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Guest: Joan Price (author, educator) Joan Price has been writing about aging and sexuality for the last 20 years. Her books are some of the best informed volumed about sex after 65! She joins Auntie Vice to discuss everything from menopause to circadian rhythms and arousal. Sites and Books JoanPrice.com Naked at Our Age: Talking Out Loud About Senior Sex The Ultimate Guide to Sex After 50 Better than I Ever Expected: Sex After 60 Sex After Greif Other Things Mentioned in this Episode Hook-up Horror Stories Podcast with Demi Wylde ----more----  

In this episode, Doug and Dr. Talia talk to author and sex educator, Demi Wilde about hook up horror stories (Talia won worst story! Woot woot!) We discuss stigma, down low online exploration of sexuality, which apps produce which kind of connections, all the kinks and fetishes, and pitfalls and dangers of modern dating! As you can imagine, the middle aged straight lady asks a lot of embarrassing questions and the two gay men humor her while also sharing a lot of awkward pauses and nervous laughter, it was the absolute best! Join us!Find Demi: Podcast: Hook Up Horror Stories, and on YouTube as well. Blog: The Deviant Diaries available on his website DemitriWylde.com Insta: @DemitryWylde_We're Not Finehttps://werenotfine.comShop the Pod: https://werenotfine.com/shopInstagram: @werenotfinepod Doug JensenProfile: https://werenotfine.com/our-team/Email: contact@werenotfine.comIG: douglasljensenTwitter: dougjensen4CsDr. Talia JacksonProfile: https://werenotfine.com/our-team/Email: contact@werenotfine.comIG: @drtaliajacksonTwitter: @Talia.Jackson77This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

I am chatting with Demi Wylde, the host of the Hookup Horror Stories podcast, as we recount our tales of tumultuous coitus and other lovemaking mishaps because guess what? Shit happens. Quite literally. Trigger warning: poop and blood.Follow Demi's socials:InstagramYouTubeWebsite______________________________________________________________________________How to support this show and help keep the show free!Use code SEXEDWITHTIM at any of the below sites for awesome discounts!Get 15% all regular priced items off when you shop at Love ShopKink closet need a glow up? Head to dalekuda.com for 25% off your entire purchase plus free shipping.______________________________________________________________________________Email: timlagman@sexedwithtim.comFollow Tim on all social media!Instagram: @sexedwithtimFacebook: Sex Ed With TimTwitter: and @sexedwithtimVoicemail: SpeakpipeVisit my website Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Demi Wilde is an author, educator and content creator originally from Visalia, California where he had to GTFO as fas as he could! In this episode we talk about: 02:57 The Commodification of Connection 10:23 Demi's journey into Sex Education 17:02 Growing Up Religious 21:13 Those First Wet Dreams 25:33 Poetry as Therapy 31:35 Demi Dishes the Dirt on Sh*tty Dating Trends 38:04 A Hookup Horror Story (obviously) 45:13 Reflections of a Bad Date 46:37 The Gift of Rejection 48:03 Finding Love on Grindr 49:29 The Importance of Timing and Emotional Availability 50:57 Being Present and Transparent 51:55 Burnout and Miscommunication in Dating 54:15 Communication and Presence You can find Demi on Instagram at @demitriwylde_, his website www.demitriwylde.com and you can get his podcast “Hookup Horror Stories” on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Help support the show and buy me a coffee! (Spoiler, you can also book a coaching session with me there!) Stay connected through Birds and Bees Don't Fck on Instagram at @birdsandbeesdontfck & follow your host @ArielleZadok Like to watch? Check out the video version of this podcast on YouTube! Classes coming soon to Elxr.Life!

In this episode, I invited my friend and fellow podcaster Demi Wylde onto the podcast to discuss rape culture. Some of the topics discussed include the importance of advocacy, how porn is fantasy and not real sex, comprehensive sex education and the media we consume as children, and the connection between rape culture and the law. Subscribe today and join the conversation!   Demitri (Demi) Wylde is an author, content creator, and sex educator based out of Los Angeles, CA. He is the CEO of Wylde Heart Media, and hosts the podcast Hookup Horror Stories with Demi Wylde. His blogs "The Deviant Diaries" and "A Deviant's Guide to Sex" are available on his website. Demi is also an HIV, women's reproductive rights, and a certified human trafficking awareness advocate. To connect with Demi and his works, follow this link: https://linktr.ee/demitriwylde.   If you are looking to receive training on human trafficking with the Polaris Project, reach out to them here (https://polarisproject.org/training/).   Follow and Support the Podcast Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/heauxliloquy Twitter: @Heauxliloquy (https://www.twitter.com/heauxliloquy) Website: https://www.heauxliloquy.com Vernon's book: https://amzn.to/3vsZDm5 Vernon's IG: UrFavHeauxst (https://www.instagram.com/UrFavHeauxst/) Subscribe to the Viberator In My Pod - https://linktr.ee/heauxliloquy   Crisis and Psychological Resources Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network https://www.rainn.org 800-656-HOPE (4673) National Suicide Prevention Lifeline https://www.988lifeline.org 800-273-TALK (8255) Text or call 988 National Domestic Violence Hotline https://www.thehotline.org 800-799-7233 Text START to 88788 Find A Therapist American Psychological Association (https://www.apa.org/topics/crisis-hotlines) Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/family-marital) Therapist Locator (https://www.therapistlocator.net/) Access additional resources on Open Counseling (https://blog.opencounseling.com/hotlines-us/) Open Counseling also has a list of International Hotlines (https://blog.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines/)   Slaytor's Playhouse on the Web Slaytor's Playhouse: https://slaytorsplayhouse.com SP Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/slaytorsplay SP YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfS8UcvYHLtiDsfqQqTLJeg Coaching services available through Slaytor's Playhouse (https://bit.ly/3Deizss) Donate to Slaytor's Playhouse (https://bit.ly/3qDGUTF)   Referrals and Affiliates If you are interested in signing up for Episodic Sound and accessing their list of royalty free music, please use my affiliate link (https://www.epidemicsound.com/referral/2mj5fk).   If you are interested in joining the podcasting world and creating your own podcast, check out PodBean (https://www.podbean.com/topheauxpod). Sign up today and get one month free.   Sponsorship Looking to sponsor the podcast? Email Slaytor's Playhouse at info@slaytorsplayhouse.com.   The Heuaxliloquy Podcast Media Kit (https://bit.ly/35U78Kg)   If you are an advertiser trying to reach a new market, check out PodBean Advertising (https://sponsorship.podbean.com/topheauxpod). Use the link to get up to $100 credits for running your first ad on PodBean.

In this episode, I invited my friend and fellow podcaster Demi Wylde onto the podcast to discuss sex work. Some of the topics discussed include defining human trafficking and how it works, the evils of exploitation, the difference between sex work and sex trafficking, and how legalizing sex work fights human trafficking. Subscribe today and join the conversation!   Demitri (Demi) Wylde is an author, content creator, and sex educator based out of Los Angeles, CA. He is the CEO of Wylde Heart Media, and hosts the podcast Hookup Horror Stories with Demi Wylde. His blogs "The Deviant Diaries" and "A Deviant's Guide to Sex" are available on his website. Demi is also an HIV, women's reproductive rights, and a certified human trafficking awareness advocate. To connect with Demi and his works, follow this link: https://linktr.ee/demitriwylde.   If you are looking to receive training on human trafficking with the Polaris Project, reach out to them here (https://polarisproject.org/training/).   Homework assignment is to watch Good Luck to You, Leo Grande   Follow and Support the Podcast Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/heauxliloquy Twitter: @Heauxliloquy (https://www.twitter.com/heauxliloquy) Website: https://www.heauxliloquy.com Vernon's book: https://amzn.to/3vsZDm5 Vernon's IG: UrFavHeauxst (https://www.instagram.com/UrFavHeauxst/) Subscribe to the Viberator In My Pod - https://linktr.ee/heauxliloquy   Crisis and Psychological Resources Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network https://www.rainn.org 800-656-HOPE (4673) National Suicide Prevention Lifeline https://www.988lifeline.org 800-273-TALK (8255) Text or call 988 National Domestic Violence Hotline https://www.thehotline.org 800-799-7233 Text START to 88788 Find A Therapist American Psychological Association (https://www.apa.org/topics/crisis-hotlines) Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/family-marital) Therapist Locator (https://www.therapistlocator.net/) Access additional resources on Open Counseling (https://blog.opencounseling.com/hotlines-us/) Open Counseling also has a list of International Hotlines (https://blog.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines/)   Slaytor's Playhouse on the Web Slaytor's Playhouse: https://slaytorsplayhouse.com SP Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/slaytorsplay SP YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfS8UcvYHLtiDsfqQqTLJeg Coaching services available through Slaytor's Playhouse (https://bit.ly/3Deizss) Donate to Slaytor's Playhouse (https://bit.ly/3qDGUTF)   Referrals and Affiliates If you are interested in signing up for Episodic Sound and accessing their list of royalty free music, please use my affiliate link (https://www.epidemicsound.com/referral/2mj5fk).   If you are interested in joining the podcasting world and creating your own podcast, check out PodBean (https://www.podbean.com/topheauxpod). Sign up today and get one month free.   Sponsorship Looking to sponsor the podcast? Email Slaytor's Playhouse at info@slaytorsplayhouse.com.   The Heuaxliloquy Podcast Media Kit (https://bit.ly/35U78Kg)   If you are an advertiser trying to reach a new market, check out PodBean Advertising (https://sponsorship.podbean.com/topheauxpod). Use the link to get up to $100 credits for running your first ad on PodBean.

Get ready for a wild ride as Carli DeVille, your sultry host, and Demi Wylde from the Hood Up Horror Stories podcast join forces to bring you an unforgettable episode of Naughtylicious! This steamy collaboration dives into the naughtiest news, including discovering your sex initiation style, the unbelievable story of a woman experiencing an orgasm at a philharmonic concert, and a scandalous rating of Gwyneth Paltrow's most infamous sex quotes. But the fun doesn't stop there! Carli and Demi delve deep into the heart of Demi's Hood Up Horror Stories podcast, sharing their own jaw-dropping tales from the world of hookups. You'll be on the edge of your seat as Carli recounts her wild story of how she almost broke someone's penis during an erotic encounter. Fasten your seatbelts, my naughty darlings, as this episode promises to be a rollercoaster of thrilling gossip, sensational stories, and unforgettable experiences. Don't miss out on this scandalous adventure with Carli DeVille and Demi Wylde on the Naughtylicious podcast! Shop: https://naughtylicious.creator-spring.com/ https://www.youtube.com/carlideville https://www.instagram.com/carlideville/ https://www.tiktok.com/@carlideville Demi:  https://www.youtube.com/@demitriwylde Demi insta: https://www.instagram.com/demitriwylde/ https://www.tiktok.com/@demitriwylde https://www.demitriwylde.com/

For this episode I'm joined by Demi Wylde, he is the host of A Cosmic Journey with Demi and J., #HookupHorrorStories, and Tarot Love Doctors. He is also the author of two poetry chapbooks: "Bitter Blue Pill" and "All Was Nothing in the Time of Champions". We had a fascinating talk about Reptilians, Ghosts, a creepy trip to a cemetery, and much much more. Warning it does get a little dirty at end of episode as we talk about the right time to talk to your kids about sex. So join us for a fascinating conversation. Demi's Website: https://www.demitriwylde.com/ Demi's Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb6q55j959YWJQXouTtaOMw Paranormal the New Normal/Maniacal Music Musings Podcasts Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/545827736965770/?ref=share Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@juggalobastardpodcasts?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8xJ2KnRBKlYvyo8CMR7jMg --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

