Jenkins, who is a career educator in public schools, completing his full-time work as a school district superintendent. During that work, he was introduced to the teachings of Dr. Deming and has been applying those teachings to his life and work since. In his business, Crazy Simple Education, he helps people apply Dr. Deming's principles in their schools to bring joy back to learning, to help kids learn more. The topic for today is how educators have applied Dr. Deming's ideas to learning. Lee, take it away.   0:00:42.8 Lee Jenkins: Thank you so much, Andrew. It's amazing what Dr. Deming taught in five minutes. I've been able to teach that for over 20 years. It's just amazing. And then you see in the next slide, it was Lou Rhodes. And this is just a short little review of what we did on the first podcast. But he's the one that said, I think you're going to enjoy this. Little did he know how much I was going to enjoy that in 1990 when he said that. And then in 1992, heard Dr. Deming in person as the statistician. And he described in five minutes just a little touch of what was different about a classroom as opposed to all the other systems that he was teaching. And so over time, you're going to see how it's been implemented with great joy with so many people. He taught that education should have a learning system instead of an inspection system. And that's what we have, is an inspection system. The state departments of education inspect the schools and the teachers inspect the kids. We don't have a learning system. So if you think about that distinction, it's truly a learning system. And you're going to see that as we go through this today.   0:01:51.2 Andrew Stotz: Lee, I was just... After listening to you in the last episode and listening to some of our other great guests on the show, I talked to my students about this. And one of my students, after I went through it and talked about the random sampling as an example of questions to understand the level of knowledge that students as a group are getting, one of my students at this prestigious university I teach at in Thailand said, "So why are you grading us? "   0:02:26.1 Lee Jenkins: Yes. Yes. That's it.   0:02:27.4 Andrew Stotz: And I said... Lee, I need help. I gave my best answer and that is, "I decided that right now, the fight with the university to change the way it's done is not a fight I'm prepared to take. But what I'm going to do is try to deliver the best experience I can in the room." Now, that was a bit of a cop out, but that's part of... People who are listening and viewing this are also caught in a system, in a trap, an inspection system. So it's just great to hear you talk about this and it can help us think about how we can handle it.   0:03:09.9 Lee Jenkins: People say that education hasn't been improved for 50 years. Then think about it. We've had an inspection system for 50 years. Maybe that's the problem, right? So here's what Dr. Deming taught. Tell them what you want them to know first week of school. Here it is. You're going to give them a weekly quiz. The quiz is going to be the square root of the total number of concepts you want them to learn. So a teacher teaching a second language, 400 vocabulary words, they had 20 words a week at random out of the 400. It's simple, but it's crazy that you don't... People say, "How can you assess them on something you haven't taught yet? " You can, if you have a learning system. And then he said to build a scatter diagram and a class run chart. And let's look at those two just to review. The scatter diagram, and if you can't see this, it's just across the x-axis on the bottom. It says 1 to 14, which is for half a year. The y-axis goes from 0 to 10 because there are 10 questions every week in this classroom. And we have a dot by how many kids got 0 right, how many kids got 1 right, how many kids got 2 right. And if you look at over a semester, you can see all the dots moving from the lower left corner up to the upper right corner. So that's the scatter diagram.   0:04:29.7 Andrew Stotz: That's all the students in the class. That's not one individual student.   0:04:33.0 Lee Jenkins: That's not one student. It's the whole class because you're the manager of the learning of a classroom. He taught that. And then he said graph the total correct for the whole classroom.   0:04:46.6 Andrew Stotz: So you just did what he said.   0:04:49.8 Lee Jenkins: Yeah, add it up. It is simple and it is crazy. I mean, all the coaches who are listening to this know when you go to a game, you add up the total for every athlete. You add it up to get a total for the team. Then that same coach is in the classroom on Monday and they never think about that this is a team of learners. It's the same thing. Add it up. And they love it. And they help each other and they contribute and they celebrate when a struggling student helps the class out as much as a student that's advanced.   0:05:24.2 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. I mean we're social creatures, right? We want to be part of a group. We want to contribute. It's just such a clear principle.   0:05:35.0 Lee Jenkins: Yeah, it's simple. So then here's the expansion. Here's different things that happened over time with the process, and we'll share those with you. One was people said, well, ya know, my problem is not... It's partly they don't remember what I'm teaching well enough, but they clearly don't remember the prior courses. So this is a high school math teacher teaching geometry, and so she has half of her questions are coming from geometry because they're teaching geometry. But the other half of the questions come from the four courses they had in math prior because she knows they don't remember it. And then there's a secondary science department. The same thing. They said half of our questions for every quiz have to be from the prior courses, not just the current one. Because students think...   0:06:29.6 Andrew Stotz: Wow! That's fascinating. And before you go for that, so let's look at geometry. You've got these buckets. Before geometry is algebra two, and before that is algebra one, and before that's pre-algebra, and before that is math seven. I remember my pre-algebra class at school with Dr...Mr. Tyler. He was the football coach, and that guy was a slave driver. Even if you got the question wrong, if you structured your answering process right, you would get half points.   0:06:58.9 Lee Jenkins: Oh, okay. Yes.   0:06:59.6 Andrew Stotz: He helped me learn the structure and the order of solving algebra problems, but if I didn't do that well or I didn't have him as a teacher, I could end up in geometry not actually knowing that. But what the heck is this geometry teacher supposed to do if they find out that the class doesn't really understand some of the prior core principles?   0:07:21.7 Lee Jenkins: Well, they, obviously, they need to teach it, and so part of it they do. The other part of it is the kids don't want to forget the prior courses. If you just throw all these into a bucket and they don't say where it's from, they don't... Well, okay, I missed a question. But when you say, you're in 11th grade in geometry, and you missed the 7th grade question, they don't like that. So it builds, it's a visual. It's right in front of the room every day. They can see, I need to know all of this. And the science teacher is the same thing. The kids say, I'm in chemistry now. I don't need biology. Why do I need that? Until you see it right there in front of you every day, and you think, oh, I'm supposed to learn this.   0:08:12.9 Andrew Stotz: Gosh, it just brings me back to when I was in high school, and I really got frustrated because the pace was really fast, and I felt like I didn't fully understand the prior material, and now I'm on to the next. And that was, and I felt like I was building on a shaky foundation, and this is a part of addressing that.   0:08:33.7 Lee Jenkins: It is, absolutely. So that's one of the changes that was made. Teachers took and expanded that to the whole curriculum as opposed to only the course they're teaching.   0:08:43.0 Andrew Stotz: And just to think about that, is that in order to truly do that, you really want to have the math, the pre-algebra, the algebra, the algebra 2, and the geometry teachers all working on the same playbook.   0:08:56.2 Lee Jenkins: Yes, yes. And when we do make those lists for each class, there's no duplicates.   0:09:02.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:09:04.3 Lee Jenkins: I mean, like with the science, I remember the biology teacher saying to the chemistry teacher, "You teach that? I teach that also." And they'd been teaching next door to each other for 10 years and didn't know it. So they have to say, who owns that one? So it's all a system that's tightly designed.   0:09:25.1 Andrew Stotz: And in the academic world of universities where I've taught, there's this thing that they want to give you independence to teach what you want in the way you want. I don't know about what's happening in schools these days, but is the curriculum pretty much set and therefore the teacher can't veer from that and therefore this would not be a problem? Or is it that, hey, every teacher's doing something different and it doesn't all work together?   0:09:53.6 Lee Jenkins: Right. What's the "what." The essential "what", needs to be agreed upon no matter who's teaching it. Now, on these lists, we don't put trivia. And trivia should be in the classroom. It's fun. It's interesting, but they're not accountable for it.   0:10:11.3 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:10:11.7 Lee Jenkins: So it's what's essential for the kids to know. And the teachers, when they have time, the principal sets aside a day and said, okay, science department, get together, get this listed, what you want. They like that discussion and the agreement of what's expected.   0:10:30.1 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:10:31.8 Lee Jenkins: The next thing that was added, Dr. Deming did not talk about students graphing their individual progress. So this is a student run chart, not a class run chart. So you can see...   0:10:46.3 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, that's interesting. Before you even go into that, it makes me think about the factory. It was kind of accepted that the statistics guys would kind of run the run charts and management would look at it. It would be public, it wasn't hidden. But the idea of really bringing the accountability to the people on the production line is what this reminds me of.   0:11:10.0 Lee Jenkins: It's exactly the same, and the kids like making the graphs. When you see, this is a younger child, but it's done by a high school child, not all of them, but some of them, but who like to doodle, they become very, it's kind of pieces of art, but they own it. They own that learning. They can see how they're doing, and they're so happy when it goes up, but it goes down at times. Why does it go down? They went down because bad luck, because it's random. Sometimes you choose the hard ones, but overall, you see a progress of going up and up and up, and so that's why it's not an inspection chart. It's a learning chart. It's showing a picture of my learning.   0:11:58.8 Andrew Stotz: And just to be clear, the first two charts we saw were looking at the overall classroom, but now the chart you're showing is one student mapping their progress throughout the quizzes.   0:12:11.7 Lee Jenkins: Yes, every student does their own, and if the teacher is scoring the papers to give them back to them, the results, they have to change, a slight change, instead of putting how many, they put a plus at how many correct, because you're graphing the number correct.   0:12:30.6 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:12:32.8 Lee Jenkins: And then another thing is kind of a celebration, a thank you, when students do better than ever before. So if a student had two right and then three right, and then they finally had five right, they never had five right all year long, they do something for the kid quickly to just say, yay, this child went and hit the gong. Just means I did more than, got more right than ever before. So what's the power of that? Dr. Deming wants every student to win. And I've been in classrooms six weeks after school started, maybe four or five in that time, and say, "Is there anybody in here who hasn't had a personal best? " I've never had a hand go up. They all have by then. Now, so you can be a struggling student, you can be an advanced student, but they all have a record of doing better than ever before, and we have ways of celebrating that.   0:13:32.4 Andrew Stotz: And that also is the idea of the objective really here is to improve ourselves relative to our prior selves.   0:13:43.7 Lee Jenkins: Yes, you're in competition with your prior self, that's it, yes. And I would say it's even 1% of the time that I saw somebody twist that and make it into a bribe. It's not a bribe, it's a thank you. I'm so proud of you, it's a thank you. It's a completely different mindset. They want to do that. And if we look at the next one...   0:14:09.8 Andrew Stotz: And just to understand this one last thing is that, are you saying that in a classroom when a student hits an all-time high, they go up and bang the gong or the teacher bangs it or what?   0:14:19.3 Lee Jenkins: No, the kid does it, the kid does it. Or whatever's done. One, you know that in sports where they make a tunnel and the athletes run through that tunnel of other athletes. There was a classroom that did that. The kids made a tunnel and the ones who had an all-time best that week ran through the tunnel. Okay? And there's...   0:14:41.0 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. And you could do simple things. You could also just say, if you did an all-time best, stand up.   0:14:46.6 Lee Jenkins: Yeah, it could be... But we try to make it something fun.   0:14:51.3 Andrew Stotz: Yep, yep.   0:14:52.3 Lee Jenkins: Something that's enjoyable for them. And it depends on the age. Here's one, another classroom, they wrote their name on a shape when they had a personal best. If you go to the next slide.   0:15:05.4 Andrew Stotz: Okay.   0:15:05.8 Lee Jenkins: You will see there's a collection of probably 200 shapes. With individual kids, they wrote their name on it when they had a personal best. And see, it's everybody. And it's a graphic in the hallway that lets all the other classrooms see, look how much we're learning.   0:15:29.9 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:15:30.3 Lee Jenkins: Because every time you have a personal best, you put your name. This happens to be a star instead of a feather, but they put it up there.   0:15:36.7 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:15:39.1 Lee Jenkins: And then here's a middle school. When they have a personal best, they write their name on the whiteboard. And the kids have made kind of a Scrabble out of it, a crossword puzzle, where they can use the letters from somebody else's name to make their name. They love it. And they particularly like it because their friends who happen to be in that classroom but a different period, when they come in, they see their friends' names. Again, it's everybody. It's simple. Write your name on the whiteboard when you have a personal best. And then this is a high school. They had the game Kerplunk. And if anybody's not seen that, it's a cylinder. And it has holes. About halfway up it has a bunch of holes. And you put straws through the holes. And then you put marbles on top. When a kid has a personal best, they pull a straw out. When you pull enough straws out that all the marbles on top come crashing down, that's why they call it Kerplunk. And then the class does something for a couple minutes of fun. But it's everybody.   0:16:49.0 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:16:49.8 Lee Jenkins: Then here is, they added the word all-time best. That was an addition.   0:16:57.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:16:58.1 Lee Jenkins: And this is a class run chart, like I showed you last time, where you add up the total for the whole class. But when the class has more correct than ever before, it's an all-time best. We use that word for kids also, and you'll see in school that the initials ATB are very common in the schools.   0:17:22.1 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:17:23.3 Lee Jenkins: It's one of the most common things. And you can't see it, but I'm looking at this when they had 28 quizzes in the year, and there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight times during the year out of 28 that the class had an all-time best. Also, if you look at the x-axis, it's 28. Dr. Deming said every week, and it was changed to 28 instead of every week.   0:18:03.6 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:18:03.9 Lee Jenkins: That was a huge deal for me because I knew that every week was too much. There's snow days. There's things that happen, and you just... In the schools, it's too much going on for it to be every week. But I also knew that every other week's not enough. Not for kids to really prove that they're learning. Plus, they like them. They want...   0:18:29.6 Andrew Stotz: So, what does the 28 mean? Why 28?   0:18:33.5 Lee Jenkins: It's seven times a quarter instead of nine times a quarter. That's why.   0:18:37.1 Andrew Stotz: Okay.   0:18:38.3 Lee Jenkins: So, out of a quarter, two times they didn't. And actually, the complaint the kids had was, why aren't we doing one this week? And so, in a sub-sense, it's only for the teacher to just kind of a sense of... It just eases up a little bit. For the teacher, not for the kids.   0:18:55.8 Andrew Stotz: So, in other words, rather than strictly tying it to a week, you tie it to the number of quizzes that you're going to do, and then you manage that.   0:19:08.6 Lee Jenkins: Yeah, and I've never heard anybody say they couldn't get the 28 in. It's reasonable.   0:19:12.5 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:19:13.1 Lee Jenkins: Yeah. It's a reasonable...   0:19:16.3 Andrew Stotz: Just for people that don't recall, like myself, I can't even remember what numbers of days in the classroom and numbers of weeks in a class and stuff like that, can you just remind me what that is?   0:19:29.6 Lee Jenkins: Okay, in a year, the school is divided into quarters, and there's 36 weeks in the year. So, there's nine weeks per quarter, and we're quizzing seven of those nine weeks.   0:19:42.8 Andrew Stotz: Perfect, okay, got it. Okay.   0:19:46.5 Lee Jenkins: Now, here is something else that has been added, and it is the goal. And so, Dr. Deming talks against numerical goals, and we agree with that. That goal is not an artificial number. It's the best from the prior year. So, it's a real number. So, the students are trying to outperform the prior years.   0:20:18.6 Andrew Stotz: So, this is the best that the system could produce in the past period?   0:20:23.8 Lee Jenkins: Yeah, are we smarter than the kids that you had the last several years? Are we smarter...   0:20:29.5 Andrew Stotz: Am I teaching better? Are you learning better?   0:20:33.5 Lee Jenkins: No, it's a challenge. It's a challenge, and they are so excited when they do better than the prior years. So, how did they get so high up there? Part of it is because there are kids who get, on the quizzes, they get perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect, and it's kind of boring for them. And so, we've come up with... When you get them all right seven times, it could be five, it could be six, we've usually gone with seven, then you don't take the quiz anymore in the room because you've proven you know it. And then we give you a harder one.   0:21:17.0 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:21:18.3 Lee Jenkins: The class gets credit for the quiz you didn't take, plus how many you get on the next one. So, that helps it to go on up because you've got kids that are, the word we're using is they test out. They've proven they know it.   0:21:34.9 Andrew Stotz: Yep. Yep.   0:21:36.5 Lee Jenkins: We use the, when I talk with the teachers, the flip of the coin statistics. If a kid gets a perfect score, you have a 50% chance they're lucky, and a 50% chance they know all the content for the year.   0:21:49.7 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:21:49.9 Lee Jenkins: You don't know what it is. After seven times, you're up to 99% sure they really do know all of it.   0:21:56.3 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:21:57.1 Lee Jenkins: Yeah. Oh, this day, this is a run chart from a middle school, and they had one more right than ever before. They are beyond happy. And you will see kids in the rooms doing a chest bump.   0:22:20.2 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:22:20.4 Lee Jenkins: A kid that's struggling, and says, it was me. I'm the one that put us over the top. If it hadn't been for my two questions right, we wouldn't all be celebrating. And of course, if you don't count it, you'd never know as a student or a teacher that you had your best. Nobody'd never know.   0:22:43.3 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. Yep.   0:22:44.0 Lee Jenkins: Count it out and graph it. Oh, they're so happy.   0:22:48.2 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:22:48.5 Lee Jenkins: So that... And then here is a run chart by grade level. This is 16 classrooms together.   0:23:01.5 Andrew Stotz: What does that mean, 16 classrooms?   0:23:03.9 Lee Jenkins: There's four science classes, four English, four math, and four history. And we took all of those questions right from 16 rooms and calculated a percent correct.   0:23:19.2 Andrew Stotz: So in other words, how we're learning as a school or how we're learning all the subjects, how would you describe that?   0:23:25.9 Lee Jenkins: This was grade seven.   0:23:28.3 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:23:28.9 Lee Jenkins: This was for the grade seven teachers. They wanted to have a total for their grade level.   0:23:35.5 Andrew Stotz: And so it starts off on quiz number one, that students got 16% correct. That's quiz number one.   0:23:46.7 Lee Jenkins: Right.   0:23:46.9 Andrew Stotz: Or quizzes number one.   0:23:50.7 Lee Jenkins: For quiz number one. Right. You can't say week one, it's quiz one.   0:23:53.2 Andrew Stotz: Yep, yep. Sorry.   0:23:53.8 Lee Jenkins: And this is for first semester, because there's 14 right there.   0:24:00.4 Andrew Stotz: Yep, yep. And then by the time they get to quiz number 13, that's, or quiz number 13 for all four subjects brought together into one measure, they're at, say, they've gone from 16 to 55.   0:24:14.5 Lee Jenkins: Yes. So you can say that at halfway through the year, the seventh grade class, 16 classrooms, but seventh graders know half of the content. And you know it's in their long-term memory. They couldn't study the night before.   0:24:31.9 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:24:31.8 Lee Jenkins: Because you don't know what's going to be chosen at random. They know half of the content.   0:24:37.8 Andrew Stotz: And interesting that we see kind of a linear rise. I wonder if there's an exponential rise towards the end as the students get totally pumped up and into it and they're learning more.   0:24:47.8 Lee Jenkins: They are. They want to get as close as they can. It won't land on 100%.   0:24:54.0 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:24:55.0 Lee Jenkins: Somebody's going to miss something, but it gets really close.   0:24:57.7 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:25:01.3 Lee Jenkins: Now here's something else we've added. Because Dr. Deming talked about the classroom, this is a whole school. And they're all taking a math quiz. It's an elementary from kindergarten through fifth grade. On Thursday afternoon, the teachers go in to their computer on a Google Doc and they put in how many questions their classroom got right on the quiz that week. It's all set up in advance and there's a total. And then on Friday, the principal announces if they had an all school time best, all-time best for the school. And you can see...   0:25:45.8 Andrew Stotz: And the number here is 3878 I see in quiz number 28. Is that the total number of correct answers out of accumulating all the different quizzes of quiz number 8, all the different classes that do quiz number 28?   0:26:00.4 Lee Jenkins: Yes. On quiz 28, they answered 3,878 math questions correct.   0:26:06.2 Andrew Stotz: And somebody could look at this and say, "Oh, come on, kids are just going to game this, right? It's just quiz questions and all that." Now, I think I understand why that's not going to be the case. But how would you explain to somebody that says that?   0:26:21.4 Lee Jenkins: Hey, as the kids get older... Let's go back. This is math.   0:26:28.0 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:26:28.5 Lee Jenkins: So the concepts are the same, but the questions are different. So they can't game it. And other subjects where it's not math, teachers tell me that three different questions per concept is enough and they don't game it. They can't. But if you only had for every question for the year, I mean, for every concept, if you only had one question, they would game it. They just remember the answer to the question.   0:26:58.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:26:58.9 Lee Jenkins: Yeah. As they get older.   0:27:00.7 Andrew Stotz: And what would you say to some people that may look at that and say, "Oh, you're just teaching to the quiz or teaching to the exam? "   0:27:13.3 Lee Jenkins: Well, we're saying, here's what you're going to learn this year. University professors give out syllabuses. A syllabus is what you're going to teach, which is different from stating this is what the kids are going to learn. And so when you list what you want them to learn, this is evidence they learned it. Now, yes, we're teaching to what we said we want them to know. It didn't come... When you teach to the test, that often means that somebody else made up the test that I've got to teach to that test they made up because there's high stakes.   0:27:55.3 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:27:55.6 Lee Jenkins: But when we as faculty say what we want the kids to know, we're not teaching to the test, we're teaching to what we said we want them to know.   0:28:05.5 Andrew Stotz: Yep. Yep. And then the other thing I would say is when you get students so deeply involved in the whole process, ultimately young kids actually are not going to necessarily celebrate cheating.   0:28:22.8 Lee Jenkins: No, no, they're not.   0:28:25.5 Andrew Stotz: They understand right and wrong. They haven't gotten to the level where adults are, where we put a lot of gray area between right and wrong and politicians will lie about this and that to get in office or get money or whatever.   0:28:37.4 Lee Jenkins: Let me tell you a story about the cheating. There were three fourth grades in a row in a school. And in the middle between the other two fourth grades, they did cheat early in the year. They got a very high score. Then the teacher found out how they cheated and stopped it so they couldn't do it anymore. But they couldn't get classroom best because they had an artificial high score. So they're saying to her, "We cheated teacher, take it away that score that we cheated." She says, "No, you cheated." It took them till November before they could have a classroom best.   0:29:16.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:29:17.4 Lee Jenkins: So they paid a price for it. Now, people have fun with random. This is out of the state of Delaware. It looks like a skeleton from Halloween and they spray painted lima beans, put them inside the skull, wrote numerals on them and you draw the numerals out and that's the concept you're going to quiz. So there's been fun with how you do random, fun with how we celebrate.   0:29:55.0 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:29:55.2 Lee Jenkins: Fun with making the graph pretty with I get to put Google... I mean, I get to scribble on it and do different things that make it pretty. Yeah. And here is a... There is a styrofoam nose. I'd say it's a meter tall styrofoam nose. And the teacher had slips of paper with the concepts on them. And an eighth grader said, that is boring. Brought in a styrofoam nose and you put the slips up the nostril and that's where you pull out...   0:30:26.2 Andrew Stotz: Only kids are going to come up with that.   0:30:28.1 Lee Jenkins: Yes, I know. And this is a history teacher, world history. She has 65 concepts are going to learn during the year. She gave them the list, put the 65 on a tongue depressor, put them in a bucket. She pulls eight out each week and the kids have to put the eight in chronological order from memory.   0:30:52.3 Andrew Stotz: Right. That's interesting.   0:30:53.5 Lee Jenkins: But they can't do it in the beginning.   0:30:55.1 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:30:56.0 Lee Jenkins: But by the end of the year, you want every kid to be able to pull any eight you pull out and put them in chronological order, not because they know dates, but because they know history.   0:31:06.2 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. Yep.   0:31:10.1 Lee Jenkins: And then here from Saskatchewan is a teacher who hyperlinked the periodic table. It's up on the whiteboard. So in the bucket are the names of elements. So if a student pulls out the word potassium, they go up to the whiteboard and they click on the letter K. It's hyperlinked. When they click on it, up comes a question about biology. The question has nothing to do with potassium.   0:31:42.6 Andrew Stotz: Oh!   0:31:44.4 Lee Jenkins: It's just a clever way to do random.   0:31:48.6 Andrew Stotz: Yep. Yep.   0:31:50.1 Lee Jenkins: Okay. And then we celebrate as a whole class. This is a class that's celebrating doing the wave. They've been to athletic events. They've seen people do the wave at athletic events. When the class has an all-time best as a class, they do something quick to celebrate. They're doing the wave. This classroom, they have a spinner. And the kids chose 10 ways they wanted to celebrate. I said, "What's your favorite? " And they said, "Hamster ball." I said, "What's a hamster ball? " They said, "We've got a hamster in the room. We put it in a hamster ball, put it in the middle of the room and watch where it goes."   0:32:32.7 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:32:34.4 Lee Jenkins: Fun. This is the whole school again. Just celebrating. One principal, when the school had an all-time best, somebody came in and cut his tie off. And he had dads giving him all their old ties to cut off. Yeah. And then they like to do item analysis. That's kids doing that.   0:32:59.0 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:33:00.1 Lee Jenkins: They like to tell you what it is we most need help with.   0:33:04.2 Andrew Stotz: So this is looking at errors to say what we're struggling with. What does that mean?   0:33:07.7 Lee Jenkins: Yeah, here's the most room, most missed item in the whole room, all the way to the right, the item that nobody in the room missed it.   0:33:15.8 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, like allusion. I'd miss that too.   0:33:21.1 Lee Jenkins: And then we made histograms. So it's taking the data from the scattered diagram and putting a different one together for each week. So the kids see an L-shaped curve in the beginning, a bell curve in the middle of the year, and a J-shape at the end of the year. And this was taken because they were so excited that they could see the J finally. They knew the J was coming, and there it was.   0:33:47.8 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:33:49.7 Lee Jenkins: Yeah. And then we used the information from the scatter diagram to calculate effect size and to see what's the effect of all of this compared to all the other things in the world that have been done. And we got six times the average of the effect size research from John Hattie. If you don't cram and forget, you actually just remember, of course, it's a lot higher. Duh, of course.   0:34:15.5 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:34:18.0 Lee Jenkins: And we did the scatter diagram that I showed earlier, we mentioned earlier, that's what we use. And when John Hattie saw the scatter diagram, he said, "That's what you need for effect size."   0:34:29.6 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:34:30.3 Lee Jenkins: Because effect size is you increase the mean and you reduce the variation. I've been talking a lot about knowledge. I haven't been talking about skills. The same process works for skills. And this is the dichotomous rubric. It's on my website. It's blank. It's free. And we use the dichotomous rubric to measure skills.   0:34:53.4 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:34:56.6 Lee Jenkins: So this is my pastor. It was, school was starting, he called two kids up on the platform and he said, "What are you excited about school? School started. What are you excited about? " The girl says, "See my friends." And the boy said, "Quizzes."   0:35:09.3 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, making my charts, seeing the quiz, watching the progress.   0:35:13.3 Lee Jenkins: It's hard to believe, but that's exactly what happens. And there's the Jenkins curve, which is the loss of enthusiasm year by year through the grades. I would have never done this without Deming because he talked about graphs have to be long and skinny.   0:35:29.3 Andrew Stotz: Man, we just grind down the kids in a normal situation.   0:35:32.9 Lee Jenkins: Just grind them down.   0:35:34.4 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:35:34.7 Lee Jenkins: Every year, fewer and fewer kids love school.   0:35:37.3 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:35:39.9 Lee Jenkins: So podcast number three, when it comes up, will be the future. What can we do because of all this that we haven't done before? It'll be fun.   0:35:51.2 Andrew Stotz: Wow! That is a lot of stuff. If you were to take all that we just went through, which was really fun and exciting, what would be the one takeaway you want people to get from that?   0:36:04.2 Lee Jenkins: The takeaway is that we can keep the intrinsic motivation alive that children were born with. And when we keep it alive, the complaint in the staff room will be, I can't keep up with all these things that these kids want to learn.   0:36:22.3 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:36:23.7 Lee Jenkins: Instead of complaining that they won't sit still, they won't do the work, we'd be saying, "I can't keep up. They want to learn so much. I'm overloaded with what they want to know."   0:36:32.7 Andrew Stotz: And the end result is they become lifelong learners.   0:36:38.0 Lee Jenkins: Yes, absolutely. Yeah.   0:36:38.2 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:36:38.9 Lee Jenkins: Yeah.   0:36:39.2 Andrew Stotz: I'm going to wrap it up there. And Lee, on behalf of everyone at the Deming Institute, I want to thank you again for this discussion. It was fascinating and it was fun. So for listeners, remember to go to Deming.org to continue your journey. And this is your host, Andrew Stotz, and I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes from Dr. Deming that ties directly in to what we've been talking about, and that is, people are entitled to joy in work. And I'm going to add in, learning.

