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Uber Lyft Drivers and Gig Economy Workers Weekly News & Interviews: Today I have 4 Curri Drivers on to discuss the platform and what drivers can expect when working on the app. Thanks to my Roundtable panel: Markiss (Seattle), Ed (New Jersey), Mac (Portland), and Millard (Connecticut). Some of the topics we discussed: Being A Curri Route Driver: Great Pay & Not Your vehicle. From Full Pick-Up Trucks-To-Trailers To Any Size Vehicle. All Gig Economy Workers Should Be Using Curri Platform & Why. Even Though Market To Market Pay Differs All Markets Pay Great. Tips From Curri Drivers For New Workers To The Platform. Curri Support: Fast, Efficient, & Located In The U.S. Mapping Some Deliveries With Apple Maps. Curri Is The Best Paying App For Gig Workers Time. The 30 Second Wait Time & Understanding It. Making The Most Out Of Curri Hot Shot Runs. $300 order! $1,200 order!!! Hot Shot, Long Shot, Long Haul and understanding them. Pick-up, Drop-off, hands free on handling payload. Unanimous From Tonight's Panel: You can NOT get paid more on any other Gig platform than you will on Curri. Ready... Set... Rodeo!!!!! Rideshare Rodeo is sponsored by Curri.com Drive for Curri: https://drivecurri.app.link/fom2uFMcCib Curri Links: Website: https://www.curri.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/curri Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teamcurri/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/18756359 Drive For Curri: https://drivecurri.app.link/fom2uFMcCib Don't forget to catch Jason Tieri and I weekly on Fridays: TNCRadio.live (4pm-6pm PST/7pm-9pm EST)
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Aaron Frost Alyssa Nicoll Special Guests: Brian Love & Kevin Schuchard In this episode, the panelist talk with today’s special guests Brian Love & Kevin Schuchard! Brian and Kevin work at BrieBug – check out their employee profiles here! The panelist and guests talk about schematics, Angular, AST, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:50 – Chuck: Hello! Our panel today is Joe, Aaron, Alyssa, and myself. We have two guests today, and we are going to talk about schematics. Let’s dive into that! 1:46 – Guest: Schematics is a library that is coming out of Angular and the Angular Team. The guest gives a definition of Angular Schematics. 2:26 – Alyssa. 2:31 – Kevin: The functionality that you are hoping for depends on the CLI that you are on. 3:00 – Alyssa: Sorry for diving into the juicy stuff but we forgot to talk about your introductions! 3:19 – The guests talk about their backgrounds and introduce themselves to the panel and the listeners. 3:49 – Alyssa. 3:54 – Guest continues. 4:21 – Panel: Crazy and busy! 4:28 – Alyssa. 4:31 – Kevin: I am Senior Developer, and I have worked here for a few years. I have had the opportunities to write some schematics for the company and some of my own schematics. 4:53 – Alyssa: Aren’t you so proud that you are a “Senior Developer”?! 5:10 – Guest and panelists go back-and-forth. 6:23 – Guests: We want people to be familiar with schematics and start their journey with schematics. 6:50 – Panel: It’s kind of trippy isn’t that right? 7:00 – Guest: Yeah there are hurdles to learning schematics at first – for sure. 7:22 – Alyssa: What is AST? 7:29 – Guest gives a definition of AST and goes into much detail about this. 10:00 – Alyssa: I think I understand, now, what AST is. Thanks. Alyssa asks the guests a question. 10:14 – Guest answers the question about AST. 10:51 – Guest continues. 11:27 – Panelist is talking about the AST and schematics. 12:03 – Guest: You can read the whole file and using the AST you can figure out where you went to enter the text. 12:25 – Alyssa asks a question. 12:28 – Guest: We are not the developers of schematics, but we are just here to share our knowledge. I want to be super clear here. 13:39 – Panelist talks about schematics, CLI, and AST. 14:18 – Guest: You don’t have to know all about AST and everything there is to know to get into it. You can build schematics w/o getting into AST. Just to be clear. 14:39 – Alyssa asks a follow-up question. 14:41 – Guest continues. 15:57 – Guest: AST has been around for a while – it’s not a new thing it’s kind of an old thing. Guest talks about tools (Code Shift) that Facebook has built that is related to this topic. 17:22 – Guest: Yeah AST has been around for a while. 17:28 – Alyssa asks a question about Code Shift. 17:36 – Guest. 18:21 – Panel and guest go back-and-forth. 19:51 – Alyssa: You said you really don’t need to get into AST to do schematics – right? (Yes.) Alyssa asks a question. 20:19 – Guest: There are two pieces with schematics and that’s adding of new files and you can decide which pieces of the templates you want to be compiled. 21:58 – Chuck: For schematics you mentioned you could drop strings in. Chuck asks a question. 22:29 – Guest answers the question with a hypothetical situation. 23:09 – Chuck: I read the article you wrote and I have a question about your article. Tell me about the tree? 23:29 – Guest talks about the tree or aka the host. 25:40 – Guest: The tree is a virtual kind of context and it’s not committing all of the changes to the file system. Whether that is adding, deleting, or updating these files. 26:10 – Chuck: Makes sense to me. 26:15 – Guest continues talking about schematics. 26:53 – Alyssa: Yeoman is a replacement for schematics? 27:05 – Guest: It’s a lightweight alternative. 27:33 – Advertisement: Angular Boot Camp 28:10 – Chuck: How does one build a schematic? 28:16 – Guest answers the question. 30:34 – Panel: What’s the latest thing you’ve built? Talk about that, please. 30:40 – Guest: It’s a schematic and took what we’ve learned to set you up for a starter project. It starts with a blank project. 32:57 – Panel: You are just talking some lessons learned and you are saying this is how Kevin says to do it. You’ve packaged that up 33:26 – Guest: Yep I have found things that work and there isn’t any magic but put these practices together and made a repository to help testing and making schematics. 33:55 – Panel and guests go back-and-forth. 34:20 – Chuck: Let’s say I’ve built this schematic and Frosty wants to share it with his friends. How do we do that? How do you share it? Is there some component that you’ve built? 35:06 – Guest: It depends on what you are doing with it. 36:14 – Chuck: For mass production, though? 36:25 – Guest: I think Chuck is wondering about discoverability. Guest continues and he mentions prettier, extensions, among other things. 37:18 – Guest: I think it’s my favorite about schematics and it’s Kevin’s. 37:40 – Guest. 38:20 – Guest continues talking about schematics and ng-conf. 38:57 – Guest talks about libraries. 40:12 – Chuck: Anything else? Do you NPM install it and it’s just there? 40:29 – Guest: There are 2 ways to go about it. 53:05 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Yeoman Apache Groovy GitHub: prettier NG Conf Brian Love’s Website Kevin Schuchard’s LinkedIn BrieBug Blog Angular Schematics Tutorial Testing Schematics with a Sandbox + starter project GitHub: Schematic Starter Getting started blog post by Hans Schematics by Manfred Steyer Angular and Material CLI schematics 1 Angular and Material CLI schematics 2 AST Explorer Evening of Angular Example Schematic project with Sandbox: (Written by Kevin) https://github.com/briebug/jest-schematic https://github.com/schuchard/prettier-schematic https://github.com/briebug/ngrx-entity-schematic https://github.com/blove/schematics Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Picks: Joe Brian Love BrieBug Schematics NGConf. Minified Aaron Ice Fishing Smoking Trout Joe Eames as Dungeon Master for DND NPM JS Survey Charles Alexa Briefing EntreProgrammers.com KanBanflow Pomodoro Technique Kevin Angular Material Open Source Projects Brian Angular.io Visits on Twitter Angular Community Jesse Sanders An evening of Angular Event
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura Nate Hopkins Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Vladimir Dem In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Vladimir Dem who is a Ruby developer and currently lives in Brooklyn, New York. Today, the panelists and guest talk about cables, concurrency, and Ruby. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Hello! The panel today is Eric, Dave, Nate, and myself! Our guest is Vlad! 1:30 – Guest: My name is Vladimir, but people call me Vlad. I have been writing Ruby since 2013 for about 4.5 years. Before that I was a PHP, JavaScript developer among other languages. I am mostly Erlang and Ruby now. 2:29 – Panel asks Vlad a question. 3:29 – Guest: Yeah something like that. I call it a different server b/c we still use the code base but we do not do anything related to web sockets and connections. 4:20 – Panel: If you wanted to take a normal action cables setup what steps would you have to go through to convert that over to also use the anycable server? 5:21 – Guest answers the question. 7:31 – Chuck: This sounds complicated and a bit of work. When I look at this I think: I have a tiny app is it worth it? When does it become worth it? 7:52 – Guest: Definitely not for the tiny app. 8:50 – Panel: You use it when it makes sense. Overcomplicating your infrastructure doesn’t make sense. 9:27 – Guest: That’s the idea. 10:28 – Panel. 11:05 – Guest: The question really is how many connections you have and how long-lived they are? 13:09 – Panel: If I move my project over to anycable how much new code am I going to have to write? 13:28 – Guest answers the question. 15:52 – Panel: What’s the update been like for anycable and how many users use anycable? 16:05 – Guest: I really don’t have statistics. I hear people at conferences say that they use anycable, but no real statistics right now. I would like to know these numbers, but no idea. 16:30 – Panel: ...is that the time to consider using anycable? 17:05 – Guest: That’s a good point to make. 18:44 – Panel: How is the initial handshake time with anycable? Is there any difference with anycable in that sense? 19:05 – Guest answers the question. 22:49 – Chuck: Can you define a couple of terms for me? I am hearing terms like: concurrency and real time and others? 23:00 – Guest: Good point. What is real time? The guest continues to define these terms. 28:10 – Fresh Books! 29:10 – Chuck: Ruby 3 is supposed to solve some of these problems. Can you talk about some of those? 29:46 – Guest: Interesting question and I’ve been asked about this before. 35:14 – Panel: Did you say there was some activity around trying to reduce the memory consumption for thread? 35:25 – Guest answers the question. 36:14 – Panel: Vlad, you are spread from backend to fronted and you’ve mentioned Phoenix Live Vue. Can I pick your brain about it? 36:39 – Guest answers the question. 38:48 – Panel: It seems like one of the core tenants is empowering small teams to compete with larger teams. I have high hopes to keep small teams competitive. 39:50 – Guest: Yes, that’s the idea of Rails and Ruby itself to build something and try something and perhaps fail. 40:57 – Panelist mentions Erlang, anycable, and concurrency. 41:14 – Guest: We are working on administration functionality and we want to build something fast. 44:40 – Panel: That’s the interesting thing about turbo links cause I think it was a marketing fail. You have to invest time to learn how to use it and how to use it properly. 45:44 – Guest: I don’t have a good guide for turbo links. 46:00 – Chuck: Anything else we want to talk about? 46:10 – Guest: Two more things I want to mention. 54:02 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 54:35 – Picks! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Faye-Websocket-Ruby Anycable EMx 020 Episode Entreprogrammers: Episode 248 Socketry The Rails Doctrine Walmart: Invisible Glass Bose Wireless Headphones Netflix: Newsies / Broadway musical KanbanFlow Advent of Code Heroku Deployment Guest’s Twitter Guest’s Dev.to Guest’s GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Invisible Glass Eric Bose Quiet Comfort Headphones Nate The Rails Doctrine Newsies Charles Kanban Flow EntreProgrammers The pomodoro technique masterhunt.com/devchat Vlad Advent of Code Any Cable
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura Nate Hopkins Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Vladimir Dem In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Vladimir Dem who is a Ruby developer and currently lives in Brooklyn, New York. Today, the panelists and guest talk about cables, concurrency, and Ruby. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Hello! The panel today is Eric, Dave, Nate, and myself! Our guest is Vlad! 1:30 – Guest: My name is Vladimir, but people call me Vlad. I have been writing Ruby since 2013 for about 4.5 years. Before that I was a PHP, JavaScript developer among other languages. I am mostly Erlang and Ruby now. 2:29 – Panel asks Vlad a question. 3:29 – Guest: Yeah something like that. I call it a different server b/c we still use the code base but we do not do anything related to web sockets and connections. 4:20 – Panel: If you wanted to take a normal action cables setup what steps would you have to go through to convert that over to also use the anycable server? 5:21 – Guest answers the question. 7:31 – Chuck: This sounds complicated and a bit of work. When I look at this I think: I have a tiny app is it worth it? When does it become worth it? 7:52 – Guest: Definitely not for the tiny app. 8:50 – Panel: You use it when it makes sense. Overcomplicating your infrastructure doesn’t make sense. 9:27 – Guest: That’s the idea. 10:28 – Panel. 11:05 – Guest: The question really is how many connections you have and how long-lived they are? 13:09 – Panel: If I move my project over to anycable how much new code am I going to have to write? 13:28 – Guest answers the question. 15:52 – Panel: What’s the update been like for anycable and how many users use anycable? 16:05 – Guest: I really don’t have statistics. I hear people at conferences say that they use anycable, but no real statistics right now. I would like to know these numbers, but no idea. 16:30 – Panel: ...is that the time to consider using anycable? 17:05 – Guest: That’s a good point to make. 18:44 – Panel: How is the initial handshake time with anycable? Is there any difference with anycable in that sense? 19:05 – Guest answers the question. 22:49 – Chuck: Can you define a couple of terms for me? I am hearing terms like: concurrency and real time and others? 23:00 – Guest: Good point. What is real time? The guest continues to define these terms. 28:10 – Fresh Books! 29:10 – Chuck: Ruby 3 is supposed to solve some of these problems. Can you talk about some of those? 29:46 – Guest: Interesting question and I’ve been asked about this before. 35:14 – Panel: Did you say there was some activity around trying to reduce the memory consumption for thread? 35:25 – Guest answers the question. 36:14 – Panel: Vlad, you are spread from backend to fronted and you’ve mentioned Phoenix Live Vue. Can I pick your brain about it? 36:39 – Guest answers the question. 38:48 – Panel: It seems like one of the core tenants is empowering small teams to compete with larger teams. I have high hopes to keep small teams competitive. 39:50 – Guest: Yes, that’s the idea of Rails and Ruby itself to build something and try something and perhaps fail. 40:57 – Panelist mentions Erlang, anycable, and concurrency. 41:14 – Guest: We are working on administration functionality and we want to build something fast. 44:40 – Panel: That’s the interesting thing about turbo links cause I think it was a marketing fail. You have to invest time to learn how to use it and how to use it properly. 45:44 – Guest: I don’t have a good guide for turbo links. 46:00 – Chuck: Anything else we want to talk about? 46:10 – Guest: Two more things I want to mention. 54:02 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 54:35 – Picks! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Faye-Websocket-Ruby Anycable EMx 020 Episode Entreprogrammers: Episode 248 Socketry The Rails Doctrine Walmart: Invisible Glass Bose Wireless Headphones Netflix: Newsies / Broadway musical KanbanFlow Advent of Code Heroku Deployment Guest’s Twitter Guest’s Dev.to Guest’s GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Invisible Glass Eric Bose Quiet Comfort Headphones Nate The Rails Doctrine Newsies Charles Kanban Flow EntreProgrammers The pomodoro technique masterhunt.com/devchat Vlad Advent of Code Any Cable
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Aaron Frost Alyssa Nicoll Special Guests: Brian Love & Kevin Schuchard In this episode, the panelist talk with today’s special guests Brian Love & Kevin Schuchard! Brian and Kevin work at BrieBug – check out their employee profiles here! The panelist and guests talk about schematics, Angular, AST, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:50 – Chuck: Hello! Our panel today is Joe, Aaron, Alyssa, and myself. We have two guests today, and we are going to talk about schematics. Let’s dive into that! 1:46 – Guest: Schematics is a library that is coming out of Angular and the Angular Team. The guest gives a definition of Angular Schematics. 2:26 – Alyssa. 2:31 – Kevin: The functionality that you are hoping for depends on the CLI that you are on. 3:00 – Alyssa: Sorry for diving into the juicy stuff but we forgot to talk about your introductions! 3:19 – The guests talk about their backgrounds and introduce themselves to the panel and the listeners. 3:49 – Alyssa. 3:54 – Guest continues. 4:21 – Panel: Crazy and busy! 4:28 – Alyssa. 4:31 – Kevin: I am Senior Developer, and I have worked here for a few years. I have had the opportunities to write some schematics for the company and some of my own schematics. 4:53 – Alyssa: Aren’t you so proud that you are a “Senior Developer”?! 5:10 – Guest and panelists go back-and-forth. 6:23 – Guests: We want people to be familiar with schematics and start their journey with schematics. 6:50 – Panel: It’s kind of trippy isn’t that right? 7:00 – Guest: Yeah there are hurdles to learning schematics at first – for sure. 7:22 – Alyssa: What is AST? 7:29 – Guest gives a definition of AST and goes into much detail about this. 10:00 – Alyssa: I think I understand, now, what AST is. Thanks. Alyssa asks the guests a question. 10:14 – Guest answers the question about AST. 10:51 – Guest continues. 11:27 – Panelist is talking about the AST and schematics. 12:03 – Guest: You can read the whole file and using the AST you can figure out where you went to enter the text. 12:25 – Alyssa asks a question. 12:28 – Guest: We are not the developers of schematics, but we are just here to share our knowledge. I want to be super clear here. 13:39 – Panelist talks about schematics, CLI, and AST. 14:18 – Guest: You don’t have to know all about AST and everything there is to know to get into it. You can build schematics w/o getting into AST. Just to be clear. 14:39 – Alyssa asks a follow-up question. 14:41 – Guest continues. 15:57 – Guest: AST has been around for a while – it’s not a new thing it’s kind of an old thing. Guest talks about tools (Code Shift) that Facebook has built that is related to this topic. 17:22 – Guest: Yeah AST has been around for a while. 17:28 – Alyssa asks a question about Code Shift. 17:36 – Guest. 18:21 – Panel and guest go back-and-forth. 19:51 – Alyssa: You said you really don’t need to get into AST to do schematics – right? (Yes.) Alyssa asks a question. 20:19 – Guest: There are two pieces with schematics and that’s adding of new files and you can decide which pieces of the templates you want to be compiled. 21:58 – Chuck: For schematics you mentioned you could drop strings in. Chuck asks a question. 22:29 – Guest answers the question with a hypothetical situation. 23:09 – Chuck: I read the article you wrote and I have a question about your article. Tell me about the tree? 23:29 – Guest talks about the tree or aka the host. 25:40 – Guest: The tree is a virtual kind of context and it’s not committing all of the changes to the file system. Whether that is adding, deleting, or updating these files. 26:10 – Chuck: Makes sense to me. 26:15 – Guest continues talking about schematics. 26:53 – Alyssa: Yeoman is a replacement for schematics? 27:05 – Guest: It’s a lightweight alternative. 27:33 – Advertisement: Angular Boot Camp 28:10 – Chuck: How does one build a schematic? 28:16 – Guest answers the question. 30:34 – Panel: What’s the latest thing you’ve built? Talk about that, please. 30:40 – Guest: It’s a schematic and took what we’ve learned to set you up for a starter project. It starts with a blank project. 32:57 – Panel: You are just talking some lessons learned and you are saying this is how Kevin says to do it. You’ve packaged that up 33:26 – Guest: Yep I have found things that work and there isn’t any magic but put these practices together and made a repository to help testing and making schematics. 33:55 – Panel and guests go back-and-forth. 34:20 – Chuck: Let’s say I’ve built this schematic and Frosty wants to share it with his friends. How do we do that? How do you share it? Is there some component that you’ve built? 35:06 – Guest: It depends on what you are doing with it. 36:14 – Chuck: For mass production, though? 36:25 – Guest: I think Chuck is wondering about discoverability. Guest continues and he mentions prettier, extensions, among other things. 37:18 – Guest: I think it’s my favorite about schematics and it’s Kevin’s. 37:40 – Guest. 38:20 – Guest continues talking about schematics and ng-conf. 38:57 – Guest talks about libraries. 40:12 – Chuck: Anything else? Do you NPM install it and it’s just there? 40:29 – Guest: There are 2 ways to go about it. 53:05 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Yeoman Apache Groovy GitHub: prettier NG Conf Brian Love’s Website Kevin Schuchard’s LinkedIn BrieBug Blog Angular Schematics Tutorial Testing Schematics with a Sandbox + starter project GitHub: Schematic Starter Getting started blog post by Hans Schematics by Manfred Steyer Angular and Material CLI schematics 1 Angular and Material CLI schematics 2 AST Explorer Evening of Angular Example Schematic project with Sandbox: (Written by Kevin) https://github.com/briebug/jest-schematic https://github.com/schuchard/prettier-schematic https://github.com/briebug/ngrx-entity-schematic https://github.com/blove/schematics Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Picks: Joe Brian Love BrieBug Schematics NGConf. Minified Aaron Ice Fishing Smoking Trout Joe Eames as Dungeon Master for DND NPM JS Survey Charles Alexa Briefing EntreProgrammers.com KanBanflow Pomodoro Technique Kevin Angular Material Open Source Projects Brian Angular.io Visits on Twitter Angular Community Jesse Sanders An evening of Angular Event
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Aaron Frost Alyssa Nicoll Special Guests: Brian Love & Kevin Schuchard In this episode, the panelist talk with today’s special guests Brian Love & Kevin Schuchard! Brian and Kevin work at BrieBug – check out their employee profiles here! The panelist and guests talk about schematics, Angular, AST, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:50 – Chuck: Hello! Our panel today is Joe, Aaron, Alyssa, and myself. We have two guests today, and we are going to talk about schematics. Let’s dive into that! 1:46 – Guest: Schematics is a library that is coming out of Angular and the Angular Team. The guest gives a definition of Angular Schematics. 2:26 – Alyssa. 2:31 – Kevin: The functionality that you are hoping for depends on the CLI that you are on. 3:00 – Alyssa: Sorry for diving into the juicy stuff but we forgot to talk about your introductions! 3:19 – The guests talk about their backgrounds and introduce themselves to the panel and the listeners. 3:49 – Alyssa. 3:54 – Guest continues. 4:21 – Panel: Crazy and busy! 4:28 – Alyssa. 4:31 – Kevin: I am Senior Developer, and I have worked here for a few years. I have had the opportunities to write some schematics for the company and some of my own schematics. 4:53 – Alyssa: Aren’t you so proud that you are a “Senior Developer”?! 5:10 – Guest and panelists go back-and-forth. 6:23 – Guests: We want people to be familiar with schematics and start their journey with schematics. 6:50 – Panel: It’s kind of trippy isn’t that right? 7:00 – Guest: Yeah there are hurdles to learning schematics at first – for sure. 7:22 – Alyssa: What is AST? 7:29 – Guest gives a definition of AST and goes into much detail about this. 10:00 – Alyssa: I think I understand, now, what AST is. Thanks. Alyssa asks the guests a question. 10:14 – Guest answers the question about AST. 10:51 – Guest continues. 11:27 – Panelist is talking about the AST and schematics. 12:03 – Guest: You can read the whole file and using the AST you can figure out where you went to enter the text. 12:25 – Alyssa asks a question. 12:28 – Guest: We are not the developers of schematics, but we are just here to share our knowledge. I want to be super clear here. 13:39 – Panelist talks about schematics, CLI, and AST. 14:18 – Guest: You don’t have to know all about AST and everything there is to know to get into it. You can build schematics w/o getting into AST. Just to be clear. 14:39 – Alyssa asks a follow-up question. 14:41 – Guest continues. 15:57 – Guest: AST has been around for a while – it’s not a new thing it’s kind of an old thing. Guest talks about tools (Code Shift) that Facebook has built that is related to this topic. 17:22 – Guest: Yeah AST has been around for a while. 17:28 – Alyssa asks a question about Code Shift. 17:36 – Guest. 18:21 – Panel and guest go back-and-forth. 19:51 – Alyssa: You said you really don’t need to get into AST to do schematics – right? (Yes.) Alyssa asks a question. 20:19 – Guest: There are two pieces with schematics and that’s adding of new files and you can decide which pieces of the templates you want to be compiled. 21:58 – Chuck: For schematics you mentioned you could drop strings in. Chuck asks a question. 22:29 – Guest answers the question with a hypothetical situation. 23:09 – Chuck: I read the article you wrote and I have a question about your article. Tell me about the tree? 23:29 – Guest talks about the tree or aka the host. 25:40 – Guest: The tree is a virtual kind of context and it’s not committing all of the changes to the file system. Whether that is adding, deleting, or updating these files. 26:10 – Chuck: Makes sense to me. 26:15 – Guest continues talking about schematics. 26:53 – Alyssa: Yeoman is a replacement for schematics? 27:05 – Guest: It’s a lightweight alternative. 27:33 – Advertisement: Angular Boot Camp 28:10 – Chuck: How does one build a schematic? 28:16 – Guest answers the question. 30:34 – Panel: What’s the latest thing you’ve built? Talk about that, please. 30:40 – Guest: It’s a schematic and took what we’ve learned to set you up for a starter project. It starts with a blank project. 32:57 – Panel: You are just talking some lessons learned and you are saying this is how Kevin says to do it. You’ve packaged that up 33:26 – Guest: Yep I have found things that work and there isn’t any magic but put these practices together and made a repository to help testing and making schematics. 33:55 – Panel and guests go back-and-forth. 34:20 – Chuck: Let’s say I’ve built this schematic and Frosty wants to share it with his friends. How do we do that? How do you share it? Is there some component that you’ve built? 35:06 – Guest: It depends on what you are doing with it. 36:14 – Chuck: For mass production, though? 36:25 – Guest: I think Chuck is wondering about discoverability. Guest continues and he mentions prettier, extensions, among other things. 37:18 – Guest: I think it’s my favorite about schematics and it’s Kevin’s. 37:40 – Guest. 38:20 – Guest continues talking about schematics and ng-conf. 38:57 – Guest talks about libraries. 40:12 – Chuck: Anything else? Do you NPM install it and it’s just there? 40:29 – Guest: There are 2 ways to go about it. 53:05 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Yeoman Apache Groovy GitHub: prettier NG Conf Brian Love’s Website Kevin Schuchard’s LinkedIn BrieBug Blog Angular Schematics Tutorial Testing Schematics with a Sandbox + starter project GitHub: Schematic Starter Getting started blog post by Hans Schematics by Manfred Steyer Angular and Material CLI schematics 1 Angular and Material CLI schematics 2 AST Explorer Evening of Angular Example Schematic project with Sandbox: (Written by Kevin) https://github.com/briebug/jest-schematic https://github.com/schuchard/prettier-schematic https://github.com/briebug/ngrx-entity-schematic https://github.com/blove/schematics Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Get A Coder Job Picks: Joe Brian Love BrieBug Schematics NGConf. Minified Aaron Ice Fishing Smoking Trout Joe Eames as Dungeon Master for DND NPM JS Survey Charles Alexa Briefing EntreProgrammers.com KanBanflow Pomodoro Technique Kevin Angular Material Open Source Projects Brian Angular.io Visits on Twitter Angular Community Jesse Sanders An evening of Angular Event
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura Nate Hopkins Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Vladimir Dem In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Vladimir Dem who is a Ruby developer and currently lives in Brooklyn, New York. Today, the panelists and guest talk about cables, concurrency, and Ruby. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Hello! The panel today is Eric, Dave, Nate, and myself! Our guest is Vlad! 1:30 – Guest: My name is Vladimir, but people call me Vlad. I have been writing Ruby since 2013 for about 4.5 years. Before that I was a PHP, JavaScript developer among other languages. I am mostly Erlang and Ruby now. 2:29 – Panel asks Vlad a question. 3:29 – Guest: Yeah something like that. I call it a different server b/c we still use the code base but we do not do anything related to web sockets and connections. 4:20 – Panel: If you wanted to take a normal action cables setup what steps would you have to go through to convert that over to also use the anycable server? 5:21 – Guest answers the question. 7:31 – Chuck: This sounds complicated and a bit of work. When I look at this I think: I have a tiny app is it worth it? When does it become worth it? 7:52 – Guest: Definitely not for the tiny app. 8:50 – Panel: You use it when it makes sense. Overcomplicating your infrastructure doesn’t make sense. 9:27 – Guest: That’s the idea. 10:28 – Panel. 11:05 – Guest: The question really is how many connections you have and how long-lived they are? 13:09 – Panel: If I move my project over to anycable how much new code am I going to have to write? 13:28 – Guest answers the question. 15:52 – Panel: What’s the update been like for anycable and how many users use anycable? 16:05 – Guest: I really don’t have statistics. I hear people at conferences say that they use anycable, but no real statistics right now. I would like to know these numbers, but no idea. 16:30 – Panel: ...is that the time to consider using anycable? 17:05 – Guest: That’s a good point to make. 18:44 – Panel: How is the initial handshake time with anycable? Is there any difference with anycable in that sense? 19:05 – Guest answers the question. 22:49 – Chuck: Can you define a couple of terms for me? I am hearing terms like: concurrency and real time and others? 23:00 – Guest: Good point. What is real time? The guest continues to define these terms. 28:10 – Fresh Books! 29:10 – Chuck: Ruby 3 is supposed to solve some of these problems. Can you talk about some of those? 29:46 – Guest: Interesting question and I’ve been asked about this before. 35:14 – Panel: Did you say there was some activity around trying to reduce the memory consumption for thread? 35:25 – Guest answers the question. 36:14 – Panel: Vlad, you are spread from backend to fronted and you’ve mentioned Phoenix Live Vue. Can I pick your brain about it? 36:39 – Guest answers the question. 38:48 – Panel: It seems like one of the core tenants is empowering small teams to compete with larger teams. I have high hopes to keep small teams competitive. 39:50 – Guest: Yes, that’s the idea of Rails and Ruby itself to build something and try something and perhaps fail. 40:57 – Panelist mentions Erlang, anycable, and concurrency. 41:14 – Guest: We are working on administration functionality and we want to build something fast. 44:40 – Panel: That’s the interesting thing about turbo links cause I think it was a marketing fail. You have to invest time to learn how to use it and how to use it properly. 45:44 – Guest: I don’t have a good guide for turbo links. 46:00 – Chuck: Anything else we want to talk about? 46:10 – Guest: Two more things I want to mention. 54:02 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 54:35 – Picks! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Faye-Websocket-Ruby Anycable EMx 020 Episode Entreprogrammers: Episode 248 Socketry The Rails Doctrine Walmart: Invisible Glass Bose Wireless Headphones Netflix: Newsies / Broadway musical KanbanFlow Advent of Code Heroku Deployment Guest’s Twitter Guest’s Dev.to Guest’s GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Invisible Glass Eric Bose Quiet Comfort Headphones Nate The Rails Doctrine Newsies Charles Kanban Flow EntreProgrammers The pomodoro technique masterhunt.com/devchat Vlad Advent of Code Any Cable
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura David Richards Charles Max Wood In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk amongst themselves on today’s topic, which is “speculation on frameworks.” They consider where the tech community currently is right now, and where it’s heading towards the future. They bring-up topics such as: Rails, Ruby, Angular, Agile, and much more. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:47 – Chuck: Check out the DevRev 2:08 – Panel: A topic about “speculation” would be great today. What are we seeing in the community: what we like/don’t like, and what would you want to change? He talks about action text, JavaScript framework, and more. 3:41 – Chuck: Service-side rendering is what we talked about in the past. Divya does this with service–side rendering. For content sites that approach makes a lot of sense. I have playing around with this for the past week or so. I was taking it to rendering it to text. 4:39 – Panel: Yeah, that’s the way to go. 5:29 – Chuck: You are talking about a fully side UI. 5:45 – Panel: I thought it was just my age so I am glad we are talking about this. The hip kids want to make these beautiful frontend sites. I want to keep it simple and then justify more later. I guess I would never be as hip but as long as my stuff gets out there – that’s all that matters to me. 6:28 – Panel: Yeah don’t get me wrong...nobody will want to develop your product if it was built 30 years ago. If it is a startup you want it to look good with a nice UI. Nobody will purchase if it looks outdated. How much maintenance do I want to invest into this? Why add another component into that if you cannot maintain it. 7:56 – Chuck: Yeah I have come into this issue while building the Podcast Service that I am creating. 8:25 – Panel: These are good frameworks and they feel great. I don’t realize the complexity that I am taking on sometimes. I have a lot of complexity on my hands: did I need it? 9:02 – Chuck: Sometimes my problem is that I am trying to pull it in after-the-fact. Like the forms to animate or this and that have to slide in. I want a natural feel to the UX. I looked at React and then I didn’t go that way. I have been podcasting about Angular for 4 years, but it was a no-go for my project. For my solution – it makes sense to just get it going and get it rolling. 10:45 – Panel: When we do use Action Vue we are prone to get lazy. What I mean by that is making database calls. 12:01 – Panel: You can think: Inside-Out! That creates an identity around the project. If I can think of that before going in, then everyone knows what we are doing and what their role is. It’s really obvious. Simple things grow into bigger things. I am a fan of service-side objects. It’s a daily work process. That feels good to me and it’s programmatic for me. 13:24 – Chuck: You aren’t saying: I don’t want or I don’t need ... what you are saying is: I will get this tool when I need it. 13:45 – Panel: You can say: “Hey this is what we are going to do and WHY we are going to do it.” It’s nice to come back to old projects and to see that it’s still solid. It’s nice to see that and people own that software and didn’t have to keep updating. 15:06 – Chuck: It reminds me of the Agile development stuff. The approach between Angular and React and Vue are fairly different. They are reasonably different. There will be tradeoffs between which one to use. When you are making that decision then you can make the appropriate decision on that. 16:10 – Panel: I remember in the prior years when the Rails community grew their own people and you were a RAILS person; now it’s you’re a WEB person. 17:43 – Panel: In a lot of cases it’s good to see what’s out there and to see what’s new; especially early on if they end up being ahead of their time. Then you are an early pioneer in that area. There’s nothing wrong with that, but when you are introducing new things into your core you are running into unforeseeable risks. I am not an early adapter of React, but I know enough of the pros and cons of the framework. 19:48 – Panel: I like that. Maybe I “should” adapt that framework and maybe I am not the right person to do so. 21:06 – Chuck: Dave brought us to a new topic and that’s: being an early adapter. Some people want a name, some people want to invent stuff and so many more reasons “why.” I don’t want to “poo poo” the idea but you need to know WHY. 21:48 – Panel: The cost of developers is A LOT. I just think if I was building a house and I had that expense then I better get a really nice house out of it. I want to do a good job and that’s important. On the business – side they have to rely on us and decisions that are in the best interest for everyone. 22:50 – Fresh Books! 23:53 – Chuck: So what do you guys think about: what’s coming? Do you feel like things are going to move away from frontend frameworks? Will there be a large adoption curve? 24:30 – Panel: If we are talking about the space of Ruby on Rails then you want it to be maintainable. You don’t want to steer too far away from its core. 28:11 – Panel: Good I like that. There are great tools that we are getting through Google, Facebook and they have great tools for these apps. They are looking for the 1-person startup very much like Basecamp. It’s all possible that we are holding onto these technologies that are great but does it fit ME. Do I want to maintain things? Do I want to make this more complicated? Especially if I really don’t fit into what I’m trying to do. 29:13 – Panel: Yeah some people in the DOT NET world they were really struggling with some modern approaches. 30:42 – Panel: One of our listeners texted me b/c we are recording LIVE. Panelist reads off from a listener’s text message that uses a quote. 31:16 – Panel: When I started Ruby it was a PHP project and I couldn’t get there. I didn’t have enough bandwidth. It was easy for me to build the RAILS way. 32:02 – Chuck: I was introduced to PHP in college, early 2000’s. I really enjoyed it and I was fairly productive and then I found Rails. 32:27 – Panelist talks about PHP, flash frontend, and more. 34:42 – Chuck: Could and will something come along that will affect the way we write code? 34:56 – Panel: Yes, b/c I think technology is sustainable for a certain amount of time before things start to change again. Look at the iPhones and the Android phones. 38:26 – Panel: I think it takes time to do something well. Panelist talks about Rails, Ruby, data, and more! 40:25 – Panel: It’s interesting b/c the tradeoff used to be much bigger. The bandwidth is better, the screens are better, the way we do things are better. There is much of a tradeoff. That’s how people are interacting with our business and our products. I tend to write these flowery articles that I don’t publish. There was something in the air and in the mid-2000’s we were launching Netflix, and all of these things were happening at that time. A lot is happening now but it’s different now. Where are we going? Where would I be happy to work? If we can get on the phone and inside of our data and it just adds more value. It’s not an easy answer to “Where are we going?” but it’s good to talk about it b/c people might be afraid to ask and to answer. 43:13 – Chuck: Anything else or picks? 43:19 – Panel: We are saying today: we aren’t trying to break-out of this bubble, but we are saying: let’s get closer to the user and there is so much opportunity in THIS space!! 44:10 – Panel: The technology is tapped-out right now. 44:50 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Book: Desert Cabal Habits for Hackers Home Depot: DeWalt Harbor Freight 11ty Masterminds Webinar Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Dewalt Drill Dust Collector David Habits for Hackers Desert Cabal (for funnies) Charles Mastermind Hunter 11ty.io
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura David Richards Charles Max Wood In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk amongst themselves on today’s topic, which is “speculation on frameworks.” They consider where the tech community currently is right now, and where it’s heading towards the future. They bring-up topics such as: Rails, Ruby, Angular, Agile, and much more. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:47 – Chuck: Check out the DevRev 2:08 – Panel: A topic about “speculation” would be great today. What are we seeing in the community: what we like/don’t like, and what would you want to change? He talks about action text, JavaScript framework, and more. 3:41 – Chuck: Service-side rendering is what we talked about in the past. Divya does this with service–side rendering. For content sites that approach makes a lot of sense. I have playing around with this for the past week or so. I was taking it to rendering it to text. 4:39 – Panel: Yeah, that’s the way to go. 5:29 – Chuck: You are talking about a fully side UI. 5:45 – Panel: I thought it was just my age so I am glad we are talking about this. The hip kids want to make these beautiful frontend sites. I want to keep it simple and then justify more later. I guess I would never be as hip but as long as my stuff gets out there – that’s all that matters to me. 6:28 – Panel: Yeah don’t get me wrong...nobody will want to develop your product if it was built 30 years ago. If it is a startup you want it to look good with a nice UI. Nobody will purchase if it looks outdated. How much maintenance do I want to invest into this? Why add another component into that if you cannot maintain it. 7:56 – Chuck: Yeah I have come into this issue while building the Podcast Service that I am creating. 8:25 – Panel: These are good frameworks and they feel great. I don’t realize the complexity that I am taking on sometimes. I have a lot of complexity on my hands: did I need it? 9:02 – Chuck: Sometimes my problem is that I am trying to pull it in after-the-fact. Like the forms to animate or this and that have to slide in. I want a natural feel to the UX. I looked at React and then I didn’t go that way. I have been podcasting about Angular for 4 years, but it was a no-go for my project. For my solution – it makes sense to just get it going and get it rolling. 10:45 – Panel: When we do use Action Vue we are prone to get lazy. What I mean by that is making database calls. 12:01 – Panel: You can think: Inside-Out! That creates an identity around the project. If I can think of that before going in, then everyone knows what we are doing and what their role is. It’s really obvious. Simple things grow into bigger things. I am a fan of service-side objects. It’s a daily work process. That feels good to me and it’s programmatic for me. 13:24 – Chuck: You aren’t saying: I don’t want or I don’t need ... what you are saying is: I will get this tool when I need it. 13:45 – Panel: You can say: “Hey this is what we are going to do and WHY we are going to do it.” It’s nice to come back to old projects and to see that it’s still solid. It’s nice to see that and people own that software and didn’t have to keep updating. 15:06 – Chuck: It reminds me of the Agile development stuff. The approach between Angular and React and Vue are fairly different. They are reasonably different. There will be tradeoffs between which one to use. When you are making that decision then you can make the appropriate decision on that. 16:10 – Panel: I remember in the prior years when the Rails community grew their own people and you were a RAILS person; now it’s you’re a WEB person. 17:43 – Panel: In a lot of cases it’s good to see what’s out there and to see what’s new; especially early on if they end up being ahead of their time. Then you are an early pioneer in that area. There’s nothing wrong with that, but when you are introducing new things into your core you are running into unforeseeable risks. I am not an early adapter of React, but I know enough of the pros and cons of the framework. 19:48 – Panel: I like that. Maybe I “should” adapt that framework and maybe I am not the right person to do so. 21:06 – Chuck: Dave brought us to a new topic and that’s: being an early adapter. Some people want a name, some people want to invent stuff and so many more reasons “why.” I don’t want to “poo poo” the idea but you need to know WHY. 21:48 – Panel: The cost of developers is A LOT. I just think if I was building a house and I had that expense then I better get a really nice house out of it. I want to do a good job and that’s important. On the business – side they have to rely on us and decisions that are in the best interest for everyone. 22:50 – Fresh Books! 23:53 – Chuck: So what do you guys think about: what’s coming? Do you feel like things are going to move away from frontend frameworks? Will there be a large adoption curve? 24:30 – Panel: If we are talking about the space of Ruby on Rails then you want it to be maintainable. You don’t want to steer too far away from its core. 28:11 – Panel: Good I like that. There are great tools that we are getting through Google, Facebook and they have great tools for these apps. They are looking for the 1-person startup very much like Basecamp. It’s all possible that we are holding onto these technologies that are great but does it fit ME. Do I want to maintain things? Do I want to make this more complicated? Especially if I really don’t fit into what I’m trying to do. 29:13 – Panel: Yeah some people in the DOT NET world they were really struggling with some modern approaches. 30:42 – Panel: One of our listeners texted me b/c we are recording LIVE. Panelist reads off from a listener’s text message that uses a quote. 31:16 – Panel: When I started Ruby it was a PHP project and I couldn’t get there. I didn’t have enough bandwidth. It was easy for me to build the RAILS way. 32:02 – Chuck: I was introduced to PHP in college, early 2000’s. I really enjoyed it and I was fairly productive and then I found Rails. 32:27 – Panelist talks about PHP, flash frontend, and more. 34:42 – Chuck: Could and will something come along that will affect the way we write code? 34:56 – Panel: Yes, b/c I think technology is sustainable for a certain amount of time before things start to change again. Look at the iPhones and the Android phones. 38:26 – Panel: I think it takes time to do something well. Panelist talks about Rails, Ruby, data, and more! 40:25 – Panel: It’s interesting b/c the tradeoff used to be much bigger. The bandwidth is better, the screens are better, the way we do things are better. There is much of a tradeoff. That’s how people are interacting with our business and our products. I tend to write these flowery articles that I don’t publish. There was something in the air and in the mid-2000’s we were launching Netflix, and all of these things were happening at that time. A lot is happening now but it’s different now. Where are we going? Where would I be happy to work? If we can get on the phone and inside of our data and it just adds more value. It’s not an easy answer to “Where are we going?” but it’s good to talk about it b/c people might be afraid to ask and to answer. 43:13 – Chuck: Anything else or picks? 43:19 – Panel: We are saying today: we aren’t trying to break-out of this bubble, but we are saying: let’s get closer to the user and there is so much opportunity in THIS space!! 44:10 – Panel: The technology is tapped-out right now. 44:50 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Book: Desert Cabal Habits for Hackers Home Depot: DeWalt Harbor Freight 11ty Masterminds Webinar Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Dewalt Drill Dust Collector David Habits for Hackers Desert Cabal (for funnies) Charles Mastermind Hunter 11ty.io