INTRODUCTION: Ryan Murphy and Netflix have collaborated to bring us a shocking rendition of the life and times of notorious serial killer + cannibal, Jeffrey Dahmer (Evan Peters). Jeffrey Dahmer was responsible for the murder of 17, mostly black and brown, young men and young boys. Dahmer would drug them, kill them, harvest their body parts and eat them. This series documents Dahmer's internal struggle, as well as, how the police failed everyone despite multitudinous warning signs. Please join Demi Wylde, the host of the Hookup Horror Stories podcast and De'Vannon, the host of the Sex, Drugs and Jesus podcast as they go through a review of the entire series. THEMES FOUND WITHIN THIS SERIES (But not limited to):  ·      Racism·      Homophobia·      Nature Vs. Nurture·      Hookup Culture Dangers·      Cannibalism ·      The Humanity In Dahmer·      Implications Of Dahmer's Childhood·      Grossly Flawed Legal System·      Dahmer's Fan Base·      Dahmer's Copycats·      Forgiveness vs. Unforgiveness  CONNECT WITH DEMI: Linktree: https://linktr.ee/demitriwylde   CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comWebsite: https://www.DownUnderApparel.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBible (Jeffrey Kranz)o  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net VETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: Dahmer[00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Ryan Murphy and Netflix have collaborated to bring us a shocking rendition of the life in times of notorious serial killer and cannibal. Jeffrey Dahmer, played by Evan Peters. Jeffrey Dahmer was responsible for the murder of 17. Mostly black and brown young men and boys. Dahmer would drug them, kill them, and harvest their body parts and eat them.This serious documents doer's internal struggle, as well as [00:01:00] how the police failed everyone, despite Multitudinous warning signs. Please joined Demitri Wylde. The host of the Hookup Horror Stories podcast and myself as we go through a review of this entire Netflix series.Demi: Welcome to Hookup Horror Stories. I'm W Wild. You're Resident Sexual deviant. De'Vannon: Hello, bitches. My name is Danna and I hosted Sex Drugs in Jesus podcast. How you doing? Demi: How you doing? It is spooky season. So we are here talking about the show that is taking the internet by storm. Ryan Murphy's latest Netflix show Monster, the Jeffrey Daher story De'Vannon: C.All the while I was watching that Lady Gaga song Monster Within my Head, That boy is a monster and bitch. Did he not give meaning to the [00:02:00] term Eat Your Heart Out. Demi: Eat Your Heart Out. Actually, I think secretly that song was partially about him. De'Vannon: Lady Gaga song. Yeah, yeah, Demi: yeah. I could see that. And behold, I think like she was using him as like a reference to, you know, talk about a guy that she was, you know, , who De'Vannon: was a monster to her.Freaked out by I was, I was playing back the lyrics in my head. I asked my girlfriend if she seen you run before. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I have so much to say about all of this. Demi: Yeah. We've got a lot to talk about. This is a very extra special kind of crossover episode that I've never done before and I think it's really fun to talk about, especially for Halloween De'Vannon: season.Yeah. So we're doing a threeway with Jeffrey Dahmer than I ate, basically. And couldn't get any more creepier than that, but we're gonna do it because we're open minded and super freaky and so, I was inspired by Dahmer the other day. Well, inspired by the, not by him, but by the documentary, you know?Mm-hmm. , [00:03:00] and and I was like, I reached out to Deme and I was like, Girl, we need to do a show about this motherfucker. Let's talk about this. Demi was like, Let's release it on Halloween. I was like, Okay, let's, let's, let's, let's do it at the witching hour then, . That's Demi: right. That's right. Well, yeah, it, it is a witching hour.So obviously we've got our candles lit here De'Vannon: before we begin and get too far into it. I have mine that I'm going to light now. This little T light here, I'm lighting it out of respect for the people who Jeffrey Daher murdered, but not just the people he murdered, but also anybody who's departed this plane of existence in a very torturous brutal way like that.And so I don't know. Hopefully it shed some peace on them in the afterlife. Agree. And so, [00:04:00]as we say, in, in in positive energy circles for the good of all, or not at all, Demi: for the good of all, or not at all. I like that. Perfect. Amazing. Well, if you guys are watching this on video, you'll obviously receive this on both of our channels.Check it out. Boom. Otherwise just sit back and listen to what we're gonna talk about. Spoiler alerts and trigger warnings are in full effect, so get De'Vannon: ready. Yeah, it, we, we put spilling all the tea until every goddamn damn thing. So in fact, you can probably listen to this episode instead of watching the series.You feel like it cause we going through this bitch. Demi: Exactly. Well, we've got a lot to talk about so let's just get a little refresher on who Jeffrey Daher was. Shall we? De'Vannon: We shall first. He was hot. He was hot. I will say . Was he? I don't think so. Well that's cuz you really like black. [00:05:00]Demi: I mean, I'm hoping to all but like not him.First of all, he is so like plain Jane looking first of all, and second of all the glasses, the demeanor, the hair, just, I'm not feeling it at all. . De'Vannon: Now I'm talking about the younger hyn. Now I'm not talking about the older prison or whatever the fuck I'm talking about, that I'm not about the, the young one.Demi: Well, yeah, either way he, he's playing with those striped shirts, the button up. Uhuh. Can't do it. not my type of white boy. We're not gonna make you. No. So anyways, let's talk about Jeffrey Dahmer. So, Jeffrey Lionel Daher was also known as the Milwaukee Cannibal or the Milwaukee monster. He was an American serial killer and convicted sex offender who committed the murder and dismemberment of 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991.Many of his later murders involved necrophilia, cannibalism, and the [00:06:00] permanent preservation of body parts. Typically parts of the skeleton. Although he was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, sty of personality disorder and psychotic disorder, he was convicted of 15 and 16 or 15 of the 16 murders he had committed in Wisconsin, and he was sentenced to 15 terms of life imprisonment on February 17th, 1992.Daher was later sentenced to a 16 term of life imprisonment for an additional homicide. Committed it in Ohio in 1978. On November 28th, 1994, Daher was beaten to death by Christopher Scarr, a fellow inmate at the Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, Wisconsin. His victim's names are all Steven Mark Hicks, who is 18, Steven Walter Tomi, who was 25.James Edward d Tater, who is 14? Richard Guro, who is 22? Anthony Lee Sears is 24. Raymond Lamont Smith, who is 32. Ernest Marque, Miller 22. David Courtney Thomas, who is 22. Curtis Dorell [00:07:00] Strader. Who is 17? Err. Lindsay. Who is 19? Tony Anthony Hughes, who is 31 Conac in, Who is 14? Matt Cleveland. Turner, Who is 20?Jeremiah Benjamin Weinberger, who is 23. Oliver. Joseph Lacey, who is 24. And Joseph Arthur Bradoff, who is 25.How do we feel? De'Vannon: I was taking, taking and giving everyone a moment of silence to just like take like that set in for a moment. Yeah. How do I feel? It reminds me of, of all the vigils we see on TV after mass school shootings and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, it's like when all the, all the, all the dead coming together.I'm just seeing like, you know, all the titty bears and the flowers and the candles on the ground. That, that's the imagery I'm getting. How about you? Demi: It's a lot to take in. I, I couldn't watch the show. In normally, like, I like to binge something that's not [00:08:00] one of those bingeable shows to me. That first episode had me just like, fully, like on edge, like, and I love horror.I love true crime. I don't get squeamish a whole lot. I was very squeamish by this. It was very visceral in my opinion. I just, I was like, Oh my God, what the fuck is happening? You know? Seeing these characters play out before he, before us, the actual murders themselves being portrayed in such a way, especially by Ryan Murphy about it just made everything so much more real.You know? Cause I've already known the story. I've already known what happened, but like, just seeing it played out was like, Holy shit. Like this is a little too much at times. It's De'Vannon: all great to have a a, a story, but it's all about how you tell it baby. And so let us give credit to those who told it. Now, Evan Peters is the star of this.And then like he said, like, like, like to me, said Ryan Murphy wrote it. And then I saw the name Ian Brennan come up as a lot of the writing. There were other people who wrote it too, but [00:09:00]mainly Ian Brennan. I'm partial to Ian Brennan cuz my boyfriend's name is Ian . So I'm here for all the Ian's of the world.And Demi's, one of Demi's favorite persons, Niecy Naja was in there giving life, serving face, , . Demi: She played such a good role, and I know that Glenda was, was a real person, but that character that she played and the stuff that she experienced was actually experienced by a lot of the other people that were like in the building or other people that had interactions.So she was kind of an amalgamation of like a bunch of people. I actually remember specifically the, the instance where the, the 14 year old where he actually, you know, he drilled the head and put acid in there and he was like, you know, comatose almost, but like still, he got up and he, and he ran. And so Glenda was like, and then I think another couple people were outside and they found the boy and then the police.Sent [00:10:00] them back in with, with Daher. It was like, Oh my God, what the hell is happening here? But she was fully giving me life the entire time especially in those moments where she really like cared to, but also that she wasn't heard. You know? She like, it was so, Oh my, I can't even like verbalize it. It was De'Vannon: messed up.Oh my darling, I will do my part to guide you through this emotional journey you were about to take , so the, I had two questions for you. Yeah. Before we get into the episode breakdowns, I just wanted to know what was the most heartbreaking part for you? Was it the scene you just described or with is something d.Demi: I mean, that one was obviously a heartbreaking, cuz I know how all of 'em really heartbreaking cuz I knew how they all ended. What was the, the, the def the deaf guy? I, I'm gonna Tony Hughes, Was that his name? De'Vannon: Oh God. He went through so many men. Honey, I couldn't keep up with the names. I know. Demi: I think that was, [00:11:00] I think that was his name.I could be wrong. I apologize if I am, but I'm really bad with names anyways. But yeah, the, the deaf boy he, that one was the most heartbreaking cause I knew how it played out and it was just so sad to see, like, it was hard for me to like peel away the kinda like monster mentality versus like kind of just like the need to connect with someone, Which I think a lot of people who are like dah.Feel, So I don't wanna like sympathize with a killer, you know? But I can understand how a person just wants to be connected to another person. And I think that was the closest thing that he had was with, was with Tony. And so far from the show, I'm not sure about real life. But you know, in the show it played out that way, that they actually had dates and they actually had, you know, time spent together and they spent the night together and , it was just so heartbreaking, you know?[00:12:00] Mm-hmm. . Oh, De'Vannon: well I feel for you darling. I feel for you that, that that part was super heartbreaking. And what stood out to me was that that's the deaf guy was the one who was trying to keep a classy, He actually didn't have his legs open the moment he met Jeffrey, and he was the one I know told him no, and I thought, I wonder if, because Jeffrey didn't kill him.He thought about it. He had the drugs to put it in his drink. Mm-hmm. and he put it back up. So this is, this is when we see Jeffrey trying to fight that monster within. And I'm thinking the deaf guys is somebody who's actually telling him no. Their little note he wrote said, You have to earn me cuz he didn't talk.So he told Jeffrey, You have to earn me. And this evoked a different response from Jeffrey. Yeah. You know, we see this in men, you know, quite often if you know, if, if, if, if you let them fuck you tonight they will. But if not, you know, they may just treat you with respect instead. And so, Demi: yeah, I mean that was what was most [00:13:00] heartbreaking for me was like that, that story with him.We all know how it ended clearly, but I'm not sure if they depicted this exactly, but Several of, of his victims. He actually like, kept around, like laid around while after he killed him. So like, he, they were in his apartment for like three days or whatever. Tony, he kept around for a while before he decided to get rid of him.It is just so strange, like seeing these like, kind of like, I don't want to humanize him, but like, it's just moments of like, Oh my God. Like, I kind of feel bad. I, this, this kid had, he was doomed from the beginning. He was doomed from the beginning. His mom was crazy. His dad taught him how to do this shitDe'Vannon: I, I think kind of like a part of the point of [00:14:00] this series was to bring out his humanity, because everybody knows. You know, he's the crazy bitch who killed all these people. Mm-hmm. , but the sensitive side with his history and background to my knowledge, had never been told before. And so I'm okay with looking at a person and seeing both the evil and the good in them.Right. And so, and I think that this series did a great job with that. The second question I had for you was, what, what, And the answer might be the same, but, you know, what was the most shocking part for you? Like something that you just not see coming, like, Oh bitch. Demi: Well, I don't think, I didn't see anything coming.Okay. I think the most shocking, but also not exactly I, I knew this was gonna happen anyways, was the fact that like the police that just were completely negligent in, in taking this seriously, [00:15:00]just. Got off on it, you know, it ju it was just so fucked. And I think that was what made me so angry at the very end was just like, Oh my God.Like here is this, this predator who is going after, you know, marginalized people. And whether intentionally or not, he, he was, he was doing it that these police officers just didn't want to get involved. You know, Even though Linda was calling them all the time, seeing their weird smells or there's body, you know, I, it's just mind boggling how, how messed up that shit is and how real it is.Cause it happens to this day still. De'Vannon: Right. What, what shocked me the most was the role that his parents played in it. His mom being on all the pills and the medication, which clearly scrambled his brain chemistry and his dad. Harboring the same sort of desires, but acting him out with animals and then teaching his son how to do the same thing.That's something [00:16:00] I never saw coming. I was shocked about that. Demi: Yeah. I mean, that part, the fact that his, at the very end they were talking about keeping his brain mm-hmm. to study it, which I think would've been really great to do just for science concur. And then his dad was just like, No, we just gotta, We're done with it.We gotta De'Vannon: go. He didn't have the balls, He didn't really have a whole lot of nuts throughout the whole thing. Yeah, no, he had like a moment of nu tackiness and then he just, he just didn't wanna face the truth or whatever those results would've rendered . Good deal. Right. Demi: I think the most interesting part of it was like, it, it raised in my, in my mind the whole concept of nature versus nurture, as we know as gay people, like how much of us growing up gay, is it nature versus nurture?How much of it growing up as a, as a homicidal maniac, [00:17:00] cannibal, , how much of that is nature versus nurture? You know, you know, his mom was, was obviously was like nature right there, you know, he, that was like biological and then his dad kind of nurtured this part of him too. So like, it kind of had both ends of the spectrum.You know, It's, it's so interesting. De'Vannon: But I also wanna point out that of these 17 young men that were murdered, the majority of them were black and brown individuals. Correct? This was happening during, like, the middle of the last century, so there's a lot of racism, homophobia going on, you know, and that's, that's a theme throughout the end.I love Jackson Jackson's Tri Jesse, Reverend Jackson. Jackson is Triton appearance. Towards the end. Mm-hmm. as you mentioned though, this sort of thing does still happen today. And, and, and if I could like, make a hashtag, like and give respect to your podcast, hook up horror stories, I would say this show pretty much demonstrates the old hashtag ultimate of [00:18:00] horror story.Demi: I agree. . This is the ultimate, this is the thing that we've all been more warned about in like hookup cultures. Like, you know, don't go out on a date with anybody. You not the internet, otherwise you'll fucking be murdered. You know, or gotten your heart eating out. Literally the ultimate hookup horror story.De'Vannon: Yeah. So we're not joking in this, in this series. Y'all, Jeffrey liked to cut the boys up. I'm pretty sure he sauteed a liver, a human liver, you know, and, and he ate it like it was a goddamn Morton Steakhouse six, you know, five star restaurant. I mean, I guess, I mean, I'm laughing, I'm not laughing at it, but I don't have any other emotions to, to, I'm laughing at the how hysterical this whole thing is.Demi: I mean, if we don't laugh, we'd cry because it's so fucked up in [00:19:00] grotesque. But I think also talking about it openly and also discussing how we feel about it and using humor as a way to kind of cope. That's something I'm very familiar with. I'm, I make really, I have a very dark, twisted sense of humor. So this is definitely something I do on a regular basis.So, no, this is a safe space. I think. Anybody who's listening, I hope you guys feel the same way. This is a safe space. I think that , in addition to like the, in addition to all the, you know, horrible dismemberments and the cannibalism and keeping body parts in its fridge and freezer and stuff I think the most, one of the most crazy things about it was like he drilled their heads and then put acid in their brain in order to make living zombies.That was like his goal, because he didn't want people to leave him. He didn't want people to, like, he wanted people to be subservient and to be like, you know, [00:20:00] it's, it's so fucked up. But also it's kind of like, Oh God, you just wanted connection. You know?De'Vannon: I think that stemmed from his mother and his dad always leaving him. Yeah. Cause in the first like episodes we see his mom just got his little brother and screeched off because his mom and dad had a terrible, chaotic relationship. So people can get their heads fucked up just from the parents not getting along and shit like that.Right. This experience in my, in my own household. And that's why that was, he didn't want to be left. He didn't understand. Okay. They gotta go to work. They got something else to do. He wasn't trying to hear none of that. Oh, he heard he just wanted them to stay. He wanted them to stay, You know? But I mean, why do, when we go around and we do a whole lot of hooking up, then I think it's for the same reason, at least for me, you know, looking back when I was in and out of a different bed every night, you know, I just didn't [00:21:00] wanna be alone when I was a drug dealer, you know?And I would just give people narcotics or whatever. Just, I just didn't fucking wanna be by myself. Right. So how do we fix that? Okay. Demi: Yeah. I have no idea. , . I think it's, it's maybe being comfortable being alone has, has part to do with it. Being comfortable with being, but also not like being so alone that you go crazy.You know, reaching out to people when you need to and talking to friends, people who you trust, who are having people you trust in order to kind of alleviate some of that loneliness and, and to bring other perspectives into, into being. I wanted to bring out another serial killer that I, I found a lot of like kind of connection to Daher.And his name was Dennis Ni. He was a guy in the UK who also a gay serial killer. He didn't eat the body parts, but he did keep body parts around. [00:22:00] And his first kill was a young man. He met at a bar, brought him home, ended up just drinking and talking all night, having a great time sleeping together.I don't think they had sex, but they, they slept at the same bed, they cuddled, whatever. The next morning Dennis got up and he decided that he didn't want this boy to leave, like they all do. And he ended up strangling him while he was in bed. It's kind of that same motive where it was kind of like, you know, you just want someone to be around.I and then he also keeping of the body parts has something to do with that too. Yes. There's some sort of like trophy involved, but also kind of like more like, I have this memento of this person, you know, we still go connected to them. Yeah. So still, still still feel connected to them. Exactly. The only way Dennis Nelson got caught was just this kind of gross, but he, after a few years of like doing this and stuff and keeping body parts around the house [00:23:00] he decided to start getting rid of the stuff and he started putting it down the drainAnd anyone who's been the UK knows that plumbing in the UK sucks. And so he started putting body parts down the drain and. People in the building started finding brown water coming up and they were like drinking it and all this stuff, and they, they finally called, you know, the management, whatever. They found out that there's like these horrible body parts going up and they all tracked it back to Dennis.That's how we got caught. But I felt a lot of like kind of connection between Daher and ni. Like it was very kind like these guys had like the similar mos. They still had kind, were like fucked up in the head from the very beginning. There's still still a very troubling background too. It's just a pretty wild, both of these people had similar backgrounds and they wound up doing the same kind of thing.Was, De'Vannon: was this UK for Well, I'm, I'm, to some extent I'm pleased that eating people was a touch too far for him. He [00:24:00] just could not. Was he before Daher? During or after? Demi: Wondering 82. De'Vannon: Okay. I think Daher hit the news in like in the nineties. Mm-hmm. , they were doing currently. Demi: Okay. So this is 10 years before Daher, but actually around the same time. Cause I think Dahmer got started in 78, so Yeah. They were around the same time. De'Vannon: My lord Jesus. So, so I would wanted to issue like a word of warning, like in terms of like the, the danger of hooking up.Mm-hmm. . I just wanna like remind people that bad things do happen to people when they go behind closed doors with strangers. I get as really easy to go online and meet a fool and run off with them. I've done it and I think the sweet baby Jesus, that nothing bad ever happened, but I'm, I'm not arrogant to say that it, that it's not like it could have, It's not like I practiced discretion.I didn't tell anyone where I was going. [00:25:00] I didn't verify the person's name. I didn't verify that it was even their home that I was in. None of those things, I just trusted a stranger. . When I know like whenever people have like bad shit happen to them on hookups, usually they don't run around and tell it.Cuz everybody wants to make it seem like they have a super glorious sex life. Right. And what'll happen is when you're on these hookup apps, like that person who you always see in that square, suddenly you just won't see them anymore. Mm-hmm , that's kind of how that goes. So I'm just reminding y'all be careful.Cause in this show, some of the guys would look at a drink cuz Jeffrey would put used to put the fucking dope in the drink and they'd look at it and be like, this looks funny. And then they would just drink it anyway. Demi: Right. . So that also goes with just, just the naivete. People not knowing, people not thinking, you know, or just, eh, whatever, let's have fun, you know, whatever the case may be.Always . So I have, I have a friend who anytime that he goes somewhere, he always texts me to tell me where he is going. [00:26:00] I think it's great. It's wonderful to have a person that you, a little slot friend that you could just be like, Hey, I'm going to X this address , but you don't here, but by tomorrow I'm dead.You know, I got , I got bomber. So like, it, it's, it's very important to have those friends that you can talk to about this kind of stuff. And I think the whole purpose of like the stuff, what we do in our podcast and, and, and talking about this stuff openly and honestly, that this stuff does happen quite regularly to everyone and it is not doing anybody any good to just like, leave the stuff inside and to kind of like release that shame in a way to talk about it openly.To talk about, hey, this, here's how we can avoid this stuff. You know, what to look out for. You know, It's the same thing with, it's the same thing with true crime. It's like you, you. Wanna know more about what's happening to these people, because that helps us later on to like, kind of like be a little metos and be like, You know what, I, I don't, I know what's going on here.I need to [00:27:00] leave, You know, , De'Vannon: oh that makes me think of an Angela Langs very, who recently died rest in peace girl. She gave us murder she wrote, and the Venturian candidate , among Demi: other things, A little story by Angela Lansbury. I used to watch Bed ro, bed knobs and broomsticks when I was growing up, of course.But my grandma used to have a a bed, but in the room that I slept with that looked exactly like the bed from beds and broomstick. So every time I slept on that bed, I always felt like I was like riding through wherever with insulin landsbury, . De'Vannon: Well, you know what? She was a gay icon before. I realized that this such thing existed.Lame. I love the hair. I love the hair, the twist that she did. So, so you mentioned true crime. I know, I know you're considering this, like your true crime breakout, [00:28:00] so to speak. from this is, this is her breakout interview. So from the true crime aspect, like what would you like to say? What would you like to bring up? Like what's true crime to you? I mean, the whole damn thing is, but like, what, what do you, what do you wanna pick apart from it?Demi: Honestly, like I, I love true crime and I feel like the more we learn about this kind of darker aspect of humanity, the more we kind of. Bring this stuff back into light to talk about it openly, to share stories. And I, I think that has a lot to do with, like, I used to really suck at history in high school , but true crime has like kind of brought me more in line with, like, understanding history more.And I think the more that we understand history, the more we can we plan for the future. Mm-hmm. . So I think that is really kind of like coming full circle for me in a way to kinda like understand this from like that perspective, but also like to understand how, [00:29:00] how victims work and how like the police are so fucked up and, and how humans can just not always get things right.You know, we're, we're, we're full of problems, we're full of issues. We all make, we all make mistakes. We all make shit an shit decisions, you know, De'Vannon: we do. And sometimes it's because we. Or we are full of ourselves. You know, we get blindsided by our own desires, ambitions, and stuff like that. And think a little less about the other person than probably we.I don't like to use the word should very often, but in this case I'll say than we should I call for more compassion towards other people in this earth. I just wanna say that I'm super upset and mad and like bitter in my soul that I had [00:30:00] to wait till episode two for Evan Peters to take his fucking clothes off.I'm getting spoiled by American Horror stories. Like his s is always on his like literal bare s is always on the screen, but we got a little, almost kind of slight side dick or top. Two on this one. I was just saying girling, like,Demi: so you'd be, you'd be sending dahmer like letters in the mail, wouldn't you? De'Vannon: in exchange for nudes. Fuck it. Demi: Think what I got most excited for was Sean Brown, who was playing Tracy Edwards, who's the guy in the first episode who, who did the little sexy dance in order to escape from daher. I think that was brilliant.I think that was like a fantastic dramatization of what might have happened. I'm not sure if that actually happened, but holy shit. That was like in insane. That was, that was an [00:31:00] insane escape. I'm so happy that he got out and then he finally got caught. Props to Sean Brown for playing that He is completely me worthy.De'Vannon: they're coming. Oh, I, I made one. Did you see it? ? Yeah. . So, so Sean, if you're listening, you know, Demi's address is available and you, I, he is in Los Angeles, a, you know, Demi's in Los Angeles. So I think you should go do that dance for him. And so I love how, So episode one actually shows, like, like to me is saying, you know, this character escaping, running down the street, getting the police coming back, and Jeff Dahmers actually getting arrested.Mm-hmm. . And so the series actually kind of, it's like flash backy and then the trial is kind of precipitating and starting to happen throughout. And I thought that was very nicely done, right? [00:32:00] So I wanna talk about his parents. I wanna talk about his parents. I ain't hit a judge because, you know, I done done all kind of drugs.I never was a pill popper. I just sold it. No judgment though. So this, so y'all, when when, when Jeffrey's mom was pregnant with him, she was on like, I can't remember, 26, 26 pills a day. Okay. You know, then, you know, so there's speculation that perhaps that fucked him up because, you know, they never thought about it before.Because we hear about crack babies. I don't mean that derogatory, but that's the term people will recognize. Or people, you know, mother's drinking. You know, you can't buy a bottle of wine back of the label for whatever fucking reason in this country. We have to tell, we have to put it in print. If you're pregnant, you shouldn't have this bottle of wine bitch.And so like, but it never occurred to me, you know, somebody getting a legal prescription from their doctors could do the same sort of [00:33:00] damage with pills. Mm-hmm. . So that was like super eye opening for me. Demi: And it was also the, it was like the sixties. So I mean, it was a completely different time for pharmaceuticals.Like people were just like, Yeah, take this methadone, take this fucking shit, take whatever antipsychotic that, you know, cuz who cares? Cause we're all just making money off of it anyways. We're still to this day is same problem. We're just prescribing opiates to people that don't really need it because we're making money doing it.So it's the same kind of kind of thing the pharmaceutical company is like, is or the pharmaceutical biz is fucked up. But it just goes to show that like, yes, like this stuff does in a large quantity is due serious damage to us, to our bodies and to the bodies that might be living inside of us. It's, it's insane, but it was a different time.It was like the sixties, completely different time. So you [00:34:00] had a, They still thought, they still thought, they still thought smoking was healthy back then. You know, , De'Vannon: I somehow feel like this country hasn't come that long of a way sometimes we seem so damn primitive with the way we treat each other and the, some of the things people say and do.So this, you know, so we had this mom with the pills, his dad harbored desires, you know, in the, in the show with his dad confessed towards the end. You know what? I really wanted to murder people and I would imagine having done it, but I didn't say anything. And basically the two of them helped to produce this serial killer.And I was thinking, you know, people don't want, you know, queer folk to have kids and everything because they're afraid we're gonna ruin them and turn them in and ruin the moral fabric. But you know, we just got, you know, really our rights to really have a family really not that long ago. So the world's serial killers and murders and, you know, all of these notorious people came from heterosexual unions.I just really wanted to point that out.