Conversations with a Wounded Healer

Some advice for therapists and those in adjacent healing professions: This (gestures wildly at everything) is not the time to close ranks. We're being called to proceed with less ego and more accountability. Lately, however, anger (much of it warranted) and impatience have turned accountability into more of a cudgel than the intended call-in.  Tamila Gresham is here to reconnect us to core strategies that have always worked but may have gotten away from us in the current social climate (see: anger and impatience). Tamila is co-founder of Harmonize, a consulting firm that helps organizations bridge the gap between values, vision, and impact. Tamila centers justice and heart-work in her efforts to change organizations and the world. She's our people, and you're gonna love her as much as I do. GUEST BIO Tamila Gresham is a co-founder of Harmonize, a consulting firm helping organizations bridge the gap between values, vision, and impact. She's a life-long educator, with formal education in law, sociology, & philosophy. She centers justice and heart work in her efforts to change organizations to change the world. *** Join the Group Practice (R)evolution! GPR is a new platform and podcast series offering insights from owners, employees, and experts, and resources to support this wildly ambitious vision for the future. For a limited time, podcast listeners can get a full year of membership for only $19.99 by using the discount code PODCAST.  Visit: https://tinyurl.com/GPRPodcast and click on “have a coupon” and enter PODCAST to enjoy all the perks of Group Practice (R)evolution for a year!  SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website Facebook @headheartbiztherapy Instagram @headheartbiztherapy  

How can we learn from past experiences to improve future practices? You may not know this but LGBTQ-focused group practices are a fairly recent development in our field. Jeff Levy recounts his journey from co-founding Live Oak, in Chicago, to his current solo private practice with a focus on virtual therapy and consultations. He and Sarah discuss the evolution of group practices, market shifts post-COVID, and the challenges of maintaining a practice including capital investment, balancing client and staff needs, and transparency in financial operations.  *** Group Practice (R)evolution is a new platform and podcast series offering insights from owners, employees, and experts, and resources to support this wildly ambitious vision for the future.  Podcast episodes are available for free in this feed for a limited time. If you want to hear more episodes like this one and access Sarah's “why do you stay?” interview template… Join other leaders in the Group Practice (R)evolution! Available episodes include: Sustainable Solutions for Staff Retention and Satisfaction with Jennifer Froemel  Creating Emotional Safety, Belonging, and Buy-In With Your Staff with Mirjam Quinn  Regular podcast listeners can get a full year of membership for only $19.99 by using the discount code PODCAST. So visit: https://tinyurl.com/GPRPodcast and click on “have a coupon” and enter PODCAST to enjoy all the perks of Group Practice (R)evolution for a year!  *** About Our Guest: Jeff Levy, LCSW, is a licensed clinical social worker with over 30 years of experience. For the past six years, he has maintained a private practice, where he offers psychotherapy, consultation, and training to fellow clinicians. Prior to that, he spent over 14 years as co-founder and CEO of Live Oak, Inc., a group practice in Chicago. Jeff began his career as a recreation therapist working with youth in foster care and residential settings—early work that shaped his enduring commitment to trauma-informed, LGBTQIA+ affirmative, and relational care. jrlevymsw@gmail.com www.jeffreylevylcsw.com

David Allen is quietly and thoroughly advancing the notion of masculinity into a new era. He's a tattoo artist working with post-mastectomy clients in Chicago. David is also a father who, despite his childhood wounds, has devoted himself to raising emotionally intelligent kids. It's a path informed by his work with cancer patients, his ancestral lineage, and his commitment to therapy.  If you missed the first half of our conversation, go back one episode where you'll learn about David's artistry and quest for self-awareness. GUEST BIO David Allen is a Chicago-based tattoo artist known for his bespoke floral designs that transform mastectomy scars into powerful expressions of healing and renewal. With a deep respect for each client's voice and story, David approaches tattooing as a collaborative process — one that centers agency, artistry, and emotional care. His work is rooted in compassion, intention, and connection. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! 1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website Facebook @headheartbiztherapy Instagram @headheartbiztherapy  

Look for the helpers. It's a simple axiom meant to comfort small children, a reminder to find supportive adults in times of distress. But good advice doesn't stop being good just because we've aged out of the original target audience. Adults need helpers, too. David Allen is an absolute gem of a helper, an art director turned tattoo artist who works with post-mastectomy clients in Chicago. While breast cancer survivors aren't the whole of his business, David gratefully acknowledges the indelible mark that these warriors have left on his personal life and professional outlook. GUEST BIO David Allen is a Chicago-based tattoo artist known for his bespoke floral designs that transform mastectomy scars into powerful expressions of healing and renewal. With a deep respect for each client's voice and story, David approaches tattooing as a collaborative process — one that centers agency, artistry, and emotional care. His work is rooted in compassion, intention, and connection. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! 1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website Facebook @headheartbiztherapy Instagram @headheartbiztherapy  

If you work inside a group practice, why do you stay? And if you lead a group practice, do you know why your employees stay? Or… why they don't? Jennifer Fromel is a bilingual mental health clinician with over 30 years of experience across various clinical and supervisory settings, specializing in trauma, evidence-based interventions, and integrative therapy approaches. She is actively involved in professional networks, serving as a leader in counseling organizations, advisory boards, and community collaborations while advocating for accessible mental health care for diverse populations. Recognized for her expertise and contributions, Jennifer has been featured as a psychological expert on media platforms, regularly presents on Latino community treatment approaches, and has received awards for her clinical excellence and human rights advocacy. www.innovativecounselingpartners.com The Fear of Change Podcast *** Group Practice (R)evolution is a new platform and podcast series offering insights from owners, employees, and experts, and resources to support this wildly ambitious vision for the future.  Podcast episodes are available for free in this feed for a limited time. If you want to hear more episodes like this one and access Sarah's “why do you stay?” interview template… Be one of the first leaders to join the Group Practice (R)evolution!

Ready to dive into artificial intelligence in the therapy space?! Steve Duke, founder of The Hemingway Group, is back for part two of our conversation. Steve helps us think more purposefully about how we can AI-proof the relational component of therapy while acknowledging that the tech may make other aspects of the job easier, like note-taking. GUEST BIO Steve Duke (he/him) is the founder of The Hemingway Group - a business working with mental health organisations to help them succeed clinically and commercially. He also writes an industry publication called The Hemingway Report, which is read by thousands of mental health operators and clinicians each week.    Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group!   1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book!   Conversations With a Wounded Healer Listener Feedback 2025 Help me to get to know you better and enter a massive giveaway! Share your feedback & enter to win   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website Facebook @headheartbiztherapy Instagram @headheartbiztherapy

How are y'all doing while the United States (specifically) plummets into political, social, and economic freefall? Therapists are freaking tf out right with good reason. We're at a tipping point in the evolution of our field, especially when it comes to the rapid ascendancy of venture capital, consolidation, and technology––those AI chatbots lurking and learning in the digital shadows.  I sound the alarm to encourage resistance. Steve Duke is one of the bright minds I turn to for data-driven inspiration and motivation. He founded The Hemingway Group, a business working with mental health organizations to help them succeed clinically and commercially. He's parlayed his experiences at McKinsey and two unicorn startups to help leaders scale mental health innovations. GUEST BIO Steve Duke (he/him) is the founder of The Hemingway Group - a business working with mental health organisations to help them succeed clinically and commercially. He also writes an industry publication called The Hemingway Report, which is read by thousands of mental health operators and clinicians each week.    Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group!   1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book!   Conversations With a Wounded Healer Listener Feedback 2025 Help me to get to know you better and enter a massive giveaway! Share your feedback & enter to win   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website Facebook @headheartbiztherapy Instagram @headheartbiztherapy    

How do you support group practice employees to feel connected, engaged, and motivated? HINT: It might have something to do with building the capacity to receive and act on feedback. Mirjam Quinn (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist and the founder of Mirjam Quinn and Associates, a group practice in Chicago that provides affirming therapy, testing, and teaching to people 3 - 104 in Chicago and virtually around the country. Their practice mission is breaking patterns to foster connection, compassion, and community. She loves her three kids, her husband, her dog, the two non-profits she dedicates her free time to, and running. mirjamquinnandassociates.com Instagram MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE Heart Rate Synchrony in Psychological Counseling: A Case Study *** Group Practice (R)evolution is a new platform and podcast series offering insights from owners, employees, and experts, and resources to support this wildly ambitious vision for the future. Podcast episodes are available for free in this feed for a limited time. If you want to hear more episodes like this one… Be one of the first leaders to join the Group Practice (R)evolution!  

