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Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2023 26:51

Today's episode follows the trail of the Maximoff twins, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, as they break away from the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. They meet up with three different superhero teams, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and the Avengers. As far as the rest of the Brotherhood, a "stranger" appears and wreaks havoc on them. Find out what happens to Magneto and where the Maximoffs go after leaving behind villainy. Issues covered: Strange Tales #128, Uncanny X-Men #11, Avengers #16

EMBS Episode 40: Asian Awareness Month

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Play Episode Listen Later Jun 2, 2023 71:10

Individually they were just like those guys who like to hang around the comic book shop and talk comics but together they form the Earth's Mightiest Podcast! In this episode we talk whatever comes to mind as of May 18, 2023 Hell's Paradise (Crunchyroll) Knock at the Cabin (Peacock) Kung Fu Season 3 (Hbo Max) Air (Amazon Prime) 65 (VOD) Sweet Tooth S3 (Netflix) Trigun Stampede (Crunchyroll) Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (Paramount+) Super and Lois S3 (CWtv) Legendary Marvel Improv Mastermind: Magneto Scheme: World War Hulk Henchmen: Hellfire Cult Villains: Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Zola's Creations Heroes: Captain America, Deadpool, Rictor, Totally Awesome Hulk, Wolverine [EMBS RSS] Subscribe [RSS All] Subscribe [Google Play All] Subscribe [iTunes] Subscribe Music: EMP theme song By Tribe One http://tribeonewon.wordpress.com/

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E204: Recruiting for Strength (Avengers #17) -- June 1965

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 2, 2023 5:36

In this episode:Mike and Ed discuss the Avengers' public search for a fifth member: the Hulk. What are they thinking? Is strength the only requirement for membership? How bad is “rampaging” before you decide not to let someone on the team? Should someone take Captain America's license away?Behind the issue:Stan Lee is leaning into the idea that the team is under-powered after losing the original Avengers. The team feels the same way until they discover that when they work together as a team they can defeat powerful villains — maybe they don't need the Hulk after all?In this issue:The new Avengers meet for the first time. Rick Jones - teenage sidekick with no discernible powers or abilities - is jealous that the three new members - Scarlet Witch, who can warp reality; Quicksilver, who can run at the speed of thought; and Hawkeye, who has an uncanny martial abilities - are members and he is not. Anyways, Captain AAmerica announces to the fledgling team that their first mission is to find the Hulk to see if he will join their team. They then go to train, and a giant robot sent by the Mole Man breaks in and attacks them while informing them that they can find the Hulk in the desert. It's a trap, obviously, but the Avengers still set out for the desert and battle the Mole Man's Minotaur underground. Meanwhile, the Hulk chases down his foe, the Leader. The issue ends with the Avengers realizing that they are quite formidable on their own and do not really need the Hulk.Assumed before the next episode:People are still wondering what the deal is with this odd team of Avengers.This episode takes place:While the public considers whether the Hulk would be a good addition to the Avengers or not.Full transcript:Edward: All right, Mike, we know who the fifth member of the Avengers is or not. Is, is going to be, is going to beMichael: wild man. It's actually crazy. It's actually crazy. How do we get here?Edward: You thought given the fact that The Thing is leaving the fantastic f. For, they'd bring him in. Mm-hmm. As the big strong man. And they said, no, no, no. That's not crazy enough, Mike. That's not crazy enough. We're no, we're gonna go back to our roots and find the most powerful man in the world and bring him onto the Avengers cuz the Avengers are not the second best mark. They're not the second strongest person in the world. They're going for the strongest.Michael: Yeah so they're out there trying to find the Hulk because the Hulk is the strongest one there is. And it's like, hold on a second. He's caused a lot of damage. He's fought you guys.Edward: Of course, of course. He's caused damage. He's the strongest man in the world. How can the strongest person in the world not cause damage?Michael: He, he, He's a, well, I dunno if he's a man, he's a monster.Edward: They're, they're calling, they're, they're calling him a man. They're calling him, man.Michael: Okay. And I shouldn't be, so I don't want to be negative towards him. I don't wanna use pejorative terms.Edward: You're like monstrous. Is that a word?Michael: But he has acted monstrously, you know what I mean? Like, so he, he has,Edward: he's a person who acts like a monster. He's not a monster himself.Michael: Well, yeah, sure. That's right. And he's out there causing terror and mayhem and. Battling the Avengers.Edward: Fair enough. And so then, not just Avengers, he's fought the Avengers, he's fought the fantastic F, he's f the Avengers more. I think he's fought the Avengers more than he's been on the Avengers in terms of like Right. Which side he's been on. He's been anti Avenger more times than he's been Avenger.Michael: So, I should say, gee whiz, you know, I'd like to get married. I'm gonna marry my, the worst girlfriend I've ever had because, you know, Because she's been my girlfriend in the past and she was a great girlfriend for like a week and then a terrible girlfriend for like a month. And so,Edward: yeah. But Mike is this girlfriend the strongest girlfriend in the world.Michael: Well, okay, how about this? The most attractive, my most attractive girlfriend in the world. That's all I'm going for if I'm super superficial. There you go. And so that's kind of what it is, right? They're picking one serious trait. So yes, the Hulk is the strongest one there is, but he is the best teammate? Like, yes, this woman. Is the most attractive woman I've ever dated. But is she the best girlfriend? And it's like, I don't know. I don't care. She's like the hottest, so I'm gonna go marry her.Edward: You presumably, you only have one girlfriend at a time. The Avengers have five at a time, so they need different pieces. They have Captain America who's probably the best teammate in the world and they have I dunno, the quick silver Quicksilver was the fastest in the world and the. The witch who's the most magical in the world. And so now they don't need another great teammate. They need someone who's just they have no one who's strong. They need someone who's strong.Michael: And I think my analogy holds, it's like you're my friend and you're one of the smarter friends I have and I've got other friends.Edward: Somebody say the smartest in the world would you say that,Michael: you know, I'm not gonna say, but you might. And, uh, and then you get, and then, and it's like, gee, on outta my friend network, I don't have the hottest one. So I'm the hottest one. The hottest, craziest person, coming into my life. Which is, what the adventures are doing. So, No, I think it's weird. I think it's wrong. And also,Edward: are you saying the Avengers don't have the best judgment in the world?Michael: Yeah, I am. And then on top of that, on top of that, it's hard not to notice that the Avengers are recruiting people who, a year ago we considered to be villains.Right?Edward: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. A month ago, no, two months ago.Michael: You're right. Sorry. Time flies. So we have quick Silver Scarlet Witch who used to be in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. That's terrorists. They're, they're terrorists. They're terrorists. Terrorists. Terrorists.The Commonwealth War Hawkeye Hawkeye, who was like, oh, no. Criminal?Edward: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was also a super spot. He was working with the Russians and the Soviets.Michael: That's, that's right. And then they're like, you know what? Okay, we've covered, we've covered those areas. Let's get a guy who rampages.Edward: We have, we have no vandals. We need a vandal. Vandal, the terrorist, we have the communist. We need just someone who's pure, pure anarchy.Michael: Like is Captain America a right? Is he making the decisions right now? It's like he's a little older. I guess he's been around since World War ii. Do we just step in and say like, you know, you step in and take away your parents' driver's license. You gotta say cap. You know, if you're the one driving this bus, we gotta, we got some questions, we got some concerns here.Edward: What's what's amazing to me, it's not just that they want the Hulk, it's that they haven't spoken to the Hulk. It's not like they just gotta put it out there. It feels like, it feels like, yeah, exactly.If you want the Hulk, let's get the Hulk in the room and ask and be like, Hey, listen, it's like selecting a vice president. You don't go and say, Hey, I'm looking for you like, uh, uh, Mr. Uh, vice president. Um, do you, uh, are you, uh, are you out there? I'm just gonna put an ad in the newspaper and maybe you'll. Come to me. No, you take them aside one by one and be like, Hey, if we were to ask you, would you join? And oh, by the way, if we were to ask you to join, would you stop rampaging? Would you stop destroying cities? Because that's kind of a requirement for the organization. But right now they've reduced all their ability to negotiate.The whole comes along. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna join. You want me to join? I'll join. But here's my requirements. I get to destroy five buildings every week. Take it or leave it, then what do you do? And then what do you do?Michael: And I might get into fist way with you, you know, so just, just like it or lump it, but it's happening and it's like, well, okay, maybe we shouldn't like it.Edward: Maybe putting ads and newspapers across the country was not the right choice. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

X2: X-Men United

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Play Episode Listen Later May 29, 2023 55:11

It's time for the sequel to the X-Men. Some say this was great. Some say this was terrible. All we know for sure is that this was a movie and the X-Men are in it! X2: X-Men United! Follow. Subscribe. Rate. Review. Thumbs up. And give us all the Stars! Show notes. In the comics, Nightcrawler is the child of Mystique and was given up by his mother. He was informally adopted by a Romani queen and was raised in a traveling circus–not the Munich circus as in the movies. Lady Deathstrike is a cyborg with a mechanized body and Adamantium claws in the comics. She originated in Japan and has an irrational hatred of Wolverine which led her to America and association with William Stryker. William Stryker was a sergeant in the army and is associated with the Weapon X program that gave Wolverine his Adamantium skeleton. He has a very dark origin story that led to his own irrational hatred of Professor X. Mastermind is not the son of William Stryker. He was recruited away from a carnival into the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants by Magneto. In the Brotherhood, his teammates were Toad, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver. News you can abuse! Netflix's Daredevil cast reunites! For photos. Rumor has it there's a bizarre cast for the Fantastic Four. We really, REALLY hope this isn't true. Thunderbolts production shuts down due to the industry's lack of progress in meeting the demands of the Writer's Guild. What's up next? X-Men: The Last Stand (or maybe the new Spider-Verse movie) Where to find us. Mastodon ⁠https://mastodon.social/@SuperSideshow⁠ Instagram ⁠https://www.instagram.com/super_sideshow/⁠ YouTube ⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/SuperSideshow/⁠ Twitter ⁠https://twitter.com/SuperSideshow⁠

E200: (fixed audio!) Avengers in Name Only? (Avengers #16, Part 2) -- May 1965

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Play Episode Listen Later Apr 26, 2023 11:04