What if learning could feel like a team sport instead of a pressure test? Lyle "Lee" Jenkins, PhD., a longtime educator, shares how a chance encounter led him to a Deming conference specifically for educators in 1992, which transformed his thinking. Deming emphasized defining learning outcomes, rejecting numerical goals, and avoiding ranking. Lee explains how Deming methods prevent “cram and forget”, celebrate small wins, and rekindle students' natural love of learning. (Lee shared a powerpoint during the episode, which you can find on our website.) TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.3 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today I'm talking with Lee Jenkins, who is a career educator in public school, ending his career as a school district superintendent. It was as a superintendent that he was introduced to the teachings of Dr. Deming, and he has been applying it to his life and work since then. In his business, Crazy Simple Education, he publishes books and schedules speaking engagements. Lee, how you doing?   0:00:38.4 Lee Jenkins: I am doing just great, Andrew. Yeah, this has been fun to put together. And just to highlight, I haven't done this before, just to highlight just simply what Deming taught. We've obviously, over the years added other things, but today we're just talking about what did he teach, just the pure form of it and our implementation of that.   0:01:01.6 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. And I think you and I have already met once and gone through this. It's pretty interesting, you know, I think what I enjoyed about our discussion, truthfully, what I liked, was your energy and the energy about the teachings of Deming and how we can apply that. And so I'm looking forward to seeing you bring that to the audience. Now, for those that are listening, we're going to have... Lee's got a PowerPoint and a presentation he's going to share, but we'll walk you through it. It's not like it's full of very complicated things. So, Lee, why don't you take us through a little bit about what you've prepared here?   0:01:38.3 Lee Jenkins: Okay, I can do that, Andrew. I was like anybody else as a school superintendent. I went to a meeting of the Association of School Administrators. I can't even tell you what city or state it was in, but I was there. And while I was in the hallway between sessions, Lew Rhodes, who worked for AASA, he came up and he said, "Lee, I think you'll enjoy this next session." And that's why I've called this, One-Minute Invite That Changed My Life. So I went in and no idea, I just liked Lew. I trusted him. And it was David Langford's an administrator. And that's how I was introduced to Deming and spent a lot of time after that, reading everything I could get my hands on and absorbed it. And I knew that he was correct in how organizations are operating. And so that intrigued me a great deal. But it was the same information that he shared with all organizations. I just took them and applied them to education. But then two years later, in 1992, American Association of School Administrators, under... With Lew Rhodes' leadership, sponsored a Deming conference. So I went to Washington, DC in January that year to hear him speak.   0:03:20.2 Lee Jenkins: We were there four days. He was assisted and was a part of it for two days. And for two days it was him on stage, the red beads, you know, all the things that listeners know about with Dr. Deming. And I would say that the first part of it was the things you would normally expect to hear. Now, understand, the audience here was educators. And I know there were educators sprinkled in his audiences in his whole speaking career. I know that. I wasn't one of them, but I know that. This was one that was specifically for educators. And nobody's told me any other time when he spoke to educators as the audience. So, but just things he'd say that we've all heard.   0:04:13.7 Lee Jenkins: Best efforts are not enough, you have to have knowledge, you have to have theory. He said too, you can't delegate quality. And I had school superintendents doing that all the time. You ask them about, anything about teaching or learning, they say, oh, no, I'm not involved in teaching and learning. I have an assistant superintendent for instruction. In other words, they've delegated quality. Deming talked about wasting time and wasting money in all organizations, and certainly schools are good at that. I'm going to talk at the end of this, how I took it onto one other point which is similar to what he's talked about also. The losses of the current system. He said in one place that, for 50 years... Now, he said this in the '90s, but for 50 years, America has been asking for better education without a definition of what better education is. And...   0:05:10.5 Andrew Stotz: That reminds me of talking to Bill Scherkenbach, who showed a picture of him, Dr. Deming, in the old days at an event of national teachers, and he said they really couldn't come up with a conclusion about what was the aim. [laughter]   0:05:25.9 Lee Jenkins: Yes, right. It's... Yeah, okay. And then he described fear, brings about wrong figures. So what did our government do? No Child Left Behind, which says, you increase your reading scores or your math scores or we're going to fire you. Well, then you get wrong numbers. That's what he predicted, that numerical goals are a failure. I had a discussion with a pastor several years ago and he said, "Our goal is to have 2,000 people in attendance on Easter Sunday." I said, "Okay, what's the best we've had so far?" "It was around 1800." "Okay, what happens if we have 1900 on Easter Sunday, the best ever? What do we do?" Well, it kind of caused him to think, which is my purpose. It wasn't to be critical, it was to get him to think. You could do your best ever but call yourself a failure because you didn't meet this artificial number. And I can hear Deming talking about just pulling the number out of the air. And that ranking is a failure. We rank and rank and rank in schools. I've got a granddaughter in first grade. School has just started. She's student of the month in her class, which means there's 19 failures of the month. I mean, Deming, it's just sad to see that it's still going on. But then Dr. Deming, I don't think it was in... It wasn't in his PowerPoint. Not even a PowerPoint. We had transparencies.   0:07:12.0 Andrew Stotz: Acetates.   0:07:12.6 Lee Jenkins: It wasn't in his transparencies. It wasn't in the handouts. But it's like he went on this little tangent and that's what has captivated my career, his tangent. And it was Dr. Deming, the statistician, talking about the classroom. So I'm going to go through what he said, just as he said, point by point. He said, number one, tell the students what they will learn this year. Now, when I share this with people, they say, oh, yeah, our college professors had syllabuses. I said, no, no, a syllabus is what the professor is going to teach. Dr. Deming talked about, what are they going to learn? They're two different things. What are you going to learn? And you give it to them. And we've done this pre-K, kindergarten all the way to grade 12 and a little bit of work at universities.   0:08:14.6 Andrew Stotz: And how detailed do you go on that? I see you're showing concept one to concept 19. Is it, you know, this is everything you're going to learn, or this is generally what you're going to learn?   0:08:26.5 Lee Jenkins: Well, this is a partial list. So it's the essential.   0:08:31.6 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:08:32.6 Lee Jenkins: I tell people, put down what's essential. Do not put trivia on the list. Now, of course you teach trivia. It's interesting, it's fun, but they're not accountable for it. And so it's what students have been asking for for years. What am I supposed to learn this year? I don't know how to study for the exam. I don't know what's important. I was at a... Doing a seminar for teachers in Missouri. And I said, "I wasn't a good test taker in college. Were some of you?" And a lady raised her hand and said, "Oh yeah, I was really good at it." I said, "How did it work?" She said, "Well, I was in a study committee and by design, half of our time was sharing our insights as we psyched out the professor. And then once we agreed on what was important and the personality of that professor, then we studied that." That's nonsense. Here's Dr. Deming saying, just tell them what you want them to learn, it's so simple.   0:09:47.0 Andrew Stotz: In the world of teaching, we often talk about learning outcome statements at the beginning of a lecture.   0:09:55.6 Lee Jenkins: Yeah.   0:09:56.5 Andrew Stotz: And I know, for instance, with CFA for Chartered Financial Analysts, they have very clear learning outcome statements and then they have a whole section that they teach and it's self study. And then you take an exam. Is that... Is learning outcome statement the same thing or is this something different?   0:10:13.0 Lee Jenkins: I would say it's the same. It's very, very close. It's same in general terms. Exactly. We're not talking about how it's going to be taught, only that it's going to be learned. Okay, the next thing Dr. Deming said to do... And by the way, before we leave, make sure this is a partial list. If I put the whole year's list on there, it's so small nobody could read it on the screen. Okay, next he said, give the students an exam every week on a random sample from the whole course. Said if, for example, you had a 100 concepts on your list, they would take a quiz on 10 of them each week, randomly selected.   0:11:02.6 Andrew Stotz: This is so mind blowing. Go ahead, keep going.   0:11:07.7 Lee Jenkins: Yes, because... So what do we do now in schools? We do cram, get a grade, forget. That's the most common thing in American education. Cram, get a grade, forget. Have a friend in college. He said, "Lee, I've looked at your website. I have a little bit of an idea of what you do. You don't know this about me, but I never studied the night before an exam in college, ever." "Oh, really? What'd you do, Larry?" He said, "Well, I set the alarm for 4 o'clock in the morning. I studied the morning before the exam." I said, "Why is that?" "I couldn't remember it overnight. So I did well in college. I got the grades on the exam and by noon it was gone. But I got through. That was my system." I was at my annual dermatology exam and the medical doctor said, "What do you do?"   0:12:20.7 Lee Jenkins: I said, "Well, actually I get on airplanes and I give speeches." "Ah, who do you give them to?" "Well, teachers and administrators." "But what do you tell them?" "I tell them how to set up a system where it's impossible to cram and forget, you just have to learn." She said, "Oh, that's interesting. That's what I did all the way through medical school." And I'm thinking, here I am with somebody who crammed and forgot all the way through. So I checked with an MD on my next plane flight who I happened to be sitting next to one. I told him the story. He said, "Yeah, that's how it works." I said, "Well, when do you learn?" "Residency." So Dr. Deming didn't talk about cram, forget. But the side effect was, when the students don't know what's coming on the Friday exam, they'll say to me, I just have to learn. There's no other choice. You just have to learn.   0:13:25.8 Andrew Stotz: Right. And then you talk about the... You're talking about the random sample size is roughly the square root of total concept list. I'm thinking about a 15 hour course that I teach and there's 25 concepts that I'm teaching. So a random sample would be 5 of those 25, give them that test. And then the idea here is that we're testing their understanding of that material. And in the beginning, let's just say that random, in the beginning, I haven't taught anything. So they have five questions and on average, let's say they get one right in the beginning because...   0:14:05.2 Lee Jenkins: You'd be lucky if you got an average of one. Yes.   0:14:07.8 Andrew Stotz: So we have evidence that they don't know the topic.   0:14:10.9 Lee Jenkins: Right.   0:14:11.6 Andrew Stotz: And then as we... Let's say we have five weeks and each week we go through, then in theory, if we've taught right and they've learned right, that they would be able to answer all five of those randomly selected questions on the fifth week?   0:14:29.3 Lee Jenkins: That's what you're after. You want them to not have to study, but whatever five is pulled out, they would get it. And if you're teaching a five week course, you might give 10 quizzes during the time, one at the beginning and one at the end of each class. So that because the random, you want them to have questions come up more than once, you want them to have the same question come up. Because that's part of the joy. Oh, we've had that, it's been taught or I've seen that before and it's not 25 questions, it's 25 concepts. Because you can ask it a multitude of different ways to see if they have the concept.   0:15:09.3 Andrew Stotz: And for teachers nowadays, or administrators, they're going to say, what's the point of giving quizzes for topics you haven't taught?   0:15:22.7 Lee Jenkins: That is the most common thing I've been told. Okay. And teachers who have done this for a number of years, sometimes 10, they will say that is the most powerful part of the whole process. Think of it as the synonym for what Dr. Deming taught as review preview. People are used to previews of movies and TV shows and all kinds of previews. And that's what it is. It's a preview. It's not graded. You know, the quizzes aren't graded. That is not fair.   0:16:00.9 Andrew Stotz: You mean they just don't count... They don't count as a grade for the students?   0:16:05.4 Lee Jenkins: Don't count as a... They're scored.   0:16:07.0 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:16:07.3 Lee Jenkins: They're scored...   0:16:08.6 Andrew Stotz: They're scored.   0:16:08.7 Lee Jenkins: But they're not ABCDF on it. Yeah.   0:16:10.3 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:16:11.1 Lee Jenkins: It's just a number, correct. Yes. And so like a geography teacher, excuse me, science teacher, said, "You can't believe what happened to me last Friday. I said to the students, on Monday, we're going to start a unit on rocks. And these are middle school students. And they all applauded." He said, "I've never had students applaud about rocks before." Why? Because it keeps coming up on the quizzes and they want to know. It does that. And then when the students get things right that the teacher hasn't taught yet, then they get, oh, they're really happy. I outfoxed the teacher. I know that.   0:16:57.8 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. You can also imagine it would be interesting if you gave a test and the score was, you know, a four on average out of five, let's say, right at the beginning of the class, you think, wait a minute, they already know this stuff. How did they learn that? Where did they learn that? What am I doing in this class?   0:17:15.1 Lee Jenkins: And see, and one of the things we have to get our heads around is, it doesn't matter how they learn it. The question is, did they learn it? I mean, with AI out, okay, they can... They could do AI... They could find out on their own. They can ask their parents. I mean, there's books, there's the Internet. It doesn't matter. Did they learn it?   0:17:40.4 Andrew Stotz: Yep. Okay, this is great.   [overlapping conversation]   0:17:42.5 Lee Jenkins: So then Dr. Deming said, if you've got 100 concepts, then you'd have 10... It's what he said. You'd be 10 questions a week. So that was in January and in November, I wrote him a letter and we had teachers in the school district already doing this. "Thank you for your kind letter and for the 100 sided die." I had just seen that and they're on Amazon. You can buy a die that's 100 sides. It's like the size of a golf ball. He said "it's exciting. Thank you also for the charts, which I've looked at with interest. I wish for you all good things and remain with blessed greetings. Sincerely yours, W. Edwards Deming."   0:18:29.3 Andrew Stotz: That's cool. And that 100 sided die, that was just saying, if you had 100 concepts, just roll the die and pick whatever ones that land... The 10 that lands on it.   0:18:43.1 Lee Jenkins: Right. Now, I've discouraged over times people landing on 100 because you want essential. So to get to 100, you either have to add trivia to get to 100 or you have to take away essential to get down to 100. So I want people to put down what is it that's essential for their kids to know and when they see them 10 years from now, they still know it.   0:19:10.0 Andrew Stotz: Yep. Okay. So, let's not... We're not going to fixate on 100 is what you're saying.   0:19:14.6 Lee Jenkins: Don't fixate on the 100. But I'm telling what Dr. Deming said as an example. Yeah. And what we did. Okay. Then he said create a scatter diagram. This is not a scatter plot, it's a scatter diagram. So if you look at the bottom left, you can see that... And let me find here, if I can just pointer options. Let's get this. Okay, if you look right here, this is Quiz 1, Quiz 2, Quiz 3. Over time...   0:19:49.4 Andrew Stotz: Okay. So the... Just for the listeners, we're seeing a document that's up here with a 14 quizzes across the bottom. Yep. And then on the Y-axis...   0:20:03.1 Lee Jenkins: And the Y-axis is from 0 to 10.   0:20:06.5 Andrew Stotz: And that's the quiz questions.   0:20:09.8 Lee Jenkins: No, it's... They were asked 10 questions. Yes.   0:20:12.0 Andrew Stotz: Okay. So in this case we can see...   [overlapping conversation]   0:20:12.7 Lee Jenkins: The question number...   0:20:12.7 Andrew Stotz: And then those questions were randomly selected. And then they were put into a quiz format of 10 quizzes, quiz questions. And here we can see, for instance, question number two, four people, I'm assuming, got it right.   0:20:29.8 Lee Jenkins: On quest... This is... On quiz two...   0:20:31.0 Andrew Stotz: Quiz number one, let's say quiz number one, question number two.   0:20:35.7 Lee Jenkins: Quiz one, nobody... One person got zero right. One person got one right. Four people got two right.   0:20:41.7 Andrew Stotz: Okay. Okay. I see.   0:20:42.8 Lee Jenkins: One person got three. Okay?   0:20:44.8 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:20:45.8 Lee Jenkins: These are people for quiz one.   0:20:49.1 Andrew Stotz: Okay.   0:20:50.3 Lee Jenkins: Then this is quiz two. And then this is quiz three. Generally one each week. We've landed on seven times a quarter, because think snow days come up, things happen.   0:21:09.0 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:21:09.5 Lee Jenkins: But so seven out of the nine weeks works. So this is the quiz for a semester.   0:21:16.8 Andrew Stotz: Okay.   0:21:17.6 Lee Jenkins: And the end, at the 14th week, a 14th quiz, I mean, you've got one, two, three, four, five, six. We've got all 10 right. You got four of them with nine, et cetera. That's your Scatter diagram.   