Panel: Eric Berry Dave Kimura David Richards Charles Max Wood In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk amongst themselves on today’s topic, which is “speculation on frameworks.” They consider where the tech community currently is right now, and where it’s heading towards the future. They bring-up topics such as: Rails, Ruby, Angular, Agile, and much more. Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:47 – Chuck: Check out the DevRev 2:08 – Panel: A topic about “speculation” would be great today. What are we seeing in the community: what we like/don’t like, and what would you want to change? He talks about action text, JavaScript framework, and more. 3:41 – Chuck: Service-side rendering is what we talked about in the past. Divya does this with service–side rendering. For content sites that approach makes a lot of sense. I have playing around with this for the past week or so. I was taking it to rendering it to text. 4:39 – Panel: Yeah, that’s the way to go. 5:29 – Chuck: You are talking about a fully side UI. 5:45 – Panel: I thought it was just my age so I am glad we are talking about this. The hip kids want to make these beautiful frontend sites. I want to keep it simple and then justify more later. I guess I would never be as hip but as long as my stuff gets out there – that’s all that matters to me. 6:28 – Panel: Yeah don’t get me wrong...nobody will want to develop your product if it was built 30 years ago. If it is a startup you want it to look good with a nice UI. Nobody will purchase if it looks outdated. How much maintenance do I want to invest into this? Why add another component into that if you cannot maintain it. 7:56 – Chuck: Yeah I have come into this issue while building the Podcast Service that I am creating. 8:25 – Panel: These are good frameworks and they feel great. I don’t realize the complexity that I am taking on sometimes. I have a lot of complexity on my hands: did I need it? 9:02 – Chuck: Sometimes my problem is that I am trying to pull it in after-the-fact. Like the forms to animate or this and that have to slide in. I want a natural feel to the UX. I looked at React and then I didn’t go that way. I have been podcasting about Angular for 4 years, but it was a no-go for my project. For my solution – it makes sense to just get it going and get it rolling. 10:45 – Panel: When we do use Action Vue we are prone to get lazy. What I mean by that is making database calls. 12:01 – Panel: You can think: Inside-Out! That creates an identity around the project. If I can think of that before going in, then everyone knows what we are doing and what their role is. It’s really obvious. Simple things grow into bigger things. I am a fan of service-side objects. It’s a daily work process. That feels good to me and it’s programmatic for me. 13:24 – Chuck: You aren’t saying: I don’t want or I don’t need ... what you are saying is: I will get this tool when I need it. 13:45 – Panel: You can say: “Hey this is what we are going to do and WHY we are going to do it.” It’s nice to come back to old projects and to see that it’s still solid. It’s nice to see that and people own that software and didn’t have to keep updating. 15:06 – Chuck: It reminds me of the Agile development stuff. The approach between Angular and React and Vue are fairly different. They are reasonably different. There will be tradeoffs between which one to use. When you are making that decision then you can make the appropriate decision on that. 16:10 – Panel: I remember in the prior years when the Rails community grew their own people and you were a RAILS person; now it’s you’re a WEB person. 17:43 – Panel: In a lot of cases it’s good to see what’s out there and to see what’s new; especially early on if they end up being ahead of their time. Then you are an early pioneer in that area. There’s nothing wrong with that, but when you are introducing new things into your core you are running into unforeseeable risks. I am not an early adapter of React, but I know enough of the pros and cons of the framework. 19:48 – Panel: I like that. Maybe I “should” adapt that framework and maybe I am not the right person to do so. 21:06 – Chuck: Dave brought us to a new topic and that’s: being an early adapter. Some people want a name, some people want to invent stuff and so many more reasons “why.” I don’t want to “poo poo” the idea but you need to know WHY. 21:48 – Panel: The cost of developers is A LOT. I just think if I was building a house and I had that expense then I better get a really nice house out of it. I want to do a good job and that’s important. On the business – side they have to rely on us and decisions that are in the best interest for everyone. 22:50 – Fresh Books! 23:53 – Chuck: So what do you guys think about: what’s coming? Do you feel like things are going to move away from frontend frameworks? Will there be a large adoption curve? 24:30 – Panel: If we are talking about the space of Ruby on Rails then you want it to be maintainable. You don’t want to steer too far away from its core. 28:11 – Panel: Good I like that. There are great tools that we are getting through Google, Facebook and they have great tools for these apps. They are looking for the 1-person startup very much like Basecamp. It’s all possible that we are holding onto these technologies that are great but does it fit ME. Do I want to maintain things? Do I want to make this more complicated? Especially if I really don’t fit into what I’m trying to do. 29:13 – Panel: Yeah some people in the DOT NET world they were really struggling with some modern approaches. 30:42 – Panel: One of our listeners texted me b/c we are recording LIVE. Panelist reads off from a listener’s text message that uses a quote. 31:16 – Panel: When I started Ruby it was a PHP project and I couldn’t get there. I didn’t have enough bandwidth. It was easy for me to build the RAILS way. 32:02 – Chuck: I was introduced to PHP in college, early 2000’s. I really enjoyed it and I was fairly productive and then I found Rails. 32:27 – Panelist talks about PHP, flash frontend, and more. 34:42 – Chuck: Could and will something come along that will affect the way we write code? 34:56 – Panel: Yes, b/c I think technology is sustainable for a certain amount of time before things start to change again. Look at the iPhones and the Android phones. 38:26 – Panel: I think it takes time to do something well. Panelist talks about Rails, Ruby, data, and more! 40:25 – Panel: It’s interesting b/c the tradeoff used to be much bigger. The bandwidth is better, the screens are better, the way we do things are better. There is much of a tradeoff. That’s how people are interacting with our business and our products. I tend to write these flowery articles that I don’t publish. There was something in the air and in the mid-2000’s we were launching Netflix, and all of these things were happening at that time. A lot is happening now but it’s different now. Where are we going? Where would I be happy to work? If we can get on the phone and inside of our data and it just adds more value. It’s not an easy answer to “Where are we going?” but it’s good to talk about it b/c people might be afraid to ask and to answer. 43:13 – Chuck: Anything else or picks? 43:19 – Panel: We are saying today: we aren’t trying to break-out of this bubble, but we are saying: let’s get closer to the user and there is so much opportunity in THIS space!! 44:10 – Panel: The technology is tapped-out right now. 44:50 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show Angular DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Book: Desert Cabal Habits for Hackers Home Depot: DeWalt Harbor Freight 11ty Masterminds Webinar Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Dewalt Drill Dust Collector David Habits for Hackers Desert Cabal (for funnies) Charles Mastermind Hunter 11ty.io
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest: Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit. 36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest: Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit. 36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar
Panel: Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Alyssa Nicoll Special Guest: Michael Giambalvo In this episode, Chuck talks with special guest Michael Giambalvo who is an author of the book titled, “Testing Angular Applications.” This book can be purchased through Amazon, Manning Publications, among other sites, too. The panelists and the guest talk about different types of tests, such as end-to-end testing and unit testing. They also talk about Angular, Java, Mocha, Test Café, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: AngularBootCamp.Com 0:53 – Chuck: Our panel is John Papa, Joe Eames, Alyssa Nicoll, and myself. My new show is the DevRev – check it out, please! 1:26 – Guest: I am a contributing author to our new book, which is about Angular. 1:56 – Chuck: How is it like to write with multiple people? 2:04 – Guest: Yep it’s hard b/c we are in different areas. Back in the 2.0 days, Jesse was writing a book. He was talking about typescript and components. Craig made friends with Jesse and they were talking about the book he was writing. Then we all jumped in to get in finished. We all had areas that we were specialists in! 3:21 – Alyssa: If you break it up that makes sense. 3:31 – Guest. 3:40 – Panel: Pick different words and go around the room. 3:51 – Panel: You write the first ½ of a sentence and then you write the other ½ of the sentence! 4:10 – Guest: You have these big word documents and go back-and-forth. 4:36 – Alyssa: Editing and then pass it back-and-forth – how does that work? 4:46 – Guest: It’s like 8 pass backs-and-forth. 5:35 – Guest: The editing was the main issue – it took forever! 5:50 – Chuck: We were going to co-author a book and we didn’t. Chuck: If you could break down the book in 4 core topics what would they be? Elevator pitch? What is the starting knowledge? 6:18 – Guest: We expect you to know Angular Intro and that’s it! 6:43 – Chuck: What are the principles? 6:50 – Guest: We talk about the testing component. We highlight the benefits of using Angular vs. Angular.js. That shows up in the book a lot. It’s very example driven. 7:28 – Chuck: We have been talking about testing quite a bit on the show lately. 8:22 – Chuck: Do you see people using the testing in regards to the pyramid? 8:33 – Guest: I am not a huge fan of the pyramid. Some questions I ask are: Does it run quickly? Is it reliable? To give you some background I work on Google Club Platform. 10:21 – The guest talks about “Page Level Integration Tests.” 11:31 – Alyssa. 11:50 – Chuck: After your explanation after writing your book I’m sure it’s a breeze now. Knowing these tests and having the confidence is great. 12:13 – Guest: Tools like Cypress is very helpful. Web Driver Testing, too. 12:43 – Chuck: Where do people start? What do you recommend? Do they start at Protractor or do they come down to unit tests? 13:02 – Guest: Finding the balance is important. 14:30 – Chuck: Check out a past episode that we’ve done. 14:40 – Panel asks a question about tools such as Test Café and Cypress. 14:50 – Guest: I really don’t know Test Café. There is a long story in how all of these fit together. The guest talks about Selenium, Cypress, Safari, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, and Puppeteer! 19:24 – Chuck: Does it work in Electron as well, too? 19:26 – Guest: Good question but I don’t know the answer. 19:39 – Chuck: Maybe a listener could write a comment and tell us. 19:43 – Panel: I’ve used Protractor for many years. I like the explanation that you just gave. The great thing about Protractor is that you can... 20:29 – Guest: We wanted to explain the difficulty of Protractor in this book. Guest: You have this test running in Node but then you have your app running in the browser. You have these 2 different run times. You might have to run them separately and there is tons of complexity. 21:15 – Panel: As I am coding you have this visual browser on one side, and then on the other side you have... 22:22 – Guest asks the panelists a question. 22:32 – Panel: I have only used it for a few months and a few several apps but haven’t had those issues, yet. 22:55 – Guest: I haven’t heard of Test Café at all. 23:05 – Alyssa: Is the book online? 23:13 – Guest: It’s available through Manning Publications and Amazon. I think we have some codes to giveaway! 23:34 – Chuck: Yeah, we are working on those codes and giveaways. We have mentioned about 5 or 6 tools – are you worried about your book going out of date? 24:05 – Guest: Sure that is something we are worried about. When editing took a long time to get through that was one of my thoughts. The guest talks about Selenium, control flow, Protractor, 25:45 – Guest (continues): These new features were coming out while the book was coming out – so there’s that. What’s this thing about control flow and why this matters to you, etc. We were able to add that into the book, which is good. We were able to get those instructions out there. Books have a delay to them. 26:47 – Chuck: We talked about this in JavaScript Jabber. This guest talked about this and he is from Big Nerd Ranch. At what point do you have this breaking point: This isn’t a good fit for Test Café or Selenium BUT a good fit for Mocha or Jest? 27:27 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 28:04 – Guest: Do you have a reason why you would switch testing tools? 28:12 – Chuck. 28:41 – Guest: That’s the tradeoff as you move down the ladder. 29:43 – Panel: If you want to trigger an action that isn’t triggerable? 29:50 – Guest answers the question. 30:07 – Panel. 30:20 – Chuck. 30:33 – Guest: You can access code. Usually something in a workflow will make it happen. You have to fall back on some type of UI sort of thing. It’s almost like doing Tetris! I’ve never had to directly call something. I am not the best one to answer that. 31:16 – Panel: It’s like a weird mix of tests. 31:29 – Panelist is talking about unit testing and other tests. 31:55 – Chuck asks a question. 32:02 – Guest: It depends on the scale of your project. 32:28 – Chuck: Do you guys use a test coverage tool or on the side of: everything should run and then test if there is a bug. 32:43 – Guest: Coverage isn’t the full story. 33:26 – Panel: You said you weren’t a fan of the testing pyramid – can you explain why? 33:43 – Guest: I think it turns too much prescriptive. Guest: I think there are bigger concerns out there and the test pyramid is an over-simplification. 35:22 – Panel: What’s the difference between fast and slow testing? 35:28 – Guest: It really depends on your level of knowledge. If your test suite runs more than twenty minutes to an hour that is probably too slow! 36:03 – Alyssa. 36:09 – Chuck. 36:16 – Alyssa: There is no way that 20 minutes equals that! 36:26 – Guest: 20 minutes is the extreme limit. 36:51 – Chuck. 37:11 – Panel: Any new Twitter news on Trump? 37:21 – Panelist talks about test suites! 37:40 – Panelists and guests go back-and-forth. 38:11 – Chuck: Do you have any recommendations for the unit testing? Keeping it small or not so much? 38:29 – Guest: Think: What is this test asking? Don’t write tests that won’t fail if some other tests could have caught them. 39:04 – Alyssa: That’s smart! 39:09 – Guest continues. 39:28 – Chuck: What else to jump on? Chuck: Do you write your tests in typescript or in Java? 39:48 – Guest answers the question. He mentions Python, typescript, and more! 40:17 – Alyssa. 40:22 – Guest continues. 40:46 – Alyssa: How many people worked on that project? 40:50 – Guest: 2 or 3 framework engineers who did the tooling. About 20 people total for tooling to make sure everything worked. 41:18 – Panelist asks a question. 41:22 – Guest: About 20 minutes! 42:35 – Guest wants to talk about the topic: end-to-end testing! 44:59 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 45:09 – Fresh Books! END – CacheFly! Links: Vue jQuery Angular JavaScript Python React Cypress Puppeteer – GitHub Protractor Test Mocha.js Selenium C# GitHub: testcafe Istanbul “Protractor: A New Hope” – YouTube Video – Michael Giambalvo & Craig Nishina Book: “Testing Angular Applications” – Manning Publications Michael’s GitHub Michael’s Twitter Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Cache Fly Picks: Alyssa Fantastic Beasts Joe Skyward War of the Spider Queen Luxur - board game Testing Angular with Cypress.io Space Cadets Sonar Family Charles The DevRev Podcast Gary Vee Audio Experience Michael Scale Captain Sonar
Panel: Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Paul Smith and Andrew Mason In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Paul Smith and Andrew Mason! They discuss the platforms Lucky and Crystal. Other topics include: Ruby, Phoenix, Laravel Mix, Thoughtbot, Webpack, compilers, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Welcome!! Eric Berry, Nate Hopkins, and myself are the panel - and our special guests are Paul Smith and Andrew Mason. Introduce yourself! 1:41 – Andrew / Guest: I have messed with every type of language, so there’s that! 1:55 – Paul / Guest: I have been here at my current company for 5 years and it’s a consultancy firm. I have been working on Crystal. 2:14 – Chuck: We are lucky to have you! Give people the elevator pitch for Lucky and Crystal? 2:33 – Guest: Let’s talk about Crystal and looks very similar to Ruby! It’s faster and it’s a compound language. It catches a fair amount of things at compile time. The other special features are... 4:17 – Guest mentions compilers. 4:23 – Chuck: Yeah we see this in the typescript. Is it language service – is that what it’s called? Pile and compile and all of this checking are a nice stage for it to run-through. Although the flipside is coding and to not worry about that – that’s nice! 4:56 – Guest: It has changed my approach for sure. 5:43 – Panel: How much slower are you? 5:54 – Guest: I am a lot faster in Crystal than I am in Ruby. 6:51 – Panel: Yeah you have to figure out where you want to save the time. 7:00 – Guest: Someone wrote a blog post and it said...the Rails service is like bolting a shelf on a wall and hoping to hit a stud and it’s not solid. But using Lucky it’s sold although it took a little longer. I think it can be true. You can do bad things with compilers, though. It depends on how you use it. 7:43 – Panelist asks a question. 7:53 – Guest: Every Friday is an investment day. Lucky is my “whatever I want thing.” I am technically getting paid to work on it. 8:33 – Panel: have you had to battle with the framework? 8:51 – Guest: Yes, even though Crystal looks like Ruby (at a high level) if you want to do it well you have to approach it in the Crystal-way. When I came to Crystal I came to it like Rails. The problem with that is I wanted to have type-saved parameters – you can’t do that in Crystal b/c...it doesn’t know when to have a parameter with... 10:48 – Panel: I have heard you talk about Crystal before on another podcast. You talked about templating and I am curious to hear about that. I have used Slim and others and now stick to ERB. 11:25 – Guest: Yes definitely. Let’s back up and talk about WHAT Lucky does! The guest talks about Rails, escaping, and more! 14:37 – Panel: So I imagine Rails partials are slow and expensive to render. I would imagine that this approach with Lucky... 15:00 – Guest: Yes exactly. It’s extremely fast! 15:20 – Panel: How is this for designers? 15:30 – Guest: Yes that was a concern of mine. With Lucky I tried to make it close to a regular HTML structure would look like! 16:32 – Panel: I spun up a Lucky app the other day. It looks like you are using... 16:50 – Guest: I have played around with a bunch of stuff. I landed on Laravel Mix. 18:27 – Panel: Yes webpack is a pain to set up and it’s hard to get it to working the way you want it to work. 18:47 – Guest: Yeah if you want React or whatever it will generate the configuration you need. I don’t like it b/c if you want to... 19:28 – Panel. 19:45 – Guest: I don’t want to maintain it. 19:54 – Panel: There is a Crystal community in Utah. I want to know – are you competing with Amber? Explain the difference between Lucky and Amber? 20:20 – Guest: Yes I did look at Amber but they are approaching it differently than us. The guest talks about the differences between Amber and Lucky. 21:54 – Guest (continues): With Lucky you will have to learn a little bit more but you get more of a pack! 23:23 – Panel: It sounds like Lucky is inspired by Elm – right? 23:32 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. The guest dives into this topic of Elm and Lucky! 24:35 – Panel: How much does the types feel like it’s getting in your way? How explicit is it? When I came to Ruby it was a breath of fresh air. I am a bit reluctant to go back to those days. 25:25 – Guest: I think Lucky does a happy medium. It doesn’t infer instant variables. I like the... 26:28 – Panel: I learned Java very early on in my computer science career. 27:00 – Guest. 27:10 – Panel: “Crystal...it’s not Java!” That should be your slogan! 27:20 – Fresh Books! 28:25 – Panel: A lot of people are moving to Elixir community. Do you see people moving from Ruby to Lucky and Crystal? How does Lucky compare to Phoenix? 28:55 – Guest: Good question! 29:10 – The guest talks about bamboo – see links below!! 29: 29 – Guest: Sure Ruby is fast but sometimes you spend more time on it then you would want to. 31:08 – Guest: Blessing and curse that Crystal looks so much like Ruby. That’s what I thought at first: why would I want to learn this if it’s so similar to Ruby. BUT there are so many benefits to Crystal vs. Ruby. 31:48 – Guest talks about Lucky catching the bugs. 32:00 – Panel: I wonder if that happened with Groovy and Rails? 32:21 – They go back-and-forth. 32:28 – Panel: Thoughtbot has always been on the forefront of Ruby. Can you talk about Thoughbot please? (See links below for Thoughtbot!) 33:15 – Guest: Great question. It’s hard to tell b/c there are different offices. I would say Ruby is our main thing. Ruby is the most mature thing that we use in-terms of web development. Guest: Actually – Rails is pretty nice! 34:54 – Panel: We went through the same thing with CodeFund! I wrote it initially in Python and then I wrote it in Elixir and it became so complex. Now we are moving everything back to Ruby and it’s been a fantastic decision. 36:30 – Chuck: You are talking about the sustainability of open source but there are benefits throughout the company right? There are tons of tangible benefits of doing it, especially when it’s your Friday schedule. You can level-up on things that could help you. I know a lot of companies cannot afford it if they are trying to hustle. 37:42 – Guest: It’s totally not charity through Thoughtbot. It’s a huge help for hiring new people. I know they are okay with letting me work on Lucky b/c it’s bringing on new developers and a good marketing tool, and finally recruiting! 39:07 – Chuck: Yeah, I have been talking about developer freedom and that’s what I am addressing through the DevRev show! It’s my new podcast show. We talk with Chris on Elixir Mix. It lends that credibility if they need to save our bacon. 40:02 – Panel: What’s your goal with Lucky? 40:11 – Guest: I would love to get it to the point where Thoughtbot could start a project and default to Lucky! Start a project and not resting every gem and be confident with launching it. 41:36 – Panelist asks a question. 41:45 – Guest: It’s not 1.0 and that means that the API will break with every release. I think that’s good to tweak stuff but that turns companies off, though. 42:40 – Chuck: Another thing that helps with adoption is Twitter used Rails to build their initial version. This blah, blah company uses important stuff and they are using Crystal and whatnot then that’s good! It sounds like you are waiting for social proof. 43:23 – Guest: Is the next Twitter going to even know about Crystal? 43:40 – Chuck: It literally only takes one enthusiast! 43:52 – Guest. 44:11 – Demo of Flickr Search is mentioned here! 45:13 – Panel: Is there something out there that you could POINT someone to? 45:27 – Guest: Not, yet. I built a small site with it! It is opensource and you can look at it. I want to show people a good example of what Lucky can do! 45:57 – Panel: You have very good docs and I am a visual learner. When I learned Rails I learned on my own and not through school. 46:20 – Panelist asks a question. 46:48 – Guest: What a huge advantage Lucky has through the Thoughtbot platform! Now that platform is kind of dried up. In terms of getting people excited it needs that killer app and they can see that it’s fast and killer! I think it takes a lot of time and finding time to do it so that’s tricky. It’s changing a lot when there is so much change. Getting Lucky to a 1.0 state so people can do videos and make apps. The hard part thing is that Lucky has to be 1.0 when Crystal is 1.0. The Lucky community is great b/c it’s encouraging and to respond in a very kind way. When you are starting something that’s new can be scary. We try to help out as much as we can and we are open and kind about it. 49:13 – Panel: “Paul is nice so Lucky is nice!” 49:19 – Guest: Everyone is super kind. It had to be short and simple. We in the dev community are very lucky – usually great pay/benefits and more w/o a college degree. What another field can you do that?! 51:00 – Panel: Great message and you need to push that! 51:10 – Panel: You were on a past podcast and you talked about how you are donating each month! Panel: Opensource maintainers are getting burned out and you want to support that. 51:40 – Guest: I think opensource sustainability what others need to do to make it sustainable. If you have the means to give we can be apart of that, too. It would be nice if companies did that. If it helps Crystal I am happy. 52:17 – Panel: I have a question about Crystal. 52:52 – Guest: Ruby right now you can do C sections right now. 53:01 – Panel. 53:10 – Guest: I don’t think so – it may but I would guess that you could do it but I don’t know how easy it would be. Note: Rust and C are mentioned. 53:37 – Panel comments. 53:46 – Guest: One thing I would say is to check-out the Lucky docs. We are happy to help! 54:10 – Panel: This is a favorite episode of mine! Both of today’s guests have been my favorite! 54:23 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Webpacker-Cli Amber Lucky The Lucky Philosophy The Bike Shed Thoughtbot CodeFund Lucky: Ruby on Rails to Lucky on Crystal... “Crystal is not Ruby Part 1” GitHub: Bamboo Ex_Machina Dialyxir Crystal Mastery Samsung T5 Carbon Copy Cloner iMazing Awesome-Lucky Paul Smith GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Nate Samsung SSD Carbon Copy Cloner Application Eric iMazing HEIC Converter Charles Mastodon Andrew Upcase by Thoughtbot Awesome Lucky Paul Tailwind CSS Phoenix Live HTML Chris McCord Elixir Mix Episodes with Chris McCord
Panel: Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Paul Smith and Andrew Mason In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Paul Smith and Andrew Mason! They discuss the platforms Lucky and Crystal. Other topics include: Ruby, Phoenix, Laravel Mix, Thoughtbot, Webpack, compilers, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Welcome!! Eric Berry, Nate Hopkins, and myself are the panel - and our special guests are Paul Smith and Andrew Mason. Introduce yourself! 1:41 – Andrew / Guest: I have messed with every type of language, so there’s that! 1:55 – Paul / Guest: I have been here at my current company for 5 years and it’s a consultancy firm. I have been working on Crystal. 2:14 – Chuck: We are lucky to have you! Give people the elevator pitch for Lucky and Crystal? 2:33 – Guest: Let’s talk about Crystal and looks very similar to Ruby! It’s faster and it’s a compound language. It catches a fair amount of things at compile time. The other special features are... 4:17 – Guest mentions compilers. 4:23 – Chuck: Yeah we see this in the typescript. Is it language service – is that what it’s called? Pile and compile and all of this checking are a nice stage for it to run-through. Although the flipside is coding and to not worry about that – that’s nice! 4:56 – Guest: It has changed my approach for sure. 5:43 – Panel: How much slower are you? 5:54 – Guest: I am a lot faster in Crystal than I am in Ruby. 6:51 – Panel: Yeah you have to figure out where you want to save the time. 7:00 – Guest: Someone wrote a blog post and it said...the Rails service is like bolting a shelf on a wall and hoping to hit a stud and it’s not solid. But using Lucky it’s sold although it took a little longer. I think it can be true. You can do bad things with compilers, though. It depends on how you use it. 7:43 – Panelist asks a question. 7:53 – Guest: Every Friday is an investment day. Lucky is my “whatever I want thing.” I am technically getting paid to work on it. 8:33 – Panel: have you had to battle with the framework? 8:51 – Guest: Yes, even though Crystal looks like Ruby (at a high level) if you want to do it well you have to approach it in the Crystal-way. When I came to Crystal I came to it like Rails. The problem with that is I wanted to have type-saved parameters – you can’t do that in Crystal b/c...it doesn’t know when to have a parameter with... 10:48 – Panel: I have heard you talk about Crystal before on another podcast. You talked about templating and I am curious to hear about that. I have used Slim and others and now stick to ERB. 11:25 – Guest: Yes definitely. Let’s back up and talk about WHAT Lucky does! The guest talks about Rails, escaping, and more! 14:37 – Panel: So I imagine Rails partials are slow and expensive to render. I would imagine that this approach with Lucky... 15:00 – Guest: Yes exactly. It’s extremely fast! 15:20 – Panel: How is this for designers? 15:30 – Guest: Yes that was a concern of mine. With Lucky I tried to make it close to a regular HTML structure would look like! 16:32 – Panel: I spun up a Lucky app the other day. It looks like you are using... 16:50 – Guest: I have played around with a bunch of stuff. I landed on Laravel Mix. 18:27 – Panel: Yes webpack is a pain to set up and it’s hard to get it to working the way you want it to work. 18:47 – Guest: Yeah if you want React or whatever it will generate the configuration you need. I don’t like it b/c if you want to... 19:28 – Panel. 19:45 – Guest: I don’t want to maintain it. 19:54 – Panel: There is a Crystal community in Utah. I want to know – are you competing with Amber? Explain the difference between Lucky and Amber? 20:20 – Guest: Yes I did look at Amber but they are approaching it differently than us. The guest talks about the differences between Amber and Lucky. 21:54 – Guest (continues): With Lucky you will have to learn a little bit more but you get more of a pack! 23:23 – Panel: It sounds like Lucky is inspired by Elm – right? 23:32 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. The guest dives into this topic of Elm and Lucky! 24:35 – Panel: How much does the types feel like it’s getting in your way? How explicit is it? When I came to Ruby it was a breath of fresh air. I am a bit reluctant to go back to those days. 25:25 – Guest: I think Lucky does a happy medium. It doesn’t infer instant variables. I like the... 26:28 – Panel: I learned Java very early on in my computer science career. 27:00 – Guest. 27:10 – Panel: “Crystal...it’s not Java!” That should be your slogan! 27:20 – Fresh Books! 28:25 – Panel: A lot of people are moving to Elixir community. Do you see people moving from Ruby to Lucky and Crystal? How does Lucky compare to Phoenix? 28:55 – Guest: Good question! 29:10 – The guest talks about bamboo – see links below!! 29: 29 – Guest: Sure Ruby is fast but sometimes you spend more time on it then you would want to. 31:08 – Guest: Blessing and curse that Crystal looks so much like Ruby. That’s what I thought at first: why would I want to learn this if it’s so similar to Ruby. BUT there are so many benefits to Crystal vs. Ruby. 31:48 – Guest talks about Lucky catching the bugs. 32:00 – Panel: I wonder if that happened with Groovy and Rails? 32:21 – They go back-and-forth. 32:28 – Panel: Thoughtbot has always been on the forefront of Ruby. Can you talk about Thoughbot please? (See links below for Thoughtbot!) 33:15 – Guest: Great question. It’s hard to tell b/c there are different offices. I would say Ruby is our main thing. Ruby is the most mature thing that we use in-terms of web development. Guest: Actually – Rails is pretty nice! 34:54 – Panel: We went through the same thing with CodeFund! I wrote it initially in Python and then I wrote it in Elixir and it became so complex. Now we are moving everything back to Ruby and it’s been a fantastic decision. 36:30 – Chuck: You are talking about the sustainability of open source but there are benefits throughout the company right? There are tons of tangible benefits of doing it, especially when it’s your Friday schedule. You can level-up on things that could help you. I know a lot of companies cannot afford it if they are trying to hustle. 37:42 – Guest: It’s totally not charity through Thoughtbot. It’s a huge help for hiring new people. I know they are okay with letting me work on Lucky b/c it’s bringing on new developers and a good marketing tool, and finally recruiting! 39:07 – Chuck: Yeah, I have been talking about developer freedom and that’s what I am addressing through the DevRev show! It’s my new podcast show. We talk with Chris on Elixir Mix. It lends that credibility if they need to save our bacon. 40:02 – Panel: What’s your goal with Lucky? 40:11 – Guest: I would love to get it to the point where Thoughtbot could start a project and default to Lucky! Start a project and not resting every gem and be confident with launching it. 41:36 – Panelist asks a question. 41:45 – Guest: It’s not 1.0 and that means that the API will break with every release. I think that’s good to tweak stuff but that turns companies off, though. 42:40 – Chuck: Another thing that helps with adoption is Twitter used Rails to build their initial version. This blah, blah company uses important stuff and they are using Crystal and whatnot then that’s good! It sounds like you are waiting for social proof. 43:23 – Guest: Is the next Twitter going to even know about Crystal? 43:40 – Chuck: It literally only takes one enthusiast! 43:52 – Guest. 44:11 – Demo of Flickr Search is mentioned here! 45:13 – Panel: Is there something out there that you could POINT someone to? 45:27 – Guest: Not, yet. I built a small site with it! It is opensource and you can look at it. I want to show people a good example of what Lucky can do! 45:57 – Panel: You have very good docs and I am a visual learner. When I learned Rails I learned on my own and not through school. 46:20 – Panelist asks a question. 46:48 – Guest: What a huge advantage Lucky has through the Thoughtbot platform! Now that platform is kind of dried up. In terms of getting people excited it needs that killer app and they can see that it’s fast and killer! I think it takes a lot of time and finding time to do it so that’s tricky. It’s changing a lot when there is so much change. Getting Lucky to a 1.0 state so people can do videos and make apps. The hard part thing is that Lucky has to be 1.0 when Crystal is 1.0. The Lucky community is great b/c it’s encouraging and to respond in a very kind way. When you are starting something that’s new can be scary. We try to help out as much as we can and we are open and kind about it. 49:13 – Panel: “Paul is nice so Lucky is nice!” 49:19 – Guest: Everyone is super kind. It had to be short and simple. We in the dev community are very lucky – usually great pay/benefits and more w/o a college degree. What another field can you do that?! 51:00 – Panel: Great message and you need to push that! 51:10 – Panel: You were on a past podcast and you talked about how you are donating each month! Panel: Opensource maintainers are getting burned out and you want to support that. 51:40 – Guest: I think opensource sustainability what others need to do to make it sustainable. If you have the means to give we can be apart of that, too. It would be nice if companies did that. If it helps Crystal I am happy. 52:17 – Panel: I have a question about Crystal. 52:52 – Guest: Ruby right now you can do C sections right now. 53:01 – Panel. 53:10 – Guest: I don’t think so – it may but I would guess that you could do it but I don’t know how easy it would be. Note: Rust and C are mentioned. 53:37 – Panel comments. 53:46 – Guest: One thing I would say is to check-out the Lucky docs. We are happy to help! 54:10 – Panel: This is a favorite episode of mine! Both of today’s guests have been my favorite! 54:23 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Webpacker-Cli Amber Lucky The Lucky Philosophy The Bike Shed Thoughtbot CodeFund Lucky: Ruby on Rails to Lucky on Crystal... “Crystal is not Ruby Part 1” GitHub: Bamboo Ex_Machina Dialyxir Crystal Mastery Samsung T5 Carbon Copy Cloner iMazing Awesome-Lucky Paul Smith GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Nate Samsung SSD Carbon Copy Cloner Application Eric iMazing HEIC Converter Charles Mastodon Andrew Upcase by Thoughtbot Awesome Lucky Paul Tailwind CSS Phoenix Live HTML Chris McCord Elixir Mix Episodes with Chris McCord
Panel: Eric Berry Charles Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Paul Smith and Andrew Mason In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panelists talk with Paul Smith and Andrew Mason! They discuss the platforms Lucky and Crystal. Other topics include: Ruby, Phoenix, Laravel Mix, Thoughtbot, Webpack, compilers, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Sentry.io 1:02 – Chuck: Welcome!! Eric Berry, Nate Hopkins, and myself are the panel - and our special guests are Paul Smith and Andrew Mason. Introduce yourself! 1:41 – Andrew / Guest: I have messed with every type of language, so there’s that! 1:55 – Paul / Guest: I have been here at my current company for 5 years and it’s a consultancy firm. I have been working on Crystal. 2:14 – Chuck: We are lucky to have you! Give people the elevator pitch for Lucky and Crystal? 2:33 – Guest: Let’s talk about Crystal and looks very similar to Ruby! It’s faster and it’s a compound language. It catches a fair amount of things at compile time. The other special features are... 4:17 – Guest mentions compilers. 4:23 – Chuck: Yeah we see this in the typescript. Is it language service – is that what it’s called? Pile and compile and all of this checking are a nice stage for it to run-through. Although the flipside is coding and to not worry about that – that’s nice! 4:56 – Guest: It has changed my approach for sure. 5:43 – Panel: How much slower are you? 5:54 – Guest: I am a lot faster in Crystal than I am in Ruby. 6:51 – Panel: Yeah you have to figure out where you want to save the time. 7:00 – Guest: Someone wrote a blog post and it said...the Rails service is like bolting a shelf on a wall and hoping to hit a stud and it’s not solid. But using Lucky it’s sold although it took a little longer. I think it can be true. You can do bad things with compilers, though. It depends on how you use it. 7:43 – Panelist asks a question. 7:53 – Guest: Every Friday is an investment day. Lucky is my “whatever I want thing.” I am technically getting paid to work on it. 8:33 – Panel: have you had to battle with the framework? 8:51 – Guest: Yes, even though Crystal looks like Ruby (at a high level) if you want to do it well you have to approach it in the Crystal-way. When I came to Crystal I came to it like Rails. The problem with that is I wanted to have type-saved parameters – you can’t do that in Crystal b/c...it doesn’t know when to have a parameter with... 10:48 – Panel: I have heard you talk about Crystal before on another podcast. You talked about templating and I am curious to hear about that. I have used Slim and others and now stick to ERB. 11:25 – Guest: Yes definitely. Let’s back up and talk about WHAT Lucky does! The guest talks about Rails, escaping, and more! 14:37 – Panel: So I imagine Rails partials are slow and expensive to render. I would imagine that this approach with Lucky... 15:00 – Guest: Yes exactly. It’s extremely fast! 15:20 – Panel: How is this for designers? 15:30 – Guest: Yes that was a concern of mine. With Lucky I tried to make it close to a regular HTML structure would look like! 16:32 – Panel: I spun up a Lucky app the other day. It looks like you are using... 16:50 – Guest: I have played around with a bunch of stuff. I landed on Laravel Mix. 18:27 – Panel: Yes webpack is a pain to set up and it’s hard to get it to working the way you want it to work. 18:47 – Guest: Yeah if you want React or whatever it will generate the configuration you need. I don’t like it b/c if you want to... 19:28 – Panel. 19:45 – Guest: I don’t want to maintain it. 19:54 – Panel: There is a Crystal community in Utah. I want to know – are you competing with Amber? Explain the difference between Lucky and Amber? 20:20 – Guest: Yes I did look at Amber but they are approaching it differently than us. The guest talks about the differences between Amber and Lucky. 21:54 – Guest (continues): With Lucky you will have to learn a little bit more but you get more of a pack! 23:23 – Panel: It sounds like Lucky is inspired by Elm – right? 23:32 – Guest: Yeah, I think so. The guest dives into this topic of Elm and Lucky! 24:35 – Panel: How much does the types feel like it’s getting in your way? How explicit is it? When I came to Ruby it was a breath of fresh air. I am a bit reluctant to go back to those days. 25:25 – Guest: I think Lucky does a happy medium. It doesn’t infer instant variables. I like the... 26:28 – Panel: I learned Java very early on in my computer science career. 27:00 – Guest. 27:10 – Panel: “Crystal...it’s not Java!” That should be your slogan! 27:20 – Fresh Books! 28:25 – Panel: A lot of people are moving to Elixir community. Do you see people moving from Ruby to Lucky and Crystal? How does Lucky compare to Phoenix? 28:55 – Guest: Good question! 29:10 – The guest talks about bamboo – see links below!! 29: 29 – Guest: Sure Ruby is fast but sometimes you spend more time on it then you would want to. 31:08 – Guest: Blessing and curse that Crystal looks so much like Ruby. That’s what I thought at first: why would I want to learn this if it’s so similar to Ruby. BUT there are so many benefits to Crystal vs. Ruby. 31:48 – Guest talks about Lucky catching the bugs. 32:00 – Panel: I wonder if that happened with Groovy and Rails? 32:21 – They go back-and-forth. 32:28 – Panel: Thoughtbot has always been on the forefront of Ruby. Can you talk about Thoughbot please? (See links below for Thoughtbot!) 33:15 – Guest: Great question. It’s hard to tell b/c there are different offices. I would say Ruby is our main thing. Ruby is the most mature thing that we use in-terms of web development. Guest: Actually – Rails is pretty nice! 34:54 – Panel: We went through the same thing with CodeFund! I wrote it initially in Python and then I wrote it in Elixir and it became so complex. Now we are moving everything back to Ruby and it’s been a fantastic decision. 36:30 – Chuck: You are talking about the sustainability of open source but there are benefits throughout the company right? There are tons of tangible benefits of doing it, especially when it’s your Friday schedule. You can level-up on things that could help you. I know a lot of companies cannot afford it if they are trying to hustle. 37:42 – Guest: It’s totally not charity through Thoughtbot. It’s a huge help for hiring new people. I know they are okay with letting me work on Lucky b/c it’s bringing on new developers and a good marketing tool, and finally recruiting! 39:07 – Chuck: Yeah, I have been talking about developer freedom and that’s what I am addressing through the DevRev show! It’s my new podcast show. We talk with Chris on Elixir Mix. It lends that credibility if they need to save our bacon. 40:02 – Panel: What’s your goal with Lucky? 40:11 – Guest: I would love to get it to the point where Thoughtbot could start a project and default to Lucky! Start a project and not resting every gem and be confident with launching it. 41:36 – Panelist asks a question. 41:45 – Guest: It’s not 1.0 and that means that the API will break with every release. I think that’s good to tweak stuff but that turns companies off, though. 42:40 – Chuck: Another thing that helps with adoption is Twitter used Rails to build their initial version. This blah, blah company uses important stuff and they are using Crystal and whatnot then that’s good! It sounds like you are waiting for social proof. 43:23 – Guest: Is the next Twitter going to even know about Crystal? 43:40 – Chuck: It literally only takes one enthusiast! 43:52 – Guest. 44:11 – Demo of Flickr Search is mentioned here! 45:13 – Panel: Is there something out there that you could POINT someone to? 45:27 – Guest: Not, yet. I built a small site with it! It is opensource and you can look at it. I want to show people a good example of what Lucky can do! 45:57 – Panel: You have very good docs and I am a visual learner. When I learned Rails I learned on my own and not through school. 46:20 – Panelist asks a question. 46:48 – Guest: What a huge advantage Lucky has through the Thoughtbot platform! Now that platform is kind of dried up. In terms of getting people excited it needs that killer app and they can see that it’s fast and killer! I think it takes a lot of time and finding time to do it so that’s tricky. It’s changing a lot when there is so much change. Getting Lucky to a 1.0 state so people can do videos and make apps. The hard part thing is that Lucky has to be 1.0 when Crystal is 1.0. The Lucky community is great b/c it’s encouraging and to respond in a very kind way. When you are starting something that’s new can be scary. We try to help out as much as we can and we are open and kind about it. 49:13 – Panel: “Paul is nice so Lucky is nice!” 49:19 – Guest: Everyone is super kind. It had to be short and simple. We in the dev community are very lucky – usually great pay/benefits and more w/o a college degree. What another field can you do that?! 51:00 – Panel: Great message and you need to push that! 51:10 – Panel: You were on a past podcast and you talked about how you are donating each month! Panel: Opensource maintainers are getting burned out and you want to support that. 51:40 – Guest: I think opensource sustainability what others need to do to make it sustainable. If you have the means to give we can be apart of that, too. It would be nice if companies did that. If it helps Crystal I am happy. 52:17 – Panel: I have a question about Crystal. 52:52 – Guest: Ruby right now you can do C sections right now. 53:01 – Panel. 53:10 – Guest: I don’t think so – it may but I would guess that you could do it but I don’t know how easy it would be. Note: Rust and C are mentioned. 53:37 – Panel comments. 53:46 – Guest: One thing I would say is to check-out the Lucky docs. We are happy to help! 54:10 – Panel: This is a favorite episode of mine! Both of today’s guests have been my favorite! 54:23 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course The DevRev Podcast Show DevChat TV Ruby Elixir Ruby on Rails Angular Cypress Vue React Jest.io Mocha.js Webpacker-Cli Amber Lucky The Lucky Philosophy The Bike Shed Thoughtbot CodeFund Lucky: Ruby on Rails to Lucky on Crystal... “Crystal is not Ruby Part 1” GitHub: Bamboo Ex_Machina Dialyxir Crystal Mastery Samsung T5 Carbon Copy Cloner iMazing Awesome-Lucky Paul Smith GitHub Sponsors: Sentry CacheFly Fresh Books Picks: Nate Samsung SSD Carbon Copy Cloner Application Eric iMazing HEIC Converter Charles Mastodon Andrew Upcase by Thoughtbot Awesome Lucky Paul Tailwind CSS Phoenix Live HTML Chris McCord Elixir Mix Episodes with Chris McCord
Panel: Joe Eames John Papa Erik Hatchett Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Miriam Suzanne In this episode, the panel talks with Miriam Suzanne who is an author, performer, musician, designer, and web developer who works with OddBird, Teacup, Gorilla, Grapefruit Lab, and CSS Tricks. She’s the author of Riding SideSaddle and the Post-Obsolete Book, co-author of Jump Start Sass, and creator of the Susy and True Open-Source toolkits. The panel and the guest talk about Fonts! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:53 – Guest: Hello! 1:01 – Guest: I am a designer and a developer and started a business with my brother. We are two college dropouts. 2:00 – Panel: Is that’s why it’s called OddBird? 2:05 – Guest: Started with Vue and have been talking at conferences. 2:31 – Chuck: Chris invited you and he’s not here today – go figure! 2:47 – Panel: You are big in the CSS world. 2:58 – Guest: That’s where I’ve made my name. I made a grid system that was popular at one moment in time. 3:17 – Panel. 3:27 – Panel: Grid Systems are... 3:36 – Guest talks about her grid system and how it looked. 4:20 – Panel. 4:24 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 5:24 – Chuck. 5:27 – Guest: That’s why grid systems came out in the first place b/c layout was such a nightmare. When I built Susy... 6:02 – How much easier is design today on modern browsers compared to ten years ago when you created Susy? 6:14 – Guest: It can look daunting but there are great guides out there! 7:04 – Panel asks a question. 7:11 – Guest: We recommend a stack to our clients. We had been using backbone Marinette for a while and we wanted to start messing with others. Looking at other frameworks. Looking at design, I like that Vue doesn’t hide it from me and I can see what I need. 8:41 – Panel: I love that about Vue. I knew this guy named, Hue. 8:54 – Guest: I have been friends with Sarah Drasner. 9:07 – Panel: Sarah is great she’s on my team. 9:39 – Guest: I had been diving into JavaScript over the summer. I hadn’t done a lot of JS in the past before the summer. I was learning Vanilla JavaScript. 10:21 – Guest: I don’t like how it mixes it all together (in reference to the JSX). 10:44 – Panel mentions Python and other things. Panelist asks a question. 10:54 – Guest: That would be a question for someone who writes that. 11:30 – Panel: I am going to change topics here for a second. Can you talk about your talk? And what is a design system? 11:48 – Guest answers the question. 13:26 – Panel follows-up with another question. 13:35 – Guest talks about component libraries. 15:30 – Chuck: Do people assume that the component that they have has all the accessibility baked-in b/c everything else does – and turns out it doesn’t? 15:48 – Guest answers. Guest: Hopefully it’s marked into the documentation. 16:25 – Panel. 16:36 – Guest: If you don’t document it – it doesn’t exist. 17:01 – Panel. 17:22 – Guest: “How do we sell clients on this?” We don’t – we let them come back and say, “we had to do less upkeep.” If they are following our patterns then... 17:57 – Panel: We’ve had where guides are handed off and it erodes slowly over time. Then people are doing it 10 different ways and not doing it the way it was designed. 18:31 – Guest: Yes, it should be baked-into the design and it shouldn’t be added to the style guide. 19:02 – Chuck: I really love Sass – and CSS – how do you write SASS or CSS with Vue? 19:12 – Guest answers the question. 19:23 – Chuck: You made my life better! 19:31 – Guest: If you have global files...you can have those imported among other things. 20:11 – Panel: What’s the best way to go about that? 20:24 – The guest talks about CSS, global designs, among other things. 21:15 – The guest mentions inverted triangles CSS! 22:12 – Guest: The deeper we get the narrower we get! 22:49 – Guest mentions scope styles. 23:12 – Panel: That makes total sense! We are using scope everywhere. 23:30 – Guest. 23:36 – Panel: How would you approach this? I start with scope and then I take them out of scope and then usually promote them to import for mix-ins. I wonder where is that border? 24:30 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 25:09 – Guest answers the question. 25:53 – Panel: It sounds easy at first but when you are designing it you say: I know that isn’t right! 26:13 – Guest: I try to go through a design proposal. 26:27 – Guest defines the term: reused. 27:04 – Panel. 27:10 – Guest. 27:30 – Panel: We used to have this problem where we got the question of the following: splitting up the CSS bundles. 28:27 – Guest: That is the nice thing of having CSS in components. 28:49 – Panel asks Miriam a question. 29:02 – Guest: That’s often when someone wants a redesign. 29:54 – Panel: How do you decide on how many fonts to deliver so they don’t take over the size of the browser? 30:09 – Guest: The usual design rule is no more than 2-3 fonts works out well for performance. Try to keep that rule in mind, but you have to consider every unique project. What is more important for THAT project? 31:46 – Panel. 32:21 – Guest gives recommendations with fonts and font files. 33:37 – Chuck: What are you working on now with Vue? 33:45 – Guest answers the question. The guest talks about collaborative writing. 34:10 – Miriam continues. 34:55 – Chuck: What was the trickiest part? 35:00 – Guest answers the question. 36:03 – Guest: It’s called Vue Finder and it’s through open source. 36:39 – Chuck: Any recent talks coming up for you? 36:49 – Guest: I have one tonight and later one in California! 37:02 – Guest: There were several Vue conferences this year that I was sad to have missed. 37:40 – Guest: Are you doing it again? 37:49 – Panel: How many do you attend? 37:57 – Guest: Normally I do 8-10 conferences and then a variety of Meetups. 38:33 – Chuck: Picks! How do people find you? 38:41 – Guest: OddBird.net and Twitter! 38:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React JavaScript C# C++ C++ Programming / Memory Management Angular Blazor JavaScript DevChat TV JSX VueConf US 2018 CSS Tricks – By Sarah Drasner Real Talk JavaScript FX Miriam’s Twitter Miriam’s Website OddBird Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Joe Indoor Rock Climbing Getting back into what you enjoy RoboTech History of Robotech Vue.JS In Action John Papa How To Import a SASS file into every Vue Component in an App Real Talk JS Podcast Erik AWS Amplify Doctor Who Charles Dungeons and Dragons Stuff Extreme Ownership Miriam Pose New DND Game - Test Version
Panel: Joe Eames John Papa Erik Hatchett Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Miriam Suzanne In this episode, the panel talks with Miriam Suzanne who is an author, performer, musician, designer, and web developer who works with OddBird, Teacup, Gorilla, Grapefruit Lab, and CSS Tricks. She’s the author of Riding SideSaddle and the Post-Obsolete Book, co-author of Jump Start Sass, and creator of the Susy and True Open-Source toolkits. The panel and the guest talk about Fonts! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:53 – Guest: Hello! 1:01 – Guest: I am a designer and a developer and started a business with my brother. We are two college dropouts. 2:00 – Panel: Is that’s why it’s called OddBird? 2:05 – Guest: Started with Vue and have been talking at conferences. 2:31 – Chuck: Chris invited you and he’s not here today – go figure! 2:47 – Panel: You are big in the CSS world. 2:58 – Guest: That’s where I’ve made my name. I made a grid system that was popular at one moment in time. 3:17 – Panel. 3:27 – Panel: Grid Systems are... 3:36 – Guest talks about her grid system and how it looked. 4:20 – Panel. 4:24 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 5:24 – Chuck. 5:27 – Guest: That’s why grid systems came out in the first place b/c layout was such a nightmare. When I built Susy... 6:02 – How much easier is design today on modern browsers compared to ten years ago when you created Susy? 6:14 – Guest: It can look daunting but there are great guides out there! 7:04 – Panel asks a question. 7:11 – Guest: We recommend a stack to our clients. We had been using backbone Marinette for a while and we wanted to start messing with others. Looking at other frameworks. Looking at design, I like that Vue doesn’t hide it from me and I can see what I need. 8:41 – Panel: I love that about Vue. I knew this guy named, Hue. 8:54 – Guest: I have been friends with Sarah Drasner. 9:07 – Panel: Sarah is great she’s on my team. 9:39 – Guest: I had been diving into JavaScript over the summer. I hadn’t done a lot of JS in the past before the summer. I was learning Vanilla JavaScript. 10:21 – Guest: I don’t like how it mixes it all together (in reference to the JSX). 10:44 – Panel mentions Python and other things. Panelist asks a question. 10:54 – Guest: That would be a question for someone who writes that. 11:30 – Panel: I am going to change topics here for a second. Can you talk about your talk? And what is a design system? 11:48 – Guest answers the question. 13:26 – Panel follows-up with another question. 13:35 – Guest talks about component libraries. 15:30 – Chuck: Do people assume that the component that they have has all the accessibility baked-in b/c everything else does – and turns out it doesn’t? 15:48 – Guest answers. Guest: Hopefully it’s marked into the documentation. 16:25 – Panel. 16:36 – Guest: If you don’t document it – it doesn’t exist. 17:01 – Panel. 17:22 – Guest: “How do we sell clients on this?” We don’t – we let them come back and say, “we had to do less upkeep.” If they are following our patterns then... 17:57 – Panel: We’ve had where guides are handed off and it erodes slowly over time. Then people are doing it 10 different ways and not doing it the way it was designed. 18:31 – Guest: Yes, it should be baked-into the design and it shouldn’t be added to the style guide. 19:02 – Chuck: I really love Sass – and CSS – how do you write SASS or CSS with Vue? 19:12 – Guest answers the question. 19:23 – Chuck: You made my life better! 19:31 – Guest: If you have global files...you can have those imported among other things. 20:11 – Panel: What’s the best way to go about that? 20:24 – The guest talks about CSS, global designs, among other things. 21:15 – The guest mentions inverted triangles CSS! 22:12 – Guest: The deeper we get the narrower we get! 22:49 – Guest mentions scope styles. 23:12 – Panel: That makes total sense! We are using scope everywhere. 23:30 – Guest. 23:36 – Panel: How would you approach this? I start with scope and then I take them out of scope and then usually promote them to import for mix-ins. I wonder where is that border? 24:30 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 25:09 – Guest answers the question. 25:53 – Panel: It sounds easy at first but when you are designing it you say: I know that isn’t right! 26:13 – Guest: I try to go through a design proposal. 26:27 – Guest defines the term: reused. 27:04 – Panel. 27:10 – Guest. 27:30 – Panel: We used to have this problem where we got the question of the following: splitting up the CSS bundles. 28:27 – Guest: That is the nice thing of having CSS in components. 28:49 – Panel asks Miriam a question. 29:02 – Guest: That’s often when someone wants a redesign. 29:54 – Panel: How do you decide on how many fonts to deliver so they don’t take over the size of the browser? 30:09 – Guest: The usual design rule is no more than 2-3 fonts works out well for performance. Try to keep that rule in mind, but you have to consider every unique project. What is more important for THAT project? 31:46 – Panel. 32:21 – Guest gives recommendations with fonts and font files. 33:37 – Chuck: What are you working on now with Vue? 33:45 – Guest answers the question. The guest talks about collaborative writing. 34:10 – Miriam continues. 34:55 – Chuck: What was the trickiest part? 35:00 – Guest answers the question. 36:03 – Guest: It’s called Vue Finder and it’s through open source. 36:39 – Chuck: Any recent talks coming up for you? 36:49 – Guest: I have one tonight and later one in California! 37:02 – Guest: There were several Vue conferences this year that I was sad to have missed. 37:40 – Guest: Are you doing it again? 37:49 – Panel: How many do you attend? 37:57 – Guest: Normally I do 8-10 conferences and then a variety of Meetups. 38:33 – Chuck: Picks! How do people find you? 38:41 – Guest: OddBird.net and Twitter! 38:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React JavaScript C# C++ C++ Programming / Memory Management Angular Blazor JavaScript DevChat TV JSX VueConf US 2018 CSS Tricks – By Sarah Drasner Real Talk JavaScript FX Miriam’s Twitter Miriam’s Website OddBird Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Joe Indoor Rock Climbing Getting back into what you enjoy RoboTech History of Robotech Vue.JS In Action John Papa How To Import a SASS file into every Vue Component in an App Real Talk JS Podcast Erik AWS Amplify Doctor Who Charles Dungeons and Dragons Stuff Extreme Ownership Miriam Pose New DND Game - Test Version
Panel: Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Special Guest: Devon Estes In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Devon Estes who is a software developer who uses Elixir. He currently resides in Berlin, Germany and has been working there for the past four years. The panelists and the guest talk about Elixir, testing, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:49 – Chuck: I am starting a new show called The DevRev. Check it out here! Our special guest today is Devon Estes. Episode 18 is a past episode you’ve been on – check it out here! 1:26 – Devon: I am American but live in Berlin, Germany for about 4 years now. I was a freelancer, but now I am at a “real” job now where I am a software developer using Elixir. 1:50 – Chuck: Cool! 2:05 – Guest: Something to always talk about testing – it’s evergreen! 2:15 – Chuck: What are the benefits you get from testing and what is your approach? 2:24 – The guest answers the question. 3:53 – Panelist chimes in. 4:18 – Panel: I like playing around and I know when something is terrible. I have to poke around to figure out if I like it or not. I am an exploratory developer. I write a test and it looks great at first but the implementation is terrible or something. 5:54 – Mark comments on developers and how they interact with their code. 7:15 – Mark: How do you approach that? I heard you talking about tests, spikes and other things. 7:22 – Guest: If it is something that is small I will write the test first. If it’s larger I will usually do 2-3 spikes to figure out what is going on. The guest continues with this topic. 8:54 – Panel: I found that over the years I couldn’t do that. 9:21 – Guest: With the topic of testing in Elixir I have these “rules” but I break them all the time. Sometimes you get better, cleaner tests out of it if you were to break the rule(s.). Tests are only there for 90% of the time, in my own opinion. Sometimes you have to play around to see what’s going on. 10:36 – Panel: I agree a lot, especially with integrations. 10:49 – Guest. 12:18 – Panel: You have these guidelines or rules and you know when to break those rules. You talked about these specific rules and I thought it was interesting. I was reading through these and I have the same rules but you codified them with examples. Can you walk us through your guidelines? 13:00 – Guest: To be super clear I am talking about unit tests. When I think of testing there is this testing pyramid. 13:52 – Panel. 14:57 – Guest: Like I said, these rules are meant to be broken, if appropriate. 16:39 – Guest continues with unit testing and other types of testing. He talks about easier to more difficult kinds of tests. 17:42 – Guest (continues): Sometimes the tests are accurately true, and sometimes not. It can be easy to get into those traps. Hopefully they will tell you what is expected. 18:25 – Panel: In Ruby, there is a test that would modify your code and remove stuff? Was it Mutant? Mutant testing. 19:03 – Guest answers the question. 19:38 – Guest: I don’t know if Elixir has anything like that, yet, but it would be pretty cool. It would be a good idea for someone to take on! 20:00 – Chuck: I have had conversations with a colleague – they both pushed back and talked more about Cypress.io and integrated tests. 21:04 – Chuck: I think it’s interesting to see the different approaches! 21:14 – Guest: We are lucky to have great tooling in Elixir!! The guest mentions Wallaby.js! 24:39 – The guest talks about unit levels. Check it out here! 26:35 – Panel. 26:48 – Chuck: How does it affect my workflow? I like end-to-end tests. The efficiency, if it’s repeating stuff – I don’t care – as long as it’s fast enough. If it ruins my workflow then it’s a problem. 27:22 – Panel. 28:12 – The topic “test coverage” is mentioned by Chuck. 28:25 – Panel. 29:02 – FreshBooks! 30:10 – Guest talks about Wallaby.js. 32:24 – Panel: We’ve had you on before, and the idea is that you are all into Elixir and its path. (EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes) 32:57 – Guest: I think testing in Elixir is simpler. 34:04 – Panel. 34:07 – Guest: You have commands and you have queries. The guest gives a hypothetical example! The guest also mentions GenServers, too. 35:42 – Guest: There are two ways that you can interact with the process: command & queries. 37:00 – Guest talks about different libraries such as: MoX. 37:41 – Panel: Any tips on testing the servers; just any GenServer? 38:25 – Panelist shares his approach with this. 39:54 – Guest: I don’t test name servers b/c they are by definition global state. The guest goes into great detail about testing – check it out! 46:29 – Panel. 47:01 – Guest: I kind of hate the term dependency interjection in the functional context. 47:17 – Panel: I think it’s helpful, because... 47:28 – Guest. 47:49 – Panelists go back-and-forth! 48:20 – Panel: Sending a message to the testing process – this was something that was stated by Devon earlier. I find this really helpful. 49:00 – Chuck: Picks! 49:05 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Wallaby Cypress.io Mutation Testing – GitHub MoX MRS 003 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 295 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 330 – Episode with Devon Estes EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes Devon’s GitHub Devon’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Get Alias Blog - Mox Josh GitPitch.com Slide Deck by Josh Charles Values Extreme Ownership Sit down with your team Discord server for DevChat Recommendation Page for Elixir Devon Dell Laptop XPS 13 Play Station Mini Test - devonestes@gmail.com
Panel: Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Special Guest: Devon Estes In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Devon Estes who is a software developer who uses Elixir. He currently resides in Berlin, Germany and has been working there for the past four years. The panelists and the guest talk about Elixir, testing, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:49 – Chuck: I am starting a new show called The DevRev. Check it out here! Our special guest today is Devon Estes. Episode 18 is a past episode you’ve been on – check it out here! 1:26 – Devon: I am American but live in Berlin, Germany for about 4 years now. I was a freelancer, but now I am at a “real” job now where I am a software developer using Elixir. 1:50 – Chuck: Cool! 2:05 – Guest: Something to always talk about testing – it’s evergreen! 2:15 – Chuck: What are the benefits you get from testing and what is your approach? 2:24 – The guest answers the question. 3:53 – Panelist chimes in. 4:18 – Panel: I like playing around and I know when something is terrible. I have to poke around to figure out if I like it or not. I am an exploratory developer. I write a test and it looks great at first but the implementation is terrible or something. 5:54 – Mark comments on developers and how they interact with their code. 7:15 – Mark: How do you approach that? I heard you talking about tests, spikes and other things. 7:22 – Guest: If it is something that is small I will write the test first. If it’s larger I will usually do 2-3 spikes to figure out what is going on. The guest continues with this topic. 8:54 – Panel: I found that over the years I couldn’t do that. 9:21 – Guest: With the topic of testing in Elixir I have these “rules” but I break them all the time. Sometimes you get better, cleaner tests out of it if you were to break the rule(s.). Tests are only there for 90% of the time, in my own opinion. Sometimes you have to play around to see what’s going on. 10:36 – Panel: I agree a lot, especially with integrations. 10:49 – Guest. 12:18 – Panel: You have these guidelines or rules and you know when to break those rules. You talked about these specific rules and I thought it was interesting. I was reading through these and I have the same rules but you codified them with examples. Can you walk us through your guidelines? 13:00 – Guest: To be super clear I am talking about unit tests. When I think of testing there is this testing pyramid. 13:52 – Panel. 14:57 – Guest: Like I said, these rules are meant to be broken, if appropriate. 16:39 – Guest continues with unit testing and other types of testing. He talks about easier to more difficult kinds of tests. 17:42 – Guest (continues): Sometimes the tests are accurately true, and sometimes not. It can be easy to get into those traps. Hopefully they will tell you what is expected. 18:25 – Panel: In Ruby, there is a test that would modify your code and remove stuff? Was it Mutant? Mutant testing. 19:03 – Guest answers the question. 19:38 – Guest: I don’t know if Elixir has anything like that, yet, but it would be pretty cool. It would be a good idea for someone to take on! 20:00 – Chuck: I have had conversations with a colleague – they both pushed back and talked more about Cypress.io and integrated tests. 21:04 – Chuck: I think it’s interesting to see the different approaches! 21:14 – Guest: We are lucky to have great tooling in Elixir!! The guest mentions Wallaby.js! 24:39 – The guest talks about unit levels. Check it out here! 26:35 – Panel. 26:48 – Chuck: How does it affect my workflow? I like end-to-end tests. The efficiency, if it’s repeating stuff – I don’t care – as long as it’s fast enough. If it ruins my workflow then it’s a problem. 27:22 – Panel. 28:12 – The topic “test coverage” is mentioned by Chuck. 28:25 – Panel. 29:02 – FreshBooks! 30:10 – Guest talks about Wallaby.js. 32:24 – Panel: We’ve had you on before, and the idea is that you are all into Elixir and its path. (EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes) 32:57 – Guest: I think testing in Elixir is simpler. 34:04 – Panel. 34:07 – Guest: You have commands and you have queries. The guest gives a hypothetical example! The guest also mentions GenServers, too. 35:42 – Guest: There are two ways that you can interact with the process: command & queries. 37:00 – Guest talks about different libraries such as: MoX. 37:41 – Panel: Any tips on testing the servers; just any GenServer? 38:25 – Panelist shares his approach with this. 39:54 – Guest: I don’t test name servers b/c they are by definition global state. The guest goes into great detail about testing – check it out! 46:29 – Panel. 47:01 – Guest: I kind of hate the term dependency interjection in the functional context. 47:17 – Panel: I think it’s helpful, because... 47:28 – Guest. 47:49 – Panelists go back-and-forth! 48:20 – Panel: Sending a message to the testing process – this was something that was stated by Devon earlier. I find this really helpful. 49:00 – Chuck: Picks! 49:05 – Ad: Lootcrate.com END – CacheFly! Links: Ruby Elixir GenServers Elm JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Wallaby Cypress.io Mutation Testing – GitHub MoX MRS 003 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 295 – Episode with Devon Estes RR 330 – Episode with Devon Estes EMx 018 – Episode with Devon Estes Devon’s GitHub Devon’s Twitter Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books CacheFly Picks: Mark Get Alias Blog - Mox Josh GitPitch.com Slide Deck by Josh Charles Values Extreme Ownership Sit down with your team Discord server for DevChat Recommendation Page for Elixir Devon Dell Laptop XPS 13 Play Station Mini Test - devonestes@gmail.com
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Gil Tayar In this episode, the panel talks with Gil Tayar who is currently residing in Tel Aviv and is a software engineer. He is currently the Senior Architect at Applitools in Israel. The panel and the guest talk about the different types of tests and when/how one is to use a certain test in a particular situation. They also mention Node, React, Selenium, Puppeteer, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:35 – Chuck: Our panel is AJ, Aimee, myself – and our special guest is Gil Tayar. Tell us why you are famous! 1:13 – Gil talks about where he resides and his background. 2:27 – Chuck: What is the landscape like now with testing and testing tools now? 2:39 – Guest: There is a huge renaissance with the JavaScript community. Testing has moved forward in the frontend and backend. Today we have lots of testing tools. We can do frontend testing that wasn’t possible 5 years ago. The major change was React. The guest talks about Node, React, tools, and more! 4:17 – Aimee: I advocate for tests and testing. There is a grey area though...how do you treat that? If you have to get something into production, but it’s not THE thing to get into production, does that fall into product or...what? 5:02 – Guest: We decided to test everything in the beginning. We actually cam through and did that and since then I don’t think I can use the right code without testing. There are a lot of different situations, though, to consider. The guest gives hypothetical situations that people could face. 6:27 – Aimee. 6:32 – Guest: The horror to changing code without tests, I don’t know, I haven’t done that for a while. You write with fear in your heart. Your design is driven by fear, and not what you think is right. In the beginning don’t write those tests, but... 7:22 – Aimee: I totally agree and I could go on and on and on. 7:42 – Panel: I want to do tests when I know they will create value. I don’t want to do it b/c it’s a mundane thing. Secondly, I find that some times I am in a situation where I cannot write the test b/c I would have to know the business logic is correct. I am in this discovery mode of what is the business logic? I am not just building your app. I guess I just need advice in this area, I guess. 8:55 – Guest gives advice to panelist’s question. He mentions how there are two schools of thought. 10:20 – Guest: Don’t mock too much. 10:54 – Panel: Are unit tests the easiest? I just reach for unit testing b/c it helps me code faster. But 90% of my code is NOT that. 11:18 – Guest: Exactly! Most of our test is glue – gluing together a bunch of different stuff! Those are best tested as a medium-sized integration suite. 12:39 – Panel: That seems like a lot of work, though! I loathe the database stuff b/c they don’t map cleanly. I hate this database stuff. 13:06 – Guest: I agree, but don’t knock the database, but knock the level above the database. 13:49 – Guest: Yes, it takes time! Building the script and the testing tools, but when you have it then adding to it is zero time. Once you are in the air it’s smooth sailing. 14:17 – Panel: I guess I can see that. I like to do the dumb-way the first time. I am not clear on the transition. 14:47 – Guest: Write the code, and then write the tests. The guest gives a hypothetical situation on how/when to test in a certain situation. 16:25 – Panel: Can you talk about that more, please? 16:50 – Guest: Don’t have the same unit – do browser and business logic stuff separated. The real business logic stuff needs to be above that level. First principle is separation of concerns. 18:04 – Panel talks about dependency interjection and asks a question. 18:27 – Guest: What I am talking about very, very light inter-dependency interjection. 19:19 – Panel: You have a main function and you are doing requires in the main function. You are passing the pieces of that into the components that need it. 19:44 – Guest: I only do it when it’s necessary; it’s not a religion for me. I do it only for those layers that I know will need to be mocked; like database layers, etc. 20:09 – Panel. 20:19 – Guest: It’s taken me 80 years to figure out, but I have made plenty of mistakes a long the way. A test should run for 2-5 minutes max for package. 20:53 – Panel: What if you have a really messy legacy system? How do you recommend going into that? Do you write tests for things that you think needs to get tested? 21:39 – Guest answers the question and mentions Selenium! 24:27 – Panel: I like that approach. 24:35 – Chuck: When you say integration test what do you mean? 24:44 – Guest: Integration tests aren’t usually talked about. For most people it’s tests that test the database level against the database. For me, the integration tests are taking a set of classes as they are in the application and testing them together w/o the...so they can run in millisecond time. 26:54 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 27:52 – Chuck: How much do the tools matter? 28:01 – Guest: The revolutions matter. Whether you use Jasmine or Mocha or whatever I don’t think it matters. The tests matter not the tools. 28:39 – Aimee: Yes and no. I think some tools are outdated. 28:50 – Guest: I got a lot of flack about my blog where I talk about Cypress versus Selenium. I will never use Jasmine. In the end it’s the 29:29 – Aimee: I am curious would you be willing to expand on what the Selenium folks were saying about Puppeteer and others may not provide? 29:54 – Guest: Cypress was built for frontend developers. They don’t care about cross browser, and they tested in Chrome. Most browsers are typically the same. Selenium was built with the QA mindset – end to end tests that we need to do cross browser. The guest continues with this topic. 30:54 – Aimee mentions Cypress. 31:08 – Guest: My guessing is that their priority is not there. I kind of agree with them. 31:21 – Aimee: I think they are focusing on mobile more. 31:24 – Guest: I think cross browser testing is less of an issue now. There is one area that is important it’s the visual area! It’s important to test visually across these different browsers. 32:32 – Guest: Selenium is a Swiss knife – it can do everything. 33:32 – Chuck: I am thinking about different topics to talk about. I haven’t used Puppeteer. What’s that about? 33:49 – Guest: Puppeteer is much more like Selenium. The reason why it’s great is b/c Puppeteer will always be Google Chrome. 35:42 – Chuck: When should you be running your tests? I like to use some unit tests when I am doing my development but how do you break that down? 36:06 – Guest. 38:30 – Chuck: You run tests against production? 38:45 – Guest: Don’t run tests against production...let me clarify! 39:14 – Chuck. 39:21 – Guest: When I am talking about integration testing in the backend... 40:37 – Chuck asks a question. 40:47 – Guest: I am constantly running between frontend and backend. I didn’t know how to run tests for frontend. I had to invent a new thing and I “invented” the package JS DONG. It’s an implementation of Dong in Node. I found out that I wasn’t the only one and that there were others out there, too. 43:14 – Chuck: Nice! You talked in the prep docs that you urged a new frontend developer to not run the app in the browser for 2 months? 43:25 – Guest: Yeah, I found out that she was running the application...she said she knew how to write tests. I wanted her to see it my way and it probably was a radical train-of-thought, and that was this... 44:40 – Guest: Frontend is so visual. 45:12 – Chuck: What are you working on now? 45:16 – Guest: I am working with Applitools and I was impressed with what they were doing. The guest goes into further detail. 46:08 – Guest: Those screenshots are never the same. 48:36 – Panel: It’s...comparing the output to the static site to the... 48:50 – Guest: Yes, that static site – if you have 30 pages in your app – most of those are the same. We have this trick where we don’t upload it again and again. Uploading the whole static site is usually very quick. The second thing is we don’t wait for the results. We don’t wait for the whole rendering and we continue with the tests. 50:28 – Guest: I am working mostly (right now) in backend. 50:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Picks! 50:57 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! Links: JavaScript React Elixir Node.js Puppeteer Cypress SeleniumHQ Article – Ideas.Ted.Com Book: Never Split the Difference Applitools Guest’s Blog Article about Cypress vs. Selenium Gil’s Twitter Gil’s Medium Gil’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry CacheFly Picks: Aimee How Showing Vulnerability Helps Build a Stronger Team AJ Never Split the Difference Project - TeleBit Charles Monster Hunter International Metabase Gil Cat Zero The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Gil Tayar In this episode, the panel talks with Gil Tayar who is currently residing in Tel Aviv and is a software engineer. He is currently the Senior Architect at Applitools in Israel. The panel and the guest talk about the different types of tests and when/how one is to use a certain test in a particular situation. They also mention Node, React, Selenium, Puppeteer, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:35 – Chuck: Our panel is AJ, Aimee, myself – and our special guest is Gil Tayar. Tell us why you are famous! 1:13 – Gil talks about where he resides and his background. 2:27 – Chuck: What is the landscape like now with testing and testing tools now? 2:39 – Guest: There is a huge renaissance with the JavaScript community. Testing has moved forward in the frontend and backend. Today we have lots of testing tools. We can do frontend testing that wasn’t possible 5 years ago. The major change was React. The guest talks about Node, React, tools, and more! 4:17 – Aimee: I advocate for tests and testing. There is a grey area though...how do you treat that? If you have to get something into production, but it’s not THE thing to get into production, does that fall into product or...what? 5:02 – Guest: We decided to test everything in the beginning. We actually cam through and did that and since then I don’t think I can use the right code without testing. There are a lot of different situations, though, to consider. The guest gives hypothetical situations that people could face. 6:27 – Aimee. 6:32 – Guest: The horror to changing code without tests, I don’t know, I haven’t done that for a while. You write with fear in your heart. Your design is driven by fear, and not what you think is right. In the beginning don’t write those tests, but... 7:22 – Aimee: I totally agree and I could go on and on and on. 7:42 – Panel: I want to do tests when I know they will create value. I don’t want to do it b/c it’s a mundane thing. Secondly, I find that some times I am in a situation where I cannot write the test b/c I would have to know the business logic is correct. I am in this discovery mode of what is the business logic? I am not just building your app. I guess I just need advice in this area, I guess. 8:55 – Guest gives advice to panelist’s question. He mentions how there are two schools of thought. 10:20 – Guest: Don’t mock too much. 10:54 – Panel: Are unit tests the easiest? I just reach for unit testing b/c it helps me code faster. But 90% of my code is NOT that. 11:18 – Guest: Exactly! Most of our test is glue – gluing together a bunch of different stuff! Those are best tested as a medium-sized integration suite. 12:39 – Panel: That seems like a lot of work, though! I loathe the database stuff b/c they don’t map cleanly. I hate this database stuff. 13:06 – Guest: I agree, but don’t knock the database, but knock the level above the database. 13:49 – Guest: Yes, it takes time! Building the script and the testing tools, but when you have it then adding to it is zero time. Once you are in the air it’s smooth sailing. 14:17 – Panel: I guess I can see that. I like to do the dumb-way the first time. I am not clear on the transition. 14:47 – Guest: Write the code, and then write the tests. The guest gives a hypothetical situation on how/when to test in a certain situation. 16:25 – Panel: Can you talk about that more, please? 16:50 – Guest: Don’t have the same unit – do browser and business logic stuff separated. The real business logic stuff needs to be above that level. First principle is separation of concerns. 18:04 – Panel talks about dependency interjection and asks a question. 18:27 – Guest: What I am talking about very, very light inter-dependency interjection. 19:19 – Panel: You have a main function and you are doing requires in the main function. You are passing the pieces of that into the components that need it. 19:44 – Guest: I only do it when it’s necessary; it’s not a religion for me. I do it only for those layers that I know will need to be mocked; like database layers, etc. 20:09 – Panel. 20:19 – Guest: It’s taken me 80 years to figure out, but I have made plenty of mistakes a long the way. A test should run for 2-5 minutes max for package. 20:53 – Panel: What if you have a really messy legacy system? How do you recommend going into that? Do you write tests for things that you think needs to get tested? 21:39 – Guest answers the question and mentions Selenium! 24:27 – Panel: I like that approach. 24:35 – Chuck: When you say integration test what do you mean? 24:44 – Guest: Integration tests aren’t usually talked about. For most people it’s tests that test the database level against the database. For me, the integration tests are taking a set of classes as they are in the application and testing them together w/o the...so they can run in millisecond time. 26:54 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 27:52 – Chuck: How much do the tools matter? 28:01 – Guest: The revolutions matter. Whether you use Jasmine or Mocha or whatever I don’t think it matters. The tests matter not the tools. 28:39 – Aimee: Yes and no. I think some tools are outdated. 28:50 – Guest: I got a lot of flack about my blog where I talk about Cypress versus Selenium. I will never use Jasmine. In the end it’s the 29:29 – Aimee: I am curious would you be willing to expand on what the Selenium folks were saying about Puppeteer and others may not provide? 29:54 – Guest: Cypress was built for frontend developers. They don’t care about cross browser, and they tested in Chrome. Most browsers are typically the same. Selenium was built with the QA mindset – end to end tests that we need to do cross browser. The guest continues with this topic. 30:54 – Aimee mentions Cypress. 31:08 – Guest: My guessing is that their priority is not there. I kind of agree with them. 31:21 – Aimee: I think they are focusing on mobile more. 31:24 – Guest: I think cross browser testing is less of an issue now. There is one area that is important it’s the visual area! It’s important to test visually across these different browsers. 32:32 – Guest: Selenium is a Swiss knife – it can do everything. 33:32 – Chuck: I am thinking about different topics to talk about. I haven’t used Puppeteer. What’s that about? 33:49 – Guest: Puppeteer is much more like Selenium. The reason why it’s great is b/c Puppeteer will always be Google Chrome. 35:42 – Chuck: When should you be running your tests? I like to use some unit tests when I am doing my development but how do you break that down? 36:06 – Guest. 38:30 – Chuck: You run tests against production? 38:45 – Guest: Don’t run tests against production...let me clarify! 39:14 – Chuck. 39:21 – Guest: When I am talking about integration testing in the backend... 40:37 – Chuck asks a question. 40:47 – Guest: I am constantly running between frontend and backend. I didn’t know how to run tests for frontend. I had to invent a new thing and I “invented” the package JS DONG. It’s an implementation of Dong in Node. I found out that I wasn’t the only one and that there were others out there, too. 43:14 – Chuck: Nice! You talked in the prep docs that you urged a new frontend developer to not run the app in the browser for 2 months? 43:25 – Guest: Yeah, I found out that she was running the application...she said she knew how to write tests. I wanted her to see it my way and it probably was a radical train-of-thought, and that was this... 44:40 – Guest: Frontend is so visual. 45:12 – Chuck: What are you working on now? 45:16 – Guest: I am working with Applitools and I was impressed with what they were doing. The guest goes into further detail. 46:08 – Guest: Those screenshots are never the same. 48:36 – Panel: It’s...comparing the output to the static site to the... 48:50 – Guest: Yes, that static site – if you have 30 pages in your app – most of those are the same. We have this trick where we don’t upload it again and again. Uploading the whole static site is usually very quick. The second thing is we don’t wait for the results. We don’t wait for the whole rendering and we continue with the tests. 50:28 – Guest: I am working mostly (right now) in backend. 50:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Picks! 50:57 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! Links: JavaScript React Elixir Node.js Puppeteer Cypress SeleniumHQ Article – Ideas.Ted.Com Book: Never Split the Difference Applitools Guest’s Blog Article about Cypress vs. Selenium Gil’s Twitter Gil’s Medium Gil’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry CacheFly Picks: Aimee How Showing Vulnerability Helps Build a Stronger Team AJ Never Split the Difference Project - TeleBit Charles Monster Hunter International Metabase Gil Cat Zero The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Gil Tayar In this episode, the panel talks with Gil Tayar who is currently residing in Tel Aviv and is a software engineer. He is currently the Senior Architect at Applitools in Israel. The panel and the guest talk about the different types of tests and when/how one is to use a certain test in a particular situation. They also mention Node, React, Selenium, Puppeteer, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 0:35 – Chuck: Our panel is AJ, Aimee, myself – and our special guest is Gil Tayar. Tell us why you are famous! 1:13 – Gil talks about where he resides and his background. 2:27 – Chuck: What is the landscape like now with testing and testing tools now? 2:39 – Guest: There is a huge renaissance with the JavaScript community. Testing has moved forward in the frontend and backend. Today we have lots of testing tools. We can do frontend testing that wasn’t possible 5 years ago. The major change was React. The guest talks about Node, React, tools, and more! 4:17 – Aimee: I advocate for tests and testing. There is a grey area though...how do you treat that? If you have to get something into production, but it’s not THE thing to get into production, does that fall into product or...what? 5:02 – Guest: We decided to test everything in the beginning. We actually cam through and did that and since then I don’t think I can use the right code without testing. There are a lot of different situations, though, to consider. The guest gives hypothetical situations that people could face. 6:27 – Aimee. 6:32 – Guest: The horror to changing code without tests, I don’t know, I haven’t done that for a while. You write with fear in your heart. Your design is driven by fear, and not what you think is right. In the beginning don’t write those tests, but... 7:22 – Aimee: I totally agree and I could go on and on and on. 7:42 – Panel: I want to do tests when I know they will create value. I don’t want to do it b/c it’s a mundane thing. Secondly, I find that some times I am in a situation where I cannot write the test b/c I would have to know the business logic is correct. I am in this discovery mode of what is the business logic? I am not just building your app. I guess I just need advice in this area, I guess. 8:55 – Guest gives advice to panelist’s question. He mentions how there are two schools of thought. 10:20 – Guest: Don’t mock too much. 10:54 – Panel: Are unit tests the easiest? I just reach for unit testing b/c it helps me code faster. But 90% of my code is NOT that. 11:18 – Guest: Exactly! Most of our test is glue – gluing together a bunch of different stuff! Those are best tested as a medium-sized integration suite. 12:39 – Panel: That seems like a lot of work, though! I loathe the database stuff b/c they don’t map cleanly. I hate this database stuff. 13:06 – Guest: I agree, but don’t knock the database, but knock the level above the database. 13:49 – Guest: Yes, it takes time! Building the script and the testing tools, but when you have it then adding to it is zero time. Once you are in the air it’s smooth sailing. 14:17 – Panel: I guess I can see that. I like to do the dumb-way the first time. I am not clear on the transition. 14:47 – Guest: Write the code, and then write the tests. The guest gives a hypothetical situation on how/when to test in a certain situation. 16:25 – Panel: Can you talk about that more, please? 16:50 – Guest: Don’t have the same unit – do browser and business logic stuff separated. The real business logic stuff needs to be above that level. First principle is separation of concerns. 18:04 – Panel talks about dependency interjection and asks a question. 18:27 – Guest: What I am talking about very, very light inter-dependency interjection. 19:19 – Panel: You have a main function and you are doing requires in the main function. You are passing the pieces of that into the components that need it. 19:44 – Guest: I only do it when it’s necessary; it’s not a religion for me. I do it only for those layers that I know will need to be mocked; like database layers, etc. 20:09 – Panel. 20:19 – Guest: It’s taken me 80 years to figure out, but I have made plenty of mistakes a long the way. A test should run for 2-5 minutes max for package. 20:53 – Panel: What if you have a really messy legacy system? How do you recommend going into that? Do you write tests for things that you think needs to get tested? 21:39 – Guest answers the question and mentions Selenium! 24:27 – Panel: I like that approach. 24:35 – Chuck: When you say integration test what do you mean? 24:44 – Guest: Integration tests aren’t usually talked about. For most people it’s tests that test the database level against the database. For me, the integration tests are taking a set of classes as they are in the application and testing them together w/o the...so they can run in millisecond time. 26:54 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 27:52 – Chuck: How much do the tools matter? 28:01 – Guest: The revolutions matter. Whether you use Jasmine or Mocha or whatever I don’t think it matters. The tests matter not the tools. 28:39 – Aimee: Yes and no. I think some tools are outdated. 28:50 – Guest: I got a lot of flack about my blog where I talk about Cypress versus Selenium. I will never use Jasmine. In the end it’s the 29:29 – Aimee: I am curious would you be willing to expand on what the Selenium folks were saying about Puppeteer and others may not provide? 29:54 – Guest: Cypress was built for frontend developers. They don’t care about cross browser, and they tested in Chrome. Most browsers are typically the same. Selenium was built with the QA mindset – end to end tests that we need to do cross browser. The guest continues with this topic. 30:54 – Aimee mentions Cypress. 31:08 – Guest: My guessing is that their priority is not there. I kind of agree with them. 31:21 – Aimee: I think they are focusing on mobile more. 31:24 – Guest: I think cross browser testing is less of an issue now. There is one area that is important it’s the visual area! It’s important to test visually across these different browsers. 32:32 – Guest: Selenium is a Swiss knife – it can do everything. 33:32 – Chuck: I am thinking about different topics to talk about. I haven’t used Puppeteer. What’s that about? 33:49 – Guest: Puppeteer is much more like Selenium. The reason why it’s great is b/c Puppeteer will always be Google Chrome. 35:42 – Chuck: When should you be running your tests? I like to use some unit tests when I am doing my development but how do you break that down? 36:06 – Guest. 38:30 – Chuck: You run tests against production? 38:45 – Guest: Don’t run tests against production...let me clarify! 39:14 – Chuck. 39:21 – Guest: When I am talking about integration testing in the backend... 40:37 – Chuck asks a question. 40:47 – Guest: I am constantly running between frontend and backend. I didn’t know how to run tests for frontend. I had to invent a new thing and I “invented” the package JS DONG. It’s an implementation of Dong in Node. I found out that I wasn’t the only one and that there were others out there, too. 43:14 – Chuck: Nice! You talked in the prep docs that you urged a new frontend developer to not run the app in the browser for 2 months? 43:25 – Guest: Yeah, I found out that she was running the application...she said she knew how to write tests. I wanted her to see it my way and it probably was a radical train-of-thought, and that was this... 44:40 – Guest: Frontend is so visual. 45:12 – Chuck: What are you working on now? 45:16 – Guest: I am working with Applitools and I was impressed with what they were doing. The guest goes into further detail. 46:08 – Guest: Those screenshots are never the same. 48:36 – Panel: It’s...comparing the output to the static site to the... 48:50 – Guest: Yes, that static site – if you have 30 pages in your app – most of those are the same. We have this trick where we don’t upload it again and again. Uploading the whole static site is usually very quick. The second thing is we don’t wait for the results. We don’t wait for the whole rendering and we continue with the tests. 50:28 – Guest: I am working mostly (right now) in backend. 50:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Picks! 50:57 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! END – Advertisement: CacheFly! Links: JavaScript React Elixir Node.js Puppeteer Cypress SeleniumHQ Article – Ideas.Ted.Com Book: Never Split the Difference Applitools Guest’s Blog Article about Cypress vs. Selenium Gil’s Twitter Gil’s Medium Gil’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry CacheFly Picks: Aimee How Showing Vulnerability Helps Build a Stronger Team AJ Never Split the Difference Project - TeleBit Charles Monster Hunter International Metabase Gil Cat Zero The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Joe Eames Charles Max Wood Chris Ferdinandi Special Guest: Julian Fahrer In this episode, the panel talks with Julian Fahrer who is an online educator and software engineer in San Francisco, California (USA). The panel and the guest talk about containers, tooling, Docker, Kubernetes, and more. Check out today’s episode! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 1:00 – Chuck: We have today Julian. Julian, please tell us why you are famous? 1:10 – Julian (Guest): I am a software engineer in San Francisco. 