When episode 200 was first published we push the wrong audio (audio for episode 199). It has now been fixed. Apologies for the error (Thursday, April 27, 2023)In this episode:Mike and Ed continue to dive into the shocking changes to the Avengers line-up. It has now been announced that in addition to Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch will be joining the team, and all of the founding members will be leaving. Is it still the Avengers is none of the founding members are on the team? Are we concerned that 75% of the team is made up of former villains. Are they really FORMER? And even if morality was not an issue, can we expect these new members to replace the missing firepower of Iron Man, Thor, Giant Man and the Wasp?Behind the issue:There was so much to discuss in this issue we broke it into two. And we still never covered the death of Baron Zemo given it was unclear if it was ever made public. Surprisingly for the comics Baron Zemo, the archenemy of Captain America at this point in the continuity, remains dead until the present day. However his son takes on the title and continues to battle Captain America and the Avengers on an ongoing basis.In this issue:(This is a repeat of the last episode) The issue opens with the Avengers once again emerging victorious over the Masters of Evil in New York, with Captain America defeating Baron Zemo in South America. It continues with Iron Man, Giant-Man, and the Wasp in New York having a team meeting and deciding to take a break from being on the team. At the same time they are having the meeting, Hawkeye breaks into their headquarters and asks to join the Avengers. His beloved Black Widow has been murdered by her employers behind the iron curtain, and he has had a change of heart on his line of work. The team decide to take him up on the offer, and on top of that, seek out new potential teammates, with the papers reporting this initiative. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver decide to apply to join the team, and they are admitted to the ranks as well. By the time Captain America returns, the team has been completed reconstituted, with Iron Man, Giant-Man, and the Wasp out, and Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch in as their replacements.This episode takes place:After Cap's kooky quartet has been announced.Full transcript:Edward: Mike, never believe the rumors. Never believe the rumors. The rumors are total bs. Can't trust those people,Micheal: even if we're the ones that are spreading the rumors in.Edward: Even that we need to stop, stop with the speculation, I think last we heard captain America and Thor were off the team. Hawkeye and someone else were on the team and now that's all been thrown for Loop. Thor is off the team, but now Iron Man and Wasp and Giant man are off the team as well. Captain America is back. It's just nothing makes sense anymore.Micheal: Well, not really, no. So our speculation before was that we found it suspicious that Hawkeye, a former villain, was on the team when the remaining three Avengers were people with power suits, basically, who could be swapped in and out, but now it's Hawkeye's off. Two more villains. Rick Silver and the Scarlet Witch are on the team. And Captain America's in charge. I mean is it really the Avengers? You know what I mean? They said isn't.Edward: There's no original ventures left. What's that? That's it. Thesis' ship You're talking about Thesis' ship. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah. Yeah. They've replaced every board and brought on new boards. Is it still the same ship when none of the boards are left.Micheal: Well, what's funny is like, I think about law firms where law firms start out with a name of like, Smith and Jones, and then, eventually there's no Smith and there's no Jones. It's just a name andEdward: It's an overhand,Micheal: people treated as I think that it has the risk of being Smith and Jones in name only. And being not the same as it used to be. And maybe that's what the Avengers are. Is thatEdward: the Avengers innate only?Micheal: That's Well, they are until they do something right. It does strike me. So leaving aside the fact that now it's Captain America and three former villains and going through the whole discussion of. We can skip the discussion now cause we had it last time. We spoke about, well, how do those, how does a villain get on the team? But they did apparently.Edward: Yeah. No, remember last, so last time we speculated. Okay, well maybe the other hero they're gonna bring on is a former villain we talked about Radioactive man or the Wizard, or, yeah. Mr. Hyde. It can never occurred to us that they bring on. The former Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, people like, well, I guess we talked about that before too, the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants so they're all kind of they're all dead now or captive or whatever, except for two of retired, well, they didn't stay in retirement very long.Micheal: No. And they thought, you know what? Like, uh, we're good now. And, uh, and that was good enough, I guess for the federal security agency. Good enough for Captain America.Edward: Yeah. Like, they're like, we were never immoral. We were just amoral. We're joiners, we're joiners.Micheal: We just, you know, if you've got a good pitch, we'll listen. But, uh, it does seem as, it does seem quite odd and I guess, I think the best way to look at it. So leaving aside the points that we've discussed about how it's challenging to bring on villains, um, maybe give 'em a chance, but they do seem severely underpowered compared to the original Avengers team, right? Correct. Or the former Avengers team.Edward: Yeah. In terms of Ross Strength, Thor, giant man. Iron man, all three super strong. Yeah. And now like their strongest members, captain America, who is the weakling on the old team.Micheal: I know. And then, Hawkeye, good aim. Okay. And, um, I don't, we don't know much about Scarlet Witch, her powers. They seem to be kind of just,Edward: I think they're very witchy. They're like witch powers,Micheal: witchy. I don't, I mean, I don't really know. And then Chris Silver Fast.Edward: It's in the name Mike. It's in the name.Micheal: Yeah. They're both in the name, but I wonder, so with quick silver, I wonderEdward: Red, red Magic, I think she has a lot of red magic.Micheal: Well, red Magic. Oh, that's the best kind. But you think so Quicksilver, I mean, the only qualification I have is that I think being able to move at super speed could have enormous power of potential.Edward: I think that's the best power.Micheal: Yeah. If like,Edward: oh, except, except for if, you know, it's a better power. Flying fast. Running fast. Really, really good. Better flying fast. Because if there was The Thing in Europe, can, he runs so fast, he runs on water. I don't think he runs that fast.Micheal: I don't know. I don't know. But, you're the physicist. And so how does it work if Quicksilver can run, say as fast as a plane, right? Sure. Just say that. Sure. Would his body not to be super durable and super strong to withstand that pressure, like say he's running, like if I'm running really fast, fast for me, or I'm in a car going very fast and I put my hand out the window and I hit a mailbox, like think my arm will fly off, right? It's just, I'll break my arm.Edward: But don't do that, Michael. Don't do that.Micheal: Don't do that. All the listeners at home don't do that. But so quick.Edward: I teach, I teach our kids not do that. Like, don't put your arm outside the window. Just don't, it's not a thing.Micheal: Not a good idea. So if you are Quicksilver and you're running very fast, presumably he's running so fast, he's running into bugs or pounding off his face and it's probably next to impossible not to hit things. Is his body super durable result?Edward: If it is durable, it must, must have some, it must, like if nothing else, his eyes are super D, durable. The guy's not wearing goggles, right? Like he's running along and if a bug gets in his eye at 400 miles an hour, that's like, that's his eye's gone.It's a dead eye, dead eye. He's a pirate.Micheal: Yeah, he's a pirate, like in both eyes. He's not, he's probably outta the pieing business too, unless, um, well, I guess he could find a way to accommodate that, I guess. But I guess that sounds more insensitive than, I mean, but like, anyways, hopefully he doesn't lose both his eyes, but, um,Edward: he's not losing his eyes. He has some sort of super eyes. He has better eyes than Hawkeye.Micheal: Okay, so he must, so he must be powerful and if his body's durable, then I'd imagine that you're the physicist. If he hits something with that amount of speed, he just obliterates somebody, wouldn't he? Through a wall?Edward: Yeah. Yeah. This is a mathematical equation for this. It's very simple equation. It's just mass times velocity. And so the amount of damage you're gonna do is mass times velocity. And so if you go twice as fast, you can weigh half as much and still do the same amount of damage. Right. The faster he goes. So if he's, yeah, so if I charge into you and like, I dunno was making up a number, I weigh 200 pounds and I charge into you. I don't even know how fast one runs. Like I run 10 miles an hour into you. That's gonna do 10 times 200 or like 400 pounds per second image or something. But if he runs at 200 miles an hour, he can be. Much smaller than me, it would still do a lot more damage. But your point, your point, he's probably heavier than that. He's probably, he's durable and strong to begin with. Cause if he runs into something, the damage that he receives is the same damage as The Thing receives it's equal and parallel. Yeah. And usually what happens is The, Thing that's moving really fast is much bigger and stronger and runs into the other thing. So he must be like, he must have some sort of like super durability if he runs into anything otherwise he's squished.Micheal: Exactly. So, he must have super durability and therefore with the super durability and the strength, it means he's super strong basically.Edward: Do we know that he's strong? Oh, he's, his legs must be strong to move it fast.Micheal: They would be, but like again, like if he's going, if he's super durable and he's like running in it to you with his fist and his fist hits you, that would effectively be super strong.It would cause serious damage. Not to his fist if it's durable. Yeah, fair enough. The. Thing, he said it,Edward: it would do. Damn. But it doesn't mean he can lift things. He's not strong. Strong. He can't lift a car.Micheal: Well, no, you're right. He's powerful. Yeah.Edward: Powerful. Not strong.Micheal: I like that we're getting to these distinctions.Like this is strength. Strength is not so great. Power powers lots of charts.It's like, anyway,Edward: Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee can punch really strong, but he's not necessarily strong, but he can like, he's powerful.Micheal: He's powerful. He's not necessarily strong. He couldn't lift somebody, if they fell off a building, he grabs his hand. I could pull you up, you know, or something. He'd be like, uh, no. But I could punch, punch. I could punch you. So he won't feel it when you hit the ground. No, I think that it's a challenge, a challenge to suggest that he's, that's not a challenge. Sorry, I, that's a totally wrong point that I was trying to make there.Let me rewind that. I think that if we're getting back to the original point, I think that the closest that you get to replacing Thor. Or Giant man or Iron. Man in the function would have to be quicksilver. That's the only way,Edward: and I guess you could argue that most of the time, what does Thor and Iron Man and Giant Man use their strength for? They use it for punching people. Mm-hmm. They use it for damaging villains and like they don't spend a lot of their time like lifting villains up in the air.Micheal: No. And so that they effectively, they're doing their job. Yeah. So that'sEdward: Okay. All right. So maybe quick silver's, the replacement. I still think it's a sketchy team. I think they're in for, in for a wake up call.Micheal: Yeah. And we'll be there to chronicle it. Yes.Edward: But you talked about, Hawkeye replacing Captain America, and so that's not true. So we, if we do like a one-to-one comparisons here, Hawkeye did not replace Captain America.Hawkeye I think replaced Iron Man. My original argument. Mm-hmm. They're both technologically people and they do all sorts crazy things. So that's the replacement. And then I think you're saying Quicksilver is basically replacing Thor, Thor taking out the strength ring, which I guess, hey, it's a different versatile power and he's powerful, maybe, seems weak. And that leaves Scarlet Witch who basically takes on the role of Giant Man and the WASP and takes on two of them at the same time. And, I don't know. That seems also there's a gap. There's a gapMicheal: maybe, but maybe I'm kind of stretching a bit. But maybe the Scarlet Witch,Edward: there's, well, we, Richard not on the team, so there's, there's no stretching involved, Michael.Micheal: No, but like this is Trace, but The Scarlet Witch. The Scarlet Witch, she's got an unpredictability to her power and in a way like, This is a bit of stretch, but chime in and, and was, have always been unpredictable. It's just sort of weird, the idea that super small, it's counterintuitive like that being super small leads to some benefit to the team, but it clearly did. So maybe that's to some degree she kind of functions in that capacity.Edward: She's the surprise, the, you know, surprise factor, like giant man in the wasp can surprise you because they're little small things and they pop up in the really big. Yeah. And so now she's using her magic to be like surprising her red magic. Cause you never know what it's gonna do.Micheal: Alright, let, we figured it out. Good luck to the new Captain America LED team. Uh, there you go.Edward: Well, hey, there's more to it than that though, because they're talking about, about potentially bringing Hulk onto the team. That's the new rumor. Although, Hey, can we, can we listen to any rumors? Can we listen to any rumors at this point?Micheal: No, even though we are a show that speculates. I like, we have to be careful about spreading rumors because, maybe it wouldn't be fair at this moment to speculate about other people joining the team because Cap did come out and introduce his three teammates as being this is our team so before we start saying, yeah, but maybe you should get. Like a crazy green monster in your team. We should probably just give 'em a chance at showing us how this is gonna work.Edward: Yeah, just do working with what they have. I think the one other point I think we need to get in before we wrap this up is that Tony Stark is clearly back involved. We talked before about how maybe this is a more of a government organization now the FSA is taking charge of things and approving all these people and letting them on the team. We thought maybe it's shifted a little bit from being part of Stark Corp to being part of the federal government. But when Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were flown into the country, it wasn't someone from the Pentagon that met with them. It was Tony Stark who was there at the airport greeting them and bringing them on, taking them to the Avengers Mansion.Micheal: That's what you're saying is that it's the military industrial complex.Edward: It's the military industrial complex. It's all connected, Michael, it's all connected.Micheal: It's all the same apparently. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

EMBS Episode 38: Vote for Pedro

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2023 102:38

Individually they were just like those guys who like to hang around the comic book shop and talk comics but together they form the Earth's Mightiest Podcast! In this episode we talk whatever comes to mind as of March 9, 2023 Prospect (Hulu) The Ark (Peacock/Spectrum) Moongirl and Devil Dinosaur (Disney+) Mandalorian (Disney+) Buddy Daddies (Crunchyroll) Dreamcatcher (Kpop) State of the MCU State of the DCU TMNT Mutant Mayhem: Teaser Legendary Marvel Improv Legendary Marvel Improv Mastermind: Zombie Green Goblin Scheme: Smash Two Dimensions Together Henchmen: Shi'ar Death Commandos Villains: Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Deadlands, Domain of Apocalypse Heroes: Psi-Lord, Star-Lord, Thor, Miles Morales Spider-Man, Venom [EMBS RSS] Subscribe [RSS All] Subscribe [Google Play All] Subscribe [iTunes] Subscribe Music: EMP theme song By Tribe One http://tribeonewon.wordpress.com/

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E197: Criminal obligations, or obligations to criminals - one way or the other, (X-Men #11) -- May 1964