0:21:32.2 Andrew Stotz: Okay.   0:21:33.4 Lee Jenkins: Okay. Then he said, do that. Then he said, which I've heard nobody else ever say, add up the total for the whole class. That is unbelievable. Think about it. When an athletic team wins, the players and the coaches celebrate together. In schools, when the final's over, the students celebrate and they do not invite the teacher. Here, every time they are tracking their work, this is quiz one, quiz two, quiz three, four, five, six, seven. It's an interesting one. Somebody put this chart up on a bulletin board, put push pins up and connected with rubber bands.   0:22:24.5 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:22:25.8 Lee Jenkins: Okay. Here's another one where they're learning that the United States states, they have a blank map of the United States. An arrow points to one of the states. They have to write down what state that is. And there they are. And this shows the progress over 18 quizzes. And you can see it going up and up and up. And here's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight times, where... And maybe there's another one. But you're... I'm covered... Oh, there is another one. There's nine times that the class did better than ever before as a team of learners. And they celebrate together, the teachers and the students together.   0:23:16.1 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:23:16.7 Lee Jenkins: Look what we did. Then here's another one. This one on the left is from Australia. And I don't know what subject it was. There's no information. But I know that they went out and took a picture of it with one of the students holding it because they were so excited they'd hit the 200 mark after having started out at 65.   0:23:41.3 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. And for the listeners, we're... Basically Lee's showing different run charts of the number correct, starting from quiz number one all the way through to the final quizzes. And the number is going up and to the right showing that the process of learning is working.   0:24:03.4 Lee Jenkins: Yes. And this one here is spelling. We know that spelling doesn't... Spelling tests don't work. It starts in first grade. It's the classic cram on Thursday night if your mom makes you, take the test on Friday, forget on Saturday. So here is a classroom with 400 spelling words for the year. They're all put in a bucket and 20 are pulled out each... 20 are pulled out each quiz at random. And you can see they're learning the words. Now, sometimes people think that we teach at random. You don't teach at random. You teach logically.   0:24:40.1 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:24:41.2 Lee Jenkins: But the random is giving you accurate information. Are the students actually learning it and not just playing the game. And here's a... You want students to do the work as much as possible. They're your student. That is when you see the coloring and the art, the creativity. Yeah, that's... You want to hand that over to kids to do as soon as you can. And here's one. A French class out of Canada. This is a Spanish class, a third year Spanish class. And the teacher has written that ABC, ABC, ABC, because the teacher had three different quizzes all for the same concepts. So they got quiz A, one week. Quiz B the next time. Quiz C the next time. Whatever, random numbers, but then she had three different complete sets of questions for each of the concepts.   0:25:37.0 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:25:39.6 Lee Jenkins: Oh, I love this one here. The class had 69 correct, then 108, then 128 right as a class. Then they slumped. One, two, three, four, five, six weeks they slumped and they ended up 129 correct as a class. One more than ever before. The kids are thrilled. If you don't count it up, you'll never know that as a teacher. You'll never know it.   0:26:07.3 Andrew Stotz: And you wouldn't know your progress relative to your past class.   0:26:11.2 Lee Jenkins: You would not.   0:26:12.0 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:26:12.8 Lee Jenkins: And so I can't tell you how many teachers have told me, when they have a... The class has an all time best by one or two, a student in the class who's been struggling will stand up and do a chest pump and say, it was me.   0:26:27.6 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:26:28.8 Lee Jenkins: If it hadn't been for my correct questions, which were few in number, but hadn't been for mine, the class wouldn't be celebrating. Yeah, we all understand that, if you're a poor athlete, you're on the basketball team and you're on the bench and the coach decides to put you in for a little bit. The other team fouls you because they know you're not a good athlete. But you make the free throw and the team wins by one.   0:26:57.3 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:26:57.6 Lee Jenkins: You don't hang your head and say, we only won by one. No, you and everybody knows you're the one that made the point that counted, yeah, it's the same thing. And I've wrote this, it's so important. But sports teams celebrate together, coach and athletes, with class run charts, teachers and students celebrate together. So since 1992, we have subtracted nothing from Dr. Deming, what he taught. We've added some clever additions. The little dots on there that say all time best, that's an addition. We changed it from every week to almost every week. And if we have a chance to do another podcast, I will focus on all the things we've added that are so creative, that have come mainly from students. But what Dr. Deming said, and I'm estimating it was three to five minutes, that he shared and they went back to his normal program and it just impacted me. I couldn't believe it.   0:28:15.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:28:17.9 Lee Jenkins: On the website, Crazy Simple Education, there are free blank graphs. So if anybody's interested in what I'm talking about, there's... If you're... And you'd have to look at, if I'm adding... If I'm asking five questions a week, then there's question... There's graphs for that. If I'm asking 20, there's... They're all there. And other things.   0:28:36.6 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:28:39.6 Lee Jenkins: So there's kind of just my little bit of the bio, but it's already been shared. And then on the website, if anybody's interested after over 25 years, what would be the most detailed information of Dr. Deming it's in this book. But you're going to get that information in the future anyway. But I'm just saying, it is there.   0:29:10.9 Andrew Stotz: And just for the viewers, that book, go back to the book for a second. For the listeners, it's called the Essential Navigation Tool for Creating Math Experts, Numbers, Logic, Measurement, Geometry.   0:29:24.0 Lee Jenkins: It has the actual quizzes for grade five, the 28 quizzes for the year. They're there.   0:29:31.2 Andrew Stotz: Right. Right. Amazing.   0:29:33.0 Lee Jenkins: It is superbly put together. Each of the concepts in grade five is assessed seven times. Each of the grade four concepts are assessed twice during the school year. And each of the grade three concepts are assessed once during the year.   0:29:53.5 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:29:54.0 Lee Jenkins: So you don't have to waste the first month or so going over last year. You just start the new content and the review is built in.   0:30:02.4 Andrew Stotz: Yep. Okay. And for the listeners and the viewers, we're not trying to sell this stuff. What we're trying to do is show it as an example of the things that you're doing, which is great.   0:30:12.6 Lee Jenkins: Yes. Yeah. It just shows what can be done with the simple concepts.   0:30:18.5 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:30:18.8 Lee Jenkins: And this is one example. Yes. And so then Dr. Deming talked about waste. And he also said that graphs have to be long and narrow. So here's my long and narrow graph on waste. I asked 3,000 teachers, five different states, just what grade level do you teach and what percentage of your kids love school? Okay, well, kindergarten teachers said 95% of their kids love school. First grade said 90%, second grade said 82% love school. And it goes down every year. It gets fewer and fewer kids love being in school until we get a low of 37% love school in grade nine. It ticks up slightly in grades 10, 11, and 12. But I show this to people, the most common answer I get is, well, of course it went up in grade 10, 11, and 12. I dropped out of high school. They didn't count me.   0:31:25.9 Andrew Stotz: Yeah, yeah.   0:31:28.6 Lee Jenkins: So, but, so the biggest waste in education is the love of learning kids bring to kindergarten. Much more damage caused by that than wasting time and money. That the kids have all the motivation they need for life in that five-year-old body. It's not our job to motivate...   0:31:52.4 Andrew Stotz: And then we flush it out of them.   0:31:52.4 Lee Jenkins: Yeah. It's not our job to motivate them. It's the job to maintain it. So I'll tell you a story of a good friend that I worked with from the very beginning. I mentioned that when I had the note that went off to Dr. Deming. And after we'd just gotten started, he's still teaching grade eight science. He has five periods of science. He says every year, the first day of school, three, four, five eighth graders come to him each period. And they say, "Just so you know, Mr. Burgard, I hate science." So he says to them, "Oh, that's interesting. How long have you hated science?" The kids say the same thing every time, "I always hated science." He says, "You know, actually, that's not true. You loved everything in kindergarten. Tell me your story." And they tell the story. Well, I was in grade three or I was in grade five, whatever, they tell their story. He says, "Okay, here's the deal this year, I'm not going to motivate you to learn science. What I am going to do is to try to put you back the way you used to be. We're going to put you back with the mind of a kindergartner loving learning. That's what we're going to do." Because they... Everybody has stories on what happened to them.   0:33:23.4 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:33:24.3 Lee Jenkins: So I would conclude this part by saying, I am forever grateful to Dr. Deming. My younger son went to the Deming Scholars Program with Joyce Orsini and he graduated. I got to meet both Diana and Judy Cahill, and they were helpful. Kevin just been helpful to me. Kevin Cahill, the grandson, David Langford, I met with him in-person probably 20 times. All encouraging. Jake Rodgers now is the reason why we're here. And of course you, Andrew. So there's so many people to be grateful to that have encouraged me along this journey, in addition to several thousand teachers who send me their stories and their pictures of their graphs, thanks.   0:34:14.1 Andrew Stotz: Fantastic. That's quite a story. And I just love those lessons that you've gone through. I'm going to stop. Is it okay if I stop sharing the screen? I'm going to do that myself here. Is that okay?   0:34:27.9 Lee Jenkins: Yes.   0:34:28.4 Andrew Stotz: Okay, hold on. Don't do anything there. Okay, now I see you, you and me. I want to wrap up because I think that was a great presentation. A lot of things that I'm thinking about myself. But I did have one question for you that I... I'm not sure what to do. One of the things that I've found with teaching is that sometimes my students, they have a hard time focusing. And so when I tell them, okay, you need to read chapters one, two and three before we meet the next time, let's say short chapters. And then they find it's hard for them to stay, they're like, ah, I'll do it later. So they really haven't covered the material. Now, if I give them, if I say, you need to read chapters one, two and three, and I'm going to have a short quiz on chapters one, two and three, and I'm going to give you quizzes every time that we meet, not as an objective to score your work, but as an objective to help you keep focused. And then I do that, let's say five times, and then I take the two best scores and I drop the rest, so, it shows that they did it. And I find that my students, they definitely do... They stay up on their work with it. So my question is, how do I incorporate this, which is really an assessment of the learning in the class with that, or do I need to drop what I'm doing with my quizzes?   0:36:00.6 Lee Jenkins: Okay, we're really talking about the difference between them intrinsically wanting to learn it and being pressured to learn it.   0:36:13.8 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:36:14.0 Lee Jenkins: In a sense. Okay? Now, one of the parts I did not share that could be for future. But the students do graph their own work. Dr. Deming didn't talk about that, but that was... I just focused on what he taught. They graph their own work. And then there's the graph for the whole class. They want to know if they have a personal best. They care about that at all grade levels.   0:36:41.8 Andrew Stotz: Yep.   0:36:42.4 Lee Jenkins: When I... My work is with teachers and if it's a two-day seminar, there's three quizzes, day one and three, and three more quiz, two, day two. There's... You see them, high five. They're teachers. They got... They did better than ever before. Other people are congratulating them. They're so happy. And then at the table where they... Because they usually sit about six or eight at a table, they can see their table did better. There's a chart up on the wall, that's everybody in the room. It might be 200. And altogether we did better than ever before. They care about that. And so kids...   0:37:29.6 Andrew Stotz: Okay so from that, do I take from that drop the quiz that I'm doing and replace it with what you're talking about and get them excited about that and then they'll do their work naturally.   0:37:41.3 Lee Jenkins: Because they don't want to let the team down.   0:37:45.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:37:46.1 Lee Jenkins: Okay?   0:37:46.5 Andrew Stotz: Okay.   0:37:47.7 Lee Jenkins: One of Dr. Deming's story for business was, a businessman came, listened to him and he had salespeople on commission. He went back after hearing Dr. Deming and he said, I'm not going to pay everybody their individual commissions anymore. We're going to put all the commissions in a bucket and everybody gets the same amount. So what happened? The best salesperson quit and the company sales went up because everybody wanted to help the team. They couldn't... They didn't want to be the freeloader. They wanted to contribute. But when you think, oh, that person always gets the free trip to Hawaii. I'll never get that. It's not motivating. It's demotivating.   0:38:37.7 Andrew Stotz: Right.   0:38:38.4 Lee Jenkins: And so they want to help. My only time that I know about a good experience in college, was a professor teaching masters students. And he taught the same class on Monday night and Tuesday night. They were doing research methods from all departments on campus. He gave the quiz on Monday night and then the same goes on Tuesday night. And students, they're taking night classes. They don't come every time, things happen in their lives. So it used to be if a student said, I can't come next Tuesday night, they just wouldn't come. Now they say I can't come next Tuesday night, is it okay if I come on Monday, if I do that and take the quiz, will you put my score on the Tuesday night group? Because they don't want to let their team down. Here they are in their 30s and 40s and 50s, getting their master's degree and they care about... So it's... And then something else we haven't talked about, that we have graphs for the school. It's the whole... It's the school-wide graph. And every teacher has to turn in the total for their classroom for whatever subject they're doing it with by a certain time. And then there's a graph in the hallway for the whole school. Teachers you're not going around the clipboard and inspecting the teachers to make sure they turn it in. No, they do turn it in because they want to help... They don't want to let the team down.   0:40:06.4 Andrew Stotz: Right, right. Okay, I got it. All right. Is there anything you want to share in the... In wrapping up?   0:40:16.0 Lee Jenkins: I would say that you will get the question, how can you assess them on things that you haven't taught yet? And the answer is you don't grade... You don't give them a letter grade for it.   0:40:28.6 Andrew Stotz: Yep. So you're assessing their knowledge. You're not scoring that assessment.   0:40:34.3 Lee Jenkins: Yes. Yes. And you will have more fun than you can believe from Dr. Deming's simple concept, no matter what age you're teaching, no matter what subject, you will love it.   0:40:48.8 Andrew Stotz: It's brilliant. It's brilliant because it shows that the teacher cares, that first the teacher says, I know what I want to get you guys to learn in this semester as an example. And it's very clear. And I want to know that you're learning it.   0:41:08.5 Lee Jenkins: Yes. And actually, the hardest part for teachers is to write down on a sheet of paper what they want them to know at the end of the year.   0:41:15.7 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. It forces a lot of structure onto you to have to think ahead of time, what do I... What exactly do I want here? You can't... What you're talking about is really clarifying the learning outcomes.   0:41:28.7 Lee Jenkins: Yes. You can't just say one... Stay one chapter ahead of the kids.   0:41:32.7 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:41:33.2 Lee Jenkins: No, you got to know upfront what it is, and that's hard. That takes time. And you revise it. At the end of the year, you'll say, why did I put that dumb one on there, everybody knows that. Oh, I left off something else that was really important. Why didn't I put that on there? Well, every year you will tweak it, but you're not starting over again, ever.   0:41:54.0 Andrew Stotz: One of the interesting things that I can do is, I have my valuation masterclass, which is an online course, and it's a 12-week course. And I do it, let's say roughly three times a year. So I've got a great data set there that I rep... You know, my repetition is not annual. It's three times a year. I even may do it four. But the point is that, you know, I can just repeat, repeat, repeat, improve, improve, improve, and then show them as...   [overlapping conversation]   0:42:20.1 Lee Jenkins: You can... You got a perfect model.   0:42:21.1 Andrew Stotz: Yeah.   0:42:21.4 Lee Jenkins: Yes, you can.   0:42:22.4 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. No, that's exciting. Okay, well, on behalf of everyone at the Deming Institute, I want to thank you, Lee, for joining us and sharing your Deming journey and just a very tiny interaction with Dr. Deming and what he's teaching, that you've expanded into something to bring that joy in learning. So I really appreciate that. And ladies and gentlemen, this is your host, Andrew Stotz. And I'm going to leave you with one of my favorite quotes from Dr. Deming and I'm going to tweak it a little bit for education because he said, people are entitled to joy in work. And I think today what we're talking about with Lee is that, people are entitled to joy in education.   0:43:04.9 Lee Jenkins: Absolutely. They are entitled to that. Absolutely. Yes. Thank you.