[00:35:00]Demi: right? That's not an argument. Cause obviously like people procreate and so heterosexuals procreate. Obviously you guys are also doing your part to create people of Daher status. You know, it's not, the argument is invalid, you know, when it comes De'Vannon: to that. Right? So I love all the, you know, the things like that, that this series brought out.You mentioned several times how shitty the cops were. Mm-hmm. , Let's get more granular with that. Now, Jeffrey was already convicted sex offender on parole. Right. I think he murdered the damn 14 year old. Mm-hmm. . But he was a brother. Yeah. Right. And so, so Niecy, Nash's character, Linda believe it was, was complaining.But, you know, she's black. Mm-hmm. , it's, you know, gay things happening. So the cops are showing up like, so this is a boyfriend, boyfriend thing, Right. We don't wanna Demi: get involved. There's De'Vannon: aids, you know. Yeah. We might catch it from like, walking in your [00:36:00] apartment and so and so and so. So, no, they took a very hands off approach to this.Jeffrey was white, N's character was black, and then the little boy was Asian. And so they, they just, they just believed the white boy. And so and then Niecy, you know, just, just kept calling and calling and calling, you know, at some point N'S character. She, she just was like, I, you know, I'm, I'm not gonna say what, what's your favorite line that, that N's character said?Demi: I'll eat it later.when Daher comes into her apartment, which I don't know why the fuck she would let him into her apartment. He brought a sandwich into the apartment with him and he gives it to her and he tells her Eat it. And she goes, I'm not eating that . And he goes, Eat it. And she goes, I'll eat it later. . [00:37:00]That was just so brilliant and just like so well done.It's so like powerful. Just like go right back at him with that aggression. Like, Oh my God, that was so great. De'Vannon: You know? Yeah. She didn't back down. She told him, I'm not afraid of you. Mm-hmm. , she had fear cuz the moment he left her apartment and closed the Doche gas and she broke down. But So Niecy nasty, Niecy nasty character.Lives right next door to Daher and Dahmers putting shit in people's food. To drug them. And so he had made a sandwich probably out of people in dope. I'm sure it was people Yeah, exactly. And thought she was going to eat it, and so and so. No, she wasn't having any of that. And I thought she was, I thought she, I thought her character was like probably the strongest next to, you know, to the reverend.I thought her character was probably the strongest, you know? Yeah. You know, like in, in internally. Yeah. Yeah. So my favorite line from her is [00:38:00] when at some point she told the cops, you know, she's like, Y'all came, but it's too late now. Demi: It's too De'Vannon: late. You got 17 dead people. I called y'all how many times . She, she read those cops for absolute bills.Yeah. But the fucked up part, the cops were only suspended from duty with pay. The two cops that were on that circuit, on that beat, you know, handling this, they were only suspended. With pay. And then they got reinstated and then they gave them rewards for like top of the fucking year. Demi: I know. And I, I did, I did write down one of their lines that they said when they were talking to their police chief, they sold their police Chief, You can't fire us.Trust me, we will be here long after you. Which is just like, it's so threatening to say that to your boss, first of all. And so just gross, Just gross humanity. And just that, that abuse of power is so insane. And I, it's [00:39:00] still like that police could not be held accountable, period. There's nothing to hold them accountable.De'Vannon: I feel like there's. Accountability is starting to trickle up. But what, what he was, what those two cops told him was true. Whatever the shit hits the fan, it's the police chief or somebody in a high position to go right. And they, they're not wrong about that. And they went, ran into the police union and, you know, hid behind them.I'm so, I had applied to become a cop with the Houston Police Department at one point before, became a drug dealer. I am, yeah. I'm so happy I became a drug dealer instead. Because there is more honor and credibility in pushing dope in all kinds of methamphetamine and narcotics. Than being a fucking police officer.Demi: I agree. , there's these so there's and Canadian native people there's a, a story that I, I'm gonna butcher this completely, but [00:40:00] there was these stories that were called like like Midnight, Midnight Drive or something like that. I'm gonna get that wrong. But anyways, these police officers would, would take up these, these Canadian native people, drive them out into like the middle of nowhere, and then have them like, take off their shoes and everything and like, have them walk back into town and they would never find the bodies and stuff.And they were these, you know, it, it, it's crazy. People didn't find out that they were doing this to, to these native people for years. When they finally did, nobody was held accountable, really. Like the police chief was the one that, that kind of like left. And even the Wikipedia page was changed from someone in the police department.They that. And it's like no one, you can pinpoint which desk it came from. Why did you not even think to do that? You know, they just didn't want to. There's nothing to like keep that because it would make them look bad essentially. And that's, [00:41:00] it sucks. It's a reality of the situation. De'Vannon: But whatever it's worth, I, I, from, from my spirituality, I believe that God is not mocked in whatever they, so they will reap as a human.I don't believe is for me to see this necessarily play out. I'm not j I'm not, and I'm just saying like, that's the piece that I make with it, right? That's my own version of that. And so I hope other people don't become bitter, you know, looking at, you know, police to think police do, and because the bitterness isn't going to help you.You know, it's very easy to watch a series like this or to turn on the news today. And it doesn't get angry. The anger is so valid, but I just hope people don't internalize it, you know? So I just wanna be Demi: proactive, you know, volunteer, you know, be, be active in, you know, [00:42:00] protesting you know, be, be vigilant and, you know, really call out these things when you see it.It's, it's, it's shocking. It's, it's crazy, but at the same time, it's not all that surprising to see that, Yeah, this stuff still happens.De'Vannon: I don't know if I, Maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should. Okay. I guess I will, since I said it that much. So, , so when, so there's a scene in here where Jeffrey, Jeffrey has a thing for mannequins and everything like that.Oh God. And so he goes into the store, kinda buys something, sneaks into the dressing room. And hangs out once they close. And then once the security guard leaves and they turn the lights off, he dashes out of the dressing room, Nas the mannequin, and of course is a nice chisel, male mannequin, all the ad right.Pulled everything going on. I have to confess, I've, you know, notice the, [00:43:00] the, the honks of the mannequins in the window. You know, that , that's why they make 'em that way. But I never was gonna take one home. So Jeffrey liked to get these mannequins and and. While I'm watching this, I'm having flashbacks from like Pose, which have absolutely nothing to do with this.Pose was super great. Also a whole nother, but again, another Ryan Murphy show, , another Ryan Murphy show, and also the first fucking episode of Pose, Season one, episode one. When a lecture in the House of Abundance go into the store, the Macy's or whatever they stay in for. Clothes hide everywhere. Come. They undressed the mannequin.Oh yeah. Clothes. They take the clothes and leave the mannequins. But I was, I don't know, it just reminded me of that. I was so happy to see one of those characters from Pose appear later on in the, in the series though, I think, I don't know, maybe his name was Danny and Pose one of the dancer guys. He was the dark chocolate one.Oh, right, right. Dos . [00:44:00]Demi: So, I mean, Ryan Murphy does like to work with the same actors, and I, that's, I think that's why he's taking a liking to Evan Peters, because Evan Peters is a great actor and he did such an amazing job with, with this role. As far as the mannequin goes, I have a confession. De'Vannon: No mannequin is safe.No mannequin is safe. Demi: Not mannequin. No, but I was, I was the only child. I, I didn't really have, I was, I was, you know, a little older than some of the kids on the block. So I was a little lonely at times. I kind of wished I had a brother or a friend around and I didn't really have one. I, I did occasionally build a friend.Out of pillows and my own clothes, and keep 'em on my De'Vannon: bed.Demi: It's a very weird thing that I did as a kid. My mom never batted an eye at this though. , It was very strange. I would give them [00:45:00] names. I would just, you know, this was just like, this is my friend that I've built. And so I kind of related to Daher in that, in that aspect of just like, Oh my God, this is so weird to keep this, this thing I, this, this form in my bed.You know? I never told that to another person, by the way. So everybody knows all this weird secret about De'Vannon: me, . Okay. I can confess something that I did, and I don't judge you for that, but you saying that reminds me of when I was in the Air Force and I left home when I was 17 and I could not relate with people coming from the country, coming from the Pentecostal background and, and I didn't know how to make friends and I didn't know.I got, I had this, I got this orange monkey. He was like a, a bright orange, You might call him like a curious Georgie thing, but he was like neon orange. And I would take him places with me, and now I'm 17, 18, you know, I have a car. I'm not really grown, but I'm older. And I, I would strap him into the front seat and put like [00:46:00] on him and drive him around because I couldn't find a fucking friend.You know, there was no, there was no grinder, there was none of that. You couldn't go online and find a friend. You had to go out and physically meet people. And I was 17. I wasn't old enough to go to any bars or anything. I was fucked, you know? And I wasn't in college, I was in, I was in a grown man's world in the military.I do not recommend going to the military at 17. So, no. Yeah, we built person. I went to toys us and bought mine. Fuck it. You know, , we all had our mixture of friends. Yeah. Demi: And, and you know, it's, It's not all that shocking, you know, it's, it is shocking in the context of like Daher, but at the same time, it's not all that shocking for people to just be lonely.De'Vannon: Right. And, and he was lonely. Lone did, Jeffrey was lonely cuz his parents not only walked away from him, but they didn't really teach him, you know they didn't really [00:47:00] teach him. Like, I don't feel like my parents taught me about sex, about life. You know, Jeffrey did not understand what it meant to be a homosexual.You know, when cops would show up, he would be like, we're doing gay things, you know porn, you know, to him it's like something, Homosexuality is something that you do. It's an action rather than who you are. Right? So, So, you know, the, he was he in that, in that aspect, I'll say the poor thing was misguided.I feel like so many of us gays are, you know, I wish someone would say, Hey, here's how you be in this world. You know,I wanna talk about post traumatic stress of disorder, . Okay. Like you said, gal NE's character was, is, was, is an alga amalgamation check of of all the people in the building. So by the end of the series, y'all the [00:48:00] people in this building where this boy then chopped up and cooked and filet and sauteed.These people just cannot. Okay? They have to go sleep downstairs in the hall because everybody's having nightmares. And flashbacks thinking, Jeffrey's coming for them, hearing the same sounds and shit. This is just like a veteran coming back from war. Right. Okay. People who barely escaped from him are having flashbacks.These people's families are getting harassed by the fucking police and shit. What? What? The PTSD as something that shocked me and I had never considered before. Demi: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the victims aren't the only victims in this. It's the people that actually were in that building. It's the people who had to find the bodies who, you know, the people who actually working the crime scene and stuff.The people who were just the neighbors, you know, the people who lived in that, in that neighborhood. Those are all victims. Those are people that knew all this stuff was happening. [00:49:00] I think what the city Des decided was the right thing to do was just to knock down the building completely and erase it, which I think is the wrong thing to do.And I think Glenda was doing the right thing by fighting for this park in this plaque to commemorate the names of the victims of people. And I think that's a really important thing. And at the very end of the show you, you realize that it's still not there. So I think it's really, I think it'll bring up an interesting commentary to this, especially just because of this year and the kind of last couple years that we've been having in order to really do some good in this world, is to bring light onto things that were once dark, rather than just De'Vannon: make them disappear.That's like whitewashing it in a way. Like, you know, you know, I love, I love me, some white dick and all of that, but. White people can do things like try to just make problems disappear and shit. Mm-hmm. like what we see demonstrating here, [00:50:00] because historically white people have held at the power, you know, in this country, they've had the power to do it.Control the narrative, rewrite history, the where the fuck you wanna do, bad shit happen over there. We'll call it Murder House from American Horror Story couldn't get any worse. You know, bad shit happened. We'll just tear it down and we'll just act alike, you know, we'll just move on now. But like, like, like the reverend Jesse Jesse Jackson said in there, you know, we're not gonna let you just give us peaceful words like healing and hope, and everything's gonna be okay, which is another way of saying, let's just forget about it.Right? Demi: That's not how you deal with, with trauma. , you know, actually processing those emotions learning to stand in it and not be affected by it. Learning how to kind of move within it rather than just forget about it. Cuz as we all know, and we just pushed into the back of our minds, they always have a nice, lovely way of coming right back up into weird, do weird things to our psyche, [00:51:00] you know?So yeah, all those people, I'm sure I, I, I hope have gotten help through the years. But I still think that there still needs more to be done culturally, especially when it comes to like, people who are victims, who are horrible victims such as this. De'Vannon: And like, and, and you mentioned, I mean, all traumas like that.I mean, you said it best. I'm just gonna say trauma goes in, is he has to come back out. It won't just dissipate. And you mentioned earlier about, you know, you asked me like, would I be one of the ones writing letters to, to Jeff in the mail since I think he has a nice ass and d print. So in the series, y'all, this, this part grossed me out and I hope I was gross top in the nonjudgmental way because I don't like to judge anyone for anything.Okay. Jeff had a, had a, had, has a following. They started making Halloween costumes and shit. There was a comic, his [00:52:00] dad wrote a book. People started writing him letter, sending him money. It's kind of Trumpy . Demi: Oh. He was trying to profit off of what happened and like, being the father of the killer, you know, I think that's so messed up.And I think it was right for the victims, for the families of the victims to pursue that in court. And did, did they win? I, I believe they did Eventually. They, they want, they lost the first time, but they did. And yeah, that money should go to the victims. It should not go to the fucking dude. Like dad.That's insane. Like, my god, De'Vannon: not only, no, but hell nah. I couldn't believe he had the balls to do that. Like, I could have seen if he wrote it for cathartic healing reasons, maybe shared it with the family or whoever Demi: requested Yeah. Set up for like non-profit or something. Like just, Yeah, like, just don't, That's it's so selfish and it's very Trumpy for sure.De'Vannon: Yeah. They're in their [00:53:00] toasting margaritas, you know, and shit over the, over the book deal , you know, everything like that with no concern for people. So then Jeff had copycats people, Sorry, do mimic him and everything like that. And it. Makes me very concerned for the, for the mental state of the world.Because as old as this crime is, it's not like mental health. I don't feel like it's improved. Right. Treatment has gotten better, but people are still like, not all there . Right. Not as good as they could be. Demi: Completely. Do we have any final De'Vannon: thoughts? I do. I have, I, the, the last two things that I would like to bring up was the way the whole unforgiveness, bitterness thing that, that went from DC Nas character.Mm-hmm. , the guy who murdered him in jail, who felt like he was a right to hand of God and everything like that. And then Jeffrey's baptism and [00:54:00] repentance before that. Right. Do you think the repentance is real? For, for me. Like I was saying earlier, I, I don't want people to get into this space of thinking like we have space to judge anyone.I don't care how terrible it is. Right? It's like if somebody's like a monk, you know, in certain religions they feel like all life is sacred. So they would never, like say, step on a roach, Okay, we'll step on a roach, kill a spider in a fucking heartbeat. Cuz we view it as a threat or just gross or whatever.But if somebody goes to murder an elephant for their ivory, you know, then we're like, Oh no. How could you, I'm not justifying the murder of the elephants, but I'm saying like, if we get judgey, that monk could judge you for stepping on the roach. So I want people to be careful how they tread, because these people in jail, especially the guy that killed him, just couldn't, He was so offended by what he had done.He was like, I did bad shit, but it wasn't as bad as yours, so I'm running to kill you now. Mm-hmm.[00:55:00]Demi: obviously that guy had some mental problems and he became obsessed with this thing and, and obviously he had a very. Active vendetta against Dahmer for whatever reason. For many reasons I'm sure. But I think when it comes to forgiveness, I think it's important to forgive if not only for the sake of others, but for the sake of ourselves.When I mean, you don't have to forgive a person, you don't have to forget either. But I think in order for us to kinda like move on from like trauma like this, it is kind of important to be like, just forgive the situation. You know, just to kind of like allow some release of some way. You don't have to forgive the person, but just forgive the situation for what happened.And I think that's one way to do it. Perhaps the best way, I don't know, whatever works for you, like, whatever, it's [00:56:00] through religion, finding forgiveness through that, which I'm not sure if that was fully , I'm sure if that was fully authentic of, of Doward to kind of go through that. At the end, maybe he finally felt bad for the situation cuz I mean he was very aware, he was very self-aware of what was going on.He was just like, I, I just don't know how to control this. And, but maybe that was a way for him to kind of like, move through it. But at the same time, he also had some narcissistic tendencies at the very, when he started getting fan mail and stuff, he started getting a big head, you know, . Cause I, I really don't know where to place that, but I think in, for forgiveness to really happen, some sort of like forgiveness within needs to happen first.De'Vannon: True. I feel like if he meant his repentance that he, he had the priest commander baptize him and everything, I think just like Jesus did on the cross, and I think Jesus had a murder and a thief up there with him. Yeah. You know, Jesus said that He'll forgive you for anything with the exception of Blast Fing the [00:57:00] Holy Ghost, which is like a, something that I don't think most of us even know how to do, to be quite honest.But and a lot of people might not care Demi: to die. How do we do that? ? Can you tell us step by stepDe'Vannon: They create Little Holy Ghosts and Blast femurs. researched it. I've been there, researched it because I was like, How do you even, I think it has something to do with a very deep and like, kind of like rejection of, of, of God on like, like a, on like a super, super, super, super, super deep. Level that it's, it's very hard to explain and I, and I don't really, I I can't explain it to you cuz even though I've read it, I'm like, okay, I'm reading this and I was trying to read this, trying to understand that the original culture of the Middle East where this came from, and I'm all like, I don't know, this is like a deep, deep, deep level of [00:58:00] disrespect.And if, if you, if you're this, this adverse towards, towards the Holy Ghost, you would probably know. And this is beyond like, well I'm undecided on God or I don't know if I'm gonna believe in him. This is like this is like a Rast rant thing and I cannot explain it because I don't know how to blast feed the Holy Ghost.And after reading it, I just know, okay, I ain't done that and I never will because that's like really far out. Right? You do. So, so so I would just say people watch the show. I don't know if this may be cathartic for people who, whose family members have been murdered on any level to watch other people go through it.I think that there's some healing to be found in it. So watch it the seat and see what you can get out of it. Demi: I would say or not, if you're not comfortable with that kind of stuff, don't, because it's, it's not, it's not for everyone [00:59:00] and I think it might, obviously it brought up a lot of conversation, especially online about victims and all that stuff.If you're not comfortable in that, it might not be good for you to watch. On the other hand, those who aren't probably not that sensitive to it or perhaps have done some sort of, you know, work in, in this, in that kind of realm to be sure you're able to like handle the kind of things, which I thought I was very.Open to this type of stuff. I was like, really gung ho The moment I was like, Yeah, let's watch Daher. Everyone's talking about it, let's do it. That first episode had me like, Oh my God, I can't, I gotta wait. I gotta wait a day. , you know, I gotta watch a comedy after this. I gotta watch it stand up or something.Cause I, I don't think it's for everyone, but I think it's for a specific type of person. I think it, there is some sort of healing in it as well. But also it's a lot of like more learning from, in my opinion. [01:00:00]De'Vannon: Well, if anyone needs a friend or to talk to us about anything that you may come across. We're not mental health professionals, but we do.We are life professionals and we have lived through some experiences. My website is Sex Drugs in jesus.com, and that's where you can reach me. All my information is there, video1836075140: baby. Demi: And mine's dimitri wild.com. But before we let you go, shall we do a little round of red flags? De'Vannon: Yes. Demi: All right. All right. Number one red flag.They keep an mysterious oil drum in their bedroom.De'Vannon: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he did, he did have a, a red or an oil drum in his bedroom, , and we know enough to know, well, there are the body's in there, but , you know, then they didn't have so much television and, you know, the sharing of knowledge. But yeah, there was [01:01:00] that Demi: red flag for sure. Their apartments smelled like dead animals.De'Vannon: That was a red flag, which Jeffrey always explained the way is rotten meat in the refrigerator. , Demi: they have a fish De'Vannon: tank,but most people haven't smelled a dead decaying corpse. So most people have a frame of reference. But this is not just like, You, you just ran or just had one of those days where you're feeling not so fresh this year?Demi: Wait, you're still talking about the dead animals? . De'Vannon: This is beyond that. So yeah, beyond that it was Thank a Dan. Demi: Dan. Exactly. They have a fish tank.De'Vannon: Well, I suppose I don't see so much fishes around anymore. I don't with a fish tank anymore, but I don't think that that would be a red flag unless all the fish are dead. Which I [01:02:00]think a couple of his were, Yeah, Demi: beta. The beta fish that fight.How about if they live with their grandmother? Red flag? De'Vannon: Depends on the nature of it. You know, if he owns the house. And he's, and he's Sha letting Granny Shack with him then? No. But at that age, and it doesn't have to be, If somebody's going through hard times, I would not judge them for that. But when Granny's coming down, throwing shade and reading Jeffrey for a filth and like clearly, okay, run bitch granny don't like, can, cannot deal with her own grandchild.Why should you And Granny called too. Granny was strong too. Was strong, you know, She was like, Hell no, I'm not leaving, bitch, this is my house.Demi: Last one, they order liver and onions at [01:03:00] dinner.De'Vannon: Growing up in the south we had liver and onions all the time, but it was cow liver. That tip my knowledge, not peopleDemi: I don't think I'd, I don't think I'd like anyone who ordered liver at dinner. Like it would be like weird. It's just gross. De'Vannon: Well, out there in California, y'all don't have southern cuisines, so you don't have like grit, You don't have that. Yeah. Greens and, you know, and shit like that. Maybe if you go down to Roscoe's Chicken and waffles, you might find something close to that.But other than that, you know, something, half the shit we eat down here, you'd probably be like a red flag. Oh Lord, a pig. Lift a pig, lift a pigs foot. Oh hell no. I'm not about to get cut up in this motherfucker. I'm out. . Demi: Yeah, I mean I'm, I definitely grew up in Southern California, so I grew up on like, you know, chicken in pork, but like, that's about as far weird as I got, you know, [01:04:00] liver, not so much.De'Vannon: But they say it's super good for you. It tasted lean. I can't, I don't know that anybody ever became morbidly obese off of eating liver out of all the things that we ate that probably came around in the, like a lower 10%. It's not like I saw it a whole hell of a lot. And I haven't seen it in years, you know, now.But after this show here, maybe people will stop using, eating it all together. Right. Demi: Well that's all the red flags I have. , I guess. Thanks for everyone for tuning in. This has really been really fun. Thanks to Van for doing this with me, This little collab that we got going on. De'Vannon: Thank you. Go for agreeing to come on and for and, and for pushing me to, you know, to get it.I was trying to like, You know, I was like, I can be such a procrastinator, but you know, when Dimi makes up her mind, y is going get done. And I Absolut love [01:05:00] it. She was like, Yes, let's do this shit now. And I was like, Oh, Demi: like what are you doing November? I'm like this is Halloween, girl. This is Halloween.Well again, thank you for doing this with us. Thanks for listening everyone, and we'll see you next time. Bye bye. I.De'Vannon: Thank you all so much for taking time to listen to the Sex Drugs and Jesus podcast. It really means everything to me. Look, if you love the show, you can find more information and resources at SexDrugsAndJesus.com or wherever you listen to your podcast. Feel free to reach out to me directly at DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com and on Twitter and Facebook as well.My name is De'Vannon, and it's been wonderful being your host today. And just remember that everything is gonna be right. 