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2023 13:26

In this episode:Mike and Ed discuss the end of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. The X-Xen claim that Magneto and Toad have been kidnapped by an inter-dimensional being, Mastermind is dead, and Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch have retired to Eastern Europe. Are any of those things okay? Should there be an investigation into Mastermind's death? Should there be a rescue mission to recover Magneto (and Toad)? Are super-terrorists just allowed to retire? Is that a thing? Mike and Ed have some divergent opinions. Where do you stand?Behind the issue:Clearly this is not the true end of Magneto. He returns in X-Men #17 (February 1966) and it is eventually revealed that he escaped from the Stranger by stealing a spaceship and returning to Earth, whereupon he immediately tried to kill all of the X-Men.In this issue:The X-Men detect a super-powered being of unknown origin, and seem a little nervous about it. Meanwhile, a tall man with a shock of white hair moseys through the city, walking on air and through walls - he is clearly the super-powered being and is ultimately referred to as the Stranger - until he finds Magneto and his Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. The Stranger battles Magneto and his team, overpowering him. He turns Mastermind into a solid block of matter, and then the X-Men burst in and start battling the Brotherhood too. Ultimately, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver confess to the X-Men that they are quitting the Brotherhood, having repaid their debt to Magneto. The Stranger then kidnaps Magneto and Toad, flying off into space with them, with the X-Men powerless to assist.Assumed before the next episode:People are wondering whether they are more safe, knowing that a super-powered alien can overpower Magneto and take him into space.This episode takes place:After the Brotherhood has been disbanded in a very unorthodox manner.Full transcript:Edward: Michael, it's the end of an era. It's the end of the brotherhood of evil mutants. They are no longer a brotherhood. They're done.Micheal: problem solved.Edward: I'm sure there'll be other problems out there, but it is nice that one of the big super terrorists hanging over the head of our country is no longer an issue anymore. The X-Men have reported that Magni and the towed, the leader and one of the members of the brotherhood have been kidnapped, detained by some sort of alien being. And, the three remaining members, two have retired and one is apparently dead.Micheal: So there's a bunch of stuff that comes out of it let's. The X-men at their word and say that, what'd they say? An alien took Magni and towed awayEdward: some sort of alien or interdimensional being someone who's not from here, it was you who said that. How do you define an alien? An alien is someone not from Earth? And it sounds like this guy's not from Earth.Micheal: So let's just call him just for sake of convenience. See, this alien is taking magni and towed away, so that's okay. Fine, but. Do we just leave it at that? If say a kindly grandmother and her,Edward: wanna hear where you're going with this,Micheal: kidnapped by an alien, would we just be like, oh, well, aliens, you know, aliens, they just, they just kidnap peopleEdward: I think. I think, well, I think, well, hey, I think there's a difference between a grandmother and a.Micheal: But why is there, I mean, the point is like there isn't actually likeEdward: no, there's no if, if, wait a minute, you're arguing. There's no difference between a terrorist and a grand.Micheal: But not certainly.Edward: Who is your grandmother?What is your grandmother like? Michael?Micheal: I loved my grandmother's. I did, but what I'm trying to say, I'm not comparing, I'm not saying that you've gotta treat your grandmother like a terrorist, but you probably need to treat terrorists as human beings. I mean, or criminals or accused. Criminals still have the same rights as the, as the rest of us, and so,Edward: Do they, do they do They have the same, right?Like do,Micheal: of course they do.Edward: Like I have the freedom of movement. I can go around and I could go to the grocery store, I can visit my mom, I can visit my grandmother. But if you're a terrorist and you committed a crime, we put you in jail. You don't have freedom of movement anymore. Let's, we take that right away.Micheal: No right's been taken away. There's been no trial of Magni in towed. Like right now. Right now, they are men that might be accused it's been allegedly committed crimes, and if they're convicted of it, then sure, some of their civil liberties will be taken away restricted. My point is that if, the X-men come and say, don't worry guys, an alien stole these two people and took them away, what's the response like? We're now not alone in the universe and we know that and, so we must be considering. There could be these alien abductions and we need to have a response to it. I'm sure if your grandmother was kidnapped by aliens, you'd want to have some kind of response. You'd want Reed Richards to get into a spaceship and chase down those aliens and rescue your grandma.Edward: Absolutely. Well, lemme put an asterisk. I think that's true. Unless my grandmother was a terrorist, in which case, you know what, I'm okay. You can leave her. It's a terrorist exception. Terrorist exception to grandmother kidnapping.Micheal: Don't think there is an exception to it.So I'm saying that the public sympathy might not be there, but if, let's just make it more earthbound. If an accused terrorist was in a boat that caught the wrong tide and the engines out and it's going out to sea, would you expect the Coast Guard to go rescue that person?Edward: I think so,Micheal: yes. You wouldEdward: yeah. You'd want go and capture those. You wanna capture them. I wouldn't want the Coast Guard to rescue them. You. I want them to go and capture them.Micheal: I know, but, the law works that you actually would have to, you have an obligation to try to rescue them. I think you do have an obligation to do that. How you treat them after you re rescue them is another matter.Edward: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's correct. I think the difference is a little bit is. That the amount of resources and effort it would take to capture a boat floating in the ocean is a little different than the amount of resources it would take to capture an interdimensional kidnapping. There are a lot of Coast Guard people that can go and help a lot of people who get trapped in boats. Mm-hmm. I think we have to be, we have limited resources for capturing interdimensional, kidnappings. We have like what, four or five people on the planet that can do that for?Micheal: What did Reed Richards go to space for recently? Didn't he go for some kinda personal reason, like,Edward: well, it was semi-personal. It was, his father-in-law had been killed by the scrolls and he went and negotiated a peace treaty with the scrolls as part of that peace treaty, the person who this individual scroll, who killed his father-in-law was put to justice on the scroll home world.Micheal: Yes. So personal. So, okay, got it. So anyways, what I'm trying to say is that I understand your point, we're not gonna bankrupt the entire Earth to save Magni, but the question has to be asked, to what extent do we actually extend ourselves with respect to not just leave inside the terrorist part, which is hard to do, but leave it from the, what is, what is the extent to which we will actually take steps to address interplanetary crime or aliens. Now we don't have to worry about just bad guys on earth doing bad things to people, but people from other dimensions or other worlds doing bad things to our people. So what's our response? And I don't know what it is yet, but right now it seems to be.Okay. It's too bad. See, later Magnis. See later tote, you're going to another planet or another dimension or something.Edward: So, hey, maybe the answer is, we put it onto Reed, Richards to-do list and he can prioritize it versus all the other things. If there's a bunch of grandmothers but that been kidnapped, let's get to the grandmother's first. And Magni can be somewhere further down the list and maybe somewhere on his list. Getting flying cars to the masses. And personally, I'd rather have flying cars be a common consumer purchase product than save Magni. Like, that's my own personal priority list.Micheal: Typical, typical capitalist and socialist kinda conversation. But anyways, to move on to the next point, so let's assuming that the X-men are telling the truth, right? What if they aren't? How do we know that aren't the truth?Edward: You and your, decept, you think not everyone's a lie. Like why would they be lying about this?Micheal: Well, because they've been fighting because Mag's been trying to kill the X-Men. And so then they come back and say, Hey guys, uh, what?Edward: To be fair, to be fair, Mag's been trying to kill everyone. That's not just the X-Men,Micheal: but they've been in hand, hand combat with him and they have, so the X-Men come back and say, Hey, hey guys. Uh, yeah. So anyways, you know that guy that was trying to kill us? Yeah. He's gone. Oh. Oh, really? What happened? Ah, An alien took him away. Oh, okay. Problem solve. There's no recourse or ability to investigate to see whether they're telling the truth. The expert aren't the good guys,Edward: but, but hold on. Even if they did, so let's, let's say they were in battle with Magni. If they told us, Hey, we were in battle with Magni and towed, and in the course of that battle they were killed. Well, that seems like a defensible position as well. They didn't need to make up this alien abduction thing. They could have just said Magda was trying to kill us with his magneto powers, and in the process we blasted him to smithereens.Micheal: I think that if the X-Men came back and admitted to killing Magni and Toad, let's not forget about Toad admitted to killing these two people.Everyone does, but you know, I dunno what his power is.Edward: He's like a rounding error. Hey, to Toad was like the first public he was the first public mutant. Remember back in the day, he was the one that tried to cheat. He was cheating in the track meet. And that's how we knew about mut.Micheal: Okay, so he's not doing so well in being a valuable member of society, I guess. But my point is that if they came back and said, we killed these two people, it is different than saying we had nothing to do with them until this disappeared. I think that there is a world of difference between how the processes that have to be followed you know what I mean? SoEdward: I don't knows happening. Yeah. They killed the world's most dangerous terrorist. I don't think people would be that upset with them. And they can be reasonable as from a self-sense point of view, because we know that Magda was trying to kill them.So they have a self-defense. I think the, the, also, also, also, one of them is dead, right? So they, the mastermind, one of the brotherhood of evil mutants, the X-Men have reported he's dead. No one seems upset about that particularly.Micheal: I know I'm asking questions cause I find it weird. I find it to be the weirdest thing that people are just like, oh, well, oh well, oh, well the X-men say that these people are gone or disappeared or stolen away or are dead.Oh, well the X-men say it, these people that no one knows who they are, but you know, goodbye me. But it's okay.Edward: But it's not that. It's not, oh, well it's, congratulations. Congratulations. You've eliminated a threat. A threat. But my point is, if they're gonna lie, why wouldn't they just. All three of them got taken away by an alien.What would they say? Two got taken away by an alien. One was killed, and two retired to Eastern Europe.Micheal: Super criminal Mastermind Ed. I don't know. I'm not saying they're super criminals, but look, if a police officer shot somebody in the street, the special investigations unit would be involved. Sure. And it'd be a whole process. I think there should be no different than if a mass vigilante part of a group that may be associated with the government. Kills somebody that there should be an investigation as well, and it should be public.Edward: Yeah. Look, this is different than, this is more like a soldier kills, another soldier in combat.And so there's no crime scene investigation when that happens.Micheal: I'm, that's because the rules of war applied. I mean, there's been an act.Edward: This is the war, war with this brotherhood, people.Micheal: We aren't No, no. Right now. It's right now if there're terrorists and it's crimes that they're committing, it's not actually a war.So I think the laws, the laws also to apply. Yet there has to be an equal application.Edward: They're terrorism laws.Micheal: Yeah, but those are different. It's not the same as being at war with the terrorist. That's not how it works. There's still is be, if you shot somebody. He was a terrorist.Edward: No, no. Yeah, but it's, you can't do it after the fact. You can't just go start killing people and calling them terrorists after the fact. I'm talking about these guys are identified terrorists before the fact, and they're committing terrorism and we know that they are. We need to go and shut them down somehow.And I think the X-Men did that. So, and it wasn't like they were, they weren't like totally brutal about it. Like two of them retired. Can we talk about that for a second? How come they retire? Talk about is is retirement from terrorism an option? Is that a thing?Micheal: Okay. Before we get there, that's a really good question. But before I do, I just wanted to finish up this one point. Just say what you're basically saying is a toad who looks kind of like an odd guy. And he's just goes down to the grocery store, you get a bag of chips and someone sees him and says, Hey, he's a terrorist, and he shoots him.That'd be, that'd be fine, is what you're saying.Edward: No, that wouldn't be, that would not be, because the problem is that there'd be too many mystique identities. People be, start shooting random people and being like, I thought you were to. It's not my fault. I'm sorry.Micheal: You're just an ugly person that seems to run fast.Edward: He looked like a runner. That's why I shot him. Look how he jumped over that aisle. Like that was the end of him.Micheal: Or they, or they shoot, they shoot Magni. It's like, why? It's like I saw the silver War move around him and I thought he was like, instead it was just, you know, this like tremor.Edward: There's, yeah. So that, that to me, that's the bigger issue is not that toad is dead. It's that I don't want people using that as an excuse to go and kill track.Micheal: Right, because you want, because you want equal, equal application of the law. That's the whole point, of having, being civilized society.Edward: I know. All I'm saying is I'm not sad that Tow and Magnier were gone and that Mag Mastermind is dead. But can we call, can we talk about the retirement? No, neither. Can we talk about retirement now? Nevermind. So Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch apparently said, Now that we, the rest of my team is gone, we're not gonna continue in our villainous ways. We're just gonna move back to Eastern Europe and what Hang out. Like that's it. We're done. Like, is that like we're hired for terrorism. That's, we're done.Micheal: I, another odd thing, it's like, oh, well, you know what, and I don't think they even said we see the air of our ways.They're just kind of like, I'm done with t. My boss is dead or gone. So, uh, anyways, uh, I'm just gonna go hang out at the beach or just not be arrested. Like, like, I mean, isn't this the right time for say the Avengers or the X-Men to go over and arrest them if they have the power to do so?Edward: Yeah. You think so?Micheal: Most of their team's gone and then they committed crimes.Edward: Yeah, we've had this issue before, right? Where are these people even like presentable, like quick Quicksilver is like so fast. Can you actually hold them anywhere? The Scarlet Witch apparently has witch powers is able to like, Be witch things like can we actually hold them and maybe we can't hold them.Maybe the answer is like okay, we have two choices. We can take them at their word that they're done committing crimes and let them go do something or we can murder them. Are those the two options?Micheal: Yeah. So we're treating them like, like what? Like an angry elephant. You know what I mean? Like, just, just stay away.Like That's right. Antagonize the elephant. They might trample, you know, your tent, but if, uh, you know, the elephant doesn't seem to be interested in us, let them walk on by the whole pride of elephants or whatever. What's it called? It's a pack. Pack of elephants.Edward: Pack of elephants. Herd. Is it a herd of elephant?I don't know. I don't, these are, these are questions that people wanna know, but we had a herd of mutants a herd of evil mutants murder, a murder of mutants, a murder of mutants. And, now there are two, but apparently we've done, and look, I guess I question whether or not that's actually true and whether these two are gonna come back and cause havoc in the future. And so I don't know what, what to do at this point. Like, I, but I think you're right. Like murdering them seems like a little overkill given the fact that they. Said that they're not gonna do any more bad things.Micheal: So shouldn't the priority then be like, I as, you know, I don't lean towards imprisoning people, but I guess the priority should be about figuring out ways to do that, right?Because I don't think it's consistent with my view about equal application and being equal before the law. I don't think it's a good idea for society to allow people to commit crimes and just let them walk away because they say they're done committing those crimes. I also don't think it's good for society just to murder them or let aliens kidnap them. But I do think that maybe you could have a system in place to imprison them, keep them away, and hopefully rehabilitate them. But like you say, I don't think we have the capacity for it, just.,Edward: that's Mike. Just, just sitting on the fence. You won't murder them and won't let them walk away.Micheal: Classic. Keely just refuses. Refuses to kill people. Unhappy about them getting away with their crimes. What?Edward: Can't make a decision.Micheal: Can't make a decision. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