In this episode of The Dept. Omar talks with Lee Jenkins. Pastor, entrepreneur, and financial expert, on how he built an audience of over 400,000 followers online in just 18 months, all while leading a church and running businesses. Lee shares how to fuse wisdom and experience with the energy of younger generations, why he chose Instagram as his platform, and the keys to creating content that actually serves people instead of just chasing views. They dive into his approach of prioritizing quality over quantity, finding your niche by filling a void, and balancing faith and finances with integrity. If you want to grow your personal brand while staying true to your values, this conversation will inspire you to get what's inside of you out to the world.

  Summary In this conversation, Dayle Annand and Lee Jenkins discuss innovative approaches to homeschooling, emphasizing the importance of mastery, resilience, and wonder in education. Jenkins shares his experiences and insights from his work with Crazy Simple Education, advocating for a hands-on, child-led learning environment that fosters a love for learning. The discussion covers practical strategies for implementing these concepts in homeschooling, the role of curriculum, and the significance of creating a supportive learning climate.   Links MACHE: https://mache.org/ Crazy Simple Education:  https://www.crazysimpleeducation.com/store     Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Homeschooling Insights 02:18 Avoiding Common Homeschooling Mistakes 03:39 The Crazy Simple Education Method 09:52 Mastery in Homeschooling 11:32 Creativity and Hands-On Learning 15:46 The Power of Hands-On Learning 16:58 Building Resilience Through Creativity 18:35 Creating a Climate of Wonder 20:07 The Importance of Performance in Learning 21:27 Pumping Up Wonder for Resilience 22:44 The Role of Curriculum in Homeschooling 24:35 Implementing Effective Learning Strategies 26:25 Listening to Children in Education 28:25 Embracing Mastery, Resilience, and Wonder     Keywords homeschooling, education, mastery, resilience, wonder, Crazy Simple Education, Lee Jenkins, curriculum, hands-on learning, teaching methods  

In this impactful episode, Pastor Lee Jenkins shares a transformative perspective on wealth, blending his financial expertise with biblical principles to inspire you on your wealth building journey. Tune in as Pastor Jenkins breaks down the mindset shifts necessary to close the racial wealth gap and create generational wealth. You'll learn: Why living below your means is the foundation of wealth-building. How to seize opportunities with strategy and purpose. Practical tips on saving, investing, and creating a lasting financial legacy. The spiritual and financial alignment that drives prosperity. Pastor Jenkins challenges us to rethink wealth—not as what we have but as who we are—and to take bold, disciplined steps toward our full financial potential. This conversation is for those ready to rewrite their financial story and leave a legacy of abundance. Tune in now and start cultivating your path to financial freedom! KEY POINTS:  - Money as the root of all evil? - Pastor Jenkin's financial mistakes and realizations  - The balance between financial success & maintaining faith - The importance of financial education - Some biblical perspectives on wealth - Mindset, habits, and wealth-building strategies - Four essential steps to developing the wealth within you - The value of investing in faith, family, and future QUOTES:  “Money is not the root of all evil. It is the love of money that is the root of all kinds of evil.” – Pastor Lee Jenkins  “But remember the Lord, your God, for it is He who gives you the ability to produce wealth.” – Pastor Lee Jenkins  “Wealth is not just what you have. Wealth is who you are.” – Pastor Lee Jenkins  GUEST RESOURCES  Pastor Lee Jenkins  IG | @leeallenjenkins RESOURCES:  Did you miss The Owning It & Living It Experience 2024?? The OILI Experience is coming back in 2025!!!

In this thought-provoking segment, Pastor Lee Jenkins tackles the evolving dynamics in modern households, where more women are becoming the primary breadwinners, a role traditionally held by men. He explores the challenges this shift presents, particularly within the church, and addresses the misconceptions that earning more than your husband is a sin. Pastor Jenkins offers insightful guidance for husbands on how to navigate this new dynamic with grace, humility, and biblical wisdom, emphasizing the importance of supporting and nurturing their wives' potential while maintaining a godly marriage. Listen to the full episode here Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/22-stop-separating-faith-finance-pastor-lee-jenkins/id1732541818?i=1000668006793 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1JRkEk1O7T2rqKmBsFFfsd?si=410c8786b0be47a1 Youtube: https://youtu.be/RGJwEvmdTsY RESOURCES:  [BACKFLIP] Struggling with property data and financing? Discover Backflip—the all-in-one platform that instantly analyzes properties, pulls high-quality comps, and provides fast evaluations. Plus, apply for loans directly through the app and get help choosing the right investment strategy. Transform your real estate investing today! Click HERE to download the Backflip app.  [OILI EXPERIENCE] Use code PODCAST10 to get 10% off your ticket to the Owning It and Living It Experience, November 1-3 in Atlanta, Georgia! Don't miss out on learning from top industry experts like Henry Washington, Kendra Barnes, Jackie and Preston Perry, Lecrae Moore, and more. Plus, I'm giving away a fully renovated house—this year only! No virtual tickets—be in the room to level up your real estate game and immerse yourself in a unique blend of culture and knowledge. Click HERE to get your ticket.  [FREE CONSULTATION] Looking to buy, sell, or invest in real estate in Atlanta? My team of expert, investor-friendly agents is here to help! Book a free 15-minute consultation with one of my agents today, and let's figure out your next move together. [FB GROUP] Loving the podcast and want to connect with me and our incredible guests? Join the Owning It and Living It Facebook group! It's your go-to spot for real estate tips, advice, and a supportive community of investors just like you. Join us today and let's take your real estate journey to the next level.  Erika Brown IG: @erikabrowninvestor LinkedIn: @erika brown Wealth Within Reach is produced by EPYC Media Network

In this segment, Pastor Lee Jenkins tackles the often misunderstood relationship between money, faith, and spirituality. Sharing his personal insights, Pastor Jenkins discusses why pastors should address financial matters more openly and how money can be a powerful tool for spiritual growth. This conversation offers practical, faith-based advice on handling money with integrity, ambition, and a heart aligned with God. Listen to the full episode here Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/22-stop-separating-faith-finance-pastor-lee-jenkins/id1732541818?i=1000668006793 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1JRkEk1O7T2rqKmBsFFfsd?si=410c8786b0be47a1 Youtube: https://youtu.be/RGJwEvmdTsY RESOURCES:  [BACKFLIP] Struggling with property data and financing? Discover Backflip—the all-in-one platform that instantly analyzes properties, pulls high-quality comps, and provides fast evaluations. Plus, apply for loans directly through the app and get help choosing the right investment strategy. Transform your real estate investing today! Click HERE to download the Backflip app.  [OILI EXPERIENCE] Use code PODCAST10 to get 10% off your ticket to the Owning It and Living It Experience, November 1-3 in Atlanta, Georgia! Don't miss out on learning from top industry experts like Henry Washington, Kendra Barnes, Jackie and Preston Perry, Lecrae Moore, and more. Plus, I'm giving away a fully renovated house—this year only! No virtual tickets—be in the room to level up your real estate game and immerse yourself in a unique blend of culture and knowledge. Click HERE to get your ticket.  [FREE CONSULTATION] Looking to buy, sell, or invest in real estate in Atlanta? My team of expert, investor-friendly agents is here to help! Book a free 15-minute consultation with one of my agents today, and let's figure out your next move together. [FB GROUP] Loving the podcast and want to connect with me and our incredible guests? Join the Owning It and Living It Facebook group! It's your go-to spot for real estate tips, advice, and a supportive community of investors just like you. Join us today and let's take your real estate journey to the next level.  Erika Brown IG: @erikabrowninvestor LinkedIn: @erika brown Wealth Within Reach is produced by EPYC Media Network

In this premier episode of Wealth Within Reach - Season 2, we're honored to welcome Pastor Lee Jenkins, Founder and Senior Pastor of Eagles Nest Church, for an inspiring conversation about building wealth with God as your guide.  Pastor Lee Jenkins takes us on a deep dive into the significance of stewardship and discipleship, emphasizing the power of using wealth to bless others. He also sheds light on how he balances his roles in business and ministry, and addresses the age-old question: Is money truly the root of all evil, or is there more to the story? Pastor Jenkins shares the five divine purposes of money: advancing God's kingdom, supporting one's family, fulfilling personal calling, helping those in need, and enjoying life's blessings. Join us as we explore how to align wealth with purpose and unlock its true potential through balancing money and faith in your business today.  Backflip: https://backflip.app.link/Wealthwithinreachpod  KEY POINTS: - On balancing business and ministry  - Spiritual perspective: The importance of handling money & business - Is money the root of all evil?  - The need to demystify the perception of money - On overcoming scarcity mindset  - Pastor Jenkins's transition from business to ministry  - The five divine purposes of money - The importance of remaining humble and reliant on God's wisdom - The vision: a commercial development owned by the church  - On leveraging resources to support both church and community QUOTES: “Money influences us in a very spiritual way. Money is not just a secular thing. Money is spiritual. What I try to do is talk about money the way Jesus did.” – Pastor Lee Jenkins “Financial stewardship is a part of our discipleship. So as a pastor, if I teach people or encourage them to pray, to fast to worship, then I should also be encouraging them to handle their money.” – Pastor Lee Jenkins GUEST RESOURCES:  Pastor Lee Jenkins IG: @thestewardshipcoach RESOURCES:  [BACKFLIP] Struggling with property data and financing? Discover Backflip—the all-in-one platform that instantly analyzes properties, pulls high-quality comps, and provides fast evaluations. Plus, apply for loans directly through the app and get help choosing the right investment strategy. Transform your real estate investing today! Click HERE to download the Backflip app.  [OILI EXPERIENCE] Use code PODCAST10 to get 10% off your ticket to the Owning It and Living It Experience, November 1-3 in Atlanta, Georgia! Don't miss out on learning from top industry experts like Henry Washington, Kendra Barnes, Jackie and Preston Perry, Lecrae Moore, and more. Plus, I'm giving away a fully renovated house—this year only! No virtual tickets—be in the room to level up your real estate game and immerse yourself in a unique blend of culture and knowledge. Click HERE to get your ticket.  [FREE CONSULTATION] Looking to buy, sell, or invest in real estate in Atlanta? My team of expert, investor-friendly agents is here to help! Book a free 15-minute consultation with one of my agents today, and let's figure out your next move together. [FB GROUP] Loving the podcast and want to connect with me and our incredible guests? Join the Owning It and Living It Facebook group! It's your go-to spot for real estate tips, advice, and a supportive community of investors just like you. Join us today and let's take your real estate journey to the next level.  Erika Brown IG: @erikabrowninvestor LinkedIn: @erika brown Wealth Within Reach is produced by EPYC Media Network

In this episode of Eternal Leadership, we had the privilege of interviewing Dr. Lyle Lee Jenkins, a distinguished author and advocate in the field of education. With an impressive collection of over 30 books crafted for children and educators, Dr. Jenkins has left an indelible mark on the world of learning. As a sought-after speaker, he has shared his expertise with teachers and administrators, not only across the United States but also in 10 other countries, making a global impact on educational practices. Dr. Jenkins is renowned for his innovative approach to maintaining children's natural love for learning. Through his unique monitoring process and a range of specially designed products, he addresses common pain points in elementary education, ensuring a more engaging and supportive learning experience. To learn more about Dr. Lyle Lee Jenkins and his profound contributions to education, visit his website: https://www.ltoj.net/about. Don't miss this enlightening episode as we delve into the insights and vision of an education trailblazer, dedicated to solving the biggest problem in education today.

“Teacher' sounds like you're supposed to teach when you actually need to lead the learning. Sometimes, we lead the learning by teaching, but there are more ways to lead learning other than teaching.” – Lee Jenkins Lee Jenkins joins me today to discuss how schools are failing our kids and what can be done to… Continue reading How Schools Are Failing Our Kids with Lee Jenkins The post How Schools Are Failing Our Kids with Lee Jenkins appeared first on Ana Melikian, Ph.D..

Lee Jenkins, Pioneer of L to J School Operations Process, Author of over 30 books for children and educators is interviewed by David Cogan of Eliances entrepreneur community and host of the Heroes Show.   

In this episode of The Eternal Optimist podcast, host Matt Drink invites Dr. Lyle Lee Jenkins to discuss the current state of the education system and ways to make learning more enjoyable for students. Dr. Jenkins shares his expertise on the importance of tracking data, celebrating progress, and implementing new systems on a mass scale. He also shares personal stories about his own experiences with education and how they have influenced his approach to teaching and learning. This engaging and informative episode offers valuable insights for parents, educators, and anyone interested in improving the education system.In This Episode, You'll Learn:00:00:00 Teaching and Leadership: Challenges and Inspiration Explored00:01:58 Reviving Love for Learning: Visual Records to Track Progress00:06:03 From Friend's Help to Published Author: Lyle Lee Jenkins on Homeschooling00:09:05 High School Education: Declining Enthusiasm for Learning00:12:36 Education as Competition: Military School to Fancy Baltimore00:13:42 Negative Effects of Quiz Begging on Student Motivation00:16:49 Celebrating Achievements, Not Bribing: The Power of Thank You00:18:50 Parents' Pride and Gratitude for Children's Actions in Education00:21:38 Clickers to Improve Language Teaching: Tracking Irritations00:26:37 Empowering Students: Changing Dynamics in Education00:27:14 Teaching for Long-term Memory: Simple Approach for High School Students00:31:42 Random Hug and Progress in Education System00:34:01 Flawed Education System: Pressure from Congress to Improve Test Scores00:36:46 Striving for Perfection in Education and Business00:40:37 Monitoring Engagement in Children's Activities: The ImportanceLinks And Resources:Lyle Lee Jenkins on LinkedInLyle Lee Jenkins on TwitterLTOJ WebsiteThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Eternal Optimist? Have some feedback you'd like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!