“I thought I knew what this conversation might be like. I had all my worries, concerns, and anticipations of what might be brought up––and it didn't go that way,” laughs Heather Lovegood.  Intrigued??  Check out part one, and then come back here for the conclusion of my conversation with Heather, a holistic bodyworker and lymphatic drainage expert who provides healing-centered, trauma-trained services to clients in Chicago. We're exploring the interconnectedness of everything, the subtle energy of Indigenous wisdom, and the power we claim (or not) in spaces where healing occurs. GUEST BIO A long-time student of life, Heather Lovegood's own healing path led her to the healing arts, specifically bodywork. Drawing from these tools for both her personal practice and her work with clients has been the deepest gift and greatest of teachers.   Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group!   1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book!   Conversations With a Wounded Healer Listener Feedback 2025 Help me to get to know you better and enter a massive giveaway! Share your feedback & enter to win   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… My Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy

I'm a firm believer in the connectedness of everything. Healing happens at the intersection of spirituality, science, and Indigenous wisdom. Sure, each principle can (and has!) exist in its own sphere, but the true magic is in the mix. Heather Lovegood agrees. She's a holistic bodyworker and lymphatic drainage expert who provides healing-centered, trauma-trained services to clients in Chicago. She helps people build the capacity to identify and release buried, inflammatory emotions–those squishy, sticky, and often devastating sensations that our bodies hold onto in the wake of complex trauma or prolonged periods of stress.  GUEST BIO A long-time student of life, Heather Lovegood's own healing path led her to the healing arts, specifically bodywork. Drawing from these tools for both her personal practice and her work with clients has been the deepest gift and greatest of teachers.  Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! 1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book!  Conversations With a Wounded Healer Listener Feedback 2025 Help me to get to know you better and enter a massive giveaway! Share your feedback & enter to win   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… My Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy  

How do we bridge the divide between practice owners and employees in the therapy field to create better healing environments for everyone?  Discover how innovation, open communication, and shared values can transform group practices, resulting in a culture of connection. Group Practice Revolution is a new platform and podcast series offering insights from owners, employees, and experts, and resources to support this wildly ambitious vision for the future! Learn more about how you can join the Group Practice Revolution! *** Group Practice (R)evolution platform is in beta testing mode! We're just getting everything up and running. But if you just CAN'T WAIT and want to join the revolution now, use code REVBETA25 to get a 3-month trial membership for $10!  Sign up here!   Group Practice (R)evolution Website Head/Heart Business Therapy Website  Facebook @headheartbiztherapy Instagram @headheartbiztherapy

Leadership is lonely, y'all. It's also hella rewarding. Cara Chae, LCPC, knows this duality all too well. She's working on finding (and holding!) the balance between the two––an evolutionary pursuit that resonates with many.  GUEST BIO Cara Chae, LCPC, (she/her) is a psychotherapist working in a group private practice in Chicago. Her professional interests include working with issues related to Attachment (parenting, relationships, childhood wounds), and, more recently, Neuroplastic Symptoms. Cara's second full time job is parenting her two elementary school aged children while trying to simultaneously take care of herself, too. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! 1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book!  Conversations With a Wounded Healer Listener Feedback 2025 Help me to get to know you better and enter a massive giveaway! Share your feedback & enter to win SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… My Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy  

Cue the klieg lights and gift bags because THIS episode marks the seventh anniversary of Conversations With A Wounded Healer! Major thanks to everyone from the OG fans to the newbies. I couldn't do it without you, which is the perfect segue to today's episode. Cara Chae, LCPC, is a psychotherapist at Inner Voice Psychotherapy, a group private practice in Chicago. She focuses on issues related to attachment (parenting, relationships, childhood wounds) and, more recently, neuroplastic symptoms. Cara also spent eight months as a member of my Authentic Leaders Group. I thought it might be interesting to explore some of her a-ha! moments and group experience on the podcast. GUEST BIO Cara Chae, LCPC, (she/her) is a psychotherapist working in a group private practice in Chicago. Her professional interests include working with issues related to Attachment (parenting, relationships, childhood wounds), and, more recently, Neuroplastic Symptoms. Cara's second full time job is parenting her two elementary school aged children while trying to simultaneously take care of herself, too. *** GET TO KNOW THE GUESTS FEATURED IN OUR ANNIVERSARY GIVEAWAY! Reframing and Repairing Our Relationship to Power With Amanda Aguilera, The Right Use of Power Institute Loretta Pyles - Radical Self-Care and Rewilding in Everyday Practice Shelly Tochluk – A Roadmap for White Folks to Discard Shame, Dismantle Whiteness, and Live an Anti-Racist Life Virginia Castillo - Clairvoyance, Spiritual Development and Unexpected Career Paths Mishara Winston - A Model for Communal Mental Wellness Mishara Winston - Eat Snacks / Take Naps Kira Macoun - Somatic Movement And Embodied Activism Allison Staiger - Rage And The Emotional Labor Of Parenting Annie Schuessler, Rebel Therapist - Make an Impact Beyond Traditional Private Practice The Burnt Out Practice Owner: What Do You Do When Managing Your Group Practice Starts To Feel Like A Burden? With Rebel Therapist™ Creator Annie Schuessler Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time? Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Join the waitlist now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! 1:1 With Sarah Wounded healers need supervision too. Sarah is passionate about fostering therapists' personal and professional growth through mentoring, supervision, and consultation. Mentoring options are available for therapists who are looking for a transformative supervision experience and practice owners who are looking for customized support. Supervision not only plays a crucial role in the professional development and ethical practice of therapists, but also provides parallel process for our own healing. In consultations, Sarah helps practice owners align their business with their lifestyle goals. Together, we'll look at both the concrete business practices as well as the emotional stuff that complicates business ownership.   Reach out to find out more and book!  SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… My Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy      

If you missed Part One of my conversation with sociocracy expert Ted Rau, PhD., hit play on that episode now. You won't be disappointed, nor will you want to miss our introduction to sociocracy, the decentralized way for organizations, workplaces, and communities to make decisions.  In Part Two, Ted and I expand on how sociocracy might work in the group practice environment and how the fundamental issues of trust, personal power, and organizational accountability inform its success.  GUEST BIO Ted Rau is an advocate, trainer, and consultant for self-governance with a focus on sociocracy. After earning a PhD in linguistics and working in academia, he co-founded Sociocracy For All in 2016, a now global organization with 250 members. Ted consults with mission-driven organizations, teaches, and actively participates in Sociocracy For All's work. A transgender man and father of five, Ted has lived in Massachusetts since 2010. He is the co-author of three books on self-governance, including Many Voices One Song (2018) and Collective Power (2023), and is currently writing on governance and wisdom.   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find me in the following places… My Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy  