E192: Superhero branding, branding, and re-branding (Avengers #15) -- April 1965

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In this episode:Mike and Ed discuss the battle between the Avengers and the Masters of Evil - not to be confused with the Brotherhood of Evil. Ed explains the importance of differentiation in your brand - you don't want to be confused for someone else. Mike wants to know if every superhero also has to be a tailor in their spare time. How many costumes does someone like Spider-Man own? Is his summer costume made with different material than his winter costume? Is the real benefit of being on a super team the laundry services? And why is Giant-Man re-branding yet again? The red and blue suits you, big guy, now stop fiddling with it and just embrace the fit!Behind the issue:This is the last full issue of this Avengers roster. The next issue, Avengers #16, completely changes the membership (more on that when we cover that issue). This issue ends on a cliffhanger but is wrapped up quickly in the next issue. The battle is used as the driver of why most of the team members decide to leave the organization. Also in this issue, Captain America battles Baron Zemo one-on-one and kills him. But that takes place in a far away country and is, at this point, unknown to the wider public.In this issue:Steve Rogers is contemplating a career change. As he does so, he notices the supervillains the Enchantress and the Executioner drive by, and he chases after them but they get away. Steve changes into his Captain America gear and reports back to the Avengers about the evil duo being in the city. They resolve to deal with them, but before they can do so, Rick Jones is kidnapped right in front of them by henchmen working for Baron Zemo. The Enchantress and the Executioner then break the Black Knight and the Melter out of prison and have them join their team with Zemo, the Masters of Evil. Iron Man and Thor do battle with the Black Knight and the Melter high above the city, while Giant-Man and the Wasp chase after the Enchantress and the Executioner at street level. The villains are ultimately defeated. At the same time, on a separate mission, Captain America locates Rick and frees him, with Zemo dying in the process by his own hand (accidentally).Assumed before the next episode:People are keeping an eye out in the streets for large muscular people in costumes, and then running for their lives so they are not caught up in a super-person battle.This episode takes place:After the Avengers have defeated the Masters of Evil.Full transcript:Edward: All right. That's what I'm talking about, Mike. We got the Avengers fighting a League of Evil super villains in the city. They're back to doing what we pay them to do.Michael: Or somebody pays them to do , but definitelyEdward: our tax dollars at work. Mike, our tax dollars at work,Michael: back to business, doing what we want them to do and not dealing with what was the last thing that they're caught up in, just. Regular,Edward: regular, regular what wasn't like giant man dealing with the mafia, I just felt like know, like get, get, get back on track. We have police that can deal with the regular stuff, but when you have a guy who can melt walls and an enchant who's casting magic spells and an as guardian and executioner, now is the time to step in with superpower people.Michael: That's right if we're anything Ed, we definitely believe in specialties and specialists. and superheroes are by definition specialists in super villains, not just, you know, rescuing cats stuck in trees and, and, uh,Edward: oh, my, I would be mundane, angry if Thor was spending his time getting cats outta trees.like, I feel like, like, not, not a good use of tax dollars. I dunno what we're paying him, but I figure we could pay someone a lot less to get the cats outta the trees. .Michael: But that being said, if my cat got stuck in a tree, I'd rather Thor flew up there than I had to climb a tree and possibly break my neck trying to rescue the bloody cat. But anyways,Edward: I, okay. Like you are not specialized in getting cats outta trees, that is not your specialty either. You stick to the law. Thor sticks to the super villains, and we can get the firefighters to get the cats out of the trees.Michael: All right. I think we've settled on it, on what should happen, certainly with cats and trees, but also with superheroes addressing super villains and so, It's back to business as usual, not great that we had to have them as, you know, having evil super villains, the masters of evil coming back and battling the Avengers, but at least, yeah, fine. The Avengers are tackling this discreet issue.Edward: Let's not even talk about the fact they're called the Masters of Evil. Again, we have the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, we have the Masters of Evil, we have the frightful four. Like these guys are just throwing themselves out there as being, I am not to be trusted.Michael: I know. Bless. I don't know. It's like good and evil are just, there's no like room for gray in here. Maybe there's . There's no misunderstanding.Edward: The masters of Gray we're the brotherhood of ambiguity, .Michael: How about misunderstood, tough childhood and trying to work through it. People together in a union, fighting for own version of justiceEdward: I will say as a marketing guy the bigger problem is, it's just confusing because right, there's the brotherhood of evil, but, and there's the masters of evil, like, I think. The evil is the key word in both those brands and it's easy to confuse them. Mm-hmm. So to be clear, the masters of evil who fought the Avengers this week there was the melter who could melt metal, not magni, who could move metal. Totally different people, unrelated, different teams, different names, but the same team name. Using that evil.Michael: There's some overlap there I guess, but I think they maybe, well you gotta wonder why they haven't consulted with, an agency about branding, which would make sense.Edward: So the key thing on branding is, number one is be descriptive. And I guess they're being descriptive. We are evil, mean people. And they've handled that part of it. But you also need to differentiate yourself. The other people who are doing similar work. And so if there's two teams of evil people doing evil super stuff, you just can't, you need to find a new name for yourself. And Frightful four does it, right? Frightful four does not use the evil name. They went to their local Theora and they've, looked up evil and they're like, you know what else is similar to evil is frightful. How about frightful instead of evil? And they're like, let's go with it. And there's no confusion there. But I think Masters of Evil and Brotherhood of Evil, to me, those are too close. And one of them should re. .Michael: That leads to the next question. We talked about lawyers might specialize in super powered people and insurance might be responsive to it. I wonder if there's any, well you would know, are there any agencies that deal with this kind of stuff?Edward: I don't think it's, the market's not big enough, Mike. The market's not big enough. Hmm. And, and especially if you're dealing with, nobody wants to be the marketing agency to. The criminals and the mafia. There's no mafia doesn't have a marketing agency working for them. They might have marketers as part of their team, but it's not like they need, they don't need them the way they need, lawyers and accountants.Michael: I'm not saying that General Electric is evil or anything, but you know, , they, they, they definitely, and they, they don't practiceEdward: the, the General Electric of Evil .Michael: No, but I mean like, like they're big corporations that, that, actually I don't wanna get sued by General Electric never meant nevermind about that. But, but regardless, I would imagine that there's agencies that would, for the right price would certain. Wanna be engaged by the Masters of Evil to say, let's call yourselves, maybe not the masters of evil, but the master, you know, the brotherhood of people. I don't know. Or something. Brotherhood of people. Some kinda, some kinda like, I said the, brotherhood of evil. Like the idea is like there's some kind of more palatable name that they could have to achieve their goals. I would imagineEdward: they could take the name they have right now, instead of the Masters of Evil, just be like, How about just the masters? The masters, the masters of super, the ma, the masters of powers, take the other characteristics they have other than evilness and lean. Lean into those. .Michael: Yeah. Like maybe like, they're really smart, I don't think if they're getting in fights with the Avengers, they need people to tell them that they're the antagonist in this dispute. Cuz the Avengers have clearly occupied the superhero world. Why don't you just call them some, call themselves something else? Like the masters or the, uh, the terrifics or something. It's the positive. Be positive by yourself, the public.Edward: Take the Avengers name and play that. Like, they can be the Avengers, like they can, they're the anti Avengers and the anti Avengers. You could define yourselves as being the opposite of your competitor.Michael: And leave it open as to whether they're in the wrong or not, that's what I find so confusing about the branding of automatically saying, we are definitely in the wrong, we are evil people. Evil, evil, evil. Or we are frightful, terrible, terrible people, , we just call themselves the amazing four, let people find out that they're bad. ,Edward: surprise, also evil.Michael: Surprised I was evil. But you know, we kind of had you there. You bought our action figures, because we're the amazing four hey Rob banks and try to destroy nuclear powered, power stations. But anyways. Mm-hmm. we're the amazings,Edward: I think the part of the has become is we don't see a lot of rebranding we've seen groupings of superheroes that come together and created a new brand, but the Avengers haven't decided, oh, we're gonna change our name. Or the Fantastic Four haven't been like, you know what? We've, we totally made a mistake. There is a possibility we could add a fifth member . Um, we need a new name. Um, yeah. It seems like everybody's commit. Well, I guess with one exception, ant Man has rebranded, right? Right. But apart, but apart from Ant Man, everybody's basically stuck with the. Brand since they started. We have any superhero that's switched brands along the way, or super villain for that. .Michael: No. And again, I kind of was being a little tongue in cheek about having agencies that might be involved in branding, but there's probably something to it, if not the name, certainly in the costumes or the outlook or the perspective on, or at least the narrative that they wanna advance. Because we do know that there are some superheroes who are more popular than others, why is Captain America more popular than Spider-Man? It might. because of the name. It might be because he's not covering his whole face. It might be just a costume, but, I'd imagine that there's something there. There's value in being popular and being celebrities as we know the fantastic force. Certainly there's a value in that and a financial benefit to that. So you think it might be worth their time to actually consult? Maybe a lot of them have, certainly the Fantastic four have already consulted with a brand expert and they say, you know, yeah, sure you might be limited in your membership numbers, but you're doing everything else right? You have a very clean, clear lines in your costumes. You're not hiding your face. You don't even have se secret entities. And that's led to them being not only popular, but making money from the whole enterprise. And you gotta wonder, maybe other people would. From it. Or they've already gone through it and just are just trying to play out the whole marketing plan.Edward: We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We can just see the effects and like I can say there are certain things that are pretty consistent in the world of branding that are important. Mm-hmm. , so things like affiliating your brand with good things. , right? So this is why we run advertisements. That's why beer commercials show people drinking beer and having fun. And now you say, oh, you know what, if I drink beer, maybe I will have fun too. Maybe I will be surrounded by attractive women. And I think there's no difference in superheroes where if Spider-Man is continually getting affiliated with bad things, we start to affiliate Spider-Man as being bad. And if Captain America's affiliated with winning World War ii, which was a pretty good thing that. Leans off onto his brand. So that's number one. Number two is brand longevity matters a lot too. So a brand that's been around for a long time, people tend to like the things that stick around. And part of that's a trust thing because if you have a brand that's brand new, you don't know whether to trust it or not. But if something's been around, like ivory soap has been around for 60 years or something like that, they have a pretty good consistent record on, they're gonna do, they're gonna make you clean. And I think that's part of the reason why Captain America is so loved is he's been around longer time and they, he's consistently stuck on message and delivered that same message over and over and over again, over an extended period of time. And so we can trust him. But Spider-Man, he's like a brand new dude who knows what's what he's gonna do.Michael: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Well, yeah. And of course, this is something you have an expertise in about branding. But that leads to the question then. But the question I asked earlier is do you think that most these of these superheroes have consulted with a brand expert?Edward: No. No, of course not. No. they not talking to anybody. They peop, but like, just like most companies don't spend a lot of time with brand experts. They figure out things on their own, uh, and mm-hmm. and the biggest companies have lot. They're spending money on everything. But smaller companies, and I think most superheroes, you can think of them as fairly small companies. They're small, like little tiny startups trying to figure stuff out and they're not gonna have a budget to go. Spiderman doesn't a budget these spending on public relations people and a marketing team and a advertising organization and like they, they don't have that stuff. Most celebrities may have a publicist and a manager at best. And I think most superheroes are behind. .Michael: Well then let's talk about the one superhero who seems to be constantly rebranding and who would probably benefit from having some assistance. Antman, I mean, giant Man. I mean, okay. , whatever he is. How many costume ?Edward: Well, he's just had three. Right. So he had Antman and he was fairly consistent as Aunt Man. Yeah. And then he rebranded to Giant Man, and that was very confusing. Yeah. For a long time we didn't even know the Giant Man and Antman were the same person. And then, and now he has a new costume again, so this is. His second rebrand, and as far as I know, he's sticking with the name this time. He's not rebranding the name, just the look and. .Michael: But it's sort of funny, so if you go through those cautions first, when he is ant man, he clearly looked like, he's small and stuff and it's just like a red costume and stuff. And then when he is giant man, he still had those sort of funny antennas on his, head that suggests like, all right, okay, and he's bigger, he's walking around and like all giant, he's a giant now. He's a giant ant. Like it's just like, why don't you just call yourself like big aunt or something, and then, cuz that's what he's like, why if you're now giant, man, when I think of giants, I don't think of having an antennas on their heads, but whatever. That's what he did and now he seems to have. Well, let me think about, look at the news. Did he, does he still have those antenna on his head in his new costume?Edward: I don't even know. I haven't, I should have done more research. I feel like I haven't spent time really examining this new costume of hisMichael: Well, regardless, it's another rebranding and so that's where I'm wondering. Okay. If he, if this isn't part of a plan, then what is it? Is it just that he's like, I don't know, I don't say this, but insecure about his, you know, he's just like, oh gosh, doesn't make me look so good.Edward: So I think it's like, Hey, stay. Staying with a consistent costume can't be easy on any of these guys. Now the advantage is they don't need to think of what they're gonna wear in the morning, but the disadvantages is how many costumes do they have to have? Like you, you and I, I think I have a fairly consistent brand in terms of what I wear. I don't wear, I'm not gonna show up to work in like, I don't know, green tights. I'm gonna wear the consistent clothes every time I go to work. , but it doesn't mean I wear exactly the same clothes. I might have a blue suit or a black suit. I might wear a white collar or a blue collar. I feel like I can change up within a range. Yeah. It feels like superheroes don't do that and maybe giant man is just trying that. He's like, you know what, today, I just didn't feel like the antennas.Michael: Well, okay. Just to loop back on that, I've looked at the, the reporting still going with the antennas, , I don't get it, but regardless,Edward: he's, keeping, so there you go. That's his consistent theme. Yeah. He was like, he was an ant man to a giant man, to a, new giant man, and he kept like the ant theme all the way along. And, that's a branding choice too. So you take some brand elements and you carry them forward so people can still, when they walk into the store to pick up their. Tide, the new Tide brand looks different, but it looks similar enough to the old brand. They're not gonna get confused.Michael: Okay. So he is following some of the rules that you've identified, but when you're talking about this costume idea, so leaving aside the branding issue is just how is it working with costumes? Because, you know, like I like to exercise as you, as you know, and so do you, and I've got a number of outfits that I use. For any other reason than practicality. If I exercise, I need to wash the clothing right away. So these guys are like, let's say take Spider-Man for example. That guy is swinging through the city. He must be sweating like crazy . And you think he just goes home? Is he doing laundry every single night,Edward: Do you think he has a summer version of his costume and a winter version? When it's cold out, he wears his warm tights and then the summer he's wearing I dunno, really, really thin tights.Michael: You'd have to, it'd be a winter weight and a summer weight but also on top of that, in the summer, you probably have to have way more versions of this costume . And so who's making it for him? Or is he just laundering it every night? Who made it to begin with, but then. , who's clean, who's continuing to make other costumes for 'em, or same version of the costume, which looks complicated. You see all the design elements and then clean.Edward: I guarantee if I was a superhero, I would be wearing block colors. There's no way I'm gonna making, these are like small black lines on my, I'd be like, I'm gonna wear red and I'm gonna go buy some red stuff and just make a red costume. The idea of sewing together the blue and the red, and then to your point, not doing it once. It's not like the guy behind Spider-Man's mask is, maybe he's a tailor for his side job, but, he's not making one costume. To your point. He, he must have dozens of costumes for the different seasons and, for the smell. If he has so many and to make them all identical.Michael: Yeah, it's quite an enterprise and to my knowledge, I don't think Spider-Man makes money from what he's doing so it's quite an investment. It's not just one costume. Maybe he could have gotten away with having a few of those costumes if he just was dressed in all black, for instance, with a funny mask and maybe you don't to, well, he had to wash the mask every night. If you're wearing this full head on mask, It probably It would stink too.Edward: Yeah, like crazy. And maybe that's, maybe he only has one or two costumes and he just washes them every night. He goes home. He has his own, he's clearly not taking them to like a public, dry cleaners. He probably has his washing dryer in his house and he's just running the washer and dryer. Every he gets home, takes off his outfit, washes it, dries it, and it's ready to go the next day.Michael: Or has the most discreet laundromat in the world, , you know, in addition to the most discreet Taylor, but that's not just him, right? It's all the, these heroes, they present with the same costume. And if we're comparing them to say, The police or the military, they have multiple versions of their outfits when they're on duty, when they have to wear outfits for work. It's mindblowing to me. So let's go to a team element, I'd imagine that, if you want to find out, I suspect they all know who each other are on this, on the Avengers. So we wonder if, find out who they were. I bet if they all are having their costumes washed by somebody or they're having mul tailors, , you know, prepare their costumes for, somebody's gonna speak about it. You know what I mean? It should, they should find out. Oh,Edward: well the Avengers are different though, right? The Avengers, we know they we're close with Star Corp. I'm sure Star Corp has like a supply of tailors and stuff to make these costumes, right? So whatever giant man's secret identity is, he's not taking the costume to a tailor a secret identity. He's just passing it into the, through the stark corpse team of people and they make the costume. They probably have industrial cleaners that take care of it every night for them. I think that's all veryMichael: standardized. . Can you imagine? What's your job? It's star carp. Okay, I've got a really top secret job, but job, I can't talk about it. And then as this man's telling his wife, I can't even talk about my job. It's star carp. I just cannot tell you. I can't tell you what I do. And then he's sitting alone in a dark room. He's like, I wash giant man's clothing. .Edward: I get, I get, that's what I do. I get the stand. You think your trouble tough, he was attacked by a lava monster. Getting lava stains out of these costumes is impossible.Michael: yeah. It's just like it. But that's what it would have to be. , it would be top secret, right? To keep his identity secret. So whoever's washing his clothing would have to like oh. Under, under penalty of like imprisonment. Don't tell, you can't tell anybody. You know anything about Captain America's the underwear he wears outside of his pants or whatever. It's just wild to me. It's just what a job.Edward: Well, I think I, we figured out the number one recruiting technique. I feel like if I'm an independent hero now, the number one reason to join the Avengers is not the money. It's not the fame , it's the laundry service.Michael: Sign me up, Eddie. Sign me up. This is a public episode. 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Issue 160 - Mystique