Is your student unmotivated? Does your home school seem more like a battle zone than a space that cultivates learning? Then this conversation is for you.Our special guest this week on Empowering Homeschool Conversations is Dr. Lee Jenkins, author, speaker, consultant and a recognized expert in improving educational outcomes. Dr. Jenkins shares with us about how to "Fix Intrinsic Motivation in Students"Watch the full broadcast on YouTube at https://youtu.be/zfuM99Zz4kg This episode of Empowering Homeschool Conversations was funded by viewers like you. To learn how you can support the nonprofit work of SPED Homeschool and this broadcast, visit https://spedhomeschool.com/donate/To learn more about Dr. Lee Jenkins' resources, visit https://www.ltoj.net/ To find out more about SPED Homeschool, visit our website at https://spedhomeschool.com/ Check out our most recent articles on SPED Homeschool at https://spedhomeschool.com/articles/ Click here to power up your at home teaching with courses and downloadable hand-selected for you! https://empoweredhomeschool.com/

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Is your student less than motivated when it comes to reading or math? This is The Homeschool Sanity Show, the episode where Dr. Lee Jenkins shares creative ideas for motivating learners. Hey, homeschoolers! As a psychologist, mother, and now a guide for homeschool parents, I have a great interest in motivation. Before I introduce my […] The post Motivating Learners With Dr. Lyle Lee Jenkins appeared first on Ultimate Homeschool Podcast Network.

As of July 2022, Wax has over 300 million NFTs on-chain and dwarfs the number of trades on any other blockchain. They boast partnerships with major brands such as Topps, Funko, Atari, and Mattel toys. Today, I discuss the amazing things that are happening on this fast, efficient, and fun blockchain with Lee Jenkins, the Head of Product at Wax. Mentioned: Wax: https://wax.io/ (https://wax.io/ ) Wax Inclusive Data: https://dappradar.com/ (https://dappradar.com/ ) Blockchain Brawlers: https://twitter.com/bc_brawlers (https://twitter.com/bc_brawlers ) Music Mogul: https://twitter.com/musicmogul_io (https://twitter.com/musicmogul_io) Newsletter + Free NFTs: https://niftybusinessweek.com/ (https://NiftyBusinessweek.com/) Twitter @TropicVibes: https://twitter.com/TropicVibes (https://twitter.com/TropicVibes) Email: mail[at]niftybusiness.co NFT 101 Episodes: https://niftybusiness.co/episode/web-3-0-explain-so-simple-even-congress-should-understand (#36 - Web 3.0 Explained) https://niftybusiness.co/episode/preview-nfts-explained (#225 - NFTs Explained) https://niftybusiness.co/episode/10-reason-to-buy-nfts-besides-making-money (#30 - 10 Reasons to Buy NFTs) https://niftybusiness.co/episode/nifty-words-nft-verbiage (#7 - NFT Words & Verbiage) https://niftybusiness.co/episode/nifty-words-nft-verbiage-part-ii (#47 - NFT Words & Verbiage Part II) https://niftybusiness.co/episode/nifty-words-nft-verbiage-part-iii (#97 - NFT Words & Verbiage Part III) Need a Ledger Hardware (Cold) Wallet? *Using this referral link supports this show at no extra cost to you: https://shop.ledger.com?r=ad8f02ad7ec3 (https://shop.ledger.com?r=ad8f02ad7ec3) Recommended Reading: The Bitcoin Standard: https://amzn.to/3KS52ZR (https://amzn.to/3KS52ZR) The 10 Best-Ever Anxiety Management Techniques: https://amzn.to/3vTgVud (https://amzn.to/3vTgVud) *Amazon affiliate links

The Cambridge City Council passed the Cycling Safety Ordinance which requires the construction and installation of miles of separated bike lanes. A group of local restaurants, medical offices, and retail owners, called Cambridge Streets For All has decided to sue the city of Cambridge over the ordinance. The group believes the ordinance is causing them to miss out on business. Local bakery owner and Board Chair for Cambridge Streets For All, Lee Jenkins, joins Dan to discuss. We welcome proponents and opponents of Cambridge's ordinance to call in with your thoughts!

Our school systems are broken. That is the belief of today's guest who believes education is not a one size fits all process and our current system often puts more emphasis on test scores than on learning itself.  In this episode, I'm joined by Lee Jenkins, a thought leader, international speaker and author, who is truly passionate about maintaining the love of learning that children have from a young age, which is unfortunately not always supported effectively by the current system of governance. As a Mum, this is a subject close to my heart and it was refreshing to hear Lee talk about the pioneering ways in which he is helping to revolutionise the learning space for children, and how we can rapidly accelerate the potential of children by harnessing their intrinsic motivation to learn. KEY TAKEAWAYS Philanthropy doesn't always have to cost exorbitant amounts of money. We can make meaningful differences to people's lives simply through dedicating ourselves to helping them in any way that we can. The person with the most control over education (and the way we are essentially raised to be a member of society) was the person who invented regular testing in a school environment. This has led to many children not needing to learn comprehensively on a subject, but merely for the required sections during testing. Instead of insisting that teachers should instil motivation to learn, they should instead try to maintain the children's already natural state of curiosity and motivation to learn. The system proposed by Lee Jenkins involves a structure consisting of a mapped out plan to learn for the year ahead, punctuated by non-graded quizzes upon not what has been learned, but for the year entire. This method begins by proving challenging for the children, but gradually their quiz scores grow better as their knowledge accumulates. BEST MOMENTS 'It's not expensive - it's a mindset' 'My work in education is entirely on continuous improvement' 'Kids are born motivated to learn' 'There's a kid who comes to us with a battery - it's called intrinsic motivation. And we have to think about everything we can do to keep the battery charged, and if it's lost, to recharge it' VALUABLE RESOURCES On A Mission - https://omny.fm/shows/on-a-mission   Lee Jenkins Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/LeeJenkinsPerfectSchool Lee Jenkins LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/leejenkins/?originalSubdomain=ca  ABOUT THE HOST The On A Mission Podcast brings you Ellie Mckay's no holds barred chats with some of the UK's top business leaders, entrepreneurs, celebrities, athletes, top thought leaders, influencers and mindset experts. On a Mission is for unconventional thinkers that want to challenge the status quo. For all those people on a mission to live their best lives and take control of their own destiny. Ellie is a straight-talking, successful property entrepreneur who passionately believes that everyone has the power within themselves to transform their lives no matter what their situation. As a mumpreneur with 3 young children and multiple businesses, Ellie likes to keep it real with her no-bs insights and share the things that have helped her achieve the level of success she has enjoyed to date. CONTACT METHODS: Linkedin: Linkedin.com/in/ellie-mckay/ Facebook: Facebook.com/ellie.mckay.3150 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/onamissonpodcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/EllieMckay Clubhouse: @ellie83 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Pastor Lee Jenkins' journey has taken him from the NFL to Wall Street and then to the pulpit. We got the opportunity to learn from his vast experience, focusing specifically on the relationship between economics and the Church. The connection may not be initially clear but there is a rich history between banks, equity and the role of the Black Church in making capital available to African American communities. Pastor Lee also helps us understand how the African American experience uniquely affects financial management and investments and he shares his heart on diversity and multiculturalism in the Church today.

Blockchain Brawlers are coming to @wax_io. #MetaVerse #NFTs ready to #Play2Earn. ~~~~~ This official Crypto Gaming Institute podcast was created to showcase the leaders of the crypto gaming world, including game makers, entrepreneurs, developers, investors, experts, influencers, and more. Hosted by Ben Gothard, this show aims to discover the stories of the people behind the technology in order to better understand the intersection of cryptocurrency, gaming & blockchain technology. ~~~~~ A Crypto Gaming Institute Production. Website: https://CryptoGaming.Institute Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoGamingI Discord: https://discord.gg/VKMVr8nSJt Podcast: https://cryptogaming.institute/podcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ben-gothard?sub_confirmation=1 YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/c/BenGothard/join NFT Collection: https://opensea.io/CryptoGamingInstitute Podcast Support: https://anchor.fm/crypto-gaming-institute/support CGI Social Token: https://bitclout.com/u/CryptoGamingInstitute ~~~~~ Recommended Crypto Software. 3Commas (Trading Bot #1 I Use): https://3commas.io/?c=youtubesquad Pionex (Trading Bot #2 I Use): https://www.pionex.com/en-US/sign/ref/qJ1KZsPl Gemini (C-Exchange #1 I Use): https://www.gemini.com/share/zv5ya73p FTX.US (C-Exchange #2 I Use): https://ftx.us/#a=youtube Bittrex (C-Exchange #3 I Use): https://bittrex.com/account/register?referralCode=ZTM-FMI-Y3W Biswap (D-Exchange I Use): https://biswap.org/?ref=d668eb6cc7f4dcb5f627 ~~~~~ Recommended Streaming Gear & Tools. Alienware Aurora R11 Desktop (RTX 3080): https://amzn.to/3eZjIZR Razer Blade 15.6" Laptop (RTX 3070): https://amzn.to/3eXHWDn Alienware 27 Gaming Monitor: https://amzn.to/3nMBeno Razer Huntsman V2 Analog Gaming Keyboard: https://amzn.to/3h16fmv Razer DeathAdder V2 Gaming Mouse: https://amzn.to/3eipIgH Razer BlackShark V2 Pro Wireless Gaming Headset: https://amzn.to/3h1Qrjm Razer Goliathus Extended Chroma Gaming Mousepad: https://amzn.to/2PNuvx4 Razer Base Station V2 Chroma: https://amzn.to/2RqRvTa Razer Ripsaw Game Capture Card: https://amzn.to/3thPw0F Restream: https://restream.io/join/mZ03jR ~~~~~ The topics covered in this podcast include cryptocurrency, crypto, blockchain, games, gaming, gamers, nft, gamefi, play to earn, play-to-earn, play 2 earn, the metaverse, and everything in between.

Originally broadcast LIVE on YouTube, this episode is all about the good, bad, and ugly with running a Porsche shop that builds Porsche engines. Lee Jenkins has spent many years with Hartech serving under Barry (Baz) Hart, an industry expert on Porsche engines. Lee has recently been promoted to Director of Hartech and has much to say about dealing with owners and their cars. Hartech is the top shop for anything Porsche in the UK and I'm sure you'll enjoy hearing what Jake and Lee experience on a day-to-day basis keeping these amazing cars on the road for their owners. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/renncast/support

NFTs Go Hollywood: Space Jam, Saw and The Walking Dead - Nifty News #74 for Tuesday, July 13th NFTs are reaching deeper into popular culture as television and movies are getting into the game.  Space Jam, Saw, and The Walking Dead are all coming to a blockchain near you.  A Meebits has sold for a record-breaking 1000 ETH. And American Express is offering NFTs to certain cardholders. Capcom is also bringing us Streetfighter 2 on the WAX blockchain, and we've got an interview with Lee Jenkins to discuss the product and how WAX is infinitely more energy-efficient than other chains. It's nifty that you are here with us for the nifty news episode #74 of The Nifty Show.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Interview with author and speaker Dr. Lee Jenkins with meditation on Growth Mindset at the end. Dr. Lee Jenkins is an author, speaker and recognized authority in improving educational outcomes. He believes that implementing a growth mindset and celebrating progress are the keys to helping students learn more and retain their enthusiasm for school. Lee has spent 50 years in education. Lee has authored five books regarding continuous improvement in schools, including How to Create a Perfect School, Optimize Your School, Permission to Forget, From Systems Thinking to Systemic Action and Improving Student Learning. 

Robotech, Square Rooted and the World’s First WAX-Based DeFi token - The Nifty Show #57 One of the most popular anime brands is coming to the WAX blockchain! On today's Nifty Show we are joined by Lee Jenkins from WAX to discuss the upcoming Robotech launch.  Then Jason from WAX Whales joins us to share the Square Rooted project. Finally, we've got Micah Dewey from C.A.I.T. to discuss the first DeFi project built on WAX.  Lets get Nifty!  GUESTS Robotech - Lee Jenkins  Sony's Funimation and Harmony Gold bring extraordinary anime experiences to the WAX Blockchain! https://on.wax.io/robotech/ Square Rooted - Jason  Your favorite NFTs have been glitched and locked away in a space known as the Radical. A card game, once for kids, is the only way to get them out. Twitter C.A.I.T. DeFi - Micah Dewey  Blog: https://www.publish0x.com/@GoodDollarNews Matt Hill from The Damn Tasty Corn Chips wrote us to say: Tell Travis and the team that  Nervous Aussie says that you guys rock! This has got to be the most money I've ever had at one time. Life changing. Also I took your advice. I'm now the proud owner of cornchips.io See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Cilla Lee-Jenkins is 50% Chinese, 50% Caucasian, and 100% destined for literary greatness! In this middle grade novel, she shares stories about a new sibling, being biracial, and her destiny as a future author extraordinaire. Priscilla "Cilla" Lee-Jenkins is on a tight deadline. Her baby sister is about to be born, and Cilla needs to become a bestselling author before her family forgets all about her. So she writes about what she knows best―herself! (description from publisher) This title is intended for tweens and is suitable for most audiences. Recorded with permission of Square Fish, an imprint of Macmillan. Click here to see this title in the Houston Public Library catalog.