CharRon chats with Blogger,Poet, Podcaster, Author, queer, Content creator, artist, former drag dancer(there is more. so, go to his website,demitriwylde.com) Demi Wylde.  We discuss his poetry journey.  His two poetry books: Bitter Blue Pill & All Was Nothing in the Time of Champions. We even talk about living HIV positive.    Instagram: Demi Wylde - Demitriwylde CharRon Smith - Iambiczine  

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Boo! What are you afraid of? This week J. Maceo and Demi Wylde discuss 5 ways you can deal with fear in your own life. What truly scares you? Are you afraid of expressing yourself? How about examining the deeper meaning of your fears? And what can you exchange those fears for instead? This bonus mini episode of #CosmicInsights is brought to you by that monster that lies under your bed. If you like this episode, please be sure to rate it, comment, and subscribe to this channel for more. Godspeed, Starseeds! J. Maceo on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2n8UGW8EvO0wxiwqseTu1D?si=_derq-3KTQinWEseLkrXNA&utm_source=copy-link Check us out on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDqouiSl2TyKyJl7rARKp4_YqQmapAx1z Full Podcast Episodes: acosmicjourneypod.buzzsprout.com You can now submit articles, send us memes, or chat with us in our official Facebook group - “Starseed Central”: https://www.facebook.com/groups/321018185996577 Social media: Instagram: @acosmicjourneypod Twitter: @acosmicjournpod Instagram: @demitriwylde Twitter: @demitriwylde TikTok: @demitriwylde Instagram: @j.maceomusic Twitter: @J_MaceoMusic Music: "Power" by J. Maceo. Sound effects are licensed under creative commons and are mixed, altered, and used for creative purposes only. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/acosmicjourneypod/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/acosmicjourneypod/support