1:35 – Chuck: We had you on Elixir Mix before – so here you are! Give us a brief introduction – tell us about the 1:56 – Julian: About 11 hours. You can get it done in about 1 week. It’s a lot to learn. It’s a new paradigm, and I think that’s why people like it. 2:22 – Aimee: How did you dive into Docker? I feel that is like backend space? 2:35 – Julian: I am a full stack engineer and I have been in backend, too. 3:10 – Aimee: I know that someone has been in-charge of our Dev Ops process until the first job I’ve had. When there is a problem in the deployment, I want to unblock myself and not wait for someone else. I think it’s a valuable topic. Why Docker over the other options? 3:58 – Julian: Let’s talk about what Docker is first? 4:12 – Chuck. 4:23 – Julian: Containers are a technology for us to run applications in isolation from each other. Julian talks in-detail about what contains are, what they do, he gives examples, and more. Check it out here! 5:27 – Chuck: Makes sense to me. I think it’s interesting that you are talking about the dependencies. Because of the way the Docker works it’s consistent across all of your applications. 5:59 – Julian. Yes, exactly. Julian talks about containers some more! 6:56 – Chuck asks a question about the container, Docker, and others. 7:03 – Guest: You don’t have to worry about your company’s running operating system, and what you want to use – basically everything runs in the container... 7:30 – Chuck: This short-circuits a lot of it. 7:46 – Guest. 8:00 – Chuck: People will use Docker if your employer mandates it. Is there a learning curve and how do you adapt it within the person’s company? 8:25 – Guest. 8:52 – Aimee: We are using it, too. 8:57 – Guest: Awesome! 9:03 – Aimee: The only downfall is that if you have people who are NOT familiar with it – then it’s a black box for us. We can’t troubleshoot it ourselves. I want to be able to unblock from our end w/o having to go to someone else. That’s my only issue I’ve been having. 10:03 – Guest: I want to see that tooling to be honest. 10:12 – Aimee: Can you talk about how Civil and Docker work together? 10:19 – Guest: Yes! Julian answers the question. 10:56 – Chuck: How much work it is to get a Docker file to get up and running? How much work would it take? 11:18 – Guest: For the development side in about an hour or two – this is if you understand it already. Putting it into production that’s a different story b/c there is a million different ways to do it. It’s hard to put a time on that. 12:24 – Chuck: Let’s assume they have the basic knowledge (they get how server setup takes place) is this something you could figure out in a day or so? 12:47 – Guest: If you have touched Docker then you can do it in a day; if never then not really. 13:02 – Guest: There might be some stones you will fall over. 13:39 – Panel: The part of the learning curve would be... 13:52 – Guest: The idea behind the container is that the container should be disposable. You could throw it away and then start a new one and it’s fresh and clean. Guest continues with his answer. 15:20 – Chuck: I have seen people do this with their database engine. If you need to upgrade your database then they grab their container... 15:55 – Guest: You don’t have to worry about setting it up - its provided in the container and... 16:09 – Chuck asks a question. 16:17 – Guest: For production, I would go with a hosted database like RJS, Azure, or other options. Guest continues. 17:13 – Chuck. 17:20 – Guest: If it dies then you need to... 17:30 – Chuck: We talked about an idea of these containers being something you can hand around in your development team. Chuck asks a question. 17:50 – Guest answers the question. He talks about tooling, containers, web frontend, and more. 18:48 – Guest asks Aimee a question: Are you using Compost? 18:50 – Aimee: I don’t know b/c that is a black box for us. I don’t know much about our Docker setup. 19:00 – Guest to Aimee: Can I ask you some questions? 19:14 – Guest is giving Aimee some hypothetical situations and asks what their process is like. 19:32 – Aimee answers the question. 20:11 – Guest: You have customizing tooling to be able to do x, y, and z. 20:25 – Aimee: They have hit a wall, but it’s frustrating. Our frontend and our backend are different. We are getting 500’s and it’s a black box for us. It’s the way that ops have it setup. I hate having to go to them for them to unblock us. 21:07 – Chuck: I have been hearing about Kubernetes. When will you start to see that it pays off to use it? 21:20 – Guest answers the question. 22:17 – If I have a simple app on a few different machines and front end and job servers I may not need Kubernetes. But if I have a lot of things that it depends on then I will need it? 22:35 – Guest: Yes. 22:40 – Chuck: What are the steps to using it? 22:45 – Guest: Step #1 you install it. The guest goes through the different steps to use Docker. 25:23 – Aimee: It makes sense that your UI and your database don’t live in the same container, but what about your API and your database should that be separate? 25:40 – Guest: Yes they should be separate. 26:09 – Chuck: What has your experience been with Docker – AJ or Chris? 26:17 – Panel: I have used a little bit at work and so far it’s been a black box for me. I like the IDEA of it, but I probably need to take Julian’s course to learn more about it! (Aimee agrees!) One thing I would love (from your perspective, Julian) – if I wanted to get started with this (and say I have not worked with containers before) where would I start? 28:22 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 29:20 – Guest: Good question. You don’t have to be an expert (to use Docker), but you have to be comfortable with the command line, though. 30:17 – Panel: Is there a dummy practice within your course? 30:27 – Julian: We run our own web server and... 30:44 – Panel: I need to check out your course! 31:04 – Guest: It is some time investment, but it’s saved me so much time already so it makes it really worth it. 31:38 – Panel: You are a version behind on Ruby. 31:46 – Guest: ...I just want to make code and not worry about that. 32:04 – Chuck: Updating your server – you would update Ruby and reinstall your gems and hope that they were all up-to-date. Now you don’t have to do it that way anymore. 32:37 – Guest: You know it will behave the same way. 32:48 – Guest: I have some experience with Docker. I understand its value. I guess I will share my frustrations. Not in Docker itself, but the fact that there is a need for Docker... 35:06 – Chuck. 35:12 – Panel: We need someone to come up with... 35:40 – Panel: It’s not standard JavaScript. 35:51 – Chuck: One question: How do you setup multiple stages of Docker? 36:12 – Guest: The recommended way is to have the same Docker file used in the development sate and through to production. So that way it’s the same image. 37:00 – Panel: ...you must do your entire configuration via the environmental variables. 37:29 – Chuck asks a question. 37:36 – Panel: If you are using Heroku or Circle CI...there is a page... 38:11 – Guest and Chuck go back-and-forth. 39:17 – Chuck: Gottcha. 39:18 – Guest. 39:52 – Chuck: I have seen systems that have hyberized things like using Chef Solo and... You do your basic setup then use Chef Solo – that doesn’t’ make sense to me. Have you seen people use this setup before? 40:20 – Guest: I guess I wouldn’t do it. 40:30 – Chuck. 40:36 – Guest: Only reason I would do that is that it works across many different platforms. If it makes your setup easier then go for it. 41:14 – Chuck: Docker Hub – I want to mention that. How robust is that? Can you put private images up there? 41:38 – Guest: You can go TOTALLY nuts with it. You could have private and public images. Also, your own version. Under the hood it’s called container registry. Yeah, you can change images, too. 42:22 – Chuck: Should I use container registry or a CI system to build the Docker system and use it somewhere else? 42:35 – Guest. 43:24 – Chuck: Where can people find your Docker course? 43:30 – Guest: LEARN DOCKER ONLINE! We are restructuring the prices. Make sure to check it out. 44:05 – Chuck: Picks! Where can people find you online? 44:14 – Guest: Twitter! eBook – Rails and Docker! Code Tails IO! 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Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Joe Eames Charles Max Wood Chris Ferdinandi Special Guest: Julian Fahrer In this episode, the panel talks with Julian Fahrer who is an online educator and software engineer in San Francisco, California (USA). The panel and the guest talk about containers, tooling, Docker, Kubernetes, and more. Check out today’s episode! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 1:00 – Chuck: We have today Julian. Julian, please tell us why you are famous? 1:10 – Julian (Guest): I am a software engineer in San Francisco. 1:35 – Chuck: We had you on Elixir Mix before – so here you are! Give us a brief introduction – tell us about the 1:56 – Julian: About 11 hours. You can get it done in about 1 week. It’s a lot to learn. It’s a new paradigm, and I think that’s why people like it. 2:22 – Aimee: How did you dive into Docker? I feel that is like backend space? 2:35 – Julian: I am a full stack engineer and I have been in backend, too. 3:10 – Aimee: I know that someone has been in-charge of our Dev Ops process until the first job I’ve had. When there is a problem in the deployment, I want to unblock myself and not wait for someone else. I think it’s a valuable topic. Why Docker over the other options? 3:58 – Julian: Let’s talk about what Docker is first? 4:12 – Chuck. 4:23 – Julian: Containers are a technology for us to run applications in isolation from each other. Julian talks in-detail about what contains are, what they do, he gives examples, and more. Check it out here! 5:27 – Chuck: Makes sense to me. I think it’s interesting that you are talking about the dependencies. Because of the way the Docker works it’s consistent across all of your applications. 5:59 – Julian. Yes, exactly. Julian talks about containers some more! 6:56 – Chuck asks a question about the container, Docker, and others. 7:03 – Guest: You don’t have to worry about your company’s running operating system, and what you want to use – basically everything runs in the container... 7:30 – Chuck: This short-circuits a lot of it. 7:46 – Guest. 8:00 – Chuck: People will use Docker if your employer mandates it. Is there a learning curve and how do you adapt it within the person’s company? 8:25 – Guest. 8:52 – Aimee: We are using it, too. 8:57 – Guest: Awesome! 9:03 – Aimee: The only downfall is that if you have people who are NOT familiar with it – then it’s a black box for us. We can’t troubleshoot it ourselves. I want to be able to unblock from our end w/o having to go to someone else. That’s my only issue I’ve been having. 10:03 – Guest: I want to see that tooling to be honest. 10:12 – Aimee: Can you talk about how Civil and Docker work together? 10:19 – Guest: Yes! Julian answers the question. 10:56 – Chuck: How much work it is to get a Docker file to get up and running? How much work would it take? 11:18 – Guest: For the development side in about an hour or two – this is if you understand it already. Putting it into production that’s a different story b/c there is a million different ways to do it. It’s hard to put a time on that. 12:24 – Chuck: Let’s assume they have the basic knowledge (they get how server setup takes place) is this something you could figure out in a day or so? 12:47 – Guest: If you have touched Docker then you can do it in a day; if never then not really. 13:02 – Guest: There might be some stones you will fall over. 13:39 – Panel: The part of the learning curve would be... 13:52 – Guest: The idea behind the container is that the container should be disposable. You could throw it away and then start a new one and it’s fresh and clean. Guest continues with his answer. 15:20 – Chuck: I have seen people do this with their database engine. If you need to upgrade your database then they grab their container... 15:55 – Guest: You don’t have to worry about setting it up - its provided in the container and... 16:09 – Chuck asks a question. 16:17 – Guest: For production, I would go with a hosted database like RJS, Azure, or other options. Guest continues. 17:13 – Chuck. 17:20 – Guest: If it dies then you need to... 17:30 – Chuck: We talked about an idea of these containers being something you can hand around in your development team. Chuck asks a question. 17:50 – Guest answers the question. He talks about tooling, containers, web frontend, and more. 18:48 – Guest asks Aimee a question: Are you using Compost? 18:50 – Aimee: I don’t know b/c that is a black box for us. I don’t know much about our Docker setup. 19:00 – Guest to Aimee: Can I ask you some questions? 19:14 – Guest is giving Aimee some hypothetical situations and asks what their process is like. 19:32 – Aimee answers the question. 20:11 – Guest: You have customizing tooling to be able to do x, y, and z. 20:25 – Aimee: They have hit a wall, but it’s frustrating. Our frontend and our backend are different. We are getting 500’s and it’s a black box for us. It’s the way that ops have it setup. I hate having to go to them for them to unblock us. 21:07 – Chuck: I have been hearing about Kubernetes. When will you start to see that it pays off to use it? 21:20 – Guest answers the question. 22:17 – If I have a simple app on a few different machines and front end and job servers I may not need Kubernetes. But if I have a lot of things that it depends on then I will need it? 22:35 – Guest: Yes. 22:40 – Chuck: What are the steps to using it? 22:45 – Guest: Step #1 you install it. The guest goes through the different steps to use Docker. 25:23 – Aimee: It makes sense that your UI and your database don’t live in the same container, but what about your API and your database should that be separate? 25:40 – Guest: Yes they should be separate. 26:09 – Chuck: What has your experience been with Docker – AJ or Chris? 26:17 – Panel: I have used a little bit at work and so far it’s been a black box for me. I like the IDEA of it, but I probably need to take Julian’s course to learn more about it! (Aimee agrees!) One thing I would love (from your perspective, Julian) – if I wanted to get started with this (and say I have not worked with containers before) where would I start? 28:22 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 29:20 – Guest: Good question. You don’t have to be an expert (to use Docker), but you have to be comfortable with the command line, though. 30:17 – Panel: Is there a dummy practice within your course? 30:27 – Julian: We run our own web server and... 30:44 – Panel: I need to check out your course! 31:04 – Guest: It is some time investment, but it’s saved me so much time already so it makes it really worth it. 31:38 – Panel: You are a version behind on Ruby. 31:46 – Guest: ...I just want to make code and not worry about that. 32:04 – Chuck: Updating your server – you would update Ruby and reinstall your gems and hope that they were all up-to-date. Now you don’t have to do it that way anymore. 32:37 – Guest: You know it will behave the same way. 32:48 – Guest: I have some experience with Docker. I understand its value. I guess I will share my frustrations. Not in Docker itself, but the fact that there is a need for Docker... 35:06 – Chuck. 35:12 – Panel: We need someone to come up with... 35:40 – Panel: It’s not standard JavaScript. 35:51 – Chuck: One question: How do you setup multiple stages of Docker? 36:12 – Guest: The recommended way is to have the same Docker file used in the development sate and through to production. So that way it’s the same image. 37:00 – Panel: ...you must do your entire configuration via the environmental variables. 37:29 – Chuck asks a question. 37:36 – Panel: If you are using Heroku or Circle CI...there is a page... 38:11 – Guest and Chuck go back-and-forth. 39:17 – Chuck: Gottcha. 39:18 – Guest. 39:52 – Chuck: I have seen systems that have hyberized things like using Chef Solo and... You do your basic setup then use Chef Solo – that doesn’t’ make sense to me. Have you seen people use this setup before? 40:20 – Guest: I guess I wouldn’t do it. 40:30 – Chuck. 40:36 – Guest: Only reason I would do that is that it works across many different platforms. If it makes your setup easier then go for it. 41:14 – Chuck: Docker Hub – I want to mention that. How robust is that? Can you put private images up there? 41:38 – Guest: You can go TOTALLY nuts with it. You could have private and public images. Also, your own version. Under the hood it’s called container registry. Yeah, you can change images, too. 42:22 – Chuck: Should I use container registry or a CI system to build the Docker system and use it somewhere else? 42:35 – Guest. 43:24 – Chuck: Where can people find your Docker course? 43:30 – Guest: LEARN DOCKER ONLINE! We are restructuring the prices. Make sure to check it out. 44:05 – Chuck: Picks! Where can people find you online? 44:14 – Guest: Twitter! eBook – Rails and Docker! Code Tails IO! Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue ESLint Node.js Circle CI Twitter – Circle CI Heroku Surge.sh Kubernetes.io Berg Design Rian Rietveld PickleJS Soft Cover.io Ebook – boilerplate EMx 010 Episode with Julian Fahrer Learn Docker Indie Hacker – Julian Fahrer LinkedIn – Julian Fahrer GitHub – Julian Fahrer Twitter – Julian Fahrer Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Picks: AJ Zermatt Resort Heber Area Aimee Surge.sh Chris BergDesign React, WP, and a11y gomakethings.com Joe Docker Videos by Dan Wahlin Rock Climbing/Indoor Rock Climbing Charles Extreme Ownership - Book Playing DND Julian PickleJS Postive Intelligence
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Joe Eames Charles Max Wood Chris Ferdinandi Special Guest: Julian Fahrer In this episode, the panel talks with Julian Fahrer who is an online educator and software engineer in San Francisco, California (USA). The panel and the guest talk about containers, tooling, Docker, Kubernetes, and more. Check out today’s episode! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 1:00 – Chuck: We have today Julian. Julian, please tell us why you are famous? 1:10 – Julian (Guest): I am a software engineer in San Francisco. 1:35 – Chuck: We had you on Elixir Mix before – so here you are! Give us a brief introduction – tell us about the 1:56 – Julian: About 11 hours. You can get it done in about 1 week. It’s a lot to learn. It’s a new paradigm, and I think that’s why people like it. 2:22 – Aimee: How did you dive into Docker? I feel that is like backend space? 2:35 – Julian: I am a full stack engineer and I have been in backend, too. 3:10 – Aimee: I know that someone has been in-charge of our Dev Ops process until the first job I’ve had. When there is a problem in the deployment, I want to unblock myself and not wait for someone else. I think it’s a valuable topic. Why Docker over the other options? 3:58 – Julian: Let’s talk about what Docker is first? 4:12 – Chuck. 4:23 – Julian: Containers are a technology for us to run applications in isolation from each other. Julian talks in-detail about what contains are, what they do, he gives examples, and more. Check it out here! 5:27 – Chuck: Makes sense to me. I think it’s interesting that you are talking about the dependencies. Because of the way the Docker works it’s consistent across all of your applications. 5:59 – Julian. Yes, exactly. Julian talks about containers some more! 6:56 – Chuck asks a question about the container, Docker, and others. 7:03 – Guest: You don’t have to worry about your company’s running operating system, and what you want to use – basically everything runs in the container... 7:30 – Chuck: This short-circuits a lot of it. 7:46 – Guest. 8:00 – Chuck: People will use Docker if your employer mandates it. Is there a learning curve and how do you adapt it within the person’s company? 8:25 – Guest. 8:52 – Aimee: We are using it, too. 8:57 – Guest: Awesome! 9:03 – Aimee: The only downfall is that if you have people who are NOT familiar with it – then it’s a black box for us. We can’t troubleshoot it ourselves. I want to be able to unblock from our end w/o having to go to someone else. That’s my only issue I’ve been having. 10:03 – Guest: I want to see that tooling to be honest. 10:12 – Aimee: Can you talk about how Civil and Docker work together? 10:19 – Guest: Yes! Julian answers the question. 10:56 – Chuck: How much work it is to get a Docker file to get up and running? How much work would it take? 11:18 – Guest: For the development side in about an hour or two – this is if you understand it already. Putting it into production that’s a different story b/c there is a million different ways to do it. It’s hard to put a time on that. 12:24 – Chuck: Let’s assume they have the basic knowledge (they get how server setup takes place) is this something you could figure out in a day or so? 12:47 – Guest: If you have touched Docker then you can do it in a day; if never then not really. 13:02 – Guest: There might be some stones you will fall over. 13:39 – Panel: The part of the learning curve would be... 13:52 – Guest: The idea behind the container is that the container should be disposable. You could throw it away and then start a new one and it’s fresh and clean. Guest continues with his answer. 15:20 – Chuck: I have seen people do this with their database engine. If you need to upgrade your database then they grab their container... 15:55 – Guest: You don’t have to worry about setting it up - its provided in the container and... 16:09 – Chuck asks a question. 16:17 – Guest: For production, I would go with a hosted database like RJS, Azure, or other options. Guest continues. 17:13 – Chuck. 17:20 – Guest: If it dies then you need to... 17:30 – Chuck: We talked about an idea of these containers being something you can hand around in your development team. Chuck asks a question. 17:50 – Guest answers the question. He talks about tooling, containers, web frontend, and more. 18:48 – Guest asks Aimee a question: Are you using Compost? 18:50 – Aimee: I don’t know b/c that is a black box for us. I don’t know much about our Docker setup. 19:00 – Guest to Aimee: Can I ask you some questions? 19:14 – Guest is giving Aimee some hypothetical situations and asks what their process is like. 19:32 – Aimee answers the question. 20:11 – Guest: You have customizing tooling to be able to do x, y, and z. 20:25 – Aimee: They have hit a wall, but it’s frustrating. Our frontend and our backend are different. We are getting 500’s and it’s a black box for us. It’s the way that ops have it setup. I hate having to go to them for them to unblock us. 21:07 – Chuck: I have been hearing about Kubernetes. When will you start to see that it pays off to use it? 21:20 – Guest answers the question. 22:17 – If I have a simple app on a few different machines and front end and job servers I may not need Kubernetes. But if I have a lot of things that it depends on then I will need it? 22:35 – Guest: Yes. 22:40 – Chuck: What are the steps to using it? 22:45 – Guest: Step #1 you install it. The guest goes through the different steps to use Docker. 25:23 – Aimee: It makes sense that your UI and your database don’t live in the same container, but what about your API and your database should that be separate? 25:40 – Guest: Yes they should be separate. 26:09 – Chuck: What has your experience been with Docker – AJ or Chris? 26:17 – Panel: I have used a little bit at work and so far it’s been a black box for me. I like the IDEA of it, but I probably need to take Julian’s course to learn more about it! (Aimee agrees!) One thing I would love (from your perspective, Julian) – if I wanted to get started with this (and say I have not worked with containers before) where would I start? 28:22 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 29:20 – Guest: Good question. You don’t have to be an expert (to use Docker), but you have to be comfortable with the command line, though. 30:17 – Panel: Is there a dummy practice within your course? 30:27 – Julian: We run our own web server and... 30:44 – Panel: I need to check out your course! 31:04 – Guest: It is some time investment, but it’s saved me so much time already so it makes it really worth it. 31:38 – Panel: You are a version behind on Ruby. 31:46 – Guest: ...I just want to make code and not worry about that. 32:04 – Chuck: Updating your server – you would update Ruby and reinstall your gems and hope that they were all up-to-date. Now you don’t have to do it that way anymore. 32:37 – Guest: You know it will behave the same way. 32:48 – Guest: I have some experience with Docker. I understand its value. I guess I will share my frustrations. Not in Docker itself, but the fact that there is a need for Docker... 35:06 – Chuck. 35:12 – Panel: We need someone to come up with... 35:40 – Panel: It’s not standard JavaScript. 35:51 – Chuck: One question: How do you setup multiple stages of Docker? 36:12 – Guest: The recommended way is to have the same Docker file used in the development sate and through to production. So that way it’s the same image. 37:00 – Panel: ...you must do your entire configuration via the environmental variables. 37:29 – Chuck asks a question. 37:36 – Panel: If you are using Heroku or Circle CI...there is a page... 38:11 – Guest and Chuck go back-and-forth. 39:17 – Chuck: Gottcha. 39:18 – Guest. 39:52 – Chuck: I have seen systems that have hyberized things like using Chef Solo and... You do your basic setup then use Chef Solo – that doesn’t’ make sense to me. Have you seen people use this setup before? 40:20 – Guest: I guess I wouldn’t do it. 40:30 – Chuck. 40:36 – Guest: Only reason I would do that is that it works across many different platforms. If it makes your setup easier then go for it. 41:14 – Chuck: Docker Hub – I want to mention that. How robust is that? Can you put private images up there? 41:38 – Guest: You can go TOTALLY nuts with it. You could have private and public images. Also, your own version. Under the hood it’s called container registry. Yeah, you can change images, too. 42:22 – Chuck: Should I use container registry or a CI system to build the Docker system and use it somewhere else? 42:35 – Guest. 43:24 – Chuck: Where can people find your Docker course? 43:30 – Guest: LEARN DOCKER ONLINE! We are restructuring the prices. Make sure to check it out. 44:05 – Chuck: Picks! Where can people find you online? 44:14 – Guest: Twitter! eBook – Rails and Docker! Code Tails IO! Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue ESLint Node.js Circle CI Twitter – Circle CI Heroku Surge.sh Kubernetes.io Berg Design Rian Rietveld PickleJS Soft Cover.io Ebook – boilerplate EMx 010 Episode with Julian Fahrer Learn Docker Indie Hacker – Julian Fahrer LinkedIn – Julian Fahrer GitHub – Julian Fahrer Twitter – Julian Fahrer Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Picks: AJ Zermatt Resort Heber Area Aimee Surge.sh Chris BergDesign React, WP, and a11y gomakethings.com Joe Docker Videos by Dan Wahlin Rock Climbing/Indoor Rock Climbing Charles Extreme Ownership - Book Playing DND Julian PickleJS Postive Intelligence
Panel: Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Nate Hopkins Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Eric Oestrich In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Eric Oestrich who is a web developer who resides in Indianapolis, Indiana. He and the panel talk about ExVenture, Gossip, Cowboy, Raisin, Grapevine, and much more! Listen to today’s episode to hear all about it! Finally, check out Eric’s ElixirConf talk and his blog, too! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:51 – Charles introduces the panel. 1:14 – Nate talks about his background. 1:27 – Chuck: My first programming job I worked with Nate. Nate also works now with Eric Berry. We have a special guest and that is Eric Oestrich. Tell us who you are, please! 1:55 – Eric: I work for Smart Logic, LLC. We are a consultancy who has moved to Elixir for the last 2 years. 2:14 – Chuck: Tell us what ExVenture is? 2:46 – Eric: Late 80’s to mid-90’s it’s like a MUD tech space game. Eric goes into detail of what ExVenture is. 3:28 – Panel: Familiar with MUDS. 3:36 – Panel: Audience can’t tell that Eric isn’t an old guy. Eric – you aren’t an old gentleman – how did you get into it?! 4:02 – Eric: The concept has fascinated me. It’s pure game mechanics. In school I wrote things in Python and try to make it threaded. Never got it going. After that I wanted to do a MUD but not good enough in C and couldn’t get it working in Ruby neither. But one faithful day (a year ago) I got an echo and chat server and now we have a MUD. 5:02 – Panel: Why should you be interested? I will tell you why. ExVenture is an open source... I encourage everyone to dig into and play with it! It is a game (so that makes it more fun) but you are dealing with game mechanics. I am also curious where you wanted this to go? What made you say: I want to create this and make it open source? 6:37 – Eric: I like it and work has mostly played for it. It’s MIT because of that. Early in the project (between client work) it was a common thread and that’s why it’s open source. 7:27 – Panel: I ran into you at the conference and you were showing me... Talk about getting metrics out of your system, please? 8:20 – Eric answers the question. 9:09 – Panel: When people are trying to get metrics out of their system – what EVEN makes a good metric? 9:21- Eric: I am trying to figure that out myself, actually. I want to know how long it takes for someone to login? Is that someone trying to hack into my system? If you speak at a global channel or something else... Eric goes into more detail. Eric also mentions Prometheus. 10:31 – Panel: You mentioned: What would you want to see on a dashboard? 11:01 – Eric answers the question and mentions Prometheus EX. 12:19 – Panel: As you starting building this you were pulling libraries out of it and making them separate libraries. Are you pretty proud of GOSSIP? 12:37 – Eric: Yes! Gossip is based on web sockets and it’s a cowboy socket. Eric talks about Gossip. 13:10 – Panel: What other clients are you trying to support? 13:15 – Eric: There is a JavaScript client and Node-based game called... There is a bundle system for that. There is also a Python option. The one thing we haven’t done yet is a C client. That is important b/c most of the games that you could connect to are 25-30 years old. 14:26 – Panel asks a question. 14:34 – Eric: That is the C client we are waiting for. 14:43 – Panel: You talked at the conference (see the show notes) you talked about things you learned along the way. Can you talk about your process? What kind of bottlenecks and how did you resolve those issues? 15:10 – Eric answers the question. 16:44 – Panel: Did you run out of processes? 16:47 – Eric: The VM shut-off – it was just done. That was the first go-around. 19:27 – Eric: After the ElixirConf, I wanted to see how far I could push it. Eric continues. 19:51 – Panel: I want to identify some of these principles you just talked about. First, the major block was the gen server is a single process. 20:21 – Panel. 20:24 – Panel: I think that is a common mistake when people come to Elixir in the beginning stages. How did you solve it? 20:50 – Panelist answers the above question. 21:30 – Panel: That’s one of the big things. It’s an architectural issue. Second, you mentioned really LARGE messages. You were sending around really large messages. 22:20 – Eric: For every 100 players was a gigabyte of ram – it was a lot. And that was mostly b/c every copy...when a new character enters the room then that message gets sent out then it gets copied again, and... 23:08 – Panel. 23:24 – Panel: The third one you mentioned was around data base blocking or...? Can you talk about this one a little more, please? 23:33 – Eric answers the question. 24:02 – Panel. 24:30 – Eric: It was always saving...I tricked Echo into saving...There is a lot of things that could be better to save specifically faster. 24:52 – Panel: I think people would hit those 3 points eventually – there is a lot of value to that. 25:09 –Eric: Yes that was near the end of my ElixirConf talk and my blog. 25:23 – Panel. 25:33 – Eric: It came out in May and I figured out that I needed to learn how to cluster in Elixir. That’s what the ElixirConf was a bout from single node to multiple nodes. Eric continues. 28:38 – Panel: When you have a cluster – and I join – when I transfer from one room to another room, I could be passed off to another server or node? 29:01 – Eric: Whatever you mean by “being passed off.” Whatever server you land on that’s the one you will be on. The magic is that... 30:08 – Advertisement: Fresh Books! 31:15 – Panel: I am going through the code base now and I am excited. It’s going to help me get better at Elixir. 31:32 – Eric: That’s the point of ExVenture. 31:48 – Panel: You host a server so people can see what it’s about – and that’s Mid Mud, right? 32:09 – Eric: Yep, the first hour of you playing. There is a town crier, you request, and then combat monsters. Also, it is plugged into Gossip and you can talk to them. 32:44 – Eric: Yep, there you go: player logged-in! 32:55 – Panel: Maybe not b/c it will turn into a new podcast soon. 33:07 – Panel: What if I want to use Gossip, what is involved there? 33:16 – Eric: Gossip.Haus/docs – Go there! Set it up and start sending and receiving events. 34:40 – Panel: When I was trying to understand the Prometheus metrics it helped. And then in downloading it (as a tip), for me, it was easy to use the DOCKER instructions. 35:32 – Eric: Yep, that was done by a community member. 35:40 – Panel: Are you looking for people to contribute? 35:50 – Eric: Yep, I have a public Trello board. There are 2 tags. 36:12 – Panel: Sounds like you have people involved? 36:22 – Eric: Bunch of people came on after the ElixirConf. 36:33 – Panel: If people download it (another tip) in the SEEDS file you will find out the admin username and password. I guess that’s something you can add. Login: ADMIN and Password: PASSWORD. What I thought was fun (playing with it) in the admin screen I got a sense that it’s generic enough that I could create a space game. Like playing with sectors of space. Does that make sense? 37:42 – Eric: I don’t want it to be tied JUST to fantasy b/c that’s what MUD is. Everything should be good for historical/ fantasy/ etc. any genre that you want to do! 38:13 – Panel: I could see a HackFest and the company could create one for their business. You could have a lot of fun with it. 38:38 – Panel. 38:44 – Panel: Hidden things on their websites. 38:50 – Eric: Search TEXT ADVENTURE in Google Search. See show notes below. 39:24 – Panel: There is a whole subculture that people are interested in and I didn’t know that these people existed. I think that is interesting. 39:45 – Eric: There are tons of games out there that are 20+ years old! 39:55 – Panel: What is your favorite old school MUD game? 40:02 – Eric lists his favorite old school games! One of them is Achaea! 40:51 – Panel: I like the status bars are really cool. If you haven’t played it you have a health bar. Also you have these expiring times and it’s very cool – modern MUD. 41:22 – Eric. 42:00 – Panel: You came from a Ruby background – what was your transition to Elixir like for you? How did you come to Elixir? What was that like for you? 42:15 – Eric: Yeah some of my friends were into Elixir from a functional standpoint about 2 years ago. They were reading about Phoenix and such. They wanted to see how it was going to go. 43:06 – Panel: Try by fire. Coming from Ruby to Elixir – what some advice would you give the same person? 43:37 – Eric: It was less of a culture shock b/c Phoenix was still kind of “Railsy.” 44:35 – Panel: When I was first learning ERLANG, and telling them that it was a standard library. 44:59 – Eric: It’s using Cowboys Ranch. 45:19 – Eric: There are a number of people out there that they want people to run to SSH b/c it’s more secure. 45:46 – Eric: I guess if we are on this topic about secure... 46:40 – Chuck. 46:51 – Panel: I think there is a lot of value, Eric, and the lessons you’ve learned and the path you’ve gone down. If you are new to Elixir going to ExVenture is a great way to start. 47:20 – Eric. 47:35 – Panel: Just run the format and we can do it that way. I encourage people to download it and see what it’s like as a user, and play with it as an admin. We have a Meetup coming up this Thursday. Eric is coming in virtually into our Meetup group. 48:29 – Eric: Gossip is open source. Grapevine and Raisin – check these out, too, b/c they are open source, too. 48:58 – Panel: Where can people contact you? 49:05 – Eric: Twitter! GitHub! Mudcoders.com. 49:39 – Picks! 49:44 – Ad: Lootcrate.com Links: Ruby Elixir Elm Atom.io Flutter.io JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Erlang ExVenture Ex_Venture ExVenture’s Trello Board Prometheus Prometheus EX Gossip GitHub: Gossip 2018 – Conference Talk @ Elixir Conf with Eric Oestrich Eric’s Blog Libcluster Raft – GitHub.io – The Raft Consensus Algorithm pg2 MidMUD Gossip/Haus/Docs ExVenture: Docker Environment Google: Text Adventure Achaea Cowboy SSH Grapevine Raisin ASDF Plugins Eric’s GitHub Eric’s Twitter Brooklyn Nine-Nine Elm Packages MetaBase Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Eric MUD Coders Elixir LS Mark ASDF Library Josh Brooklyn Nine-Nine Elm UI Nate Mentoring and Paired Programming Metabase Charles Monster Hunters International
Panel: Dave Kimura Charles (Chuck) Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Dan Mayer In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Bozhidar Batsov who is the VP of Engineering at Toptal, and an Emacs fanatic. The panel and the guest talk about RubCop, Emacs, and Komodo, among other topics! Check out today’s episode for more details. Show Topics: 0:00 – Sentry.IO – Advertisement! 1:07 – Chuck lists the panelists and the special guest. 1:37 – Chuck: Why are you famous? 1:41 – Guest gives his background. 2:13 – Guest: I am passionate about Emacs. 2:55 – Chuck. 2:58 – Panel: I have on a few projects. Do you know RUFO? It’s a bit more opinionated than RuboCop. 3:25 – Guest: I am familiar with RUFO and their approach is similar to JavaScript called Pretty or something like that. 4:45 – Guest: 4:49 – Panel: Can you tell us what RuboCop is and why is it important? 5:00 – Guest: There are a few main things that RuboCop is: 1.) Placement for Ruby minor... 2.) Lint tool 3.) Automatic checker for all the best practices outlined in the community 4.) Formatter for Ruby code – you can feed it ugly code and it will spin out beautiful code 7:30 – Panel: What are the origins of the project? Where you interested in the performance and security aspects of it? 7:49 – Guest. The guest talks about RuboCop in detail. 10:59 – Panel: It’s important to remember that these are just guidelines and they are NOT set in stone. Using single or double quotes. As long as the project is consistent and using decent practices then I am okay with the code. I will disable the...in RuboCop. Today with high-resolution monitors it’s one of those things that are an annoyance to me. It’s just my opinion, though. 12:07 – Guest: Why disable it and not...? 13:36 – Panel: You could use VS code instead of Emacs! I am just kidding. 13:51 – Guest: I hope you are kidding! 13:56 – Chuck: I cannot live without this code... 14:06 – Guest. 14:26 – Panel: I was an early adapter from the beginning and it was hella slow. I tried it from sublime text and I got annoyed so I eventually switched to VS code. Once I got over the brand name, I really like it as my main editor. 15:20 – Panel: Maybe it’s more approachable and it’s easier to dip your toes in. 15:35 – Guest. 16:29 – Panel: I haven’t heard of KOMODO in long time. I remember that was one of the first IDs that I had checked out. I tried that then went to Ruby Mine and then tried Sublime text and then VS. 16:57 – Guest: Komodo was a famous editor. 17:17 – Panel: I am curious on RuboCop that the adaption is driven by teaching idiomatic Ruby to people new to the language? 17:40 – Guest: I don’t think it’s much about the stylistic stuff at this point. I also noticed that the main driver of the group was... Guest goes into great detail about this topic. 22:44 – Guest (continues): RuboCop offers a bunch of different structure. 24:27 – Guest (continues): We are wondering how to approach the issue of performance. The performance aspect tended to be trickier than what we had expected. The majority of developers when given the choice to either secure or make something convenient - they will choose the latter option. 25:47 – Panel: That’s why they get hit with a high AWS bill. 26:00 – Guest. 26:30 – Panel: The things you have learned with RuboCop, is it changing the direction with MRI or the design of the language at all? 26:40 – Guest: I would hope so, but I don’t have hard evidence to prove this. If you give people too many options then it could be a waste of time. I don’t care about the nuances. 30:06 – Ad: RubyMine! 30-day trial! 30:38 – Panel: Would you recommend the Rails style guide if you are building a Rails style project? Should we use that as a baseline and then customize it for your team? 30:55 – Guest: The style guide should be good. For a while I was the only editor. Not a lot of the options that are there aren’t my personal opinion, but it’s the general prescription. If you have strong preferences and you have your team agree on those then it’s okay to be modifying it. At the end of the day it’s better to have consistency within a project. You are doing great! 32:57 – Chuck asks a question. 33:44 – Chuck: Could I modify a rule? 33:53 – Guest: There are varying degrees to the rule. 35:56 – Panel: One of your conference talks you talked about the future of Rails and the future of other Ruby frameworks? 36:18 – Guest: I am worried about the future of Ruby b/c I see people talking about the maturity of the system but there isn’t a clear vision to where we are going. There are some cornerstones for Ruby 3 that he is repeating. 41:05 – Guest (continues): I think we need to commit to the module and the API. 45:42 – Chuck: All of those things make sense to me. Is there any desire for people to fork Ruby or pulling / putting some of this in? 46:00 – Guest. 48:18 – Panel: Transition that to Rails and the future of Rails? 48:27 – Panel: There are big companies that are making changes. 48:51 – Guest. 53:33 – Panel: I think that is a common pattern that most companies move towards. 54:12 – Chuck: We did an episode on ElixirMix with Chris McCord. Check that out! 54:35 – Chuck: Picks! 54:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Rust Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails Angular Komodo Emacs RuboCop RuboCop – GitHub Stimulus reflex Messages: Share Screens Smittybilt Visual Studio Code: Introducing Visual Studio Live Share VRBO Bozhidar’s GitHub Bozhidar’s Twitter Bozhidar’s Patreon Bozhidar’s Open Collective Past EMx Episode 020 with Chris McCord! Sponsors: Sentry RubyMine Cache Fly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Tire Plugs VS Live Share Nate Share Screen using Messages on Mac Charles VRBO Find opportunities for R&R Rocket League Bozhidar Documentation for Markdown users Bear App