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 16, 2022 59:29

Intro Background Mystique, Raven Darkholme, created by Chris Claremont & Dave Cockrum in Ms. Marvel #16 (April 1978) To this day, Mystique's true origins have never been revealed The earliest stories place her around 1900, where she was presenting as male and in a relationship with Irene Adler (Destiny), an obvious reference to Sherlock Holmes While undercover, she had a short fling with Sabretooth, which led to a child Graydon Creed - despite having 2 mutant parents, Graydon is a normal human who comes to resent all mutants - he grows up to become a powerful politician before being assassinated by a time-traveling version of Mystique #BecauseComics She is later seduced by Azazel., and becomes pregnant with a baby that she abandoned at birth - the baby would be taken in and named Kurt Wagner, aka Nightcrawler Side note - Claremont intended for Mystique & Destiny to be Nightcrawler's parents, but the Code wouldn't allow a lesbian relationship at the time Encounters a young runaway girl from Mississippi, and after Destiny foresees that she will become important to them, she takes in the young Rogue and acts as her foster mother She leads a version of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, and trains Rogue to join them and attack Ms. Marvel - Rogue ends up absorbing Carol's powers, memories, and personality for a time #BecauseComics Turns the Brotherhood “legit” as Freedom Force, and they work for the government, while still clashing with the X-Men - during this time, Irene is killed, and this has a serious impact on her Joins X-Factor under duress, but after some time she escapes and flees to Europe, where she becomes a top fashion model Joins the X-Men as a shapeshifter named Foxx, and attempts to seduce Gambit so she can break up Gambit & Rogue and set up Rogue with another mutant - the ploy fails, but she joins the team on a probationary basis - Kurt says he needs time to process, though, which she gives him Works with Gambit & the Marauders to betray Mister Sinister in the fallout of M-Day - Logan is sent to kill her, and he severely wounds her, but does not finish the job She is later actually killed by Logan after she had been posing as Professor X for Norman Osborn's Dark X-Men She was revived by the Hand, and posed as Dazzler, who was a mutant liaison for SHIELD in Madripoor Had a tender moment with Rogue before her wedding to Gambit Serves on the Quiet Council of Krakoa as a Winter representative Issues - Piercing the veil Can't really be herself because of the hatred towards mutants Always distant in her relationships - rare exceptions, like Irene & Rogue Inner self-acceptance isn't always reflected in outer appearance, which is difficult Break (37:27) Plugs for Take a Knee for Marvel vs. DC, Into the Knight, and Chris Claremont Treatment (38:42) In-universe - Become emotions, not people Out of universe Skit (49:34) ***knock at the door*** Come in -***Mrs Issues*** Hey, just stopping by Oh! Um…usually you text me, but ok, I thought you were my next patient -No problem, I figured I hadn't been to your office in a while and I know you've had some rough days. Thanks *pause* I thought you had class tonight. -I do, that's why I brought someone along with me to cheer you up; plus you can keep watch for a bit. I'll be right back but I have to get my stuff from the car. ***door closes*** As always. But where's -***Door opens***Daughter Issues*** Daddy! *pause* Ok Getthef**kout -WHAT? Why? ***fake crying*** Seriously get out or identify yourself or I'm calling the police -***some sort of morphing sound, now Mystique*** M: well you don't have to be so rude, I thought you were a professional. D Professional enough to know my own daughter hasn't called me “daddy” in years. Her choice, not mine. And I guess I can't call the police on my own patient if I haven't given them a chance to explain. Don't expect me to be cheery after a stunt like that. - M You're perceptive, I'll grant you that. But now we have a problem. D I know what my problem is. What's yours? M *sigh* Let's be real. You can't fight me, and I don't necessarily want to fight you. But you're valuable. More than you know. D You were going to kidnap me?! M *laughs* No, nothing as dramatic as that. This was supposed to be a stealth operation. You have information. I need it. D I've already been down that rabbit hole. Secure encryption, magical wards, along with undisclosed offshore servers have made sure I don't make the same mistake ever again. M Doom really hooked you up, then. D HOW…*deep breath*...you are masterful, you know that? Always seeking more information, more leverage. M: It's my currency, it's how I get ahead. D: But do you need that anymore? You don't come across as someone who wants to be at the beck and call of someone else, but you also find ways to put yourself as the center of attention, even if no one else knows it yet. I know those aren't mutually exclusive, but that can get complicated very fast. M: My life is complicated? Hmmm, I would have never thought that in a hundred years…no wait, that is EXACTLY what I've spent every day for the last hundred-plus years thinking about. I have enough baggage to fill an entire airport. I just choose which ones to pick up on various occasions. D: So what set of circumstances would lead you to add me to the mix? It's obvious you don't want therapy. M: I won't divulge my secrets if you won't divulge yours. D: This isn't a negotiation. M: Au contraire. All conversations are negotiations. Most people don't apply the proper context. Or pressure. D: This must be so difficult for you. You're talking to a person that's not of your world, nothing to offer that you couldn't weasel out in some other way, and yet, this is the path you chose. You find me weak, but interesting, and I don't know why. M: *pause* Are you fishing, or trying to sound profound? D: Why not both? My point is, you seem to set up your own challenges without respect to the person, or the emotional consequences even for yourself. I'll give you a hypothetical. What if you learn of someone you DIDN'T want to have on your radar, and they hunt you down after they destroy me? Is that risk worth it? M: It wouldn't be the first time that someone else gets hurt in the crossfire. D: But what if it's someone you actually care about? Are you really going to throw away the opportunity to improve a lasting relationship for the sake of an odd job or morbid curiosity? What if I could offer you that chance and the other person is willing to talk about it…with you and me? M: You can't make promises like that. D: Never said I could. But I can try. That's all I'm saying. M: I know for a fact that you aren't a…family therapist. D: Who said it was family? M: *pause* I… D: *snaps fingers* YOU were fishing! You didn't know! This was a hunch, wasn't it? M: *sigh* There aren't that many psychiatrists that delve into…our type, for lack of a better term. Word spreads fast. I have the background on your services, but things were locked out, as you so eloquently put it, before I could get any good dirt. But still…if there was a chance… D: There's no alternative mission…no monetary gain? You really just want…hmmm…I meant what I said. No guarantees. This may get messy. M: As always. So…you know, I may have wanted someone that is NOT considered a person close to me. If I disclose it, would you be able to set up someone like that, too? D: Nope Nope Nope. This is a one-time deal. You get one person, I contact on my time. If they say no, you don't get another chance. Understood? M: Clearly. Doesn't mean I will stop trying. I have more on you, you know. Think about it. Every person you see in your life could be me, doctor. A. Ny. One. D: And every person you meet is an opportunity for you to stop looking at them as a puppet to mimic, and engage them for who you really are. I guess we'll both have doubts. M: You are learning to negotiate better. Keep at it, and I might consider this…therapeutic. ***for end of show*** No matter how complicated life can be, you'll always have control of your own mystique - M: ***morphing sound*** Oh do you, now? Uhhhhhh…for Anthony I guess? Gah! I'm Doctor Issues thank you so much we'll see you next week! Ending (55:06) Recommended reading: Mystique by Brian K. Vaughan Next episodes: Poison Ivy, Moira McTaggert, Gladiator Plugs for social Transcript References: Carol Danvers episode - Anthony (3:18) Rogue episode - Anthony (3:20) Apple Podcasts: here Google Play: here Stitcher: here TuneIn: here iHeartRadio: here Twitter Facebook TikTok Patreon TeePublic Discord

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Matt Spectro Thru The Multiverse

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2022 58:44

This week, I'm joined by frequent guest Michael Crockett as we go back to the first-ever pilot for the X-Men, "Pryde of the X-Men!" Much to the Multiverse's surprise, it appears on several “Worst of” lists. Was it really that bad? Mike and I will find out! Take a listen as we discuss such topics as the history of the X-Men, is Nightcrawler a creep, Australian Wolverine, a who's-who of voice acting talent, and do I owe Marvel money? All this and more as we dive into the world of mutants...in cartoon form!