Greetings, Starseeds! This week we have a lot to talk about like Dave Chappele's newest Netflix special “The Closer,” the astrology forecast for 10/11-10/17, a shaman woman boiling bear piss, getting a felony for not returning a VHS tape, a couple's happy COVID wedding at the Canadian border, Twitter's freakout over an abandoned Alaksan Mcdonald's, weird technology that maps your emotional responses in order to sell you things, and erasing bad memories with neuroscience! Plus we take a deep dive into a black hole (KUH-SPLASH!) to attend a spiritual strip club with our guest, Chelz Cora! Show notes: https://www.acosmicjourneypod.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDqouiSl2TyKyJl7rARKp4_YqQmapAx1z "Starseed Central": https://www.facebook.com/groups/321018185996577 Social media: Instagram: @acosmicjourneypod Twitter: @acosmicjournpod Demi: Instagram, Twitter, TikTok: @demitriwylde J.: Instagram: @j.maceomusic, Twitter: @J_MaceoMusic J. on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2n8UGW8EvO0wxiwqseTu1D?si=_derq-3KTQinWEseLkrXNA&utm_source=copy-link Guests: Chelsea Cora: https://www.chelseacora.com/ The Soulful Self Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-soulful-self-podcast/id1557938300 Instagram: @chelz.cora Music: “Superepic” by Alexander Nakarada “Rumble” by Ben Sound “Energy” by Bensound “Megaepic” by Alexander Nakarada Sound effects are mixed using copyright free sound effects, music is licensed under Creative Commons and used for educational, satire, and creative expression purposes under The Fair Use Act of 1976. A Cosmic Journey, Demi and J., Demi Wylde, J. Maceo, Cosmic News, J.'s Cosmic Insights --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/acosmicjourneypod/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/acosmicjourneypod/support

Writer, podcaster, and self-proclaimed sexual deviant, Demi Wylde, comes on the show to talk about topics ranging from astrology to starseeds to forgiveness. He discusses his journey from growing up in a strictly Christian environment to forging his own pathway to spiritual truth through exploring the occult and other metaphysical alternatives. Demi shines his light bright for other starseeds, spiritual seekers, and fellow members of the lgbtqia+ community. Listen for lots of spiritual insight, wisdom, and entertainment!Follow Demi on IG: https://www.instagram.com/demitriwylde/Check out Demi's website: https://demitriwylde.wixsite.com/website Resources mentioned: Angel EyedealismFollow The Soulful Self Podcast on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thesoulfulselfpodcast/