Panel: Nader Dabit Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Special Guests: Carly Litchfield In this episode, the panelists talk with Carly Litchfield who is a Full-stack engineer of React and React Native. The panel and Carly talk about frontend and backend developing and the issues that teams could face day-in and day-out. Listen to today’s episode to hear about that and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:30 – Nader: Welcome! Our panel is Justin, Lucas, myself, and our guest is Carly. Welcome to the show! Thanks for joining us. Introduce yourself please. 0:56 – Carly: I am a fullstack engineer at a company called Zocdoc. I have been there for 4 years, and we use C# framework. 1:17 – Nader: C# interesting! 1:26 – Nader: You can do game development and other stuff. 1:33- Carly: I haven’t gotten into game development at all, just using C# for web development. 1:50 – Nader. 1:55 – Carly. 2:08 – Nader: The topic for today is: being a frontend developer and a team that is mostly focused on backend. Also, other topics with testing if we have time. How did you get into web development? 2:32 – Carly goes into detail about how she got into web development. 5:02 – Carly: I have worked with React Native, too. 5:22 – Nader: That is my favorite thing to work with (React Native). 5:27 – Panel: Everyone was learning about this new domain and this frontend domain. How was the knowledge spread? How was it spread throughout the company? 5:50 – Carly: One of the people someone that was on this 3 – person team (Thomas) and he went around to anyone who knew React. He made a lot of tooling. He made a lot of configuration libraries. You’d have your NPM integration like everyone else. It was cool to hook it into our servers. It was crucial to help with adoption. Those libraries aren’t being well maintained and it’s causing some pain. 7:32 – Panel: I remember this one case when I was working with an engineer and he was working on backend stuff. He was like I don’t understand here is JSS and JavaScript. Did you have those cultural differences? 8:27 – Carly: Yeah, definitely. You will see a thousand two-thousand lines that are written by us and it’s impossible to know how it hooks-up, etc. It’s painful to work with and some of the internal tooling nobody is updating. That served a forcing mechanism b/c we built tons of the frontend that it’s so complicated and we are paralyzed. That served us b/c frontend is hard and we just can’t go plopping around wherever we want. That’s how they tried to use Backbone. We never hired a specific frontend engineer. We just kept hiring backend to learn frontend. It’s harder to hire someone to avoid those mistakes. They will have to learn the hard way, where a Senior Developer can help. Even our Backbone apps were heavy and hard to work with. At that time we thought we were going to go to React. We thought we could hire someone with true frontend experience. We started an interview process and hard to get off the ground. We have gotten a lot better b/c we have Senior and Principle engineers to help. 12:12 – Panel: This isn’t easy and this is hard. Building UIs are extremely difficult. 13:06 – Carly: I have an old manager that posted a quote...that just shows how much things are changing. These are advanced strategies. On the backend you have all of these services and go to AWS. However, on the frontend the problems aren’t solved, yet. WE don’t have a perfect answer. A lot of the dynamics are interesting and the right answers are yet to be found. 14:32 – Panel: I think that in some ways, an application we are finding better ways with static websites and blogs through the WordPress model. We are finding practices to enable people to build intricate things. 15:07 – Panel: I used C++ in the beginning of my career. I use a framework called QT. QT is good to building native UIs, but it’s extremely complicated and difficult. And thinking about that from the idea of building not only a UI, but also...we are essentially using tools that aren’t supposed to be used in the way they were designed. 16:46 – Carly: I agree. When I was using style components at the beginning – after you do it for a while it’s not weird anymore. It’s great not to have to reuse things. I hear a lot of people concerned with these separations, but maybe they were 3 separate concerns. Maybe one component is one concern, if you will. 17:59 – Panel: I agree. If you look at the page model vs. the web model...you want a button to look like THAT button. You want them to look the same, it’s a component or an app. Maybe if you have a Wikipedia page where you have headers and sections, the CSS model makes sense on that particular domain, but with application it’s so complicated. I am a fan of cell components, and... Things are getting better. Another topic – we are in this frontend world and one big problem with the old days was reliability. You talked a lot about testing in the frontend. Let’s talk about testing in your professional life. 19:48 – Carly: I moved slowly into backend, and it’s comfortable that you knew you weren’t going to break anything. This testing stuff is great and I actually love it. We need to figure it out on the frontend, too. I built a bunch of tools that doctors use. We started thinking about what can we do to make the frontend more testable. 21:40 – Panel: I call that: Layer Oriented Design. 21:51 – Carly: When we were on Backbone we used this screen-shot testing framework. We obviously should be focusing on how we made this app rather than how do we test frontend code. But we did it. You could have a Backbone view... 22:43 – Advertisement – FRESH BOOKS! 23:47 – Nader: How would you change the pictures – were you running it through what? 24:02 – Carly: An array of pixel colors. 24:10 – Carly: It was cool! We called it Lena. We used it for a year or so and it caught some bugs and it did other things. We built Percy and Storybook. We are ahead of the game with that. In general that is what we have moved to instead. 25:30 – Panel: What is Percy? 25:37 – Carly: It will render your components, then it will grab...and every time you push code it will compare the old/new screenshot. You can do mobile stuff, too, which is awesome. 26:25 – Panel: When I saw the Percy tests – I thought: this makes a difference! 26:48 – Carly: How do you know if this random stuff matters? 27:15 – Panel: It makes a huge impact. Percy can give it to you and easier to review code that has visual changes. If you added a border and you can see all the red sea of change, so let’s use a border box, etc. It’s really mind-blowing! They have a GitHub hook. If there are changes people have to improve. 28:22 – Panel: You mentioned it supporting a bunch of different browsers? What sort of context does Percy run in? Does it have a specific execution...? 28:44 – Carly: Options in Firefox and Chrome so far. People at Percy talk about cross-browsers and it will have a pipeline. It’s really hard to do. Who knows if it will come but we will see. 29:13 – Panel: How do we ensure that things are continuing to work across the browsers? Did we render anything that is completely broke? How do you do testing across browsers? 29:44 – Carly: Yeah, we use Browser Stack. We run Selenium IO. 31:12 – Nader: It sounds like you have great tools on the frontend. Nader asks a question. 31:28 – Carly: We have a fairly broken-up frontend. If someone changes something... Running all of those tests can get crazy. 32:11 – Panel: Cypress... Why did you decide on Cypress – what has been your experience with that? 32:35 – Carly: I have not yet figured out a good debugging experience, and I don’t know how you guys are doing it? It’s impossible to debug and it’s not a pleasant experience. I saw Cypress’ advertisement and you can see the difference. They highlight the target, etc. I had to try it! In just a little app that I have – I tested it there. I thought it was awesome b/c it will show you where it failed, etc. I had to get everyone on board and tried to persuade my team to use it. I used these slides and presented it, and it worked fine. It didn’t flake at all. People had to work with the tests and work with Cypress to get the feel for it. Everyone decided to use it, too. 35:16 – Panel: The spread of knowledge and it goes back to the beginning. What is this secret group: Frontend Guild? 35:33 – Carly answers the question. 37:04 – Panel: How does knowledge spread happen in other companies? Such different companies and different scales – how does that happen? 37:23 – Panel: As your company grows, communication is definitely a hard thing to accomplish. At ARTSY we try to do different things. One of our principles is...we try to document everything that goes on. Document from a process-level, and other levels, too. We have working practice groups (like the Guild) we talk about frontend issues, and other topics. Lots of meetings and lunch and learns (show and tell). We bring in outsiders in to the company to share their information. 38:57 – Nader: At AWS we have Meetups that are internal and external. We have talks, too. Every week you can find a few dozen talks around AWS and/or Amazon. You can take an hour or two out of your day to check those out. We also have demo-days that can show people what they are working on. 40:06 – Panel: Demo-days sounds very exciting. 40:49 – Panel: Find out what motivates people and go from there. 40:57 – Panel: Security as a healthcare company there is a lot of regulations, paper, and you have to keep up with standards. Can you talk about that? 41:20 – Carly: Yes, GitHub has a great feature... 43:20 – Carly: A Web Package I saw recently, and it’s called NPM / audit resolve. 44:40 – Panel: That audit resolve was purchased by NPM. Yeah, we primarily use... 45:04 – Carly: This stuff was existing out there before, and now we know. 45:12 – Panel: There is s this cognitive load that is just sitting out there. Being aware of what licenses out use and the features that you aren’t actively investing in. Building something is more than just putting JavaScript on the page – there are more concerns. 46:19 – Panel. 46:25 – Panel: Building the product is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s all of the other things you have to do to make the delivery good. 46:49 – Carly: I agree – especially on the performance-side. 48:00 – Panel: I would like to talk about these topics now: Monitoring and CI. How do you set that up? 48:19 – Carly: We have these things called Bundlesize. 49:06 – Panel: What’s the name of the library called? 49:10 – Carly: Bundlesize, I think. 50:41 – Nader: That’s all the time I have for today and thanks for coming on the show, Carly! 51:12 – Panel: Wait! Picks! 51:23 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 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Panel: Dave Kimura Charles (Chuck) Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Dan Mayer In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Bozhidar Batsov who is the VP of Engineering at Toptal, and an Emacs fanatic. The panel and the guest talk about RubCop, Emacs, and Komodo, among other topics! Check out today’s episode for more details. Show Topics: 0:00 – Sentry.IO – Advertisement! 1:07 – Chuck lists the panelists and the special guest. 1:37 – Chuck: Why are you famous? 1:41 – Guest gives his background. 2:13 – Guest: I am passionate about Emacs. 2:55 – Chuck. 2:58 – Panel: I have on a few projects. Do you know RUFO? It’s a bit more opinionated than RuboCop. 3:25 – Guest: I am familiar with RUFO and their approach is similar to JavaScript called Pretty or something like that. 4:45 – Guest: 4:49 – Panel: Can you tell us what RuboCop is and why is it important? 5:00 – Guest: There are a few main things that RuboCop is: 1.) Placement for Ruby minor... 2.) Lint tool 3.) Automatic checker for all the best practices outlined in the community 4.) Formatter for Ruby code – you can feed it ugly code and it will spin out beautiful code 7:30 – Panel: What are the origins of the project? Where you interested in the performance and security aspects of it? 7:49 – Guest. The guest talks about RuboCop in detail. 10:59 – Panel: It’s important to remember that these are just guidelines and they are NOT set in stone. Using single or double quotes. As long as the project is consistent and using decent practices then I am okay with the code. I will disable the...in RuboCop. Today with high-resolution monitors it’s one of those things that are an annoyance to me. It’s just my opinion, though. 12:07 – Guest: Why disable it and not...? 13:36 – Panel: You could use VS code instead of Emacs! I am just kidding. 13:51 – Guest: I hope you are kidding! 13:56 – Chuck: I cannot live without this code... 14:06 – Guest. 14:26 – Panel: I was an early adapter from the beginning and it was hella slow. I tried it from sublime text and I got annoyed so I eventually switched to VS code. Once I got over the brand name, I really like it as my main editor. 15:20 – Panel: Maybe it’s more approachable and it’s easier to dip your toes in. 15:35 – Guest. 16:29 – Panel: I haven’t heard of KOMODO in long time. I remember that was one of the first IDs that I had checked out. I tried that then went to Ruby Mine and then tried Sublime text and then VS. 16:57 – Guest: Komodo was a famous editor. 17:17 – Panel: I am curious on RuboCop that the adaption is driven by teaching idiomatic Ruby to people new to the language? 17:40 – Guest: I don’t think it’s much about the stylistic stuff at this point. I also noticed that the main driver of the group was... Guest goes into great detail about this topic. 22:44 – Guest (continues): RuboCop offers a bunch of different structure. 24:27 – Guest (continues): We are wondering how to approach the issue of performance. The performance aspect tended to be trickier than what we had expected. The majority of developers when given the choice to either secure or make something convenient - they will choose the latter option. 25:47 – Panel: That’s why they get hit with a high AWS bill. 26:00 – Guest. 26:30 – Panel: The things you have learned with RuboCop, is it changing the direction with MRI or the design of the language at all? 26:40 – Guest: I would hope so, but I don’t have hard evidence to prove this. If you give people too many options then it could be a waste of time. I don’t care about the nuances. 30:06 – Ad: RubyMine! 30-day trial! 30:38 – Panel: Would you recommend the Rails style guide if you are building a Rails style project? Should we use that as a baseline and then customize it for your team? 30:55 – Guest: The style guide should be good. For a while I was the only editor. Not a lot of the options that are there aren’t my personal opinion, but it’s the general prescription. If you have strong preferences and you have your team agree on those then it’s okay to be modifying it. At the end of the day it’s better to have consistency within a project. You are doing great! 32:57 – Chuck asks a question. 33:44 – Chuck: Could I modify a rule? 33:53 – Guest: There are varying degrees to the rule. 35:56 – Panel: One of your conference talks you talked about the future of Rails and the future of other Ruby frameworks? 36:18 – Guest: I am worried about the future of Ruby b/c I see people talking about the maturity of the system but there isn’t a clear vision to where we are going. There are some cornerstones for Ruby 3 that he is repeating. 41:05 – Guest (continues): I think we need to commit to the module and the API. 45:42 – Chuck: All of those things make sense to me. Is there any desire for people to fork Ruby or pulling / putting some of this in? 46:00 – Guest. 48:18 – Panel: Transition that to Rails and the future of Rails? 48:27 – Panel: There are big companies that are making changes. 48:51 – Guest. 53:33 – Panel: I think that is a common pattern that most companies move towards. 54:12 – Chuck: We did an episode on ElixirMix with Chris McCord. Check that out! 54:35 – Chuck: Picks! 54:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Rust Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails Angular Komodo Emacs RuboCop RuboCop – GitHub Stimulus reflex Messages: Share Screens Smittybilt Visual Studio Code: Introducing Visual Studio Live Share VRBO Bozhidar’s GitHub Bozhidar’s Twitter Bozhidar’s Patreon Bozhidar’s Open Collective Past EMx Episode 020 with Chris McCord! Sponsors: Sentry RubyMine Cache Fly Fresh Books Picks: Dave Tire Plugs VS Live Share Nate Share Screen using Messages on Mac Charles VRBO Find opportunities for R&R Rocket League Bozhidar Documentation for Markdown users Bear App
Panel: Nader Dabit Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Special Guests: Carly Litchfield In this episode, the panelists talk with Carly Litchfield who is a Full-stack engineer of React and React Native. The panel and Carly talk about frontend and backend developing and the issues that teams could face day-in and day-out. Listen to today’s episode to hear about that and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:30 – Nader: Welcome! Our panel is Justin, Lucas, myself, and our guest is Carly. Welcome to the show! Thanks for joining us. Introduce yourself please. 0:56 – Carly: I am a fullstack engineer at a company called Zocdoc. I have been there for 4 years, and we use C# framework. 1:17 – Nader: C# interesting! 1:26 – Nader: You can do game development and other stuff. 1:33- Carly: I haven’t gotten into game development at all, just using C# for web development. 1:50 – Nader. 1:55 – Carly. 2:08 – Nader: The topic for today is: being a frontend developer and a team that is mostly focused on backend. Also, other topics with testing if we have time. How did you get into web development? 2:32 – Carly goes into detail about how she got into web development. 5:02 – Carly: I have worked with React Native, too. 5:22 – Nader: That is my favorite thing to work with (React Native). 5:27 – Panel: Everyone was learning about this new domain and this frontend domain. How was the knowledge spread? How was it spread throughout the company? 5:50 – Carly: One of the people someone that was on this 3 – person team (Thomas) and he went around to anyone who knew React. He made a lot of tooling. He made a lot of configuration libraries. You’d have your NPM integration like everyone else. It was cool to hook it into our servers. It was crucial to help with adoption. Those libraries aren’t being well maintained and it’s causing some pain. 7:32 – Panel: I remember this one case when I was working with an engineer and he was working on backend stuff. He was like I don’t understand here is JSS and JavaScript. Did you have those cultural differences? 8:27 – Carly: Yeah, definitely. You will see a thousand two-thousand lines that are written by us and it’s impossible to know how it hooks-up, etc. It’s painful to work with and some of the internal tooling nobody is updating. That served a forcing mechanism b/c we built tons of the frontend that it’s so complicated and we are paralyzed. That served us b/c frontend is hard and we just can’t go plopping around wherever we want. That’s how they tried to use Backbone. We never hired a specific frontend engineer. We just kept hiring backend to learn frontend. It’s harder to hire someone to avoid those mistakes. They will have to learn the hard way, where a Senior Developer can help. Even our Backbone apps were heavy and hard to work with. At that time we thought we were going to go to React. We thought we could hire someone with true frontend experience. We started an interview process and hard to get off the ground. We have gotten a lot better b/c we have Senior and Principle engineers to help. 12:12 – Panel: This isn’t easy and this is hard. Building UIs are extremely difficult. 13:06 – Carly: I have an old manager that posted a quote...that just shows how much things are changing. These are advanced strategies. On the backend you have all of these services and go to AWS. However, on the frontend the problems aren’t solved, yet. WE don’t have a perfect answer. A lot of the dynamics are interesting and the right answers are yet to be found. 14:32 – Panel: I think that in some ways, an application we are finding better ways with static websites and blogs through the WordPress model. We are finding practices to enable people to build intricate things. 15:07 – Panel: I used C++ in the beginning of my career. I use a framework called QT. QT is good to building native UIs, but it’s extremely complicated and difficult. And thinking about that from the idea of building not only a UI, but also...we are essentially using tools that aren’t supposed to be used in the way they were designed. 16:46 – Carly: I agree. When I was using style components at the beginning – after you do it for a while it’s not weird anymore. It’s great not to have to reuse things. I hear a lot of people concerned with these separations, but maybe they were 3 separate concerns. Maybe one component is one concern, if you will. 17:59 – Panel: I agree. If you look at the page model vs. the web model...you want a button to look like THAT button. You want them to look the same, it’s a component or an app. Maybe if you have a Wikipedia page where you have headers and sections, the CSS model makes sense on that particular domain, but with application it’s so complicated. I am a fan of cell components, and... Things are getting better. Another topic – we are in this frontend world and one big problem with the old days was reliability. You talked a lot about testing in the frontend. Let’s talk about testing in your professional life. 19:48 – Carly: I moved slowly into backend, and it’s comfortable that you knew you weren’t going to break anything. This testing stuff is great and I actually love it. We need to figure it out on the frontend, too. I built a bunch of tools that doctors use. We started thinking about what can we do to make the frontend more testable. 21:40 – Panel: I call that: Layer Oriented Design. 21:51 – Carly: When we were on Backbone we used this screen-shot testing framework. We obviously should be focusing on how we made this app rather than how do we test frontend code. But we did it. You could have a Backbone view... 22:43 – Advertisement – FRESH BOOKS! 23:47 – Nader: How would you change the pictures – were you running it through what? 24:02 – Carly: An array of pixel colors. 24:10 – Carly: It was cool! We called it Lena. We used it for a year or so and it caught some bugs and it did other things. We built Percy and Storybook. We are ahead of the game with that. In general that is what we have moved to instead. 25:30 – Panel: What is Percy? 25:37 – Carly: It will render your components, then it will grab...and every time you push code it will compare the old/new screenshot. You can do mobile stuff, too, which is awesome. 26:25 – Panel: When I saw the Percy tests – I thought: this makes a difference! 26:48 – Carly: How do you know if this random stuff matters? 27:15 – Panel: It makes a huge impact. Percy can give it to you and easier to review code that has visual changes. If you added a border and you can see all the red sea of change, so let’s use a border box, etc. It’s really mind-blowing! They have a GitHub hook. If there are changes people have to improve. 28:22 – Panel: You mentioned it supporting a bunch of different browsers? What sort of context does Percy run in? Does it have a specific execution...? 28:44 – Carly: Options in Firefox and Chrome so far. People at Percy talk about cross-browsers and it will have a pipeline. It’s really hard to do. Who knows if it will come but we will see. 29:13 – Panel: How do we ensure that things are continuing to work across the browsers? Did we render anything that is completely broke? How do you do testing across browsers? 29:44 – Carly: Yeah, we use Browser Stack. We run Selenium IO. 31:12 – Nader: It sounds like you have great tools on the frontend. Nader asks a question. 31:28 – Carly: We have a fairly broken-up frontend. If someone changes something... Running all of those tests can get crazy. 32:11 – Panel: Cypress... Why did you decide on Cypress – what has been your experience with that? 32:35 – Carly: I have not yet figured out a good debugging experience, and I don’t know how you guys are doing it? It’s impossible to debug and it’s not a pleasant experience. I saw Cypress’ advertisement and you can see the difference. They highlight the target, etc. I had to try it! In just a little app that I have – I tested it there. I thought it was awesome b/c it will show you where it failed, etc. I had to get everyone on board and tried to persuade my team to use it. I used these slides and presented it, and it worked fine. It didn’t flake at all. People had to work with the tests and work with Cypress to get the feel for it. Everyone decided to use it, too. 35:16 – Panel: The spread of knowledge and it goes back to the beginning. What is this secret group: Frontend Guild? 35:33 – Carly answers the question. 37:04 – Panel: How does knowledge spread happen in other companies? Such different companies and different scales – how does that happen? 37:23 – Panel: As your company grows, communication is definitely a hard thing to accomplish. At ARTSY we try to do different things. One of our principles is...we try to document everything that goes on. Document from a process-level, and other levels, too. We have working practice groups (like the Guild) we talk about frontend issues, and other topics. Lots of meetings and lunch and learns (show and tell). We bring in outsiders in to the company to share their information. 38:57 – Nader: At AWS we have Meetups that are internal and external. We have talks, too. Every week you can find a few dozen talks around AWS and/or Amazon. You can take an hour or two out of your day to check those out. We also have demo-days that can show people what they are working on. 40:06 – Panel: Demo-days sounds very exciting. 40:49 – Panel: Find out what motivates people and go from there. 40:57 – Panel: Security as a healthcare company there is a lot of regulations, paper, and you have to keep up with standards. Can you talk about that? 41:20 – Carly: Yes, GitHub has a great feature... 43:20 – Carly: A Web Package I saw recently, and it’s called NPM / audit resolve. 44:40 – Panel: That audit resolve was purchased by NPM. Yeah, we primarily use... 45:04 – Carly: This stuff was existing out there before, and now we know. 45:12 – Panel: There is s this cognitive load that is just sitting out there. Being aware of what licenses out use and the features that you aren’t actively investing in. Building something is more than just putting JavaScript on the page – there are more concerns. 46:19 – Panel. 46:25 – Panel: Building the product is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s all of the other things you have to do to make the delivery good. 46:49 – Carly: I agree – especially on the performance-side. 48:00 – Panel: I would like to talk about these topics now: Monitoring and CI. How do you set that up? 48:19 – Carly: We have these things called Bundlesize. 49:06 – Panel: What’s the name of the library called? 49:10 – Carly: Bundlesize, I think. 50:41 – Nader: That’s all the time I have for today and thanks for coming on the show, Carly! 51:12 – Panel: Wait! Picks! 51:23 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 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Panel: Dave Kimura Charles (Chuck) Max Wood Nate Hopkins Special Guest: Dan Mayer In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Bozhidar Batsov who is the VP of Engineering at Toptal, and an Emacs fanatic. The panel and the guest talk about RubCop, Emacs, and Komodo, among other topics! Check out today’s episode for more details. Show Topics: 0:00 – Sentry.IO – Advertisement! 1:07 – Chuck lists the panelists and the special guest. 1:37 – Chuck: Why are you famous? 1:41 – Guest gives his background. 2:13 – Guest: I am passionate about Emacs. 2:55 – Chuck. 2:58 – Panel: I have on a few projects. Do you know RUFO? It’s a bit more opinionated than RuboCop. 3:25 – Guest: I am familiar with RUFO and their approach is similar to JavaScript called Pretty or something like that. 4:45 – Guest: 4:49 – Panel: Can you tell us what RuboCop is and why is it important? 5:00 – Guest: There are a few main things that RuboCop is: 1.) Placement for Ruby minor... 2.) Lint tool 3.) Automatic checker for all the best practices outlined in the community 4.) Formatter for Ruby code – you can feed it ugly code and it will spin out beautiful code 7:30 – Panel: What are the origins of the project? Where you interested in the performance and security aspects of it? 7:49 – Guest. The guest talks about RuboCop in detail. 10:59 – Panel: It’s important to remember that these are just guidelines and they are NOT set in stone. Using single or double quotes. As long as the project is consistent and using decent practices then I am okay with the code. I will disable the...in RuboCop. Today with high-resolution monitors it’s one of those things that are an annoyance to me. It’s just my opinion, though. 12:07 – Guest: Why disable it and not...? 13:36 – Panel: You could use VS code instead of Emacs! I am just kidding. 13:51 – Guest: I hope you are kidding! 13:56 – Chuck: I cannot live without this code... 14:06 – Guest. 14:26 – Panel: I was an early adapter from the beginning and it was hella slow. I tried it from sublime text and I got annoyed so I eventually switched to VS code. Once I got over the brand name, I really like it as my main editor. 15:20 – Panel: Maybe it’s more approachable and it’s easier to dip your toes in. 15:35 – Guest. 16:29 – Panel: I haven’t heard of KOMODO in long time. I remember that was one of the first IDs that I had checked out. I tried that then went to Ruby Mine and then tried Sublime text and then VS. 16:57 – Guest: Komodo was a famous editor. 17:17 – Panel: I am curious on RuboCop that the adaption is driven by teaching idiomatic Ruby to people new to the language? 17:40 – Guest: I don’t think it’s much about the stylistic stuff at this point. I also noticed that the main driver of the group was... Guest goes into great detail about this topic. 22:44 – Guest (continues): RuboCop offers a bunch of different structure. 24:27 – Guest (continues): We are wondering how to approach the issue of performance. The performance aspect tended to be trickier than what we had expected. The majority of developers when given the choice to either secure or make something convenient - they will choose the latter option. 25:47 – Panel: That’s why they get hit with a high AWS bill. 26:00 – Guest. 26:30 – Panel: The things you have learned with RuboCop, is it changing the direction with MRI or the design of the language at all? 26:40 – Guest: I would hope so, but I don’t have hard evidence to prove this. If you give people too many options then it could be a waste of time. I don’t care about the nuances. 30:06 – Ad: RubyMine! 30-day trial! 30:38 – Panel: Would you recommend the Rails style guide if you are building a Rails style project? Should we use that as a baseline and then customize it for your team? 30:55 – Guest: The style guide should be good. For a while I was the only editor. Not a lot of the options that are there aren’t my personal opinion, but it’s the general prescription. If you have strong preferences and you have your team agree on those then it’s okay to be modifying it. At the end of the day it’s better to have consistency within a project. You are doing great! 32:57 – Chuck asks a question. 33:44 – Chuck: Could I modify a rule? 33:53 – Guest: There are varying degrees to the rule. 35:56 – Panel: One of your conference talks you talked about the future of Rails and the future of other Ruby frameworks? 36:18 – Guest: I am worried about the future of Ruby b/c I see people talking about the maturity of the system but there isn’t a clear vision to where we are going. There are some cornerstones for Ruby 3 that he is repeating. 41:05 – Guest (continues): I think we need to commit to the module and the API. 45:42 – Chuck: All of those things make sense to me. Is there any desire for people to fork Ruby or pulling / putting some of this in? 46:00 – Guest. 48:18 – Panel: Transition that to Rails and the future of Rails? 48:27 – Panel: There are big companies that are making changes. 48:51 – Guest. 53:33 – Panel: I think that is a common pattern that most companies move towards. 54:12 – Chuck: We did an episode on ElixirMix with Chris McCord. Check that out! 54:35 – Chuck: Picks! 54:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! End – Cache Fly! 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Panel: Chris Fritz Eric Hatchet Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Benjamin Hong In this episode, the panel talks with Benjamin Hong who is a Senior Fullstack Engineer at GitLab, Inc. who currently resides in the Washington D.C. metro area. Ben and the panel talk about Politico and the current projects that Ben is working on. The panelists talk about topics, such as Vue, Vuex, VuePress, Nuxt, among others. Check out today’s episode! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:32 – Panel: Hi! Welcome – our panel today is live at Park City, UT. 1:34 – Benjamin introduces himself. 1:41 – Panel: Politico is a well trafficked website and it’s well known. What are your thoughts about working on a well trafficked website? 2:22 – Guest. 2:44 – Panel: Why did you settle on Vue? 2:50 – Guest: ...I came onto the team and was passionate about helping. We built out the component types. I thought Vue was better suited for the team. 3:36 – Panel: That’s a large team – that’s a lot of people 3:45 – Guest: Yeah, at one time I was writing everything. A lot of people on the team right now didn’t know a lot of JavaScript – but having Vue helps everyone to move the project forward. 4:29 – Panel: They can write just HTML, etc. 4:38 – Guest: Yep, exactly. It helps with communication. 4:55 – Panel asks a question. 5:00 – Guest: I use an event bust. 5:20 – Chuck: Did you have to move from an event bust to Vuex and what was that like? 5:30 – Guest: We had to move into module-esque anyways. 5:42 – Panel: You probably have Vuex with modules and...? 5:54 – Guest: We are using your enterprise broiler plate! 6:05 – Panel: Yeah, every team uses their own patterns. What files would I see used within your team? 6:16 – Guest answers the question. 6:55 – Panel asks a question. 7:01 – Guest: We can keep with the recommended packages fairly well! 7:21 – Panel. 7:26 – Guest: Funny enough at London...we are starting to get a lot with our co-coverage. We have a hard time balancing with unit tests and...eventually we want to look at Cypress. 8:12 – Panel. 8:15 – Guest. 8:19 – Chuck. 8:38 – Panel: I always encourage people to test the unit tests. 9:00 – Chuck: As you adopted Vue what was it like to get buy-in from management. Usually they have a strong backend with Rails, and someone comes in and says let’s use X. How do you sell them on: we are going to use this new technology. 9:30 – Guest: We could really use the user-experience better, and also to offload things from the backend developers. Our desire was to control more things like animation and to specialize those things. That was my selling point. 10:32 – Chuck: I tend to do both on the apps that I’m working on. I told Chris that I was going to switch a lot of things to Vue – some of the things you said I am not interested in the backend b/c it’s too painful. 11:01 – Panel. 11:08 – Chuck: There are things that are really, really good on the backend, but... 11:18 – Panel. 11:24 – Panel: You get the benefits of rendering... 11:43 – Chuck: What are your challenges into Vue? 11:50 – Guest: It’s definitely the scale, because we were a team of 5 and now we are a team of 15. Also, the different time changes b/c we have some people who live in India. Getting that workflow and we are looking at STORYBOOK to help with that. 12:30 – Chuck: Every person you add doubles the complexity of the group. 12:40 – Panel: I think that is conservative! 12:49 – Chuck. 12:56 – Panel: I get to see Chuck in person so this is different! 13:09 – Panel: Challenge accepted! 13:18 – Panel: This is the roast! 13:25 – Panel: Are you working, Benjamin, on a component library? Are you working on that alongside your current project? How do you manage that/ 13:38 – Guest: Unfortunately, we have a lot of deadlines and everything is running in parallel! 14:00 – Panel: How do you implement expectations throughout your team? 14:13 – Panel. 14:16 – Guest: It’s for everyone to understand their own expectations and the team’s expectations. I have to be able to parse it out w/o giving them too much guidance. 15:20 – Panel. 15:25 – Guest: Yep! 15:30 – Panel: ...having to edit the same files and the same lines... 15:36 – Guest: We have been able to keep those in their own lanes! 15:44 – Panel: Yeah that’s no fun – I’ve been there! 15:53 – Chuck: You are working in the development branch – and then their thing breaks my thing, etc. 16:08 – Panel: You are doing dimensional travel! It’s almost like reorganizing a complete novel. 16:30 – Guest: You don’t want your work to drag on too long b/c you don’t want to poorly affect the other team members. 16:53 – Panel: Does that mean you use internal docs to help with the workflow? 17:03 – Guest: Yes, we use the common team board. 17:30 – Panel asks a question. 17:39 – Guest: Yes, that’s a challenge. I have setup an internal product called Politico Academy. 18:29 – Chuck: How do you fit into what Politico is doing? 18:45 – Guest: They are giving out cutting edge information regarding policies and that sort of thing. We have tools like compass to track your notes within the team and also bills. Politico Pro is like for lobbyists and those fees are very expensive. 19:23 – Panel: Do you have to create graphs and D3 and stuff like that? 19:35 – Guest: I am itching to do that and we haven’t really done that, yet. I would love to do that, though! 19:42 – Panel: Chris will be talking about that which will air on YouTube! 20:02 – Panel: Ben, you make decisions based on architecture – do the members of the team get to contribute to that or no? 20:27 – Guest: Yeah, I have a democratic approach. I want people to show their opinion, so that way they know that their voice is getting heard. I don’t make all the decisions, but I do give some guidelines. 21:11 – Chris: I like to time box it. I do the same thing, too. 21:49 – Chuck: Yeah someone would propose something to a new feature (or whatnot) and we would want to see if we want to explore it now or later. 21:55 – Panel goes back-and-forth. 23:26 – Panel: On that note- you want to make sure that each developer has submitted a pole request per day. What is universal in regards to coding practices, and code comments, and stuff like that and code style? 23:55 – Guest: We do PREMIER across the board right now. 24:55 – Panel asks a question. 25:08 – Guest: I like having more...if it can show WHY you did it a certain way. 25:33 – Panel: It’s good not to save the data. 25:40 – Chris: Sometimes a SQUASH can be helpful. 25:50 – Divya: I try to commit often and my work is a work in-progress. 26:08 – Chris. 26:13 – Chuck comments. 26:24 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 26:43 – Guest: They will write their code and then use Prettier and it will look terrifying b/c it’s like what did you just do. I want them to see the 2 lines they changed rather than the whole file. 27:13 – Panelist talks about Linting. 27:34 – Chuck. 27:39 – Chris: If it’s not the default then... 27:55 – Divya: When you manually setup your project you can run a prettier pre-commit. 28:00 – Chris: My pre-commits are much more thorough. 28:37 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 29:26 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 30:02 – Panel: Can you talk about VuePress, please? 30:06 – Guest: Yeah! The guest talks about VuePress in-detail! 31:21 – Chuck. 31:25 – Panel. 31:44 – Chuck: I am curious about this – what’s the difference between VuePress and Nuxt? 31:58 – Guest answers the question. 32:19 – Chris adds his comments into this topic (VuePress and Nuxt). 32:47 – Guest. 33:02 – Divya. 34:24 – Chuck: If they are fluent in English and native in another language and it’s easy to figure where to put everything. 34:41 – Chris: Yeah they have a clear path for to clear up any documentation potential problems. 35:04 – Chris: ...the core docs and the impending libraries and the smaller ones, too. 35:17 – Divya: When you are creating the docs and you are thinking about NTN it’s important to think about the English docs. They say that it’s best to think of the language if that doc was to be translated into another language. 35:50 – Chris: Definition: “A function that returns another function” = higher function. 36:19 – Chuck: We are running out of time, and let’s talk about user-scripts. You have co-organized a group in Washington D.C. I tell people to go to a group to help like Meetups. What do you recommend? 37:00 – Guest: A lot of it is to be that community leader and show-up. To figure out let’s go ahead and meet. I know a lot of people worry about the “venue,” but go to a public library or ask an office for space, that’s an option, too. 38:15 – Panel: We have these different Meetups and right now in my area we don’t have one for Vue. 38:37 – Guest: Yeah, I recommend just getting it going. 39:04 – Chris: Yeah, just forming a community. 39:16 – Chuck: D.C. is a large area, so I can see where the larger market it would be easier. But even for the smaller communities there can be 10 or so people but that’s a great start! 39:48 – Guest: Yeah, once it gets started it flows. 40:02 – Chuck: What are the topics then at these meetings? 40:05 – Guest: I like to help people to code, so that’s my inspiration. 40:50 – Divya: I help with the Chicago Meetup and tons of people sign-up but not a lot of people to show – that’s our challenge right now! How do you get people to actually GO! 41:44 – Guest: I tell people that it’s a free event and really the show up rate is about 30%. I let the people to know that there is a beginning section, too, that there is a safe place for them. I find that that is helpful. 42:44 – Chris: Yeah, even the language/vocabulary that you use can really deter people or make people feel accepted. 43:48 – Chuck: Let’s talk about the idea of ‘new developers.’ They would ask people for the topics that THEY wanted to talk about. 44:37 – Divya: From an organizer’s perspective... 46:10 – Chuck: If you want people to show-up to your Meetups just do this...a secret pattern! I did a talk about a block chain and we probably had 3x to 4x a better turnout. 46:55 – Panel. 47:00 – Divya: The one event that was really successful was having Evan and Chris come to Chicago. That event was eventually $25.00 and then when Evan couldn’t come the price dropped to $5.00. 48:00 – Panel goes back-and-forth. 48:22 – Chuck: Where can they find you? 48:30 – Guest: BenCodeZen! 48:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. 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Panel: Chris Fritz Eric Hatchet Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Benjamin Hong In this episode, the panel talks with Benjamin Hong who is a Senior Fullstack Engineer at GitLab, Inc. who currently resides in the Washington D.C. metro area. Ben and the panel talk about Politico and the current projects that Ben is working on. The panelists talk about topics, such as Vue, Vuex, VuePress, Nuxt, among others. Check out today’s episode! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 0:32 – Panel: Hi! Welcome – our panel today is live at Park City, UT. 1:34 – Benjamin introduces himself. 1:41 – Panel: Politico is a well trafficked website and it’s well known. What are your thoughts about working on a well trafficked website? 2:22 – Guest. 2:44 – Panel: Why did you settle on Vue? 2:50 – Guest: ...I came onto the team and was passionate about helping. We built out the component types. I thought Vue was better suited for the team. 3:36 – Panel: That’s a large team – that’s a lot of people 3:45 – Guest: Yeah, at one time I was writing everything. A lot of people on the team right now didn’t know a lot of JavaScript – but having Vue helps everyone to move the project forward. 4:29 – Panel: They can write just HTML, etc. 4:38 – Guest: Yep, exactly. It helps with communication. 4:55 – Panel asks a question. 5:00 – Guest: I use an event bust. 5:20 – Chuck: Did you have to move from an event bust to Vuex and what was that like? 5:30 – Guest: We had to move into module-esque anyways. 5:42 – Panel: You probably have Vuex with modules and...? 5:54 – Guest: We are using your enterprise broiler plate! 6:05 – Panel: Yeah, every team uses their own patterns. What files would I see used within your team? 6:16 – Guest answers the question. 6:55 – Panel asks a question. 7:01 – Guest: We can keep with the recommended packages fairly well! 7:21 – Panel. 7:26 – Guest: Funny enough at London...we are starting to get a lot with our co-coverage. We have a hard time balancing with unit tests and...eventually we want to look at Cypress. 8:12 – Panel. 8:15 – Guest. 8:19 – Chuck. 8:38 – Panel: I always encourage people to test the unit tests. 9:00 – Chuck: As you adopted Vue what was it like to get buy-in from management. Usually they have a strong backend with Rails, and someone comes in and says let’s use X. How do you sell them on: we are going to use this new technology. 9:30 – Guest: We could really use the user-experience better, and also to offload things from the backend developers. Our desire was to control more things like animation and to specialize those things. That was my selling point. 10:32 – Chuck: I tend to do both on the apps that I’m working on. I told Chris that I was going to switch a lot of things to Vue – some of the things you said I am not interested in the backend b/c it’s too painful. 11:01 – Panel. 11:08 – Chuck: There are things that are really, really good on the backend, but... 11:18 – Panel. 11:24 – Panel: You get the benefits of rendering... 11:43 – Chuck: What are your challenges into Vue? 11:50 – Guest: It’s definitely the scale, because we were a team of 5 and now we are a team of 15. Also, the different time changes b/c we have some people who live in India. Getting that workflow and we are looking at STORYBOOK to help with that. 12:30 – Chuck: Every person you add doubles the complexity of the group. 12:40 – Panel: I think that is conservative! 12:49 – Chuck. 12:56 – Panel: I get to see Chuck in person so this is different! 13:09 – Panel: Challenge accepted! 13:18 – Panel: This is the roast! 13:25 – Panel: Are you working, Benjamin, on a component library? Are you working on that alongside your current project? How do you manage that/ 13:38 – Guest: Unfortunately, we have a lot of deadlines and everything is running in parallel! 14:00 – Panel: How do you implement expectations throughout your team? 14:13 – Panel. 14:16 – Guest: It’s for everyone to understand their own expectations and the team’s expectations. I have to be able to parse it out w/o giving them too much guidance. 15:20 – Panel. 15:25 – Guest: Yep! 15:30 – Panel: ...having to edit the same files and the same lines... 15:36 – Guest: We have been able to keep those in their own lanes! 15:44 – Panel: Yeah that’s no fun – I’ve been there! 15:53 – Chuck: You are working in the development branch – and then their thing breaks my thing, etc. 16:08 – Panel: You are doing dimensional travel! It’s almost like reorganizing a complete novel. 16:30 – Guest: You don’t want your work to drag on too long b/c you don’t want to poorly affect the other team members. 16:53 – Panel: Does that mean you use internal docs to help with the workflow? 17:03 – Guest: Yes, we use the common team board. 17:30 – Panel asks a question. 17:39 – Guest: Yes, that’s a challenge. I have setup an internal product called Politico Academy. 18:29 – Chuck: How do you fit into what Politico is doing? 18:45 – Guest: They are giving out cutting edge information regarding policies and that sort of thing. We have tools like compass to track your notes within the team and also bills. Politico Pro is like for lobbyists and those fees are very expensive. 19:23 – Panel: Do you have to create graphs and D3 and stuff like that? 19:35 – Guest: I am itching to do that and we haven’t really done that, yet. I would love to do that, though! 19:42 – Panel: Chris will be talking about that which will air on YouTube! 20:02 – Panel: Ben, you make decisions based on architecture – do the members of the team get to contribute to that or no? 20:27 – Guest: Yeah, I have a democratic approach. I want people to show their opinion, so that way they know that their voice is getting heard. I don’t make all the decisions, but I do give some guidelines. 21:11 – Chris: I like to time box it. I do the same thing, too. 21:49 – Chuck: Yeah someone would propose something to a new feature (or whatnot) and we would want to see if we want to explore it now or later. 21:55 – Panel goes back-and-forth. 23:26 – Panel: On that note- you want to make sure that each developer has submitted a pole request per day. What is universal in regards to coding practices, and code comments, and stuff like that and code style? 23:55 – Guest: We do PREMIER across the board right now. 24:55 – Panel asks a question. 25:08 – Guest: I like having more...if it can show WHY you did it a certain way. 25:33 – Panel: It’s good not to save the data. 25:40 – Chris: Sometimes a SQUASH can be helpful. 25:50 – Divya: I try to commit often and my work is a work in-progress. 26:08 – Chris. 26:13 – Chuck comments. 26:24 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 26:43 – Guest: They will write their code and then use Prettier and it will look terrifying b/c it’s like what did you just do. I want them to see the 2 lines they changed rather than the whole file. 27:13 – Panelist talks about Linting. 27:34 – Chuck. 27:39 – Chris: If it’s not the default then... 27:55 – Divya: When you manually setup your project you can run a prettier pre-commit. 28:00 – Chris: My pre-commits are much more thorough. 28:37 – Panel goes back-and-forth! 29:26 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 30:02 – Panel: Can you talk about VuePress, please? 30:06 – Guest: Yeah! The guest talks about VuePress in-detail! 31:21 – Chuck. 31:25 – Panel. 31:44 – Chuck: I am curious about this – what’s the difference between VuePress and Nuxt? 31:58 – Guest answers the question. 32:19 – Chris adds his comments into this topic (VuePress and Nuxt). 32:47 – Guest. 33:02 – Divya. 34:24 – Chuck: If they are fluent in English and native in another language and it’s easy to figure where to put everything. 34:41 – Chris: Yeah they have a clear path for to clear up any documentation potential problems. 35:04 – Chris: ...the core docs and the impending libraries and the smaller ones, too. 35:17 – Divya: When you are creating the docs and you are thinking about NTN it’s important to think about the English docs. They say that it’s best to think of the language if that doc was to be translated into another language. 35:50 – Chris: Definition: “A function that returns another function” = higher function. 36:19 – Chuck: We are running out of time, and let’s talk about user-scripts. You have co-organized a group in Washington D.C. I tell people to go to a group to help like Meetups. What do you recommend? 37:00 – Guest: A lot of it is to be that community leader and show-up. To figure out let’s go ahead and meet. I know a lot of people worry about the “venue,” but go to a public library or ask an office for space, that’s an option, too. 38:15 – Panel: We have these different Meetups and right now in my area we don’t have one for Vue. 38:37 – Guest: Yeah, I recommend just getting it going. 39:04 – Chris: Yeah, just forming a community. 39:16 – Chuck: D.C. is a large area, so I can see where the larger market it would be easier. But even for the smaller communities there can be 10 or so people but that’s a great start! 39:48 – Guest: Yeah, once it gets started it flows. 40:02 – Chuck: What are the topics then at these meetings? 40:05 – Guest: I like to help people to code, so that’s my inspiration. 40:50 – Divya: I help with the Chicago Meetup and tons of people sign-up but not a lot of people to show – that’s our challenge right now! How do you get people to actually GO! 41:44 – Guest: I tell people that it’s a free event and really the show up rate is about 30%. I let the people to know that there is a beginning section, too, that there is a safe place for them. I find that that is helpful. 42:44 – Chris: Yeah, even the language/vocabulary that you use can really deter people or make people feel accepted. 43:48 – Chuck: Let’s talk about the idea of ‘new developers.’ They would ask people for the topics that THEY wanted to talk about. 44:37 – Divya: From an organizer’s perspective... 46:10 – Chuck: If you want people to show-up to your Meetups just do this...a secret pattern! I did a talk about a block chain and we probably had 3x to 4x a better turnout. 46:55 – Panel. 47:00 – Divya: The one event that was really successful was having Evan and Chris come to Chicago. That event was eventually $25.00 and then when Evan couldn’t come the price dropped to $5.00. 48:00 – Panel goes back-and-forth. 48:22 – Chuck: Where can they find you? 48:30 – Guest: BenCodeZen! 48:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. 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Panel: Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Nate Hopkins Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Eric Oestrich In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Eric Oestrich who is a web developer who resides in Indianapolis, Indiana. He and the panel talk about ExVenture, Gossip, Cowboy, Raisin, Grapevine, and much more! Listen to today’s episode to hear all about it! Finally, check out Eric’s ElixirConf talk and his blog, too! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:51 – Charles introduces the panel. 1:14 – Nate talks about his background. 1:27 – Chuck: My first programming job I worked with Nate. Nate also works now with Eric Berry. We have a special guest and that is Eric Oestrich. Tell us who you are, please! 1:55 – Eric: I work for Smart Logic, LLC. We are a consultancy who has moved to Elixir for the last 2 years. 2:14 – Chuck: Tell us what ExVenture is? 2:46 – Eric: Late 80’s to mid-90’s it’s like a MUD tech space game. Eric goes into detail of what ExVenture is. 3:28 – Panel: Familiar with MUDS. 3:36 – Panel: Audience can’t tell that Eric isn’t an old guy. Eric – you aren’t an old gentleman – how did you get into it?! 4:02 – Eric: The concept has fascinated me. It’s pure game mechanics. In school I wrote things in Python and try to make it threaded. Never got it going. After that I wanted to do a MUD but not good enough in C and couldn’t get it working in Ruby neither. But one faithful day (a year ago) I got an echo and chat server and now we have a MUD. 5:02 – Panel: Why should you be interested? I will tell you why. ExVenture is an open source... I encourage everyone to dig into and play with it! It is a game (so that makes it more fun) but you are dealing with game mechanics. I am also curious where you wanted this to go? What made you say: I want to create this and make it open source? 6:37 – Eric: I like it and work has mostly played for it. It’s MIT because of that. Early in the project (between client work) it was a common thread and that’s why it’s open source. 