Change may be inevitable, but it's far from easy. That's especially true in the therapy field. Part of my own shift is a greater focus (on this podcast and IRL) on system-wide transformation, especially in the group practice realm. How do we bridge the gap between employees and owners when both feel overworked and underpaid?  Sociocracy could be the answer. But first, what the heck is sociocracy? Ted Rau, PhD., co-founded Sociocracy For All (SoFA), a nonprofit that makes decentralized, consent-based governance accessible to workplaces, organizations, and communities. He knows a lot about how sociocracy works in principle and practice, having become a practitioner of the governance style as a member of an intentional living community. GUEST BIO Ted Rau is an advocate, trainer, and consultant for self-governance with a focus on sociocracy. After earning a PhD in linguistics and working in academia, he co-founded Sociocracy For All in 2016, a now global organization with 250 members. Ted consults with mission-driven organizations, teaches, and actively participates in Sociocracy For All's work. A transgender man and father of five, Ted has lived in Massachusetts since 2010. He is the co-author of three books on self-governance, including Many Voices One Song (2018) and Collective Power (2023), and is currently writing on governance and wisdom. *** SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy  

In the words of my esteemed co-host, Anne Remy, “There's a difference between an elder and a person who is older than you.” Judith Lewis Herman, MD, is wise––a psychiatrist, professor, researcher, author, and advocate who helped establish the diagnosis of PTSD back before many of us were born. In addition to her work with veterans and children, Judith fundamentally altered the discourse around women's traumatic experiences and pioneered subsequent treatments for victims of abuse. How's that for street-cred sagacity!? I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that this is Anne Remy's final episode as co-host. Don't worry, it's all for good! You can find out more by tuning in. I couldn't think of a more fitting interview than this to close out Anne's incredible tenure. It's been my pleasure and privilege to share this virtual space with her. GUEST BIO Judith Lewis Herman, MD, is a part-time senior lecturer in psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. For 30 years until she retired, she was director of training at the Victims of Violence Program at the Cambridge Hospital in Cambridge, MA. She's the author of award-winning books, Father-Daughter Incest and Trauma And Recovery. She is the recipient of numerous awards, including a Guggenheim Fellowship in 1984 and the 1996 Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies like that's life goals. In 2007, she was named a Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association. Her new book, Truth And Repair: How Trauma Survivors Envision Justice was published in March 2023. Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy: From Disruption to Innovation Are you feeling the seismic shifts currently reshaping the therapy field? From AI to rising healthcare costs, our field is at a crossroads – but what if these disruptions weren't just challenges, but opportunities for transformation? I'm excited to introduce "Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy" – a groundbreaking 12-week program where I've partnered with organizational consultant Marc Mathys to help therapists navigate and thrive in these changing times. Together, we'll explore how cultural values and systemic forces are impacting mental health care. You'll learn to apply powerful frameworks like Spiral Dynamics to enhance your practice, transform challenges into opportunities, and develop practical strategies for both you and your clients. Starting February 13th, 2025, we'll meet virtually every Thursday for live, interactive sessions. You'll earn a Level 1 Certification in Spiral Dynamics, and up to 24 CEUs are available. This isn't just about surviving these tumultuous times – it's about working together to create positive change. Visit https://bit.ly/futureoftherapy to register today. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