INTRODUCTION:You have not one but two beautiful chocolate men in this episode! My guest today is J. Maceo and he is one half of the duo that hosts the starlit podcast: A Cosmic Journey With Demi And J along with the ever fabulous Demi Wylde. J is an accomplished singer-songwriter and ex-preacher based in Los Angeles California -my favorite city. J has lived a full life and from that life he has plenty of spiritual and metaphysical insight that can help you out along your journey. In this episode we get an impromptu live music performance from J as he sings to us while he strums his guitar. J has a sound that is somehow both new and nostalgic and in a single song he'll take you from the Texas church pews of his youth with gospel buzzing in the air to the inner recesses of his heart, twisting like California canyons and thick with true tales of breakups and breakthroughs. There isn't anything more I need to say here. I enjoyed the fuck out of this interview and I hope you do to!INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to):·        Live music performance from J. Maceo!·        Addiction and Sobriety·        Trauma Bonding ·        Running Meditation Explanation ·        Hypnotherapy ·        Baptist Bullshit·        Gratitude ·        A Positive Affirmation I Learned From Louise Hay·        J's Five C's to Help You Raise Your Vibration:             - Consciousness             - Conversation             - Company             - Carry             - Creativity CONNECT WITH J:Website - https://linktr.ee/J.MaceoPodcast - https://www.acosmicjourneypod.com/FaceBook - https://www.facebook.com/J.MaceoMusic/Twitter – https://twitter.com/j_maceomusicInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/j.maceomusic/Music on Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/artist/2n8UGW8EvO0wxiwqseTu1DMusic on Apple - https://music.apple.com/us/artist/j-maceo/1532580255 TRANSCRIPT:  [00:00:00] You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to. And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right. At the end of the day, my name is Davanon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world. As we dig into topics that are too risky for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your.[00:00:24] There was nothing on the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.[00:00:34] [00:00:34] De'Vannon: All right, Jay, thank you so much for coming on this X drags and Jesus' podcast today, we show sexy chocolate. So it's so much fun. Is he another, um, ball black man, or they, um, say it in one of my favorite movies? White chicks.[00:00:56] J. Maceo: Well, it's funny you say that because what I was thinking of, I was [00:01:00] looking at everything you're younger than me. You're like a prettier version than me. What if they were ever to play a Hollywood story? You'd be the younger version of me. [00:01:12] De'Vannon: I, you know, I'll do it too. I mean, I'm 38, about to be 39. So 43. I, um, am all about that life, honey, you know, black don't crack.[00:01:24] Are you going to be looking fabulous, but as, [00:01:26] J. Maceo: uh, I hope so. [00:01:29] De'Vannon: And so. Yeah, this is Jay Macio. He co-hosts the cosmic journey podcast with, um, Dimmi who was on my show before. So this is basically like a tag team. Jimmy had his way with me and now Jay, to get, to get the sloppy seconds. And I couldn't be more thrilled to, uh, be a part of that.[00:01:52] Oreo. I love it. Yeah. Okay. So Jay, tell us, um, some of [00:02:00] your inspiration, your, your history and your background and some of your struggles. [00:02:07] J. Maceo: Wow. Where does that start? So, uh, well I grew up, uh, black and gay a closet in, uh, Houston, Texas, uh, which uses a big city, but it's a big city in the city. So there was a lot of hiding, a lot of shame.[00:02:21] I grew up in the church, which was on one hand comforting. Uh, and I learned a lot from those experiences. On the other hand, I had to had to hide a lot, uh, who I was and that sort of thing. But I, you know, I loved church when I was young, uh, loved going, loved the music and that sort of thing. And I think musically, a lot of my inspiration does come from that.[00:02:44] Uh, but, uh, you know, I had a lot of struggles with depression as a kid, just, uh, wow. And I think a lot of it came from being gay and hiding them. And my father wondering, was that the issue, like, did he, was that really [00:03:00] gay or not? Um, and you know, fast, a little bit, you know, we talked about, uh, some of my struggles before and alcohol started to play a very good role in making me feel like just okay, Uh, so I, you know, had alcohol for, you know, for years abused, alcohol abuse, other substances, uh, you know, and been, I had been in and out of program, uh, like AA and that sort of thing.[00:03:29] Uh, now I've currently been away from everything for five years, uh, which is huge for a dude like me, but I'll tell you this, that no matter what I've gone through, I've learned from,[00:03:44] De'Vannon: okay. That's what it's all about. I want you to tell me, um, what you learned about being an ex preacher. [00:03:52] J. Maceo: Wow. Uh, the prejudice of people too. Um, that's one of [00:03:57] De'Vannon: the, it's hard to tell these days. [00:04:00] [00:04:02] J. Maceo: No, I hear you. I mean, it's, it's funny, uh, prejudice. I knew cust um, [00:04:08] De'Vannon: what denomination were you were a preacher in a Baptist.[00:04:13] Yeah, they cuss. That's not all it did to who did. That's what I said. That's not all they did to [00:04:19] J. Maceo: no, you're right. So, and I, it's funny, what I learned was I learned to kind of walk a line because there was church me and there was outside of church, me and I feel like, you know, on Sundays, uh, and on Tuesday night for Bible study, I was one person.[00:04:39] And then when I left, I was completely different. Like in full German, I fashioned a completely different person, a couple of things that I did learn, uh, from, uh, from my preaching days, especially in my church that I went to. So my uncle, when I moved here, I went to a church. My uncle was, he still lives the pastor there.[00:04:58] Um, and [00:05:00] he. Challenged my thinking in a lot of ways, the way he looked at reading the Bible, I mean, he would pick it apart. You know, what's the Greek org, what's the Hebrew words they're written in different languages. He would go to, you know, what was the context, the culture of the situation. And so I learned to look at things, a lot of things through, through context and not just at face value.[00:05:22] I think that's a huge, huge thing that I learned. Um, I learned a lot of spirituality I'd say from my uncle because, uh, he was definitely, you know, cooler than my parents. I moved out here at 16 and my parents had that tight grip and my uncle was like, Hey, go discover life. Be, you know, be who you are, you know, be, you know, just go out and discover stuff.[00:05:46] And so through the, through the preaching, I learned a different way of looking at things. Um, I think I learned how to be connected. To something greater than myself, someone, [00:06:00] something greater than myself, uh, which helps me now on a daily basis. And I learned, uh, you know, I, I love the saying that another, uh, guy who was a preacher said, he said, don't take yourself too seriously, take what you do seriously, but don't take yourself so seriously.[00:06:18] Uh, so [00:06:19] De'Vannon: yeah, I hear you on that now. Um, Houston is a big city. That's where I was a drug dealer ad and that's where I became addicted to all my vices. Uh, yeah, I, um, uh, that's why I went to jail. That's why I was homeless and everything like that. Houston is a, Houston is a motherfucker motherfucker. [00:06:41] J. Maceo: I never experienced it as an adult.[00:06:45] You [00:06:45] De'Vannon: know, it's great for people, as long as you're not like, you know, want hit by lightning, you know, the police and shit like, like me, I can't like. I'm not currently wanted by police in Houston, [00:07:00] but I am banned from Bank of America for life. So no, you know, it happen, you know, in my twenties and yeah.[00:07:14] And I thought it was so interesting how you and, um, Demi came to be co-host because he was saying like, he interviewed you for the show that he had, and then he was so inspired by you that you ended up being a co-host. So, you know how incredible the kick ass, you have to be like the best guest ever.[00:07:37] Cause it, and this and this community people like there is, um, there is, um, quality of host, then there's quality of guests as well. And then. Um, and so, and so for you to have had been that good to be like, not just, Hey, I'm going to give you a raving review, but to come host this show, [00:07:59] J. Maceo: I [00:08:00] think we vibed off of each other, you know, in one, in one case it can be great hosts or great guests.[00:08:06] But I think in this, like this in a lot of areas of life, sometimes there's just a, a vibe that's there. And I love that there's a vibe and a flow. And I think we had that, uh, that day, but I I'd say now we have a, we have a good chemistry, [00:08:22] De'Vannon: right? It's so that, let me start, go back to the preaching thing. Now I spent some time in seminary.[00:08:27] You don't have to go to seminary to be a preacher. Um, in fact, like the Southern religions, like the Baptist and the Pentecostals really don't have from, from my experience and exposure to them that have regard for people who do go to school to learn how to preach, you know, they look at them as less authentic.[00:08:45] Well, I mean a ministry. And, um, so I went into seminary because that's what I was caught up in at the time I didn't stay because of the seminary was about bullshit. I came to learn that I'm curious as to why you are an ex preacher [00:09:00] and not steal a preacher, what happened? [00:09:02] J. Maceo: Sure. And I'll say this, that, I mean, in the churches that I went to were really big on education.[00:09:09] Uh, and I know that's not true with a lot of places. I do hear what you're saying about the authentic stuff, but, uh, in addition to the seminary, my uncle had a, um, uncle's last pastor had a, uh, a group that he, a conference that he had every year that went over a lot of those things that was kind of like a, um, an addition to seminary, like something that's with like a conference to teach preachers and teachers, uh, different things about, you know, context and culture and, uh, and doctorate and a lot of those things and help them with tools to, to, uh, to preach more of effectively.[00:09:43] But why am I excited? It's it's funny. I can loop this back to, uh, so part of it, I was thinking I'm like, which part do I say first part of it was that struggle, man, that struggle of I'm gay, but I have to hide this. I think [00:10:00] that's part of why I didn't go to seminary, uh, was because I knew I'd be immersed in a life and it wouldn't just be Sunday and Tuesday and maybe another day of the week, it would be one of those all day things.[00:10:11] So there was a separation between me and a lot of the other preachers who did, you know, go to school and go, go through that. Uh, but what happened? I remember, and I was good at preaching. I studied a lot. I was, I enjoyed it. I loved, I loved it while I was there. Uh, but then I ran back to have a different life.[00:10:31] So there was this, when they call me Reverend, and then there was when I was going out to, you know, I, I feel bad because they raised an offering here. I'm I am answering the question, but I just thought about this. They would raise an offering when you breached, uh, back then. And every time I'd be like, I'm going to get some books and I'm going to, you know, use this to, for some great stuff.[00:10:51] And that meant I would have to use that to, you know, go get my alcohol, they'll get drugs because of just the, the [00:11:00] feelings that were going on inside. And there was something in that when I, when I preached that, I felt like it touched people, but sometimes it felt like they're getting touched from this, but I don't feel like I am was a huge, huge thing for me.[00:11:15] But when I stopped preaching, I remember my first boyfriend, uh, we, he was, he was complete atheist. So I remember one time I went to preach. And he's like, ah, I'll come to your make-believe thing and, you know, come hear you preach. If you want me to do your little Jesus thing. And the weirdest thing is while, while I felt good that he would even come because of, you know, his beliefs, I started thinking, holy shit, like he comes, who do I say he is?[00:11:47] And what do I do? And I started spinning out about him coming to hear me preach because then my two worlds would collide. And from that moment on, I felt like I didn't need to be doing anything that would make me [00:12:00] have to hide my partner. We're not together anymore, but I feel like that I want it to be more authentic in my life in general.[00:12:08] So I think that's one thing that, uh, one reason. [00:12:13] De'Vannon: Right. That was going to be my next question was like, how did you reconcile, preaching with being a member of the alphabet community, but you did answer that. [00:12:20] J. Maceo: Yeah, well, you know, and I know there's a lot of, one thing I was fortunate with. I know a lot of people, uh, LGBT people to alphabet.[00:12:29] I love that, but I know there are a lot of us who, uh, went to places where they told him, you know, you're going to hell if you're gay. And I was our church, you know, surgeons that I went to were more like, you know, free grace, you know, you believe. And, you know, and you're, you know, quote unquote, save the, the good part about that.[00:12:49] As I knew that I was just someone with what I considered back then a struggle, uh, the bad news is, you know, what, that whole free grace thing, I was like, I can do whatever the hell I want, you know?[00:13:00] [00:13:02] De'Vannon: Right. Uh, we gotta be careful with our liberties so that they don't consume us. But what you were saying about like your one preacher who was, um, In his interpretation and explain and above, we'll get it into the context of the culture of the time when the original Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic. Um, that's something that I preach constantly on this show to people.[00:13:22] And I'll be getting that in my blog because it is crucial. Uh, you know, we understand fully the word for ourselves. And so whatever we're going to read through whatever kind of texts, I don't care for what country or nation it is, is important to understand. And what is really being said. And especially in its original languages, before we go and change our lives over it, or let somebody tell us what we ought to be doing or beat us over the head.[00:13:47] Um, I'm doing actually a three-part series with, uh, Reverend Marcia Ledford, um, who is, um, a strong LGBTQ [00:14:00] advocate. She's married to her wife and everything like that. We're focusing on, you know, the biblical call clobber passages that they always try to come for us with and everything. I thought it was that important.[00:14:10] Yeah, I actually do three, three whole episodes dedicated to breaking that shit down and actually understanding what it is. And so, so y'all stay tuned for that. That just made me think about all that. I can't wait to hear that, but you see, I got, I got kicked out of church for being LGBTQ, so there's like a very hot button with me.[00:14:33] That's the next blog. I'm getting ready to release on my website too, because you know, they really had me fucked up, but you know, I was, I wasn't trying to beat no bitches. I asked that day, so I just left quietly. I didn't want to have to lay it. Lady's hands on the mother thought that was, but you know, I'm a different person now.[00:14:51] I still love Jesus, but I'm a little bit, little bit more realistic about the way I approach it. So, um, [00:15:00] so, so podcasts, cosmic attorney with the DME and Jay, uh, on the podcast, you have a lot. Advice for self-improvement, you've done a lot of self study, self search, and I can attest from being in the sober community myself, when you've been addicted to something and gotten carried away with it.[00:15:18] And then you start to sober journey. A lot of the focus is on self-improvement, what you can do to better your self. And so, um, there's many different types of interpretations of sobriety, but they do all, I think, come down to self-improvement. And so you have a lot of interesting insight in techniques and stuff that you bring up.[00:15:40] So we're going to talk about some of those, the one you were talking about, something called running meditation. And when I heard this, my ears perked up, because I've never, I'd never heard it. Anybody talk about meditation and like an active state, which you said that you were uncomfortable with sitting still and listening to your thoughts.[00:15:58] And a lot of people are that way. And a lot of [00:16:00] people can't sit still and do meditation. So what is running meditation? And, you know, it's [00:16:03] J. Maceo: funny, I'll tell you now I do this still meditation also. I've learned it. I did it this morning for about 20 minutes. Uh, and that's when people, so I think, uh, you know, people look at meditation as you have to do it one way or you're doing it wrong.[00:16:19] And I think, you know, back to, uh, you know, if you look at the recovery community, there's one of the steps that, you know, talks about, uh, getting conscious contact with God or your higher power through prayer and meditation. And I always tell everybody the kind of crux of that isn't prayer or meditation, it's conscious contact.[00:16:37] So I look at my meditation, can't be wrong if it brings me into conscious contact when something greater than me. So my running meditation, what I would do when I ran, I would. And all of a sudden I would feed myself with positive the whole way. You know, I feed myself, I'm loving. I am kind. I am, [00:17:00] because whenever you attach, I am too is like, that's okay.[00:17:03] Powerful two words. And that's what we become. That's what we act like. So just running right. I'm wealthy. I live in a friendly universe. I'm in all this. I played through my head over and over again on a loop saying it to myself as I ran. And what would happen was, as I said that, and my heart's beating fast.[00:17:20] I get an elevated emotion. There's something. I think that happened when you have a thought and mix that with an elevated, positive emotion. I think there's something magical had happened where we draw what we're trying to manifest to, uh, to ourselves. So I would do that. And the reason I would do that is because I figured if I did that while I was running and I put that all through my head consciously that, that stuff, even when I was walking or in my regular state would bleed over into my unconscious.[00:17:50] De'Vannon: Okay. So what you were saying is you yes. Your subconscious mind, so you attached, um, positive affirmations. Were they positive physical feeling, right? This, [00:18:00] there could technically be, uh, combined with any sort of thing that gives a person a positive physical sensation. So maybe fencing, um, maybe sex might be kind of positive [00:18:13] J. Maceo: assets that can be spiritual people say, oh God.[00:18:15] Oh God.[00:18:20] De'Vannon: Yeah. And so that, um, that reminds me of anchoring. And we were talking earlier because we both, um, have training and hypnotherapy, but you know, the, you know, and having been it hypnosis, you know, we talk about anchoring, you know, positive things to replace negative things in like the subconscious and things like that.[00:18:46] And so that, that, that reminded me. Of that. Well, since we talking about the hip hitting the therapy, uh we'll go ahead and talk about it now. Yeah. I, I went to hypnosis motivation Institute [00:19:00] HMI, which is in Tarzana, California, which is Los Angeles, California. That's how I spent the pandemic work on my, uh, hitting the therapy training here.[00:19:08] And now what classes are that you take there? [00:19:11] J. Maceo: It is so funny. So, uh, I went, uh, through, I went through 1 0 1 where you start to, I think I left in 4 0 1. Uh, one of the reasons I did leave is because I know people at my church were like, you know, oh, I can't believe you're doing this. That's kind of crazy stuff.[00:19:28] Uh, you know, if, if somebody, if you told me, you know, that, you know, you were doing hypnotherapy, I would think you didn't believe in Jesus. I got a lot of that. Uh, but I got, I took some great courses, you know, Uh, different courses on, you know, what hypnosis was, uh, how to hypnotize people. I was big on the countdown induction.[00:19:48] Like that was my big thing, not the arm raising, but the countdown, I did that with people sometimes, you know, at parties or just, you know, sitting around, uh, dream analysis was really [00:20:00] great. And I wish that I would use some more of those tools right now. I keep a pad by the bed and really allow myself to, to, to process and to, uh, lean from my, uh, more from my subconscious.[00:20:15] But this is something, and I'm glad I read that you went to Asia, my to, uh, because I went there a while back, but one of the things that I didn't think about, I haven't thought about this for years until, uh, yesterday, uh, my going by J Macio has its roots in at Hmm. And this is how so I used to sign my name.[00:20:39] I can just say my name. Uh, John M Wilkes informacion, John M wilt the second. And when I was an HMI, we took a handwriting. And the handwriting analysis course talked about, you know, different things and you know, how you, uh, express different things, underlining a name, putting accidentally [00:21:00] crossing through a name and all this sort of thing.[00:21:02] And for some reason, I love my first initial and my middle name. So from that moment on, I started signing. My name is Jay Macio Wilkes the second. Uh, and I love the people. Very seldom somebody would call me Jay Macio. But, uh, recently I was like, you know what? I love this name. You look up John Wilkes, you're going to get John Wilkes booth.[00:21:24] Uh, but Jay Macio and I feel like there's a, uh, a difference there. A good difference that lets me be Jay Macio I'd say is more creative. Uh, but yeah, I mean, I learned, I don't want to get too far away from the atrium. I learned a lot there. Do you finish that, uh, school? Uh, wish I had [00:21:44] De'Vannon: online do it online from your home at your convenience.[00:21:49] The modules are just there. You can just take them whenever you got like 18 months to finish it. You don't have to like, meet with an instructor at a certain time or anything like that. Oh, well, [00:22:00] now that you do have an instructor, if you want to ask questions and things like that, and you do leave feedback after every module, and if you need a phone call, you know, and all of that, then sure you can do that.[00:22:11] But that's not a part of it. I tried to talk to instructors at least as possible because that's not what I needed them for. I wanted to go through this and learn it at my own pace. And that's exactly what I was able to do. [00:22:22] J. Maceo: Oh, wow. Well, you know, when I went there, one of the good things though, they gave you free a couple of free hypnotherapy sessions.[00:22:29] So they match you up with somebody and you get a couple of free sessions with that. I like, you know what? I, it's funny. I did not even think about this until recently. So when I went there, this was years, years ago, um, they taught us, you know, self hypnosis. Which, you know, a lot of folks would just look at as meditation.[00:22:51] I think about it now, but you know, we learned kind of self-hypnosis and how, one of the things I loved is I would do that on the [00:23:00] way there maybe 15 minutes on a bus, I would do that. And there was something in that relaxing my mind and getting like the speaking to myself that I felt like I had slept a whole eight hours in 15 minutes.[00:23:15] So that's something that I loved from, uh, that I learned from that place. [00:23:19] De'Vannon: That's what it's all about, man. And I recommend learning hypnotherapy to everybody. Whenever I adopt some children, they go and through the course, then go the people on the world, I can probably make, do something, but because you really got to want to learn a lot about yourself.[00:23:35] To do hypnotherapy and that really, really stay there. I went originally to combine it, to learn those modalities, to get certified, to combine it with what, with my massage therapy practice, because I'm also a licensed massage therapy, but then Ms. Corona came to town and then I closed the massage therapy business.[00:23:52] And so, but in the process of learning about the mind, I realized I'm fucked up myself. I don't need to be working on nobody else. So then I turned more towards the [00:24:00] self-hypnosis aspect of it and I'm in my God had covered a lot of stuff. So, um, talk to me about gratitude and, um, and why you think operating, because we were talking about the positive emotions that you associated when you were running with your positive affirmations.[00:24:23] When people think about gratitude, they talk about. That as well as being like a very high vibration. And so talk to us about gratitude and why it's so important to just be thankful. [00:24:36] J. Maceo: Well, you know, it is important. I mean, I have a list of five guys today. It was six, but that I sent in the gratitude list to every single day.[00:24:46] Uh, and some of them, uh, you know, send them back some don't, but the reason gratitude is so important. A couple of reasons. Uh, the first one is that it does put me in a positive state. So what happens [00:25:00] is that, you know, whatever I think about. You know, that's what my world is going to be about this whole, like, you know, confirmation bias that I'm going to prioritize information that agrees with my existing belief system.[00:25:13] So if I think this this way, and I see a hundred things that say it's other way, but I see one thing that agrees with me, I'm going to stick to the thing that's agreeing with me. So in gratitude, what I do is that I actively make myself think about things to be thankful for. And what happens is that I become a thankful person rather than mean, and this is the thing, because if I sit around long enough, I can think about the things that I don't have.[00:25:42] I can think about the things that I'm scared of. I can think about the things that I'm mad about, and then I can feel like life hasn't given me a good day. And when I feel like that, I walk around acting like somebody who life has not given a good hand. So when I get into gratitude and for me and do [00:26:00] five things, some people do 10, so people do three.[00:26:02] But when I still at list every day, at least one time a day, I'm sitting down thinking of things that I'm thankful for. And what that does is it puts me in a more positive space, but it also puts me in a space to receive. Because if I think a lot of us, I would say this, a lot of us are getting gifts and blessings every day that we just ignore.[00:26:31] And there's something about gratitude that makes me say, you know what? I want to shine the light on the things that are working in my favor. And then that shine the light on just these few things that are working out in my favor. All of a sudden, I see what. I got this thing. Wait a second. I got the parking space yesterday.[00:26:47] Wait a second. And all of a sudden I become a thankful person as I do that, my vibration, my energy changes, and I draw, and I'll say this, I know a bit, a little rambling for a little bit, but what happens [00:27:00] is I'm alone. That when I get in a space of gratitude and happiness to my bed, beration is higher. What I do is I attract a lot of those things that people are just running around and trying to chase where my vibration is higher, because I'm thankful and I'm grateful and I'm happy.[00:27:16] And I appreciate what I have all of a sudden things that I want just attract to me  That's all we have for the free version of the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, my beautiful people. But Hey, if you're vibing on what you're hearing and want to take it to that next level, that subscription is only $2 and 99 cents a month. Yep. You heard me, right. It's just $2 and 99 cents a month. 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Podcaster, blogger, and author Demitri Wylde talks to us about being a sexual deviant, the aftereffects of relationship trauma, and living with HIV.  To be a guest on our show, contact Wes at wes@northcentralpasupportservices.org.  Links to Demitri Wylde's books and podcast are below:  Bitter Blue Pill All Was Nothing in the Time of Champions A Cosmic Journey with Demi & J    