7:27 – Panel: I ran into you at the conference and you were showing me... Talk about getting metrics out of your system, please? 8:20 – Eric answers the question. 9:09 – Panel: When people are trying to get metrics out of their system – what EVEN makes a good metric? 9:21- Eric: I am trying to figure that out myself, actually. I want to know how long it takes for someone to login? Is that someone trying to hack into my system? If you speak at a global channel or something else... Eric goes into more detail. Eric also mentions Prometheus. 10:31 – Panel: You mentioned: What would you want to see on a dashboard? 11:01 – Eric answers the question and mentions Prometheus EX. 12:19 – Panel: As you starting building this you were pulling libraries out of it and making them separate libraries. Are you pretty proud of GOSSIP? 12:37 – Eric: Yes! Gossip is based on web sockets and it’s a cowboy socket. Eric talks about Gossip. 13:10 – Panel: What other clients are you trying to support? 13:15 – Eric: There is a JavaScript client and Node-based game called... There is a bundle system for that. There is also a Python option. The one thing we haven’t done yet is a C client. That is important b/c most of the games that you could connect to are 25-30 years old. 14:26 – Panel asks a question. 14:34 – Eric: That is the C client we are waiting for. 14:43 – Panel: You talked at the conference (see the show notes) you talked about things you learned along the way. Can you talk about your process? What kind of bottlenecks and how did you resolve those issues? 15:10 – Eric answers the question. 16:44 – Panel: Did you run out of processes? 16:47 – Eric: The VM shut-off – it was just done. That was the first go-around. 19:27 – Eric: After the ElixirConf, I wanted to see how far I could push it. Eric continues. 19:51 – Panel: I want to identify some of these principles you just talked about. First, the major block was the gen server is a single process. 20:21 – Panel. 20:24 – Panel: I think that is a common mistake when people come to Elixir in the beginning stages. How did you solve it? 20:50 – Panelist answers the above question. 21:30 – Panel: That’s one of the big things. It’s an architectural issue. Second, you mentioned really LARGE messages. You were sending around really large messages. 22:20 – Eric: For every 100 players was a gigabyte of ram – it was a lot. And that was mostly b/c every copy...when a new character enters the room then that message gets sent out then it gets copied again, and... 23:08 – Panel. 23:24 – Panel: The third one you mentioned was around data base blocking or...? Can you talk about this one a little more, please? 23:33 – Eric answers the question. 24:02 – Panel. 24:30 – Eric: It was always saving...I tricked Echo into saving...There is a lot of things that could be better to save specifically faster. 24:52 – Panel: I think people would hit those 3 points eventually – there is a lot of value to that. 25:09 –Eric: Yes that was near the end of my ElixirConf talk and my blog. 25:23 – Panel. 25:33 – Eric: It came out in May and I figured out that I needed to learn how to cluster in Elixir. That’s what the ElixirConf was a bout from single node to multiple nodes. Eric continues. 28:38 – Panel: When you have a cluster – and I join – when I transfer from one room to another room, I could be passed off to another server or node? 29:01 – Eric: Whatever you mean by “being passed off.” Whatever server you land on that’s the one you will be on. The magic is that... 30:08 – Advertisement: Fresh Books! 31:15 – Panel: I am going through the code base now and I am excited. It’s going to help me get better at Elixir. 31:32 – Eric: That’s the point of ExVenture. 31:48 – Panel: You host a server so people can see what it’s about – and that’s Mid Mud, right? 32:09 – Eric: Yep, the first hour of you playing. There is a town crier, you request, and then combat monsters. Also, it is plugged into Gossip and you can talk to them. 32:44 – Eric: Yep, there you go: player logged-in! 32:55 – Panel: Maybe not b/c it will turn into a new podcast soon. 33:07 – Panel: What if I want to use Gossip, what is involved there? 33:16 – Eric: Gossip.Haus/docs – Go there! Set it up and start sending and receiving events. 34:40 – Panel: When I was trying to understand the Prometheus metrics it helped. And then in downloading it (as a tip), for me, it was easy to use the DOCKER instructions. 35:32 – Eric: Yep, that was done by a community member. 35:40 – Panel: Are you looking for people to contribute? 35:50 – Eric: Yep, I have a public Trello board. There are 2 tags. 36:12 – Panel: Sounds like you have people involved? 36:22 – Eric: Bunch of people came on after the ElixirConf. 36:33 – Panel: If people download it (another tip) in the SEEDS file you will find out the admin username and password. I guess that’s something you can add. Login: ADMIN and Password: PASSWORD. What I thought was fun (playing with it) in the admin screen I got a sense that it’s generic enough that I could create a space game. Like playing with sectors of space. Does that make sense? 37:42 – Eric: I don’t want it to be tied JUST to fantasy b/c that’s what MUD is. Everything should be good for historical/ fantasy/ etc. any genre that you want to do! 38:13 – Panel: I could see a HackFest and the company could create one for their business. You could have a lot of fun with it. 38:38 – Panel. 38:44 – Panel: Hidden things on their websites. 38:50 – Eric: Search TEXT ADVENTURE in Google Search. See show notes below. 39:24 – Panel: There is a whole subculture that people are interested in and I didn’t know that these people existed. I think that is interesting. 39:45 – Eric: There are tons of games out there that are 20+ years old! 39:55 – Panel: What is your favorite old school MUD game? 40:02 – Eric lists his favorite old school games! One of them is Achaea! 40:51 – Panel: I like the status bars are really cool. If you haven’t played it you have a health bar. Also you have these expiring times and it’s very cool – modern MUD. 41:22 – Eric. 42:00 – Panel: You came from a Ruby background – what was your transition to Elixir like for you? How did you come to Elixir? What was that like for you? 42:15 – Eric: Yeah some of my friends were into Elixir from a functional standpoint about 2 years ago. They were reading about Phoenix and such. They wanted to see how it was going to go. 43:06 – Panel: Try by fire. Coming from Ruby to Elixir – what some advice would you give the same person? 43:37 – Eric: It was less of a culture shock b/c Phoenix was still kind of “Railsy.” 44:35 – Panel: When I was first learning ERLANG, and telling them that it was a standard library. 44:59 – Eric: It’s using Cowboys Ranch. 45:19 – Eric: There are a number of people out there that they want people to run to SSH b/c it’s more secure. 45:46 – Eric: I guess if we are on this topic about secure... 46:40 – Chuck. 46:51 – Panel: I think there is a lot of value, Eric, and the lessons you’ve learned and the path you’ve gone down. If you are new to Elixir going to ExVenture is a great way to start. 47:20 – Eric. 47:35 – Panel: Just run the format and we can do it that way. I encourage people to download it and see what it’s like as a user, and play with it as an admin. We have a Meetup coming up this Thursday. Eric is coming in virtually into our Meetup group. 48:29 – Eric: Gossip is open source. Grapevine and Raisin – check these out, too, b/c they are open source, too. 48:58 – Panel: Where can people contact you? 49:05 – Eric: Twitter! GitHub! Mudcoders.com. 49:39 – Picks! 49:44 – Ad: Lootcrate.com Links: Ruby Elixir Elm Atom.io Flutter.io JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Erlang ExVenture Ex_Venture ExVenture’s Trello Board Prometheus Prometheus EX Gossip GitHub: Gossip 2018 – Conference Talk @ Elixir Conf with Eric Oestrich Eric’s Blog Libcluster Raft – GitHub.io – The Raft Consensus Algorithm pg2 MidMUD Gossip/Haus/Docs ExVenture: Docker Environment Google: Text Adventure Achaea Cowboy SSH Grapevine Raisin ASDF Plugins Eric’s GitHub Eric’s Twitter Brooklyn Nine-Nine Elm Packages MetaBase Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Eric MUD Coders Elixir LS Mark ASDF Library Josh Brooklyn Nine-Nine Elm UI Nate Mentoring and Paired Programming Metabase Charles Monster Hunters International
Panel: Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Bill Peregoy In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Bill Peregoy who is a software engineer who uses Elixir and loves Graph QL. The panel talks with Bill about his Elixir background, in addition to past and current projects. Check out today’s episode to hear the panel talk about Elixir, Graph QL, code reviews, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 1:07 – Chuck: Tell us who you are and why you are famous? 1:16 – Guest: Here it goes...I have a diverse background. I have a background in hardware and went into software and it got me into Ruby. From there I moved to the software world and in constant contact with a Ruby project. Then I found an Elixir book and thought it was really cool. About a year ago I started working with a consulting company that uses Elixir. They have a cool entrepreneur group. Then about 3 months ago I transferred to another project. 2:41 – Panel: The MBTA? 2:49 – Guest: You thought I was using old crust technology, but they are using new technologies. 3:06 – Panel: You have this hardware background have you looked at NERVES? 3:17 – Guest: I have an interest in it. 3:34 – Let’s talk about deploying Elixir apps. Getting into Elixir might be interesting to talk about? Let’s talk about how you got into Elixir, please. 3:55 – Guest: I had an easy slide into it. The guest talks about how to structure code and how he learned about Elixir. 4:34 – Chuck: Where would have gotten into trouble if you didn’t have that? 4:39 – Guest: ...how do you organize code? It’s a bunch of modules with functions in them. 5:19 – Panel: You mentioned code reviews – and to me that’s how you learn something fast. 5:30 – Guest: I was lucky to have worked with a person who is really picky about code reviews. They were detailed and I learned a lot from him. 5:53 – Panel: I give code reviews, too. What makes a good code review from the receiving end? 6:12 – Guest answers the question. Guest: Don’t write the code for me, but...here is a general direction. 6:37 – Panel: I give the person a wrong review so they have to learn it. 7:00 – Chuck: Would have it been easier if it was a smaller project? 7:10 – Guest: I think it helped that it was a larger project. 7:29 – Chuck: We have talked about deployment and other tools that you’ve used. What I am curious about – you were using AWS and ECS can you talk about that, please? 8:00 – Guest: It was a wild ride for me. We knew we’d have to get there eventually and went for it. We never had deployed an Elixir app before. I had little knowledge with AWS, so there were thousands of new things I was learning in one week. I learned a lot from this guy and he said let’s get the app running, then let’s take it to an RDS, then let’s make sure this and that work. There is a lot going on there, but breaking it down you could figure it out when they came up. It was a lifesaver having his work b/c it would have taken me weeks instead of a few days. 9:28 – Chuck: My wife and I watched The Martian a few days ago. The character said: you solve one problem at a time. 9:47 – Guest: Yes. 10:00 – Guest: The article, “Guide to Deploy a...” 10:20 – Guest: I understood the pieces very well. 10:30 – Panel: Setting up an umbrella project. Is that how you have yours set-up? 10:48 – Guest: Single Phoenix application for me. 11:15 – Panel: Sounds like you were learning a lot of different technologies – any big “AH HA” moments? 11:30 – Guest answers the question. 12:15 – Panel: I like how the Distillery 2.0 Guide and the docker file... 12:30 – Chuck: Walk us through your structure of your talk? 12:39 – Guest: Yes, higher order functions - that’s what I was talking about. Where in the Elixir world you want to pass around functions. I had this idea that I had one task that was very similar but you had to do it multiple times. To do that I defined one piece of code that... It was a way to reuse a lot of code and... 13:51 – Panel: That is a pattern I enjoy using. Instead of using a mocking library I like a function that can direct it. The thing I enjoyed about it was that I could have a test data and a test interface in a production environment. I could create a customer... 15:06 – Guest. 15:44 – Guest: Gen state is pretty awesome. It’s not in Elixir Proper, yet. 16:55 – Chuck: I can see how that is helpful. You have to manage the pipeline on your own. 17:18 – Guest: You can upload a certain number of permits. That can be handled behind the scenes. 17:45 – Panel: Yeah the first state was manage the Q and then... 18:48 – Guest: That is what I am doing right now – one at a time right now. If I need more processing on this one node, I can... 19:20 – Panel: That’s when Elixir feels very powerful. 19:26 – Guest: That’s a talk I have a lot. Ruby is great, but when you dive into OPT in Elixir then it’s amazing. 19:54 – Chuck: We are starting to get there with Elixir. I don’t miss as much stuff with Ruby as I did before. 20:10 – Guest: What libraries I don’t need and I haven’t come across that just yet. 20:44 – Panel asks a question. 20:50 – Guest: I wasn’t directly involved. They are working with predictions for bust lines. And they grab data form many different sources. They are trying to combine all that data and it has been a good solution for them. 21:25 – Panel: Since you have a Ruby background and hardware – what is the Elixir system like for you? 21:41 – Guest: I haven’t come across too many problems. Elixir’s language tends to be smaller – which I like. I think people from JavaScript like having NEW things all of the time. Elixir is done and we are just adding small things here and there. 22:13 – Panel: Yeah, I agree. Elixir is a mature platform right now. 22:45 – Guest: Elixir is very mature – I agree. 23:10 – Panel: I think it being built with care is nice. 23:34 – Guest: I love diving into Elixir and source code. I know exactly what I need. In some Ruby libraries they are so heavily dependent on... 24:05 – Loot Crate! 25:13 – Chuck. 25:40 – Guest. 25:50 – Panel: Being explicit and concise at the same time I don’t feel so bad. 26:00- Chuck: ...I want to know that those are there. If it was – you have to go through all of this ceremony – that’s boilerplate that I feel doesn’t’ add a lot. 26:36 – Panel: Getting out a functional language...being able to see a module and it has every sort of path that I can run is nice. 27:00 – Guest. 27:37 – Panel: I did that a bit for my Rail code. People didn’t like that it wasn’t “normal.” 27:52 – Guest. 28:09 – Panel: Coming into this project where one of the developers likes using MACROS. It’s been a challenge b/c MACROS still let’s you create magic. We talked with Sasha and he queued me to this document and it’s the library guidelines. In the anti-patterns it says: avoid macros. 29:32 – Guest: ...but you should think twice before you dive into macros. 29:50 – Panel: I used macros once to enforce... 30:01 – Panel: What are your feelings on dialyzer – what do you think? 30:15 – Guest: I think it’s the way of the future - I love it. 30:58 – Panel: I am trying VS code and it does incremental dialyzer compilation. 31:27 – Guest: Of course the problem with dialyzer are the error messages. It can be frustrating. 31:40 – Panel. 31:43 – Guest: ...eventually I would figure it out. I went dialyzer front to back on my current project. A month into the project I wasn’t writing new specs, and then I realized I hadn’t done it in awhile, and of course I have a 500 error on the server. Turns out I was... 33:00 – Panel: Yes. I encourage people to... 33:07 – Guest: The way it captures things is that... 33:29 – Panel. 33:42 – Panel: We talked about that on the previous episode. It’s an RC right now, but it’s been helpful. There is a explained option. It will give me an example, I didn’t know how to fix it but... 34:14 – Guest: It can help you write simpler code. 34:47 – Panel. 34:52 – Guest: With an Elm background I think it helped me. 35:13 – Panel. 35:45 – Guest: My dream world would be... 35:55 – Panel: Josh, how does it do it? 36:03 – Panel: What is Elixir LS? 36:09 – Panel answers the question. 36:50 – Panel: I have used ATOM as an editor...how do you like visual studio code? 37:01 – Panel answers the question. 37:38 – Panel: I have used FLUTTER. 37:44 – Chuck: I like it. 38:20 – Chuck talks about Flutter and the advantages of it. 38:34 – Guest: What editors do you like, Bill? 38:36 – Guest answers the question. 38:54 – Panel. 39:00 – Guest says that it is something worth trying. 39:07 – Chuck: Try it you will like it – there is an ATOM plugin, too. 39:36 – Panel: I hate the name visual studio code. 39:43 – Panel. 40:02 – Panel: I know you have some feelings of Graph QL? 40:12 – Guest: It is love in every sense. One day in vacation... 41:14 – Panel: I like it, too. 42:01 – Guest: I haven’t much experience there. I played years ago with Graph QL and it looked encouraging and thought it was hard to build one of those things. To help debug as you are writing them is out of this world! 42:30 – Panel: I can look at the schema in Graph QL, here are the mutations I have available. 42:50 – Panel: The docs are right they can’t be wrong. 43:03 – Guest. 43:38 – Chuck: What are you working on now and what are you struggling with? 43:48 – Guest: None of them are super, super hard but today I am trying to learn how to send... 44:14 – Guest: There are a lot of new things for me like AWS, new technologies and a tight schedule. Trying to get new things done. 44:33 – Chuck: What do I learn next – that is a question that I hear a lot. 44:43 – Guest: Yeah, learning when I need them but the exception is Graph QL for me. Learn things as we go – nothing is too scary b/c there are proof of concepts out there. 45:32 – Chuck: People will ask this when they are trying to work on a project. 45:44 – Guest: I try to learn things on these side projects. I usually bail out before the really hard stuff. 46:00 – Chuck: Picks! 46:14 – Fresh Books! Links: Ruby Elixir Elm Atom.io Flutter.io JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Erlang Guide to Deploy a... YouTube Video – Bill Peregoy GenStage DockYard Article Library Guidelines Avoid Macros VS CODE Elixir LS VS CODIUM Graph QL Absinthe DIRENV HEX DOCS Bill’s GitHub Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Mark Direnv Josh Flutter Bill Distillery Doc Charles Extreme Ownership
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Aaron Frost Christopher Ferdinandi Special Guests: Christopher Buecheler In this episode, the panel talks with Christopher Buecheler who is an author, blogger, web developer, and founder of CloseBrace. The panel and Christopher talk about stepping outside of your comfort zone. With a technological world that is ever changing, it is important to always be learning within your field. Check out today’s episode to learn more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 1:08 – Aimee: Our guest is Christopher Buecheler – tell us about yourself and what you do. 1:22 – Guest: I run a site and help mid-career developers. I put out a weekly newsletter, too. 2:01 – Aimee: It says that you are a fan of “getting comfortable being uncomfortable”? 2:15 – Guest: I am a self-taught developer, so that means I am scrambling to learn new things all the time. You are often faced with learning new things. When I learned React I was dumped into it. The pain and the difficulty are necessary in order to improve. If you aren’t having that experience then you aren’t learning as much as you could be. 3:26 – Aimee: I borrow lessons that I learned from ice-skating to programming. 3:49 – Guest: I started running a few years ago for better health. It was exhausting and miserable at the start and wondered why I was doing it. Now I run 5 times a week, and there is always a level of being uncomfortable, but now it’s apart of the run. It’s an interesting comparison to coding. It’s this idea of pushing through. 5:01 – Aimee: If you are comfortable you probably aren’t growing that much. In our industry you always have to be learning because things change so much! 5:25 – Guest: Yes, exactly. If you are not careful you can miss opportunities. 6:33 – Panel: You have some ideas about frameworks and libraries – one thing that I am always anxious about is being able to make sense of “what are some new trends that I should pay attention to?” I remember interviewing with someone saying: this mobile thing is just a fad. I remember thinking that she is going to miss this opportunity. I am worried that I am going to be THAT guy. How do you figure out what sort of things you should / shouldn’t pay attention to? 7:47 – Guest: It is a super exhausting thing to keep up with – I agree. For me, a lot of what I pay attention to is the technology that has the backing of a multi-million dollar company then that shows that technology isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon. The other thing I would look at is how ACTIVE is the community around it? 9:15 – Panel: Is there a strategic way to approach this? There is so many different directions that you can grow and push yourself within your career? Do you have any kinds of thoughts/tips on how you want your career to evolve? 10:00 – Guest: I am trying to always communicate better to my newsletter audience. Also, a good approach, too, is what are people hiring for? 11:06 – Aimee: Again, I would say: focus on learning. 11:30 – Panel: And I agree with Aimee – “learn it and learn it well!” 12:01 – Panel: I want to ask Chris – what is CloseBrace? 12:17 – Guest: I founded it in November 2016, and started work on it back in 2013. 14:20 – Panel: It was filled with a bunch of buzz worthy words/title. 14:32 – Guest continues his thoughts/comments on CloseBrace. 16:54 – Panel: How is the growth going? 17:00 – Guest: It is growing very well. I put out a massive, massive tutorial course – I wouldn’t necessarily advice that people do this b/c it can be overwhelming. However, growth this year I have focused on marketing. I haven’t shared numbers or anything but it’s increased 500%, and I am happy about it. 18:05 – Panel: Are you keeping in-house? 18:13 – Guest: I think it would be cool to expand, but now it is in-house. I don’t want to borrow Egg Head’s setup. I would love to cover MORE topics, though. 19:05 – Panel: You are only one person. 19:08 – Guest: If I can get the site creating more revenue than I can hire someone to do video editing, etc. 19:35 – Panel: I think you are overthinking it. 19:45 – Guest. 19:47 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 20:47 – Guest. 21:30 – Aimee: There are SO many resources out there right now. Where do you think you fit into this landscape? 21:44 – The landscape is cluttered, but I feel that I am different b/c of my thoroughness. I don’t always explain line by line, but I do say how and why things work. I think also is my VOICE. Not my radio voice, but the tone and the approach you take with it. 23:25 – Panel: I was trying to copy folks in the beginning of my career. And at some point I realized that I needed to find my own style. It always came down to the reasons WHY I am different rather than the similarities. Like, Chris, you have these quick hits on CloseBrace, but some people might feel like they don’t have the time to get through ALL of your content, because it’s a lot. For me, that’s what I love about your content. 24:46 – Christopher: Yeah, it was intentional. 25:36 – Panel: Good for you. 25:49 – Guest: I am super device agnostic: Android, Mac, PC, etc. I have a lot of people from India that are more Microsoft-base. 26:28 – Aimee: I think Egghead is pretty good about this...do you cover testing at all with these things that you are doing? It’s good to do a “Hello World” but most of these sites don’t get into MORE complex pieces. I think that’s where you can get into trouble. It’s nice to have some boiler point testing, too. 27:18 – Guest answers Aimee’s question. 28:43 – Aimee: We work with a consultancy and I asked them to write tests for the things that we work with. That’s the value of the testing. It’s the code that comes out. 29:10 – Panel: Can you explain this to me. Why do I need to write tests? It’s always working (my code) so why do I have to write a test? 29:39 – Guest: When working with AWS I was writing... 31:01 – Aimee: My biggest thing is that I have seen enough that the people don’t value testing are in a very bad place, and the people that value testing are in a good place. It even comes back to the customers, because the code gets so hard that you end up repeatedly releasing bugs. Customers will stop paying their bills if this happens too often for them. 33:00 – Panel: Aimee / Chris do you have a preferred tool? I have done testing before, but not as much as I should be doing. 33:25 – Aimee: I like JEST and PUPPETEER. 33:58 – Guest: I like JEST, too. 34:20 – Aimee: Let’s go to PICKS! 34:35 – Advertisement – eBook: Get a coder job! Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue JEST Puppeteer Podflix Autojump Brutalist Web Design YouTube: Mac Miller Balloon Fiesta DocZ CloseBrace Christopher Buecheler’s Website Christopher Buecheler’s LinkedIn Christopher Buecheler’s GitHub Go Learn Things – Chris Ferdinandi Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Get a Coder Job Picks: Aimee Podflix Chris F. AutoJump Brutalist Web Design Mac Miller Tiny Desk Concert AJ Canada Dry with Lemonade Aaron ABQ Ballon Festival Joe Eames DND Recording Channel Christopher Docz South Reach Trilogy Jeff Vandermeer
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Aaron Frost Christopher Ferdinandi Special Guests: Christopher Buecheler In this episode, the panel talks with Christopher Buecheler who is an author, blogger, web developer, and founder of CloseBrace. The panel and Christopher talk about stepping outside of your comfort zone. With a technological world that is ever changing, it is important to always be learning within your field. Check out today’s episode to learn more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 1:08 – Aimee: Our guest is Christopher Buecheler – tell us about yourself and what you do. 1:22 – Guest: I run a site and help mid-career developers. I put out a weekly newsletter, too. 2:01 – Aimee: It says that you are a fan of “getting comfortable being uncomfortable”? 2:15 – Guest: I am a self-taught developer, so that means I am scrambling to learn new things all the time. You are often faced with learning new things. When I learned React I was dumped into it. The pain and the difficulty are necessary in order to improve. If you aren’t having that experience then you aren’t learning as much as you could be. 3:26 – Aimee: I borrow lessons that I learned from ice-skating to programming. 3:49 – Guest: I started running a few years ago for better health. It was exhausting and miserable at the start and wondered why I was doing it. Now I run 5 times a week, and there is always a level of being uncomfortable, but now it’s apart of the run. It’s an interesting comparison to coding. It’s this idea of pushing through. 5:01 – Aimee: If you are comfortable you probably aren’t growing that much. In our industry you always have to be learning because things change so much! 5:25 – Guest: Yes, exactly. If you are not careful you can miss opportunities. 6:33 – Panel: You have some ideas about frameworks and libraries – one thing that I am always anxious about is being able to make sense of “what are some new trends that I should pay attention to?” I remember interviewing with someone saying: this mobile thing is just a fad. I remember thinking that she is going to miss this opportunity. I am worried that I am going to be THAT guy. How do you figure out what sort of things you should / shouldn’t pay attention to? 7:47 – Guest: It is a super exhausting thing to keep up with – I agree. For me, a lot of what I pay attention to is the technology that has the backing of a multi-million dollar company then that shows that technology isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon. The other thing I would look at is how ACTIVE is the community around it? 9:15 – Panel: Is there a strategic way to approach this? There is so many different directions that you can grow and push yourself within your career? Do you have any kinds of thoughts/tips on how you want your career to evolve? 10:00 – Guest: I am trying to always communicate better to my newsletter audience. Also, a good approach, too, is what are people hiring for? 11:06 – Aimee: Again, I would say: focus on learning. 11:30 – Panel: And I agree with Aimee – “learn it and learn it well!” 12:01 – Panel: I want to ask Chris – what is CloseBrace? 12:17 – Guest: I founded it in November 2016, and started work on it back in 2013. 14:20 – Panel: It was filled with a bunch of buzz worthy words/title. 14:32 – Guest continues his thoughts/comments on CloseBrace. 16:54 – Panel: How is the growth going? 17:00 – Guest: It is growing very well. I put out a massive, massive tutorial course – I wouldn’t necessarily advice that people do this b/c it can be overwhelming. However, growth this year I have focused on marketing. I haven’t shared numbers or anything but it’s increased 500%, and I am happy about it. 18:05 – Panel: Are you keeping in-house? 18:13 – Guest: I think it would be cool to expand, but now it is in-house. I don’t want to borrow Egg Head’s setup. I would love to cover MORE topics, though. 19:05 – Panel: You are only one person. 19:08 – Guest: If I can get the site creating more revenue than I can hire someone to do video editing, etc. 19:35 – Panel: I think you are overthinking it. 19:45 – Guest. 19:47 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 20:47 – Guest. 21:30 – Aimee: There are SO many resources out there right now. Where do you think you fit into this landscape? 21:44 – The landscape is cluttered, but I feel that I am different b/c of my thoroughness. I don’t always explain line by line, but I do say how and why things work. I think also is my VOICE. Not my radio voice, but the tone and the approach you take with it. 23:25 – Panel: I was trying to copy folks in the beginning of my career. And at some point I realized that I needed to find my own style. It always came down to the reasons WHY I am different rather than the similarities. Like, Chris, you have these quick hits on CloseBrace, but some people might feel like they don’t have the time to get through ALL of your content, because it’s a lot. For me, that’s what I love about your content. 24:46 – Christopher: Yeah, it was intentional. 25:36 – Panel: Good for you. 25:49 – Guest: I am super device agnostic: Android, Mac, PC, etc. I have a lot of people from India that are more Microsoft-base. 26:28 – Aimee: I think Egghead is pretty good about this...do you cover testing at all with these things that you are doing? It’s good to do a “Hello World” but most of these sites don’t get into MORE complex pieces. I think that’s where you can get into trouble. It’s nice to have some boiler point testing, too. 27:18 – Guest answers Aimee’s question. 28:43 – Aimee: We work with a consultancy and I asked them to write tests for the things that we work with. That’s the value of the testing. It’s the code that comes out. 29:10 – Panel: Can you explain this to me. Why do I need to write tests? It’s always working (my code) so why do I have to write a test? 29:39 – Guest: When working with AWS I was writing... 31:01 – Aimee: My biggest thing is that I have seen enough that the people don’t value testing are in a very bad place, and the people that value testing are in a good place. It even comes back to the customers, because the code gets so hard that you end up repeatedly releasing bugs. Customers will stop paying their bills if this happens too often for them. 33:00 – Panel: Aimee / Chris do you have a preferred tool? I have done testing before, but not as much as I should be doing. 33:25 – Aimee: I like JEST and PUPPETEER. 33:58 – Guest: I like JEST, too. 34:20 – Aimee: Let’s go to PICKS! 34:35 – Advertisement – eBook: Get a coder job! Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue JEST Puppeteer Podflix Autojump Brutalist Web Design YouTube: Mac Miller Balloon Fiesta DocZ CloseBrace Christopher Buecheler’s Website Christopher Buecheler’s LinkedIn Christopher Buecheler’s GitHub Go Learn Things – Chris Ferdinandi Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Get a Coder Job Picks: Aimee Podflix Chris F. AutoJump Brutalist Web Design Mac Miller Tiny Desk Concert AJ Canada Dry with Lemonade Aaron ABQ Ballon Festival Joe Eames DND Recording Channel Christopher Docz South Reach Trilogy Jeff Vandermeer
Panel: Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Bill Peregoy In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Bill Peregoy who is a software engineer who uses Elixir and loves Graph QL. The panel talks with Bill about his Elixir background, in addition to past and current projects. Check out today’s episode to hear the panel talk about Elixir, Graph QL, code reviews, and much more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 1:07 – Chuck: Tell us who you are and why you are famous? 1:16 – Guest: Here it goes...I have a diverse background. I have a background in hardware and went into software and it got me into Ruby. From there I moved to the software world and in constant contact with a Ruby project. Then I found an Elixir book and thought it was really cool. About a year ago I started working with a consulting company that uses Elixir. They have a cool entrepreneur group. Then about 3 months ago I transferred to another project. 2:41 – Panel: The MBTA? 2:49 – Guest: You thought I was using old crust technology, but they are using new technologies. 3:06 – Panel: You have this hardware background have you looked at NERVES? 3:17 – Guest: I have an interest in it. 3:34 – Let’s talk about deploying Elixir apps. Getting into Elixir might be interesting to talk about? Let’s talk about how you got into Elixir, please. 3:55 – Guest: I had an easy slide into it. The guest talks about how to structure code and how he learned about Elixir. 4:34 – Chuck: Where would have gotten into trouble if you didn’t have that? 4:39 – Guest: ...how do you organize code? It’s a bunch of modules with functions in them. 5:19 – Panel: You mentioned code reviews – and to me that’s how you learn something fast. 5:30 – Guest: I was lucky to have worked with a person who is really picky about code reviews. They were detailed and I learned a lot from him. 5:53 – Panel: I give code reviews, too. What makes a good code review from the receiving end? 6:12 – Guest answers the question. Guest: Don’t write the code for me, but...here is a general direction. 6:37 – Panel: I give the person a wrong review so they have to learn it. 7:00 – Chuck: Would have it been easier if it was a smaller project? 7:10 – Guest: I think it helped that it was a larger project. 7:29 – Chuck: We have talked about deployment and other tools that you’ve used. What I am curious about – you were using AWS and ECS can you talk about that, please? 8:00 – Guest: It was a wild ride for me. We knew we’d have to get there eventually and went for it. We never had deployed an Elixir app before. I had little knowledge with AWS, so there were thousands of new things I was learning in one week. I learned a lot from this guy and he said let’s get the app running, then let’s take it to an RDS, then let’s make sure this and that work. There is a lot going on there, but breaking it down you could figure it out when they came up. It was a lifesaver having his work b/c it would have taken me weeks instead of a few days. 9:28 – Chuck: My wife and I watched The Martian a few days ago. The character said: you solve one problem at a time. 9:47 – Guest: Yes. 10:00 – Guest: The article, “Guide to Deploy a...” 10:20 – Guest: I understood the pieces very well. 10:30 – Panel: Setting up an umbrella project. Is that how you have yours set-up? 10:48 – Guest: Single Phoenix application for me. 11:15 – Panel: Sounds like you were learning a lot of different technologies – any big “AH HA” moments? 11:30 – Guest answers the question. 12:15 – Panel: I like how the Distillery 2.0 Guide and the docker file... 12:30 – Chuck: Walk us through your structure of your talk? 12:39 – Guest: Yes, higher order functions - that’s what I was talking about. Where in the Elixir world you want to pass around functions. I had this idea that I had one task that was very similar but you had to do it multiple times. To do that I defined one piece of code that... It was a way to reuse a lot of code and... 13:51 – Panel: That is a pattern I enjoy using. Instead of using a mocking library I like a function that can direct it. The thing I enjoyed about it was that I could have a test data and a test interface in a production environment. I could create a customer... 15:06 – Guest. 15:44 – Guest: Gen state is pretty awesome. It’s not in Elixir Proper, yet. 16:55 – Chuck: I can see how that is helpful. You have to manage the pipeline on your own. 17:18 – Guest: You can upload a certain number of permits. That can be handled behind the scenes. 17:45 – Panel: Yeah the first state was manage the Q and then... 18:48 – Guest: That is what I am doing right now – one at a time right now. If I need more processing on this one node, I can... 19:20 – Panel: That’s when Elixir feels very powerful. 19:26 – Guest: That’s a talk I have a lot. Ruby is great, but when you dive into OPT in Elixir then it’s amazing. 19:54 – Chuck: We are starting to get there with Elixir. I don’t miss as much stuff with Ruby as I did before. 20:10 – Guest: What libraries I don’t need and I haven’t come across that just yet. 20:44 – Panel asks a question. 20:50 – Guest: I wasn’t directly involved. They are working with predictions for bust lines. And they grab data form many different sources. They are trying to combine all that data and it has been a good solution for them. 21:25 – Panel: Since you have a Ruby background and hardware – what is the Elixir system like for you? 21:41 – Guest: I haven’t come across too many problems. Elixir’s language tends to be smaller – which I like. I think people from JavaScript like having NEW things all of the time. Elixir is done and we are just adding small things here and there. 22:13 – Panel: Yeah, I agree. Elixir is a mature platform right now. 22:45 – Guest: Elixir is very mature – I agree. 23:10 – Panel: I think it being built with care is nice. 23:34 – Guest: I love diving into Elixir and source code. I know exactly what I need. In some Ruby libraries they are so heavily dependent on... 24:05 – Loot Crate! 25:13 – Chuck. 25:40 – Guest. 25:50 – Panel: Being explicit and concise at the same time I don’t feel so bad. 26:00- Chuck: ...I want to know that those are there. If it was – you have to go through all of this ceremony – that’s boilerplate that I feel doesn’t’ add a lot. 26:36 – Panel: Getting out a functional language...being able to see a module and it has every sort of path that I can run is nice. 27:00 – Guest. 27:37 – Panel: I did that a bit for my Rail code. People didn’t like that it wasn’t “normal.” 27:52 – Guest. 28:09 – Panel: Coming into this project where one of the developers likes using MACROS. It’s been a challenge b/c MACROS still let’s you create magic. We talked with Sasha and he queued me to this document and it’s the library guidelines. In the anti-patterns it says: avoid macros. 29:32 – Guest: ...but you should think twice before you dive into macros. 29:50 – Panel: I used macros once to enforce... 30:01 – Panel: What are your feelings on dialyzer – what do you think? 30:15 – Guest: I think it’s the way of the future - I love it. 30:58 – Panel: I am trying VS code and it does incremental dialyzer compilation. 31:27 – Guest: Of course the problem with dialyzer are the error messages. It can be frustrating. 31:40 – Panel. 31:43 – Guest: ...eventually I would figure it out. I went dialyzer front to back on my current project. A month into the project I wasn’t writing new specs, and then I realized I hadn’t done it in awhile, and of course I have a 500 error on the server. Turns out I was... 33:00 – Panel: Yes. I encourage people to... 33:07 – Guest: The way it captures things is that... 33:29 – Panel. 33:42 – Panel: We talked about that on the previous episode. It’s an RC right now, but it’s been helpful. There is a explained option. It will give me an example, I didn’t know how to fix it but... 34:14 – Guest: It can help you write simpler code. 34:47 – Panel. 34:52 – Guest: With an Elm background I think it helped me. 35:13 – Panel. 35:45 – Guest: My dream world would be... 35:55 – Panel: Josh, how does it do it? 36:03 – Panel: What is Elixir LS? 36:09 – Panel answers the question. 36:50 – Panel: I have used ATOM as an editor...how do you like visual studio code? 37:01 – Panel answers the question. 37:38 – Panel: I have used FLUTTER. 37:44 – Chuck: I like it. 38:20 – Chuck talks about Flutter and the advantages of it. 38:34 – Guest: What editors do you like, Bill? 38:36 – Guest answers the question. 38:54 – Panel. 39:00 – Guest says that it is something worth trying. 39:07 – Chuck: Try it you will like it – there is an ATOM plugin, too. 39:36 – Panel: I hate the name visual studio code. 39:43 – Panel. 40:02 – Panel: I know you have some feelings of Graph QL? 40:12 – Guest: It is love in every sense. One day in vacation... 41:14 – Panel: I like it, too. 42:01 – Guest: I haven’t much experience there. I played years ago with Graph QL and it looked encouraging and thought it was hard to build one of those things. To help debug as you are writing them is out of this world! 42:30 – Panel: I can look at the schema in Graph QL, here are the mutations I have available. 42:50 – Panel: The docs are right they can’t be wrong. 43:03 – Guest. 43:38 – Chuck: What are you working on now and what are you struggling with? 43:48 – Guest: None of them are super, super hard but today I am trying to learn how to send... 44:14 – Guest: There are a lot of new things for me like AWS, new technologies and a tight schedule. Trying to get new things done. 44:33 – Chuck: What do I learn next – that is a question that I hear a lot. 44:43 – Guest: Yeah, learning when I need them but the exception is Graph QL for me. Learn things as we go – nothing is too scary b/c there are proof of concepts out there. 45:32 – Chuck: People will ask this when they are trying to work on a project. 45:44 – Guest: I try to learn things on these side projects. I usually bail out before the really hard stuff. 46:00 – Chuck: Picks! 46:14 – Fresh Books! Links: Ruby Elixir Elm Atom.io Flutter.io JavaScript Visual Studio Code React Erlang Guide to Deploy a... YouTube Video – Bill Peregoy GenStage DockYard Article Library Guidelines Avoid Macros VS CODE Elixir LS VS CODIUM Graph QL Absinthe DIRENV HEX DOCS Bill’s GitHub Sponsors: Loot Crate Get a Coder Job! Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Mark Direnv Josh Flutter Bill Distillery Doc Charles Extreme Ownership
Panel: Aimee Knight AJ O’Neal Aaron Frost Christopher Ferdinandi Special Guests: Christopher Buecheler In this episode, the panel talks with Christopher Buecheler who is an author, blogger, web developer, and founder of CloseBrace. The panel and Christopher talk about stepping outside of your comfort zone. With a technological world that is ever changing, it is important to always be learning within your field. Check out today’s episode to learn more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI 1:08 – Aimee: Our guest is Christopher Buecheler – tell us about yourself and what you do. 1:22 – Guest: I run a site and help mid-career developers. I put out a weekly newsletter, too. 2:01 – Aimee: It says that you are a fan of “getting comfortable being uncomfortable”? 2:15 – Guest: I am a self-taught developer, so that means I am scrambling to learn new things all the time. You are often faced with learning new things. When I learned React I was dumped into it. The pain and the difficulty are necessary in order to improve. If you aren’t having that experience then you aren’t learning as much as you could be. 3:26 – Aimee: I borrow lessons that I learned from ice-skating to programming. 3:49 – Guest: I started running a few years ago for better health. It was exhausting and miserable at the start and wondered why I was doing it. Now I run 5 times a week, and there is always a level of being uncomfortable, but now it’s apart of the run. It’s an interesting comparison to coding. It’s this idea of pushing through. 5:01 – Aimee: If you are comfortable you probably aren’t growing that much. In our industry you always have to be learning because things change so much! 5:25 – Guest: Yes, exactly. If you are not careful you can miss opportunities. 6:33 – Panel: You have some ideas about frameworks and libraries – one thing that I am always anxious about is being able to make sense of “what are some new trends that I should pay attention to?” I remember interviewing with someone saying: this mobile thing is just a fad. I remember thinking that she is going to miss this opportunity. I am worried that I am going to be THAT guy. How do you figure out what sort of things you should / shouldn’t pay attention to? 7:47 – Guest: It is a super exhausting thing to keep up with – I agree. For me, a lot of what I pay attention to is the technology that has the backing of a multi-million dollar company then that shows that technology isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon. The other thing I would look at is how ACTIVE is the community around it? 9:15 – Panel: Is there a strategic way to approach this? There is so many different directions that you can grow and push yourself within your career? Do you have any kinds of thoughts/tips on how you want your career to evolve? 10:00 – Guest: I am trying to always communicate better to my newsletter audience. Also, a good approach, too, is what are people hiring for? 11:06 – Aimee: Again, I would say: focus on learning. 11:30 – Panel: And I agree with Aimee – “learn it and learn it well!” 12:01 – Panel: I want to ask Chris – what is CloseBrace? 12:17 – Guest: I founded it in November 2016, and started work on it back in 2013. 14:20 – Panel: It was filled with a bunch of buzz worthy words/title. 14:32 – Guest continues his thoughts/comments on CloseBrace. 16:54 – Panel: How is the growth going? 17:00 – Guest: It is growing very well. I put out a massive, massive tutorial course – I wouldn’t necessarily advice that people do this b/c it can be overwhelming. However, growth this year I have focused on marketing. I haven’t shared numbers or anything but it’s increased 500%, and I am happy about it. 18:05 – Panel: Are you keeping in-house? 18:13 – Guest: I think it would be cool to expand, but now it is in-house. I don’t want to borrow Egg Head’s setup. I would love to cover MORE topics, though. 19:05 – Panel: You are only one person. 19:08 – Guest: If I can get the site creating more revenue than I can hire someone to do video editing, etc. 19:35 – Panel: I think you are overthinking it. 19:45 – Guest. 19:47 – Advertisement – Sentry.io 20:47 – Guest. 21:30 – Aimee: There are SO many resources out there right now. Where do you think you fit into this landscape? 21:44 – The landscape is cluttered, but I feel that I am different b/c of my thoroughness. I don’t always explain line by line, but I do say how and why things work. I think also is my VOICE. Not my radio voice, but the tone and the approach you take with it. 23:25 – Panel: I was trying to copy folks in the beginning of my career. And at some point I realized that I needed to find my own style. It always came down to the reasons WHY I am different rather than the similarities. Like, Chris, you have these quick hits on CloseBrace, but some people might feel like they don’t have the time to get through ALL of your content, because it’s a lot. For me, that’s what I love about your content. 24:46 – Christopher: Yeah, it was intentional. 25:36 – Panel: Good for you. 25:49 – Guest: I am super device agnostic: Android, Mac, PC, etc. I have a lot of people from India that are more Microsoft-base. 26:28 – Aimee: I think Egghead is pretty good about this...do you cover testing at all with these things that you are doing? It’s good to do a “Hello World” but most of these sites don’t get into MORE complex pieces. I think that’s where you can get into trouble. It’s nice to have some boiler point testing, too. 27:18 – Guest answers Aimee’s question. 28:43 – Aimee: We work with a consultancy and I asked them to write tests for the things that we work with. That’s the value of the testing. It’s the code that comes out. 29:10 – Panel: Can you explain this to me. Why do I need to write tests? It’s always working (my code) so why do I have to write a test? 29:39 – Guest: When working with AWS I was writing... 31:01 – Aimee: My biggest thing is that I have seen enough that the people don’t value testing are in a very bad place, and the people that value testing are in a good place. It even comes back to the customers, because the code gets so hard that you end up repeatedly releasing bugs. Customers will stop paying their bills if this happens too often for them. 33:00 – Panel: Aimee / Chris do you have a preferred tool? I have done testing before, but not as much as I should be doing. 33:25 – Aimee: I like JEST and PUPPETEER. 33:58 – Guest: I like JEST, too. 34:20 – Aimee: Let’s go to PICKS! 34:35 – Advertisement – eBook: Get a coder job! Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue JEST Puppeteer Podflix Autojump Brutalist Web Design YouTube: Mac Miller Balloon Fiesta DocZ CloseBrace Christopher Buecheler’s Website Christopher Buecheler’s LinkedIn Christopher Buecheler’s GitHub Go Learn Things – Chris Ferdinandi Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Get a Coder Job Picks: Aimee Podflix Chris F. AutoJump Brutalist Web Design Mac Miller Tiny Desk Concert AJ Canada Dry with Lemonade Aaron ABQ Ballon Festival Joe Eames DND Recording Channel Christopher Docz South Reach Trilogy Jeff Vandermeer