There's no denying that our systems and selves are at a crossroads. So, my fellow therapists, will we accept the universe's invitation to evolve, or will the profession regress beyond the point of no return?  Ki Smith believes in the potential of the collective to transform and transcend our current fractured moment. They're a psychotherapist, coach, mediator, and facilitator of power-conscious nonviolent communication and an affiliated teacher with the Right Use Of Power Institute. The two of us explore what it means to foster personal and professional relationships in which collective care is valued, communal wisdom is centered, and power to the people is reinforced. GUEST BIO Ki Smith (she/they) is an Internal Family Systems (IFS)-trained contemplative psychotherapist, coach, mediator, and facilitator of Power-Conscious Nonviolent Communication, and an affiliated teacher with the Right Use of Power Institute. Ki works with individuals, dyads, and groups to support restoration, healing, and transformation. She is passionate about co-creating beloved community where collective care is valued, collective wisdom is centered, and collective power is strengthened. Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy: From Disruption to Innovation Are you feeling the seismic shifts currently reshaping the therapy field? From AI to rising healthcare costs, our field is at a crossroads – but what if these disruptions weren't just challenges, but opportunities for transformation? I'm excited to introduce "Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy" – a groundbreaking 12-week program where I've partnered with organizational consultant Marc Mathys to help therapists navigate and thrive in these changing times. Together, we'll explore how cultural values and systemic forces are impacting mental health care. You'll learn to apply powerful frameworks like Spiral Dynamics to enhance your practice, transform challenges into opportunities, and develop practical strategies for both you and your clients. Starting February 13th, 2025, we'll meet virtually every Thursday for live, interactive sessions. You'll earn a Level 1 Certification in Spiral Dynamics, and up to 24 CEUs are available. This isn't just about surviving these tumultuous times – it's about working together to create positive change. Visit https://bit.ly/futureoftherapy to register today. Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group!   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Let's play fill-in-the-blank: Sex is _____ . The possibilities are endless! But, my word of choice is intimate. It's a perfect shorthand for the spectrum of desires, experiences, and, yes, traumas that inform every sexual encounter––even if the act in question is fake. As in: part of an acclaimed Hollywood film in which sex represents the main character's evolving agency.  Intimacy Coordinator Elle McAlpine has worked on some impressive projects, including the award-winning film, Poor Things and the award-winning Netflix series Baby Reindeer. Co-host Anne Remy engages Elle in a nuanced conversation about the power dynamics, energy transference, and permission structures at play behind the scenes of our favorite films and series. GUEST BIO Elle McAlpine is the co-founder of EK Intimacy and brings a unique perspective to intimacy coordination through her background in acting and directing. Passionate about exploring character psychology and storytelling through sexual expression, she helps create spaces where actors can approach intimate scenes with agency and creativity. Her recent work includes Poor Things, One Day, and The Winter King. Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy: From Disruption to Innovation Are you feeling the seismic shifts currently reshaping the therapy field? From AI to rising healthcare costs, our field is at a crossroads – but what if these disruptions weren't just challenges, but opportunities for transformation? I'm excited to introduce "Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy" – a groundbreaking 12-week program where I've partnered with organizational consultant Marc Mathys to help therapists navigate and thrive in these changing times. Together, we'll explore how cultural values and systemic forces are impacting mental health care. You'll learn to apply powerful frameworks like Spiral Dynamics to enhance your practice, transform challenges into opportunities, and develop practical strategies for both you and your clients. Starting February 13th, 2025, we'll meet virtually every Thursday for live, interactive sessions. You'll earn a Level 1 Certification in Spiral Dynamics, and up to 24 CEUs are available. This isn't just about surviving these tumultuous times – it's about working together to create positive change. Visit https://bit.ly/futureoftherapy to register today. Know the Numbers/Navigate the Feelings: Financial Literacy for Group Practice Owners Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month! The final meetings for 2024 will be on 12/19. In January we'll meet on 1/16. Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. 1 CE available for social workers and counselors who attend the session live.  Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Oh, fellow therapists, how I love you! That said, I'm super-concerned about our capacity to move through interpersonal challenges exacerbated by, among other things, a volatile election season. My question is: How do we model being with folks outside the profession––even those we disagree with––if we can't make space for complexities of thought and motivation within our own community? Marc Mathys considers Spiral Dynamics a solid foundation on which to build. You may have already guessed that Marc and I spent the bulk of this episode exploring the trajectory of the collective. What patterns are playing out? Where are the avenues for evolution? What can we, as individuals, do to support system-wide changes in our profession, our families, or the world? GUEST BIO Marc Mathys is an accomplished specialist in organizational transformation, certified professional coach, and social entrepreneur who holds multiple degrees, including Engineering and an MBA in Responsible Management & Leadership. As co-founder of Paradigm21, he guides organizations towards agile, distributed models while serving as a sought-after consultant and trainer in Spiral Dynamics and systems change. Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy: From Disruption to Innovation Are you feeling the seismic shifts currently reshaping the therapy field? From AI to rising healthcare costs, our field is at a crossroads – but what if these disruptions weren't just challenges, but opportunities for transformation? I'm excited to introduce "Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy" – a groundbreaking 12-week program where I've partnered with organizational consultant Marc Mathys to help therapists navigate and thrive in these changing times. Together, we'll explore how cultural values and systemic forces are impacting mental health care. You'll learn to apply powerful frameworks like Spiral Dynamics to enhance your practice, transform challenges into opportunities, and develop practical strategies for both you and your clients. Starting February 13th, 2025, we'll meet virtually every Thursday for live, interactive sessions. You'll earn a Level 1 Certification in Spiral Dynamics, and up to 24 CEUs are available. This isn't just about surviving these tumultuous times – it's about working together to create positive change. Visit https://bit.ly/futureoftherapy to register today. Know the Numbers/Navigate the Feelings: Financial Literacy for Group Practice Owners Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month! The final meetings for 2024 will be on 12/19. In January we'll meet on 1/16. Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. 1 CE available for social workers and counselors who attend the session live.  Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Self-care is a basic human right. Sadly, intuitive healing practices like acupuncture are often dismissed, especially in Western society, as woo-woo or pseudoscientific time-wasters. Thank goodness for practitioners like the delightful Jo Darling in Brighton, UK!  Jo is passionate about women's health and healing, and she's also co-host Anne Remy's acupuncturist, so we'll finally get to the core of Anne's cross liver sitch. Are you curious about how acupuncture works and why this Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) has stood the test of time? Jo offers clear, supportive answers––and she does so with a delightful laugh!  GUEST BIO Jo Darling is an experienced acupuncturist based in Brighton & Hove, with a passion for supporting health and wellbeing through holistic practices. She specializes in fertility, cancer care, menopause, and pain relief, bringing a thoughtful and individualized approach to her work. Jo enjoys sharing her knowledge and insights to help others navigate their health journeys with confidence and care. REDEFINING THE FUTURE OF PSYCHOTHERAPY: FROM DISRUPTION TO INNOVATION Are you feeling the seismic shifts currently reshaping the therapy field? From AI to rising healthcare costs, our field is at a crossroads – but what if these disruptions weren't just challenges, but opportunities for transformation? I'm excited to introduce "Redefining the Future of Psychotherapy" – a groundbreaking 12-week program where I've partnered with organizational consultant Marc Mathys to help therapists navigate and thrive in these changing times. Together, we'll explore how cultural values and systemic forces are impacting mental health care. You'll learn to apply powerful frameworks like Spiral Dynamics to enhance your practice, transform challenges into opportunities, and develop practical strategies for both you and your clients. Starting February 13th, 2025, we'll meet virtually every Thursday for live, interactive sessions. You'll earn a Level 1 Certification in Spiral Dynamics, and up to 24 CEUs are available. This isn't just about surviving these tumultuous times – it's about working together to create positive change. Visit https://bit.ly/futureoftherapy to register today. KNOW THE NUMBERS/NAVIGATE THE FEELINGS: FINANCIAL LITERACY FOR GROUP PRACTICE OWNERS Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month! The final meetings for 2024 will be on 12/19. In January we'll meet on 1/16. Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. 1 CE available for social workers and counselors who attend the session live.  Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial AUTHENTIC LEADERS GROUP  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Discomfort doesn't automatically denote danger. Identifying the difference and holding those nuances takes practice. Let this episode be part of the lesson plan. Deborah Ooten, PhD., is the founder/director of the Conscious Living Center, and she's the first person to successfully merge the teachings of the Enneagram with the Spiral Dynamics evolutionary model.  I'm a fan of both models; my co-host Anne Remy isn't. Friction can rub us the wrong way AND expand our capacity for complex conversations. As Anne says, it's possible to engage with concepts that you vehemently disagree with, express concerns, explore differences, and come out the other end while still having a reasonable opinion of one another. GUEST BIO Deborah A. Ooten, PhD, is the founder/director of the Conscious Living Center. She has her doctorate in clinical psychology, is trained as a craniosacral therapist and is a Certified Enneagram Teacher in the Narrative Tradition. She is the founder and lead trainer of Conscious Dynamics, LLC. Know the Numbers/Navigate the Feelings: Financial Literacy for Group Practice Owners Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month! The final meetings for 2024 will be on 12/19. In January we'll meet on 1/16. Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. 1 CE available for social workers and counselors who attend the session live.  Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial The New Perimenopause: What Every Psychotherapist Should Know Perimenopause is a natural developmental stage and yet women (and folks with uteruses) are so often caught off guard by this important (albeit bumpy) rite of passage. Now more than ever before there are options to support women with both the mental and physical health vulnerabilities that can pop up during these years that lead up to menopause. Join Jessica Fruchter in partnership with Head/Heart Business Therapy Friday, December 6 to discuss all things perimenopause through the lenses of mind, body and spirit. RSVP at tinyurl.com/perimenochicago Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Disclaimer: No! Anne's conversation isn't with that Alex Jones. Instead, it's with Alex Jones, the creator of Humans of Brighton And Hove, an Instagram account featuring candid street photos and stories of folks in the UK's eclectic, beloved seaside village.  While Alex's photography is stunning, the captions create a broader community of compassion. They're real, raw glimpses into the subject's world. And they reveal how kindred humans are despite the manufactured divisions of race, religion, or economic status.  GUEST BIO Alex Jones is a storyteller, interviewer, and documentary photographer dedicated to capturing the depth of human experiences through intimate conversations with strangers. His work is driven by a profound desire to bring people closer together through the transformative power of storytelling. Know the Numbers/Navigate the Feelings: Financial Literacy for Group Practice Owners Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month (starting Oct. 17, 2024) Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial The New Perimenopause: What Every Psychotherapist Should Know Perimenopause is a natural developmental stage and yet women (and folks with uteruses) are so often caught off guard by this important (albeit bumpy) rite of passage. Now more than ever before there are options to support women with both the mental and physical health vulnerabilities that can pop up during these years that lead up to menopause. Join Jessica Fruchter in partnership with Head/Heart Business Therapy Friday, December 6 to discuss all things perimenopause through the lenses of mind, body and spirit. RSVP at tinyurl.com/perimenochicago Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website Facebook @headheartbiztherapy Instagram @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website Instagram @spareroomwellness  

If you're one of the 43 million Americans currently living under the crushing weight of student loan debt, that's by design, not personal failure. Under our late-stage capitalist system, the cost of a college degree has far outpaced the wages offered to pay for it.  Tiffany Konyen, a Doctoral Candidate in the Anthropology and Social Change department at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, wants to change how America thinks about financing education for its citizens. Their research offers insight into the impacts of student loan debt on material life conditions and processes of transformation within graduate education in the US.  GUEST BIO Tiffany Konyen (she/they) is a Doctoral Candidate in the Anthropology and Social Change Department at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, CA. Their research offers insight into the impacts of student loan debt on material life conditions, as well as on processes of transformation within graduate education in the US. They are a member and organizer with the Debt Collective, the country's first Debtor's Union with the expressed purpose of collectively de-stigmatizing and leveraging experiences of indebtedness towards systemic change. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be.  Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://bit.ly/cwhauthenticleaders Right Use of Power™ Basics Training in Chicago Right Use of Power™ is a dynamic, inspiring, and relational approach to the ethical use of power to promote well-being, the common good and right relationship. Our Basics Training is a 5-hour in-person learning experience for people who want to deepen their understanding of power and start to learn how to use power with strength and heart.  When: Friday, November 15, 2024 - 10:00am-4:00pm CST Where: Head/Heart Therapy, 4411 N. Ravenswood, Suite 250, Chicago Cost: Pay what you can $100-$225 includes 4 ethics CEs! Learn more and sign up at https://bit.ly/cwhrup Know the Numbers/Navigate the Feelings: Financial Literacy for Group Practice Owners Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month (starting Oct. 17, 2024) Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial The New Perimenopause: What Every Psychotherapist Should Know Perimenopause is a natural developmental stage and yet women (and folks with uteruses) are so often caught off guard by this important (albeit bumpy) rite of passage. Now more than ever before there are options to support women with both the mental and physical health vulnerabilities that can pop up during these years that lead up to menopause. Join Jessica Fruchter in partnership with Head/Heart Business Therapy Friday, December 6 to discuss all things perimenopause through the lenses of mind, body and spirit. RSVP at tinyurl.com/perimenochicago SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Independent bookshops are magical places. But building that mix of quiet corners and convivial community doesn't come without a lot of sweat equity. Indie bookshops thrive because of the booksellers behind them, real live humans who concentrate on more than just commerce.  Carolynn Bain, founder, and owner of Afrori Books in Brighton, UK, is “that” indie bookseller, an award-winning entrepreneur whose meticulously curated titles and culturally focused events define what it means to be an indispensable neighborhood resource. Since opening in October 2021, Afrori Books has become a “haven for books by Black authors” in Brighton and one of the only Black-owned, Black-focused shops in the UK. GUEST BIO Carolynn Bain is an award-winning entrepreneur, recognized as British Bookseller of the Year 2023 and Brighton Businesswoman of the Year 2023. She founded Afrori Books, a groundbreaking shop specializing in works by Black authors. Passionate about diversity and representation, Carolynn also created Brighton's Anti-Racist Kids Club (ARK), which she delivers to schools across Sussex. Carolynn's pioneering work has been highlighted on Sky, ITV, and BBC, solidifying her as a trailblazer in both business and education. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be.  Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://bit.ly/cwhauthenticleaders Right Use of Power™ Basics Training in Chicago Right Use of Power™ is a dynamic, inspiring, and relational approach to the ethical use of power to promote well-being, the common good and right relationship. Our Basics Training is a 5-hour in-person learning experience for people who want to deepen their understanding of power and start to learn how to use power with strength and heart.  When: Friday, November 15, 2024 - 10:00am-4:00pm CST Where: Head/Heart Therapy, 4411 N. Ravenswood, Suite 250, Chicago Cost: Pay what you can $100-$225 includes 4 ethics CEs! Learn more and sign up at https://bit.ly/cwhrup Know the Numbers/Navigate the Feelings: Financial Literacy for Group Practice Owners Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month (starting Oct. 17, 2024) Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial The New Perimenopause: What Every Psychotherapist Should Know Perimenopause is a natural developmental stage and yet women (and folks with uteruses) are so often caught off guard by this important (albeit bumpy) rite of passage. Now more than ever before there are options to support women with both the mental and physical health vulnerabilities that can pop up during these years that lead up to menopause. Join Jessica Fruchter in partnership with Head/Heart Business Therapy Friday, December 6 to discuss all things perimenopause through the lenses of mind, body and spirit. RSVP at tinyurl.com/perimenochicago Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group! SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

With the amount of time folks invest in their news feeds, social scrolls, podcasts, and hot-takes, you'd think we'd have a better grasp on “the whole picture.” But we only operate with a partial perspective regardless of the situation or issue. This universal truth pushes many of us toward the false comfort of binary thinking. Podcast host and Professor of Criminal Justice at Plymouth State University Dr. Mark Fischler says we don't have to pick sides. He believes that if we can get comfortable holding multiple truths at once, even if we don't understand them, we can solve society's most distressing problems. GUEST BIO Mark Fischler is an award-winning professor of criminal justice at Plymouth State University in New Hampshire. He is a former NH Public Defender. Mark also hosts a podcast on the Integral Life website called Integral Justice Warrior. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be.  Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://bit.ly/cwhauthenticleaders Right Use of Power™ Basics Training in Chicago Right Use of Power™ is a dynamic, inspiring, and relational approach to the ethical use of power to promote well-being, the common good and right relationship. Our Basics Training is a 5-hour in-person learning experience for people who want to deepen their understanding of power and start to learn how to use power with strength and heart.  When: Friday, November 15, 2024 - 10:00am-4:00pm CST Where: Head/Heart Therapy, 4411 N. Ravenswood, Suite 250, Chicago Cost: Pay what you can $100-$225 includes 4 ethics CEs! Learn more and sign up at https://bit.ly/cwhrup Know the Numbers/Navigate the Feelings: Financial Literacy for Group Practice Owners Join Aggie Chydzinski and Sarah Buino for an engaging and interactive online workshop designed specifically for group practice owners. Gain valuable insights into financial literacy and begin to build confidence in your business management skills. This workshop will equip you with essential tools to understand the numbers and address the emotions surrounding your business finances. Designed for group practice owners of businesses large and small.  Details: 7pm CST Live on Zoom - Third Thursday of every month (starting Oct. 17, 2024) Cost: Pay what you can. Guests who pay $17 or more will receive access to the recorded webinar. Save your spot here: https://bit.ly/cwhgpfinancial The New Perimenopause: What Every Psychotherapist Should Know Perimenopause is a natural developmental stage and yet women (and folks with uteruses) are so often caught off guard by this important (albiet bumpy) rite of passage. Now more than ever before there are options to support women with both the mental and physical health vulnerabilities that can pop up during these years that lead up to menopause. Join Jessica Fruchter in partnership with Head/Heart Business Therapy Friday, December 6 to discuss all things perimenopause through the lenses of mind, body and spirit. RSVP at tinyurl.com/perimenochicago  

If you like your woo-woo grounded in modern scientific understanding, this convo is for you!  Khaled ElSherbini, PhD, is the founder of Consciousness Academy (CA), the leading IEA-accredited Enneagram school located on the Sinai Peninsula, which is, coincidentally, a place that three of the world's major religions (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity) believe holds spiritual significance.  CA quickly became a destination for seeking a deeper understanding of and connection to oneself. Students appreciate Khaled's thoroughly modern scientific background and his ability to translate ancestral esoteric theories for contemporary living. He relies on the Enneagram, an ancient personality typing tool, to help students gain self-awareness and insight into their motivations and behaviors.  GUEST BIO Dr. Khaled ElSherbini is a transpersonal psychologist and former aerospace scientist. He is the visionary founder of The Consciousness Academy and Enneagram Egypt and also serves as a faculty member at Meridian University. Dr. ElSherbini dedicates his expertise to the realms of consciousness, personal development, and psycho-spiritual transformation. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leaders Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now to be part of the next Authentic Leaders Group!   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

After 18 episodes featuring conversations with burnt-out (and not burnt-out) practice owners and some of their employees, I've got survey responses that prove we can band together to form the practices we desperately want to participate in. But, owners, we gotta have a chat… Employees feel underpaid, undervalued, and undersupported, while a lot of practice owners feel underappreciated and overwhelmed. The data also emphasized chasms in our understanding of daily practice life––caseloads and onboarding, supervision and power differentials, profit distribution, and benefits packages. I can now recognize that I caused my staff a lot of harm as I tried to figure out how to run the business. You, dear practice owner, don't have to make those same mistakes. Get on the waitlist for Group Practice (R)evolution! Download a copy of the survey data slide deck from this episode at Gumroad! Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube.   SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review of this show *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: https://www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