The ever fabulous Demi Wylde and I had a deliciously transparent discussion and I know you will find it to be just as tasty as I did! We talk about both of our histories with HIV and addiction. Demi found out he was positive on Valentine's Day. I found out I was positive on New Year's Eve. #FuckedUp Demi tells us how he got started doing drag and where his drag name – Venus La Penis – was born. We read through some of his original poetry from his two poetry books and sip on some tasty tea as Demi dishes on some his sultry sex experiences.  BOOK INFO:Bitter Blue Pill - https://amzn.to/3jtOBaoAll Was Nothing In The Time Of Champions - https://amzn.to/3AdK0QCWEBSITES:https://demitriwylde.medium.com/https://demitriwylde.wixsite.com/website https://www.acosmicjourneypod.com SOCIAL MEDIA: Twitter - https://twitter.com/acosmicjournpodTwitter - https://twitter.com/demitriwyldeFaceBook - https://www.facebook.com/acosmicjourneypod/FaceBook - https://www.facebook.com/demitri.wylde/YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSgJDWl95xbDSYsYAReQscgInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/demitriwylde/Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@demitriwylde?LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/demitriwylde/ Demi Wylde Short Interview [00:00:00] Demi: [00:00:00] No[00:00:04] De'Vannon: [00:00:04] to the sex, drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to. And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is Davanon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world. As we dig into topics that are two risks gay for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life, there was nothing off the table.[00:00:30] And we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.[00:00:42] my guest today is the great and fabulous Demi Wilde. He is an author podcaster and entrepreneur from Los Angeles, California. My favorite city. He is the CEO of wild heart media company and the author of [00:01:00] two poetry books, which are bitter blue pill and all was nothing in the time of champion. Demi also writes an essay series called hookup horror stories, which are true tales of sexual encounters that seeks to dispel shame and heal the trauma surrounding sex.[00:01:20] Jimmy has also written a deviance guide to sex, how to guide on navigating sex love and interpersonal relationships and an in-depth look at the history and culture. That's arounds the topic. Jimmy also hosts the podcast, a cosmic journey with Damien J. A comedy podcast about science and spirituality, where they discuss things like aliens, witchcraft, technology, astrology, space, nature, physics, and the law of attraction.[00:01:52] It's been my honor to spend time with Demi and I am so delighted to share our conversation with you, [00:02:00] Demi. Thank you so much for your comment on the sex drugs and Jesus podcast today. I felt like I've been waiting for you forever. [00:02:08] Demi: [00:02:08] I know it's been, it's been a little bit, but I'm very glad I'm here too.[00:02:12] Thank you. [00:02:14] De'Vannon: [00:02:14] So you, you, you've got to be definitely one of the most colorful people that I've ever. Had the good fortune of crossing paths with, and, um, in my, in my entire existence. And so thank you. [00:02:30] Demi: [00:02:30] I, that is one of the most highest compliments I think I've ever gotten. So I really like, I love that. Thank [00:02:36] De'Vannon: [00:02:36] you.[00:02:37] Yeah, I don't just go swinging compliments around haphazardly. I don't give them bitches out on. Unless they are deserve it and you do deserve them. So I want you to bless our RDNS here with, uh, your history to include, like what you feel your successes are, you know, brief us on the struggles that you feel [00:03:00] like you, they are in.[00:03:01] And most importantly, the passion that drives you and makes you get up every day and keep doing what you've been doing. [00:03:09] Demi: [00:03:09] That's a very broad question. I'll try to do my best. Um, well, like I, number one, I'm a writer. Um, I, uh, I, I read a blog called hookup horror stories. Um, it's basically, it's my, it's a little bit of a therapy session for myself.[00:03:24] A little bit kind of like, um, helping other people by telling the stories. I have had in my life, um, whether they be poignant or whether they be funny or whether they be kind of just heartbreaking, heartbreaking, um, it's just kind of like my way of like therapy in a way, but it also brought me to another blog that I write.[00:03:46] I called a deviance guide to sex. And that one's a little bit more of like a, how to manual for sex ed for like the new generation, if you will. Um, it goes into depth about like, you know, the history of sex, like what is, [00:04:00] what it's like in the media. Um, it takes a feminist perspective. It includes queer and trans.[00:04:05] Uh, youth, um, um, but then also goes into like really fun stuff, like Kingston, taboos and stuff, and I'm still working on it. It's still a work in progress, but, um, a lot of research involved in that one. Um, I've also, I'm also a poet. I've written two books. Um, and I host a podcast, um, uh, called the cosmic journey with Demi and J that's my me, my best friend, Jamie ACO.[00:04:28] And we talk about. Aliens and astrology and, uh, psychic mediums and technology and all the fun stuff going on in the universe. Um, I was gonna say, uh, what gets me up in the morning? Um, I find it very difficult to give them up in the morning at the moment. Um, I was definitely, uh, wait until the very last minute today to like get up and like get ready, but, um, uh, I guess it's just the matter of.[00:05:01] [00:05:00] You don't really do it for anybody else. You do it for yourself, um, more than anybody else. And if anybody else listens or anybody else reads, then I guess that's a plus too. It's [00:05:12] De'Vannon: [00:05:12] a very humble way to put it. [00:05:14] Demi: [00:05:14] Yeah. [00:05:17] De'Vannon: [00:05:17] Okay. And I, I, I listened to some of your podcasts and it is quite great. The exchange, uh, that you and your bestie have between one another and that highly, highly recommended.[00:05:29] Now you, you refer to yourself as a goth kid at heart. And I want you to say, tell me when, when you started doing that and explain to me what that means. Explain to us all with it. [00:05:44] Demi: [00:05:44] Um, well, so, I mean, I guess it's kind of started in freshman year, maybe even a little bit before that. I mean, I was bullied a lot as a kid and I definitely felt a sense of otherness and, um, I [00:06:00] never really like fit in, so I took it to a little bit of an extreme and.[00:06:06] My freshman year of high school, I got involved with like, you know, the theater kids and like the golf kids. And we were just like the weird kids that sit in the back of the class were all black and pear nails. Listen to death metal and, and just be weird together. Um, but so that definitely, and then that extended later on til like, you know, all throughout high school where we would go to punk shows and, you know, drink or meet the stairs and just like come home drunk, like 16 year olds, just like being little rebels.[00:06:39] Um, And so I think that it has kind of like extended all throughout my life. And I've always had a sense of otherness about myself versus of queerness, if you will. Um, that I just definitely, uh, never really fit into the mold. And I started just kind of embraced that by being, you know, a goth or a punk or.[00:07:00] [00:07:00] Just weird, openly, weird, [00:07:05] De'Vannon: [00:07:05] boring to fit inside the mold it's been done before. It's such a drag and like not in a good way. And so, so, uh, I had Mia. A little goth stint, if you will, for like a moment in her story, this for a moment when I was in the military and I wasn't really fitting in and God knows, I barely made it out of there with an honorable discharge.[00:07:29] Then we got kicked out like two or three times, but I. Raving when I was stationed in Tucson, Arizona, like desert parties, desert raves. And back in those days, everyone wore like a huge kick wear jeans and pants. And I started wearing those in high school. I was one pair, Sidewinder jeans that my mom wouldn't buy it for me.[00:07:50] So I had to save up my lunch money for like weeks.[00:08:00] [00:07:59] Wow. You know, those are, yeah. I never talked to anybody who knows the Taiwan energy. [00:08:04] Demi: [00:08:04] Oh yeah, those are hideous, [00:08:08] De'Vannon: [00:08:08] but they were so nineties, [00:08:11] Demi: [00:08:11] I'm waiting for them to make a comeback truthfully, because everything else in the nineties is going to come back right now. [00:08:16] De'Vannon: [00:08:16] It's put us on with Sketchers and get on out the door.[00:08:18] And so, um, until I would complete. My look like sometimes for raves, I would go to hot topic and just like clean them out. So I got this like finger armor and everything like that. Like the, I don't know, very Arthur and look, and I would do like the all black and the pinstripe and the zippers and everything.[00:08:39] And I paint my nails and black, uh, later on in life. Or maybe I did it then I can't remember, but it was very, um, it was a very dark look for me. And I have to say that I don't regret. It was, it was a good time. [00:08:53] Demi: [00:08:53] Oh, it was a total good time. Speaking of hot topic, me and my, and my friends used to, uh, spend a lot of time after [00:09:00] school in hot topic, just stealing shit, just cleaning them out.[00:09:07] Like how do we not ever get caught? You know? [00:09:13] De'Vannon: [00:09:13] Well, I mean, that comes down to whether or not the worker. He gave a damn enough thing [00:09:19] Demi: [00:09:19] about, right. Right. I think anyone that worked at a hot topic like in the early two thousands is they didn't really give a shit [00:09:26] De'Vannon: [00:09:26] either. Yeah. They would probably barely awoke, you know, just from partying to like there's was time to come to work, you know?[00:09:34] So, um, dumps, I'm excited that we have that in common. And so, so I learned from listening to your podcasts, that you have a history of doing drag. Yeah. Um, I need to know, I need to know how all that got started. I considered doing it at one point at one time, but I never really followed up on it. I have a great respect for direct [00:10:00] cleans the artistry, the detail, the talent, the energy, the consistency, and everything like that.[00:10:05] So give us your drag story. [00:10:09] Demi: [00:10:09] Well, I kind of fell into it. It wasn't necessarily something that I, I definitely was interested in it, but, you know, through various circumstances, I just kind of like fell into it and then just continued with it. Um, my boyfriend at the time, he was a DJ for a nightclub. And so regularly we would be out and like hanging out with the Queens and like, You doing all this stuff and just like having a good time.[00:10:34] And, um, I had kind of started piecing things together and, and like, you know, yeah, I'm an ex theater kid. So like I used to like keep costumes and stuff and like, I could put things together and, and, um, I. I've I found, um, well actually another homegirl of mine, um, had started an open stage show. And, um, that was basically my first introduction to like performing [00:11:00] on a drag stage.[00:11:01] And, uh, she kind of did it for me in a way, but then I ended up like, Kind of taking over because she was like, I'm done here, you go have this show, have this show. And so literally six months into my drag career, I was hosting shows. Um, and I all around Seattle. I started in Seattle. I did it for like five years in jail.[00:11:23] And, um, I, yeah, just kind of bounced around and then really contained with it. And I took it very seriously. Like it was definitely like a, an art form for myself and, and a form of expression. Um, and I almost feel like I, I may have relied a little bit too much on it, and I think that's ultimately was my downfall with doing drag.[00:11:44] Was I. Number one developed a little bit of a drinking problem. Um, during that time, because you know, you go out into the nightclubs and you know, you sit in the VIP section, people just feed you alcohol. It's kind of a thing. A lot of, a [00:12:00] lot of the times you're getting paid with drink tickets. So it's just kind of like, that's just the nature of the business.[00:12:04] And so cut to me, um, scaling those side of my wall and our side of my apartment building in a fur coat at like three in the morning. Cause I forgot my keys. Um, like just weird stuff was going on and, and I ended up, um, uh, leaving Seattle because of a breakup that I had with sideway. And, um, during that time I moved to Sacramento and I ended up, um, drag was kind of my, my job in the beginning when I moved there.[00:12:35] Cause I didn't only have a job when I moved there and it just kind of became like exhausting and, um, it's a lot of work I'm entirely self-taught I have. Adopted drag family, such as Christie's champagne on the, on the show. And, um, lady J was my original one. Um, but we, uh, I was like entirely self-taught like, I taught myself, makeup, taught myself how [00:13:00] to, uh, style wigs.[00:13:01] I taught myself how to, um, style clothes, um, how to perform on stage and stuff. So I, I have people that I looked up to, but I'd never really like. I was just felt like, like they did it so much better than I did anyways. So I just definitely like, you know what? This isn't for me anymore. I want to take my life in a different direction now.[00:13:22] And I ultimately just put it down and don't get my stuff and said, you know what? Have a good day. It's been great. Venous love penis. You're dead. She might come out in Halloween later on down the road. But, um, as for right now, her career is completely gone. [00:13:40] De'Vannon: [00:13:40] Venous love penis or your drag name, or is your drag name?[00:13:44] Demi: [00:13:44] Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know your age. Um, you look young 38 and a half darling. Okay. We're not, we're not that we're not that far off. That I'm, I'll be 33 this year, but, um, uh, so I don't know if you were a Disney kid at all, but [00:14:00] I used to watch the show on Disney called a Xenon girl, the 21st century.[00:14:05] And she had a tagline on that show called, or she would say Zaidis Lapidus. Ultimately that became venous lumpiness. And that's just kind of where the drag name came from. [00:14:19] De'Vannon: [00:14:19] Hey, there, ain't nothing wrong with that. And yeah, I love me some Disney. I was more of a, um, Mickey mouse club. Oh, yeah. Like way back in the day back when Brittany and Brittany Spears and Justin Timberlake and JC Chasez and Christina Aguilera were on.[00:14:36] Wow. Wow. And I used to get, I usually get in the living room and perform for my family or whoever cared to look, or if they weren't looking at it and care. Okay. So I'm watching this, recording it on VHS tape. And so I would like rewind the dance routines and learn all the dance routine that I would listen and rewind and write down all the lyrics.[00:14:59] This is before [00:15:00] you guys go online and print lyrics, shit did I would write it down and I would memorize all the dance moves. And seeing it, all of that. So yeah, I'm all about Disney. Let's put on a show, show tunes, all of that. And so, yeah, [00:15:14] Demi: [00:15:14] I remember when I was, you know, we were really poor kids too, so like I was me and like all the kids on the block we used to, um, put on little concerts, uh, on, in just our front yard and stuff and just listened to like Britney Spears or whatever.[00:15:28] Destiny's child and, and make a little dance moves to it. So that was another kind of, I think, introduction to like that performance life of myself. And that happened pretty early on like, you know, 9, 10, 11 around that time. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's fun. I mean, drag is fun, but yes, it is very exhausting.[00:15:50] De'Vannon: [00:15:50] Um, Hey, you know, I, I admire too. Yeah. Yeah. The people, the vendors, sometimes they come and set up at different gay [00:16:00] bars, the huge sparkly earrings that the drag Queens, where they'd be like a hundred dollars, $200, like for one set and everything like that. And the girls have like many of them and everything like that.[00:16:13] I admire the craft. So you get the Nancy Pelosi?[00:16:23] Demi: [00:16:23] Yes. [00:16:26] De'Vannon: [00:16:26] I think that might be the second time. I've given that to somebody in my life. I don't do it often.[00:16:34] So now another thing you and I have in common is that we both have a history of HIV. And so I want you to talk about your experience with that because no matter what advances in science have been released on to us, or how far along we may have come and combating this disease, there's still a stigma around it.[00:16:58] There's still people who can [00:17:00] track it, who feel like they're gonna die, um, because nobody wants to have their body invaded. Generally speaking. By this disease. So can you talk to us about your experience with HIV? [00:17:17] Demi: [00:17:17] Yeah. Um, so I found out my status in, like I said, in 2017 and it was post breakup. So I had, um, moved from Sacramento down to Riverside where I'm from.[00:17:32] And, um, I started dating this guy and actually, you know, Back up just a little bit here, Christmas 2016, the Christmas of 2016, I got really, really sick. I had like the worst flu of my life and I was like, wow, I don't know what's going on. I went to the hospital, they just, they were full. So I basically got sent home.[00:17:54] Um, I, uh, was dating someone at the time who found out they were [00:18:00] positive. So I'm fairly certain that it was this person who I was with, um, that I received it from it wasn't a bad thing. It wasn't like, you know, oh God, I hate you or anything. I was like, okay, well, this is the thing. And I'm going to accept it about you.[00:18:17] Whatever happens happens. It was a negative thing. Um, I actually still have major love for this person, but, uh, that being said I did move. So that relationship did end. Um, and then when I moved to Riverside, I. You know, got tested and, um, started dating this other guy for a little bit. And it was Valentine's day 2017 that I got my test results back and they had me come in and my boyfriend at the time came with me and he was positive too.[00:18:52] Um, but he was on meds and he was undetectable. As, as you know, um, undetectable equals transmittable. So it's [00:19:00] basically what, what happens when you're undetectable, you're on this cocktail of, of medicine that makes your viral load, uh, as low that they cannot even measure it in your bloodstream, you, and because it cannot even measure it in your blood stream, that you also cannot transmit it to others.[00:19:13] Um, it's. Basically like you're, I mean, ultimately it's kind of like having diabetes in a way, like it's even less invasive than having diabetes because diabetes, you still have to prick your finger every day. You just don't have to like, do your blood and still like invasive, but this, you just take a hell every day and you're okay.[00:19:33] And as long as you're healthy and you eat right, and you exercise, you're pretty much golden. Um, but that being said, um, Uh, I found out that day and, uh, Valentine's day of all days, I got broken up with three days later, by the way, by the same guy. So, um, I, it was, uh, it was a rough year. I mean, uh, 2016 was a rough year and then the beginning of 2017 was a rough year too.[00:20:00] [00:20:00] But when I found out it wasn't like, um, I don't think I processed it right away. Cause I, um, I definitely felt like I. I was say, you know what I, whatever I have to do, I'm going to do, like, I got to get to work now. And my health has been number one priority. So emotionally I didn't process it. And I still, you know, a month later I was undetectable, I was all good and everything.[00:20:32] And I was in school at the time and doing all this stuff and I don't think I really processed it until yeah. A year later when I moved to, um, LA and I just basically kind of like. All this other stuff started happening to me. And I started like, you know, using drugs. I started like, you know, kind of like using sex as a way to, um, alienate myself and to, um, like run away [00:21:00] from her problems in a sense.[00:21:02] And so I started therapy and, um, I mean, therapy was another nother process too. I, I, I'm still not a hundred percent on that. On that journey, but, um, I am seeing a therapist now and, um, it's just been a journey. Like, you know, whenever you find something about your health that, you know, you kind of are faced with your own mortality in a sense.[00:21:25] And when you don't necessarily process that emotionally, you, you tend to run opposite directions and do whatever you can to like, not think about it. It's it's scary. And it's, it's unfortunate that people work that way, but, um, you know, we're on a journey and we all just have our own ways of dealing with things and that's okay too.[00:21:52] De'Vannon: [00:21:52] Well, I love how clear you are in your thought processes and everything [00:22:00] like that. It's quite inspiring to me. I'm sorry, all of this happened to you in a way that it did. I'm very thankful and appreciative that you've turned it around into such a positive thing and such, such a positive attribute. I respect you for your open-mindedness towards it and about like, you know, your previous partner then, you know, and then being positive and you're not judging them for it and for embracing them.[00:22:24] So you're, you're so full of love and, um, It's funny how we remember the date. You know, my date was December 31st, 2011. And, um, and I, they didn't [00:22:39] Demi: [00:22:39] call it that holiday for some reason. It's like random holiday, like the year before, the year before I was broken up with, or like me and my boyfriend broke up on Christmas day, like the year before.[00:22:54] So like, Holidays are rough, [00:22:59] De'Vannon: [00:22:59] right? [00:23:00] They didn't call me into the office. Sometimes. I wonder if my response would have been different. Had they actually called me into the office until like a healthy environment. The doctor. Yeah, I had contracted hepatitis B. So I was seeing like a liver doctor and this fool decided to leave the voicemail, telling me I'm HIV positive.[00:23:21] And by the way, don't be running around infecting people. It was something along those lines on new year's Eve. So I'm going to getting ready for the club. You know, I got my like drugs and everything, you know, I'm feeling fabulous, bitch. I don't want this today. Why you couldn't wait until like the first or the second, you know, let me ring in the new year.[00:23:39] Shit. So. So that's at meal, like on a bad spiral. I thought I was going to die because the only person in my life that I had known that had HIV, he was like in his lower twenties and he literally shriveled up and like died. And so that was the only frame of reference that I had. And so I thought that would be me.[00:23:59] And [00:24:00] so, you know, I ended up homeless and everything like that. And so. Yeah, it was, it was a hot mess. And so in, in your speaking, I hear a lot of like sex positivity, and I know that's something that you really stand for. So can you speak to us about what sex positivity means to you and give advice to people about ways to embrace sex and a better way?[00:24:25] Demi: [00:24:25] Well, for me, I always use sex as a crutch, so. I, it was a way for me to like, process and also avoid, uh, dealing with things. So it's something I enjoy, but I enjoy it a lot better when I actually have an emotional connection with someone, or I have an intellectual connection with someone because there's a mutual respect.[00:24:51] There there's a mutual kind of like connection. So when I, when I speak about being sex positive, what I'm really meaning is. [00:25:00] Being connected to people when you're having sex, like hooking up is fine. Like, don't get me wrong. Hooking up is fine. It's great. However, from my experience, majority of that time that you, that you spent hooking up is really just kind of like chasing and it's not necessarily like chasing the right things.[00:25:20] You're chasing. And escape, essentially. So when I talk about being sex positive, I talk about being more or less, uh, connection oriented when you're having sex. So when, let me see if I can put this the right way, um, Ultimately. Yeah, just, I'm sorry, just alternately. When I say, like being sex positive, like being open with your partners, being connected, being communicative with them, that's the best way to do it.[00:25:52] Like, like for me, like, you know, I don't necessarily think that, um, That sex is a bad thing. I think this is a [00:26:00] great thing, and it's a way for us to connect with other people. And I think it's just a better way of doing it. We're not really taught these things in school. We're taught the birds and the bees, but it's not really that, but especially as queer people, we're not taught the birds and the bees.[00:26:14] All, all stories are thrown out the window because there's no really a blueprint for us to do it. This seems like the interpersonal connection between two people or three people or four people or five or whatever, or five or whatever your case may be. Um, I'm, I'm more of a one-on-one person, right?[00:26:34] Truthfully I've, I've been around the block a few times, but yeah, I, I think there's nothing better than just two people who really like each other and really have a respect for each other and, and are able to connect in that way. Um, however, um, None of us are really taught how to do that, how to do that, healthily, how to do that, um, in a way that is beneficial for people.[00:27:00] [00:27:00] And so we're kind of just left turn devices and kind of like lost in the dark, running around, like with our chickens, with the head cut off, you know, it's, it's really kind of like feeling around for, for whatever can. Come next and that's not the way to do it. I don't think. [00:27:16] De'Vannon: [00:27:16] Yeah. So what you're saying is trying not to learn about sex from porn.[00:27:19] Like I did growing up or from the streets or from like the dope boys or from trade and, you know, get, and to be conscious and thoughtful and intentional about what you're doing with your body and with your significant other or [00:27:34] Demi: [00:27:34] others. Yeah. That's a very, [00:27:39] De'Vannon: [00:27:39] it's a very interesting perspective. So, oh, then [00:27:45] Demi: [00:27:45] I'll say this too.[00:27:46] Sorry to cut you off, but like I, your body is a temple and what you do with your body is your own business. However, if you let someone who is unworthy into your temple, Or [00:28:00] around your temple. Um, then that might be a problem because you're not letting the right people around you are not letting the right kind of company, um, that you would like around.[00:28:11] So let's treat your body as a temple and, and other people will treat you that same way because you, you essentially teach people how to treat you. Right. And if you're dealing with the wrong people, then the soup we're going to take advantage of you no matter what. [00:28:28] De'Vannon: [00:28:28] Yup. I've been in that situation before, when I was young, naive, gullible, and from the country.[00:28:33] And yeah, you do teach fif how to teach you now. I have standards and you know, since I've put that out there, I get better, you know, respect from people than I ever have before. So that's a hundred percent the truth, which you just preach right there and around. So, how does that work though, with being like, say like a sexual deviant, like you were talking about before?[00:28:59] So [00:29:00] how do we do sex positivity, respect our temple and still be a sexual deviant at the same time. [00:29:06] Demi: [00:29:06] That's a good question. Um, so, okay. I'll start with explaining what a sexual deviant is. A sexual deviant is someone who is, uh, interested in, uh, engaging in. Or is curious about alternative sexual, uh, practices.[00:29:25] And just because you're curious about it doesn't necessarily mean you want to do it such as, you know, things like necrophilia or beastiality like, that's not things that people necessarily want to do for the most part. Um, but. There are things that have happened in the past or things that have happened in history.[00:29:42] Um, such as what's that Russian queen who, who, you know, famously had sex, the horse and died, you know, that's, that's a real story. Um, it's also a little bit of a myth. Um, I forgot what her name is right now, but, um, Ultimately like a sexual deviant is someone who you want to learn [00:30:00] from set or learn sex from, because they know about all the weird stuff.[00:30:04] They know all about the darkness. They know all about that kind of, uh, stuff that people don't necessarily want to talk about or stuff. And, and because we have a person who, you know, knows about this stuff, that they're the person that you want to go to, to like, explain. Because, you know, ultimately you don't want to, you know, find yourself in a horse cage yourself, or, you know, engaging in necrophilia obviously.[00:30:31] But, you know, [00:30:32] De'Vannon: [00:30:32] it's neat because these things [00:30:35] Demi: [00:30:35] that would, because it'd be because of these things that, um, Have existed or, you know, are, are there, but because we shine light on it, they're less scary. And so obviously we were not trying to tell people to do these things, but, you know, but there are things that, you know, culturally things like that happen.[00:30:53] And, um, you know, it's just, it just depends on like how. How you frame it [00:31:00] and when you are, um, discussing sex with someone, it's, it's good to be open about like all the weird stuff too, because how else are we gonna know? We're gonna learn from porn. We're going to learn from the internet and that's not where you want to go learn that stuff.[00:31:17] Not particularly, [00:31:18] De'Vannon: [00:31:18] no. Okay. So [00:31:22] Demi: [00:31:22] you'll get, you'll find Mr. Hans and that's about what you're going to find. [00:31:26] De'Vannon: [00:31:26] Oh, I'm getting south park flashbacks or problems or somebody with the Mr. Han. [00:31:33] Demi: [00:31:33] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mr. Hans, the video and online video, the guy gets fucked by the horse and dies. Okay, [00:31:40] De'Vannon: [00:31:40] different, Mr.[00:31:41] Haynes. [00:31:42] Demi: [00:31:42] You're different, Mr. Hans. Yeah,[00:31:47] De'Vannon: [00:31:47] that's all we have for the free version of the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, my beautiful people. But Hey, if you're vibing on what you're hearing and want to take it to that next level, the subscription is only $2 and 99 [00:32:00] cents a month. Yep. You heard me, right? This is just $2 and 99 cents a month. But if you're satisfied with this level of the show, but you still want to help us out, you can also do a one-time donation to the cause of that suits you better.[00:32:12] All of this information can be found@sixdrugsandjesus.com where we also find my blog and lots of other resources. Your subscription strength. It's our ability to reach the world and help hurting people. And by subscribing, you will become a part of that effort and also gain access to full length episodes, which can easily be a couple hours long because I really don't know how to be quiet.[00:32:34] Thanks for listening. And just remember that everything is not a brr.   