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Namor vs the X-Men

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Play Episode Listen Later Sep 1, 2022 18:47

Namor is back. After a years-long absence while suffering from amnesia, Namor returns to his place in the world (above and below the water). Magneto is interested in the powerful mutant and attempts to bring him into the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, which sets him on course to clash with the X-Men.

Magneto's Not-So-Merry Band of Mutants

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2022 30:19

The X-Men face the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants for the first time in issues No. 4 and 5 of Uncanny X-Men. This episode covers these two issues as well as Magneto's attempts to recruit other mutants (and one non-mutant) to the group.

Episode 172: People who do evil things (Strange Tales #128) -- December 1964

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2022 8:34

In this episode:Mike and Ed discuss the X-Men's release of photos and power descriptions of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (Magneto, Toad, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Mastermind). Why were these details released now? Was the motivation related to the recent anti-mutant feelings of the public? Or was it just about providing information so we can all protect ourselves? Also: Why were Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver meeting with the Fantastic Four?Behind the comic:From their first introduction, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were presented as complicated and reluctant villains. Scarlet Witch believed that she owed a debt to Magneto, and Quicksilver's motivation was just to protect his sister. This was the first issue where that motivation is explored outside the X-Men series. The two villains attempt to give up their life of crime, but when they are attacked anyway by the Thing and the Human Torch, they abandon their plan and head back to Magneto. We are not aware if Stan Lee was already planning for the duo to switch sides and join the Avengers (less than 6 months away), but either way this is a nice example of long-term foreshadowing.In this issue:Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch decide to leave Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. They decide to meet with the Fantasic Four to see if they can advise them on how to make the transition to the side of the heroes. At the same time, the X-Men have released photos and details about the Brotherhood, including those of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. As a result, when the reluctant villains and aspiring heroes show up at the Fantasic Four's headquarters, the Thing and the Human Torch are already primed to think that they are there with ill intent. They battle and, at the end of it, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch decide to return to Magneto, feeling that they are safer with him.Assumed before the next episode:People are confused as to what Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are planning.This episode takes place:After Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch‘s near transition to the heroes' side. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

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Unspoken Issues #59 - Darkhawk/Sleepwalker: “Portals of Power”

W2M Network

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2022 65:58

Unspoken Issues #59 - Darkhawk/Sleepwalker: “Portals of Power” Jesse, Evan, and Chris return to finish up their trilogy of Darkhawk and Sleepwalker issues with the one that brought the two characters together under one story… “Portals of Power!” Taking place in Darkhawk issues #19 and #20 then finishing up in Sleepwalker #17, Spider-Man joins in on the fun as they tackle an evil plot by the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and unravel some of the questions surrounding the mysterious hero Portal! Tune in!! To join the Unspoken Issues Facebook group to chime in and vote on the polls head to - https://www.facebook.com/groups/752283055418869 Make sure to check out the articles over at https://theunspokendecade.com and stay in touch and participate in the discussion on Facebook by going to https://www.facebook.com/pg/theunspokendecade and checking out the latest posts! To check us out on the player of your choice click here https://linktr.ee/markkind76 Also, check out the W2M Network Discord - https://discord.gg/aydMgvUN9d

Unspoken Issues #59 - Darkhawk/Sleepwalker: “Portals of Power”

W2M Network

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2022 65:58

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Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch Enter the Chat

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Play Episode Listen Later Jul 13, 2022 21:25

Qucksilver and the Scarlet Witch, twins that join the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. But who are they? And where did they come from? Simple questions with complicated answers. In this episode Noelle breaks down their changing history in the comics and tries to answer the question of who are Pietro and Wanda Maximoff?

Ep. 121 - Create A Mutant? New X-Men game?!

Side Projekt Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 5, 2022 60:00

A crazy, new, open world, multiplayer X-Men game, where you can create your own mutant?! Is it RPG? Is it an MMORPG?! Let's find out, but before that, let's open & reveal a package sent by @PatrickHickeyJr of @Legacy_Comix. What is it? Chario joins in today, and we've actually got a few things that need discussing with Mr. Chario here. What's he been up to behind the scenes? As well as, let's take a look at the new @TiltedNationGaming headset & controller charging dock, it's absolutely awesome, don't miss out. But what IS this new X-Men game? X-Men vs Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? Create a mutant? Choose a side? Choose a mentor? We gotta dive deep. Let's go! ▾ Cosplay Of The Week!: ▾ http://instagram.com/Super_Daigh _____________ ►

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Issue 154 - Scarlet Witch

Capes On the Couch - Where Comics Get Counseling

Play Episode Listen Later May 11, 2022 73:17

Following the release of Dr. Strange 2, we talk the Scarlet Witch, Wanda Maximoff! Chaos reigns throughout the episode, including an engaging discussion about the need to get help. You won't want to miss this one! Intro Shoutout to Mr. Stoto's AP Psychology class at St. Joseph's School Background (4:49) Scarlet Witch (Wanda Maximoff) created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in The X-Men #4 (March 1964) Originally, she & her twin brother Pietro were members of Magneto's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants in an effort to rule humanity Originally her power was merely “hex magic”, where she could manifest bad luck to those trying to harm her - later changed to chaos magic, which made her more powerful and able to control all manner of probabilities She later joined the Avengers, where she met and fell in love with Vision - listen to our WandaVision episode for more on that Her parentage has changed several times over the years - originally she & Pietro were Romani, born to human parents - then they were adopted by the Maximoffs from the High Evolutionary - then they were the children of the Whizzer & Miss America - then they were Magneto's kids - then they weren't mutants, and were the result of the High Evolutionary's experiments - then they were the children of the previous Scarlet Witch, and their adoptive parents were actually their aunt & uncle #BecauseComics Had two children, Billy & Tommy, with Vision - later revealed they were magic creations using pieces of Mephisto's soul, and they vanished - the memories later vanished, only to be triggered by Janet van Dyne - Wanda sought revenge against the Avengers, and this led to Disassembled and House of M, where she had a breakdown and used her chaos magic to eliminate almost all mutant powers from the world After several years as an outcast, she later joins with Hope Summers, and the two combine their powers to destroy the Phoenix Force and restore the mutant X-gene to the global population This led to her becoming an enemy of the state on Krakoa, although she later redeemed herself by sacrificing her life to enable Cerebro to find all mutants and bring them to Krakoa Issues (7:55) Her relationship with her children - how she kept losing them, and then when they're there, physically, she feels uncomfortable around them Her relationship with Magneto & Pietro (19:36) Not so much an issue as it is a question - There's a What If with Jessica Jones where she joins Avengers as a SHIELD liaison, and most of the major events happen as they would, except Wanda hides her children in a closet before Jessica showed up, and because of that Jessica gets her help, and so Disassembled never happens - talk about how hard it is to get help, or the right kind of help (29:35) Break (46:21) Plugs for BetterHelp, Freudian Sips, and Meredith Finch Treatment (48:15) In-universe - Give Wanda a fixed place that she can always go to Out of universe - Family therapy - use the chain/rope technique to help improve the dynamic Skit Hello Wanda, I'm Dr. Issues. - Hello, Doctor. I want to be upfront: I understand the need to be here, and I even agree with the assessment that this will be helpful. But that doesn't mean I'm eager to undergo a deep analysis on every single decision I've made over the course of my life. That's understandable, especially since neither one of us would have time to do that. My job is to make sure you find out what works for you to deal with how those events have shaped who you are now. Unfortunately, that does mean we'll have to talk about uncomfortable things once in a while. So, I'll let you start with what feels most challenging for you. Anything come to mind? - Is it cheating to say everything? I'm not being flippant, but I have a litany of items that would fit that description, and to choose any individual one would feel like closing my eyes and tossing a dart. Sometimes I really feel like the personification of chaos, magic or otherwise. I can respect that. If I may suggest then, that we start by narrowing it down to a sphere of your life. For example, personal development, or a specific relationship? - Let's stay away from the relationships to start. I have too many demons in too many relationships to jump into that at the beginning, and frankly, no offense, I'm not sure you could stomach some of the things I would describe to you. You'd be surprised at what I would be able to handle; and when it's necessary, I also consult someone to make sure I process things as best I can. Anyway, I'll take the lead then, since I suggested personal development. You mentioned chaos. Is it a matter of behavioral disorganization, inattention, procrastination, emotional disruption, or… - *interrupting* You could continue to give descriptions and I would just automatically say yes to everything at some point. So even narrowing it down that way does me no service. That's my point, Doctor. The mere act of trying to pick a starting point is overwhelming. It's like drinking from a fire hose. Whenever a patient tells me that, I know to start with basic needs. How are you sleeping? How's your appetite? Are you able to manage your daily tasks for your own survival? -*Irritated* I'm not a simpleton, Doctor! I manage those things just fine! Maybe some bad dreams, but…no, that's not something we should delve into. On the contrary, dreams can tell a lot! I will admit my limitations, but I may be able to help parse out what small tidbits could be beneficial to address. - The world of my dreams is far more dangerous than I could make you understand. The unconscious mind attempts to make sense of what the conscious mind cannot, but I fear it fares no better. In either case I am left confused and am no closer to an explanation. That is quite literally what I can offer you. You want an honest external attempt at clarity, I'm your doctor. -Once again, with all due respect, but there may be some other doctor who can manage that realm… *interrupting* Without giving too much away, let's just say we have a working understanding, albeit a bit…odd… - Odd? Or strange? You are perceptive. I guess that's my coy way of saying…try me. What about those dreams? - OK, you want me to describe just one of my average dreams? For starters, yes. Just give me one that you recall vividly. - Fine. I am in a beautiful field, surrounded by mountains. There is a woman nearby with the head of a cow. Alright, that could symbolize - *interrupts* That's not a symbol, that is Bova. She is the woman who raised me. Oh. OK, please continue. - She hands me two infants swaddled in blankets. I hold them, and the children smile at me for a moment. They are beautiful boys. Until they both point at me and begin crying. Interesting. Are the children yours? I didn't ask you about that before so -*interrupts* I don't…think we need to get to that right now. May I continue? Yes, go on. - They are crying, and then they start shouting at me that I am not real. That I don't belong here. That this shouldn't be happening. *sound effects begin* That dark forces are aligning because of what I have done. I want to know more, but could you keep the room the way it was, please? Because my office -*ignoring the doctor* The dark forces aren't demons or magical creatures, they are my friends, or who I thought were friends and teammates. They are conspiring against me. They know what I can do, they are afraid. I am afraid. They are trying to stop this. Stopping this right now doesn't sound too bad… - *ignoring again* My father is there. Or he's supposed to be my father, but he has another face, and yet I recognize him as my father. He is leading the charge. I try to stop him, but my hands will not move. My fingers ball into fists, and instead of using them for magic I begin assaulting myself. I don't want to, and yet I feel like I deserve it. Doesn't take a degree to get that last part…but there's a problem because it feels like something is hitting ME when you say that, so I think there's some magic going on anyway. Perhaps in a DIFFERENT session we can… - My fists finally open, and so does the sky, and it begins to rain blood and screams. I can barely protect myself from this, and the screams get louder. I hear fallen teammates, I hear children, I hear my ex-husband. All of them asking things of me, making demands I cannot meet. The blood covers me and yet I am not wet. I begin to cry, and my tears also scream at me for releasing them. Getting a little exhausted here. I didn't know walls could melt without LSD or psilocybin, but here we are. How am I supposed to paint with my own skin? Wait, that didn't make sense. How do you stop this? - The screams reach a fever pitch, until they are so loud I cannot hear anything else, and that is when I wake up. *noises suddenly stop* And I am in my bed at home. *creeped out* But why am I there too? WHY AM I IN YOUR HOME?!! - What? Oh, I am very sorry doctor. *magic sound FX* As you can see, sometimes these things can be… overwhelming. But I answered your questions. *panting* Alright…regardless of a diagnosis, I'm prescribing something. Maybe I should get some enchanted SSRIs or voodoovalproic acid, maybe dopamine blockade with a 4 leaf clover…I have no idea, but I can't ignore what I just experienced. I will agree with you for now that any deep analysis is too dangerous. - And you now see my reticence to engage in this with you. It is not out of fear of acknowledgement. I know I need to speak to someone. I know there are things that I cannot continue to leave unspoken or unaddressed. But I know that I am unable to go down some of these roads without potentially causing serious harm to whoever dares accompany me. Even if that person had abilities or powers, the risk of losing another person's life for something I did is too much for me to bear. Absolutely makes sense…which is something I'm glad to say after all of that. Now, it's time for some burpees, followed by deep breathing with stretches, and a mild sedative. -That sounds very forward of you doctor to prescribe such specific *interrupting* That's not for you, that's for me. I need to be sharp for any more sessions with you. I won't give up. - I don't understand. Why would you continue to risk everything for a possibility that I might make a slight improvement? Because that's what I signed up for. I may not comprehend everything a person says or does, but I can be there for the experience, good or bad. And I can always make suggestions for improvement. A work in progress starts with work before progress. - That sounds like it should be on a coffee mug or other location where one would emblazon a mantra. *sound effect* Consider this, then, a gift for your next training session. I'm flattered! Um…why is there a giant crack in it? - It is flawed. Like both of us. But despite its outward appearance, it will not spill. It manages to hold everything inside, no matter what. I will cherish it well…including that sentiment, more than you know. Ending Recommended reading: Scarlet Witch vol. 2 (James Robinson run) Next episodes: Beast Boy, Sue Storm, plus Mental Health Avengers somewhere in there Plugs for social References: WandaVision episode - Anthony (5:27) Wiccan episode - Anthony Crystal episode - Anthony Apple Podcasts: here Google Play: here Stitcher: here TuneIn: here iHeartRadio: here Twitter Facebook Patreon TeePublic Discord

Episode 60: Nerd Skool: Age Of Ultron Part 2

Nerd Skool

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2022 56:05

Avengers: Age of Ultron Part 2: The nerd conversation continues with Scarlett Witch & Quicksilver and Professor Andy explaining their back story a little along with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. The nerds reference Amadeus Cho from the comics, along with Jocasta, Wakanda, Black Panther and Wonder Man. Get your Nerdskool Merch: https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/74089719?asc=u Music by D Jones Hip Hop!