In this podcast I chat to the amazing human and exercise physiologist Suze Cox about her very personal experience with Parkinson’s disease after losing her father to the horrible disease last year. An extremely fit and active man, the prevalence of Parkinson’s is a lot greater than we realise with a lot more that can be done. She is passionate about increasing our awareness of the disease and how we can recognise it early on because utilising the powerful medicine of specific ‘Exercise’ from these stages can change someone’s life. I learnt a lot from this chat and I hope you do too For those interested in more on the disease check out https://pdwarrior.com/ And here is the link to Suze's charity run she did to honour her Dad and raise awareness https://shake-it-up-virtual-challenge.raisely.com/suzanne-cox/

I truly loved this chat with Suzanne, a woman from Montreal Canada who has spent the last 30 years in Asia making a difference to industry and thousands of lives and livelihoods. From setting up the 1st Business Schools in Vietnam to the first fitness conference in Asia now the hugely successful Asia Fitness Conference. Suzanne never set out for herself but she answered asks for help and said YES which has led to truly amazing business success. As she said its never about me, its about we. Some really great insights for those in business and life for that matter. The Asia Fitness Conference is ONLINE this year on the 3rd and 4th April and available to anyone in the world. It truly is an international conference with presenters from all around the world that you rarely get at the 1 conference. A Great opportunity https://www.cvent.com/events/asia-fitness-conference-2020/event-summary-f2e9eddaf8be4403a206d57991cf56c4.aspx You can also follow the conference at https://www.facebook.com/asiafitconference https://www.instagram.com/asiafitconference/

Capcom's legendary Street Fighter collection is coming to the WAX blockchain in the form of digital collectibles.  Today we welcome Lee Jenkins of WAX to the show to discuss what is expected to be a blockbuster release.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode Angela chats to former mental health nurse now aquarian Shaman Patricia Silverwolf. Patricia talks about how a lot of the mental health patients were actually having spiritual awakenings, the power of breathwork and also kundalini dance. She also talks about that we all have an inner healer (shaman) within and what is possible when we awaken it. You can follow Patricia here https://www.facebook.com/patriciasilverwolf https://www.instagram.com/patricia_silverwolf/ Upcoming Events 5 Week Breathwork Journey https://www.facebook.com/events/476231560037581?active_tab=about Womb Healing Ceremony for Women https://www.facebook.com/events/2811139262547790

In this podcast Angela chats to one of her amazing mentors of the last 4 years Dea Theo. Dea’s work is special. Its transformational. Its made a huge difference to my life and I know it can to yours too. She chats about us accessing our highest wisdom and stepping into our highest self to transform limiting patterns to peak performance. For those that are interested in connecting with Dea’s magic you can reach her https://www.facebook.com/NOW-Neuro-Oasis-Wisdom-107562421206283 https://www.facebook.com/22Transformationfluidflow or join her group https://www.facebook.com/groups/802926387210286 She also has an amazing course coming up in 2 weeks – Creativity is the new Currency. A 5 day course. Details in her group

Second part of the interview with Lee Jenkins on race and racism from a psychoanalytic perspective. Share with us your comments or questions directly at discussionsonpsychoanalysis@pm.me or on twitter twitter.com/DiscusOnPsycha Facebook www.facebook.com/groups/249668092601494/ SoundCloud @user-296153775 iTunes podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disc…is/id1454139315

On the latest installment of Discussions on Psychoanalysis, Grégoire Pierre interviews Dr. Lee Jenkins, Training Analyst and Supervisor at the National Psychological Association for Psychoanalysis (NPAP) in New York City. Dr. Jenkins leads the audience through an abridged chronicle of his upbringing in the south of the United States to his work as a college professor to becoming a psychoanalyst. Dr. Jenkins welcomes us into his personal experiences and weaves a tapestry with stories on race and racism, the impact of the external realities on the internal world of an African American psychoanalyst, and the assumptions and expectations of patients and colleagues. All of this with a nuanced discourse and calm demeanor, a refreshing perspective in our polarized and agitated world.

In this podcast we go all the way to an organic farm in the Margaret River Western Australia and chat to Michelle Emslie owner of Heavenly Scents 7. We discuss her self sufficient lifestyle, how she home schooled her now 3 adult children, her love of oils and her natural approach to health and wellness. Michelle shares with us how she approaches her families health and gives some tips on how we can start incorporating into our life. Michelle was raised with a love for the simple things in life - connection with family and friends, and a passion for natural health and wellness. Plants have always played a big part in her life and she loves nourishing her loved ones with naturally nutritious and fresh food with her paddock to plate farming philosophy Owner of Heavenly Scents 7 and an artisan soap maker, she enjoys a sustainable, slow living and self-sufficient lifestyle ... unprocessed, uncomplicated and just how mother nature intended. Most days you will find her out in the sunshine chasing rainbows on her organic farm She was also recently crowned winner of Doterra diamond club in Australia and New Zealand. Special Offer for Listeners Love to OFFER your members free samples to be posted to them so can enjoy an oil experience first and be supported with ongoing education within our FREE FB Essential oil study for 14 days. They choose which group and PM me You can stay in touch with Michelle FB public page Heavenly Scent 7 Instagram @michelle__emslie You can order oils My website to purchase dōTERRA http://www.mydoterra.com/heavenlyscent7 Email: emslie.michelle@gmail.com

In a year when many businesses have been forced to change in particularly going online Tanya and Dave Fraser have been at the forefront supporting small business be successful in this time. In this great chat they share what is really working for small business at the moment. And they give a great new take on how to approach sales. It really is a unique approach combining Tanya's experience in banking and Dave's as a Neuroscientist! To Stay in Touch kineticsolutions.com.au And follow them on Linkedin __________________________________________________ About Tan and Dave Tanya's broad depth of experience within one of Australia’s largest and high performing Banks, Westpac Banking Corporation, provides your Board of Directors with the financial aptitude, strategic capability, stakeholder influence and confidence in managing successful and profitable businesses.Tanya was the face for the Ambitious Professionals Market, along with the Face of Ruby Connection for Westpac Queensland – a community network designed to support, inspire, educate and connect business professionals.Tanya's leadership roles included full financial, people, recruitment, legislative and risk responsibilities across Westpac’s multiple retail channels across multiple states.Tanya is also a business owner starting & managing a successful training, coaching and mentoring consultancy firm, Kinetic Solutions P/L (https://kineticsolutions.com.au) David is a trained Clinical Neuroscientist & has conducted extensive research in stress-onset psychological & biological barriers to high-performance. David's professional background is a blend of government, corporate and small business experience. David has also developed, established, consolidated & sold two successful businesses; corporate team development & inbound tourism.In 2005, David's philanthropic work led to the establishment of The Solution Network Australia Foundation (https://solutions.org.au), a charitable trust developed to eradicate youth homelessness. The Foundation has also established a highly successful overseas aid project, Living Water, that is currently active in the Philippines, Ethiopia and Indonesia.David's corporate consultation is diverse and has involved;✔︎ Developing, delivering and evaluating successful in-house training programs for both the community and corporate sectors;✔︎ Conducting competitor intelligence surveys and psychometric analysis to determine competitive market positioning for long-term revenue and profit growth;✔︎ Streamlining administrative procedures & guiding staff development programs that enhance key stakeholder relations, improve financial outcomes & align teams to strategic plans.David provides your team with extensive real-life experience on success strategies the development & implementation of total quality management programs that allow individuals, teams & business to scale performance.

https://ltojconsulting.com/, https://intrinsicmotivation.life/ Standardized testing is far worse than a necessary evil; the way the test data is interpreted can also harm the impoverished minority schools that most need encouragement. So says Lee Jenkins, a longtime educator, and administrator in public schools and universities. “Data from the tests is used to rank schools and school districts and label them. So, no matter what minority impoverished schools achieve, they will almost always be labeled as ‘failures’ because it is and always has been a ranking system. We survived this spring (because of the pandemic) without these damaging tests. Now is the time to devise a new system that encourages everyone.” Jenkins is the author of the just-released book, “How to Create a Perfect School,” which contains a foreword by Jack Canfield. He can talk about a better way to gather data to create more perfect schools. Lee has authored five books regarding continuous improvement in schools, including How to Create a Perfect School, Optimize Your School, Permission to Forget, From Systems Thinking to Systemic Action and Improving Student Learning. All books offer powerful, practical suggestions for every aspect of education. The two most influential people supporting Lee’s work are W. Edwards Deming and John Hattie.

Kevin Boston-Hill speaks with author Dr. Lee Jenkins to discuss some strategies that teachers, administrators, and parents can use to Create a Perfect School.

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Join Boyd as he interviews Lee Jenkins, a former NFL player, financial advisor, and current pastor at Eagles Nest Church in Roswell, Georgia. Together they discuss the joys and struggles of fatherhood, including prioritizing quality time with your kids, intentional and intimate conversation, and spiritual leadership in the home.

Join Boyd as he interviews Lee Jenkins, a former NFL player, financial advisor, and current pastor at Eagles Nest Church in Roswell, Georgia. Together they discuss the joys and struggles of fatherhood, including prioritizing quality time with your kids, intentional and intimate conversation, and spiritual leadership in the home.

This week I'm excited to share an interview with Susan Tan, author of a middle-grade series I completely adore–Cilla Lee-Jenkins. The third installment is called Cilla Lee-Jenkins: The Epic Story. Cilla is on her own heroine's quest this year as she braces for middle school, navigates changes in her family, and continues to grow as a … Continue reading Ep. 31: Susan Tan, Author of the Cilla Lee-Jenkins Series →

Whole lotta things have happened in the last 48 hours. Will and Charles discuss the potential trade of Jimmy Butler to the Clippers and the impact of the Lee Jenkins hiring on the overall future of the Clippers.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mike Petraglia makes his Banners debut. Instant reaction and biggest takeaway from the Isaiah Thomas Sports Illustrated feature. Danny Ainge's response. Is this team's heart and soul gone? The feeling around this year's locker room. Terry Rozier's preseason dominance and the new 3 point success of Marcus Smart. If he's the leader, should they extend him now? And who's filling the 15th spot? Plus, Stevens gives Jayson Tatum defensive praise.

In a piece penned by Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins, Isaiah Thomas emotionally described his positive feelings towards the city of Boston, while also indicating his less than stellar feelings on Danny Ainge. Plus, Kyrie Irving appeals to Boston fans, the Celtics end preseason play undefeated with a win over the Charlotte Hornets and the Celtics organization helped raise $100K at the 10th annual Teeing Up For Kids Golf Tournament. 

Lee Jenkins is my favorite Sports Illustrated writer. When LeBron decided he was going back to Cleveland, Lee had the scoop. From San Diego, Lee attended Vanderbilt and has covered UCLA, the Mets, the Nets and the NBA. This podcast is brought to you by: DicksCottons.com for all your fresh sunglasses. Use the code “DREAM” and get 50% off. craftbeerkings.com is our official beer supplier. Order all your fancy beers from them. Delivered to you door! Follow: @si_leejenkins Open: @IamMarioRuiz Instrumentals: “Esta Noche” by @phillyfresh13 from @casadecalacas Cover Art: @DodgersBeat Tech Support: @tynowell

Coach Nick welcomes Sports Illustrated Senior Writer Lee Jenkins to discuss his experiences interviewing the luminaries of the NBA. They also go in depth on the process of writing articles and the research involved, as well as getting players to open up and be real. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You knew it was going to happen. Scott Raab joined me this morning to discuss the return of LeBron James to the Cleveland Cavaliers.  We discussed the letter that LeBron wrote with Lee Jenkins of Sports Illustrated. We also discussed the sourcing frenzy that led up to the LeBron article coming out. Scott talked about what it's been like for his son to welcome back LeBron James and also a little bit about what he'd like to see in terms of coverage of LeBron James from the region's biggest paper, the Plain Dealer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wow, what a crazy week in the NBA. Can you say drama? Well, Dave & Audley will have it covered. Theyll talk about the Chris Paul Clippers trade plus other NBA news. As well, Sports Illustrated writer, Lee Jenkins will drop by to discuss his thoughts on the upcoming NBA campaign. Bring on the season! Were ready The Breakdown -- For Hoops Talk, The Way It Should Be! !