Panel: Joe Eames John Papa Eric Dietrich Special Guest: Peter Mbanugo In this episode, the panel talks with Peter Mbanugo who is a software developer, tech writer, and maker of Hamoni Sync. He currently works with Field Intelligence, where he helps build logistic and supply chain apps. He also gets involved in design research and customer support for these products. He's also a contributor to Hoodie and a member of the Offline-First community. You can follow him on Twitter. Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 1:12 – Eric: You, Peter, write a really interesting article. How did you come to write that blog? Tell me about yourself. 1:29 – (Peter talks about his blog and his current projects.) 2:18 – Eric: Tell us about the blog! 2:25 – Peter: I talk about real-time synchronization and why you need it for data. You can use the websocket API and other applications. 3:29 – Panel: Let’s take a step back. It could be helpful to know: what problem were you trying to solve with real-time data? 4:14 – Panel: So multiple client browsers? You are editing in one browser and the data is showing up in the other? You mentioned websockets and others – could you talk about WHY you didn’t go with the other ones? 4:45 – (Peter answers the question.) 6:08 – Panel: So you created Hamoni Sync, and when did you start it? 6:20 – Peter: Yes, and I wrote it in March. I used real-time systems. 6:52 – Panel: What does it mean? 6:55 – (Peter answers.) 7:07 – Panel: Looks like it’s reasonably priced, too. 7:33 – Panel: Let me ask you this. How easy is it to get up and running using this on a Vue project? 7:45 – Peter. 8:34 – Panel: You have to install through your dashboard, then... 8:46 – Peter. 8:53 – Panel: You mentioned earlier that you shouldn’t websocket API right now? 9:04 – Peter: Not all users would have a browser that would support that. 9:39 – Panel: Hamoni handles all of that for you, which is nice. So it has a simple API to use. You started in March – is this your fulltime job...or? 10:08 – Peter: I started a new job 2 months ago, so now it’s part-time. 10:20 – Panel: You can use with any JavaScript library? 10:24 – Peter. 10:31 – Panel: Why did you do a tutorial in Vue and not in Angular or React? 10:37 – Peter: I do have one in React, and then... 10:54 – Panel: How do you like Vue so far? 10:55 – Peter. 11:15- Panel: The simplicity of Vue and you can take an older app and you can switch it over and not worry about jQuery and just go from there. Angular one days and instead of Angular 2+ or 6 now – Vue is an easy upgrade transition for sure. 11:47 – Peter. 11:51 – Panel: Walk us through how an app would work with this? 12:09 – Peter: When you connect you... 12:40 – Panel: What server is the data going to? 12:46 – Peter. 12:51 – Peter: I have a cloud service. 13:00 – Panel: How do they still get performance if there are a lot of people on at the same time? 13:06 – Peter. 13:17 – Panel: It handles all of the scaling? 13:23 – (Panelist walks through the process.) 13:44 – Peter: No scaling issues, yet. 14:05 – Peter: I haven’t launched, yet, through Product Hunt. 14:20 – Peter: The plan is to do that next month or middle of next month? 14:33 – Panel: Maybe once this podcast launches – that’s cool. What other apps can use real-time? Like a chat room is obvious when they are learning with socket IO. Is this beyond Vue? 15:07 – Peter: Yeah, in general it could be used for real-time chat applications and... 15:21 – Panel: Stock market updates? 15:28 – Peter: Yes. No, not animals. Maybe games for multi-player games. For chat room application. 18:45 – Panel: Demopuppy.com 19:11 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 20:00 – Peter: Related to the blog we have covered it well. Why you would use real-time and the different ways you can do it with websocket. 20:23 – Panel: You are in Nigeria? 20:24 – Peter: Yes. 20:27 – Panel: How is Vue.js in Nigeria – do you have Meetups? 20:44 – Peter: I think the tech scene is doing quite well. Mainly Angular and others use other frameworks. 22:08 – Panel: Conference and asking for people to contribute? (Yes.) That sounds great for an active community. Getting hard jobs in tech is hard but maybe hard in specific places. 22:39 – Peter: It is great the great one for React b/c of the popularity in React. React or Angular; one of the two. 23:12 – Panel: If you know your stuff you are good to go? 23:19 – Peter: Yes. Microsoft’s .NET is quite stable. 23:37 – Panel: You are starting a startup is that common in Nigeria? 23:49 – Peter: The startup is small actually. 24:37 – Panel: Are you in the capitol? (Yes.) There is a misconception there that people think you have to be in the California or bay area, and you can see that it’s not true. You can create cool things no matter where you are! 25:08 – Peter: It’s great to see the diversity. 25:14 – Panel: I think it’s cool what you are doing. I am glad you wrote an article. What is HospitalRun? 25:42 – Peter: It’s a hospital management system to work offline first. To use them in remote areas where there is no connectivity. 27:08 – Panel: It’s an opensource project – Hospital.io. You are more the maintainer of the frontend right? 28:05 – Peter: Yes. 28:11 – Panel: A lot of hospitals are using this and need contributors and if you want to have a real difference check it out. What do you do as the maintainer are you reviewing code requests? 28:40 – Peter. 28:56 – Panel: Ember.js? 29:00 – Peter: No, I am being dumped into Ember into the deep-end. 29:20 – Panel: I think we are going to go to our picks now? How can 29:30 – Peter: Twitter and email. Check out the show notes! 29:50 – Panel: Picks! 29:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React Angular JavaScript DevChat TV Can I Use Websocket? Demopuppy.com HospitalRun.io What are the best tools for automating social media growth? Peter Mbanugo’s Twitter Peter Mbanugo’s Email: p.mbanugo@yahoo.com Peter’s blogs Vue Mastery Hoodie Meetups Hamoni Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Joe Dungeon and Dragons recordings coming soon on YouTube Blog - Good Bye Redux John Talk like a pirate day I Can Use Product Hunt Vue Mastery Peter Hoodie Vue Dev Tools Ego is the Enemy Eric Halt and Catch fire Vue.JS in Action
Panel: Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Special Guests: Alexey Ivanov and Andy Barnov In this episode, the panelists talk with Alexey Ivanov and Andy Barnov. They all discuss Alexey’s article titled: “Optimizing React Virtual DOM.” Listen to today’s episode to hear all the details about this article, the guests’ backgrounds and much, much more! Show Topics: 0:32 – Panel: Thanks for joining us and talking about this article. 0:52 – Guest: Thanks for having us on your podcast! The guest talks about his community of developers and the offices are in San Francisco, Russia and other places. He talks about how the company helps their customers and how they can scale. Some of their companies are Groupon and Ebay. 2:39 – Alexey. 3:09 – Panel: The article is here. What is JSX how does it boil down to? It’s all supposed to help people and help them understand. 3:45 – Alexey: It’s about how to structure your state, etc. 4:15 – Panel: This keeps things small. He said when I have one idea I write a song and when I have 2 ideas I write 2 songs. If you try to put too many ideas into one post it maybe won’t go too far. 4:48 – Alexey. 5:50 – Panel. 5:56 – Panel: That’s a topic for another episode. The article is interesting in that the large percentage don’t think about rendering performance, so it’s a needed piece of content. Let’s talk about – what is the React Virtual DOM? 6:32 – Alexey goes into detail with his answer to the panelist’s question. 8:50 – Panel: What I like about this article is that you go through a good progression: here is the JSX that you would write and here is the trans piled function is. And you show the virtual DOM pre-presentation is. I think that is a helpful thing. Let’s talk about that. How does React change to those things when it’s rendering? 9:50 – Alexey. 12:58 – Panel: Okay to recap...when you are rendering an element you write some JSX and the first thing (component) that will map over to the type property is for the Virtual DOM object? And then all of that is compared – when does that happen, the comparison? 13:28 – Alexey: You have React and you create... 15:20 – Panel: So it’s both React and set state these are the only 2 things that triggered state or is there anything else out there? 15:31 – Alexey. 15:47 – Panel: Interesting. You talked about the imperative way we did it before – and it’s much simpler to say what you want, but a question is that is there any world case where it does not work well? What are the trade-offs? Have you ever encountered one? 16:34 – Alexey: If you have changes in the browse, implementations...it’s simplest and easiest way. You just need to have some little changes... 17:53 – Panel: If it’s basic then you don’t have to do manual updates. 18:03 – Alexey. Alexey: To make it work you need competence in your bundle. 18:36 – Panel: I’ve heard – haven’t worked with – when we have these projects that are really web time based, hundreds of elements in real time on a screen, on a Virtual DOM it’s too slow. You have to be precise. They had performance issues, I’m sure 98.99% of the applications probably perform better with the Virtual DOM. 19:46 – Alexey. 21:38 – Panel: That is to reduce the amount of state changes so you are reducing the amount of time it renders – right? 21:50 – Alexey. 22:03 – FRESH BOOKS! 23:11 – Panel: We talked about how type is the first thing that is checked. It does equal comparison to compare these types. What was really interesting is that class components are the same thing but not so. Is it always going to re-render for those components? 24:24 – Alexey: We have to talk about 2 things about this first. In my article... 27:49 – Panel: That is a beneficial tool too to control your rendering. You talked about tools to show updates and we will include the link to the article in the links, also I would read it and check out that particular function. It’s cool to see HOW it’s actually rendering. 28:29 – Panel: Apparently sometimes things help us in principle cause we need performance. We need to open the tools and understand what is happening? Is it really a bottleneck like I think it is? One of those Twitter things I saw a few months ago... 30:52 – Alexey: Yes, do what makes sense to you at the time. 32:08 – Panel: We talked about render performance and the pure component and not creating functions...you have a big quote in your article... I have a big question for me: You have a component, and there is a child / parent component. I am curious about that pattern – will it re-render every time? Tell us your thoughts, please. 33:16 – Alexey. 34:11 – Panel: My only issue with the render props is not a performance issue it’s more of an architectural issue. Sometimes we want things to be interjected. I want to have access to this or that. Sometimes we want to access those on a life cycle. The higher the component makes it easier to add a... That’s my only complaint about render comps. 35:35 – Alexey. 36:00 – Panel: Like composing consumers? 36:06 – Alexey: What we are talking about is... 37:00 – Panel: I agree. There are some interesting cases with that pattern when you have a lot of those chained together – function, function, etc. – there are some components that will help you compose... 37:34 – Panel: It’s like callback hell all over again. Everything is a tradeoff somewhere. After the tree it looks clean with render props. I like it even with the drawbacks. 38:25 – Panel: You spent some time talking about lists of children and how you (if one of the children are removed) then it ends up re rendering all the children cause it’s comparing their positions. You mentioned key is one way to deal with that. Let’s talk about keys. When people use keys they are using an array of an index. It seems like it defeats the purpose of it – is that right? 39:20 – Alexey: Yes, you are right. 40:19 – Panel: I think that continually and it’s a smaller known thing but people want this key error to go away and they just shove something in there. To some extent it’s good to know if your tool requires something it’s good to know WHY it requires that. 40:52 – Panel: Last question. Is that the person to program and be a web developer and they are learning React. This is the tool and they are learning how to use React for an app then when we are throwing articles at them. If they are learning React and these articles are at them I think it’s a cognitive overload. What are your thoughts / advice? 42:07 – Guest: How beginner should you be before you learn React? Ideally you should be aware of JavaScript, right? Sometimes people do this to catch up to something shiny. This is just my 2 cents. 43:03 – Alexey. 44:49 – Panel: When you are going to hire someone to do something or choose a framework always try to do a little bit of work without it. Try to build an application w/o React, and then React is introduced to you, you will only see the benefits that they are brining. One thing that happens inside the React world is that people don’t write an application... Start with the basic building blocks – that makes sense to me. 46:05 – Panel: Let’s go to picks! 46:13 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! Links: Ruby on Rails Angular JavaScript Elm Phoenix GitHub React: The Virtual DOM Elixir and Phoenix Bootcamp Alexey Ivanov’s Twitter Andy Barnov’s Twitter Rob Pike’s YouTube Video Understanding Comics Understanding Comics – Book Get A Coder Job Charles Max Wood’s Twitter Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Fresh Books Kendo UI Picks: Lucas Check your room for sound Andy Go Programming Language Alexey Understanding comics Justin The Complete Elixir and Phoenix Bootcamp
Panel: Joe Eames John Papa Eric Dietrich Special Guest: Peter Mbanugo In this episode, the panel talks with Peter Mbanugo who is a software developer, tech writer, and maker of Hamoni Sync. He currently works with Field Intelligence, where he helps build logistic and supply chain apps. He also gets involved in design research and customer support for these products. He's also a contributor to Hoodie and a member of the Offline-First community. You can follow him on Twitter. Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement – Kendo UI 1:12 – Eric: You, Peter, write a really interesting article. How did you come to write that blog? Tell me about yourself. 1:29 – (Peter talks about his blog and his current projects.) 2:18 – Eric: Tell us about the blog! 2:25 – Peter: I talk about real-time synchronization and why you need it for data. You can use the websocket API and other applications. 3:29 – Panel: Let’s take a step back. It could be helpful to know: what problem were you trying to solve with real-time data? 4:14 – Panel: So multiple client browsers? You are editing in one browser and the data is showing up in the other? You mentioned websockets and others – could you talk about WHY you didn’t go with the other ones? 4:45 – (Peter answers the question.) 6:08 – Panel: So you created Hamoni Sync, and when did you start it? 6:20 – Peter: Yes, and I wrote it in March. I used real-time systems. 6:52 – Panel: What does it mean? 6:55 – (Peter answers.) 7:07 – Panel: Looks like it’s reasonably priced, too. 7:33 – Panel: Let me ask you this. How easy is it to get up and running using this on a Vue project? 7:45 – Peter. 8:34 – Panel: You have to install through your dashboard, then... 8:46 – Peter. 8:53 – Panel: You mentioned earlier that you shouldn’t websocket API right now? 9:04 – Peter: Not all users would have a browser that would support that. 9:39 – Panel: Hamoni handles all of that for you, which is nice. So it has a simple API to use. You started in March – is this your fulltime job...or? 10:08 – Peter: I started a new job 2 months ago, so now it’s part-time. 10:20 – Panel: You can use with any JavaScript library? 10:24 – Peter. 10:31 – Panel: Why did you do a tutorial in Vue and not in Angular or React? 10:37 – Peter: I do have one in React, and then... 10:54 – Panel: How do you like Vue so far? 10:55 – Peter. 11:15- Panel: The simplicity of Vue and you can take an older app and you can switch it over and not worry about jQuery and just go from there. Angular one days and instead of Angular 2+ or 6 now – Vue is an easy upgrade transition for sure. 11:47 – Peter. 11:51 – Panel: Walk us through how an app would work with this? 12:09 – Peter: When you connect you... 12:40 – Panel: What server is the data going to? 12:46 – Peter. 12:51 – Peter: I have a cloud service. 13:00 – Panel: How do they still get performance if there are a lot of people on at the same time? 13:06 – Peter. 13:17 – Panel: It handles all of the scaling? 13:23 – (Panelist walks through the process.) 13:44 – Peter: No scaling issues, yet. 14:05 – Peter: I haven’t launched, yet, through Product Hunt. 14:20 – Peter: The plan is to do that next month or middle of next month? 14:33 – Panel: Maybe once this podcast launches – that’s cool. What other apps can use real-time? Like a chat room is obvious when they are learning with socket IO. Is this beyond Vue? 15:07 – Peter: Yeah, in general it could be used for real-time chat applications and... 15:21 – Panel: Stock market updates? 15:28 – Peter: Yes. No, not animals. Maybe games for multi-player games. For chat room application. 18:45 – Panel: Demopuppy.com 19:11 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! 20:00 – Peter: Related to the blog we have covered it well. Why you would use real-time and the different ways you can do it with websocket. 20:23 – Panel: You are in Nigeria? 20:24 – Peter: Yes. 20:27 – Panel: How is Vue.js in Nigeria – do you have Meetups? 20:44 – Peter: I think the tech scene is doing quite well. Mainly Angular and others use other frameworks. 22:08 – Panel: Conference and asking for people to contribute? (Yes.) That sounds great for an active community. Getting hard jobs in tech is hard but maybe hard in specific places. 22:39 – Peter: It is great the great one for React b/c of the popularity in React. React or Angular; one of the two. 23:12 – Panel: If you know your stuff you are good to go? 23:19 – Peter: Yes. Microsoft’s .NET is quite stable. 23:37 – Panel: You are starting a startup is that common in Nigeria? 23:49 – Peter: The startup is small actually. 24:37 – Panel: Are you in the capitol? (Yes.) There is a misconception there that people think you have to be in the California or bay area, and you can see that it’s not true. You can create cool things no matter where you are! 25:08 – Peter: It’s great to see the diversity. 25:14 – Panel: I think it’s cool what you are doing. I am glad you wrote an article. What is HospitalRun? 25:42 – Peter: It’s a hospital management system to work offline first. To use them in remote areas where there is no connectivity. 27:08 – Panel: It’s an opensource project – Hospital.io. You are more the maintainer of the frontend right? 28:05 – Peter: Yes. 28:11 – Panel: A lot of hospitals are using this and need contributors and if you want to have a real difference check it out. What do you do as the maintainer are you reviewing code requests? 28:40 – Peter. 28:56 – Panel: Ember.js? 29:00 – Peter: No, I am being dumped into Ember into the deep-end. 29:20 – Panel: I think we are going to go to our picks now? How can 29:30 – Peter: Twitter and email. Check out the show notes! 29:50 – Panel: Picks! 29:58 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! DEVCHAT code. 30-day trial. Links: Vue React Angular JavaScript DevChat TV Can I Use Websocket? Demopuppy.com HospitalRun.io What are the best tools for automating social media growth? Peter Mbanugo’s Twitter Peter Mbanugo’s Email: p.mbanugo@yahoo.com Peter’s blogs Vue Mastery Hoodie Meetups Hamoni Sponsors: Fresh Books Cache Fly Kendo UI Get A Coder Job! Picks: Joe Dungeon and Dragons recordings coming soon on YouTube Blog - Good Bye Redux John Talk like a pirate day I Can Use Product Hunt Vue Mastery Peter Hoodie Vue Dev Tools Ego is the Enemy Eric Halt and Catch fire Vue.JS in Action
Panel: Lucas Reis Justin Bennett Special Guests: Alexey Ivanov and Andy Barnov In this episode, the panelists talk with Alexey Ivanov and Andy Barnov. They all discuss Alexey’s article titled: “Optimizing React Virtual DOM.” Listen to today’s episode to hear all the details about this article, the guests’ backgrounds and much, much more! Show Topics: 0:32 – Panel: Thanks for joining us and talking about this article. 0:52 – Guest: Thanks for having us on your podcast! The guest talks about his community of developers and the offices are in San Francisco, Russia and other places. He talks about how the company helps their customers and how they can scale. Some of their companies are Groupon and Ebay. 2:39 – Alexey. 3:09 – Panel: The article is here. What is JSX how does it boil down to? It’s all supposed to help people and help them understand. 3:45 – Alexey: It’s about how to structure your state, etc. 4:15 – Panel: This keeps things small. He said when I have one idea I write a song and when I have 2 ideas I write 2 songs. If you try to put too many ideas into one post it maybe won’t go too far. 4:48 – Alexey. 5:50 – Panel. 5:56 – Panel: That’s a topic for another episode. The article is interesting in that the large percentage don’t think about rendering performance, so it’s a needed piece of content. Let’s talk about – what is the React Virtual DOM? 6:32 – Alexey goes into detail with his answer to the panelist’s question. 8:50 – Panel: What I like about this article is that you go through a good progression: here is the JSX that you would write and here is the trans piled function is. And you show the virtual DOM pre-presentation is. I think that is a helpful thing. Let’s talk about that. How does React change to those things when it’s rendering? 9:50 – Alexey. 12:58 – Panel: Okay to recap...when you are rendering an element you write some JSX and the first thing (component) that will map over to the type property is for the Virtual DOM object? And then all of that is compared – when does that happen, the comparison? 13:28 – Alexey: You have React and you create... 15:20 – Panel: So it’s both React and set state these are the only 2 things that triggered state or is there anything else out there? 15:31 – Alexey. 15:47 – Panel: Interesting. You talked about the imperative way we did it before – and it’s much simpler to say what you want, but a question is that is there any world case where it does not work well? What are the trade-offs? Have you ever encountered one? 16:34 – Alexey: If you have changes in the browse, implementations...it’s simplest and easiest way. You just need to have some little changes... 17:53 – Panel: If it’s basic then you don’t have to do manual updates. 18:03 – Alexey. Alexey: To make it work you need competence in your bundle. 18:36 – Panel: I’ve heard – haven’t worked with – when we have these projects that are really web time based, hundreds of elements in real time on a screen, on a Virtual DOM it’s too slow. You have to be precise. They had performance issues, I’m sure 98.99% of the applications probably perform better with the Virtual DOM. 19:46 – Alexey. 21:38 – Panel: That is to reduce the amount of state changes so you are reducing the amount of time it renders – right? 21:50 – Alexey. 22:03 – FRESH BOOKS! 23:11 – Panel: We talked about how type is the first thing that is checked. It does equal comparison to compare these types. What was really interesting is that class components are the same thing but not so. Is it always going to re-render for those components? 24:24 – Alexey: We have to talk about 2 things about this first. In my article... 27:49 – Panel: That is a beneficial tool too to control your rendering. You talked about tools to show updates and we will include the link to the article in the links, also I would read it and check out that particular function. It’s cool to see HOW it’s actually rendering. 28:29 – Panel: Apparently sometimes things help us in principle cause we need performance. We need to open the tools and understand what is happening? Is it really a bottleneck like I think it is? One of those Twitter things I saw a few months ago... 30:52 – Alexey: Yes, do what makes sense to you at the time. 32:08 – Panel: We talked about render performance and the pure component and not creating functions...you have a big quote in your article... I have a big question for me: You have a component, and there is a child / parent component. I am curious about that pattern – will it re-render every time? Tell us your thoughts, please. 33:16 – Alexey. 34:11 – Panel: My only issue with the render props is not a performance issue it’s more of an architectural issue. Sometimes we want things to be interjected. I want to have access to this or that. Sometimes we want to access those on a life cycle. The higher the component makes it easier to add a... That’s my only complaint about render comps. 35:35 – Alexey. 36:00 – Panel: Like composing consumers? 36:06 – Alexey: What we are talking about is... 37:00 – Panel: I agree. There are some interesting cases with that pattern when you have a lot of those chained together – function, function, etc. – there are some components that will help you compose... 37:34 – Panel: It’s like callback hell all over again. Everything is a tradeoff somewhere. After the tree it looks clean with render props. I like it even with the drawbacks. 38:25 – Panel: You spent some time talking about lists of children and how you (if one of the children are removed) then it ends up re rendering all the children cause it’s comparing their positions. You mentioned key is one way to deal with that. Let’s talk about keys. When people use keys they are using an array of an index. It seems like it defeats the purpose of it – is that right? 39:20 – Alexey: Yes, you are right. 40:19 – Panel: I think that continually and it’s a smaller known thing but people want this key error to go away and they just shove something in there. To some extent it’s good to know if your tool requires something it’s good to know WHY it requires that. 40:52 – Panel: Last question. Is that the person to program and be a web developer and they are learning React. This is the tool and they are learning how to use React for an app then when we are throwing articles at them. If they are learning React and these articles are at them I think it’s a cognitive overload. What are your thoughts / advice? 42:07 – Guest: How beginner should you be before you learn React? Ideally you should be aware of JavaScript, right? Sometimes people do this to catch up to something shiny. This is just my 2 cents. 43:03 – Alexey. 44:49 – Panel: When you are going to hire someone to do something or choose a framework always try to do a little bit of work without it. Try to build an application w/o React, and then React is introduced to you, you will only see the benefits that they are brining. One thing that happens inside the React world is that people don’t write an application... Start with the basic building blocks – that makes sense to me. 46:05 – Panel: Let’s go to picks! 46:13 – Advertisement – Get A Coder Job! Links: Ruby on Rails Angular JavaScript Elm Phoenix GitHub React: The Virtual DOM Elixir and Phoenix Bootcamp Alexey Ivanov’s Twitter Andy Barnov’s Twitter Rob Pike’s YouTube Video Understanding Comics Understanding Comics – Book Get A Coder Job Charles Max Wood’s Twitter Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Cache Fly Fresh Books Kendo UI Picks: Lucas Check your room for sound Andy Go Programming Language Alexey Understanding comics Justin The Complete Elixir and Phoenix Bootcamp
Panel: Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Sasa Juric In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Sasa Juric who is the author of Elixir in Action (2nd edition) and uses Elixir, Erlang, and OTP. He is from Zagreb, Croatia and you can check out his blog here! The panel talks about his book, past and current projects, in addition to configurations, and Elixir. Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:50 – Chuck: Panel. Our guest is Sasa Juric. Introduce yourself to us please. 1:12 – Guest: I am known for writing my book and my blogs. I am president to the Elixir forum and helping people out. I have been using Elixir for 5 years; in the past I have used C++ and others. 1:46 – Chuck: App env and configuration and sounds like we could talk about more. Let’s start there, though. 1:59 – Guest. 2:03 – Panel: A little background with configuration b/c it’s been a topic in the community. There is a lot of discussion around it. What is the right way? And there is a change in how we deploy software. We have more docker containers and multiple stages of deployment and tons of configurations through environment settings. Anything you can talk about that? 2:51 – (Guest answers those questions. He discusses in detail about docker configurations. Also, the guest talks about the various settings per the different environments.) 7:25 – Panel: That was a thorough summary. 7:29 – Guest: I can talk more. 7:35 – Panel: So we have background on configuration is setup and the goals we have. What are some of the ways that a person with Elixir – how do they start? Tips / advice? They have their app and trying to go to production? 8:22 – (Guest answers the question.) Guest: 90% of the time, this is what you want to do. This is what you do...build it and put it in the folder structure, and you are good to go. Why is this good? You don’t have to have a bunch of... If you are using Phoenix than you need Node.js and you don’t want to have that on your production. You can easily run side-by-side different versions of Erlang and Phoenix. 11:40 – Panel: You can do that in a single docker file? 11:47 – Guest. 11:51 – Panel: You just copy the files... 11:56 – Panel: I learned I could do that by the distiller 2.0...I hadn’t encountered that before. 12:11 – Guest: Look into the distillery. I want to give compliments to Paul and the team is great. Go to Distillery and see the tutorials. 12:37 – Panel: People think I don’t want to use docker there is an option.... 13:01 – Guest. 13:04 – Chuck: Different types of configuration? 13:13 – Guest: Right this discussion too which is probably talking about my blog post, and I have this wild thought about configurations. We can discuss the issues and different solutions. We have these configurations files and they contain these time various configurations and... There is usually more than 1 configuration file. 17:53 – Panel: You only get agreement. I have had that problem, too, saying what is this configuration? What are THE Settings that are present and yeah that is a problem? You identify these problems in your blog, where it’s not checked in and the code will not... I have had to work around that in my projects. We are going to create a sample project and it will have defaults. So we can improve the situation. 18:45 – Panel: Class based configurations – I get angry. 19:05 – Guest: I try to challenge this status quo. Some people agree and others disagree. Some say this blanket statement. 19:54 – Loot Crate! 20:47 – Guest: Another thing to note is that configurations are free form key values. Remember, my point is that it boils down to some function being involved with these values. (Guest continues...) 23:36 – What is your direction that you are proposing? 23:40 – Guest: We are going to discuss other issues. 23:49 – Panel: As background, as apart of that whole configuration in those distillery docs... 24:41 – What is the next step in the discussion? 24:48 – Guest: Let’s take a step back. (Guest talks about Distillery 2.0.) 27:09 – Guest continues... 29:50 – Panel: That makes sense and flexible. 29:58 – Guest: The other complaint is that the Phoenix generator is pushing the community in the wrong direction by forcing a lot of things by default. When you generate your project with... My team we have used the configuration b/c it seems the right way to do, but what constitutes this? Should this go here and what is a configuration? 30:52 – Panel: I don’t have a synced answer – I don’t have a boundary to say what does or doesn’t’ go in there. 31:13 – Guest: Like the operator might decide to change the HPP port or maybe you want to...? You have to make the decision – what will those things be? 31:32 – Panel: React to a configuration change, it’s very clear to... 31:57 – Guest: It is very arbitrary by its nature. One of the main things (in the blog post) my coworker said it felt like a configuration. What does that mean? Should we have some sort of rules? What is a configuration and what isn’t? 32:33 – Panel comments. 32:55 – Guest: Now I am swinging in a new extreme. You started with parameters nothing more and there is nothing more than functions and parameters. 34:41 – Chuck: You keep bringing up JSON is there a reason why? 34:55 – Guest: I am not a super fan of JSON for various reasons but we decided on JSON b/c it’s fairly easy. Most of our clients and admin can add it. 35:18 – Chuck: Asks a question. 35:30 – Guest: Getting a configuration... 36:35 – Panel. 36:39 – Guest: With Distillery 2.0... 36:47 – Chuck: What formats do you like if you don’t like JSON? 36:58 – Guest: I am not sure. I would like to run everything in Elixir directly. 37:47 – Panel: I have been using Kubernetes. I like that I can have comments. 38:00 – Panel. 38:10 – Panel. 38:17 – JSON is terrible but you can use it and everyone can, too. 38:27 – Guest: I would probably pick JSON between those two. It’s the lesser of 2 evils. 38:40 – Panel. 39:03 – Guest: The key is to clean up this configuration in the first place. My impression is... 39:30 – Panel: I wrote a library, and there was configuration but it doesn’t belong – it’s not a configuration setting nor...so where should those kinds of settings be? I know they are just parameters, but...so we can pull out our configuration files? 40:11 – Guest: It should be grouped by scope. Take Phoenix application... 41:54 – Panel: That’s your exposed configuration – conceivably – but it should be hard coded. 42:04 – Guest: It won’t be hard coded, and the server will be different in production than your machine. 42:17 – Panel. 42:30 – Guest: Precisely. You have to ask: is this a configured parameter or not? 42:43 – Chuck: Can you talk about how to encrypt and/or protect these secrets? 42:56 – Guest: There are these secrets that are broad secrets via...and it depends on you how you’re going to protect them. Use some encryption scheme. 43:20 – Panel. 43:28 – Guest: Right. 43:31 – Chuck: In Rails it has a secret file, too and you have to provide the key to the app. Then your KEY is a secret. It feels like this circular problem. 43:53 – Guest. 44:54 – Panel: When you are dealing with that sort of thing...library will absolutely assume...and it limits flexibility. 45:17 – Guest: It’s not just an Elixir thing I have seen it in Erlang, too. 47:32 – Chuck: Any stories of people getting this wrong or right? I guess people don’t talk about that; any good stories? 47:54 – Guest: A lot of stories, actually! 49:52 – Panel: Being that Elixir is a more functional language, how do I put in a configuration that will be available at runtime and available very early. I think that is why we stick things up there by putting it in there. 50:35 – Panel. 50:43 – Panel: If it is a library and passes it to a configuration - where does it put it? 50:53 – Panel: A library and not an application... 51:05 – Guest. 51:45 – Panel: Where do I put it? 52:03 – Guest: There are some libraries that have to be configured before we start. The only case that needs some setting before we start is LOGGER. 53:00 – Panel. 53:15 – Guest. 54:00 – (Guest mentions à la Carte – check it out here! It’s just a factory.) 55:38 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 55:46 – Fresh Books! Links: Ruby Elixir JavaScript React Erlang Kubernetes JSON Logger Docker Config Rethinking App Env Distillery Documentation Elixir in Action Elixir in Action – Book – 2nd edition Elixir – Library Guidelines Elixir Forum The 12-Factor App Distillery’s Documentation GitHub: Toml-Elixir GitHub: Riak_Ensemble GitHub: Elm – Beam GitHub: CodeC-Beam Library Guidelines – Elixir Configuring Elixir Libraries Handling Configurations Etcher Tweet Mashup Sasa’s YouTube Video Sasa’s Twitter Sasa’s GitHub Sasa’s Information at Elixir Conf Sasa’s LinkedIn Josh Adams’ Email: josh@smoothterminal.com Sponsors: Loot Crate Fresh Books Cache Fly Get a Coder Job! Picks: Sasa Run-time Library Guidelines Elixir in Action – Book – 2nd edition The Erlangelist Solid Ground Chuck Tweet Mashup My JavaScript Story Channel Shush App Mark Etcher.io Josh Elm Beam
Panel: Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Charles Max Wood Special Guest: Sasa Juric In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks with Sasa Juric who is the author of Elixir in Action (2nd edition) and uses Elixir, Erlang, and OTP. He is from Zagreb, Croatia and you can check out his blog here! The panel talks about his book, past and current projects, in addition to configurations, and Elixir. Show Topics: 0:00 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job! 0:50 – Chuck: Panel. Our guest is Sasa Juric. Introduce yourself to us please. 1:12 – Guest: I am known for writing my book and my blogs. I am president to the Elixir forum and helping people out. I have been using Elixir for 5 years; in the past I have used C++ and others. 1:46 – Chuck: App env and configuration and sounds like we could talk about more. Let’s start there, though. 1:59 – Guest. 2:03 – Panel: A little background with configuration b/c it’s been a topic in the community. There is a lot of discussion around it. What is the right way? And there is a change in how we deploy software. We have more docker containers and multiple stages of deployment and tons of configurations through environment settings. Anything you can talk about that? 2:51 – (Guest answers those questions. He discusses in detail about docker configurations. Also, the guest talks about the various settings per the different environments.) 7:25 – Panel: That was a thorough summary. 7:29 – Guest: I can talk more. 7:35 – Panel: So we have background on configuration is setup and the goals we have. What are some of the ways that a person with Elixir – how do they start? Tips / advice? They have their app and trying to go to production? 8:22 – (Guest answers the question.) Guest: 90% of the time, this is what you want to do. This is what you do...build it and put it in the folder structure, and you are good to go. Why is this good? You don’t have to have a bunch of... If you are using Phoenix than you need Node.js and you don’t want to have that on your production. You can easily run side-by-side different versions of Erlang and Phoenix. 11:40 – Panel: You can do that in a single docker file? 11:47 – Guest. 11:51 – Panel: You just copy the files... 11:56 – Panel: I learned I could do that by the distiller 2.0...I hadn’t encountered that before. 12:11 – Guest: Look into the distillery. I want to give compliments to Paul and the team is great. Go to Distillery and see the tutorials. 12:37 – Panel: People think I don’t want to use docker there is an option.... 13:01 – Guest. 13:04 – Chuck: Different types of configuration? 13:13 – Guest: Right this discussion too which is probably talking about my blog post, and I have this wild thought about configurations. We can discuss the issues and different solutions. We have these configurations files and they contain these time various configurations and... There is usually more than 1 configuration file. 17:53 – Panel: You only get agreement. I have had that problem, too, saying what is this configuration? What are THE Settings that are present and yeah that is a problem? You identify these problems in your blog, where it’s not checked in and the code will not... I have had to work around that in my projects. We are going to create a sample project and it will have defaults. So we can improve the situation. 18:45 – Panel: Class based configurations – I get angry. 19:05 – Guest: I try to challenge this status quo. Some people agree and others disagree. Some say this blanket statement. 19:54 – Loot Crate! 20:47 – Guest: Another thing to note is that configurations are free form key values. Remember, my point is that it boils down to some function being involved with these values. (Guest continues...) 23:36 – What is your direction that you are proposing? 23:40 – Guest: We are going to discuss other issues. 23:49 – Panel: As background, as apart of that whole configuration in those distillery docs... 24:41 – What is the next step in the discussion? 24:48 – Guest: Let’s take a step back. (Guest talks about Distillery 2.0.) 27:09 – Guest continues... 29:50 – Panel: That makes sense and flexible. 29:58 – Guest: The other complaint is that the Phoenix generator is pushing the community in the wrong direction by forcing a lot of things by default. When you generate your project with... My team we have used the configuration b/c it seems the right way to do, but what constitutes this? Should this go here and what is a configuration? 30:52 – Panel: I don’t have a synced answer – I don’t have a boundary to say what does or doesn’t’ go in there. 31:13 – Guest: Like the operator might decide to change the HPP port or maybe you want to...? You have to make the decision – what will those things be? 31:32 – Panel: React to a configuration change, it’s very clear to... 31:57 – Guest: It is very arbitrary by its nature. One of the main things (in the blog post) my coworker said it felt like a configuration. What does that mean? Should we have some sort of rules? What is a configuration and what isn’t? 32:33 – Panel comments. 32:55 – Guest: Now I am swinging in a new extreme. You started with parameters nothing more and there is nothing more than functions and parameters. 34:41 – Chuck: You keep bringing up JSON is there a reason why? 34:55 – Guest: I am not a super fan of JSON for various reasons but we decided on JSON b/c it’s fairly easy. Most of our clients and admin can add it. 35:18 – Chuck: Asks a question. 35:30 – Guest: Getting a configuration... 36:35 – Panel. 36:39 – Guest: With Distillery 2.0... 36:47 – Chuck: What formats do you like if you don’t like JSON? 36:58 – Guest: I am not sure. I would like to run everything in Elixir directly. 37:47 – Panel: I have been using Kubernetes. I like that I can have comments. 38:00 – Panel. 38:10 – Panel. 38:17 – JSON is terrible but you can use it and everyone can, too. 38:27 – Guest: I would probably pick JSON between those two. It’s the lesser of 2 evils. 38:40 – Panel. 39:03 – Guest: The key is to clean up this configuration in the first place. My impression is... 39:30 – Panel: I wrote a library, and there was configuration but it doesn’t belong – it’s not a configuration setting nor...so where should those kinds of settings be? I know they are just parameters, but...so we can pull out our configuration files? 40:11 – Guest: It should be grouped by scope. Take Phoenix application... 41:54 – Panel: That’s your exposed configuration – conceivably – but it should be hard coded. 42:04 – Guest: It won’t be hard coded, and the server will be different in production than your machine. 42:17 – Panel. 42:30 – Guest: Precisely. You have to ask: is this a configured parameter or not? 42:43 – Chuck: Can you talk about how to encrypt and/or protect these secrets? 42:56 – Guest: There are these secrets that are broad secrets via...and it depends on you how you’re going to protect them. Use some encryption scheme. 43:20 – Panel. 43:28 – Guest: Right. 43:31 – Chuck: In Rails it has a secret file, too and you have to provide the key to the app. Then your KEY is a secret. It feels like this circular problem. 43:53 – Guest. 44:54 – Panel: When you are dealing with that sort of thing...library will absolutely assume...and it limits flexibility. 45:17 – Guest: It’s not just an Elixir thing I have seen it in Erlang, too. 47:32 – Chuck: Any stories of people getting this wrong or right? I guess people don’t talk about that; any good stories? 47:54 – Guest: A lot of stories, actually! 49:52 – Panel: Being that Elixir is a more functional language, how do I put in a configuration that will be available at runtime and available very early. I think that is why we stick things up there by putting it in there. 50:35 – Panel. 50:43 – Panel: If it is a library and passes it to a configuration - where does it put it? 50:53 – Panel: A library and not an application... 51:05 – Guest. 51:45 – Panel: Where do I put it? 52:03 – Guest: There are some libraries that have to be configured before we start. The only case that needs some setting before we start is LOGGER. 53:00 – Panel. 53:15 – Guest. 54:00 – (Guest mentions à la Carte – check it out here! It’s just a factory.) 55:38 – Chuck: Let’s do picks! 55:46 – Fresh Books! Links: Ruby Elixir JavaScript React Erlang Kubernetes JSON Logger Docker Config Rethinking App Env Distillery Documentation Elixir in Action Elixir in Action – Book – 2nd edition Elixir – Library Guidelines Elixir Forum The 12-Factor App Distillery’s Documentation GitHub: Toml-Elixir GitHub: Riak_Ensemble GitHub: Elm – Beam GitHub: CodeC-Beam Library Guidelines – Elixir Configuring Elixir Libraries Handling Configurations Etcher Tweet Mashup Sasa’s YouTube Video Sasa’s Twitter Sasa’s GitHub Sasa’s Information at Elixir Conf Sasa’s LinkedIn Josh Adams’ Email: josh@smoothterminal.com Sponsors: Loot Crate Fresh Books Cache Fly Get a Coder Job! Picks: Sasa Run-time Library Guidelines Elixir in Action – Book – 2nd edition The Erlangelist Solid Ground Chuck Tweet Mashup My JavaScript Story Channel Shush App Mark Etcher.io Josh Elm Beam
Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Eriksen Eric Berry Special Guest: Andrew Summers In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Andrew Summers who lives in Chicago, currently. Working on Elixir development, and here to talk about how he wrote the dialyzer pretty printer. He is a software engineer for Albert.io, makes cool stuff every day, loves punk music, and Philadelphia sports. The panel talks about the Dialyzer pretty printing, Elixir, code writing, and more! Show Topics: 1:07 – Why are you famous? 1:11 – Andrew: Answers the question. 1:34 – Chuck: Nice. Is the dialyzer printer complete pretty printing or is it more than that? 1:45 – Andrew talks. He mentions the background information on this specific printer, which was written a decade ago. 4:13 – Panel: One thing that is helpful is that it is a static code analysis. In the Elixir we are writing these spec statements. For nothing else than this type is coming out. Then this looks at the code, and your spec says you are returning this, but I can tell that you are also returning X, Y, or Z. So it is helping us see what we are declaring a code to do, and that’s really what the code is doing. 5:28 – Guest: Yes, exactly. To continue that topic here is what else it’s saying... 6:08 – Panel: Our panelist is not here, but he has had to fix code before with that problem. With Dialect Dialyzer – how do we say this library is out-of-date? The code is out-of-date. How do I get my stuff to pass – to clean up my site? 6:54 – Guest: Containing that warning. Guest goes into further detail how to problem-solve this issue. 8:02 – Panel: So you are saying that I can funnel. 8:20 – Panel & Guest go back-and-forth talking about this topic. 9:49 – Panel: I am still diving into the system. Haven’t really used the printer, yet. Panelist asks Guest a question. 10:04 – Guest: At the forefront there are some configurations to help with that. 11:16 – Panel: Why would someone not want to use this? What are the cons? 11:23 – Guest: It would have to do more with CI than anything (one con). 13:06 – Panel: Lots of people are coming to Elixir New. Great. What is the selling point? Why should someone invest his or her time in this project? 13:33 – Guest: I find looking for a type spec is one more piece of information that could help the reader that would tell them what the code should be doing. Any information from the original author to be passed down is great. Having the machine to check that, whenever you push code, it’s an imperfect check (as we were saying). If it can tell you that you did something wrong, then why not? It gives you that extra red flag. There are huge benefits to that. Same reason we write unit tests. 15:20 – Panel: You are learning Elixir right, Chuck? Panelist talks about tech specs, code writing, and learning projects. 16:25 – Panel: Here is a tip to learning. One thing that I did I came to an existing project and writing a sub-system ( as series of modules) Writing the tech specs. As they are interacting with each other, then writing Dial Elixir, and grab the output to the file path to where my code is. Within my own code find where I am inconsistent. Andrew – you could get pages of output, right? Any tips for users? 17:37 – Guest: Isolate portions of your code base. 19:27 – Chuck: I do like the idea of the umbrella. Phoenix app out into an umbrella. A sub apps and they are more centered, smaller sized. Then, yeah. Start with Dialyzer on just that project. Isolate it, and this app in the umbrella. The output is much smaller, and good success with that. Now, one of the new features you added was the language / the code that it reports is an ERLANG term. That is not familiar to most Elixir developers. Especially if you are new to it. If you are turning this into a friendly Elixir thing, then you had to learn other programs. How did you get into this path? 21:00 – Andrew: Whenever there was complicated “something” at work – I was the person to go to. As I started to do it more and more I saw patterns in the output. Things were kind of predictable, and how to format things. It synchronizes weird. What would I do to write this task? Researched. There are 2 tools = LEEX and YECC. If you have 2 files in your source directory... 22:56 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 23:39 – Panel: It’s cool. 23:58 – Guest: It brought me back to some courses from school. I thought that was funny. They are pretty contained tools. 24:36 – Panel: Part of your motivation was from Jose. 24:49 – Guest: Yes, definitely. 25:39 – Did you have any questions for Jose? 26:35 – Panel: You added the feature of... CREDO is pretty well-known. 27:28 – Guest: Sure, I guess I did skip some of that. Andrew talked about different libraries, ERLANG modules, and so on. 28:38 – Panel: What else are you doing? 28:45 – Getting error messages fixed for version 1.0. Trying to close-up the residual things. 30:18 – Guest keeps talking about support and other bugs. Andrew: If you see something, say something. 31:00 - Panel: There are languages that run on the beam. Something to create something more standard so different languages can depend on. Is there anything like that? To help you with your tooling? 31:40 – Andrew: Good question! Some of the things that happen at the Dialyzer level, stuff just gets dropped. 33:47 – Guest: How this works all together... 35:15 – Chuck: How to contribute to Dialyxir? 35:30 – Guest: Around error messages – is the best place to look. If you have a good editor hand, good place for that. If you are further into the compiler land – might want to play with that. 36:29 – Guest: ERLEX 36:43 – Chuck: What did you learn about building these libraries? 36:55 – Guest: I learned a lot about the construction of Elixir. Guest dives into this more. 38:25 – Chuck: The principle that you cannot bind... 38:51 – Guest: ...this area of my code-base... it would be nice to turn off those features. When I really do need it – I need it, but not so if I don’t need it. 39:39 – Panel: I want to point someone to a resource: TypeSpecs. 39:54 – Guest: I used that so much! Wonderful resource, I learned so much stuff! I stole all the output from that. I didn’t know that language had that?! 40:20 – Panel chimes in about this resource some more. 41:02 – Guest: We really do have a simple language. There are some weird things, but not a lot of constructs under the hood. Only a few data structures. It could have been more complicated. I was worried about that – but that never happened, because... 41:41 – Panel: Thanks for adding that. Very true. 42:51 – Guest talks about other things that are very simple, too. 44:35 – Panel: Are you doing fulltime with Elixir for programming? 44:35 – Guest: Yes, we are using other Elixir and JS App. In another life I used... They all can teach you something. Sometimes the journey of going there and realizing WHY you don’t want to be there is sometimes worth the journey! 45:20 – Panel asks guest a question. 45:25 – Guest answers question. Andrew: We have enjoyed our time in Elixir. It’s nice. 46:27 – Panel: Anything else? 46:33 – Panel: Where can people find you online? 46:40 – Guest: Elixir Slack, Twitter, GitHub. 47:01 – Picks! 47:05 – Advertisement – Code Badges Links: Andrew Summers’ Twitter Credo Erlang Dialyxir LEEX YECC Credo ERLEX TypeSpecs Curated Dev News for Busy Developers EX_JSON_SCHEMA React – Jsonschema – form Announcing Distillery 2.0 Distillery’s documentation! MKDocs EX_Json_Schema Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Eric Chrome Extension for News Mark Announcing Distillery 2.0 MKdocs https://hexdocs.pm/distillery/home.html. Charles Launch by Jeff Walker Downcast Andrew Ex json Schema React json schema from
Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Eriksen Eric Berry Special Guest: Andrew Summers In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Andrew Summers who lives in Chicago, currently. Working on Elixir development, and here to talk about how he wrote the dialyzer pretty printer. He is a software engineer for Albert.io, makes cool stuff every day, loves punk music, and Philadelphia sports. The panel talks about the Dialyzer pretty printing, Elixir, code writing, and more! Show Topics: 1:07 – Why are you famous? 1:11 – Andrew: Answers the question. 1:34 – Chuck: Nice. Is the dialyzer printer complete pretty printing or is it more than that? 1:45 – Andrew talks. He mentions the background information on this specific printer, which was written a decade ago. 4:13 – Panel: One thing that is helpful is that it is a static code analysis. In the Elixir we are writing these spec statements. For nothing else than this type is coming out. Then this looks at the code, and your spec says you are returning this, but I can tell that you are also returning X, Y, or Z. So it is helping us see what we are declaring a code to do, and that’s really what the code is doing. 5:28 – Guest: Yes, exactly. To continue that topic here is what else it’s saying... 6:08 – Panel: Our panelist is not here, but he has had to fix code before with that problem. With Dialect Dialyzer – how do we say this library is out-of-date? The code is out-of-date. How do I get my stuff to pass – to clean up my site? 6:54 – Guest: Containing that warning. Guest goes into further detail how to problem-solve this issue. 8:02 – Panel: So you are saying that I can funnel. 8:20 – Panel & Guest go back-and-forth talking about this topic. 9:49 – Panel: I am still diving into the system. Haven’t really used the printer, yet. Panelist asks Guest a question. 10:04 – Guest: At the forefront there are some configurations to help with that. 11:16 – Panel: Why would someone not want to use this? What are the cons? 11:23 – Guest: It would have to do more with CI than anything (one con). 13:06 – Panel: Lots of people are coming to Elixir New. Great. What is the selling point? Why should someone invest his or her time in this project? 13:33 – Guest: I find looking for a type spec is one more piece of information that could help the reader that would tell them what the code should be doing. Any information from the original author to be passed down is great. Having the machine to check that, whenever you push code, it’s an imperfect check (as we were saying). If it can tell you that you did something wrong, then why not? It gives you that extra red flag. There are huge benefits to that. Same reason we write unit tests. 15:20 – Panel: You are learning Elixir right, Chuck? Panelist talks about tech specs, code writing, and learning projects. 16:25 – Panel: Here is a tip to learning. One thing that I did I came to an existing project and writing a sub-system ( as series of modules) Writing the tech specs. As they are interacting with each other, then writing Dial Elixir, and grab the output to the file path to where my code is. Within my own code find where I am inconsistent. Andrew – you could get pages of output, right? Any tips for users? 17:37 – Guest: Isolate portions of your code base. 19:27 – Chuck: I do like the idea of the umbrella. Phoenix app out into an umbrella. A sub apps and they are more centered, smaller sized. Then, yeah. Start with Dialyzer on just that project. Isolate it, and this app in the umbrella. The output is much smaller, and good success with that. Now, one of the new features you added was the language / the code that it reports is an ERLANG term. That is not familiar to most Elixir developers. Especially if you are new to it. If you are turning this into a friendly Elixir thing, then you had to learn other programs. How did you get into this path? 21:00 – Andrew: Whenever there was complicated “something” at work – I was the person to go to. As I started to do it more and more I saw patterns in the output. Things were kind of predictable, and how to format things. It synchronizes weird. What would I do to write this task? Researched. There are 2 tools = LEEX and YECC. If you have 2 files in your source directory... 22:56 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 23:39 – Panel: It’s cool. 23:58 – Guest: It brought me back to some courses from school. I thought that was funny. They are pretty contained tools. 24:36 – Panel: Part of your motivation was from Jose. 24:49 – Guest: Yes, definitely. 25:39 – Did you have any questions for Jose? 26:35 – Panel: You added the feature of... CREDO is pretty well-known. 27:28 – Guest: Sure, I guess I did skip some of that. Andrew talked about different libraries, ERLANG modules, and so on. 28:38 – Panel: What else are you doing? 28:45 – Getting error messages fixed for version 1.0. Trying to close-up the residual things. 30:18 – Guest keeps talking about support and other bugs. Andrew: If you see something, say something. 31:00 - Panel: There are languages that run on the beam. Something to create something more standard so different languages can depend on. Is there anything like that? To help you with your tooling? 31:40 – Andrew: Good question! Some of the things that happen at the Dialyzer level, stuff just gets dropped. 33:47 – Guest: How this works all together... 35:15 – Chuck: How to contribute to Dialyxir? 35:30 – Guest: Around error messages – is the best place to look. If you have a good editor hand, good place for that. If you are further into the compiler land – might want to play with that. 36:29 – Guest: ERLEX 36:43 – Chuck: What did you learn about building these libraries? 36:55 – Guest: I learned a lot about the construction of Elixir. Guest dives into this more. 38:25 – Chuck: The principle that you cannot bind... 38:51 – Guest: ...this area of my code-base... it would be nice to turn off those features. When I really do need it – I need it, but not so if I don’t need it. 39:39 – Panel: I want to point someone to a resource: TypeSpecs. 39:54 – Guest: I used that so much! Wonderful resource, I learned so much stuff! I stole all the output from that. I didn’t know that language had that?! 40:20 – Panel chimes in about this resource some more. 41:02 – Guest: We really do have a simple language. There are some weird things, but not a lot of constructs under the hood. Only a few data structures. It could have been more complicated. I was worried about that – but that never happened, because... 41:41 – Panel: Thanks for adding that. Very true. 42:51 – Guest talks about other things that are very simple, too. 44:35 – Panel: Are you doing fulltime with Elixir for programming? 44:35 – Guest: Yes, we are using other Elixir and JS App. In another life I used... They all can teach you something. Sometimes the journey of going there and realizing WHY you don’t want to be there is sometimes worth the journey! 45:20 – Panel asks guest a question. 45:25 – Guest answers question. Andrew: We have enjoyed our time in Elixir. It’s nice. 46:27 – Panel: Anything else? 46:33 – Panel: Where can people find you online? 46:40 – Guest: Elixir Slack, Twitter, GitHub. 47:01 – Picks! 47:05 – Advertisement – Code Badges Links: Andrew Summers’ Twitter Credo Erlang Dialyxir LEEX YECC Credo ERLEX TypeSpecs Curated Dev News for Busy Developers EX_JSON_SCHEMA React – Jsonschema – form Announcing Distillery 2.0 Distillery’s documentation! MKDocs EX_Json_Schema Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Eric Chrome Extension for News Mark Announcing Distillery 2.0 MKdocs https://hexdocs.pm/distillery/home.html. Charles Launch by Jeff Walker Downcast Andrew Ex json Schema React json schema from
Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett Special Guest: Sarah Drasner In this episode, the panel talks with Jacob Schatz and Taylor Murphy who are apart of the GitLab Team. Jake is a staff developer, and Taylor is a manager at GitLab who started off as a data engineer. To find out more about the GitLab Team check them out here! Also, they are looking to hire, so inquire about the position through GitLab, if interested! The panel talks about Vue, Flux, Node, Flask, Python, D3, and much...much more! Show Topics: 1:51 – Chuck: Introduce yourselves, please. 1:55 – Backgrounds of the guests. 2:45 – Chuck. 2:51 – GitLab (GL): We first adapted Vue at the GitLab team for 2 years now. 3:34 – Chuck: What’s your workflow like through Vue? 3:50 – GL: We are using an application that...Using Python and Flask on the background. Vue CLI throughout the development. 4:35 – Panel asks a question. 4:40 – GitLab answers the question. 5:38 – Panel: Tell us about your secret project? 5:49 – GL: The data team at GL we are trying to solve these questions. How to get from resume to hire? There is data there. So that’s what Meltano helps with. Taylor has a Ph.D. in this area so he knows what’s he’s talking about. 7:30 – Taylor dives into this project via GitLab. 8:52 – GL: Super cool thing is that we are figuring out different ways to do things. It’s really cool stuff that we are doing. 9:23 – Panel: I’ve worked on projects when the frontend people and the data people are doing 2 different things. And they don’t know what each other group is doing. It’s interesting to bring the two things together. I see that teams have a hard time working together when it’s too separated. 10:31 – Panel: Can we get a definition of data scientist vs. a data engineer. 10:44 – Panel: Definitions of DATA SCIENCE and DATA ENGINEER are. 11:39 – GL: That is pretty close. Data science means different things to different people. 12:51 – Panel chimes in. 13:00 – Panel asks a question. 13:11 – GL: When I started working on Meltano... 14:26 – Panel: Looker is a visualization tool; I thought: I bet we can make that. I have been recreating something like Looker. We are trying to replace Looker. We are recreating a lot of the functionality of Looker. 15:10 – Panel will this be called...? 15:31 – Meltano analyze it’s apart of Meltano. Cool thing about Looker it has these files that show the whole visualization – drag and drop. With these files we can do version control. It’s built in – and if you drag it’s apart of a database. We took these files and we... 17:37 – Panel: Define Vue for that, please? 17:49 – GL dives into this topic. 18:40 – GL mentions Node. 18:52 – Chuck: What format does your data take? Do you have different reports that get sent? How does that work? 19:13 – GL: It tells a list of measures and dimensions. I setup our database to... 20:13 – Panel: Question. You chose Vue and it’s working. The reality you could have chosen any other tools. Why really did you choose Vue? 20:30 – GL: I know Vue really well. In the early 2000s I had my... If I have to repeat a process I always use Vue, because it’s the thing I am most comfortable with. This is how I program things very quickly. 21:10 – Panel: How has Vue met or exceeded or not met those expectations? 21:20 – GL: It has exceeded my expectations. One of the things is that as I am trying to staff a team I am trying to write Vue so when people see it they don’t think, “why would he do that?” 22:53 – Flux inspired architecture. 23:07 – GitLab continues the talk. 23:21 – Everything is Flux inspired in the sense that it was an idea to start with and then everybody made alterations and built things on top of that. 23:48 – Panel chimes in. 24:35 – Panel: Can you speak on the process of the workflow and process you work in Taylor and the data science and the frontend of it? 24:54 – GL: It’s the same but different. GitLab talks about Meltano some more, and also Taylor. GL: Taylor is trying to solve all these problems through Meltano. Maybe we can build our own tools? 26:05 – Panel: What’s a Lever Extractor?! 26:14 – GL: Answers this question. 26:25 – Panel: So it’s not a technical term...okay. 26:30 – GitLab continues the talk and discusses different tools. 27:18 – Panel: You are grabbing that data and Taylor is doing his magic? Or is it more integrated? 27:32 – GL answers this question. 29:06 – GitLab: In the beginning we are building that extractors for the other team, but later... The cool thing about Meltano is making it like Word Press. We have an extractor, different directories other things will be discovered by Meltano and discovered by the Gooey. If you write it correctly it can hook on to it. 30:00 – Digital Ocean Advertisement 31:38 – Panel: Meltano is a mix between Python and JavaScript or Vue? 30:43 – GL: Yeah... 31:20 – Panel asks question. How are you orchestrating the data? 31:32 – GL: Eventually it will happen with GitLab CUI. We are thinking we can orchestrate other ways. Right now it’s manually. 32:33 – GL: I like finding some sort of language that doesn’t have an extension...and writing... 32:54 – GL: I’m excited to use a tool that does things the right way like loading and transforming data but the frontend can be a joy to use. A previous company that I worked with and thought: It would be a joy to work with and connect to things that make sense, and do things the “right way”. I hope that’s what we can do with Meltano. I’m not a frontend person, but I appreciate it. 34:03 – GL: This is what I’m going to do...we will have these conversations between Taylor, myself, and our teams. 34:53 – Panel: This is a tool that people need to DL, maybe will you guys host this somewhere as a service. 35:10 – GL: We are trying to get this running. Small steps. It’s not out of the question and it’s not out of the question for this to be a service. 35:33 – GL: What do you want to do with the data warehouse? Your data is yours. 36:06 – Panel: Yeah, you don’t want to be in-charge of that. 36:17 – Panel: Have we asked where the name Meltano came from? 36:30 – GL: It sounds like a weird name. Here is the background of the name of “Meltano” came from. First name was from a sperm whale, it’s a unique name: Cachalot. 38:02 – GL: Conversation continues. 38:38 – Panel chimes in. 38:58 – GL: What does this program offering and doing...This was to help me with the name. 39:27 – GL: Acronym for Meltano: Model / Extract / Load / Transform / Analyze / Notebook / Orchestrate 39:47 – GL continues. They talk about notebooks. 40:19 –Sounds like a Daft Punk album! 40:28 – GL: I am trying to get more on the data science side. 40:57 – Panel: Question. Is Meltano super responsive and quick? 41:17 – GL: It depends on the size of the data, of course, but it is very responsive. 42:11 – GL: That job took 7-8 hours to extract everything for that specific project. 42:39 – GL: There are a lot of moving parts, so that could depend on it slowing it down or speeding it up. 43:01 – When you were building Meltano for your team, for the visualization how do you make decisions on what exactly you are visualizing? 43:18 – GL: That is the tricky part...you are one team. We are trying to find at a point where the data team is happy. One thing for example I put out a bar chart. Team member said that bar charts should always be vertical. So I am learning how they work and their wealth of information on visualization. 44:33 – Panel: Chris always does visualization. 44:48 – GL: Emily is on the team, and knows a lot about that. The correct way to visualize data so it doesn’t just look “cool.” You want it to be useful. Chart JS is what I use. 45:32 – Panel: I have used Chart JS before, too. 46:00 – Chris: I really like... 46:37 – Panel continues this conversation. 47:01 – Panel: Keynote will be given by...at this conference. 47:11 – GL continues to talk about this conversation. From nothing to something in a short amount of time. When I showed people: 47:55 – Panel: are you using Vue transitions? 48:09 – GL: Nope not even slightly. My plan was to use Vue transitions but it’s icing on the cake. Just get it working. 48:29 – Panel: A link of how I use... 49:14 – GL: This is a very small amount of code to where you are. It’s not like you had to re-implement triangles or anything like that. 49:36 – Panel: It does take some time but once you get it – you get it. 49:59 – Panel: When working with axis it can get hairy. 50:52 – GL: D3 really does a lot of the math for you and fits right it once you know how it works. You can draw anything with HTML. Check Links. 52:19 – Panel: There are a million different ways to do visualizations. There is math behind... 53:08 – Panel: D3 also helps with de-clustering. 53:25 – Panel: Any recommendations with someone who wants to dive into D3? 53:37 – GL: Tutorials have gotten better over time. 53:57 – Panel continues the conversation. 54:19 – GL: D3 Version 4 and 5 was one big library. You have C3 – what’s your opinion on C3? 55:00 – GL: have no strong opinions. 55:03 – Chuck chimes in. 55:18 – Panel continues this conversation. She talks about how she had a hard time learning D3, and how everything clicked once she learned it. 55:55 – GL: Main reason why I didn’t use D3 because... 56:07 – GL: If you were a “real” developer you’d... 56:35 – Panel: Let’s go to Picks! 56:40 – Advertisement – Code Badges Links: JavaScript Ruby on Rails Angular Digital Ocean Code Badge Notion Vue Meltano Looker Node Flux Taylor Python Chart JS React Chris Fritz – JS Fiddle D3 Chris Lema – Building an Online Course... Vuetify The First Vue.js Spring Vue CLI 3.0 Online Tutorials To Help You Get Ahead Hacker Noon – Finding Creativity in Software Engineer Indiegogo Create Awesome Vue.js Apps With... Data Sketches Vue.js in Action Benjamin Hardy’s Website Data Intensive: Don’t Just Hack It Together Article: How to Pick a Career...By Tim Urban Taylor A. 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Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Eric Berry Special Guest: Chris McCord In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Chris who created Phoenix and is an author, also. Chris McCord is a monumental developer within the community, and it’s exciting to see how LiveView is a great add-on to Phoenix, which is his baby. Finally, the panel talks about topics, such as Phoenix, LiveView, Elm, and Fire Nest. Show Topics: 1:21 – What are you famous for? 1:49 – Chuck: You created Phoenix. There is a new feature, LiveView, can you share with us what that is? 2:08 – Chris: Sure. What got me started with creating Phoenix is similar to how I got into LiveView. 3:13 – Panelist chimes in with his comments. Panel: Questions we are asking: How to give the audience a high-quality experience without a huge overhead. When I watch this video on LiveView, I was freaking out. Are you glad you did it? 5:01 – Chris: The response is really exciting and it really resonated with a lot of people. Often, I thought, working on past projects thoughts along these lines: “this was a huge waste of the day.” And I’m glad this was a good response. 6:08 – Panel: Explain what you can do right now. 6:18 – Chris dives into this topic. Chris: We wanted to offer a rich experience. A lot of things we can target out of the box, with rich UI. 8:20 – Panel: You announced this in your keynote in Washington D.C. The day before you hinted at it. And I thought: Is this even a good idea? Is this a misguided effort? If you have this first impression go, first, and see the video. You explain well your history and what you wanted with web development. Watch this video to maybe not be skeptical. 9:47 – Panel comments. 9:50 – Chuck: I haven’t seen the video, yet. I am used to doing this with JavaScript. How do you do without JavaScript? Frontend? 10:14 – There are pixies and sparkles, and Chris is bringing these sparkles! 10:31 – Chris: It’s nice because we are piggybacking off the channel level. There is no JavaScript that you have to write today. 11:16 – Panel: Question to Chris. 11:31 – Chris answers the question. 13:13 – Panel: Who else is doing this right now? 13:15 – Chris answers question. 14:51 – Panel: The original dream. Phoenix was just a stepping step to LiveView. 15:08 – Chris: Those who are casting judgment – please watch the video. For years I have had this idea that I want to stay in the server-land... 15:55 – Panel: It’s funny that your path unfolded the way that it did. 16:28 – Chris: It blows me away. 16:38 – Panel: I bet when you wake up your pants just attach themselves to your legs! 16:57 – Chris: I work remotely, so... 17:08 – Chuck: That got weird. 17:18 – Panel: You’ve got a lot going on. When can we expect to see this? I’m sure you get that asked a lot. Phoenix 1.4 has to come first, and you are working on your book. While that’s going on you have a project called Fire Nest. Sounds like you have a couple things you’re doing right now? How do you prioritize? 18:08 – Chris answers these questions. Chris: I do work full-time on Phoenix. Phoenix 1.0 is on my own time. This is at my own discretion. Whatever helps the community is good for them and for me. That’s how I do it without completing losing it. The book has been over a year delayed. It’s always a battle it’s a love/hate relationship. It’s hard when you when you want to work on exciting things like LiveView. The future, the things we want to build for. Some weeks it’s more writing, and some weeks its coding. 20:01 – Panel talks about Chris’ team. 20:25 – Panel: I got to ask you, I am more of a Ruby developer, and this thing that you’ve developed is making me lean towards Elixir. What’s your least favorite thing about Phoenix? 20:56 – Chris: Never have been asked this before. 21:06 – Chris: The thing that bothers me the most is maybe configuration? Lots of folks we did a lot of the configurations. I guess that has been a recent thing that’s come up. Even though, personally, I don’t have a lot of issues with it. 22:38 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 23:13 – It’s hard to point out ugly features of your own baby. 23:26 – Panel: You’ve talked about your rel. with DockYard, Inc. What’s that responsibility like? 23:44 – Chris: I am a cheerleader for the company. I do work in a consulting role. This is good because I am solving real-world problems. I’d loose touch with that if I didn’t consult. The other time I try to help the team if needed. It’s a good mix for me. Writing Elixir code and not just framework code. 25:02 – Panel: Umbrella project. Your rel. with your clients – when you would suggest an umbrella project or not? 25:26 – Chris: It depends. It’s not so much code structure it’s mostly from an operational standpoint and not from a code structure standpoint. 26:51 – Chuck: Give us a short history of Phoenix. How does LiveView tie into your vision with Phoenix? 27:13 – Chris gives us his thoughts. Chris: In 2013 – I fell in love with Ruby. That’s to show that it wasn’t on my radar to do anything else professionally. Never thought I would develop something like Phoenix. My wife noticed that I came home unhappy when I worked with Ruby at some point. She noticed a difference. Chris continues to share the Genesis of Phoenix. It’s been a crazy ride. 32:32 – Chuck: So it was mostly about the scaling. I’ve played socket IO, do some harm, then come back. Action cables are a little less of a pain. Chuck continues his thoughts and asks a question. 33:10 – Chris answers Chuck’s question. 35:00 – Chuck. 35:14 – Chris. It’s interesting because you could have used a LiveView layer in the mid-2000s and nothing in town would have been able to compete. 35:56 – Panel: One great thing about Rails is the integration. There is a path to it. Is there anything like that for the docket to build that for Phoenix? There is webpacker for Rails but is there going to be that for Phoenix. 36:35 – Chris: No is the simple answer. It just works the way you would expect. 37:46 – Chuck: The other one is partial JS. IT’s interesting because I go back and forth, too. I like the approach with JavaScript. I play with everything. I’ve been playing with an app recently and figured out how to do it in Brunch, because that’s what’s there. Why solve it the Elixir way? As a backend developer I may not want to mess with it. 38:51 – Panel: Another question about LiveView. From the video, from what I understand, is that the data that’s pulled from reads and rights? 39:26 – Chris: I hope this doesn’t sounds like a cop out answer. My answer is that you will handle any system you are building it in Elixir. If you want to have durable state you would use existing tools that you have already. 40:17 – Panel: The facilities you built around the LiveView, is it valuable for someone to... 40:42 – Chris answers the question. 41:22 – Panel: Another question on how LiveView works. Is that dependent on there being a JavaScript connection? 41:49 – Chris: Answer to that is if you are... 42:50 – Chuck. 42:53 – Chris. 43:29 – Panel: How is Fire Nest coming along? 43:38 – Chris: I won’t say it’s steady progress, but it’s coming along. We are working on it. 44:53 – Panel: That was exactly what I wanted to hear. 45:00 – Advertisement. 45: 42 – Panel: The new developments are happening outside of the community of Phoenix, right? 46:07 – Chris: People think Phoenix is “heavy,” but it really isn’t. It’s really I want 80% and the teams and communities can build on top of that. Not in core. Not everyone needs X feature. No reason to shove it in core. It’s not about having it being “lighter.” I am developing resisting the urge to do it because someone says so. 47:40 – Panel: Phoenix for me feels like it’s baked. There really isn’t anything that is lacking. It’s extensible. It’s done. That’s exciting. These add-ons like LiveView are a great plugin. 48:23 – Chuck: How do people keep in touch with what you are doing and your projects? 48:51 – Panel: Anyone on the team working with Elm? 49:00 – Chris answers this question. Elm has been on my radar, but haven’t gotten into it, yet. Not in the foreseeable future either. 50:20 – Chuck: Picks! Links: Chris McCord’s Website Chris McCord’s Twitter Chris McCord’s GitHub Chris McCord’s YouTube Chris McCord’s LinkedIn Chris McCord’s Medium Chris McCord’s DockYard Posts Chris McCord’s Video Chris McCord’s Keynote Talk Elm GitHub – Morphdom GitHub – Drab Fire Nest Article on LiveView Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Charles Geeking-out about the space stuff. Self-fastening pants – Velcro Book: Soft Cover IO Docking station Mark The Talk Fire Nest Project Josh Website: SmoothTerminal.com Eric Earthrise – Apollo 8 – 1968 picture Earthrise Wikipedia Podcast – American Life Chris Phoenix 1.4 Book Phoenix Programming Book
Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Eric Berry Special Guest: Chris McCord In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Chris who created Phoenix and is an author, also. Chris McCord is a monumental developer within the community, and it’s exciting to see how LiveView is a great add-on to Phoenix, which is his baby. Finally, the panel talks about topics, such as Phoenix, LiveView, Elm, and Fire Nest. Show Topics: 1:21 – What are you famous for? 1:49 – Chuck: You created Phoenix. There is a new feature, LiveView, can you share with us what that is? 2:08 – Chris: Sure. What got me started with creating Phoenix is similar to how I got into LiveView. 3:13 – Panelist chimes in with his comments. Panel: Questions we are asking: How to give the audience a high-quality experience without a huge overhead. When I watch this video on LiveView, I was freaking out. Are you glad you did it? 5:01 – Chris: The response is really exciting and it really resonated with a lot of people. Often, I thought, working on past projects thoughts along these lines: “this was a huge waste of the day.” And I’m glad this was a good response. 6:08 – Panel: Explain what you can do right now. 6:18 – Chris dives into this topic. Chris: We wanted to offer a rich experience. A lot of things we can target out of the box, with rich UI. 8:20 – Panel: You announced this in your keynote in Washington D.C. The day before you hinted at it. And I thought: Is this even a good idea? Is this a misguided effort? If you have this first impression go, first, and see the video. You explain well your history and what you wanted with web development. Watch this video to maybe not be skeptical. 9:47 – Panel comments. 9:50 – Chuck: I haven’t seen the video, yet. I am used to doing this with JavaScript. How do you do without JavaScript? Frontend? 10:14 – There are pixies and sparkles, and Chris is bringing these sparkles! 10:31 – Chris: It’s nice because we are piggybacking off the channel level. There is no JavaScript that you have to write today. 11:16 – Panel: Question to Chris. 11:31 – Chris answers the question. 13:13 – Panel: Who else is doing this right now? 13:15 – Chris answers question. 14:51 – Panel: The original dream. Phoenix was just a stepping step to LiveView. 15:08 – Chris: Those who are casting judgment – please watch the video. For years I have had this idea that I want to stay in the server-land... 15:55 – Panel: It’s funny that your path unfolded the way that it did. 16:28 – Chris: It blows me away. 16:38 – Panel: I bet when you wake up your pants just attach themselves to your legs! 16:57 – Chris: I work remotely, so... 17:08 – Chuck: That got weird. 17:18 – Panel: You’ve got a lot going on. When can we expect to see this? I’m sure you get that asked a lot. Phoenix 1.4 has to come first, and you are working on your book. While that’s going on you have a project called Fire Nest. Sounds like you have a couple things you’re doing right now? How do you prioritize? 18:08 – Chris answers these questions. Chris: I do work full-time on Phoenix. Phoenix 1.0 is on my own time. This is at my own discretion. Whatever helps the community is good for them and for me. That’s how I do it without completing losing it. The book has been over a year delayed. It’s always a battle it’s a love/hate relationship. It’s hard when you when you want to work on exciting things like LiveView. The future, the things we want to build for. Some weeks it’s more writing, and some weeks its coding. 20:01 – Panel talks about Chris’ team. 20:25 – Panel: I got to ask you, I am more of a Ruby developer, and this thing that you’ve developed is making me lean towards Elixir. What’s your least favorite thing about Phoenix? 20:56 – Chris: Never have been asked this before. 21:06 – Chris: The thing that bothers me the most is maybe configuration? Lots of folks we did a lot of the configurations. I guess that has been a recent thing that’s come up. Even though, personally, I don’t have a lot of issues with it. 22:38 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 23:13 – It’s hard to point out ugly features of your own baby. 23:26 – Panel: You’ve talked about your rel. with DockYard, Inc. What’s that responsibility like? 23:44 – Chris: I am a cheerleader for the company. I do work in a consulting role. This is good because I am solving real-world problems. I’d loose touch with that if I didn’t consult. The other time I try to help the team if needed. It’s a good mix for me. Writing Elixir code and not just framework code. 25:02 – Panel: Umbrella project. Your rel. with your clients – when you would suggest an umbrella project or not? 25:26 – Chris: It depends. It’s not so much code structure it’s mostly from an operational standpoint and not from a code structure standpoint. 26:51 – Chuck: Give us a short history of Phoenix. How does LiveView tie into your vision with Phoenix? 27:13 – Chris gives us his thoughts. Chris: In 2013 – I fell in love with Ruby. That’s to show that it wasn’t on my radar to do anything else professionally. Never thought I would develop something like Phoenix. My wife noticed that I came home unhappy when I worked with Ruby at some point. She noticed a difference. Chris continues to share the Genesis of Phoenix. It’s been a crazy ride. 32:32 – Chuck: So it was mostly about the scaling. I’ve played socket IO, do some harm, then come back. Action cables are a little less of a pain. Chuck continues his thoughts and asks a question. 33:10 – Chris answers Chuck’s question. 35:00 – Chuck. 35:14 – Chris. It’s interesting because you could have used a LiveView layer in the mid-2000s and nothing in town would have been able to compete. 35:56 – Panel: One great thing about Rails is the integration. There is a path to it. Is there anything like that for the docket to build that for Phoenix? There is webpacker for Rails but is there going to be that for Phoenix. 36:35 – Chris: No is the simple answer. It just works the way you would expect. 37:46 – Chuck: The other one is partial JS. IT’s interesting because I go back and forth, too. I like the approach with JavaScript. I play with everything. I’ve been playing with an app recently and figured out how to do it in Brunch, because that’s what’s there. Why solve it the Elixir way? As a backend developer I may not want to mess with it. 38:51 – Panel: Another question about LiveView. From the video, from what I understand, is that the data that’s pulled from reads and rights? 39:26 – Chris: I hope this doesn’t sounds like a cop out answer. My answer is that you will handle any system you are building it in Elixir. If you want to have durable state you would use existing tools that you have already. 40:17 – Panel: The facilities you built around the LiveView, is it valuable for someone to... 40:42 – Chris answers the question. 41:22 – Panel: Another question on how LiveView works. Is that dependent on there being a JavaScript connection? 41:49 – Chris: Answer to that is if you are... 42:50 – Chuck. 42:53 – Chris. 43:29 – Panel: How is Fire Nest coming along? 43:38 – Chris: I won’t say it’s steady progress, but it’s coming along. We are working on it. 44:53 – Panel: That was exactly what I wanted to hear. 45:00 – Advertisement. 45: 42 – Panel: The new developments are happening outside of the community of Phoenix, right? 46:07 – Chris: People think Phoenix is “heavy,” but it really isn’t. It’s really I want 80% and the teams and communities can build on top of that. Not in core. Not everyone needs X feature. No reason to shove it in core. It’s not about having it being “lighter.” I am developing resisting the urge to do it because someone says so. 47:40 – Panel: Phoenix for me feels like it’s baked. There really isn’t anything that is lacking. It’s extensible. It’s done. That’s exciting. These add-ons like LiveView are a great plugin. 48:23 – Chuck: How do people keep in touch with what you are doing and your projects? 48:51 – Panel: Anyone on the team working with Elm? 49:00 – Chris answers this question. Elm has been on my radar, but haven’t gotten into it, yet. Not in the foreseeable future either. 50:20 – Chuck: Picks! Links: Chris McCord’s Website Chris McCord’s Twitter Chris McCord’s GitHub Chris McCord’s YouTube Chris McCord’s LinkedIn Chris McCord’s Medium Chris McCord’s DockYard Posts Chris McCord’s Video Chris McCord’s Keynote Talk Elm GitHub – Morphdom GitHub – Drab Fire Nest Article on LiveView Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Charles Geeking-out about the space stuff. Self-fastening pants – Velcro Book: Soft Cover IO Docking station Mark The Talk Fire Nest Project Josh Website: SmoothTerminal.com Eric Earthrise – Apollo 8 – 1968 picture Earthrise Wikipedia Podcast – American Life Chris Phoenix 1.4 Book Phoenix Programming Book
Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames John Papa Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett Special Guest: Sarah Drasner In this episode, the panel talks with Jacob Schatz and Taylor Murphy who are apart of the GitLab Team. Jake is a staff developer, and Taylor is a manager at GitLab who started off as a data engineer. To find out more about the GitLab Team check them out here! Also, they are looking to hire, so inquire about the position through GitLab, if interested! The panel talks about Vue, Flux, Node, Flask, Python, D3, and much...much more! Show Topics: 1:51 – Chuck: Introduce yourselves, please. 1:55 – Backgrounds of the guests. 2:45 – Chuck. 2:51 – GitLab (GL): We first adapted Vue at the GitLab team for 2 years now. 3:34 – Chuck: What’s your workflow like through Vue? 3:50 – GL: We are using an application that...Using Python and Flask on the background. Vue CLI throughout the development. 4:35 – Panel asks a question. 4:40 – GitLab answers the question. 5:38 – Panel: Tell us about your secret project? 5:49 – GL: The data team at GL we are trying to solve these questions. How to get from resume to hire? There is data there. So that’s what Meltano helps with. Taylor has a Ph.D. in this area so he knows what’s he’s talking about. 7:30 – Taylor dives into this project via GitLab. 8:52 – GL: Super cool thing is that we are figuring out different ways to do things. It’s really cool stuff that we are doing. 9:23 – Panel: I’ve worked on projects when the frontend people and the data people are doing 2 different things. And they don’t know what each other group is doing. It’s interesting to bring the two things together. I see that teams have a hard time working together when it’s too separated. 10:31 – Panel: Can we get a definition of data scientist vs. a data engineer. 10:44 – Panel: Definitions of DATA SCIENCE and DATA ENGINEER are. 11:39 – GL: That is pretty close. Data science means different things to different people. 12:51 – Panel chimes in. 13:00 – Panel asks a question. 13:11 – GL: When I started working on Meltano... 14:26 – Panel: Looker is a visualization tool; I thought: I bet we can make that. I have been recreating something like Looker. We are trying to replace Looker. We are recreating a lot of the functionality of Looker. 15:10 – Panel will this be called...? 15:31 – Meltano analyze it’s apart of Meltano. Cool thing about Looker it has these files that show the whole visualization – drag and drop. With these files we can do version control. It’s built in – and if you drag it’s apart of a database. We took these files and we... 17:37 – Panel: Define Vue for that, please? 17:49 – GL dives into this topic. 18:40 – GL mentions Node. 18:52 – Chuck: What format does your data take? Do you have different reports that get sent? How does that work? 19:13 – GL: It tells a list of measures and dimensions. I setup our database to... 20:13 – Panel: Question. You chose Vue and it’s working. The reality you could have chosen any other tools. Why really did you choose Vue? 20:30 – GL: I know Vue really well. In the early 2000s I had my... If I have to repeat a process I always use Vue, because it’s the thing I am most comfortable with. This is how I program things very quickly. 21:10 – Panel: How has Vue met or exceeded or not met those expectations? 21:20 – GL: It has exceeded my expectations. One of the things is that as I am trying to staff a team I am trying to write Vue so when people see it they don’t think, “why would he do that?” 22:53 – Flux inspired architecture. 23:07 – GitLab continues the talk. 23:21 – Everything is Flux inspired in the sense that it was an idea to start with and then everybody made alterations and built things on top of that. 23:48 – Panel chimes in. 24:35 – Panel: Can you speak on the process of the workflow and process you work in Taylor and the data science and the frontend of it? 24:54 – GL: It’s the same but different. GitLab talks about Meltano some more, and also Taylor. GL: Taylor is trying to solve all these problems through Meltano. Maybe we can build our own tools? 26:05 – Panel: What’s a Lever Extractor?! 26:14 – GL: Answers this question. 26:25 – Panel: So it’s not a technical term...okay. 26:30 – GitLab continues the talk and discusses different tools. 27:18 – Panel: You are grabbing that data and Taylor is doing his magic? Or is it more integrated? 27:32 – GL answers this question. 29:06 – GitLab: In the beginning we are building that extractors for the other team, but later... The cool thing about Meltano is making it like Word Press. We have an extractor, different directories other things will be discovered by Meltano and discovered by the Gooey. If you write it correctly it can hook on to it. 30:00 – Digital Ocean Advertisement 31:38 – Panel: Meltano is a mix between Python and JavaScript or Vue? 30:43 – GL: Yeah... 31:20 – Panel asks question. How are you orchestrating the data? 31:32 – GL: Eventually it will happen with GitLab CUI. We are thinking we can orchestrate other ways. Right now it’s manually. 32:33 – GL: I like finding some sort of language that doesn’t have an extension...and writing... 32:54 – GL: I’m excited to use a tool that does things the right way like loading and transforming data but the frontend can be a joy to use. A previous company that I worked with and thought: It would be a joy to work with and connect to things that make sense, and do things the “right way”. I hope that’s what we can do with Meltano. I’m not a frontend person, but I appreciate it. 34:03 – GL: This is what I’m going to do...we will have these conversations between Taylor, myself, and our teams. 34:53 – Panel: This is a tool that people need to DL, maybe will you guys host this somewhere as a service. 35:10 – GL: We are trying to get this running. Small steps. It’s not out of the question and it’s not out of the question for this to be a service. 35:33 – GL: What do you want to do with the data warehouse? Your data is yours. 36:06 – Panel: Yeah, you don’t want to be in-charge of that. 36:17 – Panel: Have we asked where the name Meltano came from? 36:30 – GL: It sounds like a weird name. Here is the background of the name of “Meltano” came from. First name was from a sperm whale, it’s a unique name: Cachalot. 38:02 – GL: Conversation continues. 38:38 – Panel chimes in. 38:58 – GL: What does this program offering and doing...This was to help me with the name. 39:27 – GL: Acronym for Meltano: Model / Extract / Load / Transform / Analyze / Notebook / Orchestrate 39:47 – GL continues. They talk about notebooks. 40:19 –Sounds like a Daft Punk album! 40:28 – GL: I am trying to get more on the data science side. 40:57 – Panel: Question. Is Meltano super responsive and quick? 41:17 – GL: It depends on the size of the data, of course, but it is very responsive. 42:11 – GL: That job took 7-8 hours to extract everything for that specific project. 42:39 – GL: There are a lot of moving parts, so that could depend on it slowing it down or speeding it up. 43:01 – When you were building Meltano for your team, for the visualization how do you make decisions on what exactly you are visualizing? 43:18 – GL: That is the tricky part...you are one team. We are trying to find at a point where the data team is happy. One thing for example I put out a bar chart. Team member said that bar charts should always be vertical. So I am learning how they work and their wealth of information on visualization. 44:33 – Panel: Chris always does visualization. 44:48 – GL: Emily is on the team, and knows a lot about that. The correct way to visualize data so it doesn’t just look “cool.” You want it to be useful. Chart JS is what I use. 45:32 – Panel: I have used Chart JS before, too. 46:00 – Chris: I really like... 46:37 – Panel continues this conversation. 47:01 – Panel: Keynote will be given by...at this conference. 47:11 – GL continues to talk about this conversation. From nothing to something in a short amount of time. When I showed people: 47:55 – Panel: are you using Vue transitions? 48:09 – GL: Nope not even slightly. My plan was to use Vue transitions but it’s icing on the cake. Just get it working. 48:29 – Panel: A link of how I use... 49:14 – GL: This is a very small amount of code to where you are. It’s not like you had to re-implement triangles or anything like that. 49:36 – Panel: It does take some time but once you get it – you get it. 49:59 – Panel: When working with axis it can get hairy. 50:52 – GL: D3 really does a lot of the math for you and fits right it once you know how it works. You can draw anything with HTML. Check Links. 52:19 – Panel: There are a million different ways to do visualizations. There is math behind... 53:08 – Panel: D3 also helps with de-clustering. 53:25 – Panel: Any recommendations with someone who wants to dive into D3? 53:37 – GL: Tutorials have gotten better over time. 53:57 – Panel continues the conversation. 54:19 – GL: D3 Version 4 and 5 was one big library. You have C3 – what’s your opinion on C3? 55:00 – GL: have no strong opinions. 55:03 – Chuck chimes in. 55:18 – Panel continues this conversation. 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