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X-Men 142 ( Days of Future Past Part 2 )

'Nuff Said

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2022 18:13

Hello True Believers and welcome back to Nuff Said! Death to the X-Men! The 2013 X-Men are facing problems with their sentinels and their camps. Back in 1980, the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants have tried to assassinate Senator Kelley and have turned the Senate floor into a battleground. Who will win? Mystique and her evil mutants or Storm and her X-Men? What will Senator Kelley do with the sentinel program? And... will the 2013 X-Men survive their brutal reality? Stick around to the end and be sure to go back and listen to part one ! If you have any questions or suggestions, email us at podcastnuffsaid@gmail.com.

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EMBS Episode 25: Naruto of Soccer

Earth's Mightiest Podcasts

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2022 103:50

Individually they were just like those guys who like to hang around the comic book shop and talk comics but together they form the Earth's Mightiest Podcast! In this episode we talk whatever comes to mind as of February 3, 2022. All of Us Are Dead (Netflix) Peacemaker (HBO Max) Expanse (Amazon Prime) The Orbital Children (Netflix) Matrix Resurrection (HBO Max) Dota: Dragon's Blood S2 (Netflix) Ted Lasso (Appe TV) Ozarks (Netflix) Folding Ideas - Line Goes Up – The Problem With NFTs (Youtube) Legendary Marvel Improv Mastermind: MagnetoScheme: Go Back in Time to Slay Heros' Ancestors Henchmen: Mandroids Villains: Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Heralds of Galactus Heroes: Agent Venom, Black Cat, Gambit, Maximus, Storm, Black Panther, Sunspot, Miles Morales, Warlock [EMBS RSS] Subscribe [RSS All] Subscribe [Google Play All] Subscribe [iTunes] Subscribe Music: EMP theme song By Tribe One http://tribeonewon.wordpress.com/

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Don't Revere The Bearer Of Good Info by CarlShulman

The Nonlinear Library: LessWrong Top Posts

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2021 5:09

Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: Don't Revere The Bearer Of Good Info, published by CarlShulman on the AI Alignment Forum. Follow-up to: Every Cause Wants To Be A Cult, Cultish Countercultishness One of the classic demonstrations of the Fundamental Attribution Error is the 'quiz study' of Ross, Amabile, and Steinmetz (1977). In the study, subjects were randomly assigned to either ask or answer questions in quiz show style, and were observed by other subjects who were asked to rate them for competence/knowledge. Even knowing that the assignments were random did not prevent the raters from rating the questioners higher than the answerers. Of course, when we rate individuals highly the affect heuristic comes into play, and if we're not careful that can lead to a super-happy death spiral of reverence. Students can revere teachers or science popularizers (even devotion to Richard Dawkins can get a bit extreme at his busy web forum) simply because the former only interact with the latter in domains where the students know less. This is certainly a problem with blogging, where the blogger chooses to post in domains of expertise. Specifically, Eliezer's writing at Overcoming Bias has provided nice introductions to many standard concepts and arguments from philosophy, economics, and psychology: the philosophical compatibilist account of free will, utility functions, standard biases, and much more. These are great concepts, and many commenters report that they have been greatly influenced by their introductions to them at Overcoming Bias, but the psychological default will be to overrate the messenger. This danger is particularly great in light of his writing style, and when the fact that a point is already extant in the literature, and is either being relayed or reinvented, isn't noted. To address a few cases of the latter: Gary Drescher covered much of the content of Eliezer's Overcoming Bias posts (mostly very well), from timeless physics to Newcomb's problems to quantum mechanics, in a book back in May 2006, while Eliezer's irrealist meta-ethics would be very familiar to modern philosophers like Don Loeb or Josh Greene, and isn't so far from the 18th century philosopher David Hume. If you're feeling a tendency to cultish hero-worship, reading such independent prior analyses is a noncultish way to diffuse it, and the history of science suggests that this procedure will be applicable to almost anyone you're tempted to revere. Wallace invented the idea of evolution through natural selection independently of Darwin, and Leibniz and Newton independently developed calculus. With respect to our other host, Hans Moravec came up with the probabilistic Simulation Argument long before Nick Bostrom became known for reinventing it (possibly with forgotten influence from reading the book, or its influence on interlocutors). When we post here we can make an effort to find and explicitly acknowledge such influences or independent discoveries, to recognize the contributions of Rational We, as well as Me. Even if you resist revering the messenger, a well-written piece that purports to summarize a field can leave you ignorant of your ignorance. If you only read the National Review or The Nation you will pick up a lot of political knowledge, including knowledge about the other party/ideology, at least enough to score well on political science surveys. However, that very knowledge means that missing pieces favoring the other side can be more easily ignored: someone might not believe that the other side is made up of Evil Mutants with no reasons at all, and might be tempted to investigate, but ideological media can provide reasons that are plausible yet not so plausible as to be tempting to their audience. For a truth-seeker, beware of explanations of the speaker's opponents. This sort of intentional slanting and misplaced tru...

X-Lapsed MasterworX, Episode 3

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 4, 2021 209:38

In our third compilation of the X-Ploits of the Silver Age X-Men, the Marvel Universe tour continues -- pitting our heroes against the Avengers for the first of a billion times! Also, they have their sure-to-be final confrontation with Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants... EVER! After which, the two fan-favorites from that crew have to decide where their allegiances lay -- will Wanda and Pietro make dozens of letterhacks happy by joining the X-Men... or, will they wind up somewhere altogether un-x-pected instead?! Speaking of letterhacks - each of the X-Men segments in this collection feature a full-blown discussion of the Letters Pages, as well as the proto-Bullpen Bulletins! -- https://www.patreon.com/xlapsed X-Lapsed Voicemail: 623-396-5375 (or, 623-396-JERK) Twitter: @acecomics / Instagram: @90sxmen weirdcomicshistory@gmail.com chrisandreggie.podbean.com The All-New, All-Different chrisisoninfiniteearths.com facebook.com/groups/90sxmen

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X-Lapsed MasterworX, Episode 2

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 28, 2021 167:55

For our second MasterworX compilation, we x-plore the X-Men's first crossovers... having them cross paths with the likes of the Fantastic Four and Iron Man... while Magneto and his Brotherhood of Evil Mutants has a run-in with The Mighty Thor! We also advance the X-Men's own story... including an episode that has some sort of weird temporal anomaly... not sure if y'all can help me out with this, but - during X-Men #8, the pages get a bit fuzzy... and the art and writing style changes a bit for a blink of an eye. Hmm... it's probably nothing important! All that, plus the original letters pages, the proto-Bullpen Bulletins, and much more! -- TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) Tales of Suspense #49: "The New Iron Man Meets The Angel!" (00:26:25) Strange Tales #120: "The Torch Meets The Iceman!" (00:40:10) Fantastic Four #28: "We Have to Fight the X-Men!" (01:14:10) X-Men #7: "The Return of the Blob!" (01:46:56) Journey Into Mystery #109: "When Magneto Strikes!" (02:13:59) X-Men #8: "The Uncanny Threat of... Unus the Untouchable!" -- https://www.patreon.com/xlapsed X-Lapsed Voicemail: 623-396-5375 (or, 623-396-JERK) Twitter: @acecomics / Instagram: @90sxmen weirdcomicshistory@gmail.com chrisandreggie.podbean.com The All-New, All-Different chrisisoninfiniteearths.com facebook.com/groups/90sxmen

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X-Lapsed MasterworX, Episode 1

Major Spoilers Comic Book Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 21, 2021 223:33

Collecting the first six episodes of The Essential X-Lapsed... which, coincidentally covers the first six issues of X-Men! If you've been interested in starting with the Essentials program, but don't dig the shorter episodes... or don't know where to begin, welp - here ya go! This first and seminal selection will introduce our young mutant heroes, and have them face off against the likes of Magneto, the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, the Blob, and the star of X-Lapsed Point One, Namor the Sub-Mariner! I hope you enjoy! Be sure and let me know if ya do! -- TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) X-Men #1: "X-Men" (00:43:05) X-Men #2: "No One Can Stop the Vanisher!" (01:25:12) X-Men #3: "Beware of the Blob!" (01:53:30) X-Men #4: "The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants!" (02:36:13) X-Men #5: "Trapped: One X-Man" (03:08:05) X-Men #6: "Sub-Mariner Joins the Evil Mutants!" -- https://www.patreon.com/xlapsed X-Lapsed Voicemail: 623-396-5375 (or, 623-396-JERK) Twitter: @acecomics / Instagram: @90sxmen weirdcomicshistory@gmail.com chrisandreggie.podbean.com The All-New, All-Different chrisisoninfiniteearths.com facebook.com/groups/90sxmen

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Major Spoilers Podcast #952: Thanksgiving the Marvel Way

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2021 67:29

It is Thanksgiving in the Marvel U, and we have two issues to prove it! We review Amazing Spider-Man #78.BEY, Savage Avengers #26, Norse Mythology #6, and the new Netflix movie Power of the Dog. Plus, we share our reactions to the Disney Plus Day announcements... strong>Show your thanks to Major Spoilers for this episode by becoming a Major Spoilers Patron at http://patreon.com/MajorSpoilers. It will help ensure the Major Spoilers Podcast continues far into the future! Join our Discord server and chat with fellow Spoilerites! (https://discord.gg/jWF9BbF) NEWS https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/avatar-the-last-airbender-netflix-live-action-series-casts-its-uncle-iroh-gyatso-and-commander-zhao-1235113071/ https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/halo-live-action-paramount-plus-series-drops-first-teaser-trailer-1235112522/ https://variety.com/2021/film/box-office/eternals-box-office-milestone-clifford-opens-1235111868/ https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-plus-trailers-news-1235110365/ REVIEWS STEPHEN AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #78.BEY Writer: Jed MacKay Artist: Eleonora Carlini Publisher: Marvel Comics Cover Price: $4.99 Release Date: November 17, 2021 The Daughters of the Dragon are Spider-Man's trainers, and they are kicking his WEBBY BUTT! But is even their skill level enough for the mission that Beyond sends them on? Who is the new villain OBSIDIAN STAR and how will Misty and Colleen possibly take him down? Don't miss this pivotal issue! [rating:4.5/5] MATTHEW SAVAGE AVENGERS #26 Writer: Gerry Duggan Artist: Patch Zircher Publisher: Marvel Comics Cover Price: $3.99 Release Date: November 10, 2021 The LAST Savage Avenger Standing! Kulan Gath has cleared the board of all his enemies... except one. 'Nuff said! [rating:3/5] RODRIGO NORSE MYTHOLOGY #6 Writer: Neil Gaiman, P. Craig Russell Artist: Gabriel Hernandez Walta, Sandy Jarell Publisher: Dark Horse Comics Cover Price: $3.99 Release Date: November 17, 2021 Frey, one of the Asgardian gods, falls madly in love with the giantess Gerd and in order to prove his love must determine whether he gives up his magical sword to the giants for her hand-a sword that is prophesied to saved him during Ragnarök. [rating: 4/5] ASHLEY POWER OF THE DOG Director: Jane Campion Starring: Benedict Cumberbatch, Jesse Plemmens, Kirsten Dunst Studio: Netflix Release Date: Nov 17, 2021 A domineering rancher responds with mocking cruelty when his brother brings home a new wife and her son, until the unexpected comes to pass. [rating: 5/5] DISCUSSION Vision and Scarlet Witch #6 Writer: Steve Englehart Artist: Richard Howell Publisher: Marvel Comics Vision and Wanda's closest kin gather for Thanksgiving dinner. But this family affair is soon cut short- by the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? Daredevil #178 Writer: Frank Miller Artist: Frank Miller Publisher: Marvel Comics Foggy thinks Matt Murdock could use some bodyguards, so he enlists the help of the only people capable of doing the job: the Heroes For Hire. Featuring everyone's favorite tag-team supreme Iron Fist and Power Man! CLOSE Contact us at podcast@majorspoilers.com Call the Major Spoilers Hotline at (785) 727-1939. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends!