There's a universal truth that goes something like this: To get where we're going, it's a good idea to examine where we've been. I'll add that it's also in our best interest to chat up the elders. Charlotte Sills, MA, MSc, is a psychotherapist in private practice in the UK and also an elder with intelligence and foresight to spare, literal textbooks worth of knowledge, as her conversation with co-host Anne Remy demonstrates. Charlotte and Anne occupy opposite ends of the age spectrum. Still, they're committed to learning from each other and working together to realize dreams for our profession (less racism, more connection) and humanity (less hurt, more healing). GUEST BIO Charlotte Sills (she/her) is a psychotherapist, coach, supervisor, and trainer in private practice in London UK, and on the teaching faculty of Metanoia Institute and Ashridge Hult Business School, UK. She is also Professor of Coaching at Ashridge and on the Steering Committee of the International Association of Relational Transactional Analysis. She has published widely in the field of therapy and coaching. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

All good things must end, including this special series. But not before my chat with the delightfully analog David Clinton, a dear friend and former practice owner.  After exiting his group practice just as the pandemic hit, David found his happy ending (or beginning) as a solo therapist with a limited online presence. His 20+ year career reminds us that we can contribute good things to this field by cultivating stubborn hope and an embodied way of being no matter which professional space we inhabit.  GUEST BIO David Clinton (he/him) is a licensed counselor who has worked in private practice for over 20 years in the western suburbs outside of Chicago. During that time he has served as a clinician, supervisor, and group practice owner. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

As therapists, we're famous for not doing our own work, so, of course, we shy away from acknowledging that we hold any power at all. Worse, we conflate power and cruelty, an assumption that keeps us mired in fear and inaction. But now that we've identified the issue, we can transform it.  Dr. Amanda Aguilera is one of my favorite facilitators for this kind of work. She's the executive director of The Right Use Of Power Institute (RUPI), a global non-profit that helps people utilize their power with “awareness, wisdom, compassion, and skill.” I've been training with RUPI for a couple of months now and I'm thrilled to report that the entire organization is aligned with the vision set forth by its founder, Dr. Cedar Barstow, to inspire and support anyone who wants to use their power in the most ethical way possible. GUEST BIO Dr. Amanda Aguilera (she/her/ella) is a consultant and facilitator in the area of power-and-equity consciousness and conflict resolution. Driven by her core values of curiosity, courage, and connection, Amanda is adept at putting things together in new ways, creating visuals that help make learning more accessible, and communicating complex ideas in simple ways. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Hey, white practice owners! The secret to building a business that embodies the principles of equity, inclusivity, and anti-racism is… Actually, I'll let my guests do the honors. Gabi Granoff, PsyD., is the co-owner of Solway Psychology, a racially diverse practice in Chicago. Evelyn Williams, LSW, is a clinician and intake manager at the practice. They personify what's possible when everyone takes responsibility for strengthening their side of the owner-employee relationship. GUEST BIO Gabi Granoff, PsyD., (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist and the co-owner of Solway Psychology, a group private practice in Chicago. At Solway, Gabi serves as the Clinical Director and feels honored to support other therapists to connect to their most authentic selves. Her own clinical work is focused on complex trauma with psychodynamic, relational, feminist, multicultural and somatic lenses. Evelyn Williams, LSW, (she/her) completed her Master of Social Work degree at the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana and has over 25 years of clinical experience across various settings; including large non-profits, outpatient clinics, crisis intervention, schools, and now private practice. She has provided both clinical and administrative supervision to social work interns and professionals. Equitable Care Certification  One of the identities often missed from therapists' radar is sex workers. Sex workers are disproportionately excluded or harmed in the context of policing social services, healthcare, emergency services, and mental health support.  What would it mean to be a sex work affirming provider?   Equitable Care Certification is a nonprofit sex worker led organization trying to create better mental health care for the sex work community.  Check out their 36-hour certification course and show up for sex workers in your community this year. To find out more, visit equitablecarecertification.com Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Confession time: I harbor biases against folks who call themselves coaches. The profession is completely unregulated, and many (most?) coaches lack the education necessary to help clients navigate change. Anne's conversation with longtime friend and, ahem, executive and team coach Whitney Capps challenged my prejudices as much as it corroborated my rationale for remaining skeptical. GUEST BIO Whitney Capps (she/her) is on a mission for transformation! Learning is best when it's experiential, community-based, personal, and fun. She has been facilitating, training, coaching, hosting development programming for humans for over ten years. Currently, Whitney is sharing her gifts and sharpening her practice with emerging leaders and teams via her own LLC Rootworks and with a number of other coaching/development organizations. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group Equitable Care Certification  One of the identities often missed from therapists' radar is sex workers. Sex workers are disproportionately excluded or harmed in the context of policing social services, healthcare, emergency services, and mental health support.  What would it mean to be a sex work affirming provider?   Equitable Care Certification is a nonprofit sex worker led organization trying to create better mental health care for the sex work community.  Check out their 36-hour certification course and show up for sex workers in your community this year. To find out more, visit equitablecarecertification.com SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

I live for the day when mental health providers can accept houseplants as payment for services rendered. Until then, money remains both the glue and the wedge of any practice owner/employee relationship.  Thankfully, Casey Gromer, founder of C-Suite Boutique, can help us all navigate the sticky financial realities of small business life and feel more empowered regarding “the money stuff.”  GUEST BIO Casey Gromer, the founder of C-Suite Boutique and host of the Female Founders Breaking Boundaries podcast, specializes in helping visionary practice owners create profit by implementing leadership and accountability systems. She offers valuable insights on topics like effective delegation of ownership, performance accountability, and creating leadership structure. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

Finally! A catch-up with Rayell Grayson, LCPC CADC, owner and president of Head/Heart Therapy, the practice I built, owned for a decade, and sold last year. Tea is spilled, fears are expressed, and love is freely shared.  Our convo demonstrates the myriad ways owners can show up––for ourselves, our employees, and the leaders who will one day succeed us, especially if that future owner holds multiple intersectional identities. GUEST BIO Rayell Grayson, LCPC CADC, (she/her/hers) is a therapist, a mentor, and the owner of Head Heart Therapy. She is a licensed clinical professional counselor and certified addictions counselor, holding a Master's of Arts degree in clinical counseling psychology from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. AUTHENTIC LEADERS GROUP  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Part II of my conversation with Trace Bell shall forever more be referred to as “The One Where We Dig Into Spiral Dynamics”. If you're new to SD, it helps to think of it as a modern language that expands our understanding of the stages of evolutionary development in individuals, organizations, or whole societies.  Still confused? Don't be. SD is simply another tool that therapists can reference, easily coexisting alongside Maslow's hierarchy of needs, Erickson's stages of development, or any other preferred model. GUEST BIO: Trace Bell is an integration guide, transformational coach, and cultivator of emergence. He is passionate about the intersection of consciousness and systems change and co-founded a non-profit called Holon Institute that is dedicated to helping people heal the separation from themselves, each other and nature. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

The context of this rare two-part conversation is Spiral Dynamics (SD), a model that gauges the evolutionary development of individuals, societies, cultures, and organizations. Shepherding us through the details of this model is Trace Bell, an integration guide and transformational coach. Part I of our chat delves into Trace's background and the childhood forces that shaped his adult perspective. It's an origins story that includes the poli-sci track at UCLA,  megachurches, and an influential pastor father. GUEST BIO Trace Bell is an integration guide, transformational coach, and cultivator of emergence. He is passionate about the intersection of consciousness and systems change and co-founded a non-profit called Holon Institute that is dedicated to helping people heal the separation from themselves, each other and nature. Authentic Leaders Group  Are you a therapist stepping into leadership for the first time?  Or maybe you've been in a leadership position for a while, but are bumping up against new struggles? Our Authentic Leadership Group is here to help you become the authentic and wholehearted leader you aspire to be. And we believe this journey is best undertaken with the guidance of experienced mentors alongside fellow learners. Next cohort starts November 2024!  Join Sarah in this journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll enhance your leadership skills and forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Register now at https://www.headheartbiztherapy.com/authentic-leaders-group SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Liberation is a two-way street, dear practice owner. Making an innovative, enlightened leap forward means going up against old ways of doing things.  Unsustainable management practices! Limiting mindsets! Antiquated business models! To say nothing of capitalism, racism, or the patriarchy. Jessica Eubanks Chavira, LCSW-S, wanted to liberate herself and her community. Once she articulated that desire, Jessica divorced herself from white supremacy culture and created Purple Couch Counseling, a sacred space cultivated specifically for Black womxn healing.  GUEST BIO Jessica Eubanks-Chavira, LCSW-S, is the owner and founder of Purple Couch Therapy. She is a mother, wife, goofy, human, imperfect, rooted, system disrupter, norm shifter, and grief warrior. Jess uses a historical, intergenerational, institutional, and interpersonal lens when working with people. Basically, we know it's not all on you; there are many factors that play into our mental health… and you're doing your best to thrive despite everything. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

I know from burnout, that combination of bone-deep mental, physical, and emotional exhaustion that manifests in feelings of overwhelm, joylessness, and desperation. Sadly, you probably do, too. Anne's unexpectedly musical convo with author and choir director Amelia Nagoski, DMA, is the burnout primer we all need: the science behind it, the antidote for it, and why women experience it differently than men. Because, of course, we do. Amelia shares the good/bad news from her book Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle, which she co-wrote alongside her twin sister Emily Nagoski, PhD. GUEST BIO Amelia Nagoski, D.M.A., was an Associate Professor and Coordinator of Music at Western New England University. She co-authored the New York Times bestseller Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle with her sister Emily Nagoski, Ph.D. Amelia's work involves helping singers connect with their internal experiences through dynamic techniques. She lives in New England with her husband, one cat, and two rescue dogs. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Welcome to the reckoning––mine, not yours. I made dozens (hundreds?) of mistakes as a practice owner, and while I can't take any of them back, this series is a way of paying my accountability forward.  Jenna Alfaro, LCSW, CADC, is here to hold me to that promise. She's a former employee of mine and, while our professional association didn't end Bravo-Reunion-Special bad, its demise does confirm my blindspots (onboarding, task delegation). It also illustrates where Jenna might have claimed more agency. GUEST BIO Jenna Alfaro, LCSW, CADC, specializes in trauma, substance abuse, and psychotic disorders. Jenna is passionate about shifting the pulse of mental health care to a holistic model of wellness.  SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

TLDR: Elder wisdom is essential to our revolution. That's it, that's the episode. But my guest deserves the elaboration and accolades of a full summary––as do many of the folks who came before us in work and life. Harry J. Aponte, Ph.D., is a legend for many reasons. However, this OG coalition-builder and advocate for culturally informed care is probably best known in professional psychology circles for developing The Person of the Therapist Training Model, which has become a cornerstone of his professional philosophy. I'm honored to share Harry's fascinating origin story and anecdotes from his amazing career with y'all.  GUEST BIO Harry J. Aponte, Ph.D., was born in the United States to Puerto Rican parents, he earned his Master's in Social Work from Fordham University in 1959. His career took a significant turn when he began working with Sal Minuchin at the Philadelphia Child Guidance Clinic, eventually becoming the Clinic's Director. He has delivered lectures across Europe, South America, Korea, and throughout the United States. Additionally, he is the author of several influential books and is currently in private practice. Early in his career, he developed a keen interest in leveraging therapists' personal life experiences to connect with clients, understand their issues, and apply these insights in therapeutic work. This approach, known as Person of the Therapist Training, has become a cornerstone of his professional philosophy. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

I am the mother of many things: plant babies, doggos, and multiple podcasts. I've also birthed several businesses and quite a few artistic endeavors. But I'm not mama to any little humans. So, when Rachael Sytsma-Ramos, Psy.D, suggested an episode focusing on the dynamics of practice ownership and parenting, I was instantly intrigued.  Rachael is mama to two children under five (!!), the founder of Relational Psychology Group, where she also manages a full caseload of 22-24 clients per week beyond typical ownership duties like marketing, bill paying, and supervising.  GUEST BIO Rachael Sytsma-Ramos (she/her) is a Clinical Psychologist in the Chicagoland area and mom of 2. Her primary clinical specialties are working with queer and transgender/gender-diverse clients, polyamorous/ethical non-monogamy relationships, and neurodivergent clients. Sprinkle in women's issues, intimate partner violence, and sexual abuse survivors and that's her typical clientele. She practices from a feminist-relational lens and is hell-bent on dismantling systems of oppression with her clients. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

It's easy to forget that siblings have stories uniquely their own. They may share similar childhood memories as you, but their narratives will differ wildly. Blended families, like Anne's, hold an added layer of complexity.  How lucky for us that she and her step-sibling Al Cho, MSW, agreed to record this fascinating chat for family posterity. Their conversation highlights the very best of familial support. It also reminds us that even the most connected kin can't completely insulate us from life's challenges or the healing work that's meant for us. GUEST BIO Al Cho (he/they) is an MSW and a co-investigator on LGBTQIA2+ aging and advocacy in Columbus, Ohio. He develops intergenerational LGBTQIA2+ programming focused on arts & resilience and contributes to advocacy efforts on trans aging in long-term care facilities and creating equitable aging environments for African American older adults.  SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Experience matters. Whether you're a member of a group practice or on your own, a background in different levels of mental health care ultimately supports your future professional development.  Aaron Karmin, LCPC, is a 360º type of practitioner who's worked in research departments, as an intake specialist, a telephone counselor, an experiential counselor (think: whitewater rafting for teens), a grad student supervisor, and a solo therapist. Aaron's thoughtful insights are a welcome counterpoint to the frenetic changes taking place in our profession. GUEST BIO Aaron Karmin LCPC, (he/him) is the owner of Karmin Counseling, a Gottman Seven Principles Educator, and holds an advanced certification in stress management. He's also the author of Instant Anger Management and The Anger Management Workbook for Men and has worked at every level of mental healthcare. His approach focuses on identifying physical cues, recognizing thoughts, considering consequences, implementing solutions, choosing behaviors, and promoting expression. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness 

It's ANNE-versary time! A celebration of Anne Remy's first year as co-host. OK, by any other name, it's a clips show. But! We're not subjecting our Wounded Healer audience to rote commentary on an endless scroll of episodes. Instead, we've cherry-picked the very best a-ha! moments from our favorite conversations. As a whole, they represent Anne's personal and professional growth over the past year. FEATURED EPISODES Sarah Buino - Sharing The Vision, Expanding The World With Our New Co-Host Anne Remy Dr. Isha McKenzie-Mavinga - Bringing Compassionate Accountability To White-Dominated Therapy Spaces  Wandile Mthiyane - Anti-Racist Architecture and Inclusive Workplace Culture Dr. Cheddar Gorgeous - A Cultural Icon's Guide to Courageous Connections and the Healing Power of Drag John Gasienica - A Revolutionary Approach to Disrupting Chronic Pain With Pain Reprocessing Therapy SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Virtual meet-cutes are my jam. Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch, PsyD, and I bonded on IG over our shared love for collaborative music-making and the radical regeneration of the group practice blueprint. She's the amazing co-founder of Sana Healing Collective in Chicago, a non-profit committed to individualized, client-led approaches to psychedelic-assisted therapy for everyone, especially those most affected by the war on drugs.  If you're curious about the collective decision-making process, earnings potential, and 501(c)(3) of it all (and, even if you're not), this convo will shift your perspective on what's possible beyond the bounds of our current group practice model. GUEST BIO Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch, PsyD. (she/her/ella) is a licensed psychologist focusing on integrated treatment of co-occurring mental health and substance use disorders. She is an activist working to end the War on Drugs and advocates for science and reality-based drug education and harm reduction approaches for all. She approaches her work from a harm-reductionist and humanistic lens, focusing on the individual needs of the person, group, or community. She received a certificate in psychedelic therapies and research from the California Institute of Integral Studies in 2018. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness    

It's not every day that I get to chat with a pioneer in the trauma field, so gimme a moment to geek out over Janina Fisher, Ph.D. the esteemed psychotherapist, consultant, trainer, and author. She's an international expert on the treatment of trauma, best known for her work on integrating mindfulness-based and somatic interventions into trauma treatment and an absolute legend. Janina dispenses some wisdom during our conversation regarding the ever-evolving study of trauma,TikTok diagnoses, and therapists doing their own work (!). She also spills tea all over capitalism's outsized devotion to evidence-based therapies. I'm here for all of it! GUEST BIO Janina Fisher, Ph.D., is a licensed clinical psychologist and international expert on the treatment of trauma. She's the author of Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors, overcoming Self Alienation, transforming the Living Legacy of Trauma, a workbook for survivors and therapists, and the Living Legacy instructional flip chart. She's best known for her work on integrating mindfulness based and somatic inter interventions into trauma treatment. SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Happy clinicians are vital to a thriving practice, especially since not every therapist is interested in being a sole proprietor. So, how do owners navigate the tricky mechanics of operating a business while providing meaningful group guidance without losing their sh*t? Good question. Enter Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC, of Rowan Tree Counseling, with heartfelt answers for employees and owners. We poke at some tender spots: an owner's right to privacy vs an employee's desire for transparency, individual ambitions vs collective objectives, and the financial realities of operating within a capitalist economy. GUEST BIO Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC (she/they) is a therapist, writer maker, relationship builder, and connector first raised on the East Coast, then watered and grown in the picturesque.Pacific Northwest, and currently settled in the great city of Chicago. Cassandra works hard every day to be the queer feminist, anti-capitalist, social justice warrior of conservative nightmares. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy's one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne's contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here's How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We're currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

Red pill-ers! Trad gender roles! Manly men, rawr! With an introduction like that, you'd be forgiven for thinking that Anne and I had joined the manosphere. No worries there. Instead, Anne has found a male ally who is making modest but meaningful inroads with cishet dudes, specifically the ones prone to tumbling down rabbit holes of toxic masculinity and misogyny. And his tool of choice is peer-reviewed, evidence-based research. Meet Neil Shyminsky. By day, he's an English professor at a community college in Canada. But by night. Professor Neil, as he's known on most socials, is a content creator focusing on social theory and masculinity.  GUEST BIO Neil Shyminsky (he/him) is an English professor at a community college by day, currently teaching courses on Contemporary Literature and Human Sexuality. By night, he's a content creator who talks mostly about social theory and masculinity, specializing in refuting the misogynist arguments coming out of the Manosphere. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy's one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne's contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here's How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We're currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness  

I totally started this podcast on a whim––but not without a keen understanding of the pain points that group practice owners routinely encounter complain about. I've since realized that vital voices are missing from the conversation: group practice employees.  I extended an invitation via the BOPO Chicago Facebook group. Lucky for us, Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC, and Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC, owner and senior therapist, respectively, of Rowan Tree Counseling, answered that call. This convo is juicy, y'all!  We explore themes of responsibility, transparency, and intentionality from both sides of the group practice relationship. Our detour into the thorny subject of hierarchies and the urgency that often accompanies their abolishment is one that I didn't anticipate yet totally appreciate.  GUEST BIO Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor and has been working in the mental health field since 2008. She completed graduate training and received a Masters Degree from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Andie began her career working in residential and community mental health settings, gaining experience working with individuals seeking relief from anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder. She's also worked extensively with clients recovering from traumatic experiences. She specializes in working with individuals seeking a greater sense of balance, who want to live a more values-aligned life, and those struggling with non-monogamous and other alternative relationships. Andie is anti-racist, Queer-allied, sex-positive, polyamory-affirming, and kink-knowledgable. Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Professional Counselor and completed graduate training in Clinical Psychology at Roosevelt University in 2019. She has experience working with teens and adults experiencing severe anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and eating disorders in partial hospitalization, intensive outpatient, and outpatient settings. Nadia has also worked with individuals with autism spectrum disorder and those healing from traumatic experiences. Her approach to therapy is integrative as she pulls from both more directive approaches (CBT, DBT) and client-centered guidance and support to treat anxiety, depression, behavioral issues, trauma, relationship concerns, and self-esteem issues. Nadia is also well-versed in ERP and has found it particularly successful in supporting individuals struggling with OCD. She is a native Russian speaker and can provide therapy in Russian and English. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy's one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne's contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here's How: 1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3. Take a screenshot of your review. 4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We're currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

For the sake of mutual safety, this episode is preceded by a content advisory regarding sexual trauma and minor-attracted persons. Please take care of yourself as you need, even if that means skipping this conversation. Your body belongs to YOU. I open with this power-stance of a statement because I didn't get that message as a child, adolescent, or young adult. In fact, I've only just begun to really grow into that knowledge as I heal from sexual trauma. Here's another a-ha! from this episode: healing takes time.  I'm grateful to folks like Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey for repeatedly reminding me of these essentials. She has been a champion of sizzling sex without shame for 35+ years, and her work destigmatizes fetishes, BDSM, and non-monogamy. Lori Beth's healing journey also provides encouragement for survivors of sexual trauma alongside a healthy dose of reality. GUEST BIO Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey (she/her) is a psychologist, accredited advanced GSRD (gender, sex, relationship diversity) therapist, sex & intimacy coach, author, speaker and tv personality currently starring in Open House: The Great Sex Experiment, CH4 in the UK.  She has been working with people for the past 35 years helping them to create and sustain their ideal relationships containing sizzling sex without shame. She has a weekly podcast, The A to Z Of Sex® since 2016 and is currently touring the UK speaking about kink, fetish, BDsM, and non-monogamy. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy's one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne's contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here's How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We're currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness

Who would have thought that practice ownership involved so much feces?! Now that I have your attention, lemme explain. Actually, I'll let my guest, Bianka Hardin, PsyD, explain since it's her story.  Bianka owns Centered Therapy Chicago (CTC), a 10-year-old group practice with 20 clinicians on staff. Her hilarious (and gross) tale perfectly illustrates the literal and metaphorical sh*t that practicer owners must deal with. Here's the thing, though: while practice owners do have to take care of a lot, they don't have to do it all. Bianka urges practice owners to consider the true value of their talents and weigh that against the cost of having to take on other tasks. GUEST BIO Bianka Hardin, PsyD., (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist and owner of Centered Therapy Chicago, PLLC. She started CTC in 2014 with the mission to help children, adolescents, and adults improve their mental health and quality of life. She has been a trauma therapist for almost 25 years and is actively involved in her continuous learning and growth in this area from a personal and professional lens. She is very interested in cultural, systemic, and intergenerational factors that impact our health and well-being. Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy's one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne's contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting. Here's How: 1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer  2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions. 3.) Take a screenshot of your review. 4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024. 5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024. Groups for Wounded Healers We're currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist SUPPORT THE SHOW Conversations With a Wounded Healer Merch Join our Patreon for gifts & perks Shop our Bookshop.org store and support local booksellers Share a rating & review on Apple Podcasts *** Let's be friends! You can find us in the following places… Sarah's Website: www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/ Instagram: @headheartbiztherapy Anne's Website: www.spareroomwellness.com Instagram: @spareroomwellness