What is it about the punk and the goth scenes that is so appealing to queer kids? This week I caught up with author, podcaster, and entrepreneur Demi Wylde to help explore that very question. I got to find out all about his teen years growing up in the southern California city Riverside, and the refuge that he found at the Showcase Theatre, an alternative rock club in the neighbouring city of Corona which was once described as 'the CBGBs of the west coast', which was open between 1993 and 2008. We talk all about the thrill of being chaperoned to the club by your mum, finding your voice, and I discover the difference between mosh pits and skank pits. Do you have any memories from the mosh pit, or from your own queer scene that you want to share? Well, if you have please get in touch - I want to create the biggest online record of people's memories and stories - go to www.lostspacespodcast.com and find the section 'Share a Lost Space' and tell me what you got up to! Bonus points for embarrassing photos! You can also find me on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter as @lostspacespod For more on Demi: - visit his website - https://demitriwylde.wixsite.com/ - follow him on twitter - @demitriwylde - discover his poetry book “All Was Nothing in the Time of Champions”, his two blogs “Hookup Horror Stories” & “A Deviant's Guide to Sex”, and listen to his podcast: “A Cosmic Journey with Demi & J” by following this convenient link - https://linktr.ee/demitriwylde

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Greetings, Starseeds! This week we discuss Saturn Retrograde, Blood Moon eclipses, some scientists' hypothetical asteroid impact, how hospitals are suing patients during a pandemic, a new gadget that absorbs electricity in the air, MORE invisible energy attacks against politicians in D.C., a bear charging at onlookers in Yellowstone, and the truth behind Bill and Melinda Gates' divorce! Plus we take a deep dive into a black hole, (KUH-SPLASH!) to interview our new friend; astrologer and tarot reader, Mimi Folco! For show notes on the articles used in this episode, visit our websitehttps://www.acosmicjourneypod.com/  Check us out on YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDqouiSl2TyKyJl7rARKp4_YqQmapAx1z Full Podcast Episodes:acosmicjourneypod.buzzsprout.com You can now submit articles, send us memes, or chat with us in our official Facebook group: "Starseed Central"https://www.facebook.com/groups/321018185996577 Social media:  Instagram: @acosmicjourneypod  Twitter: @acosmicjournpodDemi:Instagram: @demitriwylde  Twitter: @demitriwylde  TikTok: @demitriwyldeJ.: Instagram: @j.maceomusic  Twitter: @J_MaceoMusicSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2n8UGW8EvO0wxiwqseTu1D?si=_derq-3KTQinWEseLkrXNA&utm_source=copy-linkSpecial thanks to our guest: Mimi FolcoInstagram: @mimismeismimihttps://www.instagram.com/mimismeismimi/Apothecary: Harvey Mountain Alchemyhttps://www.harveymountainalchemy.com/  Music: “Superepic” by Alexander Nakarada, “Rumble” by Ben Sound, “Megaepic” by Alexander NakaradaSound effects are mixed using copyright free sound effects, music is licensed under Creative Commons and used for educational, satire, and creative expression purposes under The Fair Use Act of 1976.https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en_US https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html TagsA Cosmic Journey, Demi and J., Demi Wylde, J. Maceo, Cosmic News, Space News, Science News, Weird News, Law of Attraction, Comedy Podcast, Science Podcast, Spirituality Podcast, LGBT Podcast, Starseed, StarseedsLinks:www.acosmicjourneypod.com acosmicjourneypod.buzzsprout.com https://www.facebook.com/groups/321018185996577 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/acosmicjourneypod/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/acosmicjourneypod/support