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Major Spoilers Podcast #952: Thanksgiving the Marvel Way

Major Spoilers Podcast Network Master Feed

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2021 67:29

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Issue #6 - Sub-Mariner Joins The Evil Mutants

Uncanny Rewind - An X-Men Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 18, 2021 54:15

Today Idris and Michael are introduced to Namor, the Sub-Mariner. Follow along as we learn about Magnetos attempt to recruit Namor.

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the Triumph of Magneto!

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2021 64:28

Welcome back to Graymalkin Lane! This week, the X-Men face the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants--for the last time, and we meet the ridiculous and powerful Stranger! Join cohosts Chad Anderson, Heather, and Kholby with our special guest, Derrick (from YouTube's 1407 Graymalkin Lane channel!) Give us a listen, a follow, and a share, and find Graymalkin Lane on Instagram and Twitter.

Issue #4 - The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants!

Uncanny Rewind - An X-Men Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 4, 2021 50:20

The X-Men face the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants! And Magento returns! Meet Toad, Mastermind, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch in this new episode! Do the X-Men have what it takes to beat them? What lengths will Magneto go to defeat the Homo sapiens. Find out in this episode!

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Issue 126 - Rogue

Capes On the Couch - Where Comics Get Counseling

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 14, 2021 64:05

Intro Background (1:40) Rogue created by Chris Claremont and Michael Golden in Avengers Annual #10 (August 1981) Born Anna Marie in Mississippi, her parents disappeared when she was young, and she was raised by her strict aunt - she rebelled as a teen, earning the nickname Rogue After kissing a boy named Cody, her latent mutant abilities manifested, sending Cody into a coma - she discovered any skin-to-skin contact with a person would cause her to absorb their life force, and in some cases their memories - she covered herself up to avoid touching anyone ever again Mystique found Rogue and began mentoring her, eventually bringing her into the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants - she was sent to attack Carol Danvers - during the fight, prolonged contact caused Rogue to permanently absorb Carol's powers, and gave Carol amnesia - the Danvers identity would remain with Rogue for many years, eventually causing Rogue to seek out Professor Xavier for assistance She eventually joined the X-Men, slowly earning their trust and becoming a valuable teammate, even as Danvers continued to control her in periods of stress or unconsciousness - after losing her powers in a battle with Master Mold, she discovered the Danvers identity was also gone As her powers returned, she also began an on-again/off-again relationship with Gambit, but her lack of physical intimacy and his dishonesty caused friction for a long time - after a battle with Destiny robbed them both of their powers, they left the X-Men and moved in together to explore their relationship After another battle with Mystique where her foster mother tried to kill her, she absorbed Mystique's powers and left her for dead - went to the Australian outback to figure out how to control her powers - with the help of Xavier, she was able to control her absorption for the first time in her life Eventually started a relationship with Magneto, although it was largely long-distance, as they both had other commitments Originally stayed neutral during AvX, but joined the staff at the Xavier Institute after a fight broke out on campus and She-Hulk inadvertently injured some children Turned down a marriage proposal from Magneto, and ended their relationship Joined the Avengers Unity Division as a mutant representative, eventually becoming field leader Restarted her relationship with Gambit, and after Kitty Pryde broke off her engagement to Colossus at the altar, Gambit proposed to Rogue on the spot, and they were married instead - got transported to the Mojoverse for their honeymoon, since Mojo wanted a famous couple for his new show Issues (6:15) Authoritarian upbringing caused her to rebel Inability to touch anyone caused problems in her relationships, both romantic and platonic (18:26) Broken relationship with Mystique, where they alternate between trying to kill each other and trying to work together (27:06) Break (34:36) Plugs for BetterHelp, Grief Burrito, and Chris Claremont Treatment (36:11) In-universe - Use other mutants to help transmute the energy flow as a result of contact and help her move past that Out of universe - (40:06) Skit (49:22) Hello Rogue, I'm Dr. Issues. - Hey there, sugah. So, what can I do for you? -I don't know, what can you do? *sarcasm* Hardee har har. I have the ability to listen to what you have to say, synthesize that dialogue in a way that may have some benefit to you and your relationships, while monitoring for any signs of a formal diagnosis that needs more focused treatment. -Shoot, I thought you were gonna get all flustered like most guys do when someone like me talks coy with them. I got over that a long time ago. -Must be nice Meh. -*pause* Well, I guess that's my way of saying I'm stuck. I either push people away too quickly, or I dive in and get myself into stuff I can't just walk out of. Why not? -That's a really easy one. Do you know about my powers? I do my homework, sure. -Well, imagine if your first chance at a physical connection, you destroy their life...I mean, REALLY destroy it. You don't get over that. There's no amount of talking that can fix that. *pause* I'm terribly sorry. From the tone in your voice I can tell it wasn't intentional. -But it doesn't stop there. I was led to do some horrible things to people and I didn't know the consequences. That's the type of thing that some people can't ever live with themselves over. Do you get what I'm saying? Hmm...has it ever gotten to that point for you, where life wasn't worth it anymore? -No! Well, not like that, but to disappear, to not hurt anybody, that's the type of thing I wish for sometimes. This next question is meant to get to something deep here, so please don't think I'm trying to lead you...why haven't you disappeared? -That's like trying to hide the Juggernaut in a kiddie pool. That dog won't hunt. Besides, every time I did walk away, my past came back to bite me. So I gave up on tryna run. So anonymity doesn't work, but your powers are a huge factor in any basic intimacy...wow, I have to say, I'm impressed you've continued to persevere as well as you have. -Thank you...not many people see it that way besides you. I'm glad to hear that there's more than just me. -Are you always trying to see the glass half full? I try to see the glass with whatever amount is inside, the contents, the condition of the glass, the -I get the point. No stone unturned. Does that mean you want to know who sees the good in me? -Of course! -Let's start with Remy number one. That man...there's something about that man, it's hard to describe. He just...lights me up inside. Aww, that's sweet! -Hold on, ah don't want it to sound all peaches and cream. Ah mean, when it's good, it's finer than frog hair. But he's got a real stubborn streak. When he doesn't get his way, he doubles down on how he feels. Shucks, I think sometimes he argues with me just to watch me burn up! Maybe; I don't want to speculate on him since I don't' know him as well as you do. But you're the one who says he makes you feel that way. That type of bond doesn't happen overnight. -Damn right it doesn't! How many people get told they have to wait for the right time, and that time might be never? Well, he was there for all of it. Even when I went my own way, he came right back to me no matter what. As with most relationships, that sounds like a two-way street. However you got to the point that you are on a similar wavelength, I'm genuinely happy for you. To be honest, if you're doing okay with that aspect of things, maybe there's another part of your life that is challenging you. -Everything. I see that's your style of response, but can we please drill down a bit? -Can we not and say we did? Rogue, I'm really not a hardass. You don't have to be scared of a psychiatrist. -*laughs* Oh sugah, I'm not scared of you. I'm scared of what I'll say to you. You probably lock up half the people you see just for speaking their mind. I only look out for the safety of my patients and the rest of society. Having emotions is not a risk. It's what you do with those emotions that counts. As long as you are not a danger to yourself or others, this is completely confidential. And if it's in the past, then I would never put you through “double jeopardy.” -So if I told you that my second mama wanted to kill me after I had made up with the women she had me nearly kill and take her life, you're not gonna arrest me? *dramatic gulp* Well, I didn't quite expect that, but...no. My main concern is how that -*sarcasm* How did it make me feel? HOW DO YOU THINK? A lot of people have that reaction...which is why I was going to ask HOW DID THAT AFFECT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. -*pause* Son of a gun, nobody really asks that. I suppose Carol was really pissed off...wait...I KNOW she was pissed off ***that bitch tried to control me! Do you know what it's like to have your own head telling you all sorts of history that you shouldn't know or even came close to giving a shit about?*** and Mystique was mean, but she always said it was because she cared. I think that's true, she really cared about me in her own sorta way. She should really talk to you, if you'll have her. I'm always an open mind and ear for anyone within reason -The “reason” part might be a problem. So what's your goal with those relationships? -I'm not a goals kinda gal.Where the wind blows, I'll be there, good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise. Unless I don't wanna go, that is. Aaaaaand hence the name. There's nothing wrong with riding the tide and going where nature follows, and there's nothing inherently wrong with bucking a trend, either. But the balance of those two can get out of whack. It's obvious to me that you have the ability to go wherever you please, but so many times, you've been the center of attention for others because of your talent. Why not take the impulsive energy and combine it with a modest bit of forethought and live the more comfortable, less stressful life that you deserve? - Believe it or not, Doc, I actually did have some good come out of all of that we were just talking about. Carol doesn't hate me...not anymore. And when things are good with Mystique, we work well together. I'm not as dumb as you think I am just because my nature is to fight with whatever everybody says. *insulted* I NEVER thought that -Ah, there's the flustered part that I always look for when I meet someone new. *pause* Touche. Now that you've made it clear you can create any social outcome you want, how much are you willing to focus on making them enjoyable for everyone involved?. -One thing at a time Shug, one thing at a time. We good here? -That we are. - Thanks for the chat, then. See ya ‘round. And if you ever do talk to mah mama, tell her I said hi. Well, maybe see how she reacts before bringin' me up… could be a bad time for you... Ending (57:08) Recommended reading: Mr. & Mrs. X, Uncanny Avengers Next episodes: Dr. Doom, Jocasta, 5 from Umbrella Academy Review read - Justalittlepodcast - I just started listening, but I am hooked. Completely blown away. Such a great podcast that portrays mental health in a revolutionary way. The exploration and deep dive in comic book characters is fantastic. The conversations between these to gentlemen is refreshing, honest, and genuine. Keep up the great work! Also I really enjoy the skits. Plugs for social References: Carol Danvers episode - Anthony (2:48) Mojo episode - Anthony (5:40) Severe combined immunodeficiency - Doc (20:40) Apple Podcasts: here Google Play: here Stitcher: here TuneIn: here iHeartRadio: here Spotify: here Twitter Facebook Patreon TeePublic Discord

The Essential X-Lapsed, Episode 14 - Strange Tales #128

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Play Episode Listen Later Jul 8, 2021 25:35

We're back off the beaten path... checking in with our two resident conflicted members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants as they attempt to officially "go good". They figure the best way to go about this is to... break into the Baxter Building! Oh well, they can't ALL be good ideas... Fighting and Flames ensue! We chat up Wanda and Pietro... and dig into the X-Cellent Mailbag! Be there! -- X-Lapsed Voicemail: 623-396-5375 (or, 623-396-JERK) Twitter: @acecomics / Instagram: @90sxmen weirdcomicshistory@gmail.com chrisandreggie.podbean.com chrisisoninfiniteearths.com xlapsed.chrisisoninfiniteearths.com/ facebook.com/groups/90sxmen

the Return of the Blob!

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Play Episode Listen Later Jul 6, 2021 64:00

Welcome back to Graymalkin Lane, the podcast where queer friends review the original X-Men comics from the 1960s! This week, we delve into X-Men #7, in which Blob gets his memories back and joins with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants! Join host, Chad Anderson, with guests Heather, George Michael, and Matt as we laugh our asses off about Blob's fashion and Magneto's giant phallic purple missiles, and nerd out about old 60s comics. Give us a listen, a follow, and a share, and find Graymalkin Lane on Instagram and Twitter. If you are enjoying the podcast, give us a shout out! Let us know what you love, what you want more of, and what has made you laugh out loud! And share us with your friends! We are having a blast and have so much good stuff coming up next.

Sub-Mariner Joins the Evil Mutants!

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Play Episode Listen Later Jun 29, 2021 67:10

Welcome back to Graymalkin Lane, the podcast where queer friends review the original X-Men comics from the 1960s! This week, we delve into X-Men #6, in which Professor X and Magneto both rush to recruit Namor, the Sub-Mariner, the powerful mutant monarch of undersea Atlantis! Join host, Chad Anderson, with guests Heather, Taylor, and Cory as we laugh our asses off about Namor's ankle wings, have deep discussions about Civil Rights, and nerd out about old 60s comics. Give us a listen, a follow, and a share, and find Graymalkin Lane on Instagram and Twitter. If you are enjoying the podcast, give us a shout out! Let us know what you love, what you want more of, and what has made you laugh out loud! And share us with your friends! We are having a blast and have so much good stuff coming up next.

Trapped: One X-Man!

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Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2021 50:14

Welcome back to Graymalkin Lane, the podcast where queer friends review the original X-Men comics from the 1960s! This week, we delve into X-Men #5, in which Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants move to Asteroid M, anti-mutant hysteria runs rampant, and Professor X proves to be a bigger creep than ever!Join host, Chad Anderson, with guests Heather, Taylor, and Ann as they take a deep dive into X-Men history. Give us a listen, a follow, and a share, and find Graymalkin Lane on Instagram and Twitter. If you are enjoying the podcast, give us a shout out! Let us know what you love, what you want more of, and what has made you laugh out loud! And share us with your friends! We are having a blast and have so much good stuff coming up next.

The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants!